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Posted by Xenomorphine
 - May 28, 2017, 05:07:20 PM
I can retire safely in this knowledge. 8)
Posted by XenoHunter99
 - May 28, 2017, 02:09:06 PM
Quote from: Xenomorphine on May 27, 2017, 06:07:17 PM
Quote from: WABOR on May 27, 2017, 01:59:33 AM
AVP and AVPR aren't canon, they have nothing to do with the Predator Movies or the Alien Saga, the only thing they share is that they both are 20th Century Fox property's and where put into a comic crossover series by Dark Horse. From what I can tell Ridley Scott considers this his canon series: Prometheus, Covenant, Awakening, Paradise, Alien. (maybe Aliens too but probably not)

If we continue down this road, they're going to start being seen as having just as much validity as this new series of prequel films.
Which is to say, either no validity whatsoever or all-inclusive equal validity. I like the bigger universe. I like the AVP idea. I don't like the big bald human engineers. It's too lazy, too Star Trek and too poorly executed in the movies. I disagree with Dark Horse's stumpy-legged, bipedal elephantine engineers solution. It assumes the jockey's whole body was in the chair. I think that poor fellow was grown into the chair and couldn't move if he had to. But at least stumpy legs was an attempt based on what we saw in the original. I'm not in love with Fire & Stone, but at least it's bigger universe. I guess there was some push to have a unified canon eu, but it looks like that's going to end up in the tip. It appears all the Alien, Aliens, AVP EU is going to be equivalent of Star Wars legends. It includes good stuff but it doesn't count to canon.

Also, FWIW, Xenomorphine, I tend to agree with your posts and opinions. You've frequently saved me the need to type. Ridgetop, too.
Posted by Tonyhartmorph
 - May 28, 2017, 04:03:50 AM
Bringing the toy line into this... really?

If that's going to be the case, I say let Scott do what he wants, clearly peoples minds have been addled if this what some fans of both series have resorted to. However, Scott has said NOTHING about getting rid of the Queen and you all appear to be getting in a tizz over little but assumptions (what a surprise). Have people not learned yet that the life cycle of these creatures is entirely mutable. The eggs and the face huggers in the Prometheus mural show they've been around for thousands of years, David is just playing with someone else's chemistry set.

Hasn't it been revealed that the Dean Forster novelisation of Covenant that there was already an egg on Paradise? All his novels seems to be based on early screenplays of the film, who knows what's been cut out so far. One of the more followed podcasters said something about this, though I can't remember which one, the Mr H fellow? In fact that's why I checked this site to see if you've published anything about it yourselves.

Though wow, Scott took a few pot shots, although considering Cameron revealed his hypocritical bitching earlier in the year he had it coming.
Posted by DestinyCaptain
 - May 28, 2017, 12:38:54 AM
At this point we are rapidly heading into X-Men Movie discontinuity and NO ONE, regardless of how they feel about this film or that, should be excited about that. Scott is mucking it up and there is no one that gives two craps about the rest of the films there to stop him. 
Posted by Xenomorphine
 - May 27, 2017, 06:07:17 PM
Quote from: WABOR on May 27, 2017, 01:59:33 AM
AVP and AVPR aren't canon, they have nothing to do with the Predator Movies or the Alien Saga, the only thing they share is that they both are 20th Century Fox property's and where put into a comic crossover series by Dark Horse. From what I can tell Ridley Scott considers this his canon series: Prometheus, Covenant, Awakening, Paradise, Alien. (maybe Aliens too but probably not)

If we continue down this road, they're going to start being seen as having just as much validity as this new series of prequel films.
Posted by WABOR
 - May 27, 2017, 01:59:33 AM
AVP and AVPR aren't canon, they have nothing to do with the Predator Movies or the Alien Saga, the only thing they share is that they both are 20th Century Fox property's and where put into a comic crossover series by Dark Horse. From what I can tell Ridley Scott considers this his canon series: Prometheus, Covenant, Awakening, Paradise, Alien. (maybe Aliens too but probably not)
Posted by Nunzilla
 - May 26, 2017, 04:24:50 PM
Quote from: gantarat on May 26, 2017, 04:08:16 PM

AvP very big deal in 90's After Predator 2 and Original AvP Comics.

Even Aliens toyline (Hive Wars) has Predator model.

Thanks, I do understand that.  I'm in my mid 40s so I've seen the movies and read the comics when they released.  My point was that the AvP connection wasn't an original part of the Alien storyline, so I don't see harm with Ridley not considering that canon.  I do realize many fans like the connection.
Posted by gantarat
 - May 26, 2017, 04:08:16 PM
Quote from: Nunzilla on May 26, 2017, 03:44:16 PM
Quote from: N-Shifter on May 25, 2017, 09:45:48 PM
Quote from: Mal on May 25, 2017, 08:56:45 PM
I think there's a big mistake with Prometheus and alien covenant if you  have watched all the films especially  alien vs predator then in a scene it shows the predators wiping the planet clean of the aliens this was set in the time of the Incas and Egyptian era this was way before the so say time David made the aliens

Yeah, there's really no point in trying to makes sense of it by putting the Alien series and AvP series into the same continuity, the AvP movies are in a different universe, an offshoot like a Freddy v Jason movie.

Unless I'm missing something, isn't the only thing that brought Aliens and Predator together in the first place was the Dark Horse comics series and the trophy room Alien skull that Danny Glover sees at the end of P2?  It's not like the two universes were combined prior to that.  I actually own two of the AvP comic mini-series.

Anyhow, I could care less how Predator plays into the Aliens timeline as I feel that was mostly just a money grab for two franchises that didn't have a path forward at the time.


AvP very big deal in 90's After Predator 2 and Original AvP Comics.

Even Aliens toyline (Hive Wars) has Predator model.
Posted by Nunzilla
 - May 26, 2017, 03:44:16 PM
Quote from: N-Shifter on May 25, 2017, 09:45:48 PM
Quote from: Mal on May 25, 2017, 08:56:45 PM
I think there's a big mistake with Prometheus and alien covenant if you  have watched all the films especially  alien vs predator then in a scene it shows the predators wiping the planet clean of the aliens this was set in the time of the Incas and Egyptian era this was way before the so say time David made the aliens

Yeah, there's really no point in trying to makes sense of it by putting the Alien series and AvP series into the same continuity, the AvP movies are in a different universe, an offshoot like a Freddy v Jason movie.

Unless I'm missing something, isn't the only thing that brought Aliens and Predator together in the first place was the Dark Horse comics series and the trophy room Alien skull that Danny Glover sees at the end of P2?  It's not like the two universes were combined prior to that.  I actually own two of the AvP comic mini-series.

Anyhow, I could care less how Predator plays into the Aliens timeline as I feel that was mostly just a money grab for two franchises that didn't have a path forward at the time.
Posted by Bishop2
 - May 26, 2017, 02:46:23 PM
Quote from: RidgeTop on May 25, 2017, 09:00:06 PM
Quote from: Mal on May 25, 2017, 08:56:45 PM
I think there's a big mistake with Prometheus and alien covenant if you  have watched all the films especially  alien vs predator then in a scene it shows the predators wiping the planet clean of the aliens this was set in the time of the Incas and Egyptian era this was way before the so say time David made the aliens

The Scott prequels are ignoring the AVP continuity, as they did with Peter Weyland in Prometheus.

Peter Weyland can still be reconciled easily... it's no tougher than reconciling Charles Bishop Weyland with the supposedly human Bishop creator (Michael) at the end of A3.

It isn't until this film that the continuities no longer match. Basically, you could have all of the films in A/P/AVP line up fine until Covenant came along.

Hell, I suppose they could even introduce something later that would make it possible to re-align them - but that's not something I expect, given that we know Scott has no reason/concern with doing so. It would basically be a happy accident if it occurred.
Posted by Dan
 - May 26, 2017, 02:56:39 AM
I think Prometheus and Covenant needed to be an other franchise than Alien.

If Scott not wanted to be coherent with things like Space Jockey, Alien Queen than why force it? He could still use Giger's elements but tell a different story.

And thats very disturbing because Blomkamp cant do he's vision because Ridley doing Prometheus sequel what using xenos but not keen on to follow the franchise's rules.
Posted by Xenomorphine
 - May 26, 2017, 01:51:36 AM
Listened through the interview. Scott seemed awfully ambiguous when it came to the subject of the Queen's future inclusion... If that doesn't occur, this new series is going to be looked at as a completely alternative time-line intended to replace 'Alien' in totality.

Also, his voice and rambling strangeness now officially reminds me of an old 'Fast Show' sketch character.

Posted by Cp
 - May 25, 2017, 10:09:07 PM
This is really bad. Wow.
Posted by N-Shifter
 - May 25, 2017, 09:45:48 PM
Quote from: Mal on May 25, 2017, 08:56:45 PM
I think there's a big mistake with Prometheus and alien covenant if you  have watched all the films especially  alien vs predator then in a scene it shows the predators wiping the planet clean of the aliens this was set in the time of the Incas and Egyptian era this was way before the so say time David made the aliens

Yeah, there's really no point in trying to makes sense of it by putting the Alien series and AvP series into the same continuity, the AvP movies are in a different universe, an offshoot like a Freddy v Jason movie.
Posted by Abed
 - May 25, 2017, 09:16:13 PM
My apologies, the video on the website didn't show up for me at first. Turns out we were both sticking up for the same pronunciation (I thought you were pushing for Giger as in eye). Oh, what a day...
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