QuoteHow are you building franchises?
The franchises we make still need to be original. "Deadpool" was part of a cinematic universe, but it felt unique. We've got a "Predator" film coming out that is unexpected and utterly fresh. I just imagined that it would take 500 hours to read the script — that it would be interior jungle, exterior more jungle and then fighting happens, but Emma [Watts] went out and recruited Shane Black. From the first page, it didn't read like a "Predator" film. It's set in suburbia. There's a little boy and his dad at the center of the action.
http://variety.com/2017/film/features/stacey-snider-21st-century-fox-first-year-1202563799/
She used the suburbia buzzword!
*fans everywhere triggered, Shane Black triggered*
Hahaha finally the word is out lol.
Antal's inspiration? Predator.
Black's? Close Encounters.
'Nuff said.
Shane is a real filmmaker. Thanks Emma.
Second time we've heard the word "fresh" when describing the script
Quote from: BishopShouldGo on Sep 20, 2017, 07:01:07 PM
Antal's inspiration? Predator.
Black's? Close Encounters.
'Nuff said.
Shane is a real filmmaker. Thanks Emma.
Claws Encounters. :P
Suburbia. Could be interesting? I've been trying to keep in the dark about this as much as possible but I couldn't resist finding out the location. Not so sure about this though. Cautiously optimistic? It could go either way... the next Close Encounters of the Third Kind, the next ET!? Or the next AVP:R?
It's a natural evolution from Predator 2.
Although I would like to see a more exotic location like the jungle in Predator. Not another jungle, though, but some other environment.
It's weird how the jungle in Predator looks more alien than the 'alien planet' jungle in Predators.
Quote from: BishopShouldGo on Sep 20, 2017, 07:01:07 PM
Antal's inspiration? Predator.
Black's? Close Encounters.
'Nuff said.
Nowhere near enough said -- what does Black liking over-rated 70s movies say?
That he's at least looking for inspiration from films outside the franchise.
And how does that make him a 'real filmmaker'?
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Sep 20, 2017, 05:25:10 PM
QuoteHow are you building franchises?
The franchises we make still need to be original. "Deadpool" was part of a cinematic universe, but it felt unique. We've got a "Predator" film coming out that is unexpected and utterly fresh. I just imagined that it would take 500 hours to read the script — that it would be interior jungle, exterior more jungle and then fighting happens, but Emma [Watts] went out and recruited Shane Black. From the first page, it didn't read like a "Predator" film. It's set in suburbia. There's a little boy and his dad at the center of the action.
http://variety.com/2017/film/features/stacey-snider-21st-century-fox-first-year-1202563799/
She used the suburbia buzzword! *fans everywhere triggered, Shane Black triggered*
Sounds like
The Predator will probably just be a mix mash of
Ghostbusters and
Friday the 13thif you ask me. The little boy "at the center" is probly the kid that kills the thing in the end too. The best should we could hope for now is some nudes like in those
Friday the 13th movies just to keep it interesting.
This is starting to sound almost like a PG-13 movie. :laugh:
Quote from: Deadmeat on Sep 21, 2017, 09:14:02 AM
This is starting to sound almost like a PG-13 movie. :laugh:
I wouldn't worry about that. Shane Black's made it pretty clear in the past that it's going to be an R.
"And, just to be clear... PG-13 is for pussies. Spines bleed... a lot."https://twitter.com/BonafideBlack/status/833089045370593281?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
A predator film set in suburbia I think is a great location. We had jungle and city already, so this could be cool. The kid thing doesn't bother me. I don't think a kid is going to hunt the predator. At least I hope not, but we had a kid in Predator 2 briefly. So I think the kid will be a minor character obviously. Probably a marines son or something like that, that will have small parts. :)
The kid is important in the plot, and he's got many scenes in the movie.
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Sep 21, 2017, 01:34:11 PM
The kid is important in the plot, and he have many scenes in the movie.
oh, that's got me wondering now. ??? Maybe the Predator is after the kid for some reason. Idk I guess I'll find out next year though.
Maybe the kid is some sort like Newt? Maybe the pred is searching for him, like the aliens in Aliens. Suburbia looks nice, as although not as mysterious as a forest or as dense as a city but it is still creepy when the predator stalks the people on the suburbs.
Quote from: Ash 937 on Sep 21, 2017, 06:10:02 AM
The little boy "at the center" is probly the kid that kills the thing in the end too. The best should we could hope for now is some nudes like in those Friday the 13th movies just to keep it interesting.
::)
Quote from: bleau on Sep 21, 2017, 11:43:27 AM
The kid thing doesn't bother me. I don't think a kid is going to hunt the predator. At least I hope not, but we had a kid in Predator 2 briefly. So I think the kid will be a minor character obviously. Probably a marines son or something like that, that will have small parts. :)
The kid doesn't bother me either but he is playing a role that's essentially a plot device. Could be in the movie as much as John Connor in T2 or Sean from Ransom.
Quote from: SiL on Sep 21, 2017, 05:56:41 AM
And how does that make him a 'real filmmaker'?
Well the real filmmaker part comes from seeing all his movies and thinking he's a fine storyteller.
Quote from: NeoXenoPred on Sep 21, 2017, 02:29:44 PM
Maybe the kid is some sort like Newt? Maybe the pred is searching for him, like the aliens in Aliens. Suburbia looks nice, as although not as mysterious as a forest or as dense as a city but it is still creepy when the predator stalks the people on the suburbs.
Y'all gonna find out in a year. The kid is a main character in the movie. Get over it, no more ten little Indians with a bunch of dudes and and your complimentary female.
Quote from: BishopShouldGo on Sep 21, 2017, 02:56:03 PM
Y'all gonna find out in a year. The kid is a main character in the movie. Get over it, no more ten little Indians with a bunch of dudes and and your complimentary female.
I hope you're wrong 'cause that sounds total shite to me.
Quote from: XenoHunter99 on Sep 21, 2017, 03:29:26 PM
Quote from: BishopShouldGo on Sep 21, 2017, 02:56:03 PM
Y'all gonna find out in a year. The kid is a main character in the movie. Get over it, no more ten little Indians with a bunch of dudes and and your complimentary female.
I hope you're wrong 'cause that sounds total shite to me.
I can assure you he's right, and i think it's for the better, at least i hope. I trust Shane Black.
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Sep 21, 2017, 03:37:17 PM
I can assure you he's right, and i think it's for the better, i least i hope. I trust Shane Black.
Ok. What makes you think that?
I agree with Bishop and BigDaddyJohn. The franchise needs to expand beyond the ten little Indians format. Also there are plenty of great films with child actors in them - even some of the most popular R rated action films.
Quote from: XenoHunter99 on Sep 21, 2017, 03:29:26 PM
Quote from: BishopShouldGo on Sep 21, 2017, 02:56:03 PM
Y'all gonna find out in a year. The kid is a main character in the movie. Get over it, no more ten little Indians with a bunch of dudes and and your complimentary female.
I hope you're wrong 'cause that sounds total shite to me.
Well that's just close mindedness.
Quote from: XenoHunter99 on Sep 21, 2017, 03:49:20 PM
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Sep 21, 2017, 03:37:17 PM
I can assure you he's right, and i think it's for the better, i least i hope. I trust Shane Black.
Ok. What makes you think that?
I meant that he's right saying that it's not gonna be a ten little indians type of story. And i think it's for the better because, done with enough talent (i believe Shane Black and the people working with him are talented) it could fit well in the predator universe, without repeating the same old song again. And mostly, we could have a very cool movie that we didn't have since long ago, which is gold.
Idk I'm hoping this has the feeling of Predator 2
I kind of agree with the series needing to expand. I just hope it's not so off the walls that it becomes a parody of itself. The script leak descriptions make me nervous, but I'm remaining optimistic as well.
Quote from: newagescamartist on Sep 21, 2017, 11:43:21 PM
I kind of agree with the series needing to expand.
But it doesn't need to expand into Ghostbusters and The Goonies territory. The last thing we need in suburbia is the predator being careful around signs that says "be careful! kid at play." I think this film is gonna be about that and I think the predator will make friends with the little boy like in E.T.
You're so close minded that you think the inclusion of a kid character means all of that shit, which you just concocted in your own head, is going to happen.
Breathtaking.
Quote from: Ash 937 on Sep 22, 2017, 01:40:34 AM
The last thing we need in suburbia is the predator being careful around signs that says "be careful! kid at play." I think this film is gonna be about that...
K, good prediction.
I doubt it, sounds like BS
Quote from: BishopShouldGo on Sep 21, 2017, 02:56:03 PM
Well the real filmmaker part comes from seeing all his movies and thinking he's a fine storyteller.
A filmmaker is someone who makes films. Are you saying Antal never actually made films?
Quote from: SiL on Sep 22, 2017, 06:36:31 AM
Antal never actually made films?
He's never actually made a film that was above average.
It's great. Have fun.
Quote from: BishopShouldGo on Sep 22, 2017, 03:10:44 AM
You're so close minded that you think the inclusion of a kid character means all of that shit, which you just concocted in your own head, is going to happen.
Breathtaking.
I agree with Ash937. Everything I'm hearing suggests craptastic fail of a movie. Burden of proof is on the movie to be better than it sounds so far. Not jazzed by child star or suburbia. Not impressed with studio or actor statements. Not drinking the kool-aid. Also, back off the personal attacks. At this point, we've been served enough shit sandwiches in these franchises that all skepticism is completely justified.
Quote from: XenoHunter99 on Sep 22, 2017, 07:06:19 PM
Quote from: BishopShouldGo on Sep 22, 2017, 03:10:44 AM
You're so close minded that you think the inclusion of a kid character means all of that shit, which you just concocted in your own head, is going to happen.
Breathtaking.
I agree with Ash937. Everything I'm hearing suggests craptastic fail of a movie. Burden of proof is on the movie to be better than it sounds so far. Not jazzed by child star or suburbia. Not impressed with studio or actor statements. Not drinking the kool-aid. Also, back off the personal attacks. At this point, we've been served enough shit sandwiches in these franchises that all skepticism is completely justified.
Maybe, but you can admit that one of the main argument used by skeptics (and they have the right to be), "suburbia is not as interesting as another location", is not fully receivable. A movie does not depend on it's location in order to be good, right ?
Quote from: Ash 937 on Sep 21, 2017, 06:10:02 AM
Sounds like The Predator will probably just be a mix mash of Ghostbusters and Friday the 13thif you ask me. The little boy "at the center" is probly the kid that kills the thing in the end too. The best should we could hope for now is some nudes like in those Friday the 13th movies just to keep it interesting.
Quote from: Ash 937 on Sep 22, 2017, 01:40:34 AM
The last thing we need in suburbia is the predator being careful around signs that says "be careful! kid at play." I think this film is gonna be about that and I think the predator will make friends with the little boy like in E.T.
Quote from: XenoHunter99 on Sep 22, 2017, 07:06:19 PM
I agree with Ash937.
Noted.
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Sep 22, 2017, 08:29:32 PM
Maybe, but you can admit that one of the main argument used by skeptics (and they have the right to be), "suburbia is not as interesting as another location", is not fully receivable.
Location pictures seem good anyways despite what people are imagining when they hear the word suburbia.
Here's cautious optimism, I'm not expecting a mater piece but hopeful its not good awful and at the very least a decent movie going experience. Oh who am I kidding fans are going to be divided and debate its quality regardless.
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Sep 22, 2017, 08:29:32 PM
Quote from: XenoHunter99 on Sep 22, 2017, 07:06:19 PM
Quote from: BishopShouldGo on Sep 22, 2017, 03:10:44 AM
You're so close minded that you think the inclusion of a kid character means all of that shit, which you just concocted in your own head, is going to happen.
Breathtaking.
I agree with Ash937. Everything I'm hearing suggests craptastic fail of a movie. Burden of proof is on the movie to be better than it sounds so far. Not jazzed by child star or suburbia. Not impressed with studio or actor statements. Not drinking the kool-aid. Also, back off the personal attacks. At this point, we've been served enough shit sandwiches in these franchises that all skepticism is completely justified.
Maybe, but you can admit that one of the main argument used by skeptics (and they have the right to be), "suburbia is not as interesting as another location", is not fully receivable. A movie does not depend on it's location in order to be good, right ?
Bingo.
Why couldn't a suburbia setting work...
I think I'm just gonna sit here and trust Shane Black thanks. Guy could make a movie about two guys on a canoe interesting.
So, here's what I see in terms of developing patterns on this movies. The studio exec says "Unexpected and utterly fresh..." Can we trust that? Centering the movie on a father and his kid, putting it in a suburb both meet the criteria, but a lot can go wrong. Will the kid actually be friends with a predator? IDK. Let's be nuanced. I could see where we might have two predators fighting each other in a suburb. It could have a good pred/bad pred vibe, and good pred makes friends with the kid. That's the basis of T2, right?
Without belaboring the point, I think predators belong in dangerous places hunting the best-armed, most dangerous opponents available. On the surface, Suburbia doesn't really cut it. That is all,
Quote from: XenoHunter99 on Sep 23, 2017, 01:57:07 AM
So, here's what I see in terms of developing patterns on this movies. The studio exec says "Unexpected and utterly fresh..." Can we trust that?
Trust it blindly? If you're a fool. Whats so hard about taking it for what it's worth?
QuoteCentering the movie on a father and his kid, putting it in a suburb both meet the criteria, but a lot can go wrong.
That's like saying John Wick centers on a man and his dog, Taken and Commando centered on a man and his daughter, and Inception was about a series of naps.
QuoteWill the kid actually be friends with a predator?
Yes they go to the same school and the Predator helps him win a talent show.
QuoteWithout belaboring the point, I think predators belong in dangerous places hunting the best-armed, most dangerous opponents available. On the surface, Suburbia doesn't really cut it. That is all,
That is not all. Who do you think they are fighting in suburbia and which location set photo is your least favorite?
We'll see in 10 months. ;)
Quote from: Hollywood on Sep 23, 2017, 02:20:38 AM
Who do you think they are fighting in suburbia and which location set photo is your least favorite?
Quote from: XenoHunter99 on Sep 23, 2017, 02:50:53 AM
We'll see in 10 months. ;)
No need, because you can see right now. You don't have to wait 10 months to know (factually) they're fighting dangerous people and not a bunch of mailmen or something.
Nor do you have to wait that long to point out which set photo inspires doubt about location but you're still expressing said doubt and boyishly concluding that nude scenes are all that's left to look forward to. How does that make sense?
Quote from: skhellter on Sep 22, 2017, 01:52:43 PM
He's never actually made a film that was above average.
But he did make films. Ergo, he's a real filmmaker.
Quote from: XenoHunter99 on Sep 23, 2017, 01:57:07 AM
Without belaboring the point, I think predators belong in dangerous places hunting the best-armed, most dangerous opponents available. On the surface, Suburbia doesn't really cut it. That is all,
I agree with you, except there is a reason why predators are coming to suburbia, which makes this situation "abnormal" regarding predators habits that we know, yes. But like i said, i usually agree on the suburbia not being a popular location among predators. But trust me, there is a SOLID reason why they go there...
I hope the movie will be good. I like Predators and I hope they do reference that movie in some way. I still hope something new with the movie and not another rehash.
Quote from: Hellspawn28 on Sep 23, 2017, 05:38:16 PM
I hope the movie will be good. I like Predators and I hope they do reference that movie in some way. I still hope something new with the movie and not another rehash.
Black thinks it took place further future in the timeline so they'll likely be no references.
I just watched close encounters for the first time. I found it baffling. It's not a good movie.
The last place any Predator fan should want to see a Predator is in "suburbia". Nor do I want a little kid in a Predator movie. However "fresh" that might seem to idiot studio execs. Take us to the f**king stars already.
Close Encounters isn't a good film?
Love the internet
With alot of the de-aging Weaver for a sequal to Aliens or whatever, I wonder if Arnold ever considered de-aging himself for say Predator? They already have the model, now they just need to do motion capture!
Infact wouldn't it be cool if he pulls this off
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Quote from: 426Buddy on Sep 28, 2017, 09:44:43 PM
Close Encounters isn't a good film?
Love the internet
Thank you. Reading that, I wasn't sure if I was in a bad dream.
Quote from: acrediblesource on Sep 29, 2017, 12:44:10 AM
With alot of the de-aging Weaver for a sequal to Aliens or whatever, I wonder if Arnold ever considered de-aging himself for say Predator? They already have the model, now they just need to do motion capture!
Infact wouldn't it be cool if he pulls this off
http://www.angelfire.com/mech/jinsaotome/JinsDangerousToys/AvPDutch2.JPG
I don't know if that'd be a little too hammy. Then again, I guess it'd come down to the execution. I actually quite like characters having artificial limbs in some of the more action or horror orientated sci-fi but the arcade Dutch might be a bit over kill. lol
the bro moment would be a lot more hardcore -
a fox CEO... well of course he is gonna say its good XD
SHE didn't even say it was good. She just said unexpected and fresh.
JFC.
Fresh is usually a positive word used to describe something, right?
Not the word I would use considering all the leaks we've read though.
Hmm ... "freshness" for true fans and the usual thing for the current viewer and which sells well.
Anytime was drawn to the jungle due to the guerrilla fighting. City Hunter was drawn by the drug cartels, since it is the violence that draws them for good hunting. If the powers that be choose to bring a Hunter to the suburbs, they hopefully have a believable reason to do so. High tech sport maybe?
There is a good reason.
I'm sure.
Can anyone tell us where to find Carriage Estates, it's somewhere in the suburbs...
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A FOX CEO said this!?!?!?!
No way?!?!?!?
Quote from: AliceApocalypse on Oct 06, 2017, 05:32:44 PM
I'm sure.
Can anyone tell us where to find Carriage Estates, it's somewhere in the suburbs...
http://www.oafe.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2002/12/mcmm5apub01.jpg
"We are here to get rid of evidence due to an Alien breach can you point us to the nearest mountain-setting suburb that happens to have a sporting goods store nearby????"
That sounds like a "fresh" idea....wait......errrrrrrrrrrr....
Quote from: Original Predator on Nov 20, 2017, 10:41:08 PM
A FOX CEO said this!?!?!?!
No way?!?!?!?
Quote from: AliceApocalypse on Oct 06, 2017, 05:32:44 PM
I'm sure.
Can anyone tell us where to find Carriage Estates, it's somewhere in the suburbs...
http://www.oafe.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2002/12/mcmm5apub01.jpg
"We are here to get rid of evidence due to an Alien breach can you point us to the nearest mountain-setting suburb that happens to have a sporting goods store nearby????"
That sounds like a "fresh" idea....wait......errrrrrrrrrrr....
What do you mean.
A really trust Fox execs
Quote from: Original Predator on Nov 20, 2017, 10:41:08 PM
"We are here to get rid of evidence due to an Alien breach can you point us to the nearest mountain-setting suburb that happens to have a sporting goods store nearby????"
That sounds like a "fresh" idea....wait......errrrrrrrrrrr....
What are you even talking about?
Quote from: Hollywood on Nov 21, 2017, 03:17:18 PM
Quote from: Original Predator on Nov 20, 2017, 10:41:08 PM
"We are here to get rid of evidence due to an Alien breach can you point us to the nearest mountain-setting suburb that happens to have a sporting goods store nearby????"
That sounds like a "fresh" idea....wait......errrrrrrrrrrr....
What are you even talking about?
AVPR
What does that have to do with this movie or what the Fox CEO said?
The script for this film does have some AVPR vibes.
Quote from: skhellter on Nov 22, 2017, 04:16:17 AM
The script for this film does have some AVPR vibes.
I think i see what you are referring to, but it's just a little then.
If Fox execs say a Fox film is gonne be good, you can be damn sure it's gonna be good
Well what Fox exec actually says it's "unexpected" and "utterly fresh" and from the rest of her quote, it's pretty obvious that means it's not going to play like the typical Predator film. Which seems to be the case.
I know certain people are determined to hate the film before they see it or not want to even give it a chance but comeon, let's at least put more effort into it.
Through the test screenings there are certain things confirmed not to be in the movie anymore and people still bitch about those things being in the script, even though they don't have any impact at all on this movie. It's like people don't care about the movie, but are just hung up about an old draft they don't seem to get over.
This is getting ridiculous.
I'm lowering my expectations to the lowest possible level...that way I might be pleasantly surprised
I'm looking forward to the movie.
Don't get on board the hate train. Wait until the movie is out.
Chugga chugga chugga choo choo
So it's alright to look foreward to this new thing, despite all signs pointing out to disaster, but saying no to all this stupid ideas (based on evidence damn it) is crime here? Test screenings said that few dumber scenes are out, but we don't know if they are not included in final picture. Hell, meybe they are so cgi heavy there was no point to show them without it. The final judgement will be done after the premiere, but please don't say you know better because you are a fan and want it to be good. We were fooled enough times already.
Quote from: Master on Nov 24, 2017, 06:47:47 AM
So it's alright to look foreward to this new thing, despite all signs pointing out to disaster, but saying no to all this stupid ideas (based on evidence damn it) is crime here? Test screenings said that few dumber scenes are out, but we don't know if they are not included in final picture. Hell, meybe they are so cgi heavy there was no point to show them without it. The final judgement will be done after the premiere, but please don't say you know better because you are a fan and want it to be good.
I'm not saying this, and you that.
There is a difference though in judging and trash-talking a movie a year in advance based on
a version of a script, that is now confirmed to have changed or just being pessimistic about some things you heard in beforehand.
You don't like the story? Fine, no problem, express that and share your thoughts.
Still complaining about stuff in the script
knowing that it's not in the movie at all is not called opinion though, it's called trolling.
In the end of the day, we're not here to read a script, but to go see a movie.
QuoteWe were fooled enough times already.
And there is your problem, the last movies didn't tickle your fancy so every movie will be shit, like ever.
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I wouldn't put it that way. I'm buying final product, when it's on screen we will be sure what changes were made and what scenes are in or not. I explained it widely in my earlier post, different cuts of the film are being made for test screenings and things from the scrpit are still game at this point. If you don't like the fact I'm not thrilled by what we know so far, well thats what Ignore button is for, but please refrain from calling names Johny, I'm no Troll and you know it.
I have confidence in the fact that Fox clearly realizes that some scenes really bother people
Spoiler
(kid flying ship)
and that they won't let them in the final film.
That is definitely encouraging.
Spoiler
I hope they'll throw away all this invasion nonsense. Hybrid preds as small group in conflict with normals is fine, but please, p-l-e-a-s-e no intergalactic war bullshit. I want next one to be Predator film not ID4 bastard child.
Quote from: Master on Nov 24, 2017, 01:35:18 PM
That is definitely encouraging.
Spoiler
I hope they'll throw away all this invasion nonsense. Hybrid preds as small group in conflict with normals is fine, but please, p-l-e-a-s-e no intergalactic war bullshit. I want next one to be Predator film not ID4 bastard child.
On the other hand, the whole plot revolves around this aspect, so i think that will be unchanged, maybe toned down a bit though.
Everyone forgetting this test screening was done so far in advance with plenty of time for things to change