Recently I had the pleasure of meeting the artist who did the Aliens comic of Fire and Stone, Patric Reynolds, at Salt Lake Comic Con. Although I did take some issue with the static, highly referenced look of the Aliens he did in the comic, he seemed like a very nice guy and is definitely a skilled artist. We were talking about Fire and Stone and I asked if he had been contacted about doing art for a follow up. He said he had not but did tell me that Dark Horse will be announcing a new series, not necessarily a sequel to Fire and Stone, at New York Comic Con next weekend. We'll post any information regarding announcements for it here, assuming his info was accurate. Watch this space.
I've seen the same reported on Weyland-Yutani Bulletin from someone who also came from the SLCC. I'm curious to see what they have in store for us.
Nice! It would be cool if it was a more self-contained story.
From Dark Horse's recently announced NYCC schedule:
http://www.darkhorse.com/Blog/2151/dark-horse-announces-new-york-comic-con-2015-sched (http://www.darkhorse.com/Blog/2151/dark-horse-announces-new-york-comic-con-2015-sched)
QuoteFRIDAY, OCTOBER 9
Title: Dark Horse: CLASSIFIED!
Date: 10/9/2015
Time: 11:00 a.m.–12:00 p.m.
Location: Room 1A21
Description: The can't-miss Dark Horse panel of NYCC 2015! Join Dark Horse creators Brian Wood and Matt Kindt, some surprise guests, and Dark Horse Comics publicist Steve Sunu for the first word on new series and announcements, including creator-driven original series and all-new TOP SECRET projects!
Quote from: Ultramorph on Sep 30, 2015, 11:55:10 AM
Nice! It would be cool if it was a more self-contained story.
I'd like to see more over-arching storylines but without being so jarringly connected as Fire and Stone.
I just hope it's not a comedic or superhero crossover.
Quote from: Ultramorph on Oct 03, 2015, 10:32:46 PM
I just hope it's not a comedic or superhero crossover.
If there is a crossover, I hope it's with IDW to do a TMNT crossover.
Seriously, IDW's TMNT series is just as good as the original Mirage series. And they treat their crossovers as canon.. look at the Ghostbusters/TMNT crossover, that's actually canon.
That could be fun. Isn't there a TMNT villain that's a rip-off of the xenomorph?
I kind of want an X-Files crossover.
Quote from: Ultramorph on Oct 03, 2015, 11:37:47 PM
That could be fun. Isn't there a TMNT villain that's a rip-off of the xenomorph?
Depends on the TMNT Universe you're thinking.. Yes, TMNT has a multiverse and Turtles Forever canonically linked them together. But there are.. two kinds of Xenomorph type enemies in TMNT. In the Wolf-Murakami TMNT Universe, it's the Killer Pizzas. They were definitely based off of the Xenomorph. And of course in the Nickelodeon TMNT Universe, there are the Squirrelnoids.
But if IDW and Dark Horse were to do an AVP/TMNT crossover, I'd prefer a crossover with only the first two Predator films kept into account, and the four Alien films with none of Prometheus considered. Shit, if anything... AVP does fit in the TMNT universe, considering how many alien life forms there are.
I would love to see Mulder and Scully puzzle over how much Prometheus' black goo is like the black oil from X-Files. ;D
I want to go back to the Inominata, and see the final result of Dr. Church's experiments.
I'd like for them to bring back Thing From Another World comics. Matches perfect with the Aliens universe.
Oh, and it's high time we got the Red Aliens back.
How do you know the Red's didn't win on the Homeworld? :P They just haven't been removed from there yet so everyone is still dealing with the old strain.
Besides, I did enjoy the novelization's version of them where they said the change in tone was just so subtle that no-one would be able to notice and not a full on red like in the comics. But it was only done in the comic to make it so obvious.
Dark Horse are doing their new series announcements tomorrow at 11:00am EST.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Oct 08, 2015, 07:19:06 AM
How do you know the Red's didn't win on the Homeworld? :P They just haven't been removed from there yet so everyone is still dealing with the old strain.
Besides, I did enjoy the novelization's version of them where they said the change in tone was just so subtle that no-one would be able to notice and not a full on red like in the comics. But it was only done in the comic to make it so obvious.
I always assumed that once the queen was killed, they basically lost all organization and were picked off by their opponents. Then again, since the Mother Alien was killed soon after, the Blacks fell apart quickly as well.
And I'm not a fan of the subtle shade at all. It makes sense in some way, but it just would look as cool.
I'm cautiously optimistic about what comes next from DH. There've been let downs in the past, but the recent series was pretty good. Fun to read several times anyway...
I wonder if this is strictly Aliens and Prometheus, or if somehow Predator will be announced as well.
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Oct 09, 2015, 05:12:36 AM
I wonder if this is strictly Aliens and Prometheus, or if somehow Predator will be announced as well.
There's no indication it'll be Alien or Prometheus as it stands. Hopefully we'll find out soon enough though!
Quote from: Born Of Cold Light on Oct 09, 2015, 03:37:16 AM
And I'm not a fan of the subtle shade at all. It makes sense in some way, but it just would look as cool.
It makes complete sense for a subtle shade.
But I do agree - I loved seeing the Red strain.
http://graphicpolicy.com/2015/10/08/nycc-2015-moebius-library-arrives-at-dark-horse/
Perhaps this will include his work on Alien.
A new comic called Aliens: Defiance has been announced at the panel: Set between the first two films, it follows an injured Colonial Marine named Zula Hendricks who breaks out of her confines to mount a new attack on the Aliens.
Interview with the writer and artist here: http://www.newsarama.com/26247-classic-aliens-action-survival-horror-promised-in-new-aliens-defiance-ongoing.html
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So they're basically doing Colonial Marines the way it should have been done back in the day. I like that it's set early in the chronology, and that it is more of a stand-alone thing. This is definitely exciting!
Interesting, but I'm hoping they aren't implying Weyland-Yutani are commanding Colonial Marines.
Some of the terminology is also wrong. If Weyland-Yutani owns these 'combat synthetics' (and it seems weird to not have specialised robotic platforms designed for combat, rather than giving a humanoid design the ability to shoot conventional arms), then, by definition, they aren't mercenaries. They're not hired and wouldn't have any interest in money.
Also:
QuoteWhere Aliens kind of made being a soldier in space exciting with all the "Hoo-rah" stuff and pulse rifles, and kind of robbed the creatures of what made them so horrifying in Alien, this goes "No, this is what being a soldier in this world would really be like..." and brings the guns without reducing the creatures to fodder.
Makes me think this guy hasn't watched '
Aliens' in a very long while. :) The whole message of the story was that first contact made them go from bravado to pant-shitting and
hating they had to be in that situation. In fact, it was only Hudson who was being "hoo-ra", as he puts it. The rest were just being, at best, confidently cautious.
Yeah, Vasquez had her one-liner, but it was immediately shot down by Ripley.
Over all, the synopsis is quite interesting (although, I'm wondering why spinal surgery isn't being represented as more advanced). Could do without the Amanda Ripley cameo, but if it's trivial it shouldn't matter much.
Aaaand I may have just discovered a huge spoiler. Don't peek if you want to go in totally blind. Seriously.
Spoiler
I was on Tristan Jones' twitter, and saw this convo:
https://twitter.com/TRexJones/status/652554076312330241 (https://twitter.com/TRexJones/status/652554076312330241)
So the "second part" is set sometime else, and may(?) feature Ripley. Also exciting!
You can also find some good examples of Jones' art on his Tumblr. He has some good Alien stuff on there, none of it seemingly from
Defiance, though.
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Quote from: Xenomorphine on Oct 09, 2015, 08:31:12 PM
Makes me think this guy hasn't watched 'Aliens' in a very long while. :) The whole message of the story was that first contact made them go from bravado to pant-shitting and hating they had to be in that situation. In fact, it was only Hudson who was being "hoo-ra", as he puts it. The rest were just being, at best, confidently cautious.
Yeah, Vasquez had her one-liner, but it was immediately shot down by Ripley.
Over all, the synopsis is quite interesting (although, I'm wondering why spinal surgery isn't being represented as more advanced). Could do without the Amanda Ripley cameo, but if it's trivial it shouldn't matter much.
Not jumping down your throat on this one, but when I said "kinda" it was a generalized comment. There's a reason "ALIENS" was more successful as a toyline than ALIEN and even had a proposed animated series -- you remember more lines from ALIENS because it's written that way -- regardless of Vietnam analogy. The overall tone of the film -- overall being the key word -- is very much a hoo-ra thing, even if the characters weren't overtly so.
As I said, for me, this is ALIENS via ALIEN, though I guess more accurately as someone here put it COLONIAL MARINES via ALIEN. Not that that has anything to do with the story, obviously. Hopefully you'll all remember to pre-order at your comic shops so we can keep this running as long as we can because, man, Brian's got some amazing stuff up his sleeve!
Holy crap, I didn't know Tristan Jones was on Galaxy forums! O_O
Sweet! Just in time for the 30th Anniversary!
Welcome, sir!
Looking forward to this. Though I'll be waiting for the collected edition, because I just prefer things that way. :)
Oh man, this guy's art reminds me of Killian Plunkett's from Labyrinth, & that's a very good thing.
Sounds sweet!
Quote from: 8BA on Oct 09, 2015, 10:29:58 PM
Oh man, this guy's art reminds me of Killian Plunkett's from Labyrinth, & that's a very good thing.
I agree, that one Alien has Labyrinth written all over it. I hope the story has the same decayed feel to it.
Quote from: tyrannosaurusjones on Oct 09, 2015, 09:09:13 PM
Not jumping down your throat on this one, but when I said "kinda" it was a generalized comment. There's a reason "ALIENS" was more successful as a toyline than ALIEN and even had a proposed animated series -- you remember more lines from ALIENS because it's written that way -- regardless of Vietnam analogy. The overall tone of the film -- overall being the key word -- is very much a hoo-ra thing, even if the characters weren't overtly so.
As I said, for me, this is ALIENS via ALIEN, though I guess more accurately as someone here put it COLONIAL MARINES via ALIEN. Not that that has anything to do with the story, obviously. Hopefully you'll all remember to pre-order at your comic shops so we can keep this running as long as we can because, man, Brian's got some amazing stuff up his sleeve!
Good to see you using the forum, Sir. :)
I'd still take issue with the above perspective of the second film, though. To each his own and all that, but as I say, it's only really Hudson who acts in that way. Even the rest of the Sulaco crew seem to get annoyed with his attitude. They're confident of their abilities, sure, but that's because they've clearly earned it: Vasquez and co roll their eyes at Gorman not having the same combat experience as the rest of them. Apone, especially, gets pissed off with Hudson being a loud-mouth and disciplines him a few times.
Once they realise what they're up against (which is relatively early on in the audience's time with them), they shift to a much more realist view of their situation.
It's more the comics and games (especially a certain title made by Gearbox) which amplified the superficial stuff up to max. The original film doesn't really do that (though I'd readily agree, Hudson's dropship monologue is forever cringe-worthy ;)).
I'd argue it's more '
Alien Resurrection' which devolves down the road of unbelievable machismo, if any of them did.
Regardless! I do like the tone which has been described and certainly aim to purchase it, based on that. I do especially like that you guys aren't going down the conspiracy route and are portraying Weyland-Yutani as not properly knowing about what the organism actually is! They've been depicted as too moustache-twirly in recent years.
Quote from: Born Of Cold Light on Oct 10, 2015, 12:02:06 AM
Quote from: 8BA on Oct 09, 2015, 10:29:58 PM
Oh man, this guy's art reminds me of Killian Plunkett's from Labyrinth, & that's a very good thing.
I agree, that one Alien has Labyrinth written all over it. I hope the story has the same decayed feel to it.
Plunkett is my favourite artist that ever graced the business! So I will certainly not object to comparisons! Labyrinth was the first comic I ever put on a standing order for myself, too!
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Oct 10, 2015, 12:13:52 AM
I'd still take issue with the above perspective of the second film, though. To each his own and all that, but as I say, it's only really Hudson who acts in that way....
....It's more the comics and games (especially a certain title made by Gearbox) which amplified the superficial stuff up to max. The original film doesn't really do that (though I'd readily agree, Hudson's dropship monologue is forever cringe-worthy ;)).
I should clarify -- my beef with Aliens is largely that it's simply Alien on a bigger scale and a less menacing creature, but my intent behind the comment targets more what it created out of what it is than what it ACTUALLY is. The stuff that it's remembered for created a whole pantheon of repetitious fiction that borders on awful fan fiction (Colonial Marines game), and that horrendously misinterpreted "bug hunt" line and the misappropriation of the term "xenomorph". THAT's what we're very actively distancing ourselves from. Taking what we liked best about ALIENS and pulling it back into that Ridley Scott sense of storytelling. Though I did say it would be interesting to see what Aliens via Cronenberg might look like, so you may see a bit of that in the future... ;)
Thanks for being so welcoming, too folks! I've been coming here on the reg for news for AGES but am not a big poster. If you're on twitter, be sure to hit me at trexjones, though!
Quote from: tyrannosaurusjones on Oct 10, 2015, 01:47:05 AM
I should clarify -- my beef with Aliens is largely that it's simply Alien on a bigger scale and a less menacing creature, but my intent behind the comment targets more what it created out of what it is than what it ACTUALLY is. The stuff that it's remembered for created a whole pantheon of repetitious fiction that borders on awful fan fiction (Colonial Marines game), and that horrendously misinterpreted "bug hunt" line and the misappropriation of the term "xenomorph". THAT's what we're very actively distancing ourselves from.
I'm excited to hear that. I love
Aliens, but I've felt for a long time that it has had too much of the wrong kind of influence on the EU, so I'm looking forward to seeing what you have in store with
Defiance.
I'm always up for new Alien/Aliens related material, and I like how this sounds like a mixture of the first two films. And I loved Tristan Jones' work on the most recent Silent Hill comic, so I'm sure the art for Defiance will be excellent.I'm not completely sold on giving Amanda Ripley a cameo, given I was one of the people who felt that using her at all for Isolation was a bit of a stretch. As long as she doesn't start cropping up in every other comic/book/etc, I suppose I'll be fine with it. I also haven't finished Isolation yet, so my verdict there is still out.
Oh, and a badass black warrior chick named Zula? Someone on the creative team must be a huge fan of Conan the Destroyer. :laugh:
So cool to have one of the creators of the comic join the convo here with us. Welcome indeed Tristan!
I am curious, will this be a part of the Alien imprint or the Aliens graphic style. It seems lately that we have been going away from the "Aliens" graphic look and more towards the "Alien look". Any indication on that?
...Also, can we consider this somewhat a continuation of the Alien: Isolation game?
Thanks for the clarification. Especially like that you understand 'bug hunt' and 'xenomorph' shouldn't have been interpreted in the way they later have been, too. :)
I'm totally getting the nods to Labyrinth that everybody else is in your art style. Fantastic work! I'm excited for this comic based on what's been stated here.
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Oct 10, 2015, 04:24:05 PM
Thanks for the clarification. Especially like that you understand 'bug hunt' and 'xenomorph' shouldn't have been interpreted in the way they later have been, too. :)
This. Totally agree. It shows a great level of appreciation and understanding of the Aliens universe.
I honestly had no problem with the creatures being referred to as Xenomorphs.. with a capital X. I'm surprised Fox really didn't correct anyone twenty six years ago when they were doing the old EU stuff. Kind of want to ask why now?
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Oct 10, 2015, 05:45:43 PM
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Oct 10, 2015, 04:24:05 PM
Thanks for the clarification. Especially like that you understand 'bug hunt' and 'xenomorph' shouldn't have been interpreted in the way they later have been, too. :)
This. Totally agree. It shows a great level of appreciation and understanding of the Aliens universe.
That's '
Alien universe'. :D
Couldn't resist. :P
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Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Oct 10, 2015, 05:45:43 PM
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Oct 10, 2015, 04:24:05 PM
Thanks for the clarification. Especially like that you understand 'bug hunt' and 'xenomorph' shouldn't have been interpreted in the way they later have been, too. :)
This. Totally agree. It shows a great level of appreciation and understanding of the Aliens universe.
That's 'Alien universe'. :D
Couldn't resist. :P
No, that's ALIENS universe. There's lot's of them. ;)
It's definitely cool to have Jones on here as a member. If you want to see more of his art, including some stuff that's definitely Defiance-related, check out his Instgram.
https://instagram.com/tyrannojones/ (https://instagram.com/tyrannojones/)
QuoteI should clarify -- my beef with Aliens is largely that it's simply Alien on a bigger scale and a less menacing creature, but my intent behind the comment targets more what it created out of what it is than what it ACTUALLY is. The stuff that it's remembered for created a whole pantheon of repetitious fiction that borders on awful fan fiction (Colonial Marines game), and that horrendously misinterpreted "bug hunt" line and the misappropriation of the term "xenomorph". THAT's what we're very actively distancing ourselves from. Taking what we liked best about ALIENS and pulling it back into that Ridley Scott sense of storytelling. Though I did say it would be interesting to see what Aliens via Cronenberg might look like, so you may see a bit of that in the future... ;)
I like you. You get it.
Nice to see you on here, Tristan! I loved the PCOC stuff you did with the IDW Ghostbusters comic, so lovely to see you get a crack at my other favourite property. Such a correct take on Aliens too, the perception of the film is horribly soured by spin offs and fanfic, the Colonial Marines game most of all. It'll be grand to see a more understanding take on that!
(Have you read the Strange Shapes blog at all? It takes a very similar line on misconceptions of the second movie, and is a fascinating read!)
Quote from: King geedorah on Oct 11, 2015, 02:10:50 AM
I like you. You get it.
You have no idea how much I restrain myself when I hear others make those kinds of mistakes.
Quote from: robbritton on Oct 11, 2015, 07:31:22 PM
Nice to see you on here, Tristan! I loved the PCOC stuff you did with the IDW Ghostbusters comic, so lovely to see you get a crack at my other favourite property. Such a correct take on Aliens too, the perception of the film is horribly soured by spin offs and fanfic, the Colonial Marines game most of all. It'll be grand to see a more understanding take on that!
(Have you read the Strange Shapes blog at all? It takes a very similar line on misconceptions of the second movie, and is a fascinating read!)
I remember you! Things've come a long way since those days! Would've loved to have done something on Ghostbusters all to myself storywise, but Dan and Erik seem to have that monopoly.
I LOVE Strange Shapes!
Quote from: 8BA on Oct 09, 2015, 10:29:58 PM
Oh man, this guy's art reminds me of Killian Plunkett's from Labyrinth, & that's a very good thing.
Oh my! I can totally see that too. This really pleases me. Dark Horse have really been upping their game with the artwork on the recent Aliens (vs/Predator & Prometheus) series of late. I'm really excited to see more of the artwork!
Quote from: tyrannosaurusjones on Oct 10, 2015, 01:47:05 AM
Thanks for being so welcoming, too folks! I've been coming here on the reg for news for AGES but am not a big poster. If you're on twitter, be sure to hit me at trexjones, though!
Welcome aboard! I never realized you were here. I've just had a gander back over your posts and noticed the awesome Alien poster you did. I'm really looking forward to seeing more of your work.
Quote from: tyrannosaurusjones on Oct 12, 2015, 12:09:23 AM
Quote from: King geedorah on Oct 11, 2015, 02:10:50 AM
I like you. You get it.
You have no idea how much I restrain myself when I hear others make those kinds of mistakes.
You shouldn't! A lot of the poorer efforts that are released into the EU are because of people completely misinterpreting Aliens. I'm really looking forward to seeing more of what Brian comes up with. I'm not familiar with him and I haven't read the interview yet but if he gets the series like you do I'm quite hopeful.
QuoteWood goes on to say there will be a cameo appearance from Amanda Ripley from Alien Isolation: "Pretty early on... I would say more or less concurrent with the Alien: Isolation story. We even have a cameo with Amanda Ripley at the start of our story. She and Zula are known to each other.
I really hope the Amanda Ripley reference is quite low-key. Another issue I have with Aliens at the minute is the reliance on cameos and Ripley. I just hope this works quite seamlessly because I love the sound of this.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Oct 12, 2015, 08:46:34 AMI really hope the Amanda Ripley reference is quite low-key. Another issue I have with Aliens at the minute is the reliance on cameos and Ripley.
Yeah, this.
The one exception I find personally was
Isolation, because the inclusion of a Ripley in that made sense, worked and was integral to the story. But so many other times they seem to force the name in there just so they can put it in the marketing.
Out of the Shadows would've been so much better if they hadn't shoe-horned Ripley into it because her presence didn't really add anything to the story other than problems.
I completely agree. When I first head of Amanda Ripley being in Isolation I groaned but it ended up working out really well. As it said, it was integral to the actual plot and it worked so very well - especially on an emotional level later on. And I also agree on Out of the Shadows. As much as I actually enjoyed the book and seeing Ripley breakdown - her inclusion was just a distraction and didn't really service the story.
Fox are pushing too many unnecessary elements onto the recent projects. Colonial Marines in River of Pain, for example. They should have just used Colonial Marshalls in that.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Oct 12, 2015, 09:16:50 AMFox are pushing too many unnecessary elements onto the recent projects. Colonial Marines in River of Pain, for example. They should have just used Colonial Marshalls in that.
I would've loved that. Would've been such a good opportunity to expand upon the Marshal Bureau, instead of just retreading the same old ground. Not to mention the presence of Marshals would make a lot more sense, it would be more believable that some corporate scientists could just push them around, and it wouldn't have added a huge plot hole whereby the Marines in
Aliens apparently give no damns about their brothers in arms who were supposed to be there before them.
There's only so many times I can say I agree with you, HuDa. :P
Fox seems to have an interest in creating this connected expanded universe but they're being too close-minded about it at the minute. Like you said, not only would it have made more sense using the Bureau than the Colonial Marines, it would have served to have further expanded the new elements that Isolation introduced and add even more depth to the series.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Oct 12, 2015, 09:35:25 AMThere's only so many times I can say I agree with you, HuDa. :P
;D
Aliens vs. Predator: Requiem is the greatest
Alien movie ever made. That better?
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Thank you. I appreciate that.
Hah! Touché...
On topic, despite not being a comics fan, even I'm intrigued by this. Especially as it's such a lengthy series; I find comics are usually just too rushed for me so a series that's twelve issues in length interests me more than all those that have only been a quarter of that. Might actually pick this up!
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Oct 12, 2015, 09:56:27 AM
Especially as it's such a lengthy series; I find comics are usually just too rushed for me so a series that's twelve issues in length interests me more than all those that have only been a quarter of that. Might actually pick this up!
I completely missed that part! That really interests me too! It's been ages since we've had an Alien series of that length (Fire and Stone doesn't count!). I'm quite excited to see what comes of this!
Just finished reading the interview. I'm feeling really excited for this. The enthusiasm of both Brian and Tristan are very infectious! Both seem to really love the franchise!
Wait, twelve issues?!? I just assumed it was four. Awesome!
Quote from: 8BA on Oct 12, 2015, 03:51:28 PM
Wait, twelve issues?!? I just assumed it was four. Awesome!
12 issues
minimum, could go longer if sales are good.
Yup... the first arc is twelve issues. Providing everyone goes to their comic shops and starts a standing order (assuming they dont already have one) keeping sales up, we could go until one or both of us drop dead...
As for Ripley -- Brian wanted to set it around the time of Isolation... I think originally even make it a post Isolation Amanda story, but things were (and apparently still are) up in their regarding Isolation 2. I'd love to tell stories with Amanda to be honest. I think she's an even more complex character than Ellen Ripley is, but what Brian's seeding with her involvement so far (at least as far as I can recall, the story may change a little as it grows) is more through her past interactions with Zula. There's a sort of crossing of paths here and there.
Quote from: tyrannosaurusjones on Oct 12, 2015, 05:08:54 PMI'd love to tell stories with Amanda to be honest.
I for one would really like to see more of her.
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Oct 10, 2015, 08:44:08 PM
I honestly had no problem with the creatures being referred to as Xenomorphs.. with a capital X. I'm surprised Fox really didn't correct anyone twenty six years ago when they were doing the old EU stuff. Kind of want to ask why now?
Probably because they're just studio executives and wouldn't have known, themselves. :)
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Oct 12, 2015, 05:23:58 PM
Quote from: tyrannosaurusjones on Oct 12, 2015, 05:08:54 PMI'd love to tell stories with Amanda to be honest.
I for one would really like to see more of her.
Amanda Ripley stories do make sense. She has a strong motivation for hunting Aliens. I really disliked Aliens stories that were random and unrelated to the overall main story arc. They never moved the overall story forward.
I liked the self contained stories as they allowed each new set of creators to express a quick, complete vision of how they saw the world of Alien. I was never as interested in the overall story as much as I was a glimpse into the future of humanity when faced with the threat of an ancient cosmic terror.
That said, I would really appreciate it if Dark Horse didn't just toss out all of the old canon they established for the EU. I'd love it if we could catch back up with Dr. Church & see what advancements he's come up with since Labyrinth. Maybe more stories set during Earth's recovery in the aftermath of Vol's. 1-3? It was always interesting to me to read about the average citizen's fear of the Aliens in the wake of near complete extinction.
Even at the level of sophistication our technology had reached in those stories it would still take decades for Earth to recover. What was that like for the survivors on ground level? Or even those refugees immigrating back from space? Many parts of Earth would have been sent back to eras resembling anything from the Stone Age to the 1930's. Once luxurious neighborhoods now the scene of abandoned warzones turned ghettos, where the remaining humans scrounge for food & survival, ever fearful of those vestigial Xenos that could be lying dormant somewhere.
Has Dark Horse completely dropped everything from before or could I still hope for the old series' to be referenced someday?
EDIT - Damn, I just did a little Googling & it seems the old EU has been tossed. I don't suppose it means we'll never see old characters & themes appear in the new canon though, perhaps they'll get the 'Ultimate' treatment.
Quote from: 8BA on Oct 13, 2015, 01:46:38 AM
Has Dark Horse completely dropped everything from before or could I still hope for the old series' to be referenced someday?
According to Mike Richardson in an AMAReddit which I asked him, they more or less did drop everything from before to match current film continuity. This was asked when Fire and Stone was being worked out. Note that he said that they were basically starting over, as Fire and Stone was a hard reboot:
https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/25z06w/iam_mike_richardson_publisher_and_founder_of_dark/chm54bv
Also, the Weyland-Yutani Report more or less has an in-universe timeline which.. omits everything which came before, except Fire and Stone.
Ah yeah, I was just editing my previous post after searching out some info.
I'm assuming the Isolation comic & new novels are also included in the new continuity. Uhm, at least I hope the novels are. Are Dark Horse & Titan even related?
EDIT - Ah, okay. Looks like they are. Whew.
Quote from: 8BA on Oct 13, 2015, 01:46:38 AM
EDIT - Damn, I just did a little Googling & it seems the old EU has been tossed. I don't suppose it means we'll never see old characters & themes appear in the new canon though, perhaps they'll get the 'Ultimate' treatment.
As much as I would love to see the old EU get the "Ultimate" treatment as an AU, I don't think we will be seeing that any time soon. However doesn't mean they can't be seen as such, and with Blomkamp's movie on the way.. depending on if he ignores the last two Alien films, not retconning them to be dreams however, they also could potentially be seen and enjoyed as such.. Still though, would love to see an "Ultimate" treatment done.
It's a treatment I've been contemplating on doing as a fan-work thing. Still.. I like your thinking a bit.
Quote from: 8BA on Oct 13, 2015, 02:46:59 AM
I'm assuming the Isolation comic & new novels are also included in the new continuity. Uhm, at least I hope the novels are. Are Dark Horse & Titan even related?
EDIT - Ah, okay. Looks like they are. Whew.
Wait, I'm a little bit confused... Are you referring to the Isolation comic and novels or Dark Horse and Titan being related? Cause I thought Dark Horse had their own novel publishing subsidiary unless that went defunct.
From my understanding they worked in conjunction with each other during the creation process of the novel trilogy and F&S.
http://www.tor.com/2014/11/21/christopher-golden-christopher-roberson-interview-aliens/
I'm guessing Isolation & the comic are also canon since both Defiance & the novels include Amanda. (I believe I remember Ripley thinking about her in Out Of The Shadows).
Isolation is definitely continuity. I haven't had a chance to read the novels myself yet. That changes once I'm done with art on #1.
You don't need to have read anything going into this book. If you've seen Alien, and MAYBE Prometheus, then you're good. If you've played Isolation, better, but that's kind of the bulk of what we're running with right now. There's definitely ALIENS tech... There's a dropship in the first few pages of #1, and we've got the pulse rifles.
There'll be nods to things here and there that foreshadow things like Alien 3 and Resurrection where I can fit them in without it being shoehorned, but Brian's been really great with scripting and taking my feedback on. Seriously, I've written Brian, Dave and Spencer eye-rollingly long emails about the continuity between the films since Prometheus hit and how that affects things like "crew expendable" orders and Burke's motivations for what he does in Aliens. Also, why the alien itself is valuable to Weyland-Yutani. Also, the differences in morphology (domes vs ridges, etc.).
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Oct 13, 2015, 12:45:49 AMAmanda Ripley stories do make sense. She has a strong motivation for hunting Aliens.
I don't know if I want to see her literally "hunting Aliens"... Why would she? What would going after them achieve? It won't bring her mum back. Plus I like to think she saw the logic in Marlow's "the only way to fight them is to refuse to engage" spiel, even if his methods were... extreme.
Personally, I think it would be really brave to do more of a corporate espionage story with her where she's on the run from W-Y after the events of the game, maybe not even featuring the Aliens at all. The franchise could really benefit from something outside the box.
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Oct 13, 2015, 02:40:47 AMAlso, the Weyland-Yutani Report more or less has an in-universe timeline which.. omits everything which came before, except Fire and Stone.
It omits everything pre-
Out of the Shadows - the recent novels and
Alien: Isolation are all mentioned and/or referenced in the report, so they're clearly canon at the moment too.
Quote from: tyrannosaurusjones on Oct 13, 2015, 04:13:13 AMThere'll be nods to things here and there that foreshadow things like Alien 3 and Resurrection where I can fit them in without it being shoehorned, but Brian's been really great with scripting and taking my feedback on.
That's great to hear!
The Titan books are canon and work alongside the newer Dark Horse titles. Tim Lebbon said Fox considers them canon when we interviewed him. The Weyland-Yutani Report also referenced them alongside F&S and Isolation. And the Chris' commented on talking to each other to ensure they all worked together.
"AvPG – That wasn't the only tie-in with Dark Horse you included. River of Pain also ties in very briefly with their current Fire and Stone story. How much did you collaborate with Chris Roberson and Scott Allie?
CG – Actually, that was a weird one. After I'd already written the novel, we got the heads up about what Dark Horse was doing. My editor at Titan, Steve Saffel, got in touch and asked me to coordinate with Chris Roberson to make sure that the events of the novel did not conflict with the events of the comic, and to establish the characters from the comic in the novel. The way I'd originally written it, nobody else could have escaped. I had to create space for Chris's characters to get off of Acheron. I've known Chris for years, so it was easy to get in touch, bang out a solution, and include it."http://www.avpgalaxy.net/website/interviews/christopher-golden-2/
And....
"AvPG – Your Fire and Blood series overlaps slightly with Christopher Golden's Aliens – River of Pain novel. From our chats with him, we know you two spoke about making sure both your stories worked together and that he had to accommodate your characters escaping LV-426. Did you have to make any changes to accommodate his novel?
CR – Thankfully, no. I was in the very early stages of working on our comic when I found out about Christopher's novel, and so we were able to compare dates and details when I was still in the outlining phase."
http://www.avpgalaxy.net/website/interviews/chris-roberson/
Quote from: 8BA on Oct 13, 2015, 01:46:38 AM
I liked the self contained stories as they allowed each new set of creators to express a quick, complete vision of how they saw the world of Alien. I was never as interested in the overall story as much as I was a glimpse into the future of humanity when faced with the threat of an ancient cosmic terror.
I really love the idea of a big continuity. It makes it feel more real to me. It's part of what I truly loved about the first 4 Alien comic series. They were all related and worked so well together. Of course, there was the gap that was filled in by The Alien and they missed a real treat with that post annihilated earth. They could have done more with it. However, obviously Alien 3 and Resurrection kind of messed those older stories up. I really want the new rebooted EU to work and to fit in well together. It's not so bad so far on that kind of level.
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Quote from: tyrannosaurusjones on Oct 12, 2015, 05:08:54 PMI'd love to tell stories with Amanda to be honest.
I for one would really like to see more of her.
Amanda Ripley stories do make sense. She has a strong motivation for hunting Aliens. I really disliked Aliens stories that were random and unrelated to the overall main story arc. They never moved the overall story forward.
Assuming the Creative Assembly doesn't do an Isolation 2 (criminal, that game was phenomenal) then I would love to see Amanda's storyline tied up in comic or novel or film (animated, CG, whatever).
Tristan, has Isolation had any major influence on Defiance? Visually or narratively?
While I'm curious to see how this comic goes my main interest right now is in Amanda Ripley there are so many unanswered questions that I want answered, who picks her up at the end of Isolation, if Burke was lying about her dying, not having children or even being dead, how she met Mcclaren and what kind of person he was to make her want to marry him, and the aftermath of Sevastapol's destruction was.
I like the idea of moving the franchise away form Ellen Ripley to other characters but since she's as amazing character any female main charcter would be unfairly compared to her and could never live up to that standard in most people's eyes.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Oct 13, 2015, 07:47:23 AM
Tristan, has Isolation had any major influence on Defiance? Visually or narratively?
Oh yeah. Heaps. The great thing about Isolation is that I can walk around the sets of Alien and use it as visual reference for our ones.The same kind of goes for Colonial Marines. The only genuinely good thing about that was how accurate it was in its mise en scène. But I'm first and foremost an Alien fan... I love all the low-fi feel of it. Like a future you could only get from the 70's and early 80's.
Narratively not so much. We acknowledge places like Sevastapol. Seegson are present in dialogue. Nothing really beyond grounding Defiance in a particular place and time.
Quote from: tyrannosaurusjones on Oct 13, 2015, 09:23:41 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Oct 13, 2015, 07:47:23 AM
Tristan, has Isolation had any major influence on Defiance? Visually or narratively?
Oh yeah. Heaps. The great thing about Isolation is that I can walk around the sets of Alien and use it as visual reference for our ones.The same kind of goes for Colonial Marines. The only genuinely good thing about that was how accurate it was in its mise en scène. But I'm first and foremost an Alien fan... I love all the low-fi feel of it. Like a future you could only get from the 70's and early 80's.
I suppose being set concurrent with Isolation would mean it sticks to the same kind of lo-fi aesthetic from Alien and Isolation? Are you going to be using that same mentality CA did with keeping it grounded in the 70s/80s?
I've been looking at it this way -- we still use weapons today that've been commonplace sometimes reaching as far back as the 50's. The designs are all fundamentally the same thing, and we know based on Prometheus that there's a fairly broad spectrum of tech available to different groups in that future, so there will definitely be some places that reek of cutting edge money -- but for the most part, you'll be looking at things that sort of run from the 70's through to the late 80's. Then you'll get other things -- the marines for example -- that I've redressed to look more contemporary, just to kind of make the military feel a bit more "this is actually war". The flip side to that is, I'm already planning on using the heavy armour suits from Alien 3 and Colonial Marines for a particular group. So it'll be a bit of a mix. I f**king love 70's fashion, so I'm planning on basing a lot of the fashion on the fantastic clothing designs that went into Isolation.
Someone brought up the Marshals before -- I'm sure we'll get around to using them, but given there's a very distinct connection to the military right out the gate, it'll be the Colonial Marines for a bit. I know Brian's planned something pretty spectacular that I'm looking forward to drawing that hasn't been seen in the Aliens saga yet... Nor in the comics from memory.
I'm planning on continuing some of the cheeky nods CA put into Isolation regarding a certain universe Ridley had a hand in that is always kind of loosely and lovingly linked to Alien, so keep your eyes peeled...!
Are the cheeky nods to (let's just speculate a film that starts with B and ends with R) this other Ridley creation mandated by Fox or is that your own thing? Also have you been instructed to treat Alien 3 and Resurrection as canon at this time? Will it be the ALIEN or ALIENS imprint?
I'm really excited about this new series! Good luck!
Quote from: tyrannosaurusjones on Oct 13, 2015, 01:08:48 PM
I've been looking at it this way -- we still use weapons today that've been commonplace sometimes reaching as far back as the 50's. The designs are all fundamentally the same thing, and we know based on Prometheus that there's a fairly broad spectrum of tech available to different groups in that future, so there will definitely be some places that reek of cutting edge money -- but for the most part, you'll be looking at things that sort of run from the 70's through to the late 80's.
I'm with you. From what you've said so far, I'm expecting to see a visual style very much grounded in the style of Alien/s with that rusted used look. And that is perfectly fine by me! ;D
QuoteThen you'll get other things -- the marines for example -- that I've redressed to look more contemporary, just to kind of make the military feel a bit more "this is actually war". The flip side to that is, I'm already planning on using the heavy armour suits from Alien 3 and Colonial Marines for a particular group.
As in the dog handlers/mercenaries/whatever else they're called?
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QuoteSomeone brought up the Marshals before -- I'm sure we'll get around to using them, but given there's a very distinct connection to the military right out the gate, it'll be the Colonial Marines for a bit. I know Brian's planned something pretty spectacular that I'm looking forward to drawing that hasn't been seen in the Aliens saga yet... Nor in the comics from memory.
I was just talking in terms of that specific book. One of the books retroactively places a unit of Colonial Marines at Hadley's Hope before the film and it's very jarring because they shouldn't be there. It was explained perfectly well and made sense but it stuck out because the film doesn't allude to them at all. It would have made more sense and have been less intrusive to have the Colonial Marshalls.
That said...I'd love to see them eventually used! If Fox are wanting to go forward with this connected universe it'd be nice to see other elements expanded and used where appropriate.
And I'm intrigued by the last comment! Very intrigued! Any clues? :P
QuoteI'm planning on continuing some of the cheeky nods CA put into Isolation regarding a certain universe Ridley had a hand in that is always kind of loosely and lovingly linked to Alien, so keep your eyes peeled...!
Does it involve unicorns of some form? :P
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Oct 13, 2015, 01:18:11 PM
Also have you been instructed to treat Alien 3 and Resurrection as canon at this time?
I would think that they have to since Blomkamp's movie more or less has just finished it's first draft script, and likely will be going under revisions sometime soon. Unless of course.. much like the Fire and Stone writing team, they've got a peek at Blomkamp's script. Still though, I would think that some elements of Alien 3 might be safe until Blomkamp's movie is finalized and assuming Biehn's comments still hold true.
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Oct 13, 2015, 01:33:17 PM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Oct 13, 2015, 01:18:11 PM
Also have you been instructed to treat Alien 3 and Resurrection as canon at this time?
I would think that they have to since Blomkamp's movie more or less has just finished it's first draft script, and likely will be going under revisions sometime soon. Unless of course.. much like the Fire and Stone writing team, they've got a peek at Blomkamp's script. Still though, I would think that some elements of Alien 3 might be safe until Blomkamp's movie is finalized and assuming Biehn's comments still hold true.
Where did you see they got a look at Alien 3.2?
I wouldn't imagine it'd have much impact on Defiance as this takes place well before Alien 3 and Resurrection.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Oct 13, 2015, 01:34:15 PM
Where did you see they got a look at Alien 3.2?
I think you misunderstood. What I am saying is that, unless they looked at the script for Blomkamp's Alien, like how the Fire and Stone writing team looked at the Prometheus sequel script, that they would have to treat Alien 3 as canon. But I don't think they did look at it seeing as Blomkamp's script was just finished a few days ago, or at least the first draft was.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Oct 13, 2015, 01:34:15 PM
I wouldn't imagine it'd have much impact on Defiance as this takes place well before Alien 3 and Resurrection.
It wouldn't. I'd think anything Pre-Alien 3 would be considered in the safe zone.
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Oct 13, 2015, 01:38:43 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Oct 13, 2015, 01:34:15 PM
Where did you see they got a look at Alien 3.2?
I think you misunderstood. What I am saying is that, unless they looked at the script for Blomkamp's Alien, like how the Fire and Stone writing team looked at the Prometheus sequel script, that they would have to treat Alien 3 as canon. But I don't think they did look at it seeing as Blomkamp's script was just finished a few days ago, or at least the first draft was.
Indeed I did mis-read that. In that case - where did you see they got a look at the Prometheus sequel? I can't remember them ever saying they actually saw the script.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Oct 13, 2015, 01:34:15 PMI wouldn't imagine it'd have much impact on Defiance as this takes place well before Alien 3 and Resurrection.
Plus T-Rex already mentioned there are/will be subtle references to the third and fourth films in the comic.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Oct 13, 2015, 01:41:11 PM
Indeed I did mis-read that. In that case - where did you see they got a look at the Prometheus sequel? I can't remember them ever saying they actually saw the script.
I remember them saying that they looked at the script (or a draft) when they were speaking to Ridley when the Fire and Stone team were working on the project. Of course, I could be remembering wrong. It was somewhere off-handedly mentioned on a comic book news site.
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Oct 13, 2015, 01:46:59 PM
I remember them saying that they looked at the script (or a draft) when they were speaking to Ridley when the Fire and Stone team were working on the project. Of course, I could be remembering wrong. It was somewhere off-handedly mentioned on a comic book news site.
All our interviews with the F&S team talk about them being handed notes by Fox rather than them actually getting to see the script itself.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Oct 13, 2015, 01:50:47 PM
All our interviews with the F&S team talk about them being handed notes by Fox rather than them actually getting to see the script itself.
I think that's what I'm getting confused with one thing or another with.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Oct 13, 2015, 01:45:11 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Oct 13, 2015, 01:34:15 PMI wouldn't imagine it'd have much impact on Defiance as this takes place well before Alien 3 and Resurrection.
Plus T-Rex already mentioned there are/will be subtle references to the third and fourth films in the comic.
Well this is exactly what I'm getting at. For example, mentioning planets like Fiorina-161 in the new comic may or may not be setting Alien 3 up as canon, even though there are some pretty clear intentions as mentioned by Blomkamp to do away with that film. Does it make sense to treat locations like Fury-161 as canon even if Alien 3 is wiped away in the future? It could be an interesting nod to an alternate time line, but boy is it ever walking a fine line.
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Oct 13, 2015, 01:54:14 PM
Well this is exactly what I'm getting at. For example, mentioning planets like Fiorina-161 in the new comic may or may not be setting Alien 3 up as canon, even though there are some pretty clear intentions as mentioned by Blomkamp to do away with that film. Does it make sense to treat locations like Fury-161 as canon even if Alien 3 is wiped away in the future? It could be an interesting nod to an alternate time line, but boy is it ever walking a fine line.
While the storyline of Alien 3 maybe rectified potentially, there is no reason elements from Alien 3 couldn't and wouldn't survive in the new canon material. I imagine the whole taking traits thing, and maybe Fury-161 being off handedly mentioned but the events of Alien 3? Maybe not.
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Oct 13, 2015, 01:54:14 PMWell this is exactly what I'm getting at. For example, mentioning planets like Fiorina-161 in the new comic may or may not be setting Alien 3 up as canon, even though there are some pretty clear intentions as mentioned by Blomkamp to do away with that film. Does it make sense to treat locations like Fury-161 as canon even if Alien 3 is wiped away in the future?
Of course it does. The new novel
Predator: Incursion acts as though the third and fourth films happened (it has to; it's a sequel to
Sea of Sorrows which literally states
Resurrection occurred), so why not the comic too? Clearly the writer has decided that three and four are still valid. Fair play to them, I'm happy to hear it.
At the end of the day, until the new film's actually out there's no point doing anything else because we have almost no hard facts and it could well all change.
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Oct 13, 2015, 01:18:11 PM
Are the cheeky nods to (let's just speculate a film that starts with B and ends with R) this other Ridley creation mandated by Fox or is that your own thing? Also have you been instructed to treat Alien 3 and Resurrection as canon at this time? Will it be the ALIEN or ALIENS imprint?
As far as I know, nothing has been mandated by Fox yet. We get notes, but Josh (our guy there) is great. He wants this to be hard canon, like Isolation. Obviously Ridley and Neil have final say in it all, but so far everything's been fine. The visual cues are all by my hand... ;)
I think the only thing we're genuinely beholden to right now is anything the Alien prequels decide to shift in the mix. And that's purely because we're set around that time frame.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Oct 13, 2015, 03:54:06 PMThe new novel Predator: Incursion acts as though the third and fourth films happened (it has to; it's a sequel to Sea of Sorrows which literally states Resurrection occurred), so why not the comic too?
I think I remember it just states that a ship called the Auriga crashed into the Earth. In the new canon that could easily be dismissed as a freak accident unrelated to the Xenomorphs.
But yeah, no one will know until Blomkamp's movie comes out or we get the official word from Fox, Dark Horse, or Titan. There's a chance that Tim Lebbon will have already established what the Auriga mention in SoS means in Predator: Incursion, given that the new films are already moving forward. I would imagine Fox would pass him notes saying, "Oh hey, downplay any previous references to 3 or 4 before this thing goes to press."
Quote from: 8BA on Oct 13, 2015, 05:18:58 PM
I think I remember it just states that a ship called the Auriga crashed into the Earth. In the new canon that could easily be dismissed as a freak accident unrelated to the Xenomorphs.
This could be true in the sense that the Auriga was infested with genetic mutants and not necessarily true Xenomorphs if you want to look at it like that. But thinking of Resurrection, Perez's line suggesting that the Xenomorphs went extinct suggested that they were gone. I haven't read any of the new canon but how was that handled in regards to Perez's quote?
In SoS I remember it being just an off-hand mention. A memory of the crash in the protagonist Decker's thoughts, which is now looked upon by society as just another historic event. In the story no one but the higher ups at Weyland-Yutani know anything about the Xenomorphs. So, Perez is never mentioned.
The character Decker is a descendant of Ripley, & I believe that is known to a certain WY representative. I'll try to read back over it after work this evening & see if anything else was mentioned in regards to Ripley by that employee. One thing I know for sure is that they are still looking for specimens even during that far future timeframe.
Also, it's worth picking them up if you can. There's evidence of an entirely new advanced alien species introduced & it's actually handled pretty well.
Quote from: 8BA on Oct 13, 2015, 05:18:58 PMI think I remember it just states that a ship called the Auriga crashed into the Earth. In the new canon that could easily be dismissed as a freak accident unrelated to the Xenomorphs.
Bit of a stretch. So we're rewriting the films, but some of the events in them still happened...? Kinda counter-intuitive, convoluted and daft if you ask me.
Better to just stick with what it is until the new film is in production and set in stone.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Oct 13, 2015, 05:51:09 PM
Quote from: 8BA on Oct 13, 2015, 05:18:58 PMI think I remember it just states that a ship called the Auriga crashed into the Earth. In the new canon that could easily be dismissed as a freak accident unrelated to the Xenomorphs.
Bit of a stretch. So we're rewriting the films, but some of the events in them still happened...? Kinda counter-intuitive, convoluted and daft if you ask me.
Better to just stick with what it is until the new film is in production and set in stone.
Yah, I have to agree with that. Crashing another Auriga into the earth is about as lame as renaming Hicks and Newt as Wilks and Billie, or having multiple juggernauts crash-landing all over the place...
Well, SoS was written before Blomkamp's ideas ever came to light. It's likely that if A5 retcons those two pictures Fox & Titan will simply omit the mention in future reprints. Otherwise, the simplest & most logical explanation is 'freak accident'. You'll have to make sense of it somehow.
Quote from: 8BA on Oct 13, 2015, 06:47:43 PMWell, SoS was written before Blomkamp's ideas ever came to light.
As was the new book.
That said, apparently the announcement did lead to some changes in Incursion though. We don't know what. I should be getting my copy within the next few days so we'll have to see if anything obvious jumps out.
I think the comment about Aliens making the Aliens less scary is a fair one. The movie itself doesn't do this, but like what was said, this was what was drawn out from the movie in later media. A small complaint that I've had about Alien EU material is that it sometimes puts across the idea that one Alien is an unstoppable force of nature no matter what, while many are no problem as long as you have some kind of firearm. That goes into another complaint of mine; it has often been shown, with a few exceptions, that as long as you have a gun with sufficient ammunition, you can take down an entire hive. AVP: Xenogenesis was one of the worst offenders, with two skinny hackers taking down hundreds of Aliens with an UZI and a 9mm, all the while tripping over stuff and arguing with each other. It reminded me of those old Jackie Chan films where he's screwing up in the middle of fights while still beating up the bad guys; all of the horror of the Aliens was gone. This kind of logic is acceptable for a video game, but should not be used in an official narrative story.
In actuality, taking on a horde of Aliens should be incredibly difficult, even with a company of the best-trained, best-equipped soldiers. One slight screw-up and you're dead, unlike Aliens Xenogenesis where it often seemed like the Marines were dancing through the hive. It seems to be like this new comic is looking to finally get things right; having a pulse rifle does not inherently make one any safer.
Quote from: Born Of Cold Light on Oct 14, 2015, 04:53:52 PM
I think the comment about Aliens making the Aliens less scary is a fair one. The movie itself doesn't do this, but like what was said, this was what was drawn out from the movie in later media. A small complaint that I've had about Alien EU material is that it sometimes puts across the idea that one Alien is an unstoppable force of nature no matter what, while many are no problem as long as you have some kind of firearm. That goes into another complaint of mine; it has often been shown, with a few exceptions, that as long as you have a gun with sufficient ammunition, you can take down an entire hive. AVP: Xenogenesis was one of the worst offenders, with two skinny hackers taking down hundreds of Aliens with an UZI and a 9mm, all the while tripping over stuff and arguing with each other. It reminded me of those old Jackie Chan films where he's screwing up in the middle of fights while still beating up the bad guys; all of the horror of the Aliens was gone. This kind of logic is acceptable for a video game, but should not be used in an official narrative story.
In actuality, taking on a horde of Aliens should be incredibly difficult, even with a company of the best-trained, best-equipped soldiers. One slight screw-up and you're dead, unlike Aliens Xenogenesis where it often seemed like the Marines were dancing through the hive. It seems to be like this new comic is looking to finally get things right; having a pulse rifle does not inherently make one any safer.
This.
I watched Aliens when I was 10. It was my first introduction to the Aliens universe. Hence why I refer to it as the Aliens universe. It scared the crap out of me, and a lot of people. The first EU comics also had a delicious element of horror and dread, but it definitely got lost. The creatures somehow became fodder and inelegant. They need to come across as much more dangerous and cunning. Their intelligence needs to come across more. Not like that, "I'm a scientist" kind of intelligence, but more like "I am the ultimate predator" kind of intelligence.
I absolutely hate Xenogenesis. It's probably my least favorite Aliens thing ever. It's just the absolute worst, rock bottom moment of the franchise.
Honorable mention to Alien vs Predator vs Terminator vs Robocop vs Buffy vs The Volcano: Butt Hunter
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Oct 14, 2015, 07:08:56 PMI watched Aliens when I was 10. It was my first introduction to the Aliens universe. Hence why I refer to it as the Aliens universe.
The first film I saw was
Alien 3, does that make it the
Alien 3 franchise? ::)
Come on now fellas, let's all be gents about this.
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Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Oct 14, 2015, 07:08:56 PMI watched Aliens when I was 10. It was my first introduction to the Aliens universe. Hence why I refer to it as the Aliens universe.
The first film I saw was Alien 3, does that make it the Alien 3 franchise? ::)
With all due respect, Alien 3 references a specific number in a sequence of films, while Aliens is a generally plural number, hence it makes sense that it defines the Aliens universe in general. However, naturally, you're welcome to refer to it as the Alien 3 franchise if that fits better with your own headcanon, as much as its ok for other people to refer to it as the Alien franchise.
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QuoteIt's the little things...
Hah! Nice touch!
Lol! Touché. ;)
I disliked Xenogenesis...but mainly because of the art. The predator reminds me of a teenage mutant ninja turtle...and the aliens have really exaggerated ostrich legs
I have a question you guys!
Tranquility base... you guys have any idea what it looks like? I have a vague one in mind, but I figured I'd hit you guys for a "looks a bit like" or "is about the size of". HIT ME!
I can't recall it coming up in any of the comics or books I've read but personally I'd like to see it as some self-contained but pre-fabricated sort of appearance as Hadley's Hope. Or maybe a lattice-work style appearance of Gateway.
Something pre-fab would make sense.
Come to think of it, does the EU ever mention whether the moon is actually terraformed, or just colonised with pressurised structures? If it's the latter, pre-fab is kinda the only thing you could do. But if there's an atmosphere you could do a little more construction in situ.
Or perhaps a dome-like structures which internally replicate an eco-system or sprawling metropolis area. I imagine being closer to Earth will mean more developed.
Prometheus shows dome-like structures on Mars during the Weyland hologram, so it'd be a nice link to do something similar.
I think the above mentioned solutions are really great. I think a mix of the Hadley's hope and dome structure as seen in Prometheus would be ideal. It would definitely be cool to see a personalized touch such as a bar or pub logo or something along those lines as long as it works with the story.
If I could suggest anything, it would be to really work out what the layout is in terms of logic and function and once that is nailed down to stick to it in the actual story. The example of what I am referring to is the first Aliens vs. Predator series. Phil Norwood actually created a map of the colony which was then referenced in the comic book. You could literally look at the panels in the comic and then find that place on the map. That approach really showed the care with which that colony was put together, and the artist's commitment to detail. It would be awesome if we could also get a map of Tranquility Base and have it consistently be adhered to in the story.
Perhaps these concepts from Prometheus will be of use?
Heavy picture post contained within spoilers.
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We've got concepts of the orbital stations from the various drafts in the gallery too - http://www.avpgalaxy.net/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=300&page=1
Good call on those pics (I think tht's supposed to be Mars right?) Corporal Hicks.
Anybody have that map of the Ryushi colony from Aliens Vs. Predator #1 (The original series)? I can't find it online..
Thanks guys! I was leaning pretty heavily towards the Prometheus domes on Mars, but also considered blending in some Hadley's type structures, and given the Nostromo's refinery structure's similarity to Sevastopol, and how commonly such structures in the real world share structural similarities, similar towers might be in place. Also, given it's probably something of a hub, there'd be landing ports/docks, so I'm sort of thinking I might run with a bit of a mash. Don't be surprised if it looks a little Neo-Tokyo meets Silent Running.
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This is the map that I was talking about. And I'm not suggesting the layout or design of the colony, but the very idea that the artist provided the map as a reference for the story is incredibly cool.
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Quote from: tyrannosaurusjones on Oct 19, 2015, 05:40:38 PMThanks guys! I was leaning pretty heavily towards the Prometheus domes on Mars, but also considered blending in some Hadley's type structures, and given the Nostromo's refinery structure's similarity to Sevastopol, and how commonly such structures in the real world share structural similarities, similar towers might be in place. Also, given it's probably something of a hub, there'd be landing ports/docks, so I'm sort of thinking I might run with a bit of a mash. Don't be surprised if it looks a little Neo-Tokyo meets Silent Running.
Sounds good.
Don't forget to slip in that Weyland-Yutani headquarters in the Sea of Tranquillity!
I like the idea of the story taking place on the Moon, as it often gets ignored by many sci-fi writers for not being exotic enough, despite the fact that it is a pretty creepy, ghostly place.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Oct 19, 2015, 07:25:57 PM
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That is so cool. I'll be honest; I almost want this series to be in black and white like the original Aliens series, as color might remove some of the details and the overall cadaver feel to the series.
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I'm really digging this black and white. I have to admit I'd be happy to see it without colours too.
I find it a bit confusing in black and white, personally. Needs some colour to help everything stand out.
Do we know who is doing the colours?
If it isn't Tristan himself, then the press release didn't say.
Dan Jackson. He's done a HEAP of things at Dark Horse in the past.
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Another tease from Tristan's Facebook.
Funny how long-lasting the Colt 1911 has proven to be ;)
These pistols are resilient! :P I hope we see some VP70s in there.
I wanted to put the VP70 into THIS sequence, but there's no way that suit's gloves would let her fire that thing... the colt's a little less of a stretch ;) I ALMOST used the revolver from Isolation, but it didn't sit right with me as a military issue weapon. I know the Russians carry triple barrelled pistols into space missions (for some reason!), but the design of the revolver, while great, just felt unwieldy for this sequence.
But, those colt and VP70 designs are timeless... and hey... we're still using AK's these days (don't worry, haven't drawn them into this). I'm using as many "in-universe" weapons as I can dig up. One of my favourite things I've drawn so far involves a shotgun... ;)
Oh! Shotguns! I have something I'd like to suggest - just let me go find it.
Quote from: tyrannosaurusjones on Nov 03, 2015, 10:46:45 AMBut, those colt and VP70 designs are timeless... and hey... we're still using AK's these days (don't worry, haven't drawn them into this).
:) I wasn't criticising, it just amuses me how these by-then archaic designs keep cropping up in future settings.
I guess one thing the VP70 has going for it is that it has a pretty futuristic look even now. Plus it's a fairly obscure weapon, which helps hide the fact its 45 years old, whereas the old 1911 is iconic to the point of almost being cliché.
Quote from: tyrannosaurusjones on Nov 03, 2015, 10:46:45 AMI'm using as many "in-universe" weapons as I can dig up. One of my favourite things I've drawn so far involves a shotgun... ;)
Oooh, I hope you sneaked the
Isolation shotgun in there somewhere, that was a really nice piece of design from Creative Assembly.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Nov 03, 2015, 10:56:42 AM
Oh! Shotguns! I have something I'd like to suggest - just let me go find it.
Ok, I'm sure there was a better piece than the one below but I can only find this one -
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It's a piece of concept art for Aliens vs. Predator (the game) of a Pulse Rifle-ish style shotgun that I really loved the idea of. I'm sure there's a more refined version of it but I can't for the life of me remember where I saw it.
QuoteI wanted to put the VP70 into THIS sequence, but there's no way that suit's gloves would let her fire that thing... the colt's a little less of a stretch ;) I ALMOST used the revolver from Isolation, but it didn't sit right with me as a military issue weapon. I know the Russians carry triple barrelled pistols into space missions (for some reason!), but the design of the revolver, while great, just felt unwieldy for this sequence.
That's understandable! Has the VP70 cropped up elsewhere then?
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Nov 03, 2015, 11:02:11 AM
:) I wasn't criticising, it just amuses me how these by-then archaic designs keep cropping up in future settings.
I guess one thing the VP70 has going for it is that it has a pretty futuristic look even now. Plus it's a fairly obscure weapon, which helps hide the fact its 45 years old, whereas the old 1911 is iconic to the point of almost being cliché.)
Haha! Nah, I knew, I was just saying how weird it is that military tech and design rarely changes. Also, it lets me sleep easier about putting a dropship in the book using the film look (though the interior is different, and has a side dock like a plane).
This is true though! I actually didn't know the VP70 was a real gun until very recently!
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Nov 03, 2015, 11:02:11 AMOooh, I hope you sneaked the Isolation shotgun in there somewhere, that was a really nice piece of design from Creative Assembly.
Yep! Alistair and the guys at Creative Assembly have been tremendous help!
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Nov 03, 2015, 11:05:21 AM
Ok, I'm sure there was a better piece than the one below but I can only find this one -
It's a piece of concept art for Aliens vs. Predator (the game) of a Pulse Rifle-ish style shotgun that I really loved the idea of. I'm sure there's a more refined version of it but I can't for the life of me remember where I saw it.
That's understandable! Has the VP70 cropped up elsewhere then?
Ooo! I like that...! Maybe further down the road... I've given the squad in this book tactical shotguns as it stands, but I do really like that... I'm also looking into some of the smaller firearms from Colonial Marines...
As for the second bit, yep... ;)
Quote from: tyrannosaurusjones on Nov 03, 2015, 12:17:22 PM
Ooo! I like that...! Maybe further down the road... I've given the squad in this book tactical shotguns as it stands, but I do really like that... I'm also looking into some of the smaller firearms from Colonial Marines...
I think there might have been some similar concepts in the Isolation Art Of book. I'll have a gander when I get home this evening (I did have a quick look on Google but couldn't see any) and see if I can find any that might be of interest! Glad you like that though!
I rather liked the SMG myself. As terrible as the game was some of the designs were really nice and fitting, I thought.
QuoteAs for the second bit, yep... ;)
This pleases me. Immensely. ;D
Quote from: tyrannosaurusjones on Nov 03, 2015, 12:17:22 PMYep! Alistair and the guys at Creative Assembly have been tremendous help!
That's great to hear. I really loved what they did with that game, it was superbly designed from a visual standpoint, so it's nice to know they're willing to help you continue their style in your own work.
If it's confirmed that Alien Isolation isn't getting a video game sequel, what are the odds we get a sequel in comic book format to help tie up the cliffhanger ending of the game?
I really hope that ends up being the case if it does get cancelled. A comic or novel sequel would be fantastic.
I'd love it if they did a follow-on novel.
I'd prefer a game, but I grew to like the characters so if not that I'd like to see at least something done with them.
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Another lovely piece from Tristans's Facebook.
Noice. I like that a lot.
Another (I assume, given it looks like the back end of a Conestoga-class) piece -
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OK, time to show what a useless n00b I am...
How do you actually go about getting a comic in this day and age? :P Like, can you get a comic shop to order it on for you?
Yeah. Just pop into your local and ask him if you could get the comic ordered.
Can not wait for this series to start. Would love to see some finished art for it.
Quote from: Russ840 on Nov 17, 2015, 12:19:48 PM
Can not wait for this series to start. Would love to see some finished art for it.
I'd love to see it released in black and white to be perfectly honest.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Nov 17, 2015, 12:21:31 PM
Quote from: Russ840 on Nov 17, 2015, 12:19:48 PM
Can not wait for this series to start. Would love to see some finished art for it.
I'd love to see it released in black and white to be perfectly honest.
I would not say no to that. I love the style from what we have seen.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Nov 17, 2015, 12:21:31 PM
Quote from: Russ840 on Nov 17, 2015, 12:19:48 PM
Can not wait for this series to start. Would love to see some finished art for it.
I'd love to see it released in black and white to be perfectly honest.
As would I. I think color can distract in a bad way when it isn't done with class. Something special about black and white things too.
Does anyone else think that Tristen is using the Alien Isolation xenomorph design for this series? Judging by the picture further up, I would say so.
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Latest tease from Tristan.
Quote from: Russ840 on Nov 22, 2015, 10:08:52 AMDoes anyone else think that Tristen is using the Alien Isolation xenomorph design for this series? Judging by the picture further up, I would say so.
He's already said he's been influenced by the game, so it certainly wouldn't surprised me.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Nov 23, 2015, 08:55:54 AM
Quote from: Russ840 on Nov 22, 2015, 10:08:52 AMDoes anyone else think that Tristen is using the Alien Isolation xenomorph design for this series? Judging by the picture further up, I would say so.
He's already said he's been influenced by the game, so it certainly wouldn't surprised me.
Which suits me fine. I loved Stompy's design.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Nov 23, 2015, 09:10:47 AM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Nov 23, 2015, 08:55:54 AM
Quote from: Russ840 on Nov 22, 2015, 10:08:52 AMDoes anyone else think that Tristen is using the Alien Isolation xenomorph design for this series? Judging by the picture further up, I would say so.
He's already said he's been influenced by the game, so it certainly wouldn't surprised me.
Which suits me fine. I loved Stompy's design.
Agreed. I would go as far to say, for me, it is the best 'Alien' design. It take the original and improves it without compromising Giger's vision.
I think I might agree with that too. The legs on the original always bothered me, they gave it away as what it was - a dude in a suit. The inhuman double-jointed design looks much better and much creepier.
I don't mind the double jointed Alien from Isolation. I'm finally on the last chapter of that game. What a ride!
Stompy? Lol. Is this name catching on like "Kane's son"? That's pretty funny.
I stole it from Sizzy and it's the name I will use for him. xD
Yeah, I'm using the Isolation creature, but it's definitely not the only one. I'm double-jointing the heels on the ridged ones as well. I think Isolation was a pretty much perfect distillation of the original. I'm pretty sure that if it were made today, it'd have the double-jointed heel just like the one in Isolation. It allows for more perverse movement. You'll probably see the security space suits being used at some point too -- just because I love those designs and those helmets (the ones you see in the opening to Alien).
Here's some fun for you all...
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Looks like Johner from Resurrection! :)
I was too busy running and screaming like a bitch in Isolation to ever really notice its feet in the game. :laugh:
Quote from: tyrannosaurusjones on Nov 23, 2015, 06:40:44 PM
Yeah, I'm using the Isolation creature, but it's definitely not the only one. I'm double-jointing the heels on the ridged ones as well. I think Isolation was a pretty much perfect distillation of the original. I'm pretty sure that if it were made today, it'd have the double-jointed heel just like the one in Isolation. It allows for more perverse movement. You'll probably see the security space suits being used at some point too -- just because I love those designs and those helmets (the ones you see in the opening to Alien).
Here's some fun for you all...
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Dude, I am totally loving your work so far. So excited for this run to start. So you are 'Isolationing' the xenomorph from 'Aliens' ? Nice.
Perhaps you can come up with a logical reason for the difference in the heads. I'm sure I read some where that Cameron alluded to the Aliens age being the reason for the ridges. Kind of like molting.
Correct me if I am wrong but is this the first time, outside of video games, that we are getting both head types for the creatures in one story/feature/comic ?
It is! And I've been a bit greedy in doing that, because I wanted to make the distinction clearer. ;)
My thinking was -- and I kinda drew this in on my own and got it cleared with the guys after (including Fox) -- that the ridged ones don't have fully functioning "brains". Whatever organ they have in there is reliant on a smarter creature (like a queen) and has a hive mind thing going on. An alien born into isolation that isn't immediately a queen needs to be able to think for itself -- like the Big Chap -- so the "brain" is bigger, more functional. These ones are capable of egg-morphing to propagate their species -- again in lieu of a queen -- but are also capable of "commanding" the ridged ones the same way a queen can. Without something smart around, they're erratic.
BUT, just because smart ones evolve in isolation, that doesn't mean (in my mind) that that's the ONLY way they come about, and that's why you see multiples in Isolation. It could even be particular breeding stock -- particular eggs or DNA triggers -- pushed by the Engineers (assuming they created these things or had some hand in their development).
Bottom line, I've basically reversed the usual train of thought -- the "warriors" as they've been known for such a long time are the "drones". They're mindless killing machines, but the "Big Chaps"/"Beasts" are the calculating ones.
I don't want to say too much more, because there'll be talk in the comics, but that's the basic gist of it all. I do love the design of the "spitter" aliens from Colonial Marines, so there's a SLIM chance I might get a refined version of that in there somehow, and I'm sorta kinda really hoping I can get a quadrupedal alien in there too...
Quote from: tyrannosaurusjones on Nov 23, 2015, 10:49:43 PM
It is! And I've been a bit greedy in doing that, because I wanted to make the distinction clearer. ;)
My thinking was -- and I kinda drew this in on my own and got it cleared with the guys after (including Fox) -- that the ridged ones don't have fully functioning "brains". Whatever organ they have in there is reliant on a smarter creature (like a queen) and has a hive mind thing going on. An alien born into isolation that isn't immediately a queen needs to be able to think for itself -- like the Big Chap -- so the "brain" is bigger, more functional. These ones are capable of egg-morphing to propagate their species -- again in lieu of a queen -- but are also capable of "commanding" the ridged ones the same way a queen can. Without something smart around, they're erratic.
BUT, just because smart ones evolve in isolation, that doesn't mean (in my mind) that that's the ONLY way they come about, and that's why you see multiples in Isolation. It could even be particular breeding stock -- particular eggs or DNA triggers -- pushed by the Engineers (assuming they created these things or had some hand in their development).
Bottom line, I've basically reversed the usual train of thought -- the "warriors" as they've been known for such a long time are the "drones". They're mindless killing machines, but the "Big Chaps"/"Beasts" are the calculating ones.
I don't want to say too much more, because there'll be talk in the comics, but that's the basic gist of it all. I do love the design of the "spitter" aliens from Colonial Marines, so there's a SLIM chance I might get a refined version of that in there somehow, and I'm sorta kinda really hoping I can get a quadrupedal alien in there too...
Man, I like the way you think. Can't wait to get this.
Quote from: tyrannosaurusjones on Nov 23, 2015, 10:49:43 PM
It is! And I've been a bit greedy in doing that, because I wanted to make the distinction clearer. ;)
My thinking was -- and I kinda drew this in on my own and got it cleared with the guys after (including Fox) -- that the ridged ones don't have fully functioning "brains". Whatever organ they have in there is reliant on a smarter creature (like a queen) and has a hive mind thing going on. An alien born into isolation that isn't immediately a queen needs to be able to think for itself -- like the Big Chap -- so the "brain" is bigger, more functional. These ones are capable of egg-morphing to propagate their species -- again in lieu of a queen -- but are also capable of "commanding" the ridged ones the same way a queen can. Without something smart around, they're erratic.
BUT, just because smart ones evolve in isolation, that doesn't mean (in my mind) that that's the ONLY way they come about, and that's why you see multiples in Isolation. It could even be particular breeding stock -- particular eggs or DNA triggers -- pushed by the Engineers (assuming they created these things or had some hand in their development).
Bottom line, I've basically reversed the usual train of thought -- the "warriors" as they've been known for such a long time are the "drones". They're mindless killing machines, but the "Big Chaps"/"Beasts" are the calculating ones.
I don't want to say too much more, because there'll be talk in the comics, but that's the basic gist of it all. I do love the design of the "spitter" aliens from Colonial Marines, so there's a SLIM chance I might get a refined version of that in there somehow, and I'm sorta kinda really hoping I can get a quadrupedal alien in there too...
I think this quote should basically be front-page news. I've never quite heard it explained like this and it is a pretty cool idea. It rather explains the different movements of the ridged and domed Aliens in the films. The Alien in Alien seemed to move more methodically and silently stalked its prey while the Aliens in Aliens were basically berserkers that went full tilt.
Quadrupedal Aliens would be cool too as long as they don't go into Bull-Alien territory. Some of that Colonial Marines stuff was a bit over the top. But the Alien from Alien 3 which was quadrupedal at first was really cool. That was a design worth keeping even though I am on the side of the fence that hopes that film will be retconned.
Not sure how Johner fits into the story... ;)
Quote from: tyrannosaurusjones on Nov 23, 2015, 10:49:43 PM
It is! And I've been a bit greedy in doing that, because I wanted to make the distinction clearer. ;)
My thinking was -- and I kinda drew this in on my own and got it cleared with the guys after (including Fox) -- that the ridged ones don't have fully functioning "brains". Whatever organ they have in there is reliant on a smarter creature (like a queen) and has a hive mind thing going on. An alien born into isolation that isn't immediately a queen needs to be able to think for itself -- like the Big Chap -- so the "brain" is bigger, more functional. These ones are capable of egg-morphing to propagate their species -- again in lieu of a queen -- but are also capable of "commanding" the ridged ones the same way a queen can. Without something smart around, they're erratic.
BUT, just because smart ones evolve in isolation, that doesn't mean (in my mind) that that's the ONLY way they come about, and that's why you see multiples in Isolation. It could even be particular breeding stock -- particular eggs or DNA triggers -- pushed by the Engineers (assuming they created these things or had some hand in their development).
Bottom line, I've basically reversed the usual train of thought -- the "warriors" as they've been known for such a long time are the "drones". They're mindless killing machines, but the "Big Chaps"/"Beasts" are the calculating ones.
I don't want to say too much more, because there'll be talk in the comics, but that's the basic gist of it all. I do love the design of the "spitter" aliens from Colonial Marines, so there's a SLIM chance I might get a refined version of that in there somehow, and I'm sorta kinda really hoping I can get a quadrupedal alien in there too...
Nice dude. This is a cool idea. It would also give a decent reason behind the ridged ones being cannon fodder.
I'm glad to here that there will be this type of talk in the actual comic. I find the Psuedo science really interesting. That was what made Aliens: Labyrinth so complelling, to me.
Would be grate off you could come up with a decent retcon to include the 'Dog Alien' or 'Runner'. I fact, they tend to spit acid in most incarnations. I'm sure it did in the movie and definatly did in AVP 2010.
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Nov 24, 2015, 12:06:06 AM
Not sure how Johner fits into the story... ;)
I do believe that's just Tristan playing.
I love the idea of seeing the Runner's in here. One of the things I loved about Peter Briggs' AvP was that he had multiple hybrids together in one scene and that would have been so amazing to see on the screen. I love the notion of having the smooth and ridged headed Aliens together and would love to see more thrown in there.
Quote from: KiramidHead on Nov 23, 2015, 10:02:35 PM
I was too busy running and screaming like a bitch in Isolation to ever really notice its feet in the game. :laugh:
When Dachande and I visited Creative Assembly, they showed off Stompy in Isolation doing his thing. They had him pulling turns and moved that just looked so awesome with the digigrade legs. That was the moment I went - "Yeah, that works so much better and I love it!"
Quote from: tyrannosaurusjones on Nov 23, 2015, 06:40:44 PMHere's some fun for you all...
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Nice!
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Quote from: tyrannosaurusjones on Nov 23, 2015, 10:49:43 PM
Bottom line, I've basically reversed the usual train of thought -- the "warriors" as they've been known for such a long time are the "drones". They're mindless killing machines, but the "Big Chaps"/"Beasts" are the calculating ones.
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I'm liking you more and more.
This idea should be set in stone canon.
Eh... I don't really buy that. The warriors in Aliens were hardly mindless. They showed far too much strategic thinking for that.
Based on this rationale, Stompy from Alien Isolation was not a very good example of being the smart one. I mean I know he's big and heavy and all, but running around and stomping everywhere like that? I mean he has no predator skills whatsoever. The scary thing about the Alien in Alien was that despite his size, Kane's Son was deadly silent.
Anyway, I'm pretty excited about this series.
So the whole Domed vs Ridged Xenomorph thing is getting retconned and retooled?
Didn't a fan come up with the theory in that the ridged Xenomorphs were actually Aliens which had shed their cowl as they were more aged, and Cameron pretty much generally accepted that and said "Sure, why not?" in a sense? Unless I'm mistaken.. Keep in mind, I'm only mentioning what I heard on this forum from some serious Alien aficionados.
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Dec 01, 2015, 02:33:00 AM
Based on this rationale, Stompy from Alien Isolation was not a very good example of being the smart one. I mean I know he's big and heavy and all, but running around and stomping everywhere like that? I mean he has no predator skills whatsoever. The scary thing about the Alien in Alien was that despite his size, Kane's Son was deadly silent.
That was more of a gameplay consideration though. The game was hard enough - and frustrating for some players - without making him
that good.
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Dec 01, 2015, 03:24:57 AM
Didn't a fan come up with the theory in that the ridged Xenomorphs were actually Aliens which had shed their cowl as they were more aged, and Cameron pretty much generally accepted that and said "Sure, why not?" in a sense? Unless I'm mistaken.. Keep in mind, I'm only mentioning what I heard on this forum from some serious Alien aficionados.
I think that might have been in the infamous Starlog issue. I'll try and find it.
QuoteAnyway, I'm pretty excited about this series.
You and me both! Already got the series pre-ordered with my local.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 01, 2015, 08:21:01 AM
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Dec 01, 2015, 03:24:57 AM
Didn't a fan come up with the theory in that the ridged Xenomorphs were actually Aliens which had shed their cowl as they were more aged, and Cameron pretty much generally accepted that and said "Sure, why not?" in a sense? Unless I'm mistaken.. Keep in mind, I'm only mentioning what I heard on this forum from some serious Alien aficionados.
I think that might have been in the infamous Starlog issue. I'll try and find it.
It was. Valaquen has a article with it all in: https://alienseries.wordpress.com/2014/04/03/james-cameron-responds-to-aliens-critics/
Quote from: KiramidHead on Dec 01, 2015, 01:56:29 AM
Eh... I don't really buy that. The warriors in Aliens were hardly mindless. They showed far too much strategic thinking for that.
Because they were near a queen. You take the hive mind away and they're not as competent. Doesn't mean they're dumb as dogshit, they just aren't as receptive. Their primary function is to protect the Queen. Secondary to that is to continue the species.
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Dec 01, 2015, 02:33:00 AM
Based on this rationale, Stompy from Alien Isolation was not a very good example of being the smart one. I mean I know he's big and heavy and all, but running around and stomping everywhere like that? I mean he has no predator skills whatsoever. The scary thing about the Alien in Alien was that despite his size, Kane's Son was deadly silent.
I'd put that down to gameplay. If the thing was as efficient as it is in the films, the game would be nigh impossible. If you've ever played it with the sound off, then that things as bad as the Big Chap...! ;)
The thing with the aliens is that there are always going to be variations to the creature. It's the very nature of it. Rules that apply to one particular breed may not apply to another. For example -- Creative Assembly openly state that there's a queen somewhere on Sevastopol. But ALL of the aliens on board are "Beasts"/"Stompy"... but they come from the same shipment of eggs as the queen from ALIENS, which only bred ridged Aliens. At least as far as we can see. There could well be domed creatures in the Hadley's Hive, we just never saw them. I'm sure there may have even been a dog alien or two running around in there... and none of that is taking into account how Prometheus and the Engineers could bend that mythology or the implications their involvement may/may not have on the whole cycle of things.
And therein lies the fun of xenomorphs! ;)
Also, you ever wonder why -- for such a perfectly evolved organism -- the queen has those shitty little arms in its chest? Maybe the original queens came from some other organism that rendered its offspring capable of laying eggs, rather than "beasts/stompy/Big Chaps" needing to egg-morph to continue breeding...
Quote from: tyrannosaurusjones on Dec 01, 2015, 04:40:12 PMAlso, you ever wonder why -- for such a perfectly evolved organism -- the queen has those shitty little arms in its chest?
I always figured they were for handling eggs for whatever reason. It's the only use I can really think of for such comparatively spindly limbs.
In the first issue of the original Colonial Marines series, you see ridged Aliens, domed Aliens, and Aliens somewhere in between. I always figured it was simply a gradual evolution over time.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Dec 01, 2015, 04:44:10 PM
Quote from: tyrannosaurusjones on Dec 01, 2015, 04:40:12 PMAlso, you ever wonder why -- for such a perfectly evolved organism -- the queen has those shitty little arms in its chest?
I always figured they were for handling eggs for whatever reason. It's the only use I can really think of for such comparatively spindly limbs.
I rather figured that the Queen's body goes into a somewhat state of atrophy as she is giving birth to the eggs. This is reflected in her awkward legs. Now that could be just the state of the art of puppetry in 1986, but it stands to reason that her body ceases to have a requirement for being "fit" once she starts to crank out her kids. But I also figured those small arms are for moving eggs around, or otherwise attending to her brood. Perhaps those hands play a part in forming her egg-sack?
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Dec 02, 2015, 06:14:24 AMPerhaps those hands play a part in forming her egg-sack?
They wouldn't reach, they're too short.
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Kinky :P
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Dec 02, 2015, 08:38:57 AM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Dec 02, 2015, 06:14:24 AMPerhaps those hands play a part in forming her egg-sack?
They wouldn't reach, they're too short.
I mean from the front... ;)
Gotta say, I'm lovin' these b&w images - they remind me of the Ridleygrams. :)
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Dec 01, 2015, 03:24:57 AM
So the whole Domed vs Ridged Xenomorph thing is getting retconned and retooled?
Didn't a fan come up with the theory in that the ridged Xenomorphs were actually Aliens which had shed their cowl as they were more aged, and Cameron pretty much generally accepted that and said "Sure, why not?" in a sense? Unless I'm mistaken.. Keep in mind, I'm only mentioning what I heard on this forum from some serious Alien aficionados.
Yeah, the "cowl shedding" idea has been around for a long time, but the problem is that the movie (and especially once you factor in the other movies in the series, let alone the EU) don't particularly support it when you stop and think about it.
Quote from: Xenomrph on Dec 03, 2015, 04:44:19 AM
Yeah, the "cowl shedding" idea has been around for a long time, but the problem is that the movie (and especially once you factor in the other movies in the series, let alone the EU) don't particularly support it when you stop and think about it.
Can you explain to me how? I mean... I never questioned it, just accepted it as is.
And another.
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I'm getting Shaw and medpod vibes here.
Quote from: Xenomrph on Dec 03, 2015, 04:44:19 AMYeah, the "cowl shedding" idea has been around for a long time, but the problem is that the movie (and especially once you factor in the other movies in the series, let alone the EU) don't particularly support it when you stop and think about it.
The only film that outright confuses things is
AVP:R. Every other film fits the ageing theory fine. Sure, perhaps we should've seen the odd younger smooth-head mixed in with the ridge-heads in
Aliens, but it's easy to pass that off simply as a result of budget limitations.
And given that
AVP:R was a giant, steaming crock, I'm inclined to not care what that film shows.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Dec 03, 2015, 08:56:51 AM
Quote from: Xenomrph on Dec 03, 2015, 04:44:19 AMYeah, the "cowl shedding" idea has been around for a long time, but the problem is that the movie (and especially once you factor in the other movies in the series, let alone the EU) don't particularly support it when you stop and think about it.
The only film that outright confuses things is AVP:R. Every other film fits the ageing theory fine. Sure, perhaps we should've seen the odd younger smooth-head mixed in with the ridge-heads in Aliens, but it's easy to pass that off simply as a result of budget limitations.
And given that AVP:R was a giant, steaming crock, I'm inclined to not care what that film shows.
I would say a fair reason for not seeing a smooth head in Aliens is because there would be very minimal numbers of younger aliens. Once the human population numbers dwindled, the few remaining humans would be picked off slowly, assuming they were hiding. So by the time the marines got there, 99.9% of the aliens running around would have been alive for quite some time. There may be one or two hiding somewhere. Just because we never saw them don't mean they was not there right ?
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Woo! Working Joes. ;D
Can they tell me about Defiance's safety protocols?
Apparently they're not Joes! :o
Robert Duvall from THX 1138?
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 09, 2015, 02:40:02 PM
Apparently they're not Joes! :o
You are becoming hysterical! *moves in to restrain you*
Quote from: Guan Thwei 1992 on Dec 09, 2015, 03:44:00 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 09, 2015, 02:40:02 PM
Apparently they're not Joes! :o
You are becoming hysterical! *moves in to restrain you*
To take that quote to the next level, it would have been great if they said, "please stop with the histrionics". I used that once on a girlfriend to great effect. I mean my ex...
I'd like to think somewhere among Davids 1-7 there was one that was a bit like a Working Joe.
Quote from: KiramidHead on Dec 10, 2015, 01:45:05 AM
I'd like to think somewhere among Davids 1-7 there was one that was a bit like a Working Joe.
This. I suspect the "David" number series probably looked like what we see now, but the prototypes would've looked like Joes. The test models. Like how gaming console development kids and prototype machines only resemble the final products in parts only.
These are "Davis" units...
...expendables...
Quote from: KiramidHead on Dec 10, 2015, 01:45:05 AM
I'd like to think somewhere among Davids 1-7 there was one that was a bit like a Working Joe.
He very much acted like one when Shaw found out she was "pregnant."
Apparently there will be a sneak peak of Defiance in the FCBD special!
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Quote"2016 marks the thirtieth anniversary of the Aliens film, and now there's a new xenomorph tale of terror! Brian Wood (The Massive, Rebels, Demo) and Tristan Jones (Ghostbusters, TMNT) tell a story linked to the highly anticipated new series Aliens: Defiance, which hits stands April 27."
http://www.darkhorse.com/Blog/2203/dark-horse-comics-announces-2016-free-comic-book-d
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QuoteDesignation Zero Two
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QuoteIssue one is done! Straight into #2!
Issue one is finished! ;D
It's looking great! I still can't believe we're getting an Aliens ongoing series.
Is it me or is that Ripley in the background?
I didn't even see that. It definitely looks like Ripley.
Hah! Yeah, looks like her Alien 3 mugshot.
I thought it was Amanda ?
It's a placeholder... ;) Maybe.
Quote from: Russ840 on Dec 14, 2015, 10:33:02 PM
I thought it was Amanda ?
Looks more like Ellen to me.
Quote from: tyrannosaurusjones on Dec 15, 2015, 02:22:12 AM
It's a placeholder... ;) Maybe.
:P
I wonder if that means that Zula is trying to find Ripley.
I sense a mystery brewing.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 15, 2015, 08:44:23 AM
Quote from: Russ840 on Dec 14, 2015, 10:33:02 PM
I thought it was Amanda ?
Looks more like Ellen to me.
Quote from: tyrannosaurusjones on Dec 15, 2015, 02:22:12 AM
It's a placeholder... ;) Maybe.
:P
I wonder if that means that Zula is trying to find Ripley.
Perhaps she is helping Amanda find her mother.
Maybe Zula is really Grace Jones in disguise.
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:laugh:
Quote from: Russ840 on Dec 15, 2015, 03:36:25 PM
Perhaps she is helping Amanda find her mother.
That could be the small link that was mentioned.
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Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 16, 2015, 08:23:05 AM
Quote from: Russ840 on Dec 15, 2015, 03:36:25 PM
Perhaps she is helping Amanda find her mother.
That could be the small link that was mentioned.
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That's what I was thinking dude
From Tristan over the weekend -
QuoteFor the first time in my life, I have just got something back from a licensor approved without a single note or revision! Aliens #1 is GO!
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QuoteToday will be a day of patches (goddamnit). So here's a warm up to gear up. 30 minutes on the #cintiq.
https://twitter.com/TRexJones/status/679652629211824128
Something new from Tristan's Facebook -
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QuoteAliens character jamming. The bottom two heads were merged for a character that will appear in the Free Comic Day story.
QuoteThe bottom two heads were merged for a character that will appear in the Free Comic Day story.
So it's confirmed the FCBD story will be its own thing, not just a preview. Nice. It was vague from Dark Horse's blurb.
I'm pretty sure there was some clarification of some sort. I may have posted it previously. I'll have a check.
Ah, it was in the announcement.
Quote"2016 marks the thirtieth anniversary of the Aliens film, and now there's a new xenomorph tale of terror! Brian Wood (The Massive, Rebels, Demo) and Tristan Jones (Ghostbusters, TMNT) tell a story linked to the highly anticipated new series Aliens: Defiance, which hits stands April 27."
Ah, OK, thanks. The blurb I read was a bit more vague than that.
EDIT: Ah yes, I only read the "A peek into the Aliens: Defiance series reveals an original tale of terror!" line. Wasn't sure if that was just a preview of the upcoming story.
No worries.
I just realized, isn't FCBD after Defiance starts to release?
Yes, but it wouldn't be the first time a tie-in has come out partway through the run (Theory of Alien Propagation).
#EggmorphingConfirmed
https://twitter.com/trexjones/status/684597606228439040 (https://twitter.com/trexjones/status/684597606228439040)
Also, some nice W-Y commandos:
https://twitter.com/trexjones/status/684578536032616450 (https://twitter.com/trexjones/status/684578536032616450)
That thing on the one's shoulder looks a bit Predator-esque.
Both of those things please me. Very much so. I wonder if Tristan pushed for the eggmorphing or if it was already in there?
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From Tristan's Facebook. Looks quite Alienish to me.
Perhaps eggmorphing can happen when there is the lack of a queen. She could potentially give off or stimulate hormones and once she is not there a standard xenomorph can infect a host a cause egg morphing and start a new hive this way. Perhaps the resulting egg could be a guarenteed queen.
Still think egg morphing is lame.
Quote from: Russ840 on Jan 07, 2016, 12:40:55 PM
Perhaps eggmorphing can happen when there is the lack of a queen. She could potentially give off or stimulate hormones and once she is not there a standard xenomorph can infect a host a cause egg morphing and start a new hive this way. Perhaps the resulting egg could be a guarenteed queen.
That's a pretty popular way to get them both to fit.
Quote from: Vermillion on Jan 07, 2016, 12:48:29 PM
Still think egg morphing is lame.
If what I'm hoping we can do gets done, and you don't change your mind, I'll give you a big ass alien drawing for free.
Quote from: tyrannosaurusjones on Jan 07, 2016, 01:13:39 PM
Quote from: Vermillion on Jan 07, 2016, 12:48:29 PM
Still think egg morphing is lame.
If what I'm hoping we can do gets done, and you don't change your mind, I'll give you a big ass alien drawing for free.
Wow. That's confidence! Have you guys got something special in store for us?
Quote from: tyrannosaurusjones on Jan 07, 2016, 01:13:39 PMIf what I'm hoping we can do gets done, and you don't change your mind, I'll give you a big ass alien drawing for free.
Can I lie just to get some super artwork? :P
Interested to see what you have up your sleeve!
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jan 07, 2016, 12:53:13 PM
Quote from: Russ840 on Jan 07, 2016, 12:40:55 PM
Perhaps eggmorphing can happen when there is the lack of a queen. She could potentially give off or stimulate hormones and once she is not there a standard xenomorph can infect a host a cause egg morphing and start a new hive this way. Perhaps the resulting egg could be a guarenteed queen.
That's a pretty popular way to get them both to fit.
Damn it. I thought I came up with that idea lol. Oh well. Is a cool answer to it I think. Can't wait to see what Tristan has in store.
I could be a fan of egg-morphing only if it is done with some serious thought about how that works in the Alien biology. If the Aliens are weapons, perhaps that could be a biologically designed feature, but if the Alien evolved, then its really strange to have such multiple reproductive methods. I'm on the fence about egg-morphing. I have been against the idea for ages as it ostensibly went against Aliens but I could live with it if it is done right. I would certainly be against it if Fox didn't consider it canon. I'm just not interested in going off on another tangent that is not related to what the films imply is canon. Anybody know Fox's take on egg-morphing?
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From Tristan's Facebook. Looks quite Alienish to me.
Hey, that character and Verlaine shop at the same place! Awesome. :)
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Quote from: tyrannosaurusjones on Jan 07, 2016, 01:13:39 PM
Quote from: Vermillion on Jan 07, 2016, 12:48:29 PM
Still think egg morphing is lame.
If what I'm hoping we can do gets done, and you don't change your mind, I'll give you a big ass alien drawing for free.
I tend to think of egg morphing as kind of goofy as well, so I'll sign up for that. Oh, but could I get some Silent Hill art instead? ;D
Here's a look at #2
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Looks very Alien Isolation. I like.
The tight and accurate use of perspective makes it look like it was laid out using an actual 3-D computer generated environment model, which IMO is not a bad thing. Looks great. Love the blur effect. I'm surprised to see how effective it is on black & white ink work.
Personally, I can't wait to see some of these images in colour.
Am I the only one urging for black-and-white comics for a change?
You know, with the comics industry going batty with multiple releases of the EXACT SAME COMIC in multiple different cover versions, why not consider releasing a full-color and a B&W version at the same time? That would be a fairly unique take. The B&W version could have a raw and sketchy vibe to it with pencil marks still visible in the background.
It was very cool when Titan recently released Alien: the Illustrated Story this way. We got to pick the color and B&W versions.
And yes, we can have 2 different covers as well...
I'm really digging the b&w, though I bet the colour will blow me away as well. But if they flat-out stated "this is going to be in b&w", I wouldn't be disappointed at all!
Having seen all this b&w, I'm a little scared to see how it will look coloured. I really hope it looks good. I'd be completely up for a b&w variant too.
Dark Horse's April 2016 solicitations are up (http://www.comicbookresources.com/article/dark-horse-april-2016-solicitations-include-aliens-defiance-house-of-penance-more (http://www.comicbookresources.com/article/dark-horse-april-2016-solicitations-include-aliens-defiance-house-of-penance-more)), and we have the summary, along with a new variant cover by Mark A. Nelson, for
Defiance #1!
Spoiler
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QuoteColonial Marines aren't trained for this . . .
Aliens: Defiance #1
Brian Wood (W), Tristan Jones (A), Dan Jackson (C), Massimo Carnevale (Cover), and Mark A. Nelson (Variant cover)
On sale April 27
FC, 32 pages
$3.99
Ongoing
Battling demons from her past while fighting for her life, Colonial Marine Private First Class Zula Hendricks, in the company of Weyland-Yutani synthetics, is forced to question her strength and loyalty when the discovery of an insidious alien species on a derelict hauler sends her on a dangerous journey across the stars.
• Brian Wood brings his sharp storytelling to Aliens.
• Rising star Tristan Jones draws the scariest xenomorph you've seen in years
The colored art is giving me some Incal vibes. 8)
That is really cool that they've got Mark Nelson to do a cover variant! I've just been re-reading the original Aliens series that he provided the interior art for. Nice callback.
Quote from: Ultramorph on Jan 14, 2016, 07:19:39 PM
Dark Horse's April 2016 solicitations are up (http://www.comicbookresources.com/article/dark-horse-april-2016-solicitations-include-aliens-defiance-house-of-penance-more (http://www.comicbookresources.com/article/dark-horse-april-2016-solicitations-include-aliens-defiance-house-of-penance-more)), and we have the summary, along with a new variant cover by Mark A. Nelson, for Defiance #1!
Spoiler
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QuoteColonial Marines aren't trained for this . . .
Aliens: Defiance #1
Brian Wood (W), Tristan Jones (A), Dan Jackson (C), Massimo Carnevale (Cover), and Mark A. Nelson (Variant cover)
On sale April 27
FC, 32 pages
$3.99
Ongoing
Battling demons from her past while fighting for her life, Colonial Marine Private First Class Zula Hendricks, in the company of Weyland-Yutani synthetics, is forced to question her strength and loyalty when the discovery of an insidious alien species on a derelict hauler sends her on a dangerous journey across the stars.
• Brian Wood brings his sharp storytelling to Aliens.
• Rising star Tristan Jones draws the scariest xenomorph you've seen in years
MARK A. NELSON!!!!??!?!??! This is the best comic news in ages. Welcome back Mark! The man who started it all. Hope he gets to do his own series as well. I know that was Nelson's art without even reading the post. Just by looking at it you can tell. The ridges on the Alien heads are uniquely his.. Awesome! EPIC!!!
Issue #1 is live for pre-order! I picked up mine.
http://www.tfaw.com/Comics/Profile/Aliens-Defiance-1___497583?utm_source=darkhorse&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=darkhorse_buy&utm_term=preorder+Aliens%3A+Defiance+%231 (http://www.tfaw.com/Comics/Profile/Aliens-Defiance-1___497583?utm_source=darkhorse&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=darkhorse_buy&utm_term=preorder+Aliens%3A+Defiance+%231)
I've got mine on order from the local already! ;D
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Not Gateway. And not Earth.
Really need to get on with pre-ordering this.
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Jan 13, 2016, 09:10:15 PM
Am I the only one urging for black-and-white comics for a change?
...Apparently so
A couple of us said we'd be up for it. :)
I'll take both. Seriously. I would enjoy B&W and full color. Why not? It looks good in B&W.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jan 18, 2016, 07:49:53 PM
A couple of us said we'd be up for it. :)
You're right! Totally missed it.
I really like black-and-white comics. Love the detail, the textures, patterns, shadows and such.
Mark A. Nelson actually used a process called duotone when he did the original Aliens comics. Something similar can be seen in the original The Crow comics by Dan O'Barr. The results are quite spectacular. Color or B&W, it always comes down to the individual artist's mastery.
Some more awesomeness.
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Boy, does this guy get it. Can't wait.
https://twitter.com/TRexJones/status/689972135012483076 (https://twitter.com/TRexJones/status/689972135012483076)
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Nice chiaroscuro. I am afraid of what is happening behind all that black ink. These last 2 panels nailed it for me...
Our first look at the colours:
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I dig it. I'd like to see more but I'm feeling confident.
Noice.
Wicked!
Neat. With the realistic lighting effect, it looks like cartoons existing in a physical, 3D space. Like a screen-grab from the animated series some have been clamouring for!
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New tease from Tristan!
Quote from: Mr. Clemens on Jan 21, 2016, 11:24:51 PM
Neat. With the realistic lighting effect, it looks like cartoons existing in a physical, 3D space. Like a screen-grab from the animated series some have been clamouring for!
If only.
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Ross posted this on WYB but I dunno where it's from originally.
Whoa! What? Crazy -- now I want to know what that's from...!
I meant as in the source as I couldn't find it on your Twitter or Facebook but I'm unsure if you're being sarcy. :P
No, I actually have no idea where that's come from or what that's been published in!
It's from the Previews magazine apparently.
Do you know if that's the only page?
Just that page and the normal and variant cover art.
Awesome! Thanks dude!
No problem. :)
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Clearer copy thanks to Tristan.
Looking great! Is it April yet?
Can't wait to get this in hard cover.
Is this related to the Predator series?
Just make sure you get the single issues too! Nope, not related to anything but Alien and Prometheus right now. That's all that's technically happened prior to the book. Oh! And Isolation... that's important.
Totally its own thing. That said, I'd love to draw Yautjas at some point.
So Life and Death is before Defiance?
We're two years after Isolation... I havent seen or heard anything of Life and Death to be honest.
Ah, okay. Apologies. I misread that a little there.
Definitely am getting the individual issues. No worries there. The art looks great and I am also super-excited about Mark A. Nelson doing some alternate covers. That brings up a lot of great comic memories.
Thanks guys! Another great artist will be filling in for a flashback story on #3 and #4, but then I'll be back on for the rest, so it's going to be a pretty awesome little package!
Must admit, despite not being a comic fan this has got me interested enough to pick it up (if I ever remember to pre-order it). Kudos, T-Rex.
Quote from: tyrannosaurusjones on Jan 26, 2016, 05:23:26 PMWe're two years after Isolation...
Interesting that you're
post-
Isolation, given that you've said Amanda's going to be in it. Obviously she's still around after the Sevastopol thing.
Tristan just posted this...
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I asked if it was from Defiance because I couldn't tell if those silhouettes of the spacesuits were figures in front of an existing piece of Tristan's on the screen. He replied "No Comment."
Either way, that is one excellent drawing of an Engineer. ;D
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jan 27, 2016, 11:42:59 AM
Must admit, despite not being a comic fan this has got me interested enough to pick it up (if I ever remember to pre-order it). Kudos, T-Rex.
Quote from: tyrannosaurusjones on Jan 26, 2016, 05:23:26 PMWe're two years after Isolation...
Interesting that you're post-Isolation, given that you've said Amanda's going to be in it. Obviously she's still around after the Sevastopol thing.
One assumes that Amanda's involvement is POST Sevastapol... ;)
Quote from: Ultramorph on Jan 27, 2016, 01:25:14 PM
Either way, that is one excellent drawing of an Engineer. ;D
Thanks man!
Quote from: tyrannosaurusjones on Jan 27, 2016, 03:01:06 PMOne assumes that Amanda's involvement is POST Sevastapol... ;)
True enough!
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Another one!
Awesome. Ok, I'm stitching all of these together. I think we have the whole comic here! ;-P Kidding. Keep them coming. I haven't been this excited about an Aliens comic in ages..
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jan 27, 2016, 11:42:59 AM
Must admit, despite not being a comic fan this has got me interested enough to pick it up (if I ever remember to pre-order it). Kudos, T-Rex.
You are on your way to becoming a comic fan. Resistance is futile. Give in to the dark side...
When will this be available in Canada? Though I usually want to wait for the trade paperback, I can't wait to buy this!
Quote from: Mr. Clemens on Jan 29, 2016, 02:53:59 AM
When will this be available in Canada? Though I usually want to wait for the trade paperback, I can't wait to buy this!
It's basically always the same time as the US. Rrrrroll up the rrrrrim Mr. Clemens...
Quote from: Mr. Clemens on Jan 29, 2016, 02:53:59 AM
When will this be available in Canada? Though I usually want to wait for the trade paperback, I can't wait to buy this!
From the sounds of it, that's actually detrimental to the series in question - not buying the singles.
Yeah... preorders and having the comic down on your standing orders at comic shops are the most vital part of keeping a book alive. Basically, the more standing orders a shop has for a book (as in, how many customers have the book ordered in specifically for them and held aside for them when it comes in as opposed to having copies on the shelf for any random to pick up), the more the shop has to order IN ADDITION to what they might stock for their shelves. A shop might order six for the shelves, but that might sell out, and if you don't have a standing order, then you miss out. So because a shop is ordering MORE specifically for people with standing orders, that tells Diamond (the distributor) that it's selling, and they tell Dark Horse, so the sales figures go up. The better the sales figures, the longer a book lasts. Single issues are the lifeblood of any comic. Trade waiting is fundamentally flawed in that without the single issues, you don't have trades. The sales of single issues usually help cover the ongoing fees for the writers, artists, and everyone else involved in the production and it is a cheaper way to produce the story itself. I f everything was done as straight graphic novels, the expenses would be higher, because they have no gage on how well a book might sell. Single issues ARE the gage for the collected books. If a single issue run is selling well, then they know the trades probably will too. If singles don't -- and this was the case at Mirage when I wrote the TMNT -- then sometimes you don't even GET trades of the material, because the publisher can't justify the costs and effort when the on-paper math doesn't project a good future.
It's long, it's convoluted, and it may or may not be broken, but that's unfortunately how it is. What I can promise you is that Defiance is a very, very single issue friendly book.
Also, just so you guys know, there'll be a guest artist coming in at #3 and #4 (some of it from the looks of things) so I can get ahead on the heavier shit that comes after that... but it's gonna be wild. They both very character centric "episodes" (you'll see what I mean when #1 hits) and I'm a big fan of the artist coming on and he's gonna rock it pretty hard.
Anyway, back to the point, if you can get into your shops and start/add to your single issue standing order, that's the best way to tell Dark Horse you want more. Trade sales obviously help (and if you're like me, you can just get the trade later and give the single issues to a kid -- get THEM into it all too), and digital comics via the Dark Horse app are great too, if you don't have a comic shop nearby.
All the Alien & Predator comics I've brought since 09 have been in singles. I keep meaning to actually buy the trades because all my other comics are singles too and space is now becoming an issue for me! Need to put them into storage - or as you say, give them to other folk.
I got a tremendous kick out of seeing the eight year old I gave all my Aliens comics too BEAMING -- had no idea about what ALIENS was and he f**king LOVED it.
Quote from: tyrannosaurusjones on Jan 29, 2016, 01:57:52 PM
I got a tremendous kick out of seeing the eight year old I gave all my Aliens comics too BEAMING -- had no idea about what ALIENS was and he f**king LOVED it.
You know what, I might leave my singles with the local store after I replace them with trades to give out.
As I've been saying for a while, I actually do intend to pre-order this (which would be a first), but unfortunately my local comic shop seems to have closed down some time in the last few months. I have some friends who live near a comic shop and I'm usually down there visiting once a fortnight, it's just every time I've been down lately I've been too busy (read: drunk) to actually walk down to the shop and place my order :)
Quote from: tyrannosaurusjones on Jan 29, 2016, 01:10:18 PM
Yeah... preorders and having the comic down on your standing orders at comic shops are the most vital part of keeping a book alive. Basically, the more standing orders a shop has for a book (as in, how many customers have the book ordered in specifically for them and held aside for them when it comes in as opposed to having copies on the shelf for any random to pick up), the more the shop has to order IN ADDITION to what they might stock for their shelves. A shop might order six for the shelves, but that might sell out, and if you don't have a standing order, then you miss out. So because a shop is ordering MORE specifically for people with standing orders, that tells Diamond (the distributor) that it's selling, and they tell Dark Horse, so the sales figures go up. The better the sales figures, the longer a book lasts. Single issues are the lifeblood of any comic. Trade waiting is fundamentally flawed in that without the single issues, you don't have trades. The sales of single issues usually help cover the ongoing fees for the writers, artists, and everyone else involved in the production and it is a cheaper way to produce the story itself. I f everything was done as straight graphic novels, the expenses would be higher, because they have no gage on how well a book might sell. Single issues ARE the gage for the collected books. If a single issue run is selling well, then they know the trades probably will too. If singles don't -- and this was the case at Mirage when I wrote the TMNT -- then sometimes you don't even GET trades of the material, because the publisher can't justify the costs and effort when the on-paper math doesn't project a good future.
It's long, it's convoluted, and it may or may not be broken, but that's unfortunately how it is. What I can promise you is that Defiance is a very, very single issue friendly book.
Also, just so you guys know, there'll be a guest artist coming in at #3 and #4 (some of it from the looks of things) so I can get ahead on the heavier shit that comes after that... but it's gonna be wild. They both very character centric "episodes" (you'll see what I mean when #1 hits) and I'm a big fan of the artist coming on and he's gonna rock it pretty hard.
Anyway, back to the point, if you can get into your shops and start/add to your single issue standing order, that's the best way to tell Dark Horse you want more. Trade sales obviously help (and if you're like me, you can just get the trade later and give the single issues to a kid -- get THEM into it all too), and digital comics via the Dark Horse app are great too, if you don't have a comic shop nearby.
Is there a possibility that the artist on 3 and 4 might be Mark A. Nelson? considering that he is doing the alt cover?
Over on Twitter Brian Wood just shared a new
Defiance cover by Massimo Carnevale.
https://twitter.com/brianwood/status/693103697312796672 (https://twitter.com/brianwood/status/693103697312796672)
Spoiler
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I really like Carnevale's almost watercolor style. Once again, I ask, is it April yet?
I only very rarely buy singles, and the last few were only because I'm a rabid Silent Hill maniac... never finished buying Anne's Story though...
I'm pre-ordering the single issues of this and Life and Death, but if it's anything like FaS, I'll probably also pick up the digital copies as well while I wait for the physical copies to come in the mail.
Quote from: KiramidHead on Jan 29, 2016, 07:28:08 PM
I only very rarely buy singles, and the last few were only because I'm a rabid Silent Hill maniac... never finished buying Anne's Story though...
Probably for the best. I hated working on that book.
Quote from: tyrannosaurusjones on Jan 29, 2016, 11:54:58 PM
Quote from: KiramidHead on Jan 29, 2016, 07:28:08 PM
I only very rarely buy singles, and the last few were only because I'm a rabid Silent Hill maniac... never finished buying Anne's Story though...
Probably for the best. I hated working on that book.
Ah, okay. You still put in fine work, regardless.
Quote from: Ultramorph on Jan 29, 2016, 07:45:06 PM
I'm pre-ordering the single issues of this and Life and Death, but if it's anything like FaS, I'll probably also pick up the digital copies as well while I wait for the physical copies to come in the mail.
Don't you have a local? I left work a little early to go pick F&S up when the issues were released. :P
That is awesome artwork - all of it! I hope it stays black-and-white because the detail, contrasts and shadows are mind-boggling. I'm usually not that excited about franchise comics, but this one looks promising. I hope it tries do tell a good story that doesn't depend on action and combat. As I said before, ALIEN: Fire & Stone was great, really enjoyed that one. I hope this ones on par with A:F&S.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jan 30, 2016, 12:23:42 AM
Don't you have a local? I left work a little early to go pick F&S up when the issues were released. :P
Nope, my local closed a few years ago. I picked up the digital copies mostly because I'm terrible at avoiding spoilers.
Got mine pre-ordered, which I guess means my comics cherry has been popped.
Quote from: Ultramorph on Jan 30, 2016, 03:16:01 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jan 30, 2016, 12:23:42 AM
Don't you have a local? I left work a little early to go pick F&S up when the issues were released. :P
Nope, my local closed a few years ago. I picked up the digital copies mostly because I'm terrible at avoiding spoilers.
That's a shame. As long as you're getting your fill.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 01, 2016, 09:28:13 AM
Got mine pre-ordered, which I guess means my comics cherry has been popped.
Congrats! :P
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Is he going to tell her about Sevastopol's safety procedures?
Yes and probably that she shouldn't be there...
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 01, 2016, 04:35:47 PM
Is he going to tell her about Sevastopol's safety procedures?
Glad I'm not the only one who saw that!
Is Randy the head editor of the line? That would rule.
So curious to see the astronaut suit from Alien and the pulse rifle from Aliens in the same frame. They were generations apart in terms of appearance. One had the 70's aesthetic vibe while the other was very eighties futuristic hi-tech. It's like two very different realities crashing into each other. Thanks for that...
Well the Pulse Rifle was meant to have been around for about a decade before Aliens. And maybe it's just an old suit used in desperate circumstances. Although the Colonial Marines Tech Manual mentions the Alien-era suit still being in use, if I remember rightly.
I've kind of gone by "well, we've been using M16's or a variation thereof, as well as AR's and AK's for nearly 60 years" so in an age where we have both amazing tech (Prometheus) and standard tech (Alien) co-existing, Aliens military budgets would likely be somewhere in between, so it wouldn't surprise me if the pulse rifles were "old reliables" in the Alien universe when it comes to Colonial Marine standard issue material... much like how Hicks still has an old fashioned pump action shotgun, yet the security forces in Isolation have those rad assault shotguns. You've also got different incinerators in nearly every film too with Prometheus' ones being surprisingly the most archaic in design!
This is also just two years after Isolation, so if they're still using the suits in Isolation, I figure they're fair game. Zula isn't going into this crusade needing military gear to begin with either. She's almost there in a consultant role, so a non-combat suit made sense. I ALMOST went with the one in the Marine book, but I just like the old compression suits more. That said, I definitely want to use the compression suits you see in the security offices of Isolation (the ones that use the helmets you see at the start of Alien).
And it's highly likely you'll see the heavy Weyland Yutani marine gear from Colonial Marines (love or hate that game, their design work was spot on), and POSSIBLY the containment suits from Alien 3. It's all dependent on what Brian writes. I don't think you'll see anything quite as advanced as the Prometheus gear... at least not in action.
Also, he's actually telling her that if she's not happy with his services, she can log a complaint.
Quote from: tyrannosaurusjones on Feb 03, 2016, 09:41:02 AM
I've kind of gone by "well, we've been using M16's or a variation thereof, as well as AR's and AK's for nearly 60 years" so in an age where we have both amazing tech (Prometheus) and standard tech (Alien) co-existing, Aliens military budgets would likely be somewhere in between, so it wouldn't surprise me if the pulse rifles were "old reliables" in the Alien universe when it comes to Colonial Marine standard issue material... much like how Hicks still has an old fashioned pump action shotgun, yet the security forces in Isolation have those rad assault shotguns. You've also got different incinerators in nearly every film too with Prometheus' ones being surprisingly the most archaic in design!
And Alien gives a very used impression so it's not unlikely that there's a lot of using things until they just give up the goose.
Another picture pilfered from Tristan's account...
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"And Alien gives a very used impression so it's not unlikely that there's a lot of using things until they just give up the goose. "
Exactly. Prometheus makes this pretty clear. Look at the robotics for instance. Ash is a highly sophisticated computer system. A lot of what we see in Alien isn't at all. ALIENS goes back and forth between both, and then Alien 3 pretty much tells us all this as well. The computers are slightly better than Alien, but not quite as good as some seen in Aliens.
Really, all it came down to for me was "what did the military use during Vietnam? How much had that changed since WW2 and how much has that changed since?" and going from there, and again, seeing what technology was capable of 30 odd years prior to Alien in Prometheus opens the playing field up pretty wide.
I told Brian the other day I wanted to use the Prometheus med-pod for something we've never seen before...
Quote from: tyrannosaurusjones on Feb 03, 2016, 09:41:02 AMMuch like how Hicks still has an old fashioned pump action shotgun, yet the security forces in Isolation have those rad assault shotguns.
One of my favourite bits from the novelisation that isn't in the film is how it mentions that shotgun is a family heirloom, handed down by his father and his father before him. Was a neat way to justify having such an anachronistic weapon in the film :)
Quote from: tyrannosaurusjones on Feb 03, 2016, 09:48:03 AM
Really, all it came down to for me was "what did the military use during Vietnam? How much had that changed since WW2 and how much has that changed since?" and going from there, and again, seeing what technology was capable of 30 odd years prior to Alien in Prometheus opens the playing field up pretty wide.
We're still using WW2 based weaponry now - M14, for example. There's a lot of simply building on the platforms. Are you planning on doing any new variations? Like your own other versions of the Pulse Rifle?
QuoteI told Brian the other day I wanted to use the Prometheus med-pod for something we've never seen before...
To heal someone being chestbursted!
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 03, 2016, 09:59:43 AM
Quote from: tyrannosaurusjones on Feb 03, 2016, 09:41:02 AMMuch like how Hicks still has an old fashioned pump action shotgun, yet the security forces in Isolation have those rad assault shotguns.
One of my favourite bits from the novelisation that isn't in the film is how it mentions that shotgun is a family heirloom, handed down by his father and his father before him. Was a neat way to justify having such an anachronistic weapon in the film :)
This is something I'm yet to get stuck into. I just bought ALL the novels the other week, so I plan on doing some research once I'm ahead on pages.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 03, 2016, 10:04:24 AM
We're still using WW2 based weaponry now - M14, for example. There's a lot of simply building on the platforms. Are you planning on doing any new variations? Like your own other versions of the Pulse Rifle?
Maybe, it all just sort of depends on the story. I'm not great with designing tech, and I love the designs of the weapons in the Alien universe, so I kinda figure if it ain't broke...
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 03, 2016, 10:04:24 AMTo heal someone being chestbursted!
No, worse... ;)
Quote from: tyrannosaurusjones on Feb 03, 2016, 10:12:12 AM
Maybe, it all just sort of depends on the story. I'm not great with designing tech, and I love the designs of the weapons in the Alien universe, so I kinda figure if it ain't broke...
Fair enough. There's plenty of other designs and etc outside of the films that are quite good though for if you want something different. The SMG from Colonial Marines was great, that sniper from the Tech Manual too. I still hope you can find room for that Pulse Rifle-ish shotgun from the AvP Classic concepts in that I posted many pages back. :P
QuoteNo, worse... ;)
Hmmmm...headbite?!
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 03, 2016, 10:21:30 AMI still hope you can find room for that Pulse Rifle-ish shotgun from the AvP Classic concepts in that I posted many pages back.
That was pretty cool. I remember finding one somebody had done online that was sort of similar, except the drum was at the back, like that sci-fi looking Jackhammer prototype that never got into production.
Talking of which, I'm surprised the Jackhammer hasn't influenced more sci-fi. You could pull the drum magazine out, rig it to a trip wire and turn it into a mine - trip the wire and it fires every shell it contains simultaneously, like a Claymore. I guess it's obscurity means it's never really been picked up on. Something like that would be perfect for the USCM.
Just had to go and look that one up. I'm sure that's cropped up in one of the Battlefields.
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Slap some olive on that and change the muzzle and I can completely see it in the USCM arsenal.
I also think the DP-12 looks quite futuristic and appropriate.
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Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 03, 2016, 10:43:17 AMJust had to go and look that one up. I'm sure that's cropped up in one of the Battlefields.
Yeah, it's been in a few games. The original
Far Cry was what introduced me to it. It's also in the 1990
Total Recall, although they're actually Strikers mocked up to resemble it - most obviously the drum's in front of the pistol grip in the film, not behind it.
I couldn't find the image I was thinking of online, but I came across a copy stashed on my PC. Here it is, helpfully drawn alongside the USCM sniper rifle:
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The guy who drew it did a whole bunch of awesome modular Pulse Rifle concepts too, but I can't seem to find his best stuff on the web any more.
I remember these. I might have them on my desktop somewhere. I'll have a check later tonight if I remember.
Quote from: tyrannosaurusjones on Feb 03, 2016, 10:12:12 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 03, 2016, 10:04:24 AMTo heal someone being chestbursted!
No, worse... ;)
Oooh, I wonder what that will be. We've seen the med-pod used to wipe memories in
Out of the Shadows, so it should be cool to see what else one can do.
If anyone remembers who came up with those custom GBX rifles, let me know -- would love to speak to that person! As I said, I'm hopeless with guns, so I'm glad it's all already there ;)
The DP12 looks a lot like a shorter version of the Isolation shotgun...
Quote from: tyrannosaurusjones on Feb 04, 2016, 03:59:25 PM
If anyone remembers who came up with those custom GBX rifles, let me know -- would love to speak to that person! As I said, I'm hopeless with guns, so I'm glad it's all already there ;)
Was it sh0dan, HuDa?
QuoteThe DP12 looks a lot like a shorter version of the Isolation shotgun...
I can certainly see the similarities!
Quote from: tyrannosaurusjones on Feb 04, 2016, 03:59:25 PMIf anyone remembers who came up with those custom GBX rifles, let me know.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 04, 2016, 04:09:02 PMWas it sh0dan, HuDa?
That's the guy. I have a bunch of his
Aliens stuff saved on my PC but I couldn't find some of the better ones when I last looked online.
I've just found some more:
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Yeah, they're his newer ones. To be honest, I prefer his older, more modular Pulse Rifle concepts, and they're the ones I couldn't find on the web any more.
I had a look last night but I couldn't find any on my desktop. I did come across some similar ones by others in Google though:
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fpre12.deviantart.net%2F7051%2Fth%2Fpre%2Ff%2F2008%2F009%2Fc%2Fc%2Fm41_pulse_rifle_by_omegafactor90.png&hash=715b772d6e225f8aa19909f7a5b006f38b38f96d)
http://wolff60.deviantart.com/gallery/3347487/Aliens-USCMC?offset=24 This fella has a bunch of stuff too.
Yeah, I've found all of those at one point or another hunting for these sh0dan works.
These are my favourites of his old work, uploaded form my PC:
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I think he does the modular thing far better than any other attempts I've seen. I particularly love the baby Pulse Rifle, presumably for vehicle crews or special forces.
He also does a neat sniper variant, drawn alongside the USCM sniper rifle from the Tech Manual:
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Those are really sweet. I regret not saving all of them when I had the chance. That forum is long dead now though.
I could send you over what I have if you'd like.
If you would. Thanks.
Wanna PM me your personal email address?
Preordered my copy just now, with marks cover >: ;D
Wanted to add to the praise by saying wow that art is truly gorgeous. Do you do all your work digitally, Tristan, or do you pencil some outlines and things before you get started on the tablet?
Just curious as I'm an artist myself. Hope the comic is going well and I can't wait to check it out.
Oh yeah ps - after browsing your Tumblr blog for a bit, I was reminded that this story features a bunch of USCM combat synthetics. This is interesting, but I wanted to ask how you guys were doing with it from a lore standpoint?
What's interesting is that a lot of the EU has androids not being targeted by the Alien due to their artificial nature. Alien: Isolation also does this, which makes for some very tense gameplay moments. However the only film reference we have to this shows Bishop, a very artificial person, get torn in half by the Queen, implying that Aliens will, in fact, attack synthetics just as they would anything else.
Some of the EU also contradicts this, like in Earth Hive (Book One) where Wilks' team all end up being combat synths. Plenty of them get killed.
I can see this easily being explained by just saying that synths may not be attacked unless they act aggressively or attack the Aliens. Anyway just wanted to know your thoughts on it, if you had any.
Quote from: RagingDragon on Feb 07, 2016, 10:29:20 PMWhat's interesting is that a lot of the EU has androids not being targeted by the Alien due to their artificial nature. Alien: Isolation also does this, which makes for some very tense gameplay moments. However the only film reference we have to this shows Bishop, a very artificial person, get torn in half by the Queen, implying that Aliens will, in fact, attack synthetics just as they would anything else.
You come across a few androids in
Isolation that have seemingly been ripped apart by something, if I remember right. Maybe Aliens will attack them if they're in their way.
As for Bishop, I figure the Queen's raging at that point.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 08, 2016, 09:00:07 AM
You come across a few androids in Isolation that have seemingly been ripped apart by something, if I remember right. Maybe Aliens will attack them if they're in their way.
As for Bishop, I figure the Queen's raging at that point.
Lol, indeed, the queen was f**king pissed. Plus in terms of the film, that scene stood out as a play on the chestburster to trick the audience into thinking that Bishop had gotten facehugged for a second.
Was pretty effective, too, until the milk.
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Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 08, 2016, 09:00:07 AM
Maybe Aliens will attack them if they're in their way.
Unfortunately not in A:I. The alien doesn't seem to even acknowledge their existence at all in gameplay terms. (Might have been a nice nod if the alien maybe gave them a "Head tilt" ala Jonesy, or knocked them over, or something.)
That said, the Joe's responses to Stompy are great. "What are you?"
Quote from: OpenMaw on Feb 09, 2016, 08:04:46 AMUnfortunately not in A:I. The alien doesn't seem to even acknowledge their existence at all in gameplay terms.
Except you see some in the game that
have been shredded by something. It could only be the Alien. So clearly under some circumstances it
will attack them.
Well of course, I just mean in terms of the gameplay, you can't actually get the alien to attack them. That would be very cool. Throw a noise maker at their feet and watch the alien rip em apart. :laugh:
One thing I do find very cool is that the alien will take some of the human characters up into the vents instead of just killing them outright.
Quote from: OpenMaw on Feb 09, 2016, 09:57:48 AM
One thing I do find very cool is that the alien will take some of the human characters up into the vents instead of just killing them outright.
I have never seen that. :o Have you got that on camera?
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 09, 2016, 10:14:22 AM
I have never seen that. :o Have you got that on camera?
Should be around 2:10 when the alien attacks. There's a slow mo replay after it happens. It's an incredible little animation.
That's awesome :) Pretty sure I never saw that myself.
Holy sheet. That's awesome. I wonder if that happens at random.
Wow, thanks for sharing that! I might never have noticed.
Quote from: RagingDragon on Feb 07, 2016, 10:29:20 PM
Wanted to add to the praise by saying wow that art is truly gorgeous. Do you do all your work digitally, Tristan, or do you pencil some outlines and things before you get started on the tablet?
Just curious as I'm an artist myself. Hope the comic is going well and I can't wait to check it out.
Oh yeah ps - after browsing your Tumblr blog for a bit, I was reminded that this story features a bunch of USCM combat synthetics. This is interesting, but I wanted to ask how you guys were doing with it from a lore standpoint?
What's interesting is that a lot of the EU has androids not being targeted by the Alien due to their artificial nature. Alien: Isolation also does this, which makes for some very tense gameplay moments. However the only film reference we have to this shows Bishop, a very artificial person, get torn in half by the Queen, implying that Aliens will, in fact, attack synthetics just as they would anything else.
You hit the nail on the head. The way I see it, is they'll attack anything that poses a threat, and anything they can harvest. There's some pretty great synth gore in the first issue actually... rather proud of that whole sequence!!
As for the art -- yeah, I'm slow and not quite used to all the tech yet. So it's digital all the way. I rough it out sometimes on a print out of the script in scribbles the size of my thumb, then blow that up and go over it again to flesh out shapes properly then basically "pencil" my art in digital "ink", so the pencilling and inking are the same thing.
Very glad you're excited, and thanks so much for the kind words!
More teasing from Tristan!
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Quote from: tyrannosaurusjones on Feb 09, 2016, 02:46:18 PM
You hit the nail on the head. The way I see it, is they'll attack anything that poses a threat, and anything they can harvest. There's some pretty great synth gore in the first issue actually... rather proud of that whole sequence!!
As for the art -- yeah, I'm slow and not quite used to all the tech yet. So it's digital all the way. I rough it out sometimes on a print out of the script in scribbles the size of my thumb, then blow that up and go over it again to flesh out shapes properly then basically "pencil" my art in digital "ink", so the pencilling and inking are the same thing.
Very glad you're excited, and thanks so much for the kind words!
Yeah I was particularly fond of this awesome panel:
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I definitely feel you on the art side, as well. As a mostly traditional artist, I'm sadly just catching up to this decade's technology lol. It's amazing how much time and material you can save, though. No inking and scanning process alone cuts off hours of work.
Thanks for the kind and timely answers, too. It's really cool you're on here talking to us gibbering fans, and I can't wait to pick up this book. I live in the middle of nowhere so a lot of my comics are digital these days, but with art like that, I must have ye' olde paper archive format to hold lovingly in my Dorito-encrusted fingers.
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I don't think we need to panic about the colouring.
Army robots, eh?
Via Brian Wood's Twitter:
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This looks even more amazing with color! Also, is that Zeta II Reticuli?
Looks great!
Im def digging the art and color.
Me like.
Quote from: Ultramorph on Feb 11, 2016, 03:13:04 PMAlso, is that Zeta II Reticuli?
Does kinda look like Calpamos et al.
Via Tristan's Twitter:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ca8ZEe7XIAEk1aK.jpg:large)
Crew expendable, eh?
He still hasn't fixed that typo :P
I did on the close up later in the book, but I kind of also figure it's not my typo, some schmuck at Wey-Yu can't spell.
:)
Quote from: Ultramorph on Feb 11, 2016, 03:13:04 PM
Via Brian Wood's Twitter:
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ca8TRfaW4AAPzGa.png)
This looks even more amazing with color! Also, is that Zeta II Reticuli?
That looks gorgeous. I really can't wait to see more of this! Is it April yet?!
I wonder what they're doing back at Zeta Reticuli?
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 12, 2016, 08:08:47 AM
I wonder what they're doing back at Zeta Reticuli?
Maybe that's where the spaceship with the xenos on it came from? Probably another group of poor souls that set down on LV-426 for some reason. Maybe that will be the flashback thing in issues 3 and 4? Either way, I'm glad this is coming out so soon!
The solicit for
Defiance #2 is up!
http://www.comicbookresources.com/article/dark-horse-may-2016-solicitations-feature-lobster-johnsons-return-gene-has-mae (http://www.comicbookresources.com/article/dark-horse-may-2016-solicitations-feature-lobster-johnsons-return-gene-has-mae)
Spoiler
QuoteAliens: Defiance #2
Brian Wood (W), Tristan Jones (A), Dan Jackson (C), and Massimo Carnevale (Cover)
On sale May 25
FC, 32 pages
$3.99
Ongoing
Colonial Marine Hendricks and the Weyland-Yutani synthetic Davis break protocol, navigating the Europa to a distant science station discovered in the once-derelict ship's data records—a station that recently went dark. Following the trail of the alien species, they dive deeper into a conspiracy, uncovering just how much is riding on their choices.
"With high-profile work on Star Wars and Mad Max: Fury Road, respectively, Wood and Jones are no stranger to the unique challenges of licensed comic storytelling."—Comic Book Resources
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The plot they're setting up sounds cool, and has me wondering if this is going to tie into
Isolation even more than we thought.
It's unlikely to be Sevastapol considering it burned up. Unless it sets closer to the game than we know.
Given how quickly WY swooped in on buying Sevastopol, you kinda gotta wonder how many people even know about ANYTHING that happened in Isolation, right...?
;)
Quote from: tyrannosaurusjones on Feb 13, 2016, 01:45:48 AM
Given how quickly WY swooped in on buying Sevastopol, you kinda gotta wonder how many people even know about ANYTHING that happened in Isolation, right...?
;)
Fair point. ;) I wonder if we'll see much in the way of corporate fighting then. That combat synthetic looks very Joe-esque. Perhaps some overlap in cheap, expendable synthetics.
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That cover art is
amazing.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 15, 2016, 08:49:21 AM
Fair point. ;) I wonder if we'll see much in the way of corporate fighting then. That combat synthetic looks very Joe-esque. Perhaps some overlap in cheap, expendable synthetics.
Can't say too much, but here's something else to consider about Davis and why he looks the way he does and the purpose he serves... and maybe the name.
That makes me think it's either related to Samuel from Isolation or David from Prometheus.
Interesting, it sounds like you have a good mystery afoot in Defiance. Glad we don't have to wait much longer for it to kick off. I can't wait to see where it all goes!
Also, just a heads up that issue #2 has been listed for pre-order on TFAW.
http://www.tfaw.com/Comics/Profile/Aliens-Defiance-2___499708?utm_source=darkhorse&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=darkhorse_buy&utm_term=preorder+Aliens%3A+Defiance+%232 (http://www.tfaw.com/Comics/Profile/Aliens-Defiance-2___499708?utm_source=darkhorse&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=darkhorse_buy&utm_term=preorder+Aliens%3A+Defiance+%232)
Do we have any more info yet on the tie-in short story from the Free Comic Book Day issue?
Anyone know if Mark Nelson is doing variant cover for each issue or just #1?
I'd assume just #1. It's part of DH's year-long anniversary cover program. They're giving a bunch of first issues from selected series special variant covers, drawn by classic artists referencing old issues of Dark Horse Presents.
Think it got a mention on here somewhere.
Thanks!
I'm glad he's still working, I like his art alot.
Quote from: tyrannosaurusjones on Feb 15, 2016, 10:32:00 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 15, 2016, 08:49:21 AM
Fair point. ;) I wonder if we'll see much in the way of corporate fighting then. That combat synthetic looks very Joe-esque. Perhaps some overlap in cheap, expendable synthetics.
Can't say too much, but here's something else to consider about Davis and why he looks the way he does and the purpose he serves... and maybe the name.
Super cool. Your art continues to amaze, Mr. Jones. I really hope the story will match its quality.
"Would you like to know about Weyland combat protocols?"
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 16, 2016, 03:02:25 PM
Do we have any more info yet on the tie-in short story from the Free Comic Book Day issue?
It's set in the future... ;)
::) Thanks, Tristan! :P
Some more artwork -
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Gulf War vs. Fury 161.
Also, that guy on the right looks like he's holding the Weyland-Yutani assault rifle from ACM, with a Pulse Rifle grenade launcher strapped to it.
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I love the caption Tristan posted with this one: "Remember those old games where your character could somehow carry an inordinate inventory?" :laugh:
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 22, 2016, 02:03:51 PM
I love the caption Tristan posted with this one: "Remember those old games where your character could somehow carry an inordinate inventory?" :laugh:
They actually did that on an episode of MythBusters recently. :laugh:
Dynamic Forces has an interview with Brian Wood about
Defiance.
http://www.dynamicforces.com/htmlfiles/interviews.html?showinterview=IN02221686345 (http://www.dynamicforces.com/htmlfiles/interviews.html?showinterview=IN02221686345)
I'm really intrigued by Hendricks. I love the idea of her being wounded and Brian drawing inspiration from vets he knows.
Yeah, I like that it sounds like she might be a slightly deeper character.
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CBR has a full-color short preview, and it looks great!
http://www.comicbookresources.com/comic-previews/aliens-defiance-1-dark-horse-comics-2016 (http://www.comicbookresources.com/comic-previews/aliens-defiance-1-dark-horse-comics-2016)
Quote from: Ultramorph on Feb 24, 2016, 08:14:37 PM
CBR has a full-color short preview, and it looks great!
http://www.comicbookresources.com/comic-previews/aliens-defiance-1-dark-horse-comics-2016 (http://www.comicbookresources.com/comic-previews/aliens-defiance-1-dark-horse-comics-2016)
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Looks pretty great, got me drooling a bit lol. The aliens look really great, very nice art.
I'm getting more and more flashbacks to Aliens: Labyrinth! This comic is looking simply amazing!
Wow! This is looking amazing Tristan! It's great to finally get some really beautiful art back in an Aliens title - between this and Fire and Stone it's getting to be like the glory days of Denis Beauvais again.
The artist talent in these latest series is simply astounding. It's a trend I'd very happily see continue!
This looks fantastic. Cant Wait to buy it
This looks absolutely stellar!
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:o
Really great each time I look at that one I see something new. Can't wait for this!
Those look like Colonial Marines aliens -_- Why must we keep being reminded of that garbage game on novel covers and now this comic series?? Cant you use Neca aliens figures like Fire and Stone did or use another artist? I have a suspicion the guys making this stuff are more in it for their love of money than their love of the franchise. Just look at Fire and Stone. That series was intended to be right after Prometheus and feature multiple deacons. Sadly, the writers never thought of looking at the weylandcorp website only to realise weylandcorp DID go back to lv-223 with their own modified android, deciphered mostly everything and took the urns to test on other planets. Instead, their original ideas got shot down and now were left with a comic series thats just as lost as the Prometheus movie. That being said, wtf was up with that bloated queen Alien at the end of the series?? Can someone answer me that? I though it was a stupid idea that the xeno's could get infected by whats generally their own essence but to make a queen so fat it cant even lay eggs?? Wasnt the goo supposed to be an evolution accelerate? And were those monkey things guarding her or was she making them?? Telling you guys, cluster f**k -_-
But... the Colonial Marines Aliens are the NECA Aliens are the Movie Aliens... what difference does it make? There are countless different and inconsistent Alien designs across the comics games and movies and you're, what, unhappy because something looks like the movie it came from?
Also, don't make assumptions about my motivations to working on this book. I've geared my entire career towards working on this book and you've decided to write us off because you're reminded of a video game you didn't like? I'm reminded of it just by watching Aliens. Doesn't affect me at all. Because I take what I like from these things and leave what I don't be.
Each preview and snippet of art just looks better and better. I can't wait for Aliens Day!
Well said, T Jones. We're lucky to have someone who cares about this universe as much as you obviously do involved.
Can't wait to get mine! :)
Colonial Marines aliens are based off ADI aliens which are based more off their pumpkin head monster more so than Giger's original Alien beast. Colonial Marines was a colossal let down not just for myself but also for long time hard core fans of the franchise eager to learn the mysteries left unanswered throughout the first three movies as was promised by its developers and fox itself. Now the style of the beast doesnt need to be spot on to what we see in the series, hell i just bought a two in one tpb of Alien Salvation and Sacrifice because i couldn't pass up an alien comic in the style of Hellboys Mignola. The art for the alien in other comics such as Aliens Labirynth is also pretty outstanding. Guess all im sayin is it kinda erks me the wrong way whenever i see something i invested time and money in keep showing up in the wrong places. You know? Like a terrible x girlfriend you just wanna forget but cant because... YOU KNOW. Other than that i'm sure your story will be great and i cant wait to buy every copy and any kick ass varients that come out and add them to my collection ^-^ Just a future request ok? Nothing personal on you. And wtf is Aliens day?? :P
The first review is up, and it's very positive. It also doesn't have any spoilers.
http://talkingcomicbooks.com/2016/02/26/aliens-defiance-1-preview/ (http://talkingcomicbooks.com/2016/02/26/aliens-defiance-1-preview/)
I think they aliens in this series look more like a mix between Aliens (film) and labyrinth. Otherwise I'm confused why anyone would even reference aliens cm in relation to Defiance. Anyway I can't wait for my copy!
Sorry, i meant to say, something i invested time and money in that turned out to be a gold digging fraud yadda yadda yadda. Anyway, if your contributing, please consider sources like the Weyland corp websites timeline and features if you already havnt. Also noticed some neca Predators in the upcoming Predator series. Are they aware of neca's own back stories and paying homage to their characters or using neca's lore in any way? One more thing, will anything from Alien 3 and Resurrection be referenced ever again? O.o
Defiance actually uses a pic from Avp Requiem for its cover. Another tremendous let down were also being reminded of. Strange isn't it? There seems to be an ongoing trend. I mean Alien Apocalypse is using ACM Aliens for its cover. And again another Avp R cover for the Avp title. I suppose Avp R could be canon since it doesn't mention Charles Bishop Weyland and has a slightly different opening to the end of the first movie. But who here can really stomach the thought of ACM actually trying to be canon?
Double sorry, i meant Rage war uses ACMon its cover. My bad!!! But yeah Defiance Aliens are using ACM Aliens in their art. Compare em.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 25, 2016, 09:35:14 PM
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:o
This is so wicked awesome I'm stunned. Tristan, you use a very slim line weight in your drawings, and yet you are able to mix in vast areas of black completely seamlessly creating an amazing and intricate tonal tapestry. I'm really glad to have seen all the great art thus far and I can't wait for more..
I'm a manager at an LA-based comic book shop and Brian Wood just sent us a PDF of Aliens:Defiance #1. I have to say that's the most excited I've been by an Aliens book in a while. It's a cool premise and the art is fantastic. I definitely got a Kilian Plunkett vibe which I hope comes off as praise; in my opinion he's a very talented artist and it's a shame we don't see much comics work from him these days. I liked how Defiance #1 combined various visual elements from different sources like the Moebius spacesuit (I think it was Moebius?) and the androids from the Isolation video game. Most importantly, the book felt more sovereign than the Fire and Stone series which suffered from its overt inter-connectivity. Anyway good stuff! I'm going to push it hard here in the store.
Just preordered issue #2, picked up "More than Human" as well.
Can't wait for the first issue of Defiance to get here!
I think you might want to take a step back Cassus and get yourself straight before you offend again. The novel covers are indeed blatantly covers of screenshots of Colonial Marines. I'd suggest you take that up in a different thread - I'm sure we were talking about that in a favourites cover art thread.
I'm so hyped for Defiance and I'm glad so many of you are. Everything I've seen from Tristan has me really excited. The Talking Comic Book and Gordon's feedback are only making it worse! I have no idea how I'm going to make it through March! :laugh:
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A new one from today.
Were actually talking about the re-use of imagery from ACM in these comics. The Alien used on the cover is actually pretty amazing. But inside the aliens depicted are clearly ripped straight out of the abomination we know as ACM. Damned if their not screen shots traced over. Everything else, artistically, is great and i'm sure the story will be quite compelling. I just mentioned the novels as to compare to an ongoing trend of referencing characters from acm which is a terrible idea in my honest opinion.
Did you actually just accuse me of tracing over screenshots from a f**king game? This whole thing of you having a problem with me using the Colonial Marines warrior designs is hilarious, given your avatar comes uses the AVP creature design...
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You're art is really great man, I think most of us can't wait to get this series! But there's always going to be "that guy", can't please everyone yah know?
Quote from: tyrannosaurusjones on Feb 29, 2016, 02:59:36 AM
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Nice! I can't wait to see what you have in store for the big bad in this series.
Yeah, totally getting a Kilian Plunkett vibe here, which is an awesome thing. Anyways, great, great art. Looking forward to get my hands on this comic.
Quote from: LordCassusSnow on Feb 29, 2016, 02:26:58 AM
Were actually talking about the re-use of imagery from ACM in these comics. The Alien used on the cover is actually pretty amazing. But inside the aliens depicted are clearly ripped straight out of the abomination we know as ACM. Damned if their not screen shots traced over. Everything else, artistically, is great and i'm sure the story will be quite compelling. I just mentioned the novels as to compare to an ongoing trend of referencing characters from acm which is a terrible idea in my honest opinion.
It might be a good idea for you to post up some pictures where you believe you can see this. Otherwise you just keep coming across as a troll at the minute. I've not seen anyone else bring this up.
All I see from Defiance is Tristan and as keeps getting mentioned, that Plunkett vibe, which is frigging awesome.
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So close now! The wait is unbearable!
Given my frequently stated general dislike of the comic book format, I really have got very hyped for this.
Can't wait to get my hands on the first issue.
Just so it's clear where I stand -- I make ZERO bones about my love for the designs of the aliens in Colonial Marines (except the boiler, still looks cool, but terrible idea), but as far as I can tell, there's not a great deal of difference between the warriors in the film and the warriors in the game. Why do I like the tweaks made to the warriors in the game? Because they look more like animals than people in suits. That big bastard I just put the picture up of -- the head is based on the spitter. Why? Because I love the head, and I love the rictus grin. I know Colonial Marines isn't continuity. It's a f**king terrible game, but everything in it looks perfect (except the boilers). There's a VERY specific reason I'm using a more animalistic design for these particular warriors and why the big one in the middle of that swarm in the preview is based more on the Beast/Big Chap. We'll get to it all eventually, but it's basically my way of streamlining the continuity and picking and choosing the best of what's already out there and making that work with the films. The films are sovereign, and from what I've been told Defiance is now too. So, that one dude, you're gonna have to deal with it. I saw a design or a version of the design I liked, and I went for it. The design serves a very specific purpose to the overall continuity and biology, and if you don't like it... well... too bad? If I had it my way, they'd all look like Plunkett's designs/Isolation's Beast, but there's a very specific reason we can't, and it has something to do with Covenant. So there you go.
Everyone else, I'm SUPER stoked you're all digging it so far...! Means the world to me! :D
Quote from: tyrannosaurusjones on Feb 29, 2016, 12:37:43 PMIf I had it my way, they'd all look like Plunkett's designs/Isolation's Beast, but there's a very specific reason we can't, and it has something to do with Covenant. So there you go.
Ooooh...
I'd ask you to tell us more, but I'm guessing Ridley would send the hitmen round :)
Pretty much! But that stuff will slowly come out as Defiance progresses. Remember, Weyland Yutani BARELY knows about the alien in this, too!
Oh man the wait just got even more unbearable. I haven't been this excited about an aliens series since the 90's ;D
As far as A:CM aliens go, I don't remember the alien warrior designs ever being an issue in that game, they looked pretty faithful to aliens as far as I remember anyway. It was the story and gameplay that were a bad in that one.
Quote from: 420Buddy on Feb 29, 2016, 01:39:39 PMAs far as A:CM aliens go, I don't remember the alien warrior designs ever being an issue in that game, they looked pretty faithful to aliens as far as I remember anyway.
The actual design of the basic Aliens was pretty decent. Certainly nothing glaringly wrong with it. It was the movement that ruined them, twerking around all over the place like they're on crack. Especially when you compare them to the 2010
AVP game, where the Alien movement animations were pretty superb.
Quote from: 420Buddy on Feb 29, 2016, 01:39:39 PM
Oh man the wait just got even more unbearable. I haven't been this excited about an aliens series since the 90's ;D
As far as A:CM aliens go, I don't remember the alien warrior designs ever being an issue in that game, they looked pretty faithful to aliens as far as I remember anyway. It was the story and gameplay that were a bad in that one.
Indeed, I am also very stoked about this. For me, the heyday of the series was in the late '80s and early '90s and I haven't been this excited about the series since then...
Look, Bolaji Badejo did an excellent job at portraying the beast and he was a guy in a suit. Best portrayal of the Alien imo. The creators of Alien isolation admitted the "dinosaur legs" on their xeno's weren't planned but were a necessity to the games mechanics so had to be kept in the game. Side note, I remember H.R Giger's expressions towards his beast looking like a dinosaur being a little negative. Now when ACM started pumping out screenshots, lots of people had problems with the size, tail, hips and back tubes of the alien warriors. I myself was a little annoyed at the missing ridges along the top of the dome. Now when Fire and Stone seemingly traced over still photos of neca's alien warriors, it didn't annoy me much really. i mean sure the hands could have been drawn differently but other than that they were absolutely 100% Giger's beast. And as for fox calling this and that canon, well, i really think thats up to us fans at this point as we know fox's meddling has never been a good thing. Examples: Alien 3, ACM, Ripleys inclusion in Out of the Shadows, Prometheus, Fire and Stone so on and so forth. I bet im not the only one who remembers fox announcing ACM being canon to the films though. So how about it guys? Who here counts ACM as canon to the films? Fox said it is so it must be, right?
Quote from: LordCassusSnow on Feb 29, 2016, 02:26:58 AM
Were actually talking about the re-use of imagery from ACM in these comics. The Alien used on the cover is actually pretty amazing. But inside the aliens depicted are clearly ripped straight out of the abomination we know as ACM. Damned if their not screen shots traced over. Everything else, artistically, is great and i'm sure the story will be quite compelling. I just mentioned the novels as to compare to an ongoing trend of referencing characters from acm which is a terrible idea in my honest opinion.
Cassus, do you actually know what its like to put your heart and soul into a work of art or a design and to go out of your way to share it with fans of the subject? I do that every single day, and I can tell you, it is not a very easy thing to do. It is a very vulnerable and exposed place to be. I think we are all
1000% beyond grateful that Tristan is sharing his insider's perspective with us here and allowing us to see some of his amazing art before the rest of the world does. Step back for a second and think how cool that is. If you don't like it, at least don't go flaming the artist about things which are ultimately just your own subjective preference. Would you really talk to the artist this way in person? Come on, use some tact Bro, and don't ruin this for the rest of us who are super excited about what looks to be an amazing series by someone who really cares and has invested himself into the project.
Quote from: LordCassusSnow on Feb 29, 2016, 03:48:23 PM
Look, Bolaji Badejo did an excellent job at portraying the beast and he was a guy in a suit. Best portrayal of the Alien imo. The creators of Alien isolation admitted the "dinosaur legs" on their xeno's weren't planned but were a necessity to the games mechanics so had to be kept in the game. Side note, I remember H.R Giger's expressions towards his beast looking like a dinosaur being a little negative. Now when ACM started pumping out screenshots, lots of people had problems with the size, tail, hips and back tubes of the alien warriors. I myself was a little annoyed at the missing ridges along the top of the dome. Now when Fire and Stone seemingly traced over still photos of neca's alien warriors, it didn't annoy me much really. i mean sure the hands could have been drawn differently but other than that they were absolutely 100% Giger's beast. And as for fox calling this and that canon, well, i really think thats up to us fans at this point as we know fox's meddling has never been a good thing. Examples: Alien 3, ACM, Ripleys inclusion in Out of the Shadows, Prometheus, Fire and Stone so on and so forth. I bet im not the only one who remembers fox announcing ACM being canon to the films though. So how about it guys? Who here counts ACM as canon to the films? Fox said it is so it must be, right?
The Alien design is the least of A:CM's problems, but that game has long been discussed here and its pretty much agreed that its horrible. I think we all would like to forget about it, but you can always go to the A:CM forum here if you want to talk more about that game.
Now lets focus on Defiance and how awesome it looks and how lucky we are to have Tristan here, because that's crazy awesome.
Pretty glad the moderators saw fit to put in an ignore button, because clearly ignoring things is an issue with some people ;)
I still like the fact that the big bastard with the Spitter head seems to be fine... Unless someone's still trapped in a flashback...
HAHAHAHAH! I also drew the ridges on the heads...!
Seriously though, you guys are all great!
Quote from: tyrannosaurusjones on Feb 29, 2016, 12:37:43 PM
If I had it my way, they'd all look like Plunkett's designs/Isolation's Beast, but there's a very specific reason we can't, and it has something to do with Covenant. So there you go.
Everyone else, I'm SUPER stoked you're all digging it so far...! Means the world to me! :D
Ooooh, now that's very interesting. There are so many things going on with franchise right now, and it's getting to be really exciting!
The only A:CM design I recall disliking was the neon green one that did a goofy T. rex walk at times.
Thought I might jump in here, perhaps to slightly play Devil's Advocate.
I'm really anticipating this comic as it looks like an interesting mesh of the horror of Alien: Isolation and the action of Aliens. As far as the concerns of LordCassusSnow go, although they look unfounded, I can kind of understand where they're coming from, although I don't agree with his recently stated opinions myself. As Aliens: Fire and Stone was launching in late 2014, I initially thought the art for the Aliens was traced, this was before I knew who the artist was.
Some examples here:
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He pretty heavily refrerenced ACM as well, granted this was for an ACM comic he worked on but the frame was pretty much identical to the screenshot.
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I could instantly recognize them as the NECA Aliens figures, and even their hands were in the same position in every frame. Later I met the artist, Patrick Reynolds, in person at Salt Lake Comic Con, and in the nicest way I could, asked if all the elements in his art were freehand, to which he said they were. He pre-visualizes his art using collages with photos of figures, actors, etc. and uses those as a guide. He's an impressive artist, but I wanted to tell him (though I didn't fearing I'd be rude) that I thought the Aliens might have benefited more from his own spin on them, rather than be so highly referenced from the figures.
I've been following your work on Twitter, Tristan and I've been nothing but blown away with your awesome and unique comic style, as an art student, I can tell your work is obviously not traced. Though I did recognize the ACM designs immediately, I could tell you did what you wanted with them; manipulated and altered them in good ways, and for that I'm far more impressed with your work on the Aliens themselves than I was with Reynolds's art. Reference simply goes with the territory of art, especially for licensed properties, it's what you do with the reference that makes the difference.
Also, to refute one of LordCassusSnow's points, I don't think designs need to be written off just because they were included in what the community perceived to be not the greatest projects. Aliens: Colonial Marines may have been a disappointing game, but there were some genuinely awesome designs made for that game. Same goes for AVP:R, the Wolf is one of the best looking Predators I've ever seen.
But yes, It's awesome to have you here in the community, Tristan, and I can't wait to check out the comics you've been working on.
Ridge top, your a man after my own heart ;) I too loved some of the design choices in Avp-R such as Wolf. Hell, the Raven in ACM was pretty damn scary and was probably the inspiration for Isolations beast. I just thought it annoying and quite curious that ACM imagery keeps popping up even to this day. Its like a conspiracy bro O.o Also, jones, your right i do see the ridges on your xeno domes. Nicely done. And did you mean boiler when you said spitter, or? In any case your art for this particular universe is a huge step up after Avp Three World War. Again, my only annoyance is the choice of alien used in this title. If you asked me about the actual art being put into this, i'd have to say its one of the best i've seen used for an Aliens story. A little criticism never hurts. If we had some guy, like me, on set of Prometheus instead of a bunch of yes-men then i bet we'd have gotten a much better movie than what Riddles and fox put out. All that aside, Ridge top, if it pleases, I'd like to have a nice chat with you on our likes and dislikes of the alien and predator franchises. I think we could share some valuable insights and info if your willing?
Quote from: LordCassusSnow on Mar 01, 2016, 05:05:42 PMHell, the Raven in ACM was pretty damn scary and was probably the inspiration for Isolations beast.
???
Let's not feed him.
Tyrannosaurusjones, I would like to say thank you for sharing your amazing artwork and contributing to the Alien franchise with your work. You're incredibly skilled and talented. I love the attention and detail you place in your artwork.
Keep up the great work, I look forward to reading this when it comes out.
Seems like forever until late april, at least Predator L&D will be here before that so I will have something to hold me over.
I didn't even realize this was a 12 issue run, that's sweet, haven't collected a 12 issue run yet.
People ought to be happy that some of the wonderful designs done for ACM are being rescued from that terrible car crash and used in something worthy. It always made me sad that original bits like the cargo dropships and such were doomed to forever be only part of something so pants.
The mix of styles on display in what we've seen of Defiance thus far looks glorious, and it's always a thrill to see the iconography of the first three movies mixed together.
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"Vagina spiders for your faces HASHTAGBODYHORROR"
:laugh:
I have a feeling this is going to be my favorite dark horse alien series, has the potential thats for sure.
My only minor complaint is that i'm not huge fan of the style of the cover art, although that's merely my personal taste, as they are done very well.
Quote from: 420Buddy on Mar 02, 2016, 04:20:00 PM
I have a feeling this is going to be my favorite dark horse alien series, has the potential thats for sure.
My only minor complaint is that i'm not huge fan of the style of the cover art, although that's merely my personal taste, as they are done very well.
There's also a Mark A. Nelson variant. That's epic! Nelson is THE original Aliens legend...
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There's also a Mark A. Nelson variant. That's epic! Nelson is THE original Aliens legend...
Thats the one I ended up preordering, too bad he isn't doing covers for each issue though, that would have been amazing.
Previews World has a new interview with Brian Wood about Defiance. Is it Aliens Day yet?
http://www.previewsworld.com/Home/1/1/71/977?articleID=175736 (http://www.previewsworld.com/Home/1/1/71/977?articleID=175736)
They all sound so dedicated and you can see it in everything we get! This wait is unbearable.
You can definitely see the passion everyone involved has.
Also, in case anyone is still unsure about how standalone
Defiance will or won't be, this came up in a Twitter conversation:
https://twitter.com/DarkHorseComics/status/705482057237942272 (https://twitter.com/DarkHorseComics/status/705482057237942272)
QuoteYes, it's not connected to the Life & Death series
Can't believe i'm this hyped for something Aliens again, I'm more hyped for this than I am Covenant (and I'm pretty excited for Covenant too)
Thank goodness. I want my stand-alone Aliens series.
Give me more Alien and less Aliens. I want more gothic horror movie in space and less of the usual canon fodder for one liner marines weve been gettin over n over n over. I know James Camerons movie was a huge success but it was just a sequel. Alien sets up the beast how its supposed to be. A game of cat and mouse against a seemingly invincible beast who lurks in the shadow awaiting its prey. If someone could put something like Alien Out Of The Shadows in comic form i'd be completely blown away!
It would indeed be great if the new Alien novels from Titan were adapted into comic form.
Isn't Out of the Shadows the one where Ripley comes out of hypersleep between the first two movies? If so... yeah, no. That's dumb.
I think the premise was terrible, but the execution was terrific. It was fun to read a Ripley / Ash story too. It makes for a great "What if?" story. If you treat it that way, it's an excellent read. For Fox to say it's canon, is an insult to the intelligence of the fans though.
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Mar 04, 2016, 05:58:34 PM
I think the premise was terrible, but the execution was terrific. It was fun to read a Ripley / Ash story too. It makes for a great "What if?" story. If you treat it that way, it's an excellent read. For Fox to say it's canon, is an insult to the intelligence of the fans though.
Totally. Fun read, but not something one would ever say 'happened'. Lebbon couldn't even be bothered to count the cryotubes in the Narcissus, fer cryin' out loud... :P
The latest tease from Tristan!
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Looks like Seegson Security but the tag would imply not. Loving the DAO shotgun too!
Sweet! Loving the oldschool look mixed with the Marine-inspired armour.
Was sad we never really got to see Seegson Security in Isolation.
Are those Working Joes in uniforms? 8)
Love it, that art is too awesome, every piece we get makes the wait harder lol
Nice! I'm looking forward to seeing the different groups we see in this series.
Some thumbnails from Defiance #5. Is that Calpamos?
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https://twitter.com/tyrannojones/status/711345949424164864 (https://twitter.com/tyrannojones/status/711345949424164864)
Hard to tell without the colours but it does look like the Nostromo and the Refinery in orbit.
Calpamos, that was the ship in Out of the Shadows right? I thought that was destroyed.
Quote from: RidgeTop on Mar 21, 2016, 04:40:06 AM
Calpamos, that was the ship in Out of the Shadows right? I thought that was destroyed.
I think Calpamos was the sun around which LV 426 revolved..
Guess it's been a while since I've read that.
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Mar 21, 2016, 05:00:28 AM
Quote from: RidgeTop on Mar 21, 2016, 04:40:06 AM
Calpamos, that was the ship in Out of the Shadows right? I thought that was destroyed.
I think Calpamos was the sun around which LV 426 revolved..
It's the name given to the planet that LV426 was orbiting.
Quote from: RidgeTop on Mar 21, 2016, 04:40:06 AMCalpamos, that was the ship in Out of the Shadows right? I thought that was destroyed.
The was the Marion.
As Hicks says, Calpamos is the gas giant around which LV-426 orbits.
Right. It was one of the two. Does anyone know what their sun was named? We know it had a sun so it is not a non-solar system..
The stars would be Zeta Reticuli 1 and 2, I would assume. The system was known as Zeta2 Reticuli after the stars.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 16, 2016, 04:14:06 PM
The latest tease from Tristan!
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Looks like Seegson Security but the tag would imply not. Loving the DAO shotgun too!
Dat DAO-12... :D
Even in the far future, the overly dense and primitive human race still understands the necessity of combative readiness, and demonstrates this by the jaw-dropping, wrath-of-God glory of the automatic shotgun.
I've had an early read of the first issue of Defiance and it's already off to a fantastic start. Already taken a bunch of tropes and turned them on their heads. I'm even more excited to see where it goes from here.
Sweet!
Lucky! :laugh:
That's awesome though, can't wait until release date, seems like forever.
Very cool, Hicks! Why is Aliens Day still four weeks away? :laugh:
Quote from: Ultramorph on Mar 24, 2016, 04:49:00 PM
Very cool, Hicks! Why is Aliens Day still four weeks away? :laugh:
It's torture!!!
From Tristan's Twitter today:
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It's definitely a talent coming up with new designs that look like they really belong alongside the established technology of a fictional universe.
http://bigcomicpage.com/2016/04/01/bcp-interview-brian-wood-talks-aliens-defiance/
New interview with Brian Wood.
Where are you guys preordering Defiance from? I live in Dublin so need an Ireland/UK place.
A good old-fashioned comic shop.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Apr 01, 2016, 10:56:14 AM
A good old-fashioned comic shop.
Forbidden Planet ain't gonna be cheap is it?
There's an independent one just down the road from me called Proud Lion. That's where mines coming from
Quote from: tmjhur on Apr 01, 2016, 11:10:24 AMForbidden Planet ain't gonna be cheap is it?
No idea I'm afraid, this will be the first comic I've ever actually bought :P
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Apr 01, 2016, 11:26:38 AM
Quote from: tmjhur on Apr 01, 2016, 11:10:24 AMForbidden Planet ain't gonna be cheap is it?
No idea I'm afraid, this will be the first comic I've ever actually bought :P
It'll be my first comic too since I was about 10!
I shouldn't think it would be any more than the usual price. £3/4 per issue.
http://bigcomicpage.com/2016/04/01/advance-review-aliens-defiance-1-dark-horse-comics/
Spoiler-free. Rating: 4.5/5.
I had one tiny issue with it which I'll talk about when the comic comes out.
Another interview with Wood: http://whatchareading.com/talking-aliens-defiance-with-brian-wood/#.Vv5yNvkrJpg
Screen Rant has another variant for issue #1, exclusive to Fried Pie Comics. It is by Sachin Teng.
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http://screenrant.com/aliens-defiance-1-comic-book/ (http://screenrant.com/aliens-defiance-1-comic-book/)
I mean I like the Sachin Teng variants but I'm just not digging the style as much as the other variants
I like it, but I'm mostly curious if that slightly weird xenomorph is just artistic license or a hint at something that's coming later.
Just based on the other variants he's been doing, I would say its artistic licensce.
Not digging that one myself. A little too liberal with the design for my taste.
Guys, obviously it's been affected by the black goo! :laugh: jk
Via Tristan's Twitter:
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This art is so damn good! Just a few more weeks of waiting...
That's some sweet sweet alien art right there... Can't wait for that first issue!
It's funny that this will be first time I've collected a comic series during its initial run since the 90's lol. Thankfully I have the power of the internet now and won't have to worry about missing issue #4 because my local grocery didn't order it. Ahh to be a kid living in rural america in the 90's, Such a limited access to pop culture.
http://hulkingreviewer.com/home/reviews/aliens-defiance-1/
Spoiler-less review from the Hulking Reviewer.
Via Tristan's Twitter:
https://twitter.com/tyrannojones/status/721612171403079683 (https://twitter.com/tyrannojones/status/721612171403079683)
Look at the left-hand side of the image. It looks like that guy is getting egg-morphed to me. I know that it was already confirmed, but this looks to be our first glimpse.
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That or there's just an egg in front of him? Did we get eggmorphing confirmed? I can't remember.
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QuoteThe great Massimo Carnevale has painted my favourite new character in Aliens: Defiance. I'm absolutely stoked!
I'm really liking Carnevale's cover art.
Love that facehugger painting, looks awesome!
Dark Horse just dropped a trailer for Defiance #1 and the re-release of Book I.
http://www.ign.com/videos/2016/04/19/dark-horse-teases-upcoming-aliens-comics (http://www.ign.com/videos/2016/04/19/dark-horse-teases-upcoming-aliens-comics)
Maybe this link will work:
https://twitter.com/DarkHorseComics/status/722457675699585024 (https://twitter.com/DarkHorseComics/status/722457675699585024)
Not working for me. :-\
That looks epic! They could make a live-action comic out of that with the music and sound effects just like they did with the Watchmen.
The Defiance part of that was amazing. Says a lot that it actually managed to be creepy enough to genuinely send a shiver down my spine just with some art and some sound effects.
Hicks, is it not working for you in the sense that you don't like that awesomeness or are you unable to open the link?
"The original sequel to Aliens!". Well said..
It wont load the video. Even on the IGN page. I'll have to try it from work tomorrow.
Via Tristan's Twitter:
https://twitter.com/tyrannojones/status/722584348214448128 (https://twitter.com/tyrannojones/status/722584348214448128)
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His artwork is on a whole different level!
Also, I'm not saying that's Calpamos, but...
Also, am I seeing things, or is that...the Auriga? Please, correct me if I'm wrong.
*Mod Note - Added the image to the post. Corporal Hicks.
Not the Auriga (half the length, different cockpit/forward configuration), but deliberately a related model... ;)
Nice reference! The USM really was ramshackle if they were using ships that old. :D
I figure with Tech it reaches a point where the only thing different is the insides. Like game consoles, cars. Even look at ships and guns. We got a design that works, and it's barely changed. A few functional things here and there. Also, Brian's a Resurrection fan, so I figured I'd sneak at least one reference in. ;)
I think it's in the novelization where they say the Auriga was a ship they pulled out of mothballs. I love that reference!
Neat! Artwork's awesome, as always.
Getting a serious Sevastopol vibe off that first one!
Quote from: tyrannosaurusjones on Apr 20, 2016, 03:32:35 AMAlso, Brian's a Resurrection fan, so I figured I'd sneak at least one reference in. ;)
Interesting to hear of someone who isn't just constantly slating that film! It does get a bad rep.
Well there you go! I've not read the resurrection novel yet... Might have to get the audio books for while I draw! Bought all the novels ages ago, but clearly need them read to me!! ;)
And as for the Sevastopol vibe... this is a somewhat similar station, but it's single spire... I'll reveal the full thing later ;)
Quote from: tyrannosaurusjones on Apr 20, 2016, 08:46:18 AM
Well there you go! I've not read the resurrection novel yet... Might have to get the audio books for while I draw! Bought all the novels ages ago, but clearly need them read to me!! ;)
It's a better experience than the film, I think!
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QuoteDeskshot: Found a happy medium between the ridges look and the classic "Big Chap".
Things are not about to end well for that guy on the right.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Apr 18, 2016, 08:07:53 AM
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That or there's just an egg in front of him? Did we get eggmorphing confirmed? I can't remember.
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QuoteThe great Massimo Carnevale has painted my favourite new character in Aliens: Defiance. I'm absolutely stoked!
Thats beautiful work, both pencils and color. Very moody too
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Apr 20, 2016, 02:24:26 PM
Things are not about to end well for that guy on the right.
"Hey Mate you got something on your face, let me get it for you"
Defiance looks so amazing, that art is perfect for this universe.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Apr 20, 2016, 02:24:26 PM
Things are not about to end well for that guy on the right.
...Nor that guy on the left.
Can't next week be here now. This art would look amaze in the Dark Horse library format, the same as the complete fire and stone. Here's hoping the series does well and it sees a large reprint
This art already looks to me like its up there with Den Beauvais and mark A. Nelson...
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Apr 20, 2016, 08:05:44 PM
This art already looks to me like its up there with Den Beauvais and mark A. Nelson...
For me, so far from what I have seen, it's better. The level of detail is amazing and the atmosphere, even from preview pics, is completely 'Alien'. All the extra research and reference in Tristan's work is pushing this up high.
For me to say it's better, in my opinion, than Den and Mark is saying something because I hold them I such high regard.
Quote from: Russ840 on Apr 20, 2016, 08:38:10 PM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Apr 20, 2016, 08:05:44 PM
This art already looks to me like its up there with Den Beauvais and mark A. Nelson...
For me, so far from what I have seen, it's better. The level of detail is amazing and the atmosphere, even from preview pics, is completely 'Alien'. All the extra research and reference in Tristan's work is pushing this up high.
For me to say it's better, in my opinion, than Den and Mark is saying something because I hold them I such high regard.
I will say that the technical illustration is superior to Mark A. Nelson's. Nelson just sort of "went for it" and designed a bunch of gadgets, vehicles, and places that didn't really reflect the films nor any "common sense" design. If you stop to look at some of those designs, you quickly realize how implausible they are. I will say the Benedict was a really cool spaceship design and it was inspired by the shapes of the drop-ship. I haven't seen a spaceship design as good since then in the Aliens series.
Regarding Den Beauvais, I will have to wait until the Defiance book comes out to compare, but from a technical statndpoint, I can say that Den Beauvais was bulletproof. His designs in the book were clearly inspired by both Alien films up to that point and then he built a lot of great stuff on top of that. The colors were spot on. Often even incorporating some of the lighting techniques that James Cameron used. Even the bullet count on the M-41A was taken into account. Seriously take a look at the number of shells that were fired in relation to the counter. There was a lot of detail in there. Also, his perspectives were spot on. In those days, he didn't have the benefit of looking at a video game to get the objects and perspectives right.
Now mind you, the way Tristan does it is spot on as well. You should always use the best and most current tools at your disposal to get the illustrations right. I see that Tristan has done just that, and as an admirer of good comic book art, I can only appreciate it.
To be fair, I'm doing a lot more than just using Isolation for perspectives -- if that were the case then I'd be extremely limited given some of the locations we hit, but I AM using Isolation as a pretty strong reference point, just because in my mind, it nailed everything down, and a lot of the places we visit are places Sevastopol has (hospitals, fuel depots, airports, bars, office blocks, etc.) so seeing what's used and how is definitely something.
But to add to that, I wouldn't be doing this if it weren't for Denny or Mark. And Mark's been a tremendous support on Facebook. They laid the groundwork, and I'll add Plunkett to that, and Mignola. Even Maleev's AVP stuff was a big inspiration.
I hope what I said didn't come across the wrong way. What I'm saying is that there are now all these great tools at your disposal such as a much more fleshed-out EU world and also video games that, while some are better and some are worse, do help to set up the "places" which you might reference as an artist. It would be foolish to ignore all that. So the fact that you are referencing Isolation, and even Resurrection, is 100% spot on. That's what I would have done in your place, and so far the results have been fantastic. I can't wait to have the book in my hands. But by the same token, we have to give Denis Beauvais props for doing some amazing stuff without having those resources at hand. I mean if you look at every location that he painted, it literally works correctly with all the other locations. It's like he drew out a blueprint first and then filled everything in. It's uncanny, the amount of detail he put in, and he had virtually zero EU material to go by. He only had the 2 movies, plus the spaceship "The American" which Mark A. Nelson designed. That was everything. It was just a different "analog" reality that Beauvais was functioning in at that time, and your "digital" reality is different too.
The underpinning common denominator here is amazing talent. It shines through when we see your inking work prior to the addition of color and digital overlays. The stuff looks awesome. I haven't been this excited about an Aliens series in decades.
Oh, no, no, sorry I got you perfectly, I was writing that out on my phone and a bit distracted. Yeah, I think the thing is exactly as you say, now there's so much there that entrenches that universe as a particular thing that going the way Nelson and co did back then would feel off. It could work, but when something is so far from broken... ;)
For those who couldn't watch it on IGN.
Can't wait to get a copy in hand! I'm buying duplicates of the first few issues, trying to get my friend into it.
Quote from: tyrannosaurusjones on Apr 21, 2016, 04:07:33 AM
Oh, no, no, sorry I got you perfectly, I was writing that out on my phone and a bit distracted. Yeah, I think the thing is exactly as you say, now there's so much there that entrenches that universe as a particular thing that going the way Nelson and co did back then would feel off. It could work, but when something is so far from broken... ;)
Hey Tristan, just wanted to let you know how cool it is that you are checking in here at the forums, it's definitely appreciated :). I can't wait to get my copy of the 1st issue and I selfishly hope you get to work on more Aliens related projects going forward lol.
Quote from: 420Buddy on Apr 21, 2016, 03:46:59 PM...it's definitely appreciated :)
Apart from making the wait intolerable ;)
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Apr 21, 2016, 04:40:33 PM
Quote from: 420Buddy on Apr 21, 2016, 03:46:59 PM...it's definitely appreciated :)
Apart from making the wait intolerable ;)
I still can't believe Mista Fuk is this excited about a comic book. ;)
Not specifically Defiance-related, but Tristan has an awesome poster coming for an Australian screening of Aliens on Aliens Day.
https://twitter.com/tyrannojones/status/723374859804250112 (https://twitter.com/tyrannojones/status/723374859804250112)
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Excuse me while I stare at that art in awe lol
That is an amazing poster :o
Freaking awesome, but that's to be expected at this point :P
That is the weirdest damn totem pole I have ever seen. :laugh:
Awesome poster. I really like any art featuring The Engineers so much more than the movie versions.
That is just an awesome Poster
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So gorgeous! Tristan, try and sneak some out for us! :P
Only just noticed the giant Facehugger in the background now that I've seen it coloured! I thoguht the air sacs were Eggs before :)
Oh God yeah. I see it now
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Apr 25, 2016, 11:04:31 AM
Only just noticed the giant Facehugger in the background now that I've seen it coloured! I thoguht the air sacs were Eggs before :)
Yep! Deliberately set it up so it could be seen as the throne... ;)
Game of Hugs.
That looks really great. I hope it ends up also in a compiled volume of Aliens: Defiance, as I need to have that in my bookshelf.
It's amazing how much of a different impact the colored vs. non-colored versions of the Tristan's art has. Both have a unique flair yet are equally valid. I really hope DH considers putting out a version of the book in full color and in B&W to fully appreciate the ink-work. Even if the single issues don't allow for that, it would be great to see a TPB all B&W...
Thanks for the kind words, guys... let's say I were to hold some of these aside for special folks that can't fly down to Australia for this thing... how many would be interested?
Quote from: tyrannosaurusjones on Apr 25, 2016, 11:21:50 PM
Thanks for the kind words, guys... let's say I were to hold some of these aside for special folks that can't fly down to Australia for this thing... how many would be interested?
I would be interested for one!! ;D really with a lil baby at home and not much cash left for this stuff, let's just say it would make my year lol.
I would really love one but it would be wasted on me as I don't have the wall space. It would make my day though if someone else who really enjoys the art on here got one instead. But I do hope to see the poster included in Aliens Defiance TPB. Cheers!
Quote from: tyrannosaurusjones on Apr 25, 2016, 11:21:50 PMThanks for the kind words, guys... let's say I were to hold some of these aside for special folks that can't fly down to Australia for this thing... how many would be interested?
I'd love one if there's one going! Very kind of you to offer!
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Quote from: tyrannosaurusjones on Apr 25, 2016, 11:21:50 PM
Thanks for the kind words, guys... let's say I were to hold some of these aside for special folks that can't fly down to Australia for this thing... how many would be interested?
I would love one, since i cant get to Australia
Anyone have a pic of the "Alien Day" Variant cover to Defiance?
Quote from: tyrannosaurusjones on Apr 25, 2016, 11:21:50 PM
Thanks for the kind words, guys... let's say I were to hold some of these aside for special folks that can't fly down to Australia for this thing... how many would be interested?
I don't think I would be worthy of your amazing work, dude. It's a thing of beauty and would love a copy.
Quote from: tyrannosaurusjones on Apr 25, 2016, 11:21:50 PM
Thanks for the kind words, guys... let's say I were to hold some of these aside for special folks that can't fly down to Australia for this thing... how many would be interested?
That'd be really sick.
Would be interested.
The poster looks amazing.
Tristan. How long are you on 'Defiance' ?
I'll throw my name in the pot as well, that's one cool poster.
*raises hand for a potential copy*
;D
Quote from: Russ840 on Apr 26, 2016, 09:25:22 PM
Tristan. How long are you on 'Defiance' ?
As long as you guys have it on your standing orders. I'm taking two issues off so I can catch back up, because I was running behind from a job I was on prior to Defiance, but I'm aiming to stay on as long as possible!
As for everyone interested in the posters... DM me and I'll see what I can sort out!
Quote from: vikingspawn on Apr 26, 2016, 09:09:26 PMAnyone have a pic of the "Alien Day" Variant cover to Defiance?
They did one?
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From Tristan's Facebook. Looks like an Aurora-class ship from Stargate Atlantis! Love it.
Isn't issue #1 out today?
Yep, and i spent too much yesterday so TFAW can't send my issue, bank account is so empty a dust ball just rolled through.
Good thing payday is friday
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Apr 27, 2016, 01:13:46 PM
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From Tristan's Facebook. Looks like an Aurora-class ship from Stargate Atlantis! Love it.
This is what good sci-fi comics should be..
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Apr 27, 2016, 07:56:23 AM
Quote from: vikingspawn on Apr 26, 2016, 09:09:26 PMAnyone have a pic of the "Alien Day" Variant cover to Defiance?
They did one?
Here it is:
https://twitter.com/HansStephanie
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Nice!
Having followed that image through Google, I found this interview with Brian Wood and Tristan Jones that I think is new. It certainly has some work-in-progress art I've never seen before.
EDIT: Would help if I included the link :P Here: clicky (http://io9.gizmodo.com/a-new-kind-of-marine-battles-the-xenomorphs-in-aliens-1773135397).
I picked up the digital copy and read it just now. This series is off to a great start! I already like the mystery that's being set up, and Tristan's art is fantastic. It's going to be painful waiting a month for the next one!
Hicks, you said you had one nitpick. What was it?
I've never bought an Aliens comic in my life for some reason apart from Dredd Incubus which was great as I enjoy Dredd and Henry Flint draws an awesome Alien.
But I downloaded this today and really enjoyed it. The artwork is fantastic!
Comixolgy have an Alien sale on...any recommendations?
Quote from: drsmuts on Apr 27, 2016, 06:14:20 PM
I've never bought an Aliens comic in my life for some reason apart from Dredd Incubus which was great as I enjoy Dredd and Henry Flint draws an awesome Alien.
But I downloaded this today and really enjoyed it. The artwork is fantastic!
Comixolgy have an Alien sale on...any recommendations?
Glad you enjoyed it!
You may want to check out Aliens Book two which has 4 issues, by Mark Verheiden and Denis Beauvais... That had amazing art and a pretty good story too. If you want the first part of that, you would want to go with ALIENS: Book One by Mark Verheiden and Mark A. Nelson. It had 6 issues, plus a short side-bar story from Dark Horse Presents #24. All of these works are now combined in various volumes.
I just grabbed a digital copy as well. Haven't read it yet but I'm about to sit down & do so. My download came with 4 covers.
What was the fourth? There's the standard version, the Hans variant, the Nelson variant... What else?
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Apr 27, 2016, 06:49:11 PM
What was the fourth? There's the standard version, the Hans variant, the Nelson variant... What else?
Sorry, for some reason the jpg's are too big for me to attach on here so I just posted all 4 covers on my facebook instead. Here's the link..
https://www.facebook.com/bobby.rafuse.7/media_set?set=a.10153573885472551.1073741893.589382550&type=3&uploaded=4 (https://www.facebook.com/bobby.rafuse.7/media_set?set=a.10153573885472551.1073741893.589382550&type=3&uploaded=4)
Ah yes, come to think of it I think I have seen that fourth piece of artwork before. Thanks!
What the heck is up with the "DHP Presents" over the Mark A. Nelson cover? That ain't the plan!!!
No prob HuDaFuk!
Yea I dunno on the cover man, that's just what came in my download. Just gonna start digging into it.
Just finished reading this. It's interesting. The synthetic soldiers are a cool idea. The comic is trying to be very cinematic. The art is pretty good too. Nice to see special order 937 return
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Apr 27, 2016, 06:58:11 PMWhat the heck is up with the "DHP Presents" over the Mark A. Nelson cover? That ain't the plan!!!
It's one of their special 30th anniversary covers, all of which are based on an issue of
Dark Horse Presents.
Predator: Life and Death had one too:
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I'm enjoying it so far. Not very far in but nice to see Amanda Ripley make an appearance. As stated above it's very cinematic. I could very easily picture this being done as a live action show. 45min episodes type deal.
F-ing awesome. Love it. Great work guys.
I get what they're doing with the DHP covers. I just wish it didn't happen to the Mark A. Nelson cover, but it's no biggie I guess.
Just finished reading the issue. Was a pretty good start. Looking forward to see where it goes.I got a little screwed up at the beginning because I've been reading a lot of manga lately so I had to remind myself a few times to read the comic the other way :P
Cheers I will check them out.
Quote from: tyrannosaurusjones on Apr 25, 2016, 11:21:50 PM
Thanks for the kind words, guys... let's say I were to hold some of these aside for special folks that can't fly down to Australia for this thing... how many would be interested?
I would love a copy as well
Tristan, I finished reading the first issue of defiance today and I was blown away by the art. I haven't seen an artist capture the gritty feel of the first alien till now. It blew me away. Simply amazing. Cant wait till next month for the next issue.
Books A Million has one of the covers available on their online store along with the Doug Wheatley Predator Life/Death #1 variant.
http://www.booksamillion.com/p/Aliens/Sachin-Teng/9781492490333?id=6291235103657
Is there a gallery on the forums to keep track of the new variants?
I bet more different variants will start to pop up as the San Diego Comicon gets closer and other upcoming conventions.
I put on the soundtrack for ALIEN 3 and just immersed myself in this comic.
What a fun read. I really enjoyed it.
Thank you, Tristan, for being so faithful with the artwork and thank you, Brian, for writing an interesting and quite original intrigue, the community has been lacking this for a while.
Quote from: Ultramorph on Apr 27, 2016, 04:40:30 PM
Hicks, you said you had one nitpick. What was it?
It was just insanely petty on my part. It was a Conestoga-alike ship with Nostromo styled interior and a Seegson OS. Did nothing to diminish the experience but just struck me as a little odd.
Looking forward to picking up my copies! I've ordered doubles of the first few for Shevvie (my friend who occasionally joins me on the podcast). Going to try and get him into comics!
Wow, this first one is fantastic. I have high hopes for this run. ;D
Picked it up today and thoroughly enjoyed. Lovely to see so much of the new Alien universe referenced in the art!
Quote from: robbritton on Apr 28, 2016, 08:33:10 PM
Lovely to see so much of the new Alien universe referenced in the art!
Could you elaborate on this? (in spoiler tags if necessary I guess)
Quote from: Xenomrph on Apr 28, 2016, 10:37:10 PM
Quote from: robbritton on Apr 28, 2016, 08:33:10 PM
Lovely to see so much of the new Alien universe referenced in the art!
Could you elaborate on this? (in spoiler tags if necessary I guess)
There's various elements used that were introduced in Isolation.
Isolation expanded the the Alien world greatly so no complaints here.
I was gonna pass on that one due to the pesky comments from the creators about Aliens, but then Ive read the entire thread and decided to give it a go, its too intriguing and I love some of Tristans ideas such as warrior/drone thing, hope itll be in the series. Im heading to a comic store tomorrow
Quote from: StrangeShape on Apr 29, 2016, 01:15:26 AM
I was gonna pass on that one due to the pesky comments from the creators about Aliens, but then Ive read the entire thread and decided to give it a go, its too intriguing and I love some of Tristans ideas such as warrior/drone thing, hope itll be in the series. Im heading to a comic store tomorrow
Please do. And understand, we all love Aliens, I just don't think it's aged as well as the others and I'm not a HUGE fan of the writing, but that's an across the board thing with James Cameron for me.
Also, I really, really, really, love your blog. Great source of thought out posts and reference material!
Quote from: tyrannosaurusjones on Apr 29, 2016, 01:23:59 AM
Also, I really, really, really, love your blog. Great source of thought out posts and reference material!
I know this is silly but I never noticed you had a link to Valaquen's blog in your signature, Shapes. Do you help him out?
Quote from: StrangeShape on Apr 29, 2016, 01:15:26 AM
I was gonna pass on that one due to the pesky comments from the creators about Aliens, but then Ive read the entire thread and decided to give it a go, its too intriguing and I love some of Tristans ideas such as warrior/drone thing, hope itll be in the series. Im heading to a comic store tomorrow
You wont be disappointed. I absolutely loved #1 and would recommend everyone go pick it off. It's an absolutely solid start to the series in story and artwork terms. It feels fresh in the story but it also feels so right in the artwork. It all just works. I can't wait to see more! I'm getting extra copies for Shevvie - who hates comics but loves Alien - and I'm really curious to see how he reacts to this!
Some more artwork pilfered from Tristan's page.
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Quote from: tmjhur on Apr 29, 2016, 12:14:07 AM
Quote from: Xenomrph on Apr 28, 2016, 10:37:10 PM
Quote from: robbritton on Apr 28, 2016, 08:33:10 PM
Lovely to see so much of the new Alien universe referenced in the art!
Could you elaborate on this? (in spoiler tags if necessary I guess)
There's various elements used that were introduced in Isolation.
Isolation expanded the the Alien world greatly so no complaints here.
Also Prometheus-esque moon base seen near the start. But yeah, mostly Isolation stuff. Am hoping for some of the better design elements from
Colonial Marines to find some redemption here too!
I'm just hoping Tristan snuck in that old Pulse Rifle like shotgun in there somewhere!
Is Defiance set before or after the events of Isolation?
Before at the minute.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Apr 29, 2016, 11:50:05 AM
Before at the minute.
Was just wondering due to the cameo.
I think they'll have a lot of explaining to do in the story regarding
Spoiler
the androids going rogue from their programming. Doesn't really make sense how they can just "want" to change their programming. Didn't buy it anyway.
Also is Defiance coming out monthly?
I like to look at DAVIS-01 as being the "ASH" of the lot. These basic models aren't tended to as closely, and are prone to things being overlooked because they're considered expendable. Because these are "adaptive" AI, like David, they're inclined to seek different outcomes based on their experiences. Davis-01 obviously being the first of that run of 12 has been up and about longer, and his experiences would be different to the rest. In his adaptive learning, he's figured out that his current software/coding needed upgrading, and in doing that to himself basically unlocked significant advances in his own adaptive AI. It's Skynet type stuff. The AI has found a way to bypass certain protocols without completely disregarding basic ones and advanced its own standing. Here, it sees the greater good, rather than "omission of action cannot allow the harm of another human being" Bishop runs with. Also consider -- Davis is based on David. If you add the finer details -- eye colour, hair, fingernails, etc. It's David. There's a misconception that these are Joes. They're basically out of the bag Davids in my mind; somewhere between Joes and Davids. He's an almost obsolete design and a cheap mould to be cast from having been around for so long.
BUT, knowing the propensity for bugs in systems in AI and even just straight up every day computers, Davis-01 might also have had conflicting coding, resulting in said conflict of interests, resulting in the upgrades, resulting in the AWOL move.
And hey -- if Call could do it...
Also, that flashback is set before Isolation, the rest is set after. I think...
Yeah it's a couple of days after Isolation.
I read Davis simply as having conflicting priorities.
Quote from: tyrannosaurusjones on Apr 29, 2016, 01:23:59 AM
Also, I really, really, really, love your blog. Great source of thought out posts and reference material!
Its a great, great blog based on facts and facts only, but its not mine ;)
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Apr 29, 2016, 07:31:40 AM
Quote from: tyrannosaurusjones on Apr 29, 2016, 01:23:59 AM
Also, I really, really, really, love your blog. Great source of thought out posts and reference material!
I know this is silly but I never noticed you had a link to Valaquen's blog in your signature, Shapes. Do you help him out?
I help him out in small ways, but me and Johnny (Valaquen) go waaaaay back and we're very good online buddies for a very long time, and we both are staff members of JamesCameronOnline, hence why the two in my signature.Well that and I think theyre great fan sources based on facts only that shed a lot of light on different things and debunk many fan myths.
QuoteYou wont be disappointed. I absolutely loved #1 and would recommend everyone go pick it off. It's an absolutely solid start to the series in story and artwork terms. It feels fresh in the story but it also feels so right in the artwork. It all just works. I can't wait to see more! I'm getting extra copies for Shevvie - who hates comics but loves Alien - and I'm really curious to see how he reacts to this!
For me, Fire and Stone really surprised me at how really good it was. Terrific vibe and feel also, and I thought to myself that its unlikely anything's gonna match it anytime soon because I thought its the best Alien story since Apocalypse. Reading the whole thread made it too tempting for me not to pick up Defiance tho and give it a chance
Defiance imo feels very Isolation oriented, which is terrific. I like the inclusion of the synthetics, good or bad, they look creepy as hell. The artwork shines the most, very Plunkett-like, very horror-like even thought we havent really gotten any horrific moments yet (cant wait to see the eggmoprhing). Someone here criticized the book for the Alien design...umm, from what I see, and trust me, Im a nut about the details of the alien designs, its the same alien as we know it from Alien and Aliens (they were nearly identical). Same guy claimed its the ADI design which is as ill informed as can be, because the ADI designs were completely different than those of the first two movies. Yes, there is the inclusion of ADI's hips/pelvis area which werent there in the original two and the feet belong to the Isolation, but in no way you can call these ADI aliens
Overall, interesting, albeit brief, beginning and btw it was the last copy on the stands that I picked up
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Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Apr 29, 2016, 07:31:40 AM
I know this is silly but I never noticed you had a link to Valaquen's blog in your signature, Shapes. Do you help him out?
I help him out in small ways, but me and Johnny (Valaquen) go waaaaay back and we're very good online buddies for a very long time, and we both are staff members of JamesCameronOnline, hence why the two in my signature.Well that and I think theyre great fan sources based on facts only that shed a lot of light on different things and debunk many fan myths.
Yeah, StrangeShape and I go way, way back (and if there's a cool image at the header of an article on the blog, it's his work!) It's all good 8)
Finished this yesterday. I was amazed at Amanda's cameo appearance and the plot did bring out some interesting concepts. It definitely has an Isolation vibe and it's not just because of her presence.
EDIT:
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Why do I get the feeling that the story will be divided into 2 or 3 parts (read: Xenomorph infested stations) spread over 3-4 issues each?
Just read the first issue.
I've said before how I'm really not a fan of comics, but I genuinely enjoyed this and look forward to the next one. I liked how it had a measured pace and was mostly just story set-up, and I liked that said set-up was genuinely interesting. Davis seems like he has potential to be an interesting character. The Ripley cameo honestly felt a tad forced but all the same I liked that it was there and that the comic references the game. The art is superb.
Yeah, liked it a lot.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on May 01, 2016, 07:02:45 PM
Just read the first issue.
I've said before how I'm really not a fan of comics, but I genuinely enjoyed this and look forward to the next one. I liked how it had a measured pace and was mostly just story set-up, and I liked that said set-up was genuinely interesting. Davis seems like he has potential to be an interesting character. The Ripley cameo honestly felt a tad forced but all the same I liked that it was there and that the comic references the game. The art is superb.
Yeah, liked it a lot.
Dude. I am pleased you liked it. Being a comic fan and seeing that that medium is not you normal foray, it's great to see this book reaching you. I thought it was excellent.
So is Defiance monthly or bi-weekly?
Both Defiance and Life & Death are monthly.
Another tease from the wonderful Tristan.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Chh0BdVXEAAJjDy.jpg:large)
Read this for a third time today. Love it. I never read a comic a second time, so quickly, let alone three times.
When is issue 2 released ?
May 25th! Ages away!!
I just realised we haven't shared any of the reviews.
http://www.comicbookresources.com/comic-review/aliens-defiance-1-dark-horse-comics
http://comicbookroundup.com/comic-books/reviews/dark-horse-comics/aliens-defiance/1
http://www.comicbastards.com/comics/review-aliens-defiance-1/
http://thegww.com/the-hunt-begins-in-aliens-defiance-1-review/
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Apr 28, 2016, 11:34:49 AM
It was just insanely petty on my part. It was a Conestoga-alike ship with Nostromo styled interior and a Seegson OS. Did nothing to diminish the experience but just struck me as a little odd.
I take that back actually. I was re-reading the comic before work this morning and they make a point of mentioning the Seegson OS on the ship as it's a Seegson owned ship.
FREE COMIC DAY, FOLKS!! Make sure you get in and grab yourselves the Defiance short! It's a fun glimpse into the future... ;)
That the one in the same comic as Serenity and Hellboy? If so i already got it ;)
Then give it a flick through and tell us! :laugh:
If I can get my Mrs to get out of bed, should hopefully be going out to pick one up.
Man its brilliant. The artwork is fantastic and such a great short :)
What are the odds it gets collected in a Defiance trade paperback/"complete" collection, like the Hicks story did with Fire and Stone?
I picked up the free comic. Was a lil confusing since I have not been able to get a copy of defiance one yet. It appears to be a snippet of a comic coming later in the series I'm not sure. I thought it was going to be a prequel story. Art was great and it was pretty cool. Wish they had used an aliens cover instead of serenity
Got my free comic today, it is awesome. I think this run will soon become my favorite, possibly even beating labyrinth. The story is fantastic and I absolutely love the cohesion it brings to the series: The lunar base that looks like the Mars base from Prometheus, the various sets that look like they come from the Nostromo, the HG 37 and Seegson from Isolation, Dropships and pulse rifles from Aliens and now the M39 SMG from Colonial Marines. And say what you like about Aliens Colonial Marines but some of the designs were fantastic.
Now we just need some set designs from Alien 3.
Can you give us a run-down of what happens in the free comic?
This free comic came from out of nowhere unless I missed something. I hope that does not mean that I missed out on this issue, as I really want to own this complete series.
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on May 08, 2016, 04:51:46 AM
This free comic came from out of nowhere unless I missed something. I hope that does not mean that I missed out on this issue, as I really want to own this complete series.
It was announced sometime ago.
The free comic takes place at an unspecified point in time after the first issue.
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In it, Zula and a female named Dr. Hollis are on the Europa. They are cornered by a number of aliens, it does not specify where they have come from. One can only assume that the crew of the Europa picked up Dr. Hollis and more aliens while at LV-44-40. Meanwhile the Europa is in an uncontrolled reentry with a planet designated W76. To save the women Davis blows a hatch sucking the women and the aliens out into the planet's atmosphere. Davis adjusts the reentry of the ship so the women can get back onboard. From there Zula uses a M39 SMG to blast an alien off the hull.
It is obviously short, and I wonder if it is just a snip-it from an upcoming comic. Which is a little disappointing. I was hoping for a little prequel, something about Zula's past, which would add to the overall story, not just a preview. Still very cool, the artwork and storytelling are top notch.
As the first issue came out on the iPad from Dark horse's on-line store, I read the first issue. Seemed OK, so far, in terms of atmosphere (felt similar to the original '
Book 1' vibe).
I do agree, however, that a certain cameo felt as forced as it was (or at least seemed) inconsequential. Unless something is done with it later on, it seems like it would have been better without it.
Also, as someone else referenced... The synthetic contradictions:
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I felt a little confused, firstly, at why Weyland-Yutani would have synthetics specifically built for acting like human soldiers. It's one of those things which is often in the games, but never makes much sense. If you're wanting what amounts to a weaponised drone, then there's no point in making it so fragile and humanoid. Something like that should look properly armoured and like Skynet designed it. Something you really could picture being commercially successful by being put on battlefields or corporate security detail.
It never felt terribly logical when it happened in 'Book 1' and it doesn't feel very logical here.
Nevertheless, what really made me WTF, is the synthetic who just, as was pointed out, decide to go against its very programming. Computers don't work like that... Directives are just that: Directives. It would go about its business until something contradicted those directives. It can't just go, "Yeah, don't want to do that..." That's the whole point of being a walking computer! :)
And, to make it stranger, the lead character even points this out to the readers and then no longer seems to care.
Now, if I was being sneaky, I might think to myself that this is not, in fact, as contradictory as it appears. That maybe the synthetic is lying and there's some kind of dastardly plan underway. But having the lead character not realise how much of a whiff of bullshit that gives off, makes her seem... Not exactly the brightest.
Quote from: DemonicD13 on May 08, 2016, 12:49:21 PMIt is obviously short, and I wonder if it is just a snip-it from an upcoming comic. Which is a little disappointing.
That does suck. I was hoping it'd be an original tie-in.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 08, 2016, 07:45:34 AM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on May 08, 2016, 04:51:46 AM
This free comic came from out of nowhere unless I missed something. I hope that does not mean that I missed out on this issue, as I really want to own this complete series.
It was announced sometime ago.
Oh, in that case it went completely over my head. My bad.
The free comic is now available on Dark Horse digital, for free of course!
https://digital.darkhorse.com/profile/6796.free-comic-book-day-2016-serenity/
Links, God damnit people! :laugh: I love that they've released that on the web. That's a classy move. Just about to check it out now.
Just given it a read. It does seem to be a snippet from a future issue with perhaps some altered text to make it a little more "trailery", which is a shame. I'd hoped it would be a fresh side story.
Liked the inclusion of the ACM SMG though. And was that meant to be a Praetorian...?
It seems like a snippet at first glance but I think it was written specifically as a tease for this.
Looks like a Praetorian. Tristan had some artwork on his DeviantArt of a Praetorian that looks badass. I think he's kept the same approach for the comic.
You'll see more of that thing in the future... Like, in an issue's time... ;)
Basically I came up with a way of fitting egg-morphing back into the biology. It was approved, it was cleared, but at the last minute we had to change this ability from the Big Chap to something else, so I basically changed the Big Chap a bit and gave it the head you see (I always loved the grins the ones from Colonial Marines had) because of... stuff I can't talk about. Either way, I'm happy. I love drawing that f**kin' thing! And I'm sort of changing up the aliens JUST a little from book to book to give them a bit more of that diversity... but that's something I'll hopefully clear up down the road in the story too. Nothing as tremendous as this, but you'll see different ridge formations and body shapes from time to time.
It's a shame it couldn't have stayed big chap like in the version I got on free comic book day. It would have created some nice symmetry with the first film. Not a really big deal though and I like the new design as well.
So basically theres gonna be a new type of aliens introduced that can eggmorph. Thats cool, although in the first movie we've seen Kanes Son being able to do it, so thats too bad they didnt let you guys go that way. As of today, the only source marrying the two procreation methods is the Alien 3 novelization, and as of today the only source hinting at the explanation of the existence of both ridged and smooth head aliens is the Aliens movie itself (the chestburster was born with smooth head, therefore hinting at ridges coming with age)
The egg morphing was only in the DC, and while the method isn't outright dismissed it's not openly acknowledged either. At least at the moment.
Aliens F&S has both smooth and ridge headed Aliens stowing away on the Onager from Hadley. Prometheus and AvP both just have the ridged versions.
Quote from: SM on May 11, 2016, 10:42:29 PM
The egg morphing was only in the DC, and while the method isn't outright dismissed it's not openly acknowledged either. At least at the moment.
Aliens F&S has both smooth and ridge headed Aliens stowing away on the Onager from Hadley. Prometheus and AvP both just have the ridged versions.
I think you may misremember it, I just checked and couldnt find any smooth head aliens in Aliens F&S
The Weyland Yutani report also hypothesises about the correlation between ridges and domes, and who can egg-morph and why. That's largely what I've built it out of, but the idea with the "praetorian" type is that it sort of takes the role of the hive mind (to a lesser extent) until a queen rocks up, which was basically what I had planned for the domes.
Quote from: StrangeShape on May 11, 2016, 11:30:31 PM
Quote from: SM on May 11, 2016, 10:42:29 PM
The egg morphing was only in the DC, and while the method isn't outright dismissed it's not openly acknowledged either. At least at the moment.
Aliens F&S has both smooth and ridge headed Aliens stowing away on the Onager from Hadley. Prometheus and AvP both just have the ridged versions.
I think you may misremember it, I just checked and couldnt find any smooth head aliens in Aliens F&S
Issue 1
One kills a marine as they're boarding the Onager on page 5.
A smooth head and ridge head watch the Onager leave on page 9.
One crawling out of Onager on page 16.
Two attacking colonists on page 17.
Remaining issues all seem to be ridged.
Quote from: tyrannosaurusjones on May 12, 2016, 12:16:27 AM
The Weyland Yutani report also hypothesises about the correlation between ridges and domes, and who can egg-morph and why. That's largely what I've built it out of, but the idea with the "praetorian" type is that it sort of takes the role of the hive mind (to a lesser extent) until a queen rocks up, which was basically what I had planned for the domes.
Ah, got it. I have high hopes itll turn out well
Quote from: SM on May 12, 2016, 12:22:17 AM
Quote from: StrangeShape on May 11, 2016, 11:30:31 PM
Quote from: SM on May 11, 2016, 10:42:29 PM
The egg morphing was only in the DC, and while the method isn't outright dismissed it's not openly acknowledged either. At least at the moment.
Aliens F&S has both smooth and ridge headed Aliens stowing away on the Onager from Hadley. Prometheus and AvP both just have the ridged versions.
I think you may misremember it, I just checked and couldnt find any smooth head aliens in Aliens F&S
Issue 1
One kills a marine as they're boarding the Onager on page 5.
A smooth head and ridge head watch the Onager leave on page 9.
One crawling out of Onager on page 16.
Two attacking colonists on page 17.
Remaining issues all seem to be ridged.
Ah yes, missed it
Quote from: StrangeShape on May 11, 2016, 10:27:06 PM
So basically theres gonna be a new type of aliens introduced that can eggmorph. Thats cool, although in the first movie we've seen Kanes Son being able to do it, so thats too bad they didnt let you guys go that way. As of today, the only source marrying the two procreation methods is the Alien 3 novelization, and as of today the only source hinting at the explanation of the existence of both ridged and smooth head aliens is the Aliens movie itself (the chestburster was born with smooth head, therefore hinting at ridges coming with age)
The W-Y Archive on the AvPRequiem bluray also mentions eggmorphing as a possible alternate reproductive method in the absence of a Queen.
Quote from: SM on May 11, 2016, 10:42:29 PM
The egg morphing was only in the DC, and while the method isn't outright dismissed it's not openly acknowledged either. At least at the moment.
The Alien 3 novelization acknowledged it which was something I enjoyed. It may only be in the Director's Cut but I've been wanting to see eggmorphing make a reappearance somewhere down the line. I was a little disappointed it didn't materialize in Isolation. I'm really looking forward to seeing it in Defiance!
Quote from: tyrannosaurusjones on May 12, 2016, 12:16:27 AM
The Weyland Yutani report also hypothesises about the correlation between ridges and domes, and who can egg-morph and why. That's largely what I've built it out of, but the idea with the "praetorian" type is that it sort of takes the role of the hive mind (to a lesser extent) until a queen rocks up, which was basically what I had planned for the domes.
Just out of curiosity, why did you have to go down that route? The Praetorians are largely just presented a premature Queens, waiting their chance to take a crown. How come you couldn't use the smooth headed ones?
Just red the FCBD comic, it was a fun read. I like the new xeno design, and I'm looking forward to seeing what happens with eggmorphing and the morphology.
CBR has a preview of issue #2. Beware of spoilers, as usual.
http://www.comicbookresources.com/comic-previews/aliens-defiance-2-dark-horse-comics-2016 (http://www.comicbookresources.com/comic-previews/aliens-defiance-2-dark-horse-comics-2016)
I just picked up the first issue and even managed to secure an extra copy of the free comic today. The art is terrific and i'm already sucked into the story. I was very pleased to see Amanda Ripley make a cameo appearance. So far I am loving the material I am seeing for these last two years.
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Issue 5 cover artwork.
Meh. Just kinda so so to me. I'm not really that impressed with today's art. To me, today's art seems far less realistic looking then it did in the 90s. I mean, put a cover like this up against say Earth War #1. Doesn't even compare. Not saying this is horrible because it's not but certainly not that impressed either.
I think it just depends on the artist really, not so much the era. I think Dormans variant for Prometheus L&D is amazing though.
There have been stinkers and great ones since the Aliens comics have started. To be honest though, while the Defiance covers are decent, the style isnt really up my alley either.
The interior art for Defiance is phenominal though, the art is some of the best ive seen for an alien series. It's right up there with Nelson, Plunkett, and den beauvais.
Yea that's true too. I guess today's artists just aren't really my taste but I do agree the interior arts I have no problem with & the stories are still good. At the same time though a lot of times, the cover of a comic will either make or break it for me of whether I pick it up or not. I don't completely hate the art of the covers, but yea they're just not really up my alley for the kind of art I like. I actually wouldn't mind seeing an Alien comic done by someone from the world of the Heavy Metal comics. I always loved those covers
I started reading the Aliens series with issue 2 of the very first Mark A. Nelson, Mark Verheiden series. Back in those days, the interior artist was also the exterior artist. This was a great arrangement because it allowed the interior art style to shine through, and the reader got a good idea of what to expect from the inside. When Aliens: Earth War rolled around, this approach was shelved. For some reason, we didn't get to see Sam Kieth's art on the exterior of the books, and we were introduced to the artistic stylings of John Bolton. Perhaps in that case, wisdom prevailed. This system has been in effect ever since those days (on and off) sometimes to good effect and other times, not so much.
I believe that we are at a stage now where the art inside the book is more appealing than the art on the covers. The cover art is not bad in and of itself, it is just not on the same level as what is happening on the interior. Mind you, the workmanship of the exterior art is of a very high level. It just doesn't carry the vibe of the interior, and that vibe is sheer magic.
There's a review of #2 up now. It's very positive, but beware of spoilers.
https://popcultureuncovered.com/2016/05/17/review-brew-aliens-defiance-2/ (https://popcultureuncovered.com/2016/05/17/review-brew-aliens-defiance-2/)
I can't wait to see
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Tristan's take on the queen!
Urgh. Can this wait be over! I'm looking forward to seeing Tristan's hive!
Finally got issue #1!
I loved it, art is simply top notch and it feels very in-universe and very cinematic for a comic. Great start with and intriguing story, I can't wait for issue #2 to get here. This is gonna be a great series. I can't wait to see the tpb and what art they'll use.
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Did I see some eggmorphing on some monitors in this issue? I think I did, I can't stress how awesome the art is in this series.
Quote from: 420Buddy on May 21, 2016, 03:08:41 AM
Finally got issue #1!
I loved it, art is simply top notch and it feels very in-universe and very cinematic for a comic. Great start with and intriguing story, I can't wait for issue #2 to get here. This is gonna be a great series. I can't wait to see the tpb and what art they'll use.
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Did I see some eggmorphing on some monitors in this issue? I think I did, I can't stress how awesome the art is in this series.
Yes you did mate. Tristan confirmed this and said he is bringing it back and fitting it in to the cycle.
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Quote from: 420Buddy on May 21, 2016, 03:08:41 AM
Finally got issue #1!
I loved it, art is simply top notch and it feels very in-universe and very cinematic for a comic. Great start with and intriguing story, I can't wait for issue #2 to get here. This is gonna be a great series. I can't wait to see the tpb and what art they'll use.
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Did I see some eggmorphing on some monitors in this issue? I think I did, I can't stress how awesome the art is in this series.
Yes you did mate. Tristan confirmed this and said he is bringing it back and fitting it in to the cycle.
I knew it had been confirmed but I didn't know we would get a glimpse in the first issue :)
You may not see it again until around #12 though... Also, if you like what you're seeing, make sure you write to Dark Horse and let them know! We have plans for beyond #12, but it sorta relies on you guys keeping us afloat a bit ;)
Quote from: tyrannosaurusjones on May 21, 2016, 02:23:33 PM
You may not see it again until around #12 though... Also, if you like what you're seeing, make sure you write to Dark Horse and let them know! We have plans for beyond #12, but it sorta relies on you guys keeping us afloat a bit ;)
Will do! I hope to see this go on for as long as possible.
Quote from: Ultramorph on May 21, 2016, 02:39:39 PM
Quote from: tyrannosaurusjones on May 21, 2016, 02:23:33 PM
You may not see it again until around #12 though... Also, if you like what you're seeing, make sure you write to Dark Horse and let them know! We have plans for beyond #12, but it sorta relies on you guys keeping us afloat a bit ;)
Will do! I hope to see this go on for as long as possible.
I agree! I'll write them and let them know how great this series is.
Just read issue 1.
Outstanding.
There hasn't been anything of this quality since the heyday of DH's Alien comics in the early 90's. So glad they got a good colorist for Tristan's art!
http://hulkingreviewer.com/home/reviews/aliens-defiance-2/ - 9.5
https://bigcomicpage.com/2016/05/23/review-aliens-defiance-2-dark-horse-comics/ - 4/5
According to Chapters.ca, Aliens Defiance Vol 1 TPB will be our on Feb 7, 2017.
Can't wait.
https://www.chapters.indigo.ca/en-ca/books/aliens-defiance-volume-1/9781506701264-item.html?ikwid=aliens&ikwsec=Books&ikwidx=30
160 pages...
Amazon confirms it:
http://www.amazon.com/Aliens-Defiance-1-Brian-Wood/dp/1506701264/ref=sr_1_11?ie=UTF8&qid=1464127949&sr=8-11&keywords=aliens+defiance
160 pages? How many issues is that? About 5?
7 @ 22 pages, but if the run is 12 issues, and this is volume 1, I'd guess this would be the first 6 issues, plus covers and other extra stuff.
Just pre-ordered Vol 1 and picked up issue #2 on digital. Initial thoughts
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It was another good issue. I'm liking the dynamic between Zula and the Davises, and Tristan continues to kill it on art. The use of shadows in this issue was great. It really looks like an Alien movie.
One question, which I'm sure will get addressed as this goes on. That was one of Tristan's new "praetorians," right? Or was that an immature queen? Either way, I can tell we're going to get some cool alien morphology in this series.
Quote from: SM on May 25, 2016, 08:15:57 AM7 @ 22 pages, but if the run is 12 issues, and this is volume 1, I'd guess this would be the first 6 issues, plus covers and other extra stuff.
Be interesting to see what (if any) additional stuff might be in there. If there's anything exciting I might have to get a copy despite having the singles.
Don't they normally include sketches and stuff like that?
Just finished reading #2. It was just ok for me. Sucks to have to wait another month to continue. I miss when comics were more weekly because I forget certain things by the time the next issue comes out these days from the long waits as I read them on day 1 release. I do feel this story should be a tv series instead. It already has that cinematic feel to it so it could easily translate into one of those 45 min 1 episode per week type shows.
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It kind of bothers me a little that the Alien in this issue for being what it was just seemed like it was an annoyance to the others & easily taken out. Are they ever going to be perceived as a threat again or just continue being fodder that's easily taken out by people like it seems they are these days? There could be stuff & references I'm not picking up on though because I've never beaten Isolation. Love the game but I really suck at it so I've barely made it anywhere in the game. Kinda disappointing as I want to progress & beat but I can't.
Quote from: SM on May 25, 2016, 10:03:03 PM
Don't they normally include sketches and stuff like that?
Only sometimes, I have a number of tpb that don't have any cover art or sketches.
Quote from: XenoZipper on May 25, 2016, 10:30:28 PM
Just finished reading #2. It was just ok for me. Sucks to have to wait another month to continue. I miss when comics were more weekly because I forget certain things by the time the next issue comes out these days from the long waits as I read them on day 1 release. I do feel this story should be a tv series instead. It already has that cinematic feel to it so it could easily translate into one of those 45 min 1 episode per week type shows.
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It kind of bothers me a little that the Alien in this issue for being what it was just seemed like it was an annoyance to the others & easily taken out. Are they ever going to be perceived as a threat again or just continue being fodder that's easily taken out by people like it seems they are these days? There could be stuff & references I'm not picking up on though because I've never beaten Isolation. Love the game but I really suck at it so I've barely made it anywhere in the game. Kinda disappointing as I want to progress & beat but I can't.
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They were a threat in terms of them killing everyone on the Europa and LV-44-40. And they don't have much in terms of defence against automatic gunfire.
Quote from: SM on May 25, 2016, 11:34:03 PM
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They were a threat in terms of them killing everyone on the Europa and LV-44-40. And they don't have much in terms of defence against automatic gunfire.
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Yea I suppose that's true too. I guess it was just them showing up to the ship & the aliens have already overrun it & how cool & calm Zula & the androids were in disposing of it that bugged me. I certainly don't hate the story at all, just little small things like that get me. I miss the Alien being an actual threat rather than just being treated like an annoying bug. I'm a super nerd, what can I say? I nitpick :P
Quote from: XenoZipper on May 26, 2016, 01:07:37 AM
Quote from: SM on May 25, 2016, 11:34:03 PM
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Yea I suppose that's true too. I guess it was just them showing up to the ship & the aliens have already overrun it & how cool & calm Zula & the androids were in disposing of it that bugged me. I certainly don't hate the story at all, just little small things like that get me. I miss the Alien being an actual threat rather than just being treated like an annoying bug. I'm a super nerd, what can I say? I nitpick :P
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I dunno, how was Zula cool & calm? She see's the alien for the first time and she panics. She backs up and trips over the floor breaking here helmet and then proceeds to pass out.
From what I gathered in the issue the Androids were already aware of what to expect on the Europa before the mission started so they were ready for the aliens. Even then half of them were destroyed.
Quote from: 420Buddy on May 26, 2016, 02:49:36 PM
Quote from: XenoZipper on May 26, 2016, 01:07:37 AM
Quote from: SM on May 25, 2016, 11:34:03 PM
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Yea I suppose that's true too. I guess it was just them showing up to the ship & the aliens have already overrun it & how cool & calm Zula & the androids were in disposing of it that bugged me. I certainly don't hate the story at all, just little small things like that get me. I miss the Alien being an actual threat rather than just being treated like an annoying bug. I'm a super nerd, what can I say? I nitpick :P
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I dunno, how was Zula cool & calm? She see's the alien for the first time and she panics. She backs up and trips over the floor breaking here helmet and then proceeds to pass out.
From what I gathered in the issue the Androids were already aware of what to expect on the Europa before the mission started so they were ready for the aliens. Even then half of them were destroyed.
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Like I said, just being nitpicky. She didn't come off as all that surprised to me so I didn't see that scene as being panicked. I don't remember her passing out. I'll just refrain from saying my opinions on the comics from here on out then & let you guys do all the talking about it with each other.
Wasn't trying to bully you or anything, just wanted to discuss your thoughts on the events of the comic, which seemed inconsistent with what I read. :(
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Zula definitely panics and in her panic she started to backpedal and trips breaking her mask, she passes out from lack of oxygen and doesnt wake up again until the infestation has been cleared.
Quote from: 420Buddy on May 26, 2016, 04:42:19 PM
Wasn't trying to bully you or anything, just wanted to discuss your thoughts on the events of the comic, which seemed inconsistent with what I read. :(
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Zula definitely panics and in her panic she started to backpedal and trips breaking her mask, she passes out from lack of oxygen and doesnt wake up again until the infestation has been cleared.
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Either that or we're not talking about the same part because she's not even wearing a suit or a helmet in the version I read. Page 15 I believe. If this site would allow me to upload Jpeg I would post it but it won't allow me to. But yea it's the part near the end when she tosses that grenade into the nest, she's not wearing any suit of any kind in the version I read, just normal fatigues.
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Quote from: 420Buddy on May 26, 2016, 04:42:19 PM
Wasn't trying to bully you or anything, just wanted to discuss your thoughts on the events of the comic, which seemed inconsistent with what I read. :(
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Zula definitely panics and in her panic she started to backpedal and trips breaking her mask, she passes out from lack of oxygen and doesnt wake up again until the infestation has been cleared.
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Either that or we're not talking about the same part because she's not even wearing a suit or a helmet in the version I read. Page 15 I believe. If this site would allow me to upload Jpeg I would post it but it won't allow me to. But yea it's the part near the end when she tosses that grenade into the nest, she's not wearing any suit of any kind in the version I read, just normal fatigues.
I think you guys may have issue 1 and 2 mixed up..
That's possible as well, I'm certainly referring to issue 2 or at least I hope unless I got a messed up copy of it.
Oh that makes sense, I thought you were referring to the events of the first issue, I haven't read the second.
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I havent read the second issue, so I assume they show up to another spaceship not the europa and dispose of an infestation there as well, like in the first issue?
Lol, you guys just made me facepalm.. :laugh:
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on May 26, 2016, 06:02:35 PM
Lol, you guys just made me facepalm.. :laugh:
Haha yea I feel like a bit of a dick now. I should have stated I was referring to issue 2 so that's on me. Lost in translation a little :P That why I was all confused when talk of her suit/helmet came up & I started thinking, wait are we reading the same thing or what? Sorry 420, didn't mean to be a dick about it.
lol oops, miscommunication is my superpower I think :laugh:
lol it's one of mine too as well as I'm too quick to anger about things. I really need to work on not getting so worked up over silly things.
That's it. Hug it out guys. I'm getting misty eyed. No more fighting over comic books. ;)
lol I wasn't even upset, if i came off that way its probably because its hard to convey my emotion or intent sometimes on a touch screen. :laugh:
Ok, so I reserved my judgments and commentary until the second issue came out. Straight off the top, I have to say I loved these two books so far. I read each one 3 times and that virtually never happens these days anymore. Before i get into some more in depth comments, I would like to qualify my statements. I've been reading Aliens comics since the first Mark A. Nelson / Mark Verheiden series so I have a very good sense of the progression that happened as the series grew and morphed and ultimately went sideways. I feel that some of the Fire and Stone comics recaptured a bit of the former glory, but overall they did not have me reading them over and over. Aliens: Defiance is a series that I can honestly say I will treasure. I didn't say it after the first issue because I thought maybe that was just a happy accident, but issue two only got better. So here I go with my comments:
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The art is tremendous. It is all about the details. Tristan captures every detail in a painstaking way. I get the feeling that there is probably a map of the locations that are presented in the book, it is that detailed. The line weight of each illustration is incredibly thin and very consistent. This makes me think that the images were drawn at a much higher scale and then shrunk down for printing. It is a common practice. But in this case, the intricacy carried is quite extraordinary which makes me think these images were drawn extra large originally. It makes me hope that there will be an oversized volume at some point. I feel like zooming in will only reveal more amazing detail. There is an almost Moebius-like quality to the imagery, but it is also very cinematic.
I notice that in the first issue, we have an exploration of a derelict ship. This has a similar vibe to the very first issue of Aliens by Mark A. Nelson / Mark Verheiden from 30 years ago as that comic basically focused around the same basic premise. It was handled amazingly well, with that sense of fear and dread as the ship exploration is undertaken. Issue two echoes this vibe as now we are exploring an empty space station, but the fear and dread are amped up, because it is not a full squad but just 2 characters going in. You can sense the quietness of the station. You are literally saying to yourself, Zula, don't go alone. And then the Alien attack is a really tense moment. The surprise / frightening element of the series has been brought back with a vengeance. You feel the danger when you see an Alien again. I haven't felt that vibe in years from a comic book.
Some people may feel that the pacing is a bit slow, but it literally should be this drawn out and methodical. The book managed to make a moment last an extra long time. This will really be appreciated when everything is combined into one volume.
If I could make any constructive criticisms, it would be that perhaps the font used for the word bubbles is a bit large. If this is ever collected in an oversize volume, those letters will be huge. Also, I notice that each book lists the creative team in-story. We even see the ALIENS logo in-story. How would this be handled in a compiled volume such as a TPB? Will it be strange to have the credits reappear chapter after chapter in the TPB? But it would be worse to change the format for the compiled volume I think. It seems to me that the way this sort of thing is done these days, is to give the credits on the inside cover, which is done here, but then it is repeated in-story.
Another observation is that since the drawings are so super detailed, we literally have the gaps between people's teeth drawn in. I appreciate the detail but it is unusual to do that in comics. The net result is that some people look like they are wearing braces or have dirty teeth. It is common to just leave the teeth as a white area. Anyway, that's really nitpicking I know.
In terms of format, I question if perhaps it might have made sense to use black frames around the panels instead of the white. I mean, I love the way things look right now, and it would make no sense to change the look of the series half-way through, but I tried this out on a couple of pages and I think the black framing looks stunning, giving an even darker and more cinematic quality to the pages. Check out the black page images for yourself.
Brian Wood deliberately wrote the credits to be presented 'filmicly' in the body of the comic. As each one reveals the title of the issue 'Derelict', 'Kinetic' etc. it wouldn't surprise me if they were maintained in the trade. Deadliest Of The Species had chapter titles in the comic body too, so however that was done as a trade might give an indication how it would be done here.
Quote from: SM on May 27, 2016, 02:41:57 AM
Brian Wood deliberately wrote the credits to be presented 'filmicly' in the body of the comic. As each one reveals the title of the issue 'Derelict', 'Kinetic' etc. it wouldn't surprise me if they were maintained in the trade. Deadliest Of The Species had chapter titles in the comic body too, so however that was done as a trade might give an indication how it would be done here.
I'd be totally fine with it in that case. It was more of an observation on my part actually. I just hope they include all of the covers, especially from the variant issues. Marvel takes care of the fans by doing that religiously, while experience tells me that Dark Horse has has not done this. I say this as a completist, but I have to say that the cover art pales in comparison to the interior art. By a long mile. The cover art is not bad, but it is just so incompatible with the amazing things that are happening inside the book that I find it regrettable that Tristan's art doesn't grace the covers. I sincerely hope that the TPB will feature Tristan's art on the front, but I have my doubts considering that the cover of Aliens Defiance #1 already appears on Amazon.
Tristan isn't doing the whole run. Riccardo Burchielli is doing issues 3 and 4 with Tristan coming back for issue 5.
I was aware that there would be a different artist coming up shortly, but not who it would be specifically. Any idea what he's known for?
DMZ for Vertigo with Brian Wood.
Not familiar with it, but it ran for 72 issues between 2005 and 2012.
Quote from: SM on May 27, 2016, 02:41:57 AM
Brian Wood deliberately wrote the credits to be presented 'filmicly' in the body of the comic. As each one reveals the title of the issue 'Derelict', 'Kinetic' etc. it wouldn't surprise me if they were maintained in the trade. Deadliest Of The Species had chapter titles in the comic body too, so however that was done as a trade might give an indication how it would be done here.
I really enjoyed that approach. I think it worked pretty well. I wouldn't expect to see them remove it for the trades either. I seems to me like they're going for a somewhat episodic kind of feel and I think the "title sequel" works well for that feeling so I'd think it'd remain.
Quote from: SM on May 27, 2016, 05:05:59 AM
Tristan isn't doing the whole run. Riccardo Burchielli is doing issues 3 and 4 with Tristan coming back for issue 5.
If I remember rightly, I think Tristan said Riccardo's issues were flashbacks to something?
Quote from: 426Buddy on May 26, 2016, 11:42:55 PM
lol I wasn't even upset, if i came off that way its probably because its hard to convey my emotion or intent sometimes on a touch screen. :laugh:
The internet. Bringing everyone together and making it hard to read emotions without the use of smileys. :laugh: :P
AFAIK they won't be flashbacks. Be difficult to have two whole issues of Aliens comics sans Aliens.
Quote from: SM on May 27, 2016, 07:59:56 AM
AFAIK they won't be flashbacks. Be difficult to have two whole issues of Aliens comics sans Aliens.
Quote from: tyrannosaurusjones on Jan 26, 2016, 10:34:28 PM
Thanks guys! Another great artist will be filling in for a flashback story on #3 and #4, but then I'll be back on for the rest, so it's going to be a pretty awesome little package!
There we go! Found it. Perhaps it's not necessarily flashbacks with Zula but related to the Aliens? I've not picked up #2 yet - going after work - but doesn't that introduce us to a new character? Perhaps its to do with her.
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Quote from: SM on May 27, 2016, 07:59:56 AM
AFAIK they won't be flashbacks. Be difficult to have two whole issues of Aliens comics sans Aliens.
Quote from: tyrannosaurusjones on Jan 26, 2016, 10:34:28 PM
Thanks guys! Another great artist will be filling in for a flashback story on #3 and #4, but then I'll be back on for the rest, so it's going to be a pretty awesome little package!
There we go! Found it. Perhaps it's not necessarily flashbacks with Zula but related to the Aliens? I've not picked up #2 yet - going after work - but doesn't that introduce us to a new character? Perhaps its to do with her.
Corporal, I think you're going to love it. Don't skim through it though when you get it, as it is tension driven so just read from start to finish. I find that the key here is to not be focused on the overall story of the series, but rather to just put yourself in the shoes of someone who walks into an abandoned ship. How eerie is that experience? Just enjoy the moment..
Stand corrected.
I just got the first two issues this morning (Issue #1 being the DHP variant cover ;) hehe) and i'm loving the series straight away :)
I picked up #2 last night. As expected, thoroughly enjoyed it. I'm liking this episodic nature and I like they're taking it slow building up the characters. The artwork remains stellar.
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Has Dark Horse completely dropped everything from before or could I still hope for the old series' to be referenced someday?
According to Mike Richardson in an AMAReddit which I asked him, they more or less did drop everything from before to match current film continuity. This was asked when Fire and Stone was being worked out. Note that he said that they were basically starting over, as Fire and Stone was a hard reboot:
https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/25z06w/iam_mike_richardson_publisher_and_founder_of_dark/chm54bv
Also, the Weyland-Yutani Report more or less has an in-universe timeline which.. omits everything which came before, except Fire and Stone.
Thank goodness, because any story involving Aliens on earth sucked. That is the worst idea ever...Aliens on earth...takes away the whole mystery.
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Quote from: 8BA on Oct 13, 2015, 01:46:38 AM
Has Dark Horse completely dropped everything from before or could I still hope for the old series' to be referenced someday?
According to Mike Richardson in an AMAReddit which I asked him, they more or less did drop everything from before to match current film continuity. This was asked when Fire and Stone was being worked out. Note that he said that they were basically starting over, as Fire and Stone was a hard reboot:
https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/25z06w/iam_mike_richardson_publisher_and_founder_of_dark/chm54bv
Also, the Weyland-Yutani Report more or less has an in-universe timeline which.. omits everything which came before, except Fire and Stone.
Well that kinda sucks to hear for sure, I took a lot of those older comics as canon. That's like Disney saying all the Star Wars novels n comics are no longer canon. The rebooted series' since just don't grab my attention nearly as much but that's me. I've been treating the new stories as more "What If" stories instead of canon.
Canon is so fluid that you should just take what you enjoy. It's only really important for folk who working on new entries and have specific stories they have to consider.
Just read issue 2 of Defiance and loving it. The art is amazing. The scenery (spaceships & space stations) is amazing. I'd like to see more talk about the Alien perhaps and a bit more horror. I could care less about the main character's past and problems though. The main character I care and want to know about is the Alien.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 29, 2016, 02:09:03 PM
Canon is so fluid that you should just take what you enjoy. It's only really important for folk who working on new entries and have specific stories they have to consider.
Yea I still pretty much take what I want as canon. Just don't really dig when something gets said officially to omit older things out of the universe as canon. With that being the case, I don't like taking the Engineers as they are as canon because I don't dig what became of them from Prometheus compared to how they were treated before in past comics, I dug the older concept a lot more but again, that's me. I'm just an old school person that has difficulties accepting their new stuff.
Quote from: Nostromo on May 29, 2016, 02:16:03 PM
Just read issue 2 of Defiance and loving it. The art is amazing. The scenery (spaceships & space stations) is amazing. I'd like to see more talk about the Alien perhaps and a bit more horror. I could care less about the main character's past and problems though. The main character I care and want to know about is the Alien.
Yea I'm kinda with you on that a bit. I don't have any care for Zula either or her inner monologue about having to work harder to prove herself because she's a woman & black, blah blah, just don't care. I want more horror. In a way I wish these stories were back to 4 issue runs instead of planning out these huge runs that just drag things out more & take longer. Wouldn't be so bad if comics were still bi-weekly but for bi-month, it really sucks when you plan out so many issues.
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Yea I'm kinda with you on that a bit. I don't have any care for Zula either or her inner monologue about having to work harder to prove herself because she's a woman & black, blah blah, just don't care. I want more horror. In a way I wish these stories were back to 4 issue runs instead of planning out these huge runs that just drag things out more & take longer. Wouldn't be so bad if comics were still bi-weekly but for bi-month, it really sucks when you plan out so many issues.
EXACTLY! Wow I thought i was the only one thinking this. It's been an ongoing stupid problem with 95% of every Dark Horse Alien comic. So much useless talk and mindless action. It's as if the writers have never seen the first 2 Alien movies. They should know what works and what doesn't after 30 years of garbage...
Does anyone really care about Zula and her problems? Or do you just want to see more smart terror & horror lurking around every corner. These comics with their 20 pages are so short I want every page to be quality story telling and less blah blah blah :)
This is why Aliens: Labyrinth, Berserkers, Hive and Newt's Tale to some extent worked great. Every page kept you to the edge of your seat while reading it. Most of the dialogue was about the Alien.
Aliens:Defiance has the perfect setting though. I hope they don't mess it up with too much gung ho shooting and too much time wasted talking about a character's absolutely useless past.
Quote from: Nostromo on May 29, 2016, 03:01:05 PM
EXACTLY! Wow I thought i was the only one thinking this. It's been an ongoing stupid problem with 95% of every Dark Horse Alien comic. So much useless talk and mindless action. It's as if the writers have never seen the first 2 Alien movies. They should know what works and what doesn't after 30 years of garbage...
Does anyone really care about Zula and her problems? Or do you just want to see more smart terror & horror lurking around every corner. These comics with their 20 pages are so short I want every page to be quality story telling and less blah blah blah :)
This is why Aliens: Labyrinth, Berserkers, Hive and Newt's Tale to some extent worked great. Every page kept you to the edge of your seat while reading it. Most of the dialogue was about the Alien.
Aliens:Defiance has the perfect setting though. I hope they don't mess it up with too much gung ho shooting and too much time wasted talking about a character's absolutely useless past.
Haha I was thinking the same that I was the only one not eating up everything Aliens lately. It's not just a problem with DH or Aliens though, I find this prob of trying to characterize someone I don't care about to be happening in a lot of mediums especially in movies & tv shows. I can't stand the Walking Dead or Game of Thrones because of all the drama they shove into those, I just don't care about any of the characters enough for it to matter to me at all so therefore, can't get into the shows. Flash has been the same for me lately as well & just starting to lose interest in the shows because of it. I do love the atmosphere Defiance is setting up it would make for a damn good tv series but yes I do agree that I hope the story starts progressing a bit more & less on Zula's past.
So you want the characters to be flawless?
The idea with drama is to constantly throw obstacles in the way of the character, so the become stronger each time one is overcome.
Kinda like Ripley in Aliens - 57 years asleep, family dead, nightmares, no one believes her story, loses her job - and then things get even worse.
Labyrinth had a whole issue dedicated to Church's history as well as the Backsplash companion piece for Crespi. Hive similarly cut chronologically back and forth.
But two issues in, we get snippets of Zula's past and her problems, and it's too much to bear?
No I'm not looking for character to be flawless just more interesting. Regarding Labyrinth, at least how they did that part for Church was interesting and at the same time introduced some cycles of the Alien not previously seen. It was done well. I didn't say Zula's back history was too much to bear, I just don't care to know it cause the character doesn't really do anything for me is all. And yea sure you can say all those things happened to Ripley to add drama but it's more in the execution which I don't think today's shows & movies do well at all but that's me. I was only just tossing in my 2 cents but seems useless. If I have disagreements with further issues of the story I'll just keep it to myself from now on.
It seems there are 2 types of people these days lol. ..Those that like shows like Lost, Walking with the Dead, etc..where people's past and issues are talked about every 2 minutes and those that absolutely loathe or could care less about useless character buildup but instead just care about the current story.
I know I sound harsh but it's just how I feel about these pointless backstories that do nothing for the movie/book.
Take the movie Alien for example. Can you imagine how useless or time consuming it would have been for Ripley to sit down with any other characters and start talking about her past issues and how she got there etc etc etc... I know Dallas landed that shitty job because he was involved in a huge accident killing 15,000 people...Ridley Scott could have had a field day with that backstory...but he didn't and thank god for that. The rest is history.
Instead of backstories which drain time and space and bring nothing to the table, I'd prefer we see or read about the current story at hand.
As for walking with the dead, I changed the channel halfway through the first episode when characters started babbling about their past as if there wasn't even a zombie Apocalypse happening..same with Lost changed it after 30 minutes...same with Falling Skies...there's an Alien invasion happening and some dude is talking about some relationship...click...
Defiance is perfect so far..Just want more smart story about Aliens, locations, etc and less about some girl's cooking issues.
Quote from: Nostromo on May 29, 2016, 11:10:20 PM
It seems there are 2 types of people these days lol. ..Those that like shows like Lost, Walking with the Dead, etc..where people's past and issues are talked about every 2 minutes and those that absolutely loathe or could care less about that and just care about the current story but instead witnesses some pansy talking for hours about how he/she go bit in the butt when they were 5 years old.
I know I sound harsh but it's just how I feel about these pointless backstories that do nothing for the movie/book.
Take the movie Alien for example. Can you imagine how stupid it would have been for Ripley to sit down with any other characters and start talking about her past issues and how she got there etc etc etc... I know Dallas landed that shitty job because he was involved in a huge accident killing 15,000 people...Ridley Scott could have had a field day with that backstory...but he didn't and thank god for that. The rest is history.
Instead of backstories which drain time and space and bring nothing to the table, I'd prefer we see or read about the current story at hand.
As for walking with the dead, I changed the channel halfway through the first episode when characters started babbling about their past as if there wasn't even a zombie Apocalypse happening..same with Lost changed it after 30 minutes...same with Falling Skies...there's an Alien invasion happening and some dude is talking about some relationship...click...
Defiance is perfect so far..Just want more smart story about Aliens, locations, etc and less about some girl's cooking issues.
Thank you. I can never find the right words to convey what I'm really trying to say & usually just come off sounding like an asshole but I'm with you on this. I don't mind
some of the drama if it's done right (Ex.We find out Ripley had a daughter in the special edition of Aliens. We also find out she's dead & it goes no further about that backstory but it does solidify a more relationship between her & Newt as obviously she sees Newt as her daughter & likewise Newt sees Ripley as a mother figure). It just when drama takes over is when I start not liking it. Like you said, there's a zombie apocalypse going on, yet they take a back seat & almost not even a threat anymore compared to the human drama that over takes the show. I don't hate Defiance in the slightest, just don't care about the backstory stuff. Maybe I wouldn't mind it as much if everything else wasn't so over loaded with drama as well that I'd rather that stuff stay out of my Alien world.
Backstories build character and then feed into how that character reacts in the current situation.
Of course, they can be executed well or badly. Church's backstory in Labyrinth is possibly one of the best issues of any Alien comic. Sadly it didn't stop him ultimately being another generic mad scientist.
The fact Zula has had to struggle with being a short black woman, who is now ostracised due to her back injury - I'm not seeing how that detracts from the overall story. It explains why she's even on the mission in the first place if nothing else.
Drama = conflict.
"I'd rather that stuff stay out of my Alien world."
Ha! Well said.
Same here, I believe drama in sci-fi/sci-fi horror should be kept to a minimum, otherwise the sci-fi horror side of the story, which is more important, will suffer.
I know all there is to know about Zula now, no more need to explain to me how short or what other problems she has. I just want to read and see and eat sci fi horror otherwise I'll go watch days of our lives lol.
Well i'm loving the series so far.Art and story are great and I dig Zula as a character and enjoy her background. She has more depth and seems more fully realized then most comic characters and I'm liking it a lot.
I loved F&S for the most part too though.
To each their own. I'm not super crazy on it but that's me. I liked F&S as well but most likely for completely different reasons than most here. I can say on my end, it didn't have much to do with the humans.
Yeah we all have our own personal views on this stuff. Im pretty lenient on the comics, I've just always been into the comics, I get enjoyment out of even the worst lol.
Aliens and predators are the only comics I've ever really been into but I've been into them since I was a kid.
Personally, I'm absolutely loving that this new comic is actually attempting to give some real character to Hendricks. It fixes my number one problem with just about every other Aliens comic I've read - generic, shallow characters.
Like I said, to each their own. You guys dig it, that's cool. It's what you guys dig, I'm not knocking it. It's just not that interesting for me. Nice thing about being a fan of this franchise is liking & disliking whatever you feel without much backlash one hopes.
Quote from: SM on May 30, 2016, 12:26:47 AM
Backstories build character and then feed into how that character reacts in the current situation.
The fact Zula has had to struggle with being a short black woman, who is now ostracised due to her back injury - I'm not seeing how that detracts from the overall story. It explains why she's even on the mission in the first place if nothing else.
Drama = conflict.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on May 30, 2016, 08:38:51 AM
Personally, I'm absolutely loving that this new comic is actually attempting to give some real character to Hendricks. It fixes my number one problem with just about every other Aliens comic I've read - generic, shallow characters.
Exactly one of the reasons I'm loving Defiance too. For me, there's more to the series than just the Alien or just Ripley. Whilst I love seeing our favourite XTs going on rampages, it's massively important to have interesting characters who are more than just cutouts going along with it.
I'm loving the fact that straight off the bat, Zula is fighting more than the Aliens. It shows really inner strength that I think we really help push her along.
The comic is also only 2 issues into an on-going arc so for that character so sustain (possibly) the entire run, they need to put time into developing her backstory and how she responds to these situations. It's looking like it's going to be a nice character driven story.
Believable/relatable drama, character conflict, and growth is a good thing, otherwise you end up with flat characters no one cares about (see: the AvP movies, even if they did kinda-sorta try). It's just a matter of striking that balance between character moments and scary monster moments (you know, like how the first two movies did).
Quote from: SM on May 30, 2016, 12:26:47 AM
Of course, they can be executed well or badly. Church's backstory in Labyrinth is possibly one of the best issues of any Alien comic. Sadly it didn't stop him ultimately being another generic mad scientist.
I don't think Church was "another generic mad scientist", in fact I don't think he was that "mad" at all. He experienced a soul-shattering trauma, and was willing to resort to morally questionable methods, but he always had specific goals with his experiments and none of them ever got out of control. People died under his watch, but it was always intentional on his part (and carefully orchestrated to look like an "accident" to outsiders). His work produced actual tangible results, he never tried to "harness" the Aliens as soldiers or whatever, his Aliens never got loose and trashed the place, and in the end he got to continue his research (on both Aliens and humans) because as far as anyone could tell, everything he was doing was above board (and anyone who thought otherwise was dead or considered unreliable).
He's a very, very far cry from Gen. Spears, Kleist, the guy from 'Aliens: Lovesick', the guy from 'Aliens: Purge', or Gedimen/Wren.
If anything, Church was a really well executed subversion of the "mad scientist" trope. The story sets him up as a mad scientist who is totally going to get owned for his hubris and insanity, and then nope, he ends up being the calmest, most level-headed character in the story, absolutely respects the Aliens for what they are, and ends up getting away scot-free.
If only Church did subvert the stereotype. He was irritating close to doing precisely that, being someone truly grey - doing genuinely beneficial research while meddling about with the "pink poetry" of man and the "black blank genius of the Alien"; but when he starts on the "I didn't survive the hive. I AM the hive! When I look the cosmos in the eye, it blinks." monologing; he's simply mad. Just because he's more eloquent and the Aliens don't escape and there's a genuine root cause for his insanity, doesn't make him any less of a nut.
Yeah, I was kinda disappointed they spoiled Church's superb potential by yet again reducing him to a bit of a stereotype loon.
Doesn't stop the backstory being superb, but it's easily the highlight of his arc.
Quote from: SM on May 31, 2016, 10:00:40 PM
If only Church did subvert the stereotype. He was irritating close to doing precisely that, being someone truly grey - doing genuinely beneficial research while meddling about with the "pink poetry" of man and the "black blank genius of the Alien"; but when he starts on the "I didn't survive the hive. I AM the hive! When I look the cosmos in the eye, it blinks." monologing; he's simply mad. Just because he's more eloquent and the Aliens don't escape and there's a genuine root cause for his insanity, doesn't make him any less of a nut.
But that's the thing, he's not wrong. He recognized that he couldn't "beat" the Aliens by making them conform to human standards, if he wanted to "beat" them then he needed to become inhuman - and unlike his contemporaries, he absolutely knows what he is, and his methods work. That's the subversion: unlike the other crazies like Wren/Spears/Kleist, he fully recognizes and harnesses his inhumanity and doesn't "lose control" (of himself, or of his operation).
A big part of the "mad scientist" trope (dating back to, like, Victor Frankenstein) is that they don't recognize their own madness or the folly of their work, and this ends up destroying them. Church subverts both of those by recognizing what he is and what he's doing, keeping everything under control, and convincing everyone around him that his detractors are the crazy ones.
Just got Defiance #2, loved it. Feels so short though lol so hard to wait another month to find out what happens next.
Anyway art is awesome as always.
Spoiler
The praetorian was really interesting, took a lot of damage and would have killed Zula if Davis hadn't been there. I was wondering where the other drones were on the station too, seemed like the nest was contained to a small area. Maybe there was more behind the door where the alien came from.
Finally got round to reading issue 2 of this. Although I didn't like it quite as much as the first issue, it still seems very promising and was definitely beautiful to look at.
Also, having re-read the first issue, did anyone else notice how Hendricks' dog tags show her serial number as beginning "USMC" instead of "USCM"? :P
Found this on a google search
Spoiler
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Forig09.deviantart.net%2F630a%2Ff%2F2015%2F163%2Fd%2Fb%2Falien_by_t_rexjones-d8x21mh.jpg&hash=920673331c5ed3c43c93f65d66bc964c76e8914d)
Is that not just one of the alternate heads from the ACM
I dunno, thought it was the praetorian, i didnt play ACM much/.
I definitely think I've seen the design before the comic.
Maybe, I posted it over in the alien king thread thinking it was the praetorian from Defiance, oops.
Can't find the pic from the issue.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jun 08, 2016, 05:36:39 PM
Is that not just one of the alternate heads from the ACM
I'm pretty sure it's one of the Spitter heads from ACM (if not the default one).
My mistake, don't know my A:CM very well apparently. Now i need to actually find a pic of the alien in issue 2
If I remember rightly it was an old warm up piece Tristan posted up.
Quote from: 426Buddy on Jun 08, 2016, 08:55:02 PMMy mistake, don't know my A:CM very well apparently.
Not to worry!
Only just noticed your new avatar, nice!
It's not from Defiance (I assume), but Tristan sure does draw a mean Newborn.
https://twitter.com/tyrannojones/status/740652151714787328 (https://twitter.com/tyrannojones/status/740652151714787328)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CkdTNIyWsAEgJpG.jpg:large)
Tristan's artwork is pretty great, has he done any other comics work? The way he draws the Aliens reminds me a lot of Killian Plunkett's work on 'Aliens: Labyrinth'.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jun 09, 2016, 07:20:59 AM
Quote from: 426Buddy on Jun 08, 2016, 08:55:02 PMMy mistake, don't know my A:CM very well apparently.
Not to worry!
Only just noticed your new avatar, nice!
Thanks :)
Quote from: Xenomrph on Jun 09, 2016, 07:00:28 PM
Tristan's artwork is pretty great, has he done any other comics work? The way he draws the Aliens reminds me a lot of Killian Plunkett's work on 'Aliens: Labyrinth'.
Nothing really worth reading. My all is going into Aliens. I wasn't given that luxury on other books. I used to write the TMNT, I wrote and drew some Ghostbusters, I worked on Silent Hill and Mad Max, now I'm here! Really want to do some Predator stuff, too.
Thanks for the Plunkett comparison, too. He's my favourite comics artist, so it comes full circle for me ;)
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jun 08, 2016, 05:51:09 PM
I definitely think I've seen the design before the comic.
You have -- the sketch posted is teh ACM version. I didn't like how over the top the body was, or the glowy green bits, or the "pincers" so I ditched them, made it more in line with something you'd see in the films (hopefully).
I've got the Silent Hill Omnibus, would that have your stuff in it?
Quote from: Ultramorph on Jun 09, 2016, 06:42:27 PM
It's not from Defiance (I assume), but Tristan sure does draw a mean Newborn.
https://twitter.com/tyrannojones/status/740652151714787328 (https://twitter.com/tyrannojones/status/740652151714787328)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CkdTNIyWsAEgJpG.jpg:large)
OMFG, thats awesome :o
Quote from: tyrannosaurusjones on Jun 10, 2016, 04:41:37 AMI didn't like how over the top the body was, or the glowy green bits, or the "pincers" so I ditched them, made it more in line with something you'd see in the films (hopefully).
I'll let you know if you succeeded after I get a better look at it in future issues ;)
I have to admit, looking back to every Aliens story by Dark Horse, this one is looking like the best one ever. Hopefully we get to see some Alien/s doing the scary creepy clever things they do and not some weird new crap like Aliens spitting or farting acid or some new characters with antennas sticking out of their arses like in the old Aliens Colonial Marines or Aliens Fire and Stone comics.
The scenery/locations in Defiance are 10/10! Story 9/10 so far. Art is awesome too. Looking forward to Issue 3.
Dang, sales are so-so...maybe need to step up the advertising or?
132/300 ALIENS DEFIANCE #1 $3.99 DAR 16,256
179/300 ALIENS DEFIANCE #2 $3.99 DAR 11,089
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ClpH8XKXIAATGuc.jpg:large)
https://twitter.com/tyrannojones/status/745987793638277120
That is so badass!
Down in the convo:
https://twitter.com/tyrannojones/status/745988220920356864 (https://twitter.com/tyrannojones/status/745988220920356864)
QuoteWith any luck, I'll be drawing lots of this one in particular... you're gonna love #6 and #7, dude! ;)
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jun 23, 2016, 02:34:21 PM(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ClpH8XKXIAATGuc.jpg:large)
Queenburster?
The very same!
I always loved the Queen Chestburster design from the third film. If you look at the behind the scenes footage of it, it was an amazing little animatronic. I just didn't like the way in which it appeared in the theatrical cut and think it's better without it in the AC.
Big shame they didn't reuse the design for Resurrection, instead of the lame mouth sausage we actually got.
In a bizarre twist, it looks like Defiance #3 has been pushed back, and we'll be getting both #3 and #4 in August:
http://www.darkhorse.com/Comics/29-852/Aliens-Defiance-3 (http://www.darkhorse.com/Comics/29-852/Aliens-Defiance-3)
http://www.darkhorse.com/Comics/29-853/Aliens-Defiance-4 (http://www.darkhorse.com/Comics/29-853/Aliens-Defiance-4)
I really hope the series isn't in trouble.
Just an art hiccup. We ran longer than we should have on #2 and #3, so we're double shipping. I'll be back on for #5-7, and believe me, if you haven't already put your standing orders in at your comic shops by #5, you're really gonna f**king want to...!
Nooooooooo :P
That's my life dude lol. Please keep adding and drawing those cool spaceships & space stations. Aliens Berserker & Event Horizon type atmospheres, with the occasional deep underground mines or atmospheric processing stations and no Alien mutations.
Excellent series, hope it runs longer than 12 issues! I'll be collecting the individual comics & TPB'S.
Quote from: Whiskeybrewer on Jun 10, 2016, 11:01:33 AM
Quote from: Ultramorph on Jun 09, 2016, 06:42:27 PM
It's not from Defiance (I assume), but Tristan sure does draw a mean Newborn.
https://twitter.com/tyrannojones/status/740652151714787328 (https://twitter.com/tyrannojones/status/740652151714787328)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CkdTNIyWsAEgJpG.jpg:large)
OMFG, thats awesome :o
That does look fkin great@!
Quote from: tyrannosaurusjones on Jun 23, 2016, 04:55:57 PM
Just an art hiccup. We ran longer than we should have on #2 and #3, so we're double shipping. I'll be back on for #5-7, and believe me, if you haven't already put your standing orders in at your comic shops by #5, you're really gonna f**king want to...!
OK, good, I was worried there for a minute!
Tristan,
I usually wait for TPBs because I'm not a big comics guy, but I broke down today and grabbed #2 (wanted #1 as well but they were out, so I've got it special ordered). Love it. So much class. I love how there are 'silences' built into the story, if that makes any sense. The Aliens comics I remember reading back in the 90s didn't really do that; someone was always saying something, or shooting something.
The art is the best I've seen in an Aliens series. Full stop. I love the restraint in colour (I still have horrible memories of Aliens Series 3 being coloured like a damn Archie comic). The aliens drawn here really invite the same fascination that the ones in the (first three) films did. In most Aliens comics, I'd look at the aliens and say, "okay, what did they get right, what did they get wrong?". In Defiance, I say, "holy... look at that creepy-ass alien!"
Additionally, being followed down numerous corridors by a cadre of facehuggers is something that will probably now haunt my dreams, so thank you for that. :P
Anyway, I'll be buying each issue from now on... and probably the TPB as well, provided there aren't too many two-page spreads that would be ruined by the necessities of paperback binding - you artists must hate that! :D
Quote from: Nostromo on Jun 14, 2016, 04:10:33 PM
I have to admit, looking back to every Aliens story by Dark Horse, this one is looking like the best one ever. Hopefully we get to see some Alien/s doing the scary creepy clever things they do and not some weird new crap like Aliens spitting or farting acid or some new characters with antennas sticking out of their arses like in the old Aliens Colonial Marines or Aliens Fire and Stone comics.
The scenery/locations in Defiance are 10/10! Story 9/10 so far. Art is awesome too. Looking forward to Issue 3.
Dang, sales are so-so...maybe need to step up the advertising or?
132/300 ALIENS DEFIANCE #1 $3.99 DAR 16,256
179/300 ALIENS DEFIANCE #2 $3.99 DAR 11,089
Agreed on this. Perhaps even on par with DB's artwork from Book 2.
Quote from: tyrannosaurusjones on Jun 23, 2016, 04:55:57 PM
Just an art hiccup. We ran longer than we should have on #2 and #3, so we're double shipping. I'll be back on for #5-7, and believe me, if you haven't already put your standing orders in at your comic shops by #5, you're really gonna f**king want to...!
Good to hear.
Congrats dude. After 26 years of reading Dark Horse Alien comics you did something no other artist has ever done!
You actually scared the crap outta me!!!!
In issue 2 with that panel where the Queen lunges through the door gap at Hendricks. The artwork reminded me so much of that airduct scene with Dallas in Alien. Probably the scariest scene for me in all of the movies.
Bravo. Keep up the great work.
You guys are the absolute best -- seriously! You should all be emailing Dark Horse and telling them this, too. Spencer and Randy would love to see what you guys think, I'm sure!
I definitely intend to myself. It'd be great for them to know how much we're enjoying it.
Will do Tristan
I sent an email to dark horse detailing my love for Defiance 8)
Can't wait for the next issue!
I really hope this does prove popular enough for them to see it through. After such a promising start, I'd hate for it to turn into a sporadic, curtailed mess like Colonial Marines did.
I just re-read Aliens: Defiance 1-2 & Extravehicular. Man...this series is badass good. The story, art, colors & locations are fantastic. All are 9.5/10 or much more!
Those are some of the best designed Aliens of all time. That dead alien in issue 2 is just mind blowing the way it's sitting just there, that thing has the perfect head body combo just like the original Alien. That Queen looked like a very young queen not fully developed yet as if it's a drone or something just moulding into one. Very cool.
I even like Hendricks more this time around, thought she was talking to herself a lot the first time I read it but she's not. I even like that black leather underwear she's got going there, heh.
There's more going on than I originally might have thought. First off, Amanda Ripley and Seegson are in it. Surely there will be some tie in to Isolation later on.
I'm not buying it for a second that one of those cool synths has turned it's programming around...
Loving those Isolation looking synths by the way! And the main one is named David hmmm.
Seems like there's a secret company war going on between Seegson and Weyland Yutani and perhaps Hendricks will be the one to eat the blame afterwards.
This is already my favorite Aliens story since Berserker. Along with Fire & Stone & Life & Death Dark Horse is definitely heading in the right directions. I will be buying every comic & TPB that comes out and will recommend this to people every chance I get.
By the way, does Extravehicular take place somewhere in between issue #1? Actuallly no..that other lady wasn't in isssue 1.
And for the love of God, is there anyway to get that mickey mouse woopydiddely cartoon in the last 4-5 pages out and maybe add more story or some other Alien story instead? What a waste of space, that's prime real estate now.
Great job Dark Horse! I'm going to the store tomorrow to pre order the living shit like Ridley says out of Aliens Defiance & Prometheus Life & Death.
Quote from: 426Buddy on Jun 25, 2016, 01:21:17 PM
I sent an email to dark horse detailing my love for Defiance 8)
Can't wait for the next issue!
Nice one. Likewise I did similar.
Quote from: Nostromo on Jun 28, 2016, 02:58:51 AMBy the way, does Extravehicular take place somewhere in between issue #1? Actuallly no..that other lady wasn't in isssue 1.
Seems to me like it's a snippet from a future episode, perhaps with some of the text altered to make it work as a stand-alone segment. That's the impression I got from reading it.
Not gonna lie, the fact
Extravehicular wasn't an original tie-in but just a preview is probably my only actual complaint about the whole thing so far. Would've been nice if it had been a proper side-story.
Quote from: Nostromo on Jun 28, 2016, 02:58:51 AM
Loving those Isolation looking synths by the way! And the main one is named David hmmm.
Twas Davis, not David. I do have to wonder if that was done to be deliberately close to David though.
I'm glad everyone is enjoying the comic though. It's great to have such a universally enjoyed series coming out.
Quote from: tyrannosaurusjones on May 21, 2016, 02:23:33 PM
You may not see it again until around #12 though... Also, if you like what you're seeing, make sure you write to Dark Horse and let them know! We have plans for beyond #12, but it sorta relies on you guys keeping us afloat a bit ;)
Look man, all I need to know is one thing, who do I have to email to keep this thing afloat after issue 12? ;D
Quote from: SM on May 25, 2016, 08:15:57 AM
7 @ 22 pages, but if the run is 12 issues, and this is volume 1, I'd guess this would be the first 6 issues, plus covers and other extra stuff.
Damn, no wonder this felt like a 5 minute read. Aren't comics usually 32 pages long??
No 22 is about average.
I found it pretty interesting that they had to change the big chap design to a praetorian in the digital version. Its cool to see the original in the physical copy though, I'm glad I got one.
It pleases me! I like the implication it's because we're heading back to him for Covenant. :)
That would be an awesome implication! There is definitely a back story, hopefully one day when defiance is past issue 12 and covenant is out we'll learn all the details.
It's going to be a long wait for defiance #3. To kill some time I ordered aliens colonial Marines 1-8, aliens newts tale 1&2, and aliens stalker. I'm getting close to having the whole aliens run, got a long way to go before I get all the avp and predator ones though.
I really hope colonial marines doesn't turn you off though. It starts off as a 12 issue series (maybe 10, can't remember) and then it gets truncated for some reason. Anyway, the story really goes sideways, and ultimately nowhere..
Yeah lol the colonial marines series has quite a reputation for being a trainwreck. At least there is some wicked cover art to look forward too, I still need to pick up 9&10 sometime.
But stalker is coming too and ive heard good things about that one.
Lol 8-10 of Colonial Marines were the first Alien issues I ever got lol.
I think it was just behind th scenes stuff that caused it to go from 12 issues to 10.
Issues 1-7 say its of 12, then the final three say of 10
I think most likely they got instruction from Fox to change direction at some point. It was probably because of those ridiculous bug men, but I'm just speculating. Who knows what sort of interesting tale they had planned before things went awry?
Another member here has said this, but I can't remember who: it was like DH wanted Colonial Marines to be a dark story about battle wearing down the Marines, with a heavy drug addiction story on top, but couldn't get away with it (whether because of the times or studio mandates), so it just wound up being really silly. I also remember reading that DH wanted it canceled basically from the first issue. You can definitely tell the places where new writers came in an basically said "forget all that!"
It will make for an interesting read for sure, things tile Colonial Marines must be cursed lol. Also i have newts tale coming so I'll have that amazing cover art to look forward to.
I've totally kept out of the loop with the comics since Fire and Stone ended. Can someone kindly post what is available and what the chronological order is?
Thanks in advance.
I think Colonial Marines is best described as a story you acted out with Kenner figures when you were a kid.
Quote from: TheBATMAN on Jul 01, 2016, 06:27:43 PM
I've totally kept out of the loop with the comics since Fire and Stone ended. Can someone kindly post what is available and what the chronological order is?
Thanks in advance.
After Fire and Stone we've got Defiance which is set well before it, just after Isolation. Life and Death is set a few years (irrc) after Fire and Stone.
Isn't Defiance set before Isolation? We also see Amanda Ripley working somewhere in issue 1 or 2 I believe?
Amanda's appearance is a flashback.
Defiance is a few months after Isolation.
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Jul 01, 2016, 03:43:43 PM
I think most likely they got instruction from Fox to change direction at some point. It was probably because of those ridiculous bug men, but I'm just speculating. Who knows what sort of interesting tale they had planned before things went awry?
Maybe we can get a rewrite in the new canon ;)
Quote from: SM on Jul 02, 2016, 02:49:55 AMDefiance is a few months after Isolation.
Isn't it simultaneous? The first issue gives the date as December 14, 2137. According to the various logs in the game, its events take place over November and December 2137.
Via Tristan's Twitter:
https://twitter.com/tyrannojones/status/749325505183281152 (https://twitter.com/tyrannojones/status/749325505183281152)
Probably just a warm-up, but still intriguing!
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jul 02, 2016, 07:07:15 PM
Quote from: SM on Jul 02, 2016, 02:49:55 AMDefiance is a few months after Isolation.
Isn't it simultaneous? The first issue gives the date as December 14, 2137. According to the various logs in the game, its events take place over November and December 2137.
It's Jan 2138 by the time they get to LV-44-40.
Quote from: Ultramorph on Jul 02, 2016, 07:43:20 PM
Via Tristan's Twitter:
https://twitter.com/tyrannojones/status/749325505183281152 (https://twitter.com/tyrannojones/status/749325505183281152)
Probably just a warm-up, but still intriguing!
Is this an Alien with a Derelict Ship for a head? Please tell me that's not going to be a real thing. No offense to the artist as his other work is awesome but I don't want to see that become a real thing in the comic.
The caption makes me think it's just something he did for fun, but who knows?
One can only hope that's the case
He's just having a mess around.
I think that actually looks pretty cool
Would make a pretty badass slingshot.
Quote from: XenoZipper on Jul 03, 2016, 03:22:41 PM
Is this an Alien with a Derelict Ship for a head? Please tell me that's not going to be a real thing. No offense to the artist as his other work is awesome but I don't want to see that become a real thing in the comic.
It's an alien with a U-shaped head, certainly. Maybe not exactly like the derelict itself, but certainly U-shaped.
And why not? What if there was a perfectly good, logical reason for its existence? Because I don't draw things like this without good reason. I got a lot of respect for this universe... Or what if we take a leaf out of the Ridley Scott book of Alien and just throw it in there and let you guys make up the reason (until we decide to give one -- if we decide to give one ;) )? You guys all did pretty well with the "Big Ugly" from #4... because nobody's quite hit the mark with that sucker yet, but you're all pretty okay with it. I don't see any reason why such a thing couldn't exist beyond Fox saying "no"...
And yeah, it's brainstorming. I'm trying to find something new. I love everything that's there, but I certainly want to put something of my own in there beyond just "how I draw what everyone else draws", and if it's an alien with a weird head, I'm pretty cool with that. But again, final say doesn't necessarily reside with me...
Nice! An alien that hatched out of a creature we've never seen before, perhaps? Can't wait to see what Defiance has in store.
I would really love to see some new hybrid designs! I'd also be interested in seeing some other biomechaniod civilians. SiL's people perhaps. :P
Quote from: Ultramorph on Jul 03, 2016, 05:36:42 PM
Nice! An alien that hatched out of a creature we've never seen before, perhaps? Can't wait to see what Defiance has in store.
Perhaps... but maybe it's something more...
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jul 03, 2016, 05:47:33 PM
some other biomechaniod civilians. SiL's people perhaps. :P
...along these lines? ;)
I meant civilization. Ooops.
Quote from: tyrannosaurusjones on Jul 03, 2016, 05:53:55 PM
...along these lines? ;)
The Engineers introduction should give a lot to play with narratively for other species out there. Other experiments that aren't about the accelerant. Perhaps this is could be another experiment. Not an Alien with a capital A.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jul 03, 2016, 05:59:57 PM
The Engineers introduction should give a lot to play with narratively
This is actually what excites me more about working on Aliens than the creature itself...
Again, I think it looks really cool. Aliens head shape is very unconventional, and so far nobody steered away from that yet, and this u shape is also a very unique, creepy looking, unconventional shape. Personally I love it
I can dig it, not terribly threatening looking though. I cant wait for the next issue to come out though, I'm 4 issues into colonial Marines and I will say its definitely earned its reputation lol. although I have enjoyed some of it. I liked stalker a lot and newts tale ended up being better than I had imagined, I had low expectations though. Mondo pest is as bad as mondo heat but hey gotta have them all ;D. Defiance #3 can't get here soon enough.
Some really great covers, newts tale cover art is superb.
I wonder what is in store for us regarding the future of defiance, story wise. I am really loving the series so far.
Quote from: StrangeShape on Jul 03, 2016, 06:21:19 PM
Again, I think it looks really cool. Aliens head shape is very unconventional, and so far nobody steered away from that yet, and this u shape is also a very unique, creepy looking, unconventional shape. Personally I love it
I think the u-shaped head is reminiscent of Pitch Black a bit. Not sure I'm sold on the idea, but good luck.
Of course the biggest deviation from Giger's design is the Queen head by James Cameron, which was pretty good.
Personally, I love seeing something new, Especially when it is presented with quality and thought.
Looking forward seeing where the series is going with this!
Quote from: 426Buddy on Jul 03, 2016, 07:59:51 PM
I can dig it, not terribly threatening looking though. I cant wait for the next issue to come out though, I'm 4 issues into colonial Marines and I will say its definitely earned its reputation lol. although I have enjoyed some of it. I liked stalker a lot and newts tale ended up being better than I had imagined, I had low expectations though. Mondo pest is as bad as mondo heat but hey gotta have them all ;D. Defiance #3 can't get here soon enough.
Some really great covers, newts tale cover art is superb.
I wonder what is in store for us regarding the future of defiance, story wise. I am really loving the series so far.
Bolton's covers are impeccable. I kinda hope we can get him doing covers for Defiance at some point. I want all these classic guys doing covers for Defiance!!
I remember really liking #5-7 (I think) of Colonial Marines -- the issues on the kelp farms with the crayfish looking aliens and the one shot with the robots. It was all very comic booky but I remember quite liking that issue with the robots.
The problem with the aliens these days is that they've been made NOT scary. They're NOT alien anymore. The design is still perfect, and anyone seeing them for the first time is going to be enthralled, but they straight up aren't scary once you've seen Aliens. The cat's out of the bag. Someone in one of the reviews noted that the aliens are more terrifying when they're walking around like us rather than crawling along the walls, which I agree with, hence why I'll always draw them as often as I can walking around like bipeds, because there's something perversely recognisable in that. it elevates them that extra step above being an animal. IF this thing with the u-shaped head were to pass, I'd be treating exactly like that. It's an alien. I want ANY new design to feel creepily off to begin with, THEN you'll see how terrifying it is. Like Brett, there's nothing inherently terrifying about the creature itself -- until it opens its mouth, until it starts moving, until it starts acting out its purpose for life... same goes for any number of creatures from Star Wars. You could have a heap of them look ridiculous and somewhat funny under a certain context, but when one of their heads splits down the middle and some kind of corpuscle type thing with a hook in it shoots out and clamps into someone's brain, that's when the dynamic shifts and the cards are suddenly on the table.
Alien is largely terrifying because there's an element of hidden beauty to everything -- The Derelict, the Alien itself, the Engineers, even the Queen. There's elegance, there's beauty, there's sexuality, masculinity, femininity, otherworldliness, ethereal elements, and then you sucker punch that with the very visceral nature of all of these things and that's why they work. It's not all about "here is a thing that has to look a certain way because of X to work", which has been evident since Alien itself, but was further proved when Prometheus came about.
And all this is based on something I scribbled out trying to figure out something new... I've drawn everything, even some of those cool DLC heads from Colonial Marines, even played around with the Deacon shapes, but this one, to me, stands out as the most potential to bring something new to the comics beyond slaving to the film designs. Doesn't mean ANY of this will get used, but I'd like it to. And if it does, I can only justify it appearing at a very specific point, and it'd have to come after the Engineers, assuming we get to use them at all...
Quote from: tyrannosaurusjones on Jul 04, 2016, 04:56:23 AMThe problem with the aliens these days is that they've been made NOT scary. They're NOT alien anymore.
One thing I'm really enjoying about
Defiance is how it's really pushing the fact the Aliens are hard to kill. They're anything but cannon fodder in this one. I particularly loved the bit where Davis One talks about how they herded them into the Europa's airlocks and jettisoned them into space because it was simply easier than trying to win a pitched battle with them.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jul 04, 2016, 09:33:46 AM
Quote from: tyrannosaurusjones on Jul 04, 2016, 04:56:23 AMThe problem with the aliens these days is that they've been made NOT scary. They're NOT alien anymore.
One thing I'm really enjoying about Defiance is how it's really pushing the fact the Aliens are hard to kill. They're anything but cannon fodder in this one. I particularly loved the bit where Davis One talks about how they herded them into the Europa's airlocks and jettisoned them into space because it was simply easier than trying to win a pitched battle with them.
^ This!!
Meh, I'd be done with the comic if it starts taking the route of doing too weird of looking Aliens. I'm not againt seeing new designs but going as far as U shaped heads just falls a little into the silly realm for me. But I'm in the minority as one of the few that isn't really digging Defiance.
Feels like you completely dismissed the part about context, though. I'm assuming you don't like Prometheus. I'll also assume you'd've preferred the Blomkamp film went ahead...?
The Queen had a pretty weird head. She worked out okay.
Also, we're only two issues in. I don't expect anyone to dig it until all the cards are on the table. If you don't then, that's cool. But I'll always encourage people to judge things based on what it is, rather than what it isn't.
Oh man, the wait for this is killing me! Defiance has consistently been able to get me more excited the more I hear about it.
It would be cool if
Spoiler
it's setting up Seegson having encounters with the Engineers and xenos in parallel to W-Y's misadventures.
No I'm not a Prometheus fan but I'm also not one of those that wanted Blomkamp's film all that much either. Seen enough of the Ripley story, don't really feel the need to see another. I'm only mildly excited for Covenant. I've certainly got nothing against the art for the comic at all, just isn't a story that's for me all that much yet. Like I said though, I'm in the minority of the people not digging much so don't listen to me, my opinion is worthless on the matter.
Quote from: XenoZipper on Jul 04, 2016, 03:50:26 PM
yet.
Ah! That's the key word I was looking for in your last post! ;) Hopefully we can swing you around. I genuinely value fans opinions -- I won't always agree, but if they're level headed, I'm all for debate over these things. It's part of what I love about the series. I do agree that the Ripley story is done though. I'm intrigued by the idea of her mother being a part of the whole thing, even if it's only a throwaway reference, but I couldn't care much one way or the other about that. As far as I'm concerned, the Ripley story should've ended at 3.
Oh yea, I'm still giving the comic a go, I'm not giving up yet. I love the franchise too much just can't say I'm a big fan of the direction its been going in lately is all. I agree as far as I'm concerned the Ripley story ends with 3. No need to keep retreading for nostalgia sake.
Doesn't get said enough but aside from Tristan's killer art we must also give special praise to Dan Jackson for his superb colouring throughout.
Nothing irks me more than beautiful keylines ruined by over saturated and inappropriate colouring. Dan has found the right muted (realistic) and moody palette for Defiance.
Is it weird that Davis reminds me more of billy crudup than fassbender?
I don't think he's supposed to remind anyone of David. I thought it was more of a callback to the Joes.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jul 07, 2016, 07:35:50 AM
I don't think he's supposed to remind anyone of David. I thought it was more of a callback to the Joes.
I could be wrong but I thought Tristan said he made them to resemble david, only a more low cost/working joe type version.
Yeah, the David resemblance is intentional, I believe. I think it may become a story point in the future.
Fair enough. I must have missed that one!
I was going to write please no new aliens..but after looking at that thing...it looks sick. As in great. Like the small deadly jaw and overall body design. Hope there are still normal looking aliens and not too many new ones though. I wish they'd just spawn normal aliens from any host though and that's just a specially made one. Anyways, at least it's not the bug men crap from colonial marines 1-10. Nice design.
When is issue 3 out? The wait is killing me.
Early August.
Wow that long of a wait for issue 3 eh? I guess by that point I'll have to re-read issue 1 & 2 as I'm already starting to forget things from them.
It got pushed back a month, presumably due to overruns.
Quote from: XenoZipper on Jul 11, 2016, 04:12:54 PM
Wow that long of a wait for issue 3 eh? I guess by that point I'll have to re-read issue 1 & 2 as I'm already starting to forget things from them.
That's not a bad thing. :P
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jul 11, 2016, 06:42:54 PM
That's not a bad thing. :P
Yea true enough. I just don't want to haha I have way too many other things to still read & play catch up with. I haven't re-read any of the last few Alien comics since reading them the first time around going all the way back to the reboot in '09.
Some of the artwork Tristan has been posting on -
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CnYk_pWVUAADFwF.jpg:large)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CnVd1jgWIAI0hwa.jpg:large)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CnS0izMWYAAbLR5.jpg:large)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CnMXm9gWgAE0mq0.jpg:large)
I can't get enough.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jul 15, 2016, 09:07:23 AM(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CnYk_pWVUAADFwF.jpg:large)
This would be one of them "shit hits fan" moments, then.
Can't wait for the next couple of issues!
Reminds me so much of Labyrinth :)
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jul 15, 2016, 09:28:19 AM
Can't wait for the next couple of issues!
The wait is agonising!!!
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jul 15, 2016, 09:07:23 AM
Some of the artwork Tristan has been posting on -
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CnYk_pWVUAADFwF.jpg:large)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CnVd1jgWIAI0hwa.jpg:large)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CnS0izMWYAAbLR5.jpg:large)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CnMXm9gWgAE0mq0.jpg:large)
I can't get enough.
Not bad for a (fellow) Aussie ;-)
Killer artwork. Love his keyline style.
Its been a long wait already, at least there are 2 issues next month.
I re-read Extravehicular and issue #2 while I was doing laundry yesterday, can't wait to get two issues next month! Between Tristan's art, the things he's hinted at, and the mystery going on with Davis and Seegson, this is shaping up to be a really good compliment to the crossovers we're getting. I love how much more rich this universe has become the last two years. I really need to write that letter in support of this series. I hope we can keep it going like fans kept Godzilla: Rulers of Earth going past the initial 12-issue order.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jul 15, 2016, 09:07:23 AM
Some of the artwork Tristan has been posting on -
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CnYk_pWVUAADFwF.jpg:large)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CnVd1jgWIAI0hwa.jpg:large)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CnS0izMWYAAbLR5.jpg:large)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CnMXm9gWgAE0mq0.jpg:large)
I can't get enough.
This is some of the best aliens art ever!
Pre ordered Aliens: Defiance Volume 1 TPB to show support...Amazon doesn't charge until it ships anyhow :)
Depending what extras they pack into the tpb, I may get one of those as well as the single issues.
I'll probably pick up the collected and give my singles away to try and get some other fans interested. Just gotta find out if they plan on doing fancy pant collections.
I hope so.. I love fancy pants collections :laugh:
Me too. And it seems Dark Horse does too. I'd really like them to keep doing these lovely hardback editions.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CnoMEn4WcAAEN2G.jpg:large)
Nice. Love that.
Sweet dropship having a bad day. Tristan, you know how to draw!!
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CnraJarW8AAlo1q.jpg:large)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CnuddZwWIAAVEjU.jpg:large)
I've dropped an email to Dark Horse telling them how much I'm enjoying the series. Really can't wait to see more and more.
Crazy! Where do you suggest we email them at? We need to keep this series going past 12.
There's no reason why Aliens shouldn't have an ongoing series...Godzilla has one..heck itchy & scratchy have one?
Could it be because of Fox wanting everything to be canon? Would make sense..but still...we need it, it's our drug.
Quote from: Nostromo on Jul 19, 2016, 12:29:54 PM
Crazy! Where do you suggest we email them at? We need to keep this series going past 12.
https://www.darkhorse.com/Help/Contact/
God damn, I could stew naked in a bath of this artwork.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jul 19, 2016, 12:47:43 PM
Quote from: Nostromo on Jul 19, 2016, 12:29:54 PM
Crazy! Where do you suggest we email them at? We need to keep this series going past 12.
https://www.darkhorse.com/Help/Contact/
CONTACT US
Your message has been sent to Dark Horse Help - thank you!
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jul 19, 2016, 03:55:27 PM
God damn, I could stew naked in a bath of this artwork.
One possibly one of the strangest things I've read. :laugh:
Some more for you to add to the tub!
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CnyHHmIW8AAZBea.jpg:large)
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jul 20, 2016, 08:14:28 AMOne possibly one of the strangest things I've read. :laugh:
I think it was the heat messing with my head :)
You'll tell me anything. :P
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jul 20, 2016, 08:14:28 AM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jul 19, 2016, 03:55:27 PM
God damn, I could stew naked in a bath of this artwork.
One possibly one of the strangest things I've read. :laugh:
Some more for you to add to the tub!
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CnyHHmIW8AAZBea.jpg:large)
Horrific! One of the few artists who draws Aliens right!
Love those corridors. Tristan Jones "gets" the Alien universe. Found this on his twit thing:
https://twitter.com/tyrannojones/status/758626332913897472
Oh fk me look at this one, keep it up man!!!
https://twitter.com/tyrannojones/status/758005120663715840
One more, but is it from Aliens: Defiance?
https://twitter.com/tyrannojones/status/756827327879847937
One of the best Alien pics I've ever seen. Tristan you should write a lone Alien story sometime with this guy walking around eggmorphing people. That would make one heck of a comic.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CnMXm9gWgAE0mq0.jpg:large)
Close up
https://twitter.com/tyrannojones/status/752869802281164800
I need a defiance fix bad, I can't wait for the next issue to come out.
Gotta love Tristan's work.
Quote from: 426Buddy on Aug 02, 2016, 01:18:26 AM
I need a defiance fix bad, I can't wait for the next issue to come out.
Gotta love Tristan's work.
If I understand correctly, Tristan is not involved with issue 3. I hope I'm wrong but...
Do we have an exact date for Issue 3 yet?
I thought it was meant to be this week.
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Aug 02, 2016, 05:48:19 AMIf I understand correctly, Tristan is not involved with issue 3.
Issues 3 & 4 are a different artist (Riccardo Burchielli) because they're flashbacks, apparently.
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Aug 02, 2016, 05:48:19 AMI hope I'm wrong but...
I don't see why it's anything to worry about. It's not like Tristen won't be back for issue 5.
Quote from: Prez on Aug 02, 2016, 07:01:36 AMDo we have an exact date for Issue 3 yet?
August 17. Good news is issue 4 will follow on the 31st!
Tristan isn't doing 3 and 4 to allow him to get ahead with the other issues he's doing. It's pretty SOP for comics so nothing to worry about.
https://twitter.com/ChatFlixPodcast/status/763307306146639872
Tristan is featured on this podcast. It comes out tomorrow.
Cool, thx. Would be nice to get him on an AvP Galaxy podcast in the future. He also mentioned recently he'd like to start doing his own writing.
Quote from: Nostromo on Aug 10, 2016, 04:01:00 PM
Cool, thx. Would be nice to get him on an AvP Galaxy podcast in the future. He also mentioned recently he'd like to start doing his own writing.
I messaged him a while back but he didn't reply. I think he's probably just really busy. I've not really seen him do many podcast.
Yea for sure.
BTW, preview of Issue 3 Aliens: Defiance is up:
https://www.darkhorse.com/Comics/29-852/Aliens-Defiance-3
Loving the art & colors, cover is mediocre. Nice corridors jeez..
(https://d2lzb5v10mb0lj.cloudfront.net/covers/300/29/29852.jpg)
Well, the new artist Riccardo Burchielli is definitely emulating what Tristan did. The results are better than I expected. I think of it less as a copying a style, and more as maintaining the look of the book. I actually thought perhaps Mark A. Nelson might have done a few issues since he did an alt cover for the first issue (which would have exceeded my expectations), but this is pretty good. You can see the lines have that squiggly detaily effect that we've come to love, but the main difference is the line weight. It is now thicker. It may mean that the drawings are done at a different scale? I don't know.
It is likely that there are perspective references and style references from the video game. Not at all a bad thing in my opinion.
I like the black framing of the panels better than the white. It maintains the ominous look and feels like you're reading in the dark.
Bottom line is that I was worried about this issue and now I am not.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Aug 02, 2016, 08:14:08 AM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Aug 02, 2016, 05:48:19 AMIf I understand correctly, Tristan is not involved with issue 3.
Issues 3 & 4 are a different artist (Riccardo Burchielli) because they're flashbacks, apparently.
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Aug 02, 2016, 05:48:19 AMI hope I'm wrong but...
I don't see why it's anything to worry about. It's not like Tristen won't be back for issue 5.
Quote from: Prez on Aug 02, 2016, 07:01:36 AMDo we have an exact date for Issue 3 yet?
August 17. Good news is issue 4 will follow on the 31st!
I want to have good stylistic continuity in the series. That's what I was worried about. But it looks like they're keeping the look.
I wonder why the android is wearing glasses though...
Oh wait, here's my no-prize... they made him like that because you pleople are more comfortable interacting with your own kind. If he didn't wear the glasses, it would defeat the purpose.
Not!
Well in that case, the Joes would also be wearing space suits in space. Hey come on, these are Working Joes. Maybe these Working Joes are trying to transcend their limitations to become something more. Maybe this is a reflection of their abandoning their mission? He's wearing the glasses to look less like a robot. Ehem, he prefers the term artificial person himself. Oh, there's my no-prize.
They're making you guys pretty close..(to humans)...not too close, I hope. ;D
Something I found from a page I like:
https://twitter.com/tyrannojones/status/763156689272971264
My favorite Alien design of them all (including the movies) is the way Killian Plunkett envisions them (as in Labyrinth), but I must say that this Tristan guy is doing a damn fine job too. Actually, I love his drawing style, at least based on the panels we've seen so far. As I said before I wished that there would be more black-and-white comics in the Alien franchise And Tristan's artwork would've been perfect for it. But I guess that there is no big demand for b&w comics these days when it comes to franchises like this one. Anyways, great job - looking forward to the release.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CpdGQUJUkAEhPRd.jpg)
Oh... Nice.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fvignette1.wikia.nocookie.net%2Favp%2Fimages%2F7%2F76%2FSteamworkshop_webupload_previewfile_373183140_preview.png%2Frevision%2Flatest%3Fcb%3D20151230164610&hash=ac89599e25214de97b968021343a07cf759f2270)
-Windebieste.
Quote from: windebieste on Aug 10, 2016, 10:24:53 PM
Oh... Nice.
http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/avp/images/7/76/Steamworkshop_webupload_previewfile_373183140_preview.png/revision/latest?cb=20151230164610
Heh, so that's who drops them.
I love how much Defiance references Isolation. It gives it a real sense of visual continuity. Say what we will of some of the finer points of the recent releases but that sense of continuity is something I've missed for a long time. Very glad it's back!
The interview with Tristan is up! Just about to listen. http://chatflixpodcast.com.au/episode-9-aliens/ or if you want the direct link: http://hwcdn.libsyn.com/p/8/9/e/89eb664891a39a25/Aliens_Master_1.mp3
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Aug 10, 2016, 06:26:36 PM
Well, the new artist Riccardo Burchielli is definitely emulating what Tristan did.
You think? I thought the style was so notably not Tristan. I do like it though. Couldn't tell you why though, as I'm finding it so very different.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Aug 10, 2016, 04:38:33 PM
Quote from: Nostromo on Aug 10, 2016, 04:01:00 PM
Cool, thx. Would be nice to get him on an AvP Galaxy podcast in the future. He also mentioned recently he'd like to start doing his own writing.
I messaged him a while back but he didn't reply. I think he's probably just really busy. I've not really seen him do many podcast.
Sorry about that! It's been nuts on my end for personal and profesh reasons... email me at tristan dot h dot jones at gmail dot com!
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Aug 11, 2016, 07:18:25 AMYou think? I thought the style was so notably not Tristan. I do like it though. Couldn't tell you why though, as I'm finding it so very different.
Yeah, I think it looks pretty notably different.
Quote from: tyrannosaurusjones on Aug 11, 2016, 07:35:36 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Aug 10, 2016, 04:38:33 PM
Quote from: Nostromo on Aug 10, 2016, 04:01:00 PM
Cool, thx. Would be nice to get him on an AvP Galaxy podcast in the future. He also mentioned recently he'd like to start doing his own writing.
I messaged him a while back but he didn't reply. I think he's probably just really busy. I've not really seen him do many podcast.
Sorry about that! It's been nuts on my end for personal and profesh reasons... email me at tristan dot h dot jones at gmail dot com!
No worries! I figured you were just slammed. Thanks. I'll drop you an email shortly. :)
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Aug 11, 2016, 07:18:25 AM
The interview with Tristan is up! Just about to listen. http://chatflixpodcast.com.au/episode-9-aliens/ or if you want the direct link: http://hwcdn.libsyn.com/p/8/9/e/89eb664891a39a25/Aliens_Master_1.mp3
I'm still listening but so far it's focused more on the discussion of Aliens with some tidbits about Defiance in there. Tristan did drop an interesting piece of info and that's that since Prometheus everything is run past Ridley. He was never one to really be interested in the EU so I thought this was pretty interesting to know!
Ooooh. Controversial rating on Aliens there from Tristan! :P Not wrong either. Aliens is so structurally similar to Alien!
We'll also be seeing more guest artwork for #8 and #9.
;D
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fpowerupgaming.co.uk%2Fimages%2Farticles%2Falien-screen2.jpg&hash=badf8bc6b9d9d74c62f955581a876055b1ba95bd)
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Aug 11, 2016, 08:28:14 AMTristan did drop an interesting piece of info and that's that since Prometheus everything is run past Ridley. He was never one to really be interested in the EU so I thought this was pretty interesting to know!
That
is interesting!
Is the comic out yet? Has anyone read it yet? Anyone here willing to jot down a little review or something? The art looks amazing and the premise of the story sound great.
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Aug 13, 2016, 07:55:58 PM
Is the comic out yet? Has anyone read it yet? Anyone here willing to jot down a little review or something? The art looks amazing and the premise of the story sound great.
Issue #3? It's coming out this Wednesday and issue #4 Aug. 30.
Quote from: Nostromo on Aug 13, 2016, 09:42:12 PM
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Aug 13, 2016, 07:55:58 PM
Is the comic out yet? Has anyone read it yet? Anyone here willing to jot down a little review or something? The art looks amazing and the premise of the story sound great.
Issue #3? It's coming out this Wednesday and issue #4 Aug. 30.
It's out already? Wow! I thought that ALIENS: Defiance was still a work in progress project. Why has it been so quiet about this one around the forums, it seems amazing.
Heh, it's been out a while, since April. But they skipped June and July so it got quiet.
Check them out: https://www.darkhorse.com/Search/Aliens%3A+Defiance+
Quote from: Nostromo on Aug 13, 2016, 10:13:13 PM
Heh, it's been out a while, since April. But they skipped June and July so it got quiet.
Check them out: https://www.darkhorse.com/Search/Aliens%3A+Defiance+
Oh, ok, that explain things. Well, I guess I'll just have to go and get me a copy see for myself.
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Aug 13, 2016, 11:09:49 PM
Quote from: Nostromo on Aug 13, 2016, 10:13:13 PM
Heh, it's been out a while, since April. But they skipped June and July so it got quiet.
Check them out: https://www.darkhorse.com/Search/Aliens%3A+Defiance+
Oh, ok, that explain things. Well, I guess I'll just have to go and get me a copy see for myself.
You won't be disappointed, one of the best already and its only 2 issues in. I can't say enough about how awesome the artwork is and the story thus far is very intriguing.
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Aug 13, 2016, 09:53:42 PMIt's out already? Wow! I thought that ALIENS: Defiance was still a work in progress project. Why has it been so quiet about this one around the forums, it seems amazing.
???
We've been talking about it and signing its praises quite a bit. Just look back through this thread.
I missed issue #1, and the guy at the comics shop I visited said he could order it in no problem, taking about a week. That was like six weeks ago, but I haven't been on their case since I don't really know how this comic stuff works. Is issue #1 all gone?
Quote from: Mr. Clemens on Aug 14, 2016, 10:08:32 PM
I missed issue #1, and the guy at the comics shop I visited said he could order it in no problem, taking about a week. That was like six weeks ago, but I haven't been on their case since I don't really know how this comic stuff works. Is issue #1 all gone?
Nah they're not gone, just call the guy tell him to get you issue 1 2 and 3.
Quote from: Nostromo on Aug 14, 2016, 11:52:17 PM
Quote from: Mr. Clemens on Aug 14, 2016, 10:08:32 PM
I missed issue #1, and the guy at the comics shop I visited said he could order it in no problem, taking about a week. That was like six weeks ago, but I haven't been on their case since I don't really know how this comic stuff works. Is issue #1 all gone?
Nah they're not gone, just call the guy tell him to get you issue 1 2 and 3.
You're going to love it. I read each issue several times already.
I do have issue 2, and I love it. Just gotta get my hands on #1...
I loved that moment in #2 when Zula was sneaking up past the dead alien and she was attacked by the other alien. It is so difficult to build up tension and to have a frightening moment in a comic book. The creative team nailed it. What a delicious moment!
Quote from: Mr. Clemens on Aug 15, 2016, 04:24:40 PM
I do have issue 2, and I love it. Just gotta get my hands on #1...
I'd give your local another shout. There should be plenty of copies available to get online if your local isn't coming through.
Just read Aliens Defiance 3.
A small review:
Spoiler
Cover makes no sense at all after you read the issue. Could have put a nice working Joe instead..
Art quality took a dramatic drop but that was excpected with Tristan Jones coming back in issue 5. Or 6?
Was this story and event really necessary? It's actually better now that I think of it, as it will set up more horror going forward, now that there is less crowd on board.
There was some sneaky dialogue about Amanda Ripley..makes you wonder if she's dead or not. That was well written. As for the story in this issue, it could only get better.
My biggest complain is the cover. It was really ugly and not even necessary. I wonder how something like this got decided...weird. Dumb weird.
Loking forward to the next issue in 2 weeks.
Just picked it up at my local.
Might read it on the bus trip home tonight.
Quote from: Nostromo on Aug 18, 2016, 01:58:09 AM
Just read Aliens Defiance 3.
A small review:
Spoiler
Cover makes no sense at all after you read the issue. Could have put a nice working Joe instead..
Art quality took a dramatic drop but that was excpected with Tristan Jones coming back in issue 5. Or 6?
Was this story and event really necessary? It's actually better now that I think of it, as it will set up more horror going forward, now that there is less crowd on board.
There was some sneaky dialogue about Amanda Ripley..makes you wonder if she's dead or not. That was well written. As for the story in this issue, it could only get better.
My biggest complain is the cover. It was really ugly and not even necessary. I wonder how something like this got decided...weird. Dumb weird.
Loking forward to the next issue in 2 weeks.
Thought the artwork was quite good actually. Thicker keyline style to Tristan's of course but suited the tone well.
Spoiler
In regards to that sneaky bit you mention in the spoiler, Amanda Ripley actually had a small cameo back in issue 1 when she introduces herself to Hendricks.
There is a panel on the last page of this issue after Davis has destroyed all the mutineers and you see Hendrick's foot with what appears to be leaking android milk blood? Or is that Davis' foot? or is she just stepping in pools of milk blood from the other destroyed androids?
Hulking Reviewer's review of #3: http://hulkingreviewer.com/home/reviews/aliens-defiance-3/ They're still loving!
Got a copy of the first issue, and boy, it just blows everything else out of the water. It's up there with Aliens: Sacrifice and Aliens: Labyrinth. Can't wait to check out #2 and #3. Amazing artwork, pacing and dialogue. Feels like Alien: Isolation got the Alien franchisee back on track and raised the bar, which makes me happy. I hope that A:D won't drop in quality as the series continue.
^ Smart man
Sweet new preview for Issue #4 is out.
https://www.darkhorse.com/Comics/Previews/29-853?page=0
:o
I wonder if a certain someone is going to be making a more prominent appearance in this as the series goes on?
The artist switched mid-series? Never seen that happen before.
It happens on the longer running series. Marvel does it quite often. It's to give Tristan a chance to get ahead on some of the later issues.
Colonial Marines had four artists. And a guest panel by Killian Plunkett.
DOTS had three artists (though Baretto did most of the issues).
Can't remember the last time DH did anything for Aliens over 7 issues (I think Marines was 12 issues & AvP Three World War was 6 issues).
FYI the Trade is tentatively scheduled for early 2017 http://www.bookdepository.com/Aliens--Defiance-Volume-1/9781506701264 & here https://www.darkhorse.com/Search/aliens+defiance
I'm getting all the issues but will get the trade as well.
Quote from: Prez on Aug 22, 2016, 12:54:36 PM
I'm getting all the issues but will get the trade as well.
Same. I'm slowly replacing all my singles with trades. Might as well just buy along with these. But then again, if they do a fancy pants hardback edition for Defiance....
If Defiance continues like this I'll buy the comics, the TPB'S, the HC's and the fancy pants.
Btw, that tpb is volume 1 as it collects issues 1-6. Volume 2 will probably come soon...
Colonial Marines was 10 issues, AVP: Deadliest Of The Species was 12.
I hope this series continues past 12 or change the title and start another 12 issue run that has some continuity or even set in another time frame.
I wonder who is the person most involved or responsible for Aliens: Defiance? SM, perhaps you know?
Brian Wood I imagine.
Thanks, started following him on TW. Has some interesting posts there, not sure if these have been posted before:
Looking like a dream team to me, Brian Wood & Tristan Jones. Heck even Dan Jackson is great as a colorist. And Nate Piekos on the letters.
https://twitter.com/brianwood/status/723319025934147584
https://twitter.com/13th_Dimension/status/725813868090413056
https://twitter.com/blastr/status/725416719729221632
As great as Tristan's Kline work is, much credit to Dan for his fantastic colours too.
Some possible spoiler art from Tristan :o
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https://twitter.com/tyrannojones/status/766634178448207876
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https://twitter.com/tyrannojones/status/768260999828811776
Quote from: Nostromo on Aug 24, 2016, 02:25:00 AM
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https://twitter.com/tyrannojones/status/768260999828811776
Holy sheet. That looks incredible!
Yeah, wow.
Sweet Jesus that looks awesome
How was issue 3? I have 1+2 and think its ok. But is 3 just a flashback then?
The second makes me want to scream "CHOKE ON 'EM!"
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.standbyformindcontrol.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2014%2F05%2FDay.Of_.The_.Dead_.1985.Bluray.1080p.DTS_.x264%2B15.jpg&hash=068b61fd6338d905d2073eccee8f526dbbea7e13)
Man this art will look amazing in a fancy pants hardcover if it gets released.
Quote from: T Dog on Aug 24, 2016, 12:03:52 PM
How was issue 3? I have 1+2 and think its ok. But is 3 just a flashback then?
no dude. It's not a flash back. I really enjoyed the third issue. The art is not as good as issue 1 and 2 bout its still very good and feels similar due to the colourist I think.
You're right, the colorist Dan Jackson makes a big difference, really like his colors.
Found another Aliens: Defiance picture. You guys want me to be putting spoilers on these?
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CpJDYXXVUAAj_W-.jpg:large)
Nah, no need. Not unless it looks like a story revelation but I doubt Tristan would be sharing those.
I finally got around to reading issue #3, and I have to say it was pretty great!
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I love, love, love all the sorts of different stories we're getting from this universe lately. This issue had not a single xenomorph, but still managed to be compelling and make me even more interested in what's to come. Seeing the synthetics expanded on is really cool world-building. I cannot wait to learn more about why David 01 is so special. The little Amanda Ripley reference was nice, and I agree, it leaves a good amount of ambiguity about her fate.
As for the art, I didn't find the shift as jarring as I thought I would, and it suited the story well. That being said, I do look forward to getting Tristan back.
Can't wait for #4 on Wednesday!
Yeah, I got my copy of issue 3 today. Great stuff. Really liking how the story's progressing. The art is a step down from Tristan's work, but it's by no means bad, it's just a bit less awesome.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Aug 26, 2016, 05:48:25 PM
Yeah, I got my copy of issue 3 today. Great stuff. Really liking how the story's progressing. The art is a step down from Tristan's work, but it's by no means bad, it's just a bit less awesome.
So true man. We are spoiled with Tristen but this fill in artist is still producing some of the better art in an aliens book I have seen.
I just looked at the preview for #4 and
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I'm really curious to see if Amanda Ripley does wind up coming into the mix more as it goes on.
Hicks and I were discussing that just last night :) Would be awesome if it turns out to be the case!
Bleeding Cool has a short preview of issue #5. Beware of spoilers. Tristan is back, baby!
http://www.bleedingcool.com/2016/08/28/caught-between-xenomorphs-and-colonial-marines-exclusive-preview-of-aliens-defiance-5/ (http://www.bleedingcool.com/2016/08/28/caught-between-xenomorphs-and-colonial-marines-exclusive-preview-of-aliens-defiance-5/)
Quote from: Ultramorph on Aug 29, 2016, 02:12:42 AM
Bleeding Cool has a short preview of issue #5. Beware of spoilers. Tristan is back, baby!
http://www.bleedingcool.com/2016/08/28/caught-between-xenomorphs-and-colonial-marines-exclusive-preview-of-aliens-defiance-5/ (http://www.bleedingcool.com/2016/08/28/caught-between-xenomorphs-and-colonial-marines-exclusive-preview-of-aliens-defiance-5/)
How do you find all these thx Ultra! This series is just too damn good and all we need to know is just one thing:
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Midspace fueling station. Damn that sounds great.:)
Here's a pic from #4 on sale this Wednesday, we gonna go in and we gonna conquer!
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CrCg8BFUkAIG8Vn.jpg)
Holy effin' shit! I can't believe I'm so excited about a comic. It's been 20 years or something.
Just got issue 3 today! I was worried about the art but even though its not Tristan its still great.
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Loved this issue even though it didn't contain any aliens. Davis 01 is no ordinary android and it was fun finding out Zula and Ripley were friends on that lunar base.
I can't get enough Defiance, bring on the next issue!
Quote from: 426Buddy on Aug 30, 2016, 01:47:36 AM
Just got issue 3 today! I was worried about the art but even though its not Tristan its still great.Spoiler
Loved this issue even though it didn't contain any aliens. Davis 01 is no ordinary android and it was fun finding out Zula and Ripley were friends on that lunar base.
Gotta get it ASAP!
Go on Wednesday and pick up #4 too!
Quote from: 426Buddy on Aug 30, 2016, 01:47:36 AM
Just got issue 3 today! I was worried about the art but even though its not Tristan its still great.Spoiler
Loved this issue even though it didn't contain any aliens. Davis 01 is no ordinary android and it was fun finding out Zula and Ripley were friends on that lunar base.
I have to say I'm really drawn into these characters. That they held an issue with no Aliens is a great testament to the characters Wood has created. I'm especially interested in Davis. I felt the same as you about the artwork too. It was good, just feel spoiled by Tristan.
Got Issue #4 this morning, so will be reading that later :)
#4 is out?
Quote from: Nostromo on Aug 30, 2016, 04:01:39 AM
Go on Wednesday and pick up #4 too!
Somebody wake up Hicks!
Sorry always wanted to say that. Whiskeybrewer where are you from that you got it this morning? It's 8 am lol.
Looking forward to heading to my local comic shop tomorrow to pick up my order! They even give me a complimentary plastic sleeve for each issue.
Might have to try and sneak out of work early tomorrow to go fetch it!
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Quote from: Nostromo on Aug 30, 2016, 04:01:39 AM
Go on Wednesday and pick up #4 too!
Somebody wake up Hicks!
Sorry always wanted to say that. Whiskeybrewer where are you from that you got it this morning? It's 8 am lol.
Lol Im in the UK, popped into my local Comic shop at 11am my time. Got my copy of Issue #2 of Preadtor Vs Judge Dredd Vs Aliens at the same time lol
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Quote from: Nostromo on Aug 31, 2016, 12:09:19 PM
Quote from: Nostromo on Aug 30, 2016, 04:01:39 AM
Go on Wednesday and pick up #4 too!
Somebody wake up Hicks!
Sorry always wanted to say that. Whiskeybrewer where are you from that you got it this morning? It's 8 am lol.
Lol Im in the UK, popped into my local Comic shop at 11am my time. Got my copy of Issue #2 of Preadtor Vs Judge Dredd Vs Aliens at the same time lol
Haha cool, I'm still in bed I work from home Wednesdays, going to get it as soon as I get up lol. Please let me know how goes the AVP vs Judge Dredd #2 also. Will read Defiance 4 tonight.
I haven't picked up #3 yet. Going to read both in one sitting. So stoked!
Just read Issue 4. Another good story. Will write a review in a few weeks to give you guys some time to catch up. I'm just going to place a nice spoiler beneath which I'm sure you will all be happy to see it, but maybe you shouldn't.
I don't think it will ruin anything, it will probably make you look more forward into reading Defiance. It's something to do with my signature lol. Here it is, I found this lying around somewhere:
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I left out half of the next panel on purpose(https://s12.postimg.io/5lwimrf5p/20160831_221347.jpg)
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Nice issue with good character build up. Story feels kind of short, but I guess there could only be so much dialogue between a human and a synth. Wish comics were 32 pages with no ads.
Hoping to go pick mine up later this evening! ;D
Be grabbing mine at the weekend, really looking forward to it!
Two issues this month almost makes up for not having any last month :)
Read Issue #4 last night and i like the slow build of it. Its the calm before the storm really
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Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Aug 10, 2016, 04:38:33 PM
Quote from: Nostromo on Aug 10, 2016, 04:01:00 PM
Cool, thx. Would be nice to get him on an AvP Galaxy podcast in the future. He also mentioned recently he'd like to start doing his own writing.
I messaged him a while back but he didn't reply. I think he's probably just really busy. I've not really seen him do many podcast.
Sorry about that! It's been nuts on my end for personal and profesh reasons... email me at tristan dot h dot jones at gmail dot com!
Just remembered to mention I dropped you an email, Tristan. It'll be from corporal dot hicks at avpgalaxy dot net.
Just finished issue #4, a solid if not very action packed issue.
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So we now know for sure that Bugs are enemy troops. I'm ok with this.
One thing I didn't like, and I felt the same way with her appearance in issue #1 to a lesser extent, was Amanda Ripley. I'm a-ok with having her in the story but I feel like they keep getting how she looks wrong. Jones was close but she didn't look right, like they got someone else and applied makeup to her to have her look like Amanda rather than it actually being Amanda. Brescini had someone totally different, almost looks closer to Nina Taylor than Amanda.
Other than that, I love the tension. If this were a movie, the scene where Davis approaches the cut in half Alien in the debris field would have had me on the edge of my seat. :P
Just read #4
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The one thing that bothers me is believing that Zula actually survived a blast from that close of range. She should have been blasted into a few pieces so I'm having a hard time going with this story and actually caring about what's going on. Amanda seems like she was just shoehorned in & not really needed. Pretty sure Dr.Yang is going to end up being a typical corporate spy for Weyland being used as a "friendly face" for Zula. I just don't know about these new sets of comics. They're really not captivating me in the slightest like it is for all you. I'm feel no "tension" at all but then again I'm also one that didn't care much for Alien Isolation either.
Quote from: XenoZipper on Sep 01, 2016, 05:39:48 PM
Just read #4
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The one thing that bothers me is believing that Zula actually survived a blast from that close of range. She should have been blasted into a few pieces so I'm having a hard time going with this story and actually caring about what's going on.
It was actually 2 huge blasts, yeah that was kind of overdone. But you probably still have 1 in a 1000 chance (Probably less) of surving as the blast might go another way, but highly unlikely.
Amanda seems like she was just shoehorned in & not really needed.
I don't mind it, as it adds another good location to travel too, I just hope that's not the whole focus of the story. Plus, I'm happy to finally see some type of continuity.
Pretty sure Dr.Yang is going to end up being a typical corporate spy for Weyland being used as a "friendly face" for Zula.
That was my impression too.
I just don't know about these new sets of comics. They're really not captivating me in the slightest like it is for all you.
I can understand what your saying, but I'm staying positive and just thining issues 3 and 4 are a necessary bridge for the rest of the storyline. My only issue is how short each issue feels, I go through them in like 10 minutes I think.
I'm feel no "tension" at all but then again I'm also one that didn't care much for Alien Isolation either.
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Quote from: XenoZipper on Sep 01, 2016, 05:39:48 PM
Just read #4
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The one thing that bothers me is believing that Zula actually survived a blast from that close of range. She should have been blasted into a few pieces so I'm having a hard time going with this story and actually caring about what's going on.
It was actually 2 huge blasts, yeah that was kind of overdone. But you probably still have 1 in a 1000 chance (Probably less) of surving as the blast might go another way, but highly unlikely.
Amanda seems like she was just shoehorned in & not really needed.
I don't mind it, as it adds another good location to travel too, I just hope that's not the whole focus of the story. Plus, I'm happy to finally see some type of continuity.
Pretty sure Dr.Yang is going to end up being a typical corporate spy for Weyland being used as a "friendly face" for Zula.
That was my impression too.
I just don't know about these new sets of comics. They're really not captivating me in the slightest like it is for all you.
I can understand what your saying, but I'm staying positive and just thining issues 3 and 4 are a necessary bridge for the rest of the storyline. My only issue is how short each issue feels, I go through them in like 10 minutes I think.
I'm feel no "tension" at all but then again I'm also one that didn't care much for Alien Isolation either.
It's difficult for me to be positive about these stories. I haven't really been liking anything Dark Horse has done with the properties since they rebooted things back in '09. I hate the shared universe between all 3 as well and see it as nothing more than a cash grab when they decided to split a story over 4 different titles (Fire & Stone anyone? Life & Death?). I'm not going to stop reading because I'm a huge Alien nut but I'm not impressed by them at all nor do I really like expressing my feelings about the stories here because of how much all the rest are just eating everything up. I don't do well with conflicting and every time I start disagreeing with someone or vice versa, I feel less & less welcome here so I don't say much anymore. Eventually I'm sure I'll stop coming here & just continue my Alien journey on my own like it's always been. I'm getting off topic now so I'll shut up.
You guys have my sympathies
Really though, you'll be lucky to find even 2 fans here that can agree on anything aliens or predator related. Can't put to much stock in what others here like or don't like and just share your opinions and take the responses for what they are, opinions.
Yea I've noticed it's difficult to connect with anyone around here. Figured that wouldn't be the case on a site dedicated to the franchise but I've been proved wrong. I'm not terribly too interested in just the opinions though. I came here to connect with like minded fans because there's nobody in the area I live that is even into this stuff so I have nobody to geek out over it with.
Quote from: 426Buddy on Sep 01, 2016, 07:05:52 PM
You guys have my sympathies
Really though, you'll be lucky to find even 2 fans here that can agree on anything aliens or predator related. Can't put to much stock in what others here like or don't like and just share your opinions and take the responses for what they are, opinions.
That's exactly it. I have a great deal of respect for all the people on here simply because we share the same great taste in films. Even the guys and gals I don't agree with have a lot of great stuff to say. We are all united by a great passion for this series. :)
It's not just the forum, its really the fan base as a whole. Everyone likes this series for their own reasons and everyone has strong opinions on what they like and don't like about the franchise.
Personally I think its because every movie in the alien franchise has been wildly different in tone and story.
I don't feel the unity like you guys do but that's me. Most fans I've come across end up being kind of dicks & it was their opinion or nothing. Just my experience with the franchise. I'm glad you guys have had positive experiences but I haven't had much yet.
Not sure if i ever felt any unity with the fan base. What i'm trying to say I think is that this isn't that kind of franchise. What I've noticed since I've been visiting places online over the last few decades, you are mostly right, other fans are really passionate and really fight for the validity of their opinions. So if you're looking for unity and agreement about what makes this series great, you probably aren't going to find that anywhere.
Yea you're right on that. I guess it's just the part of me that doesn't like debating or arguing with people over opinions that kind of taints it for me a little bit. I don't like to be confrontational at all and just look for the like minded people to avoid that as much as I can. It's just too bad the opinions are so all over the place for this particular franchise. I don't experience it nearly to this extent on any others.
This place is a tea party compared to the music forums I visit! :D
Anyway back on topic, thanks everybody for using the spoiler tags. Getting mine tomorrow. :)
I'm going to enjoy 3 and 4 back to back when I pick up mine. And I do mean ENJOY!
Quote from: XenoZipper on Sep 01, 2016, 07:59:40 PM
Yea you're right on that. I guess it's just the part of me that doesn't like debating or arguing with people over opinions that kind of taints it for me a little bit. I don't like to be confrontational at all and just look for the like minded people to avoid that as much as I can. It's just too bad the opinions are so all over the place for this particular franchise. I don't experience it nearly to this extent on any others.
Hahaaha Xenozipper if you were a superhero they'd call you Mr. Negative or Negatron lol. Joke, don't kill me. /Hides
Honestly I understand you, same here when I see someone saying AVPR was awesome or A3 is better than 1-2 in my head I'm like wtf are you talking about m8, under which rock did they dig you up from LOL...but I've learned to let it go, because I figure some are young fans who might change views, others like action more than horror or vice versa, heck some others like naked green little men, others like anything that has the word Alien printed on it, etc etc etc, really none of my business...It's like you, when you tell me you like go-bots or some sh!t I want to reach through my TV and choke you, but I don't, you know why? because I can't lol.
No seriously though, I've read every Alien comic besides countdown and 2-3 more and Defiance I feel is the one that appeals the most to my taste. I haven't seen any completely dumb sh!t yet, and I do excpect that this series will have it's Alien and Aliens moments even though issues 3-4 didn't it can't always be great. I say give Defiance the benefit of the doubt, I would like to hear your views on Life and Death instead, a Xenozipper major negativity event is badly needed in that thread lol. ;D
Would that not make me a super villain then with a name like Negatron? Nah I don't really have any opinions on Life & Death. Read both Pred & Prometheus & honestly, they just went through one eye and out the other. Nothing memorable to me at all to talk about. And yes I realize I sound very negative a lot. Don't have a lot good going on in my life right now to be positive about so maybe that taints my view as I read. Guess I could always go back to the old saying of, "if you have nothing nice to say, don't say anything at all".
Quote from: XenoZipper on Sep 01, 2016, 10:18:09 PM
Read both Pred & Prometheus & honestly, they just went through one eye and out the other.
The way Fire and Stone was released was a mess. If you read it as it was "intended" then it's quite a fun romp IMO. Dark Horse just really needs to get a catch all title for the series rather than re-titling every 4 issues, I like it but it can't be that great of a market practice. :P
Quote from: XenoZipper on Sep 01, 2016, 10:18:09 PM
And yes I realize I sound very negative a lot. Don't have a lot good going on in my life right now to be positive about so maybe that taints my view as I read. Guess I could always go back to the old saying of, "if you have nothing nice to say, don't say anything at all".
IRL affects our perception on nearly everything, don't worry about feeling negative and saying what you think. I've found that some of the expanded universe stories I used to hate a few years ago I now love. :)
Like 426Buddy said, each of the movies are just so different and that's probably the reason for the split in the fandom.
I'm interested in what you think could be done better in the comic. :)
Yea I read Fire & Stone as intended. That one I waited for all of it to be out & read it as it's meant. Only parts of it were interesting to me. As for what could be done better, I'm honestly not sure. Where everyone is liking the characters & feeling tension, I'm just getting nothing. I have 0 emotion towards any of them human or synth so maybe there's nothing for me personally that could be done better. Maybe it is from being in blah moods lately but I dunno. I read many other kinds of comics and enjoy them immensely, just not these ones for some reason.
Which ones do you enjoy the most?
Also, what would you like to see more of? Which movie is more your style? Alien or Aliens? I prefer Alien more but loved Aliens for the locations, settings and good story. So my taste range might be more flexible. Maybe you only liked one scene? Maybe only the newborn? Please tell me you don't want to see another newborn? Common there must be something that you would want to see more of?
What matters more to you? Story? Art? Characters? The Alien/s? Terror? Action? Space locations? You must be a huge Alien fan like us if you're here. What would you tell Dark Horse if you could? It better not be the end is nigh! Lol.
Me personally I like to see huge commercial or industrial space ships, space stations or bases on exoplanets with long rusted out or dark corridors, a great story, not too many people, a crew of 7 is enough, and terror. That's what does it for me, that's why Alien is ny favorite movie of all time and Aliens 3rd or 4th. I see a lot of these elements in Defiance, Isolation, AVP1 and especially AVP2 which is my favorite game of all time and I used to be a big game junkie in 2000-2007..
In comics I like Berserkers, Labyrinth, Havoc vol.1, and Fast track to Heaven which is the only comic that had an Alien theme instead of Aliens, for me at least, though the story was way too small.
So yeah, I guess this means I'm a sci-fi space horror/space sci-fi fanatic and love every minute of it.
Your problem might also be Dark Horse, I've noticed the culture there seems to be a bit more mainstream action oriented and less serious that I originally thought. I'm sure there all gung ho types who like boring ass gun fights in Alien movies that's why they've produced or allowed so many sh!t Alien comics to be produced. I haven't seen anything smart besides 2-3 series since the beginning...30 effin years ago. Need some higher iq people to run this series like Brian Wood who's doing a great job so far..
Quote from: Nostromo on Sep 02, 2016, 03:20:24 AM
Which ones do you enjoy the most?
Labyrinth is my top, book 1 & 2, Hive, things like that
Also, what would you like to see more of? Which movie is more your style? Alien or Aliens? I prefer Alien more but loved Aliens for the locations, settings and good story. So my taste range might be more flexible. Maybe you only liked one scene? Maybe only the newborn? Please tell me you don't want to see another newborn? Common there must be something that you would want to see more of?
No I'm not big on Resurrection and do not want to see another newborn. I like Alien & Aliens equally for different reasons. What I'd like to see more of? Learning new aspects of the aliens like they did in Labyrinth with Church's little back story.
What matters more to you? Story? Art? Characters? The Alien/s? Terror? Action? Space locations? You must be a huge Alien fan like us if you're here. What would you tell Dark Horse if you could? It better not be the end is nigh! Lol.
ALL that stuff is important to me. Probably story the most.
Me personally I like to see huge commercial or industrial space ships, space stations or bases on exoplanets with long rusted out or dark corridors, a great story, not too many people, a crew of 7 is enough, and terror. That's what does it for me, that's why Alien is ny favorite movie of all time and Aliens 3rd or 4th. I see a lot of these elements in Defiance, Isolation, AVP1 and especially AVP2 which is my favorite game of all time and I used to be a big game junkie in 2000-2007..
In comics I like Berserkers, Labyrinth, Havoc vol.1, and Fast track to Heaven which is the only comic that had an Alien theme instead of Aliens, for me at least, though the story was way too small.
So yeah, I guess this means I'm a sci-fi space horror/space sci-fi fanatic and love every minute of it.
Your problem might also be Dark Horse, I've noticed the culture there seems to be a bit more mainstream action oriented and less serious that I originally thought. I'm sure there all gung ho types who like boring ass gun fights in Alien movies that's why they've produced or allowed so many sh!t Alien comics to be produced. I haven't seen anything smart besides 2-3 series since the beginning...30 effin years ago. Need some higher iq people to run this series like Brian Wood who's doing a great job so far..
Quote from: XenoZipper on Sep 02, 2016, 04:04:57 AM
No I'm not big on Resurrection and do not want to see another newborn. I like Alien & Aliens equally for different reasons. What I'd like to see more of? Learning new aspects of the aliens like they did in Labyrinth with Church's little back story.
Totally agree here. My one complaint with all the fair we've been getting is how the Aliens are constantly portrayed as big bug like zombies. Church's little back story was f-ed up, but fit with the Aliens perfectly. I want the Aliens to be intelligent, I always pictured them as being a somewhat more bestial Coeurl: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coeurl
While not having Coeurl's total sapience, but... I don't know quite how to explain it...
It's the same feeling I get playing as the Alien in any of the AvP games, the Alien you play as has that vicious nature tempered by human caution.
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Quote from: XenoZipper on Sep 02, 2016, 04:04:57 AM
No I'm not big on Resurrection and do not want to see another newborn. I like Alien & Aliens equally for different reasons. What I'd like to see more of? Learning new aspects of the aliens like they did in Labyrinth with Church's little back story.
Totally agree here. My one complaint with all the fair we've been getting is how the Aliens are constantly portrayed as big bug like zombies. Church's little back story was f-ed up, but fit with the Aliens perfectly. I want the Aliens to be intelligent, I always pictured them as being a somewhat more bestial Coeurl: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coeurl
While not having Coeurl's total sapience, but... I don't know quite how to explain it...
It's the same feeling I get playing as the Alien in any of the AvP games, the Alien you play as has that vicious nature tempered by human caution.
Actually that Coeurl sounds pretty damn neat and I can kinda get what you're meaning about it and I can roll with that for sure. I don't like seeing them portrayed as annoying bugs that are easily killed either. I'm right with you in wanting to see a lot more intelligence. I don't want them to start speaking or anything like that though haha
There's no denying that this fanbase is so ridiculously varied. Each of the films is so completely different and certain people are drawn to certain elements. And that's good! Where's the fun in all being the same? Of course, we all have overlapped opinions and completely differing opinions. I'm loving Defiance but the only Fire and Stone I really enjoyed was Predator, the rest not so much and I'm not massively into Life and Death so far either.
I'm gutted to hear you don't feel you can share your differing opinions. I feel that despite our massively varied community, we can all respectfully disagree. We got rid of all the childish ones years back and we're all adults here that can disagree nicely.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Sep 02, 2016, 07:45:00 AM
I'm gutted to hear you don't feel you can share your differing opinions. I feel that despite our massively varied community, we can all respectfully disagree. We got rid of all the childish ones years back and we're all adults here that can disagree nicely.
It's not all the time I feel that way. Just when it's an over abundance of opinions leaning one way & I'm the odd man out that I feel it's best I just don't really bother saying anything. Defiance being a good example with a very large amount loving it & a very very small amount not. Some of it is me as well because I get overly passionate over things & get a little defensive at times as well. Again, could just be life being horrid for me lately putting me in a shit mood which in turn makes it difficult for me to interact with people properly as I'm just in a crabby mood 90% of the time. Negatron as I was fittingly called haha (I actually dig that name for me Nostromo so thanks for that) I still like it here, just not nearly as talkative as I was at the beginning.
Quote from: XenoZipper on Sep 02, 2016, 09:50:34 AM
Just when it's an over abundance of opinions leaning one way & I'm the odd man out that I feel it's best I just don't really bother saying anything. Defiance being a good example with a very large amount loving it & a very very small amount not.
I think it's more just that those who don't like it or are indifferent are just not posting. I wasn't too much of a fan of it when it came out since it was very slow burn, but as it gains more substance I can see the comic's general premise starting to shine through. This is Alien: Isolation the comic pretty much. Yeah it has a marine, yeah it has combat androids, but it's leaning heavily on the stylistic choices and atmosphere of Isolation.
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Zula Hendricks should have an Arc Reactor in her chest after everything she has been through. ;D
I wasn't a big fan of Alien Isolation so maybe that's part of it too. The tone for the game was good I'll admit that but for the most part I found the gameplay pretty boring (open doors with the jack thing, hide, repeat many times over) & I really suck at stealth games so I never made it very far which didn't allow me to enjoy it rather I got more frustrated the more I kept failing. Sure I could look up videos on youtube to just follow the story so I know how the game turns out but I'm not crazy about sitting there watching someone else play a game because I want to do it but I suck at that one. I do like the art of Defiance though I ain't knocking that in the slightest. Your spoiler made me laugh though, it's so true.
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Or if not an Arc Reactor then she should at least be like Robocop & only her brain & front part of her face are the only original parts left haha That part in #4 actually did make me think of Iron Man 1 though, it was very similar to that scene :P
If you can't do stealth games, you're gonna hate Isolation. No other way around that I'm afraid. :'(
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Sep 02, 2016, 10:57:38 AM
If you can't do stealth games, you're gonna hate Isolation. No other way around that I'm afraid. :'(
I know. I bought the game back when it was first released. I wouldn't have minded so much if my many deaths were caused by the alien but that wasn't the case. Those damn synths & the other crazies running around the ship were my killers. Frustrated me a ton & I haven't popped the game back in since. I don't
hate hate the game, just hard for me to enjoy it when I can't progress. Trust me, I really wanted to enjoy it and was super stoked for the game before I got to try it.. and then I tried it and I sucked haha :P
Quote from: XenoZipper on Sep 02, 2016, 11:14:22 AMThose damn synths
I loved Isolation, but I totally see what you mean, here. Every time I came across a pack of Working Joes I'd think, "maybe I'd be happier with a cup of tea and some nice music right now." :D
Quote from: Kurai on Sep 02, 2016, 04:30:36 AM
Quote from: XenoZipper on Sep 02, 2016, 04:04:57 AM
No I'm not big on Resurrection and do not want to see another newborn. I like Alien & Aliens equally for different reasons. What I'd like to see more of? Learning new aspects of the aliens like they did in Labyrinth with Church's little back story.
Totally agree here. My one complaint with all the fair we've been getting is how the Aliens are constantly portrayed as big bug like zombies. Church's little back story was f-ed up, but fit with the Aliens perfectly. I want the Aliens to be intelligent, I always pictured them as being a somewhat more bestial Coeurl: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coeurl
While not having Coeurl's total sapience, but... I don't know quite how to explain it...
It's the same feeling I get playing as the Alien in any of the AvP games, the Alien you play as has that vicious nature tempered by human caution.
That's how I always pictured them too, smart, vicious and terrorizing. I'm not sure what Dark Horse is thinking printing all this Gung Ho crap most of the time. But Defiance and Fast Track to Heaven have made me a bit more optimistic thinking hopefully they will realize their errors at some point..
And for our friend Xenozipper I say:
;D
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F67.media.tumblr.com%2F92d09d660ceea2b10e8ea962efed5f45%2Ftumblr_mutkueBMCG1rso0m5o1_500.jpg&hash=60e276385b074d0c04a0513e74b0059ae46a9135)
PS> Actually I would like for you to remain Negatron. We can't all be positive lol. Besides most of the time I'm very skeptic about stuff too, so I come out looking negative people tend to think. Negatron it is than hehe!
Quote from: Nostromo on Sep 02, 2016, 01:34:38 PMhttp://67.media.tumblr.com/92d09d660ceea2b10e8ea962efed5f45/tumblr_mutkueBMCG1rso0m5o1_500.jpg
:laugh:
Quote from: Nostromo on Sep 02, 2016, 01:34:38 PM
And for our friend Xenozipper I say:
http://67.media.tumblr.com/92d09d660ceea2b10e8ea962efed5f45/tumblr_mutkueBMCG1rso0m5o1_500.jpg
Haha! Love it. Being a Transformers nut I'll take that Negatron name with pride :D I always loved the Decepticons. I'm drawn to the villains in most cartoons I've watched since I was a kid. They get the best lines.
Does anyone get the impression that Zula and Davis are going to be the ones that pick up Amanda at the end of Isolation ?
Quote from: Russ840 on Sep 03, 2016, 03:14:31 PM
Does anyone get the impression that Zula and Davis are going to be the ones that pick up Amanda at the end of Isolation ?
I have been thinking this myself.
That's pretty cool. I would love that. Why not.
It seems to be a possibility with how issue 4 plays out regarding Amanda's message to Zula.
I feel Davis isn't what we think he is or has as good intentions as we think.
Spoiler
Keeping the finger of the alien after Zula told him to leave that stuff alone is kinda making me think so. I think he may be just another corporate plant made to think is on her side just like I think Dr.Yang's going to turn out to be.
My special order (haha) of issue #1 is still MIA, so even though I've got issues 2-4 now, I think I'll just wait for the TPB as far as #1 goes.
Can anyone give me a spoilerific rundown of what happened in #1?
You could order it from here too, it must be so cheap to order from them if you're in the US.
https://www.tfaw.com/Search?_results_use_stopwords=true&quick_sstring=aliens+defiance&_results_sstype_search=
I'm in Canada, and I'm just not bothered, honestly. I'm gonna buy the trade eventually, and I'll still buy new issues, but I just wanna know what happened in #1.
Quote from: Mr. Clemens on Sep 04, 2016, 01:34:23 AM
I'm in Canada, and I'm just not bothered, honestly. I'm gonna buy the trade eventually, and I'll still buy new issues, but I just wanna know what happened in #1.
Cheers Man! Fellow Canadian.
I'm Canadian as well. I called up my local comic shop but they don't have any copies of any Defiance issues so it's been all digital for me at the moment. Buying from the US at the moment is something I don't even consider with our dollar being so worthless there right now.
The shipping cost for small items from US to Canada is ridiculous since 2014 or so..I just buy every TPB from Amazon.ca..and issues from a local store.
And Mr. Clemens, I've read so much stuff lately I've forgotten what happened in issue 1. Maybe someone else can help or you can get the digital for around $1-2.
I wish I could hit my local store more often but it's not actually as "local" as it should be. Nearest comic shop to me is about an hour & 45 minute drive from where I live. There's no actual comic stores in the small town I live in & I don't have wheels so I don't get over to the next city very often unfortunately. Last time I got to hit the store up was about a year & a half ago. I hate being in a small town. I miss living in Vancouver but it got way too costly to live there & had to move but everything was available there. Never needed to buy online ever until I moved to where I am now.
I just read #4, and this series is staying strong all the way through!
Spoiler
I'm really hoping this picks up on the ending of Isolation (http://isolation). I like how character driven these last two issues were. I'm really starting to like Hendricks, and Davis remains intriguing. I wonder if saving the finger is just innocent "appreciating life" or if he'll turn. I hope it's more complicated than the latter.
I liked the art in this issue, especially the battle scene. It will still be nice to have Tristan back on with #5.
Quote from: Russ840 on Sep 03, 2016, 05:03:00 PMIt seems to be a possibility with how issue 4 plays out regarding Amanda's message to Zula.
Boo. Spoilers.
Quote from: Russ840 on Sep 03, 2016, 03:14:31 PM
Does anyone get the impression that Zula and Davis are going to be the ones that pick up Amanda at the end of Isolation ?
It's a good idea but I don't feel like that's the way they're going. At least, not yet.
QuoteShe doesn't try to contact Amanda in #4 but rather her doctor.
Quote from: XenoZipper on Sep 03, 2016, 07:43:47 PM
I feel Davis isn't what we think he is or has as good intentions as we think.
Spoiler
Keeping the finger of the alien after Zula told him to leave that stuff alone is kinda making me think so. I think he may be just another corporate plant made to think is on her side just like I think Dr.Yang's going to turn out to be.
I'm not so sure. It seems like it'd be too pedestrian of a turn and I don't think there's any real indication of that. Perhaps Davis is more interested the actual chemistry that the Alien might be capable of advancing. Building his own biomechanical body to transfer his consciousness too, something like that. After all, he is
Spoiler
quite damaged at the minute.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Sep 05, 2016, 08:27:14 AM
Quote from: XenoZipper on Sep 03, 2016, 07:43:47 PM
I feel Davis isn't what we think he is or has as good intentions as we think.
Spoiler
Keeping the finger of the alien after Zula told him to leave that stuff alone is kinda making me think so. I think he may be just another corporate plant made to think is on her side just like I think Dr.Yang's going to turn out to be.
I'm not so sure. It seems like it'd be too pedestrian of a turn and I don't think there's any real indication of that. Perhaps Davis is more interested the actual chemistry that the Alien might be capable of advancing. Building his own biomechanical body to transfer his consciousness too, something like that. After all, he is
Spoiler
quite damaged at the minute.
That actually sounds pretty cool! I hope they don't take the pedestrian turn and would love to see it go that way. Hopefully someone on the writing team is that inventive to bring the idea in.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Sep 04, 2016, 08:29:32 PM
Quote from: Russ840 on Sep 03, 2016, 05:03:00 PMIt seems to be a possibility with how issue 4 plays out regarding Amanda's message to Zula.
Boo. Spoilers.
What did I spoil ?
Check it out:
http://t-rexjones.deviantart.com/gallery/54898446/Sequential-Art
https://twitter.com/tyrannojones/status/772785320727158784
Quote from: XenoZipper on Sep 05, 2016, 12:57:52 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Sep 05, 2016, 08:27:14 AM
Quote from: XenoZipper on Sep 03, 2016, 07:43:47 PM
I feel Davis isn't what we think he is or has as good intentions as we think.
Spoiler
Keeping the finger of the alien after Zula told him to leave that stuff alone is kinda making me think so. I think he may be just another corporate plant made to think is on her side just like I think Dr.Yang's going to turn out to be.
I'm not so sure. It seems like it'd be too pedestrian of a turn and I don't think there's any real indication of that. Perhaps Davis is more interested the actual chemistry that the Alien might be capable of advancing. Building his own biomechanical body to transfer his consciousness too, something like that. After all, he is
Spoiler
quite damaged at the minute.
That actually sounds pretty cool! I hope they don't take the pedestrian turn and would love to see it go that way. Hopefully someone on the writing team is that inventive to bring the idea in.
I'm hoping that might be where they take David in Covenant.
Quote from: Russ840 on Sep 05, 2016, 04:40:43 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Sep 04, 2016, 08:29:32 PM
Quote from: Russ840 on Sep 03, 2016, 05:03:00 PMIt seems to be a possibility with how issue 4 plays out regarding Amanda's message to Zula.
Boo. Spoilers.
What did I spoil ?
Spoiler
That Amanda makes an appearance in #4
Quote from: Nostromo on Sep 05, 2016, 10:06:13 PM
Check it out:
http://t-rexjones.deviantart.com/gallery/54898446/Sequential-Art
https://twitter.com/tyrannojones/status/772785320727158784
Absolutely f**king gorgeous.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Sep 06, 2016, 07:32:19 AM
Quote from: XenoZipper on Sep 05, 2016, 12:57:52 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Sep 05, 2016, 08:27:14 AM
Quote from: XenoZipper on Sep 03, 2016, 07:43:47 PM
I feel Davis isn't what we think he is or has as good intentions as we think.
Spoiler
Keeping the finger of the alien after Zula told him to leave that stuff alone is kinda making me think so. I think he may be just another corporate plant made to think is on her side just like I think Dr.Yang's going to turn out to be.
I'm not so sure. It seems like it'd be too pedestrian of a turn and I don't think there's any real indication of that. Perhaps Davis is more interested the actual chemistry that the Alien might be capable of advancing. Building his own biomechanical body to transfer his consciousness too, something like that. After all, he is
Spoiler
quite damaged at the minute.
That actually sounds pretty cool! I hope they don't take the pedestrian turn and would love to see it go that way. Hopefully someone on the writing team is that inventive to bring the idea in.
I'm hoping that might be where they take David in Covenant.
Quote from: Russ840 on Sep 05, 2016, 04:40:43 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Sep 04, 2016, 08:29:32 PM
Quote from: Russ840 on Sep 03, 2016, 05:03:00 PMIt seems to be a possibility with how issue 4 plays out regarding Amanda's message to Zula.
Boo. Spoilers.
What did I spoil ?
Spoiler
That Amanda makes an appearance in #4
Quote from: Nostromo on Sep 05, 2016, 10:06:13 PM
Check it out:
http://t-rexjones.deviantart.com/gallery/54898446/Sequential-Art
https://twitter.com/tyrannojones/status/772785320727158784
Absolutely f**king gorgeous.
Apologies. I thought that had been spoken about already but looking back I can see that it's all discussed via spoiler captions.
Sorry guys
No worries.
I'm just really curious what they're going to do with Amanda in this so I'd like to find out for myself rather than read it on here :)
Quote from: Russ840 on Sep 03, 2016, 03:14:31 PM
Does anyone get the impression that Zula and Davis are going to be the ones that pick up Amanda at the end of Isolation ?
Personally I hope not, but for the reason being that it may make an Isolation sequel decanonize Defiance. However, it could be cool if this is all an actual prequel to an Isolation 2 based more along the lines of Aliens where you play as Hendricks, that could be epic. :laugh:
Quote from: Kurai on Sep 10, 2016, 10:47:52 PMPersonally I hope not, but for the reason being that it may make an Isolation sequel decanonize Defiance.
By all accounts, we won't be getting an
Isolation sequel. If that's the case, I'd love to see the story picked up in comic form.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Sep 11, 2016, 12:35:47 PM
Quote from: Kurai on Sep 10, 2016, 10:47:52 PMPersonally I hope not, but for the reason being that it may make an Isolation sequel decanonize Defiance.
By all accounts, we won't be getting an Isolation sequel. If that's the case, I'd love to see the story picked up in comic form.
Hopefully this part of Fox's bigger collective strategy for the Alien universe - aligning the EU to compliment the films, games, etc. I like the idea that they are overseeing all content now so we have a far more aligned canon universe like Star Wars (well lets not speak about the now redundant EU in that universe).
Quote from: Prez on Sep 11, 2016, 11:51:15 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Sep 11, 2016, 12:35:47 PM
By all accounts, we won't be getting an Isolation sequel. If that's the case, I'd love to see the story picked up in comic form.
Hopefully this part of Fox's bigger collective strategy for the Alien universe - aligning the EU to compliment the films, games, etc. I like the idea that they are overseeing all content now so we have a far more aligned canon universe like Star Wars (well lets not speak about the now redundant EU in that universe).
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcdn.mysitemyway.com%2Fetc-mysitemyway%2Ficons%2Flegacy-previews%2Ficons-256%2Fgreen-metallic-orbs-icons-business%2F082642-green-metallic-orb-icon-business-thumbs-up1.png&hash=87be1906eb852fe9336d7859d3802f290afd5af2)
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Sep 11, 2016, 12:35:47 PM
Quote from: Kurai on Sep 10, 2016, 10:47:52 PMPersonally I hope not, but for the reason being that it may make an Isolation sequel decanonize Defiance.
By all accounts, we won't be getting an Isolation sequel. If that's the case, I'd love to see the story picked up in comic form.
Absolutely seconding this. I'd love a true video game sequel to Isolation, but if that's completely off the table, I think Dark Horse should do a comic book follow-up.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CsNBrI9WcAAzGf2.jpg:large)
Tristan better watch he doesn't get sued by Gearbox for ripping off their guns :P
Man would that be f*cking ironic...
Fox owns the designs anyway. :P I'm still hoping to see that shotgun concept from AvP1!
f**king gorgeous as per.
Love the way he draws the Aliens, especially their jaws. They are kind of closed usually, with the classic grin, compared to some that draw them always fully opened and attacking like a regular animal. Love the smooth top too. He knows his stuff.
(https://s22.postimg.io/yx6uurikh/Untitledlkj.jpg)
Think I'm gonna need a cold shower lmao :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Tristan is the first artist since Denis B to get the Xeno's anatomically perfect.
He simply just nails it!
Quote from: Nostromo on Sep 13, 2016, 03:52:00 PMcompared to some that draw them always fully opened and attacking like a regular animal.
"Xenomorphs are no more intelligent than squirrels."
Quote from: g2vd on Sep 14, 2016, 01:53:41 PM
Quote from: Nostromo on Sep 13, 2016, 03:52:00 PMcompared to some that draw them always fully opened and attacking like a regular animal.
"Xenomorphs are no more intelligent than squirrels."
Aw, nuts!
The solicitation for #8, out on
December 28:
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(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1.wp.com%2Fmajorspoilers.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2016%2F09%2FALDEF-8-FC-FNL.jpg&hash=c126e6ae61286eeafe96b8b0790a41edbcf05601)
QuoteAliens: Defiance #8
Brian Wood (W), Tristan Jones (A), Dan Jackson (C), and Massimo Carnevale (Cover)
On sale Dec 28
FC, 32 pages
$3.99
Ongoing
Keeping a baby xenomorph alive, even in a frozen state, contradicts all the survival instincts that Zula and Hollis have. But by studying the alien in cryostasis, Davis believes he can discover how to exterminate it and the rest of its forsaken, vile race permanently. Is he dooming the mission in the name of science?
I wonder of that's the planet we see them crashing on in
Extravehicular? I doubt it's LV-223! :laugh:
Also, DH has a short preview of #5. It's good to have Tristan back! Beware of spoilers.
http://www.darkhorse.com/Comics/Previews/29-854?page=0 (http://www.darkhorse.com/Comics/Previews/29-854?page=0)
Quote from: Ultramorph on Sep 15, 2016, 10:55:31 PM
The solicitation for #8, out on December 28:
Spoiler
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1.wp.com%2Fmajorspoilers.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2016%2F09%2FALDEF-8-FC-FNL.jpg&hash=c126e6ae61286eeafe96b8b0790a41edbcf05601)
QuoteAliens: Defiance #8
Brian Wood (W), Tristan Jones (A), Dan Jackson (C), and Massimo Carnevale (Cover)
On sale Dec 28
FC, 32 pages
$3.99
Ongoing
Keeping a baby xenomorph alive, even in a frozen state, contradicts all the survival instincts that Zula and Hollis have. But by studying the alien in cryostasis, Davis believes he can discover how to exterminate it and the rest of its forsaken, vile race permanently. Is he dooming the mission in the name of science?
I wonder of that's the planet we see them crashing on in
Extravehicular? I doubt it's LV-223! :laugh:
Also, DH has a short preview of #5. It's good to have Tristan back! Beware of spoilers.
http://www.darkhorse.com/Comics/Previews/29-854?page=0 (http://www.darkhorse.com/Comics/Previews/29-854?page=0)
Nice cover for #8. And that preview got me wet...Fuel Depot...this guy must have played AVP 2 map packs
Quote from: Ultramorph on Sep 15, 2016, 10:55:31 PM
The solicitation for #8, out on December 28:
Spoiler
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1.wp.com%2Fmajorspoilers.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2016%2F09%2FALDEF-8-FC-FNL.jpg&hash=c126e6ae61286eeafe96b8b0790a41edbcf05601)
QuoteAliens: Defiance #8
Brian Wood (W), Tristan Jones (A), Dan Jackson (C), and Massimo Carnevale (Cover)
On sale Dec 28
FC, 32 pages
$3.99
Ongoing
Keeping a baby xenomorph alive, even in a frozen state, contradicts all the survival instincts that Zula and Hollis have. But by studying the alien in cryostasis, Davis believes he can discover how to exterminate it and the rest of its forsaken, vile race permanently. Is he dooming the mission in the name of science?
I wonder of that's the planet we see them crashing on in
Extravehicular? I doubt it's LV-223! :laugh:
Also, DH has a short preview of #5. It's good to have Tristan back! Beware of spoilers.
http://www.darkhorse.com/Comics/Previews/29-854?page=0 (http://www.darkhorse.com/Comics/Previews/29-854?page=0)
Not too bad of a cover for #8. Not too crazy on how the Xeno's look on it but I'm getting used to that from Life & Death & don't keep my hopes up too high. I don't read reviews on comics though. Never read a single one for any comic, I just read the issue when it comes out :P
Lol nostomo we have totally different taste in cover art :laugh:
I really dislike the covers for this series, especially #5.
However Tristan's art is amazing and that preview for #5 hits the sweet spot for this alien fan.
Quote from: 426Buddy on Sep 16, 2016, 12:32:22 AM
Lol nostomo we have totally different taste in cover art :laugh:
I really dislike the covers for this series, especially #5.
However Tristan's art is amazing and that preview for #5 hits the sweet spot for this alien fan.
Yea that's me in a nutshell. Not really digging the covers for any of the newer series' going on for Aliens, Pred or Prometheus but at least the art inside Defiance makes up for that (even though the story is doing nothing for me). Can't say the same about Life & Death though. Is it me or it the art getting worse on that or at the very least, looks lazy especially after Prometheus #4?
Quote from: 426Buddy on Sep 16, 2016, 12:32:22 AM
Lol nostomo we have totally different taste in cover art :laugh:
I really dislike the covers for this series, especially #5.
However Tristan's art is amazing and that preview for #5 hits the sweet spot for this alien fan.
I hated covers 3-4, I hate aliens in jungles but I like this cover for some reason..not too crazy about the claws/hands though. Heads look ok. Tristan art is number 1.
Quote from: XenoZipper on Sep 16, 2016, 12:36:23 AM
Quote from: 426Buddy on Sep 16, 2016, 12:32:22 AM
Lol nostomo we have totally different taste in cover art :laugh:
I really dislike the covers for this series, especially #5.
However Tristan's art is amazing and that preview for #5 hits the sweet spot for this alien fan.
Yea that's me in a nutshell. Not really digging the covers for any of the newer series' going on for Aliens, Pred or Prometheus but at least the art inside Defiance makes up for that (even though the story is doing nothing for me). Can't say the same about Life & Death though. Is it me or it the art getting worse on that or at the very least, looks lazy especially after Prometheus #4?
Yeah, thank God for Defiance. Issue #5 looks KICK ASS both for Alien & Aliens fans! It looks so good I'm willing to forgive anything that's coming up in Life & Death. Fuel Depots & Corridors bro. lol
Quote from: Nostromo on Sep 16, 2016, 01:21:15 AM
Quote from: XenoZipper on Sep 16, 2016, 12:36:23 AM
Quote from: 426Buddy on Sep 16, 2016, 12:32:22 AM
Lol nostomo we have totally different taste in cover art :laugh:
I really dislike the covers for this series, especially #5.
However Tristan's art is amazing and that preview for #5 hits the sweet spot for this alien fan.
Yea that's me in a nutshell. Not really digging the covers for any of the newer series' going on for Aliens, Pred or Prometheus but at least the art inside Defiance makes up for that (even though the story is doing nothing for me). Can't say the same about Life & Death though. Is it me or it the art getting worse on that or at the very least, looks lazy especially after Prometheus #4?
Yeah, thank God for Defiance. Issue #5 looks KICK ASS both for Alien & Aliens fans! It looks so good I'm willing to forgive anything that's coming up in Life & Death. Fuel Depots & Corridors bro. lol
I've seen nothing about #5 yet as I avoid reviews so I'll find out when the issue comes out I guess. Fuel depots & corridors mean nothing to me. I'm looking for
New things, not retreading the same areas we've seen before. I'm not looking to recreate Alien, Aliens or Isolation but that's me.
Quote from: XenoZipper on Sep 16, 2016, 01:44:21 AM
I've seen nothing about #5 yet as I avoid reviews so I'll find out when the issue comes out I guess. Fuel depots & corridors mean nothing to me. I'm looking for New things, not retreading the same areas we've seen before. I'm not looking to recreate Alien, Aliens or Isolation but that's me.
I guess it's hard to come up with new and unique ideas like the ones in Labyrinth and that other nice comic you posted the other day.
Out of curiosity, do you ever write your own ideas down on paper or do you know how to draw well?
Quote from: Nostromo on Sep 16, 2016, 01:54:20 AM
Quote from: XenoZipper on Sep 16, 2016, 01:44:21 AM
I've seen nothing about #5 yet as I avoid reviews so I'll find out when the issue comes out I guess. Fuel depots & corridors mean nothing to me. I'm looking for New things, not retreading the same areas we've seen before. I'm not looking to recreate Alien, Aliens or Isolation but that's me.
I guess it's hard to come up with new and unique ideas like the ones in Labyrinth and that other nice comic you posted the other day.
Out of curiosity, do you ever write your own ideas down on paper or do you know how to draw well?
Yep I come up with ideas on a constant basis but they rarely have to do with the Aliens or Pred just because I know how hard it is to please the fans so I personally wouldn't even attempt writing anything in that world. As for drawing... pfft I wish!! I have 0 drawing skills whatsoever or I'd be going crazy with that and the ideas I come up with. Most of the stuff I write is more along the lines of H.P.Lovecraft.
I'm loving Carnivale's covers for this series lol.
I even like the less-than-perfect Aliens on this one, it makes them look like ghostly wraiths in the mist.
Wow...no one's written in here for a while.
Just picked up and read Aliens Defiance issue #5.
This is THE BEST Aliens issue I've read in years and so far my favorite one of the series. You can tell the writer and artists have putten great work and time into this. Every page kept me on my feet and wanting more. Unfkinbelieavable. I love this story and sceneries.
I truly believe that this entire series should one day be made into a movie. The story is that good. Unreal. I really like the characters even more now.
Anyhow this is a perfect 10/10 issue for me.
Just finished reading #05. Eh. It was ok but still not captivating me all that much.
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Personally I felt it took too many notes from Alien Isolation when I'd rather it just be it's own thing. Bringing that tool thing in that Amanda uses in the game, Dr.Hollis' line of "listen, there's something on this station", pretty much the same line like the first guy you come across in the game, nitpicky things I know but that stuff bugs me. The gore was decent though, that was about it that saved it for me. I laughed when Zula started talking about Dr.Yang maybe betraying her. Saw that coming a mile away, predictable. The Aliens were drawn fairly nice though. So yea, the Aliens & the gore kills were about all I liked personally. I still have no care for Zula in the slightest.
Quote from: Nostromo on Sep 29, 2016, 01:23:21 AMThis is THE BEST Aliens issue I've read in years and so far my favorite one of the series.
:laugh: Was literally just coming on here to say this. Although technically this is the first
Aliens series I've actually read... But definitely my favourite issue of it so far.
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Personally, I loved all the Isolation beats. The fate of the fuel station was a nice parallel to Sevastopol. Also, the slaughter montage was pretty disturbing.
Great stuff.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Sep 29, 2016, 08:34:37 AM
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Personally, I loved all the Isolation beats. The fate of the fuel station was a nice parallel to Sevastopol. Also, the slaughter montage was pretty disturbing.
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And that's what I'm having a problem with. It was too much like Sevastopol to me that it just felt like they were repeating things instead of doing something different but then again, I'm not a huge fan of Isolation either as I felt that was trying too hard to be Alien instead of it's own thing. I do agree with the slaughter montage though & thought that was pretty good.
Did anyone notice
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The dog alien that Tristan snuck in ?
Amazing book.
Sorry I don know how to make that covered with a spoiler tag. Can a moderator do it ?
I loved #5, Its a great beat in the overall story and the double realisation for Zula was brilliant.
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Sorry I don know how to make that covered with a spoiler tag. Can a moderator do it ?
Done and it's this one. :)
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Quote from: Russ840 on Sep 29, 2016, 10:56:30 AM
Sorry I don know how to make that covered with a spoiler tag. Can a moderator do it ?
Done and it's this one. :)
Thanks Hicks
Quote from: Russ840 on Sep 29, 2016, 10:56:30 AMDid anyone notice
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The dog alien that Tristan snuck in ?
Didn't spot that one myself!
Quote from: Russ840 on Sep 29, 2016, 10:56:30 AM
Did anyone notice
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The dog alien that Tristan snuck in ?
Sorry I don know how to make that covered with a spoiler tag. Can a moderator do it ?
Oh? I have to pick this up on digital immediately!
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Sep 29, 2016, 12:04:00 PM
Quote from: Russ840 on Sep 29, 2016, 10:56:30 AMDid anyone notice
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The dog alien that Tristan snuck in ?
Didn't spot that one myself!
It's there.
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on one of the pages which show all the aliens moving around the ship after they get let out. It is crouched In front some standard warriors. It has no dorsal spines and a smooth head and is more fleshy.
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Personally, I loved all the Isolation beats. The fate of the fuel station was a nice parallel to Sevastopol. Also, the slaughter montage was pretty disturbing.
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And that's what I'm having a problem with. It was too much like Sevastopol to me that it just felt like they were repeating things instead of doing something different but then again, I'm not a huge fan of Isolation either as I felt that was trying too hard to be Alien instead of it's own thing. I do agree with the slaughter montage though & thought that was pretty good.
I really thought you'd go Negatron on the Aliens Life & Death issue, not sure why you don't like Defiance, it's really following the Alien and Aliens movies, same with Isolation. But I respect your opinion! I know you like the biology side of Aliens like Labyrinth, Aliens:Theory of Alien Propagation, etc. But yeah, that was a mega Negatronis strike right there folks haha.
Latest issue was some nice readage. You guys Spotted the Terminator reference?
I can't wait to get #5 in the mail, love this series!
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Personally, I loved all the Isolation beats. The fate of the fuel station was a nice parallel to Sevastopol. Also, the slaughter montage was pretty disturbing.
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And that's what I'm having a problem with. It was too much like Sevastopol to me that it just felt like they were repeating things instead of doing something different but then again, I'm not a huge fan of Isolation either as I felt that was trying too hard to be Alien instead of it's own thing. I do agree with the slaughter montage though & thought that was pretty good.
I really thought you'd go Negatron on the Aliens Life & Death issue, not sure why you don't like Defiance, it's really following the Alien and Aliens movies, same with Isolation. But I respect your opinion! I know you like the biology side of Aliens like Labyrinth, Aliens:Theory of Alien Propagation, etc. But yeah, that was a mega Negatronis strike right there folks haha.
I know I said something in the Aliens L&D thread but I don't think it was much as I just have nothing to say about that series so I probably won't be posting in that thread about it. As for why I don't like Defiance, is for all the reasons you just brought up. I personally feel it's trying too hard to be like the movie & Isolation (And I'm just not a fan of Isolation either so that taints my view I suppose) and not enough of trying to do it's own thing. And I'm just not connecting to the characters at all either so I'm not caring about what happens to them. It's better than Life and Death as a whole that's for sure, it's just not what I was looking for. Totally cool that everyone else is loving it to each their own, I'm not saying anything bad about the fans I just won't be agreeing with anyone on that note. Just my 2 cents. I guess I could just not say anything if I have nothing nice to say beings as I seem to be the only one that isn't liking it anyway haha
Quote from: XenoZipper on Sep 29, 2016, 06:38:49 PM
I'm not a huge fan of Isolation either
I know where you are probably stuck in Isolation and got turned off. For me it was the hardest part of the game and I was actually thinking how the heck am I going to get past this and continue the game. Would you happen to have gotten turned off at the part where you first meet the Alien as it's breaking down through some vent? And you need to find some card to open a doctor's office? I must have died 30 times around there. I would turn left hide inside a filing cabinet thing, wait for the alien to drop than once it starts walking run left and through that door. In there is where I kept getting caught...I really think you should continue this game as it's not really all hide and sneak..
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Quote from: XenoZipper on Sep 29, 2016, 06:38:49 PM
I'm not a huge fan of Isolation either
I know where you are probably stuck in Isolation and got turned off. For me it was the hardest part of the game and I was actually thinking how the heck am I going to get past this and continue the game. Would you happen to have gotten turned off at the part where you first meet the Alien as it's breaking down through some vent? And you need to find some card to open a doctor's office? I must have died 30 times around there. I would turn left hide inside a filing cabinet thing, wait for the alien to drop than once it starts walking run left and through that door. In there is where I kept getting caught...I really think you should continue this game as it's not really all hide and sneak..
Actually no, I made it past where you first meet the Alien. I have no problems dealing with the Alien. It's the damn androids that caused 99% of my deaths and I just got really frustrated at having to be set back so far to keep repeating things over & over. When that kind of thing happens, I lose my temper really fast & all the fun is sucked away for me, the game became a chore rather than being a fun game for me. The story of the game doesn't bother me at all but the gameplay does. I really suck at stealth games & don't find that aspect enjoyable. Once in a while I still pop it in for Survivor mode & maybe Crew Expendable from time to time but I rarely ever touch the main game anymore. I didn't bother buying any of the DLC for it either. Figured it would be a waste of money if I can't even beat the normal game.
Quote from: XenoZipper on Sep 29, 2016, 07:42:23 PM
It's the damn androids that caused 99% of my deaths
There was a couple of places where those androids fked up my day too. I'm sure everyone had an issue with them at some point throughout the game. The worse is if you saved somewhere right before getting wacked across the head and your previous save was 5 levels eariler. lol
Anyhow, I cannot accept tht you don't ike Defiance, read it again lol.
Defiance is probably the first comic I've read in a long time in the whole DH Alien franchise that (for me) really feels like the Alien universe. A lot of that has to do with Tristan's visuals. His attention to detail and reusing a lot of common visual elements seen in the movies is perfect for me.
I'm really enjoying this story - it leaves L&D & F&S for dead IMO.
Quote from: Nostromo on Sep 29, 2016, 11:28:23 PM
Anyhow, I cannot accept tht you don't ike Defiance, read it again lol.
You'll have to accept it :P I just don't like the character. Zula does nothing for me to get into the story. I like the artwork though if that counts for anything. Just not the story.
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I hate the whole thing dealing with her back & how she acts like she always has something to prove because of her disadvantaged back. And that's not just specific to Defiance, I hate any character whether it's a movie, cartoon, comic character whatever that acts like they constantly have to prove their worth over their disabilities. To me, it draws unneeded attention to the disability when I only care about knowing about the person themselves. Just a personal thing I guess. The characters in the story may judge her for being disabled but I personally don't, so the whole thing bugs me.
Understandable but I thought it would be mentioned much more. She has been ok and not whiny the last few issues. Especially in the 5th. All characters acted very normal and smart. No dumb stuff here.
What about the locations? Fuel depot stations, more huge space ships?
Quote from: Nostromo on Sep 30, 2016, 03:09:23 AM
Understandable but I thought it would be mentioned much more. She has been ok and not whiny the last few issues. Especially in the 5th. All characters acted very normal and smart. No dumb stuff here.
What about the locations? Fuel depot stations, more huge space ships?
Yea I'll admit it was nice that the back thing was only very breif in #5 as oppose to previous issues. As for locations, I'm a planet person more than I am for ships & stations. They're cool & all but I much prefer weird exotic alien planets. That's always been my thing when it comes to sci-fi & ships/stations came 2nd.
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Not sure if this is a story-related or artist related fact, but anyone notice how issue 5's Aliens were Cameron's Warriors rather than Isolation's Big Chaps? I like to think that this is because as we go deeper into the story that the Aliens are older.
Quote from: Kurai on Sep 30, 2016, 09:21:38 PM
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Not sure if this is a story-related or artist related fact, but anyone notice how issue 5's Aliens were Cameron's Warriors rather than Isolation's Big Chaps? I like to think that this is because as we go deeper into the story that the Aliens are older.
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there is a dog alien in there on one panel as well. You can see it couched in front of warrior. It has a smooth head with slim on it. No dorsal spines. The slim kind of looks like ridges but I think that is to hide it
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You're right. I didn't even notice that on the first read through
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You're right. I didn't even notice that on the first read through
I have noticed so many really nice little visual queues in this issue also. Such a great artist.
Quote from: Kurai on Sep 30, 2016, 09:21:38 PM
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Not sure if this is a story-related or artist related fact, but anyone notice how issue 5's Aliens were Cameron's Warriors rather than Isolation's Big Chaps? I like to think that this is because as we go deeper into the story that the Aliens are older.
Didn't AVPR ruin that for us already or have we been given leave to disregard it?
Finally got around to reading #5, and I loved it!
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I'm still down for where this mystery is headed. I'm enjoying seeing Zula struggle with her loyalties, and Davis remains a favorite of mine.
I liked the number of Easter eggs in this issue, from the Prometheus space suit to the Cyberdyne logo, to the dog-alien to the Auriga-type ship. I will say, though, when I heard there was a dog-alien in the issue, I thought we were talking about a Tim Lebbon dog-alien, and got way too excited! :laugh:
Tristan just killed it on the art. Those xenos look amazing, and I liked the electric gun they used to subdue them.
Nice review on issue #5.
http://readingwithaflightring.weebly.com/reviews/aliens-defiance-5
I love the art, the characters and the somewhat obfuscated storyline, but I'm fearing that this series is going get too action oriented. To me it feels like we're heading that direction.
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I was NOT pleased to see the Colonial Marines being introduced in full force. It was kind of a relief to leave them out and focus on other human elements. I hope that the CM squads are eliminated fast and won't become an integral part of A:D.
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I love the art, the characters and the somewhat obfuscated storyline, but I'm fearing that this series is going get too action oriented. To me it feels like we're heading that direction.
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I was NOT pleased to see the Colonial Marines being introduced in full force. It was kind of a relief to leave them out and focus on other human elements. I hope that the CM squads are eliminated fast and won't be can integral part of A:D.
Yes, let's hope they all get decimated quickly I didn't like that electric gun crap thing in the end there. I like the new 3 person crew. I too prefer to see more scientific and horror stuff than guns.
Bleeding Cool has a badass preview of #6:
http://www.bleedingcool.com/2016/10/02/exclusive-dark-horse-previews-tomb-raider-9-aliens-defiance-6/ (http://www.bleedingcool.com/2016/10/02/exclusive-dark-horse-previews-tomb-raider-9-aliens-defiance-6/)
The art just keeps getting better and better!
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Quote from: Kurai on Sep 30, 2016, 09:21:38 PM
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Not sure if this is a story-related or artist related fact, but anyone notice how issue 5's Aliens were Cameron's Warriors rather than Isolation's Big Chaps? I like to think that this is because as we go deeper into the story that the Aliens are older.
Didn't AVPR ruin that for us already or have we been given leave to disregard it?
Predator infused growth hormones to get the hunt underway faster. ;)
Quote from: Ultramorph on Oct 03, 2016, 03:13:24 AM
Bleeding Cool has a badass preview of #6:
http://www.bleedingcool.com/2016/10/02/exclusive-dark-horse-previews-tomb-raider-9-aliens-defiance-6/ (http://www.bleedingcool.com/2016/10/02/exclusive-dark-horse-previews-tomb-raider-9-aliens-defiance-6/)
The art just keeps getting better and better!
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Just
wow. Really need to go pick up #5.
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I was NOT pleased to see the Colonial Marines being introduced in full force. It was kind of a relief to leave them out and focus on other human elements. I hope that the CM squads are eliminated fast and won't become an integral part of A:D.
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Personally, I'm loving that they've brought the Marines into it, if only because this time they're the quote unquote "bad guys". That's something we haven't seen before. I see some potential there.
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F*ck a duck,
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Oct 03, 2016, 07:36:21 AMJust wow. Really need to go pick up #5.
You really do!
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Quote from: Ultramorph on Oct 03, 2016, 03:13:24 AM
Bleeding Cool has a badass preview of #6:
http://www.bleedingcool.com/2016/10/02/exclusive-dark-horse-previews-tomb-raider-9-aliens-defiance-6/ (http://www.bleedingcool.com/2016/10/02/exclusive-dark-horse-previews-tomb-raider-9-aliens-defiance-6/)
The art just keeps getting better and better!
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Just wow. Really need to go pick up #5.
By the Hammer of Thor. Dammit Tristan, you really are spoiling us
Amazing Tristan!
God I love this series. That art is rising to the top all time alien comic art. Look out Beauvais and Plunkett, you now have some competition!
Yup! amazing stuff. Tristan really makes the Aliens look majestic, graceful and imposing in the right way. Again, great job! Love this series.
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Just hoping that the Colonial Marines in this episode is just a short guest appearance and nothing more than that.
Quote from: 426Buddy on Oct 03, 2016, 03:57:58 PM
Amazing Tristan!
God I love this series. That art is rising to the top all time alien comic art. Look out Beauvais and Plunkett, you now have some competition!
Good call. I never thought of that - that is Tristan's style reminded me of Plunkett.
Just got issue number 5, def digging the art, but this issue felt a little rushed storywise. With the episode like nature of the series, it feels sometimes like there is a lot of gaps between issues. Just kinda feels like we are missing out on things and sometimes feels like things happen between frames even that I would like to see. Not sure if that makes sense.
anyway thats just me nitpicking, this series has been excellent.
I cannot heap enough praise on this series. Didn't feel rushed to me, just felt like an episode like they all have so far. I do feel like the story is going to pick up following this. And as always, knocked out the f**king park by Tristan Jones. That artwork, man. I just want to shake the man's hand!
So Extravehicular probably takes place somewhere around the next few issues... Do you think they're going to skip over it, expect that you got the free comic or do you think it will be incorporated into a future issue?
Given how important the events seemed, I'd be very surprised if it wasn't incorporated.
In fact I wouldn't be surprised if they just stick it in there with altered text boxes to make it fit into the story.
The fact Extravehicular wasn't a proper side-story is probably my only real complaint about the series so far.
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The fact Extravehicular wasn't a proper side-story is probably my only real complaint about the series so far.
Agreed. I was actually really surprised that Hendricks featured in it at all, I was hoping for some prequel treatment and instead got "spoilers" :P
Extravehicular was just a piece taken from a future issue.
It's part of the story.
Whats interestinbg about owning "extravehicular" is that the physical copy features big chap and when that segment gets included in a future issue it will be a praetorian like it already is in the digital copy.
Quote from: 426Buddy on Oct 08, 2016, 01:41:48 PM
Whats interestinbg about owning "extravehicular" is that the physical copy features big chap and when that segment gets included in a future issue it will be a praetorian like it already is in the digital copy.
That big chap fella in Extravehicular is next on Neca's Series 11. Tristan just confirmed on Twitter.
:-XWell it'll be the praetorian (bigugly) that the smooth headed bigchap design was changed into for he digital copy and presumably when the issue is released.
Has anyone mentioned yet that Europa is apparently another Joseph Conrad reference?
Conrad served on an iron steamer called the Europa.
How many issues are out now? I only read the first 2!
There have been 5 issues so far
Anyone else see that, according to Dark Horse's website, issue 9 will be illustrated by Tony Brescini again, not Tristan?
EDIT: Actually, having checked, issues 7 and 8 are likewise not illustrated by Tristan, they're by a guy called Stephen Thompson.
http://hulkingreviewer.com/home/reviews/aliens-defiance-6/
So Dave liked lissue #6. "I honestly don't what else to say at this point, I'm running out of positive adjectives. Defiance is the penultimate Aliens series right now, and has the potential to be the new benchmark. Go get it."
How can any fan not love Defiance? It's easily one of the best aliens series ever printed.
Quote from: 426Buddy on Oct 25, 2016, 03:47:18 PM
How can any fan not love Defiance? It's easily one of the best aliens series ever printed.
Beings as I seem to be the only one here that doesn't like it much, for me I just have no care for the characters and the throwbacks to Alien Isolation as I didn't like the game much either. That's just me though. The art is pretty decent I'll admit that but characters and story are doing nothing for me personally. I dunno, something just rubs me the wrong way with these new comic series but that's why I'm not going to bother saying anything about them anymore when new issues come out. Easier to keep it to myself when I'm the only one thinking that way haha
What if there was a dancing Godzila, a transformer and slimer from Ghostbusters in it? lol
Anyhow, issue 6 was awesome. Going to be great reading the TPB's in a few months. I was quick to call this the best series ever, but I think that's what it will be known as when it's all said and done.
Going to pick up issue #6 tomorrow. And Galgo #25 as well.
Quote from: Nostromo on Oct 25, 2016, 07:29:47 PM
What if there was a dancing Godzila, a transformer and slimer from Ghostbusters in it? lol
Haha no, that would be stupid. Not into mixing properties. I wish I could get into Defiance but I just can't really. I like the art and that's about it. I haven't really dug anything Dark Horse has done with the property since rebooting back in 2009 but I'll forever love most the stuff they did prior to that.
Another great review: http://www.adventuresinpoortaste.com/2016/10/25/aliens-defiance-6-review/
And a comment from Tristan's Facebook about #6. :)
QuoteThis week's issue of Aliens is pretty special to me. From Brian's script to Dan's colours, I've never had more fun on a comic, or been happier with the work.
Really can't wait to pick up this issue!
So... about Hollis...
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How come she is pregnant with a chestburster? no way the facehuggers had their way with her the short time she was alone with them?
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I assumed it happened before Zula and Davis found her (in the previous issue). But that would then beg the question why she was attacked by Facehuggers in the hallway at all if she was already impregnated.
As for issue #6, another great one! Possibly replaces the last one as my favourite so far.
Not a bad issue, I actually liked this one for once haha
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I too am very curious why the facehuggers attacked Hollis if she already has an alien inside her. She wasn't lookin' too bad at the end too :P Nice art.
I went back for a re-read from issue 1 now that we're apparently halfway through this series, and something struck me - how can Davis 04 be in Extravehicular (which we haven't caught up to yet) if Davis 01 killed all the other Davis units in issue 3?
Thanks guys. Really hope you all like 6...! Very special issue and quite possibly the last I do for the foreseeable future. Had a few things personally get in the way of the schedule beyond just being finicky about details (which slows me down). As for extravehicular -- don't take it too close to heart. A LOT has changed from our original direction with this, and Extravehicular was always meant to be more of a "comic book trailer" of sorts than a full blown story. Kind of a taste of the sort of things to expect in the comics.
That's a shame. Mind you I googled Stephen Thompson and his style isn't that dissimilar to yours, so looks promising.
Have you got any jobs on the go that we should look out for?
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Have you got any jobs on the go that we should look out for?
You know how Prometheus is basically "At the Mountains of Madness" and that "Alien" is probably the best Lovecraftian movie in existence? Imagine if Ridley took Giger, Cobb and the rest of the crew decided to make At the Mountains of Madness instead of Alien. I'm adapting At the Mountains of Madness and basically making it look/feel like Alien. Some creative licenses here and there to make it work in space, but I want it to be as close to the original text as possible, so if you liked Defiance, but wished it was a little more "creepy", that's what this will be. I'll be doing that with Waxwork Comics (an offshoot of the record company). I'm also in talks to do my own book at Image, along with something horror related at Dynamite and something else at Dark Horse. Plenty of plates spinning!
Sounds awesome. Are you writing that as well as doing the art?
Yeah, I used to write the Ninja Turtles and did some other things here and there, so I'm aching to get back to that. Had a lot of people ask why I wasn't just doing it all myself, but I'm not gonna turn a writer like Brian away! ;)
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Quote from: SM on Oct 27, 2016, 01:19:12 AM
Have you got any jobs on the go that we should look out for?
You know how Prometheus is basically "At the Mountains of Madness" and that "Alien" is probably the best Lovecraftian movie in existence? Imagine if Ridley took Giger, Cobb and the rest of the crew decided to make At the Mountains of Madness instead of Alien. I'm adapting At the Mountains of Madness and basically making it look/feel like Alien. Some creative licenses here and there to make it work in space, but I want it to be as close to the original text as possible, so if you liked Defiance, but wished it was a little more "creepy", that's what this will be. I'll be doing that with Waxwork Comics (an offshoot of the record company). I'm also in talks to do my own book at Image, along with something horror related at Dynamite and something else at Dark Horse. Plenty of plates spinning!
Now that I am very interested in reading. I have the I.N.J. Culbard graphic novel of At the Mountains of Madness, and while it wasn't bad, it stumbled a bit in depicting the more Lovecraftian elements. The art was too Tintin-esque to really pull it off.
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Sweet!
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Quote from: tyrannosaurusjones on Oct 27, 2016, 01:07:38 AM
Thanks guys. Really hope you all like 6...! Very special issue and quite possibly the last I do for the foreseeable future. Had a few things personally get in the way of the schedule beyond just being finicky about details (which slows me down). As for extravehicular -- don't take it too close to heart. A LOT has changed from our original direction with this, and Extravehicular was always meant to be more of a "comic book trailer" of sorts than a full blown story. Kind of a taste of the sort of things to expect in the comics.
:o :'(
Just read the 6th issue, great as usual. Only problem like mentioned in the reviews, is that it's way too short. I wish it would come out bi-monthly or be 30 pages at least.
Good luck Tristan, I'll be checking out your new series since I seem to like most of the stuff you're into. I'll look out for them on Twitter. Wish you stick with Sci-Fi space horror primarily and man do you draw great looking dinosaurs. You really should be doing a series like Age of Reptiles, where the drawing does the talking.
So yeah, drop everything else and just concentrate on those 2 themes lol. :)
All the best Tristan. Top work all round.
Great issue and nice way to round out the first volume.
All of these things are definitely worth writing to Dark Horse about. I'd love to come back for more -- in fact -- a dream book would be to basically pick up immediately after Alien: Isolation and do a story with Amanda as maybe a one-off graphic novel like the Liam Sharp book a few years ago. But the best thing you guys can do is write in. Tell Dark Horse what you like and what you don't like. Certainly accomplishes more than just talking on forums about things, because a lot of those folks don't read boards.
Quote from: tyrannosaurusjones on Oct 27, 2016, 05:24:46 AM
All of these things are definitely worth writing to Dark Horse about. I'd love to come back for more -- in fact -- a dream book would be to basically pick up immediately after Alien: Isolation and do a story with Amanda as maybe a one-off graphic novel like the Liam Sharp book a few years ago. But the best thing you guys can do is write in. Tell Dark Horse what you like and what you don't like. Certainly accomplishes more than just talking on forums about things, because a lot of those folks don't read boards.
Sounds like an Apone pep talk.
"You heard the man. Asses and elbows... Hudson! Come here. Come heeere!"
or to quote Newt
"Affirmative"
Good luck with whatever you are up to next. Your Aliens issuee were realny awesome and I will treasure the TPB. Wish you could do some more issues. I really do. :'(
I really wish that DH would let go of the idea of schedules and just put out quality comics when they are ready. It takes time to get it right, and it is worth it. I remember when the first Aliens series came out, sometimes it took more than 4 months between issues, and it was worth it every time.
Quote from: tyrannosaurusjones on Oct 27, 2016, 01:07:38 AM
Thanks guys. Really hope you all like 6...! Very special issue and quite possibly the last I do for the foreseeable future. Had a few things personally get in the way of the schedule beyond just being finicky about details (which slows me down). As for extravehicular -- don't take it too close to heart. A LOT has changed from our original direction with this, and Extravehicular was always meant to be more of a "comic book trailer" of sorts than a full blown story. Kind of a taste of the sort of things to expect in the comics.
I'm really sorry to hear this.
Your art has really been an integral part of this story.
Quote from: tyrannosaurusjones on Oct 27, 2016, 01:07:38 AM
Thanks guys. Really hope you all like 6...! Very special issue and quite possibly the last I do for the foreseeable future. Had a few things personally get in the way of the schedule beyond just being finicky about details (which slows me down).
I can't hide that I'm really gutted to hear this news. Your involvement with Defiance is one of the best things to happen to the franchise recently and it'll be a real shame to see you go. I really hope it doesn't end up being a permanent departure.
However, your new project sounds great though and I'll be really interested to check that out.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Oct 26, 2016, 02:18:16 PM
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I assumed it happened before Zula and Davis found her (in the previous issue). But that would then beg the question why she was attacked by Facehuggers in the hallway at all if she was already impregnated.
As for issue #6, another great one! Possibly replaces the last one as my favourite so far.
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I really don't think she's been impregnated by a Facehugger.
She asks for a gastrointestinal sonogram (stomach/intestines) not a cardiopulmonary scan which would scan the chest area
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Quote from: tyrannosaurusjones on Oct 27, 2016, 01:07:38 AMThanks guys. Really hope you all like 6...! Very special issue and quite possibly the last I do for the foreseeable future. Had a few things personally get in the way of the schedule beyond just being finicky about details (which slows me down).
Really saddened to hear that. I was disappointed when you left for issues 3 and 4 and was stoked to have you back again. Still, the new things you're working on sound interesting! Best of luck with them.
Quote from: tyrannosaurusjones on Oct 27, 2016, 05:24:46 AMA dream book would be to basically pick up immediately after Alien: Isolation and do a story with Amanda as maybe a one-off graphic novel like the Liam Sharp book a few years ago.
This I'd love to see!
Quote from: tyrannosaurusjones on Oct 27, 2016, 01:07:38 AMAs for extravehicular -- don't take it too close to heart. A LOT has changed from our original direction with this, and Extravehicular was always meant to be more of a "comic book trailer" of sorts than a full blown story. Kind of a taste of the sort of things to expect in the comics.
Fair enough. It was just something that leapt out at me reading the whole thing through again in one sitting.
I am truly gutted to hear you are leaving Tristan.
I will check out your other projects mate. Best of luck.
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Quote from: HuDaFuK on Oct 26, 2016, 02:18:16 PM
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I assumed it happened before Zula and Davis found her (in the previous issue). But that would then beg the question why she was attacked by Facehuggers in the hallway at all if she was already impregnated.
As for issue #6, another great one! Possibly replaces the last one as my favourite so far.
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I really don't think she's been impregnated by a Facehugger.
She asks for a gastrointestinal sonogram (stomach/intestines) not a cardiopulmonary scan which would scan the chest area
I thought the same mate.
Really sucks that you have to leave Defiance Tristan. Will stay on the look out for your next projects.
The new artist/s have a high standard to follow
There's always a vague chance I'll be back towards the end. I said if it fit in, I'd definitely come back for more, so it's up to the powers that be.
Also, if you knew you swallowed something, surely you'd check certain places first... right...?
Quote from: tyrannosaurusjones on Oct 27, 2016, 10:02:40 AM
There's always a vague chance I'll be back towards the end. I said if it fit in, I'd definitely come back for more, so it's up to the powers that be.
Also, if you knew you swallowed something, surely you'd check certain places first... right...?
Oh a hint!
Now what could she have swallowed?
I was too gutted to say anything last night, but thank you Tristan for your amazing alien artwork. Defiance is one of the best aliens series ever released and your art will truly be missed going forward. :-[
Quote from: tyrannosaurusjones on Oct 27, 2016, 10:02:40 AM
There's always a vague chance I'll be back towards the end. I said if it fit in, I'd definitely come back for more, so it's up to the powers that be.
Hopefully they're aware of how popular your work is with the fans. I've written in to them previously. Might have to do it again.
Quote from: tyrannosaurusjones on Oct 27, 2016, 05:24:46 AM
All of these things are definitely worth writing to Dark Horse about. I'd love to come back for more -- in fact -- a dream book would be to basically pick up immediately after Alien: Isolation and do a story with Amanda as maybe a one-off graphic novel like the Liam Sharp book a few years ago. But the best thing you guys can do is write in. Tell Dark Horse what you like and what you don't like. Certainly accomplishes more than just talking on forums about things, because a lot of those folks don't read boards.
I've written to them by email and twitter on what people think is good and not so good. Never get any response. Hope they read them at least...
I have written them twice now with glowing praise but also no response.
Hicks, you think it's possible to get a q&a with someone from Dark Horse?
That'd be cool.
I'm sure this has come up before, but where would be best to write to if we did want to pass on some praise and/or criticism to DH?
Quote from: Nostromo on Oct 27, 2016, 01:33:26 PM
Hicks, you think it's possible to get a q&a with someone from Dark Horse?
Is Randley Stradley editing at the minute? I've tried to chat with him a few times over the years but never to much success.
We have so many questions for them. They should make an effort though, there are about 1000 threads dedicated to their comics & books.
I also hope Brian Wood gets retained too as a writer and Dan Jackson as a colorist.
A few more great reviews on Issue 6.
"The artist of this series, Tristan Jones, has been making the rounds in many of my favorite properties and series for the past few years. His illustrations have a way of showing great detail while not seeming to be too heavy to make this feel like a comic book still. As a point of emphasis, when you see the splash page of the Xenomorphs stalking their way through the door the Colonial grunts were desperately trying to suppress, but ultimately failed, you should stop and just take in all the details in that scene, and you may have found a new favorite artist."
http://thegww.com/sci-fi-terror-and-horrifying-art-an-aliens-defiance-6-review/
"Again this art team continue to amaze you with each passing issue. Tristan Jones if I haven't said it before is the best artist we have gotten so far in the AvP franchise.The way he draws these characters, the Xenomorphs, the world around them in general is captivating. From the first page the artwork grabs your attention between the detail that goes into the horde of Xenomorphs and the marines who are looking to take a sample from them. I don't think I've ever cringed so much seeing what the acid from the Xenomorphs do to the human body. This of course being a combined effort because Dan Jackson's colors are so natural and organic to give you a full picture that you won't forget. You appreciate Jackson enough as the color artist just for the fact that he is one who can have so much going on with the Xenomorphs and never lose you in their black composition. He knows how to apply different shades of blacks and greys to make sure you see every detail."
http://www.geekedoutnation.com/comic-book-review-aliens-defiance-6/
Nice reviews but you know what they don't do? Talk about the issue's story. It's just art praise reviews but tells you nothing about the story itself.
Finally got my hands on the new issue. Art is great as always and I'm very sad to hear that the comic is losing Jones. :(
Jones, if you're still about, I was wondering if you had access to assets from Isolation and if you use 3D models to get your poses right? The Aliens and environments really do feel like they've popped right out of Isolation.
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Also, I like the possible reference to Alien Resurrection with the tech that can create viable cells for cloning from necrotic tissue. :P
Quote from: XenoZipper on Oct 27, 2016, 04:56:17 PM
Nice reviews but you know what they don't do? Talk about the issue's story. It's just art praise reviews but tells you nothing about the story itself.
I'm sure at least 90% of Alien fans (Both Alien & Aliens fans) are liking the story and everything, I don't understand why you would keep posting in this thread if you hate the thing. Doesn't make sense.
The main small issue is that the story feels too short, that's pretty much the only complaint out there. It will make a better read as a TPB for sure. But damn, if you don't like this story, I doubt any Alien story will ever please you.
I was talking about the 2 reviews you just posted. I don't read comic reviews normally, I make my own judgement after reading. Did you also not see that I wrote actually liked issue 6? Chill man.
Both of those reviews talked about the story.
I think the story is great and mysterious myself. Zula and Davis are great characters as well.
Just finished reading #6, and it was yet another great issue! I'm really sad to hear that this might be Tristan's last issue, but if it, it was one heck of a swan-song. Hopefully he can come back for another project one day, I would love to see him do one of the Prometheus/Predator crossovers.
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The action in this issue was really brutal. Even though if felt slightly forced, the whole idea of W-Y being able to clone a xeno from a small sample certainly reinforces the mystery over why Davis saved the finger back in issue #4. Based on the solicitations, I'm really excited to see him and Hendricks with the baby alien, but it is shame that Hollis has to go so quickly.
Overall, this series continues to be fantastic.
Looking at the solicitation for #9 again, I'm intrigued by the idea that
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the baby xeno "wages a psychological war on Zula, Davis, and Hollis." I wonder if that means we'll be delving into the territory of the aliens having some latent psychic abilities, like we saw back in Book 1, or in the extended cut of Alien 3. Also, just realized that Hollis is apparently still alive in issue 9, so looks like she won't be dying like I thought.
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Ok, for some reason it went right over my head the last time, but is the ending hinting that Zula and Davis are in a sexual and/or romantic relationship? That's interesting for sure... I can't imagine a combat android being anatomically correct... I can just imagine some high ranking general in a thick American accent yelling at a manufacturer "There is no way in hell that I'm sending any man, real or robot, out in the field if he ain't got balls! You hearing me?" XD
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the baby xeno "wages a psychological war on Zula, Davis, and Hollis." I wonder if that means we'll be delving into the territory of the aliens having some latent psychic abilities, like we saw back in Book 1, or in the extended cut of Alien 3. Also, just realized that Hollis is apparently still alive in issue 9, so looks like she won't be dying like I thought.
Is #8 when they
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use the Aliens against the pirates? If so, I think it'd be more from a perspective of having done what they've done and maybe trying to catch it?
Quote from: Kurai on Oct 29, 2016, 02:29:33 PMSpoiler
Ok, for some reason it went right over my head the last time, but is the ending hinting that Zula and Davis are in a sexual and/or romantic relationship?
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It did kinda hint that it might be heading that way.
Quote from: Kurai on Oct 29, 2016, 02:29:33 PM
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Ok, for some reason it went right over my head the last time, but is the ending hinting that Zula and Davis are in a sexual and/or romantic relationship? That's interesting for sure... I can't imagine a combat android being anatomically correct... I can just imagine some high ranking general in a thick American accent yelling at a manufacturer "There is no way in hell that I'm sending any man, real or robot, out in the field if he ain't got balls! You hearing me?" XD
lol no, Whatever possessed you to think that.
Where are they heading to in issue #7? Can't recall if they mentioned it.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Oct 31, 2016, 09:11:19 AM
Quote from: Kurai on Oct 29, 2016, 02:29:33 PMSpoiler
Ok, for some reason it went right over my head the last time, but is the ending hinting that Zula and Davis are in a sexual and/or romantic relationship?
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It did kinda hint that it might be heading that way.
I got the impression that they are becoming close at least
Finally read issue 6, really a great issue, art and story are all very good as per usual.
Still I seem to have lost a lot of enthusiasm for the series now that we know Tristan is done, took the wind out of my sails as it were. Sort of tempted to stop buying comics by the issue and wait for the tpb''s like I used to. Never really bothered me too much before but this time it hurts, I never like it when a series changes the artist, I much prefer the art remain the same for the whole run.
Doesn't help that Life & Death has been such a let down so far.
I noticed issue #7 was pushed back to December 7
https://www.darkhorse.com/Comics/29-856/Aliens-Defiance-7
Its getting ridiculous now
How come? I think Tristan always hinted he would not be around after issues 5 & 6. He kept saying wait until 6..
Anyhow as much as I liked Tristan's I like Brian Wood's story just as much or even better. I'm not sure who's given him these ideas and locations to use or if he's a huge Alien fan and there all his but this storyline is great. Interview him too :)
Hopefully Dark Horse gives more Alien work to these 2 guys and the colorist.
Alien work? :)
I hope this isn't turning into another Colonial Marines, where the creative team keeps getting mixed up and issues keep being randomly delayed until they end up simply pulling the plug on the whole thing.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Nov 15, 2016, 01:49:53 PM
I hope this isn't turning into another Colonial Marines, where the creative team keeps getting mixed up and issues keep being randomly delayed until they end up simply pulling the plug on the whole thing.
I'm afraid of this as well. There have been delays, design changes, and artist changes and I just think that's really unfortunate because the series is so great.
When it comes to comics, for me, the art is almost as important as the story. So losing Tristan makes a huge impact. I would have prefered a 6 issue run of Defiance with the same team instead
Issue #10 details and cover -
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcbr0.imgix.net%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2016%2F11%2FALDEF-10-FC-FNL.jpg%3Fauto%3Dformat%26amp%3Blossless%3D1%26amp%3Bq%3D40%26amp%3Bw%3D700%26amp%3Bh%3D1081%26amp%3Bfit%3Dcrop&hash=849fc466283827fb7fe660f4e13af742b0d918c1)
QuoteAn attack on the Europa by space pirates leaves Zula, Davis, and Hollis on a barely functional ship. They now must return to Earth, where the Weyland-Yutani corporation is waiting and ready to put an end to their rogue mission.
That cover has me quite curious. I wonder if it has actual bearing on the story.
If you ate an Alien, would it be cannibalism? I wonder if they were slaughtered kosher? XD
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Nov 17, 2016, 10:53:58 AM
Issue #10 details and cover -
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcbr0.imgix.net%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2016%2F11%2FALDEF-10-FC-FNL.jpg%3Fauto%3Dformat%26amp%3Blossless%3D1%26amp%3Bq%3D40%26amp%3Bw%3D700%26amp%3Bh%3D1081%26amp%3Bfit%3Dcrop&hash=849fc466283827fb7fe660f4e13af742b0d918c1)
QuoteAn attack on the Europa by space pirates leaves Zula, Davis, and Hollis on a barely functional ship. They now must return to Earth, where the Weyland-Yutani corporation is waiting and ready to put an end to their rogue mission.
That cover has me quite curious. I wonder if it has actual bearing on the story.
That cover reminds me a lot of Denis Beauvais' style.
That's a nice cover.
So xenomorphs can do yoga? :laugh:
Nope, they're just really big fans of Michael Keaton's Batman.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcomicsalliance.com%2Ffiles%2F2011%2F05%2Fbatman08.jpg&hash=ab441672019c350dcfa397e041f0d921ff48a04a)
That is still one of the most random moments ever.
:laugh: I know, right? Even as a kid I was just like, "Wut?"
Quote from: KiramidHead on Nov 17, 2016, 03:51:46 PM
So xenomorphs can do yoga? :laugh:
That's some painful yoga. Look at them hooks.
I'm kind of feeling hybrid vibes here.... :-\
Quote from: bobby brown on Nov 18, 2016, 09:36:46 PM
I'm kind of feeling hybrid vibes here.... :-\
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Quote from: bobby brown on Nov 18, 2016, 09:36:46 PM
I'm kind of feeling hybrid vibes here.... :-\
Or
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maybe those U-headed xenos that Tristan proposed back over the summer?
Maybe they eat em.
Quote from: bobby brown on Nov 18, 2016, 09:36:46 PM
I'm kind of feeling hybrid vibes here.... :-\
You mean that white talking Alien? ???
No... Like in general terms of the subject. Just not a fan.
What we know and what we've read in the solicitations, I highly doubt the story will involve hybridizing the aliens.
TFAW has a short, 2-page preview. Beware of spoilers:
http://www.tfaw.com/Comics/Profile/Aliens%3A-Defiance-7___522217 (http://www.tfaw.com/Comics/Profile/Aliens%3A-Defiance-7___522217)
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(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimages.tfaw.com%2Fcommon%2Fsalestools%2Fpreviews%2F29856%2F29856p1.jpg&hash=f0f5b038a5ef99380ffbd82b7af08e78cd2914a4)
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimages.tfaw.com%2Fcommon%2Fsalestools%2Fpreviews%2F29856%2F29856p2.jpg&hash=b74812ebf9e400b73af705eda46ffc34f2de09c8)
Stephen Thompson is definitely making an effort to keep the art consistent with what came before.
Yeah, if I didn't know better I'm not entirely sure I'd even notice from that image.
Feeling less concerned now.
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Also, love that they've used the Alien 3 Queenburster design.
Inetersting how both Defiance and Life and Death
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are now focusing on the protagonists having a baby xenomorph queen.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Nov 23, 2016, 07:06:35 PM
Yeah, if I didn't know better I'm not entirely sure I'd even notice from that image.
Feeling less concerned now.
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Also, love that they've used the Alien 3 Queenburster design.
It is a good match. The styles are so similar that it won't be jarring going from one issue to the next. I think a lot of it is to do with the colourist though.
Yeah, very similar approach to it. The transition isn't going to jarring judging from that preview.
Nice work. Keyline is tighter and overall cleaner than Tristan's (who has a more interesting style that echoes Moebius in some ways - he loves adding those squiggles to evoke further details).
Anyway enough arty blabber from me ... I'm digging this and I like where this is heading story wise.
How about a theory on
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Big Ugly
?
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Obviously Big Ugly is an interesting xenomorph... with a weird colored head that looks more like skin is stretched over the warrior's head, and some weird crest like thing, and since we know Dr.Hollis is hosting a queen burster, what if Big Ugly is said buster, but altered into a "sterilized" queen, like a half-queen burster half-normal adult xenomorph? Yeah, it sounds crazy, but these descriptions give it away "
#8 Keeping a baby Xenomorph alive, even in a frozen state, contradicts all the survival instincts that Zula and Hollis have...
#9 ...They try to keep it together, but an attack on the Europa by space pirates forces the trio to weaponize what they seek to destroy.
#10 An attack on the Europa by space pirates leaves Zula, Davis, and Hollis on a barely functional ship. They now must return to Earth...
so it obviously means they keep the queen burster alive, but hate doing so, but later are forced to weaponize what they hate for their own safety.This is where Big Ugly comes in. For starters, look at this one image:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CuLRyIJUIAEwiRd.jpg)
Notice the stretched skin and the weird side bumps, as well as the small crest, as well as the blue Earth oceans in the bottom right
...now look at this queen burster statue:
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/DcQR-waLBZI/maxresdefault.jpg)
it definitely looks like the head of the queen burster attached to a normal xenomorph, but the head spines of a normal adult warrior are developing under the skin, like its some incorrectly developed mutant, as a result from Davis and Dr. Hollis messing with it, to find a way to quickly weaponize it, so the possibly activated the "normal" xenomorph gene, since they grow faster, and because they don't want a queen laying eggs to deal with later, so they go for some quasi-queen thing instead, so its both powerful and has influence over the other xenos to help kill the space pirates, but the grows much quicker and won't lay eggs nonstop, and will be easier to kill later than a true queen would be, the best of both worlds.
In regards to the oceans, that's just to show Big Ugly isn't in a flashback, but rather present as the trio are forced to return to Earth.
Sure this is random head-canoning for the most part, but at least it was fun to think up
Quote from: cyberphoenix on Nov 26, 2016, 07:57:20 AM
How about a theory on Spoiler
Big Ugly
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Obviously Big Ugly is an interesting xenomorph... with a weird colored head that looks more like skin is stretched over the warrior's head, and some weird crest like thing, and since we know Dr.Hollis is hosting a queen burster, what if Big Ugly is said buster, but altered into a "sterilized" queen, like a half-queen burster half-normal adult xenomorph? Yeah, it sounds crazy, but these descriptions give it away "
#8 Keeping a baby Xenomorph alive, even in a frozen state, contradicts all the survival instincts that Zula and Hollis have...
#9 ...They try to keep it together, but an attack on the Europa by space pirates forces the trio to weaponize what they seek to destroy.
#10 An attack on the Europa by space pirates leaves Zula, Davis, and Hollis on a barely functional ship. They now must return to Earth...
so it obviously means they keep the queen burster alive, but hate doing so, but later are forced to weaponize what they hate for their own safety.This is where Big Ugly comes in. For starters, look at this one image:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CuLRyIJUIAEwiRd.jpg)
Notice the stretched skin and the weird side bumps, as well as the small crest, as well as the blue Earth oceans in the bottom right
...now look at this queen burster statue:
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/DcQR-waLBZI/maxresdefault.jpg)
it definitely looks like the head of the queen burster attached to a normal xenomorph, but the head spines of a normal adult warrior are developing under the skin, like its some incorrectly developed mutant, as a result from Davis and Dr. Hollis messing with it, to find a way to quickly weaponize it, so the possibly activated the "normal" xenomorph gene, since they grow faster, and because they don't want a queen laying eggs to deal with later, so they go for some quasi-queen thing instead, so its both powerful and has influence over the other xenos to help kill the space pirates, but the grows much quicker and won't lay eggs nonstop, and will be easier to kill later than a true queen would be, the best of both worlds.
In regards to the oceans, that's just to show Big Ugly isn't in a flashback, but rather present as the trio are forced to return to Earth.
Sure this is random head-canoning for the most part, but at least it was fun to think up
The head looks very similar to the Spitters form the awful ACM game
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Great issue. The artist has done a great job emulating Tristan.
Started reading Aliens:Defiance. What a feast! Feel like a teenager again. Do you recommend any other comics from Alien series?
I've been out of the loop a bit on this one. What is the latest issue that has been published?
Is Tristan really leaving?
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Dec 08, 2016, 03:25:10 AM
I've been out of the loop a bit on this one. What is the latest issue that has been published?
Is Tristan really leaving?
Tristan has left as of issue 6.
Issue 7 came out yesterday.
Quite enjoyed #7. I think they did a great job getting Stephen Thompson on board. He has a similar style to Tristain so the visual continuity is maintained. Wasn't a massive fan of the larger holographic scans of
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the Queen CB
but otherwise I dug the art.
I'm going to have to do a re-read of the series so far, see how the story is flowing from one issue to another.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 08, 2016, 08:33:25 AMI'm going to have to do a re-read of the series so far, see how the story is flowing from one issue to another.
I did that after 6, seeing as we were halfway through it. It really bounces along so far.
In a good way?
Definitely :)
Looking forward to picking up #7. Glad the art is being kept stylistically similar.
I really think that the inker/colourist needs a lot of credit. I would say that he is making this, visually, very cohesive.
I agree with that It was a great issue, not just for the story (which has taken an interesting turn) but for the art. He's kept enough of Tristan's style while also being able to bring his own thing in, and thats not easy
I think we are in safe hands
Hands down one of the most enjoyable issues of any Aliens comic I have read.
The art kicked on perfectly from Tristan's style - some great linework especially on those interior room details (straight from Ron Cobb & 1979).
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That whole extraction of the queen was brilliantly realised - just as tense as that similar scene in Prometheus. Loved it.
Fairly decent issue.
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Nice to see Hollis is still alive after getting the xeno out of her. I for sure thought she was probably going to die on the operating table. Definitely been getting better for sure. Was slow in the beginning for me & not that enjoyable but I'm happy they're picking up the pace.
Just read it on digital, and it was another solid issue. Not as spectacular as #s 5 or 6, but good nonetheless.
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Thompson does a good job emulating Tristan, but I still can't help but wonder how much more gruesome the extraction scene would have been with Jones on art.
That being said, I still dig all of our protagonists, and I'm really looking forward to seeing how this final arc plays out. It will be cool to see how Defiance and Life and Death each handle the "protagonists have an infant xenomorph queen" story in different ways.
I'm really hoping that the series will continue past issue 12. Would be cool to get a 'Season 2' of defiance.
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how badass is Davis in dealing with that rather feisty baby Queen. A quick punch and kick back into ol freezerino room
Quote from: Prez on Dec 10, 2016, 01:02:15 PM
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how badass is Davis in dealing with that rather feisty baby Queen. A quick punch and kick back into ol freezerino room
That's what I thought. Lol. I also thought
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the baby queen was a nasty little Bitch
There's a preview of issue #8 up. Beware of spoilers:
http://www.buzzcomics.net/showpost.php?p=1693726&postcount=1 (http://www.buzzcomics.net/showpost.php?p=1693726&postcount=1)
The art is good but I'm going to be missing Tristan every time the aliens appear.
I finally read issue 7 and loved it.
Finally got #7. Liked it.
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Hollis being impregnated with a Queen at least ties up some of the confusion about when she might have been corked and dorked, but it still doesn't explain why she was attacked by Facehuggers on her way out of the fuel station. Surely they'd be able to tell she's already impregnated? Also a bit disappointed this probably means they're ditching the "Chestburster placentas are cancerous and will kill you anyway" angle.
That was only in ACM, wasn't it?
Actually Aliens magazine came up with it first. I've never been able to find out if it's use in ACM was a coincidence or a case of someone on the design team actually having a copy lol.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Dec 19, 2016, 02:58:02 PM
Actually Aliens magazine came up with it first. I've never been able to find out if it's use in ACM was a coincidence or a case of someone on the design team actually having a copy lol.
I do like that idea but I don't mind if it is ditched. I kind of like the potential survival if seen to quickly
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i did wonder the same thing about the face huggers having pop at her. I wonder if they were trying to incapacitate to keep the queen from being taken away ? Dumb idea lol.
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Chestbursters giving you cancer was dopey.
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Chestbursters giving you cancer was dopey.
Don't see how its any more "dopey" than having concentrated acid blood.
I wouldn't say it was dopey. Makes sense that the embryo would need a placenta to draw nutrients from the host to grow. I think it's a fair idea that the tissue that made up that placenta would be hazzardous to the host and cause mutations I.e. Cancer.
I'm not a massive fan of it myself. It shouldn't want to risk harming the host and the embryo's viability at all. Personally I just don't see it fitting.
The idea originally put across is the embryo itself is a cancer. The Facehugger sticks in a tumour that then makes the host's body build the infant Alien from it's own cells. It helps the little nipper circumvent the host's immune system. Once it's born, what's left ends up killing the host.
Personally, I think that's pretty damn cool. And alien.
I think it was a cool idea but not too bummed if it isn't canon
It smacks of trying to make the Alien invincible. They're very dangerous - not all powerful.
Fail to see how you come to that conclusion. It doesn't make the Alien invulnerable in any way at all.
It's just a cool way of developing.
It's along the lines of - if you could even extract it, it'll still kill you. It's just lame. The whole sequence in which it was introduced in A:CM probably tainted the concept as well.
Quote from: SM on Dec 20, 2016, 09:23:02 PMIt's along the lines of - if you could even extract it, it'll still kill you.
Hardly makes the Alien invincible. Just a bastard :P
Plus, the idea of it developing as a cancer to beat the immune system at least give sit some credence.
Quote from: SM on Dec 20, 2016, 09:23:02 PMThe whole sequence in which it was introduced in A:CM probably tainted the concept as well.
This I do agree with.
There is a kind of elegance to the Alien being analogous to a cancer.
There is none in making it an actual cancer.
You could argue there isn't much elegance in actual homosexual oral rape, either.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Dec 19, 2016, 02:33:30 PM
Finally got #7. Liked it.
Spoiler
Hollis being impregnated with a Queen at least ties up some of the confusion about when she might have been corked and dorked, but it still doesn't explain why she was attacked by Facehuggers on her way out of the fuel station. Surely they'd be able to tell she's already impregnated? Also a bit disappointed this probably means they're ditching the "Chestburster placentas are cancerous and will kill you anyway" angle.
Dude, what do you mean regarding what I have bolded out in your spoilers ?
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Dec 20, 2016, 10:21:50 PM
You could argue there isn't much elegance in actual homosexual oral rape, either.
Fortunately since "actual homosexual oral rape" isn't a thing in this context, we don't need to.
There is elegance in metaphor however.
Quote from: Russ840 on Dec 20, 2016, 10:32:20 PMDude, what do you mean regarding what I have bolded out in your spoilers ?
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There didn't seem to be time for her to be impregnated whilst escaping the fuels station in the previous issue; if she's got a Queen in her, which takes much longer to gestate, it means it could've happened long before Hendricks and Davis even got there.
Quote from: SM on Dec 20, 2016, 11:07:49 PMFortunately since "actual homosexual oral rape" isn't a thing in this context, we don't need to.
That's literally how O'Bannon described the Alien's procreation.
Point being, not everything about the creature is a subtle, elegant metaphor.
Since the facehugger is an alien lifeform that doesn't have any actual gender, it can't actually homosexually rape anything.
Hence it being metaphor. I never mentioned subtle.
I figured that's what you meant, HuDa. It makes sense.
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it seems that the face huggers attacking her in the way out was just poor misdirection as it's been established that if impreganated, you get left alone.
Hopefully we get given a good reason but I fear it's going to be one of those details we will have to over look.
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Maybe huggers don't have the same senses as a full grown adult. Perhaps they need to actually attach themselves before finding out, then abandon that host and search for another. You could reference the scenes in AvP where dozens of eggs open for Miller, and then again when Scar and Lex are in the hive. Way more huggers start to emerge than there are hosts.
Quote from: SM on Dec 21, 2016, 09:22:31 PM
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Maybe huggers don't have the same senses as a full grown adult. Perhaps they need to actually attach themselves before finding out, then abandon that host and search for another. You could reference the scenes in AvP where dozens of eggs open for Miller, and then again when Scar and Lex are in the hive. Way more huggers start to emerge than there are hosts.
Not a bad theory.
Did anyone notice back in issue 5 when they find Hollis, she appears to be wearing a suit and helmet very very similar to the prometheus space suits?
I just noticed on a re-read.
The Prometheus suit was a fun Easter egg!
Quote from: Russ840 on Dec 21, 2016, 09:39:57 PM
Quote from: SM on Dec 21, 2016, 09:22:31 PM
Spoiler
Maybe huggers don't have the same senses as a full grown adult. Perhaps they need to actually attach themselves before finding out, then abandon that host and search for another. You could reference the scenes in AvP where dozens of eggs open for Miller, and then again when Scar and Lex are in the hive. Way more huggers start to emerge than there are hosts.
Not a bad theory.
There's a cool bit one of the drafts of Resurrection where Call is shot and falls - but not into the water. She hits the ground and a hugger jumps on her, then detaches, probes her nostrils with its fingers, then abandons her to search for another host.
That would have been a pretty cool scene, way better than what we got.
Yeah that would have been great.
Really enjoyed issue 8.
Once again the artist does a great job emulating Tristan's style. It is different none the less but the colourist keeps the look and atmosphere consistent. Awesome stuff.
The aliens had a Mark A Nelson look about them in this issue.
Story is coming along. I just can't wait to get the next issue and then the hole thing collected. Re read this run three times now and can safely say, in my opinion, this is the best Aliens comic there is, only rivalled by Labyrinth and Book 2.
Read #8 just now, and it's the first issue I would say is a bit of a mixed bag. Definitely not bad, but there was one decision that's a bit off-putting.
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It's always nice to get more backstory for our characters, so the flashback to Zula's induction into the Marines was really cool.
The EVA fight with the xenos was straight out of the Rage War books, and I liked it, but if you disliked it there, you won't like it here. I just really disliked that it was a dream. That made the issue feel somewhat pointless. It's also worth remembering how Tristan mentioned how much Defiance evolved over time, and I think you can really start to see that here. The diversion to Earth feels like a new addition, maybe a way to wrap the series up sooner. I always imagine Zula and Davis going further out into the unknown.
The art was good, but I'm starting to miss Tristan Jones quite a bit.
Looking forward to the last arc, and hoping we get a "season 2" eventually.
Quote from: Ultramorph on Dec 30, 2016, 05:52:29 PM
Read #8 just now, and it's the first issue I would say is a bit of a mixed bag. Definitely not bad, but there was one decision that's a bit off-putting.
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It's always nice to get more backstory for our characters, so the flashback to Zula's induction into the Marines was really cool.
The EVA fight with the xenos was straight out of the Rage War books, and I liked it, but if you disliked it there, you won't like it here. I just really disliked that it was a dream. That made the issue feel somewhat pointless. It's also worth remembering how Tristan mentioned how much Defiance evolved over time, and I think you can really start to see that here. The diversion to Earth feels like a new addition, maybe a way to wrap the series up sooner. I always imagine Zula and Davis going further out into the unknown.
The art was good, but I'm starting to miss Tristan Jones quite a bit.
Looking forward to the last arc, and hoping we get a "season 2" eventually.
I am not getting a feeling of it being rushed to get the series done sooner. Was always 12 issues and still is.
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i don't think the return to earth is new either as Extravehicular seems to have then in earths atmosphere.
that's is just my assumption though so I could be wrong.
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dream was a bit jarring at first but I actually quite like it.
Went to pick up #8 earlier in the week but the guy said he's not getting the next one in for another couple of weeks. Bit frustrating!
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jan 03, 2017, 05:23:01 PM
Went to pick up #8 earlier in the week but the guy said he's not getting the next one in for another couple of weeks. Bit frustrating!
That suck dude, are you strictly non-digital ?
I could get it digital, but I'm not desperate enough to double-dip when I'll definitely be getting the physical copy later.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jan 03, 2017, 05:44:08 PM
I could get it digital, but I'm not desperate enough to double-dip when I'll definitely be getting the physical copy later.
Totally understandable. Will you pick up a hypothetical collected hardcover if we get it.
Quote from: Russ840 on Jan 03, 2017, 08:13:14 PMTotally understandable. Will you pick up a hypothetical collected hardcover if we get it.
Ultimately it depends what bonus stuff they put in there, but I'm leaning towards yes :)
I'm digging the new hardback editions rather than the traditional soft covers. I really hope they do a hardback edition of Defiance.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jan 03, 2017, 08:32:34 PM
I'm digging the new hardback editions rather than the traditional soft covers. I really hope they do a hardback edition of Defiance.
I can't see them not doing it. Especially seen as Fire and stone got one and the old comics are getting released this way.
There has been a massive surge in Hardcover collections throughout the whole comics industry. The demand is there.
I would def get a defiance hardcover.
However the AvP arc of L&D will have to be amazing for me to want the hard cover fancy pantz edition of that series.
Quote from: 426Buddy on Jan 04, 2017, 03:25:07 AM
I would def get a defiance hardcover.
However the AvP arc of L&D will have to be amazing for me to want the hard cover fancy pantz edition of that series.
I'm with you on that. I am actually contemplating getting rid of my Fire And Stone fancy pants
I enjoyed that just for the behind-the-scenes stuff and the nice paper quality. I'll be a heathen and give it a purchase, even if I'm not too enamored with the series so far.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jan 04, 2017, 09:02:40 AM
I enjoyed that just for the behind-the-scenes stuff and the nice paper quality. I'll be a heathen and give it a purchase, even if I'm not too enamored with the series so far.
It is a beautiful book. Dark horse produce the best quality for money, without a doubt. I just have so many hardcovers that I am limited with shelf space. I now buy based on wether I'll re-read regularly. If not. Then I'll get digital so I can scratch an inch if I get it.
Quick question and one I'm not has already been answered.
Why do the covers of each Defiance issue (hardly) ever correlate with the actual story within?
Quote from: Prez on Jan 06, 2017, 10:36:33 AM
Quick question and one I'm not has already been answered.
Why do the covers of each Defiance issue (hardly) ever correlate with the actual story within?
It's common in modern comics for the last decade to have a cover that has little to do with what's in side.
Quote from: Russ840 on Jan 06, 2017, 11:22:34 AM
Quote from: Prez on Jan 06, 2017, 10:36:33 AM
Quick question and one I'm not has already been answered.
Why do the covers of each Defiance issue (hardly) ever correlate with the actual story within?
It's common in modern comics for the last decade to have a cover that has little to do with what's in side.
This has always been common with Aliens comics.
Read issue 8 finally, thought it was pretty great issue. I am missing Tristan but the art is still pretty darn good. Lightyears beyond the L&D series.
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Looks like removing the Alien fetus wasn't so easy like we thought and Hollis appears to have some sort of infection that may yet kill her. It's a nice touch and alludes to theories that the creature can't be removed without killing the host.
Read Issue #8 today finally lol. Loved it. Great slow build and back and forth. Cant wait for #9
What I am am, personally loving about this series is that I will remember all three of the main characters. I think that is rare for these comics. Especially comparing to recent stuff.
From life and death & fire and stone, the only characters I Actually remember and give a Damon about is Galgo and Ahab.
Zula is great. I really like her. First colonial marines since 'Aliens' that is fleshed out well and seems real.
Quote from: 426Buddy on Jan 06, 2017, 02:56:17 PM
I am missing Tristan but the art is still pretty darn good. Lightyears beyond the L&D series.
Stephen and Tony are doing great guns on this book, but I'd be lying hard if I said I didn't miss working on it. I just can't keep up with the ongoing monthly thing. I am however trying to put something else together that I'd write with Brian... something a little less "plural".
Something Alien?
Quote from: tyrannosaurusjones on Jan 09, 2017, 03:37:24 PM
Quote from: 426Buddy on Jan 06, 2017, 02:56:17 PM
I am missing Tristan but the art is still pretty darn good. Lightyears beyond the L&D series.
Stephen and Tony are doing great guns on this book, but I'd be lying hard if I said I didn't miss working on it. I just can't keep up with the ongoing monthly thing. I am however trying to put something else together that I'd write with Brian... something a little less "plural".
Thats exciting!
I understand it has to be difficult to meet a monthly deadline, especially when your art is so detailed and well done. Makes me wish Dark Horse would have just let you take all the time you need for each issue, I would have waited as long as it took lol.
Quote from: tyrannosaurusjones on Jan 09, 2017, 03:37:24 PMI am however trying to put something else together that I'd write with Brian... something a little less "plural".
That sounds good! Fingers crossed it has something to do with your desire to do an
Alien: Isolation follow-up... :)
Quote from: tyrannosaurusjones on Jan 09, 2017, 03:37:24 PM
Quote from: 426Buddy on Jan 06, 2017, 02:56:17 PM
I am missing Tristan but the art is still pretty darn good. Lightyears beyond the L&D series.
Stephen and Tony are doing great guns on this book, but I'd be lying hard if I said I didn't miss working on it. I just can't keep up with the ongoing monthly thing. I am however trying to put something else together that I'd write with Brian... something a little less "plural".
Colour me intrigued.
I have been wondering why the 'singular title has not been used. I suppose now is the right time.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jan 09, 2017, 04:06:27 PM
Quote from: tyrannosaurusjones on Jan 09, 2017, 03:37:24 PMI am however trying to put something else together that I'd write with Brian... something a little less "plural".
That sounds good! Fingers crossed it has something to do with your desire to do an Alien: Isolation follow-up... :)
pehaps an Isolation/Defiance sequel all rolled into one
Mayyyyybe. We'll see! All I can suggest is keep letting Dark Horse know you want more Aliens stuff with me on it! ;)
Quote from: tyrannosaurusjones on Jan 09, 2017, 06:45:36 PM
Mayyyyybe. We'll see! All I can suggest is keep letting Dark Horse know you want more Aliens stuff with me on it! ;)
We will dude. Missing your work loads. Although the fill in guys are pretty great though.
Quote from: tyrannosaurusjones on Jan 09, 2017, 06:45:36 PM
Mayyyyybe. We'll see! All I can suggest is keep letting Dark Horse know you want more Aliens stuff with me on it! ;)
I confess I dropped out of Defiance's monthly issues since you left, and am just gonna wait for the trade. But an ALIEN title featuring you? I think I should email DH about how much I'd like to see that...
Quote from: tyrannosaurusjones on Jan 09, 2017, 06:45:36 PM
Mayyyyybe. We'll see! All I can suggest is keep letting Dark Horse know you want more Aliens stuff with me on it! ;)
Let the Tweeting begin!
Preview is up at Dark Horse for Issue 9.
Some details that could be considered spoilers so beware.
http://www.darkhorse.com/Comics/29-858/Aliens-Defiance-9#prettyPhoto
It hurts knowing we could have had an issue full of
Spoiler
queen art
done by Tristan.
Quote from: 426Buddy on Jan 12, 2017, 04:05:51 PM
It hurts knowing we could have had an issue full of Spoiler
queen art
ah man. Don't. I never had that in my head. Now I do and will forever feel incomplete lol.
Yeah, I'm bummed I didn't get that myself... But that's my bad. I'm way too OCD about detail and it slows me down. Still, I'd be more than happy to do another Alien related book down the track.
Quote from: tyrannosaurusjones on Jan 12, 2017, 11:30:51 PM
Yeah, I'm bummed I didn't get that myself... But that's my bad. I'm way too OCD about detail and it slows me down. Still, I'd be more than happy to do another Alien related book down the track.
Yeah but you know what? Great art takes time, if it was rushed it wouldnt be as amazing as it is, if Fox couldn't see that its their problem (and our loss)
I hope you get to work on another alien book, preferably a one shot graphic novel. That way you can work on it and not worry about having an issue out each month. You're art is some of the best in the entire franchise.
I just read issues 7-8 and the art was dead n lifeless compared to the first ones.
Quote from: 426Buddy on Jan 13, 2017, 12:43:02 AM
Yeah but you know what? Great art takes time, if it was rushed it wouldnt be as amazing as it is, if Fox couldn't see that its their problem (and our loss)
Thanks man. It's not so much Fox really, it's Dark Horse, and they've gotta keep a schedule I'm just out of reach of on these sorts of things, so really, it's my loss.
Quote from: 426Buddy on Jan 13, 2017, 12:43:02 AMI hope you get to work on another alien book, preferably a one shot graphic novel. That way you can work on it and not worry about having an issue out each month. You're art is some of the best in the entire franchise.
That's what I'd like to do -- work on something now(ish) and have it ready for the home release of Covenant. That said, it wouldn't hurt gently suggesting/requesting something like what you've just mentioned to Dark Horse directly... ;)
Quote from: Nostromo on Jan 13, 2017, 12:44:34 AM
I just read issues 7-8 and the art was dead n lifeless compared to the first ones.
Thanks for the sentiment! I like Tony and Stephen's stuff, though -- they do things I don't necessarily think of doing which I like to see.
Yes dark horse is what I meant lol been on the film boards so much that I'm in that mind set still.
Anyway I have been sending regular emails to dark horse about how great defiance is, I'll send a couple about just getting you in on the next project. Although they probably are more about tweets than emails these days.
Quote from: tyrannosaurusjones on Jan 13, 2017, 12:50:21 AM
Quote from: 426Buddy on Jan 13, 2017, 12:43:02 AM
Yeah but you know what? Great art takes time, if it was rushed it wouldnt be as amazing as it is, if Fox couldn't see that its their problem (and our loss)
Thanks man. It's not so much Fox really, it's Dark Horse, and they've gotta keep a schedule I'm just out of reach of on these sorts of things, so really, it's my loss.
Quote from: 426Buddy on Jan 13, 2017, 12:43:02 AMI hope you get to work on another alien book, preferably a one shot graphic novel. That way you can work on it and not worry about having an issue out each month. You're art is some of the best in the entire franchise.
That's what I'd like to do -- work on something now(ish) and have it ready for the home release of Covenant. That said, it wouldn't hurt gently suggesting/requesting something like what you've just mentioned to Dark Horse directly... ;)
Quote from: Nostromo on Jan 13, 2017, 12:44:34 AM
I just read issues 7-8 and the art was dead n lifeless compared to the first ones.
Thanks for the sentiment! I like Tony and Stephen's stuff, though -- they do things I don't necessarily think of doing which I like to see.
Dude, I am all over anything with your name now. You mentioned, before, about a project you were working on, at the mountains of madness. Any news on that. Is it to be a graphic novel ? What else have you got in the pipeline ?
Quote from: vikingspawn on Oct 07, 2015, 05:58:57 PM
I'd like for them to bring back Thing From Another World comics. Matches perfect with the Aliens universe.
You and me, both!!
Quote from: Glaive on Jan 13, 2017, 12:26:28 PM
Quote from: vikingspawn on Oct 07, 2015, 05:58:57 PM
I'd like for them to bring back Thing From Another World comics. Matches perfect with the Aliens universe.
You and me, both!!
Same. I loved those series. Although still havent read Issue #4 of Eternal Vows and its bloody difficult to get hold of lol
Quote from: 426Buddy on Jan 12, 2017, 04:05:51 PM
It hurts knowing we could have had an issue full of Spoiler
queen art
Tristan no more being connected to that series is a major throw back imo. Not wanna be criticizing or offending anybody else´s art or style, but Tristan´s is simply the best right now, the comic part of the franchise ever had.
So I finally managed to get a hold of #8. I liked it, but less than the last few. The whole dreamscape setting took me a couple of reads to make sense of what was going on, but there were some neat snippets in there. Also liked that
Spoiler
Hollis may not be so fine after all. I'd be pretty happy if they did include the Chestburster cancer thing.
Quote from: Russ840 on Dec 30, 2016, 09:05:30 PMSpoiler
i don't think the return to earth is new either as Extravehicular seems to have then in earths atmosphere.
Nope, it's stated in that issue that they were entering the atmosphere of some other planet, not Earth.
Ah ok. I have only read that story once as opposed to the other 8 issues which I keep reading. I'll have to take another look.
Did no one else get a Mark A Nelson vibe from the aliens in issue 8 ?
Got some catching up to do. Hope 6, 7, and 8 are good...
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Jan 23, 2017, 03:24:23 PM
Got some catching up to do. Hope 6, 7, and 8 are good...
They are good, especially number 6.
Still the best Aliens comic series in a long time even without Tristan.
Quote from: 426Buddy on Jan 23, 2017, 03:46:29 PM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Jan 23, 2017, 03:24:23 PM
Got some catching up to do. Hope 6, 7, and 8 are good...
They are good, especially number 6.
Still the best Aliens comic series in a long time even without Tristan.
Agreed. I would say in the running for best. Just my opinion though.
Looking forward to picking up issue 9 and The Volume 1 Trade this Thursday!
Shit, is the collected edition coming out already? That came around far quicker than I was expecting!
It's nearly been a year. I'm going to hold out on the collected editions. Hoping for another fancy pants hardback release.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jan 24, 2017, 12:14:02 PM
It's nearly been a year. I'm going to hold out on the collected editions. Hoping for another fancy pants hardback release.
And I think it would be a safe bet that the fancy pants would have lots of Tristan's prelim artwork and over great extras
Aliens: Defiance #12 - May 31Spoiler
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.firstcomicsnews.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2017%2F01%2FALDEF-12-FC-FNL.png&hash=1f51122e81a7ed1ea30e71ae00739f83a94a76fe)
QuoteBrian Wood (W), Stephen Thompson (A), Dan Jackson (C), and Stephanie Hans (Cover)
On sale May 31
FC, 32 pages
$3.99
Ongoing
After her return to Earth, Zula Hendricks fully expects to answer for her defiance. But instead of military tribunals, what she experiences is a chilling look into the future of warfare, courtesy of Weyland-Yutani's R&D labs. Her mission may not be over just yet.
"Defiance . . . has the potential to be the new benchmark. Go get it."—Hulking Reviewer
Maybe
Defiance won't end at #12?
Not liking that cover much.
I don't understand why dark horse won't give us more Raymond Swanland covers.
Quote from: Ultramorph on Jan 25, 2017, 01:08:40 AM
Maybe Defiance won't end at #12?
They did always say there was a possibility it would go on longer. And I have no issue with that. :P
Would be nice.
I like the concept of that cover but the actual artwork lets it down a bit - some of the tiny Aliens look really cartoony.
Another good issue. I feel the book has slowed its pace a little over the last 3 issues. Saying that, 9 does have a cool sequence that the artist really renders well. Although, I would have loved to have seen what Tristan would have done with it
Yeah this was a pretty great issue and the art is pretty darn good... God if Tristan had done the art for this issue it would be legend, I would bow to its awesomeness.
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The character choices in this issue seemed very weird to me though. Unleashing a full grown queen loose on the Europa to possibly start a hive is a crazy idea, maybe the situation was desperate enough I guess. However, deciding to take the queen straight to earth so they can hand it over to WY seems to go against everything they supposedly believe in and are fighting for. I didn't quite buy it.
Quote from: 426Buddy on Jan 26, 2017, 12:54:07 AM
Yeah this was a pretty great issue and the art is pretty darn good... God if Tristan had done the art for this issue it would be legend, I would bow to its awesomeness.
Spoiler
The character choices in this issue seemed very weird to me though. Unleashing a full grown queen loose on the Europa to possibly start a hive is a crazy idea, maybe the situation was desperate enough I guess. However, deciding to take the queen straight to earth so they can hand it over to WY seems to go against everything they supposedly believe in and are fighting for. I didn't quite buy it.
I bought into it.
Spoiler
it was Zula that made the call and she has a good enough reason to be conflict. She wants her back fixed and sees this as a way to get that done. She clearly wants that more than their mission. The issue also she the conflict in her thinking as well. The captions highlight it at least twice.
That's just how I took it.
Quote from: Russ840 on Jan 26, 2017, 07:59:56 AM
Quote from: 426Buddy on Jan 26, 2017, 12:54:07 AM
Yeah this was a pretty great issue and the art is pretty darn good... God if Tristan had done the art for this issue it would be legend, I would bow to its awesomeness.
Spoiler
The character choices in this issue seemed very weird to me though. Unleashing a full grown queen loose on the Europa to possibly start a hive is a crazy idea, maybe the situation was desperate enough I guess. However, deciding to take the queen straight to earth so they can hand it over to WY seems to go against everything they supposedly believe in and are fighting for. I didn't quite buy it.
I bought into it. Spoiler
it was Zula that made the call and she has a good enough reason to be conflict. She wants her back fixed and sees this as a way to get that done. She clearly wants that more than their mission. The issue also she the conflict in her thinking as well. The captions highlight it at least twice.
Spoiler
I can tell yah I know back pain really well, with a fractured L4 and 2 herniated discs I know about the pain and loss of mobility (maybe not to the extent that effects Zula but same ball park) . None of that would make me compromise my entire species by bringing an alien queen back to earth lol. Also Hollis seemed to go along with it without much objection. It just seemed like a really extreme solution to me.
Quote from: 426Buddy on Jan 26, 2017, 02:21:26 PM
Quote from: Russ840 on Jan 26, 2017, 07:59:56 AM
Quote from: 426Buddy on Jan 26, 2017, 12:54:07 AM
Yeah this was a pretty great issue and the art is pretty darn good... God if Tristan had done the art for this issue it would be legend, I would bow to its awesomeness.
Spoiler
The character choices in this issue seemed very weird to me though. Unleashing a full grown queen loose on the Europa to possibly start a hive is a crazy idea, maybe the situation was desperate enough I guess. However, deciding to take the queen straight to earth so they can hand it over to WY seems to go against everything they supposedly believe in and are fighting for. I didn't quite buy it.
I bought into it. Spoiler
it was Zula that made the call and she has a good enough reason to be conflict. She wants her back fixed and sees this as a way to get that done. She clearly wants that more than their mission. The issue also she the conflict in her thinking as well. The captions highlight it at least twice.
Spoiler
I can tell yah I know back pain really well, with a fractured L4 and 2 herniated discs I know about the pain and loss of mobility (maybe not to the extent that effects Zula but same ball park) . None of that would make me compromise my entire species by bringing an alien queen back to earth lol. Also Hollis seemed to go along with it without much objection. It just seemed like a really extreme solution to me.
Totally agree with you dude. It is an extreme solution. I just think it's just as relistic that she chose this as it would be to do the hero thing. I see her as a flawed character and this just reaffirm.
I kind of figured Hollis couldn't really do much about it.
Either way still another great issue, can't wait for #10. Hard to believe we are almost to #12.
Quote from: 426Buddy on Jan 26, 2017, 04:01:31 PM
Either way still another great issue, can't wait for #10. Hard to believe we are almost to #12.
Indeed. I hope we get season 2
Quote from: 426Buddy on Jan 26, 2017, 02:21:26 PM
Quote from: Russ840 on Jan 26, 2017, 07:59:56 AM
Quote from: 426Buddy on Jan 26, 2017, 12:54:07 AM
Yeah this was a pretty great issue and the art is pretty darn good... God if Tristan had done the art for this issue it would be legend, I would bow to its awesomeness.
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The character choices in this issue seemed very weird to me though. Unleashing a full grown queen loose on the Europa to possibly start a hive is a crazy idea, maybe the situation was desperate enough I guess. However, deciding to take the queen straight to earth so they can hand it over to WY seems to go against everything they supposedly believe in and are fighting for. I didn't quite buy it.
I bought into it. Spoiler
it was Zula that made the call and she has a good enough reason to be conflict. She wants her back fixed and sees this as a way to get that done. She clearly wants that more than their mission. The issue also she the conflict in her thinking as well. The captions highlight it at least twice.
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I can tell yah I know back pain really well, with a fractured L4 and 2 herniated discs I know about the pain and loss of mobility (maybe not to the extent that effects Zula but same ball park) . None of that would make me compromise my entire species by bringing an alien queen back to earth lol. Also Hollis seemed to go along with it without much objection. It just seemed like a really extreme solution to me.
I think that they expected
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the Queen to take a lot more punishment than she did. It was still stupid though. I don't think they sold how outnumbered they were early on in the issue. I think you see it a lot better when the Queen is on her rampage (great artwork btw!) but needed to see those numbers early on to really buy into it.
Also, Davis :'( he looks so worse for wear right now.
Thoroughly enjoyed the issue though. I ended up picking up Volume 1 since the local had it in. Bit disappointed there's no extra but hopefully we'll get a fancy pants edition down the line with some goodies in.
Cheers for reporting on that, I shan't bother with the part 1 collected edition then.
Incidentally, is Extravehicular the edited version?
I wrote DH again praising Defiance and urging them to ask Tristan Jones to do another alien comic or short graphic novel.
I saw the collected series but passed on it, I'm holding out for that full fancy hardcover also.
I think I'm just going to stick with the individual issues of L&D though.
My copy of volume 1 came in the mail from Amazon today; I haven't had a lot of free time to read much of it yet, but I've enjoyed what I've read so far.
The artwork is really great, I know I said it earlier in the thread but I'll say it again - I'm getting definite Killian Plunkett/Aliens Labyrinth vibes from the art, and that's a very good thing in my opinion.
Read #9 the other day. Good, but perhaps my least favourite issue so far.
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Biggest gripe I had was that it didn't convince me unleashing the Queen was their only option. Maybe if they'd found those soldiers that apparently sneaked aboard first, then let her out, I could've bought that it was desperate measures time.
Yeah, I agree. They really didn't sell their situation being that bad early on.
It did make me lol how all the space pirates looked like the IRA though :laugh:
https://www.darkhorse.com/Comics/29-859/Aliens-Defiance-10
Preview is up for issue 10. The art is looking pretty good.
Seems to me like the 2 month gap between 9 and 10 was a good thing. We have the same artist for the last 3 issues and hopefully have consistent, unrushed art.
Yeah, that's looking a lot better than the recent couple! Same artist though, I think?
Stephen Thompson. He has only provided art for issue 7 so far. But like I say. He is on for 10-12.
I think he is the best of the fill ins we have had. 3 artists on total. Not including Tristan.
Tony Brescini did 8 and 9 and also 4
Just read issue 10. Great stuff. Good character building and the art is great. I'd say that environments and people are not far off Tristan's level. The creatures are not as good though, but I'm happy.
Hopefully be picking up #10 this weekend.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Mar 29, 2017, 08:45:13 AM
Hopefully be picking up #10 this weekend.
You buy the physical issues I assume. I get digital and then the trade paperbacks and I'll buy the hardcover if they do a fancy pants.
If I remember correctly did you not say you bought the trade also ?
Quote from: Russ840 on Mar 29, 2017, 09:45:29 AMYou buy the physical issues I assume.
I do indeed!
Quote from: Russ840 on Mar 29, 2017, 09:45:29 AMIf I remember correctly did you not say you bought the trade also ?
I didn't get it in the end. I was considering it, but as I understand it has nothing extra compared to the individual issues, so I didn't bother. If they ever do a fancy edition with some nice extras I'll probably pick that up, though.
I ended up getting the trade too. I'm intending on getting rid of my singles anyway so if they don't do a fancy edition, I've got the trades.
I'm too impatient. I have to read them straight away so digital is the way I go. I got the trade so I have a hard copy and I lend it out to friends. If the fancy pants becomes a reality, that will sit proudly on the shelf and be read only by me :laugh:
I don't like waiting for trades, but space is limited in my current house and trades look a lot more organized on my shelf.
I get them as singles and then upgrade when the trades come out then give my singles away. I think HuDa got all my Fire and Stone singles. Just means I can share with other fans and get them interested too.
I do love sharing the wealth with stuff like this. Always trying to give friends stuff like this lol.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 29, 2017, 12:20:59 PMI think HuDa got all my Fire and Stone singles.
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Finally got caught up on issues 9 and 10. They were both pretty good, but 10 was definitely the stronger of the two.
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Though I was a bit confused about when exactly the queen died. Did it die from wounds sustained fighting the pirates? That bit confused me, made me feel like I missed something.
I assume the living sample they referred to at the end is the finger Davis hid a few issues back? I'm looking forward to seeing the weapons test alluded to in the solicitations. Maybe the U-headed xenos will show up!
I agree that the art in #10 came pretty close to Tristan's in places. Hopefully the quality stays consistent in the final two issues.
Sad to see this series winding down. I have a feeling it will be a real blast to read all together when it's said and done.
Yeah. I hope the art stays as good as this. I think it will. Thompson did the Surgery issue, 7, and that looked as good. I think the two month break was to get him up to date.
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yeah the queen being dead threw me a little. Perhaps that fight with the pirates did cause her death.
I also think that sample is the finger but the dude said "live." That has me curious.
#12 has been pushed back to June. :'(
http://www.darkhorse.com/Comics/29-861/Aliens-Defiance-12 (http://www.darkhorse.com/Comics/29-861/Aliens-Defiance-12)
It was a nice issue, not my favorite though.
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The queens death was weird, the last panel she was featured in showed her very much alive. I also think they are seeing the finger on the scans.
With two issues to go i cant help but feel a little let down by this series. I was really excited by where i thought this series would go, especially after the first two amazing issues. But it hasnt really panned out the way i had hoped. Still a great series, in my top ten for sure. When it started though, i thought this was going to be my new number #1.
I sort of agree. When the series started I thought
Zula and Davis were going to really follow the rabbit hole to some shady parts of the universe, but the story has wound up pretty much being tethered to Earth. I still like it, especially the character work, but it wasn't what I initially thought it would be.
Still hoping we get a season 2.
Damn. Another delay. Oh well.
I am a little let down by the tethering to earth. I still love it. I did think it was going to be a little more like the x files. Like story of the week type thing.
Yeah. Let hope we get season 2
That's a shame. :'( I think I'm due a re-read of the entire run up to now to see how it flows.
I'd also be interested to know what the future holds for Defiance.
Here's hoping for an Alien day announcement.
Regarding the Queen:
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The fight between her and the pirates obviously took place "off-screen" between issues.
I'm more annoyed by the fact they completely forgot about those Marines that supposedly crept aboard at the end of the previous issue. Thought that was a nice cliffhanger, but then they didn't even get mentioned once in this issue.
But otherwise I liked #10. As others have said, the artwork was really good.
Anyone else notice Vriess' collapsible shotgun and grenade launcher making cameos? That was a nice touch.
I didn't notice that. I'll have to go back and check. Nice spot.
I don't remember seeing
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marines sneak on board
I'll have to go back and check that lol
Just looked back on issue 9. I can't see anything about what you said?
My bad, looking again I think it's just a quick flashback to when Zula and the Davis team first boarded the Europa. It's just shy of halfway through #9. I mistook it as happening in real time before.
Yeah I have to agree. The first few episodes were amazing. It's just sort of drifted since then.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Apr 03, 2017, 12:22:08 PM
My bad, looking again I think it's just a quick flashback to when Zula and the Davis team first boarded the Europa. It's just shy of halfway through #9. I mistook it as happening in real time before.
Cool dude.
It does need to end really well now. It can't coast because it will be a bit of a let down.
It does seem, even though the art is back up to scratch, that momentum for the series has been lost since Tristan left. Almost like the book has suffered creative changes during.
I know this has been denied, but I feel like the whole "the ship is screwed, we have to go back to Earth" angle is change from what was originally intended. Even the covers (see issue 8 ), alongside Extravehicular, point to a different story.
I also hope they haven't forgotten about
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Hollis studying the xenos to try and wipe them out. Hasn't been mentioned since issue 7.
Still enjoying the series a hell of a lot, though.
Am I´m the only one, or am I totally wrong but why
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are they in issue 10 on a different ship then issue 09?
Quote from: locusta on Apr 03, 2017, 04:48:20 PM
Am I´m the only one, or am I totally wrong but why
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are they in issue 10 on a different ship then issue 09?
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Same ship different artist
Quote from: Ultramorph on Apr 03, 2017, 03:10:40 PMI know this has been denied, but I feel like the whole "the ship is screwed, we have to go back to Earth" angle is change from what was originally intended. Even the covers (see issue 8 ), alongside Extravehicular, point to a different story.
Yeah, it struck me as a bit of a sudden change in direction.
Tristan did sort of imply things had changed story-wise, which is why
Extravehicular now no longer seems to fit in as originally printed.
Quote from: Ultramorph on Apr 03, 2017, 03:10:40 PM
I know this has been denied, but I feel like the whole "the ship is screwed, we have to go back to Earth" angle is change from what was originally intended. Even the covers (see issue 8 ), alongside Extravehicular, point to a different story.
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Hollis studying the xenos to try and wipe them out. Hasn't been mentioned since issue 7.
Still enjoying the series a hell of a lot, though.
I think you're right dude. It does feel that way. Along with Tristan himself saying that the story had experienced changes from its inception.
DH has a preview of #11 up. Beware of spoilers, as usual.
http://www.darkhorse.com/Comics/29-860/Aliens-Defiance-11#prettyPhoto (http://www.darkhorse.com/Comics/29-860/Aliens-Defiance-11#prettyPhoto)
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It's always interesting when we get to see Earth in the comics. Can't wait to see the weapons test mentioned in the solicitations.
Really not happy to see the artist changes again. Annoying that Thompson has been credited and still is but the cover shows a new artist that has not been in the series yet.
I think this series has really been messed about with throughout production.
Issue 11 is not bad at all. A weaker issue but i still found myself enjoying it.
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not really sure where the flashbacks are meant to have happened or what they mean. Hopfully we find out.
The art was not as jarring as i thought it would be when i saw the preview. It matches up ok nut i do think that is more to do with the colourist.
Picked up Issue #11 Today. shall read it when i get home
Read 11....it really feels like a totally different book to the first issues. Could have been a classic but the constant art changes and unfocused plot has really dragged it down.
Just read #11. It was better than I was expecting.
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I still love the character work, and it's cool to be on Earth witnessing some shady business between W-Y and the Marines. The art was also surprisingly good.
The flashbacks are getting to be a bit tired, though. So Hollis has a second queen inside her?
I'm very curious to see if they can pull off a satisfying ending.
Quote from: Ultramorph on Apr 26, 2017, 10:26:56 PM
Just read #11. It was better than I was expecting. Spoiler
I still love the character work, and it's cool to be on Earth witnessing some shady business between W-Y and the Marines. The art was also surprisingly good.
The flashbacks are getting to be a bit tired, though. So Hollis has a second queen inside her?
I'm very curious to see if they can pull off a satisfying ending.
I felt similarly, not a bad issue but the random dream flashback sequences were really disorienting. Its kinda been there for the whole series but its really gotten worse in the last few issues.
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From what i could tell, hollis was flashbacking the queen birth, the company is going to scrape out some alien residue that is still in her, killing her intentionally in the process.
It was confusing and very disappointing. But hey its not all bad, its not like its another A :CM lol.
I'm sort of despairing at the likelihood they can wrap everything up in one issue.
Somehow I think I missed Issue #10 lol Seemed to be a bit of a random jump, so Im gonna have to go through my collection to find it
For me this series has kinda gone off the boil somewhat
I hope the last issue winds up being double-sized, because there are so many threads still hanging.
They could have made the narrative a little clearer on this issue.
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At first, it seemed like they were trying to say that Zula had been facehugged but then it ends up being that they just want whatever genetic material is left inside Hollis?
Artwork is looking pretty good though!
Yeah. I didnt quite get the flashbacks. They felt out of place.
Anyone know what's been going on with the delays for this book?
Quote from: Whos_Nick on May 03, 2017, 03:58:39 AM
Anyone know what's been going on with the delays for this book?
It appears to be artist issues.
Has there been any comment on if 12 is going to be the final issue?
Not yet. I am assuming that it is 12. Was hoping that Alien Day would see it announced that it was carrying on.
We will see on Dark Horse's August solicits.
They are being really coy about it.
http://www.darkhorse.com/Comics/29-861/Aliens-Defiance-12#prettyPhoto
Preview for issue 12 is up.
I must say that I am disappointed that Stephen Thompson didn't pencil the issue. I think this series may end up being a bit of a let down. I hope not.
Quote from: Russ840 on May 03, 2017, 08:19:56 AM
Not yet. I am assuming that it is 12. Was hoping that Alien Day would see it announced that it was carrying on.
We will see on Dark Horse's August solicits.
They are being really coy about it.
Tristan said on Twitter he thinks a "season 2" is unlikely given how busy Wood is with the Briggs Land comic and TV show. It may eventually get a follow up, especially if we're vocal enough, but I'm fairly sure there are no current plans.
As far as the preview, I think the arts looks fine, I'm just very skeptical that one issue can wrap up all the threads in a satisfying way. We shall see.
Considering the promise this series held when it started out - enough to make me buy it despite my usual aversion to comic books - I can't help but be hugely disappointed how it's ending up.
What a waste of a great start.
The first few issues were simply great.
Sadly it's become a meandering mess.
How?
I wouldnt call it a mess but there have been some weird inconsistancies, flashbacks, and time jumps in the last few issues.
One example, last panel of one issue has the queen alive having killed all the mercanaries, start of the next issue has the queen floating around dead.
For me the series started great and i couldnt wait to see where it was going. But now i feel like it never really went anywhere that i was hoping it would.
Queen died of exposure.
Quote from: SM on Jun 12, 2017, 11:53:32 PM
Queen died of exposure.
I don't remember it being mentioned within the panels of the comic, even so its seemed odd to not deal with it during the issue and it was a disappointing end for her, at least for me.
Some of it just seems so disjointed, but i guess i should give the series another read through to get my facts straight.
I admit I did wonder if she was dead or what but since she was floating in a breached section of ship... Often this series had a gap in events between issues rather than picking up right where the previous issue left off.
I also had to ask Tristan if the Europa fired the missile at the dropship or if it was from one of the parked ships (it was the former).
Yeah. The beginning of the series was great but i think a lot of that had to do with world that Tristan created visually.
It seems like the whole story structure went through changes. Its a shame, for me. I was hoping for another Aliens comic to tand among the small list of great Aliens comics.
Like SM, i fear that the final issue will not wrap everything up well enough.
I think it'll wrap up okay.
Quote from: SM on Jun 13, 2017, 05:59:58 AM
I think it'll wrap up okay.
Sorry. I meant Ultramorph
I also find it sort of strange how the final issue has a lower price point than normal issues. I would have gladly paid more to get a double-sized finale if it allowed them to really wrap things up.
Do you think
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Davis will come back, or do you think he's well and truly dead?
Quote from: Ultramorph on Jun 14, 2017, 05:12:26 PM
I also find it sort of strange how the final issue has a lower price point than normal issues. I would have gladly paid more to get a double-sized finale if it allowed them to really wrap things up.
Do you think Spoiler
Davis will come back, or do you think he's well and truly dead?
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I think he is coming back. It would be a waste to off him and not have the potential to explore his and Zula's relationship, if we get a 'season 2' at a later date. So I hope he is coming back.
If we do get a season 2, the series might live up to the "X-Files of the xenoverse" potential it started with.
Quote from: Ultramorph on Jun 14, 2017, 08:22:57 PM
If we do get a season 2, the series might live up to the "X-Files of the xenoverse" potential it started with.
That would be good. That's how I thought it was going to be throughout.
Damn shame. I'd rather it have been a 6 issue series with art solely by Tristan
Quote from: Ultramorph on Jun 14, 2017, 05:12:26 PM
I also find it sort of strange how the final issue has a lower price point than normal issues. I would have gladly paid more to get a double-sized finale if it allowed them to really wrap things up.
Do you think Spoiler
Davis will come back, or do you think he's well and truly dead?
Hope not.
Yeah, the series took a huge nosedive when Tristan left.
How?
Rock Shop Pop has a positive review.
http://www.rockshockpop.com/forums/content.php?6842-Aliens-Defiance-12 (http://www.rockshockpop.com/forums/content.php?6842-Aliens-Defiance-12)
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No mention of a weapons test like in the solicitations. Did they not even change those when the story changed? :laugh:
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Also seems like they're leaving it open for a season 2, which would be fine if it didn't look like that won't be happening. Damn, can a story in this franchise just have an ending for once?
If there is a season 2 I hope they reduce it to 6 issues and have Tristan do all of the art.
http://hulkingreviewer.com/home/reviews/aliens-defiance-12/
Hulking Reviewer's review is up.
Quote from: 426Buddy on Jun 19, 2017, 05:02:41 PM
If there is a season 2 I hope they reduce it to 6 issues and have Tristan do all of the art.
QFT!
Good final issue. Zula is a great character. I hope we get a follow up.
Art was good but not as great as Tristan's and Stephen's.
I still cant help but feel that we have a slightly chopped up and altered final act here.
Like the previous two issues, the flash back stuff still doesn't work for me. It seems to not have relevance.
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although the Hollis flash back appears to be a dream do that works.
Did not end how I expected.
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I really thought Zula and/ or Davis would rescue Hollis or failing that, otherwise deny the Company. Bit mixed to be honest. On the one hand it's good that it promises another volume of adventures, on the other hand, it'll suck if that doesn't eventuate.
Quote from: SM on Jun 22, 2017, 11:33:32 PM
Did not end how I expected.
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I really thought Zula and/ or Davis would rescue Hollis or failing that, otherwise deny the Company. Bit mixed to be honest. On the one hand it's good that it promises another volume of adventures, on the other hand, it'll suck if that doesn't eventuate.
I did really like that
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Hollis didnt make it.
it was grim
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I was a bit mixed about that too. After all she went through, it was a real shock for Yang to tell Zula she was dead some time after her initial scenes. The positive was - it was a real shock.
Does
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Davis come back?
Quote from: SM on Jun 23, 2017, 12:05:06 PM
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I was a bit mixed about that too. After all she went through, it was a real shock for Yang to tell Zula she was dead some time after her initial scenes. The positive was - it was a real shock.
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it made me realise that i really quite liked Hollis.
Quote from: Ultramorph on Jun 23, 2017, 12:50:57 PM
Does Spoiler
Davis come back?
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he does not come back but Zula retrieves his CPU from hos body in the ocean.
You know i actually found this issue pretty coherent and actually satisfyiing, even though it teased more to come. The art was pretty decent, i liked the way the aliens were drawn, pretty faithful to
Aliens i think.
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Im bummed about Hollis, but im glad Davis1 isnt completely gone.
I really hope they have a season 2. I just hope Tristan returns for the whole run.
Be sure to write to DH and tell them. I would be fine if it came back one issue every other month if it gave Tristan time to do each issue.
Quote from: Ultramorph on Jun 24, 2017, 11:19:41 PM
Be sure to write to DH and tell them. I would be fine if it came back one issue every other month if it gave Tristan time to do each issue.
Oh I have ;D I've probably written a dozen emails regarding Tristan and more alien comics. I actually did get a reply once.
I'd come back in a heart beat. I'm working on Halo and Dracula at the moment and have just inked in a horror project at Waxwork Records, so we'll see how the year pans out, but if I can fit it in or maybe have something to roll into for next year's Alien day, then I'd do it for sure. You guys have all been a great support.
Quote from: tyrannosaurusjones on Jun 26, 2017, 01:09:59 AM
I'd come back in a heart beat. I'm working on Halo and Dracula at the moment and have just inked in a horror project at Waxwork Records, so we'll see how the year pans out, but if I can fit it in or maybe have something to roll into for next year's Alien day, then I'd do it for sure. You guys have all been a great support.
Love how between you, Dane Hallet and co that Aussies are killing it in the Alien sandbox. Bravo mate.
Shit... Forgot to pick up this last issue at the weekend. Will have to wait until next weekend now!
Quote from: tyrannosaurusjones on Jun 26, 2017, 01:09:59 AM
I'd come back in a heart beat. I'm working on Halo and Dracula at the moment and have just inked in a horror project at Waxwork Records, so we'll see how the year pans out, but if I can fit it in or maybe have something to roll into for next year's Alien day, then I'd do it for sure. You guys have all been a great support.
Nice, ill have to check out your Dracula project when its released. A Dracula story with your art sounds amazing.
I do hope you get to do more Alien related stuff, your art is perfect for the Alien universe. Its really some wonderful stuff, i'll be crossing my fingers.
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Weyland-Yutani potentially having "Alien Biomatter" from Hollis really opens up some scary possibilities for a sequel. While I doubt they'd be able to clone a proper Alien with their current technology, I wouldn't be surprised if we got treated to Alien-doped creatures or humans that are somewhat like the failed Ripley clones, except functional. It would be a neat horror outing that doesn't have to worry too much about the films getting in the way. And if Isolation 2 isn't happening, there's always Amanda's return that can be factored in as well. I imagine Davis may be getting a somewhat more human design if he comes back.
So while issue 11 was a bit of a mess with the jumping back and forth between the past and present, issue 12 was an alright send off. I feel the series as a whole needed more breathing room, the flashbacks in issue 11 certainly could have been better if they were their own issue rather than as flashbacks.
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I think we'll be getting hybrids or something, too. They made a big deal about WY's ability to clone xenos from small samples, so I see that getting addressed.
I felt this final issue was a big let down. It was like important stuff happened off panel
I loved this one. Zula, Hollis, and Davis 1 are great characters
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too bad Hollis and Davis 1 didn't make it
(https://www.mamegyorai.co.jp/images/full/492952-1.jpg)
Japanese cover for Volume 1?
https://www.mamegyorai.co.jp/mobile/detail/shouhin_shousai.aspx?item=492952
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ufunk.net%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2013%2F03%2Fthumbs-and-ammo-27.jpg&hash=d9ccd500f927d7a1c7effc881ff1774fe43ecb88)
Link is broken for me.
^ Image link's broken I'm afraid, SM.
*Hicks beat me to it :P
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jul 11, 2017, 12:07:06 PM(https://www.mamegyorai.co.jp/images/full/492952-1.jpg)
Japanese cover for Volume 1?
Saw that over the weekend, love it.
Defiance was a really odd story and it messed with the lore in some parts, still can't believe that Covenant whether intentional or not used a similar but stupid scene from it
I guess Defiance has more in common with AVP:DOTS than just 12 issues
Defiance actually had Aliens in most issues unlike DOTS, and told a coherent story unlike DOTS.
What does it have in common?
Quote^ Image link's broken I'm afraid, SM.
You're not missing anything.
Some major weirdness and while I agree it was much more coherent than DOTS, issue 11 of Defiance not so much. And the there was the Hollis incident which is on par with the Lope incident, which I find lore breaking, I know it doesn't bother you but I tend to take the lore seriously, perhaps a little too much.
To be fair, I have only read Defiance once or twice I think and I read it fast, so I may not have properly taken it all in but I definitely count the Hollis thing and issue 11 as weirdness.
I stopped reading after issue 6 or 7, right about when Tristan was replaced for God knows what reason by someone else. Is it worth picking up the rest or is it the same shlock Dark Horse keeps churning out? Crap movie, crap comics, morons in control of the whole thing.
Actually...I'm the moron that keeps pre ordering all the comics and their paperbacks and blu rays and movie tickets.
Quote from: Nostromo on Jul 12, 2017, 02:20:01 PM
I stopped reading after issue 6 or 7, right about when Tristan was replaced for God know what reason by someone else. Is it worth picking up the rest or is it the same shlock Dark Horse keeps churning out? Crap movie, crap comics, morons in control of the whole thing.
Actually...I'm the moron for keep pre ordering all the comics and their paperbacks and blu rays and movie tickets.
You're just awful :-\
LOL.
Quote from: Nostromo on Jul 12, 2017, 02:20:01 PM
I stopped reading after issue 6 or 7, right about when Tristan was replaced for God knows what reason by someone else. Is it worth picking up the rest or is it the same shlock Dark Horse keeps churning out? Crap movie, crap comics, morons in control of the whole thing.
Actually...I'm the moron that keeps pre ordering all the comics and their paperbacks and blu rays and movie tickets.
I agree with the last bit.
Quote from: The Cruentus on Jul 12, 2017, 11:52:24 AM
Some major weirdness and while I agree it was much more coherent than DOTS, issue 11 of Defiance not so much. And the there was the Hollis incident which is on par with the Lope incident, which I find lore breaking, I know it doesn't bother you but I tend to take the lore seriously, perhaps a little too much.
To be fair, I have only read Defiance once or twice I think and I read it fast, so I may not have properly taken it all in but I definitely count the Hollis thing and issue 11 as weirdness.
You mean Hollis being attacked by facehuggers? How is that even remotely on par with DOTS? We don't even know what would've happened to Hollis had a hugger actually got her. Maybe it would've just let her go, or maybe it would've implanted another embryo. Ripley was part Alien in Resurrection and she got attacked too. With so many unknown factors there's no established lore (which no one else of course takes seriously...) to break.
Quote from: SM on Jul 12, 2017, 09:18:54 PM
You mean Hollis being attacked by facehuggers? How is that even remotely on par with DOTS? We don't even know what would've happened to Hollis had a hugger actually got her. Maybe it would've just let her go, or maybe it would've implanted another embryo. Ripley was part Alien in Resurrection and she got attacked too. With so many unknown factors there's no established lore (which no one else of course takes seriously...) to break.
I said it was on par with the Lope incident but in terms of weirdness, yes it is like DOTS. A hugger
did get on her, this is seen in the next issue during the intro/title/credits part like some sort flashback and I believe issue 12 showed it too, I will double check the latter. I am guessing you believe that she was already impregnated before being attacked by the facehugger swarm, which is fair enough but I don't buy that as there is nothing to prove it though it would be better than the seemingly implantation in moments that is likely what we got and unfortunately Covenant canonized that capability.
Ripley 8 was still mostly human and I think the Aliens never saw her as one of them at all as I believe in early concepts, she was meant to be cocooned when captured. Also there is a difference between someone carrying an embryo and a hybrid, though it is true that a host's dna does get rewritten/altered. Kind of funny though as such a hybrid was created because she was a host first.
I get what you mean but I disagree, the first three films set some rules that were pretty consistent more or less, in all three gestation seems take at least hours, granted the second film does not show much and third fim's beginning seems to interpretable but the extended edition of Aliens as well's bishop's comments imply that facehuggers do not immediately implant the virus, also I believe the Burke scene was cut out because the implantation timing would not have been correct. I would mention the WYR but not sure what the canon status of that anymore.
I would also argue your belief that "
no one else takes the lore seriously" as I don't think Huda or Hicks would have been upset with certain Covenant elements if they did not take the lore seriously. And there was plenty more who had issue with it.
The start of issue 12 is an obvious dream sequence. That's not literally what happened on Wright-Aberra.
The Burke scene was cut because Cameron didn't like how it turned out.
QuoteI would also argue your belief that "no one else takes the lore seriously" as I don't think Huda or Hicks would have been upset with certain Covenant elements if they did not take the lore seriously. And there was plenty more who had issue with it.
Sarcasm doesn't translate to text as well as I'd hoped.
Like I said, I did read it fast so likely didn't take it all in.
Then don't use sarcasm, its not really polite either :P
Hollis falls into darkness then drifts off into space in issue 12, then lands on a bed with the Queen chestburster on her chest. Clearly not what happened earlier in the story.
I stopped reading this around issue 6 or 7 also. I intend to catch up via collected volume. Is there any word on if we will be getting a super sexy hard bound edition like fire and stone?
I believe Volume 1 has been pulled from Diamond, which hints that a collected edition is probably coming.
Quote from: Ultramorph on Jul 14, 2017, 05:07:15 PM
I believe Volume 1 has been pulled from Diamond, which hints that a collected edition is probably coming.
That's a good sign. To be honest though, I'll probably only buy it if there is a decent amount of extra content.
Quote from: Ultramorph on Jul 14, 2017, 05:07:15 PMI believe Volume 1 has been pulled from Diamond, which hints that a collected edition is probably coming.
Seems a bit of a gyp to do a volume 1 then follow it up with a complete collection rather than a volume 2. Bit of a slap in the face to the people who bought the first volume if they then have to re-buy the exact same stuff just to get the second half.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jul 17, 2017, 09:44:47 AM
Quote from: Ultramorph on Jul 14, 2017, 05:07:15 PMI believe Volume 1 has been pulled from Diamond, which hints that a collected edition is probably coming.
Seems a bit of a gyp to do a volume 1 then follow it up with a complete collection rather than a volume 2. Bit of a slap in the face to the people who bought the first volume if they then have to re-buy the exact same stuff just to get the second half.
I've pre ordered Volume 1 and 2. You mean there's not going to be a Volume 2 now? Do retards run Dark Horse?
PS> I just checked Amazon, it's still available for pre order...hmmm
Aliens: Defiance Volume 2 Oct 10 2017
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Just been pushed back a few weeks. I had it down for the end of September in the Motion Tracker.
I re-read the entire series on Sunday. I really don't think the back half was quite as bad as I'd thought it was during the single read. The shift of artist was a little disappointing but the artist they got in for the last few issues, Stephen Thompson(?), was pretty good and his style looks somewhat similar to Tristan's. I do think he's another one we've been spoilt with though and I really hope he comes back on more projects.
Storywise, the back end of the season does get sloppy. There's really no time for the hugger to finish the business with Hollis, the whole thing with letting the Queen out and then her mysteriously dying despite "not even a scratch" following her fight with the mercs and then they just sort of turn around for home. Granted, I get why and I liked those last few issues of wrap-up but just felt a little bit of a whimper rather than a bang.
I really did love all the characters. It was definitely a great core group. I'd be really interested in seeing a continuation.
Yeah, you can really tell they changed direction about halfway through, and it really hurt the series overall.
It's a shame this series went from such a promising start to being so much of nothing by the end.
I thought it was pretty badass that they kept the Queen and the intent with using it to wipe out invaders but I didn't get the impression they were in that dire of a situation to warrant going that far and I would have liked to have seen them perhaps try and herd the Queen that way, rather than the convenience of her just going the right way.
I wouldn't go as far as to say it was pretty much nothing, though.
Though the timeline did seem a little out of wack. Didn't they have this as taking place well before Aliens?
Yeah, I was really looking forward to Zula and Davis blasting off into the unknown and getting basically X-Files in the Aliens universe.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Nov 20, 2017, 03:56:11 PM
I thought it was pretty badass that they kept the Queen and the intent with using it to wipe out invaders but I didn't get the impression they were in that dire of a situation to warrant going that far and I would have liked to have seen them perhaps try and herd the Queen that way, rather than the convenience of her just going the right way.
I wouldn't go as far as to say it was pretty much nothing, though.
Though the timeline did seem a little out of wack. Didn't they have this as taking place well before Aliens?
It was taking place in the same time frame as Isolation. So quiet a bit before Aliens
Loved this series! But yeah, the second half is a weaker. I was also confused about the timeline. Does this mean they had xeno DNA on earth before Aliens? ::)
And maybe I just missed this, but was it hinted at where the aliens came from? ???
The idea of WY being to basically grow Aliens from samples was sort of cool, and I think they were setting up something with hybrids. It does present issues as far as the timeline, though, like why they didn't just grow Aliens from the millions of pieces of the xeno from A3.
This started of so well but went all Colonial Marines by the end. Disappointed really. I was totally enjoying the series at first...
How was it even remotely "all Colonial Marines"?
Yeah, I think that was somewhat hyperbolic. The second half was disappointing but nowhere near Colonial Marines level of madness.
Both series started off well, then there was a clear change in direction half way through and different artists, and overall different feel to the series as compared to where it started.
Yeah that's true but Defiance is no where near as crap as Colonial Marines
As someone who has only read Aliens CM recently, i found it started off bad and only got worse.
Aliens Defiance had a wonderful first half. The second half was not as good but was still better than anything in the Aliens CM series.
CM didn't just have different artists - the writing team changed a lot and original plan changed from 12 issues to 10. Ultimately the conclusion was very confused. Defiance isn't.
Defiance isn't even in the same ballpark.
The first half was awesome. No question. The story had balls. The character went rogue. But at the end she just turned herself in? And everything was basically ok? Come on! This story went nowhere. I feel like this thing keeps happening at Dark Horse where they get permission to do a certain story and then half-way through, they are forced to change it to something else. It was like that with the original Colonial Marines story, and there were others that don't come to mind at the moment..
Zula had no choice but to return. Her back was wrecked.
And I seem to recall the Europa was in pretty bad shape too.
She just needed some black goo for her back... ;)
Aliens Definace 2: Accelerant Wars.
Quote from: SM on Nov 23, 2017, 10:07:00 PMZula had no choice but to return. Her back was wrecked.
I get that, but Perfect-Organism's right in that it did seem like a big, unintended turn-around in the story. At least, it came across to me that way.
Have to read it again. Never read the whole thing in one whack; only month by month.
My biggest gripe with the way the story unfiloded was how a few threads were left hanging, particularly Hollis studying the xenos to create a weapon against them, and Davis saving the finger.
Found out I was missing an issue of the series. Then managed to find the Issue in Cardiff's Forbidden Planet
Been trying to find back issues of this to no avail at my LCS. Been collecting the Aliens comics lately after going pretty much my whole life without reading any... and most of them that I've gotten/read so far have been pretty terrible (with a few gems among the shit), but it is fun regardless to dive in and see how different creative teams interpret this universe in a new medium.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Nov 24, 2017, 10:45:39 AM
Quote from: SM on Nov 23, 2017, 10:07:00 PMZula had no choice but to return. Her back was wrecked.
I get that, but Perfect-Organism's right in that it did seem like a big, unintended turn-around in the story. At least, it came across to me that way.
Just reading it again. The ships environmental system was rooted and Zula was addicted to pain medication.
Quote from: SM on Nov 29, 2017, 10:52:57 AM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Nov 24, 2017, 10:45:39 AM
Quote from: SM on Nov 23, 2017, 10:07:00 PMZula had no choice but to return. Her back was wrecked.
I get that, but Perfect-Organism's right in that it did seem like a big, unintended turn-around in the story. At least, it came across to me that way.
Just reading it again. The ships environmental system was rooted and Zula was addicted to pain medication.
That's all a pretty big contrivance used to justify the turn-around, given the grandiose setup the first half of the run established. Defiance was set up as an ongoing series, there's a ton of different ways to solve both of those problems without spending 5/12ths of its run time returning to Earth and abruptly ending the series. Have Davis and Zula abandon the Europa for a different ship (hell, they were even provided one when the pirates docked, and then all the pirates got killed). Explore Zula and Davis resorting to potentially unethical, pirate-like behavior to get Zula more pain medication. It's not a difficult problem to write yourself out of.
Just finished this. The artist change was jarring.
Is this supposed to be the same ship?
https://i.imgur.com/q9v3IXA.jpg
They look nothing alike! Maybe I just missed something in the story.
There was some issues with the look of the Europa. One issue definitely made a mistake to make it look like the Sulaco, but it was otherwise pretty consistent.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Nov 20, 2017, 03:46:33 PM
I re-read the entire series on Sunday. I really don't think the back half was quite as bad as I'd thought it was during the single read. The shift of artist was a little disappointing but the artist they got in for the last few issues, Stephen Thompson(?), was pretty good and his style looks somewhat similar to Tristan's. I do think he's another one we've been spoilt with though and I really hope he comes back on more projects.
Storywise, the back end of the season does get sloppy. There's really no time for the hugger to finish the business with Hollis, the whole thing with letting the Queen out and then her mysteriously dying despite "not even a scratch" following her fight with the mercs and then they just sort of turn around for home. Granted, I get why and I liked those last few issues of wrap-up but just felt a little bit of a whimper rather than a bang.
I really did love all the characters. It was definitely a great core group. I'd be really interested in seeing a continuation.
We're finally doing a podcast on this so I've re-read the series in 2 sittings over the last couple of days. My opinion has pretty much maintained as above.
Hopefully Resistance will make up for Defiance's lackluster conclusion.
Looking forward to listening to the podcast
And the podcast is now up! :)
https://www.avpgalaxy.net/2018/11/12/discussing-aliens-defiance-avp-galaxy-podcast-76/
Awesome :-)
I really loved defiance.
There are problems, least of all the queen, like when they are boarded by pirates theres 5 of them. but when the queen turns up there is all of sudden about a hundred pirates for the queen to kill.
Also what happened to the davis unit running the mutiny. one minute he is giving orders the next he is hiding round a corner with a hole in his head. i still don't get what happened there.
But there is so much to love here, it truly feels like it is set in the universe just as isolation did.
To see the colonial marines portrayed as the bad guys was fantastic as the marines in these stories and video games bore me to absolute tears so i really loved how they changed them up.
what i would really love to see is not colonial marines but weyland yutani commandos, those bad boys drawn up by tristan jones or stephen thompson, put me down for two copies.
One thing i would like to say is i really appreciated the way the story dealt with mental health, especially from the mindset of zula, her broken heart and feelings of having let her unit down by being injured in battle really hit the nail on the head. then to have her have to kill some of her former comrades for the greater good is powerful story telling.
Hollis's trauma from surviving a chestburster was very well done. i really liked how defeated she was after it and to see her killed off didn't sit well with me even though you don't actually see her get killed, just knocked out for surgery. So i have had a thought, what if she isn't dead. After reading the synopsis for the upcoming resistance i started thinking what if hollis is the one running the bio weapons programme and has gone all Dr Church with her research. they both survived their own chest burster removal and her knowledge would be more beneficial to W-Y than a dead body. Wouldn't it be great if there was some sort of link to hollis and resistance. maybe make hollis an antagonist for zula. Just a thought.
anyway, great podcast. was really happy you finally talked about this amazing story.
I was initially put off by Defiance due to its placement in the timeline. The whole idea of all these aliens popping up out of nowhere when they were supposed to be out of sight, out of mind for decades prior to Ripley's return in Aliens was very iffy for me, but Brian Wood is a great writer and I was able to enjoy the story he was telling as it unfolded. I wasn't quite sure how it was going to end, and I grew to care about the three protagonists (especially Davis), so those things propelled me through every issue in spite of my initial misgivings. The art was really good as well and, like the writing, it left a strong enough impression to keep my interest. Defiance proves that a good story that's written and illustrated well can compensate for canonical issues. Resistance should be a very interesting follow-up, and hopefully it'll shed more light on the stuff that had me scratching my head at the beginning of Defiance.
Indeed, I hope so.
I found Dr. Hollis to be the most compelling character in the series. Followed by Davis.
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Nov 14, 2018, 08:59:38 PM
I found Dr. Hollis to be the most compelling character in the series. Followed by Davis.
Yes!
I really enjoy the podcasts, watched about 95% of them and I'm always looking forward to the next one.
Agreed with the majority that was said, almost all of the good and bad things were discussed.
The only thing I can add is that I also really liked this series even though it wasn't perfect. All of it was worth it alone for just that one panel where the damaged alien approaches the crouched marines through the doorway. Tristan's art showed the aliens to be menacing like few other artists do. Compelling characters, great action and disturbing aliens. The second half was good, but the first one is just such a visual win for me. I find that aesthetic quality very important in my alien media.
Exited for Resistance!
QuoteThe whole idea of all these aliens popping up out of nowhere when they were supposed to be out of sight, out of mind for decades prior to Ripley's return in Aliens was very iffy for me
We are aware of this and have it in hand. ;)
Quote from: SM on Nov 14, 2018, 11:53:02 PM
QuoteThe whole idea of all these aliens popping up out of nowhere when they were supposed to be out of sight, out of mind for decades prior to Ripley's return in Aliens was very iffy for me
We are aware of this and have it in hand. ;)
Let me guess, the entire franchise after Alien 79 (books and all) has been a dream. The narcissus crash lands back on earth, and Ripley awakens to find the world is now ruled by "Damn Dirty Apes!?"
SPOILERS!!!
I like the idea that David set up shop and has been covertly supplying different groups with Xenos in the years after Covenant. :laugh:
phew, without that emoji i would have thought you were being serious
I mean, if Advent is canon it's possible. :laugh:
is advent considered canon?
Yes
then it makes me pretty sad to think that all the xeno's we see in various titles were a result of david, ha
Or the result of Guy Pearce being a dick to robots. :laugh:
on the other hand, he rocked it in memento
Quote from: toro on Nov 15, 2018, 03:18:45 AM
then it makes me pretty sad to think that all the xeno's we see in various titles were a result of david, ha
Is that really the case, though? ;)
Iam very enjoyd this Episode
The Comic is awesome Part two follows in Germany in December
Hype :)
Quote from: Xenomrph on Nov 16, 2018, 04:41:48 AM
Quote from: toro on Nov 15, 2018, 03:18:45 AM
then it makes me pretty sad to think that all the xeno's we see in various titles were a result of david, ha
Is that really the case, though? ;)
hopefully we some day find out, and the answer is no
Until that happens, it isn't.
what about those who insist on the covenant novel, and the advent tie-in, as being evidence he's replicating what the engineers did before him?
They're free to insist as they see fit (not sure what Advent has to do with anything though).
Don't expect Fox to ever directly address the issue though.
david in advent - 'beings that understood that you give life to both the wolf and the lamb. but then they tried to banish the wolf, and undo their creation. so i took their secrets for myself'
i feel like that is an implication
Don't think he was talking about the Aliens. More the pathogen.
yeah, could very well be the case
Quote from: SM on Nov 23, 2018, 03:17:27 AM
Until that happens, it isn't.
The answer certainly isn't "yes", either. :)
Don't go down this rabbit-hole...
TOO LATE
AIN'T NO BRAKES ON THIS CRAZY TRAIN
CHOO CHOO
Quote from: Xenomrph on Nov 23, 2018, 05:30:17 PM
The answer certainly isn't "yes", either. :)
Is for now as far as Fox cares.
Choo choo.
Quote from: SiL on Nov 24, 2018, 05:38:07 AM
Quote from: Xenomrph on Nov 23, 2018, 05:30:17 PM
The answer certainly isn't "yes", either. :)
Is for now as far as Fox cares.
Choo choo.
[citation needed]
Like, you're talking about the same FOX that published a novelization that says the exact opposite, right?
Quote from: SiL on Nov 24, 2018, 07:50:23 AM
Quote from: Xenomrph on Nov 24, 2018, 07:27:10 AM
[citation needed]
Quote from: SM on Nov 23, 2018, 03:17:27 AM
Until that happens, it isn't.
Choo choo.
SM isn't FOX, nor is he speaking for them with every post he makes. :)
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/PQfttBhmKuA/maxresdefault.jpg)
Besides,
Quote from: Xenomrph on Nov 24, 2018, 07:27:10 AM
Like, you're talking about the same FOX that published a novelization that says the exact opposite, right?
Choo choo.
But hey, while we're quoting SM,
Quote from: SM on Nov 23, 2018, 03:42:32 AM
They're free to insist as they see fit (not sure what Advent has to do with anything though).
Don't expect Fox to ever directly address the issue though.
As in, "fox doesn't care".
No, in other words it's "Don't expect Fox to address it directly", not "doesn't care".
Choo chooo, stopping all stations.
Yeah that's what that phrase means - they aren't going to address it directly because they don't care.
But it's a moot point anyway because
Quote from: Xenomrph on Nov 24, 2018, 09:31:56 AM
SM isn't FOX, nor is he speaking for them with every post he makes. :)
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/PQfttBhmKuA/maxresdefault.jpg)
And as you failed to address twice now,
Quote from: Xenomrph on Nov 24, 2018, 07:27:10 AM
Like, you're talking about the same FOX that published a novelization that says the exact opposite, right?
Choo choo
And it's even
more of a moot point because who cares what FOX says anyway? Toro wasn't talking about FOX, SM is the one who brought them up as if it mattered.
and it's even
even more of a moot point because who gives a shit, none of this has anything to do with Aliens: Defiance.
Quote from: SiL on Nov 24, 2018, 10:22:48 AM
No, in other words it's "Don't expect Fox to address it directly", not "doesn't care".
Choo chooo, stopping all stations.
Correct.
Quote from: SM on Nov 24, 2018, 09:22:21 PM
Quote from: SiL on Nov 24, 2018, 10:22:48 AM
No, in other words it's "Don't expect Fox to address it directly", not "doesn't care".
Choo chooo, stopping all stations.
Correct.
So it's a moot point what Fox thinks because they're not going to address it directly anyway.
Either way it's a moot point.
Moot moot.
Look at this mootley crew.
Quote from: 426Buddy on Nov 25, 2018, 11:44:54 AM
Look at this mootley crew.
Is that a new avatar? Because it's pretty great.
Quote from: SM on Nov 14, 2018, 11:53:02 PM
QuoteThe whole idea of all these aliens popping up out of nowhere when they were supposed to be out of sight, out of mind for decades prior to Ripley's return in Aliens was very iffy for me
We are aware of this and have it in hand. ;)
Hm...
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Nov 12, 2018, 07:28:51 PM
And the podcast is now up! :)
https://www.avpgalaxy.net/2018/11/12/discussing-aliens-defiance-avp-galaxy-podcast-76/
Another solid podcast guys! I'm hoping that "resistance" follows the trail of xenos back to their source.
I hope so too. And I hope the trail goes back to a Juggernaut somewhere.
Quote from: Xiggz456 on Nov 28, 2018, 06:54:01 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Nov 12, 2018, 07:28:51 PM
And the podcast is now up! :)
https://www.avpgalaxy.net/2018/11/12/discussing-aliens-defiance-avp-galaxy-podcast-76/
Another solid podcast guys! I'm hoping that "resistance" follows the trail of xenos back to their source.
Thanks, Xiggz.
Quote from: Ultramorph on Nov 28, 2018, 07:00:00 PM
I hope so too. And I hope the trail goes back to a Juggernaut somewhere.
Indeed? Perhaps.
As the production designer on Prometheus said the SJ is the "holy cow" of Alien.
So it's a... environment, that needs to be handled with extreme care.
Crashed juggernauts sprinkled throughout the universe. They were designed by the same engineers who designed the Ford Pinto. ::)
To be fair it looks like the Juggernaut in Covenant was made to look like it crashed by David, it didn't necessarily.
The LV-223 Juggernaut was crashed by the impact and detonation of another vessel but remained entirely intact as far as we can tell.
I have to say, from a designer's point of view, that the juggernaut's shape makes them look like they're sinking ships. You know that moment when the Titanic lifted its rear end? It is that sort of vibe. There's an aura of negativity about them, especially since they've been called "derelict" for 33 years...
I never picked up on that, very true.
Quote from: The Old One on Nov 30, 2018, 01:15:34 AM
To be fair it looks like the Juggernaut in Covenant was made to look like it crashed by David, it didn't necessarily.
The LV-223 Juggernaut was crashed by the impact and detonation of another vessel but remained entirely intact as far as we can tell.
Internally the Juggernaut was mucked up but Shaw exited where Prometheus hit and it didn't even seem scorched. Internally the Dreadnaught didn't appear as damaged. Nor the Derelict.
The Derelict, both in Isolation and Alien 1979 is moist, battered and overall seems... Derelict.
Like a scratched up vehicle, there's no way to know if the damage is functional or just weathering
but it gives the impression of an old abandoned haunted house that logically should crumble but... yet, doesn't.
You're probably right in that Prometheus' Juggernaut's interior is likely inoperable even if the exterior is seamless.
And I believe to a degree, the Covenant Juggernaut is part theatre on David's part - luring the Covenant certainly is.
Which makes me wonder if somehow David engineered events to attract a ship.
I always found the idea that David engineered the neutrino burst to be beyond stupid. He can set off a stellar ignition from a different sector light years away - but can't fix a Dreadnaught and leave?
True.
I suppose what I should've said was, has he dressed the scene at all when he decided to send that transmission?
What was the dreadnought again? ???
The ship David and Shaw took from LV-223.
Quote from: The Old One on Nov 30, 2018, 05:24:02 AM
True.
I suppose what I should've said was, has he dressed the scene at all when he decided to send that transmission?
Not sure there was a need to dress anything. Assuming David setup the transmission all he needs to do is make sure it keeps transmitting.
Is there actually any difference physically between the ships?
None whatsoever I can perceive, thought it was the Juggernaut until told otherwise.
There's a corridor on the Dreadnought that more organic looking akin to the Derelict, but other than that it seems the same as the Juggernaut. Dreadnought is just a name they used on the production.
Or just a corridor we never saw on the Juggernaut. :laugh:
It's the only point of difference I can see. The Dreadnought walls otherwise have the same constructed look (as opposed to organic) as the Juggernaut.
Yeah, the corridor with the statues and the orrery chamber are the same as these in the Juggernaut.
Quote from: The Old One on Nov 30, 2018, 03:18:06 AM
The Derelict, both in Isolation[/s]
One of my favorites game enviroments, but seriously the Space Jockey chamber looks huge; like a cathedral.
I finally powered through this whole series. Still processing what I just saw and I may have questions...
Fire away!
I'll help if I can... ;)
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Nov 30, 2018, 06:02:16 PM
Is there actually any difference physically between the ships?
There is a few but they are very close, I think some of the corridors and designs were less biomechanical other than maybe one that is seen. The pilot chamber is the more obvious difference. I am not sure about size either. I remember comparing them before but it was awhile ago. At least as far as I remember anyway.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jan 10, 2019, 07:42:43 AM
I finally powered through this whole series. Still processing what I just saw and I may have questions...
You just read Defiance? Dang lol. Thought you were on top of all this man.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jan 10, 2019, 09:17:38 AM
Fire away!
Is this where the full-Umbrella version of W-Y came from? This series seems to depict more of a military-industrial cabal of W-Y execs and USCM brass colluding with each other to bring the alien to Earth.
I finally read this to prepare for Resistance and I was just as confused as the staff here in the podcast. I wanted to bring some of these points back to the front. I liked the series for the most part, but these major points in the last half bothered me:
Spoiler
1. DEATH OF THE QUEEN
So the comic shows the queen being shot by the pirates, then the characters announce that she barely has a scratch, then they punch the thrusters and the Europa rips away from the pirate ship. In the next issue, the queen is suddenly dead. It looked like the queen and pirates were in the docking tube between the two ships during their final moments, so I assumed the queen somehow died when they hit the thrusters. It does look like the explosion of the pirate ship may have gone through the docking tube and hit her... or perhaps she succumbed to her bullet wounds after the characters announced that she looked fine. Either way, this part was really clunky and annoying.
2. THE MOONBASE DEAL
After listening to the podcast, I wanted to clarify how I interpreted the events in issue 10 and open it for debate.
-So Zula gives in and heads toward Earth to give WY the alien.
-Davis is pissed and announces that he has a plan to get Zula home without handing over the alien.
-When they get to Earth, the military on the moonbase expresses disappointment that the specimen is dead, but agree to take it in exchange for safe passage anyway.
-But then Davis shoves the queen into space and blows it up with a fuel cell.
-With the alien specimen destroyed, the military retracts their offer of safe passage by shooting at the Europa.
-Zula and Hollis knew this was going to happen, so they were waiting in the escape pod.
(I guess Zula and Hollis were hoping to escape in the pod and not be detected among the debris from the Europa? Was that Davis's big plan?)
-The military probably would have destroyed the pod too, but they detect traces of residual matter left inside of Hollis, so they let Zula and Hollis land on Earth, then aprehend them.
(I find it hard to swallow that they they can somehow detect "residual material" inside of Hollis.)
3. WHY KILL HOLLIS AND NOT ZULA?
The company was cartoonishly evil enough to make sure Hollis "doesn't survive" her surgery at the end, but they let Zula go with a tracking device? If they were concerned about covering their tracks to the point that they'd execute Hollis, I don't see why they wouldn't do the same to Zula. They could have made sure Zula "didn't survive" her back surgery.
Spoiler
The alien was already removed though, the only reason they operated on Hollis for was for the remaining alien biological material left over in her system.
Spoiler
Yeah, Correct.
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Alright then. No answers. This comic series really is a mess. :P
Is it possible that the queen left some royal jelly inside of Hollis that contained microscopic alien eggs... or something?
I enjoyed this series and it would be really nice if it made sense.
Quote from: David's Creation on Feb 03, 2019, 09:38:28 PM
I enjoyed this series and it would be really nice if it made sense.
Haha, I feel much the same- despite being really into it at first (Kudos to Tristan Jones)
the more I look back on it the less I like it.
It has a lot of problems that could be potentially fixed by a sequel though, which means Resistance has a lot riding on it.
We'll see.
Quote from: The Cruentus on Feb 02, 2019, 11:52:59 AM
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The alien was already removed though, the only reason they operated on Hollis for was for the remaining alien biological material left over in her system.
Spoiler
That.
A few clunky bits doesn't make it "a mess".
I looked over the final issue again.
Zula says "They killed her?"
Dr. Yang says WY "were determined to get their sample."
I guess this implies that they completely took her apart to get everything they could, with absolutely no regard for her survival.
But I still don't quite understand Zula's release.
She admits to going AWOL, disobeying orders, destroying company property, and killing fellow soldiers. When asked why she did it, she basically says "Ask the director if he knows what he's after, because I do, and it's dangerous." Then they dismiss her, patch up her back, and offer her a job? I guess she refuses and they let her go with a tracking device?
I'm sorry, but I don't follow any of this.
Hollis, being on a station where everyone was killed, was easier to dispose of.
So they let Zula skate in exchange for her silence?
Zula would be sooooo toast! She killed other marines.
Those marines were trying to obtain Alien specimens, as directed by some people very high up in USCM.
Right, so why would the marines just let her off for it?
I feel like there's a lot of political shit and company structure between the marines and WY that I'm just not getting... I figured everyone in the marines was in WY's pocket and it was as simple as that, (in this particular series anyway).
And maybe "a mess" is a bit harsh, but I'm being more critical on Defiance than I would with most other comics because it's connected to the new Amanda stuff, which is all we're getting lately. I want to lap up the #ReadPlayWatch stuff like a starving dog. :P
I'm not sure they're going to summarily execute her either.
QuoteI feel like there's a lot of political shit and company structure between the marines and WY that I'm just not getting... I figured everyone in the marines was in WY's pocket and it was as simple as that, (in this particular series anyway).
Erudite. ;)
Boy, does Resistance have a lot riding on it.
I have a feeling Resistance is just going to forge ahead and not look back to clarify anything in the past.
I haven't had a chance to listen to yet but here's Clara's interview with Tristan: https://yutani.studio/2019/02/18/creatives-tristan-jones-comic-artist-and-character-designer/
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 18, 2019, 09:48:31 AM
I haven't had a chance to listen to yet but here's Clara's interview with Tristan: https://yutani.studio/2019/02/18/creatives-tristan-jones-comic-artist-and-character-designer/
Loving the Australian vibe on this one.
https://tinyurl.com/TRexJonesInterview
Finally read this whole run. It was... ok. Started off very strong; the beginning lived up to that "Aliens meets X-Files" pitch I heard touted so many times, and Tristan's issues were gorgeous. Writing was really solid, too.
Around the midpoint it really went off the rails, though. Writing got hard to follow and inconsistent, with random dropped plot threads and flashbacks that either killed the pacing or barely functioned in the narrative (and, sometimes, were hard to even differentiate from the current events). The art ranged from just ok to pretty awful. The final issue was a step up from the previous few, but still not of the quality that the first few issues had promised.
Oh well, glad to have finally read this one. I did really like Zula and Davis. Will be starting Resistance soon, in time for issue 2 to drop on Wednesday.
Ya, I think you described it fairly aptly.
I will not be buying single issues of Resistance. I'm luke-warm invested in the story. The TPB I will buy for sure though.
Tristan's artist proofs are now available >> https://tyrannojones.bigcartel.com/products
I picked up two. This one for Shevvie since he always goes on about it when we chat Defiance:
(https://assets.bigcartel.com/product_images/232918547/ALIENS_06_05_LO.jpg?auto=format&fit=max&h=1000&w=1000)
And this page for me:
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It's actually the first thing like this I've brought.
Nice!
You can also get the uncensored and unpublished Hollis page.
My God, THIS man knows HOW to draw Alien! Very Isolation inspired.
Also don't forget to listen Tristan's interview in last Yutani Podcast. Dude brings some actually interesting thoughts. Especially i liked his take on Aliens despite i cannot fully agree with him.
Yeah...
We had a "little chat" about that.
Spoiler
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;D
Quote from: The Old One on Feb 26, 2019, 12:14:25 PM
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Cannot help but saying that Brian Glover performance in 3 is great. He's so disgusting and weirdly attractive in the same time.
The magic of charisma.
Quote from: SM on Feb 26, 2019, 12:02:58 PM
You can also get the uncensored and unpublished Hollis page.
Are they two separate pages or just the nips one?
Both censored and uncensored.
Quote from: Kradan on Feb 26, 2019, 12:07:34 PM
My God, THIS man knows HOW to draw Alien! Very Isolation inspired.
Also don't forget to listen Tristan's interview in last Yutani Podcast. Dude brings some actually interesting thoughts. Especially i liked his take on Aliens despite i cannot fully agree with him.
It's okay, nobody ever does ;)
My thoughts on ALIENS and ALIEN 3 are... not overly popular.
Quote from: tyrannosaurusjones on Feb 26, 2019, 07:59:08 PM
Quote from: Kradan on Feb 26, 2019, 12:07:34 PM
My God, THIS man knows HOW to draw Alien! Very Isolation inspired.
Also don't forget to listen Tristan's interview in last Yutani Podcast. Dude brings some actually interesting thoughts. Especially i liked his take on Aliens despite i cannot fully agree with him.
It's okay, nobody ever does ;)
My thoughts on ALIENS and ALIEN 3 are... not overly popular.
You've made me honor replying to my post, sir! See me bowing! ;)
Talking about ALIENS: i love that movie and can forgive its logical mistakes and plot holes but i think that it's really overrated to some degree and that amounts of people declaring how much they love ALIENS and people who are actually into second movie and know for what reasons they love it are significantly unequal.
ALIEN
3? Honestly i cannot remember what were your points about third one and i should re-listen your interview with Clara.
And still: your art is gorgeous. I hope it will make you be pleased that your art acknowledged even in far far away Ukraine.
Relistened?
Fancy Pants Hardcover incoming guys and girls.
http://www.penguinrandomhouseretail.com/book/?isbn=9781506714585
On sale 12th November
Sa-weet! I hope we've got some cool behind-the-scenes material in there too!
Anyone picking this up ?
I imagine I will but it's a good few months off.
Im in two minds.
If the bonus content is generous then I'll be persuaded.
I live the first half. So much. Mostly due to Tristan's art, but also because the story was really tight.
It just looses me a little for the second half.
Having oversized Tristan art is a real attraction for this collection though.
There was too much padding and contrived stuff in the 2nd half.. all those dream sequences didn't help.
(the queen growing to full size as if by magic also... wasn't good).
Defiance was a series that felt like it was one issue too long.
All in all, a bit of a mess but i don't hate it...
the ending was appropriately dark, even "X-Files" ish in tone.
And I do like Zula as a lead.
Quote from: Russ840 on Mar 28, 2019, 09:18:42 AM
Having oversized Tristan art is a real attraction for this collection though.
That reminds me, I received my "artist proof" prints off Tristan. Can't wait to get mine framed and give Shevvie his! ;D
Post them up mate.
I did email him about them but he never got back to me.
He had them up for sale mate. I'm sure we'd posted about it in here too.
I must have missed it. Last I remember, he said, on here, to email him.
Damn it lol.
He's still got some available: https://tyrannojones.bigcartel.com/products
Quote from: Russ840 on Mar 28, 2019, 02:45:14 PM
I must have missed it. Last I remember, he said, on here, to email him.
Damn it lol.
Yeah man, still got plenty. Sending more out tomorrow actually.
Awesome. Ill be looking at them.
Thanks guys
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 06, 2019, 03:56:28 PM
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Thats looks.....off to me. Not sure why
Aliens Defiance #1 Glow in the dark variant from Italy:
Oh Nice
Bought these two in amazon. The size difference is bothering me more than it should.
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Is this normal?
i reckon its like having one testicle bigger than the other
it's not normal, but hey it happens
Quote from: Kimarhi on Jul 02, 2019, 04:07:32 AM
i reckon its like having one testicle bigger than the other
it's not normal, but hey it happens
;D Quite possibly the best ever analogy ever posted on this forum.
It'd f**king piss me off too. Think I'm gonna grab the library edition when that hits the shelves.
My complete set of Transmetropolitan has something similar and it annoys me too. The final volume is thicker and greener than the rest.
The joys of printing...
Agreed AP.
Quote from: slipknotpredator on Jul 02, 2019, 02:37:11 AM
Bought these two in amazon. The size difference is bothering me more than it should.
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Is this normal?
I don't see the problem. What am I missing? ???
It's uneven.
That would drive me bananas. We're so OCD with our first world problems. :laugh:
I got my copies from Chapters.ca and while they were the same size, they both came a bit damaged on both occasions. I was to lazy to deal with it.
Hey have you thought of just, you know, trimming one? Which one is the same size as most DH TPBs?
It's weird. The numbers on the pages are cut in half too.
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Anyways, happy to add some new comics to the Alien collection [emoji846]
Quote from: The Old One on Jul 02, 2019, 04:28:22 PM
It's uneven.
I just assumed the bottoms weren't lined up either.
Someone selected A4 instead of Letter.
I see.
Forgive them, for they know not what they do.
Read it, story and art fell apart at the end.
I think that's the general conclusion of the majority.
That we can agree on.
I also thought Zula Hendricks ultimately ended up rather undeveloped, so I'm hoping Prototype changes the character. Define the character as more than just Marine, disability and disadvantage.
https://www.darkhorse.com/Books/3005-505/Aliens-Defiance-Library-Edition-HC
In last months Previews. Tentative ship date is Oct.30,2019
Did the two separate volumes contain any bonus material?
I'm not sure... I will check on it.
I certainly hope so, perhaps even redo part of the art of the last half, if only the pirates.
The pirates were questionable. They looked exactly like 80's action movie bank robber/terrorist.
From what I can remember they were even more uniform than the Marines were.
Very questionable.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jul 21, 2019, 09:57:42 AM
Did the two separate volumes contain any bonus material?
I don't believe so.
Pity, I love concept art.
I personally feel like they're being cagey with this particular series in case unused ideas show up down the line.
The hardcover will have test drawings I did in the back and a cover gallery.
That's good to know. Thanks for the intel, Tristan.
Fantastic. Worth picking up then.
Hi !
Is anyone have the first print of Defiance Extravehicular ? Because there are two versions of the Xeno boss in this comic and I would like to see it if it's possible. Unfortunately it was only published in printed versions and not in digital copies...
Thank you !
Think I've got it somewhere.
Yeah i think i got the original FCBD one somewhere
Is that a problem for you to sent me the scans ?
Got the Hardcover library edition for my bday last weekend and it is beautiful. It starts with a letter from Dr Yang to the USCMC regarding Zula, as well as a quote from Amanda after Zula went MIA. So that was new and interesting and of course there's the T-Rex Jones sketchbook gallery at the end of the book which has some awesome pieces. I really do love these large hardback editions.
Picked mine up at the weekend too. Lovely book. Randomly not all of the stuff in the sketchbook is actually related to Defiance, but it's all Tristan's beauty so no complaints.
Ya I really liked the Engineer/Queen/xeno/human piece!
Yeah, I loved his wordless story set between Aliens and Alien³ the cover is a creepy astronaut with red eyes.
Quote from: Fiendishly Inventive on Dec 02, 2019, 03:00:47 PMYeah, I loved his wordless story set between Aliens and Alien³ the cover is a creepy astronaut with red eyes.
Wait, what? Has he done a secret mini-comic I don't know about?
Yeah, very old now, named Exodus:
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Wow. That's horrible. (The blood from the eyes thing, I mean :laugh:)
Is this in the Defiance hardback?
Jesus Christ thats messed up
I don't know if it's in the new edition of Defiance, I don't own it.
It's not. I had seen some of this art from Tristan but thought it was just something unrelated. Very cool though!
I re-read the series in one sitting yesterday in the new Library Edition. I like the series more every time I read it. I think that was probably my 4th or 5th time through it. It's still got those moments that irk me - looking at your "not a scratch" then suddenly dead, or the Covenant-tier facehugging - but I think as an entire package it's actually pretty good.
I really do love the episodic/TV series feel to it. In that vein I think the different artists works as in different directors, but Stephen Thomas and Tony Brescini are similar enough in style to Tristan that I think there's enough visual continuity between them.
Which Covenant tier facehugging?
Hollis' impregnation.
Hollis was impregnated before Zula and Davis showed up.
Where does that come up? But it also seems like a snafu in her being attacked by the huggers in the first place, so it doesn't work either way IMHO.
It doesn't at all if I remember correctly, SM and I had pretty much the same conversation awhile back about this, and while his explanation is sound and could be a possibility (as it is a queen chestburster after all, which means longer gestation period) nothing in the comic as far as I recall even hints at Hollis being impregnated prior to the facehugger attack. Her cut lip gets pointed out after the attack, so I get the impression that it was meant to hint at something.
It seems very obvious that she was already carrying the Queen.
a) it's a Queen and they take days to gestate
b) it explains how Hollis is the only survivor
c) Davis kills the hugger before it attaches itself to her.
Quote from: SM on Jan 07, 2020, 08:08:23 PM
a) it's a Queen and they take days to gestate
Yep, that was an issue I had with her being infected during the attack.
Quoteb) it explains how Hollis is the only survivor
Not so sure on that one. Newt wasn't infected. And Hollis could have just have been hiding too.
Quotec) Davis kills the hugger before it attaches itself to her.
But they still attack her.
Either way, it isn't satisfactory for me which is why this particular thing will be something that just annoys me about Defiance. But like I said, it's just one of those few things that gets on my nerves about the series, but I'm finding I just enjoy the whole thing more each time I revisit it.
Even cold forge has the facehuggers insta-impregnate their host, I think one page mentions how as soon as it attached to the chimp it was already implanting the plagiarius praepoteans into them. One guy does say that it does remain attached for a day but it still another one of those covenant-issues.
Personally I don't like it, I prefer the original life cycle timing.
QuoteNot so sure on that one. Newt wasn't infected. And Hollis could have just have been hiding too.
Was she hiding? Newt was able to hide due to being small. Everyone bigger than her was dead.
QuoteBut they still attack her.
Why would they not? They attacked Ripley in Resurrection and she was part Alien. The Alien in Alien 3 was a beartbeat away from killing Ripley before it held back. The Queen in AvP
killed Scar who was packing.
Ultimately Hollis isn't shown to be hugged during the events of the comic.
Her being attacked might be an issue; but it's not 'Covenant-tier facehugging' since she didn't get face hugged. Lope did, if only very briefly.
QuoteEven cold forge has the facehuggers insta-impregnate their host, I think one page mentions how as soon as it attached to the chimp it was already implanting the plagiarius praepoteans into them.
Why would it not start implanting straight away?
Quote from: SM on Jan 07, 2020, 11:29:06 PM
QuoteNot so sure on that one. Newt wasn't infected. And Hollis could have just have been hiding too.
Was she hiding? Newt was able to hide due to being small. Everyone bigger than her was dead.
Whose to say she wasn't hiding? If I remember rightly the Aliens had all actually been locked away - because Davis unleashes them on the marines. There are more ways to hide or avoid detection than just being small and getting into a little hidey hole.
QuoteQuoteBut they still attack her.
Why would they not? They attacked Ripley in Resurrection and she was part Alien. The Alien in Alien 3 was a beartbeat away from killing Ripley before it held back. The Queen in AvP killed Scar who was packing.
All good points, but none are completely applicable and most can be explained away. Ripley 8 was still human, and we know capable of hosting an Alien. I would assume someone already infected wouldn't be able to just host another burster from a second hugger - but given the Requiem burster in Resistance who knows how far Wood was going to go.
The Queen didn't hit his chest, and I would imagine that's deliberately. You could also argue that his danger to the Queen's continued existence was more important to her. The Alien 3 is a little harder to explain, but we get to see it actually retreat away from her which leads me to ...
QuoteUltimately Hollis isn't shown to be hugged during the events of the comic.
Her being attacked might be an issue; but it's not 'Covenant-tier facehugging' since she didn't get face hugged. Lope did, if only very briefly.
It may not have been shown, but the main takeaway from that sequence for most folk is that it was either something equivalent to Lope's impregnation or not quite work because she is being attacked. I'm sure I'm not alone in that, and I think this'll be an ongoing complaint about the series.
I think it'd have been a more satisfying sequence if we'd actually seen the huggers retreat from Hollis after they'd got to her. If we're thinking it takes proximity for them to sense the embryo (if that scene in Alien 3 is the Runner realising for the first time), then I'd have been okay with them going for her and then backing off.
I totally agree with you on principal, but also, instantaneous impregnation is just the way it is now, so I don't mind.
QuoteThe Queen didn't hit his chest, and I would imagine that's deliberately.
Probably, but that's beside the point. She still killed a host.
QuoteIt may not have been shown, but the main takeaway from that sequence for most folk is that it was either something equivalent to Lope's impregnation or not quite work because she is being attacked.
I don't see how it's equivalent to Lope - when its clearly not the same as Lope. A hugger doesn't attach to her face like Lope so can't implant anything.
Quote from: SM on Jan 07, 2020, 11:29:06 PM
QuoteEven cold forge has the facehuggers insta-impregnate their host, I think one page mentions how as soon as it attached to the chimp it was already implanting the plagiarius praepoteans into them.
Why would it not start implanting straight away?
Because Marachuk and that other colonist was not implanted straight away, both died from having the huggers removed before implantation.
Personally I always thought huggers had to go through a process before they could start implanting a host, whether that is gathering the plagiarus praepotens or forming whatever is was previous assumed to implant the host with, hence why the only die after implantation because their body is drained from creating the embryo for lack of a better word.
Perhaps some facehuggers have `performance' issues as well.
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Because Marachuk and that other colonist was not implanted straight away, both died from having the huggers removed before implantation.
Fair point. The report was a much as the doctors at Hadley knew I guess.
Quote from: SM on Jan 08, 2020, 10:34:27 AM
QuoteThe Queen didn't hit his chest, and I would imagine that's deliberately.
Probably, but that's beside the point. She still killed a host.
But not the chestburster. And it's not the same situation. If a person was already host, there's no need for a facehugger to try to impregnate them again. But that's why I brought up the whole proximity thing.
QuoteI don't see how it's equivalent to Lope - when its clearly not the same as Lope. A hugger doesn't attach to her face like Lope so can't implant anything.
It's the equivalent because yes, we don't see it latch down, but her being infected earlier isn't really explicit. Where as we actually see her being attacked by the huggers, to the point where it's nearly down and echoes the most recent film in terms of timing.
I understand everything you've put across, but it doesn't make a more satisfactory sequence in the comic for me.
Is that something was actually determined with Wood/your consultancy? Or your figuring after the fact?
Ya the huggers attacking someone already implanted with a queen is definitely a discrepancy. That scene is one of my favorite moments from the series though. Mass huggers attacking is so unsettling!
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Is that something was actually determined with Wood/your consultancy? Or your figuring after the fact?
No, I don't have a script for that issue and since I never saw it as a thing, I've never asked Tristan about it. Might ask him next time I see him if I remember. The actual thing with that issue was Tristan having to censor Hollis' breasts.
Sounds good! Thanks. :)
Just got the hard cover, wow what a beautiful book. I just love qaulity of these fancy pantz editions.
Tristans art is even better in this format. It actually improves my initial feelings on the series.
Glad to hear that.
I bloody loved that spread!
Me too!
Some people slightly stagger their frames for an artistic look, so just pretend it was on purpose! ;D