Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 15, 2018, 02:32:52 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0Ganhrngyg
Not watched yet.
"Good playground supervisor" :laugh: Love it, Shane. Every time this man talks, it just gives me a sense of calm.
LOL the intro on that video. :laugh:
Quote from: skhellter on May 15, 2018, 04:01:13 PM
LOL the intro on that video. :laugh:
There's a video after the intro? Damn, gotta try to watch it then.
Good to see he has confidence after all is said and done. I love hearing this guy talk about filmmaking.
Quote from: skhellter on May 15, 2018, 04:01:13 PM
LOL the intro on that video. :laugh:
You can tell it must have taken the guy 3 months to figure it out and wants it all in it's full 30 second glory.
I have to say Black and the cast and crew's interviews are doing more to excite me at the minute!
Was that the 1983 HBO feature presentation theme? Damn that is some nostalgia right there. Also Shane Black actually sounds like he got his shit together. Putting all the jokes aside, it feels like he is confident in the final product.
I've been confident since Shane was announced to write and direct and I'm getting more excited as time gets closer to September 14th
2 words: Practical Effects. This has my hopes up.
My gosh guys , sorry I've been silent, my internet died a few days ago , back up now , just want to say how excited I am now after reading this , SHOUT OUT TO HOLLYWOOD ! I might not of agreed with with you to begin with , it's been turbulent but I sure as hell wish I would of listened sooner , I will always admit when I'm wrong and this time I'm truly wrong , I CANNOT WAIT FOR THIS FILM ANY LONGER ! Faith has truly been restored .. LONG LIVE AVPGALAXY!!! ;D
If anything is making me more excited it's thinking about the cast he assembled. None of them are A-List hollywood stars but they're all super talented. Most of them come from some of the best television shows in the past few years. After reading the old leaks script, I have to say that the best part of it were the Loonies.
But the rest is crap unfortunately.
I wouldn't say crap, but the third act definitely needs work. Which from what it sounds like, they're currently re-shooting and doing some additional filming. Doesn't mean it's automatically going to be perfect though, but I have hope. Shane Black is a good writer, he really is, but he co-wrote this with Fred Dekker who hasn't done a lot recently. The dialogue was very 80's and 90's humour which doesn't work anymore. Shane Black has also said that while they were trying to figure out these characters they decided to just cast the roles and build up the roles around the actors. He's got a great ensemble, I think if you can make us care about the characters and give them some good dialogue so if and obviously when some of them start getting ripped apart we care.
But there are a lot of other things that need to be done right as well.
this dosen't give me much hope for this movie :(
why not ask John McTiernan he would do another perfect predator movie.
Quote from: dallevalle on May 17, 2018, 04:08:40 PM
this dosen't give me much hope for this movie :(
why not ask John McTiernan he would do another perfect predator movie.
He was in prison during what seems like most of the early development stages of this movie. Shane Black announced back in 2014 that he was going to make this movie, McTiernan was released from prison in early 2014 and was on house arrest until later that year. I believe he got in trouble with the law the following year as well. I don't think he'll be doing any movies anytime soon.
It still amazes me that McTiernan directed Rollerball. One of the worst things I've ever seen.
Quote from: Hollywood on May 17, 2018, 04:18:31 PM
It still amazes me that McTiernan directed Rollerball. One of the worst things I've ever seen.
I know right ? :laugh:
To be fair though, it had a lot of studio meddling and it was when McTiernan started having trouble with justice.
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on May 17, 2018, 04:22:47 PM
Quote from: Hollywood on May 17, 2018, 04:18:31 PM
It still amazes me that McTiernan directed Rollerball. One of the worst things I've ever seen.
I know right ? :laugh:
To be fair though, it had a lot of studio meddling and it was when McTiernan started having trouble with justice.
well to be fair id rather watch rollerball than any shane black movie
rollerball is very very underrated.
Quote from: dallevalle on May 17, 2018, 04:25:09 PM
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on May 17, 2018, 04:22:47 PM
Quote from: Hollywood on May 17, 2018, 04:18:31 PM
It still amazes me that McTiernan directed Rollerball. One of the worst things I've ever seen.
I know right ? :laugh:
To be fair though, it had a lot of studio meddling and it was when McTiernan started having trouble with justice.
well to be fair id rather watch rollerball than any shane black movie
rollerball is very very underrated.
Hum... ok...
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on May 17, 2018, 04:22:47 PM
Quote from: Hollywood on May 17, 2018, 04:18:31 PM
It still amazes me that McTiernan directed Rollerball. One of the worst things I've ever seen.
I know right ? :laugh:
To be fair though, it had a lot of studio meddling and it was when McTiernan started having trouble with justice.
Oh I didn't know that, explains a lot then!
Quote from: dallevalle on May 17, 2018, 04:25:09 PM
well to be fair id rather watch rollerball than any shane black movie
rollerball is very very underrated.
I disagree, I can't even entertain the thought of watching it again.
LOL Rollerball.
Pretty safe to say that- anything with LL-Cool J was gonna come out to be C-level entertainment, it woulda gone straight to Netflix had they had it.
What Shane Black is trying to tell us, guys and gals, is that it's about family, and that's what makes it so powerful.
Quote from: OpenMaw on May 17, 2018, 08:21:26 PM
What Shane Black is trying to tell us, guys and gals, is that it's about family, and that's what makes it so powerful.
Vin Diesel would approve.
Quote from: Original Predator on May 17, 2018, 05:46:15 PM
LOL Rollerball.
Pretty safe to say that- anything with LL-Cool J was gonna come out to be C-level entertainment, it woulda gone straight to Netflix had they had it.
Right on. Though I admit, Deep Blue Sea wasn't half bad. There is something magnetic about that guy.
Quote from: Original Predator on May 17, 2018, 05:46:15 PM
LOL Rollerball.
Pretty safe to say that- anything with LL-Cool J was gonna come out to be C-level entertainment, it woulda gone straight to Netflix had they had it.
deep blue sea is amazing too.
Quote from: dallevalle on May 18, 2018, 10:06:41 AM
Quote from: Original Predator on May 17, 2018, 05:46:15 PM
LOL Rollerball.
Pretty safe to say that- anything with LL-Cool J was gonna come out to be C-level entertainment, it woulda gone straight to Netflix had they had it.
deep blue sea is amazing too.
But the computer effects got old as f**k.
Quote from: Master on May 18, 2018, 10:14:53 AM
Quote from: dallevalle on May 18, 2018, 10:06:41 AM
Quote from: Original Predator on May 17, 2018, 05:46:15 PM
LOL Rollerball.
Pretty safe to say that- anything with LL-Cool J was gonna come out to be C-level entertainment, it woulda gone straight to Netflix had they had it.
deep blue sea is amazing too.
But the computer effects got old as f**k.
no shit the movie is also from 1999 but remember not every shark scene in the movie is computer effects.
The Mummy is from 99 as well and the effects are supperb. Same with Matrix same with Phantom Menace.
Quote from: Master on May 18, 2018, 11:04:18 AM
The Mummy is from 99 as well and the effects are supperb. Same with Matrix same with Phantom Menace.
go back and watch the mummy those effects are not that great anymore and dont forget the matrix reloaded agent smith cgi battle :3 gagagaga
of course the star wars effects are good because more money put into it.
Quote from: Master on May 18, 2018, 11:04:18 AM
The Mummy is from 99 as well and the effects are supperb. Same with Matrix same with Phantom Menace.
IMHO Starship Troopers still holds up to this day.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 18, 2018, 11:16:04 AM
Quote from: Master on May 18, 2018, 11:04:18 AM
The Mummy is from 99 as well and the effects are supperb. Same with Matrix same with Phantom Menace.
IMHO Starship Troopers still holds up to this day.
yeah starship troopers holds up so well what a underrated movie my god now thats a masterpiece.
Effects in Mummy Returns and Matrix Reloaded are not tje effects from Mummy and Matrix. On the other hand every cgi shot from deel blue sea is crap.
Quote from: Master on May 18, 2018, 11:18:49 AM
Effects in Mummy Returns and Matrix Reloaded are not tje effects from Mummy and Matrix. On the other hand every cgi shot from deel blue sea is crap.
i never said the mummy returns :)
I know. First Mummy still hold it's ground.
Quote from: Master on May 18, 2018, 11:20:27 AM
I know. First Mummy still hold it's ground.
not for me, sure back then they looked good but now
naaaah.
Better then those from Mummy 2017
Quote from: Master on May 18, 2018, 11:23:16 AM
Better then those from Mummy 2017
that is incorrect the movie might have been average but the effects are pretty good.
Average at best.
i get it you have the nostalgia glasses on that's fine we all do that :)
The jaw dropping effects in the 1999 The Mummy do not hold up well, nor does the mummy without his skin.
Talking of film effects holding the test of time , anyone find it mad how well Lord Of The Rings holds up compared to The Hobbit ? Imo Lord Of The Rings is proof practical effects when done well always out shine CGI , another example is Jurassic park 1,2,3 , they have all aged really well , then Jurassic world decided to throw a spanner in the works and make it a CGI fest , and it frankly looks terrible. I don't buy this whole "CGI is very expensive" nonsense, i think it's a ploy used by Hollywood to make movies on the cheap , but make the viewer believe its groundbreaking. At the end of the day it's computer graphics , and things like Pixar's render man have been public for years , so how expensive is it really ? I'm not saying there isn't talent in the CGI world , there's some quality artists out there , but surly a life sized Tyrannosaurus rex puppet with animatronics is more expensive to make than a CGI counter part ?
Quote from: ELDERCLANLEADER on May 18, 2018, 12:50:31 PM
Talking of film effects holding the test of time , anyone find it mad how well Lord Of The Rings holds up compared to The Hobbit ? Imo Lord Of The Rings is proof practical effects when done well always out shine CGI , another example is Jurassic park 1,2,3 , they have all aged really well , then Jurassic world decided to throw a spanner in the works and make it a CGI fest , and it frankly looks terrible. I don't buy this whole "CGI is very expensive" nonsense, i think it's a ploy used by Hollywood to make movies on the cheap , but make the viewer believe its groundbreaking. At the end of the day it's computer graphics , and things like Pixar's render man have been public for years , so how expensive is it really ? I'm not saying there isn't talent in the CGI world , there's some quality artists out there , but surly a life sized Tyrannosaurus rex puppet with animatronics is more expensive to make than a CGI counter part ?
What I heard form ADI studio that CGI will cost the same or more compare to Practical effects, but the reason CGI is more popular for producers is because the when theys shoot a scene, and finished, and if something didn't work the way they wanted, they would need to create puppits and practical effects again, when CGI is just there and you can reuse as much time as you want. Producers thinks that it's better and more comfartable to use CGI then practical effects. THey don't want to spend money on the same thing. They pey for practical effects, and after they need to pay again, because something didn't work as they expected. Where for CGI the peying once(more expencive) but they don't need to pay for the VIsual Effect again. That's explanation from ADI heads. So yeh CGI is not cheaper then practical, they just don't want to pay twice. ;)
Azamultic I have to disagree bro , why is it more expensive ? It's a computer and a artist and a modelling program , as I say Pixar released Renderman to the public , if it was so expensive why would they do that ? Surely that's where the expense is right ?
I'm not taking away from CGI because when it's done right , it's incredible and you would never know it was being used ... the film zodiac was almost entirely CGI and again you would never even know. But when they say CGI is more expensive than practical effects , I just don't buy it , perhaps 10-15 years ago it was , but not anymore. I think it's all just a cop out to make films more cheaply. All the films that used CGI correctly used it as a last resort.
In my opinion CGI should only be used to do the things practical effects could never achieve, it should be another tool in the workman box that's there if you need it , but only when you need it. I don't think it should be the go to thing , build your sets properly and if it needs a CGI makeover so be it , but whole worlds build out of rendering is lazy film making imo.
Quote from: ELDERCLANLEADER on May 18, 2018, 04:24:23 PM
Azamultic I have to disagree bro , why is it more expensive ? It's a computer and a artist and a modelling program , as I say Pixar released Renderman to the public , if it was so expensive why would they do that ? Surely that's where the expense is right ?
I'm not taking away from CGI because when it's done right , it's incredible and you would never know it was being used ... the film zodiac was almost entirely CGI and again you would never even know. But when they say CGI is more expensive than practical effects , I just don't buy it , perhaps 10-15 years ago it was , but not anymore. I think it's all just a cop out to make films more cheaply. All the films that used CGI correctly used it as a last resort.
In my opinion CGI should only be used to do the things practical effects could never achieve, it should be another tool in the workman box that's there if you need it , but only when you need it. I don't think it should be the go to thing , build your sets properly and if it needs a CGI makeover so be it , but whole worlds build out of rendering is lazy film making imo.
I am not protecting CGI) Even though I am 3d modeler, I do love practical effects, and wish it was used more. So I am totaly on your side. I am just saying that CGI commonly accepted as a cheap way of making movies by regular people, but a lot of people form the industry saying otherwise, it's why I lfet my comment. I never worked for ILM, so I can't tell you from my expirience that CGI is much more expencisve then practical, but if profesionals do say though, I decide to believe them, until somebody oficially will debunk it ;) and having free render engin Renderman is not even the slightest going to help make CGI cheaper) You need, animators, riggers, 3d modelers, texturers. renderers, technical artist, composoters supervisers, and a lot other programs to make CGI ;) Renderman just a rendering engine. :)
Yeah I mean to be fair I didn't take that into account, but even if hypothetically it is more expensive , that doesn't mean the outcome is better. People go on about how good avatar looked and imo it just looked like an above average video game. I feel that when CGI is used right it works, if it's used too much I think it takes away from the realism your trying to portray. The audience can relate far better to a man in a suit or a puppet than something made in CGI especially when it comes to creatures. The truth is CGI just isn't good enough yet , it might be photorealistic but ultimately it looks fake. Imagine E.T the extra terrestrial being made out of CGI , it just wouldn't hold its weight in gold the way it does now. :-
Quote from: ELDERCLANLEADER on May 18, 2018, 05:14:31 PM
Yeah I mean to be fair I didn't take that into account, but even if hypothetically it is more expensive , that doesn't mean the outcome is better. People go on about how good avatar looked and imo it just looked like an above average video game. I feel that when CGI is used right it works, if it's used too much I think it takes away from the realism your trying to portray. The audience can relate far better to a man in a suit or a puppet than something made in CGI especially when it comes to creatures. The truth is CGI just isn't good enough yet , it might be photorealistic but ultimately it looks fake. Imagine E.T the extra terrestrial being made out of CGI , it just wouldn't hold its weight in gold the way it does now. :-
I am totally agree ;)
Anyhow , you still excited for The Predator azamultic ? I am .. it's all I can think about ;D
Quote from: ELDERCLANLEADER on May 18, 2018, 05:42:27 PM
Anyhow , you still excited for The Predator azamultic ? I am .. it's all I can think about ;D
Of course brother! ;) Can't waint for new footage of predator, of course it's better not see nothign and wait for the movie, but I can't help but want to see new stuff ;D Also, I found youtube chanel of the stunt actor who plays one of the predators, check him out Elder he has parkour videos, looks really nice. Brian A Prince
https://www.youtube.com/user/BlakTAB/videos (https://www.youtube.com/user/BlakTAB/videos)
Yeah me too bro , I'll check it out when I get home later , I'm really excited to seeing predator more mobile and agile, it's something that's lacked in recent films. I've always imagined him being able to hop about parkour style from tree to tree etc, so I'm really pleased they are implementing it into the new film. Honestly I think The Predator is going to be a hit , I just hope the fans don't boycott it and ruin any success it might bring to the franchise. They have to at least give it a chance surely,
Like I said the other day fans bring down franchises long before studio companies do, and if I don't see a new predator film for 20 years all because some fans can't accept change is needed to the formula , and so the film flops because no one bothered to see it , I'll be highly pissed at them , not Shane black. At the end of the day if they really cared about the character the way they claim , they would want the film to be a success, regardless if they like it or not.
It's sort of akin to biting your nose off to spite your face imo.
If the film is good it's succesfull. If not it's not. Simple as that.
Quote from: Master on May 18, 2018, 07:19:22 PM
If the film is good it's succesfull. If not it's not. Simple as that.
Not exactly, plenty of bad movies make tons of money. Transformers movies, DCEU films (which I have enjoyed, but many critics and fans tore apart), plus we get plenty of generic action flicks throughout the summer that make money (Rampage, etc). Overseas markets swarm to blockbusters regardless of quality.
There are also plenty of great blockbuster films that make no money. It all depends on the marketing, quality of the movie, which if it's good will lead to word of mouth and increased views. Fox will need to amp up the marketing once we get to August, they have a really good release date and can definitely do some box office if the movie works.
I just get the feeling some fans just want this film to fail , and are trying to bring it down , the negativity surrounding the film is huge, and I'm worried it's becoming a snowball and it's in every corner of the net at the moment, imo it's based on nothing. An old script and a minute and half sneak peak trailer apparently equals a bad movie with these guys and it's getting old. It's way to early and Predator is in turbulent times at the moment , with Disney's takeover of fox , Disney will have its eye on this film and if the film flops say goodbye to predator for 20 years , and imo its the negative fans that will of done that. I just believe if you truly love something , you would want it to succeed even if you didn't like it ..
Quote from: ELDERCLANLEADER on May 18, 2018, 07:40:30 PM
I just get the feeling some fans just want this film to fail , and are trying to bring it down , the negativity surrounding the film is huge, and I'm worried it's becoming a snowball and it's in every corner of the net at the moment, imo it's based on nothing. An old script and a minute and half sneak peak trailer apparently equals a bad movie with these guys and it's getting old. It's way to early and Predator is in turbulent times at the moment , with Disney's takeover of fox , Disney will have its eye on this film and if the film flops say goodbye to predator for 20 years , and imo its the negative fans that will of done that. I just believe if you truly love something , you would want it to succeed even if you didn't like it ..
Disney hasn't taken over Fox yet. It may not even happen. Comcast made a larger cash bid for Fox but nothing will happen for a while due to other deals being reviewed. It's business as usual until any of those deals go through.
But yes, I have also felt a sense of heavy negativity towards the film based off of a very old early draft and poorly edited teaser. Which does warrant some caution for the film but not the overall hatred it's been getting. Some people just deal in extremes.
MudButt granted I was equally negative , but I realised it was based on largely nothing, hearsay a dodgy early script and mostly my own bias on what predator is to me as a person , the trailer was ok imo it was simple and to the point , I don't see nothing wrong with that , it was just a sneak peak at the end of day.
However the way some "fans" are literally trying to sabotage the film before it's come out is really starting to grate on me. I sort of feel like as someone who truly loves this character, I have to stick up for this film , because the simple fact remains we haven't seen it yet . By the way thanks for the heads up on Comcast bro , I wasn't aware of that ! ;)
Or maybe it has something to do with the story being subpair?
Master have you seen it yet ? Do you know something we don't ?
He's read the early leaked version of the script. Which I have too. It's not a great script, it's got an interesting idea but it goes sh*t bonkers in the third act. It also has some pretty bad dialogue throughout. However, as many have pointed out it was a very early draft. It seems some on this site are basing the movie with the idea that the script some people read is the one they shot.
Now, to be fair, there was some dialogue in the recently released teaser that was more or less the same from the script and there were even some scenes that were extremely similar to the script. BUT, it was only 90 SECONDS of footage. The movie is going to be at least 100 minutes. That's why reading a first draft of a movie isn't ideal because a script changes so much from the first draft to the final draft, hell even the shooting script changes. Plus once the movie is being filmed new ideas pop up. Shane Black has known to change things even during filming and write new scenes. Finally, when the movie is being edited it can become a completely different movie.
Yeah MudButt you hit the nail on the head there , look at the original predator film , there were tons of things that were in the early draft , that never made the final cut , he'll even the creature was different until they hired Stan winston , does that mean predator isn't a classic ? Of course not. People need to get of their high horse and just give the film a chance before they slate it.
There's nothing in the teaser that indicates major changes have taken place.
It's not about wanting it to fail. If they followed that script, it will be a failure.
OpenMaw you have seen a 90 second clip , stop acting like you know what's coming when you haven't even seen it, please for the love of god if you are a true predator fan you would give the film a fair chance and watch it then make your own judgment. Presides the script wasn't all bad anyway , I have the script at hand , and there is plenty in there to like. Any script can sound bad on paper but actually be kick ass with final product. I'm not having a go but I think a lot of the negativity is largely sheepish behaviour, and if the snowball carries on going down hill at the rate it's going , it's going to seriously hurt the film even if it is actually good. Just give it a chance before you slate it , that's all I ask .
And for the record I'm very sceptical of who actually has read the script and who is basing it on hearsay . The script isn't even online anymore , I have it because a very friendly Australian fan gave it to me , it's largely inside circles where the script is floating about , you can't just google it and find it , so I'm very wary of this whole "I've read the script" thing , sure you might off , but I think a lot of people are just regurgitating what other people have told them. I've read the script 3 times , and each time I read it , it got progressively better and better so there's that. ::)
In all honesty it's about execution. Whether or not that made changes to that script is meaningless. You can make a bad movie from a good script and vice versa. Plenty of things sound bad on paper and work out just fine. They've reshot the third act which in my opinion is where that script went way south. There's some good ideas there, it just needs to be reigned in a bit.
Quote from: ELDERCLANLEADER on May 19, 2018, 01:03:20 AM
OpenMaw you have seen a 90 second clip , stop acting like you know what's coming when you haven't even seen it, please for the love of god if you are a true predator fan you would give the film a fair chance and watch it then make your own judgment. Presides the script wasn't all bad anyway , I have the script at hand , and there is plenty in there to like. Any script can sound bad on paper but actually be kick ass with final product. I'm not having a go but I think a lot of the negativity is largely sheepish behaviour, and if the snowball carries on going down hill at the rate it's going , it's going to seriously hurt the film even if it is actually good. Just give it a chance before you slate it , that's all I ask .
And for the record I'm very sceptical of who actually has read the script and who is basing it on hearsay . The script isn't even online anymore , I have it because a very friendly Australian fan gave it to me , it's largely inside circles where the script is floating about , you can't just google it and find it , so I'm very wary of this whole "I've read the script" thing , sure you might off , but I think a lot of people are just regurgitating what other people have told them. I've read the script 3 times , and each time I read it , it got progressively better and better so there's that. ::)
A "true" fan doesn't blindly swallow whatever slop they are given. You can stop telling me what I can or cannot do based on what I do or do not know, thank you. :)
You need to stop being so insecure about other people having opinions that are not glowing praise. No, they will not hurt the film. The people putting together the ads, the writers, the director, the actors. They are the ones that will either make this thing succeed or fail. It's not up to the audience to make it succeed. We're the ones putting down money to see it. It's up to them to deliver quality, one way or the other.
Quote from: MudButt on May 19, 2018, 01:24:19 AM
In all honesty it's about execution. Whether or not that made changes to that script is meaningless. You can make a bad movie from a good script and vice versa. Plenty of things sound bad on paper and work out just fine. They've reshot the third act which in my opinion is where that script went way south. There's some good ideas there, it just needs to be reigned in a bit.
Up to a point. Terrible ideas are terrible ideas, you can only work against that so much. Now, if they take them out and replace them with more sensible or less insane stupidity then yes. You can change jokes, you can resequence events.
OpenMaw tell me where I told you what you can and cannot do ? I said just could you at least just watch the film first before you slate it , i said stop acting like you know what the film will turn out like , and that's exactly what you are doing . Where did I say the film is going to be awesome ? I didn't . Im simply implying that it's too early to judge the film currently, if it's bad believe me I'll be the first to be negative but right now your opinion isn't based on fact it's based on nothing. You remind me of those Star Wars fans that just skate every Star Wars film that comes out even thought they claim they are "fans"
Also if it was all that bad fox would of just pulled the plug , I don't accept any old slip either , I hated avp and predators and I'm not insecure by your opinions either , your entitled to them , especially when there is reason behind them , but right now openmaw frankly your opinions are largely just based on nothing but your own bias , I was the same a few months ago I'm no saint , and I'm not accusing you of hating on the film either , I'm cautiously excited, but some fans seem hell bent on sabataging any hype this film has got , and that's where it's damaging to the films box office , we live in the world of the internet , especially on Reddit and YouTube. I just don't like it when people pretend they know what the film will be like when they haven't even seen it , it's pretty arrogant in my opinion.
Quote from: MudButt on May 19, 2018, 01:24:19 AM
In all honesty it's about execution. Whether or not that made changes to that script is meaningless. You can make a bad movie from a good script and vice versa. Plenty of things sound bad on paper and work out just fine. They've reshot the third act which in my opinion is where that script went way south. There's some good ideas there, it just needs to be reigned in a bit.
I agree with this. I'm having fun thinking about the movie before it comes out, but I do have standards and won't praise what I don't like once I see it before my eyes. It depends how it's executed.
Still haven't seen anything I hate.
Also the new judge dredd film was awesome but failed at the box office because of a dodgy trailer and negativity , so your wrong openmaw negativity can kill a films success regardless of its good.
Openmaw is right. Get off your high horse old man clan leader. You been at it since the trailer. Given the track record of the movies that came after predator 2 it is a safe assumption this movie will be garbage too. It hasn't really show to be much else with the horrible leaked scripts, bad test screenings, extensive reshoots, and not to mention the lazy jump the shark idea of bringing in hybrids....
Quote from: ELDERCLANLEADER on May 19, 2018, 02:15:05 AM
Also the new judge dredd film was awesome but failed at the box office because of a dodgy trailer and negativity , so your wrong openmaw negativity can kill a films success regardless of its good.
Dredd did not fail at the box office because of some random assholes on a forum like me were saying it looked like garbage. Honestly, nobody knew that movie was coming out until it was already released. If anything is to blame for Dredd's poor reception, it was bad marketing. Nobody knew about it.
I get where you're coming from, but you're ultimately wrong. If they've made major changes, which I will restate the trailer we have seen does not indicate at all, then there's a change we're going to get something decent, but between the leaked outline, the script, this trailer, and other aspects I don't have hopes we're going to get a quality Predator film this time.
I'm not someone who goes into movies with blind optimism that it'll be good, especially when things indicate the opposite. I do try to go into films in a neutral position.
I'm not saying it can't be good. I'm saying that some very basic fundamental things in that script need to change before it can be good, and I hope that Shane Black was sensible when he read the script that he said "Wow, that's a terrible. Let's change that."
Quote from: brokentusk420 on May 19, 2018, 03:43:00 PM
Given the track record of the movies that came after predator 2 it is a safe assumption this movie will be garbage too.
Yes that makes perfect sense... Wait...
Quote from: brokentusk420 on May 19, 2018, 03:43:00 PM
Openmaw is right. Get off your high horse old man clan leader. You been at it since the trailer. Given the track record of the movies that came after predator 2 it is a safe assumption this movie will be garbage too. It hasn't really show to be much else with the horrible leaked scripts, bad test screenings, extensive reshoots, and not to mention the lazy jump the shark idea of bringing in hybrids....
Quote from: OpenMaw on May 19, 2018, 03:54:09 PM
Quote from: ELDERCLANLEADER on May 19, 2018, 02:15:05 AM
Also the new judge dredd film was awesome but failed at the box office because of a dodgy trailer and negativity , so your wrong openmaw negativity can kill a films success regardless of its good.
Dredd did not fail at the box office because of some random assholes on a forum like me were saying it looked like garbage. Honestly, nobody knew that movie was coming out until it was already released. If anything is to blame for Dredd's poor reception, it was bad marketing. Nobody knew about it.
I get where you're coming from, but you're ultimately wrong. If they've made major changes, which I will restate the trailer we have seen does not indicate at all, then there's a change we're going to get something decent, but between the leaked outline, the script, this trailer, and other aspects I don't have hopes we're going to get a quality Predator film this time.
I'm not someone who goes into movies with blind optimism that it'll be good, especially when things indicate the opposite. I do try to go into films in a neutral position.
I'm not saying it can't be good. I'm saying that some very basic fundamental things in that script need to change before it can be good, and I hope that Shane Black was sensible when he read the script that he said "Wow, that's a terrible. Let's change that."
Basically this. You guys are right. It's not negativity for the sake of it, it's the story full of stupid ideas. No one who read the script said "woah, it's the great story! Can wait!". Most outright say it's crap and others who are more toned down and/or positive say "let's see who it turns out". I'm the most towards third group, but the crapieness of the script is a fact.
Yeah I mean don't get me wrong openpaw I like your logic , as it does have solid reason , the same reason I was negative for a while for. But honestly when people say the script isn't bad Im wary of they have actually read it , I've read the script 3 times now , and there was plenty I did like , and some things I admittedly didn't , for me it was the third act where things were very questionable, but seeing as they reshot the entire third act I have hope , however I don't think the trailer was bad , but it wasn't great either , providing they follow up with a solid trailer in the coming weeks , it did what it intended which was a sneak peak. This isn't a personal attack on you openpaw , as I've said you are more than entitled to your opinion, but I'm equally entitled to mine. And I still think the simple fact remains we just don't know how well this film will turn out , it could be bad , it could be good. Like I said previously the original predator had massive changes made in its production, the script was quite a bit different too. My point being one bad early script does not mean it's going to suck , there are countless examples for films that shouldn't work on paper , turning out to be great films. Like many people have said it's ultimately down to execution. As long as the predators are badass and have flavour I'll be happy , as it's ultimately why I love the franchise , to just have fun ! ;D
My guts tell me this film will flop , not because it's bad but because of the negativity, websites like rotten tomatoes can seriously damage a film , the way they rate films is a bit of joke , even studios have accused rotten tomatoes of trying to sabotage their films , however I think it will end up a cult classic in the long run , I just honestly think the film will be far better than it seems right now. But of course that's only my opinion.
Quote from: ELDERCLANLEADER on May 19, 2018, 05:17:02 PM
My guts tell me this film will flop , not because it's bad but because of the negativity, websites like rotten tomatoes can seriously damage a film , the way they rate films is a bit of joke , even studios have accused rotten tomatoes of trying to sabotage their films , however I think it will end up a cult classic in the long run , I just honestly think the film will be far better than it seems right now. But of course that's only my opinion.
What part of this film that you've heard about or read about so far screams "cult classic" to you?
Like I said , it's all on execution. The fact is we have a good solid cast , a good director and a large budget , it has a lot going for it .
I'm not going to throw all my eggs in one basket all because of a old bad dodgy script. Without the changes made to the original predator film during its production , it would of just been another B movie , instead it's now a cult classic. The Predator could easily do the same. Also if you go into the cinema with totally negative vibes to begin with , you are just going to pick the film apart , rather than enjoying it for what it is , and again openmaw ehy can't you just admit that the truth is you don't know how it will turn out. You seem convinced it's going to bad , it's like your not prepared to give it a chance first.
Quote from: ELDERCLANLEADER on May 19, 2018, 05:17:02 PM
My guts tell me this film will flop , not because it's bad but because of the negativity, websites like rotten tomatoes can seriously damage a film , the way they rate films is a bit of joke , even studios have accused rotten tomatoes of trying to sabotage their films , however I think it will end up a cult classic in the long run , I just honestly think the film will be far better than it seems right now. But of course that's only my opinion.
If the film has received negativity, it's earned it. Between what I've heard of the leaked script, the lack of marketing thus far, and some of the set photos that have been seen, plus the trailer, it doesn't "look" (at this time) like a good movie. Goodness gracious, the reactions to the previews were such that a chunk of the movie had to be redone, and some tonal changes made.
Now is this enough to say it sucks? I don't think so. Websites that review movies can say whatever they want, but as an individual, I prefer to form my own opinions on whether something was good or not by experiencing it for myself. I wouldn't give R.T. too much credit for whatever happens to this film, nor would I say it's going to be a cult classic. It will be released and real life everyday people (like us) will see it. It's going to work for some, and fail for others. And for certain viewers, it'll be downright terrible
In my personal opinion, if this film flops it will simply be because it will have failed to resonate with the majority of the modern audience. I see it bringing in 215m-260m on the high end and definitely no more. Maybe 275m, if all the planets line up correctly. Probably making back 125% on top of it's production budget, or something to that effect. People want Dinosaurs and Pixar movies now; stuff the whole family can see. The market and the audience for this sort of thing is simply not what it used to be. And don't forget a pg-13 "Meg" is coming out in August, with a large budget and a barrel of laughs apparently. So that's not going to help any.