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Posted by The Old One
 - Mar 06, 2020, 04:18:57 PM
Perhaps I just used the incorrect terminology, I'm fine with certain types of retroactive additions, such as Amanda Ripley encountering the Alien, I'm not so fine with certain other notable types of retroactive additions, such as Ellen Ripley encountering the hive in Alien while saying she doesn't recognise it later on one's contradictory and the other's non-contradictory.

As for continuity and canon overall, I simply believe with respect to the individual franchises themselves, what's "canon" to Alien only affects it, what's "canon" to Predator only affects it, yet if under AVP's canon and continuity something comes into conflict with information from one stating one thing and one stating another, I personally believe the newest information takes precedence, as such a rule set's proved reliable before.
Posted by SM
 - Mar 05, 2020, 02:40:13 AM
Quote from: SiL on Mar 05, 2020, 02:16:58 AM
Quote from: Fiendishly Inventive on Mar 04, 2020, 09:26:40 PM
It's addition, just as the idea of Ripley having a kid's one.
Adding to a thing alters it. Ripley having a daughter is also a retcon - it's retroactively adding historical information to her character in Alien. Saying Ripley's daughter went on a great Alien killing scavenger hunt in space is retroactively adding information to Aliens and the series.

Attempting to retcon the movies does result in a lot of garbage - but also some great stuff. Just like adding new things often results in garbage, or great stuff. It's almost like the retcon aspect isn't the fundamental issue.

Precisement.
Posted by Voodoo Magic
 - Mar 05, 2020, 02:19:09 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Mar 05, 2020, 12:24:12 AM
"We take what we want and leave the rest.  Just like your salad bar."

Unless you go strictly films, at this point with the Alien EU you have to.

Take Predator. It was confirmed on screen and by cast members in The Predator that all six films were canon: 4 Predators, 2 AVPs, all canon. Clean and neat.

But on the Alien side, Prometheus retcons out AvP and the Predator creature, only to rope AvP and the Predator creature back into Alien EU canon per the Weyland-Yutani Report via Fire and Stone and subsequent stories. Of course, adding anything Predator related in Alien EU is canon to the first 1987 Predator film, which is subsequently canon to the AvP films, ultimately snapping the AvP films back into the Alien EU canon.

So as you can see...

Posted by SiL
 - Mar 05, 2020, 02:16:58 AM
Quote from: Fiendishly Inventive on Mar 04, 2020, 09:26:40 PM
It's addition, just as the idea of Ripley having a kid's one.
Adding to a thing alters it. Ripley having a daughter is also a retcon - it's retroactively adding historical information to her character in Alien. Saying Ripley's daughter went on a great Alien killing scavenger hunt in space is retroactively adding information to Aliens and the series.

Attempting to retcon the movies does result in a lot of garbage - but also some great stuff. Just like adding new things often results in garbage, or great stuff. It's almost like the retcon aspect isn't the fundamental issue.
Posted by Local Trouble
 - Mar 05, 2020, 12:24:12 AM
"We take what we want and leave the rest.  Just like your salad bar."
Posted by Huggs
 - Mar 05, 2020, 12:16:32 AM
I never saw a problem with mixing and matching whatever you like best, and just enjoying the content.

Nobody goes to hell or jail if you refuse to believe some established or altered timeline in a fictional universe.
Posted by SM
 - Mar 05, 2020, 12:05:52 AM
In a manner of speaking.  'The Company' trying to get their hands on the Aliens, while they already possess the Aliens.

These things depend on how credibly they're told.
Posted by Local Trouble
 - Mar 04, 2020, 11:57:43 PM
Isn't TCF a retcon too?
Posted by The Old One
 - Mar 04, 2020, 09:26:40 PM
It is fine if you feel as such.
But again, it's not alteration of anything in Aliens or AlienĀ³ or indeed Alien.
It's addition, just as the idea of Ripley having a kid's one. 
Posted by SiL
 - Mar 04, 2020, 09:08:37 PM
Quote from: Fiendishly Inventive on Mar 04, 2020, 08:58:07 PMand nothing's retroactively changed. Apart from perhaps the personal message portion of Ellen Ripley's last report. Also of course the Nostromo's recovered crew logs.
I feel like you're arguing in bad faith simply to defend trashing retcons while maintaining your adoration for something that is absolutely a retcon.
Posted by The Old One
 - Mar 04, 2020, 09:04:09 PM
Only not, changed whatsoever.
Because nothing contradicts such ideas in Aliens or AlienĀ³ anyway.
It's addition, not alteration.
Posted by SiL
 - Mar 04, 2020, 09:02:46 PM
So things are changed.

The continuity is changed.

Retroactively.

Like a ... Retcon or something.
Posted by The Old One
 - Mar 04, 2020, 08:58:07 PM
Yes with Amanda Ripley found at the closure, Sevastopol's gone, Alien's gone and nothing's retroactively changed. Apart from perhaps the personal message portion of Ellen Ripley's last report. Also of course the Nostromo's recovered crew logs.
Posted by SiL
 - Mar 04, 2020, 08:47:15 PM
All of that happens during Isolation ??? Aliens spread to Sevastopol and you spend the game trying to defeat the Alien while looking for the flight recorder.

Posted by The Old One
 - Mar 04, 2020, 08:40:37 PM
Yes but none of that occurs during Isolation, the Alien does not spread beyond Sevastopol Station, Amanda Ripley still passes away regardless far as we know. Blackout, Defiance, Resistance and Rescue change that yes- but Blackout's just alright, and half of Defiance's alright. 
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