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Title: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Kailem on Dec 07, 2020, 07:22:32 PM
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/382016896331153409/785586405857558588/ALIEN2021001_DC11.jpg)
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Ultramorph on Dec 07, 2020, 07:34:37 PM
It's coming out March 2021, per CBR.

https://www.cbr.com/marvel-comics-alien-series-early-2021/ (https://www.cbr.com/marvel-comics-alien-series-early-2021/)

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QuoteWriter Phillip Kennedy Johnson (Empyre: Captain America) and artist Salvador Larroca (Doctor Doom) collaborate on Alien #1 launching in March 2021. The comic will feature new and classic characters from Earth and beyond, including a Weyland-Yutani mercenary named Gabriel Cruz. The Alien #1 description says Cruz "battles a deadly new breed of xenomorph with the survival of his child hanging in the balance."
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Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Dec 07, 2020, 07:36:43 PM
From Marvel.

https://www.marvel.com/articles/comics/all-new-alien-stories-coming-to-marvel-comics-in-march
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: judge death on Dec 07, 2020, 07:43:52 PM
Just from the look and what they describe I hear my inner alarm turned on:
Battling a new breed of xenomorph, and the inner jaw is bendable...... OK have to see how they explain this but my alarm is going off.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: bobby brown on Dec 07, 2020, 07:56:29 PM
I'm all for new stuff. I'm a bit bored.

That doesn't mean I will like whatever tough. I loathed fire and stone.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Dec 07, 2020, 07:57:33 PM
Phillip Kennedy Johnson is a good choice for this one. Having a Marvel Zombies writer on from the go is a good choice for those with that worry about it being tamed down. Not to be that guy either, and hoping we don't have another Greg Land situation here but having looked up Salvador, he's had some criticism in the past about tracing.

From Wikipedia: "James Whitbrook, reviewing the "Ashes of Jedha" storyline in Marvel Comics' Star Wars comics series for Kotaku, took issue with what he felt was Larroca's heavy reliance on tracing stills from Star Wars films when rendering the characters, which imbued the characters' faces with an "awkward hyperrealism" that he felt evoked the effect of the Uncanny Valley. While Whitbrook did not observe this problem in his work on other Star Wars arcs, and praised Larroca's work in rendering large-scale elements such as starships or planets, he felt that in many closeups of the three main characters in "Jedha," the illustrations too closely mirrored the images from the films, often from scenes in which the actors' facial expressions did not match the tone or dialogue of the characters in the comic.[5] Charlie Hall, reviewing the same storyline for Polygon, expressed the same viewpoint, and like Whitbrook, compared these renditions to the work of Angel Unzueta and Arif Prianto on the Poe Dameron series, which they felt rendered the characters to sufficiently resemble or recognizably evoke the actors who played them, without exhibiting the sense that they were "pasted" from reference materials.[6] "

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salvador_Larroca#Criticism


Quote from: judge death on Dec 07, 2020, 07:43:52 PM
Just from the look and what they describe I hear my inner alarm turned on:
Battling a new breed of xenomorph, and the inner jaw is bendable...... OK have to see how they explain this but my alarm is going off.

That may just be artistic license. It's not the first time I've seen an artist rendition with the Alien having a bendy tongue. Curious to see it sounds like they're going all in on the DNA reflex straight away.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Nukiemorph on Dec 07, 2020, 07:59:06 PM
Glad to see them using the title "Alien" instead of "Aliens".
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Kailem on Dec 07, 2020, 08:04:39 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 07, 2020, 07:57:33 PMNot to be that guy either, and hoping we don't have another Greg Land situation here but having looked up Salvador, he's had some criticism in the past about tracing.

Oh yeah, modern-day Larocca is well known for his tracing. The difference between him and Greg Land though is that, as far as I'm aware, when he does it he only traces stills/screencaps, not other artists' work.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 07, 2020, 08:29:29 PM
So from what I'm gathering here, this seems like it is going to be an ongoing series, rather than a miniseries like we've been used to all all of Dark Horse's various runs.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Miguel on Dec 07, 2020, 08:36:33 PM
Quote from: David's Creation on Dec 07, 2020, 07:59:06 PM
Glad to see them using the title "Alien" instead of "Aliens".

Same here.

Besides, on the one hand I'm worried about what approach Marvel will give to the franchise, but on the other hand I'm looking forward to seeing new things.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: SM on Dec 07, 2020, 08:53:22 PM
That inner jaw...  ugh...

Otherwise bring it on.  :)
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 07, 2020, 09:03:36 PM
https://twitter.com/Marvel/status/1336023900434665482

It strikes me as odd that for their very first run, they're using a "Deadly New Breed of Xenomorph." You'd think, right off the bat, they'd want to do something with a more traditional Alien to ease in their run.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: 426Buddy on Dec 07, 2020, 09:09:56 PM
Yeah I don't like the sound of new breed but ill give it a shot.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 07, 2020, 09:15:57 PM
Quote from: 426Buddy on Dec 07, 2020, 09:09:56 PM
Yeah I don't like the sound of new breed but ill give it a shot.

I'm not opposed to a mutation or whatever, Dark Horse had been pumping stuff out like that for decades for better or worse (and that is often why I cite Alien: Resurrection as being a Dark Horse comic come to life), but it just kind of baffles me that they want that to be the very first thing of theirs that people read. Especially with this being an ongoing, you'd think they'd be playing it a bit safer by having the first six issues would play out like a traditional Alien(s) story and then at the end of issue six tease this mutant thing to run through the next arc in issues 7-12.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: SuperiorIronman on Dec 07, 2020, 09:17:20 PM
New breed could either mean new batch or it's like Alien 3 and we're introduced to a new variant. We'd have categorized it as a new variant I'm sure regardless.

Salvador Larroca is a bold choice following the shit show with Greg Land. I'm not 100% on that choice but he was fine on Doctor Doom as of late so we might be alright with him on Alien. Still, not a good look with Alien with two big names on it with issues of tracing.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Ultramorph on Dec 07, 2020, 09:17:34 PM
Quote from: 426Buddy on Dec 07, 2020, 09:09:56 PM
Yeah I don't like the sound of new breed but ill give it a shot.

I think they may be using xenomorph generically, and this more implies the first (known) time running into the capital X Xenos.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 07, 2020, 09:28:30 PM
Quote from: SuperiorIronman on Dec 07, 2020, 09:17:20 PM
Salvador Larroca is a bold choice following the shit show with Greg Land.

Wonderful. ::)
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Nukiemorph on Dec 07, 2020, 09:33:20 PM
Quote from: SM on Dec 07, 2020, 08:53:22 PM
That inner jaw...  ugh...

Otherwise bring it on.  :)
Snake inner jaws,
bendy heads,
and necks that are too far forward.
My three biggest alien art peeves.

Maybe it's something we can attribute to the "deadly new breed."
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 07, 2020, 09:34:51 PM
Snake inner jaw, eh?

(https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-4fKuXmedzLg/XHuvgTn8IcI/AAAAAAAAtl8/9fjjWrMlH58fJevnmmqx_xpF9ugrjSdhgCKgBGAs/s640/51697139_658255124604502_8871841772390027461_n.jpg)

We Kenner Blomkamp mode now!
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: HuDaFuK on Dec 07, 2020, 09:46:23 PM
Interesting that it's got no subtitle and there's no mention of a number of issues - might this be an ongoing series?

As for the bendy jaw, when was the last time an Alien comic cover had any bearing on what actually happens inside? Besides, the Drones in Resurrection had bendy inner jaws.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 07, 2020, 09:48:12 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Dec 07, 2020, 09:46:23 PM
Interesting that it's got no subtitle and there's no mention of a number of issues - might this be an ongoing series?

Yeah, that's definitely what I'm taking from that. That's also how Marvel ushered in their Star Wars comics (while then introducing a bunch of various miniseries on the side).
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: judge death on Dec 07, 2020, 09:53:40 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 07, 2020, 09:48:12 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Dec 07, 2020, 09:46:23 PM
Interesting that it's got no subtitle and there's no mention of a number of issues - might this be an ongoing series?

Yeah, that's definitely what I'm taking from that. That's also how Marvel ushered in their Star Wars comics (while then introducing a bunch of various miniseries on the side).
I hope we dont get a forever ongoing series, the star wars comics I lost all track of which ones I have and what order, prefer shorter stories so its easier to get them all and a clear story.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 07, 2020, 09:55:35 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 07, 2020, 09:15:57 PM
I'm not opposed to a mutation or whatever, Dark Horse had been pumping stuff out like that for decades for better or worse (and that is often why I cite Alien: Resurrection as being a Dark Horse comic come to life)

Quote from: HuDaFuK on Dec 07, 2020, 09:46:23 PM
Besides, the Drones in Resurrection had bendy inner jaws.

Marvel's first release, and we've already come full circle. :D
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Dec 07, 2020, 09:58:56 PM
The bendy jaw! Brought to you by the fans of Crabators! 🦀

Other than that, this guy's excited! (Except the new breed of Xenomorphs makes me involuntarily flinch a bit.)
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Kradan on Dec 07, 2020, 09:59:47 PM
Quote from: SM on Dec 07, 2020, 08:53:22 PM
That inner jaw...  ugh...

That was the first thing I've noticed


Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Dec 07, 2020, 09:58:56 PM
The bendy jaw! Brought to you by the fans of Crabators! 🦀

Hey, I have nothing to do with it !
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: judge death on Dec 07, 2020, 10:07:44 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 07, 2020, 09:55:35 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 07, 2020, 09:15:57 PM
I'm not opposed to a mutation or whatever, Dark Horse had been pumping stuff out like that for decades for better or worse (and that is often why I cite Alien: Resurrection as being a Dark Horse comic come to life)

Quote from: HuDaFuK on Dec 07, 2020, 09:46:23 PM
Besides, the Drones in Resurrection had bendy inner jaws.

Marvel's first release, and we've already come full circle. :D
Cant remember the inner jaw bending like on the picture in resurrection, to the side or up and down I know but its not bending, I gotta rewatch the movie now, but then again these arent true xenos but genetic faulty clones.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Dec 07, 2020, 10:08:27 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Dec 07, 2020, 09:58:56 PM
The bendy jaw! Brought to you by the fans of Crabators! 🦀

(https://i.ibb.co/K53QDhy/vnu-Zt-ZOr-Oxe-Ru4-W5v-ety-BWgsn-Ai-CEVDVw-EM2-Dv-DKE.jpg)
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Prez on Dec 07, 2020, 10:10:06 PM
Very good call. An ongoing series could be an interesting experience given we've never had that before.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Dec 07, 2020, 10:11:47 PM
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Dec 07, 2020, 10:08:27 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Dec 07, 2020, 09:58:56 PM
The bendy jaw! Brought to you by the fans of Crabators! 🦀

(https://i.ibb.co/K53QDhy/vnu-Zt-ZOr-Oxe-Ru4-W5v-ety-BWgsn-Ai-CEVDVw-EM2-Dv-DKE.jpg)

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/47/41/c0/4741c052d36c351fabed15399cfece17.gif)

Quote from: Kradan on Dec 07, 2020, 09:59:47 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Dec 07, 2020, 09:58:56 PM
The bendy jaw! Brought to you by the fans of Crabators! 🦀

Hey, I have nothing to do with it !

Alright. You're off the hook... for now...  ;)
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Kradan on Dec 07, 2020, 10:13:37 PM
Quote from: judge death on Dec 07, 2020, 10:07:44 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 07, 2020, 09:55:35 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 07, 2020, 09:15:57 PM
I'm not opposed to a mutation or whatever, Dark Horse had been pumping stuff out like that for decades for better or worse (and that is often why I cite Alien: Resurrection as being a Dark Horse comic come to life)

Quote from: HuDaFuK on Dec 07, 2020, 09:46:23 PM
Besides, the Drones in Resurrection had bendy inner jaws.

Marvel's first release, and we've already come full circle. :D
Cant remember the inner jaw bending like on the picture in resurrection, to the side or up and down I know but its not bending, I gotta rewatch the movie now, but then again these arent true xenos but genetic faulty clones.

Well, when Ripley tears one from dead Xeno's mouth it definetly bends
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: 426Buddy on Dec 07, 2020, 10:15:18 PM
Aside from the inner jaw, I absolutely love the cover.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Kradan on Dec 07, 2020, 10:16:54 PM
Quote from: 426Buddy on Dec 07, 2020, 10:15:18 PM
Aside from the inner jaw, I absolutely love the cover.

It looks cool, yeah. Coming out of the shadows, nice biomechanical details etc.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: judge death on Dec 07, 2020, 10:22:26 PM
Quote from: Prez on Dec 07, 2020, 10:10:06 PM
Very good call. An ongoing series could be an interesting experience given we've never had that before.
IS there a site where you can keep track of all comics/volumes in order for these kind of things? Because I tried to follow darth vader comics and star wars but is completely lost with marvel and which order to read them, most annoying is their darth vader: two comic series but uses the same namne, confuses the hell out of me.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: SiL on Dec 07, 2020, 10:24:14 PM
It goes flaccid after death but it doesn't twist like a snake while alive.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: SM on Dec 07, 2020, 10:26:04 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Dec 07, 2020, 09:46:23 PM
Interesting that it's got no subtitle and there's no mention of a number of issues - might this be an ongoing series?

As for the bendy jaw, when was the last time an Alien comic cover had any bearing on what actually happens inside? Besides, the Drones in Resurrection had bendy inner jaws.

It was dead.

And from memory there were Resistance and Rescue covers that presented stuff happening in the story.

That said I hope this is just the just the covers artists take (or it explained as part of the story).
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Russ840 on Dec 07, 2020, 10:32:07 PM
Larroca is a far cry from Land. Trust me.

I have consumed lots of his work and his tracing really only extends to his human characters to give them distinct facial features and build. He normally picks an actor to portray his characters.

Check out his Iron Man run and you will see he used Josh Holloway for his Tony Stark. He doesn't steal art.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Kradan on Dec 07, 2020, 10:38:25 PM
Quote from: SiL on Dec 07, 2020, 10:24:14 PM
It goes flaccid after death but it doesn't twist like a snake while alive.

(https://media1.tenor.com/images/e768d5629e588c2d5a3fdd09aaf4f6e9/tenor.gif?itemid=8385685)
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Nukiemorph on Dec 07, 2020, 10:54:45 PM
Quote from: judge death on Dec 07, 2020, 10:07:44 PM
Cant remember the inner jaw bending like on the picture in resurrection
About 45 seconds in. (But I chalk this up to the DNA mishmash from the cloning process. As far as we know, the xenos in every other movie couldn't do this.)
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: SM on Dec 07, 2020, 10:57:10 PM
Quote from: Russ840 on Dec 07, 2020, 10:32:07 PM
Larroca is a far cry from Land. Trust me.

I have consumed lots of his work and his tracing really only extends to his human characters to give them distinct facial features and build. He normally picks an actor to portray his characters.

Check out his Iron Man run and you will see he used Josh Holloway for his Tony Stark. He doesn't steal art.

I dunno if I really dig picking actors for comic characters.  Dan Abnett had a long list of actors that were to be used as inspirations for his Life & Death characters but explicitly said - don't use the actual actor.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: SiL on Dec 07, 2020, 10:59:25 PM
Doesn't tracing over an actor's image kind of ... defeat the purpose a little?

I understand if it's a time-saving measure to help comics have a snowball's chance in hell of hitting deadlines, but still feels a bit ... off.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Stitch on Dec 07, 2020, 11:00:44 PM
I'm interested in the story. Hate the bendy tongue though, and I'm hoping it's just the cover, and not the whole of the run.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 07, 2020, 11:01:24 PM
Yeah, if I pick up a comic I want to see... somebody's art. Not some actor or model's face that was traced.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: SM on Dec 07, 2020, 11:11:47 PM
I remember the old Star Wars Union comic that had Bruce Willis and Steve Buscemi.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: SuperiorIronman on Dec 07, 2020, 11:35:13 PM
It's probably just for the cover. I don't see this as indicative of Salvador Larroca's work and we've seen his Alien already from the variant covers. No indication of the tongue but it looks like he might go for the "drone".

(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1164/9704/products/STL175125_480x480.jpg?v=1607028411)


Quote from: judge death on Dec 07, 2020, 10:22:26 PM
Quote from: Prez on Dec 07, 2020, 10:10:06 PM
Very good call. An ongoing series could be an interesting experience given we've never had that before.
IS there a site where you can keep track of all comics/volumes in order for these kind of things? Because I tried to follow darth vader comics and star wars but is completely lost with marvel and which order to read them, most annoying is their darth vader: two comic series but uses the same namne, confuses the hell out of me.

Marvel Database keeps track of new releases as well as giving a plot summary of an issue or volume.

In the case of Darth Vader, the first series picks up after ANH, the second right after ROTS, and the current one is after ESB leading into ROTJ. The first and third series tie in a bit with the other books but aren't required reading.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: judge death on Dec 08, 2020, 12:10:22 AM
where can I find that database?
Ok that explains it a bit with how these darth vader comics are designed, confused me a lot.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 08, 2020, 12:21:52 AM
Yeah, one thing that bugs me about a lot of comics (be it superhero, Star Wars, etc.) is that the runs tend to be simply named after the lead character, and when a new creative team or a new run starts, the numbering often resets but there is no subtitle to differentiate runs. It makes it pretty confusing to get into stuff when there's a big backlog, if you haven't been following since day one.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: SuperiorIronman on Dec 08, 2020, 12:23:55 AM
Quote from: judge death on Dec 08, 2020, 12:10:22 AM
where can I find that database?
Ok that explains it a bit with how these darth vader comics are designed, confused me a lot.

The site is just called Marvel Database.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Dec 08, 2020, 12:52:25 AM
No, no, no, no!  No bendy tongue!  Egads!!

lol
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: judge death on Dec 08, 2020, 12:57:25 AM
I can only find a fandom page:
https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Darth_Vader_Vol_1_25#Appearing_in_.22Book_IV:_Coda.22
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Mr.Turok on Dec 08, 2020, 12:58:12 AM
Ehhhhh, the only time we see the second tongue is when it kills someone so it never ruled out if it can even bend in the first place. Oddly, it also adds a flavor of being demonically perverse, that same artistic vision of H.R Giger's of the alien being violent, sexual, unknown, and parasitic, kind of like a throwback to the scene where the alien tail was going up to Lambert's cooch right before it killed her. Other than that, I think its just art cover.

As for the "new breed", after Hive Wars with the red aliens and the tusk faced ones in those crystal caves, I doubt its going to be something that has negative impact to the lore. I expect something good if they are going to go bold and strong with that tag line, those are fighting words right there  :laugh:
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Dec 08, 2020, 01:00:25 AM
Alien Resurrection set the precedent for the bendy tongue.  It looked silly back then, and looks more so now.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Huggs on Dec 08, 2020, 01:02:46 AM
The more it's used, the more flexible it becomes.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Dec 08, 2020, 06:31:54 AM



Haven't listened to it yet: http://fanbasepress.com/index.php/audio/podcasts/the-fanbase-weekly/item/11466-fanbase-feature-an-exclusive-interview-with-writer-phillip-kennedy-johnson-on-crafting-the-first-alien-story-from-marvel-comics


Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 08, 2020, 06:36:48 AM
Haven't listened to it yet: http://fanbasepress.com/index.php/audio/podcasts/the-fanbase-weekly/item/11466-fanbase-feature-an-exclusive-interview-with-writer-phillip-kennedy-johnson-on-crafting-the-first-alien-story-from-marvel-comics

So from what I've listened to so far - sounds like the intent is it be an ongoing series with mini-arcs like any of the other Marvel titles. First arc seems to be under the working title of Bloodlines/Spring. Marvel seems to have been hands-off editorially with this one, with the only real thing being they wanted to replicate Aliens which Johnson pushed back on, and seems to be going for more of an Alien-vibe.


DNA reflex seems like it is coming into play here. But the original Big Chap is going to be represented. We'll see more Gigeresque design elements too.


Johnson considers this his best work.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: HuDaFuK on Dec 08, 2020, 09:02:46 AM
Sounds interesting.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Russ840 on Dec 08, 2020, 09:05:46 AM
I like that marvel have gone with 'ALIEN'.

Im very interested.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Drukathi on Dec 08, 2020, 09:56:29 AM
I definitely like the cover.

Quote from: Mr.Turok on Dec 08, 2020, 12:58:12 AM
Oddly, it also adds a flavor of being demonically perverse, that same artistic vision of H.R Giger's of the alien being violent, sexual, unknown, and parasitic, kind of like a throwback to the scene where the alien tail was going up to Lambert's cooch right before it killed her.

Yes. This. If the tongue is a kind of ovipositor, it will be great!
Although I think the flexible tongue is very soft and not capable of piercing a predator/marine helmet or even just a skull. Only soft tissues. Simply put - a flexible tongue looks soft, weak. But as I said - Alien can use the tongue to reproduce. Not for attack.
But with the art itself, everything is fine. I really like the style and the details. It seems that the artist respects the Alien.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: humanpredator on Dec 08, 2020, 12:22:19 PM
Cover art is gorgeous. Plot is small and simple.  Looking good.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: P1NK8C1DBOOTS on Dec 08, 2020, 12:49:42 PM
YESSSS!!! Excited to see where Marvel takes us!
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: judge death on Dec 08, 2020, 01:03:31 PM
The release in mars, will it be those small paperback issues or will it be those completed volumes with the whole story collected in one comic? PRefer the latter one as these trade backs arent my thing and they are way too short and takes much space so if thats the case I will wait until they release the whole story collected like dark horse did with defiance and all their series.

Just praying that wont mean I will miss something.

Also praying they wont break the lore and do the xeno stories for causual and childish type, artwork seem to indicate otherwise but we havent heard anything of the story or the gore art, plus that they dont break the lore and do whatever with the xenomorphs, prefer if they stick to what we know from the alien 1-3 movies and the dark horse comics, those that are canon that will say.

Just have to wait and see but if they keep tracing like they mention its a big turnoff for me.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Xiggz456 on Dec 08, 2020, 01:07:01 PM
f**k yes! Glad Marvel isn't wasting any time with the license! I'm cautiously optimistic but I like that the title is ALIEN singular. Also interested that the main protagonists are WY employees so I'm excited to see how that'll play out. As for Larroca he did a solid job on the Star Wars ongoing but as some have pointed out it was clear that he photoshopped the actors faces which was kind of weird looking (the original characters looked fine though). 2021 is already looking promising on the ALIEN side of things with 2 novels, the RPG extension and now this!
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Dec 08, 2020, 01:10:50 PM
Quote from: Russ840 on Dec 08, 2020, 09:05:46 AM
I like that marvel have gone with 'ALIEN'.

Im very interested.

Wait till you see 10 Aliens variants
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: HuDaFuK on Dec 08, 2020, 01:17:12 PM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Dec 08, 2020, 01:10:50 PMWait till you see 10 Aliens variants

Tbf they'll have to go some to outdo all the Archie vs. Predator II variants they put out.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Xiggz456 on Dec 08, 2020, 01:24:24 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 08, 2020, 06:31:54 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jrz8jHD6JqU


Haven't listened to it yet: http://fanbasepress.com/index.php/audio/podcasts/the-fanbase-weekly/item/11466-fanbase-feature-an-exclusive-interview-with-writer-phillip-kennedy-johnson-on-crafting-the-first-alien-story-from-marvel-comics


Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 08, 2020, 06:36:48 AM
Haven't listened to it yet: http://fanbasepress.com/index.php/audio/podcasts/the-fanbase-weekly/item/11466-fanbase-feature-an-exclusive-interview-with-writer-phillip-kennedy-johnson-on-crafting-the-first-alien-story-from-marvel-comics

So from what I've listened to so far - sounds like the intent is it be an ongoing series with mini-arcs like any of the other Marvel titles. First arc seems to be under the working title of Bloodlines/Spring. Marvel seems to have been hands-off editorially with this one, with the only real thing being they wanted to replicate Aliens which Johnson pushed back on, and seems to be going for more of an Alien-vibe.


DNA reflex seems like it is coming into play here. But the original Big Chap is going to be represented. We'll see more Gigeresque design elements too.


Johnson considers this his best work.

An ongoing with mini arcs sounds f**king awesome! And I think this kind of continuous story is best suited for a character who works within WY.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Kradan on Dec 08, 2020, 01:47:38 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Dec 08, 2020, 01:17:12 PM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Dec 08, 2020, 01:10:50 PMWait till you see 10 Aliens variants

Tbf they'll have to go some to outdo all the Archie vs. Predator II variants they put out.

(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/2026/1033/products/ap3b_large.jpg?v=1568742771)

I smell some tracing here

(https://external-preview.redd.it/TBS8LsPxoM1TNGxrXWh1G4RbZkzbOxvMQOdC4IPy9EQ.jpg?auto=webp&s=b3737120c421d8e4118764cc911bdb9b2709f0f9)
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Bug hunt wilson on Dec 08, 2020, 02:17:23 PM
Uncle marvel back at it again this time molsteing a new franchise but who knows It might be good I just not going to hold out hope so I can't be disspaonted no matter what
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Ultramorph on Dec 08, 2020, 02:53:20 PM
If they're doing mini-arcs I really hope we see WY deal with some non-xeno aliens at some point. I still want Arcturians, damnit! It's been like 6 years since they confirmed they are non-human and we still haven't seen one.  :laugh:
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Bug hunt wilson on Dec 08, 2020, 03:29:51 PM
 Didn't the avp wiki said arcturians are like ape men with amphibian organs or something I want some new creatures to but as long as there host for the xenomorphs at one point
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Ultramorph on Dec 08, 2020, 07:32:53 PM
Not really a spoiler, but Johnson about about the DNA reflex on Twitter and one bit made me happy:

Spoiler
https://twitter.com/phillipkjohnson/status/1336369368243036160?s=21 (https://twitter.com/phillipkjohnson/status/1336369368243036160?s=21)

Quoteboundless creativity regarding their design. A xeno that came from six unbroken generations of humans would look different than a xeno that had one generation of engineer in the mix, or even an ox, a dog, a snake or whatever. You'll see a new xeno in our book, too! (2/2)

It's nice that Engineers are at least on the mind of the writers. Not saying we'll see them anytime soon, but it's good to see them recognized as part of the lore.
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Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: judge death on Dec 08, 2020, 08:01:48 PM
Dunno what he means with xenomorphs who come six unbroken generations of humans means, xenomorphs dont have generations nor do humans change dna in generations, but well sounds like this xenomorph we get to have in the comic will just be born from a different creature than ox/human/space jockey then.

Because in canon and the 3 alien movies we know:
Facehugger + human: big chap and later warrior design.
facehugger + ox/dog: runner alien
facehugger + space enginner: what we saw int he comics.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Drukathi on Dec 08, 2020, 08:20:36 PM
I think six unbroken generations just means six films.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Dec 09, 2020, 08:16:26 AM
He could mean in terms of new Queens being born along those lines, and then laying the eggs and continuing on.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Dingbat on Dec 09, 2020, 09:28:15 AM
I never really had comics aside from the Beano, and I had a LOT of beanos, given that this is the first outing of the "new" stuff, I might get it and see how they fare!
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Whisperer on Dec 14, 2020, 08:50:17 PM
Art looks cool - apart from the alien's flimsy tongue 😂
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Kimarhi on Dec 15, 2020, 03:22:50 AM
Marvel got the LIMP DICK ALIEUMZ
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: HicksIsAlive on Dec 15, 2020, 10:45:46 PM
Quote from: Mr.Turok on Dec 08, 2020, 12:58:12 AM
Ehhhhh, the only time we see the second tongue is when it kills someone so it never ruled out if it can even bend in the first place. Oddly, it also adds a flavor of being demonically perverse, that same artistic vision of H.R Giger's of the alien being violent, sexual, unknown, and parasitic, kind of like a throwback to the scene where the alien tail was going up to Lambert's cooch right before it killed her.

I hated the idea of the bendy tongue since I saw it in Resurrection but you've made a really pertinent point there that could actually be used in a really interesting and Gigerly pertinent way. Would just seem a bit odd for them to start using the inner mouth so differently after all these years. Unless of course it's down to some DNA trickery of a new strand of Alien based on some other alien biology?
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: SM on Dec 16, 2020, 02:48:08 AM
The Alien spends some time flexing it's not at all floppy tongue on the Narcissus without killing anyone.

The Fiorina creature fires out the tongue after Dillon wrestles Kevin from it.

And that one on the Auriga used it to press a button.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: SiL on Dec 16, 2020, 04:22:17 AM
The original Alien's tongue looked like it was made out of bone. Nothing floppy about it.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Dec 16, 2020, 05:58:27 AM
Quote from: SiL on Dec 16, 2020, 04:22:17 AM
The original Alien's tongue looked like it was made out of bone. Nothing floppy about it.

As it should be.  Doubtless there will be a half dozen variant covers so hopefully some of them will avoid "tongue-gate".
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Nostromo on Dec 16, 2020, 03:50:51 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 07, 2020, 08:29:29 PM
So from what I'm gathering here, this seems like it is going to be an ongoing series, rather than a miniseries like we've been used to all all of Dark Horse's various runs.

That could be a good thing. Guess we'll find out.


Quote from: 426Buddy on Dec 07, 2020, 09:09:56 PM
Yeah I don't like the sound of new breed but ill give it a shot.

New breed? Great, back to dumb lol.


Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 07, 2020, 09:15:57 PM
Quote from: 426Buddy on Dec 07, 2020, 09:09:56 PM
Yeah I don't like the sound of new breed but ill give it a shot.

I'm not opposed to a mutation or whatever, Dark Horse had been pumping stuff out like that for decades for better or worse (and that is often why I cite Alien: Resurrection as being a Dark Horse comic come to life), but it just kind of baffles me that they want that to be the very first thing of theirs that people read. Especially with this being an ongoing, you'd think they'd be playing it a bit safer by having the first six issues would play out like a traditional Alien(s) story and then at the end of issue six tease this mutant thing to run through the next arc in issues 7-12.

This exactly. Defiance, Labyrinth and the like worked without 2 IQ mutant stories.


Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Dec 07, 2020, 09:58:56 PM
The bendy jaw! Brought to you by the fans of Crabators! 🦀

Other than that, this guy's excited! (Except the new breed of Xenomorphs makes me involuntarily flinch a bit.)

They had to bend the inner jaw...guess they never saw Alien...always a bad sign.


Quote from: Bug hunt wilson on Dec 08, 2020, 02:17:23 PM
Uncle marvel back at it again this time molsteing a new franchise but who knows It might be good I just not going to hold out hope so I can't be disspaonted no matter what

Lol.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Dec 16, 2020, 06:10:04 PM
It's bended before, onscreen and offscreen. In fact I remember H.R Giger lamenting how "tube like" the inner jaw became in it's practical form. Then went on to improve it in his own words with a tongue designed to push down your throat and pull your intestines out.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: HuDaFuK on Dec 17, 2020, 09:34:50 AM
Does the Alien not bend its jaw slightly after punching through Elgyn's chest in Resurrection, when it spits out the bit of gristle?
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: [cancerblack] on Dec 17, 2020, 12:38:27 PM
Pretty sure it does, although I'm sure the case will be made that they're hybrids and don't count.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Nukiemorph on Dec 17, 2020, 12:40:47 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Dec 17, 2020, 09:34:50 AM
Does the Alien not bend its jaw slightly after punching through Elgyn's chest in Resurrection, when it spits out the bit of gristle?
Quote from: David's Creation on Dec 07, 2020, 10:54:45 PM
About 45 seconds in. (But I chalk this up to the DNA mishmash from the cloning process. As far as we know, the xenos in every other movie couldn't do this.)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cq6N_gS3oXQ
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Xiggz456 on Dec 17, 2020, 06:28:40 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 08, 2020, 06:31:54 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jrz8jHD6JqU


Haven't listened to it yet: http://fanbasepress.com/index.php/audio/podcasts/the-fanbase-weekly/item/11466-fanbase-feature-an-exclusive-interview-with-writer-phillip-kennedy-johnson-on-crafting-the-first-alien-story-from-marvel-comics


Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 08, 2020, 06:36:48 AM
Haven't listened to it yet: http://fanbasepress.com/index.php/audio/podcasts/the-fanbase-weekly/item/11466-fanbase-feature-an-exclusive-interview-with-writer-phillip-kennedy-johnson-on-crafting-the-first-alien-story-from-marvel-comics

So from what I've listened to so far - sounds like the intent is it be an ongoing series with mini-arcs like any of the other Marvel titles. First arc seems to be under the working title of Bloodlines/Spring. Marvel seems to have been hands-off editorially with this one, with the only real thing being they wanted to replicate Aliens which Johnson pushed back on, and seems to be going for more of an Alien-vibe.


DNA reflex seems like it is coming into play here. But the original Big Chap is going to be represented. We'll see more Gigeresque design elements too.


Johnson considers this his best work.

Not gonna lie, listening to Johnson talk about this is getting me really excited for what he's bringing to the table! Thanks for sharing that podcast!
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 19, 2020, 07:55:43 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 08, 2020, 06:31:54 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 08, 2020, 06:36:48 AM
Haven't listened to it yet: http://fanbasepress.com/index.php/audio/podcasts/the-fanbase-weekly/item/11466-fanbase-feature-an-exclusive-interview-with-writer-phillip-kennedy-johnson-on-crafting-the-first-alien-story-from-marvel-comics

So from what I've listened to so far - sounds like the intent is it be an ongoing series with mini-arcs like any of the other Marvel titles. First arc seems to be under the working title of Bloodlines/Spring. Marvel seems to have been hands-off editorially with this one, with the only real thing being they wanted to replicate Aliens which Johnson pushed back on, and seems to be going for more of an Alien-vibe.

Totally missed this interview, but listening now and it seems like he's hitting a lot of notes that interest me. He has an interesting take on the prequel stuff, he actually likes Alien 3, is intrigued by Call/Autons in Alien: Resurrection despite not liking the film, and I appreciate that he pushed back a bit on the Aliens influence. I adore Aliens, it is a damn near film, but it shouldn't be the sole reference point of the series.

What I find most interesting, though, is that he's drawing from a well of Giger art outside of his Alien work as well...

I'm starting to feel a bit more optimistic about this comic than I had been.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Dec 20, 2020, 08:29:58 AM


Not watched yet, but another interview.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: skhellter on Dec 20, 2020, 06:14:29 PM
Relevant info he dropped:

- This is a new continuity in the Alien comics.
- Only Alien and Aliens matter for his story, as the writer isn't confident that any of the other movies will matter for the "canon" once the dust settles over at Disney.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Kimarhi on Dec 20, 2020, 07:02:05 PM
The above is kind of what I figured all along.




It will be telling if they can get Scott onboard the tv series as a producer though.  I think he wouldn't go for it if Prometheus and Covenant were nuked.


The only selling point I think Disney would have is if they promised Scott a redux on the movies because of the new continuity OR a different series for him to helm. 
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Dec 20, 2020, 07:36:47 PM
It seems like he was uncertain if Dark Horse continuity would remain/be ported over to Marvel, seemingly anticipating a retcon of everything after Aliens, and a returning character from Alien & Aliens??

Very excited to check out this comic and delve into our new Alien future!
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: skhellter on Dec 20, 2020, 07:38:10 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Dec 20, 2020, 07:36:47 PM
It seems like he was uncertain if Dark Horse continuity would remain/be ported over to Marvel, seemingly anticipating a retcon of everything after Aliens, and a returning character from Alien & Aliens?

Jonesy will feature heavily in the comic.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Dec 20, 2020, 07:53:22 PM
Purrhaps!

Waits for applause...
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Local Trouble on Dec 20, 2020, 08:34:39 PM
Quote from: skhellter on Dec 20, 2020, 06:14:29 PM
- Only Alien and Aliens matter for his story, as the writer isn't confident that any of the other movies will matter for the "canon" once the dust settles over at Disney.

;D
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: SM on Dec 20, 2020, 09:06:40 PM
I watched some of the interview.  I didn't get an overt 'new continuity' vibe, just a 'we're not going to link up with the Dark Horse continuity'.  Which generally means they'll tread all over it at some point and it'll be a new continuity.  The other thing I got is that the knowledge level was fairly superficial.  Which won't really be too much of an issue if he can tell a good story.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Kimarhi on Dec 20, 2020, 09:22:53 PM
If they are only talking about the DH continuity then that wouldn't matter anyways.  Shit got wrecked every year. 
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 20, 2020, 09:24:42 PM
It does bum me out that DH never once got to play around with prequel concepts outside of an AVP crossover event before they lost the license.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: SM on Dec 20, 2020, 09:40:27 PM
It was in too much flux to allow them to play around.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Dec 21, 2020, 02:57:23 AM
I'd be ok with retconning Covenant but keeping Prometheus.  Despite its shortcomings, I really do love that film.  The sheer grandeur of the whole thing is amazing.

Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Kimarhi on Dec 21, 2020, 04:15:27 AM
I'm the opposite.  I'd rather keep Covenant.


I personally can't stand Prometheus, its only saving grace was David.


And Noomi. 
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Kradan on Dec 21, 2020, 06:22:49 AM
Quote from: Kimarhi on Dec 21, 2020, 04:15:27 AM
I'm the opposite.  I'd rather keep Covenant

Yep, same
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Prez on Dec 21, 2020, 11:12:39 AM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Dec 21, 2020, 02:57:23 AM
I'd be ok with retconning Covenant but keeping Prometheus.  Despite its shortcomings, I really do love that film.  The sheer grandeur of the whole thing is amazing.

I'm with you. The grandiose ideas and visuals were great... flawed ... but ambitious nonetheless ... which is why it took me a while to warm up to covenant as it felt too small.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Stitch on Dec 21, 2020, 12:44:09 PM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Dec 21, 2020, 02:57:23 AM
I'd be ok with retconning Covenant but keeping Prometheus.  Despite its shortcomings, I really do love that film.  The sheer grandeur of the whole thing is amazing.
Prometheus, despite having the potential for a better film (as many fan edits show), is still far superior to Covenant in my opinion.

If it's 'near future', though, it might just retcon both.

EDIT:
Clearly I thought this was the thread about the new TV series. Point still stands, however. It might retcon both.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Kimarhi on Dec 22, 2020, 03:39:08 AM
Ugh.


If Scott wanted to make scifi epic alien exploration movie and not include the alien, he should've just started up another IP.


I don't know why so many people want him in the Alien franchise anymore when it is clear he's bored with it. 
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: HuDaFuK on Dec 22, 2020, 09:23:13 AM
Quote from: Kimarhi on Dec 22, 2020, 03:39:08 AMIf Scott wanted to make scifi epic alien exploration movie and not include the alien, he should've just started up another IP.

Tbf, he sort of tried that with Prometheus... before bottling it and having something pointlessly burst out of something else right at the end.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Dec 22, 2020, 01:54:15 PM
Quote from: Kimarhi on Dec 22, 2020, 03:39:08 AM
I don't know why so many people want him in the Alien franchise anymore when it is clear he's bored with it. 

Indeed. And that boredom shows (to me) in the last act of Covenant.

However, I wouldn't mind a episodic spinoff, either in comics or television. Say Guy Pierce as a young Weyland in pre-Goldmember makeup. More in line with the TED 2023 speech, etc. I would enjoy that. Or the chronicles of a synthetic that is not about creating the Xenomorph. Stop making the universe so darn small Ridley!
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Nukiemorph on Dec 22, 2020, 08:01:28 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 20, 2020, 08:29:58 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3F4iIlhA39o

Not watched yet, but another interview.
He describes how he doesn't think Alien 3 will be canon forever and how this book relies heavily on the first two movies.

The interviewer asks if we'll see any returning characters from those movies. He answers yes.

So unless the returning characters are the salvage crew, medical staff, boardroom execs, or Jonesy, it sounds like he's already going against Alien 3.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 22, 2020, 08:10:15 PM
I kind of just imagined the WY execs were who he was talking about anyways. They would make sense given the post-Aliens setting and the content of this particular story (and iirc, I think at least one of them was mentioned in The Cold Forge already).

It doesn't sound to me like he's going to be contradicting anything in Alien 3 here. Just that he's not going to explicitly acknowledge it, in case it doesn't stick, so that it doesn't "date" his story.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Dec 22, 2020, 08:20:04 PM
Quote from: David's Creation on Dec 22, 2020, 08:01:28 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 20, 2020, 08:29:58 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3F4iIlhA39o

Not watched yet, but another interview.
He describes how he doesn't think Alien 3 will be canon forever and how this book relies heavily on the first two movies.

The interviewer asks if we'll see any returning characters from those movies. He answers yes.

So unless the returning characters are the salvage crew, medical staff, boardroom execs, or Jonesy, it sounds like he's already going against Alien 3.

It certainly seems that way. One would guess he just can't announce precisely what he's doing yet - what that returning character is. Can't let the Jonesy out of the bag.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Local Trouble on Dec 22, 2020, 09:22:11 PM
Quote from: David's Creation on Dec 22, 2020, 08:01:28 PM
He describes how he doesn't think Alien 3 will be canon forever and how this book relies heavily on the first two movies.

The interviewer asks if we'll see any returning characters from those movies. He answers yes.

So unless the returning characters are the salvage crew, medical staff, boardroom execs, or Jonesy, it sounds like he's already going against Alien 3.

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmedia0.giphy.com%2Fmedia%2FUTFiHeDL8cOSA%2Fgiphy.gif&hash=16c64ea93a412f61d081d1b4396f6cdcff734a02)
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Ultramorph on Dec 22, 2020, 10:11:38 PM
I'm betting the character is another Bishop android or Charles Bishop Weyland.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Kimarhi on Dec 23, 2020, 12:49:06 AM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Dec 22, 2020, 09:23:13 AM
Quote from: Kimarhi on Dec 22, 2020, 03:39:08 AMIf Scott wanted to make scifi epic alien exploration movie and not include the alien, he should've just started up another IP.

Tbf, he sort of tried that with Prometheus... before bottling it and having something pointlessly burst out of something else right at the end.

But it wasn't really its own IP when the movie was promoted as having answers for the Alien franchise within.  He should've just had his own engineer story in it and left out everything else related to the franchise if that is what he wanted to do in the firstplace.  I like Scott, he's got four of my favorite movies of all time: Alien, Blade Runner, Black Hawk Down and Kingdom of Heaven, but he's weighing the progression of the franchise down. 



Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 23, 2020, 12:51:26 AM
Quote from: Kimarhi on Dec 23, 2020, 12:49:06 AM
He should've just had his own engineer story in it and left out everything else related to the franchise if that is what he wanted to do in the firstplace.

(https://decider.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/RAISED-BY-WOLVES-109-03.gif?w=640)
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Kimarhi on Dec 23, 2020, 12:54:47 AM
Yep.  I think RBW is probably the movie/series he had in his head all along. 



Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Xiggz456 on Dec 23, 2020, 01:21:21 PM
Quote from: Ultramorph on Dec 22, 2020, 10:11:38 PM
I'm betting the character is another Bishop android or Charles Bishop Weyland.

That's my guess as well.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Ultramorph on Dec 23, 2020, 02:43:21 PM
Marvel solicitations are up:

https://aiptcomics.com/2020/12/23/march-2021-marvel-comics-solicitations/ (https://aiptcomics.com/2020/12/23/march-2021-marvel-comics-solicitations/)

I was right, the character is

Spoiler
Bishop.

QuoteGabriel Cruz gave his life to Weyland-Yutani–In the case of an alien attack he barely survived, almost literally! Recently retired, Cruz is trying to patch things up with his abandoned son with the help of his friend, a Bishop-model android, but his re-entry into civilian life is not going smoothly...and his encounters with the deadly Xenomorph are far from over. Phillip Kennedy Johnson and Salvador Larroca team up to tell an all-new tale of the titan of horror and science fiction that has scared audiences for decades. No one is safe. No one is innocent. And no one can hear you scream.
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Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Xiggz456 on Dec 23, 2020, 03:21:16 PM
Quote from: Ultramorph on Dec 23, 2020, 02:43:21 PM
Marvel solicitations are up:

https://aiptcomics.com/2020/12/23/march-2021-marvel-comics-solicitations/ (https://aiptcomics.com/2020/12/23/march-2021-marvel-comics-solicitations/)

I was right, the character is

Spoiler
Bishop.

QuoteGabriel Cruz gave his life to Weyland-Yutani–In the case of an alien attack he barely survived, almost literally! Recently retired, Cruz is trying to patch things up with his abandoned son with the help of his friend, a Bishop-model android, but his re-entry into civilian life is not going smoothly...and his encounters with the deadly Xenomorph are far from over. Phillip Kennedy Johnson and Salvador Larroca team up to tell an all-new tale of the titan of horror and science fiction that has scared audiences for decades. No one is safe. No one is innocent. And no one can hear you scream.
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We called it! Wow 14 variant covers! Also I like that it's a 40 page issue!
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Dec 23, 2020, 03:49:28 PM
The solicitations also mention a ALIEN GRAPHIC COMIC BOX. Wonder if they're doing an Alien themed storage box.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 23, 2020, 04:04:52 PM
With 14 different variants, it might take a whole box just to store a complete collection of issue ones. :D
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: HuDaFuK on Dec 23, 2020, 04:26:54 PM
Quote from: Xiggz456 on Dec 23, 2020, 03:21:16 PMWow 14 variant covers!

:laugh:
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Dec 23, 2020, 04:31:02 PM
I wonder if any of the variants would use the Aliens title..
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Kradan on Dec 23, 2020, 05:08:32 PM
I dig one with a Queen head
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Xiggz456 on Dec 23, 2020, 05:59:30 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 23, 2020, 03:49:28 PM
The solicitations also mention a ALIEN GRAPHIC COMIC BOX. Wonder if they're doing an Alien themed storage box.

Pretty sure that's exactly what it is! Which is something I've been wanting for some time as all my A/P/AVP comics are in plain old comic storage boxes. They did a Conan themed box when they got that license so there's precedent.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Hunter-Killer on Dec 23, 2020, 06:46:23 PM
The take away from this is obtaining a sick alien comic box. The covers displayed here don't particularly excite me, but hopefully there's something stand out in the other...11 variants haha
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Nukiemorph on Dec 23, 2020, 07:03:47 PM
I don't see Greg Land listed on any of the variants.
Good.

Quote from: Ultramorph on Dec 23, 2020, 02:43:21 PM
I was right, the character is

Spoiler
Bishop.

QuoteGabriel Cruz gave his life to Weyland-Yutani–In the case of an alien attack he barely survived, almost literally! Recently retired, Cruz is trying to patch things up with his abandoned son with the help of his friend, a Bishop-model android, but his re-entry into civilian life is not going smoothly...and his encounters with the deadly Xenomorph are far from over. Phillip Kennedy Johnson and Salvador Larroca team up to tell an all-new tale of the titan of horror and science fiction that has scared audiences for decades. No one is safe. No one is innocent. And no one can hear you scream.
[close]
Also good.

I'm excited about the box, but there's no way I'm spending $70 on one issue to collect all the variants.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Russ840 on Dec 23, 2020, 07:17:15 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 23, 2020, 03:49:28 PM
The solicitations also mention a ALIEN GRAPHIC COMIC BOX. Wonder if they're doing an Alien themed storage box.

It is just that. A cardboard long box for storing comic issues.

They do themed ones all the time.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: danihr on Dec 23, 2020, 07:25:02 PM
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Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 23, 2020, 10:27:01 PM
Still pretty bummed about Salvador Larocca doing the art on this, though. :-\

(https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/c_fit,f_auto,g_center,pg_1,q_60,w_1165/wcgmr1pl6sqpehuams2j.png)
(https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/c_fit,f_auto,g_center,pg_1,q_60,w_1165/oasnqcwkl99mctjligfc.png)
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Xiggz456 on Dec 23, 2020, 10:45:16 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 23, 2020, 10:27:01 PM
Still pretty bummed about Salvador Larocca doing the art on this, though. :-\

(https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/c_fit,f_auto,g_center,pg_1,q_60,w_1165/wcgmr1pl6sqpehuams2j.png)
(https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/c_fit,f_auto,g_center,pg_1,q_60,w_1165/oasnqcwkl99mctjligfc.png)

We may see some of this with Bishop but Larroca is still a solid artist and has a very dynamic style that I think will work great for Alien.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Rhino Alien on Dec 24, 2020, 01:34:41 AM
You could look at each of these covers and know nothing about the story or plot; "hey, another generic Aliens comic" is what most people will think, not good for sales.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: HuDaFuK on Dec 24, 2020, 09:43:08 AM
Quote from: Rhino Alien on Dec 24, 2020, 01:34:41 AM
You could look at each of these covers and know nothing about the story or plot; "hey, another generic Aliens comic" is what most people will think, not good for sales.

Plenty of Dark Horse comics had covers that had nothing to do with the story inside.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Whiskeybrewer on Dec 24, 2020, 12:15:29 PM
Intrigued and kinda looking forward to it
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Xiggz456 on Dec 24, 2020, 12:40:06 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 20, 2020, 08:29:58 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3F4iIlhA39o

Not watched yet, but another interview.

So one thing Johnson mentioned was that he couldn't say anything about AVP right now but that Marvel does have plans to connect the three down the line. Which I'm not at all surprised about and actually looking forward to Marvel's take on the shared universe.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Dec 24, 2020, 01:04:06 PM
Quote from: Ultramorph on Dec 23, 2020, 02:43:21 PM
Marvel solicitations are up:

https://aiptcomics.com/2020/12/23/march-2021-marvel-comics-solicitations/ (https://aiptcomics.com/2020/12/23/march-2021-marvel-comics-solicitations/)

I was right, the character is

Spoiler
Bishop.

QuoteGabriel Cruz gave his life to Weyland-Yutani–In the case of an alien attack he barely survived, almost literally! Recently retired, Cruz is trying to patch things up with his abandoned son with the help of his friend, a Bishop-model android, but his re-entry into civilian life is not going smoothly...and his encounters with the deadly Xenomorph are far from over. Phillip Kennedy Johnson and Salvador Larroca team up to tell an all-new tale of the titan of horror and science fiction that has scared audiences for decades. No one is safe. No one is innocent. And no one can hear you scream.
[close]

Nice call Ultramorph!
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: El Pistolero on Dec 24, 2020, 01:27:22 PM
To be honest. The US Comic marked is very industiral. I realised it when I started reading frensh comics. They put much more time and heart in each album. In the US they pumping out issues and the quality doesn't matter anymore. The artists are always stressed to make it to the deadlines and more and more is copy and paste of artwork that already exists. I think these new Aliens Comics will make nothing different in any way.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 26, 2020, 05:11:47 PM
Quote from: Xiggz456 on Dec 23, 2020, 10:45:16 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 23, 2020, 10:27:01 PM
Still pretty bummed about Salvador Larocca doing the art on this, though. :-\

(https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/c_fit,f_auto,g_center,pg_1,q_60,w_1165/wcgmr1pl6sqpehuams2j.png)
(https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/c_fit,f_auto,g_center,pg_1,q_60,w_1165/oasnqcwkl99mctjligfc.png)

We may see some of this with Bishop but Larroca is still a solid artist and has a very dynamic style that I think will work great for Alien.

Even if it is just for the new Bishop model, I really don't want to see any of this at all honestly.

The fact that Giger's non-Alien art is going to factor into this book is incredibly exciting to me. The fact that it might turn out to just be traced Giger art? Not so exciting!
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Kailem on Dec 26, 2020, 05:32:41 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 26, 2020, 05:11:47 PM
Quote from: Xiggz456 on Dec 23, 2020, 10:45:16 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 23, 2020, 10:27:01 PM
Still pretty bummed about Salvador Larocca doing the art on this, though. :-\

(https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/c_fit,f_auto,g_center,pg_1,q_60,w_1165/wcgmr1pl6sqpehuams2j.png)
(https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/c_fit,f_auto,g_center,pg_1,q_60,w_1165/oasnqcwkl99mctjligfc.png)

We may see some of this with Bishop but Larroca is still a solid artist and has a very dynamic style that I think will work great for Alien.

Even if it is just for the new Bishop model, I really don't want to see any of this at all honestly.

(https://thumbs.gfycat.com/WanChubbyBluebottlejellyfish-max-1mb.gif)
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Dec 26, 2020, 05:43:53 PM
I'm personally very excited and just going at this as optimistic as I can be. :)
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Xiggz456 on Dec 26, 2020, 08:18:10 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 26, 2020, 05:11:47 PM
Quote from: Xiggz456 on Dec 23, 2020, 10:45:16 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 23, 2020, 10:27:01 PM
Still pretty bummed about Salvador Larocca doing the art on this, though. :-\

(https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/c_fit,f_auto,g_center,pg_1,q_60,w_1165/wcgmr1pl6sqpehuams2j.png)
(https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/c_fit,f_auto,g_center,pg_1,q_60,w_1165/oasnqcwkl99mctjligfc.png)

We may see some of this with Bishop but Larroca is still a solid artist and has a very dynamic style that I think will work great for Alien.

Even if it is just for the new Bishop model, I really don't want to see any of this at all honestly.

The fact that Giger's non-Alien art is going to factor into this book is incredibly exciting to me. The fact that it might turn out to just be traced Giger art? Not so exciting!

So now you're just assuming that everything will be traced  ??? come on dude you're coming across like you're just looking for
something to complain about. There's only one possible character that this can happen with meaning the rest of the characters (and the rest of each and every panel) will be original art.

What I'm more excited about is that we have an artist who met 54 consecutive monthly deadlines with the Star Wars ongoing. Meaning no more monthly delays between issues which Dark Horse was so notorious for.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Kradan on Dec 26, 2020, 08:27:01 PM
Quote from: Xiggz456 on Dec 26, 2020, 08:18:10 PM
What I'm more excited about is that we have an artist who met 54 consecutive monthly deadlines with the Star Wars ongoing. Meaning no more monthly delays between issues which Dark Horse was so notorious for.

But what about, you know

Spoiler
quality ?
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Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Xiggz456 on Dec 26, 2020, 08:38:03 PM
Don't worry he's a really good artist who brings a lot of movement to his panels which is perfect for comics!

(https://images.app.goo.gl/tiiR5tb2NhbGQu397)
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 26, 2020, 08:51:52 PM
I'm not looking for something to complain about. I'm complaining about things that I'm seeing that I don't like, and speculating based off of that. Obviously, I would absolutely love to be wrong. But we haven't seen a single panel of art for this project yet, and his past tracing habits are really all I have to go off of.

And I really don't care about delays, if it is in service of giving the involved parties more time to put their best work out there.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Xiggz456 on Dec 26, 2020, 09:10:02 PM
His past tracing habits of actors' faces leads you to speculate that he's going to trace everything is the leap that has me puzzled. In fact he doesn't even always use the photoshopped faces and draws his own on many a panel.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 26, 2020, 09:14:56 PM
Because even one instance of something like this is too much, honestly. If you're the artist hired to do a comic.... then do art for the comic. Marvel has Disney dollars, they can hire some really fantastic artists. They do it often. The comic I've obsessed the most over in the last few years (Silver Surfer Black) is a Marvel title, and the art there is gorgeous.

Between Larocca's history, the Greg Land Omnibus cover, and the copious amounts of traced artwork in Titan's 40th Anniversary art book... it is kind of hard to think differently. This has been the norm with Alien artwork as of late, and that honestly bums me out.

Like I said, I'd love to be wrong and I would love for this to be great. The synopsis of this comic sounds pretty good. I'm probably going to grab issue one. But I think my reservations right now make some sense and aren't just me complaining for the sake of it.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Dec 26, 2020, 09:16:21 PM
Quote from: Xiggz456 on Dec 26, 2020, 08:18:10 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 26, 2020, 05:11:47 PM
Quote from: Xiggz456 on Dec 23, 2020, 10:45:16 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 23, 2020, 10:27:01 PM
Still pretty bummed about Salvador Larocca doing the art on this, though. :-\

(https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/c_fit,f_auto,g_center,pg_1,q_60,w_1165/wcgmr1pl6sqpehuams2j.png)
(https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/c_fit,f_auto,g_center,pg_1,q_60,w_1165/oasnqcwkl99mctjligfc.png)

We may see some of this with Bishop but Larroca is still a solid artist and has a very dynamic style that I think will work great for Alien.

Even if it is just for the new Bishop model, I really don't want to see any of this at all honestly.

The fact that Giger's non-Alien art is going to factor into this book is incredibly exciting to me. The fact that it might turn out to just be traced Giger art? Not so exciting!

So now you're just assuming that everything will be traced  ??? come on dude you're coming across like you're just looking for
something to complain about. There's only one possible character that this can happen with meaning the rest of the characters (and the rest of each and every panel) will be original art.

What I'm more excited about is that we have an artist who met 54 consecutive monthly deadlines with the Star Wars ongoing. Meaning no more monthly delays between issues which Dark Horse was so notorious for.

I'll take delays any day if it means a superior product.  The original Aliens series was notoriously delayed and it was perfect!  I don't need my Aliens comics mass-manufactured.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Xiggz456 on Dec 26, 2020, 10:10:05 PM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Dec 26, 2020, 09:16:21 PM
Quote from: Xiggz456 on Dec 26, 2020, 08:18:10 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 26, 2020, 05:11:47 PM
Quote from: Xiggz456 on Dec 23, 2020, 10:45:16 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 23, 2020, 10:27:01 PM
Still pretty bummed about Salvador Larocca doing the art on this, though. :-\

(https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/c_fit,f_auto,g_center,pg_1,q_60,w_1165/wcgmr1pl6sqpehuams2j.png)
(https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/c_fit,f_auto,g_center,pg_1,q_60,w_1165/oasnqcwkl99mctjligfc.png)

We may see some of this with Bishop but Larroca is still a solid artist and has a very dynamic style that I think will work great for Alien.

Even if it is just for the new Bishop model, I really don't want to see any of this at all honestly.

The fact that Giger's non-Alien art is going to factor into this book is incredibly exciting to me. The fact that it might turn out to just be traced Giger art? Not so exciting!

So now you're just assuming that everything will be traced  ??? come on dude you're coming across like you're just looking for
something to complain about. There's only one possible character that this can happen with meaning the rest of the characters (and the rest of each and every panel) will be original art.

What I'm more excited about is that we have an artist who met 54 consecutive monthly deadlines with the Star Wars ongoing. Meaning no more monthly delays between issues which Dark Horse was so notorious for.

I'll take delays any day if it means a superior product.  The original Aliens series was notoriously delayed and it was perfect!  I don't need my Aliens comics mass-manufactured.

I'm quite confident that Larroca will do a fine job whilst still meeting deadlines.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 26, 2020, 10:30:39 PM
Thinking about Dead Orbit and how much I absolutely loved the art style there and honestly, I have zero qualms whatsoever about issues constantly getting delayed on that to give Stokoe the time to really do his thing.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: SM on Dec 26, 2020, 10:37:13 PM
I wasn't really aware of Larocca one way or the other but I was talking to someone the other day who is and went a looked him up, and, well, not impressed to say the least.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Kimarhi on Dec 27, 2020, 03:55:08 AM
SM when you gonna pitch your Alien story to Marvel?
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Kradan on Dec 27, 2020, 06:48:06 AM
He already did. It was too SMart for them
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Dec 28, 2020, 03:56:07 PM
It was an orgaSMic read.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Kradan on Dec 28, 2020, 04:24:17 PM
You can even call it phantaSMagoric
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: skhellter on Dec 28, 2020, 04:33:38 PM
(https://img.fireden.net/co/image/1453/54/1453546902771.jpg)

yea, Salvador's garbage.

This may end up being really well written but this guy's art is consistently laughable.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Xiggz456 on Dec 28, 2020, 07:12:46 PM
Well good thing art is completely subjective cuz I think we're going to see a solid comic book and I'm extremely excited with the writer/artist combo. Larroca's Star Wars run had such a cinematic feel to it and I for one loved it.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Nukiemorph on Dec 28, 2020, 07:52:00 PM
I haven't seen anyone mention this here, but Larroca's Marvel variant covers have been released for Marauders and X-Force:

(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1164/9704/products/STL175125_600x600.jpg?v=1607028411)(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1164/9704/products/STL175126_1024x1024.jpg?v=1607975735)

Proportions on the Marauders one are wonky, but I like the X-Force one for the most part. The only thing that stands out to me is the crotch of the alien getting shot by Cyclops. Looks like an action figure reference where he didn't bother to fill in the open leg joint.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 28, 2020, 08:35:24 PM
I wish Marvel didn't always try to go so photo-realistic with their licensed properties. Some of the best Alien material in comics has been the really stylized stuff, if you ask me.

(https://strangerworldsdotcom3.files.wordpress.com/2017/05/photo-may-02-8-37-41-pm.png)
(https://talesontheborder.files.wordpress.com/2015/09/aliens-salvation-4.jpg)
(https://pixelpopnetwork.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/aliens-inhuman-condition-page-1024x787.jpg)

There are definitely ways to pull of realistic well, of course...

(https://2.bp.blogspot.com/nnGCMxQ64ncKfSFb535QdmSNneQzfWDSLyfhTTzG-sZYLxs99Cnu-4Ryr0Wv0VvyS6KWdOcO3XDu3ANaaAMzG_vdC55UYy1xraP7bs3BTRK14SCk6iqajtG4NDTEKpGSejcuUroPGxI=s1600)

But with the exception of Sacrifice (pictured above) most of my favorite comics haven't really gone for "cinematic."
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: SiL on Dec 28, 2020, 09:33:40 PM
Quote from: David's Creation on Dec 28, 2020, 07:52:00 PM
I haven't seen anyone mention this here, but Larroca's Marvel variant covers have been released for Marauders and X-Force:

https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1164/9704/products/STL175125_600x600.jpg?v=1607028411(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1164/9704/products/STL175126_1024x1024.jpg?v=1607975735)

Proportions on the Marauders one are wonky, but I like the X-Force one for the most part. The only thing that stands out to me is the crotch of the alien getting shot by Cyclops. Looks like an action figure reference where he didn't bother to fill in the open leg joint.
That X Force one is just the MacFarlane Movie Maniacs Five Alien from different angles, with the mouth closed in one.

And that mouth looks awkward because that figures mouth doesn't close.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 28, 2020, 09:39:56 PM
I knew that one looked familiar, but I couldn't place the figure. I was combing through Neca figures for reference...
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: judge death on Dec 28, 2020, 09:40:17 PM
And the covers makes it look like the xenomorph will be just cannonfodder for the main marvel charachters that they will focus on I bet. :/
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 28, 2020, 09:42:34 PM
Quote from: judge death on Dec 28, 2020, 09:40:17 PM
And the covers makes it look like the xenomorph will be just cannonfodder for the main marvel charachters that they will focus on I bet. :/

The covers are just promotional variants. There aren't actually any crossover stories in the works (that we know of).

It doesn't bode well for the art of the proper Alien comic series, though...
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: judge death on Dec 28, 2020, 09:44:22 PM
Indeed, read on tristians twitter some other marvel artists are tracing stuff for the alien comics, not alien art this time but people and scenery etc and after seeing here the level of tracing and using xenomorph action figures and stuff its embarrasing level.....
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 28, 2020, 10:26:58 PM
It all sucks even more here because I'm actually pretty genuinely interested in the concepts that the writer of this comic has talked about in the interviews with him posted a few pages back.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Kimarhi on Dec 29, 2020, 03:38:15 AM
Everyone will have to wait and see.

Even Marvel comics runs of SW has had its ups and downs. 


Aliens did with DH, and Marvel will to.


Media is subjective, so ones trash is another treasure.  I have plenty of liked Aliens comics that were kind of panned on release but I enjoy them anyways. 
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: RidgeTop on Dec 29, 2020, 07:12:13 PM
Quote from: SiL on Dec 28, 2020, 09:33:40 PM
Quote from: David's Creation on Dec 28, 2020, 07:52:00 PM
I haven't seen anyone mention this here, but Larroca's Marvel variant covers have been released for Marauders and X-Force:

https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1164/9704/products/STL175125_600x600.jpg?v=1607028411(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1164/9704/products/STL175126_1024x1024.jpg?v=1607975735)

Proportions on the Marauders one are wonky, but I like the X-Force one for the most part. The only thing that stands out to me is the crotch of the alien getting shot by Cyclops. Looks like an action figure reference where he didn't bother to fill in the open leg joint.
That X Force one is just the MacFarlane Movie Maniacs Five Alien from different angles, with the mouth closed in one.

And that mouth looks awkward because that figures mouth doesn't close.

I think he's using NECA big chap there actually. At least for the one being held up by Colossus.

Quote from: skhellter on Dec 28, 2020, 04:33:38 PM
https://img.fireden.net/co/image/1453/54/1453546902771.jpg

yea, Salvador's garbage.

This may end up being really well written but this guy's art is consistently laughable.

This one is by Greg Land.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 29, 2020, 07:45:38 PM
Quote from: Kimarhi on Dec 29, 2020, 03:38:15 AM
Media is subjective, so ones trash is another treasure.  I have plenty of liked Aliens comics that were kind of panned on release but I enjoy them anyways.

Absolutely. I just hope if it is someone's trash, it is someone's trash that can stand on its own two feet without plagiarizing. :D
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: skhellter on Dec 29, 2020, 08:36:59 PM
Quote from: David's Creation on Dec 28, 2020, 07:52:00 PMLooks like an action figure reference where he didn't bother to fill in the open leg joint.

That's exactly what it is. Very noticeable with the head of the bottom alien. (you can even see that it's a NECA action figure.  :laugh:
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: SiL on Dec 29, 2020, 08:44:46 PM
Quote from: RidgeTop on Dec 29, 2020, 07:12:13 PM
Quote from: SiL on Dec 28, 2020, 09:33:40 PM
Quote from: David's Creation on Dec 28, 2020, 07:52:00 PM
I haven't seen anyone mention this here, but Larroca's Marvel variant covers have been released for Marauders and X-Force:

https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1164/9704/products/STL175125_600x600.jpg?v=1607028411(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1164/9704/products/STL175126_1024x1024.jpg?v=1607975735)

Proportions on the Marauders one are wonky, but I like the X-Force one for the most part. The only thing that stands out to me is the crotch of the alien getting shot by Cyclops. Looks like an action figure reference where he didn't bother to fill in the open leg joint.
That X Force one is just the MacFarlane Movie Maniacs Five Alien from different angles, with the mouth closed in one.

And that mouth looks awkward because that figures mouth doesn't close.

I think he's using NECA big chap there actually. At least for the one being held up by Colossus.
The legs are the exact pose of the MacFarlane, but it could be a coincidence.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: SpreadEagleBeagle on Dec 29, 2020, 10:21:07 PM
Oh goody... More comics with goofy-ass Aliens being used as punch-bag cannon fodder....yay...
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Dec 30, 2020, 12:03:12 AM
Quote from: David's Creation on Dec 28, 2020, 07:52:00 PM
The only thing that stands out to me is the crotch of the alien getting shot by Cyclops. Looks like an action figure reference where he didn't bother to fill in the open leg joint.

Good catch. Now I can't unsee it!  :laugh:

Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Dec 29, 2020, 10:21:07 PM
Oh goody... More comics with goofy-ass Aliens being used as punch-bag cannon fodder....yay...

Well, you can't be in a no-weapons maximum security prison forever or have unarmed protagonists forever. Eventually one must appreciate the weapons versus haunting swarm. :o
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Sabres21768 on Dec 30, 2020, 01:21:34 AM
Quote from: David's Creation on Dec 28, 2020, 07:52:00 PM
https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1164/9704/products/STL175125_600x600.jpg?v=1607028411(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1164/9704/products/STL175126_1024x1024.jpg?v=1607975735)

Proportions on the Marauders one are wonky, but I like the X-Force one for the most part. The only thing that stands out to me is the crotch of the alien getting shot by Cyclops. Looks like an action figure reference where he didn't bother to fill in the open leg joint.

Wow, it's a little obvious that this guy used Neca's Alien figure to draw his Aliens.


Quote from: SiL on Dec 28, 2020, 09:33:40 PM
Quote from: David's Creation on Dec 28, 2020, 07:52:00 PM
I haven't seen anyone mention this here, but Larroca's Marvel variant covers have been released for Marauders and X-Force:

https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1164/9704/products/STL175125_600x600.jpg?v=1607028411(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1164/9704/products/STL175126_1024x1024.jpg?v=1607975735)

Proportions on the Marauders one are wonky, but I like the X-Force one for the most part. The only thing that stands out to me is the crotch of the alien getting shot by Cyclops. Looks like an action figure reference where he didn't bother to fill in the open leg joint.
That X Force one is just the MacFarlane Movie Maniacs Five Alien from different angles, with the mouth closed in one.

And that mouth looks awkward because that figures mouth doesn't close.
Actually it's NECA's figure.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: SiL on Dec 30, 2020, 02:06:09 AM
Yeah I addressed that above.

EDIT

Looking at the Alien with the wonky crotch again, the problem is the whole lower body of the Alien is twisted away to the right of frame but the legs are still attached as though it's in line with the torso. What a wreck.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Whiskeybrewer on Dec 30, 2020, 02:12:48 AM
Is this going to be On Going?

or are Marvel doing Limited Series?
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: SpreadEagleBeagle on Dec 30, 2020, 07:29:35 AM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Dec 30, 2020, 12:03:12 AM
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Dec 29, 2020, 10:21:07 PM
Oh goody... More comics with goofy-ass Aliens being used as punch-bag cannon fodder....yay...

Well, you can't be in a no-weapons maximum security prison forever or have unarmed protagonists forever. Eventually one must appreciate the weapons versus haunting swarm. :o

...no need to turn the Aliens into cannon fodder shooting gallery target practice or slack-jawed whack-a-mole punching bags for the protagonists though.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Dec 30, 2020, 08:24:12 AM
Quote from: Whiskeybrewer on Dec 30, 2020, 02:12:48 AM
Is this going to be On Going?

or are Marvel doing Limited Series?

Seems to be an on-going. But on-going for how long, we don't know.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: judge death on Dec 30, 2020, 09:53:49 AM
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Dec 30, 2020, 07:29:35 AM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Dec 30, 2020, 12:03:12 AM
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Dec 29, 2020, 10:21:07 PM
Oh goody... More comics with goofy-ass Aliens being used as punch-bag cannon fodder....yay...

Well, you can't be in a no-weapons maximum security prison forever or have unarmed protagonists forever. Eventually one must appreciate the weapons versus haunting swarm. :o

...no need to turn the Aliens into cannon fodder shooting gallery target practice or slack-jawed whack-a-mole punching bags for the protagonists though.
Based on what Ive seen on marvel forums and videos etc most marvel fans are mostly looking forward to having their marvel charachters beating up xenomorphs, so if marvel want to earn money its easy to predict which route is the most profitable....
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Kradan on Dec 30, 2020, 11:54:12 AM
Immediate reaction: OH NO

Well, I hope they do that in crossovers (which are inevitable) and leave something more interesting for Alien-only series
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: SuperiorIronman on Dec 30, 2020, 04:03:41 PM
If anything it will run at least 6 issues. Long enough for a trade but short enough it could be written off as a mini if things don't go well. I'd expect at least 12 issues should it succeed.

Marvel crossovers are a given especially if Alien is successful. Aliens versus the Marvel Universe is a pretty obvious concept but don't expect it to be canon to any of the Alien stuff Marvel puts out. It'd just be a fun crossover should they do it. It alternatively could just be a cameo in a Marvel book or like Predator where a Predator is in the background in a Star Wars book. While I'd expect the crossovers to happen I don't think they'd take them seriously or have them happen anytime soon.

The only crossover I can see them doing anytime soon would be an AVP but I think that's probably an event they'd do inside a Predator book rather than an Alien comic.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Kradan on Dec 30, 2020, 06:18:44 PM
Quote from: SuperiorIronman on Dec 30, 2020, 04:03:41 PM
The only crossover I can see them doing anytime soon would be an AVP but I think that's probably an event they'd do inside a Predator book rather than an Alien comic.

Why so ?
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: SuperiorIronman on Dec 30, 2020, 07:12:29 PM
Quote from: Kradan on Dec 30, 2020, 06:18:44 PM
Quote from: SuperiorIronman on Dec 30, 2020, 04:03:41 PM
The only crossover I can see them doing anytime soon would be an AVP but I think that's probably an event they'd do inside a Predator book rather than an Alien comic.

Why so ?

I don't see that being a thing in Alien books since it doesn't seem clear what direction they're taking with Alien just yet. AVP is still relevant to Predator so if any book would do a one shot or an arc with Aliens I could see Predator doing it. But Alien I'm sure they'll keep its own thing until they work out what direction they're taking the franchise since I'd imagine this would tie into whatever is going on with the movies, TV, and whatever is going on with that game. Aliens I don't see handling Predators in its own book but I could see Aliens making an appearance in Predator media since Predator seems to acknowledge the crossovers where Alien doesn't as much. AVP being a thing would probably wait a few arcs for a crossover (assuming both brands did well) but really I feel it'd wait on Disney's next project to synergize with it which is common for Marvel to do. And if anything they probably should wait a year or two before any crossover anyways so the audience can build up hype and get the audience acclimated to the brand and characters.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: PraetorianX101 on Dec 30, 2020, 07:26:45 PM
Quote from: judge death on Dec 30, 2020, 09:53:49 AM
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Dec 30, 2020, 07:29:35 AM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Dec 30, 2020, 12:03:12 AM
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Dec 29, 2020, 10:21:07 PM
Oh goody... More comics with goofy-ass Aliens being used as punch-bag cannon fodder....yay...

Well, you can't be in a no-weapons maximum security prison forever or have unarmed protagonists forever. Eventually one must appreciate the weapons versus haunting swarm. :o

...no need to turn the Aliens into cannon fodder shooting gallery target practice or slack-jawed whack-a-mole punching bags for the protagonists though.
Based on what Ive seen on marvel forums and videos etc most marvel fans are mostly looking forward to having their marvel charachters beating up xenomorphs, so if marvel want to earn money its easy to predict which route is the most profitable....
I know it'd probably never happen, but I'd love it if they did what that old WildC.A.T.s/Alien crossover did where it depicted superheroes getting slaughtered and/or impregnated by the Aliens. As silly as Aliens with superpowers may sound, that fire-breathing Alien was pretty cool. ;D
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Kradan on Dec 30, 2020, 09:11:19 PM
Quote from: RidgeTop on Dec 29, 2020, 07:12:13 PM
Quote from: skhellter on Dec 28, 2020, 04:33:38 PM
https://img.fireden.net/co/image/1453/54/1453546902771.jpg

yea, Salvador's garbage.

This may end up being really well written but this guy's art is consistently laughable.

This one is by Greg Land.

I thought the same but backwards Google search claims its Salvador's. Go figure
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: EJA on Dec 30, 2020, 09:33:27 PM
I'm of two minds on Marvel doing crossovers with Alien and Predator. I don't think it'll happen anyhow.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Dec 30, 2020, 09:45:11 PM
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Dec 30, 2020, 07:29:35 AM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Dec 30, 2020, 12:03:12 AM
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Dec 29, 2020, 10:21:07 PM
Oh goody... More comics with goofy-ass Aliens being used as punch-bag cannon fodder....yay...

Well, you can't be in a no-weapons maximum security prison forever or have unarmed protagonists forever. Eventually one must appreciate the weapons versus haunting swarm. :o

...no need to turn the Aliens into cannon fodder shooting gallery target practice or slack-jawed whack-a-mole punching bags for the protagonists though.

Yeah, that's fair. There's a balance. It's important not to go too overboard.

Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 30, 2020, 10:06:04 PM
Quote from: Kradan on Dec 30, 2020, 09:11:19 PM
Quote from: RidgeTop on Dec 29, 2020, 07:12:13 PM
Quote from: skhellter on Dec 28, 2020, 04:33:38 PM
https://img.fireden.net/co/image/1453/54/1453546902771.jpg

yea, Salvador's garbage.

This may end up being really well written but this guy's art is consistently laughable.

This one is by Greg Land.

I thought the same but backwards Google search claims its Salvador's. Go figure

Some day Land will trace a Salvador piece that Salvador had already traced from a Land piece and the universe will implode into itself.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Babidi on Dec 30, 2020, 10:35:49 PM
Any news on the Predator: Original Screenplay adaptation please, do you think it'll be published at Marvel?
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Dec 30, 2020, 10:41:37 PM
Earth-426?

;-)
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Enjoy on Dec 31, 2020, 01:12:23 AM
Are digital moving comics a thing ?  A little motion in the action would be fun.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Dec 31, 2020, 10:26:14 AM
Quote from: Babidi on Dec 30, 2020, 10:35:49 PM
Any news on the Predator: Original Screenplay adaptation please, do you think it'll be published at Marvel?

As far as we know it's not happening. It's been written, so maybe Marvel will go forward with it? Is there any precedence for that with Star Wars?
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Kailem on Dec 31, 2020, 05:30:41 PM
It's a damn shame Dark Horse couldn't even get it out purely in trade or hardcover form before the end of the year. It would have been the perfect compliment to Alien: The Original Screenplay.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Dec 31, 2020, 06:11:41 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 31, 2020, 10:26:14 AM
Quote from: Babidi on Dec 30, 2020, 10:35:49 PM
Any news on the Predator: Original Screenplay adaptation please, do you think it'll be published at Marvel?

As far as we know it's not happening. It's been written, so maybe Marvel will go forward with it? Is there any precedence for that with Star Wars?

Well did they not adapt into comics ADF's Splinter of the Mind's Eye?  That was an alternate reality sequel to Star Wars right?


Actually it looks like it was first published by Dark Horse, but Marvel re-released it as "Legends".

Aliens Legends??
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 31, 2020, 07:09:29 PM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Dec 31, 2020, 06:11:41 PM
Aliens Legends??

Marvel is doing that already, in the form of the Omnibus.

As far as I'm aware, Marvel has absolutely no precedent of adapting old drafts (or any other non-canon media, for that matter) with their Star Wars comics. Any "Legends" material with a Marvel logo is actually just reprinted Dark Horse material.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Dec 31, 2020, 07:51:42 PM
Well, DH really did do something innovative with the recent A3 and alt Alien books.  Hopefully the entire industry takes notice.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 31, 2020, 08:27:53 PM
DH did something similar with Lucas' early Star Wars concept as well, not long before they lost the Star Wars license.

(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/Sh5BzH3yPrU/maxresdefault.jpg)
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jan 03, 2021, 06:29:17 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 31, 2020, 10:26:14 AMAs far as we know it's not happening. It's been written, so maybe Marvel will go forward with it? Is there any precedence for that with Star Wars?

Was the artwork finished though?

The most obvious reasons I can think of for it not coming out was a) Marvel wouldn't let DH publish anything that wasn't already ongoing, or b) the art wasn't complete and they figured it wasn't worth it.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jan 04, 2021, 10:13:02 AM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 31, 2020, 08:27:53 PM
DH did something similar with Lucas' early Star Wars concept as well, not long before they lost the Star Wars license.

(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/Sh5BzH3yPrU/maxresdefault.jpg)

It was the existence of this one that made me suggest doing these to Fox.

Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jan 03, 2021, 06:29:17 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 31, 2020, 10:26:14 AMAs far as we know it's not happening. It's been written, so maybe Marvel will go forward with it? Is there any precedence for that with Star Wars?

Was the artwork finished though?

The most obvious reasons I can think of for it not coming out was a) Marvel wouldn't let DH publish anything that wasn't already ongoing, or b) the art wasn't complete and they figured it wasn't worth it.

I honestly can't remember. I'm sure I talked about this with Jeremy but can't remember what that verdict was. I'll find out when I get to editing that one.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Jan 04, 2021, 01:01:05 PM
As with Alien, it would have been a wonderful bookend to the Predator Dark Horse era.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: EJA on Jan 05, 2021, 03:14:28 PM
It is a tragic loss.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jan 05, 2021, 08:24:20 PM
Via Arnaud Caron on the Weyland-Yutani Bulletin. From Previews.

(https://i.imgur.com/PYHANyy.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/DcNBj6B.jpg)
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: SiL on Jan 05, 2021, 10:01:39 PM
I'd bet a small amount of money you could find the reference image for that Alien mouth panel in Resurrection :D
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jan 06, 2021, 09:47:08 AM
It does look like it, doesn't it. Or possibly when Verheiden is taken in AVP.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: SiL on Jan 06, 2021, 10:55:48 AM
I say Res because they were glossier than their AvP counterparts.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: judge death on Jan 06, 2021, 11:13:14 AM
Its clearly based on alien resurrection photo. Lol more and more tracing :P
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: SM on Jan 06, 2021, 11:25:15 AM
I originally thought it was a quivery lip AvP Alien, but after having a look I think it could be a Resurrection job after all.

The hive in the panel above is defo traced from Aliens.  And am I missing something or does the Alien lack a head in that panel?
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Kradan on Jan 06, 2021, 11:51:06 AM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jan 06, 2021, 09:47:08 AM
It does look like it, doesn't it. Or possibly when Verheiden is taken in AVP.

I've thought of that scene in AvP too. When it unfolds its lips, right ?


Quote from: SM on Jan 06, 2021, 11:25:15 AM
I originally thought it was a quivery lip AvP Alien, but after having a look I think it could be a Resurrection job after all.

The hive in the panel above is defo traced from Aliens.  And am I missing something or does the Alien lack a head in that panel?

Yeah, WTF ?
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Xiggz456 on Jan 06, 2021, 01:37:17 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jan 05, 2021, 08:24:20 PM
Via Arnaud Caron on the Weyland-Yutani Bulletin. From Previews.

(https://i.imgur.com/PYHANyy.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/DcNBj6B.jpg)

Lovin the atmosphere!
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Nukiemorph on Jan 06, 2021, 05:07:40 PM
Yeah there's no way an alien head would be hidden from that angle in the top right panel... Maybe it has a smaller head.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Kailem on Jan 06, 2021, 06:57:46 PM
The atmosphere's great, but those awkward trace faces and missing Alien head doe.... :-\
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Whiskeybrewer on Jan 06, 2021, 07:01:04 PM
It doesnt fill me with an excess of hope
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Jan 06, 2021, 08:52:42 PM
How about an excess of whiskey?
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Nukiemorph on Jan 06, 2021, 11:09:00 PM
This is what pure terror looks like:

(https://i.imgur.com/8aN6nvP.png)

...How frustrating.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Kimarhi on Jan 07, 2021, 01:20:13 AM
If the motherf**kers would've properly shaved their face and followed AR 670-1 they wouldn't have been caught. 
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: 426Buddy on Jan 07, 2021, 02:00:35 AM
What am I seeing in those 3 little panels? Am I crazy or does it look like hooves?
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: SM on Jan 07, 2021, 05:43:58 AM
You ain't crazy.

And the faces do look a bit odd. If he's taken photos for reference then tweak them a bit so they don't look like reference photos.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Kradan on Jan 07, 2021, 07:52:45 AM
Quote from: David's Creation on Jan 06, 2021, 11:09:00 PM
This is what pure terror looks like:

https://i.imgur.com/8aN6nvP.png

...How frustrating.

I'm definetly scared
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Prez on Jan 08, 2021, 04:49:05 AM
Quote from: David's Creation on Dec 28, 2020, 07:52:00 PM
I haven't seen anyone mention this here, but Larroca's Marvel variant covers have been released for Marauders and X-Force:

https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1164/9704/products/STL175125_600x600.jpg?v=1607028411(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1164/9704/products/STL175126_1024x1024.jpg?v=1607975735)

Proportions on the Marauders one are wonky, but I like the X-Force one for the most part. The only thing that stands out to me is the crotch of the alien getting shot by Cyclops. Looks like an action figure reference where he didn't bother to fill in the open leg joint.


:D :D

WTF is this crap? I mean I indulged in the Superman/Batman/Green Lantern vs Alien comics but even those were pure cheese and a bit silly (understatement).
Anyway each to their own but this for me personally just degrades the whole Alien EU.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jan 08, 2021, 08:14:02 AM
Oooofffffff

QuoteMistakes in comics happen, as it's only natural that even top publishers such as Marvel Comics and DC Comics miss an error that makes its way into publications. It's human to err. But, in last month's Doctor Doom, artist Salvador Larroca seemingly accidentally forgot to remove a watermark to DeviantArt, which made it into the comic's printing.

https://screenrant.com/marvel-comics-error-deviant-art-canon-mistake/
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: RidgeTop on Jan 08, 2021, 08:24:44 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jan 08, 2021, 08:14:02 AM
Oooofffffff

QuoteMistakes in comics happen, as it's only natural that even top publishers such as Marvel Comics and DC Comics miss an error that makes its way into publications. It's human to err. But, in last month's Doctor Doom, artist Salvador Larroca seemingly accidentally forgot to remove a watermark to DeviantArt, which made it into the comic's printing.

https://screenrant.com/marvel-comics-error-deviant-art-canon-mistake/

Ughhh, come on Marvel, enough of this shit. Bad way to start with Alien.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: SM on Jan 08, 2021, 08:27:36 AM
f**ks sake.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: [cancerblack] on Jan 08, 2021, 08:34:04 AM
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/-kX14ZJl6c0/hqdefault.jpg)
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jan 08, 2021, 09:23:57 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jan 08, 2021, 08:14:02 AMOooofffffff

QuoteMistakes in comics happen, as it's only natural that even top publishers such as Marvel Comics and DC Comics miss an error that makes its way into publications. It's human to err. But, in last month's Doctor Doom, artist Salvador Larroca seemingly accidentally forgot to remove a watermark to DeviantArt, which made it into the comic's printing.

https://screenrant.com/marvel-comics-error-deviant-art-canon-mistake/

:laugh:
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: SiL on Jan 08, 2021, 09:29:19 AM
Good God that's... OK.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jan 08, 2021, 09:36:58 AM
Is this better or worse than Titan leaving all those editorial notes in the Burke story in Bug Hunt?
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jan 08, 2021, 09:45:05 AM
Worse, I reckon.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jan 08, 2021, 09:46:16 AM
Yeah, I guess there's the fact this is theft in addition to an editing blunder.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: judge death on Jan 08, 2021, 10:50:53 AM
Not surprised as marvel is well known for this practice, just look on the star wars comics where many ship designs are stolen from fans and artsites etc snd marvel then claims its their copyright.... and the amount of tracing that causaul readers wont notice....
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Whiskeybrewer on Jan 08, 2021, 11:31:20 AM
Jesus Christ
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Kradan on Jan 08, 2021, 12:47:13 PM
When the news of Marvel getting rights from DH to publish Alien comics came out I was trying to be hopeful, to stick to "wait and see" POV. But my guts were telling this isn't gonna end well. Now, with these lame looking previews and this - f**king ugh Marvel. I begin to hate you for what you're doing to my favourite movie monster. And I know you have resources to do better than that. Such indifference and it shines through
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: SuperiorIronman on Jan 08, 2021, 03:00:27 PM
So just heard that in Doctor Doom, Larroca used a Star Wars map off of Deviant Art and didn't even bother changing the names on the map. Just a clusterf**k of an error if legitimate.

I really don't know what it is with the Marvel Alien books getting this treatment. First Greg Land on that cover and now Larroca being so lazy he didn't even remove the watermark. Just kick him off Alien and use Ryan Stegman or Esad Ribic. I'm positive Joe Bennett would be a fantastic choice. But so far the Alien books just keep f**king this up. Hell, just hire Tristan Jones.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Jan 08, 2021, 03:38:21 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jan 08, 2021, 08:14:02 AM
Oooofffffff

QuoteMistakes in comics happen, as it's only natural that even top publishers such as Marvel Comics and DC Comics miss an error that makes its way into publications. It's human to err. But, in last month's Doctor Doom, artist Salvador Larroca seemingly accidentally forgot to remove a watermark to DeviantArt, which made it into the comic's printing.

https://screenrant.com/marvel-comics-error-deviant-art-canon-mistake/

Can't say this shocks me in literally any way imaginable. ::) Good job, Marvel...
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: [cancerblack] on Jan 08, 2021, 06:51:07 PM
Here's an oldie but a goodie, Venom: Space Knight using Dawn of War videogame models (the tan coloured vehicles). Presumably to dodge copyright (GW is one of the few organizations as litigious as Disney, or was at the time), but possibly through sheer laziness or incompetence, they also managed to scale up the main chassis by an order of magnitude or two, while leaving the drones (front), missile rack (top), access hatches (side), and engines (side, upper) in the original scale.

Marvel fans of the day assured me this was not an uncommon event.

(https://graphicpolicy.files.wordpress.com/2016/04/marvel-tau-1.jpg?resize=860%2C718)
(https://graphicpolicy.files.wordpress.com/2016/04/marvel-tau-2.jpg?w=860)
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Prez on Jan 09, 2021, 12:51:42 AM
Working in the creative industry for over 30 years now and yep this stuff does happen. Been down that road myself on previous projects (not watermarks but rather glaring mistakes that neither I, my creative director or client picked up). It is embarrassing at times.

That said hire a good proof reader/sub-editor before signing off is probably a good place to start?

Well this and a few other high profile blunders doesn't instil confidence in Marvel for me.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Jan 09, 2021, 01:49:21 AM
Get a more perceptive editor, sure, but maybe also get rid of artists that are notorious for doing this over and over and over again, too.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Jan 09, 2021, 02:58:06 AM
Look what these heartless lazy monsters did with my favorite Dawn of War civilization  >:( :'(

(https://s8.gifyu.com/images/gif-2b82c53e5956cffb1.gif)

They don't respect Alien, and apparently they've been doing this despicable modus operandi for eons.

~ Sigh ~
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Prez on Jan 09, 2021, 05:33:58 AM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jan 09, 2021, 01:49:21 AM
Get a more perceptive editor, sure, but maybe also get rid of artists that are notorious for doing this over and over and over again, too.

Good point.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: judge death on Jan 09, 2021, 07:21:55 AM
Getting a new editor wont solve the issue as it goes deeper as some say here, based on what I know from the star wars comics and articles of various artists tracing and stealing art and the confirmed cases here, its something marvel allows and the owners of marvel protects their artists doing this, almost like its a practice of theirs at the moment.

You dont see marvel firing their artists or demoting them etc but keeps them employed, and dont care if they are found out, nor does it seem they hire other artists but their inside artists, mostly.

Why this is is the question but well the art do look stunning so as long as their causual readers and comic fans that dont care about these things let alone about aliens franchise, and sells well, they wont change their aproach I reckon.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: SM on Jan 09, 2021, 10:50:11 AM
Free League nicked an illustration Darrell Curtis did for his Nostromo files website for the Chariot of the Gods adventure.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: SiL on Jan 09, 2021, 10:52:10 AM
I hear information from a certain site has been mined sans credit in the past too.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: SM on Jan 09, 2021, 11:29:49 AM
You know in all this since they copied Tristan's stuff I never actually thought of that.

Bloody CdL...
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: 426Buddy on Jan 09, 2021, 12:59:11 PM
So wtf is up with the hooves? Are we getting a bull alien or something :laugh:
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: judge death on Jan 09, 2021, 01:17:47 PM
Quote from: 426Buddy on Jan 09, 2021, 12:59:11 PM
So wtf is up with the hooves? Are we getting a bull alien or something :laugh:
Well they said it would be a new species of xenomorph so its probably something like that, not a fan of giving it hooves but seems its that.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jan 09, 2021, 01:21:03 PM
The Headless Bullien.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Kradan on Jan 09, 2021, 01:53:36 PM
I hope it's some random goat wandering in hive
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Whiskeybrewer on Jan 09, 2021, 05:55:39 PM
Quote from: Kradan on Jan 09, 2021, 01:53:36 PM
I hope it's some random goat wandering in hive

So a sequel to the Pig story then? lol
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Kailem on Jan 09, 2021, 06:25:11 PM
Now I'm wondering whether or not that foot may have been sourced from the shot in AVPR where the Predalien appears in the sewers the first time.

EDIT: Just checked a screenshot and no it's not. Might well be part of this "new breed" design then, as people have said.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: SM on Jan 09, 2021, 10:11:32 PM
Quote from: 426Buddy on Jan 09, 2021, 12:59:11 PM
So wtf is up with the hooves? Are we getting a bull alien or something :laugh:

The only thing I can think of is they're going for a Resurrection style foot with it walking on its toes.  Just executed badly.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Kradan on Jan 09, 2021, 10:18:03 PM
Maybe these aren't tubes - maybe these are horns

(https://i.imgur.com/PYHANyy.jpg)
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: judge death on Jan 09, 2021, 10:22:45 PM
Quote from: Kradan on Jan 09, 2021, 10:18:03 PM
Maybe these aren't tubes - maybe these are horns

(https://i.imgur.com/PYHANyy.jpg)
IF thats the case: RIP the xenomorph I knew and loved :/ Will look so horrible ugly.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Jan 09, 2021, 10:31:49 PM
Ears🐰

(https://i.ibb.co/Qjck8mt/1333840433-aggrobadger-09-easter-devlin.png)
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: cloverfan98 on Jan 10, 2021, 04:34:29 AM
With the exception of crossovers with other companies all the DH comics have been pulled from comixology. Pretty disappointing do you guys think there is any hope that they will be reuploaded? I believe thats what Marvel did with the old DH star wars series.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: SM on Jan 10, 2021, 06:13:35 AM
I would assume they'll be on Marvel Unlimited.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jan 10, 2021, 02:03:56 PM
Quote from: cloverfan98 on Jan 10, 2021, 04:34:29 AM
With the exception of crossovers with other companies all the DH comics have been pulled from comixology. Pretty disappointing do you guys think there is any hope that they will be reuploaded? I believe thats what Marvel did with the old DH star wars series.

We'll get them again when the Early Year Omnibuses come out.


Quote from: judge death on Jan 09, 2021, 10:22:45 PM
Quote from: Kradan on Jan 09, 2021, 10:18:03 PM
Maybe these aren't tubes - maybe these are horns

(https://i.imgur.com/PYHANyy.jpg)
IF thats the case: RIP the xenomorph I knew and loved :/ Will look so horrible ugly.

I'm fairly sure it's already been said we'd be seeing the traditional Aliens too.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Jan 10, 2021, 03:54:04 PM
Yeah and... this one will look like ugh... most likely.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Kailem on Jan 10, 2021, 06:28:59 PM
Here it is with a bit more clarity:

(https://mlpnk72yciwc.i.optimole.com/cqhiHLc.WqA8~2eefa/w:auto/h:auto/q:75/https://bleedingcool.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/21_3-0-1.jpg)
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Kradan on Jan 10, 2021, 06:39:48 PM
Looks slightly better. Slightly
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: cloverfan98 on Jan 10, 2021, 07:34:17 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jan 10, 2021, 02:03:56 PM
Quote from: cloverfan98 on Jan 10, 2021, 04:34:29 AM
With the exception of crossovers with other companies all the DH comics have been pulled from comixology. Pretty disappointing do you guys think there is any hope that they will be reuploaded? I believe thats what Marvel did with the old DH star wars series.

We'll get them again when the Early Year Omnibuses come out.


Quote from: judge death on Jan 09, 2021, 10:22:45 PM
Quote from: Kradan on Jan 09, 2021, 10:18:03 PM
Maybe these aren't tubes - maybe these are horns

(https://i.imgur.com/PYHANyy.jpg)
IF thats the case: RIP the xenomorph I knew and loved :/ Will look so horrible ugly.

I'm fairly sure it's already been said we'd be seeing the traditional Aliens too.

Do you know if the old Dark Horse Omnibuses and collections will be re uploaded or will I only be able to buy old DH works through the new Marvel Original Years books? I missed out on alot of collections and I'm really mad at myself for that.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: skhellter on Jan 11, 2021, 03:38:43 PM
Quote from: Kailem on Jan 10, 2021, 06:28:59 PM
Here it is with a bit more clarity:

(https://mlpnk72yciwc.i.optimole.com/cqhiHLc.WqA8~2eefa/w:auto/h:auto/q:75/https://bleedingcool.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/21_3-0-1.jpg)

Laughable. Artist even forgot to delete a few photoshop layers.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ErdicprW4AMZ2j8?format=png&name=240x240)
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Jan 11, 2021, 03:49:53 PM
Quote from: skhellter on Jan 11, 2021, 03:38:43 PM
Quote from: Kailem on Jan 10, 2021, 06:28:59 PM
Here it is with a bit more clarity:

(https://mlpnk72yciwc.i.optimole.com/cqhiHLc.WqA8~2eefa/w:auto/h:auto/q:75/https://bleedingcool.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/21_3-0-1.jpg)

Laughable. Artist even forgot to delete a few photoshop layers.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ErdicprW4AMZ2j8?format=png&name=240x240

I'm hoping in regards to the source of this image, that is where the spine of the book lies, and thus is a scan/photoshop snafu versus an artist/editor error.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Kailem on Jan 11, 2021, 06:23:26 PM
Yeah this image was a combination of two individual pages to create this splash and whoever did it didn't line them up too well, so that shouldn't be the case in the actual comic.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: skhellter on Jan 11, 2021, 08:01:54 PM
watch it be the exact same.  :D
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: SiL on Jan 11, 2021, 08:45:35 PM
It's not like that in that printed version. That misalignment goes up the whole page (look at the neck of the frame above it), and from the image of the printed version that's not even where the spine is. It looks like whoever threw together that composite just didn't align them properly.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: [cancerblack] on Jan 11, 2021, 09:28:43 PM
So the hooves have been discussed, but I haven't seen anyone mention the centipede legs on the facehugger tails.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Kradan on Jan 11, 2021, 09:47:01 PM
 :o
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: SM on Jan 11, 2021, 09:54:28 PM
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Jan 11, 2021, 09:28:43 PM
So the hooves have been discussed, but I haven't seen anyone mention the centipede legs on the facehugger tails.

...

Goddamnit...
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: SiL on Jan 11, 2021, 09:55:47 PM
I just thought they were spikes. Adding spikes to Aliens is New Alien Breed 101.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: [cancerblack] on Jan 11, 2021, 09:59:24 PM
Quote from: SiL on Jan 11, 2021, 09:55:47 PM
I just thought they were spikes. Adding spikes to Aliens is New Alien Breed 101.

Yeah, they could be quills of some kind.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Jan 11, 2021, 10:09:18 PM
I'm still pretty shocked that Marvel opted to go for a "new strain of Alien" type story for their very first arc.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Jan 11, 2021, 10:43:43 PM
Quote from: skhellter on Jan 11, 2021, 08:01:54 PM
watch it be the exact same.  :D

Hah  :laugh: , no, I don't think something like that would be missed by an Editor on such a landmark comic.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: judge death on Jan 11, 2021, 11:48:09 PM
What have they done to my xenos?! :( facehuggers has hundreds of legs now -.-
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: SiL on Jan 12, 2021, 12:00:42 AM
Adding spikes and extra legs to facehuggers and Aliens in general is by no means new.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: [cancerblack] on Jan 12, 2021, 12:01:08 AM
Quote from: judge death on Jan 11, 2021, 11:48:09 PM
What have they done to my xenos?! :( facehuggers has hundreds of legs now -.-

(https://i.imgur.com/0PI9f1W.jpg)
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: judge death on Jan 12, 2021, 12:09:43 AM
first time I can relate to David xD
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jan 12, 2021, 08:53:57 AM
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Jan 12, 2021, 12:01:08 AMhttps://i.imgur.com/0PI9f1W.jpg

:laugh:
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: EJA on Jan 12, 2021, 09:47:52 PM
There have long been different varieties of Aliens. I don't think it's much of an issue.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: SM on Jan 12, 2021, 10:18:52 PM
If there's some context for this - all good.

It's not exactly exciting me thus far though.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Nukiemorph on Jan 13, 2021, 03:25:20 AM
I'm sure there will be context.

At the risk of getting verbally lynched, I'll say that I'm digging the centipede legs...
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: judge death on Jan 13, 2021, 05:29:47 AM
That the xenomorph adults take traits from the hosts isnt new but the facehuggers and eggs and the royal lines dont, so seeing facehuggers like this goes against everything I´ve seen in the past so they better have a very good explanation unless they wanna break the lore.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Jan 13, 2021, 09:36:52 AM
It's creepy in concept though it also looks like more of a hindrance than a help, I'm unsure with regards to the new type, on one hand if it's done with talent I can appreciate it but judging by the rest of the art does not fill me with hope.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: [cancerblack] on Jan 13, 2021, 07:13:17 PM
Quote from: EJA on Jan 12, 2021, 09:47:52 PM
There have long been different varieties of Aliens. I don't think it's much of an issue.

It isn't. Although the hooves are slightly comical imo.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Kradan on Jan 13, 2021, 07:51:54 PM
If we're going by Alien 3 AC - does Runner have any hooves ?  I doubt it
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Jan 13, 2021, 07:59:59 PM
It does, only partially hidden underneath the hands, and feet.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Kradan on Jan 13, 2021, 09:10:14 PM
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/66/02/16/660216ca05d9a9a9ba3f2c37f9bb6c43.jpg)

Hmm, I guess it does. Dammit, that's a bad precedence
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Nukiemorph on Jan 13, 2021, 10:52:36 PM
To be fair, the facehugger that lead to that alien was born of a queen that burst from a human Hadley's Hope colonist.

Maybe it would have hooves/paws if that human DNA wasn't part of the equation... or even if the human DNA was further back in the lineage.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: SM on Jan 13, 2021, 10:54:50 PM
It has toes in Alien 3 - not hooves.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Jan 13, 2021, 11:04:33 PM
Truthfully it's got both, if you look at the underside of the rod puppet, it's got hooves covered by something resembling phalanges.

If you zoom in on the picture above, it is surprisingly obvious, I'm also sure other examples exist.

Such as on the various renditions.

(https://www.thepropgallery.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/f9b1b3b86a055a9d42aacc5a91a21a11/a/l/alien3-rod-bts_02.jpg)

You can see them clearly here.

Spoiler

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/6yycmUfDYO8W-jesHU7CMwe8VBc6ZWGDbJhNpl1fOMKdt-zdUOuQUEQ4XGnKG189kRmz8Hbiza4nahc7P9d-9awNmCX_uqBue3QqO3B2snV6BqSn0QiiFgN7yFn_nqVmFLYOmVsO7vg7rYJzFaeZK5iWQsk)

(https://thumbs.worthpoint.com/zoom/images1/1/0308/30/rare-original-alien-3-rod-puppet-head-prop_1_70169de4202211b67e37fb490de71aad.jpg)

(https://www.thepropgallery.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/f9b1b3b86a055a9d42aacc5a91a21a11/a/l/alien33heascr_1.jpg)

It's also startlingly clear to me that the AVP  Requiem head shape's based on this here. That the AVP head's in part based upon.
[close]

So it does have hooves but the immutable Alien form overrides that and grows fingers/toes ontop of them anyway, the truth being in the films, the DNA reflex's just not as dramatic as lots believe.

No ridiculous bull horns for example.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: SiL on Jan 13, 2021, 11:17:55 PM
It has toes shaped into hooves. The Alien in the comic just has hooves.

AvPR's head shape was just taking off the dome of the AvP Aliens. It's how ADI did the skull since Alien3.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Jan 13, 2021, 11:29:05 PM
*Over hooves.

But yes generally speaking.

It's particularly obvious in the bluescreen photo above.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: SiL on Jan 14, 2021, 12:10:35 AM
I don't think those are hooves, I think those are part of the puppet.

(https://alienseries.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/901174_433268816792922_333563086_o.jpg)
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Jan 14, 2021, 11:01:55 AM
I don't think it matters what the suit's feet look like as we never see them in the film itself because in nearly all instances it's digitally replaced with the digitgrade legs from the rod puppet. I don't know what to tell you honestly. I think it's clear as day it's got hooves underneath the mostly decorative feet.

(https://news.toyark.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/4/2019/11/Ultimate-Alien-3-Dog-Alien-026.jpg)

(https://news.toyark.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/4/2019/11/Ultimate-Alien-3-Dog-Alien-028.jpg)

(https://news.toyark.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/4/2019/11/Ultimate-Alien-3-Dog-Alien-030.jpg)

(https://news.toyark.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/4/2019/11/Ultimate-Alien-3-Dog-Alien-032.jpg)

(https://news.toyark.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/4/2019/11/Ultimate-Alien-3-Dog-Alien-014.jpg)

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fen.kotobukiya.co.jp%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2016%2F09%2FSV160_ap_dogalien4-800x534.jpg&hash=a794fc3ed48a98b87289bc2a4dfd682927c0e9c3)

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fen.kotobukiya.co.jp%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2016%2F09%2FSV160_ap_dogalien5-800x534.jpg&hash=6b720b46b6086a11dde804be018257a5fb541928)

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fen.kotobukiya.co.jp%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2016%2F09%2FSV160_ap_dogalien6-800x534.jpg&hash=58f5689adef93c46677fa02d5888ce3616aa3784)

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fen.kotobukiya.co.jp%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2016%2F09%2FSV160_ap_dogalien8-800x534.jpg&hash=97d06c636bb1e0850644c057c0a0c16c3a3b59f7)

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fen.kotobukiya.co.jp%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2016%2F09%2FSV160_ap_dogalien9-800x534.jpg&hash=7715c541a984fa0aa36044553b9d5a9e22d4a3fe)

(https://news.toyark.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/4/2020/10/Hiya-Alien-3-Dog-Alien-Figure-004.jpg)

(https://news.toyark.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/4/2020/10/Hiya-Alien-3-Dog-Alien-Figure-003.jpg)

(https://news.toyark.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/4/2020/10/Hiya-Alien-3-Dog-Alien-Figure-002.jpg)

(https://news.toyark.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/4/2020/10/Hiya-Alien-3-Dog-Alien-Figure-001.jpg)
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Kradan on Jan 14, 2021, 11:10:29 AM
To be honest, i've noticed Runner's "hooves" long before these Marvel previews - I just forgot all about it. But what I like about them in that particular design is that they're not over-emphasized, they're not obvious. I like that one day you just look at it and suddenly thought comes into your mind: "Huh, Runner's feet kinda look like hooves. Never noticed it before . Neat"
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Drukathi on Jan 14, 2021, 12:02:37 PM
Runner's feet don't look like hooves anyway! I don't even understand how one could think so. This type of walking is called - digitigrade. And that's exactly what xeno went with after Alien 3. Whereas xeno in Alien and Aliens is plantigrade.
Although hooves are an evolution from toe walking (digitigrade), it is incorrect to say that the Runner has hooves. Because cats and dogs, for example, are digitigrade (I myself did not notice how ideally "dog" is applied to the Runner.). But in no case do they have hooves. And marvelmorph has a classic hooves. It is clearly seen that this is not a high/short foot or toe walking. A horse or a goat.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Kradan on Jan 14, 2021, 12:04:25 PM
Man, look up the images posted above. If it's not hooves it's definetly was made to look hooves-like
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Drukathi on Jan 14, 2021, 12:05:24 PM
I'm sure your cat has hooves too.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Kradan on Jan 14, 2021, 12:18:46 PM
I don't have cat
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jan 14, 2021, 12:21:45 PM
Quote from: Drukathi on Jan 14, 2021, 12:05:24 PM
I'm sure your cat has hooves too.

Cats don't have hooves.

The (many) images posted of the Runner literally show hooves amalgamated into the design of the feet.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Kradan on Jan 14, 2021, 12:23:28 PM
(https://media1.tenor.com/images/8f161b8964ccc500c58a590b82d9e16a/tenor.gif?itemid=9222847)
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Drukathi on Jan 14, 2021, 12:25:13 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jan 14, 2021, 12:21:45 PM
The (many) images posted of the Runner literally show hooves amalgamated into the design of the feet.

Read&Learn.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plantigrade (Big Chap & Warrior)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digitigrade (Alien 3, AR and Stompy)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ungulate (marvelmorph and your hoovies).
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jan 14, 2021, 12:27:06 PM
So your argument is to try and apply real-world biology to a design for a completely fictional alien creature (with acid for blood) rather than.... look at a photo?

OK.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Jan 14, 2021, 12:28:20 PM
Funnily enough, the top post on r/LV426 at the minute: https://www.reddit.com/r/LV426/comments/kwp9l3/say_what_you_want_about_alien_3_but_the_runners/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

He's not even applying the terms correctly:
Plantigrade versus digitgrade's a whole other thing though, that refers to the way a creature walks, not the anatomy itself.

Plantigrade:
adjective
(of a mammal) walking on the soles of the feet, like a human or a bear.


Digitgrade:
adjective
(of a mammal) walking on its toes and not touching the ground with its heels, as a dog, cat, or rodent.



It's nothing to do with what I'm pointing out that's most obvious here:

(https://i.imgur.com/gCXlAtB.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/alpS7A2.png)

Any yeah, it's totally got hooves underneath the decorative phalanges, you might ask if it comes from an animal with no fingers or toes why does the Alien have them?

So does the Facehugger, within every single Egg, irrespective of the host. 
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Drukathi on Jan 14, 2021, 12:31:54 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jan 14, 2021, 12:27:06 PM
So your argument is to try and apply real-world biology to a design for a completely fictional alien creature (with acid for blood) rather than.... look at a photo?

OK.

Photo shows digitigrade example. And it looks like real animals. In any case - it doesn't look like hooves, whatever it is. Or are you going to call an alien creature with acid instead of blood as a hoofed animal? Is this your argument?
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Jan 14, 2021, 12:40:22 PM
Yes primarily it is a digitgrade creature instead of a plantigrade creature, like the Alien designs from Covenant, Alien Isolation and Resurrection.

But it's also obviously got hooves in addition to that.

As everyone can see.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Drukathi on Jan 14, 2021, 12:45:59 PM
I would be satisfied with a photo from a film. Not figurines.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jan 14, 2021, 12:46:23 PM
Quote from: Drukathi on Jan 14, 2021, 12:31:54 PMPhoto shows digitigrade example. And it looks like real animals.

I'll restate:

It's a fictional alien creature; it bleeds acid and gestates inside human beings; it radically changes its biology and appearance depending on its host - it's already total bullshit as far as real-world biology goes. Saying it can't have something like a hoof on its foot because it wouldn't make sense on Earth is a completely null and void argument.

Especially when photos literally show it had something like a hoof on its foot.

Quote from: Drukathi on Jan 14, 2021, 12:31:54 PMOr are you going to call an alien creature with acid instead of blood as a hoofed animal? Is this your argument?

I don't believe I said that. I said part of its foot looks quite hoof-inspired. Others seemingly think so too.

Given how the Alien famously takes physical traits from its host, as I just mentioned, including some bovine traits (from the original Ox host) in the design makes sense.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Drukathi on Jan 14, 2021, 12:49:26 PM
It doesn't make sense with a dog.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jan 14, 2021, 12:51:27 PM
So now we're blaming the effects team for not being able to tell the future and know the host was going to be changed at the 11th hour...?
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Drukathi on Jan 14, 2021, 12:53:07 PM
These are your words. Not mine.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: 426Buddy on Jan 14, 2021, 01:08:01 PM
Quote from: Drukathi on Jan 14, 2021, 12:49:26 PM
It doesn't make sense with a dog.

You already know that they didn't change to the dog until late in production so you have the answer to your own question.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: SiL on Jan 14, 2021, 01:20:31 PM
Quote from: Fiendishly Inventive on Jan 14, 2021, 11:01:55 AM
I don't think it matters what the suit's feet look like as we never see them in the film itself because in nearly all instances it's digitally replaced with the digitgrade legs from the rod puppet. I don't know what to tell you honestly. I think it's clear as day it's got hooves underneath the mostly decorative feet.
In no instances is it digitally replaced. Half of the models you show have toes compressed into an evocative shape, not literal hooves.

And in any case this isn't what's shown in the comic, where is just a complete hoof with no hint of toes or the usual foot structure.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Jan 14, 2021, 01:32:50 PM
It does make sense in the only version that matters in my opinion as, it is birthed from an Ox, and here's photography from the film rod puppet:

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(https://www.dangerousuniverse.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/2665-0001.jpg)
The Rod Puppet in Peter Jackson's private collection.

(https://monsterlegacy.files.wordpress.com/2015/07/alien3rodpuppetcunninghamsculptin.jpg)

(https://monsterlegacy.files.wordpress.com/2015/07/alien3rodpuppetmakingof.jpg)

(https://monsterlegacy.files.wordpress.com/2015/07/alien3rodpuppet34.jpg)

(https://monsterlegacy.files.wordpress.com/2015/07/alien3rodpuppetback.jpg)

(https://monsterlegacy.files.wordpress.com/2015/07/alien3rodpuppetso.jpg)

(https://monsterlegacy.files.wordpress.com/2015/07/alien3rodpuppetin.jpg)

(https://monsterlegacy.files.wordpress.com/2015/07/alien3rodpuppetenese.jpg)

(https://monsterlegacy.files.wordpress.com/2015/07/alien3fincherwithpuppet.jpg)

Credit to:
https://monsterlegacy.net

Quote from: SiL on Jan 14, 2021, 01:20:30 PM
Quote from: Fiendishly Inventive on Jan 14, 2021, 11:01:55 AM
I don't think it matters what the suit's feet look like as we never see them in the film itself because in nearly all instances it's digitally replaced with the digitgrade legs from the rod puppet. I don't know what to tell you honestly. I think it's clear as day it's got hooves underneath the mostly decorative feet.
In no instances is it digitally replaced. Half of the models you show have toes compressed into an evocative shape, not literal hooves.

And in any case this isn't what's shown in the comic, where is just a complete hoof with no hint of toes or the usual foot structure.

Perhaps not digital in the strictest sense but it is actually replaced once I can recall off the top of my head in the brief wide shot when it's in the process of killing Boggs with his legs kicking. Basically in any instance we see it's feet. It's the rod puppet.

You're right, figurative hooves, but still hooves in any case just like it's got figurative hands.

But at no point did I say it's what's shown in the new Marvel title. My point's we have viewed hooves incorporated into an Alien design before. In a more subtle way that does not look like absolute shit.

Most likely it will also have tacked on horns or something resembling them in some way.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: SiL on Jan 14, 2021, 01:48:41 PM
You can't see the underside of the puppets feet because the rods are in the way. That's why I said it's probably not meant to be hooves, but rather the mounting point for the rods. The sculpt is of toes shaped into points to resemble hooves, rather than hooves with fake toes on top like you suggested.

And the legs still weren't digitally replaced. The film's compositing work was photochemical and the only cg shot was the cracks on the dome originally. I don't remember seeing its legs during Boggs and Rains deaths but will check.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jan 14, 2021, 01:52:43 PM
Yeah, as far as I'm aware the only shots in which the Runner is digital are the shot of its head cracking and possibly the shot of it fleeing the Ox corpse in the extended cut (I've never been clear on whether they just erased the puppeteers operating the full-size puppet from the original footage or whether they did a complete CG Bambiburster on a clean background plate for that shot).
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Jan 14, 2021, 02:01:02 PM
Quote from: SiL on Jan 14, 2021, 01:48:40 PM
You can't see the underside of the puppets feet because the rods are in the way. That's why I said it's probably not meant to be hooves, but rather the mounting point for the rods. The sculpt is of toes shaped into points to resemble hooves, rather than hooves with fake toes on top like you suggested.

I suppose that's a fair take, but for the photo it's originally being sculpted in and in the one of it's current state in Peter Jackson's private collection, I think the inside of the legs and feet show hooves for all intents and purposes.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: judge death on Jan 14, 2021, 06:10:07 PM
I wouldnt call those feet as hoves per say but alien foot which has traits of it from the host, like the aliens warriors who had the fingers molted into tre fingers instead of six, I think its the same here with the feet, its toes but they are shaped together to make a mass that some might see as hooves looking from certain angles, its toes and claws on it is still able to climb on walls with ease, which I doubt those hooves we see the one in the comic has, will be able to.

Far from being as perfect as the normal xenos are in my opinion and damn ugly looking.
Alien 3 runners feet in comparison still has the xenomorph look to it and feel, done with class, this one: not so much.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: [cancerblack] on Jan 14, 2021, 06:42:49 PM
Quote from: judge death on Jan 14, 2021, 06:10:07 PM
which I doubt those hooves we see the one in the comic has, will be able to.

Just you wait, it'll be clip-clopping along the ceiling soon enough.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: judge death on Jan 14, 2021, 06:44:24 PM
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Jan 14, 2021, 06:42:49 PM
Quote from: judge death on Jan 14, 2021, 06:10:07 PM
which I doubt those hooves we see the one in the comic has, will be able to.

Just you wait, it'll be clip-clopping along the ceiling soon enough.
And then it breaks all sense of realism.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Kradan on Jan 14, 2021, 06:47:10 PM
Like there was any doubt
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: [cancerblack] on Jan 14, 2021, 08:17:04 PM
Quote from: judge death on Jan 14, 2021, 06:44:24 PM
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Jan 14, 2021, 06:42:49 PM
Quote from: judge death on Jan 14, 2021, 06:10:07 PM
which I doubt those hooves we see the one in the comic has, will be able to.

Just you wait, it'll be clip-clopping along the ceiling soon enough.
And then it breaks all sense of realism.

Yes.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: SM on Jan 14, 2021, 10:13:56 PM
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Jan 14, 2021, 06:42:49 PM
Quote from: judge death on Jan 14, 2021, 06:10:07 PM
which I doubt those hooves we see the one in the comic has, will be able to.

Just you wait, it'll be clip-clopping along the ceiling soon enough.

:laugh:
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jan 23, 2021, 02:37:43 PM
Some more of the covers - https://www.facebook.com/perfectorganism/posts/3702146593199720
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Kradan on Jan 23, 2021, 03:06:45 PM
Ok, where these were traced from this time ?  Is it me or that left one looks like one of Dust to Dust covers ?
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Nukiemorph on Jan 23, 2021, 07:33:40 PM
This one?

(https://d2lzb5v10mb0lj.cloudfront.net/covers/600/30/3002584.jpg)

Similar, but doesn't look traced to me.

I like the cryotube cover.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jan 23, 2021, 07:34:48 PM
Quote from: David's Creation on Jan 23, 2021, 07:33:40 PMI like the cryotube cover.

Yeah. Pretty creepy.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Kradan on Jan 23, 2021, 07:35:17 PM
And tongue doesn't bend ! YAY  :D
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: judge death on Jan 23, 2021, 11:45:46 PM
Finally two good covers and not too much referenced, although its weird to see the covenant alien on one cover :S
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jan 25, 2021, 04:19:49 PM
Skottie Young's variant cover. Via Ross Hutchinson on Building Better Worlds.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Kradan on Jan 25, 2021, 05:23:42 PM
 :D
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jan 25, 2021, 08:35:21 PM
https://twitter.com/PhillipKJohnson/status/1353795060689731587?s=19
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Jan 25, 2021, 08:37:53 PM
Well that sounds promising!
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: judge death on Jan 25, 2021, 09:01:11 PM
Sounds like any pr talk ever, I am sceptical until I read it and from what ive seen so far I doubt it will and rather do the opposite.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: SM on Jan 25, 2021, 10:33:41 PM
They seem to be going to great lengths to generate bad faith with all this tracing bullshit.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Local Trouble on Jan 25, 2021, 11:10:32 PM
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmedia4.giphy.com%2Fmedia%2FKx0njO4XtZSG1e3AiT%2Fgiphy.gif&hash=8a9335051957ca42dbd9d84b39de2f7d14d3a603)
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: EJA on Jan 28, 2021, 05:58:58 PM
I wonder if the Predators and/or Aliens will turn up in Squadron Supreme's universe?
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Kailem on Jan 29, 2021, 08:24:13 PM
Wasn't that destroyed a few years ago in the lead-up to the Secret Wars event? Or has it since returned?
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: EJA on Jan 30, 2021, 04:35:33 PM
Quote from: Kailem on Jan 29, 2021, 08:24:13 PM
Wasn't that destroyed a few years ago in the lead-up to the Secret Wars event? Or has it since returned?

I think there are others.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jan 31, 2021, 05:15:07 PM
https://www.facebook.com/scottscollectablespage/photos/a.157934438213341/769519643721481/
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: 426Buddy on Jan 31, 2021, 06:07:47 PM
I like that one, very nice.

-edit- wtf it's another trace job? I think Marvel is just trolling us now. >:(
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Kradan on Jan 31, 2021, 06:25:14 PM
It's Isolation one, isn't it ?

(https://scontent-iev1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/145007408_769519647054814_9186874871521982296_n.jpg?_nc_cat=105&ccb=2&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=udo8qtQlwZcAX8kIdPk&_nc_ht=scontent-iev1-1.xx&oh=5514544393d1b80364552febc1401491&oe=603C0A44)

(https://assets.rockpapershotgun.com/images/2020/01/coldest-monsters-list-3-alien-isolation.jpg)



Quote from: 426Buddy on Jan 31, 2021, 06:07:47 PM
I like that one, very nice.

-edit- wtf it's another trace job? I think Marvel is just trolling us now. >:(

Pretty much. They've just read all of judge death's posts and decide "f**k these guys"  ;D
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: judge death on Jan 31, 2021, 06:48:12 PM
its the isolation alien poster picture yep.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: RidgeTop on Jan 31, 2021, 07:06:03 PM
Comparison pic by Michael Scudieri

(https://scontent-sjc3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/144821889_10220549971794179_8000239467534998085_n.jpg?_nc_cat=104&ccb=2&_nc_sid=dbeb18&_nc_ohc=MWrVobVq0dwAX9BUgxn&_nc_ht=scontent-sjc3-1.xx&oh=7a0fe2e28eac07ef06a24c04c0f24c58&oe=603C006F)

I get using reference, and Stompy is great reference. But at least get him from an angle that wasn't used in mass marketing if you must directly reference. Better to use reference as a starting point for your own look though. Not sure if this was free-hand or another trace-job.

Stompy was obviously the reference for the Thicker Than Blood comic Alien but all of the poses and angles looked original.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Kradan on Jan 31, 2021, 08:24:26 PM
Thicker Than Blood Alien was gorgeous. I wish he wasn't that blue though
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Jan 31, 2021, 09:28:25 PM
Hahahahahaha
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: SM on Feb 01, 2021, 01:02:26 AM
Quote from: RidgeTop on Jan 31, 2021, 07:06:03 PM
Comparison pic by Michael Scudieri

(https://scontent-sjc3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/144821889_10220549971794179_8000239467534998085_n.jpg?_nc_cat=104&ccb=2&_nc_sid=dbeb18&_nc_ohc=MWrVobVq0dwAX9BUgxn&_nc_ht=scontent-sjc3-1.xx&oh=7a0fe2e28eac07ef06a24c04c0f24c58&oe=603C006F)

I get using reference, and Stompy is great reference. But at least get him from an angle that wasn't used in mass marketing if you must directly reference. Better to use reference as a starting point for your own look though. Not sure if this was free-hand or another trace-job.

Stompy was obviously the reference for the Thicker Than Blood comic Alien but all of the poses and angles looked original.

Not exactly the same, but so close it might as well be.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Feb 01, 2021, 02:52:22 AM
Quote from: RidgeTop on Jan 31, 2021, 07:06:03 PMBetter to use reference as a starting point for your own look though.

That seems to be the most respectable way.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Feb 01, 2021, 11:17:59 PM
Marvel artists tracing:

(https://derpicdn.net/img/view/2013/6/10/344810.gif)
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Feb 01, 2021, 11:40:04 PM
A Marvel artist caught clopping?
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Kradan on Feb 02, 2021, 06:11:53 AM
noway
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: [cancerblack] on Feb 02, 2021, 07:16:13 AM
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Feb 01, 2021, 11:40:04 PM
A Marvel artist caught clopping?

You'd be horrified to learn how many professional artists and animators moonlight as pornographers.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Kradan on Feb 02, 2021, 09:25:33 AM
Can you blame them though ?
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Feb 02, 2021, 10:04:32 AM
No I blame capitalism.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Xiggz456 on Feb 02, 2021, 01:03:11 PM
I get everyone wanting one of a kind art (I do too!) but being married to a professional artist I know how prevalent it is for artists to use a reference photo to varying degrees including tracing (which surprisingly was even encouraged during her art school days by painting professors who say it's just another tool at an artists disposal). Ultimately it comes down to time with most artists; do you put in 50-100 hours for an original piece or put in 10 hours on a piece that you used a reference photo for? Especially once we're talking comics and you need a quick turnaround the answer is easy because there is no way you'll be fairly compensated for the hours put in on the original piece. Obviously there are exceptions but even in art galleries you'd be surprised at how many pieces are traced to get the base outline and then the artist fills in the rest.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Feb 02, 2021, 01:32:35 PM
Pay your artists more and give them time.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Kradan on Feb 02, 2021, 03:42:59 PM
That's not how business works. Must unfortunate. It's all about getting your product out as quickly as possible
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: judge death on Feb 02, 2021, 04:52:59 PM
Dark horse dont have that working ethics for the major part. Especielly 2000AD wont ever allow tracing and only do unique art for their series, dark justice book with the return of the dark judges took 4 years to finish the art for!
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Feb 02, 2021, 06:43:44 PM
Quote from: Kradan on Feb 02, 2021, 03:42:59 PM
That's not how business works. Must unfortunate. It's all about getting your product out as quickly as possible

Bullshit, look at Image and Dark Horse.

Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Kradan on Feb 02, 2021, 06:46:10 PM
And who is bigger and more financially successful company ?
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Feb 02, 2021, 07:01:50 PM
Diamond's the winner overall because of holding a stranglehold monopoly over the industry for so bloody long.
https://www.theguardian.com/books/2020/apr/20/great-depression-will-comic-books-survive-coronavirus-marvel-cuts

But while Marvel and DC routinely profit more on single issues they don't often have the reader retention DH and Image inspire.

And Image makes far more through trades than any of the others. And DH's getting along fine far as I am aware.

QuoteImage Comics titles have garnered both comics and mainstream critical acclaim. Image Comics titles boast multiple award nominations and wins across all categories in the Eisner Awards, Hugo Awards, Russ Manning Awards, The Edgar Awards, Bram Stoker Awards, Young Adult Library Association's Great Graphic Novels for Teens, and more. Image Comics' title list includes domestic and international bestsellers with regular appearances on The New York Times bestseller list, The Washington Post's bestseller list, USA Today's bestseller list, the Amazon.com bestseller list, and more.

In July 2018, Marjorie Liu won the Eisner Award for Best Writer for her work on Monstress, making her the first woman in history to win in the category.

In April 2019, Image Comics titles received a total 30 Eisner Award nominations—more than any other nominated publisher—and made history as the first publisher to sweep the Best New Series category, with all six titles nominated published by Image.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Kradan on Feb 02, 2021, 07:40:29 PM
OK, my point is that getting your product out quickly and with questionable quality has nothing to do with creative side of making comics
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Mr.Turok on Feb 02, 2021, 08:12:25 PM
Quote from: Trash Queen on Feb 02, 2021, 01:32:35 PM
Pay your artists more and give them time.
How I wish this was the standard..... :'(
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Feb 02, 2021, 09:02:01 PM
Quote from: Kradan on Feb 02, 2021, 07:40:29 PM
OK, my point is that getting your product out quickly and with questionable quality has nothing to do with creative side of making comics

Incorrect.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Kradan on Feb 02, 2021, 09:08:58 PM
Ugh, whatever
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: judge death on Feb 02, 2021, 09:36:55 PM
Gives me more reasons why to not support marvel and support avatar, dark horse and 2000AD who makes stunning art and pays their artist well. The dark justice book have near photorealistic art, as the artist said: tried to do a horror movie quality in his art, looks damn stunning :D
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Prez on Feb 02, 2021, 10:39:53 PM
Quote from: Trash Queen on Feb 02, 2021, 06:43:44 PM
Quote from: Kradan on Feb 02, 2021, 03:42:59 PM
That's not how business works. Must unfortunate. It's all about getting your product out as quickly as possible

Bullshit, look at Image and Dark Horse.

One thing to remember is that Image have full creator ownership. The onus is on the creators to produce quality and probably with far more unique artistic license too. Marvel and DC are pretty much major production lines. It's about quantity to them. You'll find in most creative businesses that the bigger you are the more it becomes about the bottom line, profit margins, production efficiency .... which usually also means you'll take the shortest route to the biggest return.

I say this simply from working within that industry for over 30 years too.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Feb 02, 2021, 11:45:25 PM
I understand but that's why I cited both Image and Dark Horse.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: SM on Feb 03, 2021, 12:34:41 AM
I'd take Stokoe's "unrealistic" style over Larocca's tracing.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 03, 2021, 12:47:08 AM
Yep, same. I don't know what Marvel's (and other publishers, too) aversion is to stylized art in licensed comics. Not everything has to be so photorealistic. Let artists work in some interesting and unique styles, if the style happens to suit the story being told.

That is one thing that I'll give Dark Horse credit on for sure, and it shows in works like Dead Orbit, Salvation, and a myriad of other titles.

Give me this:

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/kxRQ2CGpGunsGZoTWHNwdpcaF1W9haq5Q1gymUuakooGEnfWuq36rmVlPeK0h7tDUNfFzb_GgCNm51_Zq0xK55N-Of4FInqiAsH5C1wz7J_bLqK7IpbhDdI3h6OD)

Over this:

(https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/LOOk7ZwW51wTfByi6CnOh7DbmJM=/1400x0/filters:no_upscale()/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/10076871/Screenshot_2018_01_22_10.43.25.png)

Any day of the week.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: judge death on Feb 03, 2021, 12:50:29 AM
Dead orbit was great :D
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: 426Buddy on Feb 03, 2021, 12:50:33 AM
Amen
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 03, 2021, 01:00:30 AM
Aye, it really is. I bought myself a copy of the oversized Dead Orbit hardcover after the Marvel announcement dropped. Wanted to make sure I could scoop one before they went out of print. 8)
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Xiggz456 on Feb 03, 2021, 01:17:14 AM
I joined these boards because of "Dead Orbit" and I agree that it and "Salvation" are two of best and have their own distinct art styles which are among my favorites but I also love "Destroying Angels" , "Thicker than Blood", and "Nightmare Asylum" which have a more realistic art style. Ultimately I care more for the story being told regardless of the art style employed.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Prez on Feb 03, 2021, 03:22:13 AM
Quote from: SM on Feb 03, 2021, 12:34:41 AM
I'd take Stokoe's "unrealistic" style over Larocca's tracing.

Any day of the week.


Quote from: Xiggz456 on Feb 03, 2021, 01:17:14 AM
I joined these boards because of "Dead Orbit" and I agree that it and "Salvation" are two of best and have their own distinct art styles which are among my favorites but I also love "Destroying Angels" , "Thicker than Blood", and "Nightmare Asylum" which have a more realistic art style. Ultimately I care more for the story being told regardless of the art style employed.

Mike Mignola is probably close to my favourite comic artist (and writer) of all time. His simplistic style and use of black shadowing is just magnificent - it's the main reason I got into Hellboy 2 decades ago and now own pretty much every single thing they've published.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Nukiemorph on Feb 03, 2021, 03:39:43 AM
Honestly, I like realism.

I don't like things looking like an anime.

I don't really give a shit about tracing as long as it's decently implemented, isn't stealing another artist's work, and isn't this god damn image:
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/avp2004-promo-001.jpg)
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: SM on Feb 03, 2021, 05:06:49 AM
Ye gods that bloody picture...
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Russ840 on Feb 03, 2021, 08:54:27 AM
For anyone interested in James Stokoe.  His next project is called 'Orphan and the Five Beasts'.

It starts in March and is published by Dark Horse.

It's a Kung Fu story and sounds great.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Xiggz456 on Feb 03, 2021, 12:13:09 PM
Quote from: Russ840 on Feb 03, 2021, 08:54:27 AM
For anyone interested in James Stokoe.  His next project is called 'Orphan and the Five Beasts'.

It starts in March and is published by Dark Horse.

It's a Kung Fu story and sounds great.

Already on my pull list!  ;D

His Godzilla stories are being reprinted too for those that are interested.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Russ840 on Feb 03, 2021, 01:59:47 PM
Quote from: Xiggz456 on Feb 03, 2021, 12:13:09 PM
Quote from: Russ840 on Feb 03, 2021, 08:54:27 AM
For anyone interested in James Stokoe.  His next project is called 'Orphan and the Five Beasts'.

It starts in March and is published by Dark Horse.

It's a Kung Fu story and sounds great.

Already on my pull list!  ;D

His Godzilla stories are being reprinted too for those that are interested.

Man I love that Godzilla. Have it in oversized.

Have you read Wonton Soup ?
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Feb 03, 2021, 04:41:33 PM
Quote from: David's Creation on Feb 03, 2021, 03:39:43 AM
Honestly, I like realism.

I don't like things looking like an anime.

I don't really give a shit about tracing.

(https://thumbs.gfycat.com/BreakableHandmadeGalapagosdove-size_restricted.gif)
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Xiggz456 on Feb 03, 2021, 05:15:06 PM
Quote from: Russ840 on Feb 03, 2021, 01:59:47 PM
Quote from: Xiggz456 on Feb 03, 2021, 12:13:09 PM
Quote from: Russ840 on Feb 03, 2021, 08:54:27 AM
For anyone interested in James Stokoe.  His next project is called 'Orphan and the Five Beasts'.

It starts in March and is published by Dark Horse.

It's a Kung Fu story and sounds great.

Already on my pull list!  ;D

His Godzilla stories are being reprinted too for those that are interested.

Man I love that Godzilla. Have it in oversized.

Have you read Wonton Soup ?

No but it's on my to-read list!
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Feb 03, 2021, 05:43:58 PM
Unless theyre super Alien fanatics, I have to assume that most artists understandably have no idea how to draw an Alien. Yeah, they remember the creature generally from watching a movie or two a few times in their life, but its architecture is not at all simplistic and something often hidden in shadow, so much so that to draw it, they are going to need to reference photos, figures or something... and draw it often enough... before they are able to commit it to memory.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Feb 03, 2021, 06:16:30 PM
Plenty of resources to draw from exist though.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: SiL on Feb 03, 2021, 11:07:09 PM
In 30 years of Dark Horse comics the only image I can think that approached "traced" was a single panel from Apocalypse: The Destroying Angels. Now artists have to pull out the tracing paper to be able to draw Aliens? One of the most well known creature designs in the last century? One of the most influential designs committed to screen?

Part of being a good artist is being able to draw from observation. Using images as reference is par for the course. Just tracing over them is hack work.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 03, 2021, 11:16:08 PM
To be fair, I've seen some pretty goddamn terrible renditions of the aliens made me wish they'd just been traced.  I think it's difficult to get them right and it takes an exceptionally talented artist to do so.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: SiL on Feb 03, 2021, 11:20:13 PM
I can't think of any bad Aliens where the rest of the art wasn't also dodgy.

I'm looking at you, Sam Kieth.

Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: judge death on Feb 03, 2021, 11:22:08 PM
I take bad original art over trace and copy art which we now get a ton of from marvel, every day in the week. Not many cases of original art I have disliked as much as the traced stuff.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Prez on Feb 03, 2021, 11:27:30 PM
Quote from: SiL on Feb 03, 2021, 11:07:09 PM
In 30 years of Dark Horse comics the only image I can think that approached "traced" was a single panel from Apocalypse: The Destroying Angels. Now artists have to pull out the tracing paper to be able to draw Aliens? One of the most well known creature designs in the last century? One of the most influential designs committed to screen?

Part of being a good artist is being able to draw from observation. Using images as reference is par for the course. Just tracing over them is hack work.

I've been drawing them from memory since 8 years old!! That was 40 years ago. I'm quite a good artist but not as good as some of these comic artists who trace. It's simply about hitting a very tight deadline deliverable most likely and also following a creative direction style. Pay has nothing to do with it either me thinks.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Feb 03, 2021, 11:37:00 PM
We know the justifications for the way it turns out.

Still a no bueno.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: SiL on Feb 03, 2021, 11:41:17 PM
Quote from: Prez on Feb 03, 2021, 11:27:30 PM
I've been drawing them from memory since 8 years old!!
Same! It's really not as hard as some are trying to make out. The basic shapes are all easily memorable, then it's just refining it as you get better. Most of the "bad" renditions from comics are just artist's style.

The Aliens in Harvest are ... what they are, for example, but they fit the artist's style.

QuoteIt's simply about hitting a very tight deadline deliverable most likely and also following a creative direction style.
Absolutely. And that's the bottom line -- it's not about artists being incapable, it's about business mandates. If Marvel wants to hit specific deadlines with specific looks, corners need to be cut.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Feb 03, 2021, 11:46:17 PM
"Marvel wants to hit specific deadlines with specific looks."

And that's the truly awful part.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Feb 04, 2021, 12:29:34 AM
Quote from: SiL on Feb 03, 2021, 11:07:09 PM
One of the most well known creature designs in the last century? One of the most influential designs committed to screen?

I don't think this matters much. Sure the general shape, dome etc. is iconic, and recalled by random people on the street, but the precise appendages, digits, texture, nitty-gritty detail? Not so much. Even with something so much more basic and well-known like a shark, unless you're a shark fanatic, an artist will probably check out a some reference shots to settle placent of gills, teeth count, fin size etc. but I do agree, they don't need to trace said references.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 04, 2021, 12:31:15 AM
I remember how much comic book artists struggled with drawing ships, etc. in the old Marvel Star Wars comics.  They were hideous.  The aliens remind me of that.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: judge death on Feb 04, 2021, 12:35:40 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Feb 04, 2021, 12:31:15 AM
I remember how much comic book artists struggled with drawing ships, etc. in the old Marvel Star Wars comics.  They were hideous.  The aliens remind me of that.
Shhh they still do shhhh
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Russ840 on Feb 04, 2021, 09:10:10 AM
Quote from: Xiggz456 on Feb 03, 2021, 05:15:06 PM
Quote from: Russ840 on Feb 03, 2021, 01:59:47 PM
Quote from: Xiggz456 on Feb 03, 2021, 12:13:09 PM
Quote from: Russ840 on Feb 03, 2021, 08:54:27 AM
For anyone interested in James Stokoe.  His next project is called 'Orphan and the Five Beasts'.

It starts in March and is published by Dark Horse.

It's a Kung Fu story and sounds great.

Already on my pull list!  ;D

His Godzilla stories are being reprinted too for those that are interested.

Man I love that Godzilla. Have it in oversized.

Have you read Wonton Soup ?

No but it's on my to-read list!

Sobek is also F-ing awesome.

My advice (and I hazard a guess that this is already the case for you) just read everything Stokoe has done.

Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Prez on Feb 04, 2021, 12:29:49 PM
Quote from: Trash Queen on Feb 03, 2021, 11:46:17 PM
"Marvel wants to hit specific deadlines with specific looks."

And that's the truly awful part.

Sadly. Yep.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Feb 04, 2021, 01:03:21 PM
Quote from: judge death on Feb 04, 2021, 12:35:40 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Feb 04, 2021, 12:31:15 AM
I remember how much comic book artists struggled with drawing ships, etc. in the old Marvel Star Wars comics.  They were hideous.  The aliens remind me of that.
Shhh they still do shhhh

:laugh:

I have to imagine the thought must be partially daunting to some artists. One one side, it's Yay! I got the gig! And the other side, it's Oh no! How am I going to draw all this sh*t! 
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Kradan on Feb 04, 2021, 05:18:30 PM
Quote from: SiL on Feb 03, 2021, 11:41:17 PM
Same! It's really not as hard as some are trying to make out. The basic shapes are all easily memorable, then it's just refining it as you get better. Most of the "bad" renditions from comics are just artist's style.

I guess, you're talking about artists who trace trying to justify their actions but as an arts student myself I think I have the right to say that drawing is indeed damn hard  ;D
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 04, 2021, 05:35:11 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Feb 04, 2021, 01:03:21 PM
Quote from: judge death on Feb 04, 2021, 12:35:40 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Feb 04, 2021, 12:31:15 AM
I remember how much comic book artists struggled with drawing ships, etc. in the old Marvel Star Wars comics.  They were hideous.  The aliens remind me of that.
Shhh they still do shhhh

:laugh:

I have to imagine the thought must be partially daunting to some artists. One one side, it's Yay! I got the gig! And the other side, it's Oh no! How am I going to draw all this sh*t!

I can't bring myself to be mad that the characters and ships in the new Star Wars comics actually look movie-accurate, although I realize that only a philistine would condone tracing to get said results.

As for the aliens, I found the ones in Genocide particularly objectionable.  Dishonorable mention goes to the AR-style turds for looking so out of place in Destroying Angels' Gigeresque setting.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Feb 04, 2021, 06:41:28 PM
"Dishonorable mention"  :D
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: SiL on Feb 04, 2021, 07:35:08 PM
Quote from: Kradan on Feb 04, 2021, 05:18:30 PM
I guess, you're talking about artists who trace trying to justify their actions but as an arts student myself I think I have the right to say that drawing is indeed damn hard  ;D
Drawing is damn hard, I meant memorizing the look of the Alien isn't.

Quote from: Local Trouble on Feb 04, 2021, 05:35:11 PM

As for the aliens, I found the ones in Genocide particularly objectionable.  Dishonorable mention goes to the AR-style turds for looking so out of place in Destroying Angels' Gigeresque setting.
Genocide fits the style.

Could never work out why they went for the AR look in AADA though. They're so well done but such a lame design. The closeup panel near the end that's clearly referenced from the first movie when Brett is attached stands out like a sore thumb.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 04, 2021, 08:35:44 PM
Quote from: SiL on Feb 04, 2021, 07:35:08 PM
Quote from: Kradan on Feb 04, 2021, 05:18:30 PM
I guess, you're talking about artists who trace trying to justify their actions but as an arts student myself I think I have the right to say that drawing is indeed damn hard  ;D

Drawing is damn hard, I meant memorizing the look of the Alien isn't.

I'm not an artist, but I'm still hard-pressed to remember every last detail.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: [cancerblack] on Feb 04, 2021, 08:39:02 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Feb 04, 2021, 05:35:11 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Feb 04, 2021, 01:03:21 PM
Quote from: judge death on Feb 04, 2021, 12:35:40 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Feb 04, 2021, 12:31:15 AM
I remember how much comic book artists struggled with drawing ships, etc. in the old Marvel Star Wars comics.  They were hideous.  The aliens remind me of that.
Shhh they still do shhhh

:laugh:

I have to imagine the thought must be partially daunting to some artists. One one side, it's Yay! I got the gig! And the other side, it's Oh no! How am I going to draw all this sh*t!

I can't bring myself to be mad that the characters and ships in the new Star Wars comics actually look movie-accurate, although I realize that only a philistine would condone tracing to get said results.

As for the aliens, I found the ones in Genocide particularly objectionable.  Dishonorable mention goes to the AR-style turds for looking so out of place in Destroying Angels' Gigeresque setting.

I'd always assumed using that Alien design was an order from on high due to when it was released, but I'm probably wrong. At least the artist bullshits some extra biomechanical detail on close-ups (I don't mean the one referencing Alien).
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Feb 04, 2021, 08:52:11 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Feb 04, 2021, 08:35:44 PM
Quote from: SiL on Feb 04, 2021, 07:35:08 PM
Quote from: Kradan on Feb 04, 2021, 05:18:30 PM
I guess, you're talking about artists who trace trying to justify their actions but as an arts student myself I think I have the right to say that drawing is indeed damn hard  ;D

Drawing is damn hard, I meant memorizing the look of the Alien isn't.

I'm not an artist, but I'm still hard-pressed to remember every last detail.

Yeah, I'm with Local. Like memorizing this entire Isolation figure and being able to draw it from every angle, would not be something I would personally qualify as not hard.

(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/81YnoTM6eeL._AC_SL1500_.jpg)

Now imagine you're an artist and you've only been commissioned to do a single cover.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Feb 04, 2021, 08:56:12 PM
*Big Chap figure with new legs and feet from the knees down.

It's not even an accurate depiction of ol' Stompy from Isolation.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 04, 2021, 09:00:59 PM
I can see at least one feature I'd leave out...
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Feb 04, 2021, 09:10:12 PM
You doth protest too much methinks...
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: [cancerblack] on Feb 04, 2021, 09:27:04 PM
Quote from: Trash Queen on Feb 04, 2021, 09:10:12 PM
You doth protest too much methinks...

Are you implying he has a secret Skull shrine in his spare closet?
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Feb 04, 2021, 09:37:09 PM
A "skeleton in the closet" even.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: [cancerblack] on Feb 04, 2021, 09:40:06 PM
(https://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/agAYYyv_460s.jpg)
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: SiL on Feb 04, 2021, 09:44:52 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Feb 04, 2021, 08:35:44 PM
I'm not an artist, but I'm still hard-pressed to remember every last detail.
Who's asking for every last screen accurate detail, though?

Artists apply their style to their interpretation. The key features necessary to make it recognisable as distinctly the capital A Alien are not terribly hard to commit to memory.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Feb 04, 2021, 09:46:58 PM
For example, Dead Orbit's praised repeatedly for it's extremely detailed environments and nearly every other aspect, yet the Alien design in it?

(https://d2lzb5v10mb0lj.cloudfront.net/common/salestools/previews/30288/30288p3.jpg)

Simplicity itself.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Feb 04, 2021, 09:58:37 PM
^ Now that's an easier Xeno to draw!
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: judge death on Feb 04, 2021, 09:59:49 PM
Simple maybe but it do look damn good.
Can draw alien from my mind with ease myself :P
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Feb 04, 2021, 10:05:00 PM
I would imagine many of us mega-fans have most every curve memorized!
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Feb 04, 2021, 10:05:38 PM
Curvy 🥵
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Feb 04, 2021, 10:13:50 PM
Quote from: Trash Queen on Feb 04, 2021, 09:46:58 PM
For example, Dead Orbit's praised repeatedly for it's extremely detailed environments and nearly every other aspect, yet the Alien design in it?

(https://d2lzb5v10mb0lj.cloudfront.net/common/salestools/previews/30288/30288p3.jpg)

Simplicity itself.

So much detail in the background, and those Aliens so simple (almost Resurrection level but worse) totally out of place  :o

It's like ruining a good wine with Coca-Cola  :-X
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: [cancerblack] on Feb 04, 2021, 10:17:30 PM
Nah, they're fine.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Feb 04, 2021, 10:18:10 PM
I admit I'm not that fussed about them particularly either, but I don't think that makes them bad by any stretch of the imagination, I think them as quite good. Just not obsessively recreating what's presented on film to perfection.

It's a lot like the way they got depicted in both Sacrifice and Salvation.

(https://www.2dgalleries.com/planches/800W/2018/314/johnson-aliens-sacrifice-3o67.jpg)

(https://talesontheborder.files.wordpress.com/2015/09/aliens-salvation-4.jpg)

Sort of strangely angular and blocky against more detailed and more "fully realised" environments and characters.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: [cancerblack] on Feb 04, 2021, 10:21:07 PM
Exactly. Very few people are going to claim Mignola's are bad, just deeply stylized.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: SiL on Feb 04, 2021, 10:22:09 PM
I love how Mignola rendered the Aliens. His AvP covers are also great.

Sacrifice was a whole other beast.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Feb 04, 2021, 10:38:04 PM
Quote from: SiL on Feb 04, 2021, 09:44:52 PM
Artists apply their style to their interpretation. The key features necessary to make it recognisable as distinctly the capital A Alien are not terribly hard to commit to memory.

I totally agree with this though.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 04, 2021, 11:44:02 PM
Just imagine what Doug Wheatley could have shown us if he'd poured the same level of effort into recreating Big Chap instead:

Spoiler
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FXjAQRwu.jpg&hash=d87e6c05d394917d19c03980f7fb540307c680de)
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Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Feb 04, 2021, 11:48:50 PM
It is a pity but he did attempt to biomech them up.
But the Resurrection design's inherently and I believe deliberately antithetical to the original.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 04, 2021, 11:55:41 PM
He was able to reproduce and embellish the styles of both Giger and Cobb like no other comic artist I've seen and yet we ended up with the goddamn turdliens...  >:(
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: SiL on Feb 05, 2021, 12:12:04 AM
Yes but in that one panel near the end he goes full Giger and it's ...

Well it doesn't make up for it but it shows us what we could've had :'(
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Feb 05, 2021, 06:26:02 AM
It's mostly good stuff, it is a pity I can't stand his depiction of the Space Jockey though, otherwise it's got phenomenal art and I'm definitely a proponent of the cult idea but I have to read it again honestly as I don't remember anything else particularly noteworthy.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Kradan on Feb 05, 2021, 07:13:20 AM
Quote from: Trash Queen on Feb 04, 2021, 10:18:10 PM
I admit I'm not that fussed about them particularly either, but I don't think that makes them bad by any stretch of the imagination, I think them as quite good. Just not obsessively recreating what's presented on film to perfection.

It's a lot like the way they got depicted in both Sacrifice and Salvation.

https://www.2dgalleries.com/planches/800W/2018/314/johnson-aliens-sacrifice-3o67.jpg

(https://talesontheborder.files.wordpress.com/2015/09/aliens-salvation-4.jpg)

Sort of strangely angular and blocky against more detailed and more "fully realised" environments and characters.

I love Sacrifice. Just felt like saying it. That comic doesn't get talked about enough
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 05, 2021, 10:27:20 AM
Quote from: Trash Queen on Feb 05, 2021, 06:26:02 AM
It's mostly good stuff, it is a pity I can't stand his depiction of the Space Jockey though, otherwise it's got phenomenal art and I'm definitely a proponent of the cult idea but I have to read it again honestly as I don't remember anything else particularly noteworthy.

What's wrong with the Space Jockey in it?  I thought it was pretty much what most fans wanted, or at least closer than we've gotten in times past (or since).

I could have done without the bright colors too.  It's like a video game with the gamma correction turned way up.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Kradan on Feb 05, 2021, 10:40:12 AM
It's hair, I guess

(https://www.avpcentral.com/images/aliens-on-earth/apocalypse-space-jockey.png)
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: SM on Feb 05, 2021, 11:26:01 AM
The design is okay, but yeah the hair not so much.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Feb 05, 2021, 04:45:49 PM
It's nowhere near weird enough frankly.



Yeah, no thank you.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Kradan on Feb 05, 2021, 04:57:09 PM
 ;D

You don't want bodybuilder baldie. You don't want big fat elephant with hair. You don't know what you want, people
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 05, 2021, 04:58:46 PM
Would you prefer this?

Spoiler
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FHqFQqCn.jpg&hash=e501bba6c624e524d8e96eb68bb80b898db0474a)
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Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: judge death on Feb 05, 2021, 05:04:09 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Feb 05, 2021, 04:58:46 PM
Would you prefer this?

Spoiler
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FHqFQqCn.jpg&hash=e501bba6c624e524d8e96eb68bb80b898db0474a)
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I take those designs over prometheus pale basketball players anyday :p
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Feb 05, 2021, 05:10:31 PM
I prefer this:
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F2.bp.blogspot.com%2F_rzdB5a4kLAo%2FTP1sSfI9NAI%2FAAAAAAAAXFo%2FmFRKlRbqzfU%2Fs1600%2Fjockey0786_byKanesSon.jpg&hash=3f9bb948783cc6c3598657ce603e1c31b90e02b0)
Or
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F3.bp.blogspot.com%2F-CphoSliMg5c%2FTdLIZwKj76I%2FAAAAAAAAYhY%2FVa87ome9H6k%2Fs1600%2Fspace_jockey_ii_by_bloommer.jpg&hash=cebdf8e198e718b1aedfaebdac69e1640588e233)
Or
(https://www.alien-covenant.com/aliencovenant_uploads/JockeySize.jpg)
Or
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/09/5f/6f/095f6fd27bb7d119dbce31cc29bd1956.jpg)
Or even:
(https://external-preview.redd.it/Y2PK1hfmMa1pf-4dzGHJXWL20UKLyLEwSXb1Uc8pRJQ.jpg?auto=webp&s=d9ab6ac0e167a696d2ed93a63893bb9aff409084)
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 05, 2021, 05:12:58 PM
Tbh I always thought the elephant trunk look was kinda daft.

It works in Alien because you don't really know what you're looking at but I've never liked the biped designs in the comics.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Feb 05, 2021, 05:14:06 PM
Yes, the comic designs suck ass.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Feb 05, 2021, 06:20:14 PM
Quote from: Kradan on Feb 05, 2021, 04:57:09 PM
;D

You don't want bodybuilder baldie. You don't want big fat elephant with hair. You don't know what you want, people

I want a creepy Space Jockey design. As a reference:

(https://i.ibb.co/4SMcXvh/f58Equx.jpg)

Without that, I prefer what we got with the Engineers.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Feb 05, 2021, 06:36:01 PM
Exactly.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Feb 05, 2021, 07:38:08 PM
I like the legless design too. The original Space Jockey appears to have no limbs, due to the size of the chair and its huge arms.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: SiL on Feb 05, 2021, 10:52:58 PM
And yet nobody had the balls to have it literally grow out of the chair.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Feb 06, 2021, 12:18:12 AM
Definitely my favourite iteration so far: 
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F2.bp.blogspot.com%2F_rzdB5a4kLAo%2FTP1sSfI9NAI%2FAAAAAAAAXFo%2FmFRKlRbqzfU%2Fs1600%2Fjockey0786_byKanesSon.jpg&hash=3f9bb948783cc6c3598657ce603e1c31b90e02b0)

Although I do see appeal in the hulking back design, and the idea of the strange folding limbs, I'm open to other potential alternatives.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: [cancerblack] on Feb 06, 2021, 12:42:09 AM
Space Jockeys with biomechanical hover-thrones pls.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: SM on Feb 06, 2021, 08:38:39 AM
That zoom around going pew-pew-pew.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Feb 06, 2021, 02:08:03 PM
Well, one pew pew pew I've with the Engineer concept is that the whole point of making the Jockeys like humans, at least according to Jon Spaihts, was to takes out the abstraction in order to make them relatable to audiences. And yet, once the crew meet one of them, the dude just punch people to dead like an angry dumb monster. He wasn't more civilized than zombie Fifield at that point.

(https://i.ibb.co/xDSqMjp/Pics-Art-02-06-10-51-02.jpg)

They must have kept his intellectual curiosity or something 

:laugh:

(https://i.ibb.co/Rzvt6LX/Pro-Deleted-04.jpg)
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Feb 06, 2021, 03:10:30 PM
With David making the Alien it does render them being like us rather pointless in terms of the Alien being perfectly adapted for human beings, so hopefully that opens the door for older fouler things in the deep places of the universe and their creators.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: EJA on Feb 06, 2021, 05:12:58 PM
God, I hate Ridley's prequels. Just saying.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Kradan on Feb 06, 2021, 05:52:16 PM
Shhhhhh  :-X
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 06, 2021, 06:02:52 PM
God, I love Ridley's prequels Alien: Covenant. Prometheus is interesting but has significant problems. Just saying.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Kradan on Feb 06, 2021, 07:14:25 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 06, 2021, 06:02:52 PM
God, I love Ridley's prequels Alien: Covenant. Prometheus is interesting but has significant problems. Just saying.

Amen
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: SuperiorIronman on Feb 07, 2021, 12:40:20 AM
If we ever see the Engineers again I'd appreciate them being a little more than fodder to show the villain is "fo serious" and more interesting than angry albino Ian Whyte.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 07, 2021, 11:35:45 AM
Talking of Engineers going pew pew pew reminds me of those awesome guns they have in the Spaihts script.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: EJA on Feb 07, 2021, 03:24:59 PM
If Marvel does anything Prometheus related, a good idea would be a story fully explaining the movie, like precisely why the Engineers wanted to wipe out humanity, why they gave humans directions to LV-223, etc. Cos I doubt Ridley Scott will address it again.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Kradan on Feb 07, 2021, 05:01:11 PM
And make everything clear and boring ? No, thanks
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: 426Buddy on Feb 07, 2021, 05:15:13 PM
Prometheus was already kinda boring, might as well find out what the point of it all was.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Kradan on Feb 07, 2021, 05:21:08 PM
Frustratingly ambigious ? Maybe. Boring ? No
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 07, 2021, 05:28:17 PM
Quote from: Kradan on Feb 07, 2021, 05:01:11 PMAnd make everything clear and boring ? No, thanks

There's a big different between leaving interesting questions and just flat-out making no sense.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Kradan on Feb 07, 2021, 05:31:36 PM
Do you think there's a satisfying answer though ?
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 07, 2021, 05:34:19 PM
I'm sure someone with more talent than me could think of something.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: 426Buddy on Feb 07, 2021, 05:39:39 PM
Quote from: Kradan on Feb 07, 2021, 05:21:08 PM
Frustratingly ambigious ? Maybe. Boring ? No

I find the ambiguity, tedious characters, and its overall non-ominous tone make the film boring on repeat viewings imo. Also the few scares their are kinda fell flat for me.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 07, 2021, 05:45:13 PM
Their reasons for wanting to kill us is one the least mysterious aspects of Prometheus, IMO.  It's an old sci-fi trope that aliens are afraid of us because we're savage, warmongering primates who would pose a threat to every living thing in the universe if we ever advanced far enough.

There's your reason.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Kradan on Feb 07, 2021, 05:50:39 PM
Quote from: 426Buddy on Feb 07, 2021, 05:39:39 PM
Quote from: Kradan on Feb 07, 2021, 05:21:08 PM
Frustratingly ambigious ? Maybe. Boring ? No

I find the ambiguity, tedious characters, and its overall non-ominous tone make the film boring on repeat viewings imo. Also the few scares their are kinda fell flat for me.

Well, yeah. I wouldn't call Prometheus a horror movie. Not sure it could've been one with what they were trying to do. Personally, I would've liked it more if they cut all of Hammerpede, Trilobite and Deacon and focused on nothing but relationship between Engineers and humanity instead of trying to squeeze some "BOO" moments in there
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 07, 2021, 05:51:34 PM
A one-shot comic of Space Jesus' crucifixion.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Feb 07, 2021, 06:14:28 PM
Only if someone gets to go really f**king weird and abstract with the whole thing.

Like Girl From The Other Side absolute bizarreness.

And it needs to be something more than acting as a fanwank patch up job for Prometheus' holes.
Something like InSEXts perhaps.

Or something festering with the pure unbridled horror of Winnebago Graveyard.


Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: [cancerblack] on Feb 07, 2021, 06:19:16 PM
Quote from: Trash Queen on Feb 07, 2021, 06:14:28 PM

a fanwank patch up job for Prometheus' holes.


But this is what the people want
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Huggs on Feb 07, 2021, 06:29:38 PM
Indeed.

"wank" and "holes" are big sellers.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Feb 07, 2021, 06:32:56 PM
(https://64.media.tumblr.com/4f00c27d10a73298a175baa1ec4319cc/tumblr_mnb9lxRKjO1rg0lgoo4_500.gifv)
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Feb 07, 2021, 06:39:30 PM
Quote from: SiL on Feb 05, 2021, 10:52:58 PM
And yet nobody had the balls to have it literally grow out of the chair.

I used to like the idea that the Jockey itself was just one of many biomechanical tools that operated the ship. Those airlocks were too small for the jockeys, as where the little areas Kane, Dallas and Lambert were walking through. Once upon a time, in my head, there used to be many other creatures doing other specific tasks on the ship for something else...
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 07, 2021, 06:53:38 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 07, 2021, 06:39:30 PM
Quote from: SiL on Feb 05, 2021, 10:52:58 PM
And yet nobody had the balls to have it literally grow out of the chair.

I used to like the idea that the Jockey itself was just one of many biomechanical tools that operated the ship. Those airlocks were too small for the jockeys, as where the little areas Kane, Dallas and Lambert were walking through. Once upon a time, in my head, there used to be many other creatures doing other specific tasks on the ship for something else...

I remember back in 2011 when Prometheus rumors of a "Giant head (controlling?) the ship" started leaking and I had very similar ideas going on at the time. This was long before we had our first taste of the humanoid Engineers, if I recall correctly.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 07, 2021, 06:54:55 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 07, 2021, 06:39:30 PMI used to like the idea that the Jockey itself was just one of many biomechanical tools that operated the ship. Those airlocks were too small for the jockeys, as where the little areas Kane, Dallas and Lambert were walking through. Once upon a time, in my head, there used to be many other creatures doing other specific tasks on the ship for something else...

...

Nah, f**k it, man in a suit.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 07, 2021, 07:06:37 PM
I still want to see a merging of the two concepts, and see the Engineers' self-experimentation (via the pathogen, and other means as well) literally fusing them to their technology, their spacesuits, etc. and causing them to grow outwardly in unprecedented, not quite so humanoid forms.

Spoiler
And maybe David might just do the same thing. Shhhh. ;)
[close]
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Feb 07, 2021, 07:14:08 PM
I like the idea of the Engineers merging with their biological mechanisms and becoming further and further abstracted from the human form.

But forget the Pathogen.

It does enough as it is.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: [cancerblack] on Feb 07, 2021, 07:59:38 PM
Nah, the Alien is made of the goo. Their tech is made of the goo.

Spoiler
The goo is Yog-Sothoth jizz
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Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Feb 07, 2021, 08:10:40 PM
I am going to have to persuade you otherwise somehow...
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: [cancerblack] on Feb 07, 2021, 08:32:45 PM
You will not.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Feb 07, 2021, 08:34:38 PM
Watch me.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: judge death on Feb 07, 2021, 10:14:40 PM
Quote from: Trash Queen on Feb 07, 2021, 07:14:08 PM
I like the idea of the Engineers merging with their biological mechanisms and becoming further and further abstracted from the human form.

But forget the Pathogen.

It does enough as it is.
This! I wish they made the space jockey more alien and less humanoid, as that opens up the universe and makes it bigger and mysterious. Now we got slightly bigger humans, making the universe shrink, all species known are pretty much humans, like star trek which kills the excploration and mysterism of the world.

Need something that feels completely aliena nd strange to how humans work.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: SM on Feb 07, 2021, 10:19:06 PM
I don't get this "shrink" thing.

Like Arthur said "Two possibilities exist: either we are alone in the Universe or we are not. Both are equally terrifying."
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Huggs on Feb 07, 2021, 10:50:45 PM
Quote from: SM on Feb 07, 2021, 10:19:06 PM
I don't get this "shrink" thing.

You haven't spent enough time in the pool.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: judge death on Feb 07, 2021, 10:56:00 PM
Quote from: SM on Feb 07, 2021, 10:19:06 PM
I don't get this "shrink" thing.

Like Arthur said "Two possibilities exist: either we are alone in the Universe or we are not. Both are equally terrifying."
Shrink: all species we have in the franchise are humanoid based, enginneers created humans, predators and the xenomorph creatures/black goo. so one species type that populate the universe, which to me make it a bit spartan and empty.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: [cancerblack] on Feb 07, 2021, 10:56:35 PM
Quote from: Huggs on Feb 07, 2021, 10:50:45 PM
Quote from: SM on Feb 07, 2021, 10:19:06 PM
I don't get this "shrink" thing.

You haven't spent enough time in the pool.

(https://media1.tenor.com/images/04827f8f394f287c997fa8f26a190ffc/tenor.gif)
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: SM on Feb 07, 2021, 11:08:44 PM
Ain't no pool cold enough.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 07, 2021, 11:10:34 PM
Or deep enough?
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Nukiemorph on Feb 07, 2021, 11:13:23 PM
I could have sworn that I heard/read that the original intention behind the jockey in the chair was that they were a species that grew so dependent on their technology that they eventually evolved to become part of it.

I can't find where I heard this. Might have been on the blu-ray somewhere. Can anyone confirm this?

Before Prometheus, I ran with this and imagined every jockey being physically built into their jobs in sprawling Giger-esque cities.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: [cancerblack] on Feb 07, 2021, 11:17:49 PM
It was certainly one of the more popular assumptions pre-suit-revelation.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: SM on Feb 07, 2021, 11:35:40 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Feb 07, 2021, 11:10:34 PM
Or deep enough?

You know it.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 07, 2021, 11:49:03 PM
Quote from: David's Creation on Feb 07, 2021, 11:13:23 PM
I could have sworn that I heard/read that the original intention behind the jockey in the chair was that they were a species that grew so dependent on their technology that they eventually evolved to become part of it.

I can't find where I heard this. Might have been on the blu-ray somewhere. Can anyone confirm this?

Before Prometheus, I ran with this and imagined every jockey being physically built into their jobs in sprawling Giger-esque cities.

Like Moya in Farscape.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 08, 2021, 03:54:44 AM
Quote from: judge death on Feb 07, 2021, 10:56:00 PM
Quote from: SM on Feb 07, 2021, 10:19:06 PM
I don't get this "shrink" thing.

Like Arthur said "Two possibilities exist: either we are alone in the Universe or we are not. Both are equally terrifying."
Shrink: all species we have in the franchise are humanoid based, enginneers created humans, predators and the xenomorph creatures/black goo. so one species type that populate the universe, which to me make it a bit spartan and empty.

Well, the 'shape' the Pathogen takes can vary pretty wildly without a hand like David's to 'guide' it towards a particular form. The Trilobite and the Hammerpede say hello.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: SiL on Feb 08, 2021, 04:21:21 AM
Sure, but everything ended up being the result of albino humans with god complexes, because humans are special and we are the centre of f**king everything.

It is just so f**king dull. It's all just people, all the way down. We aren't tiny specs voyaging into the unknown, we're The Chosen Ones.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 08, 2021, 04:36:29 AM
On one hand, that does seem to be the state of things. But Earth could also just be but one of many worlds populated with creations of the Engineers, making humans less "Chosen Ones" and more just biproducts of their seeding of the galaxy (and potentially failed ones at that, since they wanted to destroy us before operations on LV-223 were aborted).

I don't love all of the ideas that Prometheus presents, for sure (and would still have preferred the Engineers to not simply be large humans), but I do find the film's ideas interesting enough to get behind on their own terms despite the fact that the execution is pretty lacking, and that the film is retroactively enhanced in part by what Alien: Covenant manages to sort of retcon into something significantly better. It is still far and away the worst of the six Alien movies, though.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: SiL on Feb 08, 2021, 05:24:57 AM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 08, 2021, 04:36:29 AM
On one hand, that does seem to be the state of things. But Earth could also just be but one of many worlds populated with creations of the Engineers, making humans less "Chosen Ones" and more just biproducts of their seeding of the galaxy (and potentially failed ones at that, since they wanted to destroy us before operations on LV-223 were aborted).
Engineers are humans, is the problem.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Feb 08, 2021, 06:56:27 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 07, 2021, 06:39:30 PM
Quote from: SiL on Feb 05, 2021, 10:52:58 PM
And yet nobody had the balls to have it literally grow out of the chair.

I used to like the idea that the Jockey itself was just one of many biomechanical tools that operated the ship. Those airlocks were too small for the jockeys, as where the little areas Kane, Dallas and Lambert were walking through. Once upon a time, in my head, there used to be many other creatures doing other specific tasks on the ship for something else...

Yay! I love that, sounds like a stunning symbiosis between a living ship and its crew  8)




Quote from: David's Creation on Feb 07, 2021, 11:13:23 PM
I could have sworn that I heard/read that the original intention behind the jockey in the chair was that they were a species that grew so dependent on their technology that they eventually evolved to become part of it.

I can't find where I heard this. Might have been on the blu-ray somewhere. Can anyone confirm this?

You're right; technological dependence, but also Giger's biomecanoids are a reflection of his fear of nuclear war.

Life forms and the symbiosis organism ~ machines to survive a hostile environment in a post-human future.

Quote from: BBCThe birth of biomechanics

Giger's early work deals very directly with the collective fears of the time. The world had just narrowly avoided a nuclear war over the stationing of Soviet nuclear weapons on Cuba, and in neutral Switzerland, which was working on its own nuclear weapons program, the very real possibility of a nuclear apocalypse was omnipresent. In several of his works, Giger designed a post-apocalyptic scenario showing the situation after a nuclear war. Other hotly debated issues such as the threat of global overpopulation and the advancing mechanization and automation of many aspects of life also found their way into his work.

BBC Culture - ART: The man who created the ultimate alien

~ H.R. Giger, Atomic Children, 1968. Courtesy of the H.R. Giger Museum ~

Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: EJA on Feb 08, 2021, 12:30:02 PM
You can't just say "The aliens want to destroy us" and then give absolutely no explanation as to why.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Feb 08, 2021, 12:58:08 PM
It comes down to a question of philosophy, are we part of everything or everything part of us?

Dead Space for example says both, we are the only sapience in existence potentially in the way we define it, but we are also just meat for a much larger universal grinder.

Prometheus says we are the origin of everything within sight. Because humans are Engineers and engineers are humans.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Feb 08, 2021, 01:07:09 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 08, 2021, 04:36:29 AM
It is still far and away the worst of the six Alien movies, though.

Nah, Alien Resurrection still wears that crown for me... and was my internal go-to compliment after exiting the theater after both prequels. At least it wasn't as bad as Alien Resurrection!. :) But alas, they all slot in the bottom of my Alien rankings anyway.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Feb 08, 2021, 01:12:50 PM
The crown of the Alien design we can't get the f**k away from even with the popularity of Alien Isolation, and the last time it being onscreen being in 2004.

Well... at least it's not anything from Requiem.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 08, 2021, 01:28:16 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Feb 08, 2021, 01:07:09 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 08, 2021, 04:36:29 AM
It is still far and away the worst of the six Alien movies, though.

Nah, Alien Resurrection still wears that crown for me... and was my internal go-to compliment after exiting the theater after both prequels. At least it wasn't as bad as Alien Resurrection!. :) But alas, they all slot in the bottom of my Alien rankings anyway.

Resurrection is the second worst in my book, just above Prometheus, and they are definitely the two films with the most issues, but I just find Resurrection to be the more fulfilling overall experience overall (Prometheus has what may just be the sexiest space suits ever put to film, though, so on top of the ideas in Prometheus that I dig, it also really has that going for it ;)). For me, I feel that Resurrection owns its tone through and through (even if its tone isn't quite consistent with the preceding films), so it is at least internally consistent in and of itself in a way that Prometheus just isn't (I tend to get really hung up on Prometheus' sloppy editing, especially). Sigourney also gives one hell of a performance, and I find the movie to be grotesque in a rather enjoyable way. Resurrection is pure pulp - it's like a silly 90s Dark Horse Aliens comic with a sick sense of humor come to life; I see it as being pretty removed from the other films in both tone and timeline, but it also doubles down on some weird concepts that I find to be right at home in this universe. Where else would I turn if I wanted to watch some clone derived of Alien and human DNA caress its genetic abomination of a 'grandson?' :D

Covenant sits above Resurrection to me, much closer to the first three films.

Also, I do still find it amusing the way that Ridley (quite accidentally, mind you) helped Resurrection's weird cloning shenanigans and DNA melding make more sense than ever before, given what we now know about the Pathogen, the way it seems to interact with human hosts, and the way it was used as the core building block with which to create the Alien itself.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 08, 2021, 01:39:51 PM
Quote from: SiL on Feb 08, 2021, 04:21:21 AMSure, but everything ended up being the result of albino humans with god complexes, because humans are special and we are the centre of f**king everything.

It is just so f**king dull. It's all just people, all the way down. We aren't tiny specs voyaging into the unknown, we're The Chosen Ones.

Yeah, as much as I didn't have a problem with the design of the Engineers, those prequels sure did manage to make the Alien universe a lot smaller and less interesting.

I really don't get Ridley's hard-on for explaining where the Alien came from in the first place, but to then make it come from us was truly deflating.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 08, 2021, 01:51:57 PM
I guess I'm of the mentality that Covenant kind of allows us to have our cake and eat it too - David shaping the capital-A Alien into what it is thematically works within the framework of what that film presents, and has interesting ripple effects into the other movies (H.R. Giger's terrifying creature is, for all intents and purposes, walking sex, and it is now revealed to have been crafted by the repressed android with a metaphorical hardon for defiling the very method of creating life that his creators uniquely possess while he does not) while also allowing the core element of the Alien's construction, the Pathogen, to be totally ancient and unknowable in origin and the extent of its application, with the potential for a great many other eldritch horrors to come of it.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: EJA on Feb 08, 2021, 03:30:43 PM
Do the Predator mythos fit as well in the Marvel Comics Universe as they did in the DC Comics Universe?
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Feb 08, 2021, 03:54:52 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 08, 2021, 01:39:51 PM
Quote from: SiL on Feb 08, 2021, 04:21:21 AMSure, but everything ended up being the result of albino humans with god complexes, because humans are special and we are the centre of f**king everything.

It is just so f**king dull. It's all just people, all the way down. We aren't tiny specs voyaging into the unknown, we're The Chosen Ones.

Yeah, as much as I didn't have a problem with the design of the Engineers, those prequels sure did manage to make the Alien universe a lot smaller and less interesting.

I really don't get Ridley's hard-on for explaining where the Alien came from in the first place, but to then make it come from us was truly deflating.

My sentiment exactly. :-\
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Feb 08, 2021, 05:04:55 PM
You will all love the idea for what it is when the whole thing inevitably gets turned around.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Feb 10, 2021, 04:09:14 PM
https://www.facebook.com/perfectorganism/posts/3749500261797686

I'm only 20 minutes so far and it's mostly Superman talk so far. Will get another 30 minutes in on the way home.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: EJA on Feb 11, 2021, 10:38:30 PM
Well I likely won't be able to get the first couple of issues, as I live in the UK, and we'll most probably still be in lockdown until late May.  >:( >:( >:( >:(
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Beef Dogg on Feb 16, 2021, 08:47:14 AM
Quote from: EJA on Feb 11, 2021, 10:38:30 PM
Well I likely won't be able to get the first couple of issues, as I live in the UK, and we'll most probably still be in lockdown until late May.  >:( >:( >:( >:(

Forbidden planet do a subscription service.

I just got all the Variants for Aliens #1 ordered :D

*Edit*

Here is the link https://www.fpicomics.com/
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Feb 16, 2021, 09:28:49 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 10, 2021, 04:09:14 PM
https://www.facebook.com/perfectorganism/posts/3749500261797686

I'm only 20 minutes so far and it's mostly Superman talk so far. Will get another 30 minutes in on the way home.

Finished this off last week. He didn't really go into too many specifics (obviously) but he seems like a really cool bloke who gets it. Really looking forward to his first issue.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: RidgeTop on Feb 19, 2021, 03:31:34 AM
Some new covers:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eui3s0rWQAQBr0i?format=jpg&name=large)
(https://scontent-sjc3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/151466325_10223547222256063_2110660590627156076_n.jpg?_nc_cat=108&ccb=3&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=45sVf7lt4qAAX8dlm0m&_nc_ht=scontent-sjc3-1.xx&oh=28093e431e3eb42ec8700ecf315d8584&oe=6054423A)

Lineart by Phillip Tan with colors by Sebastian Cheng

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eui3tCHWYAsjEfW?format=jpg&name=large)

Inhyuk Lee
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Kradan on Feb 19, 2021, 07:48:29 AM
Quote from: RidgeTop on Feb 19, 2021, 03:31:34 AM
Some new covers:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eui3s0rWQAQBr0i?format=jpg&name=large)
(https://scontent-sjc3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/151466325_10223547222256063_2110660590627156076_n.jpg?_nc_cat=108&ccb=3&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=45sVf7lt4qAAX8dlm0m&_nc_ht=scontent-sjc3-1.xx&oh=28093e431e3eb42ec8700ecf315d8584&oe=6054423A)

Lineart by Phillip Tan with colors by Sebastian Cheng

I pray to God this is not traced. Because, before being proven otherwise, I must say that's damn beatiful cover
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: SiL on Feb 19, 2021, 08:33:50 AM
Honestly nothing's leaping to mind.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Russ840 on Feb 19, 2021, 09:54:18 AM
I have never noticed Phillip Tan tracing.

This looks completely original
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: SM on Feb 19, 2021, 10:17:38 AM
The first one looked familiar but nothing I can put my finger on.

Hope it's not a trace in job, cos it's nice.

It's a bit sad that Marvel has brought it on themselves that as soon as we see new art we start wondering where it's been nicked from.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Feb 19, 2021, 10:24:04 AM
Quote from: RidgeTop on Feb 19, 2021, 03:31:34 AM
Some new covers:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eui3s0rWQAQBr0i?format=jpg&name=large
(https://scontent-sjc3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/151466325_10223547222256063_2110660590627156076_n.jpg?_nc_cat=108&ccb=3&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=45sVf7lt4qAAX8dlm0m&_nc_ht=scontent-sjc3-1.xx&oh=28093e431e3eb42ec8700ecf315d8584&oe=6054423A)

Lineart by Phillip Tan with colors by Sebastian Cheng

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eui3tCHWYAsjEfW?format=jpg&name=large

Inhyuk Lee

My idiot self didn't realise these new covers had been coming from soliciations.

So these covers are for #3.

QuoteALIEN #3
PHILLIP KENNEDY JOHNSON (W) • SALVADOR LARROCA (A)
Cover by INHYUK LEE
Variant Cover by PHILIP TAN
VARIANT COVER BY ADAM KUBERT
DANGER ON ALL SIDES!
• Epsilon Station is overrun with danger, not all of it from Xenomorphs!
• Cruz holds mission information back from his soldiers, but he's not the only one with secrets.
• We are not who we say we are.
32 PGS./Parental Advisory ...$3.99
© 2021 20th Century Studios.

No actual release dates for either #2 or #3 on the solicitations though.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Feb 19, 2021, 10:25:49 AM
I'm really liking Inhyuk Lee's covers so far. The actual renditions are amazing.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Kradan on Feb 19, 2021, 10:27:25 AM
I wanna see ink line in my comicbook artwork
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 19, 2021, 10:28:06 AM
Quote from: SM on Feb 19, 2021, 10:17:38 AMIt's a bit sad that Marvel has brought it on themselves that as soon as we see new art we start wondering where it's been nicked from.

Words.
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Post by: Voodoo Magic on Feb 19, 2021, 01:17:57 PM
Whatever their genesis, they sure are beauties!
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Xiggz456 on Feb 19, 2021, 01:24:09 PM
Quote from: RidgeTop on Feb 19, 2021, 03:31:34 AM
Some new covers:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eui3s0rWQAQBr0i?format=jpg&name=large)
(https://scontent-sjc3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/151466325_10223547222256063_2110660590627156076_n.jpg?_nc_cat=108&ccb=3&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=45sVf7lt4qAAX8dlm0m&_nc_ht=scontent-sjc3-1.xx&oh=28093e431e3eb42ec8700ecf315d8584&oe=6054423A)

Lineart by Phillip Tan with colors by Sebastian Cheng

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eui3tCHWYAsjEfW?format=jpg&name=large

Inhyuk Lee

Love these two!
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Post by: Darwinsgirl on Feb 19, 2021, 06:05:24 PM
[quote
No actual release dates for either #2 or #3 on the solicitations though.
[/quote]


According to the Previews Order book April 21st is the estimated ship date for issue 2
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: RidgeTop on Feb 19, 2021, 10:37:18 PM
(https://scontent-sjc3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/151310563_3774059936008385_2653897837728835375_o.jpg?_nc_cat=100&ccb=3&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=peb7DApKzsIAX_ssUBY&_nc_ht=scontent-sjc3-1.xx&oh=7187d04c14e2b3e662b1fd348cf2ccff&oe=60565F43)

New variant cover by Steve McNiven.

Thanks to Perfect Organism Podcast for the share on this one.
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Post by: [cancerblack] on Feb 19, 2021, 10:46:19 PM
Quote from: RidgeTop on Feb 19, 2021, 10:37:18 PM
(https://scontent-sjc3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/151310563_3774059936008385_2653897837728835375_o.jpg?_nc_cat=100&ccb=3&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=peb7DApKzsIAX_ssUBY&_nc_ht=scontent-sjc3-1.xx&oh=7187d04c14e2b3e662b1fd348cf2ccff&oe=60565F43)

New variant cover by Steve McNiven.

Thanks to Perfect Organism Podcast for the share on this one.

Love it, love everything about it.
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Post by: 426Buddy on Feb 19, 2021, 10:46:25 PM
These covers do look like original works of art thankfully.

They look gorgeous too.
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Post by: Kimarhi on Feb 20, 2021, 03:23:04 AM
Those give me the old school comics vibe.  I can dig it.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Sabres21768 on Feb 23, 2021, 12:46:19 AM
I'm liking these covers a lot.
Hopefully, the interior artwork will be as good.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: [cancerblack] on Feb 23, 2021, 01:15:06 AM
Quote from: Sabres21768 on Feb 23, 2021, 12:46:19 AM
I'm liking these covers a lot.
Hopefully, the interior artwork will be as good.

I've got some bad news...
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: molasar on Feb 23, 2021, 05:16:16 AM
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Feb 23, 2021, 01:15:06 AM
I've got some bad news...

Have not you seen Marvel Free Previews #7 (January for March 2021)?
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Post by: SM on Feb 23, 2021, 06:12:10 AM
I daresay he has.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Russ840 on Feb 23, 2021, 09:15:46 AM
Man that's a great piece 

McNiven is fantastic. I love his work.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Sabres21768 on Feb 23, 2021, 11:59:12 AM
Quote from: molasar on Feb 23, 2021, 05:16:16 AM
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Feb 23, 2021, 01:15:06 AM
I've got some bad news...

Have not you seen Marvel Free Previews #7 (January for March 2021)?
Do you mean the hoofed Alien scene?
I think it looks amazing.
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Post by: Nukiemorph on Feb 23, 2021, 12:32:50 PM
I pre-ordered the comic at my local comic store and the clerk commented that the art in the hooves preview looked really good.

I'm annoyed at the facial expression in one panel and worried that the hooves will clop on the ceiling, but honestly, I think it looks good overall too. I'm looking forward to this.

Again, as long as another comic artist isn't being stolen from, I don't really care how the art was composed. I can't help but wonder if we'd be analyzing this so hard if it weren't for the Greg/Tristan situation getting us all pissed off.
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Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Feb 23, 2021, 02:50:56 PM
It looks f**king awful. Hilariously so
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Post by: Kradan on Feb 23, 2021, 02:52:48 PM
Interior artwork.you mean ?
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Feb 23, 2021, 02:54:59 PM
Yes absolutely, the Steve McNiven variant cover rules.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: [cancerblack] on Feb 23, 2021, 05:18:10 PM
Quote from: Sabres21768 on Feb 23, 2021, 11:59:12 AM
Quote from: molasar on Feb 23, 2021, 05:16:16 AM
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Feb 23, 2021, 01:15:06 AM
I've got some bad news...

Have not you seen Marvel Free Previews #7 (January for March 2021)?
Do you mean the hoofed Alien scene?
I think it looks amazing.

The artist clearly has some very real skill, but also very clearly doesn't give a f**k.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: SM on Feb 23, 2021, 08:47:26 PM
Quote from: David's Creation on Feb 23, 2021, 12:32:50 PM
I pre-ordered the comic at my local comic store and the clerk commented that the art in the hooves preview looked really good.

I'm annoyed at the facial expression in one panel and worried that the hooves will clop on the ceiling, but honestly, I think it looks good overall too. I'm looking forward to this.

Again, as long as another comic artist isn't being stolen from, I don't really care how the art was composed. I can't help but wonder if we'd be analyzing this so hard if it weren't for the Greg/Tristan situation getting us all pissed off.

That's precisely why it should be analysed.  They've been shooting themselves in the foot from the outset.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: judge death on Feb 23, 2021, 08:58:56 PM
Quote from: SM on Feb 23, 2021, 08:47:26 PM
Quote from: David's Creation on Feb 23, 2021, 12:32:50 PM
I pre-ordered the comic at my local comic store and the clerk commented that the art in the hooves preview looked really good.

I'm annoyed at the facial expression in one panel and worried that the hooves will clop on the ceiling, but honestly, I think it looks good overall too. I'm looking forward to this.

Again, as long as another comic artist isn't being stolen from, I don't really care how the art was composed. I can't help but wonder if we'd be analyzing this so hard if it weren't for the Greg/Tristan situation getting us all pissed off.

That's precisely why it should be analysed.  They've been shooting themselves in the foot from the outset.
Yep plus also their record with stealing and copying star wars stuff which makes me very analysing of their alien releases.

Havent preordered anything, will wait until they release a collection/volume or whatever you wanna call the book where you have the whole story in one book, hate one issue paperbacks.... But will wait and see what fans will say and reviews before buying, waiting isnt a problem.

IF its good and honors the alien lore and keeps the same level as dark horse: then I buy, if its crap and dishonoring the alien franchise which it seems so far: wont buy any marvel alien comic.
I vote with my wallet :P
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Darwinsgirl on Feb 24, 2021, 04:31:18 PM

The number 3 issue is tentatively scheduled to release May 26th.

2 variant covers Tan & Adam Kubert

Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: EJA on Feb 25, 2021, 12:29:50 PM
Still anxiously awaiting news on the new Predator series.


Could the comics use characters from the movies? Would there be any difficulties using the likenesses of Schwarzenegger as Dutch or Weaver as Ripley?
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: [cancerblack] on Feb 25, 2021, 09:33:15 PM
Presumably depends how large a dump truck of money they back up to Arnie or Siggy's house to access the likenesses.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: EJA on Feb 25, 2021, 10:00:08 PM
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Feb 25, 2021, 09:33:15 PM
Presumably depends how large a dump truck of money they back up to Arnie or Siggy's house to access the likenesses.

Any idea how much Dark Horse paid Sigourney Weaver to use her likeness in the original Female War comic?
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: [cancerblack] on Feb 25, 2021, 10:02:39 PM
No clue sorry, although from my unreliable memory, wasn't the only direct use of her likeness the last panel of Nightmare Asylum, with Female War having the character but pretty dubious likeness?
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: SM on Feb 25, 2021, 10:34:03 PM
Yeah I don't think they would've paid much for that effort.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 26, 2021, 01:14:21 AM
Maybe Marvel will hire Sam Kieth to get that photo-accurate version of Ripley.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: ace3g on Feb 26, 2021, 07:39:23 PM
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Feb 26, 2021, 08:16:16 PM
So guess this is how the accelerant is playing into this one...

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Honestly, that's fine by me. I've a fond spot for the
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Bugmen from Colonial marines
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and this is a direction I've wanted to see taken more firmly.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: RidgeTop on Feb 26, 2021, 08:21:28 PM
Ugh... they just had to brink back the...

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Black goo nonsense.
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Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Feb 26, 2021, 08:23:46 PM
Of course they wont. It's a perfect plot device. Besides, it's just replacing the royal jelly of old. Nothing too new there.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Drukathi on Feb 26, 2021, 08:51:41 PM
A hammerpede is also spotted there.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: RidgeTop on Feb 26, 2021, 08:56:53 PM
Keep Prometheus outta my Alien.  >:(
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Feb 26, 2021, 09:01:48 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 26, 2021, 08:16:16 PM
So guess this is how the accelerant is playing into this one...

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(https://i.imgur.com/hWEpaFj.png)
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Honestly, that's fine by me. I've a fond spot for the
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Bugmen from Colonial marines
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and this is a direction I've wanted to see taken more firmly.

At first glance seems more tasteful though  :-X

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(https://i.ibb.co/wsF6fGk/tobergiger-trans-Nv-BQz-QNjv4-Bqd-PLLMx-Oyt4f-QUM0gg-A6t9-Gx-SAYu-JOOlid-Kxh-j-ISEA4.jpg)
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Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: EJA on Feb 26, 2021, 09:04:01 PM
Hmm, not sure how I feel about this, considering some of the issues I have with the whole Prometheus thing. On the other hand though, that does look kind of cool. Like something out of Ridley Scott's Legend.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Feb 26, 2021, 09:13:47 PM
New interview with Johnson here: https://www.gamesradar.com/uk/alien-franchise-brings-cold-sweat-panic-and-cant-look-away-horror-to-marvel/
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 26, 2021, 09:19:52 PM
I don't think anyone would really object to the black goo if it wasn't for the rest of the prequels' baggage.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Feb 26, 2021, 09:22:07 PM
I think there's definitely an element of that in there. It mostly frustrated me in Prometheus and Fire and Stone because it was too undefined. It's use since those has been more restrained.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: [cancerblack] on Feb 26, 2021, 09:35:50 PM
The wiggly tongue made me laugh more than it should have.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Hunter-Killer on Feb 26, 2021, 09:54:21 PM
I liked it more than I thought I would, I don't really care for the squiggly tongue but it's a small nuisance.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Vrastal on Feb 26, 2021, 09:57:13 PM
I like the prequels, the black goo is alrigjt. I just dont like the direction they take it. But this looks interesting and ill get it for sure. Also got some STRONG heart of the swarm vibes from the trailer
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: RidgeTop on Feb 26, 2021, 09:59:10 PM
New
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space cat
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so I guess that is nice...

Also way stoked about a bunch more traced figures:

(https://external-sjc3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/safe_image.php?d=AQFvceY-Eart3LpE&w=500&h=261&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.avpgalaxy.net%2Fwordpress%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2021%2F02%2FScreenshot_20210226-145732_Video-Player.png&cfs=1&ext=jpg&_nc_cb=1&_nc_hash=AQGK8iN-AFXiNsII)
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/7d/a0/64/7da064761fe55a69bedf0c657ff95338.jpg)
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Xiggz456 on Feb 26, 2021, 10:39:47 PM
Quote from: ace3g on Feb 26, 2021, 07:39:23 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujtcRKToClc

That was cool! Looking forward to the first issue!
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Feb 26, 2021, 10:44:34 PM
Looks like shit.

And the "do whatever" take on the Pathogen from Fire and Stone and Life and Death once again.
Now with two hundred percent more obvious tracing!

f**k this already.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: SiL on Feb 26, 2021, 10:46:26 PM
Do whatever is how it works in Prometheus, so nothing new there.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Feb 26, 2021, 10:47:50 PM
Yeah and it sucks in Prometheus.

But got retconned in Alien Covenant to not be that.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: 426Buddy on Feb 26, 2021, 11:03:34 PM
Yeah I'm thinking I'm going to end my Alien/Predator comic collection with Dark Horse. Seems like a good time to stop.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Feb 26, 2021, 11:04:14 PM
According to David it was fiendishly inventive and toke so many forms.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Nukiemorph on Feb 26, 2021, 11:06:51 PM
I love the creepy concept of waking up to "ALIEN INSIDE" on your cryotube.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 26, 2021, 11:09:37 PM
Looks just like the Star Wars comics.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Feb 26, 2021, 11:10:55 PM
According to David it also wiped out all the meat if you will.

This blatantly contradicts that.

F&S and L&D can be forgiven in part for only having Prometheus to go on but this just looks to me like plagarism of not only a number of artists, but the master himself H.R Giger, masquerading as something new.

Everything about this sucks.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Rando Fan on Feb 26, 2021, 11:26:01 PM
The whole trailer and the cover art is freaking jawesome, just can't get behind the Alien's inner jaw being flung around a bit like a normal tongue, just odd.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: SiL on Feb 26, 2021, 11:47:20 PM
Covenant still shows it destroying some things and mutating others. It's really not much clearer.

Does this rampant tracing mean the Aliens are going to look different every panel?  :D
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Feb 26, 2021, 11:54:09 PM
What does it mutate?
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Hunter-Killer on Feb 27, 2021, 12:01:56 AM
Your mom
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Feb 27, 2021, 12:05:54 AM
Damn... you got me.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: SiL on Feb 27, 2021, 12:17:52 AM
Quote from: Trash Queen on Feb 26, 2021, 11:54:09 PM
What does it mutate?
Insects that David later used to make the Alien.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: RidgeTop on Feb 27, 2021, 12:19:12 AM
Mr. Tristan Jones has some thoughts.

https://twitter.com/tyrannojones/status/1365433668139851777
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: SiL on Feb 27, 2021, 12:23:27 AM
QuoteUnder David's manipulation yes he does a lot.
David finds already mutated lifeforms as his starting point.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Hunter-Killer on Feb 27, 2021, 12:27:44 AM
Yeah, I think David crossbred mutations, but I don't think he was responsible for the initial mutations after the bombing
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Feb 27, 2021, 12:28:14 AM
Quote from: SiL on Feb 27, 2021, 12:23:26 AM
Quote
Under David's manipulation yes he does a lot.
But that's not what he describes that it does upon typical deployment.
And we don't have to go by his word, we see it in the film, and it's documented in David's Drawings.
David finds already mutated lifeforms as his starting point.

The thing he gazes through his microscope at in the film's the Pathogen itself not an insect mutated by it.

He makes it perfectly clear that the Pathogen kills all the fauna but not the flora.

The Pods and Motes from them also being whole cloth created by the Pathogen itself afterwards.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: SiL on Feb 27, 2021, 12:35:39 AM
That's not really in the movie. He says they came "from these eggs", but never actually says what the eggs are.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Feb 27, 2021, 12:45:42 AM
It's obvious, considering the dissected Neomorphs being all around him when he says it:
"Patience is everything. From the eggs came these parasites. Shock troops of the genetic assault. Waiting for a host. Entering the host. Rewriting the DNA. And ultimately producing...well...these enviable unions." -David 

Pods: Eggs

Motes: Parasites "Shock troops"

Neomorphs: "Enviable unions"
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: SiL on Feb 27, 2021, 12:49:54 AM
The pods aren't seen or mentioned in the scene. He says "these eggs" without discussing what eggs he's talking about.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: judge death on Feb 27, 2021, 12:49:57 AM
OMG that human xenomorph hybrid they teased in the latest marvel trailer, a bit like eve from species, omg how bad it is and looks silly and bad design xD and adding this to the alien series..... Seems to become more and more a clusterf**k in my eyes, and more tracing of xenomorph toys....
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Feb 27, 2021, 12:51:54 AM
Oh dear..Unless it was manufactured by David, who would have thought the Space Jockeys used Victorian-looking gold microscopes and lavender scent to flavor their catacombs  :laugh:
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Feb 27, 2021, 12:55:34 AM
Quote from: SiL on Feb 27, 2021, 12:49:54 AM
The pods aren't seen or mentioned in the scene. He says "these eggs" without discussing what eggs he's talking about.

Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Hunter-Killer on Feb 27, 2021, 12:55:59 AM
@judge death

They aren't toys, they're collectible action figures and they are worth more than your car
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: judge death on Feb 27, 2021, 12:59:22 AM
Quote from: Hunter-Killer on Feb 27, 2021, 12:55:59 AM
@judge death

They aren't toys, they're collectible action figures and they are worth more than your car
expensive toys then? ;)
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: SiL on Feb 27, 2021, 01:03:25 AM
Quote from: Trash Queen on Feb 27, 2021, 12:55:34 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6dF99kuzgU
I'm going by the scene as presented in the film, not the BTS. He doesn't mention what eggs or where they came from. When he says "all that's left outside of the initial virus" he seems to be looking at the neomorphs.

Besides which, him saying it's highly mutable and takes many forms feels a lot like him specifically hand-waving the "does whatever" nature of the pathogen seen in Prometheus.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Rex on Feb 27, 2021, 01:17:07 AM
Look at all those Neca Figures lmao
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Feb 27, 2021, 01:22:12 AM
The reason I linked it being the video opens with the scene as presented in the film to remind you.
From sixteen seconds in to thirty six seconds in specifically.

He's looking at the parasite under the microscope, says his line I already posted:
"Patience is everything. From the eggs came these parasites. Shock troops of the genetic assault. Waiting for a host. Entering the host. Rewriting the DNA. And ultimately producing...well...these enviable unions." -David

Then when he reaches the statement I underlined looks at his displayed Neomorph collection.

We know from earlier in the film by observation that Ledward disturbs a Pod on the ground and, then a black mass of particles flies out in a formation into his ear canal then into the exposed skin, later he births the first Neomorph we see.

So if David's looking at the displayed Neomorph collection and refers to the parasite under the microscope as being responsible, and it comes from an egg, ergo obviously:

Egg: Pod

Parasite: Mote

Enviable union: Neomorph
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: PAS Spinelli on Feb 27, 2021, 01:24:36 AM
More traced figures, the inner jaw bending itself, a bugwomen, yeah, I don't think this will do the already decaying lore any favors
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Hunter-Killer on Feb 27, 2021, 01:28:51 AM
I hate Prometheus but I'm going to go ahead and point out that the virus mutated fairfield. I think covenant was a better movie than Prometheus, but I would still like some better Canon to explain the pathogen, until then I kind of stick with whatever sounds the least stupid and is still cool
Title: Re: Marvel\'s First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Feb 27, 2021, 01:34:30 AM
Quote from: SiL on Feb 27, 2021, 01:03:25 AM
Him saying it's highly mutable and takes many forms feels a lot like him specifically hand-waving the "does whatever" nature of the pathogen seen in Prometheus.

Perhaps it is indeed, perhaps not, perhaps he's just describing it being "fiendishly inventive in fact" as displayed in the film under his care.

But that does in no way contradict the depiction in Alien Covenant, it does kill all the fauna, it does not kill the flora.

After all that only the Pods and Motes within remain.


Quote from: Hunter-Killer on Feb 27, 2021, 01:28:50 AM
Fifield Prometheus

Yes as David said, it (The Pathogen) either, kills you outright or creates a hybrid form.

Always developing into a pale white partially translucent creature with extended limbs.

Designed to kill other things then presumably also die itself, to clean the planet, as designed.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: SiL on Feb 27, 2021, 01:40:58 AM
Quote from: Trash Queen on Feb 27, 2021, 01:22:12 AM
We know from earlier in the film by observation that Leward disturbs a Pod on the ground and, then a black mass of particles flies out in a formation into his ear canal then into the exposed skin, later he births the first Neomorph we see.

So if David's looking at the displayed Neomorph collection and refers to the parasite under the microscope as being responsible, and it comes from an egg, ergo obviously:

Egg: Pod

Parasite: Mote

Enviable union: Neomorph
The film shows the pods produce motes, tiny particles -- not tiny insects. It does it twice, even, so it's not reasonable to assume the insects come from the same source.

And if the insects do come from the same pods, we're still left with "does whatever" as the pathogen's function. Sometimes it's a mote, sometimes it's an insect, sometimes it turns you into a zombie, sometimes it makes something grow inside you, f**k it.

QuotePerhaps it is indeed, perhaps not, perhaps he's just describing it being "fiendishly inventive in fact" as displayed in the film under his care.
He said the pathogen itself is fiendishly inventive based on his observations, before he started working with it.

The only consistent thing is that it destroys, but how it does that changes on the whim of whatever scene the authors want to create. So f**k it, it destroys you by turning you into a Giger monster, why not. It's all stupid.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: PAS Spinelli on Feb 27, 2021, 01:45:24 AM
I like to think that the goo actually came from the Alien, and that when it mutates it's trying it's hardest to evolve back into it with what it already has
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Hunter-Killer on Feb 27, 2021, 01:45:43 AM
I don't know, there's some cool theories out there but in the grand scheme of things I don't think the derelict was ever supposed to be a bomber, and the only reason they found the eggs in the ship instead of in the temple as originally written was because of budget constraints. Ridley Scott shot himself in the foot by making the prequels, and now everyone has to play mental Jenga trying to make better sense of the origin of the xenomorph.

Between Prometheus and covenant, and the Predator, I prefer if movies stopped trying to explain origins and just moved forward with something fresh and exciting
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: PAS Spinelli on Feb 27, 2021, 01:49:31 AM
I agree, the Alien was better off as the vaguely explained cargo of an ancient ship, which was just slightly implied to be carrying weapons, not as the "child" of a sexually frustrated robot with daddy issues
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Feb 27, 2021, 01:50:26 AM
@SiL

Check out pages 8/9/10- I had this discussion once already, evidences' here from the film's scripts and storyboards.

https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=60997.105

Here's a preview of one post for instance:
(https://i.imgur.com/eIJw3kd.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/vUORgZE.jpg)

The Pathogen produces the Pods first but:
The motes = the insects.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: SiL on Feb 27, 2021, 01:55:22 AM
Right but that's not what the film shows.

And you're still missing the point. The point is the precedence is way set that the Pathogen does whatever the f**k someone wants it to do, so long as it results in something dying. That's the only consistent thing. So long as it doesn't start destroying plants, they're fine.

Complaining about Marvel just doing what the thing was established to do is super far down on the list of genuine complains about what we're seeing from this first issue.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Hunter-Killer on Feb 27, 2021, 01:59:26 AM
God damn it, now people are going to think that my giger li tattoo is a marvel alien tattoo haha.

Someone needs to get a tattoo of the wiggly tongues xenomorph though, make it happen
Title: Re: Marvel\'s First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Feb 27, 2021, 02:04:38 AM
Quote from: SiL on Feb 27, 2021, 01:55:22 AM
Right but that's not what the film shows.

It is.

It shows us the Pathogen's process and the Neomorph process resulting because of it.

Filled in with dialogue as applicable.


Quote from: SiL on Feb 27, 2021, 01:55:22 AM
And you're still missing the point. The point is the precedence is way set that the Pathogen does whatever the f**k someone wants it to do, so long as it results in something dying. That's the only consistent thing. So long as it doesn't start destroying plants, they're fine.

I do not agree.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: SiL on Feb 27, 2021, 02:08:35 AM
QuoteIt is.
The film does not show the motes as insects in that scene. I am watching it now. When it zooms in, they are insects as the storyboard depicts. So, no, that storyboard is not how the scene plays out.

However I've said repeatedly this is ancillary to the argument. I do not understand why you are so resolutely refusing to address the actual point I'm making so I'm going to stop.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Feb 27, 2021, 02:12:14 AM
It is the argument, because I believe the Pathogen's internally consistent with obvious rules, within Alien Covenant anyway.

It does not result in the biomechanical for a start. In fact the opposite. But with other things present recognisable in the titular Alien.

As stated it's designed to clean a planet of all non-botanical life to achieve this it ultimately either kills you outright or creates a hybrid form, the former we see with the Engineers on Planet 4, the latter we see with what happened to Doctor Charlie Holloway and Sean Fifield. (Hybrid forms) And afterwards it spawns Neomorphs from Motes and Pods. (Hybrid forms) I do not think it's as complex as appearances suggest.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: SM on Feb 27, 2021, 02:16:43 AM
Needs more Dexy's Midnight Runners.

(https://d2lzb5v10mb0lj.cloudfront.net/covers/300/a/alcm9.jpg)

Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: SiL on Feb 27, 2021, 02:18:32 AM
Quote from: SM on Feb 27, 2021, 02:16:43 AM
Needs more Dexy's Midnight Runners.

https://d2lzb5v10mb0lj.cloudfront.net/covers/300/a/alcm9.jpg
That boy can hear you talking shit about his stupid ears from the next continent over.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Feb 27, 2021, 02:19:38 AM
Quote from: Hunter-Killer on Feb 27, 2021, 01:59:26 AM
God damn it, now people are going to think that my giger li tattoo is a marvel alien tattoo haha.

Someone needs to get a tattoo of the wiggly tongues xenomorph though, make it happen

Oh really? you wasted half your life getting that tattoo. Some here think he looks like the red guy from Legend and maybe Kerrigan.

(https://s4.gifyu.com/images/tenorbf9622ad74bd5c64.gif)
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: bone grill on Feb 27, 2021, 02:29:38 AM
is that sil or at least one of her species 
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: judge death on Feb 27, 2021, 02:33:19 AM
Quote from: PAS Spinelli on Feb 27, 2021, 01:45:24 AM
I like to think that the goo actually came from the Alien, and that when it mutates it's trying it's hardest to evolve back into it with what it already has
Im pretty sure its actually xenomorph dna thats used as a biological weapon.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Bug hunt wilson on Feb 27, 2021, 03:31:19 AM
I am Hoping the bug woman is in fact a female engineer in combat armor and this combat armor produces a pheromone that makes nearby xenomorphs loyal to her instead of some alien resurrection bullshit that the trailer hints at.If you pause the trailer at the lab panel you see human xenomorph hybrid embryos.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: SuperiorIronman on Feb 27, 2021, 03:34:47 AM
Quote from: Hunter-Killer on Feb 27, 2021, 01:45:43 AM
I don't know, there's some cool theories out there but in the grand scheme of things I don't think the derelict was ever supposed to be a bomber, and the only reason they found the eggs in the ship instead of in the temple as originally written was because of budget constraints. Ridley Scott shot himself in the foot by making the prequels, and now everyone has to play mental Jenga trying to make better sense of the origin of the xenomorph.

Between Prometheus and covenant, and the Predator, I prefer if movies stopped trying to explain origins and just moved forward with something fresh and exciting

The Predator wasn't an origin story. It was the Human characters trying to rationalize the Assassin and why Fugitive had some Human DNA by noting that they take things like heads and spines with them (rationalizing where they'd get the DNA). The final film never answers why they're hybridizing with anything definitive. At best the Predators at some point pulled an Indominous Rex and made a roided out assassin but that's all the film ever tackles on the subject. Everything else the Humans speculate about them based on what very little information they have.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Hunter-Killer on Feb 27, 2021, 03:46:23 AM
@Superiorironman

Trying to explain that the predator was taking skull/vertabae to hybridize with prey dna is what I was referring to, not that the predator tried to explain the origin of Predator
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: PAS Spinelli on Feb 27, 2021, 03:48:48 AM
Quote from: SuperiorIronman on Feb 27, 2021, 03:34:47 AM
Quote from: Hunter-Killer on Feb 27, 2021, 01:45:43 AM
I don't know, there's some cool theories out there but in the grand scheme of things I don't think the derelict was ever supposed to be a bomber, and the only reason they found the eggs in the ship instead of in the temple as originally written was because of budget constraints. Ridley Scott shot himself in the foot by making the prequels, and now everyone has to play mental Jenga trying to make better sense of the origin of the xenomorph.

Between Prometheus and covenant, and the Predator, I prefer if movies stopped trying to explain origins and just moved forward with something fresh and exciting

The Predator wasn't an origin story. It was the Human characters trying to rationalize the Assassin and why Fugitive had some Human DNA by noting that they take things like heads and spines with them (rationalizing where they'd get the DNA). The final film never answers why they're hybridizing with anything definitive. At best the Predators at some point pulled an Indominous Rex and made a roided out assassin but that's all the film ever tackles on the subject. Everything else the Humans speculate about them based on what very little information they have.
The way the movie words it's dialogue is to explain to the audience why they do this, it was meant to explain why the Pred take spines, the different designs, etc. It was dumb, and hoping or thinking otherwise is wishful thinking, what the movie we got said is that the Predators were hybrids that collect autism via spine ripping, something that thankfully has been isolated to the individuals of that movie since PHG and its prequel completely ignore this
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: EJA on Feb 27, 2021, 11:05:51 AM
Maybe the pathogen has since been modified by Weyland-Yutani, leading to the creation of the human-Alien Queen hybrid?
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: SiL on Feb 27, 2021, 11:38:41 AM
Can we all just appreciate the panel of an Alien horde that is clearly just the NECA Alien in different poses.

Art.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Drukathi on Feb 27, 2021, 12:11:23 PM
I feel you pain.
It would be better if it were Eaglemoss figures  ::)
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: SiL on Feb 27, 2021, 12:22:18 PM
Or if the artist just drew some f**king Aliens, not traced them.

It looks like a late 2000s webcomic.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Drukathi on Feb 27, 2021, 12:29:02 PM
You should be grateful.

We could get regular photos under a ton of filters.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: SiL on Feb 27, 2021, 12:39:47 PM
It feels like that's what we're getting anyway.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: 426Buddy on Feb 27, 2021, 12:52:41 PM
Quote from: SiL on Feb 27, 2021, 11:38:41 AM
Can we all just appreciate the panel of an Alien horde that is clearly just the NECA Alien in different poses.

Art.

:D

Quote from: Drukathi on Feb 27, 2021, 12:29:02 PM
You should be grateful.

We could get regular photos under a ton of filters.


Not grateful

I'm just going to take Tristan's advice and not buy garbage just because it has Alien stamped on it.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Ultramorph on Feb 27, 2021, 01:07:51 PM
I'm very torn on this series given all the nonsense. I will say that the
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black goo/Bugmen
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angle has me a little more intrigued.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: SuperiorIronman on Feb 27, 2021, 02:07:09 PM
Quote from: PAS Spinelli on Feb 27, 2021, 03:48:48 AM
Quote from: SuperiorIronman on Feb 27, 2021, 03:34:47 AM
Quote from: Hunter-Killer on Feb 27, 2021, 01:45:43 AM
I don't know, there's some cool theories out there but in the grand scheme of things I don't think the derelict was ever supposed to be a bomber, and the only reason they found the eggs in the ship instead of in the temple as originally written was because of budget constraints. Ridley Scott shot himself in the foot by making the prequels, and now everyone has to play mental Jenga trying to make better sense of the origin of the xenomorph.

Between Prometheus and covenant, and the Predator, I prefer if movies stopped trying to explain origins and just moved forward with something fresh and exciting

The Predator wasn't an origin story. It was the Human characters trying to rationalize the Assassin and why Fugitive had some Human DNA by noting that they take things like heads and spines with them (rationalizing where they'd get the DNA). The final film never answers why they're hybridizing with anything definitive. At best the Predators at some point pulled an Indominous Rex and made a roided out assassin but that's all the film ever tackles on the subject. Everything else the Humans speculate about them based on what very little information they have.
The way the movie words it's dialogue is to explain to the audience why they do this, it was meant to explain why the Pred take spines, the different designs, etc. It was dumb, and hoping or thinking otherwise is wishful thinking, what the movie we got said is that the Predators were hybrids that collect autism via spine ripping, something that thankfully has been isolated to the individuals of that movie since PHG and its prequel completely ignore this

The movie never retcons the trophy hunting. It was the human characters rationalizing the Assassin and why Fugitive had Human DNA. The Predators at no point say they're hunting autism and Assassin only took Rory because he could use the tech easily and wanted to know why.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Feb 27, 2021, 02:55:33 PM
The first piece of Alien media to already be non-canon before it comes out! 🤣
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Bug hunt wilson on Feb 27, 2021, 04:02:20 PM
Are you just kidding or do you have some evidence?
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Feb 27, 2021, 05:32:20 PM
I am mostly joking, but we can vote with our wallets whether we like the direction or not, and that's ultimately the deciding factor.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: acrediblesource on Feb 27, 2021, 06:18:47 PM
Art looks uninspiring. I mean, when did digital tracing become a thing people wanted to see? Or did a corpo say "it streamed line our asset production process saving thousands of dollars in manual laboured tasks such art.".
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: immortalundead on Feb 27, 2021, 06:28:54 PM
The Alien comic preview definitely made it an easy pass... I have a few more darkhorse comics to collect then I can call it done.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Bug hunt wilson on Feb 27, 2021, 09:07:29 PM
Because billion dollar companies are tired of making money it seems and traceing helps them with the process
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: RhubarbLeaves on Feb 27, 2021, 09:36:55 PM
That art is just terrible. Absolutely lazy talentless junk. This is meant to be their premiere issue that sells the series so I dread to think how much worse it's going to get.
Title: Re: Marvel\'s First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: [cancerblack] on Feb 27, 2021, 10:00:21 PM
Quote from: PAS Spinelli on Feb 27, 2021, 01:45:24 AM
I like to think that the goo actually came from the Alien, and that when it mutates it's trying it's hardest to evolve back into it with what it already has

This but with added Yog-Sothothery.


Quote from: Hunter-Killer on Feb 27, 2021, 12:55:59 AM
@judge death

They aren't toys, they're collectible action figures and they are worth more than your car




(https://64.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m1b3dazeDT1r5r4uyo1_500.gifv)





It's not a doll, it's an action figure!





Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Feb 27, 2021, 10:27:37 PM
Quote from: acrediblesource on Feb 27, 2021, 06:18:47 PM
I mean, when did digital tracing become a thing people wanted to see?

Now that's a sound complaint, and probably the biggest problem here.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: EJA on Feb 27, 2021, 10:59:10 PM
I can excuse low quality art if the story is any good. That's what mainly concerns me.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Feb 27, 2021, 11:24:04 PM
It will not be.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Xenomorphine on Feb 28, 2021, 01:56:09 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 26, 2021, 08:16:16 PM
So guess this is how the accelerant is playing into this one...

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(https://i.imgur.com/hWEpaFj.png)
[close]

Honestly, that's fine by me. I've a fond spot for the
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Bugmen from Colonial marines
[close]
and this is a direction I've wanted to see taken more firmly.

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We see Ripley 8-esque hybrids in stasis tubes. I suspect she's resulting from whatever's going on with those.

Would be nice if this is taking account of the fourth film and showing this as precursors to those experiments.
[close]

As for that appearance...

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Many fans are assuming it's wholly influenced by Giger/Sil, but the horizontal headgear makes me think we could also be seeing inspiration from 'Warhammer Fantasy' artistic depictions. Could make a case for the body having things in common with devotees of Slaanesh, but that head design immediately made me think of Morathi.

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/Screenshot_20210226-145329_Video-Player-701x397.png)

Compare:

(https://i.redd.it/1r3ynkakn8oz.png)
(https://cdnb.artstation.com/p/assets/images/images/007/521/869/large/tom-parker-tomp-def-morathi-lp-01.jpg)

Similarities are definitely there.
[close]
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Xiggz456 on Feb 28, 2021, 02:13:01 AM
Quote from: Trash Queen on Feb 27, 2021, 11:24:04 PM
It will not be.

Oh cuz you've been privy to the script? You don't know if it's a good story or not so how bout we wait and see instead of giving speculative shit takes please.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: [cancerblack] on Feb 28, 2021, 02:31:21 AM
Quote from: Xiggz456 on Feb 28, 2021, 02:13:01 AM
Quote from: Trash Queen on Feb 27, 2021, 11:24:04 PM
It will not be.

Oh cuz you've been privy to the script? You don't know if it's a good story or not so how bout we wait and see instead of giving speculative shit takes please.


I'd say "when is anything ever good?", but apparently people are really enjoying Into Charybdis.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 28, 2021, 02:31:55 AM
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Feb 28, 2021, 02:31:21 AM
Quote from: Xiggz456 on Feb 28, 2021, 02:13:01 AM
Quote from: Trash Queen on Feb 27, 2021, 11:24:04 PM
It will not be.

Oh cuz you've been privy to the script? You don't know if it's a good story or not so how bout we wait and see instead of giving speculative shit takes please.

I'd say "when is anything ever good?", but apparently people are really enjoying Into Charybdis.

I await her verdict.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: SM on Feb 28, 2021, 02:34:16 AM
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Feb 28, 2021, 01:56:09 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 26, 2021, 08:16:16 PM
So guess this is how the accelerant is playing into this one...

Spoiler
(https://i.imgur.com/hWEpaFj.png)
[close]

Honestly, that's fine by me. I've a fond spot for the
Spoiler
Bugmen from Colonial marines
[close]
and this is a direction I've wanted to see taken more firmly.

Spoiler
We see Ripley 8-esque hybrids in stasis tubes. I suspect she's resulting from whatever's going on with those.

Would be nice if this is taking account of the fourth film and showing this as precursors to those experiments.
[close]

As for that appearance...

Spoiler
Many fans are assuming it's wholly influenced by Giger/Sil, but the horizontal headgear makes me think we could also be seeing inspiration from 'Warhammer Fantasy' artistic depictions. Could make a case for the body having things in common with devotees of Slaanesh, but that head design immediately made me think of Morathi.

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/Screenshot_20210226-145329_Video-Player-701x397.png)

Compare:

(https://i.redd.it/1r3ynkakn8oz.png)
(https://cdnb.artstation.com/p/assets/images/images/007/521/869/large/tom-parker-tomp-def-morathi-lp-01.jpg)

Similarities are definitely there.
[close]

It's a take on Giger's Li pieces which were inspiration for Shaw in Covenant.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: [cancerblack] on Feb 28, 2021, 02:39:27 AM
With a hearty helping of Species thrown in, although the similarities there were already pronounced.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 28, 2021, 02:43:55 AM
It's actually what I'd like to see Ripley 8 mutate into after AR.  It would be a fresh direction to take her character.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Feb 28, 2021, 02:52:00 AM
Quote from: Xiggz456 on Feb 12, 1975, 02:14:40 PM
Quote from: Trash Queen on Feb 27, 2021, 11:24:04 PM
It will not be.
Oh cuz you've been privy to the script? You don't know if it's a good story or not so how bout we wait and see instead of giving speculative shit takes please.

Fair enough it might be against all odds.
But between the traced action figures, art plagiarism, lazy renderings and the totally incongruous Species stuff.
It will at most be a good story still wrapped in a shit sandwich.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Bug hunt wilson on Feb 28, 2021, 04:18:47 AM
People arguing about the black goo but there seems few  comlments talking about the traceing which is god awful
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: judge death on Feb 28, 2021, 06:35:52 AM
Interesting is my response got their writer to say this on twitter about the sil/species creature which many marvel fans see as gigers and then automaticly belong to the alien series which I disagree on but none the less:
Don't get too hung up on it. No sharks have been jumped, it'll make sense in the context of the story when it's finished.
I would say it takes a lot to come up with a species creature in the alien franchise, nor have the xenomorphs ever created creatures nor can they so if I ask myself how to make a creature like this to show up and these are the theories I can think of:
1: Its ripley 8 but that dont fit into the timeline unless you break the lore with time machines.
2: its part of weyland yutani experimentation: gene manipulations and using the xenos and creating human xeno hybrids etc. Once again breaking lore of what has been established earlier.
3: Species franchise now is part of alien, hicks said in twitter he sees them as enginner weapon.
4: marvels idea of: if you et xenonorphs breed and after a few generations mutate so wildly its a completely new species, again nothing that has been shown earlier but rather shown false ine arlier established lore.
5: the sil like creature is a new alien species that show upf or the first time, writer creating new stuff for the franchise based on gigers designs. So far the best idea.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: [cancerblack] on Feb 28, 2021, 08:54:18 AM
Quote from: Bug hunt wilson on Feb 28, 2021, 04:18:47 AM
People arguing about the black goo but there seems few  comlments talking about the traceing which is god awful

Did you even read the thread?
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Drukathi on Feb 28, 2021, 10:54:31 AM
Quote from: Xiggz456 on Feb 28, 2021, 02:13:01 AM
Quote from: Trash Queen on Feb 27, 2021, 11:24:04 PM
It will not be.

Oh cuz you've been privy to the script? You don't know if it's a good story or not so how bout we wait and see instead of giving speculative shit takes please.

That's right!

We need to remember that beautiful art did not save Defiance vol 2 from a lame storytelling. Yes, it looks beautiful, but it's better to just look than read.
Plus, isn't it all about tastes? DH had the same problem with a lot of stories. Some people adore F&S/L&D, some - don't. Some people like Dead Orbit, but some just: "Ufffff".

I see that some people here are just trying to start a train of hate. But their only argument is righteous anger about tracing.
The story looks intriguing to me, and it would be interesting for me to see new creatures like Elden from F&S.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Nameprometheusfire on Feb 28, 2021, 12:19:29 PM
Maybe the Xeno lady is what became of Shaw's corpse post covenant ?
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Feb 28, 2021, 01:02:03 PM
The tracing and obvious references are a f**king shame, but I'm really damn excited to see where the narrative goes. I actually really liked Elden in F&S, so I'm really looking forward to seeing what this new Xenolady is. I love a bit of Sil or Li in my Alien, and I've been waiting for it for a while now.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Feb 28, 2021, 02:20:22 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 28, 2021, 01:02:03 PM
I love a bit of Sil or Li in my Alien, and I've been waiting for it for a while now.

So much this! 8) And hopefully in live-action form in the future 🙏
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Feb 28, 2021, 03:32:34 PM
Creating a graphic novel's the art of getting lots of aspects correct, much like a film, it's also often a collaborative process.

It does not matter how good or bad the script, as so much already's completely compromised, alone think of everything discussed with Jeremy Barlow concerning the importance of layout that's already thrown away in clear apathy, because the quality of the narrative in this medium's not just dependant on the writing alone.

I'm obviously not in the majority, in that I loathe seeing humans covered in biomechanical skin or in a suit, that does not belong in Alien, it belongs in Species, and just because it's a creation of H.R Giger does not mean it's appropriate for Alien, the reason Elizabeth Shaw works as Li's because of what happened in the story of Alien Covenant around the body being mutilated, decorated, preserved, and used for David's own ends.

This looks like just exploiting his creations for all their worth, no matter the content, I am not okay with that.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: PAS Spinelli on Feb 28, 2021, 04:34:21 PM
Just noticed something among that godawful trace fest, there are runners alongside the soldiers/warriors/drones
(https://i.imgur.com/MvudKra.png)
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Xenomorphine on Feb 28, 2021, 04:47:58 PM
Quote from: SM on Feb 28, 2021, 02:34:16 AM
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Feb 28, 2021, 01:56:09 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 26, 2021, 08:16:16 PM
So guess this is how the accelerant is playing into this one...

Spoiler
(https://i.imgur.com/hWEpaFj.png)
[close]

Honestly, that's fine by me. I've a fond spot for the
Spoiler
Bugmen from Colonial marines
[close]
and this is a direction I've wanted to see taken more firmly.

Spoiler
We see Ripley 8-esque hybrids in stasis tubes. I suspect she's resulting from whatever's going on with those.

Would be nice if this is taking account of the fourth film and showing this as precursors to those experiments.
[close]

As for that appearance...

Spoiler
Many fans are assuming it's wholly influenced by Giger/Sil, but the horizontal headgear makes me think we could also be seeing inspiration from 'Warhammer Fantasy' artistic depictions. Could make a case for the body having things in common with devotees of Slaanesh, but that head design immediately made me think of Morathi.

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/Screenshot_20210226-145329_Video-Player-701x397.png)

Compare:

(https://i.redd.it/1r3ynkakn8oz.png)
(https://cdnb.artstation.com/p/assets/images/images/007/521/869/large/tom-parker-tomp-def-morathi-lp-01.jpg)

Similarities are definitely there.
[close]

It's a take on Giger's Li pieces which were inspiration for Shaw in Covenant.

Unless the artistic team say otherwise, I find the horn/tentacle arrangement to be too coincidentally similar to Morathi to ignore. But it's not even that; even the way Morathi's helmet wraps around the sides of her face is mirrored in this other design. They're Sil-like eyes, but the general head design has far too much in common with Morathi for me to ignore her as a probable artistic inspiration.

It's basically Morathi as a Borg Queen with Sil's eyes. :)
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Nukiemorph on Feb 28, 2021, 04:50:18 PM
Quote from: PAS Spinelli on Feb 28, 2021, 04:34:21 PM
Just noticed something among that godawful trace fest, there are runners alongside the soldiers/warriors/drones
(https://i.imgur.com/MvudKra.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/5D1JR76.jpg)
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I think that's a praetomorph in there too.

But as long as there's reason for this in the story, whatever.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Feb 28, 2021, 04:50:55 PM
Makes me think of Lilith actually.

And yes that's a Praetomorph indeed.

But also a traced NECA figure.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: judge death on Feb 28, 2021, 05:16:17 PM
so xenomorphs can create sil creatures now? urgh.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Feb 28, 2021, 05:25:21 PM
Given they have no limits, has anyone here found Alien fanart yet?

Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Feb 28, 2021, 05:32:52 PM
Plagiarus Preapotens when deposited creates the traditional Alien, Facehugger, Chestburster, and adult. (Drone/Warrior/Runner/Defender/Praetorian Guard/Praetorian Charger) With the "Royalty bloodline" if you like being an extension of that. Plagiarus Linesteres when deposited creates the Praetomorph or Stalker from Alien Covenant.

The Pathogen creates Neomorphs and also gradually turns people and certain animals that initially survive it into Neomorphic beings until death. (No biomechanics)

Marvel's Alien already requires a lot of justification (for what we see in previews) considering this.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: judge death on Feb 28, 2021, 05:38:32 PM
they will probably do what ridley would: handwave that away and say xenos dont work like that and we do whatever we like for our story to work :P I dont see how marvel will be able to explaina ll these different xenos and mutations and stuff we have seen which has never happened or been seen before.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Feb 28, 2021, 05:53:40 PM
While it seems more like F&S in the messy sence, maybe they are doing an Alan Dean Foster by ignoring the source material, like the ancient ovomorph created by the Engineers in the Covenant novelization.

But yeah...

Pathogen (no biomechanical beasts) ➡ stick bug Praetomorph created by David ➡ Giger's Alien ➡ Plagiarus Preapotens ~
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Feb 28, 2021, 05:54:22 PM
I understand the story comes first but for me Alien The RPG, Cold Forge, Into Charybdis, and Phalanx make things complex by building a beautiful web for storytellers to draw upon that do not contradict each other.

This gets on my nerves because dubious quality of the storytelling and presentation aside (arguably existing as one in this particular medium) it appears to do exactly that.

It may surprise me but I doubt it.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: judge death on Feb 28, 2021, 06:06:44 PM
exactly, we have what is cannon and shown how the xenomorphs work, and what royal jelly can and cant do, and same for the black goo, none of it can do what marvel has shown us and goes against everything mentioned in these books and comics and games etc, I lean more toward: marvels writer just ignore it and create whatever he thinks will be cool and scary and saying: screw the old lore.
Title: Re: Marvel\\\\\\\'s First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Feb 28, 2021, 06:52:52 PM
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Feb 28, 2021, 04:47:58 PM
Unless the artistic team say otherwise, I find the horn/tentacle arrangement to be too coincidentally similar to Morathi to ignore. But it's not even that; even the way Morathi's helmet wraps around the sides of her face is mirrored in this other design. They're Sil-like eyes, but the general head design has far too much in common with Morathi for me to ignore her as a probable artistic inspiration.

It's basically Morathi as a Borg Queen with Sil's eyes. :)

Aside from the shape of the horns, I really don't see much else there.

(https://i.pinimg.com/474x/55/c8/5c/55c85cd61ef3fbc954dddfbbec8f373a.jpg)

I think it's more clearly a take on Sil or Li than it is the Morathi. The Borg Queen was always inspired by Giger too.


Quote from: judge death on Feb 28, 2021, 05:16:17 PM
so xenomorphs can create sil creatures now? urgh.

While we don't know for sure, I think it's far more likely that it'll be something to do with the black goo is responsible for this Xeno-lady than the actual Aliens themselves.


Quote from: Trash Queen on Feb 28, 2021, 05:32:52 PM
Marvel's Alien already requires a lot of justification (for what we see in previews) considering this.

I wouldn't say so. Remember that Blue's interest in PP is because of its potential to rewrite DNA. And the PP is very obviously related to the black goo.


Quote from: Trash Queen on Feb 28, 2021, 05:54:22 PM
I understand the story comes first but for me Alien The RPG, Cold Forge, Into Charybdis, and Phalanx make things complex by building a beautiful web for storytellers to draw upon that do not contradict each other.

Have you finished Charybdis yet?

Spoiler
Because it relates to this very much.
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Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: [cancerblack] on Feb 28, 2021, 07:10:49 PM
QuoteWhile we don't know for sure, I think it's far more likely that it'll be something to do with the black goo is responsible for this Xeno-lady than the actual Aliens themselves.

I just want Engies or SJs stroggifying people.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Feb 28, 2021, 07:12:22 PM
I have not but I understand from context alone you're driving at something opening the door for this. But even so it is not an ability present innately. It must be drawn out by extensive manipulation.

Like David drawing out Plagiarus Linesteres from the Pathogen itself, but he's an artificial intelligence with processing capacity far beyond human beings, and used an entire planet to do it.

I'm guessing from Plagiarus Preapotens then, because biomechanics do not present in Plagiarus Linesteres, even so I will wait and see but I'm still ultimately apprehensive.

Title: Re: Marvel\\\\\\\'s First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Xiggz456 on Feb 28, 2021, 07:52:19 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 28, 2021, 06:52:52 PM
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Feb 28, 2021, 04:47:58 PM
Unless the artistic team say otherwise, I find the horn/tentacle arrangement to be too coincidentally similar to Morathi to ignore. But it's not even that; even the way Morathi's helmet wraps around the sides of her face is mirrored in this other design. They're Sil-like eyes, but the general head design has far too much in common with Morathi for me to ignore her as a probable artistic inspiration.

It's basically Morathi as a Borg Queen with Sil's eyes. :)

Aside from the shape of the horns, I really don't see much else there.

https://i.pinimg.com/474x/55/c8/5c/55c85cd61ef3fbc954dddfbbec8f373a.jpg

I think it's more clearly a take on Sil or Li than it is the Morathi. The Borg Queen was always inspired by Giger too.


Quote from: judge death on Feb 28, 2021, 05:16:17 PM
so xenomorphs can create sil creatures now? urgh.

While we don't know for sure, I think it's far more likely that it'll be something to do with the black goo is responsible for this Xeno-lady than the actual Aliens themselves.


Quote from: Trash Queen on Feb 28, 2021, 05:32:52 PM
Marvel's Alien already requires a lot of justification (for what we see in previews) considering this.

I wouldn't say so. Remember that Blue's interest in PP is because of its potential to rewrite DNA. And the PP is very obviously related to the black goo.


Quote from: Trash Queen on Feb 28, 2021, 05:54:22 PM
I understand the story comes first but for me Alien The RPG, Cold Forge, Into Charybdis, and Phalanx make things complex by building a beautiful web for storytellers to draw upon that do not contradict each other.

Have you finished Charybdis yet?

Spoiler
Because it relates to this very much.
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That last part! I was thinking the exact same thing!!!!
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: EJA on Feb 28, 2021, 09:13:41 PM
Seems like this comic is already gonna bomb.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: SM on Feb 28, 2021, 10:57:16 PM
Doubt it.  There's some bad press about the art, but I think many will check out at least the first couple of issues to see if the story is any good.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 28, 2021, 11:04:49 PM
Yeah, issue number ones always sell really well. And the Star Wars comics seem to do great numbers, despite much of the art being like this.

I'm bummed, cause concept wise there's some stuff ij these previews that is really intetesting me. The writer has some neat things to say in interviews, I'm all for seeing where these concepts go - but oof, that art. :-\
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: SuperiorIronman on Feb 28, 2021, 11:09:50 PM
Everything gets 4-6 issues so Marvel can sell a trade and 20,000 copies should still be the cancellation line. The only way this is going to bomb is if by the end of the first volume it does terrible in sales. It can still review poorly but given some of the things Marvel puts out they'll keep it going so long as it sells well.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Nukiemorph on Feb 28, 2021, 11:32:59 PM
The trailer has 20K likes vs. about 500 dislikes, so I doubt the bad art press is making much of a dent in sales.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 28, 2021, 11:39:01 PM
As long as the end result is good, most people don't care how the sausage is made.  It's the same reason Alien Theory is a popular channel.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Feb 28, 2021, 11:50:55 PM
Yeah but a graphic novel's storytelling's in it's images as much as or more than the script itself, and we already know the quality of them, it's such a pity.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: PAS Spinelli on Mar 01, 2021, 12:43:37 AM
After the super mixed response to the prequels, I genuinely don't understand why Disney is going back at it, it's so risky and genuinely not worth it, and not only that, but they are doing it in a extremely half assed way, I hope they compensate Neca for providing them with all of their Xenomorph artwork..
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: SM on Mar 01, 2021, 12:46:27 AM
Using toys as 'models' for comic art has been a thing for some time.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 01, 2021, 12:50:34 AM
Quote from: PAS Spinelli on Mar 01, 2021, 12:43:37 AM
After the super mixed response to the prequels, I genuinely don't understand why Disney is going back at it, it's so risky and genuinely not worth it

This part actually fills me with some optimism, to be honest - it is nice seeing products coming out under the new "20th Century Studios" banner not shying away from the prequel concepts, and I hope to see that integration continue into the future.

Quote from: PAS Spinelli on Mar 01, 2021, 12:43:37 AM
but they are doing it in a extremely half assed way

This, however, I do find worrisome.
Title: Re: Marvel\'s First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: PAS Spinelli on Mar 01, 2021, 01:02:32 AM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 01, 2021, 12:50:34 AM
Quote from: PAS Spinelli on Mar 01, 2021, 12:43:37 AM
After the super mixed response to the prequels, I genuinely don't understand why Disney is going back at it, it's so risky and genuinely not worth it

This part actually fills me with some optimism, to be honest - it is nice seeing products coming out under the new "20th Century Fox" banner not shying away from the prequel concepts, and I hope to see that integration continue into the future.

Quote from: PAS Spinelli on Mar 01, 2021, 12:43:37 AM
but they are doing it in a extremely half assed way

This, however, I do find worrisome.
The problem is not taking risks, it's the way they are taking it, were it up to me I'd find a way to keep the Prequels canon alongside the 2 AvP movies while also saying the Aliens in either aren't the ones from the Alien franchise


Quote from: SM on Mar 01, 2021, 12:46:27 AM
Using toys as 'models' for comic art has been a thing for some time.
Using a toy as a reference is a thing, using it to trace is another. Not only does it almost never looks good, this time it looks lazy and shameless, literally looks like a photo with a comic filter over it.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 01, 2021, 01:11:20 AM
Meant "Studios" in my above post, not "Fox," and have since edited to reflect that.

For me, personally, I'm just not into the AVP concept in general. I find the movies to be bad, but even if they were good I'd still likely see them as something "separate" from the Alien series in my mind.

I do find the prequels to be interesting, though, and am happy to see them integrated directly into the new products alongside the more traditional elements from the original films. That fills me with some optimism for what Alien's on-screen future might hold.

This particular comic doesn't fill me with excitement, due to the art. But the intent behind it has me drumming up a bit of anticipation for what might yet come.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: PAS Spinelli on Mar 01, 2021, 01:16:18 AM
Not a big fan of the AvP movies either, but I know some people that are, and it would also be easier for casual audiences to say they are canon with few retcons than to just try to reboot em, we don't want to end up like Terminator do we
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 01, 2021, 01:18:24 AM
Forgetting the nonsense AVP/R/2010.

For the original Alien, from the first three films and Alien Isolation, and then the ones featured in Alien Covenant.

They do exist separately because of The Cold Forge's establishment of Plagiarus Preapotens (original Alien) and then Alien The RPG's establishment of Plagiarus Linesteres (Alien Covenant) as a separate strain.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: PAS Spinelli on Mar 01, 2021, 01:22:30 AM
Yeah, but we don't know whether Disney/Ridley still plan to make them both David's creation, or if David just copied the Engineers like how the Novel suggested
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 01, 2021, 01:38:56 AM
Currently David's the top of my list in terms of the available introduced choices.

I prefer an A.I creating the Alien over it being a natural phenomena, and I prefer that over humans (The Engineers) creating them, perhaps just saying that it is not native to this universe's enough in itself.

With the Pathogen harvested from the long dead first appearance of them that reached extinction before mankind began to exist. (Or ended up on LV-426 Acheron)
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: PAS Spinelli on Mar 01, 2021, 01:41:50 AM
I prefer none of the known options, I preferred when the Space Jockeys were basically extinct and we didn't know what they were, or whether or not the aliens are theirs or not, we never needed to know where either came from, even in the comics and books the Xenomorph Prime explanations were stupid and uneeded
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 01, 2021, 01:46:17 AM
But what about this though?

Spoiler
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FPLNAZYi.jpg&hash=c1d1476e2c16e69b96d4415a701ddde2d99b2bff)
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Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 01, 2021, 01:47:15 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Mar 01, 2021, 01:46:17 AM
But what about this though?

Spoiler
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FPLNAZYi.jpg&hash=c1d1476e2c16e69b96d4415a701ddde2d99b2bff)
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Predator
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 01, 2021, 01:50:08 AM
I understand that honestly, not liking any of the various potential origins, but I believe I have voiced my appreciation for the David's created "perfect organism" idea before.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 01, 2021, 01:51:37 AM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 01, 2021, 01:47:15 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Mar 01, 2021, 01:46:17 AM
But what about this though?

Spoiler
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FPLNAZYi.jpg&hash=c1d1476e2c16e69b96d4415a701ddde2d99b2bff)
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Predator

Who, that generic lizard man?
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: PAS Spinelli on Mar 01, 2021, 01:54:34 AM
Xenomorphs being natural and having natural predators is a really dumb idea for me, it's one of the ideas that makes the alien less scary, it's meant to be the perfect organism, not prey to something bigger, which is something the comics have done more than once, Aliens Reapers was f**king atrocious.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 01, 2021, 01:56:58 AM
One hundred percent agreed.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 01, 2021, 01:57:52 AM
Quote from: SM on Oct 09, 2012, 01:47:00 AM
SM usually says that "perfect organisms" aren't susceptible to machine guns.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 01, 2021, 02:02:52 AM
SM's not always right, he thought of Alien The RPG as it's own thing separate from the rest of the current canon and continuity, but that's overwhelmingly turning out not to be the case.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 01, 2021, 02:06:26 AM
 :o
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 01, 2021, 02:18:05 AM
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/HpmQVXWLWpiTPfJjuFl1BQJC7RSA4VeuR9v9__m1Ep6IKgwUbpw1v80NZhaDu9Mh8Sf4iOi8cZ4ZyVFvXHUrYZFI1I6usmbtNJp75-_xc_PTgXekAkYS5K7vbxN7KbDMViYW7V82dlK7QtkhfK7_Ep-e_gTHvAjbvnQpFgpFDyNEKSvKK8updq0ABD_e-Yr3Ub54GlP3qcugIjCS1-8LS3i9Mk0s4ReGcaU)

😁
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: [cancerblack] on Mar 01, 2021, 02:27:47 AM
Quote from: Trash Queen on Mar 01, 2021, 01:38:56 AM
it is not native to this universe


Yes please.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 01, 2021, 02:32:02 AM
(https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/544134697535173595/7EA3E24D076E8778AD09A7C40084B66865344970/)

😊
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: kwisatz on Mar 01, 2021, 02:32:53 AM
Is it Thesis-Girl?
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Mar 01, 2021, 02:37:12 AM
I feel a great disturbance in the force  :o

Back on topic.... I thought that with the Free League RPG it was possible to create a Schrodinger's canon; which is flexible and inclusive and makes everyone happy  :-\

(https://s4.gifyu.com/images/giphy-1646e60b30133736cc393c1880774610f.gif)

(https://i.ibb.co/q5YwZNB/Pics-Art-02-06-09-49-02.png)




Quote from: Local Trouble on Mar 01, 2021, 01:51:37 AM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 01, 2021, 01:47:15 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Mar 01, 2021, 01:46:17 AM
But what about this though?

Spoiler
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FPLNAZYi.jpg&hash=c1d1476e2c16e69b96d4415a701ddde2d99b2bff)
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Predator

Who, that generic lizard man?

My childhood was touched  :'(

Spoiler
(https://i.ibb.co/dGtbDCh/009-1.png)

(https://i.ibb.co/rpkXMHc/220px-Bowser-NSMBUD.png)
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Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 01, 2021, 02:42:50 AM
With the founding of Weyland Corporation, Yutani's merger, and Michael Bishop's entire existence being documented it definitely does not allow for AVP/Requiem/2010 whether David's responsible for Plagiarus Preapotens or just Plagiarus Linesteres.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: SiL on Mar 01, 2021, 02:45:24 AM
Quote from: PAS Spinelli on Mar 01, 2021, 01:54:34 AM
Xenomorphs being natural and having natural predators is a really dumb idea for me, it's one of the ideas that makes the alien less scary, it's meant to be the perfect organism, not prey to something bigger, which is something the comics have done more than once, Aliens Reapers was f**king atrocious.
Apex predators are a thing. They're usually attacked by other apex predators, or something smaller and more insidious - viruses, bacteria, parasites.

That the universe is dark and old and over billions of years it churned out something as adaptable and horrible as the Alien is plenty scary.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Mar 01, 2021, 02:48:50 AM
Quote from: Trash Queen on Mar 01, 2021, 02:42:50 AM
With the founding of Weyland Corporation, Yutani's merger, and Michael Bishop's entire existence being documented it definitely does not allow for AVP/Requiem/2010 whether David's responsible for Plagiarus Preapotens or just Plagiarus Linesteres.

Yeah, I think you're more than right.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 01, 2021, 02:50:52 AM
Anything can be changed but it is the current status.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Mar 01, 2021, 02:53:31 AM
Indeed.

Quote from: SiL on Mar 01, 2021, 02:45:24 AM
Quote from: PAS Spinelli on Mar 01, 2021, 01:54:34 AM
Xenomorphs being natural and having natural predators is a really dumb idea for me, it's one of the ideas that makes the alien less scary, it's meant to be the perfect organism, not prey to something bigger, which is something the comics have done more than once, Aliens Reapers was f**king atrocious.
Apex predators are a thing. They're usually attacked by other apex predators, or something smaller and more insidious - viruses, bacteria, parasites.

That the universe is dark and old and over billions of years it churned out something as adaptable and horrible as the Alien is plenty scary.

I agree. When people says is a bad idea is like someone posting this EU Jockey as an argument of why one can have an Alien pilot:

(https://i.ibb.co/42wHZC5/Space-Jockey.jpg)

The idea is f**king creepy. If a comic artist / writer can't handle it, is another thing.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 01, 2021, 02:58:18 AM
I prefer it is Alien to life itself.
No creator, no creation, originating from another place we can never reach.
If it's origin's not that, I have more appreciation for Alien Covenant's depiction, than anything else shown.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: SuperiorIronman on Mar 01, 2021, 03:07:56 AM
Change a few details and others keep intentionally vague.
For example the events in Antarctica change to being vague. The event does occur but you simply don't make mention of Weyland since the Prequels changed that. So Lex and Scar still do the sled ride of friendship but whether the Weyland company was involved is left vague. The modern Xenos still exist but are Predator specific and not what will be the Xeno of the Alien movies. They're all dead by the end of Requiem anyways so beyond Lex's spear and Gunnison if it comes up can be ignored.

Another option is that both events are canonical with them leading to essentially the same thing. They both converge at the Alien movies so on a timeline you'd have both split off but converge at the events of Alien and since Alien and forward is where the future meetups would occur you can leave it at that. Both options are then valid.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 01, 2021, 03:09:26 AM
Or just do not, nothing worth the effort in the AVP films we have, anyway in my opinion. Put the resources into making AVP (The Original Graphic Novel) part of the universe. Along with Monolith's AVP 2001 instead.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 01, 2021, 03:17:49 AM
Including the humanoid rhynthbursters?
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Mar 01, 2021, 03:19:14 AM
Quote from: Trash Queen on Mar 01, 2021, 02:58:18 AM
I prefer it is Alien to life itself.
No creator, no creation, originating from another place we can never reach.
If it's origin's not that, I have more appreciation for Alien Covenant's depiction, than anything else shown.

(https://s4.gifyu.com/images/gif-1d4d778a7efacbadb.gif)
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 01, 2021, 03:22:36 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Mar 01, 2021, 03:17:50 AM
Including the humanoid rhynthbursters?

You will notice I did not mention AVP Classic or Primal Hunt at all.

😝

Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 01, 2021, 03:24:26 AM
But weren't they in the original comic series though?  ???
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 01, 2021, 03:28:34 AM
Oh right that yes fair enough.
I suppose one can take the approach of integrating it like the "Wooden Planet" Habitation Sphere in Alien The RPG for example.
Or give us an updated re-release.

🤭

Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 01, 2021, 03:29:45 AM
I preferred my backstory for Arceon.  :-\
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: EJA on Mar 01, 2021, 10:31:06 AM
Quote from: Trash Queen on Mar 01, 2021, 01:18:24 AM
Forgetting the nonsense AVP/R/2010.

For the original Alien, from the first three films and Alien Isolation, and then the ones featured in Alien Covenant.

They do exist separately because of The Cold Forge's establishment of Plagiarus Preapotens (original Alien) and then Alien The RPG's establishment of Plagiarus Linesteres (Alien Covenant) as a separate strain.

But that isn't what's in Covenant.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Drukathi on Mar 01, 2021, 11:18:45 AM
Quote from: Trash Queen on Mar 01, 2021, 01:18:24 AM
They do exist separately because of The Cold Forge's establishment of Plagiarus Preapotens (original Alien) and then Alien The RPG's establishment of Plagiarus Linesteres (Alien Covenant) as a separate strain.

In order not to upset in the future, it is better to keep in mind that future directors and writers will not rely on the board game and other books. Especially the directors.

Better to accept Plagiarus Preapotens and things from RPG like a part of extended universe that placed separately from films prime canon, the core universe.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 01, 2021, 12:10:44 PM
For the foreseeable future it's just as important to me, whether it is always in the eyes of 20th Century Studios or Disney's not my concern, things change I am okay with that reality.

1. Alex White's masterpieces will always be just that, canon or non-canon to the continuity, although I do like the take on the universe being built by Alien Isolation, Cold Forge, Into Charybdis, The RPG, and Phalanx.

2. If Plagiarus Linesteres becomes Plagiarus Preapotens down the line because David's in fact the creator of the original Alien it is fine with me.

3. It's just as Alien to me, if an artificial intelligence created it, perhaps even more so.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: HumanPredator on Mar 01, 2021, 01:04:17 PM
This storyline seems to be what the alien series needs. Small, personal, dramatic...instead of these wide scale space traversing crap.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 01, 2021, 02:04:35 PM
What of this new Marvel one indicates personal to you? If anything so far this' the one graphic novel with the farthest reaching implications. Since the contentious Fire and Stone and Life and Death.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Ultramorph on Mar 01, 2021, 06:32:27 PM
The solicits make it seem like the first arc is character focused on the main Marine and his son. From what I've read, I suspect if any of the Prometheus stuff shows up, it will be in flashbacks that get dealt with more later on.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: [cancerblack] on Mar 01, 2021, 08:37:27 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Mar 01, 2021, 03:17:49 AM
Including the humanoid rhynthbursters?

Yes.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: EJA on Mar 01, 2021, 09:12:16 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Mar 01, 2021, 03:17:49 AM
Including the humanoid rhynthbursters?

I have to admit, I do cringe at those.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: judge death on Mar 01, 2021, 10:03:43 PM
Quote from: Trash Queen on Mar 01, 2021, 01:18:24 AM
Forgetting the nonsense AVP/R/2010.

For the original Alien, from the first three films and Alien Isolation, and then the ones featured in Alien Covenant.

They do exist separately because of The Cold Forge's establishment of Plagiarus Preapotens (original Alien) and then Alien The RPG's establishment of Plagiarus Linesteres (Alien Covenant) as a separate strain.
Sorry but have to say I love you after this statement and the stuff you´ve said in this thread :D One of the few who think like me and know the groundrules set up from the rpg and past alien lore, with same worries as myself for what marvel is up to and from the sound it will change the lore drasticly for the worse if one follow what has been established in the past like myself.

I think it's far more likely that it'll be something to do with the black goo is responsible for this Xeno-lady than the actual Aliens themselves.
The problem with that is that the black goo dont work int hat manner and creates fully working creatures, as we saw in covenant and fire and stone etc: it mutates the creature exposed to it horrible and barely a working creature after it nor are their bodies anywhere near intact or working as it should. Saw was killed by it and mutated horrible and not looking anything like this nor did the xeno and the humans exposed to black go look anything like this either. And we know from past stories and games etc it cant be royal jelly either since it dont do this either. PAst comics and books says no to black go making perfect human/xenomorph hybrids that has eyes and fully perfect and working bodies, she would been a disaster, an abomination walking.

But I can see weyland yutani doing experiments and try the stuff david did but then we need to see more evolution of mutations and creatures to reach to that status, but then she wouldnt have eyes as the black goo and xeno dna removes it.
Have to see but it better be a EXCELLENT explanation, which I doubt and its more like the user: Drukathi said:
In order not to upset in the future, it is better to keep in mind that future directors and writers will not rely on the board game and other books. Especially the directors.

Better to accept Plagiarus Preapotens and things from RPG like a part of extended universe that placed separately from films prime canon, the core universe.

But to me its breaking what has been set up as ground rules for how xenomorphs work.

Been thinking about this and I have a theory of what we might be up against for the worse and good for those who dont follow the past lore as strict:
The story will take place on either a space station or a planet where weyland yutani is doing experiments on the perfect organism and weaponise it(althought he movies and novels say they never got their hands on them, especielly resurrection)
And they have been breeding them for several generations when they escape and we will probably follow that scientists story and escape from the base.
The normal xenomorphs will be the cannon fodder as the true villain will be more advanced xenos, namely the human/xeno female hybrid(why else would they show it in the trailer?) She will be the one controlling the xenomorphs and is the result of many generations of xenomorphs breed with humans, after a while the xenos dna has been exhanged to more human and hence the human look and breasts and eyes etc. (they said in interview that they would show what happens when you breed xenos with same hosts for a long time and this would explain this new creature).
And it will become a fight between her and her army of xenomorphs, normal and mutated ones and the weyland yutani scientist trying to escape.
(but this ruins the meaning of xenomorphs being the perfect creature and now we will have something more human which the story writer wants to be seen as even better, it would solve one issue with the xenomorph and fit marvels story writing with adding new charachters and villains: having a human/xeno hybrid would allow the xenomorphs to talk and have a development as a charachter, you cant that with the normal xeno. But this breaks the ground rules for the xenos so damn much I cant even begin. First: the normal xenomorph is perfect and the ultimate creature, not this thing, now we just nerf the xeno to insects and having these new hybrids as superiour, they arent even xenomorphs... Also, if xenomorphs change by doing their breeding, we will not have the original xeno after a while as they mutate into something very different, and we know from the lore: queens dont take on hosts dna and dont ever change so this idea of: you can evolve the xenomorphs by letting them breed for generations with the same hosts is breaking the established lore, ton of games, comics and even predator movies showing they dont work like that.)
Seems its hard to follow simple ground rules set up after 30 years and instead we see marvel ignore much of it in the art and doing new things the xenomorphs never done before, degrading what is: the perfect organism, its not enough we must add hybrids and humanoid xenos into this. xD

Someone remind me after the whole story is out to reply to this twitter reply from the writer, if the marvel story indeed do make the idea I presented above or even more ground rule breaking stuff for their story, because that is jumping the shark in my book and ignoring all past lore:
https://twitter.com/PhillipKJohnson/status/1365730368649887745

Although its my theory baseds on whats been said and shown and what if its not due to black goe or royal jelly etc, hopefully im very wrong :) But have to see.

Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: [cancerblack] on Mar 01, 2021, 11:38:15 PM
Totally fine with black goo making Giger humanoids, if it's as one aspect of a lengthy and horrific biomechanical/industrialised surgical procedure that the goo just helps along. Essentially the "glue" for all the extra parts.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: SM on Mar 01, 2021, 11:53:33 PM
I don't imagine there was no goo at all involved in doing this to Shaw.

(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-U5DaA0IPyEE/WlNkuX84KwI/AAAAAAAAmpI/sqso24AL_1w7mdgpmxvQDWMxUiAfHKR_wCKgBGAs/s400/shaw%2Bcorpse%2Bhead%2B2)
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: [cancerblack] on Mar 01, 2021, 11:55:32 PM
Pretty much my line of thought, and I'm happy to see that prop every time.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: judge death on Mar 02, 2021, 12:00:03 AM
Quote from: SM on Mar 01, 2021, 11:53:33 PM
I don't imagine there was no goo at all involved in doing this to Shaw.

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-U5DaA0IPyEE/WlNkuX84KwI/AAAAAAAAmpI/sqso24AL_1w7mdgpmxvQDWMxUiAfHKR_wCKgBGAs/s400/shaw%2Bcorpse%2Bhead%2B2
Black go involved yes but she is dead and that is pretty disurbing malformations in my eyes, nech oversized, head malformed and flesh sticking out etc, cant see her walking around like that in that state.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: SuperiorIronman on Mar 02, 2021, 12:09:28 AM
Is the goo even that consistent enough to not make a bug person?
Lets ignore spin off material and material made by Darkhorse like Fire and Stone because we have to assume we're operating in a different continuity and that the creative team is only going to know the films. I understand some RPG books have material related to the goo but we also have to assume the creative team isn't going to know that. They likely are going to need approval from the I.P holder but it's likely they're going to base this off the films.

In Prometheus we see Fiefeld become some sort of mutant and the worms become the bigger worm. Otherwise an accelerated pregnancy that results in an evil starfish which eventually spawns the Deacon. An Engineer also disintegrates and that guy mutates a little but otherwise his sperm is changed and I guess starts to melt later.

In Covenant the goo outright kills the Engineers and maybe makes the pods which spawns the not Alien which eventually after messing around with Shaw results in the totally not Alien but still kind of Alien.

The goo makes monsters is what it does on film. If it makes bug women, fine I guess.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: kwisatz on Mar 02, 2021, 12:11:26 AM
Quote from: SM on Mar 01, 2021, 11:53:33 PM
I don't imagine there was no goo at all involved in doing this to Shaw.

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-U5DaA0IPyEE/WlNkuX84KwI/AAAAAAAAmpI/sqso24AL_1w7mdgpmxvQDWMxUiAfHKR_wCKgBGAs/s400/shaw%2Bcorpse%2Bhead%2B2

I bet there were all kinds of goo involved in doing this to Shaw
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: judge death on Mar 02, 2021, 12:14:13 AM
According to the movies: no, but I disagree on not looking at all alien material, someone gave the green light to it and had to put it into cannon in the past and I fail to see how the ones owning the franchise not keeping an eye on keeping a clear line on what can exist and cant exist but handwave away stuff and say: that didnt exist in this new timeline or this version we want to do, becomes a big mess in my eyes xD

but well if one use the handwaving it away what we know and do what the story writer wants: there is no stop and they can easily use the black goo or royal jelly to make new xenomorph creatures or hybrid humans or acid shoting weapons etc, its all down to the writer/director to pick and chose and we fans try to make sense of it :P Until the next story writer/director comes in and says: screw that, now I want to do this and that old story we made: its gone its a spinn off now xD
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Mar 02, 2021, 12:21:17 AM
Quote from: kwisatz on Mar 02, 2021, 12:11:26 AM
Quote from: SM on Mar 01, 2021, 11:53:33 PM
I don't imagine there was no goo at all involved in doing this to Shaw.

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-U5DaA0IPyEE/WlNkuX84KwI/AAAAAAAAmpI/sqso24AL_1w7mdgpmxvQDWMxUiAfHKR_wCKgBGAs/s400/shaw%2Bcorpse%2Bhead%2B2

I bet there were all kinds of goo involved in doing this to Shaw

Plagiarus Linesteres.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 02, 2021, 12:22:15 AM
Quote from: SuperiorIronman on Mar 02, 2021, 12:09:28 AM
I guess.

It is consistent enough. Even just going by the films. David explains the rules.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: SM on Mar 02, 2021, 01:17:44 AM
Quote from: judge death on Mar 02, 2021, 12:00:03 AM
Quote from: SM on Mar 01, 2021, 11:53:33 PM
I don't imagine there was no goo at all involved in doing this to Shaw.

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-U5DaA0IPyEE/WlNkuX84KwI/AAAAAAAAmpI/sqso24AL_1w7mdgpmxvQDWMxUiAfHKR_wCKgBGAs/s400/shaw%2Bcorpse%2Bhead%2B2
Black go involved yes but she is dead and that is pretty disurbing malformations in my eyes, nech oversized, head malformed and flesh sticking out etc, cant see her walking around like that in that state.

Fifield got around okay with disturbing malformations.  I mean, he was really cross - but otherwise.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 02, 2021, 01:25:28 AM
Although the parts themselves may indeed be the result of the Pathogen, the attachment (look at for example the bones inserted into the cheeks under the skin that clearly don't belong to the subject originally) of that crown if you like, clearly mirrors a serial killer's post mortem mutilation of their victim.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Mar 02, 2021, 01:27:52 AM
The strange thing is that the crown is biomechanical in aesthetics. Isn't there supposed to be no such thing until Giger's Alien / Derelict eggs?
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 02, 2021, 01:28:34 AM
QuoteThe Pathogen's internally consistent with obvious rules, within the films themselves, mainly Alien Covenant though I believe.

It does not result in the biomechanical for a start in fact the opposite. But with other things present recognisable in the titular Alien. Simplest organisms logically appear to change the fastest like Demodex folliculorum or Demodex brevis most often visible in the eye or worms becoming Hammerpedes.

As stated it's designed to clean a planet of all non-botanical life. To achieve this it ultimately either kills you outright or creates a hybrid form, the former we see with the Engineers on Planet 4 and with the Engineers on LV-223, the other we see with what happened to Doctor Charlie Holloway and Sean Fifield and the exploding head. (Becoming unstable hybrid forms themselves with high aggression, bulbous, bloated, with further distending arms and legs, pale skin and a overall virulent infected appearance- hence Prometheus the film mentioning Ebola in the story multiple times for a real life comparison) And afterwards it spawns Neomorphs from Motes and Pods. (hybrid forms) I do not think it's as complex as appearances suggest.

"The Deacon" (In essence a Neomorph itself in all but origin) only exists because by David's own admission the Pathogen reacts to human sexual organs in an alternate way, hence he uses Doctor Elizabeth Shaw's to fashion the Alien, and bring an equally worthy artificial intelligence in his eyes into existence.

Because in terms of function it's all in essence identical:

A Pathogen infected sperm and ovum/Pod/Egg
Trilobite/Mote/Facehugger
Deacon/Neomorph/Alien

Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Xenomorphine on Mar 02, 2021, 08:50:24 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 28, 2021, 06:52:52 PM
Aside from the shape of the horns, I really don't see much else there.

It's more than just the shape.

This character has three sets of horns. So does Mroathi. The primary ones in bronze, then the two in bone/silver colour which wrap around them, tendril-style. This character's headgear shows the same thing and in the same girth proportions.

It's not even just that. The sides of Mroathi's helmet also close around the sides of her face, curving around/beneath the eyes, in a very similar way as we see on this character, too.

It's the combination of all three of those elements which make me strongly suspect Morathi's headgear was a major inspiration.

QuoteI think it's more clearly a take on Sil or Li than it is the Morathi. The Borg Queen was always inspired by Giger too.

Sil doesn't have any horns. Lii has a couple, but they're thin and relatively tiny in comparison to this character's. Morathi has the same number and in very similar proportions. Plus, as I say, the way the helmet curves around.

Quote from: PAS Spinelli on Mar 01, 2021, 01:54:34 AM
Xenomorphs being natural and having natural predators is a really dumb idea for me, it's one of the ideas that makes the alien less scary, it's meant to be the perfect organism, not prey to something bigger, which is something the comics have done more than once, Aliens Reapers was f**king atrocious.

I'm with SM on this. Making them artificial weapons doesn't make much sense, because they have no real purpose as weapons against a civilisation with World War 2 era ranged weapons. Possibly even World War 1.

While, if you wanted to use them exclusively to take on unarmed colonies, there are simply much quickly and more easily controllable ways of doing it, even if your objective is to preserve the infrastructure. Microwave weapons, toxic gas - lots of stuff.

Naturally evolved, however, opens things up more interestingly. Because then you have to face the question: What kind of an ecosystem would be extreme and violent enough to cause something like them to arise?

I imagine it would be every bit as exotic and horrifying as a world swarmed by 'Warhammer' Tyranids would best exemplify. It means something as awe-inspiring and nightmarish as the Alien is just one fraction from whatever kind of a place that would be.

The Alien being created as a weapon would just make them obsolete.

I do agree, however, that if the Alien is ever depicted going up against other predators, then they need to be equally as horrifying and vicious. The ones in that particular comic were very underwhelming in design.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Mar 02, 2021, 09:21:55 PM
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Mar 02, 2021, 08:50:24 PM
I'm with SM on this. Making them artificial weapons doesn't make much sense, because they have no real purpose as weapons against a civilisation with World War 2 era ranged weapons. Possibly even World War 1.

Looking at it that way, I'd say that not even the Space Jockeys would want the Alien as a weapon, unless they need to crush America during the Civil War, a Feudal Kingdom or Ancient Civilization. Although it would be for mere sadism coming from a race capable of traveling through space. :laugh:

Quote from: Xenomorphine on Mar 02, 2021, 08:50:24 PM
Naturally evolved, however, opens things up more interestingly. Because then you have to face the question: What kind of an ecosystem would be extreme and violent enough to cause something like them to arise?

I imagine it would be every bit as exotic and horrifying as a world swarmed by 'Warhammer' Tyranids would best exemplify. It means something as awe-inspiring and nightmarish as the Alien is just one fraction from whatever kind of a place that would be.

It's got a wonderful defense mechanism. You don't dare kill it ~ Parker in Alien

Except there must be indeed something that would dare to kill them in their home world, and it's fascinating and terrifying to think about it:

What kind of environment could be the cause of mutating the gene in the Alien to turn it into a killing machine with acidic blood?

Just because the comics failed in doing justice doesn't mean the idea is bad. It's a good concept badly executed.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 02, 2021, 09:28:48 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Oct 09, 2016, 06:29:40 PM
Quote from: SiL on Oct 09, 2016, 11:21:34 AMWe've never seen Aliens in a native habitat, only in locations they've been introduced to.

Indeed.  And because HuDaFuk and I love it when I quote myself...

Quote from: Local Trouble on Jan 05, 2015, 08:29:26 PMI'm torn.  I like to imagine the ecosystem of the aliens' homeworld as being one in which they live in symbiosis with another native species.  Perhaps some docile herbivore that has an orifice in its torso from which the aliens can emerge without killing it.

And it's only when they're removed from their native habitat that the aliens become dangerous and have no choice but to breed within hosts that are killed in the process.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: judge death on Mar 02, 2021, 09:59:03 PM
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Mar 02, 2021, 09:21:55 PM
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Mar 02, 2021, 08:50:24 PM
I'm with SM on this. Making them artificial weapons doesn't make much sense, because they have no real purpose as weapons against a civilisation with World War 2 era ranged weapons. Possibly even World War 1.

Looking at it that way, I'd say that not even the Space Jockeys would want the Alien as a weapon, unless they need to crush America during the Civil War, a Feudal Kingdom or Ancient Civilization. Although it would be for mere sadism coming from a race capable of traveling through space. :laugh:

Quote from: Xenomorphine on Mar 02, 2021, 08:50:24 PM
Naturally evolved, however, opens things up more interestingly. Because then you have to face the question: What kind of an ecosystem would be extreme and violent enough to cause something like them to arise?

I imagine it would be every bit as exotic and horrifying as a world swarmed by 'Warhammer' Tyranids would best exemplify. It means something as awe-inspiring and nightmarish as the Alien is just one fraction from whatever kind of a place that would be.

It's got a wonderful defense mechanism. You don't dare kill it ~ Parker in Alien

Except there must be indeed something that would dare to kill them in their home world, and it's fascinating and terrifying to think about it:

What kind of environment could be the cause of mutating the gene in the Alien to turn it into a killing machine with acidic blood?

Just because the comics failed in doing justice doesn't mean the idea is bad. It's a good concept badly executed.

I actually like dark horse take on it, and this is pretty much confirmed in predator lore and games where we see ina vp 2010: that there is a xenomorph homeworld, and the predators say in the comics and lore they have been to it and from it spread them to their worlds and hunting planets, so its well established in my mind.

Dark horse showed a world where they evolved naturally and all other creatures were acid blooded too and could eat the xenomorphs, although the xenos was the highest ranked predator, they could be rivaled by the ecosystem and be keept in check. Then the space jockeys showed up and captured them and made them to their biological weapons and one of many weapons they unleash on their enemies, but as we saw in local troubles picture: other species came and took xenos from those planets the space jockeys and predators spread them to.

I actually like that they came from a homeplanet and then been spread to other systems but far away from our galaxy.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 02, 2021, 10:14:07 PM
I can imagine any number of natural enemies for the aliens.

Maybe there's a particularly nasty species of insect that's just too small for the facehuggers to impregnate, and they swarm the Aliens with sheer numbers. Maybe there's a particularly nasty species of mammalian that's just too big for the facehuggers to impregnate and they think of the Aliens as little more than crunchy, spicy snacks.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: [cancerblack] on Mar 02, 2021, 11:07:37 PM
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Mar 02, 2021, 08:50:24 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 28, 2021, 06:52:52 PM
Aside from the shape of the horns, I really don't see much else there.

It's more than just the shape.

This character has three sets of horns. So does Mroathi. The primary ones in bronze, then the two in bone/silver colour which wrap around them, tendril-style. This character's headgear shows the same thing and in the same girth proportions.

It's not even just that. The sides of Mroathi's helmet also close around the sides of her face, curving around/beneath the eyes, in a very similar way as we see on this character, too.

It's the combination of all three of those elements which make me strongly suspect Morathi's headgear was a major inspiration.

QuoteI think it's more clearly a take on Sil or Li than it is the Morathi. The Borg Queen was always inspired by Giger too.

Sil doesn't have any horns. Lii has a couple, but they're thin and relatively tiny in comparison to this character's. Morathi has the same number and in very similar proportions. Plus, as I say, the way the helmet curves around.

Quote from: PAS Spinelli on Mar 01, 2021, 01:54:34 AM
Xenomorphs being natural and having natural predators is a really dumb idea for me, it's one of the ideas that makes the alien less scary, it's meant to be the perfect organism, not prey to something bigger, which is something the comics have done more than once, Aliens Reapers was f**king atrocious.

I'm with SM on this. Making them artificial weapons doesn't make much sense, because they have no real purpose as weapons against a civilisation with World War 2 era ranged weapons. Possibly even World War 1.

While, if you wanted to use them exclusively to take on unarmed colonies, there are simply much quickly and more easily controllable ways of doing it, even if your objective is to preserve the infrastructure. Microwave weapons, toxic gas - lots of stuff.

Naturally evolved, however, opens things up more interestingly. Because then you have to face the question: What kind of an ecosystem would be extreme and violent enough to cause something like them to arise?

I imagine it would be every bit as exotic and horrifying as a world swarmed by 'Warhammer' Tyranids would best exemplify. It means something as awe-inspiring and nightmarish as the Alien is just one fraction from whatever kind of a place that would be.

The Alien being created as a weapon would just make them obsolete.

I do agree, however, that if the Alien is ever depicted going up against other predators, then they need to be equally as horrifying and vicious. The ones in that particular comic were very underwhelming in design.


Re: Morathi still being discussed, I gotta post the hilarious older figure:

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F4.bp.blogspot.com%2F-ORxcuVTiU3k%2FWnMW81N7k9I%2FAAAAAAAAH_8%2FBJkMXfUxeKgMe458WB_3zQlNab9_f4S1gCK4BGAYYCw%2Fs1600%2FMorathi_Dark_Pegasus_Dark_Elves_6th_Edition_miniature.jpg&hash=d7c36e51f971953da7af2553fb4b7c0cc5006a55)



And the quite cool new "ascended shape-shifting demi-god" version:

(https://www.games-workshop.com/resources/catalog/product/920x950/99120212015_DaughtersOfKhaineMorathi01.jpg)





Re: Them being weapons, being redundant:

Depends if your intention is military or just to literally rape humanity.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 02, 2021, 11:09:58 PM
Did you paint those?
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: [cancerblack] on Mar 02, 2021, 11:14:02 PM
No, those are promotional photos from GW.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Mar 02, 2021, 11:31:27 PM
I like the concept of alien symbiosis, kind of like in Avatar but scary instead of cute.

(https://i.ibb.co/61z2SWr/9113530-orig.gif)

I thing the Scorn video game has that bio-horror atmosphere.

(https://i.ibb.co/V3MX8r9/IMG-20210302-191222-710.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/Vgkpq4x/IMG-20210302-191523-087.jpg)

Quote from: judge death on Mar 02, 2021, 09:59:03 PM
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Mar 02, 2021, 09:21:55 PM
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Mar 02, 2021, 08:50:24 PM
I'm with SM on this. Making them artificial weapons doesn't make much sense, because they have no real purpose as weapons against a civilisation with World War 2 era ranged weapons. Possibly even World War 1.

Looking at it that way, I'd say that not even the Space Jockeys would want the Alien as a weapon, unless they need to crush America during the Civil War, a Feudal Kingdom or Ancient Civilization. Although it would be for mere sadism coming from a race capable of traveling through space. :laugh:

Quote from: Xenomorphine on Mar 02, 2021, 08:50:24 PM
Naturally evolved, however, opens things up more interestingly. Because then you have to face the question: What kind of an ecosystem would be extreme and violent enough to cause something like them to arise?

I imagine it would be every bit as exotic and horrifying as a world swarmed by 'Warhammer' Tyranids would best exemplify. It means something as awe-inspiring and nightmarish as the Alien is just one fraction from whatever kind of a place that would be.

It's got a wonderful defense mechanism. You don't dare kill it ~ Parker in Alien

Except there must be indeed something that would dare to kill them in their home world, and it's fascinating and terrifying to think about it:

What kind of environment could be the cause of mutating the gene in the Alien to turn it into a killing machine with acidic blood?

Just because the comics failed in doing justice doesn't mean the idea is bad. It's a good concept badly executed.

I actually like dark horse take on it, and this is pretty much confirmed in predator lore and games where we see ina vp 2010: that there is a xenomorph homeworld, and the predators say in the comics and lore they have been to it and from it spread them to their worlds and hunting planets, so its well established in my mind.

Dark horse showed a world where they evolved naturally and all other creatures were acid blooded too and could eat the xenomorphs, although the xenos was the highest ranked predator, they could be rivaled by the ecosystem and be keept in check. Then the space jockeys showed up and captured them and made them to their biological weapons and one of many weapons they unleash on their enemies, but as we saw in local troubles picture: other species came and took xenos from those planets the space jockeys and predators spread them to.

I actually like that they came from a homeplanet and then been spread to other systems but far away from our galaxy.

True that, but I think there's a lack of Giger aesthetics. I mean, it need to be strange in shapes and world mechanics.

(https://i.ibb.co/JBb0tNb/Dx-BMm-Kx-Xc-AEGY1-N.jpg)

Actually before the hype year (2012), I thought that the Space Jockeys, biomechanical in appearance, were from the same world as the Aliens. They were the advanced species as we humans are here on Earth.

(https://i.ibb.co/W5fj5bb/Pics-Art-03-02-09-16-18.png)

And if you look at both the sculpture in the film and the concept art, there really seems to be a symbiosis between the ship and the pilot. As if their technology was based on symbiosis and parasitism.

However, I must admit the Space Jockeys making biological weapons of all kinds (with the Alien being just one of many) is not that different from the Alien as the tip of the iceberg of his homeworld.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 03, 2021, 12:53:30 AM
Worth posting considering the discussion here;

https://youtu.be/SUelbSa-OkA
https://youtu.be/ThDYazipjSI
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: EJA on Mar 03, 2021, 10:36:40 AM
But if the Aliens evolved naturally, then why does the Space Jockey tech resemble them so much?

And regarding the horned woman, could she be something similar to the hybrid the Queen gave birth to in A:R?
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: HuDaFuK on Mar 03, 2021, 12:05:08 PM
I always liked the idea that the Alien was bio-engineered.

I just hated that Scott a) felt the need to explain it, and b) made that explanation so incredibly dull.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: SM on Mar 03, 2021, 12:39:29 PM
What would have been less dull?
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: HuDaFuK on Mar 03, 2021, 12:43:36 PM
Well, not explaining it for a start. Its origins being mysterious was way more interesting.

But having it created by a mad human robot scientist was not only disappointing, it made it... not particularly alien.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Mar 03, 2021, 02:03:07 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Mar 03, 2021, 12:43:36 PM
Well, not explaining it for a start. Its origins being mysterious was way more interesting.

But having it created by a mad human robot scientist was not only disappointing, it made it... not particularly alien.

I personally agree. And not demystifying your alien monster feels like the first lesson in Writing 101, with the Alien or the Space Jockey. I still find it odd that Ridley chose this direction, and why didn't he pursue directing a Blade Runner sequel as well, considering where his then current interests seemed to align.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Mar 03, 2021, 02:36:34 PM
Quote from: EJA on Mar 03, 2021, 10:36:40 AM
But if the Aliens evolved naturally, then why does the Space Jockey tech resemble them so much?

Because the entire planet is a natural biomechanical landscape  :-X

(https://s4.gifyu.com/images/d0240b59-362c-4a31-a8a2-b64e53678e7b.gif)

Totally alien biochemistry between non-carbon life forms, ultimating forming a complex neural network. Parasitism and symbiosis as ways of adaptations in a fascinating but terrifying world.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Mar 03, 2021, 03:07:14 PM
Which planet are you talking about Jonesy?
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 03, 2021, 03:10:06 PM
A hypothetical Alien world, inspired by the artwork of likely, H.R Giger and Zdzisław Beksiński primarily. 
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Mar 03, 2021, 03:26:57 PM
Ah...!
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Mar 03, 2021, 03:46:22 PM
Oh Com'on! everyone has their nerdy fetish fantasies, like people who wish Alien and Blade Runer / Outland were from the same universe  :laugh:

I don't care about these fantasies but my hipotetical Gigerland is part of my hearth ~
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 03, 2021, 03:53:04 PM
This "Hypothetical Gigerland" is the main reason I wish the art in this comic was stronger - I really dig the ideas and concepts that the comic seems to be presenting, and the writer seems really cool from the interviews I've heard of him; I want to give this a shot and like it, but man, the actual quality of the art itself leaves so much to be desired...
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Mar 03, 2021, 04:13:06 PM
@Immortan Jonesy

I wasn't criticizing. I'm just not as well versed in the expanded universe as some, so I honestly was making sure I wasn't missing something.  :)
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Mar 03, 2021, 05:29:54 PM
Neither me, that was pure wild speculation. But thank you ^^

Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 03, 2021, 03:53:04 PM
This "Hypothetical Gigerland" is the main reason I wish the art in this comic was stronger - I really dig the ideas and concepts that the comic seems to be presenting, and the writer seems really cool from the interviews I've heard of him; I want to give this a shot and like it, but man, the actual quality of the art itself leaves so much to be desired...

Yes, I give them the benefit of the doubt because there seem to be interesting ideas.  ;D

But it's very difficult to do this with their disgusting and unethical habits. >:(
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Darth Rinzler on Mar 03, 2021, 07:43:37 PM
So Species is in Aliens now?   
Title: Re: Marvel\'s First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: [cancerblack] on Mar 03, 2021, 07:46:54 PM
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Mar 03, 2021, 03:46:22 PM
Oh Com'on! everyone has their nerdy fetish fantasies, like people who wish Alien and Blade Runer / Outland were from the same universe  :laugh:

I don't care about these fantasies but my hipotetical Gigerland is part of my hearth ~

I go a step further, there's no planet, just a near infinite, lightless non-location. Walk down the wrong dark tunnel or even fly through the wrong bit of space, and you may find yourself there. Of course, there are other, more intentional ways to reach this place, but they are... extremely painful.


Quote from: Darth Rinzler on Mar 03, 2021, 07:43:37 PM
So Species is in Aliens now?   

God, I hope so.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: SM on Mar 03, 2021, 07:48:27 PM
sPeCiEs
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: [cancerblack] on Mar 03, 2021, 08:08:24 PM
Black goo makes sexually violent Giger monster. Works for me.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 03, 2021, 08:10:25 PM
One place we don't agree love.

Under The Skin's just Species but superior anyway. 

😝

Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: EJA on Mar 03, 2021, 08:32:28 PM
Quote from: Darth Rinzler on Mar 03, 2021, 07:43:37 PM
So Species is in Aliens now?

Is this much more of a leap than the hybrid in Alien: Resurrection?
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 03, 2021, 08:36:05 PM
In Alien Resurrection everything's an abomination so yes.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Darth Rinzler on Mar 03, 2021, 08:39:50 PM
Quote from: EJA on Mar 03, 2021, 08:32:28 PM
Quote from: Darth Rinzler on Mar 03, 2021, 07:43:37 PM
So Species is in Aliens now?

Is this much more of a leap than the hybrid in Alien: Resurrection?

The creature doesnt have to look almost exactly like the alien from Species.   Marvel just rips off everything anyway.  I saw that they flat out traced tanks and guns from 40k and put them in a Spider Man comic.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: [cancerblack] on Mar 03, 2021, 08:42:15 PM
Quote from: Darth Rinzler on Mar 03, 2021, 08:39:50 PM
Quote from: EJA on Mar 03, 2021, 08:32:28 PM
Quote from: Darth Rinzler on Mar 03, 2021, 07:43:37 PM
So Species is in Aliens now?

Is this much more of a leap than the hybrid in Alien: Resurrection?

The creature doesnt have to look almost exactly like the alien from Species.   Marvel just rips off everything anyway.  I saw that they flat out traced tanks and guns from 40k and put them in a Spider Man comic.

I posted that nearer the start of the thread. I think it was Venom, and they didn't even trace, just used assets from a Dawn of War game. Then forgot to scale up the doors and hover-drones...

Although there's a very confused Bolt Pistol in Spiderman, too.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Mar 03, 2021, 08:51:08 PM
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Mar 03, 2021, 08:08:24 PM
Black goo makes sexually violent Giger monster. Works for me.

(https://media.tenor.com/images/cd69de50bb7693784eb7b4aa6a84c251/tenor.gif)

This one took me down some roads to find...  :-X
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: [cancerblack] on Mar 03, 2021, 08:56:27 PM
Dare I ask?
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 03, 2021, 08:58:14 PM
Reeeeeeee

It does not make biomechanics though!

😡
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Mar 03, 2021, 09:02:20 PM
(https://media.tenor.com/images/fbbf59e469dbd36372947dcd6f52cc16/tenor.gif)

(https://64.media.tumblr.com/4c338dd2fe44f42bd31eda237e4d086a/tumblr_n5jcsvLXMt1qedb29o1_400.gif)

(https://thumbs.gfycat.com/TalkativePhonyHamster-small.gif)

I'm not against this actually, transforming the Alien franchise into some sort Gigerland, but if they do take it to the hilt across every medium, I don't think you can ever come back from it.

Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 03, 2021, 09:04:24 PM
So please do not.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: [cancerblack] on Mar 03, 2021, 09:05:59 PM
Quote from: Trash Queen on Mar 03, 2021, 08:58:14 PM
Reeeeeeee

It does not make biomechanics though!

😡

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Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Kailem on Mar 03, 2021, 09:06:32 PM
"Welcome to Gigerland, where your nightmares do come tru-AH MY FACE!!"
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 03, 2021, 09:08:38 PM
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Mar 03, 2021, 09:05:59 PM
Quote from: Trash Queen on Mar 03, 2021, 08:58:14 PM
Reeeeeeee

It does not make biomechanics though!

😡

Spoiler
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My interest in Alien evaporates when the rules do tbh
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Mar 03, 2021, 09:11:13 PM
Quote from: Kailem on Mar 03, 2021, 09:06:32 PM
"Welcome to Gigerland, where your nightmares do come tru-AH MY FACE!!"

Just follow the cute bunny.

(https://media.tenor.com/images/59031189cdf4eb83665ca33b35cc33d9/tenor.gif)
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Mar 03, 2021, 09:12:48 PM
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Mar 03, 2021, 08:56:27 PM
Dare I ask?

In my tired state, I googled "f**king a alien" so...you know.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Mar 03, 2021, 09:14:21 PM
And this time he didn't do it on purpose!  ;)  ;D
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 03, 2021, 09:14:25 PM
Aaron Molten Gold hours
Title: Re: Marvel\'s First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: [cancerblack] on Mar 03, 2021, 09:16:19 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 03, 2021, 09:12:48 PM
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Mar 03, 2021, 08:56:27 PM
Dare I ask?

In my tired state, I googled "f**king a alien" so...you know.


Oh lawdy.

QuoteMy interest in Alien evaporates when the rules do tbh


You could at least pretend to take the bait, babe.  :-*


This quote formatting stuff is going to kill me one day.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 03, 2021, 09:19:22 PM
Okay f**k f**k f**k this dumb shit being in my Alium then.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: [cancerblack] on Mar 03, 2021, 09:19:48 PM
<3
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 03, 2021, 09:28:10 PM
More specifically speaking just lifting biomechanics and plastering it onto humans sucks big time.
Title: Re: Marvel\\\'s First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Mar 03, 2021, 09:54:09 PM
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Mar 03, 2021, 09:16:19 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 03, 2021, 09:12:48 PM
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Mar 03, 2021, 08:56:27 PM
Dare I ask?

In my tired state, I googled "f**king a alien" so...you know.


Oh lawdy.



QuoteMy interest in Alien evaporates when the rules do tbh


You could at least pretend to take the bait, babe.  :-*


This quote form quoting stuff is going to kill me one day.

The problem is you're responding in open quote tags so it's making one big quote. Let me fix it.


Lol I'll shut my mouth. It did something similar with me on my phone. Doesn't look like the tags are in properly.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: [cancerblack] on Mar 03, 2021, 10:03:57 PM
Yeah I deleted and tried a second time, to no avail. It just didn't like me quoting your post for whatever reason, and things snowball as for open tags from there.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: judge death on Mar 03, 2021, 10:59:51 PM
Yep if they add the sil creature who has a perfect body, unlike newborn and the black goo creatures that looks more like mutations and abnormal bodies, and having giger creatures and stuff mentioned, and even worse make them better than the normal xenomorph then we have jumped the franchise as the normal xenomorph is meant to be the perfect creature and deadliest in the universe, not lowest ranked and these new xenos are deadlier..... Just breaks it for me completely then.
The perfect organism is this:

(https://cdn.prime1studio.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/1400x1400/17f82f742ffe127f42dca9de82fb58b1/w/a/waal-06_a12-01.jpg)
nothing can be deadlier than this creature :P Its perfectionism.

About the space jockeys looking biomechanical: In alien the space jockey room, the thing it is in and the floor around it is very metalic and normal, while the walls are covered in alien hive resin so I think the xenomorph design is just the hive resin that covers the interiour of the ship after the xenos escaped and bursted out of that space jockey.
but this was later in covenant sadly shown incorrect, but in alien its pretty clear it was the xenos doing, as we saw in the egg scene where the same hive resin covers the inside of the nostromo.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: SM on Mar 03, 2021, 11:23:46 PM
The walls in the Space Jockey room are not covered in hive resin.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: judge death on Mar 03, 2021, 11:28:57 PM
(https://i.redd.it/ca9f6f6134n11.jpg)
To me it looks like alien resin and bone structure like what you see from dark horse alien hives in the comics, its very different from the structure the space jockey is on and the chair thing as well. the wall looks way more organic and not metalic like the floor and the chair is made out of. At least to me :)
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: SiL on Mar 04, 2021, 12:11:13 AM
It's the same kind of ribbed tubing on both.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: judge death on Mar 04, 2021, 12:14:23 AM
Might be the case.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 04, 2021, 12:19:05 AM
Look at the largest pipes on "the Space Jockey chair" and flooring the Pilot sits upon, you can see a nearly identical type of structure running up the wall, it's all the one aesthetic carrying over into everything H.R Giger designed.

In Prometheus we see a more mechanical than organic take on it.

But in Alien Covenant we see patterns nearly identical to the ones in the original film in the damp area Doctor Elizabeth Shaw's dog tags get found in.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: judge death on Mar 04, 2021, 12:31:32 AM
Yep, covenant pulled off that look very well, so my theory of it being alien hive resin/material seem to be incorrect :)
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 04, 2021, 12:44:18 AM
It's more likely that's what a "dead Juggernaut" looks like, as opposed to the "alive Juggernaut" featured in Prometheus as described by Neal Scanlan.

As the one featured in Alien Covenant laid in disrepair for a full decade.

And the one in Alien presumably much longer.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: judge death on Mar 04, 2021, 12:50:25 AM
OH?! Thats a interesting theory, never thought of that one myself, I like that idea and it has logic behind it, learned something new :D
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Mar 04, 2021, 01:17:58 AM
Quote from: judge death on Mar 03, 2021, 11:28:57 PM
(https://i.redd.it/ca9f6f6134n11.jpg)
To me it looks like alien resin and bone structure like what you see from dark horse alien hives in the comics, its very different from the structure the space jockey is on and the chair thing as well. the wall looks way more organic and not metalic like the floor and the chair is made out of. At least to me :)

The hive looks wild and messy.

(https://i.ibb.co/D7bKC0q/Hive-1.jpg)

In the Derelict you have bones positioned in a logical and orderly way.

(https://i.ibb.co/Hr4VGCt/2uaaghj.jpg)
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: RidgeTop on Mar 04, 2021, 06:52:30 AM
Our thoughts on the recent preview:

Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 04, 2021, 06:58:52 AM
You can find my live insufferable commentary in the comments.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: EJA on Mar 04, 2021, 10:48:02 AM
The newborn hybrid in Resurrection was an unintended consequence. The hybrid in the comic book definitely looks like the result of deliberate planning and experimentation.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Mar 04, 2021, 02:07:45 PM
Hrmph. Mad Scientist stuff?
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 04, 2021, 02:28:55 PM
The way I see things, the mad scientist stuff in Resurrection is actually (accidentally) enhanced by what Ridley established in the prequels. Given what we now know about the nature of the pathogen and the way it works, and how served as the basis for the traditional Alien lifecycle as designed by David, it makes more sense to me now that the Ripley clone(s) and the chestburster within would become entangled with one another in various ways during the closing process. And if you take The Cold Forge and what it establishes about the actual for of the facehugger's payload into account, it adds another layer that makes even more sense of all of this strange biological melding...

What we are seeing in this comic, so far, almost seems to be a more controlled and deliberate variation on what was going on in Alien: Resurrection.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 04, 2021, 03:59:44 PM
One can only hope.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Mar 04, 2021, 05:17:03 PM
More Mad Robot Scientist Stuff Please ~ 😋
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Whiskeybrewer on Mar 04, 2021, 06:35:04 PM
I assumed that it depends on where the Hive is made on if its messy or uniform
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Mar 04, 2021, 07:19:24 PM
Well I have to admit that before the Alien Covenant movie showed Juggernauts with biomechanical corridors ...

(https://i.ibb.co/f9qzGT4/Pics-Art-03-04-03-59-38.png)

It crossed my mind that the Derelict, despite being a different ship, was totally sterile and metallic like the Juggernauts from Prometheus. And I thought, like some here, that the biomechanical details were the work of the Alien that was born from Space Jockey.

Although the theory discussed above (that Juggernauts become organic after being long stranded) is more interesting.

Actually, an interesting trivia is when David is observing the ampules for the first time in Prometheus. He could notice that the lid of an ampule was melting or something and he said "Organic".

(https://s4.gifyu.com/images/gif-4764eded43e955500.gif)
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: RidgeTop on Mar 04, 2021, 07:22:12 PM
Quote from: RidgeTop on Mar 04, 2021, 06:52:30 AM
Our thoughts on the recent preview:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1rCObAMvhg

Prometheus Rover in the Star Wars: Jedi Fallen Order comic that I mention in the video.

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Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Mar 04, 2021, 07:36:48 PM
Quote from: RidgeTop on Mar 04, 2021, 07:22:12 PM
Quote from: RidgeTop on Mar 04, 2021, 06:52:30 AM
Our thoughts on the recent preview:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1rCObAMvhg

Prometheus Rover in the Star Wars: Jedi Fallen Order comic that I mention in the video.

Spoiler
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(https://i.imgur.com/CowNL5w.jpg)
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They are lazy thieves! Also they could have used as a reference the Juggernauts from Revenge of the Sith.  :laugh:

(https://i.ibb.co/vDKmGMK/Juggernaut-Front.jpg)

But yeah, the cheapness is courtesy only of Marvel as usual ¬¬ (bellow a vehicle from Mandalorian season 2).

(https://i.ibb.co/jZTgZJM/Mandalorian-Concept-Art-Juggernaut.jpg)
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: judge death on Mar 04, 2021, 07:41:14 PM
Watched the video, some interesting ideas and discussion there, but I will side with ridgetop on this more but that shouldnt be a surprise :P

To me having the mutating dna ideas as focus for creating new xenos, hybrids and whatever the storywriter wants, waters down the xenomorphs and breaks the lore too much for my taste, in a alien comic the xenomorph should be the focus, the original ones which is the perfect creature, not see them being the lowest in the rank and these new creatures and mutations being the focus and shown as better than the originals then its not longer alien to me, its species mixed with starcraft and alien. I fear this female hybrid creature might be a attempt at adding a charachter like kerrigan is in starcraft: a hybrid that controls and leads the zerg creatures and is superiour and ultimate creature: seeing this hybrid do the same and control the xenos: no thanks, thats starcraft not my xenomorphs, they would throw her in the first line attack, the queen or even yet: mother queen is the true leader of the xenomorphs, like it has been and should always be in my book. :P

But not saying hicks is wrong and if one dont see the core of xenomorphs as important and rather see new creatures and ideas and the xenomorphs as just one thing of many and the dna is the main thing and see the xenos lead by new alien human hybrids or whatever new ideas they will try, then fine I see why, you can do much more with the story and have new alien charachters that can talk and do stuff like kerrigan in starcraft.

But thats not for me who still prefer the xenomrophs as its ultimate creature and not a virus etc but a creature that lives for surviving and breeding and use hosts to get stronger versions of themself and cant be poisoned, changed or tamed, they are a force you cant control or mix with but thats the old view but I live with it :P

Well we will find out soon I reckon but I will wait for a deepth detailed study of this and see if they change the lore and do these things I fear will water out the xenos, or if its faithful and we get to see original aliens with no bendy snake like inner jaws or mutations but simple wild and extremly aggresive original alien, else I will stay far away from marvels alien series :P
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Mar 04, 2021, 08:09:27 PM
Quote from: judge death on Mar 04, 2021, 07:41:14 PM
But not saying hicks is wrong and if one dont see the core of xenomorphs as important and rather see new creatures and ideas and the xenomorphs as just one thing of many and the dna is the main thing and see the xenos lead by new alien human hybrids or whatever new ideas they will try, then fine I see why, you can do much more with the story and have new alien charachters that can talk and do stuff like kerrigan in starcraft.

I also prefer the Alien as the ultimate creature. But Gosh, I would be a complete liar if I didn't tell you how much I want to see Ripley 8 and Dr. Shaw transformed into a Kerrigan-like-character. I guess I just love the biomechanical succubus; with Li tobler-inspired paintings as the blueprint.

(https://i.ibb.co/kqW2K9R/images-17.jpg)

(https://i.ibb.co/jRKB2mc/0412.jpg)

(https://s4.gifyu.com/images/JitteryForcefulChameleon-size_restricted.gif)
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: judge death on Mar 04, 2021, 08:22:55 PM
I liked that guys idea that this might be a first attempt at cloning ripley as its taking place after alien 3 and its a failed attempt and more alien than human, ripley clone prototype :) But not a fan of the kerrigan aproach but I can see and understand why some fans would love it, but its not for me :P
Title: Re: Marvel\'s First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Lost_Hunter on Mar 05, 2021, 03:02:48 AM
Good motion tracker guys. Ridgetop you're spot for the art. Comic Book art, especially from Marvel and DC has shifted to photobashed traces and less original concepts and poses. Larocca was a beast back in the day, his work on Xtreme and Ultimate X-Men was great. His work on Star Wars has been questionable. We'll have to wait and see how the Alien is tackled. I wouldn't be surprised if it turns out like the traced neca look from Aliens :Fire and Stone. Here's hoping it's good tho.


*spot on
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: josepbenz on Mar 05, 2021, 07:25:33 AM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 07, 2020, 09:03:36 PM
https://twitter.com/Marvel/status/1336023900434665482

It strikes me as odd that for their very first run, they're using a "Deadly New Breed of Xenomorph." You'd think, right off the bat, they'd want to do something with a more traditional Alien to ease in their run.

like an upgrade of venom
Title: Re: Marvel\'s First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: RidgeTop on Mar 05, 2021, 08:52:02 AM
Quote from: Lost_Hunter on Mar 05, 2021, 03:02:48 AM
Good motion tracker guys. Ridgetop you're spot for the art. Comic Book art, especially from Marvel and DC has shifted to photobashed traces and less original concepts and poses. Larocca was a beast back in the day, his work on Xtreme and Ultimate X-Men was great. His work on Star Wars has been questionable. We'll have to wait and see how the Alien is tackled. I wouldn't be surprised if it turns out like the traced neca look from Aliens :Fire and Stone. Here's hoping it's good tho.


*spot on

Thanks! That's pretty disheartening, before I knew about all of this I somehow thought DC and Marvel would only be top tier art, shows how informed I've been about comics outside of Dark Horse as of late.

Another variant from Greg Horn, heavily referenced from Aliens: Colonial Marines:

(https://i.imgur.com/3JIVkXD.jpg)

le sigh.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: [cancerblack] on Mar 05, 2021, 07:56:38 PM
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Mar 04, 2021, 08:09:27 PM
Quote from: judge death on Mar 04, 2021, 07:41:14 PM
But not saying hicks is wrong and if one dont see the core of xenomorphs as important and rather see new creatures and ideas and the xenomorphs as just one thing of many and the dna is the main thing and see the xenos lead by new alien human hybrids or whatever new ideas they will try, then fine I see why, you can do much more with the story and have new alien charachters that can talk and do stuff like kerrigan in starcraft.

I also prefer the Alien as the ultimate creature. But Gosh, I would be a complete liar if I didn't tell you how much I want to see Ripley 8 and Dr. Shaw transformed into a Kerrigan-like-character. I guess I just love the biomechanical succubus; with Li tobler-inspired paintings as the blueprint.

https://i.ibb.co/kqW2K9R/images-17.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/jRKB2mc/0412.jpg

https://s4.gifyu.com/images/JitteryForcefulChameleon-size_restricted.gif

Kerrigan is peak lazy-f**ker story telling. Hey, let's give our unknowable alien faction a human figurehead. And let's make her sexy.

However, I do like me some biomechanoid humanoids, just make them near-mindless servitors of their sinister creator (who/whatever that may be), and at least somewhat repulsive or pathetic. Bonus points for being physically hyper-specialized to the point of being basically single-purpose entities.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 05, 2021, 08:35:44 PM
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Mar 05, 2021, 07:56:38 PMHey, let's give our unknowable alien faction a human figurehead. And let's make her sexy.

She also has spikes protruding from her feet that act as high heels.  Ridiculous!  >:(

Spoiler
But I love it.
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Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Lost_Hunter on Mar 06, 2021, 12:54:53 AM
I think the kerrigan/ sil character would work better without eyes. Lean in and create something different and unsettling.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: EJA on Mar 06, 2021, 01:18:27 PM
The most recent films have already hinted that worse things than the Aliens could exist.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: RidgeTop on Mar 06, 2021, 01:26:48 PM
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1556/9595/products/ALIEN2021001_DC34_1024x.jpg?v=1614807949)
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1556/9595/products/ALIEN2021001_DC33_500x.jpg?v=1614807866)

Mico Suayan variant

Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 06, 2021, 02:35:00 PM
The Prequels depict the Pathogen's effectiveness, as it's ancestral precursor, that we actively watch the Alien surpass.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: EJA on Mar 06, 2021, 05:10:16 PM
Quote from: Trash Queen on Mar 06, 2021, 02:35:00 PM
The Prequels depict the Pathogen's effectiveness, as it's ancestral precursor, that we actively watch the Alien surpass.

But the seed has already been planted that it could lead to other horrors. Plus there are the Engineers themselves. And let's not forget the Predators.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 06, 2021, 05:56:46 PM
I sincerely doubt it. The Engineers? Gone and just ancient humanity anyway. The Predators? Around but not particularly horrific in my opinion.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: EJA on Mar 06, 2021, 09:40:55 PM
Quote from: Trash Queen on Mar 06, 2021, 05:56:46 PM
I sincerely doubt it. The Engineers? Gone and just ancient humanity anyway. The Predators? Around but not particularly horrific in my opinion.

I must respectfully disagree. David may have killed the ones on their home planet, but there could well be other colonies out there somewhere, and they're powerful, and can be quite unpleasant. And how are the Predators not horrific?
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 06, 2021, 09:42:09 PM
Just not in the realm of body horror's more what I mean.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: SM on Mar 07, 2021, 08:06:56 AM
But they rip out your spine and steal your autism.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: [cancerblack] on Mar 07, 2021, 09:23:16 AM
Quote from: SM on Mar 07, 2021, 08:06:56 AM
But they rip out your spine and steal your autism.

But I need those for derailing threads
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: EJA on Mar 07, 2021, 10:43:11 AM
In past stories, something always eventually goes wrong with attempts to upgrade the Alien, or merge it with humanity.  Remember the King Alien? So I doubt this new hybrid will be around for very long.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Mar 07, 2021, 02:05:50 PM
Quote from: EJA on Mar 07, 2021, 10:43:11 AM
or merge it with humanity. 

(https://i.ibb.co/dmTkBqh/50q96c.jpg)
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 07, 2021, 02:08:14 PM
Nah, give this one a spin-off. :D

(https://www.yourprops.com/movieprops/original/4c430bfdc8037/Alien-Resurrection-Ripley-Clone-from-ALIEN-RESURRECTION-1.jpg)
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Mar 07, 2021, 02:19:40 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 07, 2021, 02:08:14 PM
Nah, give this one a spin-off. :D

https://www.yourprops.com/movieprops/original/4c430bfdc8037/Alien-Resurrection-Ripley-Clone-from-ALIEN-RESURRECTION-1.jpg

:o

Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Mar 07, 2021, 02:20:22 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 07, 2021, 02:08:14 PM
Nah, give this one a spin-off. :D

https://www.yourprops.com/movieprops/original/4c430bfdc8037/Alien-Resurrection-Ripley-Clone-from-ALIEN-RESURRECTION-1.jpg

How much for your rubber chicken good sir?
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: HuDaFuK on Mar 07, 2021, 05:38:55 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 07, 2021, 02:08:14 PMNah, give this one a spin-off. :D

https://www.yourprops.com/movieprops/original/4c430bfdc8037/Alien-Resurrection-Ripley-Clone-from-ALIEN-RESURRECTION-1.jpg

Whatever abuse people can throw at Resurrection, that scene was legitimately fantastic.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 07, 2021, 06:54:57 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Mar 07, 2021, 05:38:55 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 07, 2021, 02:08:14 PMNah, give this one a spin-off. :D

https://www.yourprops.com/movieprops/original/4c430bfdc8037/Alien-Resurrection-Ripley-Clone-from-ALIEN-RESURRECTION-1.jpg

Whatever abuse people can throw at Resurrection, that scene was legitimately fantastic.

Aye, agreed. But then, I genuinely dig most of the movie.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Mar 07, 2021, 09:16:23 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 07, 2021, 06:54:57 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Mar 07, 2021, 05:38:55 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 07, 2021, 02:08:14 PMNah, give this one a spin-off. :D

https://www.yourprops.com/movieprops/original/4c430bfdc8037/Alien-Resurrection-Ripley-Clone-from-ALIEN-RESURRECTION-1.jpg

Whatever abuse people can throw at Resurrection, that scene was legitimately fantastic.

Aye, agreed. But then, I genuinely dig most of the movie.

This Covenant set piece was screaming for the Resurrection treatment.

(https://i.ibb.co/cXWP48F/images-28.jpg)

With that in mind, Daniels may have found Shaw begging for someone to end with his torment.

(https://i.ibb.co/jbbx8FJ/27541013-957052594442115-4051029415729103899-n.jpg)
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Huggs on Mar 07, 2021, 09:22:37 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 07, 2021, 02:08:14 PM
Nah, give this one a spin-off. :D

https://www.yourprops.com/movieprops/original/4c430bfdc8037/Alien-Resurrection-Ripley-Clone-from-ALIEN-RESURRECTION-1.jpg

Aww look, she's smilin for her picture.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: RidgeTop on Mar 08, 2021, 12:51:30 AM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Mar 07, 2021, 05:38:55 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 07, 2021, 02:08:14 PMNah, give this one a spin-off. :D

https://www.yourprops.com/movieprops/original/4c430bfdc8037/Alien-Resurrection-Ripley-Clone-from-ALIEN-RESURRECTION-1.jpg

Whatever abuse people can throw at Resurrection, that scene was legitimately fantastic.

Always liked that clone the most.

Glad I got to photograph it.

(https://i.imgur.com/MX3sWFc.jpg)
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 08, 2021, 12:55:07 AM
Quote from: RidgeTop on Mar 08, 2021, 12:51:30 AM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Mar 07, 2021, 05:38:55 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 07, 2021, 02:08:14 PMNah, give this one a spin-off. :D

https://www.yourprops.com/movieprops/original/4c430bfdc8037/Alien-Resurrection-Ripley-Clone-from-ALIEN-RESURRECTION-1.jpg

Whatever abuse people can throw at Resurrection, that scene was legitimately fantastic.

Always liked that clone the most.

Glad I got to photograph it.

(https://i.imgur.com/MX3sWFc.jpg)

Lovely shot. Such a cool design for a failed, mangled hybrid.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: EJA on Mar 10, 2021, 06:50:48 PM
Has anyone noticed this?

https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Predator_37_(Earth-928) (https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Predator_37_(Earth-928))
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Prez on Mar 11, 2021, 03:07:29 AM
Quote from: RidgeTop on Mar 08, 2021, 12:51:30 AM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Mar 07, 2021, 05:38:55 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 07, 2021, 02:08:14 PMNah, give this one a spin-off. :D

https://www.yourprops.com/movieprops/original/4c430bfdc8037/Alien-Resurrection-Ripley-Clone-from-ALIEN-RESURRECTION-1.jpg

Whatever abuse people can throw at Resurrection, that scene was legitimately fantastic.

Always liked that clone the most.

Glad I got to photograph it.

(https://i.imgur.com/MX3sWFc.jpg)

Always reminded me of a Chatterer (the Cenobite) from Hellraiser.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: EJA on Mar 12, 2021, 06:14:01 PM
How well would Aliens and Predator fit into the Ultimate Marvel universe?
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: [cancerblack] on Mar 12, 2021, 10:05:32 PM
Badly.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Mar 12, 2021, 11:34:17 PM
I know it is not the same brand, but can you imagine an Alien being born from a Kritonian?  :o you could only kill it with kryptonite.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: SM on Mar 12, 2021, 11:55:30 PM
Or just fly somewhere without a yellow sun.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 13, 2021, 12:32:12 AM
Would it still not be a perfect organism?
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: SuperiorIronman on Mar 13, 2021, 01:28:27 AM
Quote from: EJA on Mar 12, 2021, 06:14:01 PM
How well would Aliens and Predator fit into the Ultimate Marvel universe?

The way Marvel used to do things was that when they acquired a brand they'd incorporate it into the main Marvel comics continuity. Godzilla, the Transformers, Rom space knight, etc. It didn't always remain that way but things definitely at one point or another had been in continuity. Godzilla is still technically around but has to be called something else and have a design change. I don't think they ever did that with Star Wars but a Captain Universe book strongly implies the films existed in continuity where the then Captain Universe conjures himself a brand X lightsaber.

Speaking as to the Ultimate Universe, I don't think it'd be worth it. The Ultimate universe's appeal was that it was a modern reboot of the Marvel universe circa the early 2000's. The thing is though is that today it doesn't make much sense since Spider-man became the only thing anybody cared about from the line and even then thanks to the internet it's not hard at all to get up to date. Maybe in 2005 or something but not these days which was a part of the appeal since at the time it was initially active the mainline books went back decades and a fresh start was perhaps warranted. It also doesn't help that most characters the Alien or Predator could fight died in Ultimatum or just isn't nearly as interesting as the mainline unvierse versions.

Personally speaking when they inevitably do crossover it should just be a world preferably made for them that way it doesn't have to worry about whether someone dying screws up an Avengers book or something especially since in comics a death might as well be an extended vacation. I'm still holding out for Predator: Herald of Galactus though.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Kimarhi on Mar 13, 2021, 02:46:33 AM
I think there will be rando crossovers for certain.  DH did it with DC multiple times.  MC is all about cross branding franchises with each other so it is going to happen.

I just don't think whatever happens will have any lasting effect in the marvel continuity and will eventually have the Alien/Predator franchises as their own thing. 
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: EJA on Mar 14, 2021, 09:13:13 PM
It would be interesting if they did make it canon though, like the crossovers with DH's Comics' Greatest World, WildC.A.T.S., and Judge Dredd.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: [cancerblack] on Mar 14, 2021, 10:28:21 PM
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Mar 12, 2021, 11:34:17 PM
I know it is not the same brand, but can you imagine an Alien being born from a Kritonian?  :o you could only kill it with kryptonite.

Happened in Superman vs Aliens, and they were totally normal Aliens because:

Quote from: SM on Mar 12, 2021, 11:55:30 PM
Or just fly somewhere without a yellow sun.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: EJA on Mar 16, 2021, 08:29:38 PM
I'd definitely enjoy seeing Dutch and/or Harrigan return for the Marvel series.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 16, 2021, 10:56:29 PM
With traced frames from Jingle all the way oh yeah.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Prez on Mar 16, 2021, 11:14:22 PM
Saw this first posted on the Weyland Yutani Bulletin on FB but holy sh*t ... Marvel taking the absolute piss here.

https://www.tfaw.com/jan210580-alien-1-wraparound-space-variant.html?ff=4&fp=802040&utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=shopping&gclid=Cj0KCQjwrsGCBhD1ARIsALILBYrOoLN4reJKT2NTTRKkSz2duJ2D4tcARmCk_nW3RtfVQYOJpd1ttQ0aAr7JEALw_wcB&fbclid=IwAR0TG-CMvi353PiuuN4ipCwC070qdBElRgGmA5M5t2ByBtRZ8v0U8dOo7iI (https://www.tfaw.com/jan210580-alien-1-wraparound-space-variant.html?ff=4&fp=802040&utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=shopping&gclid=Cj0KCQjwrsGCBhD1ARIsALILBYrOoLN4reJKT2NTTRKkSz2duJ2D4tcARmCk_nW3RtfVQYOJpd1ttQ0aAr7JEALw_wcB&fbclid=IwAR0TG-CMvi353PiuuN4ipCwC070qdBElRgGmA5M5t2ByBtRZ8v0U8dOo7iI)

Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 16, 2021, 11:55:58 PM
At first I saw the tracing.
(https://thumbs.gfycat.com/DearAlertArmednylonshrimp-max-1mb.gif)

Then I saw the Species thing.
(https://thumbs.gfycat.com/EagerSameAltiplanochinchillamouse-max-1mb.gif)

Now this.
(https://img.ifunny.co/images/0b60ab94cb061365c5364ee70995c97c5e3a298753f318face41f59c9582d4ce_1.gif)

Spoiler
lmao bring on all the trash at this point then
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Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: SM on Mar 17, 2021, 12:02:01 AM
Quote from: Prez on Mar 16, 2021, 11:14:22 PM
Saw this first posted on the Weyland Yutani Bulletin on FB but holy sh*t ... Marvel taking the absolute piss here.

https://www.tfaw.com/jan210580-alien-1-wraparound-space-variant.html?ff=4&fp=802040&utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=shopping&gclid=Cj0KCQjwrsGCBhD1ARIsALILBYrOoLN4reJKT2NTTRKkSz2duJ2D4tcARmCk_nW3RtfVQYOJpd1ttQ0aAr7JEALw_wcB&fbclid=IwAR0TG-CMvi353PiuuN4ipCwC070qdBElRgGmA5M5t2ByBtRZ8v0U8dOo7iI (https://www.tfaw.com/jan210580-alien-1-wraparound-space-variant.html?ff=4&fp=802040&utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=shopping&gclid=Cj0KCQjwrsGCBhD1ARIsALILBYrOoLN4reJKT2NTTRKkSz2duJ2D4tcARmCk_nW3RtfVQYOJpd1ttQ0aAr7JEALw_wcB&fbclid=IwAR0TG-CMvi353PiuuN4ipCwC070qdBElRgGmA5M5t2ByBtRZ8v0U8dOo7iI)

Is it the totally uninspired cover or the price - or both?
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: judge death on Mar 17, 2021, 12:19:41 AM
WTF is that a cover for the comic, wraparound wtf? Lazy as f**k anyways xD
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Prez on Mar 17, 2021, 12:29:00 AM
Quote from: SM on Mar 17, 2021, 12:02:01 AM
Quote from: Prez on Mar 16, 2021, 11:14:22 PM
Saw this first posted on the Weyland Yutani Bulletin on FB but holy sh*t ... Marvel taking the absolute piss here.

https://www.tfaw.com/jan210580-alien-1-wraparound-space-variant.html?ff=4&fp=802040&utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=shopping&gclid=Cj0KCQjwrsGCBhD1ARIsALILBYrOoLN4reJKT2NTTRKkSz2duJ2D4tcARmCk_nW3RtfVQYOJpd1ttQ0aAr7JEALw_wcB&fbclid=IwAR0TG-CMvi353PiuuN4ipCwC070qdBElRgGmA5M5t2ByBtRZ8v0U8dOo7iI (https://www.tfaw.com/jan210580-alien-1-wraparound-space-variant.html?ff=4&fp=802040&utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=shopping&gclid=Cj0KCQjwrsGCBhD1ARIsALILBYrOoLN4reJKT2NTTRKkSz2duJ2D4tcARmCk_nW3RtfVQYOJpd1ttQ0aAr7JEALw_wcB&fbclid=IwAR0TG-CMvi353PiuuN4ipCwC070qdBElRgGmA5M5t2ByBtRZ8v0U8dOo7iI)

Is it the totally uninspired cover or the price - or both?

Both  ;D
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: SM on Mar 17, 2021, 12:30:43 AM
Looks like a prime opportunity to do a take on the opening titles of Alien with the planet and rings - but they just thought 'nah, too hard - f**k it'.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Prez on Mar 17, 2021, 08:47:38 AM
Quote from: SM on Mar 17, 2021, 12:30:43 AM
Looks like a prime opportunity to do a take on the opening titles of Alien with the planet and rings - but they just thought 'nah, too hard - f**k it'.

Yep
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: HuDaFuK on Mar 17, 2021, 09:15:55 AM
The cover I actually quite like for it's minimalism.

But the price :laugh:
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Mar 17, 2021, 10:16:58 AM
That price is an absolute f**king joke. I genuinely cannot believe they have the gall to do this.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Whiskeybrewer on Mar 17, 2021, 11:52:33 AM
Wow.....Just Wow
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Prez on Mar 17, 2021, 12:26:05 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 17, 2021, 10:16:58 AM
That price is an absolute f**king joke. I genuinely cannot believe they have the gall to do this.

Indeed. Any good faith I had in them (which was already strained given previous events) I think is gone down the toilet.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Kimarhi on Mar 17, 2021, 08:47:46 PM
That's just that basic ass looking cover, but I'm sure its meant to be more of a collectors item for future resale.

Regular issue is 3.99. 
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Darwinsgirl on Mar 17, 2021, 08:51:27 PM
Quote from: Prez on Mar 16, 2021, 11:14:22 PM
Saw this first posted on the Weyland Yutani Bulletin on FB but holy sh*t ... Marvel taking the absolute piss here.

https://www.tfaw.com/jan210580-alien-1-wraparound-space-variant.html?ff=4&fp=802040&utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=shopping&gclid=Cj0KCQjwrsGCBhD1ARIsALILBYrOoLN4reJKT2NTTRKkSz2duJ2D4tcARmCk_nW3RtfVQYOJpd1ttQ0aAr7JEALw_wcB&fbclid=IwAR0TG-CMvi353PiuuN4ipCwC070qdBElRgGmA5M5t2ByBtRZ8v0U8dOo7iI (https://www.tfaw.com/jan210580-alien-1-wraparound-space-variant.html?ff=4&fp=802040&utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=shopping&gclid=Cj0KCQjwrsGCBhD1ARIsALILBYrOoLN4reJKT2NTTRKkSz2duJ2D4tcARmCk_nW3RtfVQYOJpd1ttQ0aAr7JEALw_wcB&fbclid=IwAR0TG-CMvi353PiuuN4ipCwC070qdBElRgGmA5M5t2ByBtRZ8v0U8dOo7iI)

Retailers have to purchase 200 copies of the combined covers to be able to purchase 1 copy of this.

There is a 500 purchase copy variant by INHYUK LEE VIRGIN variant too. :o
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Nukiemorph on Mar 17, 2021, 09:23:39 PM
I don't follow comics much, so is this abnormal? I imagine they do this sort of thing all the time... Produce a super rare expensive variant for the hardcore collectors. Does this really change anything?
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Prez on Mar 17, 2021, 10:34:07 PM
Quote from: David's Creation on Mar 17, 2021, 09:23:39 PM
I don't follow comics much, so is this abnormal? I imagine they do this sort of thing all the time... Produce a super rare expensive variant for the hardcore collectors. Does this really change anything?

I've purchased variant covers before and maybe paid a wee bit extra but $200 ... yer nah they can shove that where the sun don't shine. I mean look if anyone wants to spunk that kinda money on this then it's their choice ... I just think it's ludicrous for a single issue at that price.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Darwinsgirl on Mar 17, 2021, 10:43:18 PM
Quote from: David's Creation on Mar 17, 2021, 09:23:39 PM
I don't follow comics much, so is this abnormal? I imagine they do this sort of thing all the time... Produce a super rare expensive variant for the hardcore collectors. Does this really change anything?

Well it does drives sales for a title. Marvel / Diamond only make money on the initial order of the comic. Then later reprints,trades and related items. (Also advertisers placing ads)

With high order amounts to purchase variant covers they are much scarcer then the standard cover and it drives the price up for the collector and cost for the retailer.

Prez is right. Refusing to pay is a good way to say no to this practice.

P.S.

The $159.99 price is set by Thing from Another World not Marvel. The cover price is $4.99. But the cost is buying 200 copies at $2.49 to "purchase" 1 copy of this. Oh and UPS fees are not included in the cost. That is a separate fee.

Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 18, 2021, 12:01:43 AM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Mar 17, 2021, 09:15:55 AM
The cover I actually quite like for it's minimalism.

It reminds me of Spinal Tap's Smell the Glove.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Nukiemorph on Mar 18, 2021, 12:35:39 AM
Quote from: Prez on Mar 17, 2021, 10:34:07 PM
I've purchased variant covers before and maybe paid a wee bit extra but $200 ... yer nah they can shove that where the sun don't shine. I mean look if anyone wants to spunk that kinda money on this then it's their choice ... I just think it's ludicrous for a single issue at that price.
Quote from: Darwinsgirl on Mar 17, 2021, 10:43:18 PM
Prez is right. Refusing to pay is a good way to say no to this practice.
Don't get me wrong, I certainly wouldn't pay that for a single issue.

Quote from: Darwinsgirl on Mar 17, 2021, 10:43:18 PM
P.S.

The $159.99 price is set by Thing from Another World not Marvel. The cover price is $4.99. But the cost is buying 200 copies at $2.49 to "purchase" 1 copy of this. Oh and UPS fees are not included in the cost. That is a separate fee.
Which brings me back to my question, is this particular thing worth adding to the pile of other reasons to be mad at Marvel Alien? Seems like it's just standard comic bullshit and I don't feel compelled to care.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: SuperiorIronman on Mar 18, 2021, 01:23:34 AM
It's standard comic industry behavior. It doesn't make it right but it's not a unique case to Alien even if it's a bad look given it's 200 dollars for ultimately nothing.

I would throw it on the pile preemptively given that for all this book/brand is doing wrong leading up to its launch if it turns out bad somebody just wasted 200 dollars on what everyone else is only going to spend at most 5.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Kimarhi on Mar 18, 2021, 02:08:25 AM
I can't really be offended by it either.  If you don't buy that particular issue, then you don't have to worry about it.


Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 18, 2021, 04:20:08 AM
I can, it's pathetic, like everything about this so far, with the exception of the writer.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: SM on Mar 18, 2021, 05:05:53 AM
It's not offensive.

Mindf**kingly dumb, but not offensive.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 18, 2021, 05:15:02 AM
You should be apoplectic.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: SM on Mar 18, 2021, 05:24:31 AM
Why?
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 18, 2021, 05:33:01 AM
Because it's upsetting!
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: SM on Mar 18, 2021, 05:50:44 AM
Not upset; just disappointed.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 18, 2021, 06:31:39 PM
June solicitations, including covers and a synopsis for issue #4:

https://www.gamesradar.com/marvel-comics-june-2021-solicitations/
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Mar 18, 2021, 07:12:02 PM
(https://i1.wp.com/aiptcomics.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/ALIEN2021004_Cov.jpg)
(https://i0.wp.com/aiptcomics.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/ALIEN2021004_LashleyVar_Cov.jpg)

Spoiler
A BISHOP MAKES HIS MOVE.

• Will Gabe find his son? And if so...what will be left of him?

• The clock is ticking. The odds are long. The worst is coming.
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Nothing particularly detailed in the synopsis.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Kimarhi on Mar 18, 2021, 08:00:47 PM
I know the bottom issue cover is meant to conjur up Aliens Newt scene, but I do kinda dig it. 
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Xiggz456 on Mar 18, 2021, 08:59:53 PM
I'm actually diggin both those covers.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Prez on Mar 19, 2021, 02:28:29 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 18, 2021, 07:12:02 PM
(https://i1.wp.com/aiptcomics.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/ALIEN2021004_Cov.jpg)
(https://i0.wp.com/aiptcomics.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/ALIEN2021004_LashleyVar_Cov.jpg)

Spoiler
A BISHOP MAKES HIS MOVE.
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That second cover is giving me Mignola AvP vibes in the style and pose. Not saying traced either but definitely inspired by it.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Kimarhi on Mar 19, 2021, 02:57:26 AM
the head design reminds me of whoever drew genocide back in the day.
Title: Re: Marvel\'s First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Mar 19, 2021, 08:24:01 AM
I'm really loving Lee's style! The standard covers are gorgeous.


https://www.facebook.com/kaelngu/posts/10158506372493218
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Xiggz456 on Mar 19, 2021, 11:12:03 AM
Beautiful detail on that one!
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: SM on Mar 19, 2021, 11:57:20 AM
That one looks pretty sweet.

And yet the first thing that pops into my head is 'Is it traced?'
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 19, 2021, 12:06:34 PM
Reminds me of a Locusta piece, but I don't think it's traced.
Title: Re: Marvel\'s First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: RidgeTop on Mar 19, 2021, 07:18:31 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 19, 2021, 08:24:01 AM
I'm really loving Lee's style! The standard covers are gorgeous.


https://www.facebook.com/kaelngu/posts/10158506372493218

Covenant eggs a bit out of place though.
Title: Re: Marvel\'s First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 19, 2021, 07:25:27 PM
Quote from: RidgeTop on Mar 19, 2021, 07:18:31 PM
Covenant eggs a bit out of place though.

Given the various offshoots/mutations in this I almost want to give them the benefit of the doubt and say that's intentional... but nah, there's no way that was intentional.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Mar 19, 2021, 08:22:43 PM
https://www.syfy.com/syfywire/preview-marvel-comics-alien-1

5 page preview.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: SM on Mar 19, 2021, 09:50:48 PM
Quote from: Trash Queen on Mar 19, 2021, 12:06:34 PM
Reminds me of a Locusta piece, but I don't think it's traced.

Ah yes, that's what it reminded me of.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Ultramorph on Mar 19, 2021, 11:43:18 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 19, 2021, 08:22:43 PM
https://www.syfy.com/syfywire/preview-marvel-comics-alien-1

5 page preview.

I really hope
Spoiler
the Sil lady isn't just a dream.
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That would be a major cop-out. If not, it looks cool otherwise, some dubious xenos aside.

Never mind, didn't read it fully. The Alpha, huh? I'm definitely down for a new wrinkle, especially if it ties back to Shaw or Daniels.
Title: Re: Marvel\'s First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Mar 20, 2021, 12:49:33 AM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 19, 2021, 07:25:27 PM
Quote from: RidgeTop on Mar 19, 2021, 07:18:31 PM
Covenant eggs a bit out of place though.

Given the various offshoots/mutations in this I almost want to give them the benefit of the doubt and say that's intentional... but nah, there's no way that was intentional.

Those sterile metallic walls, while cool and all, aren't Giger's biomechanical decorations. It is the same aesthetic of the Engineers in Prometheus.

(https://i.ibb.co/74WdXjq/Pics-Art-03-19-09-40-06.jpg)


So yup. No bones except the Alien, which looks amazing without a doubt.  8)

(https://i.ibb.co/n0b2rYC/Screenshot-2021-03-19-21-28-03-2.png)
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: SuperiorIronman on Mar 20, 2021, 01:32:33 AM
(https://fastly.syfy.com/sites/syfy/files/styles/1100xauto/public/alien-slice-3.jpg)

- So what is the hammerpede from Prometheus doing here?

- Most of the designs are what I assume meant to be drones and we have the one warrior in the background that I'm convinced is either an Eaglemoss statue or a Neca toy.

- Pretty sure the Alien in the middle is Stompy.

- The proportions are atrocious. Everyone is too big or too small in places and the Hammerpede that I guess wanted to hang out that day is as big as a normal Alien's arm.

(https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/mHW9pGzDQLLjzV4kAzjLZc-1200-80.jpg)
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Mar 20, 2021, 01:59:39 AM
The xeno chick is friendzoning Stompy ¿ ???
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: PAS Spinelli on Mar 20, 2021, 02:16:09 AM
Quote
(https://fastly.syfy.com/sites/syfy/files/styles/1100xauto/public/alien-slice-3.jpg)
Wow this is garbage
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: judge death on Mar 20, 2021, 02:19:41 AM
Seems more and more my predictment of the xeno chick is correct xD
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: RidgeTop on Mar 20, 2021, 02:28:44 AM
Quote from: PAS Spinelli on Mar 20, 2021, 02:16:09 AM
Quote
(https://fastly.syfy.com/sites/syfy/files/styles/1100xauto/public/alien-slice-3.jpg)
Wow this is garbage

That group of Aliens just looks awful, no way around it. It's odd that the other elements of the comic like human characters and environments don't look nearly as bad.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: SuperiorIronman on Mar 20, 2021, 02:51:33 AM
So I might be right about the Neca toys being used. On the left you can even see the joints in the arm for f**k sake.
What kills me about this image is that you have the out of place warrior in a sea of Drones and Runners but also the random Hammerpede. Like sure this could be out of context and maybe we see them as made with the goo, but assuming they're not Larroca missed the part where the Hammerpede isn't a Xenomorph but included it anyways.

A scene like this though, you should include toys but instead of an outright tracing job, this could've been a fun place to include cameos. What if among the crowd we spotted Grid in there or maybe we get a cameo of the Raven? Just fun things for the audience to find like maybe seeing the Snake Alien somewhere or a Drone that looks like one of the AVP Arcade Aliens. That's the thing you should do with group shots like this. Something fun for the audience to find in the crowd. Instead we're picking this apart just like what happened with Tristan Jones and that cover. Hell I think he already spotted a bunch of trace jobs on this.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: tyrannosaurusjones on Mar 20, 2021, 03:46:50 AM
I don't know why any of you would pay money to find out after all this. I sure as f**k am not.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: 426Buddy on Mar 20, 2021, 04:00:51 AM
I'm not either. I find the art very off-putting, especially human faces. The soulless tracing of the Aliens is just depressing.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Prez on Mar 20, 2021, 04:57:11 AM
Quote from: SuperiorIronman on Mar 20, 2021, 02:51:33 AM
So I might be right about the Neca toys being used. On the left you can even see the joints in the arm for f**k sake....

Think you're right. Looks like a Posterise effect in Photoshop being applied to a photo.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 20, 2021, 05:01:24 AM
Quote from: tyrannosaurusjones on Mar 20, 2021, 03:46:50 AM
I don't know why any of you would pay money to find out after all this. I sure as f**k am not.

Yes it looks abysmal, not just on an artistic level, but the Species creature like the Hammerpede feels tacked on and inappropriate, and likely a fundamental misunderstanding of the rules of Alien and also The Pathogen.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: SM on Mar 20, 2021, 06:01:40 AM
QuoteSo I might be right about the Neca toys being used.

I've read Dark Horse scripts where they say which Neca figures to use for reference.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Xenomrph on Mar 20, 2021, 09:36:30 AM
Quote from: SM on Mar 20, 2021, 06:01:40 AM
QuoteSo I might be right about the Neca toys being used.

I've read Dark Horse scripts where they say which Neca figures to use for reference.
That's hilarious.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: 426Buddy on Mar 20, 2021, 11:21:09 AM
I think we've well covered the difference between referencing and straight up copying/tracing and using filters.

One of few DH comics I remember for the tracing was in Fire and Stone and it bothered me then too. Also DH didn't come out of the gate  with a cocaphony of traced and stolen art like Marvel has.

If you guys want to feed this garbage then thats your choice. For me this has been an eye opener in regard to the growing trend of tracing and copying in the industry. I love original Alien art but now I can't even see a new pc of art without wondering what it's been stolen from. It really feels like the right time to step away from the comics.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: SM on Mar 20, 2021, 12:11:24 PM
Since I don't collect the toys, I didn't even notice it in Fire & Stone until someone (RidgeTop I think) pointed it out.  Now I can't unsee it.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Mar 20, 2021, 01:31:26 PM
Wow, this thread is bumming me out. I was really looking forward to an Alien ongoing series, but now? Serious trepidation. I'm still going to check this out, but I am totally behind the fans casting a vote with their wallet too.

Ugh, we're supposed to be brimming with anticipation at this point. Now I just hope the Predator ongoing doesn't suffer from the same negative build-up.  :-[
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Kimarhi on Mar 20, 2021, 01:45:51 PM
Disney diving right into a franchise without proper planning is kind of the norm though innit?
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Ultramorph on Mar 20, 2021, 01:50:04 PM
Quote from: Kimarhi on Mar 20, 2021, 01:45:51 PM
Disney diving right into a franchise without proper planning is kind of the norm though innit?

Seems to be what happened with Star Wars, but those comics seem to be getting good reviews these days.
If this series is a stinker, it doesn't mean they won't do better stories later.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 20, 2021, 01:54:00 PM
A lot of the Star Wars comics are also filled with this kind of lazy tracing - by and large that fanbase just doesn't seem to notice (or care) as much, I guess.

This disgusts me so much here, and the person I really feel for is writer Phillip Kennedy Johnson. Every interview I've heard with him has been great. I'm incredibly interested in his ideas, his interpretation and take on the Alien universe, and where this comic seems to be going. But the art is just such an incredibly major turnoff; I can't even imagine being in his shoes, and being paired with this. :-X
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Ultramorph on Mar 20, 2021, 02:14:55 PM
Agreed, hopefully the writing is good. Artists don't really stay on things long at Marvel, so maybe we'll get a better artist after an arc or two, assuming the book doesn't crash and burn sales wise.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: RidgeTop on Mar 20, 2021, 02:28:26 PM
Quote from: SM on Mar 20, 2021, 12:11:24 PM
Since I don't collect the toys, I didn't even notice it in Fire & Stone until someone (RidgeTop I think) pointed it out.  Now I can't unsee it.

Apologies for that. That was the first comic in these franchises that I noticed did this.

Patrick Reynolds for Aliens: Fire & Stone.

(https://img1.wsimg.com/isteam/ip/0b9021c4-5d2b-4462-b075-267cd0ab1493/3298e0c3-735f-41d6-b626-a97b539df8a1.jpg/:/)
(https://img1.wsimg.com/isteam/ip/0b9021c4-5d2b-4462-b075-267cd0ab1493/abd40d2b-6f8b-411c-bf0a-e5f7792ce2a8.jpg/:/)

I met Reynolds at Salt Lake FanX (Our Comic Con), and he was a nice guy, nothing against him. I don't understand the deadline schedules that artists work under in the comic industry, which is an industry that's changed a lot since even the 90's and early 2000's. I understand different artists have different methods and Reynolds can still effectively structure a scene.

But this sort of stuff just doesn't fly with me, and I'm seeing it more and more. I recently finally got around to Alien: The Original Screenplay and in that one as well, a bunch of retooled backgrounds used for the ship nearly ruined the experience for me of an otherwise good comic.

I think SizzyBubbles illustrated it nicely here. You can draw from reference, that's what they teach you in art, but that reference should be a starting point to get the basics down, not the foundation of the piece itself.

https://twitter.com/SizzyBubbles/status/1359306469254918146

If one can't draw Aliens, one shouldn't be working on an Alien comic. This is just so lazy and really should be called out. If I'm seeing reused environments and elements I've already seen before just tweaked a bit, it takes me right out of the experience. Art needs to be prioritized just as much as writing in Comics, and this sort of thing just isn't good artistic practice. I want to see an illustrator's skill and imagination, not what they could collage together and draw over in Photoshop.

Tristan Jones also noticed the background from that terrible looking scene in Alien #1 was also ripped:

https://twitter.com/tyrannojones/status/1373256996699348993
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 20, 2021, 02:31:29 PM
Never did read any of the Fire & Stone stuff. I was initially intrigued by the idea of prequel elements starting to surface in the comics, but the idea of doing it in a "vs Predator" style crossover rubbed me the wrong way.

That's one of the things that excited me about Marvel's #1; actual prequel elements in a non-crossover comic! Shame about the art...
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Mar 20, 2021, 03:10:08 PM
Quote from: RidgeTop on Mar 20, 2021, 02:28:26 PM
But this sort of stuff just doesn't fly with me, and I'm seeing it more and more. I recently finally got around to Alien: The Original Screenplay and in that one as well, a bunch of retooled backgrounds used for the ship nearly ruined the experience for me of an otherwise good comic.

And that's Dark Horse. How deep would the rabbit hole go if we went back and started looking at all the DH comics I wonder?

QuoteTristan Jones also noticed the background from that terrible looking scene in Alien #1 was also ripped:

https://twitter.com/tyrannojones/status/1373256996699348993

Wow.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: judge death on Mar 20, 2021, 04:30:04 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 20, 2021, 01:54:00 PM
A lot of the Star Wars comics are also filled with this kind of lazy tracing - by and large that fanbase just doesn't seem to notice (or care) as much, I guess.

This disgusts me so much here, and the person I really feel for is writer Phillip Kennedy Johnson. Every interview I've heard with him has been great. I'm incredibly interested in his ideas, his interpretation and take on the Alien universe, and where this comic seems to be going. But the art is just such an incredibly major turnoff; I can't even imagine being in his shoes, and being paired with this. :-X
Star wars fans who know the lore and cared and is long time fans dislike marvels star wars comics for a reason, pretty much same we have with the oncoming aliens comics. Plus they have been tracing and copying and stealing fan art for their comics for years so its nothing new :P Its how marvel operate and disney deep diving and throwing out products to sell asap, they f**ked up with star wars and now with mandalorian etc, they will do the same with aliens, trust me.

For the story writer: I dont know, him makign this species/xeno chick gerrigan copy and then having the hammerpede and prometheus stuff into the story sounds to me like someone who dont know the lore on the deep level but just seen the movies and got tow rite a script, so far Im not impressed by the story and throwing in whatever in the story as he seem fit.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 20, 2021, 04:40:24 PM
Quote from: judge death on Mar 20, 2021, 04:30:04 PM
For the story writer: I dont know, him makign this species/xeno chick gerrigan copy and then having the hammerpede and prometheus stuff into the story sounds to me like someone who dont know the lore on the deep level but just seen the movies and got tow rite a script, so far Im not impressed by the story and throwing in whatever in the story as he seem fit.

Eh. Lore is kinda neither here nor there for me. If it suits the story that he's trying to tell, and the story is well told, then I say have at it with that stuff. I'm not one to get too hung up on continuity and the like.

The "art" and presentation here is a much bigger concern to me than any lore issues.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: judge death on Mar 20, 2021, 04:52:38 PM
To me its just as important as the art :P Else alien is just a monster you can do whatever you want with and not care for what been shown before, if theres no lore and rules for it then well I can make xenomorph suddenly mutate into xeno vampires that on the day looks like humans and on the night becomes xenomorphs and explain it by: ehm they got bitten by vampires so they are xeno vampires now xD Alien is just a mean of telling a story.

Thats why lore is important to me so the xenos behave and adapt and work as they intend to and not become whatever fantasy a writer wants them to be.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 20, 2021, 05:51:42 PM
Well, Planet of the Vampires was pretty sweet. 8)
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Mar 20, 2021, 06:50:48 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 20, 2021, 05:51:42 PM
Well, Planet of the Vampires was pretty sweet. 8)

Is it normal for the first half hour of Alien to be similar to that cult movie?  :laugh:
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 20, 2021, 06:55:47 PM
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Mar 20, 2021, 06:50:48 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 20, 2021, 05:51:42 PM
Well, Planet of the Vampires was pretty sweet. 8)

Is it normal for the first half hour of Alien to be similar to that cult movie?  :laugh:

Don't get me started on Prometheus' space suits. ;)
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: judge death on Mar 20, 2021, 07:10:24 PM
hahahaha xD
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: PAS Spinelli on Mar 20, 2021, 09:30:15 PM
The only way I'll ever read this series
(https://i.makeagif.com/media/10-02-2015/PCZJw7.gif)

Just kidding, no way I'm reading this shit lol
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: RidgeTop on Mar 21, 2021, 02:25:40 PM
Courtesy of SizzyBubbles.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ew9g6b6VEAEUQvL?format=jpg&name=900x900)
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: SM on Mar 21, 2021, 08:03:20 PM
 :laugh:
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: [cancerblack] on Mar 21, 2021, 09:02:50 PM
Sizzy's pulling out some really good bantz lately.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: SM on Mar 21, 2021, 10:53:51 PM
I'm torn on this - I don't want to judge the final product without at least seeing what the story is like, but geez they're making it fecking difficult to get on board.

Might have to sneak in a buy a copy at my local comic shop while Tristan's at lunch...
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: RidgeTop on Mar 22, 2021, 01:03:15 AM
Quote from: SM on Mar 21, 2021, 10:53:51 PM
I'm torn on this - I don't want to judge the final product without at least seeing what the story is like, but geez they're making it fecking difficult to get on board.

Might have to sneak in a buy a copy at my local comic shop while Tristan's at lunch...

I'm also torn, as maddening as this issue is as an artist, I still want to go in with an open mind and give the comic a chance regardless.

Nice take here by Michael Scudieri:

https://michaelscudieri.com/ash-a-fan-fiction-web-comic/blog/marvel-and-photoshop?fbclid=IwAR14V0_asATxaIYk9Kmf_zzSMY8jLAPXGDIE06mAyG3kuUp1Zyuy1LRCMcY

Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Stitch on Mar 22, 2021, 01:07:24 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 19, 2021, 08:22:43 PM
https://www.syfy.com/syfywire/preview-marvel-comics-alien-1

5 page preview.
I really dislike that artwork. It looks... Not cheap, but lacklustre? As if there's no heart in it.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: [cancerblack] on Mar 22, 2021, 01:28:45 AM
Quote from: SM on Mar 19, 2021, 09:50:48 PM
Quote from: Trash Queen on Mar 19, 2021, 12:06:34 PM
Reminds me of a Locusta piece, but I don't think it's traced.

Ah yes, that's what it reminded me of.

Mostly the colour choices, I reckon.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: judge death on Mar 22, 2021, 01:50:18 AM
Quote from: PAS Spinelli on Mar 20, 2021, 09:30:15 PM
The only way I'll ever read this series
https://i.makeagif.com/media/10-02-2015/PCZJw7.gif

Just kidding, no way I'm reading this shit lol
This is how I will do it, after I read reviews and detailed info about the story and what happens and what more marvel might screw up, there is no way I will give them my money at the moment.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: HuDaFuK on Mar 22, 2021, 02:50:01 PM
There was a lot of bashing of Marvel getting the licence straight off the bat.

I really wanted to give them the benefit of the doubt, at least until we'd actually got some product from them, but man it feels like they're just taking the piss at every turn.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: SizzyBubbles on Mar 22, 2021, 08:49:40 PM
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Mar 21, 2021, 09:02:50 PM
Sizzy's pulling out some really good bantz lately.
Quote from: RidgeTop on Mar 21, 2021, 02:25:40 PM
Courtesy of SizzyBubbles.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ew9g6b6VEAEUQvL?format=jpg&name=900x900

Hahahahaa thank you  ;D

...and those photoshopped alien comparisons... yikes. just YIKES.

Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Xiggz456 on Mar 22, 2021, 10:07:53 PM
I mean I kind of consider myself somewhat of a super fan when it comes to these franchises like I'm a literal fiend for new content so yes I'll be buying every issue because that's how I do with my favorite franchise. It's pretty obvious that Larocca uses photoshop filters over actual photos but he still has to arrange the compositions in a way that still tells the story. It's digital art and it's still done to a degree that shows an absolute expertise of the programs he uses (at least in regards to his 50 issue SW run). Whether one accepts that as appropriate for comics is entirely subjective but that's for each individual to decide on their own. I support everyone's decision to do what they think is right. Thanks for coming to my Ted Talk lol
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Ultramorph on Mar 22, 2021, 10:12:48 PM
Via Johnson on Twitter (in a convo with Tristan actually)
Spoiler
https://twitter.com/phillipkjohnson/status/1374119216815738882?s=21 (https://twitter.com/phillipkjohnson/status/1374119216815738882?s=21)

" Don't sweat the hybrid or any other conflicts you see in the pp2-3 spread, it'a just a character's recurring dream and we don't know what it means yet. I should have expected fans to rightfully worry about shark-jumping, but the story's very much in the style of the early films."

I'll actually be a lot less interested if that character is just a dream TBH.
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Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 22, 2021, 10:22:26 PM
Good to hear it, idea's trash and only belongs in a dream, so thank you for the clarification.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: judge death on Mar 22, 2021, 10:36:23 PM
For once some good news, at least for the story and lore part, so far. :)
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: SuperiorIronman on Mar 22, 2021, 11:09:26 PM
The whole thing being a dream sequence doesn't make the art better, it's just an in story justification for Larroca to be bad at his job. There are tons of artists (like a certain artist on this site) who would do incredible work with the idea of a horde of Aliens rushing someone in a dream sequence.

Instead on top of everything Larroca just had them all posing. It's not only bad art, it's also boring.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: SizzyBubbles on Mar 22, 2021, 11:36:30 PM
(https://scontent-den4-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/164061243_10158278832963391_7580207351620795523_n.jpg?_nc_cat=109&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=dbeb18&_nc_ohc=0ppYbZuYevYAX-F8t2I&_nc_ht=scontent-den4-1.xx&oh=7c0b98f8cb23629cb46534b83dd6878e&oe=607DA3C6)

Now with 100% more lens flare.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: RidgeTop on Mar 22, 2021, 11:42:35 PM
I guess dream sequences shouldn't have slammin' art? Because...

(https://i.imgur.com/WORtRT2.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/6apzJ6u.jpg)

Quote from: judge death on Mar 22, 2021, 10:36:23 PM
For once some good news, at least for the story and lore part, so far. :)

Not good news for Hicks, I think he was pretty stoked to see some some 'bug-woman.'
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 23, 2021, 12:41:06 AM
I kind of hope that she does have some basis in reality, to be honest.

Assuming that this being is something like Sil from Species that is embedded within a transmission with the intention of bonding with human DNA to create a humanoid form that intends to f**k its way through humanity, reproduce and populate the Earth, and take over feels very much like a bio-weapon that the Engineers would attempt to use.

I'm not 100% sold on the design here, but the idea has a lot of potential (in the realm of comic books) and makes me wish that the art itself was better.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Ultramorph on Mar 23, 2021, 12:43:00 AM
Yeah, I really want her to be real. If it's a dream, throwing the Hammerpede in there is basically taking a piss on the prequels, which is something I'd very much hate.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 23, 2021, 12:49:52 AM
Quote from: Ultramorph on Mar 23, 2021, 12:43:00 AM
Yeah, I really want her to be real. If it's a dream, throwing the Hammerpede in there is basically taking a piss on the prequels, which is something I'd very much hate.

The Hammerpede's appearance is one of the things that does place the dream in "reality" in some way, for me - either this character is remembering these things, or the Sil-esque figure is based in reality and somehow "invading" his mind and as such he can see what is around her, Hammerpedes included.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: SM on Mar 23, 2021, 01:14:59 AM
Sounds like damage control.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: SuperiorIronman on Mar 23, 2021, 01:16:26 AM
Quote from: SM on Mar 23, 2021, 01:14:59 AM
Sounds like damage control.

This.

It's just bad art trying to justify itself because it's a dream sequence.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 23, 2021, 01:20:11 AM
IMO, it's the quality of art that needs damage control more than the Sil-thing. :D
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: SM on Mar 23, 2021, 01:33:17 AM
Reckon.  I don't mind the 'Alpha' (seems odd that it has a name if it's just some dream figment) as long as it has some context that fits.  It's not hard to think it's some black-goo mutation.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 23, 2021, 01:38:48 AM
I wouldn't be shocked if the 'Alpha' is a reoccurring dream in the first six issues (since Phillip K. Johnson keeps referring to this first arc as skewing close in tone/style to Alien and Aliens) but maybe with issue seven or so, once we hit the second arc, we might see something a bit more Prometheus/Covenant with the Alpha and the pathogen entering into the story in a more literal way. Johnson did mention in an interview a while ago that he was very inspired by a lot of Giger's non-Alien art, so there might be more than just this Alpha being at play.

Only time will tell.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Mar 23, 2021, 02:40:11 AM
(https://s4.gifyu.com/images/giphy641a8214a73e4cec.gif)
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: HuDaFuK on Mar 23, 2021, 09:53:45 AM
Quote from: SM on Mar 23, 2021, 01:33:17 AMReckon.  I don't mind the 'Alpha' (seems odd that it has a name if it's just some dream figment) as long as it has some context that fits.  It's not hard to think it's some black-goo mutation.

Yeah, this.

I don't have a problem with them trying out some newfangled Alien-hybrid - it's not like Dark Horse never dabbled in that area. The art issues are comfortably the bigger problem.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: judge death on Mar 23, 2021, 10:55:33 AM
Feel free to say which dark horse story had a humanoid woman/xeno hybrid in it? I know of two stories where they made new xeno type:
1: the alien king from a human scientist who artificiually made it and royal jelly, the xenomorphs killed it and never let it in or lead them, to them it was a enemy.
2 avp story where these white xenomorph which also was created but didnt look human but a new xeno style creature which the true xenomorphs also sees as a enemy and took it out.

In dark horse stories the true xenos bever accept these hybrids/experiments and killed them very soon and was inferiour to the xenomorph, not allowing those to become leader or part of them. Which is why I cant see the xenos now accepting a sil/ humanoid xeno chick into the ranks and hell even lead them? They would kill it. The true leaders of the xenos is either their queens or the queen mother as seen in earth war series.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: 426Buddy on Mar 23, 2021, 11:07:48 AM
I take it you never read Aliens: Colonial Marines? The old 10 issue series not the game tie-in.

Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Kradan on Mar 23, 2021, 11:24:43 AM
Does Aliens: Purge count ? I mean, yeah technically she is a synth but she looks like a woman and has strength and abilities of a xeno

(https://argocitycomics.files.wordpress.com/2017/10/480x360bb.jpg)
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: HuDaFuK on Mar 23, 2021, 11:32:03 AM
Quote from: judge death on Mar 23, 2021, 10:55:33 AMFeel free to say which dark horse story had a humanoid woman/xeno hybrid in it?

You literally just listed several examples of DH toying around with hybrids yourself. What does the fact this new one looks a bit like a woman have to do with anything?

Quote from: judge death on Mar 23, 2021, 10:55:33 AMIn dark horse stories the true xenos bever accept these hybrids/experiments and killed them very soon and was inferiour to the xenomorph, not allowing those to become leader or part of them. Which is why I cant see the xenos now accepting a sil/ humanoid xeno chick into the ranks and hell even lead them? They would kill it. The true leaders of the xenos is either their queens or the queen mother as seen in earth war series.

Have you considered the fact that, just maybe, the new story might explain what is going on here?
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: judge death on Mar 23, 2021, 11:36:12 AM
Long time ago, will retead it when I get back home, have some memory of some humans getting in contact with royal jelly and mutates to not xenos but hostile creatures, will reread and come back but no memory of them becoming sil like creatures.

Correct syntethic made with xenomorph materials and was at best left alone but later had to fixt the xenos, gonna reread it when I get back home, bbedn a year since last time.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: 426Buddy on Mar 23, 2021, 11:47:25 AM
They were literally bug men, human/xeno hybrids.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: SM on Mar 23, 2021, 12:05:41 PM
They made a whole movie about a human woman/ xeno hybrid.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: 426Buddy on Mar 23, 2021, 12:11:58 PM
 :laugh:
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Kradan on Mar 23, 2021, 12:14:14 PM
Quote from: SM on Mar 23, 2021, 12:05:41 PM
They made a whole movie about a human woman/ xeno hybrid.

But it wasn't by DH so no
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: SM on Mar 23, 2021, 12:33:19 PM
They did a comic too.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: judge death on Mar 23, 2021, 12:34:01 PM
Haha true :p But wouldnt say it was in the same style as what we seen here and much more sil like, and ripley didnt walk around leading the xenos but was chased by them for the most part. :)

Hudafuk: my point is that those looked more like true xenomorphs and less like sil and was designed to be better and lead/rival the xenos, the alien king was designed for that but the queen alien defeated it, same for the other which shows to me a hybrid wouldnt be a leader for them. From what it looked like this sil was leading the xeno horde which goes against it and looking far different than the hybrids made earlier. Okay not impossible to do I guess in the story with pathogen and royal jelly but that the xenos would see it as their leader is my grip. But now it seems its a dream and a fantasy so not worth thinking more on and wait and see how the story go and how the writer explains things on the established lore and orevious knowledge of hybrids :p

Buddy: alright, will check when home :)

Ps hate writing on phones -.-
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Mar 23, 2021, 01:03:02 PM
Quote from: judge death on Mar 23, 2021, 12:34:01 PM
Haha true :p But wouldnt say it was in the same style as what we seen here and much more sil like, and ripley didnt walk around leading the xenos but was chased by them for the most part. :)

Yeah, you get it.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Mar 23, 2021, 01:26:17 PM
63 thread pages before the first issue hit has to be a record...
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: 426Buddy on Mar 23, 2021, 04:01:41 PM
Yeah I'm sure this is going sell like hotcakes when it gets released. Marvel will have no reason to change their practices.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 23, 2021, 04:14:15 PM
Yeah and each and every one of the Dark Horse "xeno hybrids" also sucked.

It's absolutely beyond me why anyone might want this to be real, in terms of being within the Alien fiction, not outside that obviously.

Like it's fanfiction tier garbage on a conceptual level alone.

Whether the art's just perfect or entirely plagarism makes no difference in this regard.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: SuperiorIronman on Mar 23, 2021, 05:00:59 PM
The thing is Hybrids can be cool. I mean they're all hybrids but being a bit more on the nose about it like the Runner and Predalien have proved to endure so they're not all terrible. I think the problem here though is that beyond bad art it's just here to be artsy. A bug women who exists in dreams with bad art can't convey the proper unease and horror our character and audience needs to feel, and without it being real it can't serve a narrative function beyond it being a dream. It can inform our character but that's banking on who or what this is paying off.

It's very indicative of the early script for Requiem and the FX people wondering why you'd have this hybrid to do next to nothing with it. Like if it's not here to be anything more than inconsequential in the grand scheme of things it makes you wonder why they'd bother.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Mar 23, 2021, 05:13:00 PM
Quote from: 426Buddy on Mar 23, 2021, 04:01:41 PM
Yeah I'm sure this is going sell like hotcakes when it gets released. Marvel will have no reason to change their practices.

Well this thread is more indicative of how heated we get about bendy inner jaws, bad artwork, and tracing and art reference controversies...

...but with that said I do feel issue #1 will sell very well regardless of the quality. Just Alien's first comic with Marvel makes it a collector's target!
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 23, 2021, 05:38:54 PM
I agree the Drone's what you get with an Alien and human, the Runner's what you get with an Alien and animal, the PredAlien's what you get with an Alien and Predator, they all have an obvious trajectory, even if we do not quite understand every aspect.

I also do not see in any way that this comes across as something the Engineers or humanity might create.

We know Ridley Scott's understanding on it's influenced by our real world, and in that respect as he often likes to say, The Pathogen's got a logic to it of clearing out the meat as fast as possible and then die out so things can start again in a way the Alien does not.

I believe David's the one that instituted the Alien having black skin and something evocative of biomechanical beginnings, The Pathogen's always produces the opposite, white skin and nothing biomechanical present.

But even if that's revealed not to be the case, the fact the Alien's a rapist's part of the focal point of it's identity with or without a creator's influence, able to spread farther through longer incubation periods, self sustain, and then stay dormant waiting for anything that's not itself to find it again in essence farming anywhere it's able to take over completely.

The Alien and The Pathogen exist as fundamentally unique from each other in this way, related in that one comes from the other, but the latter does not carry all the features of the former that much's clear.

So just applying the features of the Alien to anything you want, arbitrarily through the Pathogen's just lazy at best, and a total misunderstanding of the core at each's function. 
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: [cancerblack] on Mar 23, 2021, 08:31:32 PM
Respectfully disagree. I'm fine with rule-of-cool nonsense.


With the caveat that it actually is cool.


Which in this case would require much more creative art.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: judge death on Mar 23, 2021, 08:37:27 PM
Bravo and well said queeny :D The more we write the more I realise we share same thinking of the lore and how we see the xenomorph and the franchise work.

One could in theory say all xenomorphs are hybrids but I would rather say: they are xenomorphs that take traits and adapt by taking the best from the host they come from, but its still a xenomorph and they all have: the dome/long ehad, inenr jaw, tail, xeno look/biomechanical one, no eyes, acid for blood etc. While the royal line: queens and preatorians dont take traits and is pure, this is where I disagree with marvels idea of if you breed xenos with the same host they will change and become more human and develop into a new species.....So after a while the xenomorphs cease to exist, okay? While like trash queen said and most games and books and anchorpointessays(who remembers that site?) the queens dotn evolve and remains the same, same for any drone/warrior that grows to become a queen: loses all host traits and becomes a pure xenomorph queen, making sure the xenomorph line keeps going.

If we wasnt so hardcore fans and ask any movie watcher they would struggle to tell which xenomorph version these are(if we ignore the titles):
(https://anakin022.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/alienresurrection7.jpg)
(https://i.etsystatic.com/11811092/r/il/a4a6cc/1544954312/il_570xN.1544954312_py0a.jpg)

same for predalien, its basicly a xenomorph thats slightly bigger and have the mandibles but else its built and behaves and have same features as a normal xenomorph.
(ignoring the avp movies)

But I see why some love the idea of hybrids, it opens the door to new and exciting things and can go in new directions, funny thing is most xenomorph fans who make furry charachters make their xenomorphs more human than xenomorph and add genitals etc, kinda goes against the idea of xenomorphs but I see why some like going towards a more human aproach :P

I gotta say alien marines fireteam game and heck even colonial marines got the aliens designs right, coming from other hosts and being new types, they still have the xenomorph look and design to them and dont stand out like the sil creature.

But we might see later how she fits into the marvel story.
If this marvel run is expanded universe and not canon then I can easily look past any new stuff marvel does but from what In read this is canon material and then I will be nippicking as Im someone who cares deeply of previous lore and knowledge from all sources. :P

Immortan jones:Im bad at sarcasm but okay.

426buddy: reread the comic and youre right and now I remember why I didnt remember it too well and that I disliked it when I read it in the past, okay these hybrids didnt look much like xenomorphs but more insect like and was thinking and acting like humans, and the xenos obeying them and even mind controlled by one of these hybrids, dark horse screwed up there in my eyes and dislike it to this day, makes the xenomorphs look weaker when hybrids and humanoids are superiour to the xeno, but I say like thrash queen: it sucks. But it seems its not canon and more expanded universe thing. But you were right, glad we didnt get more of it.
I alos dislike the royal jelly and how its a plotdevice to make whatever a writer wants to in the story: make a new xeno type: royal jelly. Makes it too simple and dumb for my taste, but it has its fans :P

Also reread purge: this one made more sense as she is a android and was silicon based like xenos and the scientist managed to make her by altering an egg but she is still an android and not so much a hybrid, and the xenomorphs dont obey her but see her more like a part of the colony, not until the marines killed their queen they helped her to get revenge but not commanded by her.

Well time will tell, will keep my eyes open and see, like I said: if this comic series is canon then I will be very hard toward it and not like changes to what is established already, if its not canon and its own thing: then I wont mind it too much, might dislike making xenomorphs to develop and becoming into these humanoid xenos or whereever the story might go but as its its own thing I can let it slide :P
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: SM on Mar 23, 2021, 09:13:07 PM
Aliens aren't silicon based.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: judge death on Mar 23, 2021, 09:23:03 PM
Quote from: SM on Mar 23, 2021, 09:13:07 PM
Aliens aren't silicon based.
Was going after what they said in purge when I wrote it, the scientist said: silicon polymid based, but it might very well be wrong. :)
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 24, 2021, 03:01:07 AM
The way I see things, any comic (or book, for that matter) can be overwritten by the next movie anyways (and while we're at it, any movie can be overwritten by the next movie to some extent or another).

I have no problem with the comics playing fast and loose with the rules and the lore, so long as what's done is interesting.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Mar 24, 2021, 03:15:07 AM
People see what they want to see, sometimes even in poetic and elegant ways. But it's an interesting concept, with potential, poorly executed in the past.

Quote from: judge death on Mar 23, 2021, 08:37:27 PM
Immortan jones:Im bad at sarcasm but okay.

(https://s4.gifyu.com/images/52wqyd.gif)
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Sabres21768 on Mar 24, 2021, 04:52:16 AM
Quote from: Stitch on Mar 22, 2021, 01:07:24 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 19, 2021, 08:22:43 PM
https://www.syfy.com/syfywire/preview-marvel-comics-alien-1

5 page preview.
I really dislike that artwork. It looks... Not cheap, but lacklustre? As if there's no heart in it.
I've seen MUCH worse from some Dark Horse artists drawing Aliens.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Russ840 on Mar 24, 2021, 08:23:16 AM
Ok. So I quiet enjoyed this. Anyone worried about it not being adult enough should be appeased.

I am really interested now and am looking forward to finding out what's going on.

Ignoring the fact that there is tracing going on, the art really works. It feels cinematic.

Spoiler
Little light on the Alien though.
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Beyond that I have no criticism, yet. I need to re read it.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: RidgeTop on Mar 24, 2021, 08:57:01 AM
Quote from: SM on Mar 23, 2021, 09:13:07 PM
Aliens aren't silicon based.

I noticed recently regarding the Xenomorphs and silicone that the Weyland Yutani Archives of the AVPR blu-ray touches on this: (not that this should be taken as canon)

"A silicon-based shell, similar to the exoskeletons of many insect species combined with a mammal-like endoskeleton, researches have dubbed this outer structure a mesoskeleton"

Another entry in the archives section just says "silicon-based life form."

So perhaps their outer body is, this would be in line with what Ash says in the novelization about the facehugger being both carbon and silicone and replacing its outer layer with silicone.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Mar 24, 2021, 10:03:21 AM
Available on Comixology now btw.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: RidgeTop on Mar 24, 2021, 10:07:15 AM
Ok so this is... interesting.

Apparently Salvador Larroca used himself as reference for the main character:

(https://i.imgur.com/7HvsHN8.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/lIgQu0G.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/6XuurlG.png)

Not the first time he's put himself in a comic either, he did it in Star Wars:

(https://i.imgur.com/C8iBJKx.png)

"That's why I said, for two vignettes I put myself. It was something functional to get out of trouble. But it turned out that he was the main villain in the collection, which was a surprise to me as well."
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Russ840 on Mar 24, 2021, 11:20:53 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 24, 2021, 10:03:21 AM
Available on Comixology now btw.

Have you read it ?

It's pretty good
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: drsmuts on Mar 24, 2021, 12:28:34 PM
Quite enjoyed it. Not bad.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: 426Buddy on Mar 24, 2021, 12:37:53 PM
Quote from: Sabres21768 on Mar 24, 2021, 04:52:16 AM
Quote from: Stitch on Mar 22, 2021, 01:07:24 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 19, 2021, 08:22:43 PM
https://www.syfy.com/syfywire/preview-marvel-comics-alien-1

5 page preview.
I really dislike that artwork. It looks... Not cheap, but lacklustre? As if there's no heart in it.
I've seen MUCH worse from some Dark Horse artists drawing Aliens.

I'll take Sam Keith again over traced action figures and stolen art.

It has come out that it happened at DH too, on Alien TOS and Aliens Fire & Stone for sure. But I don't know any other examples. With Marvel it's been just too much to keep me interested anymore.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: SiL on Mar 24, 2021, 12:53:47 PM
They're not even dynamic poses. Take a photo, cut the limbs and joints, reposition them into something not so damn stiff. Alien Loves Predator put more effort in.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 24, 2021, 01:07:42 PM
Sam Keith's work on Inhuman Condition is genuinely great and I will die standing on this soapbox.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Mar 24, 2021, 02:14:15 PM
Going in with trepidation I read Alien #1. And so far, I am thoroughly invested. Yep, I enjoyed it. It was a very good first read, even with the art issues justifiably criticized throughout this thread. I especially enjoyed the main family dynamic here. It felt real. So I am definitely looking forward to issue #2, even though... after weeks of reading this thread, I felt like I needed a shower afterwards. :-\
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Kradan on Mar 24, 2021, 02:20:09 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 24, 2021, 01:07:42 PM
Sam Keith's work on Inhuman Condition is genuinely great and I will die standing on this soapbox.

(https://j.gifs.com/vnpME9.gif)
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Russ840 on Mar 24, 2021, 02:49:32 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Mar 24, 2021, 02:14:15 PM
Going in with trepidation I read Alien #1. And so far, I am thoroughly invested. Yep, I enjoyed it. It was a very good first read, even with the art issues justifiably criticized throughout this thread. I especially enjoyed the main family dynamic here. It felt real. So I am definitely looking forward to issue #2, even though... after weeks of reading this thread, I felt like I needed a shower afterwards. :-\

It really put to bed the worries as to whether or not it would graphic/violent/adult enough, don't you think.

Im with you on it.  I really felt like I was reading quality and am onboard.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 24, 2021, 03:26:26 PM
Adapt the written portion into a book then or something that doesn't make me sick looking at it.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: HuDaFuK on Mar 24, 2021, 03:30:34 PM
Glad to hear this is being received quite positively after/in spite of all the bullshit.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 24, 2021, 03:36:06 PM
I almost spitefully wish failure upon it as a lesson, but in truth I do respect the writer and wish him the utmost success, but art's more than half this medium in my opinion.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: SpaceKase on Mar 24, 2021, 04:56:17 PM
Quote from: Kradan on Mar 24, 2021, 02:20:09 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 24, 2021, 01:07:42 PM
Sam Keith's work on Inhuman Condition is genuinely great and I will die standing on this soapbox.

https://j.gifs.com/vnpME9.gif

Eiffel Tower!
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: PAS Spinelli on Mar 24, 2021, 05:20:17 PM
Spoiler
(https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/816573701213388850/824330742389014568/03.png?width=881&height=677)
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I'm not sure what is worse, the art, or the fact this is a "prophecy" dream that will probably come true later
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 24, 2021, 06:16:14 PM
Seemed more like an extension of a memory taking on a certain life in his head rather than a literal prophecy to me when I read it.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Mr.Turok on Mar 24, 2021, 06:28:43 PM
Facial expressions and line of action is very stiff. While the art needs work, the writing is great and I can't wait to see more of it.

My issue is now is that Species looking "Goddess". Its too early to say what this new character will do in this run but a part of me wished we had the Queen Mother, since she pretty much fulfills this idea of a superior overlord that can induce nightmare dreams and control aliens through space. Despite this, I'm curious to see where this character will go and how this will affect the series overall.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: SM on Mar 24, 2021, 08:01:10 PM
QuoteI'll take Sam Keith again over traced action figures and stolen art.

There's a line.
Title: Re: Marvel\\\'s First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Xiggz456 on Mar 24, 2021, 08:05:33 PM
Just read it and so far I'm excited to see where this narrative goes as there was a lot of set up in this issue that I'm dying to find out more of! Solid issue and looking forward to the next one!


Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Mar 24, 2021, 02:14:15 PM
Going in with trepidation I read Alien #1. And so far, I am thoroughly invested. Yep, I enjoyed it. It was a very good first read, even with the art issues justifiably criticized throughout this thread. I especially enjoyed the main family dynamic here. It felt real. So I am definitely looking forward to issue #2, even though... after weeks of reading this thread, I felt like I needed a shower afterwards. :-\

The family dynamic was very well done and I loved that cliffhanger!

Spoiler
Also liked seeing futuristic suburbs for the first time  :laugh:
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Quote from: Russ840 on Mar 24, 2021, 02:49:32 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Mar 24, 2021, 02:14:15 PM
Going in with trepidation I read Alien #1. And so far, I am thoroughly invested. Yep, I enjoyed it. It was a very good first read, even with the art issues justifiably criticized throughout this thread. I especially enjoyed the main family dynamic here. It felt real. So I am definitely looking forward to issue #2, even though... after weeks of reading this thread, I felt like I needed a shower afterwards. :-\

It really put to bed the worries as to whether or not it would graphic/violent/adult enough, don't you think.

Im with you on it.  I really felt like I was reading quality and am onboard.

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When the anti-coporate extremists blew that chick's head off  :o I loved the dialogue right before also where she's just talking about how she can't wait to go shopping at a grocery store! So mundane and then BLAM! Loved it!
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Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: SuperiorIronman on Mar 24, 2021, 08:58:20 PM
It's mediocre.
The art is an immense turn off where when the Aliens look bad, the Humans are stiff, and at one point Bishop looked like he was melting. I'd imagine Larroca got the face from a different image of Lance Henriksen and didn't adjust it to the head. Speaking of which Larroca self-inserted himself as Cruz and ugh.

The story feels very much like it's being written for the trade. We establish everything we need to know about Cruz and barring I think one example we know as much about him as the press material gave. It could be expanded upon later but to me this feels more like you could potentially skip it once the second issue drops. It's also very bold of them that the bad press surrounding the book has seemingly spoiled the reveal of this book's villain. The Alpha being in a dream sequence here but turns out to be real later. I might be wrong but I'm almost positive that's what's going to go down. The book takes place after Alien 3 (someone correct me if I'm wrong) and this is the company trying to recreate the Xenomorph and the Alpha is the first attempt at cloning Ripley. I'm almost positive that's the case.

It gets a C- from me as the art sucks and while the script is alright it's not fantastic, at best I can describe it as being decent. I'd be interested to see how it sold but since I'm on a few sites I've seen nothing beyond Alien or Predator sites even talk about this and largely being the bad press. It's gonna get at best 6 issues.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: PAS Spinelli on Mar 24, 2021, 09:05:41 PM
if the art was more in line with the first Aliens comic I feel like I'd like this way more
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 24, 2021, 09:08:25 PM
"If this thing was completely different I'd like it a lot more."
Title: Re: Marvel\\\'s First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: SpaceKase on Mar 24, 2021, 09:11:33 PM
Man, what's with the Pro-Corporate Anti-United Americas vibe? Weyland Yutani as the good guys...? You guys think the series is going to stick with this sentiment because it would certainly be disturbing and at odds with like 40 years of story telling. Kind of like sitting down sitting down to a Captain America movie and suddenly having Cap be the bad guy and the narrative of the film telling us that Hydra and the Red Skull were in the right all along. Egads.

Quote from: Xiggz456 on Mar 24, 2021, 08:05:33 PM

The family dynamic was very well done and I loved that cliffhanger!

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Also liked seeing futuristic suburbs for the first time  :laugh:
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lol, spoilers? I'll play along.
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Didn't we kinda see this before with Likowski's apartment from the first series back in 1988?
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Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Xiggz456 on Mar 24, 2021, 09:21:02 PM
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Apartments aren't suburbs  ;)
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Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Xenomrph on Mar 24, 2021, 09:21:23 PM
So I read a spoiler that
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the info dump page at the start of the issue ignores everything except 'Alien' and 'Aliens'?
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Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 24, 2021, 09:25:05 PM
Quote from: SpaceKase on Mar 24, 2021, 09:11:36 PM
Man, what's with the Pro-Corporate Anti-United Americas vibe? Weyland Yutani as the good guys...? You guys think the series is going to stick with this sentiment because it would certainly be disturbing and at odds with like 40 years of story telling.

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/1a/35/c5/1a35c5886797043b8f144055dd3ca5f2.jpg)

Put all your faith in us- a corporation- Don't worry!
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Hail W-Y
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Title: Re: Marvel\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\'s First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Mar 24, 2021, 09:35:43 PM
Quote from: SpaceKase on Mar 24, 2021, 09:11:33 PM
Man, what's with the Pro-Corporate Anti-United Americas vibe? Weyland Yutani as the good guys...? You guys think the series is going to stick with this sentiment because it would certainly be disturbing and at odds with like 40 years of story telling. Kind of like sitting down sitting down to a Captain America movie and suddenly having Cap be the bad guy and the narrative of the film telling us that Hydra and the Red Skull were in the right all along. Egads.

I wouldn't start throwing the toys out the pram just yet. It's one character's take on it, whereas the others really aren't in that camp. I actually find the approach rather refreshing. The person working for the bad guys, doesn't think they're bad guys.

So it was okay. It's too early to be sold on the narrative yet, but I'm not enamoured to Cruz or anyone at this point. Some really dodgy panels of artwork in there, but wasn't a train-wreck. This is one of those things were I'm always hesitant to comment on an on-going issue because it's like reviewing a book a chapter at a time.


Quote from: Xenomrph on Mar 24, 2021, 09:21:23 PM
So I read a spoiler that
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the info dump page at the start of the issue ignores everything except 'Alien' and 'Aliens'?
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It just mentions them both.


Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 24, 2021, 06:16:14 PM
Seemed more like an extension of a memory taking on a certain life in his head rather than a literal prophecy to me when I read it.

Yeah, I concur there.


Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 24, 2021, 01:07:42 PM
Sam Keith's work on Inhuman Condition is genuinely great and I will die standing on this soapbox.

I'm not sure I'd describe it as genuinely great myself, but it 100% fits the narrative being told and for that it is fantastic.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: SpaceKase on Mar 24, 2021, 09:39:55 PM
Quote from: SuperiorIronman on Mar 24, 2021, 08:58:20 PM
It's also very bold of them that the bad press surrounding the book has seemingly spoiled the reveal of this book's villain.

Or possibly hero...?

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The Alpha being in a dream sequence here but turns out to be real later. I might be wrong but I'm almost positive that's what's going to go down. The book takes place after Alien 3 (someone correct me if I'm wrong) and this is the company trying to recreate the Xenomorph and the Alpha is the first attempt at cloning Ripley. I'm almost positive that's the case.


Right on the money timeline wise, Alien 3 is in 2179, this story is 21 years later, a whole generation since Acheron. That Ripley clone attempt is a fascinating idea, it would sort of make this a prequel to Resurrection if it turned out to be the case.

In all likelihood this is yet another total start-from-scratch reboot, but in the Not Bloody Likely event that they kept this in continuity with the original Verheiden comics, this story would be taking place about 6 or 7 years after the Infestation, selective incineration, and reclamation of Earth, about contemporary with 2009's "More than Human" era.

So the golden age of Alien Cultists thriving in the shadows of society and rampant access to banned xeno-biological materials for corporations to illegally experiment upon. Kinda right on the money era-wise with Kliest and his bugmen too. Though, once again, seriously doubt Marvel would pick up any DH threads, but a girl can dream.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: PAS Spinelli on Mar 24, 2021, 09:42:20 PM
Quote from: Trash Queen on Mar 24, 2021, 09:08:25 PM
"If this thing was completely different I'd like it a lot more."
Yes
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/64/f5/01/64f501db467c44445285591ab8ca8512.jpg)
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 24, 2021, 09:47:55 PM
(https://66.media.tumblr.com/c0565e2a025b71d795ef6270cb47b3ff/tumblr_pwcx7qMCqt1tdkro1o3_500.gifv)
Title: Re: Marvel\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\'s First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: SpaceKase on Mar 24, 2021, 09:49:02 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 24, 2021, 09:35:43 PM
Quote from: SpaceKase on Mar 24, 2021, 09:11:33 PM
Man, what's with the Pro-Corporate Anti-United Americas vibe? Weyland Yutani as the good guys...? You guys think the series is going to stick with this sentiment because it would certainly be disturbing and at odds with like 40 years of story telling. Kind of like sitting down sitting down to a Captain America movie and suddenly having Cap be the bad guy and the narrative of the film telling us that Hydra and the Red Skull were in the right all along. Egads.

I wouldn't start throwing the toys out the pram just yet. It's one character's take on it, whereas the others really aren't in that camp. I actually find the approach rather refreshing. The person working for the bad guys, doesn't think they're bad guys.

So it was okay. It's too early to be sold on the narrative yet, but I'm not enamoured to Cruz or anyone at this point. Some really dodgy panels of artwork in there, but wasn't a train-wreck. This is one of those things were I'm always hesitant to comment on an on-going issue because it's like reviewing a book a chapter at a time.

Too right, set the anticipation clock back to one month again. Man the Cruz family just can't seem to catch a break. Sierra, Jeremy, Lucas, and now this? Emilio's probably still doing alright for himself, the shady well-connected bastard.

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Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 24, 2021, 01:07:42 PM
Sam Keith's work on Inhuman Condition is genuinely great and I will die standing on this soapbox.

I'm not sure I'd describe it as genuinely great myself, but it 100% fits the narrative being told and for that it is fantastic.

Concur there, too.

Quote from: Xiggz456 on Mar 24, 2021, 09:21:02 PM
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Apartments aren't suburbs  ;)
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awww man,
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I live in an apartment in the suburbs, damn you mixed-use zoning!
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Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: PAS Spinelli on Mar 24, 2021, 09:57:58 PM
Quote from: Trash Queen on Mar 24, 2021, 09:47:55 PM
https://66.media.tumblr.com/c0565e2a025b71d795ef6270cb47b3ff/tumblr_pwcx7qMCqt1tdkro1o3_500.gifv
Don't get why you are defending the art tho, it's objectively bad with those traced aliens
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: SiL on Mar 24, 2021, 10:04:34 PM
She's not defending it at all ???
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: SpaceKase on Mar 24, 2021, 10:15:11 PM
Quote from: PAS Spinelli on Mar 24, 2021, 09:57:58 PM
Quote from: Trash Queen on Mar 24, 2021, 09:47:55 PM
https://66.media.tumblr.com/c0565e2a025b71d795ef6270cb47b3ff/tumblr_pwcx7qMCqt1tdkro1o3_500.gifv
Don't get why you are defending the art tho, it's objectively bad with those traced aliens

Well, bad to us, but maybe not for new folks or the less fervent fans out there, obviously good enough to land such a prestigious gig, The valid criticism should definitely be taken up with the editor directly, but on that note, whatever became of the Greg Land controversy, does anyone know? Did the powers that be ever release an official statement in response?
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Xenomrph on Mar 24, 2021, 10:19:29 PM
Unlikely, Greg Land has been pulling that shit for decades without repercussions.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: judge death on Mar 24, 2021, 10:47:16 PM
Mostly positive responses and story sounds like its decent, after what I heard about the writer it should be the case, but yeah the tracing and what one of the previous users wrote seem to make it mixed, but doing this aproach like with star wars will ensure stunning art for those not as picky. :P

Will have to wait myself as no swedish shop sells those, and find it more enjoyable to have the complete volume in one go, then I can wait and see how well it does and if its for me or not before buying.^^
SM: did you manage to sneak out and get the comic while tristian was on lunch break? :P

Like the ideas spacekase put forward would be much fun seeing such clues left in, alien cultists,earth overrun etc but highly doubt it.

did we get to see mutated xenos/new species of xenomorphs that marvel released would be their focus on and explanations on it like the snake eye inner jaw, and the idea of several generations of later xenomorphs that changed and everything else marvel teased us with? Alpha was for now a dream I take it from the sound of things or did we get clues in the comic of explanation to the alpha or its too early? Seeing queen mother would be awesome to be fair and indeed she do the same thing with mind controling, contacting xenos through space etc :D
Its how they explain the xenos and the alpha that will make or break it for myself, if they have a good explanation storywise like it being a ripley 8 clone but failed one, would explain the eyes and the not xeno look, or anything on level with what we had in the past Im onboard.

Hmm they might just have the alpha in the dream for the first run of comics, and depending on how fans take it: have it happen in later on or cancel it and keep it as a dream.

Dont want another covenant experience where something established so well with older fans is thrown out of the window, can now see why 3-4 of my friends who were deep alien fans left the franchise after it was revealed how the movie inclide that David made the xeno, really pissed them off and me holding to my own theory that keeps me sane xD
Can see why older star wars fans who grew up in the 80s hate what they did to the lore in star wars and hate the legends/new canon lore, maybe its a sign of me being old and too formed to what we seen in the past to see it thrown out and changed :P
Gonna start think like the user Nightmare Asylum. :)

Ahh before I forget:
Ridgetop: that is correct, the silicon based part was also mentioned there you say, I saw it mentioned in one book or was it another comic or game, or was it youtube video? Shall check where I saw it mentioned elsewhere and update if I do.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Xeno Black on Mar 24, 2021, 10:48:14 PM
One line stuck out to me

Queen of lepers....

https://avp.fandom.com/wiki/Eloise
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: judge death on Mar 24, 2021, 10:52:00 PM
Quote from: Xeno Black on Mar 24, 2021, 10:48:14 PM
One line stuck out to me

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queen of lepers...

https://avp.fandom.com/wiki/Eloise (https://avp.fandom.com/wiki/Eloise)
Oh, nice find! IF it turns out she is linked to this, then this got a lot more interesting to me :D
Title: Re: Marvel\'s First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: SpaceKase on Mar 24, 2021, 11:05:51 PM
Quote from: Xeno Black on Mar 24, 2021, 10:48:14 PM
One line stuck out

Queen of lepers....

https://avp.fandom.com/wiki/Eloise

Ha, right! Me too.


Quote from: judge death on Mar 24, 2021, 10:52:00 PM
Quote from: Xeno Black on Mar 24, 2021, 10:48:14 PM
One line stuck out to me

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queen of lepers...

https://avp.fandom.com/wiki/Eloise (https://avp.fandom.com/wiki/Eloise)
Oh, nice find! IF it turns out she is linked to this, then this got a lot more interesting to me :D

So sincerely doubt it, but I'm certainly eager to see where this is going.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: SM on Mar 24, 2021, 11:08:59 PM
QuoteSo the golden age of Alien Cultists thriving in the shadows of society and rampant access to banned xeno-biological materials for corporations to illegally experiment upon. Kinda right on the money era-wise with Kliest and his bugmen too. Though, once again, seriously doubt Marvel would pick up any DH threads, but a girl can dream.

Rogue was in 2203 and CM in 2215.

I also doubt Marvel would pick up any old DH stuff, but who knows?
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: SuperiorIronman on Mar 24, 2021, 11:20:33 PM
If Star Wars is anything to go by then they might adapt things from DH but I wouldn't expect any story being a 1:1 transfer unless it was mandated by the I.P holder like Son of Dathomir was for Star Wars. I don't think Alien has any DH comics that hold that kind of weight for Fox so otherwise they would adapt things from DH as Marvel does that as well.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: SpaceKase on Mar 24, 2021, 11:25:01 PM
Quote from: SM on Mar 24, 2021, 11:08:59 PM
QuoteSo the golden age of Alien Cultists thriving in the shadows of society and rampant access to banned xeno-biological materials for corporations to illegally experiment upon. Kinda right on the money era-wise with Kliest and his bugmen too. Though, once again, seriously doubt Marvel would pick up any DH threads, but a girl can dream.

Rogue was in 2203 and CM in 2215.

I also doubt Marvel would pick up any old DH stuff, but who knows?

Right, 2200-2203 same era. 2215 seems a bit far afield though, what lead you to decide to place it there?
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: 426Buddy on Mar 24, 2021, 11:40:09 PM
Quote from: Xeno Black on Mar 24, 2021, 10:48:14 PM
One line stuck out to me

Queen of lepers....

https://avp.fandom.com/wiki/Eloise

Yeah that would play off my nostalgia for sure.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Ultramorph on Mar 24, 2021, 11:50:12 PM
I doubt it, but bringing back Eloise would be a pretty awesome deep cut.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Sabres21768 on Mar 25, 2021, 12:03:20 AM
I loved this first issue.
The only thing I'm not happy about was not finding out what was up with the "hoofed" Alien.  ???
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: SM on Mar 25, 2021, 12:28:16 AM
QuoteSM: did you manage to sneak out and get the comic while tristian was on lunch break?

Don't want to risk it.  Might go digital.

Quote from: SpaceKase on Mar 24, 2021, 11:25:01 PM
Quote from: SM on Mar 24, 2021, 11:08:59 PM
QuoteSo the golden age of Alien Cultists thriving in the shadows of society and rampant access to banned xeno-biological materials for corporations to illegally experiment upon. Kinda right on the money era-wise with Kliest and his bugmen too. Though, once again, seriously doubt Marvel would pick up any DH threads, but a girl can dream.

Rogue was in 2203 and CM in 2215.

I also doubt Marvel would pick up any old DH stuff, but who knows?

Right, 2200-2203 same era. 2215 seems a bit far afield though, what lead you to decide to place it there?

Xeno-Zip is developed in Genocide in 2212.  CM has to happen after that.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: SpaceKase on Mar 25, 2021, 03:15:27 AM
Quote from: SM on Mar 25, 2021, 12:28:16 AM
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Right, 2200-2203 same era. 2215 seems a bit far afield though, what lead you to decide to place it there?

Xeno-Zip is developed in Genocide in 2212.  CM has to happen after that.

Right you are about that Xeno-Zip reference in CM.  But the problem becomes that it makes Carmen Vasquez old as hell for her job. Like 45 or something and she's still never seen combat, a long list of insubordination and screw-ups indeed.

And we don't exactly know when the normal Xeno-Zip was developed, just when the bad batch made it notorious, after the Goodwill Games incident when Neopharm started changing up the formula after the real Royal Jelly from the original formula started running out. The old formula may have been addicting but not necessarily lethal or a miraculous wonder drug as it suddenly became known. Also Kleist begins Rogue talking about commercially available drugs processed from the Royal Jelly and since ZCT and Grant Corporation were explicit competitors engaged in regular corporate espionage with each other, I just assumed normal Xeno-Zip had been around since at least then. So there's little bit of wiggle room for CM to predate Genocide at least, and it solves the Vasquez knowing her sister problem.

Buuuuut I've totally digressed, this is chat for a different thread. Thanks for nerding out with me, sorry for derailing the topic!
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: SM on Mar 25, 2021, 03:19:53 AM
QuoteRight you are about that Xeno-Zip reference in CM.  But the problem becomes that it makes Carmen Vasquez old as hell for her job. Like 45 or something and she's still never seen combat, a long list of insubordination and screw-ups indeed.

'Unusually long hypersleep'.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: SpaceKase on Mar 25, 2021, 03:23:56 AM
Quote from: SM on Mar 25, 2021, 03:19:53 AM
QuoteRight you are about that Xeno-Zip reference in CM.  But the problem becomes that it makes Carmen Vasquez old as hell for her job. Like 45 or something and she's still never seen combat, a long list of insubordination and screw-ups indeed.

'Unusually long hypersleep'.

Ha! Maybe. In the age of Gravity Drive when hypersleep chambers started becoming less necessary maybe they started using it as punishment instead, Demolition Man style. Who needs a brig?
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Huggs on Mar 25, 2021, 04:51:57 AM
Wasn't there a section in one of the novels that talked about malfunctioning hypersleep chambers causing the occupant to become trapped in their own minds for what seemed like a thousand years and come out crazy?
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: SpaceKase on Mar 25, 2021, 06:04:09 AM
Quote from: Huggs on Mar 25, 2021, 04:51:57 AM
Wasn't there a section in one of the novels that talked about malfunctioning hypersleep chambers causing the occupant to become trapped in their own minds for what seemed like a thousand years and come out crazy?

I think it was Predator Incursion by Tim Lebbon, the first book in the Rage War trilogy. Their technology was "suspension pods" and I think they insulate you from the rest of spacetime, to avoid the inverted relativistic effect that happens when your ship transits out of normal space and back again. There's this kinda spacey Bose-Einstein Condensate type of gel you get immersed in, I imagine it's a lot like that Love Death and Robots short "Beyond the Aquila Rift".

By the late 2600's the ftl tech they use is limited distance Jump Points and a pretty slow and costly ftl system that runs on stupidly rare Trimonite. But yeah, you can walk around while in ftl but, if you're human and not suspended during the transition between states, your brain is toast in a lovecraftian existential hell state kinda way.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: SM on Mar 25, 2021, 06:29:28 AM
None of that stuff ever made sense in Rage War.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: SpaceKase on Mar 25, 2021, 06:48:40 AM
Quote from: SM on Mar 25, 2021, 06:29:28 AM
None of that stuff ever made sense in Rage War.

I just chalked it up to another reinvention of the wheel. Some unspecified cataclysm occurred once again, (cause humans are fekkups) between the Resurrection era and the modern era, so comparatively the Trimonite drives are pretty basic af, probably a lot like the first human ftl tech from the mid 21st century. Then there's a reboot and advancement of the old abandoned gate system tech to pick up the slack, which itself was probably only ever in-system when it first developed, ala the gates in Cowboy Beebop. But once Weyland's portable ftl got cheap enough or maybe finally got some decent competition, the gates went the way of the Zepplin.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Delta Echo Alpha Delta on Mar 25, 2021, 07:07:04 AM
Quote from: tyrannosaurusjones on Mar 20, 2021, 03:46:50 AM
I don't know why any of you would pay money to find out after all this. I sure as f**k am not.

The first comic I won't be buying. It's really disappointing all this happening. I had high hopes.

Just glad it's not tied into any canon continuity with the Alien RPG, Titan Alien Books (as far as I know from Into Charybdis) and Aliens Fireteam (if they are going with Olivia Shipp storyline they teased previously).

I also didn't like the outburst Salvador Larocca had with his previous colourist. Had sexist tones.

"My editor already showed these (pages) with a horrible colour, I prefer to show them in black and white, which I prefer indefinitely more. A publisher such as Marvel with so terrible colorists... A woman, in this case."

Article here: https://bleedingcool.com/comics/salvador-larroca-trash-talks-his-colourists/

RUDE
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 25, 2021, 07:42:32 AM
(https://64.media.tumblr.com/07f92838b84e38a6536535d679e0ed1d/tumblr_nuk7qu3Rt61rfolw9o7_400.gif)

Deeply disappointing to see people buying this honestly.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: SM on Mar 25, 2021, 07:52:01 AM
Quote from: SpaceKase on Mar 25, 2021, 06:48:40 AM
Quote from: SM on Mar 25, 2021, 06:29:28 AM
None of that stuff ever made sense in Rage War.

I just chalked it up to another reinvention of the wheel. Some unspecified cataclysm occurred once again, (cause humans are fekkups) between the Resurrection era and the modern era, so comparatively the Trimonite drives are pretty basic af, probably a lot like the first human ftl tech from the mid 21st century. Then there's a reboot and advancement of the old abandoned gate system tech to pick up the slack, which itself was probably only ever in-system when it first developed, ala the gates in Cowboy Beebop. But once Weyland's portable ftl got cheap enough or maybe finally got some decent competition, the gates went the way of the Zepplin.

My problem wasn't so much that was a regression, although that bug me, but more that it wasn't internally consistent.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 25, 2021, 07:54:16 AM
(https://64.media.tumblr.com/09799f93fd27fd522a5acbfe86095354/tumblr_nuk7qu3Rt61rfolw9o4_400.gif)

You expected The Rage War to make sense?
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: SM on Mar 25, 2021, 07:56:24 AM
It mostly did.

That bit didn't.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 25, 2021, 07:59:05 AM
I don't think I'll ever get past the imagery of Aliens wearing masks in space amongst other things.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: SiL on Mar 25, 2021, 08:03:50 AM
I resolutely refuse to read those books because the out of context comments about shit that happens in it are infinitely more entertaining than the books can ever be.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Prez on Mar 25, 2021, 11:07:43 AM
This is a fascinating thread.

Part of me is honestly intrigued to see what this story is like.
Another part of me doesn't want to support a publisher who has given me continued reason to question their standards. That probably sounds quite obnoxious of me but whilst I know every publisher has their issues ... Marvel are quite happy to put their own front and centre in the public eye and continue to repeat them.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Xiggz456 on Mar 25, 2021, 12:13:16 PM
Another thing that I'm intrigued by in this first issue
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is getting a glimpse into WY BioWeapons division.
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Title: Re: Marvel\\\'s First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Mar 25, 2021, 12:47:47 PM
Quote from: Russ840 on Mar 24, 2021, 02:49:32 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Mar 24, 2021, 02:14:15 PM
Going in with trepidation I read Alien #1. And so far, I am thoroughly invested. Yep, I enjoyed it. It was a very good first read, even with the art issues justifiably criticized throughout this thread. I especially enjoyed the main family dynamic here. It felt real. So I am definitely looking forward to issue #2, even though... after weeks of reading this thread, I felt like I needed a shower afterwards. :-\

It really put to bed the worries as to whether or not it would graphic/violent/adult enough, don't you think.

Im with you on it.  I really felt like I was reading quality and am onboard.

Yeah, that one graphic moment I was like..  oh sh*t! So definitely that panel should calm any of those fears.  :laugh:

Quote from: Xiggz456 on Mar 24, 2021, 08:05:33 PM
The family dynamic was very well done and I loved that cliffhanger!

I did like that cliffhanger. - I'm certainly looking forward to issue 2.

Quote from: SuperiorIronman on Mar 24, 2021, 08:58:20 PM
It's gonna get at best 6 issues.

Yeah, I personally believe this grim prediction is way off. And I suspect once Dark Horse gets a look at those issue #1 sales, they're going to be kicking themselves for not trying to launch an on-going Alien series themselves this past few years. That's the way I'm figuring at least. :)

Quote from: SpaceKase on Mar 24, 2021, 09:11:33 PM
Man, what's with the Pro-Corporate Anti-United Americas vibe? Weyland Yutani as the good guys...? You guys think the series is going to stick with this sentiment because it would certainly be disturbing and at odds with like 40 years of story telling. Kind of like sitting down sitting down to a Captain America movie and suddenly having Cap be the bad guy and the narrative of the film telling us that Hydra and the Red Skull were in the right all along. Egads.

Wow, you really think that's the way this story will go? To me, they're doing the tale that is almost as old as time... where the protagonist has been thinking he's one of the good guys, until the wool is finally pulled away from his eyes. And I love those type of stories. :)
Title: Re: Marvel\\\\\\\'s First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: SpaceKase on Mar 25, 2021, 01:45:18 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Mar 25, 2021, 12:47:47 PM
Quote from: SpaceKase on Mar 24, 2021, 09:11:33 PM
Man, what's with the Pro-Corporate Anti-United Americas vibe? Weyland Yutani as the good guys...? You guys think the series is going to stick with this sentiment because it would certainly be disturbing and at odds with like 40 years of story telling. Kind of like sitting down sitting down to a Captain America movie and suddenly having Cap be the bad guy and the narrative of the film telling us that Hydra and the Red Skull were in the right all along. Egads.

Wow, you really think that's the way this story will go? To me, they're doing the tale that is almost as old as time... where the protagonist has been thinking he's one of the good guys, until the wool is finally pulled away from his eyes. And I love those type of stories. :)

I hope you're right. I really do... because just one of those things can manage to wipe out an entire topic thread in less than twenty-four hours. And if the corporations find that shit, there's no telling how many us will be exposed.

But seriously, there's no way to know yet, we've only got one point of data so we won't have any way to detect a pattern until there's at least two more, but there was enough dog whistling to make me cringe, we'll just have to wait and see what happens. I'm a big fan of redemption arcs and nuanced character motivations myself, it's part of what made the characters in BSG so fantastic, I think The Expanse went the same way, but I'm waaay behind in my viewing to speak to that honestly. So here's hoping!


Quote from: muthur9000 on Mar 25, 2021, 07:07:04 AM

I also didn't like the outburst Salvador Larocca had with his previous colourist. Had sexist tones.

"My editor already showed these (pages) with a horrible colour, I prefer to show them in black and white, which I prefer indefinitely more. A publisher such as Marvel with so terrible colorists... A woman, in this case."

Article here: https://bleedingcool.com/comics/salvador-larroca-trash-talks-his-colourists/

RUDE

Yeah dude, that is super disappointing to be sure. Not cool.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Russ840 on Mar 25, 2021, 02:03:09 PM
Im loving the constant focus on traced art and yet no one seems to be calling Dark Horse on it ( other than Ridgetop) for Alien the original screenplay.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 25, 2021, 03:21:34 PM
Second Printing:

(https://i0.wp.com/www.tripwiremagazine.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/image002-4.jpg?w=496)

http://www.tripwiremagazine.co.uk/headlines/alien-1-returns-to-comic-shops-with-second-printing/

Quote from: Russ840 on Mar 25, 2021, 02:03:09 PM
Im loving the constant focus on traced art and yet no one seems to be calling Dark Horse on it ( other than Ridgetop) for Alien the original screenplay.


I think it's just as big an issue there, honestly, though it becomes more apparent in this case because it is from an "artist" that has a long history of doing this, over and over and over again, and Marvel does absolutely nothing about it.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: HuDaFuK on Mar 25, 2021, 03:27:35 PM
:laugh: They just had to sneak out one more variant.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Russ840 on Mar 25, 2021, 03:44:15 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 25, 2021, 03:21:34 PM
Second Printing:

https://i0.wp.com/www.tripwiremagazine.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/image002-4.jpg?w=496

http://www.tripwiremagazine.co.uk/headlines/alien-1-returns-to-comic-shops-with-second-printing/

Quote from: Russ840 on Mar 25, 2021, 02:03:09 PM
Im loving the constant focus on traced art and yet no one seems to be calling Dark Horse on it ( other than Ridgetop) for Alien the original screenplay.


I think it's just as big an issue there, honestly, though it becomes more apparent in this case because it is from an "artist" that has a long history of doing this, over and over and over again, and Marvel does absolutely nothing about it.

As I said over in the other thread. It seems to be a thing with the industry. It's more common than we think. But because 'Marvel', we are all over it.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Mar 25, 2021, 03:54:21 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Mar 25, 2021, 03:27:35 PM
:laugh: They just had to sneak out one more variant.

Well second printings typically means it sold through past expectations and there's more demand/orders to fill, which is good news for those who want this ongoing to thrive.

The new cover is just so the collectible marketplace doesn't get the 2nd print confused with the more valuable first printings. (Many older books, the only way you could tell what printing it was from, was to open the cover and check the fine print!)

Second Printing hits stands on April 28th.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: 426Buddy on Mar 25, 2021, 04:01:34 PM
Quote from: Russ840 on Mar 25, 2021, 03:44:15 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 25, 2021, 03:21:34 PM
Second Printing:

https://i0.wp.com/www.tripwiremagazine.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/image002-4.jpg?w=496

http://www.tripwiremagazine.co.uk/headlines/alien-1-returns-to-comic-shops-with-second-printing/

Quote from: Russ840 on Mar 25, 2021, 02:03:09 PM
Im loving the constant focus on traced art and yet no one seems to be calling Dark Horse on it ( other than Ridgetop) for Alien the original screenplay.


I think it's just as big an issue there, honestly, though it becomes more apparent in this case because it is from an "artist" that has a long history of doing this, over and over and over again, and Marvel does absolutely nothing about it.

As I said over in the other thread. It seems to be a thing with the industry. It's more common than we think. But because 'Marvel', we are all over it.

Nice way to dismiss people's criticism, I know I've mentioned it regarding DH multiple times and also in this very thread.

QuoteI'll take Sam Keith again over traced action figures and stolen art.

It has come out that it happened at DH too, on Alien TOS and Aliens Fire & Stone for sure. But I don't know any other examples. With Marvel it's been just too much to keep me interested anymore.

If you want to support these business practices then just own it instead of using whatabout-ism.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Xiggz456 on Mar 25, 2021, 04:09:58 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Mar 25, 2021, 03:27:35 PM
:laugh: They just had to sneak out one more variant.

Lol right! But the largest comic shop in my state was completely sold out within one hour of opening. Luckily there's a couple of smaller shops a bit further away where I was able to snag a Variant cover. Last time I had this problem was when Gibson's A3 came out and that was by far the best seller of DH's recent Alien runs so based on this very limited knowledge I'm thinking this is already selling well.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 25, 2021, 04:19:53 PM
Quote from: Russ840 on Mar 25, 2021, 03:44:15 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 25, 2021, 03:21:34 PM
Second Printing:

https://i0.wp.com/www.tripwiremagazine.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/image002-4.jpg?w=496

http://www.tripwiremagazine.co.uk/headlines/alien-1-returns-to-comic-shops-with-second-printing/

Quote from: Russ840 on Mar 25, 2021, 02:03:09 PM
Im loving the constant focus on traced art and yet no one seems to be calling Dark Horse on it ( other than Ridgetop) for Alien the original screenplay.


I think it's just as big an issue there, honestly, though it becomes more apparent in this case because it is from an "artist" that has a long history of doing this, over and over and over again, and Marvel does absolutely nothing about it.

As I said over in the other thread. It seems to be a thing with the industry. It's more common than we think. But because 'Marvel', we are all over it.

And in every case, it is a lazy, half-assed attempt at art in a medium that is centered around art on the page.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Mar 25, 2021, 04:23:56 PM
Quote from: 426Buddy on Mar 25, 2021, 04:01:34 PM
Quote from: Russ840 on Mar 25, 2021, 03:44:15 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 25, 2021, 03:21:34 PM
Second Printing:

https://i0.wp.com/www.tripwiremagazine.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/image002-4.jpg?w=496

http://www.tripwiremagazine.co.uk/headlines/alien-1-returns-to-comic-shops-with-second-printing/

Quote from: Russ840 on Mar 25, 2021, 02:03:09 PM
Im loving the constant focus on traced art and yet no one seems to be calling Dark Horse on it ( other than Ridgetop) for Alien the original screenplay.


I think it's just as big an issue there, honestly, though it becomes more apparent in this case because it is from an "artist" that has a long history of doing this, over and over and over again, and Marvel does absolutely nothing about it.

As I said over in the other thread. It seems to be a thing with the industry. It's more common than we think. But because 'Marvel', we are all over it.

Nice way to dismiss people's criticism, I know I've mentioned it regarding DH multiple times and also in this very thread.

I don't think Russ is dismissing it per say, but there has definitely been a lot more spotlight on Marvel's Alien #1 than anything before with Dark Horse in regards to this issue. I think he's right about that.

However to me though, it's not necessarily because it's Marvel, but rather the fact Tristan Jones shined a big spotlight on the issue to us Alien fans recently when he accused Greg Land of plagiarizing some of his artwork on the upcoming Omnibus. It was a loud enough noise that some media outlets even picked it up.

So now everyone is looking at every piece of artwork and trying to find out its reference source, (hence RidgeTop with TOS) and it has all snowballed I think. So perhaps Dark Horse is just as egregious recently, but as luck would have it, they just missed the looming storm? It's only a question for readers with better eyes than me can answer. :)
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 25, 2021, 04:36:53 PM
I just hope, in other future comics to come, Marvel doesn't feel the need to constantly go for "realism" and actually hire artists that will put their own stamp on things. So many of Dark Horse's best books looked totally unique from one another (and didn't attempt to just go for photorealism), and were all the better for it.

(https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/avp/images/d/d0/ASSelkirk4.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/340?cb=20210124205502)
(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/S/cmx-images-prod/Item/229780/Previews/8b7157ea490c2813b937b2d3a5709bec._SX1280_QL80_TTD_.jpg)
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/P3ONkt2Mfcaiiy5nGCHlawaNNaeOSvVa24etHMIEkV0glJACjQ8TOppijdPCVDH6HlQzKiMlheSgYRjZqx6VqC-40vjMxfflktdLW9Sc5xRe89sO91E1sFbylsE0)

Comics don't always have to ape the look/feel of movies, nor do they all have to look like one another. Let this medium be used to its fullest potential in a variety of different ways.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Russ840 on Mar 25, 2021, 04:56:48 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Mar 25, 2021, 04:23:56 PM
Quote from: 426Buddy on Mar 25, 2021, 04:01:34 PM
Quote from: Russ840 on Mar 25, 2021, 03:44:15 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 25, 2021, 03:21:34 PM
Second Printing:

https://i0.wp.com/www.tripwiremagazine.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/image002-4.jpg?w=496

http://www.tripwiremagazine.co.uk/headlines/alien-1-returns-to-comic-shops-with-second-printing/

Quote from: Russ840 on Mar 25, 2021, 02:03:09 PM
Im loving the constant focus on traced art and yet no one seems to be calling Dark Horse on it ( other than Ridgetop) for Alien the original screenplay.


I think it's just as big an issue there, honestly, though it becomes more apparent in this case because it is from an "artist" that has a long history of doing this, over and over and over again, and Marvel does absolutely nothing about it.

As I said over in the other thread. It seems to be a thing with the industry. It's more common than we think. But because 'Marvel', we are all over it.

Nice way to dismiss people's criticism, I know I've mentioned it regarding DH multiple times and also in this very thread.

I don't think Russ is dismissing it per say, but there has definitely been a lot more spotlight on Marvel's Alien #1 than anything before with Dark Horse in regards to this issue. I think he's right about that.

However to me though, it's not necessarily because it's Marvel, but rather the fact Tristan Jones shined a big spotlight on the issue to us Alien fans recently when he accused Greg Land of plagiarizing some of his artwork on the upcoming Omnibus. It was a loud enough noise that some media outlets even picked it up.

So now everyone is looking at every piece of artwork and trying to find out its reference source, (hence RidgeTop with TOS) and it has all snowballed I think. So perhaps Dark Horse is just as egregious recently, but as luck would have it, they just missed the looming storm? It's only a question for readers with better eyes than me can answer. :)

Exactly. 

Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: SM on Mar 25, 2021, 08:16:32 PM
Dark Horse is definitely not as egregious and to try and imply that they did the same thing after all the bullshit cover thievery to the lazy lifelessness of the final artwork is disingenuous bullshit.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: judge death on Mar 25, 2021, 08:20:08 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 25, 2021, 04:36:53 PM
I just hope, in other future comics to come, Marvel doesn't feel the need to constantly go for "realism" and actually hire artists that will put their own stamp on things. So many of Dark Horse's best books looked totally unique from one another (and didn't attempt to just go for photorealism), and were all the better for it.

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/avp/images/d/d0/ASSelkirk4.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/340?cb=20210124205502
https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/S/cmx-images-prod/Item/229780/Previews/8b7157ea490c2813b937b2d3a5709bec._SX1280_QL80_TTD_.jpg
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/P3ONkt2Mfcaiiy5nGCHlawaNNaeOSvVa24etHMIEkV0glJACjQ8TOppijdPCVDH6HlQzKiMlheSgYRjZqx6VqC-40vjMxfflktdLW9Sc5xRe89sO91E1sFbylsE0

Comics don't always have to ape the look/feel of movies, nor do they all have to look like one another. Let this medium be used to its fullest potential in a variety of different ways.
LOVE dead orbite! The art in that one is good and easy to remember, hard to mistake for anything else, and waiting to get my copy of inhuman condition, looking forward to it :D

Remember someone on twitter saying that all artists in modern comics are using photoshop and its where comics will go, calling them photoshop comics. I´m so glad that we have 2000AD and others who make stunning original real life paintings for their comics, example dark justice from 2012 was all hand painted and took 4 years to make but it blows everything I´ve seen out of the water :D
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: SM on Mar 25, 2021, 08:29:38 PM
Photoshop has been around for 30 years.  The problem isn't Photoshop.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: judge death on Mar 25, 2021, 08:33:40 PM
its what the person called using tracing for, like taking neca toys and pictures and then trace it, apparently some call it photoshop comics and prefers that more realistic style, learned that yesterday. But yep, photoshop isnt the problem in this case.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Mar 25, 2021, 08:38:10 PM
Quote from: SM on Mar 25, 2021, 08:16:32 PM
Dark Horse is definitely not as egregious and to try and imply that they did the same thing after all the bullshit cover thievery to the lazy lifelessness of the final artwork is disingenuous bullshit.

Please take it down a notch SM. I'm not good at finding these things myself but RidgeTop went looking in DH's Alien: The Original Screenplay and found an array of tracing that Hicks, Eric nor I caught. So in terms of recent Alien, until someone goes looking in releases like F&S and L&D etc., to be fair, we don't know, until we know (sadly).
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: SM on Mar 25, 2021, 08:58:53 PM
Quote from: judge death on Mar 25, 2021, 08:33:40 PM
its what the person called using tracing for, like taking neca toys and pictures and then trace it, apparently some call it photoshop comics and prefers that more realistic style, learned that yesterday. But yep, photoshop isnt the problem in this case.

Because of course Photoshop invented tracing and tracing paper isn't a thing.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: judge death on Mar 25, 2021, 08:59:46 PM
Hahaha xD Well said.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: 426Buddy on Mar 25, 2021, 09:12:20 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Mar 25, 2021, 08:38:10 PM
Quote from: SM on Mar 25, 2021, 08:16:32 PM
Dark Horse is definitely not as egregious and to try and imply that they did the same thing after all the bullshit cover thievery to the lazy lifelessness of the final artwork is disingenuous bullshit.

Please take it down a notch SM. I'm not good at finding these things myself but RidgeTop went looking in DH's Alien: The Original Screenplay and found an array of tracing that Hicks, Eric nor I caught. So in terms of recent Alien, until someone goes looking in releases like F&S and L&D etc., to be fair, we don't know, until we know (sadly).

The Aliens fire and stone tracing has been known for a long while now. There is no tracing in L&D.

I'de bet that Marvel has put out more traced or stolen art before the release of their first f*cking issue than in the whole DH line up. And DH never put out anything as egregiously traced as Marvel issue 1. The  action figures are so obvious it wasn't going to be missed even if no one was looking for it.

It is disengenous to say DH had done anything on this level and that's counting Alien the original screenplay. I think Ridgetop noticed that because he hates prometheus so much. And I understand that series HAD to be rushed out because they were losing the license.

But I get it, whatabout-ism helps make the pill go down easier for those shelling out money for this when they know before-hand that it's just lazy traced work.

This seems to be a growing trend in the industry but Marvel appears to be leading the charge.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: judge death on Mar 25, 2021, 09:14:51 PM
Read that Marvel used warhammer 40K figures they traced for some venom comics and got shit and threats of suement from the owners of warcraft 40k, seems they didnt learn from it.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: SM on Mar 25, 2021, 09:33:58 PM
Quote from: 426Buddy on Mar 25, 2021, 09:12:20 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Mar 25, 2021, 08:38:10 PM
Quote from: SM on Mar 25, 2021, 08:16:32 PM
Dark Horse is definitely not as egregious and to try and imply that they did the same thing after all the bullshit cover thievery to the lazy lifelessness of the final artwork is disingenuous bullshit.

Please take it down a notch SM. I'm not good at finding these things myself but RidgeTop went looking in DH's Alien: The Original Screenplay and found an array of tracing that Hicks, Eric nor I caught. So in terms of recent Alien, until someone goes looking in releases like F&S and L&D etc., to be fair, we don't know, until we know (sadly).

The Aliens fire and stone tracing has been known for a long while now. There is no tracing in L&D.

I'de bet that Marvel has put out more traced or stolen art before the release of their first f*cking issue than in the whole DH line up. And DH never put out anything as egregiously traced as Marvel issue 1. The  action figures are so obvious it wasn't going to be missed even if no one was looking for it.

It is disengenous to say DH had done anything on this level and that's counting Alien the original screenplay. I think Ridgetop noticed that because he hates prometheus so much. And I understand that series HAD to be rushed out because they were losing the license.

But I get it, whatabout-ism helps make the pill go down easier for those shelling out money for this when they know before-hand that it's just lazy traced work.

This seems to be a growing trend in the industry but Marvel appears to be leading the charge.


Take it down a notch there Bud - DH doing some well known and discussed tracing in a couple of books over the course of 30+ years is exactly the same as Marvel doing it right out of the gate and stealing the work of other artists.

Exactly. The.  Same.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: [cancerblack] on Mar 25, 2021, 09:35:36 PM
Quote from: judge death on Mar 25, 2021, 09:14:51 PM
Read that Marvel used warhammer 40K figures they traced for some venom comics and got shit and threats of suement from the owners of warcraft 40k, seems they didnt learn from it.

It wasn't even that much effort, they just ripped models directly the from Dawn of War videogame and didn't even trace or recolour them, just shrunk/upscaled a few parts (in ways that don't even look any good or make any sense).

Or maybe you mean the time they actually did draw a 1:1 copy of what amounts to an "rpg pistol" from 40k, then added a weird fuel tank and grappling hook to it?

I've posted both earlier in the thread.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Mar 25, 2021, 09:41:43 PM
Quote from: 426Buddy on Mar 25, 2021, 09:12:20 PM
It is disengenous to say DH had done anything on this level and that's counting Alien the original screenplay. I think Ridgetop noticed that because he hates prometheus so much.

???

Again, please take it down a notch guys. It's okay to disagree but let's try to do it without all the hostility.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: judge death on Mar 25, 2021, 09:41:49 PM
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Mar 25, 2021, 09:35:36 PM
Quote from: judge death on Mar 25, 2021, 09:14:51 PM
Read that Marvel used warhammer 40K figures they traced for some venom comics and got shit and threats of suement from the owners of warcraft 40k, seems they didnt learn from it.

It wasn't even that much effort, they just ripped models directly the from Dawn of War videogame and didn't even trace or recolour them, just shrunk/upscaled a few parts (in ways that don't even look any good or make any sense).

Or maybe you mean the time they actually did draw a 1:1 copy of what amounts to an "rpg pistol" from 40k, then added a weird fuel tank and grappling hook to it?

I've posted both earlier in the thread.
Ahh! Sorry I missed that, learned that 2 days ago when I was reading about spiderman and found this stated in reviews that took up venom.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 25, 2021, 09:45:18 PM
Quote from: 426Buddy on Mar 25, 2021, 09:12:20 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Mar 25, 2021, 08:38:10 PM
Quote from: SM on Mar 25, 2021, 08:16:32 PM
Dark Horse is definitely not as egregious and to try and imply that they did the same thing after all the bullshit cover thievery to the lazy lifelessness of the final artwork is disingenuous bullshit.

Please take it down a notch SM. I'm not good at finding these things myself but RidgeTop went looking in DH's Alien: The Original Screenplay and found an array of tracing that Hicks, Eric nor I caught. So in terms of recent Alien, until someone goes looking in releases like F&S and L&D etc., to be fair, we don't know, until we know (sadly).

The Aliens fire and stone tracing has been known for a long while now. There is no tracing in L&D.

I'de bet that Marvel has put out more traced or stolen art before the release of their first f*cking issue than in the whole DH line up. And DH never put out anything as egregiously traced as Marvel issue 1. The  action figures are so obvious it wasn't going to be missed even if no one was looking for it.

It is disengenous to say DH had done anything on this level and that's counting Alien the original screenplay. I think Ridgetop noticed that because he hates prometheus so much. And I understand that series HAD to be rushed out because they were losing the license.

But I get it, whatabout-ism helps make the pill go down easier for those shelling out money for this when they know before-hand that it's just lazy traced work.

This seems to be a growing trend in the industry but Marvel appears to be leading the charge.

All of this yes, even if RidgeTop's totally, entitled to that opinion.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: RidgeTop on Mar 25, 2021, 09:52:00 PM
Let's keep it civil here, folks.

Quote from: 426Buddy on Mar 25, 2021, 09:12:20 PM
I think Ridgetop noticed that because he hates prometheus so much. And I understand that series HAD to be rushed out because they were losing the license.

But I get it, whatabout-ism helps make the pill go down easier for those shelling out money for this when they know before-hand that it's just lazy traced work.

This seems to be a growing trend in the industry but Marvel appears to be leading the charge.

I don't hate Prometheus, I was very disappointed in it in the context of an Alien prequel. I've always said as a stand-alone sci-fi I quite enjoy it, and I still watch it from time to time. Actually the ship designs in both Covenant and Prometheus were some of the things I liked the most, which is why I was quick to notice them. Copying those backgrounds is deserving of criticism but certainly not as bad as straight up stealing from a fellow comic artist like what happened with Land. 
Title: Re: Marvel\'s First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Russ840 on Mar 25, 2021, 09:52:25 PM
My original comment about all this was to point out that what Larroca does by photo referencing and tracing is no different to what is done by other artists for other publications.

At no point am I trying to defend Greg Land's shoddy, stolen work.

It just seems to me that, because of Land, a lot of people are just looking to throw negativity towards the new Marvel work.

So SM. I was not trying to be disingenuous with my point. Just neutral. 



Quote from: RidgeTop on Mar 25, 2021, 09:52:00 PM
Let's keep it civil here, folks.

Quote from: 426Buddy on Mar 25, 2021, 09:12:20 PM
I think Ridgetop noticed that because he hates prometheus so much. And I understand that series HAD to be rushed out because they were losing the license.

But I get it, whatabout-ism helps make the pill go down easier for those shelling out money for this when they know before-hand that it's just lazy traced work.

This seems to be a growing trend in the industry but Marvel appears to be leading the charge.

I don't hate Prometheus, I was very disappointed in it in the context of an Alien prequel. I've always said as a stand-alone sci-fi I quite enjoy it, and I still watch it from time to time. Actually the ship designs in both Covenant and Prometheus were some of the things I liked the most, which is why I was quick to notice them. Copying those backgrounds is deserving of criticism but certainly not as bad as straight up stealing from a fellow comic artist like what happened with Land.

But Salvador Larroca should not be getting hammered because of Land either.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: [cancerblack] on Mar 25, 2021, 09:54:03 PM
Quote from: judge death on Mar 25, 2021, 09:41:49 PM
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Mar 25, 2021, 09:35:36 PM
Quote from: judge death on Mar 25, 2021, 09:14:51 PM
Read that Marvel used warhammer 40K figures they traced for some venom comics and got shit and threats of suement from the owners of warcraft 40k, seems they didnt learn from it.

It wasn't even that much effort, they just ripped models directly the from Dawn of War videogame and didn't even trace or recolour them, just shrunk/upscaled a few parts (in ways that don't even look any good or make any sense).

Or maybe you mean the time they actually did draw a 1:1 copy of what amounts to an "rpg pistol" from 40k, then added a weird fuel tank and grappling hook to it?

I've posted both earlier in the thread.
Ahh! Sorry I missed that, learned that 2 days ago when I was reading about spiderman and found this stated in reviews that took up venom.

Here's the post about Venom: Space Knight from earlier. Looks like they did use some kind of shader/filter to make it look like line art but I doubt there was any manual tracing, that would have been too much work:

Quote from: [cancerblack] on Jan 08, 2021, 06:51:07 PM
Here's an oldie but a goodie, Venom: Space Knight using Dawn of War videogame models (the tan coloured vehicles). Presumably to dodge copyright (GW is one of the few organizations as litigious as Disney, or was at the time), but possibly through sheer laziness or incompetence, they also managed to scale up the main chassis by an order of magnitude or two, while leaving the drones (front), missile rack (top), access hatches (side), and engines (side, upper) in the original scale.

Marvel fans of the day assured me this was not an uncommon event.

https://graphicpolicy.files.wordpress.com/2016/04/marvel-tau-1.jpg?resize=860%2C718
https://graphicpolicy.files.wordpress.com/2016/04/marvel-tau-2.jpg?w=860


And some of the Spider Man panels with the Bolt Pistol, compared with an actual tiny plastic gun from the miniatures:

(https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/at/2009/1/8/d60d38eff3784757b91e1fb19419007d_661.jpg__thumb)

(https://megabitzshop.com/media/image/product/2180/md/warhammer-40k-bitz-catachan-command-squad-bolt-pistol.jpg)
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 25, 2021, 09:55:48 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Mar 25, 2021, 08:38:10 PM
Quote from: SM on Mar 25, 2021, 08:16:32 PM
Dark Horse is definitely not as egregious and to try and imply that they did the same thing after all the bullshit cover thievery to the lazy lifelessness of the final artwork is disingenuous bullshit.

Please take it down a notch SM. I'm not good at finding these things myself but RidgeTop went looking in DH's Alien: The Original Screenplay and found an array of tracing that Hicks, Eric nor I caught. So in terms of recent Alien, until someone goes looking in releases like F&S and L&D etc., to be fair, we don't know, until we know (sadly).

I can tell you having read most every Dark Horse graphic novel in existence, and having nearly every Alien image committed to memory because I'm something of a sperg, that the tracing's basically nonexistent in any of the good ones apart from a single panel in Thicker Than Blood that clearly referenced a popular Alien Isolation pose.

I have already said for years I despise Fire and Stone for this reason amongst others.

And Salvador Larroca deserves every bit of ire he gets.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: PAS Spinelli on Mar 25, 2021, 10:07:23 PM
I feel like background tracing isn't nearly as bad as tracing characters
Title: Re: Marvel\'s First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: RidgeTop on Mar 25, 2021, 10:12:01 PM
Quote from: Russ840 on Mar 25, 2021, 09:52:25 PM
But Salvador Larroca should not be getting hammered because of Land either.

I'm not saying he should be, because he has his own pretty damning track record when it comes to this sort of thing:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DMxz7diVwAAkNYs?format=jpg&name=4096x4096)

Also, I'm looking forward to when the Toyota LQ Concept goes into production in 180 years:

(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/783114751713738754/824478192735223898/unknown.png)
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/783114751713738754/824478156207554600/unknown.png)

I don't think Dark Horse had much of a track record of this though really. From what I've seen we have:

Aliens: Fire & Stone, which wasn't so much theft as it was Patrick Reynolds tracing his own collaged reference and elements, which isn't egregious but I still think make things look too stiff.

Aliens: Rescue, the variant covers were swiped.

and Alien: The Original Screenplay, where the environmental backgrounds were swiped. 

What we've seen done by Marvel already in terms of artwork is pretty concerning. However I've also seen some great variant covers from Marvel by artists who I see no evidence of this behavior.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 25, 2021, 10:15:49 PM
Land and Larroca are both scum.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: SM on Mar 25, 2021, 10:16:32 PM
Quote from: PAS Spinelli on Mar 25, 2021, 10:07:23 PM
I feel like background tracing isn't nearly as bad as tracing characters

Possibly.

It's just hackery.  Whether it's because the artist is lazy, untalented, or under unreasonable pressures - it's still hackery and ends up looking cheap.

Use stills for reference - don't copy them wholesale.

And criticism of Marvel for the way they've handled this whole thing isn't equating Larocca with Land.  It's criticism of Marvel.  Obviously.  Larocca can get criticised for his own faults.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Kimarhi on Mar 25, 2021, 10:47:17 PM
Mods are no fun.


This was close to becoming a marvel inspired death match. 

>:(
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Russ840 on Mar 25, 2021, 11:08:11 PM
Quote from: Trash Queen on Mar 25, 2021, 10:15:49 PM
Land and Larroca are both scum.

Why is Larroca scum ?
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: SM on Mar 25, 2021, 11:18:23 PM
I think publicly shitting on one of his colourists and making sure everyone knew she was a woman might qualify?


Another thing that's confusing me - why is this more expensive on Kindle?

Single issues of digital comics were generally around $5 and this is $7.50.  Does it have a higher the usual page count because it's a first issue?
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 25, 2021, 11:24:15 PM
Quote from: SM on Mar 25, 2021, 11:18:23 PM
Another thing that's confusing me - why is this more expensive on Kindle?

Single issues of digital comics were generally around $5 and this is $7.50.  Does it have a higher the usual page count because it's a first issue?

I think its page count is a bit higher, which is reflected in its $4.99 USD price as opposed to Marvel's standard $3.99. No idea why they would bump it up even more for Kindle. :-X
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 25, 2021, 11:30:09 PM
Tracing and his "art style" obviously.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Russ840 on Mar 25, 2021, 11:34:33 PM
Quote from: SM on Mar 25, 2021, 11:18:23 PM
I think publicly shitting on one of his colourists and making sure everyone knew she was a woman might qualify?


Another thing that's confusing me - why is this more expensive on Kindle?

Single issues of digital comics were generally around $5 and this is $7.50.  Does it have a higher the usual page count because it's a first issue?

I was not aware of that incident.

It does have a higher page count. But no idea why it's further inflated on kindle.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: 426Buddy on Mar 25, 2021, 11:38:46 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Mar 25, 2021, 09:41:43 PM
Quote from: 426Buddy on Mar 25, 2021, 09:12:20 PM
It is disengenous to say DH had done anything on this level and that's counting Alien the original screenplay. I think Ridgetop noticed that because he hates prometheus so much.

???

Again, please take it down a notch guys. It's okay to disagree but let's try to do it without all the hostility.

Just for clarification I didn't mean to slight you Ridgetop with that comment. I just noticed you're not big on seeing the prequel stuff make its way into the rest of the series so I assumed incorrectly that's why it stood out to you. No malice or hostility meant with that comment, and saying "hate" was just hyperbole

Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Mar 25, 2021, 11:41:46 PM
Quote from: Trash Queen on Mar 25, 2021, 09:55:48 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Mar 25, 2021, 08:38:10 PM
Quote from: SM on Mar 25, 2021, 08:16:32 PM
Dark Horse is definitely not as egregious and to try and imply that they did the same thing after all the bullshit cover thievery to the lazy lifelessness of the final artwork is disingenuous bullshit.

Please take it down a notch SM. I'm not good at finding these things myself but RidgeTop went looking in DH's Alien: The Original Screenplay and found an array of tracing that Hicks, Eric nor I caught. So in terms of recent Alien, until someone goes looking in releases like F&S and L&D etc., to be fair, we don't know, until we know (sadly).

I can tell you having read most every Dark Horse graphic novel in existence, and having nearly every Alien image committed to memory because I'm something of a sperg, that the tracing's basically nonexistent in any of the good ones apart from a single panel in Thicker Than Blood that clearly referenced a popular Alien Isolation pose.

Speaking about AvP Thicker than Blood, RT just dipped his toe in and found his first tracing there and it has nothing to do with Isolation.  :o  Mad respect for his eagle-eyes! Since it's his find though, I'll let him share it. That's why I say let's see how deep the rabbit hole goes with Dark Horse.  :-\
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: RidgeTop on Mar 25, 2021, 11:50:08 PM
Quote from: SM on Mar 25, 2021, 11:18:23 PM
I think publicly shitting on one of his colourists and making sure everyone knew she was a woman might qualify?

Certainly not a good look. Frankly he's lucky he has a good colorist for this Alien comic.

Also has straight up stolen from DeviantArt. I like how they call it a "mistake."

https://screenrant.com/marvel-comics-error-deviant-art-canon-mistake/

As Voodoo said, I've been going down a rabbit hole lately, and yes, it is possible that this happened more under Dark Horse than we realized...

(https://i.imgur.com/MQUtf4d.png)

This was from a comic we really praised the art of as well.

I don't think all the criticism should be levied at the artists though, this is a big problem with the industry itself, crushing deadlines and all that.

But some artists like Land and Larroca seem particularly blatant about it, and that should also be called out.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: SM on Mar 26, 2021, 12:05:45 AM
Defo a trace job - so does that make three now?
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Xiggz456 on Mar 26, 2021, 12:58:59 AM
Quote from: RidgeTop on Mar 25, 2021, 11:50:08 PM
Quote from: SM on Mar 25, 2021, 11:18:23 PM
I think publicly shitting on one of his colourists and making sure everyone knew she was a woman might qualify?

Certainly not a good look. Frankly he's lucky he has a good colorist for this Alien comic.

Also has straight up stolen from DeviantArt. I like how they call it a "mistake."

https://screenrant.com/marvel-comics-error-deviant-art-canon-mistake/

As Voodoo said, I've been going down a rabbit hole lately, and yes, it is possible that this happened more under Dark Horse than we realized...

(https://i.imgur.com/MQUtf4d.png)

This was from a comic we really praised the art of as well.

I don't think all the criticism should be levied at the artists though, this is a big problem with the industry itself, crushing deadlines and all that.

But some artists like Land and Larroca seem particularly blatant about it, and that should also be called out.

I don't think people understand how labor intensive it is to do 100+ pieces of art for a single issue comic in one month's time. Artists are going to cut corners or face missing deadlines which could lead to less opportunities down the line. But, unfortunately if this is something that's going to overly bother people than maybe they should just not read the comics.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Prez on Mar 26, 2021, 01:10:53 AM
Quote from: Xiggz456 on Mar 26, 2021, 12:58:59 AM
Quote from: RidgeTop on Mar 25, 2021, 11:50:08 PM
Quote from: SM on Mar 25, 2021, 11:18:23 PM
I think publicly shitting on one of his colourists and making sure everyone knew she was a woman might qualify?

Certainly not a good look. Frankly he's lucky he has a good colorist for this Alien comic.

Also has straight up stolen from DeviantArt. I like how they call it a "mistake."

https://screenrant.com/marvel-comics-error-deviant-art-canon-mistake/

As Voodoo said, I've been going down a rabbit hole lately, and yes, it is possible that this happened more under Dark Horse than we realized...

(https://i.imgur.com/MQUtf4d.png)

This was from a comic we really praised the art of as well.

I don't think all the criticism should be levied at the artists though, this is a big problem with the industry itself, crushing deadlines and all that.

But some artists like Land and Larroca seem particularly blatant about it, and that should also be called out.

I don't think people understand how labor intensive it is to do 100+ pieces of art for a single issue comic in one month's time. Artists are going to cut corners or face missing deadlines which could lead to less opportunities down the line. But, unfortunately if this is something that's going to overly bother people than maybe they should just not read the comics.

Despite my previous comments on this whole situation ... you're absolutely spot on here!
I know how time consuming it was just to produce one hand drawn label for a bloody beer can recently.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 26, 2021, 01:11:21 AM
Quote from: Xiggz456 on Mar 26, 2021, 12:58:59 AM
Quote from: RidgeTop on Mar 25, 2021, 11:50:08 PM
Quote from: SM on Mar 25, 2021, 11:18:23 PM
I think publicly shitting on one of his colourists and making sure everyone knew she was a woman might qualify?

Certainly not a good look. Frankly he's lucky he has a good colorist for this Alien comic.

Also has straight up stolen from DeviantArt. I like how they call it a "mistake."

https://screenrant.com/marvel-comics-error-deviant-art-canon-mistake/

As Voodoo said, I've been going down a rabbit hole lately, and yes, it is possible that this happened more under Dark Horse than we realized...

(https://i.imgur.com/MQUtf4d.png)

This was from a comic we really praised the art of as well.

I don't think all the criticism should be levied at the artists though, this is a big problem with the industry itself, crushing deadlines and all that.

But some artists like Land and Larroca seem particularly blatant about it, and that should also be called out.

I don't think people understand how labor intensive it is to do 100+ pieces of art for a single issue comic in one month's time. Artists are going to cut corners or face missing deadlines which could lead to less opportunities down the line. But, unfortunately if this is something that's going to overly bother people than maybe they should just not read the comics.

Which is one of the major reasons I never actually complained when, say, Dead Orbit kept getting delays between issues. I was more than happy to wait longer for higher quality work. I wish fewer comics were locked into strict mostly release slots.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: judge death on Mar 26, 2021, 01:15:59 AM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 26, 2021, 01:11:21 AM
Quote from: Xiggz456 on Mar 26, 2021, 12:58:59 AM
Quote from: RidgeTop on Mar 25, 2021, 11:50:08 PM
Quote from: SM on Mar 25, 2021, 11:18:23 PM
I think publicly shitting on one of his colourists and making sure everyone knew she was a woman might qualify?

Certainly not a good look. Frankly he's lucky he has a good colorist for this Alien comic.

Also has straight up stolen from DeviantArt. I like how they call it a "mistake."

https://screenrant.com/marvel-comics-error-deviant-art-canon-mistake/

As Voodoo said, I've been going down a rabbit hole lately, and yes, it is possible that this happened more under Dark Horse than we realized...

(https://i.imgur.com/MQUtf4d.png)

This was from a comic we really praised the art of as well.

I don't think all the criticism should be levied at the artists though, this is a big problem with the industry itself, crushing deadlines and all that.

But some artists like Land and Larroca seem particularly blatant about it, and that should also be called out.

I don't think people understand how labor intensive it is to do 100+ pieces of art for a single issue comic in one month's time. Artists are going to cut corners or face missing deadlines which could lead to less opportunities down the line. But, unfortunately if this is something that's going to overly bother people than maybe they should just not read the comics.

Which is one of the major reasons I never actually complained when, say, Dead Orbit kept getting delays between issues. I was more than happy to wait longer for higher quality work. I wish fewer comics were locked into strict mostly release slots.
Same for 2000AD who delays instead and releases comics very often, judge dredd series is ongoing since the 1970s :P
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Kimarhi on Mar 26, 2021, 01:17:45 AM
I guarantee it happened less back in the old DH days, because I remember one of the frequent complaints about old DH press comics was that they were never released on time for all kinds of different titles. 

So you are kind of working with a catch 22.  Take time and have better untraced art that might slow a whole project by a couple of months time, or cut corners and very obviously trace.

If I remember right Colonial Marines was a series that missed so many timelines/deadlines that they ended up chopping two issues off the ending because it was so hopelessly behind schedule. 

The comic just basically ends and everbody was asking about why that was, and DH was basically just like, "Oh, it was always supposed to be that way."  Despite it very obviously going from 12 issues to ten issues in the issue count.

Of course there are some artist that don't seem to have that problem, but those same artist aren't going to want to do work on the same title for the rest of their careers. 

Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Mar 26, 2021, 01:19:27 AM
I think there is no excuse, but I wonder if artists who work in the comic industry can build buffers.

Quote from: webcomicallianceYou've all heard about them, and if you've been in the game for a few years, you wonder if they're even achievable – I'm talking about the elusive buffer.

It's one of the most prized assets of comic artists who have a specific posting schedule. Perhaps you're one of those folks who post a page once a week and would love to be able to have an extra update in the can – in the event life happens to strike and ruins your schedule. Or perhaps you're part of the group of creators that posts 5 days a week and has that ultimate wish to have 3-5 days worth of strips on hand.

How to Build a Buffer ~
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: SM on Mar 26, 2021, 01:24:28 AM
Quote from: Xiggz456 on Mar 26, 2021, 12:58:59 AM
Quote from: RidgeTop on Mar 25, 2021, 11:50:08 PM
Quote from: SM on Mar 25, 2021, 11:18:23 PM
I think publicly shitting on one of his colourists and making sure everyone knew she was a woman might qualify?

Certainly not a good look. Frankly he's lucky he has a good colorist for this Alien comic.

Also has straight up stolen from DeviantArt. I like how they call it a "mistake."

https://screenrant.com/marvel-comics-error-deviant-art-canon-mistake/

As Voodoo said, I've been going down a rabbit hole lately, and yes, it is possible that this happened more under Dark Horse than we realized...

(https://i.imgur.com/MQUtf4d.png)

This was from a comic we really praised the art of as well.

I don't think all the criticism should be levied at the artists though, this is a big problem with the industry itself, crushing deadlines and all that.

But some artists like Land and Larroca seem particularly blatant about it, and that should also be called out.

I don't think people understand how labor intensive it is to do 100+ pieces of art for a single issue comic in one month's time. Artists are going to cut corners or face missing deadlines which could lead to less opportunities down the line. But, unfortunately if this is something that's going to overly bother people than maybe they should just not read the comics.

It's very intensive but they don't do the art on a month by month basis.  An actual artist can correct me, but as far as I can tell the they're a couple of issues ahead of the current issue with the artwork.

As for 2000AD, I don't know what it's like now but my old Dredd, Nemesis, Halo Jones et al comics are black and white, which may have made the process quicker.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: judge death on Mar 26, 2021, 01:34:52 AM
SM: Judge dredd is for the most part now these days color and very realistic style, as example: nick percivals oncoming work, he post them on his facebook page when he finish them time to time, last couple of months he has done these:

(https://scontent.fbma2-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/165332386_10217920902605322_7289838656510786624_o.jpg?_nc_cat=102&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=fixoxrvI638AX8NNguf&_nc_ht=scontent.fbma2-1.fna&oh=28fcbde3ef53eb92d4748fb8ae37ed56&oe=608158A0)

(https://scontent.fbma2-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/161435783_10217870216738207_7563723790376826268_o.jpg?_nc_cat=103&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=4Pkf5DqwKLEAX-hSGFZ&_nc_ht=scontent.fbma2-1.fna&oh=1f92bc59318cb456cf921bc905eb34b3&oe=60830A62)

(https://scontent.fbma2-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/152130409_10217709410838160_19501244400572410_o.jpg?_nc_cat=110&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=pyuUu-IvKl0AX90qhrq&_nc_ht=scontent.fbma2-1.fna&oh=c94ae892aecb63bd3bd2ee75bc7d0c03&oe=6084475C)

Greg Staples dark justice page:
(https://i.gr-assets.com/images/S/compressed.photo.goodreads.com/hostedimages/1473535136i/20478339._SX540_.jpg)

all of them handpainted on real paper.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Mar 26, 2021, 02:09:52 AM
Quote from: judge death on Mar 26, 2021, 01:34:52 AM
(https://i.gr-assets.com/images/S/compressed.photo.goodreads.com/hostedimages/1473535136i/20478339._SX540_.jpg)

It looks like actress Abigail Breslin is being used as reference in that one.

(https://i.ibb.co/mrnW2kV/IMG-20210325-220421.jpg)
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Whiskeybrewer on Mar 26, 2021, 02:18:45 AM
Quote from: Kimarhi on Mar 26, 2021, 01:17:45 AM
I guarantee it happened less back in the old DH days, because I remember one of the frequent complaints about old DH press comics was that they were never released on time for all kinds of different titles. 

So you are kind of working with a catch 22.  Take time and have better untraced art that might slow a whole project by a couple of months time, or cut corners and very obviously trace.

If I remember right Colonial Marines was a series that missed so many timelines/deadlines that they ended up chopping two issues off the ending because it was so hopelessly behind schedule. 

The comic just basically ends and everbody was asking about why that was, and DH was basically just like, "Oh, it was always supposed to be that way."  Despite it very obviously going from 12 issues to ten issues in the issue count.

Of course there are some artist that don't seem to have that problem, but those same artist aren't going to want to do work on the same title for the rest of their careers.

Yeah i think they smooshed 5 issues of story into the final 3 issues of that.




I know its something thats not bound to happen, but i would love for a series to be completed or an arc to be completed before they put it out
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: SM on Mar 26, 2021, 02:26:48 AM
Colonial Marines went off the rails after they left Joliet.

Quote from: judge death on Mar 26, 2021, 01:34:52 AM
SM: Judge dredd is for the most part now these days color and very realistic style, as example: nick percivals oncoming work, he post them on his facebook page when he finish them time to time, last couple of months he has done these:

(https://scontent.fbma2-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/165332386_10217920902605322_7289838656510786624_o.jpg?_nc_cat=102&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=fixoxrvI638AX8NNguf&_nc_ht=scontent.fbma2-1.fna&oh=28fcbde3ef53eb92d4748fb8ae37ed56&oe=608158A0)

(https://scontent.fbma2-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/161435783_10217870216738207_7563723790376826268_o.jpg?_nc_cat=103&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=4Pkf5DqwKLEAX-hSGFZ&_nc_ht=scontent.fbma2-1.fna&oh=1f92bc59318cb456cf921bc905eb34b3&oe=60830A62)

(https://scontent.fbma2-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/152130409_10217709410838160_19501244400572410_o.jpg?_nc_cat=110&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=pyuUu-IvKl0AX90qhrq&_nc_ht=scontent.fbma2-1.fna&oh=c94ae892aecb63bd3bd2ee75bc7d0c03&oe=6084475C)

Greg Staples dark justice page:
https://i.gr-assets.com/images/S/compressed.photo.goodreads.com/hostedimages/1473535136i/20478339._SX540_.jpg

all of them handpainted on real paper.

Noice.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Mar 26, 2021, 02:41:48 AM
I wonder why people pay for this at all. At least those who are aware of the infamous and shameless practices
and are passionately complaining about it. And how many folks from here have bought this?  :laugh:


(https://s4.gifyu.com/images/tenor-755429b8635489df0.gif)
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: SM on Mar 26, 2021, 02:57:51 AM
I haven't.

But I probably will at some point.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 26, 2021, 04:30:48 AM
Quote from: Xiggz456 on Mar 26, 2021, 12:58:59 AM
Quote from: RidgeTop on Mar 25, 2021, 11:50:08 PM
Quote from: SM on Mar 25, 2021, 11:18:23 PM
I think publicly shitting on one of his colourists and making sure everyone knew she was a woman might qualify?

Certainly not a good look. Frankly he's lucky he has a good colorist for this Alien comic.

Also has straight up stolen from DeviantArt. I like how they call it a "mistake."

https://screenrant.com/marvel-comics-error-deviant-art-canon-mistake/

As Voodoo said, I've been going down a rabbit hole lately, and yes, it is possible that this happened more under Dark Horse than we realized...

(https://i.imgur.com/MQUtf4d.png)

This was from a comic we really praised the art of as well.

I don't think all the criticism should be levied at the artists though, this is a big problem with the industry itself, crushing deadlines and all that.

But some artists like Land and Larroca seem particularly blatant about it, and that should also be called out.

I don't think people understand how labor intensive it is to do 100+ pieces of art for a single issue comic in one month's time. Artists are going to cut corners or face missing deadlines which could lead to less opportunities down the line. But, unfortunately if this is something that's going to overly bother people than maybe they should just not read the comics.

We get it, you're a supporter, you can stop defending shitty artists and shittier practices now.

Demand better, going along with it, actually helps nobody.

Not the creator, not the consumer, not even the damn company in the long run.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: RidgeTop on Mar 26, 2021, 05:33:17 AM
Let's keep things from getting personal, folks. It's perfectly fine to enjoy the comic if you're into it, it's also fair for people to call this stuff out and avoid the comic because of it.

Quote from: 426Buddy on Mar 25, 2021, 11:38:46 PM
Just for clarification I didn't mean to slight you Ridgetop with that comment. I just noticed you're not big on seeing the prequel stuff make its way into the rest of the series so I assumed incorrectly that's why it stood out to you. No malice or hostility meant with that comment, and saying "hate" was just hyperbole

Thanks for the clarification. No harm, no foul.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: [cancerblack] on Mar 26, 2021, 08:07:05 AM
Quote from: Xiggz456 on Mar 26, 2021, 12:58:59 AM
I don't think people understand how labor intensive it is to do 100+ pieces of art for a single issue comic in one month's time.

I have some experience here and this is a valid point.


QuoteArtists are going to cut corners or face missing deadlines which could lead to less opportunities down the line.

This is a problem with the industry and in particular, certain publishers. It might be how it goes, but that doesn't make it acceptable, either as working conditions for artists or as end results.


QuoteBut, unfortunately if this is something that's going to overly bother people than maybe they should just not read the comics.

I don't.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Xiggz456 on Mar 26, 2021, 12:00:21 PM
Quote from: Trash Queen on Mar 26, 2021, 04:30:48 AM
Quote from: Xiggz456 on Mar 26, 2021, 12:58:59 AM
Quote from: RidgeTop on Mar 25, 2021, 11:50:08 PM
Quote from: SM on Mar 25, 2021, 11:18:23 PM
I think publicly shitting on one of his colourists and making sure everyone knew she was a woman might qualify?

Certainly not a good look. Frankly he's lucky he has a good colorist for this Alien comic.

Also has straight up stolen from DeviantArt. I like how they call it a "mistake."

https://screenrant.com/marvel-comics-error-deviant-art-canon-mistake/

As Voodoo said, I've been going down a rabbit hole lately, and yes, it is possible that this happened more under Dark Horse than we realized...

(https://i.imgur.com/MQUtf4d.png)

This was from a comic we really praised the art of as well.

I don't think all the criticism should be levied at the artists though, this is a big problem with the industry itself, crushing deadlines and all that.

But some artists like Land and Larroca seem particularly blatant about it, and that should also be called out.

I don't think people understand how labor intensive it is to do 100+ pieces of art for a single issue comic in one month's time. Artists are going to cut corners or face missing deadlines which could lead to less opportunities down the line. But, unfortunately if this is something that's going to overly bother people than maybe they should just not read the comics.

We get it, you're a supporter, you can stop defending shitty artists and shittier practices now.

Demand better, going along with it, actually helps nobody.

Not the creator, not the consumer, not even the damn company in the long run.

We get it, you're not getting the comic, you can get the f**k off this thread now.

Quote from: [cancerblack] on Mar 26, 2021, 08:07:05 AM
Quote from: Xiggz456 on Mar 26, 2021, 12:58:59 AM
I don't think people understand how labor intensive it is to do 100+ pieces of art for a single issue comic in one month's time.

I have some experience here and this is a valid point.


QuoteArtists are going to cut corners or face missing deadlines which could lead to less opportunities down the line.

This is a problem with the industry and in particular, certain publishers. It might be how it goes, but that doesn't make it acceptable, either as working conditions for artists or as end results.


QuoteBut, unfortunately if this is something that's going to overly bother people than maybe they should just not read the comics.

I don't.

I agree but unabashed capitalism is the norm here in the States so as an artist you either play the game so as to stay a working artist or face the soul crushing possibility of getting a "real job".
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: 426Buddy on Mar 26, 2021, 12:06:04 PM
Quote from: Xiggz456 on Mar 26, 2021, 12:00:21 PM
Quote from: Trash Queen on Mar 26, 2021, 04:30:48 AM
Quote from: Xiggz456 on Mar 26, 2021, 12:58:59 AM
Quote from: RidgeTop on Mar 25, 2021, 11:50:08 PM
Quote from: SM on Mar 25, 2021, 11:18:23 PM
I think publicly shitting on one of his colourists and making sure everyone knew she was a woman might qualify?

Certainly not a good look. Frankly he's lucky he has a good colorist for this Alien comic.

Also has straight up stolen from DeviantArt. I like how they call it a "mistake."

https://screenrant.com/marvel-comics-error-deviant-art-canon-mistake/

As Voodoo said, I've been going down a rabbit hole lately, and yes, it is possible that this happened more under Dark Horse than we realized...

(https://i.imgur.com/MQUtf4d.png)

This was from a comic we really praised the art of as well.

I don't think all the criticism should be levied at the artists though, this is a big problem with the industry itself, crushing deadlines and all that.

But some artists like Land and Larroca seem particularly blatant about it, and that should also be called out.

I don't think people understand how labor intensive it is to do 100+ pieces of art for a single issue comic in one month's time. Artists are going to cut corners or face missing deadlines which could lead to less opportunities down the line. But, unfortunately if this is something that's going to overly bother people than maybe they should just not read the comics.

We get it, you're a supporter, you can stop defending shitty artists and shittier practices now.

Demand better, going along with it, actually helps nobody.

Not the creator, not the consumer, not even the damn company in the long run.

We get it, you're not getting the comic, you can get the f**k off this thread now.

Quote from: [cancerblack] on Mar 26, 2021, 08:07:05 AM
Quote from: Xiggz456 on Mar 26, 2021, 12:58:59 AM
I don't think people understand how labor intensive it is to do 100+ pieces of art for a single issue comic in one month's time.

I have some experience here and this is a valid point.


QuoteArtists are going to cut corners or face missing deadlines which could lead to less opportunities down the line.

This is a problem with the industry and in particular, certain publishers. It might be how it goes, but that doesn't make it acceptable, either as working conditions for artists or as end results.


QuoteBut, unfortunately if this is something that's going to overly bother people than maybe they should just not read the comics.

I don't.

I agree but unabashed capitalism is the norm here in the States so as an artist you either play the game so as to stay a working artist or face the soul crushing possibility of getting a "real job".

Nauseating post
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Prez on Mar 26, 2021, 12:09:37 PM
Wow haven't seen this much division since Prometheus was released  :D
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Mar 26, 2021, 12:13:44 PM
Come-on folk. Can we not be having a go at each other over this?
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 26, 2021, 12:26:59 PM
Quote from: Xiggz456 on Mar 26, 2021, 12:00:22 PM
We get it, you're not getting the comic, you can get the f**k off this thread now.

(https://media2.giphy.com/media/cKWFoPB7bzwk6dTRQl/giphy.gif)

Quote from: Xiggz456 on Mar 26, 2021, 12:00:22 PM
I agree but unabashed capitalism is the norm here in the States so as an artist you either play the game so as to stay a working artist or face the soul crushing possibility of getting a "real job".

(https://media.tenor.com/images/68e9bfe66860c648cd892ad7f243bd6e/tenor.gif)
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Mar 26, 2021, 12:32:57 PM
Enough.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: SM on Mar 26, 2021, 12:55:29 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 26, 2021, 08:58:30 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Mar 26, 2021, 01:41:14 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 25, 2021, 04:04:39 PM
First day I've felt human for a good few months. Not rushed off my feet, and not wanting to take everyone out.

You'll be back to dropping F-bombs like Gordon Ramsay in no time.

Of that I have no doubt.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Mar 26, 2021, 01:19:00 PM
Staff have asked 5 times. 5 times. This makes 6. This conversation can be had without the personal digs. Now I know some have been made, but that's not a reason to keep it going with more. It is done with. If you can't discuss the issue without resorting to insulting each other, do not discuss it at all. Any attempts to continue that discourse will just be deleted.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 26, 2021, 06:42:45 PM
Art controversy aside, is the story any good?
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: RidgeTop on Mar 26, 2021, 07:06:07 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Mar 26, 2021, 06:42:45 PM
Art controversy aside, is the story any good?

Not enough to go on to tell yet. Has me intrigued.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: SpaceKase on Mar 26, 2021, 07:08:02 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Mar 26, 2021, 06:42:45 PM
Art controversy aside, is the story any good?

Kinda too early to tell yet, we're still in the expositional first tidbit, it seems to have some potential, though who knows which direction it could go in.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Mar 26, 2021, 07:15:28 PM
For a first episode, if you will, I thought it was rather good. It left me looking forward to the second issue.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: TNF on Mar 26, 2021, 08:13:47 PM
Long-time franchise fan, first-time reader of the comics/novels of years ago, so this thread taught me things to factor into that adventure (thanks for that AvPGalaxy).

Twice, I've had artwork of mine show up in licensed products and am thankful for friends who'll point that out. I have no idea if it was nabbed from my site or some clipped version posted to Pinterest, to be honest. But I don't draw for a living, so the livelihood stakes are not as high for me as for the pros; but it is irksome nonetheless.

After recently seeing over 2,000 site hits in a single day, I wonder what other things of mine might show up somewhere in print (God help 'em if they're that desperate!).

I pulled the trigger on this Marvel marvel and have subscribed. I'll enjoy getting in on the ground floor and following the journey..
Title: Re: Marvel\'s First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Kradan on Mar 26, 2021, 08:42:06 PM
Quote from: RidgeTop on Mar 25, 2021, 11:50:08 PM
Quote from: SM on Mar 25, 2021, 11:18:23 PM
I think publicly shitting on one of his colourists and making sure everyone knew she was a woman might qualify?

Certainly not a good look. Frankly he's lucky he has a good colorist for this Alien comic.

Also has straight up stolen from DeviantArt. I like how they call it a "mistake."

https://screenrant.com/marvel-comics-error-deviant-art-canon-mistake/

As Voodoo said, I've been going down a rabbit hole lately, and yes, it is possible that this happened more under Dark Horse than we realized...

(https://i.imgur.com/MQUtf4d.png)

This was from a comic we really praised the art of as well.

I don't think all the criticism should be levied at the artists though, this is a big problem with the industry itself, crushing deadlines and all that.

But some artists like Land and Larroca seem particularly blatant about it, and that should also be called out.

How haven't I noticed it ? I'm the biggest fan of that movie ! I mean, I saw right away that it's The Predator ship interior but didn't thought it was traced from any particular shot in the movie


Quote from: RidgeTop on Mar 26, 2021, 05:33:17 AM
Quote from: 426Buddy on Mar 25, 2021, 11:38:46 PM
Just for clarification I didn't mean to slight you Ridgetop with that comment. I just noticed you're not big on seeing the prequel stuff make its way into the rest of the series so I assumed incorrectly that's why it stood out to you. No malice or hostility meant with that comment, and saying "hate" was just hyperbole

Thanks for the clarification. No harm, no foul.

You kinda had it coming since that Covenant 3-hour review episode where you put it below Requiem  :D
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Mar 26, 2021, 09:04:20 PM
Well that's only because Requiem is an under appreciated classic!
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 26, 2021, 09:12:51 PM
What about the gore?  A lot of people were worried that Marvel would sanitize it.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: RidgeTop on Mar 26, 2021, 09:39:41 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Mar 26, 2021, 09:12:51 PM
What about the gore?  A lot of people were worried that Marvel would sanitize it.

Spoiler
Pretty significantly bloody shotgun blast to the head stood out, not much else.
[close]
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Mar 26, 2021, 09:52:52 PM
Quote from: RidgeTop on Mar 26, 2021, 09:39:41 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Mar 26, 2021, 09:12:51 PM
What about the gore?  A lot of people were worried that Marvel would sanitize it.

Spoiler
Pretty significantly bloody shotgun blast to the head stood out, not much else.
[close]

A pic:
Spoiler
(https://i.ibb.co/n1N1nhV/Screenshot-20210326-174826-Marvel-Comics.jpg)
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Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Huggs on Mar 26, 2021, 09:56:45 PM
That'll clear the boogers out.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Kimarhi on Mar 26, 2021, 11:01:58 PM
.....is that a double barrel pump action shotgun?
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Huggs on Mar 26, 2021, 11:12:43 PM
Looks like a semi auto with an extension for the mag tube underneath.

It's not 2 barrels, as the top tube is visibly longer than the bottom. Even the ejected shells are two different lengths and sizes. Like some kind of 10 gauge mini shell and a 12 gauge birdshot.

I'd say chock it up to artistic license.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: RidgeTop on Mar 26, 2021, 11:32:15 PM
Quote from: Kimarhi on Mar 26, 2021, 11:01:58 PM
.....is that a double barrel pump action shotgun?

SPAS-12 semi auto. Odd to see a contemporary weapon like that 180 years in the future. Would much prefer seeing new or established weapon designs.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Huggs on Mar 26, 2021, 11:38:04 PM
That poor cat though.

Quote from: RidgeTop on Mar 26, 2021, 11:32:15 PM
Quote from: Kimarhi on Mar 26, 2021, 11:01:58 PM
.....is that a double barrel pump action shotgun?

SPAS-12 semi auto. Odd to see a contemporary weapon like that 180 years in the future. Would much prefer seeing new or established weapon designs.

Covenant did the same thing, unfortunately.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: RidgeTop on Mar 26, 2021, 11:46:00 PM
Quote from: Huggs on Mar 26, 2021, 11:38:04 PM
Covenant did the same thing, unfortunately.

Yes they were AUGs, we complained about that too, but at least they made them look a little distinct.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Kimarhi on Mar 27, 2021, 02:44:30 AM
Quote from: Huggs on Mar 26, 2021, 11:12:43 PM
Looks like a semi auto with an extension for the mag tube underneath.

It's not 2 barrels, as the top tube is visibly longer than the bottom. Even the ejected shells are two different lengths and sizes. Like some kind of 10 gauge mini shell and a 12 gauge birdshot.

I'd say chock it up to artistic license.

I was just thinking the dude had to be pretty quick on the pump to drop two shells like that, especially if he wasnt going to target anything else but the noggin.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Engineer on Mar 27, 2021, 05:07:55 AM
The art is horrendous!
Larocca should be taken off this series!
(And Greg Land never be allowed to touch it again too)

No matter how good the story is, the art is going to drag it down! That's 50% of the experience right there!

That being said, the story was... unremarkable.

The only positive I saw in this first issue was that marvel didn't water down the violence, which I never thought they'd do in the first place.

I really hope they turn this around, put a better and more reputable artist on the series and that the story picks up in all the right ways.

(I miss Tristan Jones)
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 27, 2021, 12:23:02 PM
Yep I'll always argue art's more than half the medium.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: hawkangel on Mar 27, 2021, 01:42:13 PM
Read the first issue. I did enjoy it but yes, too early to tell if this is a good story. Intrigued to know if the Alpha is one of the Ripley clones as someone mentioned in this thread which is also the female in the dream sequence.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 27, 2021, 01:48:16 PM
Quote from: hawkangel on Mar 27, 2021, 01:42:13 PM
Read the first issue. I did enjoy it but yes, too early to tell if this is a good story. Intrigued to know if the Alpha is one of the Ripley clones as someone mentioned in this thread which is also the female in the dream sequence.

This is well before Alien: Resurrection or the creation of the USM, so I don't think there's any way the Alpha could be a Ripley clone unless the comic reveals that cloning Ripley was a project that Weyland-Yutani kickstarted before the USM eventually took over.

But WY has a ton of Aliens here, so I don't really know what reason they would even have for trying to clone Ripley. Aliens don't seem to be rare in this story.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: judge death on Mar 27, 2021, 02:31:37 PM
If they arent rare and they have lots of them and its pretty much known, it will be very hard to fit it properly and explain why its said in alien resurrection for all meaningful and known purposes the species was wiped out by ripley in the last 200 years.

So now we have this and if weyland is well aware of this and marines too and they have aliens all over then its a bit ignoring what has been established.

Story from what I read seems okayish if you are deep alien fan and can ignore parts, its great for those who dont care or know much of the alien universe I would say after reading reviews.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 27, 2021, 02:53:31 PM
That's been a pretty significant conundrum in every iteration of the expanded universe since 1997.

Which is one of many reasons I'm pretty nonchalant when it comes to canon. At the end of the day, if a story is interesting, then cool. Everything doesn't have to fit together like puzzle pieces.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Engineer on Mar 27, 2021, 03:15:42 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 27, 2021, 02:53:31 PM
That's been a pretty significant conundrum in every iteration of the expanded universe since 1997.

Which is one of many reasons I'm pretty nonchalant when it comes to canon. At the end of the day, if a story is interesting, then cool. Everything doesn't have to fit together like puzzle pieces.

Funny enough, I saw somewhere that Phillip Kennedy Johnson was taking care not to retcon anything but he's immediately kicking off the series with what is pretty much a retcon of resurrection. That's something I'm not really complaining about... but it makes me wonder if he even knows what he's talking about half the time?
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 27, 2021, 04:04:43 PM
Quote from: Engineer on Mar 27, 2021, 03:15:42 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 27, 2021, 02:53:31 PM
That's been a pretty significant conundrum in every iteration of the expanded universe since 1997.

Which is one of many reasons I'm pretty nonchalant when it comes to canon. At the end of the day, if a story is interesting, then cool. Everything doesn't have to fit together like puzzle pieces.

Funny enough, I saw somewhere that Phillip Kennedy Johnson was taking care not to retcon anything but he's immediately kicking off the series with what is pretty much a retcon of resurrection. That's something I'm not really complaining about... but it makes me wonder if he even knows what he's talking about half the time?

In an interview I listened to with him, I think he said something along the lines of only really referencing Alien and Aliens (despite liking the other films and riffing on elements from them) because he has a feeling that once Disney/20th Century Studios is said and done, the films post-Aliens won't be canon anymore.

Given that this is all speculation on his part, it seems to me that 20th hasn't officially decreed anything... which also makes think that expanded universe stuff, at least for now, is going to be as all over the place canon-wise under Marvel as it was under Dark Horse.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Engineer on Mar 27, 2021, 04:09:04 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 27, 2021, 04:04:43 PM
Quote from: Engineer on Mar 27, 2021, 03:15:42 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 27, 2021, 02:53:31 PM
That's been a pretty significant conundrum in every iteration of the expanded universe since 1997.

Which is one of many reasons I'm pretty nonchalant when it comes to canon. At the end of the day, if a story is interesting, then cool. Everything doesn't have to fit together like puzzle pieces.

Funny enough, I saw somewhere that Phillip Kennedy Johnson was taking care not to retcon anything but he's immediately kicking off the series with what is pretty much a retcon of resurrection. That's something I'm not really complaining about... but it makes me wonder if he even knows what he's talking about half the time?

In an interview I listened to with him, I think he said something along the lines of only really referencing Alien and Aliens (despite liking the other films and riffing on elements from them) because he has a feeling that once Disney/20th Century Studios is said and done, the films post-Aliens won't be canon anymore.

Given that this is all speculation on his part, it seems to me that 20th hasn't officially decreed anything... which also makes think that expanded universe stuff, at least for now, is going to be as all over the place canon-wise under Marvel as it was under Dark Horse.

Fair enough; in that case I stand corrected.

I'm still unimpressed by the writer and highly disappointed with the artist.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: SpaceKase on Mar 27, 2021, 08:32:46 PM
Quote from: judge death on Mar 27, 2021, 02:31:37 PM
If they arent rare and they have lots of them and its pretty much known, it will be very hard to fit it properly and explain why its said in alien resurrection for all meaningful and known purposes the species was wiped out by ripley in the last 200 years.

So now we have this and if weyland is well aware of this and marines too and they have aliens all over then its a bit ignoring what has been established.

Story from what I read seems okayish if you are deep alien fan and can ignore parts, its great for those who dont care or know much of the alien universe I would say after reading reviews.

Yeah, but when we talk about famous figures of history and the fine details of events from 1821, how accurately are we truly speaking? Usually we're working off of sketchy information pieced together from skewed and disparate sources and filling in the blanks with our propagandized fantasy of the myths and legends we're told along the way. There's no more USCMC in Resurrection and there's no more Weyland-Yutani, and God only knows what blatherskite slant of history Walmart is pumping into people's corporate sponsored educations in the dystopic 24th Century. So there's at least some wiggle room. Also, there are several alternate continuities in the EU media already and this is potentially just one more.
Title: Re: Marvel's Traced Alien Emporium
Post by: [cancerblack] on Mar 27, 2021, 09:05:28 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 27, 2021, 02:53:31 PM
Everything doesn't have to fit together like puzzle pieces.

Good luck convincing anyone of this simple truth though.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: judge death on Mar 27, 2021, 09:07:40 PM
Just say its non canon and you can do whatever you want, easy :P

Like what star wars empire at war did when you start it: all events and everything in this game is not canon.
Title: Re: Marvel's Traced Alien Emporium
Post by: [cancerblack] on Mar 27, 2021, 09:10:03 PM
Which means you'll eternally still be getting people claiming differing levels of importance or validity to different entries.
Title: Re: Marvel's Traced Alien Emporium
Post by: judge death on Mar 27, 2021, 09:12:10 PM
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Mar 27, 2021, 09:10:03 PM
Which means you'll eternally still be getting people claiming differing levels of importance or validity to different entries.
Seems to work well in star wars:
Canon.
everything else is legends. Only older fans have issues with it as much of the legends stuff was canon earlier, but this is why disney went in and made it clear. Wont ever make everyone 100% although.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: [cancerblack] on Mar 27, 2021, 09:17:43 PM
I was under the impression the post-Disney SW films were divisive though?
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Mar 27, 2021, 09:21:03 PM
Even with the disapproval of the Sequel Trilogy and old EU reduced to legend, Disney achieve real redemption with Mandalorian and the Clone Wars finale.They need to deliver stunning things with Alien & Predator IPs. I mean, any decision, however controversial for some, will be undermined by success.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: [cancerblack] on Mar 27, 2021, 10:00:24 PM
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Mar 27, 2021, 09:05:28 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 27, 2021, 02:53:31 PM
Everything doesn't have to fit together like puzzle pieces.

Good luck convincing anyone of this simple truth though.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Kimarhi on Mar 27, 2021, 10:11:10 PM
Seeing how much money is made from film and tv I don't think it really matters what the EU does until they decide for sure what they want to do with those. 

It might even be better for them to orient it in a way that there is no continuity with the films, just like DH did.  That way nobody cares that all of a sudden the top secret xenomorphs are known enough that you no longer have a Patna flying halfway across the galaxy to try and pick one up.  There are reserves enough for them to just get Aliens from where they need them. 
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: SM on Mar 27, 2021, 10:29:06 PM
Quote from: SpaceKase on Mar 27, 2021, 08:32:46 PM
Quote from: judge death on Mar 27, 2021, 02:31:37 PM
If they arent rare and they have lots of them and its pretty much known, it will be very hard to fit it properly and explain why its said in alien resurrection for all meaningful and known purposes the species was wiped out by ripley in the last 200 years.

So now we have this and if weyland is well aware of this and marines too and they have aliens all over then its a bit ignoring what has been established.

Story from what I read seems okayish if you are deep alien fan and can ignore parts, its great for those who dont care or know much of the alien universe I would say after reading reviews.

Yeah, but when we talk about famous figures of history and the fine details of events from 1821, how accurately are we truly speaking? Usually we're working off of sketchy information pieced together from skewed and disparate sources and filling in the blanks with our propagandized fantasy of the myths and legends we're told along the way. There's no more USCMC in Resurrection and there's no more Weyland-Yutani, and God only knows what blatherskite slant of history Walmart is pumping into people's corporate sponsored educations in the dystopic 24th Century. So there's at least some wiggle room. Also, there are several alternate continuities in the EU media already and this is potentially just one more.

Assuming there's no information blackout, we'll know a great deal about current events in the future because there's so much information available.  Way more than we know about 1821.

That said we were planning a USM imposed 1984-esque info blackout at Fox over a century or so before Resurrection, where lots of stuff got memory-holed, so stories could be told post-Alien 3 and Resurrection could still exist as-is.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 27, 2021, 10:31:45 PM
Tie it into the Auton Rebellion, history repeats.

(https://i.imgur.com/o3Xy3Mz.gif?noredirect)
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: SM on Mar 27, 2021, 10:48:01 PM
Auton rebellion wasn't really linked in as that happened not long before Resurrection.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 27, 2021, 11:08:42 PM
I think it might work though, especially considering Call's motivations.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: SM on Mar 27, 2021, 11:12:13 PM
It might've, but it was very late in the piece of a concept that was invented to let everything co-exist.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 27, 2021, 11:41:11 PM
I thought that was The Big Deletion. ???
Title: Re: Marvel\\\'s First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: SpaceKase on Mar 27, 2021, 11:49:51 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Mar 27, 2021, 11:41:11 PM
I thought that was The Big Deletion. ???
That's the ideal reason, but that's AvP franchise and they're trying to keep that isolated from the solo Aliens franchise, so some other random thing has to be created to fill in the cause.


Quote from: SM on Mar 27, 2021, 10:29:06 PM

Assuming there's no information blackout, we'll know a great deal about current events in the future because there's no much information available.  Way more than we know about 1821.

That said we were planning a USM imposed 1984-esque info blackout at Fox over a century or so before Resurrection, where lots of stuff got memory-holed, so stories could be told post-Alien 3 and Resurrection could still exist as-is.

I was gonna say, that's a big ask. This is Dystopia, no one gets a clear undistorted picture except the powers that be. The examples are both AvP franchise but I think that was the conceit of the first chapter in Lebbon's RW, a few years before Resurrection, top secret projects. I think they took the same track in the infamous Aliens vs Predator vs Terminator. ::smh:: bless. I like to think of it as the unofficial fourth chapter of Xenogenesis.

I like the idea of the military imposed dark ages though, it conjures imagery of resistance cells and monks in secret enclaves preserving knowledge through illuminated manuscription. Sort of a Running Man meets Fahrenheit 451, or maybe the A Canticle for Leibowitz.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Kimarhi on Mar 28, 2021, 02:48:14 AM
The big deletion is the epitome of lazy writing that should never seriously be considered in anything that Marvel/Disney whoever ends up with the Alien franchise under Disney should ever consider.


There is no way a big deletion would work ESPECIALLY if you try to use it to cover up the Alien EARTH WAR that ended with the ALIENS STILL ON THE PLANET with many DIFFERENT CORPORATIONS IN CONTROL OF ALIEN SPECIMENS. 

It always annoyed the f**k out of me at how absolutely lazy that was when they tried to throw it out there to realign their EU into a more unified continuity. 

I remember it saying that it effectively reduced humanity to the stone age and then humanity recovered in 200 years.  Ridiculous.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: SM on Mar 28, 2021, 03:21:28 AM
Yeah that never worked.  And The Big Deletion wasn't going to change when David created the Aliens.

My idea is that the information was tightly controlled - not just Aliens - whatever the United Systems saw fit - "we've always been at war with Eastasia" etc.  Outside their jurisdiction it was a different matter but even then Aliens were treated as conspiracy theories and most who heard the conspiracy thought it was bullshit.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Kimarhi on Mar 28, 2021, 03:30:52 AM
I didn't even bother trying to fit it together.


I mean bombed out buildings and rebuilding things on earth after the EU earth war would take hundreds of years by itself.  I mean its 75 years after WWII and we are still digging unexploded ordnance from Europe.  Imagine workers just forgetting about having to unf**k skyskrapers full of Alien goo and dead human bodies.  Nobody is going to just stop remembering those horror stories. 


Alien Res didn't even need the big deletion.  They just ran out of Aliens in the movie timeline.  It is what it is there.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: SpaceKase on Mar 28, 2021, 04:07:04 AM
Quote from: Kimarhi on Mar 28, 2021, 02:48:14 AM
The big deletion is the epitome of lazy writing that should never seriously be considered in anything that Marvel/Disney whoever ends up with the Alien franchise under Disney should ever consider.


There is no way a big deletion would work ESPECIALLY if you try to use it to cover up the Alien EARTH WAR that ended with the ALIENS STILL ON THE PLANET with many DIFFERENT CORPORATIONS IN CONTROL OF ALIEN SPECIMENS. 

It always annoyed the f**k out of me at how absolutely lazy that was when they tried to throw it out there to realign their EU into a more unified continuity. 

I remember it saying that it effectively reduced humanity to the stone age and then humanity recovered in 200 years.  Ridiculous.

Probably not the Stone Age, more like, Capt Trips from The Stand level devastation, only with all data and tech blitzed out.  Essentially, Silver Smile from TCF.  Of course, just like any worthwhile modern doomsday, the real ruckus would come from the inhumanity of man upon man in the havoc wrought afterward. But again, the Big Deletion is the AvP franchise, so it's not much of an issue in that regard.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Kimarhi on Mar 28, 2021, 04:45:07 AM
The big deletion wouldn't work at getting rid of information because there are too many ways at maintaining information without having networked technology.

Humanity wouldn't just tumble all the way back to the stoneage, we'd go back to right where we were before the interstellar age where there are plenty of ways to record information.  When you walk up a hill you don't trip and fall to the bottom of the hill, you roll down and stop somewhere between the top and the bottom.

I maintain, it is LAZY attempt at a cure all.  The Big Deletion was only used to make people forget that Aliens had been on earth in the EU.  That is the problem.  Had they not been on Earth you could have used it more effectively.  As it stands within 200 years where the Aliens are still on Earth in the first place its just about the most half assed attempt at a reboot for a franchise I've ever seen.


OK guys, we will just have humanity collectively forget about the Aliens that are still running around on earth, because of a technology issue. 

Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: RidgeTop on Mar 28, 2021, 11:47:34 AM
Newsarama review. I think this nicely puts into words some feelings I had after reading through this comic.

https://www.gamesradar.com/alien-1-review-comic/?fbclid=IwAR0hLkT0JowrdjaPjg-3TSnm6F4AQW57ml07AWXeL-Cr-8Xoazpgwt84xC8
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Prez on Mar 28, 2021, 12:25:49 PM
... well I caved.

My curiosity got the better of me and well ... dammit ... I might as well read the damn thing and make my own judgement from there.

All I can say is I didn't honestly mind the story, I was interested enough but the artwork was soulless to me. Detailed and super clean enough but has no emotion so it took me right out of it at times. That key double spread we've all scene looks like one rushed photoshop comp.

I will admit that I probably subconsciously was paying a lot closer attention to the artwork given all that has been said on here. So I need to take that into consideration too.

Spoiler
So the SIL/Li inspired would seem to exist ... hmmm. Also hoofs? Hmmmm
[close]
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: SiL on Mar 28, 2021, 12:37:56 PM
I can hear Tristan weeping from Melbourne.

And this time I assume it's because people are financially supporting this monstrosity, not because he realised he lives in Melbourne.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Prez on Mar 28, 2021, 12:45:20 PM
Quote from: SiL on Mar 28, 2021, 12:37:56 PM
I can hear Tristan weeping from Melbourne.

And this time I assume it's because people are financially supporting this monstrosity, not because he realised he lives in Melbourne.

He's been quite vocal (likewise NECA too) on the socials.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: tyrannosaurusjones on Mar 28, 2021, 03:47:43 PM
Larocca's work is an insult to anyone that actual wants to draw these comics, and a spit in the face to anyone trying to break into the industry and failing.

The thing that drives me nuts is I can actually imagine this script being REALLY fun to draw.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: SM on Mar 28, 2021, 05:40:08 PM
Quote from: SiL on Mar 28, 2021, 12:37:56 PM
I can hear Tristan weeping from Melbourne.

And this time I assume it's because people are financially supporting this monstrosity, not because he realised he lives in Melbourne.

(https://media1.tenor.com/images/551f35d7aa5685a8a25318dbcde956cf/tenor.gif?itemid=5593554)
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 28, 2021, 06:35:15 PM
Is Melbourne like the Florida of Australia or something?
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: SM on Mar 28, 2021, 07:26:46 PM
Nah that's more like where SiL lives.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 28, 2021, 07:47:11 PM
Quote from: tyrannosaurusjones on Mar 28, 2021, 03:47:43 PM
Larocca's work is an insult to anyone that actual wants to draw these comics, and a spit in the face to anyone trying to break into the industry and failing.

The thing that drives me nuts is I can actually imagine this script being REALLY fun to draw.

Do you think Larroca knows damn well what he's doing is shitty or do you imagine him turning this artwork in with blithe pride?
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Xenomrph on Mar 28, 2021, 07:56:36 PM
Quote from: SM on Mar 28, 2021, 07:26:46 PM
Nah that's more like where SiL lives.
FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Kradan on Mar 28, 2021, 08:00:01 PM
SM v SiL: Yawn of Justice
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: SM on Mar 28, 2021, 08:03:01 PM
Not even that interesting.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Kimarhi on Mar 28, 2021, 08:09:06 PM
SM I thought you lived away from Straya now?
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: TNF on Mar 28, 2021, 08:15:51 PM
Quote from: SM on Mar 28, 2021, 03:21:28 AM
[...] The Big Deletion [...]
First I've heard of this thing. Alien gone "meta"...
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: SM on Mar 28, 2021, 08:20:23 PM
Quote from: Kimarhi on Mar 28, 2021, 08:09:06 PM
SM I thought you lived away from Straya now?

Nah still here.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 28, 2021, 08:22:55 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Apr 17, 2018, 12:52:56 PM
Will you go all Hollywood on us and drop your last name like Cher or Madonna and call yourself S?  Will you move the entire M clan to Seppoland for your new job?  Will you take an extended hiatus from AvPG like you did last time and become totally inaccessible?

Quote from: SM on Apr 17, 2018, 08:26:11 PM
Yes.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: SiL on Mar 28, 2021, 08:33:11 PM
Quote from: SM on Mar 28, 2021, 07:26:46 PM
Nah that's more like where SiL lives.
Specifically the Sunshine Coast. Gold Coast is more blackjack, hookers, and meth.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 28, 2021, 08:47:50 PM
How come we never get anyone from Perth around here?
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: SpaceKase on Mar 28, 2021, 10:10:38 PM
Quote from: The_Nostromo_Files on Mar 28, 2021, 08:15:51 PM
Quote from: SM on Mar 28, 2021, 03:21:28 AM
[...] The Big Deletion [...]
First I've heard of this thing. Alien gone "meta"...

It comes from literally a single line from a fairly obscure comic that came out to cross promote with the first AvP movie in 2004. It's set in the distant future and is not connected with the movie in any way aside from sharing certain lore things unique to that film. But once again, AvP franchise, not Aliens franchise, so those that feel consternation regarding it, in relation to this new comic or any of the 6 Alien films need not be distressed.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 28, 2021, 10:22:06 PM
Apparently it's also the trump card that allows the old EU to seamlessly remain canon and coexist with the movies that came after Alien 3.

Seamlessly!
Title: Re: Marvel\'s First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Prez on Mar 28, 2021, 10:33:44 PM
See. Being Australian we know that the reality is ... Australia will save the world ... One Tristan Jones drawing at a time.


Quote from: tyrannosaurusjones on Mar 28, 2021, 03:47:43 PM
Larocca's work is an insult to anyone that actual wants to draw these comics, and a spit in the face to anyone trying to break into the industry and failing.

The thing that drives me nuts is I can actually imagine this script being REALLY fun to draw.

That last line rings so true.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: SM on Mar 28, 2021, 10:38:09 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Mar 28, 2021, 10:22:06 PM
Apparently it's also the trump card that allows the old EU to seamlessly remain canon and coexist with the movies that came after Alien 3.

Seamlessly!

Without seam.

AvP - Civilised Beasts went into more detail about it, but not in any way that actually made it work.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Kimarhi on Mar 28, 2021, 11:02:16 PM
Big Deletion is one of those things like Engineers being big blue dudes in suits and David creating the Alien that just irks the shit out of me. 




I want to rip and tear whenever I hear it. 
Title: Re: Marvel\\\\\\\'s First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: TNF on Mar 28, 2021, 11:12:03 PM
Hmmm. Sounds somewhat like that EMT thing in Blade Runner 2049. 'cept with Aliens and disgruntled Company employees?



Quote from: SpaceKase on Mar 28, 2021, 10:10:38 PM
Quote from: The_Nostromo_Files on Mar 28, 2021, 08:15:51 PM
Quote from: SM on Mar 28, 2021, 03:21:28 AM
[...] The Big Deletion [...]
First I've heard of this thing. Alien gone "meta"...

It comes from literally a single line from a fairly obscure comic that came out to cross promote with the first AvP movie in 2004. It's set in the distant future and is not connected with the movie in any way aside from sharing certain lore things unique to that film. But once again, AvP franchise, not Aliens franchise, so those that feel consternation regarding it, in relation to this new comic or any of the 6 Alien films need not be distressed.
Thanks. Geez. I really need to crawl out from under my rock more often.


Quote from: Local Trouble on Mar 28, 2021, 10:22:06 PM
Apparently it's also the trump card that allows the old EU to seamlessly remain canon and coexist with the movies that came after Alien 3.

Seamlessly!
"Deus ex machina" ?


Quote from: SM on Mar 28, 2021, 10:38:09 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Mar 28, 2021, 10:22:06 PM
Apparently it's also the trump card that allows the old EU to seamlessly remain canon and coexist with the movies that came after Alien 3.

Seamlessly!

Without seam.

AvP - Civilised Beasts went into more detail about it, but not in any way that actually made it work.
I see Xenopedia has an article. <edification ensues>
Title: Re: Marvel\\\\\\\'s First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 28, 2021, 11:17:29 PM
Quote from: The_Nostromo_Files on Mar 28, 2021, 11:12:03 PM
I see Xenopedia has an article. <edification ensues>

I don't think Alien Theory had a video about it though.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: TNF on Mar 28, 2021, 11:26:16 PM
Every franchise seems fraught with such problems. Like no-ships in the Dune prequels...

I guess retconning "Resurrection" 200 years into the future would've been more difficult?
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: RidgeTop on Mar 28, 2021, 11:35:56 PM
Here's a little review video that I guest appeared on. 'The Comic Binge (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJzH7Zn2zrABRixTBeWm9JQ)' is a newer YouTube channel by Paul Hermann of the MCU Fan Show podcast (https://twitter.com/MCUFanshow). You may remember him from guesting with us last summer on our podcast when the Marvel license acquisition was announced.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynGdTh-50Fs&ab_channel=TheComicBinge
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 28, 2021, 11:37:48 PM
Quote from: The_Nostromo_Files on Mar 28, 2021, 11:26:16 PM
Every franchise seems fraught with such problems. Like no-ships in the Dune prequels...

I guess retconning "Resurrection" 200 years into the future would've been more difficult?

Every franchise needs a "canon commissar" like SM to veto or fix any continuity-breaking decisions.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: judge death on Mar 28, 2021, 11:49:55 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Mar 28, 2021, 11:37:48 PM
Quote from: The_Nostromo_Files on Mar 28, 2021, 11:26:16 PM
Every franchise seems fraught with such problems. Like no-ships in the Dune prequels...

I guess retconning "Resurrection" 200 years into the future would've been more difficult?

Every franchise needs a "canon commissar" like SM to veto or fix any continuity-breaking decisions.
I would vote yes to this :D Or add some more lore experts into a jury :P
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: TNF on Mar 29, 2021, 12:40:04 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Mar 28, 2021, 11:37:48 PM
Every franchise needs a "canon commissar" like SM to veto or fix any continuity-breaking decisions.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 29, 2021, 12:45:28 AM
"Who is this shadowy Australian fellow who keeps telling the studio what I can or can't do?" -Ridley Scott

Is what I would be thrilled to hear him say.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: SM on Mar 29, 2021, 12:51:53 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Mar 28, 2021, 08:47:50 PM
How come we never get anyone from Perth around here?

They're still on dial-up.

QuoteThanks. Geez. I really need to crawl out from under my rock more often.

You didn't miss much.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: TNF on Mar 29, 2021, 12:55:28 AM
 ;D

Guess so. I don't have to unlearn all that.

I've been digging around through the Prometheus news articles, wanting to re-read Ridley's words after all these years. In a 2009 AvPG news story posted by Darkness, the words "Looks like this new Alien movie is definitely happening..." glowed like green on a Mother VDT. I'd love to read those words again someday. 
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Mar 29, 2021, 07:39:48 AM
https://www.facebook.com/Unknowncomicbooks/photos/a.1912768015605849/2920284851520822

Can't say I immediately recognize it from somewhere else.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Nukiemorph on Mar 29, 2021, 07:53:07 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 29, 2021, 07:39:48 AM
https://www.facebook.com/Unknowncomicbooks/photos/a.1912768015605849/2920284851520822

Can't say I immediately recognize it from somewhere else.
Hope not, because I love it.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Prez on Mar 29, 2021, 11:49:38 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 29, 2021, 07:39:48 AM
https://www.facebook.com/Unknowncomicbooks/photos/a.1912768015605849/2920284851520822

Can't say I immediately recognize it from somewhere else.

Nice.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Mar 29, 2021, 01:16:25 PM
Das ist gut!
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: HuDaFuK on Mar 29, 2021, 01:18:01 PM
Yeah, liking that.

Some of the covers for this have been pretty good. Even some of the traced ones would've been sweet if they weren't JUST f**kING TRACED.
Title: Re: Marvel\'s First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: SpaceKase on Mar 29, 2021, 05:58:08 PM
Quote from: judge death on Mar 28, 2021, 11:49:55 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Mar 28, 2021, 11:37:48 PM
Quote from: The_Nostromo_Files on Mar 28, 2021, 11:26:16 PM
Every franchise seems fraught with such problems. Like no-ships in the Dune prequels...

I guess retconning "Resurrection" 200 years into the future would've been more difficult?

Every franchise needs a "canon commissar" like SM to veto or fix any continuity-breaking decisions.
I would vote yes to this :D Or add some more lore experts into a jury :P

Tell 'em, Steve-Dave!

Lol, but seriously, all tie-in media tends to exist through the application of wiggle-room. In the case of the mentioned controversy, the wiggle-room conceit is simply that Gen Perez is ostensibly not in full possession of the facts and thus his word is not necessarily gospel.


Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Mar 29, 2021, 01:16:25 PM
Das ist gut!

Totally agreed, I love it too, it's a bit like the Dave Dorman or John Bolton art from the old Bantam novel covers.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: TNF on Mar 29, 2021, 06:08:10 PM
So, Perez as the "unreliable narrator" ?
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Drukathi on Mar 29, 2021, 06:28:02 PM
Oh, be careful. It is not ground under your feet - it's a swamp.

The films are stories. Any story follows the contract between the storyteller and the viewer - what the characters say is an immutable fact, if the essence of the story is not in the deception of the viewer.

When Dallas in Alien says that the Space Jockey looks fossilized - well, Space Jockey fossilized. Ad Hominem - we can not doubt the words of Dallas. He is a proxy between story and us. A narrator, storyteller.
The same with our hero - General Perez is not an unreliable narrator. His words are facts. Until the AR will not be retconed.
Title: Re: Marvel\'s First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: SpaceKase on Mar 29, 2021, 06:38:29 PM
Quote from: The_Nostromo_Files on Mar 29, 2021, 06:08:10 PM
So, Perez as the "unreliable narrator" ?

Certainly. The wiggle-room conceit of Alien 3 was that the Queen squeezed out one (or two) final egg(s) aboard the dropship on their ride up from the planet, and/or depending on the version you watch, there was a special kind of unseen before facehugger that could impregnate more than one host. The wiggle-room conceit of Resurrection is that somehow there were genetic samples retrieved from Fury, presumably from some offscreen blood sampling that Clemens must have done on Ripley. Or maybe, there was some genetic material retrieved from the EEV like the conceit in Deep Black by Jonathan Maberry. Or even the conceit in the first place that the Atmo Processor detonation was strong enough to vaporize the distant Derelict craft and everything below all the way out past the Ilyium Range.


Quote from: Drukathi on Mar 29, 2021, 06:28:02 PM
Oh, be careful. It is not ground under your feet - it's a swamp.

The films are stories. Any story follows the contract between the storyteller and the viewer - what the characters say is an immutable fact, if the essence of the story is not in the deception of the viewer.

When Dallas in Alien says that the Space Jockey looks fossilized - well, Space Jockey fossilized. Ad Hominem - we can not doubt the words of Dallas. He is a proxy between story and us. A narrator, storyteller.
The same with our hero - General Perez is not an unreliable narrator. His words are facts. Until the AR will not be retconed.

Ha! Yeah man, no intention to start up David wars. I'm just illustrating the necessity of wiggle-room in continuing onward any kind of story like this and how it's been historically employed all over the franchise.

So from your example, any claim from subsequent media that the SJ wasn't non-figuratively fossilized requires that Dallas now be made retroactively unreliable to the audience. So the practice, as a whole, has become a necessary evil to the continuation of the franchise.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Drukathi on Mar 29, 2021, 07:01:42 PM
Not certainly in that way. If everything is taken retroactively, then everything will be unreliable. Stupid swamp, full of endless doubts like X-Files did. And while we do not see retcons - all words of Dallas and Perez are monolith.
Title: Re: Marvel\'s First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 29, 2021, 07:11:21 PM
Quote from: SpaceKase on Mar 29, 2021, 06:38:29 PMOr even the conceit in the first place that the Atmo Processor detonation was strong enough to vaporize the distant Derelict craft and everything below all the way out past the Ilyium Range.

Did it need to be vaporized to render the eggs non-viable?
Title: Re: Marvel\\\'s First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: SpaceKase on Mar 29, 2021, 07:30:25 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Mar 29, 2021, 07:11:21 PM
Quote from: SpaceKase on Mar 29, 2021, 06:38:29 PMOr even the conceit in the first place that the Atmo Processor detonation was strong enough to vaporize the distant Derelict craft and everything below all the way out past the Ilyium Range.

Did it need to be vaporized to render the eggs non-viable?

Anything's possible, all it takes is a hand-wavey mention or non-mention even. I don't recall, did they even mention the derelict or its eggs anywhere in the movie? How viable is a 200 year old filthy prison blood-sample or waste tissue scraping? As viable as the plot requires it to be, I guess.


Quote from: Drukathi on Mar 29, 2021, 07:01:42 PM
Not certainly in that way. If everything is taken retroactively, then everything will be unreliable. Stupid swamp, full of endless doubts like X-Files did. And while we do not see retcons - all words of Dallas and Perez are monolith.

lol, right? I mean 'certainly' with regards to the necessary conceit of any post AR story telling, namely, that in order for their existence it's required that Perez's statement be unreliable and non-absolute.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Drukathi on Mar 29, 2021, 07:52:26 PM
Ah, okay. Although I'm not sure I would like to get Post-AR film. In this case, it is better to erase Perez words with all AR. :D
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: SpaceKase on Mar 29, 2021, 08:54:48 PM
Quote from: Drukathi on Mar 29, 2021, 07:52:26 PM
Ah, okay. Although I'm not sure I would like to get Post-AR film. In this case, it is better to erase Perez words with all AR. :D

Or at lease erase his massive body hair.

...Aye, that was offsides, wasn't it? Sorry Dan Hedaya, and other persons of copious fur.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: HuDaFuK on Mar 30, 2021, 09:06:29 AM
The trouble with passing it off as Perez just not knowing is they wouldn't have gone to so much effort to get the Aliens back if they were hanging about somewhere else, as the EU implies. Indeed, according to the old EU, they're all over the place.

Given all the trouble the USM had getting the Queen, you have to say it was their last resort. Which basically backs up when Perez says.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: SpaceKase on Mar 30, 2021, 10:02:58 AM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Mar 30, 2021, 09:06:29 AM
The trouble with passing it off as Perez just not knowing is they wouldn't have gone to so much effort to get the Aliens back if they were hanging about somewhere else, as the EU implies. Indeed, according to the old EU, they're all over the place.

Given all the trouble the USM had getting the Queen, you have to say it was their last resort. Which basically backs up when Perez says.

Old EU? Which media specifically? Do you mean MJF's Original Sin and the AvPvT miniseries?
Why is modern day Iran going through so much effort to build a nuclear weapon if nukes are indeed all over the place? In 1986 we had over 70,000 hanging around on this planet alone, nowadays we're down to around a measly 15,000 or so. Thanks, Hippies.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: HuDaFuK on Mar 30, 2021, 10:12:55 AM
Quote from: SpaceKase on Mar 30, 2021, 10:02:58 AMOld EU? Which media specifically? Do you mean MJF's Original Sin and the AvPvT miniseries?

I mean the pre-Out of the Shadows stuff, which is when things were apparently reset.

I know the recent Titan and Dark Horse stuff has had Aliens increasingly popping up on numerous worlds, but they were even more prolific in the old Dark Horse stories. According to all those comics and novels, not only were the Aliens are all over the place but mankind often had ready access to them. Even if we assume humanity somehow completely forgot about all those encounters just because some computer records got deleted (lol), the Aliens themselves are still liberally distributed throughout the galaxy. So why would the USM need to fanny about cloning Ripley if that were true? (Answer: They wouldn't. Ergo Perez isn't just mistaken.)

The big deletion thing also falls down when you consider the fact that the USM apparently don't know about countless other Alien incidents in the interim, but do know that a woman named Ellen Ripley destroyed one on Fury 161.

Quote from: SpaceKase on Mar 30, 2021, 10:02:58 AMWhy is modern day Iran going through so much effort to build a nuclear weapon if nukes are indeed all over the place? In 1986 we had over 70,000 hanging around on this planet alone, nowadays we're down to around a measly 15,000 or so. Thanks, Hippies.

Because nukes are kept in hardened, guarded facilities. They're not just roaming free in a field somewhere for Iran to pick up.

Add to which Iran are merely trying to duplicate existing, proven technology. They're not pioneering groundbreaking science with a slim chance of success and substantial probability of failure just on the off chance they might succeed in their goals.

And we still know about the existence of the nukes.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Whiskeybrewer on Mar 30, 2021, 11:00:28 AM
Maybe a workaround is that many USM squads and other groups were killed/slaughtered trying to get living samples of the Xenomorph's.

With that much failure, they had to go for the wildest swing they could and use this old as all hell sample.

Even though that worked, they were still taken out by what they'd got

Hence Perez's line of "For all intensive purposes, she succeeded"
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Dachande on Mar 30, 2021, 12:08:32 PM
Quote from: Whiskeybrewer on Mar 30, 2021, 11:00:28 AM
Maybe a workaround is that many USM squads and other groups were killed/slaughtered trying to get living samples of the Xenomorph's.

With that much failure, they had to go for the wildest swing they could and use this old as all hell sample.

Even though that worked, they were still taken out by what they'd got

Hence Perez's line of "For all intensive purposes, she succeeded"

for all intents and purposes
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: SM on Mar 30, 2021, 12:18:07 PM
If both Perez and Call knew about Ripley and the Aliens the deletion wasn't terribly big.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Drukathi on Mar 30, 2021, 12:20:20 PM
Damn, Ripley - how dare you?! You are responsible for the fact that the general Perez and his subordinates have no choice!
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Mar 30, 2021, 01:13:54 PM
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/ef/ea/37/efea376532eab5644a44cf720ac864d3.jpg)
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: SpaceKase on Mar 30, 2021, 04:09:27 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Mar 30, 2021, 10:12:55 AM
Quote from: SpaceKase on Mar 30, 2021, 10:02:58 AMOld EU? Which media specifically? Do you mean MJF's Original Sin and the AvPvT miniseries?

I mean the pre-Out of the Shadows stuff, which is when things were apparently reset.

I know the recent Titan and Dark Horse stuff has had Aliens increasingly popping up on numerous worlds, but they were even more prolific in the old Dark Horse stories. According to all those comics and novels, not only were the Aliens are all over the place but mankind often had ready access to them. Even if we assume humanity somehow completely forgot about all those encounters just because some computer records got deleted (lol), the Aliens themselves are still liberally distributed throughout the galaxy. So why would the USM need to fanny about cloning Ripley if that were true? (Answer: They wouldn't. Ergo Perez isn't just mistaken.)

The big deletion thing also falls down when you consider the fact that the USM apparently don't know about countless other Alien incidents in the interim, but do know that a woman named Ellen Ripley destroyed one on Fury 161.

Quote from: SpaceKase on Mar 30, 2021, 10:02:58 AMWhy is modern day Iran going through so much effort to build a nuclear weapon if nukes are indeed all over the place? In 1986 we had over 70,000 hanging around on this planet alone, nowadays we're down to around a measly 15,000 or so. Thanks, Hippies.

Because nukes are kept in hardened, guarded facilities. They're not just roaming free in a field somewhere for Iran to pick up.

Add to which Iran are merely trying to duplicate existing, proven technology. They're not pioneering groundbreaking science with a slim chance of success and substantial probability of failure just on the off chance they might succeed in their goals.

And we still know about the existence of the nukes.

Wow, you seem pretty passionate about this, it'll take a little bit to address all these points, but I guess the more important question would be, what in your opinion would be a plausible explanation for any post Alien3 EU material to exist? It sounds like, in your opinion, this is something that's impossible to reconcile and therefore no stories can exist.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: HuDaFuK on Mar 30, 2021, 04:27:27 PM
I wouldn't say I'm passionate.

I just think the concept of the big deletion is a stupid solution to a problem that doesn't really exist. I don't see any need to try and shoe-horn the world of the comics into that of the films because, as Alien 3 and Resurrection have shown, it's fundamentally futile - the minute they bring out a new movie that changes things you're back to square one with trying to force everything to make sense. You're better off just forgetting about it and letting the EU be it's own thing imo.

Besides, the EU has enough trouble not contradicting itself, let alone the films on which it's based.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Mar 30, 2021, 04:50:59 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Mar 30, 2021, 04:27:27 PM
as Alien 3 and Resurrection have shown, it's fundamentally futile - the minute they bring out a new movie that changes things you're back to square one with trying to force everything to make sense. You're better off just forgetting about it and letting the EU be it's own thing imo.

Besides, the EU has enough trouble not contradicting itself, let alone the films on which it's based.

People who have only one continuity disagree with that.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Engineer on Mar 30, 2021, 05:16:55 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Mar 30, 2021, 04:27:27 PM
I wouldn't say I'm passionate.

I just think the concept of the big deletion is a stupid solution to a problem that doesn't really exist. I don't see any need to try and shoe-horn the world of the comics into that of the films because, as Alien 3 and Resurrection have shown, it's fundamentally futile - the minute they bring out a new movie that changes things you're back to square one with trying to force everything to make sense. You're better off just forgetting about it and letting the EU be it's own thing imo.

Besides, the EU has enough trouble not contradicting itself, let alone the films on which it's based.

I agree.

I prefer to think of it as alternative canons. Like branches on a tree. Trying to fit it all into one continuity is messy and unrealistic IMO.

The big deletion was just as messy as the "wilks/Billie" fix...
Title: Re: Marvel\'s First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: SpaceKase on Mar 30, 2021, 05:17:57 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Mar 30, 2021, 04:27:27 PM
I wouldn't say I'm passionate.

I just think the concept of the big deletion is a stupid solution to a problem that doesn't really exist. I don't see any need to try and shoe-horn the world of the comics into that of the films because, as Alien 3 and Resurrection have shown, it's fundamentally futile - the minute they bring out a new movie that changes things you're back to square one with trying to force everything to make sense. You're better off just forgetting about it and letting the EU be it's own thing imo.

Besides, the EU has enough trouble not contradicting itself, let alone the films on which it's based.

Don't count yourself out, you've written at length now so there's clearly some fire in that belly, I'm just trying to piece it all apart into smaller bits so I can more clearly understand where you're coming from.

Again, the Big Deletion is AvP franchise, not Aliens franchise. I'm not entirely certain what you're arguing, so I'm not quite sure how to respond.

This thread is about the newest piece of EU material, are you simply saying that EU material can't, in your opinion, exist and therefore there's no point in discussing them in threads such as this? Isn't the entire point of licensed EU material to have fun and shoe-horn more stories into the universe(s) created by the films? Has anyone in this thread tried to claim the EU does or should take precedence over films?



Quote from: Engineer on Mar 30, 2021, 05:16:55 PM

I prefer to think of it as alternative canons. Like branches on a tree. Trying to fit it all into one continuity is messy and unrealistic IMO.

The big deletion was just as messy as the "wilks/Billie" fix...

None of this is realistic, it's all just a matter of degrees and what people personally like and dislike, it can be as messy or as elegant as one chooses to make it, but IMO reality is typically much messier than fiction is. I'd contend that, if recent real world events have taught us nothing else, everyone carries around their own alternative canons about the world they walk around in everyday.

The Big Deletion in AvP is only as messy as you want it to be, but yes, in the Aliens franchise the "wilks/Billie" fix is a hot mess.
Title: Re: Marvel\\\'s First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Engineer on Mar 30, 2021, 05:49:14 PM
Quote from: SpaceKase on Mar 30, 2021, 05:17:57 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Mar 30, 2021, 04:27:27 PM
I wouldn't say I'm passionate.

I just think the concept of the big deletion is a stupid solution to a problem that doesn't really exist. I don't see any need to try and shoe-horn the world of the comics into that of the films because, as Alien 3 and Resurrection have shown, it's fundamentally futile - the minute they bring out a new movie that changes things you're back to square one with trying to force everything to make sense. You're better off just forgetting about it and letting the EU be it's own thing imo.

Besides, the EU has enough trouble not contradicting itself, let alone the films on which it's based.

Don't count yourself out, you've written at length now so there's clearly some fire in that belly, I'm just trying to piece it all apart into smaller bits so I can more clearly understand where you're coming from.

Again, the Big Deletion is AvP franchise, not Aliens franchise. I'm not entirely certain what you're arguing, so I'm not quite sure how to respond.

This thread is about the newest piece of EU material, are you simply saying that EU material can't, in your opinion, exist and therefore there's no point in discussing them in threads such as this? Isn't the entire point of licensed EU material to have fun and shoe-horn more stories into the universe(s) created by the films? Has anyone in this thread tried to claim the EU does or should take precedence over films?



Quote from: Engineer on Mar 30, 2021, 05:16:55 PM

I prefer to think of it as alternative canons. Like branches on a tree. Trying to fit it all into one continuity is messy and unrealistic IMO.

The big deletion was just as messy as the "wilks/Billie" fix...

None of this is realistic, it's all just a matter of degrees and what people personally like and dislike, it can be as messy or as elegant as one chooses to make it, but IMO reality is typically much messier than fiction is. I'd contend that, if recent real world events have taught us nothing else, everyone carries around their own alternative canons about the world they walk around in everyday.

The Big Deletion in AvP is only as messy as you want it to be, but yes, in the Aliens franchise the "wilks/Billie" fix is a hot mess.

Part of why the big deletion gets so messy is because it was a "fix" applied to when all 3 franchises were still considered one franchise. It was still sloppy even then imo, but now with all 3 being distinctly separate franchises, it causes a grey area... without resurrection, the big deletion isn't necessary, so even though the big deletion is only mentioned in an AVP comic, the concept is there because of an alien movie. So resurrection would kind of have to be both AVP and alien, existing in two separate franchises, and to us... ok that makes sense, it's not that hard to follow. But less familiar, causal fans or new fans are going to be confused out of their minds about what belongs in which franchises, and why.


PS. And that's only scratching the surface of it...
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: TNF on Mar 30, 2021, 05:53:54 PM
While we're crossing franchises, could this have been more effective? (https://thumbs.gfycat.com/FrankDescriptiveDove-mobile.mp4)
Title: Re: Marvel\\\'s First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Mar 30, 2021, 07:04:51 PM
Quote from: Engineer on Mar 30, 2021, 05:49:14 PM
Part of why the big deletion gets so messy is because it was a "fix" applied to when all 3 franchises were still considered one franchise. It was still sloppy even then imo, but now with all 3 being distinctly separate franchises, it causes a grey area... without resurrection, the big deletion isn't necessary, so even though the big deletion is only mentioned in an AVP comic, the concept is there because of an alien movie. So resurrection would kind of have to be both AVP and alien, existing in two separate franchises, and to us... ok that makes sense, it's not that hard to follow. But less familiar, causal fans or new fans are going to be confused out of their minds about what belongs in which franchises, and why.


PS. And that's only scratching the surface of it...

Who knows what Disney will do in the future, but when communicating to Predator fans, especially new Predator fans, I take comfort in the fact of just telling them... once they understand that there are three distinct licenses and guidelines therein to licensees... that all of Predator and AvP is one big continuity.

Which makes sense overall to them thankfully, with the Xeno skull in Predator 2 to the Hawkins Grave in AvPR. :)


(https://i.ibb.co/G51XyF4/IMG-20150810-163538-2.png)
Title: Re: Marvel\\\'s First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: SpaceKase on Mar 30, 2021, 07:32:29 PM
Quote from: Engineer on Mar 30, 2021, 05:49:14 PM

Part of why the big deletion gets so messy is because it was a "fix" applied to when all 3 franchises were still considered one franchise.

[...]but now with all 3 being distinctly separate franchises, it causes a grey area...


Oh, that super interesting, when where all three considered one license and by whom specifically? Was that the case in official circles? I've always understood it to be that the AvP franchise is the shared universe, ala Fire and Stone, and that Aliens and Pred are their separate constituent elements.

Quote

without resurrection, the big deletion isn't necessary, so even though the big deletion is only mentioned in an AVP comic, the concept is there because of an alien movie.

Was that officially revealed to be the case somewhere? Do you know where? I'd love to check that out.

Quote

So resurrection would kind of have to be both AVP and alien, existing in two separate franchises, and to us... ok that makes sense, it's not that hard to follow. But less familiar, causal fans or new fans are going to be confused out of their minds about what belongs in which franchises, and why.

PS. And that's only scratching the surface of it...

Would less familiar, casual, or new fans even be aware of the BD? What's below the surface? You've got my curiosity all piqued now.
Title: Re: Marvel\\\'s First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Engineer on Mar 30, 2021, 07:56:35 PM
Quote from: SpaceKase on Mar 30, 2021, 07:32:29 PM
Quote from: Engineer on Mar 30, 2021, 05:49:14 PM

Part of why the big deletion gets so messy is because it was a "fix" applied to when all 3 franchises were still considered one franchise.

[...]but now with all 3 being distinctly separate franchises, it causes a grey area...


Oh, that super interesting, when where all three considered one license and by whom specifically? Was that the case in official circles? I've always understood it to be that the AvP franchise is the shared universe, ala Fire and Stone, and that Aliens and Pred are their separate constituent elements.

Quote

without resurrection, the big deletion isn't necessary, so even though the big deletion is only mentioned in an AVP comic, the concept is there because of an alien movie.

Was that officially revealed to be the case somewhere? Do you know where? I'd love to check that out.

Quote

So resurrection would kind of have to be both AVP and alien, existing in two separate franchises, and to us... ok that makes sense, it's not that hard to follow. But less familiar, causal fans or new fans are going to be confused out of their minds about what belongs in which franchises, and why.

PS. And that's only scratching the surface of it...

Would less familiar, casual, or new fans even be aware of the BD? What's below the surface? You've got my curiosity all piqued now.

To be honest, I don't think anyone on the Fox payroll ever came out and outright said they were one franchise, but the way the EU seemed to bend to the movies strongly suggested as much. Maybe I read into that wrong I guess...

Fairly recently though, there has been some indication that Fox had decided to officially separate them. I think part of the reason for this was because Ridley Scott was pretty openly against the idea of AVP, and knowingly retconned the AVP movies with his prequels.

My interaction with most newer fans has been one of confusion. The best example i have is relating to the movies. The big deletion is a bit more obscure but all it takes is for a newer fan to scroll through a wiki site to find a reference to it. Most of the confusion I see come up relates to the fact that the AVP movies were retconned and stand alone as their own continuity now, separate from Scott's prequels, and confusion about fire and stone.

Since fire and stone came up though, where that gets confusing for a lot of people is with the "partial canon" status. The River of pain book ties in to the alien portion of fire and stone directly; and as such the alien part of fire & stone is considered canon to the alien universe... but the rest of the fire and stone series is not part of the alien series anymore, it's AVP... but on the AVP side of the fence, well, they have to also include the aliens part, the River of pain book and the "aliens" movie. It's just odd how some stories exist in more than one universe, then others don't.

The fire and stone series also started a new reboot of the EU so it ignores any of the older stories that existed up to that point. If you dig enough, I'm sure you'll find other continuity issues and contradictions throughout the EU. It's really an issue of multiple reboots taking place, pretty much every time a new movie came out starting with alien3. The EU really is at its best when it does its own thing and doesn't try so hard to conform to the movies. Like, for example, dead orbit; great story, just outside the main film universe enough to where it kind of stands alone and doesn't tie itself to closely to anything else.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Mar 30, 2021, 08:18:04 PM
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/kkc4_9YIqI0/hqdefault.jpg)

With the understanding everything has its separate license and separate revenue streams and its rules within for licensees...

"AVP" was once in continuity (and subsequently AVP-R), and designed as a prequel to "Alien".  Per Paul Anderson:


But once AVP's least favorite fan Ridley Scott got back into the game, Ridley retconned AVP out.  As per "Prometheus" writer Damion Lindeloff:

Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Whiskeybrewer on Mar 30, 2021, 11:25:20 PM
Quote from: Dachande on Mar 30, 2021, 12:08:32 PM
Quote from: Whiskeybrewer on Mar 30, 2021, 11:00:28 AM
Maybe a workaround is that many USM squads and other groups were killed/slaughtered trying to get living samples of the Xenomorph's.

With that much failure, they had to go for the wildest swing they could and use this old as all hell sample.

Even though that worked, they were still taken out by what they'd got

Hence Perez's line of "For all intensive purposes, she succeeded"

for all intents and purposes

Thats the most random autocorrect I've ever had lmao
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: SM on Mar 31, 2021, 02:13:13 AM
For a time licensing considered the AvP films and the first comic series with Machiko part of the Alien continuity, though the discrepancies were never directly addressed.  Had a great big web project at Fox gone ahead it would've had a timeline with entries addressing the Weyland of AvP and Weyland of Prometheus.

Management change at licensing and anything AvP (including the Aliens portion of Fire & Stone) was excised.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 31, 2021, 02:19:50 AM
Quote from: SM on Mar 31, 2021, 02:13:13 AM
Had a great big web project at Fox gone ahead it would've had a timeline with entries addressing the Weyland of AvP and Weyland of Prometheus.

Any idea how they intended to reconcile the two?
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: SM on Mar 31, 2021, 03:04:04 AM
Yes I have an idea.

The phone conversation went:

Me: 'Look they don't really fit, but I'm sure there's a way they could be made to fit.'
Them: 'Okay.  Could you do that for us?'
Me: '...'




Me: 'Uh, yeah okay.'
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 31, 2021, 03:23:17 AM
Did you ever come up with anything?
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: SM on Mar 31, 2021, 03:25:56 AM
Yes.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 31, 2021, 03:32:47 AM
Was it seamless?
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: SM on Mar 31, 2021, 03:41:38 AM
Not even remotely.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Xenomrph on Mar 31, 2021, 03:49:19 AM
Quote from: Whiskeybrewer on Mar 30, 2021, 11:00:28 AM
Maybe a workaround is that many USM squads and other groups were killed/slaughtered trying to get living samples of the Xenomorph's.

With that much failure, they had to go for the wildest swing they could and use this old as all hell sample.

Even though that worked, they were still taken out by what they'd got

Hence Perez's line of "For all intensive purposes, she succeeded"
This has been my workaround. There *are* other Alien samples out there, but they're outside the reach of anything Perez can get his hands on without attracting attention.

Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Mar 30, 2021, 07:04:51 PM
Quote from: Engineer on Mar 30, 2021, 05:49:14 PM
Part of why the big deletion gets so messy is because it was a "fix" applied to when all 3 franchises were still considered one franchise. It was still sloppy even then imo, but now with all 3 being distinctly separate franchises, it causes a grey area... without resurrection, the big deletion isn't necessary, so even though the big deletion is only mentioned in an AVP comic, the concept is there because of an alien movie. So resurrection would kind of have to be both AVP and alien, existing in two separate franchises, and to us... ok that makes sense, it's not that hard to follow. But less familiar, causal fans or new fans are going to be confused out of their minds about what belongs in which franchises, and why.


PS. And that's only scratching the surface of it...

Who knows what Disney will do in the future, but when communicating to Predator fans, especially new Predator fans, I take comfort in the fact of just telling them... once they understand that there are three distinct licenses and guidelines therein to licensees... that all of Predator and AvP is one big continuity.

Which makes sense overall to them thankfully, with the Xeno skull in Predator 2 to the Hawkins Grave in AvPR. :)


(https://i.ibb.co/G51XyF4/IMG-20150810-163538-2.png)
Here we go again. :P
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Mar 31, 2021, 04:07:32 AM
Quote from: Xenomrph on Mar 31, 2021, 03:49:19 AM
Here we go again. :P

Live it. Breathe it. Love it. 💘   ;)
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 31, 2021, 04:30:55 AM
Quote from: Xenomrph on Mar 31, 2021, 03:49:19 AM
Quote from: Whiskeybrewer on Mar 30, 2021, 11:00:28 AM
Maybe a workaround is that many USM squads and other groups were killed/slaughtered trying to get living samples of the Xenomorph's.

With that much failure, they had to go for the wildest swing they could and use this old as all hell sample.

Even though that worked, they were still taken out by what they'd got

Hence Perez's line of "For all intensive purposes, she succeeded"

This has been my workaround. There *are* other Alien samples out there, but they're outside the reach of anything Perez can get his hands on without attracting attention.

Because of the quarantine?
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: SM on Mar 31, 2021, 04:41:59 AM
That doesn't really fit with what Perez says though.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Drukathi on Mar 31, 2021, 07:03:06 AM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Mar 30, 2021, 08:18:04 PM
But once AVP's least favorite fan Ridley Scott got back into the game, Ridley retconned AVP out.  As per "Prometheus" writer Damion Lindeloff:


  • "When I said to [Ridley Scott], 'You know, Weyland was a character in one of the Alien Vs. Predator movies,' he just sort of looked at me like I had just slapped him in the face. That was the beginning, middle and end of all Alien Vs. Predator references in our story process."

God bless Sir Ridley Scott.

Maybe in the one bright day another strong director will retcon Alien3/AR. ::)
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 31, 2021, 08:05:38 AM
*dark day *weak director

EDIT: (Thought it pretty obvious I'm not calling Riddles anything btw, as that would be supremely bizarre given my post history, or attitude in general.) 
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: HuDaFuK on Mar 31, 2021, 09:08:48 AM
Calling Ridley a weak director is just laughable. He's a fantastic director. He's made several of the most iconic movies ever made.

He just has no eye for a good script.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Mar 31, 2021, 09:19:45 AM
He's just not a good writer. Not that he's written the script, but his influence on the narrative is to the detriment.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 31, 2021, 09:52:48 AM
I am not calling him that?

I am saying that retconning other entries in the franchise's not the sign of a particularly strong director.

It's a rebuttal to Drukathi's nonsense statement and nothing more.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Drukathi on Mar 31, 2021, 10:14:32 AM
That's what happens when people neglect to quote button.

In addition, I do not see any nonsense in my words. If you like Alien 3 - good for you. But remember - in the case of retcon, no one will take from you your precious film.

Also - it should be remembered that in the case of a successful retcon. No one will cry about Alien 3. Because... why? Oh yeah, because the film is still on the shelf and you can take it and, well... you know... watch!
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 31, 2021, 10:40:58 AM
The idea it will be a "bright day" and even requires a "strong director" -to come to fruition, that's the nonsensical part, other than that if you can stop putting words in my mouth it's appreciated.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: 426Buddy on Mar 31, 2021, 02:08:01 PM
Retconning half a franchise is just lazy story-telling and artistically bankrupt.

If that's what it takes to "save" a series then maybe it's time to let it die and come up with something else.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Mar 31, 2021, 02:25:00 PM
Quote from: 426Buddy on Mar 31, 2021, 02:08:01 PM
Retconning half a franchise is just lazy story-telling and artistically bankrupt.

I think technically it's a third now. But I'm not being facetious when I ask, does the amount of films being retconned (in your eyes) affect your opinion of it being lazy or artistically bankrupt? Like if they retconned just one film, say AR, would that change your opinion? (Genuinely asking)
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 31, 2021, 02:42:46 PM
I think it will disappointingly most likely indicate the absence of ingenuity.

Apart from that and verisimilitude being thrown to the wind...

I don't really care, I don't think continuity or canon necessarily give things validation, I think merit and authenticity do.
Title: Re: Marvel\'s First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Xenomrph on Mar 31, 2021, 03:57:26 PM
Quote from: SM on Mar 31, 2021, 04:41:59 AM
That doesn't really fit with what Perez says though.
He's speaking in metaphors ;)


Quote from: Trash Queen on Mar 31, 2021, 02:42:46 PM
I think it will disappointingly most likely indicate the absence of ingenuity.

Apart from that and verisimilitude being thrown to the wind...

I don't really care, I don't think continuity or canon necessarily give things validation, I think merit and authenticity do.
This is a good mindset.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Kradan on Mar 31, 2021, 05:39:13 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Mar 31, 2021, 02:25:00 PM
I think technically it's a third now. But I'm not being facetious when I ask, does the amount of films being retconned (in your eyes) affect your opinion of it being lazy or artistically bankrupt? Like if they retconned just one film, say AR, would that change your opinion? (Genuinely asking)

How about three fifths ?

(https://www.film.ru/sites/default/files/movies/posters/18480573-1122197.jpg)
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Mar 31, 2021, 05:52:46 PM
Quote from: Kradan on Mar 31, 2021, 05:39:13 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Mar 31, 2021, 02:25:00 PM
I think technically it's a third now. But I'm not being facetious when I ask, does the amount of films being retconned (in your eyes) affect your opinion of it being lazy or artistically bankrupt? Like if they retconned just one film, say AR, would that change your opinion? (Genuinely asking)

How about three fifths ?

(https://www.film.ru/sites/default/files/movies/posters/18480573-1122197.jpg)

Then there's 8/9 retconned for Halloween 2018 (or 5/6 if you remove the Rob Zombie reboot flicks and Season of the Witch).

And it was good!

(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/6161DOBUS-L._AC_SL1188_.jpg)
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 31, 2021, 05:58:59 PM
But a third or even half of them already ignored each other and just did whatever the wanted to anyway?
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: 426Buddy on Mar 31, 2021, 06:06:50 PM
Yeah thats not making the case for me, I think Halloween ran its course after the second film and should have just died.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Mar 31, 2021, 07:16:26 PM
Quote from: 426Buddy on Mar 31, 2021, 06:06:50 PM
Yeah thats not making the case for me, I think Halloween ran its course after the second film and should have just died.

That was just a response to Kradan. I was just trying to get into your headspace if you think you'd ever find a retcon acceptable under any condition, or is it all just artistically bankrupt.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: TNF on Mar 31, 2021, 07:21:15 PM
Hicks' video on this thread (https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=54406.msg2516414#msg2516414) traces the tangled trail of development we saw with Prometheus. Such a hot mess it must be, figuring out what to produce that'll sell well.
Title: Re: Marvel\'s First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 31, 2021, 10:15:18 PM
Quote from: Xenomrph on Mar 31, 2021, 03:57:26 PM
Quote from: SM on Mar 31, 2021, 04:41:59 AM
That doesn't really fit with what Perez says though.

He's speaking in metaphors ;)

What, like the Darmok aliens from Star Trek?
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 31, 2021, 10:24:22 PM
2004 When Chet born!
Title: Re: Marvel\'s First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: SM on Mar 31, 2021, 10:32:57 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Mar 31, 2021, 10:15:18 PM
Quote from: Xenomrph on Mar 31, 2021, 03:57:26 PM
Quote from: SM on Mar 31, 2021, 04:41:59 AM
That doesn't really fit with what Perez says though.

He's speaking in metaphors ;)

What, like the Darmok aliens from Star Trek?

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dvx3DLWVYAApTzH?format=jpg&name=medium)
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 31, 2021, 10:37:32 PM
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmedia1.giphy.com%2Fmedia%2FL3nfoGLjOTmwsyAri1%2Fgiphy.gif&hash=4b194b864bb8c92be19a3edb507732a3bcbbb813)
Title: Re: Marvel\'s First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: SpaceKase on Mar 31, 2021, 10:49:51 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Mar 31, 2021, 10:15:18 PM
Quote from: Xenomrph on Mar 31, 2021, 03:57:26 PM
Quote from: SM on Mar 31, 2021, 04:41:59 AM
That doesn't really fit with what Perez says though.

He's speaking in metaphors ;)

What, like the Darmok aliens from Star Trek?

Apone, when shit was unsecured!
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Prez on Mar 31, 2021, 10:50:44 PM
Tristan Jone's latest social posts ... highlighting yet again just how much outright copying goes on.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: SpaceKase on Mar 31, 2021, 11:29:01 PM
Quote from: Trash Queen on Mar 31, 2021, 10:24:22 PM
2004 When Chet born!

Hudson, when games were over.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: 426Buddy on Mar 31, 2021, 11:38:23 PM
Quote from: Prez on Mar 31, 2021, 10:50:44 PM
Tristan Jone's latest social posts ... highlighting yet again just how much outright copying goes on.

I don't have much social media, you should repost for us to enjoy :)
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Nukiemorph on Apr 01, 2021, 12:02:33 AM
He posted an update that it was apparently a joke.

https://twitter.com/Pulp_Comics/status/1377138775126462468

https://twitter.com/infinitespeech/status/1377285133162668038

https://twitter.com/tyrannojones/status/1377365795525722113
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Prez on Apr 01, 2021, 01:06:23 AM
Oh. A joke. Hmmm.

Strange.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Engineer on Apr 01, 2021, 01:15:01 AM
Quote from: Prez on Apr 01, 2021, 01:06:23 AM
Oh. A joke. Hmmm.

Strange.
It is April 1st in Australia already 🤷‍♂️
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Prez on Apr 01, 2021, 05:43:34 AM
Quote from: Engineer on Apr 01, 2021, 01:15:01 AM
Quote from: Prez on Apr 01, 2021, 01:06:23 AM
Oh. A joke. Hmmm.

Strange.
It is April 1st in Australia already 🤷‍♂️

True ... still... odd.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: SM on Apr 01, 2021, 06:43:23 AM
Purloining someones art, then inking it seems like it's playing a really long game for an April Fools prank.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Drukathi on Apr 01, 2021, 08:22:54 AM
Quote from: Prez on Apr 01, 2021, 05:43:34 AM
Quote from: Engineer on Apr 01, 2021, 01:15:01 AM
Quote from: Prez on Apr 01, 2021, 01:06:23 AM
Oh. A joke. Hmmm.

Strange.
It is April 1st in Australia already 🤷‍♂️

True ... still... odd.

Yes, perhaps the most awkward joke of the day.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Nukiemorph on Apr 01, 2021, 09:07:34 AM
I don't think the intent was an April Fool's joke, but a commentary on the art swiping situation.

But as Tristan also pointed out on Twitter, it probably would have been funnier if the artist just traced Greg Land's monstrosity instead.

https://twitter.com/tyrannojones/status/1377370754547806210

https://twitter.com/tyrannojones/status/1377423681647878146
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: SiL on Apr 01, 2021, 09:42:29 AM
This is like those shitty prank videos that are just mean-spirited acts of douchebaggery followed by "It's a prank, bro!". I feel for Tristan.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: EJA on Apr 02, 2021, 11:04:11 AM
With Marvel's Predator series looking like it's possibly cancelled, could the same thing happen to Alien?
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: 426Buddy on Apr 02, 2021, 11:23:58 AM
Quote from: EJA on Apr 02, 2021, 11:04:11 AM
With Marvel's Predator series looking like it's possibly cancelled, could the same thing happen to Alien?

That was an April fools joke...
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: EJA on Apr 02, 2021, 11:33:15 AM
Quote from: 426Buddy on Apr 02, 2021, 11:23:58 AM
Quote from: EJA on Apr 02, 2021, 11:04:11 AM
With Marvel's Predator series looking like it's possibly cancelled, could the same thing happen to Alien?

That was an April fools joke...

No, it's apparently legit.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Dachande on Apr 02, 2021, 12:11:06 PM
Quote from: EJA on Apr 02, 2021, 11:33:15 AM
Quote from: 426Buddy on Apr 02, 2021, 11:23:58 AM
Quote from: EJA on Apr 02, 2021, 11:04:11 AM
With Marvel's Predator series looking like it's possibly cancelled, could the same thing happen to Alien?

That was an April fools joke...

No, it's apparently legit.

Then wheres your proof?
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: EJA on Apr 02, 2021, 12:13:39 PM
Quote from: Dachande on Apr 02, 2021, 12:11:06 PM
Quote from: EJA on Apr 02, 2021, 11:33:15 AM
Quote from: 426Buddy on Apr 02, 2021, 11:23:58 AM
Quote from: EJA on Apr 02, 2021, 11:04:11 AM
With Marvel's Predator series looking like it's possibly cancelled, could the same thing happen to Alien?

That was an April fools joke...

No, it's apparently legit.

Then wheres your proof?

Well it's in the news, can't find any indication it's just a prank. Google it.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Dachande on Apr 02, 2021, 12:20:32 PM
Quote from: EJA on Apr 02, 2021, 12:13:39 PM
Quote from: Dachande on Apr 02, 2021, 12:11:06 PM
Quote from: EJA on Apr 02, 2021, 11:33:15 AM
Quote from: 426Buddy on Apr 02, 2021, 11:23:58 AM
Quote from: EJA on Apr 02, 2021, 11:04:11 AM
With Marvel's Predator series looking like it's possibly cancelled, could the same thing happen to Alien?

That was an April fools joke...

No, it's apparently legit.

Then wheres your proof?

Well it's in the news, can't find any indication it's just a prank. Google it.

The only thing I can see is a bleeding cool article, from April 1st.

Meanwhile all Predator covers on forbidden planet still have the release date of the beginning of May
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: EJA on Apr 02, 2021, 12:22:10 PM
The story's been picked up by other sites today.

Could creative differences be behind this? Studio interference?
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Dachande on Apr 02, 2021, 12:26:00 PM
Newsbreak, which literally just copied and pasted the article, and comicbook, which said its source was the bleeding cool article.

Just because other sites are claiming it does not make it true.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: 426Buddy on Apr 02, 2021, 12:27:21 PM
 :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Too funny
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series Announced!
Post by: Engineer on Apr 02, 2021, 01:17:51 PM
Quote from: EJA on Apr 02, 2021, 11:04:11 AM
With Marvel's Predator series looking like it's possibly cancelled, could the same thing happen to Alien?

Assuming this is true and not an April fools prank,
The article I saw said the predator series was delayed, not cancelled. It also says that people's orders have been cancelled (orders, not the series) which isn't that uncommon with a significant delay; it'll kind of depend on the region and vendor. I had a book I preordered once get cancelled on me after it was delayed, but all I needed to do was go back in and re-place the order.
Title: Re: Marvel's First Alien Series An