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What are your theories on this. How do you think the Alien will get to Earth in the Noah series?

Don't thank me, thank Species. ;)

As far as I'm concerned Sil is an Engineer weapon broadcast into space to wipe out civilisations before they become too advanced.

The Predators will deliver one to Weyland-Yutani in a stasis pod after travelling back in time with it.

It should be something the company can't reproduce after it's inevitably destroyed or lost.

Which, if it's a prequel, we already know it will be.

I've kind of kept my self spoiler free from this, but have they officially said the Alien will be on earth?


Maybe Earth is the hub of the story but everything else is off world or something. 

Yeah the initial official announcement, as well as the most recent producer comments, confirmed it's set on Earth.

Quote from: Kimarhi on Feb 19, 2022, 08:37:05 PM
Maybe Earth is the hub of the story but everything else is off world or something. 

I bloody hope so

From Hawley, back in July 2021:

QuoteIt's not a Ripley story. She's one of the great characters of all time, and I think the story has been told pretty perfectly, and I don't want to mess with it. It's a story that's set on Earth also. The alien stories are always trapped... Trapped in a prison, trapped in a space ship. I thought it would be interesting to open it up a little bit so that the stakes of "What happens if you can't contain it?" are more immediate.

https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2021/07/alien-tv-series-noah-hawley

The intent is definitely to bring the Aliens themselves to Earth.

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In Noah I trust. What he did with Fargo is true masterclass. I'm not worried at all about Alien series.

In the movie The Tomorrow War, the protagonists discover that the alien outbreak originated from a spaceship buried in a glacier millennia ago. With climate change the ice melted and the monsters woke up to take over the world. Furthermore, the characters theorize that the aliens and the ship were biological arsenal created by an unknown alien civilization, and that humans may or may not be the target. I couldn't help but mentalize the same scenario but with the Aliens & Engineers. Anyhow, something on that scale in the Prometheus era and before 1979's Alien is impossible.

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Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 19, 2022, 04:24:47 PM
As far as I'm concerned Sil is an Engineer weapon broadcast into space to wipe out civilisations before they become too advanced.

Amen to that.

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Quote from: Ingwar on Feb 19, 2022, 09:57:23 PM
In Noah I trust. What he did with Fargo is true masterclass. I'm not worried at all about Alien series.

I feel the same

Maybe they will explore the origin of the order 937. And, the person who issued it.

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Quote from: David_4004 on Feb 20, 2022, 04:54:11 AM
Maybe they will explore the origin of the order 937. And, the person who issued it.

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Hopefully the worldbuilding includes the exploration of interesting details like that one.

Yes, I too hope they spoil every mystery in excruciatingly banal detail.

Respectable thought. But I must say I'm just as surprised as Hicks by the negativity from so many here. They don't even start filming and already most seem to hate it. Gosh  :laugh:

Welcome to the fandom

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I don't hate it. But I'm pretty disinterested at the moment seeing as it will be set primarily on Earth prior to the first movie. It's kind of retcon I can't stomach because why ? Why would you do that ?  I don't see the benefits of doing that while the problems are piling on top of one another. At least in first AvP movie Aliens were brought to Earth not by humans and filmakers made a point of telling (and showing) that if Aliens get loose on the surface it'll mean end of humanity

It'll take pretty great word of mouth for me to get excited again

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Quote from: Local Trouble on Feb 20, 2022, 05:29:32 AM
Yes, I too hope they spoil every mystery in excruciatingly banal detail.

Explaining Order 937 is like explaining why Death Star had a fatal flaw. Who caaaaaaares ?

And don't anybody dare tell me: "BuT rOgUe OnE wAs ThE bEsT oNe !"

Something to keep in mind here...

By Prometheus time mankind had already colonized a number of worlds beyond our solar system.

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Your point ?

Let's chill out on the attitudes.

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I genuinely want to know what's RidgeTop getting at

Hawley's comment makes it sound very much like the Aliens will be on Earth so I don't get what bringing up other planets has to do with anything. Also I'm not sure anybody was doubting that other colonised worlds existed?

My point is that even though the show takes place on earth, that doesn't necessarily mean the Aliens featured were found there or close to it.

My bad, I didn't realise what thread I was in.

Yes, that does address most of the poll options.

Quote from: Local Trouble on Feb 20, 2022, 05:29:32 AM
Yes, I too hope they spoil every mystery in excruciatingly banal detail.

What's with all this optimism?

I haven't even considered the possibility that show's Aliens can be found on Earth. Now THAT would piss me off

It's pretty obvious the Space Amazon driver got lost on his way to deliver them to LV-426 and accidently threw them over Earth's back fence instead. Fits with the whole theme of corporate irresponsibility.

WTF  :D

1. Found underneath the Earth.

2. Brought from somewhere else, with us following dualing or even triple perhaps narrative threads, probably not in our solar system.

3. Crash lands.

Sil being connected's more of a stretch than Blade Runner, and I'm not just saying that because I prefer it's classier cousin, I just don't see them utilizing a transmission as a plot point because of the original Alien film.

Quote from: Ingwar on Feb 19, 2022, 09:57:23 PM
In Noah I trust. What he did with Fargo is true masterclass. I'm not worried at all about Alien series.

You know who else said "in [BLANK] we trust"?  Lots and lots of people in regards to Shane Black in the run up to the release of The Predator.

The Species 'embedded blueprint' concept is actually something that Raised By Wolves has riffed on, in a sense, as well. In season one, it is revealed that...

Spoiler

The blueprints for the show's Necromancer androids (like the main character Mother) were not actually developed by the Mithraic forces on Earth, but rather, were found embedded within ancient Mithraic scripture. The Mithraic merely built the Necromancer machines according to schematics that they believe came from their god Sol, when in all actuality they likely that they were embedded there ages ago by whatever the "Signal" posing as Sol on Kepler-22b is.

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Quote from: RidgeTop on Feb 20, 2022, 11:13:34 AM
My point is that even though the show takes place on earth, that doesn't necessarily mean the Aliens featured were found there or close to it.

I wonder if Noah had all that in mind, and as you point out, Mars was fully colonized by Weyland.

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Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 20, 2022, 01:24:49 PM
The Species 'embedded blueprint' concept is actually something that Raised By Wolves has riffed on, in a sense, as well. In season one, it is revealed that...

Spoiler

The blueprints for the show's Necromancer androids (like the main character Mother) were not actually developed by the Mithraic forces on Earth, but rather, were found embedded within ancient Mithraic scripture. The Mithraic merely built the Necromancer machines according to schematics that they believe came from their god Sol, when in all actuality they likely that they were embedded there ages ago by whatever the "Signal" posing as Sol on Kepler-22b is.

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Speaking of which, can you imagine that for Noah, what David did in Covenant is like when the Mithraic designed the Necromancer to fight against atheists, using an ancient blueprint?  :laugh:

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Quote from: Ingwar on Feb 19, 2022, 09:57:23 PM
In Noah I trust. What he did with Fargo is true masterclass. I'm not worried at all about Alien series.

You know who else said "in [BLANK] we trust"?  Lots and lots of people in regards to Shane Black in the run up to the release of The Predator.

I wasn't one of them. Plus I don' like Black's movies.

Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Feb 20, 2022, 08:37:10 PM
Speaking of which, can you imagine that for Noah, what David did in Covenant is like when the Mithraic designed the Necromancer to fight against atheists, using an ancient blueprint?  :laugh:

That's almost certainly the route I expect them to go now, as far as retconning David as the creator goes. The only alternative would be straight up wiping Prometheus and Covenant from the continuity, which I guess is possible (they did it with the AVPs, thankfully), but retconning David into merely re-inventing (and not being aware of the "re-" part of his place in all of this) the Alien seems to be the more likely route for them to take.

I still think the best route forward would be to just set any future stories, including Hawley's show here, after the events of the prequels, and simply just not acknowledging the exact origin of the eggs on hand in any specific instance. I also think that anything set on Earth should absolutely not be set prior to Alien, but hey, that's just me!

A post-Alien 3 setting would have been perfect here for both setting this series on Earth without stepping on the original trilogy's toes, and for being able to play fast and loose with the David as creator angle. Pre-Alien, like they're doing here, ends up just stepping on every installment's toes.

I really wonder what, specifically, is the main narrative thread that makes this a story that has to be set prior to Alien? Prior to the release of Covenant and the revelation of David as creator, which firmly set the story pre-Alien, I also thought that Prometheus was a story that, with very minimal changes, could have just as easily been told post-Alien 3.

I'm all for Queen being fished out of shores of Antarctica.

Don't mention Queen to Ridley ;D

Dew it

Ridley doesn't know what he's missing. Look at those curves!

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Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Feb 21, 2022, 11:37:23 PM
Ridley doesn't know what he's missing. Look at those curves!

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Yes officer this post here

Whatever they go with, I feel like I'm just going to be annoyed that the characters aren't just following instructions from David's Advent transmission.

Quote from: Nukiemorph on Mar 21, 2022, 12:50:23 AM
Whatever they go with, I feel like I'm just going to be annoyed that the characters aren't just following instructions from David's Advent transmission.

Well, this is set roughly around the time of Prometheus, so that hasn't happened yet. ;)

That's assuming the producer knew what he was talking about.

And if it really does take place around Prometheus, I have to wonder why. If they aren't involving the prequels or actively going against them, then why would they pick that time period?

Unless they have good reason, I feel like I'm going to wish they'd just set this after Covenant and used the Advent transmission.

"But now I wonder if it has always been there, though I merely could not hear it before." "The sound it built so slowly, yet when you listen for it, you can make out the strains, even over the background life of the universe."

Quote from: Nukiemorph on Mar 21, 2022, 12:50:23 AM
Whatever they go with, I feel like I'm just going to be annoyed that the characters aren't just following instructions from David's Advent transmission.

I have to wonder if any new story is going to pick up on this at all.

It's something you can easily write off though, like the W-Y timeline, or the last signs of life.

Certainly. But could also be an interesting avenue. Go Species-like and have another civilization pick up on the instructions and somehow figure it out...

I'd really rather it did not invite further comparisons to that franchise or any other honestly, I want to see Noah Hawley do his own thing, not necessarily facilitated by other entries.

I do think David's story deserves a conclusion, but it ought to be developed as such, not forced into a separate project.

Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 21, 2022, 09:15:04 AM
I do think David's story deserves a conclusion, but it ought to be developed as such, not forced into a separate project.

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Even if Disney holds Ridley's leash a bit tighter than Fox did.

Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 21, 2022, 09:15:04 AM
I do think David's story deserves a conclusion, but it ought to be developed as such, not forced into a separate project.

That meal won't be served to us and I've accepted it. I'm just begging for crumbs now.

Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 21, 2022, 09:15:04 AM
I do think David's story deserves a conclusion, but it ought to be developed as such, not forced into a separate project.

I think we're inviting more woe going down that avenue. I'd happily never hear from him again.

Inviting woe? To you maybe but I truly sincerely find that doubtful. I'm not saying that you will love it. I am saying though that it will without a shadow of a doubt be more inoffensive than either prior entry.

I'm not alone in not wanting David as the Space Jockey. I'd expect that to be far more offensive than the Engineer retcon, or David as Creator.

And I'm saying that's an absolute (Ridley's cigar) pipe dream, Disney's never going to go for that idea, if he got to develop another prequel film.

I'm not so confident.

Yeah I doubt anyone at Disney/20th would really care about that specifically, but at the same time, doesn't seem like they want Ridley to do another film anyway.

And after the financial bombing of The Last Duel, I have to wonder if he's ever going to do any film (let alone an Alien one) at Disney/20th Century Studios again. Napoleon is for Apple, and I believe Gladiator 2 is Paramount.

Yeah I had the same thought, but Steve Asbell mentioned in that interview recently that they're still working on several projects with him after Napoleon, so there's that..

Quote from: Evanus on Mar 21, 2022, 12:29:25 PM
they're still working on several projects with him after Napoleon, so there's that..

Jesus Christ, this man doesn't have breaks, does he ? At this point only a heart stroke on set is gonna stop him

Quote from: Evanus on Mar 21, 2022, 12:29:25 PM
Yeah I had the same thought, but Steve Asbell mentioned in that interview recently that they're still working on several projects with him after Napoleon, so there's that..

Fingers crossed. Ridley's definitely still in their good graces as producer, at least, what with the Noah Hawley show and Fede Álvarez movie (and Asbell seems to have a particular affection for Ridley and his prequels, based on his Twitter posts) and the recent Kenneth Branagh Hercule Poirot movies.

I wonder what particular (Alien-related or otherwise) film(s) Asbell might be referring to, that Scott apparently has up his sleeve as a director at 20th. It'd have to be something after Gladiator 2 at this point. :D

Disney always wants to build brands, they do not rock the boat, if he ever got to make another Alien prequel they would absolutely make an effort to not incur the criticisms that the others incurred even if they miss the point and create new ones.

Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 21, 2022, 01:24:48 PM
Disney always wants to build brands, they do not rock the boat

This is the main thing that worries me. I'd much rather see risks taken, even if they don't all land, than see them simply play safe and just retread Alien/Aliens (as The Force Awakens is to A New Hope).

For the many issues I have with the sound of certain elements Hawley show (namely the Prometheus-era, pre-Alien Earth setting), I'm at least intrigued by the fact that it seems to be leaning into/expanding on ideas that go beyond what was just in the first couple movies.

But as I've said a few times, I am all for seeing - and explicitly want to see - new filmmakers come in and really put their own stamp on the material. That's the whole fun of Alien as an ongoing franchise to me, the way it is always reinventing itself under the guiding hand of some real A-level filmmakers with very distinct voices. I just really wish that the Ridley Scott prequels would have gotten a chance to properly wrap up before we kickstarted this particular wave of new films/shows from new filmmakers that we're about to enter with Hawley and Álvarez.

And I also wish Alien's entire future wasn't locked into Hulu, but I digress there...

Well that's exactly what I'm saying and they have already stated openly, the films on Hulu can do whatever they want essentially as can Noah Hawley, but any big event Theatrical Film? Like a final prequel, or an AVP film, will be played safe.

I honestly don't think we'll see aliens on earth. It seems more like we'll see what it's like from Earths perspective when stuff goes down that would go down in a usual Alien movie.

I hope there's a chance we get Engineers involved! Prometheus is my favorite movie (along with Alien and Signs), and I would love to have them play a part in the series again.

That being said, I still hope they change the Space Jockey to an actual elephant like being, that would be quite spooky. And hopefully David is not the Space Jockey, and I'd hope he really isn't the creator of the xenomorphs.

Also, the concept art looks eerie!

Quote from: thexenomorph on Nov 24, 2022, 01:10:14 AMI hope there's a chance we get Engineers involved! Prometheus is my favorite movie (along with Alien and Signs), and I would love to have them play a part in the series again.

That being said, I still hope they change the Space Jockey to an actual elephant like being, that would be quite spooky. And hopefully David is not the Space Jockey, and I'd hope he really isn't the creator of the xenomorphs.

Also, the concept art looks eerie!

I have such mixed emotions reading the above.

Quote from: Ingwar on Feb 19, 2022, 09:57:23 PMIn Noah I trust. What he did with Fargo is true masterclass. I'm not worried at all about Alien series.

Well with Fargo, you would have to be a real terrible film maker to mess that up since it has a simple premise.

ALIEN needs a more delicate touch compared to the Fargo Universe. There is a certain look, a certain feel you have to capture with anything ALIEN branded other wise you'll get another Alien Resurrection movie and from the sounds of it Hawley's Alien series has a lot of Alien Resurrection vibes to it.

Quote from: xenotaris on May 04, 2023, 03:20:50 AMHawley's Alien series has a lot of Alien Resurrection vibes to it.

This.

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Quote from: Ingwar on Feb 19, 2022, 09:57:23 PMIn Noah I trust. What he did with Fargo is true masterclass. I'm not worried at all about Alien series.

Well with Fargo, you would have to be a real terrible film maker to mess that up since it has a simple premise.

There is a certain look, a certain feel you have to capture with anything ALIEN Fargo branded other wise you'll get another Alien Resurrection mediocre crime movie.

I'm not over the moon about android ninja picture but I try not to judge the book by its cover. It might be a great series in the end.

If the story is set on Earth, but is dealing with the aftermath of the species being found on other planets (as other forum commenters have alluded to earlier) and it creeping closer to Earth itself then I think I could be on board with that. Even if a slower burn might be harder to maintain in a TV show.... Them already being here might be a bit of a tough sell..
As for David... no. Please no.
Just my humble little opinion.

Could see the end of the Alien Romulus plot segueway into opening the story of the tv series

Quote from: David Weyland on May 07, 2023, 01:54:27 PMCould see the end of the Alien Romulus plot segueway into opening the story of the tv series

I wouldn't expect that. Both projects are being touted as standalone stories set in this universe.

Perhaps,I personally prefer continuity over takes on the franchise in a separate vacuum
It's just a guess and with it I've missed out on a detail but maybe the abandoned Weyland Yutani ship mentioned in the leak of the Romulus audition tapes could be the ship that crashed into the city that we see in the Hawley series artwork, I think as an idea it'd be neat

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Quote from: Ingwar on Feb 19, 2022, 09:57:23 PMIn Noah I trust. What he did with Fargo is true masterclass. I'm not worried at all about Alien series.

Well with Fargo, you would have to be a real terrible film maker to mess that up since it has a simple premise.

There is a certain look, a certain feel you have to capture with anything ALIEN Fargo branded other wise you'll get another Alien Resurrection mediocre crime movie.

I'm not over the moon about android ninja picture but I try not to judge the book by its cover. It might be a great series in the end.

Did you edit and butcher my quote?

Also no, its more than just duel wielding sword cyborg marvel superhero tm. The fact that the xenomorphs are on earth before the events of ALIEN gives me AVP 2004 vibes which invalidated Ellen Ripley's quest to eradicated the xenomorphs. It seems to me that Hawley is a fan of Alien Resurrection and AVP which MOST Alien fans are opposed.

Quote from: xenotaris on May 10, 2023, 08:09:43 PMIt seems to me that Hawley is a fan of Alien Resurrection and AVP

(X)- Doubt.

I share your concerns about where this is going. This claim just doesn't feel true though.

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Quote from: xenotaris on May 10, 2023, 08:09:43 PMIt seems to me that Hawley is a fan of Alien Resurrection and AVP

(X)- Doubt.

I share your concerns about where this is going. This claim just doesn't feel true though.

(EDIT) Well yes, my claim might not be true. But the other things he is tacking onto the ALIEN series like this Transhuman angle was absent in the original ALIEN Trilogy and the AVP duology. I'm just voicing my fears that this will end up like another AVP 04 and/or Alien Resurrection.

For the record, I actually like Resurrection. It's silly, and I don't take it seriously, it's just dumb fun for me. But certain aspects of it (namely direction and cinematography) elevate it beyond the complete mess it otherwise would have been.

My fear here is that we may end up with something closer to Deadliest of the Species that's utterly ridiculous but played straight.

Quote from: [cancerblack] on May 10, 2023, 08:35:47 PMMy fear here is that we may end up with something closer to Deadliest of the Species that's utterly ridiculous but played straight.

But I don't understand DotS!

"I don't think he gives a shit."

I like the idea of a ghost ship that got infested and auto routed back to Earth.

Quote from: [cancerblack] on May 10, 2023, 08:35:47 PMDeadliest of the Species

I haven't read AVP: Deadliest of the Species yet. I had just finished the original 1989 comic.

It is uniquely awful.

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Quote from: Ingwar on Feb 19, 2022, 09:57:23 PMIn Noah I trust. What he did with Fargo is true masterclass. I'm not worried at all about Alien series.

Well with Fargo, you would have to be a real terrible film maker to mess that up since it has a simple premise.

There is a certain look, a certain feel you have to capture with anything ALIEN Fargo branded other wise you'll get another Alien Resurrection mediocre crime movie.

I'm not over the moon about android ninja picture but I try not to judge the book by its cover. It might be a great series in the end.

Did you edit and butcher my quote?

Also no, its more than just duel wielding sword cyborg marvel superhero tm. The fact that the xenomorphs are on earth before the events of ALIEN gives me AVP 2004 vibes which invalidated Ellen Ripley's quest to eradicated the xenomorphs. It seems to me that Hawley is a fan of Alien Resurrection and AVP which MOST Alien fans are opposed.

1. I didn't butcher anything. I just pointed out by editing your post that now everyone could have directed Fargo series as skilfully as Hawley did. Therefore I trust that he will do Alien justice.
2. I'm not fan of duel wielding sword cyborg (I don't like it at all) but it's concept art so it might not even end up in the series.

Quote from: Ingwar on May 11, 2023, 12:44:27 PMTherefore I trust that he will do Alien justice.

I highly doubt that given from what he stated he wants the Alien Tv series be about transhumanism which wasn't the theme of the Alien series at all until Alien Resurrection. The fact that a cyborg character is going to get training from a synthetic to lead a cyborg revolt against humanity doesn't sound like anything from an ALIEN movie. The ALIEN movies were always about Humans surviving against a hostile alien organism with an antagonistic android or human wanting the xenomorph for R&D.

Also Hawley is repeating the same mistakes as Anderson with his AVP, having any story with xenomorphs on Earth prior to 2122-2179 is a bad idea.

Quote from: xenotaris on May 11, 2023, 03:55:37 PMThe ALIEN movies were always about Humans surviving against a hostile alien organism with an antagonistic android or human wanting the xenomorph for R&D.

Maybe it's time to move on from that "always". How movies like that one can watch? You have to evolve. You cannot have same old same old all the time. Now and then yes, like with Romulus, but always the same? No thank you. I rather have something fresh.

Quote from: Ingwar on May 11, 2023, 04:02:46 PMMaybe it's time to move on from that "always". Haw movies like that one can watch? You have to evolve. You cannot have same old same old all the time. Now and then yes, like with Romulus, but always the same? No thank you. I rather have something fresh.

Yeah, let's see how that works and if the ALIEN series flops because they try to change it's DNA then what would you say? Its one thing to mix things up and another to completely alter the story, look at Jurassic World Dominion

It was James Cameron who changed Alien DNA in the first place and nothing bad happened to it.

Quote from: Ingwar on May 11, 2023, 04:31:00 PMIt was James Cameron who changed Alien DNA in the first place and nothing bad happened to it.

That was more of an expansion but it still kept ALIEN in a recognizable form as in we knew Weyland-Yutani was messed up which was reinforced with the character Burke.

The plot was still about the xenomorphs and LV-426. Bishop was still played off as the suspicious character until it was revealed he was a good guy, originally Bishop was going to be a bad guy like Ash.

Overall the inclusion of the Queen was more of an expansion then a radical transformation of the first movie. Since the eggmorphing scene wasn't known to the public until the release of the director's cut and not many people read the novelization back then.

But all in all, James Cameron expanded the series rather than radically change it. Since the plot was still like the first movie. Humans trying to survive against xenomorphs just this time there was more of them. You still had a corporate agent, just this time it was a human instead of an android.

Now sure this movie started Ripley's crusade to prevent the xenomorphs from earth but that's a reaction from the character that survived the events of the first movie.

Moving from Lovecraftian-alike cosmic horror into action space thriller is radical but it was well executed.

Aliens also follows the plot of Alien near bloody beat for beat.

Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on May 11, 2023, 10:20:01 PMAliens also follows the plot of Alien near bloody beat for beat.

Gotta agree here. Seeing the double bill last month really shows it off. I hadn't watched them like that before, and the story beats are so similar.

Off topic but I find Cameron pulled off the same trick with T1 and T2; same beats just more bombastic

Quote from: Ingwar on May 11, 2023, 09:46:08 PMMoving from Lovecraftian-alike cosmic horror into action space thriller is radical but it was well executed.

But ALIENS didn't really change that much from ALIEN aside from horror to action-horror. The movie's core plot was still about humans struggling against the xenomorph. There was no radical plot change aside from style and pacing.

Hawley is shifting the focus away from the xenomorph (as well as rendering Ripley's quest moot before she was even born) and turn it into Blade Runner or something.

How do you know that? Have you read the script? We haven't even touched the surface of this series. We know nothing really.

Quote from: Local Trouble on Aug 13, 2022, 03:54:38 PMIn the unlikely event that an alien actually makes a cameo between all the corporate intrigue and "exploration of what it means to be human" bullshit, I might glance at it.

I listened to a podcast interview with Hawley where he said he "wouldnt know what to do with just a bug hunt" and he aims to do a show that would still be compelling if all the genre stuff is removed from it. He has said similar stuff about Legion.

I can't wait for @SiL and @[cancerblack] to see this show.

I don't even watch shows I want to see.

Quote from: Ingwar on May 12, 2023, 06:37:05 PMHow do you know that? Have you read the script? We haven't even touched the surface of this series. We know nothing really.

No I haven't read the script, I am going off the scant leaked information we have as of now. I am not optimistic over the information that I have read. Maybe Hawley will pull a Ridley Scott and surprise us all, I doubt it though.

Quote from: xenotaris on May 13, 2023, 07:29:04 AMMaybe Hawley will pull a Ridley Scott and surprise us all, I doubt it though.

Ridley Scott's surprises haven't gone down too well on here.  :-\

Don't be singling here out. Facebook is far more Neanderthal about it.

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 13, 2023, 06:32:41 PMDon't be singling here out. Facebook is far more Neanderthal about it.

Twitter is the worst. Can't do a Ridley Scott search without getting a bellyful of how he ruined the franchise.

He might be remembered among the filthy casuals as the ruthless executioner of Blomkalien⁵. But to many of us he is a hero 8)

Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on May 13, 2023, 08:16:16 PMHe might be remembered among the filthy casuals as the ruthless executioner of Blomkalien⁵. But to many of us he is a hero 8)

He is a hero, not the hero we deserved but the hero we needed.

Sorry guys but i'm in the camp Scott ruined it and was taken aback how many Alien fans here really like the prequels. I still very much respect the man but he should have declined making these if he no longer cared about the beast and push for non alien related sci-fi a la Raised by the Wolves.

Yet I'm very glad that Blomkamp abomination was axed and looks like this series will make me hate the prequels less. Seriously all the news about this have been scarier than the franchise has ever been in the couple decades.

Covenant rocks.

Ooh I guess I am a filthy casual then since I was excited for Blomkamp's ALIEN 5

Oh sorry for that😅 bad word choice :-X but overall I mean: audiences that don't spend their time in forums / people who don't have the same level of knowledge or interest in the lore as many members here.

As for Alien 5, it seems to be getting more love outside of AVPGalaxy than here.

Now...I'm not saying there aren't people who got exited about that unmade movie on here though, so feel free to disagree.

Quote from: xenotaris on May 13, 2023, 10:25:54 PMOoh I guess I am a filthy casual then since I was excited for Blomkamp's ALIEN 5

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I have mixed feelings about ALIEN 3, mainly revolving around Hicks and Newts deaths, but I wouldn't mind if Alien Resurrection got axed from canon.

Trust me if you knew what Blomkamp had planned you wouldn't have been excited. 😂

Starting to sound like a government psyop to make Alien³ look better.

Soylent Blommy is people!

Quote from: Necronomicon II on May 14, 2023, 09:54:25 AMTrust me if you knew what Blomkamp had planned you wouldn't have been excited. 😂

at this point i'm just gonna start saying weird silly ideas and ask you guys to go "warm" "cold" or "no, worse than that"

- Ripley would turn into an alien after using the queen biomech suit?
- All the aliens combine to form a kaiju alien that destroys Earth? :laugh:
- Newt had grown up to be a corporate villain?
- there'd be a ultra smart alien that was able to talk?
- WY would have controllable aliens?

He had Kenner Aliens in his concept art, if it got wackier than that, maybe we are better off not really knowing.

Quote from: skhellter on May 14, 2023, 09:33:53 PM- there'd be a ultra smart alien that was able to talk?

That would actually be in keeping for what Dan O'Bannon had in mind for the Alien. It would shed it's bloodlust and become an intellectual, scholarly creature.

Ridley also wanted the Alien to speak in Ripley's voice at the end of Alien, after bitting her head off. But I think Ridley had consumed one too many vodka martinis at the time, so that doesn't really count.

Quote- WY would have controllable aliens?

Someone actually created some unofficial concept art about that. Remember that?

Got a lot of people very hot under the collar because they thought it was for real. Also ended up as the main poster on the film's IMDB page!  :laugh:

Quote- Newt had grown up to be a corporate villain

That actually might not be such a bad idea. Better than Hiks, Noot and Ripley Alienbusters. 

Quote from: skhellter on May 14, 2023, 09:33:53 PM

Quote from: Necronomicon II on May 14, 2023, 09:54:25 AMTrust me if you knew what Blomkamp had planned you wouldn't have been excited. 😂

- Ripley would turn into an alien after using the queen biomech suit?

Far dumber than that.

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Quote from: skhellter on May 14, 2023, 09:33:53 PM- there'd be a ultra smart alien that was able to talk?

Ridley also wanted the Alien to speak in Ripley's voice at the end of Alien, after bitting her head off.

Sometimes dumb ideas can be well executed ;D

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Of course that doesn't apply to most Alien 5 ideas! >:(

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Quote from: Necronomicon II on May 20, 2023, 12:46:17 PM

Quote from: skhellter on May 14, 2023, 09:33:53 PM

Quote from: Necronomicon II on May 14, 2023, 09:54:25 AMTrust me if you knew what Blomkamp had planned you wouldn't have been excited. 😂

- Ripley would turn into an alien after using the queen biomech suit?

Far dumber than that.

Oh my god :o I fear what could've been, but if it's that dumb, I have no idea how this even got so far... :laugh:

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Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on May 20, 2023, 12:24:47 PM

Quote from: skhellter on May 14, 2023, 09:33:53 PM- there'd be a ultra smart alien that was able to talk?

Ridley also wanted the Alien to speak in Ripley's voice at the end of Alien, after bitting her head off.

Sometimes dumb ideas can be well executed ;D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HAqBh5KDFgQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yBGiEYFKz7s

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Of course that doesn't apply to most Alien 5 ideas! >:(

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True, that bear was horrific!

Don't get me wrong some of Huante's artwork was interesting and had potential, but when I found out more...stuff, yeah it would've done more damage than good. The guy (Blomkamp) was super arrogant to even think of going to the places he wanted to go, may he stick to making video game movies forever  lmao

Blomkamp seems to be a bit of a one trick pony....

I was genuinely blown away by District 9 and was completely in awe of it and at the time but everything else he has done since has just fallen flat.

Hey it's Kryten.

Quote from: [cancerblack] on Sep 06, 2023, 09:35:30 AMHey it's Kryten.

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Aliens had a logical change from Alien, i.e., from an encounter with the alien, with horror created as the creature is slowly revealed, to Aliens, where they thought they were going to deal with only one creature but turned out to be a lot more, and more detail on what happens when they are able to form a hive. The third movie ends Ripley's story effectively, which makes the fourth movie weird because it brings in cloning, hybrids, etc.

The problem for this new series is that the AvP franchise and the prequels complicate matters, i.e., with earlier encounters with both the aliens and the predators on Earth, and more weird stuff, like spores and all that, as seen in the prequels.

Fans can discount the prequels because it looks like they're meant to reboot the franchise, i.e., they're targetting younger viewers who don't know about the first four movies. That also means anything's now possible for future movies, while they follow the prequels and even ignore the first movie movies.

That means if they follow fans the series will have to consider the AvP franchise, and if they follow new viewers what took place in the prequels.

<Space Jocky goes to planet
<Planet called Earth
<Earth have human
<Space Jocky try to be nice
<Human told Space Jocky to f##k off
<Space Jocky gets mad
<Space Jocky throw eggs at house
<Eggs are more durable than thought
<Eggs hatch
<Chaos ensured
<Space Jocky leave
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Never watched the Tomorrow War? :laugh:

From the concept art, I'm guessing the story will be a straightforward case of; Weyland Yutani ship crashes into city - Weyu ship is infested with eggs (it's left ambiguous how, but there will be some dumb as hell easer egg like a computer screen readout that it landed on an unsurveyed planetoid in the zeta 2 reticuli system). Unity Corp or whatever they are called (I forget) will lock down their city to stop it from spreading (translation: secure a specimen) - the series will end with the destruction of the city wiping everything out/all record/ all evidence as not to hurt the alien movies' timeline - and there will be some dumb as shit after credit scene like the Mistress Yutani scene at the end of AvP:R showing "analysis of Weyu ship black box complete, sending to network" like it's supposed to knock our socks off and show why someone at WeYu later down the line will know about LV426 and plant Ash/ reroute Nostromo... calling it.

And then the writer(s) who crafted that ending will think they're so clever.

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"Noah Hawley's ALIEN TV Series Reveals Plot and Cast"

https://nerdist.com/article/alien-tv-series-noah-hawley-artificial-intelligence-weyland-yutani/

Quote"It's set on Earth of the future. At this moment, I describe that as Edison versus Westinghouse versus Tesla. Someone's going to monopolize electricity. We just don't know which one it is. In the movies, we have this Weyland-Yutani Corporation, which is clearly also developing artificial intelligence. But what if there are other companies trying to look at immortality in a different way? With cyborg enhancements or transhuman downloads? Which of those technologies is going to win? It's ultimately a classic science fiction question: does humanity deserve to survive?"


Additionally, according to Slash Film, Hawley offered that the show was inspired by a specific moment from Alien. He noted, "There's that moment you realize Ian Holm [who plays Ash] is an android where you go, 'Oh, this is really interesting now, because this is humanity trapped between the primordial past and the AI future, and they're both trying to kill us.'"