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QuoteExclusive: Watching the 18 hours of extra features on the Prometheus Blu-ray I learned that Twentieth Century Fox didn't trust screenwriter Jon Spaihts enough to run with his script, so they hired a big name to "clean up" Spaihts' vision. This big draw was none other than "Lost," Cowboys & Aliens and Star Trek Into Darkness writer Damon Lindelof, pictured.

Those of you who've obsessed over the quasi-Alien prequel as much as I have know that Spaihts' vision was a one-shot**, meaning Prometheus lead right into Ridley Scott's 1979 Alien. In fact, a source in pre-production at the time had leaked story details proclaiming that the movie takes place on the planet LV-426 where the elusive Space Jockey was first seen. At the finale of Prometheus, the Jockey ship that crashes is the exact same ship that Ripley and her crew discover in Alien. It's a beautiful way to bridge the new sci-fi epic with the old one. But, if you saw Prometheus, you know that's not what happened. The movie's events don't even take place on the same planet, occurring instead on LV 223 (which is ridiculous and means the Engineers are truly terrible at piloting their ships, crashing them all over the place).

Why? Greed took over.

Lindelof transformed Prometheus into a "trilogy", thus stripping the first film's conclusion of any meaning and setting Ridley and Fox up for disaster. This disaster was perpetuated when Lindelof announced he wouldn't be penning the sequel. So, in short, the guy who convinced the filmmakers to make a trilogy, left them in the dust...

Sources close to the sequel have told Bloody Disgusting that the studio and Scott are literally "freaking out" over how to continue the story of Elizabeth Shaw (Noomi Rapace), and are taking pitches from basically anyone who can crack the story*. While a sequel is nearly inevitable, it definitely puts it in flux, and in a state of jeopardy.

*We expect everyone surrounding the project to deny this story. That's standard procedure. Don't believe 'em.
**Twitter follower @JonSheasby pointed us to a contradiction at Empire Magazine, where Spaihts says Scott and him talked trilogy prior to Lindelof's hiring. You can read the bits below.

Spaihts tells Empire in an old interview: "I did have a plan for multiple films and the conversations I had with Ridley was about a new franchise, from the beginning. We talked about a possible trilogy, or a duology, but more often as a trilogy. And I did have pretty broad notions as to how we were going to get from this world to the original Alien – the baton pass, closing the circle, if you will. So yes, I did have plans for two other films. I came up with an even more twisted sequence than the Medpod, but I cannot tell you what happens...

"My vision of the trilogy would have involved the arrival of the Yutani Company and a couple of other major plays around the Engineers themselves: the revelation of an additional grand Engineer design, and the possibility of seeking an Engineer homeworld. That shot of the ship flying at the end offers a lot of creative ways to play with this. But it feels like it brackets you into the search for the Engineer homeworld and home civilisation. That's an interesting challenge."

In the end, the push to make this a new trilogy is causing a huge headache at Fox as they struggle to figure out the new film's arcs. We'll update you when we hear more.

SOURCE: http://bloody-disgusting.com/news/3225329/prometheus-2-in-space-no-one-can-hear-ridley-scott-and-fox-scream-at-damon-lindelof/ (http://bloody-disgusting.com/news/3225329/prometheus-2-in-space-no-one-can-hear-ridley-scott-and-fox-scream-at-damon-lindelof/)

Devin Faraci confirms Fox have been talking to many screenwriters in his report:

QuoteI can't verify everything in BD's report, but I can tell you I know that Fox has been taking many, many meetings with screenwriters, and that screenwriters have been pretty much bringing in their own pitches, not working within an established frame. I actually don't think this is a bad thing, and the Exquisite Corpse nature of the sequel could give the new writers a chance to make serious course corrections. But that's on the creative end - on the studio end the up-in-the-air nature of the sequel really opens the door for tons of terrible ideas, executive tinkering and Ridley Scott dithering. Maybe Prometheus 2 will die on the vine. More likely, Prometheus 2 will end up being really rushed and half-assed.

SOURCE: http://badassdigest.com/2013/03/27/prometheus-2-a-complete-clusterfrak/ (http://badassdigest.com/2013/03/27/prometheus-2-a-complete-clusterfrak/)

Cvalda...now's the time to get your screen-play powers into gear!!!

In my opinion I think it's good news that people are bringing in their own ideas for completing the a Prometheus trilogy. Prometheus may be a clusterf**k of half developed ideas BUT there are the beginnings of better things there also. I would rather someone bring focus to this series. To take a certain element of Prometheus and run with it, rather than throwing everything they can at the wall in an attempt to make something stick.

Quote from: ShadowPred on Mar 27, 2013, 05:55:13 PM
Cvalda...now's the time to get your screen-play powers into gear!!!

This! :laugh:

Quote from: ShadowPred on Mar 27, 2013, 05:55:13 PM
Cvalda...now's the time to get your screen-play powers into gear!!!

Oh god, yes. Cvalda, now's the time to grow huge brass balls, go to Scott Free Productions and pitch them something badass and epic. :laugh:

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I had a few ideas for how a sequel could go.. i'd be happy to lend a hand. lol :laugh: I even have an idea that solves the black goo problem.  :laugh:

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Oh, you guys. :P

Quote from: Gazz on Mar 27, 2013, 05:50:54 PM
But that's on the creative end - on the studio end the up-in-the-air nature of the sequel really opens the door for tons of terrible ideas, executive tinkering and Ridley Scott dithering. Maybe Prometheus 2 will die on the vine. More likely, Prometheus 2 will end up being really rushed and half-assed.

Much like the first one, then.

As someone who actually enjoys Prometheus (somewhat), I too sincerely hope not.  :P

Cvalda:

http://www.rsafilms.com/contact/scott-free/contact (http://www.rsafilms.com/contact/scott-free/contact)

Go! :P  :laugh:

If only that were how it's done, Blacklabel :P

All I've got to pitch anyway is "David is just a head at the moment. Remember that scene in Re-Animator...?"

Dont bring "reality" into this :P lol


Seriously (not really) now, I'd start with the idea of Shaw going into "paradise".. and making her a sort of Satan figure that invades the garden of eden, and is hell-bent on tearing down her God's work. Also, we really need to give back some lovecraftian appeal to the xenomorph... She's traveling on a spaceship with bioweapons... but they should come into play at some point. (third or second act at least)

Yeah, the re-animator scene could still be in there, too.  :laugh:

Like the op said Spaihts talked about a trilogy from the start so i think this is all bull****, just some angry Lindelof hater. And how the hell did Spaihts version linked the 2 movies? It had a ton of pyramids situated along the ecuator of lv-426 that sent light beams into the sky at the end. If i remember right they didn't find any such thing in Alien or Aliens, Not to mention the life-suport module that crashed next to the derelict with one survivor,that again,haven't been spotted.

I do believe they are throwing ideas at the wall right now. I just hope they go to the engineer homeworld.That is all they have to do and end the story. No 3rd part, don't risk it

I just find that kind of overblown fantasy mythology totally incongruous to the original film, and reaching into space opera, which Alien never was and never should be (you've already got your Star Wars and Star Treks for that, can we not have one sci-fi series that is gritty, harsh and realistic?).

The only interesting angle I can see a sequel taking is exploring the relationship between Shaw and David. They're all each other has now.

WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU WAITING FOR...PITCH, CVALDA...PITCH!!!!!!

Quote from: Cvalda on Mar 27, 2013, 06:42:35 PM,can we not have one sci-fi series that is gritty, harsh and realistic?).

Can we not have a scifi series that is gritty, harsh, fantastical and so nightmarish that it makes everything else out there look like dog piss? :P

I vaguely remember that the producers didnt like Giger's stuff because it was "unrealistic".. (Or was it Ron Cobb, who wanted to design the alien?) ...his stuff seemed to come straight from all our darkest nightmares... the most appealing moments for me of the first alien film were when the crew was going down the "rabbit hole" down into a weird dream... the entire first movie is about the moment where those dark nightmares start invading reality... 

if the franchise wants to have legs, that's what it should have more of, tbh :P not mere repeats of "people getting lost in dark corridors with lurking monsters".

It was less because they thought it was "unrealistic" and more because it was "profane" :P

I think it was another designer who felt it was too unrealistic...

Well, the overall resistance to Giger from most sources was that it was "too nightmarish" or that all the sexual overtones would guarantee the film would be "banned in Catholic countries." :P Giger even had to redesign the egg from its original vulva opening to "the shape of the cross, of which I know Catholics are so fond" (paraphrasing) :laugh:

Yep. The franchise could use some more profane nightmares..... :P 

I love the fact that Giger came up with the idea of 'appeasing' Catholics by combining a cross with a vulva. They must have been so relieved.

Quote from: Gash on Mar 27, 2013, 07:30:28 PM
I love the fact that Giger came up with the idea of 'appeasing' Catholics by combining a cross with a vulva. They must have been so relieved.

I love how Lindelof decided to write Shaw as a near 22nd century Christian.

I really hope this gets off the ground. And more importantly, I hope it gets done well. The first film opened up a large can of worms; I hope they figure out what to do with them.

The report seems kinda bogus.

The ending of the Spaihts draft already hinted at a direct sequel, unconnected to Alien. (generating tons of continuity problems... at least Lindelof cleaned that up)

Quote from: Blacklabel on Mar 27, 2013, 09:58:55 PM
The report seems kinda bogus.

The ending of the Spaihts draft already hinted at a direct sequel, unconnected to Alien. (generating tons of continuity problems... at least Lindelof cleaned that up)

I haven't read that script...what was the ending?

I'm so heartbroken at this.

Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 27, 2013, 10:07:26 PM

Quote from: Blacklabel on Mar 27, 2013, 09:58:55 PM
The report seems kinda bogus.

The ending of the Spaihts draft already hinted at a direct sequel, unconnected to Alien. (generating tons of continuity problems... at least Lindelof cleaned that up)

I haven't read that script...what was the ending?

It takes place in LV-426. David and "Watts"(Spaihts early version of Shaw) are stranded on the planet after killing the "Ultramorph" that popped out of the Space Jockey in his seat... there are tons of pyramids spread across the planet that light up at the end send a signal to the universe. Somehow, the colonists in Aliens never seemed to notice these pyramids (they hadnt noticed the derelict either till Burke sent them the coordinates). :P But despite the HUGE amounts of continuity problems this would raise, i enjoyed most of the script. Presumably, most "problems" raised by the end of that script would have been solved in the sequel. :P 

What a colossal f**k up.

Quote from: Blacklabel on Mar 27, 2013, 09:58:55 PMThe ending of the Spaihts draft already hinted at a direct sequel

Yeah but Spaihts' story only hinted at a possible sequel. Lindelof's story outright demands one.

Damon Lindelof provides an update:

QuoteUPDATE: Damon Lindelof was contacted by SlashFilm for comment. He provided a long email detailing his feelings on where the sequel stands, including the fact that he doubts Ridley Scott has ever freaked out in his life. Follow the link for the full email, but here is a snippet:

"As to whether Ridley and Fox are "freaking out" about me not working on a sequel, well that's news to me. I retain awesome relationships with both. More importantly, the idea that there aren't many, MANY writers out there capable of taking the reins is sort of ridiculous. I did not map out a trilogy and then walk when the going got tough. Anyone who says otherwise doesn't know me and doesn't know the truth."

Lindelof and Scott may not be the ones freaking out, but Fox execs may be as they try to keep a 2014 release date within their sights.

http://www.joblo.com/movie-news/ridley-scott-and-fox-are-freaking-out-about-the-state-of-prometheus-2 (http://www.joblo.com/movie-news/ridley-scott-and-fox-are-freaking-out-about-the-state-of-prometheus-2)

Well, if I was given the opportunity I have an idea that would blow people's minds, and it would be possible to make for under $10,000,000. (Too cocky?)

Vote for me. ;)

Quote from: Alien³ on Mar 27, 2013, 11:29:35 PM
Well, if I was given the opportunity I have an idea that would blow people's minds, and it would be possible to make for under $10,000,000. (Too cocky?)

Will it? Will it really?

I have to wonder what's with film makers/games developers/whoever always wanting to show the homeplanets of the Jockey, Aliens or Predators? I'm sure there's been a few scripts floating about teasing at the idea (not to mention AvP:R) and a few games teasing at the idea too.

Surely leaving an air of mystery would be better.

Quote from: Cvalda on Mar 27, 2013, 11:44:24 PM

Quote from: Alien³ on Mar 27, 2013, 11:29:35 PM
Well, if I was given the opportunity I have an idea that would blow people's minds, and it would be possible to make for under $10,000,000. (Too cocky?)

Will it? Will it really?

You'd love it 8)

Quote from: Alien³ on Mar 27, 2013, 11:55:41 PM
You'd love it 8)

Wanna bet? ;D

Quote from: livin_target on Mar 27, 2013, 11:48:39 PM
Surely leaving an air of mystery would be better.

Yep. We should have never have had a description of Cthulhu.. or of the city in Mountains of Madness...

We also should have never seen the ghosts inside the Arc of the Covenant at the end of Indiana Jones. The screen should have gone black as soon as Indy closes his eyes.

let's leave everything to the imagination! :P

QuoteDavid Weyland:
Perhaps the ongoing story of #Prometheus and @David8Weyland will not be told. The writer of the next chapter has left the project.

http://www.facebook.com/David8Weyland (http://www.facebook.com/David8Weyland)

Peter Briggs told me on Facebook that he was going to do a pitch for sequel. If anyone here is friends with him on facebook you should know he hates Prometheus with a passion. He said his idea would've fixed things. But I guess it didn't work out.

Quote from: LarsVader on Mar 28, 2013, 12:46:10 AM

QuoteDavid Weyland:
Perhaps the ongoing story of #Prometheus and @David8Weyland will not be told. The writer of the next chapter has left the project.

http://www.facebook.com/David8Weyland (http://www.facebook.com/David8Weyland)

And how does this tiny and relatively unknown facebook page get to release behind the scenes information? :P

Quote from: livin_target on Mar 27, 2013, 11:48:39 PM
I have to wonder what's with film makers/games developers/whoever always wanting to show the homeplanets of the Jockey, Aliens or Predators? I'm sure there's been a few scripts floating about teasing at the idea (not to mention AvP:R) and a few games teasing at the idea too.

Surely leaving an air of mystery would be better.

I agree. I feel like ending any story with "...and then we'll go to the home planet" is a shot in the foot for a sequel. Home planets take millions and millions of dollars to generate!

Also, I think it would be extremely difficult for Prometheus 2 to have any Horror elements on an Engineer home world.

Quote from: Blacklabel on Mar 28, 2013, 01:03:01 AM

Quote from: LarsVader on Mar 28, 2013, 12:46:10 AM

QuoteDavid Weyland:
Perhaps the ongoing story of #Prometheus and @David8Weyland will not be told. The writer of the next chapter has left the project.

http://www.facebook.com/David8Weyland (http://www.facebook.com/David8Weyland)

And how does this tiny and relatively unknown facebook page get to release behind the scenes information? :P

I guess it is run by the same Fox/media people who are doing the rest of the Prometheus social media stuff like the David twitter account.

Quote from: Blacklabel on Mar 28, 2013, 12:25:46 AM

Quote from: livin_target on Mar 27, 2013, 11:48:39 PM
Surely leaving an air of mystery would be better.

let's leave everything to the imagination! :P

if anyone thinks i'm being serious.. you were dropped as a little kid.

I'll have you know that my mother had slippy hands!

But I don't know. I'll admit I know next to nothing about Cthlulhu but Lost Ark had a defined and well planned beginning, middle and end culminating in the reveal of what was actually in the Ark.

If you want to play it the other way, we could talk about how revealing Darth Vader's childhood was a mistake, or why a few Thing fans were a bit annoyed by the prequel. I don't doubt that it can be done well- Godfather 2 showed successfully the rise of the famous Don- but I just doubt the minds behind the scenes to give us something which lives up to expectations. Prometheus was another example where opinions were mixed- I'm sure you'll know that some felt disappointed by the more human appearance of the Jockey when Alien promised something a lot more... alien.

Yeah, it's a matter of leaving these things to talented hands. By the time Lucas made the prequels he was merely a has-been, riding on the talents of others.

Del Toro is one guy who i'd like to see handling the Alien films.. but the guy already has 123214214 things to do.

I wish B-D had bothered with the basic facts and research all of us knew 3 or 4 years ago before running another bog-standard, supercilious geek aggro piece. But I forgot - when you're on the Internet, you only call yourselves 'journalists' when you want to impress your mom. When standards are on the line, everybody calls themselves "just geeks who love movies!"

It was well known way back when the film had no name and was in development that Scott and Spaihts had planned at least two or three films. Spaihts has backed that up. And I honestly felt the work DL did on it improved and expanded the universe Spaihts had built the superstructure for.

Another day, another lame attempt at Internet journalism. Either way, I look forward to the sequel.

B-B-B-B-BBBBut I thought Lindelof had all the answers??  Surely he wouldn't write a film claiming and teasing that "we will get answers"...but be untruthful.  NAAAAAHHHHHHHH

::)

What a douchebag. Seriously. :D

I am but a simple man, who speaks Truths.

Now let me make a prediction.  Lindelof will release some lame-ass statement that he, in fact, has it all planned out, and that there has been a big misunderstanding with Fox and Scott.

Quote from: Cvalda on Mar 28, 2013, 12:00:50 AM

Quote from: Alien³ on Mar 27, 2013, 11:55:41 PM
You'd love it 8)

Wanna bet? ;D

Now, kiss.

Just kidding=P But, seriously, Alien3 -- let's see it!

Oh looky here...

I was right.

Lindelof has commented (or his Publicist has).  From /Film, via Collider:

Quote"As to whether Ridley and Fox are 'freaking out' about me not working on a sequel, well that's news to me. I retain awesome relationships with both. More importantly, the idea that there aren't many, MANY writers out there capable of taking the reins is sort of ridiculous. I did not map out a trilogy and then walk when the going got tough. Anyone who says otherwise doesn't know me and doesn't know the truth."

The reality is that Spaihts and Ridley had planned out two or three films well before Lindelof was brought on. We all knew that and it's been affirmed by Spaihts with the recent home video release.

Their premise was that Lindelof was the one who wanted sequels and left it open, when that was an aim of Fox's and Ridley's from the outset. It was a pretty thin, poorly researched excuse for B-D to do a bash piece on one of the very few things, IMO that is, that Lindelof can't be bashed much for.

Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Mar 28, 2013, 04:09:51 AM
The reality is that Spaihts and Ridley had planned out two or three films well before Lindelof was brought on. We all knew that and it's been affirmed by Spaihts with the recent home video release.

Their premise was that Lindelof was the one who wanted sequels and left it open, when that was an aim of Fox's and Ridley's from the outset. It was a pretty thin, poorly researched excuse for B-D to do a bash piece on one of the very few things, IMO that is, that Lindelof can't be bashed much for.

I am not arguing...but if sequels were planned from the beginning, how could Ridley/Fox not discuss "where do we go from here", on some fundamental level, with Lindelof, before Prometheus was even finished?  Wouldn't they want a synopsis or brief treatment of the story to follow Prometheus?  Something is not adding up, here.  And using Occam's Razor, as well as past examples of work by Lindelof, I think there was little to no thought put towards resolving questions from Prometheus.

...just my opinion, of course.

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Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Mar 28, 2013, 04:09:51 AM
The reality is that Spaihts and Ridley had planned out two or three films well before Lindelof was brought on. We all knew that and it's been affirmed by Spaihts with the recent home video release.

Their premise was that Lindelof was the one who wanted sequels and left it open, when that was an aim of Fox's and Ridley's from the outset. It was a pretty thin, poorly researched excuse for B-D to do a bash piece on one of the very few things, IMO that is, that Lindelof can't be bashed much for.

I am not arguing...but if sequels were planned from the beginning, how could Ridley/Fox not discuss "where do we go from here", on some fundamental level, with Lindelof, before Prometheus was even finished?

Oh, I'm sure they at least discussed it. And I'm sure that one part of the initial story that's accurate is that Fox had perhaps hoped to keep Lindelof onboard for a sequel, but with him gone they are now entertaining pitches while likely keeping some of Lindelof or Scott's (or even Spaihts') ideas in mind. But my point was that the rest of their article - sans the fanboy editorializing - was inaccurate. Any AVPGalaxy member worth their salt could've fact checked them in five seconds. But harnessing geek agita by sexing it up as "Fox in out of control tailspin over Devil Lindelof departure on godless Prometheus 2" has a better hit rate for them.

This is an odd one as it seems any scriptwriter worth their salt could come up with a myriad of ideas for a sequel... Prometheus opened up several avenues that could be explored... be it the engineer home world, rescue mission for the Prometheus or something else Shaw and David encounter en route. Perhaps it's not the accesibility of a sequel that's causing them consternation, but how they actually create a franchise for multiple films beyond Prometheus.

Quote from: Cvalda on Mar 27, 2013, 06:42:35 PM
I just find that kind of overblown fantasy mythology totally incongruous to the original film, and reaching into space opera, which Alien never was and never should be (you've already got your Star Wars and Star Treks for that, can we not have one sci-fi series that is gritty, harsh and realistic?).

This x 10000.

I'd rather not see an Engineer homeworld or really any escalation of the crazy, cheap-TV-style, sci-fi fantasy bullshit that Prometheus dropped on us with the Engineers. This franchise is better suited to gritty depression and despair. Bringing the whole Prometheus arc into the story is quite tricky, whether it's one film, two films or a trilogy since Alien was such an interesting starting point for the overall story. It had a wonderful mystery with the ancient crashed ship that needed no further exploration for it would destroy the essence of what makes it so alien. Prometheus has not only stripped that mystery but filled the knowledge gap with one of the worst concepts the franchise has seen. Now it's been said around here numerous times, by myself included, that there is possible ways around it by having the Engineers and Space Jockeys be seperate thing etc. etc. so that needs no further discussion here.

So... how can the Alien trilogy ( ;) ) retain its integrity while being connected to the 'grander' Prometheus films?


CVALDA, have you wrote a screenplay sequel or something? Sorry I haven't seen anything and everyone is telling you to pitch to Scott Free. I'd love to have a look if you have though!

Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Mar 28, 2013, 05:04:26 AMBut harnessing geek agita by sexing it up as "Fox in out of control tailspin over Devil Lindelof departure on godless Prometheus 2" has a better hit rate for them.

True, Lindelof jumping ship isn't news - we've known about that for months. If anything it's just further confirmation that Scott is forging ahead.

I guess the haven't found anybody with an eleven foot pole yet.

I've already started on concept designs for Prometheus 2 and have begun writing.

I wish I knew how to approach this so I could at least be on Fox's radar. Any help?

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi45.tinypic.com%2F2dslgds.jpg&hash=87e67b2c63e97c95edfd271d55a048efc16ecbba)

There are parts of that artwork I really like, but every time I see it I think of this:

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Also here's a pre-emptive apology: sorry.

I went into Scott Free Productions office today to find out more information, had a lovely chat with the receptionist who informed me (to no surprise) that my screenplay would need to be submitted by an agent. I'm well aware that it takes a lot of time and effort to get an agent, not to mention they're rarely listening, so for now that's my goal.

How to get an agent ASAP. :-\

Good Luck on this long journey you're taking.

Can't say I'm positive of your chances at all but I've got to love a trier. And who knows what'll happen!

I completely understand that my chances are low but when opportunity knocks...

Quote from: Alien³ on Mar 28, 2013, 02:35:47 PM
I went into Scott Free Productions office today to find out more information, had a lovely chat with the receptionist who informed me (to no surprise) that my screenplay would need to be submitted by an agent. I'm well aware that it takes a lot of time and effort to get an agent, not to mention they're rarely listening, so for now that's my goal.

How to get an agent ASAP. :-\

I think it involves drawing a pentagram on the floor, some arcane rights, and lots of goat blood.  Or is that for summoning a lawyer?
;)

Good luck Alien3! (not being sarcastic btw.)

Thank you!

Just to state (and to sound overconfident) if my idea was ever brought to the big screen it would redeem Prometheus and bring the franchise back to its former glory.

Quote from: irn on Mar 28, 2013, 07:50:50 AM
CVALDA, have you wrote a screenplay sequel or something? Sorry I haven't seen anything and everyone is telling you to pitch to Scott Free. I'd love to have a look if you have though!

I don't do fan fiction, alas.

Quote from: Alien³ on Mar 27, 2013, 11:29:35 PM
Well, if I was given the opportunity I have an idea that would blow people's minds, and it would be possible to make for under $10,000,000. (Too cocky?)

Vote for me. ;)

Michael's, Noomi's Ridley's salaries together (or each) are already ten million I fear  :-[

I've got a few questions for you, Alien³, no offense.. How many screenplays have you already written? Where are you from? Do you work in the film industry or do you know someone who does?

Quote from: Alien³ on Mar 28, 2013, 03:30:33 PM
Just to state (and to sound overconfident) if my idea was ever brought to the big screen it would redeem Prometheus and bring the franchise back to its former glory.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SmallNameBigEgo (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SmallNameBigEgo)

Well I'm a self-published author, written several screenplays for fun but nothing I've taken overly seriously. I live in the UK, I don't work in the film industry (yet), and yep I know some people in the industry already.

Who's to say the cast from the first film would need to come back? Their story can be progressed without them being on screen. It's all about how you present it.

Spoiler

Thanks Cvalda. Maybe we should write together?

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Quote from: Alien³ on Mar 28, 2013, 02:35:47 PM
I went into Scott Free Productions office today to find out more information, had a lovely chat with the receptionist who informed me (to no surprise) that my screenplay would need to be submitted by an agent. I'm well aware that it takes a lot of time and effort to get an agent, not to mention they're rarely listening, so for now that's my goal.

How to get an agent ASAP. :-\

I wish you the best of luck.

Nah you just need to retcon it all and have the Derelict Pilot be an actual alien thing -- and the Engineers just a highly advanced race of ancient humans who 'detached' themselves from the other 'tribes' early on in some way.

Won't fix the other problems of Prometheus but it'll get the series back on track.

Quote from: Alien³ on Mar 28, 2013, 04:10:19 PM
Thanks Cvalda. Maybe we should write together?

I don't want to spoil your vision.

I will try my hardest to get an agent ASAP, but after talking to receptionist its horrible to think if I had one now I could have the screenplay on Scott Free Productions desk by next week. That's how she described it anyway.

Silly agents. Some if them you need an agent to get an agent. What a world we live in.

Quote from: Alien³ on Mar 28, 2013, 04:10:19 PM
Well I'm a self-published author, written several screenplays for fun but nothing I've taken overly seriously. I live in the UK, I don't work in the film industry (yet), and yep I know some people in the industry already.

Who's to say the cast from the first film would need to come back? Their story can be progressed without them being on screen. It's all about how you present it.

Spoiler

Thanks Cvalda. Maybe we should write together?

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That sounds good :)

Good luck ;)

You're not going to get an agent submitting a franchise spec script, btw. They'll throw it in the the trash without looking at it. You've got to submit one of your original specs with a nice cover letter and synopsis (properly written to industry standard), and even then you will likely need a referral from someone "known", because most agencies refuse to look at anything without one.

Yep, I've read all about how it works. ;)

In no way am I delusional enough to think I have a chance.

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I'm sure you'd pull off something better than what we'll end up getting anyway.

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Don't worry, Omega -- we won't be getting anything at all ;)

Thank you, Development Hell <3

Thank you Omega. :-*

Quote from: Cvalda on Mar 28, 2013, 05:11:50 PM
Don't worry, Omega -- we won't be getting anything at all ;)

Let's hope.

Quote from: Alien³ on Mar 28, 2013, 05:15:35 PM
Thank you Omega. :-*

8)

Skip the receptionist. Camp in front of the building. Wait for Ridleys limo.

There's always a way...

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Or just leave my screenplay laying on the waiting room table. :P

Or go the Thomas brothers way. Slip the script under a door.

Interesting... ::)

Hey. It worked for Predator!

Obviously you are not alone in this game:  :D
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Of course but I can only try.

Hire someone off the street to be your agent, and have him slip the script under the door :P

Just get a mate to do it. ;D

The first thing you do with shit like this is find someone you know with an in.

Then you don't tell the Internet.

Internet? What's this internet you speak of?

Walk in with a moustache and glasses and say you're the guy from yesterdays agent.

"Baldrick, I have a cunning plan..."

Quote from: echobbase79 on Mar 28, 2013, 12:46:51 AM
Peter Briggs told me on Facebook that he was going to do a pitch for sequel. If anyone here is friends with him on facebook you should know he hates Prometheus with a passion. He said his idea would've fixed things. But I guess it didn't work out.

The last thing the series needs is someone doing a sequel because he hated the first movie. That kind of attitude going in can only poison the finished product.

just fini my prom2 script

it involve lot of booble and explode.

Quote from: Space Sweeper on Mar 28, 2013, 10:20:14 PM
just fini my prom2 script

it involve lot of booble and explode.

Anybody else just tune into white noise when they hear someone say "I didn't like the last movie so I'm going to fix it"? Anyone?

We didnt like Alien3.. so we are going to make it a better movie!

That went well.  :laugh:

Quote from: CONKERSBADFURDAY on Mar 28, 2013, 10:14:55 PM
The last thing the series needs is someone doing a sequel because he hated the first movie. That kind of attitude going in can only poison the finished product.

This is very true. Perhaps the sequel should be less of a direct follow up to Prometheus. Like go down its own path but in someway be related to events of the first film and then tie up the connections and correct the wrongs of Prometheus in a third or even forth film. Basically 'fix Prometheus' over a gradual, more drawn out period rather than a BISH BASH BOSH film that just spends its time fixing the first rather than being its own beast.

Quote from: OmegaZilla on Mar 28, 2013, 04:25:07 PMNah you just need to retcon it all and have the Derelict Pilot be an actual alien thing -- and the Engineers just a highly advanced race of ancient humans who 'detached' themselves from the other 'tribes' early on in some way.

So much this.

 :-X

Quote from: ChrisPachi on Mar 29, 2013, 01:21:35 AM

Quote from: OmegaZilla on Mar 28, 2013, 04:25:07 PMNah you just need to retcon it all and have the Derelict Pilot be an actual alien thing -- and the Engineers just a highly advanced race of ancient humans who 'detached' themselves from the other 'tribes' early on in some way.

So much this.

I concur. As much as it feels like grasping at straws at this point, it's a simple way to retcon the retcon. It's also the direction I plan on heading in the Alien RPG campaign I'm running for my friends. At least it's the best of both worlds, as it were.

Well, I may as well tell you guys first.  One of my contacts in London knows someone at Scott Free (not Ridley, alas -- he might remember me from our unfortunate meeting last Spring), and has agreed to pass along my spec script for Prometheus 2. Here's a taste:

Spoiler

EXT.  SPACE

The stars:  endless and infinite.

Something approaches. Growing nearer.

A SHIP -- one of the vessels created by the race of beings called ENGINEERS.


INT. ENGINEER SHIP [CORRIDOR]

Shadowy corridors -- looks less like the inside of a piece of space-faring technology than the inside of some great, ancient beast.

Nothing moves.  Nothing makes a sound.

THEN --

Movement.

Something is in the shadows, keeping close to the bony walls.  It steps out into the light -- a grey Engineer's robe draped around a small figure's frame.

The hood falls back to reveal a head of unruly reddish hair.

ELIZABETH SHAW looks up to the ceiling, at the source of the light:  a kind of glowing, white globule.  Another strange artifact of the Engineers.

She taps a button affixed to the robe.

SHAW
David, can you hear me?

A sourceless com crackles to life.

DAVID (V.O.)
Yes, Elizabeth.  I can hear you.

SHAW
This wing is clear.  Nothing we can use.  I'm going to press on.

INT. COCKPIT


David rests in the mighty Space Jockey chair, an immense holographic star map whirring around him.

DAVID
I think it better that you return.  You doubtless need rest.  You've eaten nothing since departure.  I do take care to monitor these things, you know.

INT. ENGINEER SHIP [CORRIDOR]

Shaw rolls her eyes, but she can't suppress the hint of an affectionate smile.

SHAW
So it seems.

DAVID (V.O.)
Are you returning then?

SHAW
One more corridor.  I'm already at the junction.

DAVID (V.O.)
I'll be standing by.  Be careful, Elizabeth.

Shaw peers down the next corridor.  The overhead lights seem to dim and eventually cease the further down it goes.

She presses on.  Like the rest of the ship, this wing is spotless, dust-free.  Depressingly empty -- an enormous, floating tomb.

A SOUND.

Shaw stops.  Listens.

Nothing. 

She continues on.

ANOTHER SOUND.  She heard it for certain this time.  Shaw scans the corridor, getting nervous.

SHE SEES IT.  Standing directly ahead, half-shrouded in darkness between the lights overhead.  Its milky blue skin catches the light as its tall, pointed head advances.

SHAW
David!

THE THING LUNGES -- tearing toward Shaw with ferocious speed, clawed talons out, scratching at the air --

SHAW
DAVID, HELP ME!

She turns to run, but it's already almost upon her --

DAVID (V.O.)
It's alright, Doctor Shaw.  Remain calm.

THE BEAST GRABS HER.

SHAW
NOOOOOOOOOO----------

SMASH CUT TO:

INT. PROMETHEUS [CRYO-CHAMBER]

SHAW
--OOOOOOOOOOOOO!

She bolts up from her cryotube, shaking like mad.  David places a towel about her shoulders.

DAVID
As I was saying, everything is alright, Doctor Shaw.  You were having a terrible dream.  A common side effect of the stasis.

SHAW
A -- a dream?!  All of it?

DAVID
Yes.  Every awful, drearily cliched, derivative second of it.

SHAW
Oh, thank God!  Where's Charlie?

DAVID
I'm sorry, Doctor Shaw.  He didn't make it.  He was completely crushed by a safety support.  Strange freak accident.  Unfortunately, I think he died in terrible, prolonged agony.  I've been throwing the pieces of him that are left down the space toilet.  I hope you don't mind.

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David, you cruel bastard. :laugh:

Quote from: Cvalda on Mar 29, 2013, 02:37:11 AM

Was your mind blown? Fingers crossed, guys. :-[

Not particularly; no.

Quote from: CONKERSBADFURDAY on Mar 29, 2013, 03:25:10 AM

Quote from: Cvalda on Mar 29, 2013, 02:37:11 AM

Was your mind blown? Fingers crossed, guys. :-[

Not particularly; no.

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Needs more tapir.

Quote from: Cvalda on Mar 29, 2013, 02:37:11 AM
Well, I may as well tell you guys first.  One of my contacts in London knows someone at Scott Free (not Ridley, alas -- he might remember me from our unfortunate meeting last Spring), and has agreed to pass along my spec script for Prometheus 2. Here's a taste:

Spoiler

EXT.  SPACE

The stars:  endless and infinite.

Something approaches. Growing nearer.

A SHIP -- one of the vessels created by the race of beings called ENGINEERS.


INT. ENGINEER SHIP [CORRIDOR]

Shadowy corridors -- looks less like the inside of a piece of space-faring technology than the inside of some great, ancient beast.

Nothing moves.  Nothing makes a sound.

THEN --

Movement.

Something is in the shadows, keeping close to the bony walls.  It steps out into the light -- a grey Engineer's robe draped around a small figure's frame.

The hood falls back to reveal a head of unruly reddish hair.

ELIZABETH SHAW looks up to the ceiling, at the source of the light:  a kind of glowing, white globule.  Another strange artifact of the Engineers.

She taps a button affixed to the robe.

SHAW
David, can you hear me?

A sourceless com crackles to life.

DAVID (V.O.)
Yes, Elizabeth.  I can hear you.

SHAW
This wing is clear.  Nothing we can use.  I'm going to press on.

INT. COCKPIT


David rests in the mighty Space Jockey chair, an immense holographic star map whirring around him.

DAVID
I think it better that you return.  You doubtless need rest.  You've eaten nothing since departure.  I do take care to monitor these things, you know.

INT. ENGINEER SHIP [CORRIDOR]

Shaw rolls her eyes, but she can't suppress the hint of an affectionate smile.

SHAW
So it seems.

DAVID (V.O.)
Are you returning then?

SHAW
One more corridor.  I'm already at the junction.

DAVID (V.O.)
I'll be standing by.  Be careful, Elizabeth.

Shaw peers down the next corridor.  The overhead lights seem to dim and eventually cease the further down it goes.

She presses on.  Like the rest of the ship, this wing is spotless, dust-free.  Depressingly empty -- an enormous, floating tomb.

A SOUND.

Shaw stops.  Listens.

Nothing. 

She continues on.

ANOTHER SOUND.  She heard it for certain this time.  Shaw scans the corridor, getting nervous.

SHE SEES IT.  Standing directly ahead, half-shrouded in darkness between the lights overhead.  Its milky blue skin catches the light as its tall, pointed head advances.

SHAW
David!

THE THING LUNGES -- tearing toward Shaw with ferocious speed, clawed talons out, scratching at the air --

SHAW
DAVID, HELP ME!

She turns to run, but it's already almost upon her --

DAVID (V.O.)
It's alright, Doctor Shaw.  Remain calm.

THE BEAST GRABS HER.

SHAW
NOOOOOOOOOO----------

SMASH CUT TO:

INT. PROMETHEUS [CRYO-CHAMBER]

SHAW
--OOOOOOOOOOOOO!

She bolts up from her cryotube, shaking like mad.  David places a towel about her shoulders.

DAVID
As I was saying, everything is alright, Doctor Shaw.  You were having a terrible dream.  A common side effect of the stasis.

SHAW
A -- a dream?!  All of it?

DAVID
Yes.  Every awful, drearily cliched, derivative second of it.

SHAW
Oh, thank God!  Where's Charlie?

DAVID
I'm sorry, Doctor Shaw.  He didn't make it.  He was completely crushed by a safety support.  Strange freak accident.  Unfortunately, I think he died in terrible, prolonged agony.  I've been throwing the pieces of him that are left down the space toilet.  I hope you don't mind.

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Was your mind blown? Fingers crossed, guys. :-[

SEND THIS TO THEM!!!

:laugh:

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That atmosphere you were hinting at in Shaw's dream is something I'm hoping to see in the sequel (minus the slasher flick bit). But I fear it won't be an intense exploration only involving Shaw and David. They will find a way to involve a whole new crew and it will probably be another missed opportunity at creating something intense and grand in scale.

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Quote from: Vickers on Mar 29, 2013, 04:18:49 AM
...They will find a way to involve a whole new crew...

While its a bit 'Star Treky', I still think it'd make more sense if any other 'human' contact Shaw and David have during the film doesn't come from Earth or any Earth-based colony, but rather an entirely different planet also seeded by the Engineers.

Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 29, 2013, 04:21:25 AM
While its a bit 'Star Treky', I still think it'd make more sense if any other 'human' contact Shaw and David have during the film doesn't come from Earth or any Earth-based colony, but rather an entirely different planet also seeded by the Engineers.

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Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 29, 2013, 04:21:25 AM
While its a bit 'Star Treky', I still think it'd make more sense if any other 'human' contact Shaw and David have during the film doesn't come from Earth or any Earth-based colony, but rather an entirely different planet also seeded by the Engineers.

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Before you pull the trigger, at least take into consideration that they could be a bit biomechanical or, uhhh, something...

Yeah, I got nothin'.

Just gimmie a tapir in the sequel, dammit.

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Quote from: Cvalda on Mar 29, 2013, 02:37:11 AM
Yes.  Every awful, drearily cliched, derivative second of it.

:laugh:

At least this movie is moving for once unlike Predators 2  ::). Good to see that Fox is trying to get a sequel to happen soon. I bet 2016 could be possible since 2014 is too soon and 2015 has too many major films coming out.

There is no hope for this movie...

Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 29, 2013, 04:32:31 AMJust gimmie a tapir in the sequel, dammit.

Dude, be thankful. Those things are terrifying.

Quote from: ChrisPachi on Mar 29, 2013, 01:17:02 PM
Dude, be thankful. Those things are terrifying.

I'm never gonna see a tapir...

Quote from: ChrisPachi on Mar 29, 2013, 01:17:02 PM

Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 29, 2013, 04:32:31 AMJust gimmie a tapir in the sequel, dammit.

Dude, be thankful. Those things are terrifying.

Oh yeah, they are...
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Quote from: ChrisPachi on Mar 29, 2013, 01:17:02 PM
Dude, be thankful. Those things are terrifying.

I'm never gonna see a tapir...

The cleanup on them's a nightmare.

Structurally my mind visualizes the Prometheus sequel (as the continuing adventures of Shaw and David) as a much MUCH different kind of film than either Alien or Prometheus. I can see it being very difficult selling a film where the first 25 minutes are spent fleshing out how a human and a robot co-exist on an alien spacecraft in route to destination unknown.

The situation lends itself to being more cerebral with all sorts of messy emotional implications including but not limited to human/robot sexual deviations. (The actors themselves are no strangers to stressful, tense, even awkward sexual scenes.)

You've lost a bunch of the audience already ... but the remaining hour and a half should be a dissent into bio-mechanical madness. A sort of H.R. Giger fever dream that borderlines on the obscene but still clings to it's spiritual thread from Prometheus.

I don't want to see Avatar with Engineers. Or Aliens vs Predators Engineers. But I can see how in the wrong hands something like that could get the go ahead to grab that cash.

BCP make this movie.

...Things already veered off into space opera with Prometheus... might as well go all the way and do it properly in the sequel instead of delving back into unimaginative 1 Aliun vs a group of peoplez! Killing them off one by one.

yawn. :P

This film will either deliver an awesomely insane Giger nightmare.. or it will be a f**king failure of imagination. :P

And they better get Giger or Carlos Huante involved at an early stage... otherwise.. ugh. :P

Quote from: Blacklabel on Mar 29, 2013, 06:12:26 PM
And they better get Giger or Carlos Huante involved at an early stage

Agreed. And once they get them on, KEEP THEM ON.

I really dont understand why Ridley got in contact with Giger too late in production.

Stupid.

Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 29, 2013, 05:43:32 PM
BCP make this movie.

One at a time!  :laugh:

Quote from: Blacklabel on Mar 29, 2013, 06:12:26 PM
And they better get Giger or Carlos Huante involved at an early stage... otherwise.. ugh. :P

If I were in charge they'd already be involved. Before the script. I'd pay them to stay on throughout production. If the studio is having problems finding writers that can spin a yarn ... then get some great creature and environmental concepts out there to inspire them. Let THOSE be the seeds that grow the story. Hell ... pay a great composer to come up with a few atmospheric tracks for someone to write to. Feed that creative process!!

Not having cash has always been the great inhibitor for me. For what these guys spend on catering for a week could get an creatively unbridled project out of my head and onto paper at least.

They are going through a lot of writers because they are looking to do the cheapest version.
The first movie made some cash but it survived on Ridley coming back home to an Alien movie. After the audience saw the results..... that hype isn't there anymore so pretty sure the studio is being extremely careful this time around.

Quote from: DaddyYautja on Mar 29, 2013, 07:21:09 PM
After audience saw the results..... that hype isn't there anymore so pretty sure the studio is being extremely careful this time around.

Exactly. For the sequel to make any money it does have to be actually good. The initial press screenings would need to confirm it in their reviews before a sceptical public pay for a ticket.

Quote from: Cvalda on Mar 29, 2013, 03:29:39 AM

Quote from: CONKERSBADFURDAY on Mar 29, 2013, 03:25:10 AM

Quote from: Cvalda on Mar 29, 2013, 02:37:11 AM

Was your mind blown? Fingers crossed, guys. :-[

Not particularly; no.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-KmPNqzYyohE/TajppZuWUbI/AAAAAAAAAl4/R8P5Oc5-PX0/s400/toodeepforyou.jpg

If only if only :(

Quote from: Blacklabel on Mar 29, 2013, 06:12:26 PM
...Things already veered off into space opera with Prometheus... might as well go all the way and do it properly in the sequel instead of delving back into unimaginative 1 Aliun vs a group of peoplez! Killing them off one by one.

yawn. :P

This film will either deliver an awesomely insane Giger nightmare.. or it will be a f**king failure of imagination. :P

You can dial the sub-genre nob down from "Space Opera" without jumping straight to "Contrived Sci-fi Slasher Flick". I'm in the school of thought that I don't want this to turn into just an R-rated, twisted Star Wars, or Mass Effect.

Quote from: DaddyYautja on Mar 29, 2013, 07:21:09 PM
They are going through a lot of writers because they are looking to do the cheapest version. The first movie made some cash but it survived on Ridley coming back home to an Alien movie. After the audience saw the results..... that hype isn't there anymore so pretty sure the studio is being extremely careful this time around.

Well...this automatically gets my vote of confidence.   ::)

I don't know how much cheaper you can get than a non-Hollywood, unpublished screenwriter (Spaihts).  Of course, in that case, it might have actually turned out somewhat okay.  Unfortunately, Lindelof was brought in to screw things up royally (my opinion...save your hate mail).

Now, unless FOX wishes to deny the existence of Prometheus, and start over...we are stuck with the fact that we need a franchise savior to write us out of the existing mess, and deliver a script worthy of the Alien franchise.

Quote from: Deuterium on Mar 30, 2013, 03:34:20 AM
Now, unless FOX wishes to deny the existence of Prometheus, and start over...we are stuck with the fact that we need a franchise savior to write us out of the existing mess, and deliver a script worthy of the Alien franchise.

The problem is that this movie isn't an Alien movie or within the franchise. It shares a continuity with the Alien universe, but it isn't an Alien movie.

So there isn't any mess to write out of, there's simply a story to continue making.

Fox and Scott both want it to be an "Alien" movie...except when they don't want it to be an "Alien" movie.

Quote from: Deuterium on Mar 30, 2013, 05:29:03 AM
Fox and Scott both want it to be an "Alien" movie...except when they don't want it to be an "Alien" movie.

Ha. I suppose that's true though. I guess I just picked one side of the fence since flipflopping is annoying, so in my eyes it isn't an Alien movie.

I think the real question is weather they want the sequel to be an Alien movie or not. Scott has said this will be its own thing and branch off in other directions, but I wonder where these directions will go. I mean, is it possible the Prometheus 2 won't even be a horror film but something else?

Prometheus 2 shouldn't be limited to just a horror movie. It should be about exploration and discovery -- every side of it. The mystery, the excitement, the terror, the wonder, the horror; it should all be in there.

Quote from: Deuterium on Mar 30, 2013, 03:34:20 AM


Well...this automatically gets my vote of confidence.   ::)

I don't know how much cheaper you can get than a non-Hollywood, unpublished screenwriter (Spaihts).  Of course, in that case, it might have actually turned out somewhat okay.  Unfortunately, Lindelof was brought in to screw things up royally (my opinion...save your hate mail).

Now, unless FOX wishes to deny the existence of Prometheus, and start over...we are stuck with the fact that we need a franchise savior to write us out of the existing mess, and deliver a script worthy of the Alien franchise.

When i said cheapest version i meant the movie, not how much they pay the screenwriter.
When a writer pitches an idea the idea itself has some sort of proposed budget suggested.
For example; if you write a scene where there is some sort of Jock war with thousands of Jocks and there are some Jock Tanks, and Jock Walkers, and Jock battle ship, etc, etc. That gets looked at and a price get dropped on how much it would take to shoot a scene. If it's too much then that scene would get rewritten in a way that is cheaper to film and so on.

So i think they are going through a whole mess of a writers because they are looking for a story that looks to be the cheapest movie to produce. Because i hardly think that people are afraid to get their hands into an alien flick, no matter how crazy this turned out, and the movie studio has to now look through edges of screenwriterdom to look for people who would want to write a sequel.

Quote from: TheChazmoch on Mar 30, 2013, 02:08:02 PM
Prometheus 2 shouldn't be limited to just a horror movie. It should be about exploration and discovery -- every side of it. The mystery, the excitement, the terror, the wonder, the horror; it should all be in there.

I 100% agree.

There are so many possibilities when it comes to this sequel, but I'm afraid something is going to go wrong. Can Ridley get away with releasing another movie like Prometheus? I loved it, but clearly the audience is divided. I wonder how that will factor into what is being made.

Really don't know what we'll get.

They need a younger, ballsier director for sure.

Ridley ran around to all of the media outlets claiming that he envisioned the Prometheus storyline as more than just one film...surely, that would mean that his vision went beyond just Prometheus, right?  If they had stuck to keeping this film a truer Alien prequel, I doubt they would be having this problem at all. 

Either way, why is Fox hearing pitches from other writers about where to take the next film?  They should at the very least have a general outline of what the next film should be about...unless Ridley lied to everyone about the "vision" he had.  Oh, and they also have the entire catalogue of Alien films to get ideas from too.  They shouldn't forget that fact either.

This is only hard for FOX because it's FOX.  I think they should just hire the next guy that comes through the door with an idea.  The writing has been on the wall for a long time already and it won't even matter what the pitch is.  Ridley's gonna change up the story into a jumbled mess just like he did before and the big suits are going make money regardless of what the fans think.

i guess we can see how things begin to crumble in the alien franchise (not like we havent seen them before A.K.A AVP movies) but yea.....i think our best chance is for someone to make a good fan film with a good story......no FOX....no limitations..

It's weird, FOX have been heavily f**king with the creative process of the series since ALIEN 3 and it's never payed off particularly well for them. You think a lesson would be learned somewhere along the way.

Quote from: tmjhur on Mar 31, 2013, 06:52:29 PM
It's weird, FOX have been heavily f**king with the creative process of the series since ALIEN 3 and it's never payed off particularly well for them. You think a lesson would be learned somewhere along the way.

Executives changed..

Yeah I know, but the madness doesn't.

Quote from: tmjhur on Mar 31, 2013, 05:06:15 PM
They need a younger, ballsier director for sure.

Can't agree with that. The direction was refreshing after years of younger directors who are clearly too wowed by the possibilities of what effects can do for them. No whirling manic camera moves, and whatever you might think of the plot and characters - a fully immersive believable environment. I think the visual style is very important - for me it's one of the reasons I find so much sci-fi of the last 20 tears to be wholly lacking - even an interesting premise is scuppered by unengaging direction that's scared of letting a story breath. You can blame Ridley if you like for the desire to not make a film that neatly ties up to ALIEN, or for misjudging the level of ambiguity in the final edit - but I'd prefer to see him come back because the pace, the look and the tone of the film was not a problem.

The environment was believable but not very cinematic.

I did NOT find the movie immersive in the slightest though. I thought the tone and look WAS a problem. A big problem. There was not sense of atmosphere or wonder or awe. It was all just so shallow.

Ridley Scott's eye has been off the ball for many years now, it's time to retire. There's just too many problems in his most recent output.

I hope he has a swan song before he makes his last minute I really do.

All this highlights to me is the problem of appealing to fandom. There are just too many differing opinions on what works, and for that reason I'd rather a director went their own way. Cameron did so and it was effective - it didn't work for me - but it was effective, so fair enough.

There are fans suggesting that the Prometheus sequel should have colonial marines on a rescue mission looking for Weyland - and that's where I'm glad that some film makers prefer to look for a way to expand themes rather than rehash them. Maybe those ideas don't work for some viewers, but for others they are at least refreshing amongst the mind-numbingly lacklustre, or visually generic sequels, prequels and remakes that come out of Hollywood.

With Prometheus I think there is a reasonable argument to say that the desire for ambiguity lead to the eye being taken off the ball and a lack of suspense was generated, but I imagine that is something that will be taken note of. If Prometheus 2 isn't compromised by a lower rating then it definitely should aim to be a more suspenseful film.

For me Ridley has made great films on a regular basis throughout his career, with passable films between. There is no reason to assume he can't do that again. I certainly don't want him to retire for no better reason than disappointed 'genre' fans telling him he isn't making the sort of film they want to watch.

It just wasn't a very good film in general, full stop. Nothing to do with genre.

Quote from: Ash 937 on Mar 31, 2013, 05:33:49 PMRidley's gonna change up the story into a jumbled mess just like he did before and the big suits are going make money regardless of what the fans think.

"Those things are gonna come in here just like they did before, and they're gonna come in here, and (Hudson!) they're gonna come in here, and they're gonna (Hudson!) GET US!"

I'm optimistic. Prometheus can be expanded into a fascinating saga. Looking forward to where some new writer may take it. And if it doesn't work for me... hey man, it was just a movie.

Quote from: Gash on Mar 31, 2013, 10:18:14 PM
All this highlights to me is the problem of appealing to fandom. There are just too many differing opinions on what works, and for that reason I'd rather a director went their own way. Cameron did so and it was effective - it didn't work for me - but it was effective, so fair enough.

There are fans suggesting that the Prometheus sequel should have colonial marines on a rescue mission looking for Weyland - and that's where I'm glad that some film makers prefer to look for a way to expand themes rather than rehash them. Maybe those ideas don't work for some viewers, but for others they are at least refreshing amongst the mind-numbingly lacklustre, or visually generic sequels, prequels and remakes that come out of Hollywood.

With Prometheus I think there is a reasonable argument to say that the desire for ambiguity lead to the eye being taken off the ball and a lack of suspense was generated, but I imagine that is something that will be taken note of. If Prometheus 2 isn't compromised by a lower rating then it definitely should aim to be a more suspenseful film.

For me Ridley has made great films on a regular basis throughout his career, with passable films between. There is no reason to assume he can't do that again. I certainly don't want him to retire for no better reason than disappointed 'genre' fans telling him he isn't making the sort of film they want to watch.

Agree completely. Ridley is still a top notch director and Prometheus is still a very good sci-fi film (although not scary enough for me). The idea that 'fans' could make a better movie is nonsense. The reason that Prometheus was maybe not the Alien film people were looking for is because the concept of xenos and facehuggers, as we've known them, is passé - it's dead. I'm sure that at some point another movie will get made featuring some sort of monster/alien hunting people down, but it will need to be set in another universe other than the one we've known.

Is it that the concept is tired or that it's been badly and unimaginatively executed from Resurrection onwards??????

Quote from: Darth Vile on Apr 01, 2013, 09:02:27 AMThe idea that 'fans' could make a better movie is nonsense.

Remember that Lindelof is a fan (the biggest, according to him) and the Gearbox crew are fans (even bigger, according to them).

What's wrong with fan ideas?
To be perfectly honest most of our ideas and most of the concept art I've seen posted on this forum are better than the final movie.

Bare in mind that studios like to water everything down and clean everything up.

Quote from: tmjhur on Apr 01, 2013, 12:07:16 PM
Is it that the concept is tired or that it's been badly and unimaginatively executed from Resurrection onwards??????

The concept is tired - IMHO.

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Quote from: Darth Vile on Apr 01, 2013, 09:02:27 AMThe idea that 'fans' could make a better movie is nonsense.

Remember that Lindelof is a fan (the biggest, according to him) and the Gearbox crew are fans (even bigger, according to them).

I meant fans who are not actually writers, directors or designers etc.

Quote from: Blacklabel on Mar 27, 2013, 06:50:48 PM

Quote from: Cvalda on Mar 27, 2013, 06:42:35 PM,can we not have one sci-fi series that is gritty, harsh and realistic?).

Can we not have a scifi series that is gritty, harsh, fantastical and so nightmarish that it makes everything else out there look like dog piss? :P

I vaguely remember that the producers didnt like Giger's stuff because it was "unrealistic".. (Or was it Ron Cobb, who wanted to design the alien?) ...his stuff seemed to come straight from all our darkest nightmares... the most appealing moments for me of the first alien film were when the crew was going down the "rabbit hole" down into a weird dream... the entire first movie is about the moment where those dark nightmares start invading reality... 

if the franchise wants to have legs, that's what it should have more of, tbh :P not mere repeats of "people getting lost in dark corridors with lurking monsters".

well said, this is where Prometheus and AR failed imo

Quote from: Darth Vile on Apr 01, 2013, 04:10:58 PMI meant fans who are not actually writers, directors or designers etc.

Oh, those fans. :P

Writing a fan script is a lot of fun, if you enjoy writing that is. Just a bit of a lark. Have at it I say.

The Problem is, where can you take it without it being an Alien Prequel? I think they should just suck it up and make the sequel the direct prequel to Alien... It would make the most sense seeing as the first one was an Alien back story that also confused the hell out of fans of it being an Alien movie or not...

It's weird how the hoped for saviour of the series has ended up muddying the waters even more so.

I think we all had such high hopes for Prometheus and when all is said and done I think Resurrection is a better movie, in fact it makes Resurrection a better movie.

huh? How in hell is Resurrection a better film?  :P

Quote from: Alien1 on Apr 02, 2013, 03:51:52 PM
The Problem is, where can you take it without it being an Alien Prequel?

Anywhere but LV-426 or Earth ;)

Yep. ^

Ideally they should just explain what happened in LV-223 and put a link between those events and the Derelict at LV-426. (My favourite pet theory: Sabotage. A lone Engineer infected a few of his colleagues to defend the fellas back on earth... the Derelict craft got away from the planet but still managed to have a xeno aboard...)
They dont even need to do anything fancy.... just a few lines of dialogue for that backstory would be enough... then they should focus on a stronger stand alone story.

Quote from: Blacklabel on Apr 02, 2013, 06:20:36 PM
Yep. ^

Ideally they should just explain what happened in LV-223 and put a link between those events and the Derelict at LV-426. (My favourite pet theory: Sabotage. A lone Engineer infected a few of his colleagues to defend the fellas back on earth... the Derelict craft got away from the planet but still managed to have a xeno aboard...)
They dont even need to do anything fancy.... just a few lines of dialogue for that backstory would be enough... then they should focus on a stronger stand alone story.

That's so simple but fits so well. Maybe not even a lone engineer, but a group of them. I really like this idea.

Ultimately the story has to include the following elements, lets just break this down the logical way. How are the engineers connected to the Alien and why is all this connected to the 'Alien' and 'Aliens'. This is what the prequel Prometheus has begun to explain and if you want to turn the whole thing into a trilogy it has to happen just like that. The ending of Prometheus opens the gap between the birth of the 'first' encountered xenomorph and the cause. Obviously 'because' there will be a prequel this will be the main content in future episodes, just natural that it will connect in one way or the other.

The morphology has previously played a big role in the alien universe and it will obviously continue if the previous parts were ever to merge into one(there's a visual difference between the Proto Alien and the Lurker everyone has noticed). The plot will focus on how the alien will evolve into what it is, might it be a cross with a human or to justify the bio-mechanical appearance with a cyborg for example. There are a bunch of options out there which are quite limited in regards to expectations. One way or the other the whole story is limited in strict boundaries, there are however plenty of options to outline all this. It was hinted that this bio weapon was to destroy earth, but why? Also why would the superior race react directly aggressive towards the inferior humans on encounter? This is all up to some tweaking, but in the end it will come down to the basics. The main story is almost inevitable, it has been built up and there's a big piece gonna fit at the end.

Sequel doesn't need to connect to Alien at all.  It can, and should, continue off in the direction it was going when the film ended - Shaw's search for answers.

I would like to see shaw visit the home planet(ship,asteroid because there are few left right?)and when she shows up they all crowd around her and whisper asking in alien tongues what she is,where she came from and where she got the ship.but all hell goes loose and somehow the deacon was on the ship the whole time growing.and it scares the engineers(space jockeys)and they dont know what to do(giving it an ALIEN thing is what a im trying to do)so they all hide in one spot thinking of strength in numbers not walking off or spreading and one jockey can talk english(it study the human race like shaw try to study them.and shaw asks why are they trying to kill the humans.then the jockey says that things werent going so well for there race and a back story shot appears showing that at one point we were all space jockeys but the primitive kind while some enlighten them selves and tried to enlighten us but we said no and caused war on them.so then they were losing the war and decided to make a weapon(black goo and xenos)to kill us to eventually stop the war.(SIDE IDEA:then predators show up and see the war with the bio-weapons and decides to hunt them causing a three way war. remember this is a side idea so dont take it seriously)but as time went on the enlightened space jockeys were still losing and the bio weapons were killing them also.
so in this they made ships to get off the planet(which is earth sorry forgot to say that)and took experimental bioweapons to improve themso they attack appropriate targets. then they got tired of living on ships because there kind could only do so much in there and went in search of a planet to live on. as time went on they found there lives better. then a thought of the primitive space jockeys(us) they go back to try and make peace. but no amount of time could break the hate we have for them so they kick the bioweapins back up and try to perfect it. and the ones who run the certain weapon went on a ship to test it on other species(ANOTHER SIDE IDEA:one crew goes to the predator planet and launch the weapon and the prefs see it as a threat so they blast the jockey ship while trying to figure out what the launched object was. and then a facehugger shoots out and grips a pred by stander and they dont know what to do because they have never seen that stage before. and as hours went by a chest buster comes out and hides in a kill while eating it and grows into a predalien and such giving thought of avp, ill talk about it later)so three ships weapons went lose killing the pilots or most of the crew.giving us the derelict and juggernaut while the third in not discovered by us yet. and shaw thinks about the jockey war and thinks of the human race and see's we havent changed a bit. the deacon ill have to save for another post if someones interested because this one is long so im gonna stop.
But basically this is a space jockey back story. what are your opinions about this? I want to know.

Quote from: Blacklabel on Apr 02, 2013, 06:20:36 PM
Yep. ^

Ideally they should just explain what happened in LV-223 and put a link between those events and the Derelict at LV-426. (My favourite pet theory: Sabotage. A lone Engineer infected a few of his colleagues to defend the fellas back on earth... the Derelict craft got away from the planet but still managed to have a xeno aboard...)
They dont even need to do anything fancy.... just a few lines of dialogue for that backstory would be enough... then they should focus on a stronger stand alone story.

This is almost the same theory I've been touting since the movie was released (so nice job  ;D)  Mine is a little different.

LV-223 was the base for the Engineers who were visiting, upgrading, and helping humans.   This was a fringe group and creating life in their own image is a no no in Engineer society.

Our benefactor Engineers are discovered by the Engineer establishment who infiltrate LV-223.  They find the location of earth and start loading up urns to destroy US.  We are an abomination in their eyes.  An Engineer releases "something" in an act of sabotage  to stop the mission to destroy humanity.  You can tie in LV-426 as either an infected helper Engineer, or as a bomber that was headed to earth.  The something could be some sort of facehugger along with some goo.  A facehugger could explain the death of the LV-426 pilot as well as the 3 dead engineers that had holes punched through their stasis pods.  The Black goo takes care of the Engineers in the temple "huddled group".  Or perhaps the goo creates the huggers.

It would be easy to tell this backstory.  Just have David come across the data in the Juggernaut and verbalize it for Shaw, or shown as a 3D video image recording.

It would be easy to tell that backstory but somehow I think they'll just go with the "earth was a petri dish" answer and their weapon turned on them.

Unless another director with a better sense of story helms it you aren't going to get anything satisfactory.
There was barely a story in Prometheus to begin with.

I just want to add that I think the series is in some serious danger. Not because PROMETHEUS 2 will not happen. Which is what evryone seems to think the major threat is here... But rather because with where PROMETHEUS left off, it is extremely easy for FOX to just make PROMETHEUS 2, a reboot of ALIEN that 'ALSO acts as a SEQUEL'

I'd pretty much rather see anything else than a ship investigating LV223 and taking off with a redesigned alien on board, and that is the easiest route to take. So, here's hoping anyone comes up with, or comes back to write something different.

Quote from: CainsSon on Apr 03, 2013, 07:10:02 PM
I just want to add that I think the series is in some serious danger. Not because PROMETHEUS 2 will not happen. Which is what evryone seems to think the major threat is here... But rather because with where PROMETHEUS left off, it is extremely easy for FOX to just make PROMETHEUS 2, a reboot of ALIEN that 'ALSO acts as a SEQUEL'

I'd pretty much rather see anything else than a ship investigating LV223 and taking off with a redesigned alien on board, and that is the easiest route to take. So, here's hoping anyone comes up with, or comes back to write something different.

Hmm. I hadn't thought of that, though I'm not sure it's that valid of a fear. If Ridley Scott is still in the works and if he does have some vision that supposedly spans more than one movie, we really shouldn't need to worry about this as an outcome.

Of course money is money and reboots are the damned rage right now...but I won't lose sleep over this.

Wasn't that the claim of the OP article? Nobody knows where to go with it - they are struggling to 'crack the story'.

IMO a religious nut flying off into space aboard an alien spaceship with a decapitated head in tow would make for a great BBC comedy series.

It's a testament to how good the first few Alien films were by the way the franchise is still respected despite the sheer amount of a beating it has taken and that the amount of effort people are willing to go through in order to rationalise and repair this extremely harmful recent addition.

Quote from: ChrisPachi on Apr 03, 2013, 11:47:40 PM
IMO a religious nut flying off into space aboard an alien spaceship with a decapitated head in tow would make for a great BBC comedy series.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lexx (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lexx)

Quote from: irn on Apr 04, 2013, 05:11:34 AM
It's a testament to how good the first few Alien films were by the way the franchise is still respected despite the sheer amount of a beating it has taken and that the amount of effort people are willing to go through in order to rationalise and repair this extremely harmful recent addition.

It's a cash cow. Or should that be a dead cash cow... I'm not sure 'respect' has anything to do with it. There hasnt been a good xeno film since Aliens.

Quote from: Darth Vile on Apr 04, 2013, 08:10:02 AM

Quote from: irn on Apr 04, 2013, 05:11:34 AM
It's a testament to how good the first few Alien films were by the way the franchise is still respected despite the sheer amount of a beating it has taken and that the amount of effort people are willing to go through in order to rationalise and repair this extremely harmful recent addition.

It's a cash cow. Or should that be a dead cash cow... I'm not sure 'respect' has anything to do with it. There hasnt been a good xeno film since Aliens.

I mean from the side of the fans, not the studios. The studios have near enough killed the franchise dead yet fans and casual moviegoers alike still have hope for it.

Hmmmmmmmm, maybe somehow they can drift around in Space so long that they get picked up in a time frame beyond ALIEN 3.

Quote from: LarsVader on Apr 04, 2013, 07:32:39 AMhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lexx (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lexx)

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Quote from: tmjhur on Apr 04, 2013, 12:04:23 PM
Hmmmmmmmm, maybe somehow they can drift around in Space so long that they get picked up in a time frame beyond ALIEN 3.

That's because fans don't like to let things go... they can be obssesive/compulsive and irrational  ;)

Quote from: tmjhur on Apr 04, 2013, 12:04:23 PMHmmmmmmmm, maybe somehow they can drift around in Space so long that they get picked up in a time frame beyond ALIEN 3.

Shaw heads off into space without a plan and nothing but a space suit. The longest she can 'drift' without food is counted in months, not years, and that is if she has an ample water supply. Given however that she has just been through a shit ton of physical trauma, chances are she'd drop in a few days. And no, she can't drink David's blood or fit into an alien cryotube. ;)

Shaw is dead. Let's move on.

Quote from: ChrisPachi on Apr 06, 2013, 12:05:34 PM

Quote from: tmjhur on Apr 04, 2013, 12:04:23 PMHmmmmmmmm, maybe somehow they can drift around in Space so long that they get picked up in a time frame beyond ALIEN 3.

Shaw heads off into space without a plan and nothing but a space suit. The longest she can 'drift' without food is counted in months, not years, and that is if she has an ample water supply. Given however that she has just been through a shit ton of physical trauma, chances are she'd drop in a few days. And no, she can't drink David's blood or fit into an alien cryotube. ;)

Shaw is dead. Let's move on.

Well that would be deeply unsatisfying.

Quote from: ChrisPachi on Apr 06, 2013, 12:05:34 PM

Quote from: tmjhur on Apr 04, 2013, 12:04:23 PMHmmmmmmmm, maybe somehow they can drift around in Space so long that they get picked up in a time frame beyond ALIEN 3.

Shaw heads off into space without a plan and nothing but a space suit. The longest she can 'drift' without food is counted in months, not years, and that is if she has an ample water supply. Given however that she has just been through a shit ton of physical trauma, chances are she'd drop in a few days. And no, she can't drink David's blood or fit into an alien cryotube. ;)

Shaw is dead. Let's move on.

Since we came from the Engineers and have similar physiology, why couldn't one of the Engineer cryotubes be configured to accommodate Shaw?

I think the sequel(s) should conclude with everyone involved being dead and all the discoveries lost so that Alien is then a rediscovery of the horrors. Perhaps WY are still curious about the Prometheus mission, as it went a few decades ago and never came back. So that's why the detour to that system with the Nostromo was put into its flight plan. Que beacon on derelict and Ash getting all excited.

Quote from: TheChazmoch on Apr 07, 2013, 12:35:08 AM

Since we came from the Engineers and have similar physiology, why couldn't one of the Engineer cryotubes be configured to accommodate Shaw?

I think i'd agree.

You seem to need one of those biomech suits to use the cryotube; if she found one her size...

Quote from: OmegaZilla on Apr 07, 2013, 01:03:41 PM
You seem to need one of those biomech suits to use the cryotube; if she found one her size...

It does seem to be a likelihood. Gosh, well did one somehow form for her? Will we be buying action figures of Noomi Rapace in a biomechanoid suit for the sequel?

The "pilot suit" seems to grow around it's user as it sits on the chair.

Maybe they'll write the biomech suits to function in that way as well. you go to a "chair" and voila, it grows around you and grafts unto your body.

"imagines biomech Shaw". :P

Will David remain a disembodied head, or be placed eventually on his body?
He doesnt really have a good track record with humans :P

Quote from: wmmvrrvrrmm on Apr 07, 2013, 01:18:12 PM
Will we be buying action figures of Noomi Rapace in a biomechanoid suit for the sequel?

I would.

Quote from: irn on Apr 07, 2013, 09:53:45 AM
I think the sequel(s) should conclude with everyone involved being dead and all the discoveries lost so that Alien is then a rediscovery of the horrors. Perhaps WY are still curious about the Prometheus mission, as it went a few decades ago and never came back. So that's why the detour to that system with the Nostromo was put into its flight plan. Que beacon on derelict and Ash getting all excited.

I'm more or less okay with this. I'm not even sure I want Shaw to get all off the answers when everything is said and done, but I want to see her continue on and to get at least some answers, even if they only raise more questions.

But to stick with the canon of the world, she really shouldn't come back to preach those answers. Not to mention, Ripley dies in Alien 3 so Shaw might as well bite it in Prometheus 3. If there is such a movie of course.

Quote from: OmegaZilla on Apr 07, 2013, 01:03:41 PM
You seem to need one of those biomech suits to use the cryotube; if she found one her size...

Those were integrated with their skin though, so I'm thinking it's more of an biomechanical/genetic evolution they'd put themselves through (as opposed to the start of the movie) instead of a suit. But yeah, there were tubes and wires/whatever stuck into the Engineer when he'd awaken, wasn't there... hmm.

It would be interesting if the biomechanical suits are somehow grow and fused with the Engineers' bodies, perhaps in different degrees of mutation/fusion depending on the particular Engineer. It would be a very interesting way on explaining why the Space Jockey in Alien was proportionally very different than the Engineers in Prometheus and why the 'suit' appeared to be the being itself. He could have literally enhanced/manipulated his body in order to completely integrate himself with the ship.

Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Apr 08, 2013, 12:09:29 AM
It would be interesting if the biomechanical suits are somehow grow and fused with the Engineers' bodies, perhaps in different degrees of mutation/fusion depending on the particular Engineer. It would be a very interesting way on explaining why the Space Jockey in Alien was proportionally very different than the Engineers in Prometheus and why the 'suit' appeared to be the being itself. He could have literally enhanced/manipulated his body in order to completely integrate himself with the ship.

Yep - now we know the engineers mess with genetic makeup, there are a myriad of ways thet could go onto explain the sj in the derelict being bigger and being fused to the chair e.g they just ingest a bit of black goo at any given time..

Keeping in line with the comments re: engineer suits, above, I agree and would add that this would be an interesting means to develope the engineers in a more aparently alien form and function. I can imagine some true biomech/mutantion horrors coming out of these concepts.

Quote from: orchidal on Apr 08, 2013, 01:47:07 PM
Keeping in line with the comments re: engineer suits, above, I agree and would add that this would be an interesting means to develope the engineers in a more aparently alien form and function. I can imagine some true biomech/mutantion horrors coming out of these concepts.

It seems that the 'God' the Engineers worship is also humanoid - based on the giant head. I am wondering if the BIOMECH difference between the Derelict in ALIEN vrs the more mechanical stuff in PROMETHEUS is actually this other race, that created the Engineers and if maybe the Engineers on LV223 were using us to create a monster to destroy them.

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Quote from: CainsSon on Apr 03, 2013, 07:10:02 PM
I just want to add that I think the series is in some serious danger. Not because PROMETHEUS 2 will not happen. Which is what evryone seems to think the major threat is here... But rather because with where PROMETHEUS left off, it is extremely easy for FOX to just make PROMETHEUS 2, a reboot of ALIEN that 'ALSO acts as a SEQUEL'

I'd pretty much rather see anything else than a ship investigating LV223 and taking off with a redesigned alien on board, and that is the easiest route to take. So, here's hoping anyone comes up with, or comes back to write something different.

Hmm. I hadn't thought of that, though I'm not sure it's that valid of a fear. If Ridley Scott is still in the works and if he does have some vision that supposedly spans more than one movie, we really shouldn't need to worry about this as an outcome.

Of course money is money and reboots are the damned rage right now...but I won't lose sleep over this.

I def agree that this reboot thing will most likely NOT be the case so long as Ridley Scott in on board, but as the original thread reported:

"Devin Faraci confirms Fox have been talking to many screenwriters in his report:

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    I can't verify everything in BD's report, but I can tell you I know that Fox has been taking many, many meetings with screenwriters, and that screenwriters have been pretty much bringing in their own pitches, not working within an established frame. I actually don't think this is a bad thing, and the Exquisite Corpse nature of the sequel could give the new writers a chance to make serious course corrections. But that's on the creative end - on the studio end the up-in-the-air nature of the sequel really opens the door for tons of terrible ideas, executive tinkering and Ridley Scott dithering. Maybe Prometheus 2 will die on the vine. More likely, Prometheus 2 will end up being really rushed and half-assed."

It seems like FOX is not entirely sold or keen to move forward with the ideas Scott developed exclusively. And if that makes Scott's interest 'dither' then it would be very very easy for FOX to just say, "Do what worked before. Fans want an ALIEN film."

So when I hear they are taking all kinds of pitches and aren't set on anything... I think Scott's leaving the project is a very real possibility. Especially if the studio finds a pitch they like that he isn't so much on board with.

Im not trying to be pessimistic, I'm just trying to be realistic and sort of maybe warn people against all the complaints. You have to ask yourself what the reaction will be. THERE ABSOLUTELY WILL BE ANOTHER ALIEN FILM. Whether it is PROMETHEUS 2 or an ALIEN reboot... So the question becomes, well, "What would you rather see?" because right now it is far more rare and exciting that a new expansive story is being considered, when the easiest and most popular thing to do is just to reboot ALIEN. What's more is, I would argue that the people at FOX were keenly aware that PROMETHEUS provided this set-up. It is almost remarkably easy to just say the PROMETHEUS mission caused the merger b/w Weyland and Yutani and basically tell the same story as ALIEN only with a rescue party on LV223, 2 years later or whatever. Then package it as a PREQUEL/REBOOT hybrid.

This is the ACE IN THE HOLE for FOX. We should do anything we can not to encourage them by complaining too much, IMO.

Quote from: CainsSon on Apr 08, 2013, 08:56:21 PM
It seems that the 'God' the Engineers worship is also humanoid - based on the giant head. I am wondering if the BIOMECH difference between the Derelict in ALIEN vrs the more mechanical stuff in PROMETHEUS is actually this other race, that created the Engineers and if maybe the Engineers on LV223 were using us to create a monster to destroy them.

Eh. I'm under the impression that the head is an Engineer head and they worship themselves like narcissists, but that's neither here nor there :P

Quote from: CainsSon on Apr 03, 2013, 07:10:02 PM
I def agree that this reboot thing will most likely NOT be the case so long as Ridley Scott in on board, but as the original thread reported:

Devin Faraci confirms Fox have been talking to many screenwriters in his report:

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Well that's disheartening. You'd think a director like Ridley would have some pull, but it always does come down to money. Shit shit shit.

QuoteIm not trying to be pessimistic, I'm just trying to be realistic and sort of maybe warn people against all the complaints. You have to ask yourself what the reaction will be. THERE ABSOLUTELY WILL BE ANOTHER ALIEN FILM. Whether it is PROMETHEUS 2 or an ALIEN reboot... So the question becomes, well, "What would you rather see?" because right now it is far more rare and exciting that a new expansive story is being considered, when the easiest and most popular thing to do is just to reboot ALIEN. What's more is, I would argue that the people at FOX were keenly aware that PROMETHEUS provided this set-up. It is almost remarkably easy to just say the PROMETHEUS mission caused the merger b/w Weyland and Yutani and basically tell the same story as ALIEN only with a rescue party on LV223, 2 years later or whatever. Then package it as a PREQUEL/REBOOT hybrid.

This is the ACE IN THE HOLE for FOX.

YOu make some valid points, and now I'm all sad. I really, really hope this doens't happen. I so want another film like Prometheus and not another bloody reboot. God forbid the creators want' to do something original and not rehash Alien beat for beat :\

It'd be interesting for the sequel that the ship is found drifting in deep space. A salvage crew boards it and finds Shaw had David are both dead, but the ship has a new variation of the xenomorph. Something that evolved from Shaw and meddling with alien technology.

Quote from: genocyber on Apr 09, 2013, 05:04:02 AM
It'd be interesting for the sequel that the ship is found drifting in deep space. A salvage crew boards it and finds Shaw had David are both dead, but the ship has a new variation of the xenomorph. Something that evolved from Shaw and meddling with alien technology.

Bu then it would just be another Alien movie with a slightly different looking (and lets be honest - inferior) xeno.

Quote from: genocyber on Apr 09, 2013, 05:04:02 AM
It'd be interesting for the sequel that the ship is found drifting in deep space. A salvage crew boards it and finds Shaw had David are both dead, but the ship has a new variation of the xenomorph. Something that evolved from Shaw and meddling with alien technology.

The xenomorphs aren't the problem.The problem is to bring the essence of the new species found in LV-223 .That it was probably a huge thing because they wouldn't make the deacon only to show up ; it might happen , in the next film, something linked about it.
It must have a new crew searching for answers.Someone with his own team.Hidden.As always have ...
So we could conclude.
Prometheus mission was very expensive , very low-profile...and I don't know if I am making myself clear enough but an expedition like it was "Prometheus" , should have attracted the attention of someone inside the corp..

Someone in Weyland/Yutani could have been very disappointed for some misbehavior committed by Mr.Weyland himself.
He found a hole in the mission ,which is no longer secret for him, and promptly developed a plan and followed it;

I think should have intrigue in the story. Coming from any side.
The engineers have their own plan.
The Company too.
Elizabeth intention is clear!She knows in the end.She'll not survive;
David 8 of course has one or two...the only thing that we didn't know:
If he will follow "his own" plan..or the programming?

Quote from: Darth Vile on Apr 09, 2013, 08:24:29 AM

Quote from: genocyber on Apr 09, 2013, 05:04:02 AM
It'd be interesting for the sequel that the ship is found drifting in deep space. A salvage crew boards it and finds Shaw had David are both dead, but the ship has a new variation of the xenomorph. Something that evolved from Shaw and meddling with alien technology.

Bu then it would just be another Alien movie with a slightly different looking (and lets be honest - inferior) xeno.

How would it be inferior? You could come up with a number of different things to the mix.

... yet another variation of "people being hunted by a xenomorph"..

yawn.

As opposed to what? Playing chess with them?

Lindelof should be smacked in the face.

Quote from: Infected on Apr 10, 2013, 09:51:12 PM
Lindelof should be smacked in the face.

He ran away before anyone could.

There was no problem with Lindelof. He was able to achieve what was asked of him. His script just needed a rewrite or two to fix up a few things.

A few?

Lol OmegaZilla and Nightmare I'm always gonna be confusing you two with each other cause of your almost identical Avatars and Signatures! Anyway yeah I just don;t see where they could take this. Despite myself I do like Shaw, I have no desire to see Prometheus 2. Give me a proper Alien film. Don't make it a prequel, don't directly tie it in with any specific previous Alien film, and don't have an unecessary Ripley Knock off in the lead.

Quote from: genocyber on Apr 10, 2013, 05:08:45 AM

Quote from: Darth Vile on Apr 09, 2013, 08:24:29 AM

Quote from: genocyber on Apr 09, 2013, 05:04:02 AM
It'd be interesting for the sequel that the ship is found drifting in deep space. A salvage crew boards it and finds Shaw had David are both dead, but the ship has a new variation of the xenomorph. Something that evolved from Shaw and meddling with alien technology.

Bu then it would just be another Alien movie with a slightly different looking (and lets be honest - inferior) xeno.

How would it be inferior? You could come up with a number of different things to the mix.

Inferior because whilst there's always room to explore new designs, nothing would match the beautiful nightmare of Giger's xeno design (IMHO). What are the "different things to the mix" you mention?. We've had marines, scientists/explorers, pyramids, exploding ships, penal colonies, xenos in water, xenos underwater, xenos in space, on Earth, in snow, cats, dogs, oxen... They've just about done everything...

Quote from: cloverfan98 on Apr 11, 2013, 05:19:05 AM
Give me a proper Alien film.

A proper alien film... :D
What exactly would it be?

Quote from: Darth Vile on Apr 11, 2013, 06:30:04 AM
Inferior because whilst there's always room to explore new designs, nothing would match the beautiful nightmare of Giger's xeno design (IMHO).

Huante's designs were solid.. and definitely not inferior to Giger's original design. Ridley was a fool not to use them...

They need to explore and expand the mythos.. while leaving open many windows to do many different kinds of flicks in the universe :P You want your hard scifi horror flick? You can have it. You want an epic space opera nightmare-ish horror flick? You can have it as well.. Diversification is the only way this franchise will survive :P Keep it centered around horror, space and lovecraftian giger-influenced creatures... and you've got a lot to explore with those central elements :P

Predators could be added back into the fold in a tasteful way..but Robert Rodriguez is a hack.  :P

Quote from: Blacklabel on Apr 11, 2013, 04:56:25 PM
Huante's designs were solid.. and definitely not inferior to Giger's original design. Ridley was a fool not to use them...

Wut. His "ultramorph" designs were just slick, derivative copies of Giger's Necronom IV, and his deacon design looked like an angry mutant beluga whale :P He has nothing on Giger.

Of course it looked like Giger's Necronom IV... he was hired to do an Alien creature :P might as well go back to the source... still better than of ADI's "derivatives". :P

and "angry-boneless-mutant-beluga-whale-man-with-marfan-syndrome" is a more exact description :P bizarre looking... and elegant in a way. :P

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Foi47.tinypic.com%2F10wtp2p.jpg&hash=2fcab8199926ac22e6d767733b74618781bb7aac)

Ugh, it's like Resident Evil shit or something. Pass :P

whateverrrr  :laugh:

Quote from: Cvalda on Apr 11, 2013, 05:15:23 PM
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Ugh, it's like Resident Evil shit or something. Pass :P

Kinda looks like the film adaptation of DOOM or something. But to see a scene like this play out through Scott's lens and lights and with some clever editing (so we don't see too much) I'd give it a go.

It bears mention that's just a little "sketch" of course. :P

Here's a more elegant drawing of the creature:

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.prometheus2-movie.com%2Fmedia%2Fofficial_prometheus_deacon_concept.jpg&hash=b55e45f155fcad8171bff471e3d3484e6635c880)

0 biomechanic influence.. but a lot of influence from genetic misshaps like the marfan syndrome. Wich i appreciate :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTtSu2Fld5U# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTtSu2Fld5U#)

No T, no shade, hunty :P

pffft. (https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmedia.tumblr.com%2Ftumblr_m2a33xcCdc1qd8ols.gif&hash=8b39dd51df9b7fe93a2bfbfbdf9456b6fd96013b)

Quote from: cloverfan98 on Apr 11, 2013, 05:19:05 AM
Give me a proper Alien film. Don't make it a prequel, don't directly tie it in with any specific previous Alien film, and don't have an unecessary Ripley Knock off in the lead.

So...a reboot then?

Quote from: CONKERSBADFURDAY on Apr 12, 2013, 03:24:47 AM

Quote from: cloverfan98 on Apr 11, 2013, 05:19:05 AM
Give me a proper Alien film. Don't make it a prequel, don't directly tie it in with any specific previous Alien film, and don't have an unecessary Ripley Knock off in the lead.

So...a reboot then?

Not a reboot just another Alien film with a new cast if that makes any sense. Hey I'd be up for Alien 5 with Ripley but I don't think thats going to happen.

So essentially an in-continuity reboot ;)

Personally, I say just follow up on Prometheus.

Quote from: Blacklabel on Apr 11, 2013, 04:56:25 PM

Quote from: Darth Vile on Apr 11, 2013, 06:30:04 AM
Inferior because whilst there's always room to explore new designs, nothing would match the beautiful nightmare of Giger's xeno design (IMHO).

Huante's designs were solid.. and definitely not inferior to Giger's original design. Ridley was a fool not to use them...

They need to explore and expand the mythos.. while leaving open many windows to do many different kinds of flicks in the universe :P You want your hard scifi horror flick? You can have it. You want an epic space opera nightmare-ish horror flick? You can have it as well.. Diversification is the only way this franchise will survive :P Keep it centered around horror, space and lovecraftian giger-influenced creatures... and you've got a lot to explore with those central elements :P

Predators could be added back into the fold in a tasteful way..but Robert Rodriguez is a hack.  :P

They were "solid" designs, but my point was that nothing had, or has since, been put to film like Giger's designs in Alien. It's like the design of Universal's Frankenstein's monster i.e it's so definitive that everything that comes after is derivative. And whilst I do like those white boneless designs, he looks a bit like the merman from Cabin in the Woods.

I agree with you about all the windows left open and expanding the mythos... But I think that route is a direct follow up to Prometheus as opposed to another Alien film or xeno on a spaceship story.

Quote from: Darth Vile on Apr 12, 2013, 06:38:04 AM
he looks a bit like the merman from Cabin in the Woods.

Dont really see the resemblance....  :laugh:
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmedia.creativebloq.futurecdn.net%2Fsites%2Fcreativebloq.com%2Ffiles%2Fimages%2F2012%2F10%2Fmerman.jpg&hash=9da35e6293e42bc11359fcfd5173f63010d790fa)

Obviously anybody working on an Alien film is going to be indebted to Giger's original design. But Huante had the right idea when it came to his alien creature... Giger took car parts, crocodile tails, skeletons and he put a penis on a man's head. Huante stripped away all of Giger's quirks and took physical deformities, whales and goblin sharks and blended them with a really tall albino man. He took the stuff that inspires him as an artist and he really put himself in his work.

Let's compare that to when the strause Bros, Kenner or companies like Gearbox start doing the alien creature they just start adding "more and more spikes! more teeth" Let's make them bigger and stronger!... those arent creative artistic decisions, that's just being a child and playing with your toys. :P I dont blame ADI for some of their poor designs.. most cases they are just following the directors or the producers input. Their Runner looks good and the Newborn was an amazing Chris Cunningham design despite what ended up on screen not being 100% true to his vision of the creature.

But to the point, the franchise needs more real artists with unique and talented personal takes... not man-children who just want to have colonial marines go pew pew against "BADASS" over the top looking aliunz again.  :P

A xeno biting someone's face and spurting blood out of its dorsal tubes. How is that not a thing?

I say go big with the sequel. There is huge potential for a truly mind-f**king story. Back on the horse Ridley, back on the f**king horse.

It'll be ten years before we get another 'alien' movie and it won't have anything to do with Prometheus.

Quote from: Blacklabel on Apr 12, 2013, 06:45:19 AM


Obviously anybody working on an Alien film is going to be indebted to Giger's original design. But Huante had the right idea when it came to his alien creature... Giger took car parts, crocodile tails, skeletons and he put a penis on a man's head. Huante stripped away all of Giger's quirks and took physical deformities, whales and goblin sharks and blended them with a really tall albino man. He took the stuff that inspires him as an artist and he really put himself in his work.

Let's compare that to when the strause Bros, Kenner or companies like Gearbox start doing the alien creature they just start adding "more and more spikes! more teeth" Let's make them bigger and stronger!... those arent creative artistic decisions, that's just being a child and playing with your toys. :P I dont blame ADI for some of their poor designs.. most cases they are just following the directors or the producers input. Their Runner looks good and the Newborn was an amazing Chris Cunningham design despite what ended up on screen not being 100% true to his vision of the creature.

But to the point, the franchise needs more real artists with unique and talented personal takes... not man-children who just want to have colonial marines go pew pew against "BADASS" over the top looking aliunz again.  :P

I hear what you're saying and I agree - more artists and less fanboys... but whilst I do like those concept paintings, I don't find them particularly scary or original. It does remind me of the merman and Hellraiser and Silent Hill. I think Giger's work was truly original and a one off in terms of a creature/alien in cinema.

Scary... Giger's Alien was trying to get away from the stuff we usually associate with "scary" monsters (and super creeps) .... i remember that Ridley asked specifically to avoid large fangs, huge claws and the like... Huante's design tries to avoid the same clichés.

I only found the alien creature "scary" when i was a kid :P Which is funny when you consider that they were selling these to kids  :laugh:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQ8sYXVoAZA# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQ8sYXVoAZA#)

I'm ok for a sequel as long as they return to the true dark biomechanical alien like monsters. In corporating a sinster life cycle similar to the xenomorph. Twisted monsters like the alternate fifeild mutation or something along those lines are ok. And a story about retracing the engineers steps to find an unholy monster on a death destroyed world. Or omething along those lines.

Quote from: Terx2 on Apr 13, 2013, 01:55:23 PM
death destroyed world.

It better look like that... :P

I hope so.

I said it before, but I still think that when we meet up with Shaw again she should be a bit bio-mechanical herself, like the Engineer's suit at the end of Prometheus (so that she can connect to the Juggernaut's cryopods). Maybe David as well. Then we'll finally be able to get the long-rumored head piloting the ship! :D

Quote from: Blacklabel on Apr 13, 2013, 11:56:40 PM
It better look like that... :P

If it's currently inhabited at the time in which Shaw and David get there, unfortunately(?), I can assure you it won't.

Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Apr 13, 2013, 11:52:32 PM

Quote from: Terx2 on Apr 13, 2013, 01:55:23 PM
death destroyed world.

WELCOME TO PARADISE

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Its heaven :o 8)

Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Apr 14, 2013, 12:10:08 AM
I hope so.

I said it before, but I still think that when we meet up with Shaw again she should be a bit bio-mechanical herself, like the Engineer's suit at the end of Prometheus (so that she can connect to the Juggernaut's cryopods). Maybe David as well. Then we'll finally be able to get the long-rumored head piloting the ship! :D

I actually wouldn't mind that. She might have to wear it to walk on the engineer homeworld after all humans and engineers share the same dna so wearing the biosuit makes sense.

Quote from: Space Sweeper on Apr 14, 2013, 12:35:54 AM

Quote from: Blacklabel on Apr 13, 2013, 11:56:40 PM
It better look like that... :P

If it's currently inhabited at the time in which Shaw and David get there, unfortunately(?), I can assure you it won't.

Given how much the Engineers were fused with their suits... There's still a possibility.

I'm going to make the assumption that, if the planet is populated (be it by Engineers or another batch of 'humans' that were created on another planet) we will still see biomechanical structures of some sort but perhaps not with as dreary and atmosphere as the images I posted above provoke.

Would be interesting if wherever they land, the planet is nearly empty upon their arrival. Early on Shaw and David stumble upon some creatures and some non-Earth 'humans' in biomech suits that were bred on the planet (surely Fox is going to want more people than just Shaw in the film; the loophole is that they don't have to originate from Earth. Though there would, obviously, be a language barrier), and the Engineers eventually come into play sometime later.

I dunno.

Nightmare.. i like what you are thinking.. and i've posted similar ideas in the past.


:laugh:

Spoiler

My own idea for how to suplant the language barrier: Some Giger-device is implanted in Shaw's vocal cords. Painfully. :P I'd use it to create a little bit of body-horror. :P... i'd prefer to keep the language barrier though. :P It just would "alienate" Shaw even further from her surroundings.

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Actually, thinking more about the language barrier, David could probably communicate with them. David broke Earth's oldest languages down to their roots (roots that were derived from the Engineers). It wouldn't be too far fetched for him to have limited communication with other humans derived of the Engineers.

Having only David be able to understand them would make the divide between Shaw and the "artificial person" even greater... would she be able to trust him to such an extent?

Would be interesting to see something like that play out.

Would also be interesting to see the Prometheus creation myth played out a bit more. The Engineers created us. We created androids. Our meddling in forces we didn't understand helped create some Frankenstein's monsters of sorts. But what biological and psychological horrors have the Engineers' other creations been up to?

Quote from: Blacklabel on Apr 14, 2013, 11:39:50 AM
Nightmare.. i like what you are thinking.. and i've posted similar ideas in the past.

BROFIST

:laugh:

Spoiler

My own idea for how to suplant the language barrier: Some Giger-device is implanted in Shaw's vocal cords. Painfully. :P I'd use it to create a little bit of body-horror. :P... i'd prefer to keep the language barrier though. :P It just would "alienate" Shaw even further from her surroundings.

[close]

Could be apart of Shaws biosuit. A vocal converter designed by David cause his studied the engineers and understands there technology.

Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Apr 14, 2013, 01:26:43 PM
Would be interesting to see something like that play out.

Would also be interesting to see the Prometheus creation myth played out a bit more. The Engineers created us. We created androids. Our meddling in forces we didn't understand helped create some Frankenstein's monsters of sorts. But what biological and psychological horrors have the Engineers' other creations been up to?

I had a though the engineers themselves are Prometheus. The stole they technology and based themselves after another alien race (Could be the space jockey or something different) they learned how to travel through space, extend there life and create life. But theres a catch. They can't reproduce cause of the biosuit. There are those that refuse the technology to remain pure (like the engineer we see at the start) but want to remain religious in sacrificing themselves to populate the galaxy with new species. The biomechanical engineers hated them for it because they believed they would have they're power taken away from a lesser species and decided to dominate them. War breaks out. Many new creatures are made in the process but the engineer homeworld become corrupt by the biomechanical engineers. Paradise a now living nightmare. The pure engineers created humanity and wanted it to succeed were they failed or refused to fight. Dying for our sins. They left behind clues to find them on LV223. But the place captured and they were rounded up somehow and experimented on by the biomechanical engineers. One of them breaks free and releases the black goo infecting the place and dying to protect humanity. Paradise is the garden of eden meets hell.

That has to be the longest post I've ever done ;D Hope it was clear.

Quote from: Terx2 on Apr 14, 2013, 02:00:23 PM

Quote from: Blacklabel on Apr 14, 2013, 11:39:50 AM
Nightmare.. i like what you are thinking.. and i've posted similar ideas in the past.

BROFIST

:laugh:

Spoiler

My own idea for how to suplant the language barrier: Some Giger-device is implanted in Shaw's vocal cords. Painfully. :P I'd use it to create a little bit of body-horror. :P... i'd prefer to keep the language barrier though. :P It just would "alienate" Shaw even further from her surroundings.

[close]

Could be apart of Shaws biosuit. A vocal converter designed by David cause his studied the engineers and understands there technology.

Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Apr 14, 2013, 01:26:43 PM
Would be interesting to see something like that play out.

Would also be interesting to see the Prometheus creation myth played out a bit more. The Engineers created us. We created androids. Our meddling in forces we didn't understand helped create some Frankenstein's monsters of sorts. But what biological and psychological horrors have the Engineers' other creations been up to?

I had a though the engineers themselves are Prometheus. The stole they technology and based themselves after another alien race (Could be the space jockey or something different) they learned how to travel through space, extend there life and create life. But theres a catch. They can't reproduce cause of the biosuit. There are those that refuse the technology to remain pure (like the engineer we see at the start) but want to remain religious in sacrificing themselves to populate the galaxy with new species. The biomechanical engineers hated them for it because they believed they would have they're power taken away from a lesser species and decided to dominate them. War breaks out. Many new creatures are made in the process but the engineer homeworld become corrupt by the biomechanical engineers. Paradise a now living nightmare. The pure engineers created humanity and wanted it to succeed were they failed or refused to fight. Dying for our sins. They left behind clues to find them on LV223. But the place captured and they were rounded up somehow and experimented on by the biomechanical engineers. One of them breaks free and releases the black goo infecting the place and dying to protect humanity. Paradise is the garden of eden meets hell.

That has to be the longest post I've ever done ;D Hope it was clear.

Good post. I like to say exactly like you sometimes. But I'm not so inspired; for now.

The quote I really agree in your post is that part:

"Paradise is the garden of eden meets hell."

This part says a lot.It's obvious their natural planet isn't too much different from ours.The "real" engineers like biodiversity.There is no other reason but because they created so many beings and forms.
The first enginner/Sacrificer doesn't have anything in common with the last enginner in Prometheus.One tries to beat us.The other one sacrifice himself for a bigger purpose.


But they have idea of this knowledge they have adcquired and that could bring madness for their people.
To act like a god has a price.
So they are Prometheus!.

And this madness could grow if we, humans , get part of it.

Though this thread basically turned into a "What I would write"... rather than the OP seemed to intend.

So i will simply reply to the OP:

There's an old saying [paraphrase] "One lies and the other Swears to it"

And therein lies the modern Internet.  So I honestly believe -- with the more realistic scenario being that there are countless writers and writing teams who would give their left arm to write more movies in this universe -- this article holds little water in my humble opinion.

Quote from: episodenone on Apr 14, 2013, 04:40:31 PM
Though this thread basically turned into a "What I would write"... rather than the OP seemed to intend.

So i will simply reply to the OP:

There's an old saying [paraphrase] "One lies and the other Swears to it"

And therein lies the modern Internet.  So I honestly believe -- with the more realistic scenario being that there are countless writers and writing teams who would give their left arm to write more movies in this universe -- this article holds little water in my humble opinion.

Yeah I'm sure there are a ton of writers who would want an official crack at it, it's that the production is struggling to make up their mind on the direction to go in.

Juggernaut approaching paradise

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/gallery/albums/userpics/15562/paradise.jpg)

I'm thinking now that they (FOX) have returned to the ALIEN 3 scenario where they are avoiding trying to make the "planet of the Alien" film due to cost and the potential difficulties of production.

They really shouldn't have spent a gigantic budget making a silly remake of ALIEN with no real story when they could have done what they did in about a half hour and then spent the rest of Prometheus on the Engineer home world.

Sure Prometheus made money but it turned a lot of people off and a sequel isn't a sure-fire success story so I'm guessing they are looking for a more budget conscious sequel unfortunately.

Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Apr 14, 2013, 12:10:08 AM
I said it before, but I still think that when we meet up with Shaw again she should be a bit bio-mechanical herself, like the Engineer's suit at the end of Prometheus (so that she can connect to the Juggernaut's cryopods).

Yay! Let's turn her into a Machiko Noguchi clone! :laugh:

She's already implied to be, then, given she was able to fly one of them ships.

Quote from: Xenomorphine on Apr 20, 2013, 07:29:39 PM

Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Apr 14, 2013, 12:10:08 AM
I said it before, but I still think that when we meet up with Shaw again she should be a bit bio-mechanical herself, like the Engineer's suit at the end of Prometheus (so that she can connect to the Juggernaut's cryopods).

Yay! Let's turn her into a Machiko Noguchi clone! :laugh:

Lol Not really. Even if she turns a bit biomechanical, she still wouldnt be "welcomed" into Engineer society. :P As per Prometheus, humans are all meant to be destroyed.

Quote from: OmegaZilla on Apr 20, 2013, 08:37:17 PM
She's already implied to be, then, given she was able to fly one of them ships.

I thought it was David's head doing that.

Not showing exactly how the ship is being operated really leaves lots of open options to explore in the sequel :P

Quote from: SpaceMarines on Apr 20, 2013, 09:12:41 PM
I thought it was David's head doing that.

How.

Quote from: Blacklabel on Apr 20, 2013, 09:16:02 PM
Not showing exactly how the ship is being operated really leaves lots of open options to explore in the sequel :P

But they showed it when the Engineer seats up and does fladhy shit with the holograms.

Quote from: OmegaZilla on Apr 21, 2013, 04:34:32 AM

Quote from: SpaceMarines on Apr 20, 2013, 09:12:41 PM
I thought it was David's head doing that.

How.

Hook him up to the computers, or have him direct Shaw. He was able to decipher their language pretty damned fast.

I feel like the central problem to a Prometheus sequel is that which plagued the concept of an Alien prequel for years. Ridley's concept was to make a film centered on the Space Jockeys. He frustrated the idea because its damn near impossible to make an accessible film to audiences about Alien beings that don't feature humans themselves. Think about it, a film where creatures interact who do not speak a language that anyone can understand. A culture that is entirely beyond comprehension because of the nature of what it is. How can anyone, even someone as talented as Ridley Scott be expected to deliver a product that would revolve around that and STILL involve mainstream audiences.

He was sold on the Spaihts pitch because Jon found a way to make it a human story that bisected with the Jockey story. It certainly wasn't a groundbreaking idea; voyage into space, discovery of intelligent life, etc, but it worked in terms of getting the audience to relate to what was happening on screen. It became a story of man and much less a story of Engineers. We've now been teased that the next installment will be the story of the Engineers and the same problem still exists, how does Ridley make an engrossing and enthralling cinematic movie about a culture that has only tenuous roots to humanity?

So we're back to the notion that Ridley has to explain, maybe not fully, but on a much bigger canvas, has to explain and represent this Jockey race and craft a two hour plus motion picture around them and their culture. That's the territory he's boxed himself into, only in this occasion, there is a human and a robot to place the story around. The next script will truly have to be creative and ingenious to make the idea fly.

Quote from: The Dark Shape on Apr 23, 2013, 01:51:36 AM
I feel like the central problem to a Prometheus sequel is that which plagued the concept of an Alien prequel for years. Ridley's concept was to make a film centered on the Space Jockeys. He frustrated the idea because its damn near impossible to make an accessible film to audiences about Alien beings that don't feature humans themselves. Think about it, a film where creatures interact who do not speak a language that anyone can understand. A culture that is entirely beyond comprehension because of the nature of what it is. How can anyone, even someone as talented as Ridley Scott be expected to deliver a product that would revolve around that and STILL involve mainstream audiences.

He was sold on the Spaihts pitch because Jon found a way to make it a human story that bisected with the Jockey story. It certainly wasn't a groundbreaking idea; voyage into space, discovery of intelligent life, etc, but it worked in terms of getting the audience to relate to what was happening on screen. It became a story of man and much less a story of Engineers. We've now been teased that the next installment will be the story of the Engineers and the same problem still exists, how does Ridley make an engrossing and enthralling cinematic movie about a culture that has only tenuous roots to humanity?

So we're back to the notion that Ridley has to explain, maybe not fully, but on a much bigger canvas, has to explain and represent this Jockey race and craft a two hour plus motion picture around them and their culture. That's the territory he's boxed himself into, only in this occasion, there is a human and a robot to place the story around. The next script will truly have to be creative and ingenious to make the idea fly.

I agree with all that. If you can't humanise a story you have problems. That was always the biggest risk with going back to the origin of the SJ's as it had to involve human interaction in some shape or form for it to work.

Quote from: The Dark Shape on Apr 23, 2013, 01:51:36 AMWe've now been teased that the next installment will be the story of the Engineers and the same problem still exists, how does Ridley make an engrossing and enthralling cinematic movie about a culture that has only tenuous roots to humanity?

Tenuous roots? Did you even watch the movie? :P

Quote from: Darth Vile on Apr 25, 2013, 10:23:44 AMThat was always the biggest risk with going back to the origin of the SJ's as it had to involve human interaction in some shape or form for it to work.

I am sure that we can all agree that a sub-titled movie starring a cast of Space Jockeys speaking native alien would of been a popular flop, but it doesn't follow that in order to make a popular movie about aliens one has to humanise the aliens.

Quote from: ChrisPachi on Apr 27, 2013, 11:48:33 AM

Quote from: The Dark Shape on Apr 23, 2013, 01:51:36 AMWe've now been teased that the next installment will be the story of the Engineers and the same problem still exists, how does Ridley make an engrossing and enthralling cinematic movie about a culture that has only tenuous roots to humanity?

Tenuous roots? Did you even watch the movie? :P

Quote from: Darth Vile on Apr 25, 2013, 10:23:44 AMThat was always the biggest risk with going back to the origin of the SJ's as it had to involve human interaction in some shape or form for it to work.

I am sure that we can all agree that a sub-titled movie starring a cast of Space Jockeys speaking native alien would of been a popular flop, but it doesn't follow that in order to make a popular movie about aliens one has to humanise the aliens.

I wasn't necessarily talking about humanising the SJ's... although there is clearly a logistical requirement to make them work on set/on screen - otherwise it could end up looking like Avatar meets Return of the Jedi's Jabba the Hutt.

While it would certainly depend on the script and the director (if Ridley is gven the boot). I can see Fox pulling and Aliens and making the sequel more action packed, perhaps dealing with a rescue team sent to find out what happened to the Pormetheus? Again, whether or not it works would depend entirely on the script.

Everybody who feels sorry for fox and ridley after they hired lindelof,
read his re-write,
and then filmed his re-write,
please line up single file in front of this giant steamroller.

And then close your eyes.

Quote from: A_Sexual_Tyrannosaurus on May 11, 2013, 01:46:43 AMI can see Fox pulling and Aliens and making the sequel more action packed

I hope they can resist that urge. Of all the criticism we've heard re: Prometheus, I don't recall too many (intelligent) people saying it would have been better if it had more 'pew! pew!'. From what I'm reading, most people seem to wish it was just more logical and that it would deliver on the big promises that it makes.

If they can make an artful, intelligent and terrifying sequel to Prometheus, they'll be heroes. If they make a standard action-fest, I think, it'll be the last straw for many people. Just my opinions, of course.

Just make it more fluid and more sensical. 

i dont think that means no one wants to write the script ...and i dont believe Fox is really wants to find a good script writer BUT...a famous one like that Lindaeeaeeleloooaaf