We recently received another set of exclusive images from the set of Prometheus that look to be like the Space Jockey chair images we posted some months ago:
You can find a further four images from our anonymous source in our forums.
Quote from: BonesawT101 on Dec 09, 2011, 07:06:19 PM
looks almost like the jockey is actually in the chair, although the head seems to be missing. interesting! thanks hicks!
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 09, 2011, 07:12:19 PM
I'm sure wmmvrrvrrmm did an article on that connection?
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 09, 2011, 07:35:17 PM
It's not fake. My guarantee.
Quote from: KirklandSignature on Dec 09, 2011, 07:43:00 PMQuote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 09, 2011, 07:35:17 PM
It's not fake. My guarantee.
Doesn't make sense, why would the SJ chair be in this movie if it's not an Alien movie? I remember there was a picture of of the SJ released a while back and it was some kind of Aprils fool joke, why wouldnt this be a joke as well?
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 09, 2011, 07:46:36 PMQuote from: KirklandSignature on Dec 09, 2011, 07:43:00 PMQuote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 09, 2011, 07:35:17 PM
It's not fake. My guarantee.
Doesn't make sense, why would the SJ chair be in this movie if it's not an Alien movie? I remember there was a picture of of the SJ released a while back and it was some kind of Aprils fool joke, why wouldnt this be a joke as well?
It is an Alien movie. That much has been growing very obvious. Didn't you see the leaked trailer? You can clearly see the Jockey chair raising from a platform.
Quote from: KirklandSignature on Dec 09, 2011, 07:53:14 PMQuote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 09, 2011, 07:46:36 PMQuote from: KirklandSignature on Dec 09, 2011, 07:43:00 PMQuote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 09, 2011, 07:35:17 PM
It's not fake. My guarantee.
Doesn't make sense, why would the SJ chair be in this movie if it's not an Alien movie? I remember there was a picture of of the SJ released a while back and it was some kind of Aprils fool joke, why wouldnt this be a joke as well?
It is an Alien movie. That much has been growing very obvious. Didn't you see the leaked trailer? You can clearly see the Jockey chair raising from a platform.
I'm trying to avoid any spoilers here. Judging from the responses, I take it there's alot of spoiler-esque material shown in the leak.
Quote from: droideggs on Dec 09, 2011, 07:10:53 PM
Ripped from the Egyptian Book of the Dead ;)
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 09, 2011, 08:00:20 PMQuote from: KirklandSignature on Dec 09, 2011, 07:53:14 PMQuote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 09, 2011, 07:46:36 PMQuote from: KirklandSignature on Dec 09, 2011, 07:43:00 PMQuote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 09, 2011, 07:35:17 PM
It's not fake. My guarantee.
Doesn't make sense, why would the SJ chair be in this movie if it's not an Alien movie? I remember there was a picture of of the SJ released a while back and it was some kind of Aprils fool joke, why wouldnt this be a joke as well?
It is an Alien movie. That much has been growing very obvious. Didn't you see the leaked trailer? You can clearly see the Jockey chair raising from a platform.
I'm trying to avoid any spoilers here. Judging from the responses, I take it there's alot of spoiler-esque material shown in the leak.
No more so than any usual trailer. It's just very obvious this is Alien.
Quote from: wmmvrrvrrmm on Dec 09, 2011, 07:43:09 PM
The Space Jockey and seat in the original film inspires me a lot. This thing, ahem, well... I suppose we'll have to see what is shown in in the actual film.
Quote from: KirklandSignature on Dec 09, 2011, 08:37:38 PM
Has there been any solid proof that this is in fact an ALIEN movie? Last time I checked, I thought Ridley was beating around the bush by not confirming this, saying only "strands of DNA" from Alien would be in it.
QuoteI don't understand how people judge a movie entire that they haven't seen based on a prop that's a bit damaged, no on a set, and not lit correctly. Breathe people. It's okay.You should have seen gundam fans when Gundam AGE first revealed it's stills, the ignorance was beyond rampant. :laugh:
QuotePrometheus is an ALIEN spin-off prequel, set in the same universe exploring other ideas presented in ALIEN with some connecting strands to the original series.This, although one has to wonder if this'll contradict the events of the Predator and AVP movies. They could do what Predators did and just ignore them while keeping canon, which is what I'm hoping. My biggest concern lies with whether or not they make xenomorphs essentially alien mutations/experiments.
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Dec 09, 2011, 10:57:49 PM
The larger majority of films these days use actual sets.
Quote from: Some Mothers Do Have Em! on Dec 09, 2011, 11:20:35 PM
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Is this meant to be the telescope part?
Quote from: Hellspawn28 on Dec 09, 2011, 10:40:44 PM
Movies in Hollywood hardly use sets in the past five years. Other then the recent Marvel films, the Saw films and Hellboy 1-2, I can't think of the last time that they use sets and practical effects. Recent movies in the past several years like Van Helsing (2004), The Day After Tomorrow (2004), The Island (2005), 2012 (2009), the Transformers films, Tron: Legacy (2010) and Green Lantern (2011) use all CG and no real practical effects.
Quote from: Twin Drive Sigma Aquarion on Dec 09, 2011, 11:19:48 PM
I can't find the leaked trailer. :(QuoteI don't understand how people judge a movie entire that they haven't seen based on a prop that's a bit damaged, no on a set, and not lit correctly. Breathe people. It's okay.You should have seen gundam fans when Gundam AGE first revealed it's stills, the ignorance was beyond rampant. :laugh:QuotePrometheus is an ALIEN spin-off prequel, set in the same universe exploring other ideas presented in ALIEN with some connecting strands to the original series.This, although one has to wonder if this'll contradict the events of the Predator and AVP movies. They could do what Predators did and just ignore them while keeping canon, which is what I'm hoping. My biggest concern lies with whether or not they make xenomorphs essentially alien mutations/experiments.
Quote from: Twin Drive Sigma Aquarion on Dec 09, 2011, 11:19:48 PM
one has to wonder if this'll contradict the events of the Predator and AVP movies.
Quote from: Hellspawn28 on Dec 09, 2011, 10:40:44 PM
Movies in Hollywood hardly use sets in the past five years... Tron: Legacy (2010)... use all CG and no real practical effects.
Quote from: Twin Drive Sigma Aquarion on Dec 10, 2011, 04:05:22 AM
You guys suck. :P Besides, I thought the AVP movies were really good.
Quote from: Twin Drive Sigma Aquarion on Dec 10, 2011, 04:34:11 AMWell i guess he met the wrong guy with the right skills:
Anyway, why would an SJ be decapitated?
Quote from: Mr. Clemens on Dec 10, 2011, 04:36:52 AM
Hang on - you thought Requiem was really good? Like, Alien vs. Pizza Delivery Guy? Just need to clear that up...
QuoteHang on - you thought Requiem was really good? Like, Alien vs. Pizza Delivery Guy? Just need to clear that up...It's my third favorite in the franchise after Alien 3 and Predator 2. With that said I'm now going to head to the hills for cover.
Quote from: St_Eddie on Dec 10, 2011, 04:53:08 AMThere's always one!
Quote from: Mr. Clemens on Dec 10, 2011, 04:59:14 AMYou know what? I'm gonna put this movie on for another look right now. What the hell... I'm drunk enough! ;D
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Dec 10, 2011, 05:08:10 AM
What franchise? Alien is it's own thing. Predator is its own thing. AvP is it's own thing. They are not related or connected, I don't care what anyone says. LOL
Quote from: Never say no to Panda! on Dec 10, 2011, 05:04:08 AM
There is no girl on my image :(
Quote from: Never say no to Panda! on Dec 10, 2011, 05:50:20 AM...so he stated that he always looked at the clock behind her.... and asks him "Are you looking at me ... or the clock?"
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Dec 10, 2011, 05:08:10 AM
What franchise? Alien is it's own thing. Predator is its own thing. AvP is it's own thing. They are not related or connected, I don't care what anyone says. LOL
Quote from: DaddyYautja on Dec 10, 2011, 09:35:13 AMThat looks more mechanical than i remember. It needs more bio.
Quote from: DaddyYautja on Dec 10, 2011, 09:35:13 AM
That looks more mechanical than i remember. It needs more bio.
Quote from: Never say no to Panda! on Dec 10, 2011, 09:51:39 AM
A big event will melt all that mechanical stuff into biological mass...chair, urns, ship... :o
Quote from: Zenzucht on Dec 10, 2011, 11:31:04 AM
Oh my Yoda, if there were photo with full cast before the Jockey's chair, someone would say it's photoshopped.. ???
Quote from: harlock on Dec 09, 2011, 08:47:59 PM
It also does seem way smaller than the one sculpted for ALIEN...
Quote from: Xenoscream on Dec 10, 2011, 08:26:32 PM
I still say the fact that the jockey is not actually growing out of the chair is blasphemy.
Quote from: Xenoscream on Dec 10, 2011, 08:26:32 PMI don't know, man. They can work on that in countless ways. They could for example say that the Jockey literally 'fuses' with its biomechanical technology. That'd actually be a cool idea.
I still say the fact that the jockey is not actually growing out of the chair is blasphemy.
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Dec 10, 2011, 10:35:50 PMQuote from: Xenoscream on Dec 10, 2011, 08:26:32 PMI don't know, man. They can work on that in countless ways. They could for example say that the Jockey literally 'fuses' with its biomechanical technology. That'd actually be a cool idea.
I still say the fact that the jockey is not actually growing out of the chair is blasphemy.
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Dec 10, 2011, 02:36:51 PM
You're not digging it?
Not digging what that it's a photo of what looks like a Jockey chair, a bit worse for the wear, probably post-shoot and set aside?
I'm not saying it's the most awesome of awesome, but this is the stuff of fan boy dreams, a Jockey chair, reconstructed to play out in some way in Prometheus. How could the idea of this chair not slay us all in geekdom orgasmic jizzy bliss? lol
Quote from: JaaayDee on Dec 11, 2011, 12:49:37 AM
I don't like enjoying things.
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Dec 10, 2011, 10:35:50 PMThe creature we finally ended up building is biomechanical to the extent that he has physically grown into, or maybe even out of, his seat – he's integrated totally into the function he performs.'Quote from: Xenoscream on Dec 10, 2011, 08:26:32 PMI don't know, man. They can work on that in countless ways. They could for example say that the Jockey literally 'fuses' with its biomechanical technology. That'd actually be a cool idea.
I still say the fact that the jockey is not actually growing out of the chair is blasphemy.
Quote from: KirklandSignature on Dec 09, 2011, 08:37:38 PM
Has there been any solid proof that this is in fact an ALIEN movie? Last time I checked, I thought Ridley was beating around the bush by not confirming this, saying only "strands of DNA" from Alien would be in it.
Quote from: Xenoscream on Dec 10, 2011, 08:26:32 PM
I still say the fact that the jockey is not actually growing out of the chair is blasphemy.
Quote from: Ash 937 on Dec 11, 2011, 12:47:51 AMYou are CANCER!
This might be cool if Quentin Tarantino has written the movie but I think we're just gonna get a lot of regular science talk instead.
Quote from: genocyber on Dec 11, 2011, 10:29:45 AMQuote from: Ash 937 on Dec 11, 2011, 12:47:51 AMYou are CANCER!
This might be cool if Quentin Tarantino has written the movie but I think we're just gonna get a lot of regular science talk instead.
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Dec 11, 2011, 03:36:35 AM
For some reason, a few of the production team are taking the view that it doesn't qualify as a 'true' prequel if it doesn't segue immediately into the events of the first film, which is slightly strange.
Quote from: nendo on Dec 11, 2011, 11:30:03 AMQuote from: Xenomorphine on Dec 11, 2011, 03:36:35 AM
For some reason, a few of the production team are taking the view that it doesn't qualify as a 'true' prequel if it doesn't segue immediately into the events of the first film, which is slightly strange.
I don't think its strange at all. Think about it from Foxs and Ridleys point of view. If they attach it as a prequel to alien there wouldn't be any other place to lead it other than towards the first alien film. I'm thinking both Ridley and Fox would like to have this branch out of the "alien" universe and make a brand new story arc arc wihtout people expecting it to lead directly into the story of alien. It would somewhat limit them into how experimental they could be.
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Dec 11, 2011, 04:44:04 AM
The Xenos aren't scary, the formula is tired and worn out.
Quote from: nendo on Dec 11, 2011, 11:30:03 AM
I don't think its strange at all. Think about it from Foxs and Ridleys point of view. If they attach it as a prequel to alien there wouldn't be any other place to lead it other than towards the first alien film. I'm thinking both Ridley and Fox would like to have this branch out of the "alien" universe and make a brand new story arc arc wihtout people expecting it to lead directly into the story of alien. It would somewhat limit them into how experimental they could be.
QuoteAlso the "alien" franchise has become so tired and old and I think both know that. So why associate it with something that's people are just gonna think "oh that franchise again" which people will think, there's more than us lot on these boards to think about. We are a minority.
Quote from: Ash 937 on Dec 11, 2011, 12:47:51 AM
Idk, the more pictures I see, the more I get convinced that this isn't gonna be the Alien prequel that I hoped for. It looks like a movie that is all about space jockeys and exploration rather than dark corridors and menacing xenomorphs. We've already been inside the derelict space ship and it was slow and boring. I have a feeling this film is going to be a lot slower, maybe even as slow as 2001: A Space Odyssey, and that it will be heavy on dialogue instead of action. This might be cool if Quentin Tarantino has written the movie but I think we're just gonna get a lot of regular science talk instead. Oh yeah, the jockeys are intelligent too so they will also probably talk so we will probably have to read subtitles for this movie too. Who wants any of that?
They should have just made Aliens: Colonial Marines into a full-fledged Alien film instead of this. Besides, Battlestar Gallactica was always better than Lost anyway.
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Dec 11, 2011, 03:36:35 AM
What's for definite is that the original film shows organic bone/fossil in places this is composed of metal. Unless post-production is just using it as a 'ribbed for her pleasure'-style guide to texture skin over... That would work.
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Dec 11, 2011, 12:23:54 PM
Why? None of that in any way negates it being a prequel.
You can have a film set before 'Jurassic Park' revolving around the race to get all the genetic codes necessary for the park to function. It could be some sort of Tom Clancy-esque techno-thriller, based around corporate espionage, completely different in tone from any of the others made before it.
But just because it wouldn't have the actual dinosaurs in it wouldn't mean it somehow isn't a prequel.
The only way this isn't a prequel is if they've decided, instead of setting it before 'Alien' to set it either between or after the existing sequels. That way, it's not technically a sequel to the first.
But considering we already know they're using 'Weyland' labels and the director said that's because it's set before the company later becomes Weyland-Yutani, that's not very likely.
Quote from: Spider-pope on Dec 11, 2011, 04:18:54 PMQuote from: Xenomorphine on Dec 11, 2011, 12:23:54 PM
Why? None of that in any way negates it being a prequel.
You can have a film set before 'Jurassic Park' revolving around the race to get all the genetic codes necessary for the park to function. It could be some sort of Tom Clancy-esque techno-thriller, based around corporate espionage, completely different in tone from any of the others made before it.
But just because it wouldn't have the actual dinosaurs in it wouldn't mean it somehow isn't a prequel.
The only way this isn't a prequel is if they've decided, instead of setting it before 'Alien' to set it either between or after the existing sequels. That way, it's not technically a sequel to the first.
But considering we already know they're using 'Weyland' labels and the director said that's because it's set before the company later becomes Weyland-Yutani, that's not very likely.
I wouldnt want to put words in his mouth, but the way i saw his post was that he was suggesting the reason why its not such a direct prequel to Alien is so that a sequel to Prometheus wouldnt necessarily have to continue forwards towards the first film nor tie directly into it.
So if for arguments sake Prometheus was set 1 year before Alien, Prometheus 2 wouldnt necessarily be set 6 months before Alien and carry on leading up to that film, but could go off on a tangent establishing a parallel story to Alien if Fox wanted to continue it as a franchise.
Quote from: St_Eddie on Dec 11, 2011, 04:38:35 PMThey hear the words "Alien prequel" and therefore expect the plot to revolve around a traditional Xeno chasing and killing a bunch of people.
Quote from: zuzuki on Dec 11, 2011, 11:55:14 AM
Prequel or not, i will be dissapointed if the events in this movie, will negate the ones in alien
Quote from: warneford87 on Dec 11, 2011, 06:27:55 PM
I have it on very good authority from a friend that has worked on the movie that the space jockeys will NOT be elephantine in appearance, they will in fact look very humanoid indeed. The "trunk" is actually a breathing apparatus.
Quote from: warneford87 on Dec 11, 2011, 06:27:55 PM
I have it on very good authority from a friend that has worked on the movie that the space jockeys will NOT be elephantine in appearance, they will in fact look very humanoid indeed. The "trunk" is actually a breathing apparatus.
Quote from: bobcunk on Dec 11, 2011, 07:26:32 PMGiger said it wasn't painted properly. Just the perfectionist in him.
wasn't that the original intention of Giger? it also seems to have a clear helmet in the painting. also i remember hearing that the Space jockey wasn't complete when filmed.
Quote from: Mr. Clemens on Dec 11, 2011, 05:32:40 PMQuote from: St_Eddie on Dec 11, 2011, 04:38:35 PMThey hear the words "Alien prequel" and therefore expect the plot to revolve around a traditional Xeno chasing and killing a bunch of people.
Not to mention, the word 'prequel' almost always meaning, 'shitty movie'. :D
Quote from: Damon Lindelof, writer of PrometheusI've always felt that really good prequels should be original movies. And the sequels to those prequels should not be the movie which already exists because, with all due respect to anyone who makes a prequel, but why would you ruin the greatest twist in the history of cinema, "Luke, I am your father", by showing me three movies which basically spoil that surprise. You can do movies which take place before Star Wars, but I don't need to see the story of the Skywalker clan. Show me something else which I can't guess the possible outcome of. There is no suspense in inevitability.
So a true prequel should essentially proceed the events of the original film, but be about something entirely different, feature different characters , have an entirely different theme, although it takes place in that same world. That was my fundamental feeling about what this movie wanted to be.
But I also do feel that this movie is the movie I would want to see as a fanboy, take place in that Alien universe, which precedes the events of the original Alien, but is not necessarily burdened by all the tropes of that franchise with Facehuggers and Chestbursters, and all that stuff that I love... but its sorta like, we've seen it before, can we do something different this time? And thats the movie that Ridley wanted to make. And when you're working with an auteur, you basically just shut your mouth and listen and try to transcribe and channel the vision of that person, and get out of the way.
Quote from: Valaquen on Dec 11, 2011, 07:28:50 PMQuote from: bobcunk on Dec 11, 2011, 07:26:32 PMGiger said it wasn't painted properly. Just the perfectionist in him.
wasn't that the original intention of Giger? it also seems to have a clear helmet in the painting. also i remember hearing that the Space jockey wasn't complete when filmed.
Quote from: tmjhur on Dec 11, 2011, 08:27:10 PMThat is certainly interesting. But if SJ's reproduced asexually, why would their species require eggs? The mystery continues.... :o
It had crashed on the planet and hatches out of it's body the means of reproducing itself.
Quote from: tmjhur on Dec 11, 2011, 08:27:10 PM
Guy on IMDB posted this idea which I quite like:
"The jockey shows evidence of having a 'John Hurt' moment so it's understandable that for all these years we have interpreted this as evidence of the jockey being a victim of the Alien.
It could be however that the warning isn't for members of it's own civilisation but just for other civilisations.
For it's own race this could be a way of extending it's life beyond death like a phoenix.
It had crashed on the planet and hatches out of it's body the means of reproducing itself.
If an organic member of it's own race went through the impregnation process the effects could be beneficial (an alien form of sexual reproduction turning their organic 'gender' into a complete biomechnoid jockey).
But an unprepared species like us would be converted into something new and dangerous (the Alien from the films we have seen), which is why it tries to warn off people and places warning signs around the eggs which accidentally act as a lure to curious humans like Kane."
Quote from: psychonaut25 on Dec 11, 2011, 08:46:12 PMQuote from: tmjhur on Dec 11, 2011, 08:27:10 PM
Guy on IMDB posted this idea which I quite like:
"The jockey shows evidence of having a 'John Hurt' moment so it's understandable that for all these years we have interpreted this as evidence of the jockey being a victim of the Alien.
It could be however that the warning isn't for members of it's own civilisation but just for other civilisations.
For it's own race this could be a way of extending it's life beyond death like a phoenix.
It had crashed on the planet and hatches out of it's body the means of reproducing itself.
If an organic member of it's own race went through the impregnation process the effects could be beneficial (an alien form of sexual reproduction turning their organic 'gender' into a complete biomechnoid jockey).
But an unprepared species like us would be converted into something new and dangerous (the Alien from the films we have seen), which is why it tries to warn off people and places warning signs around the eggs which accidentally act as a lure to curious humans like Kane."
OMG. IMDB again as a source of relevant information?? :owhat world we are living in....
Quote from: psychonaut25 on Dec 11, 2011, 08:20:34 PM
So there is a possibilty that Jockeys are in fact humanoid looking creatures and the trunk is just a part of a "helmet"
Quote from: psychonaut25 on Dec 11, 2011, 08:46:12 PMQuote from: tmjhur on Dec 11, 2011, 08:27:10 PM
Guy on IMDB posted this idea which I quite like:
"The jockey shows evidence of having a 'John Hurt' moment so it's understandable that for all these years we have interpreted this as evidence of the jockey being a victim of the Alien.
It could be however that the warning isn't for members of it's own civilisation but just for other civilisations.
For it's own race this could be a way of extending it's life beyond death like a phoenix.
It had crashed on the planet and hatches out of it's body the means of reproducing itself.
If an organic member of it's own race went through the impregnation process the effects could be beneficial (an alien form of sexual reproduction turning their organic 'gender' into a complete biomechnoid jockey).
But an unprepared species like us would be converted into something new and dangerous (the Alien from the films we have seen), which is why it tries to warn off people and places warning signs around the eggs which accidentally act as a lure to curious humans like Kane."
OMG. IMDB again as a source of relevant information?? :owhat world we are living in....
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Dec 11, 2011, 08:45:57 PM
Unfortunately, and as much as some people dislike Lindelof.....the people behind Prometheus (however much flawed) are big thinkers. Most of the time when these prequels come out, they're hatched by the Studios (corporations) behind them. George Lucas is no different, he made a series of prequel films, however dazzling to look at had ZERO substance.
In order to make a prequel work, a lot of serious thought has to go into how it can be made fresh and not just a retread, which is just what sequels become. Even ALIENS was a retread in many many ways.
I'm obviously hoping for the best when Prometheus releases, and as a betting man, I believe it will deliver in spades, but I'm also wary as well.
Quote from: Darth Vile on Dec 11, 2011, 09:27:36 PMQuote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Dec 11, 2011, 08:45:57 PM
Unfortunately, and as much as some people dislike Lindelof.....the people behind Prometheus (however much flawed) are big thinkers. Most of the time when these prequels come out, they're hatched by the Studios (corporations) behind them. George Lucas is no different, he made a series of prequel films, however dazzling to look at had ZERO substance.
In order to make a prequel work, a lot of serious thought has to go into how it can be made fresh and not just a retread, which is just what sequels become. Even ALIENS was a retread in many many ways.
I'm obviously hoping for the best when Prometheus releases, and as a betting man, I believe it will deliver in spades, but I'm also wary as well.
The Star Wars prequels had TOO much substance not "zero". Why tell a story about how democracies slide into dictatorships, where all the characters are either victims are perpetrators, when you can fill it full of loveable pirates, romance and explosions? The new Star Trek movie was devoid of any real substance... it wasn't "fresh", but it was entertaining enough. Ultimately, a prequel has to work within its own right and as a self contained movie... if its a decent movie, the importance of its links to the previous movies becomes rather academic.
Quote from: tmjhur on Dec 11, 2011, 08:27:10 PM
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Quote from: JKS1 on Dec 11, 2011, 09:43:05 PM
The stories and plotlines of the Star Wars prequels werent the problem
The shitty CGI, in particluar CGI characters, ruined them
Quote from: Darth Vile on Dec 12, 2011, 11:02:07 AMQuote from: JKS1 on Dec 11, 2011, 09:43:05 PM
The stories and plotlines of the Star Wars prequels werent the problem
The shitty CGI, in particluar CGI characters, ruined them
That seems a rather sweeping generalistaion... I wouldn't reduce the employemnt and advancementy of cutting edge technolgy to "shitty CGI". It seems rather simplistic. There was possibly an over abundance of it that the movies didn't need... but when did Lucas ever hold back at throwing everything but the kitchen sink at the Star Wars movies?
Quote from: St_Eddie on Dec 11, 2011, 07:53:00 PMQuote from: Mr. Clemens on Dec 11, 2011, 05:32:40 PMQuote from: St_Eddie on Dec 11, 2011, 04:38:35 PMThey hear the words "Alien prequel" and therefore expect the plot to revolve around a traditional Xeno chasing and killing a bunch of people.
Not to mention, the word 'prequel' almost always meaning, 'shitty movie'. :D
:laugh:
Very true.
I believe that Prometheus could be the film to break the prequel curse, due to the route it's taking. To quote Damon Lindelof...Quote from: Damon Lindelof, writer of PrometheusI've always felt that really good prequels should be original movies. And the sequels to those prequels should not be the movie which already exists because, with all due respect to anyone who makes a prequel, but why would you ruin the greatest twist in the history of cinema, "Luke, I am your father", by showing me three movies which basically spoil that surprise. You can do movies which take place before Star Wars, but I don't need to see the story of the Skywalker clan. Show me something else which I can't guess the possible outcome of. There is no suspense in inevitability.
So a true prequel should essentially proceed the events of the original film, but be about something entirely different, feature different characters , have an entirely different theme, although it takes place in that same world. That was my fundamental feeling about what this movie wanted to be.
But I also do feel that this movie is the movie I would want to see as a fanboy, take place in that Alien universe, which precedes the events of the original Alien, but is not necessarily burdened by all the tropes of that franchise with Facehuggers and Chestbursters, and all that stuff that I love... but its sorta like, we've seen it before, can we do something different this time? And thats the movie that Ridley wanted to make. And when you're working with an auteur, you basically just shut your mouth and listen and try to transcribe and channel the vision of that person, and get out of the way.
Seriously, these words need to become the standard template and approach for when making a prequel.
Quote from: Valaquen on Dec 12, 2011, 03:38:38 PM
There is a Star Wars thread elsewhere. CG debates tend to derail, so let's be careful and stick to topic.
Quote from: invertyourcross on Dec 12, 2011, 05:16:22 PM
Check out a lil' sharper image of the space jockey from the trailer.... I think you can clearly see he has that "trunk" under his space helmet. Also, I do remember hearing Ridley say that that could easily be the suit of the jockey that gives him the shape he appears to have in the original Alien.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/36021219@N06/6500024633/# (http://www.flickr.com/photos/36021219@N06/6500024633/#)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/36021219@N06/6500024499/# (http://www.flickr.com/photos/36021219@N06/6500024499/#)
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Dec 12, 2011, 05:13:48 PM
Ah...I don't know about all that
Spaceships entering atmosphere twice. - could be a model (ridley still loves his models)
Digital mates of environnement. - They were on location in many places, so this isn't holding up
The 3D holographic Earth map. - yes
Sandstorm.- maybe
The Engineer's ship. - a model perhaps
The Exploding in flight Engineer's ship - another model maybe
The Crashing Engineer's ship - see above
Quote from: locusta on Dec 12, 2011, 05:55:13 PM
Space Jockey design finally unveiled :Spoiler
(https://encrypted-tbn2.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQx6QOXFn4oQXWz1wStPT832z-1ehF5QMURLPJtbaXB6OA2mWJ0fQ)[close]
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Dec 12, 2011, 05:13:48 PM
Ah...I don't know about all that
Spaceships entering atmosphere twice. - could be a model (ridley still loves his models)
Digital mates of environnement. - They were on location in many places, so this isn't holding up
The 3D holographic Earth map. - yes
Sandstorm.- maybe
The Engineer's ship. - a model perhaps
The Exploding in flight Engineer's ship - another model maybe
The Crashing Engineer's ship - see above
Quote from: psychonaut25 on Dec 12, 2011, 06:27:10 PM
But where the **** is a jockey in this picture?
http://www.flickr.com/photos/36021219@N06/6500024633/# (http://www.flickr.com/photos/36021219@N06/6500024633/#)
Quote from: invertyourcross on Dec 12, 2011, 07:43:56 PM
Alright guys, sorry if I let ya down with that last post. But, here some more pics, I still stick with the space jockey idea... and check out the other one... alien egg?
http://www.flickr.com/photos/36021219@N06/6500824421/# (http://www.flickr.com/photos/36021219@N06/6500824421/#)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/36021219@N06/6500833703/#in/photostream (http://www.flickr.com/photos/36021219@N06/6500833703/#in/photostream)
Quote from: Never say no to Panda! on Dec 12, 2011, 08:06:39 PM
Already...had...them...several times ;)
Quote from: invertyourcross on Dec 12, 2011, 07:43:56 PMThat big ship is an SJ craft similiar to the derelict seen from behind. It has the same roundish double ports or whatever as the one in the original film.
Alright guys, sorry if I let ya down with that last post. But, here some more pics, I still stick with the space jockey idea... and check out the other one... alien egg?
http://www.flickr.com/photos/36021219@N06/6500824421/# (http://www.flickr.com/photos/36021219@N06/6500824421/#)
Quote from: nendo on Dec 12, 2011, 08:46:28 PM
It could be a big human because its closer to the camera than the other guy thats jumping towards him.
I would also like to point out these shape are very similar. Outlined in blue
http://img684.imageshack.us/img684/9800/prorv.png
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Dec 13, 2011, 12:41:22 AM
It looks like that thing burst out of the globe portion of the suit.
Okay...at this point I'm about insane with frustration that we didn't get a trailer today, nor has there been any kind of announcement.
....sigh....
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Dec 12, 2011, 03:50:46 PM
If the story is amazing, characters convincing, who cares about the CGI. Bring on Prometheus. No time for whining. ;) :)
QuoteI care about the CGI as it has the potential to ruin a movie for me, which is exactly what happened in star wars 1,2,3
Quote from: SM on Dec 13, 2011, 01:35:01 AM
http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/images/br_spinner_liftoff.jpg
Quote from: St_Eddie on Dec 13, 2011, 02:54:39 AMQuote from: SM on Dec 13, 2011, 01:35:01 AM
http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/images/br_spinner_liftoff.jpg
Those wires were digitally removed for the Final Cut. That's an example of a good use of CGI in conjunction with practical effects.
Quote from: St_Eddie on Dec 13, 2011, 02:54:39 AMQuote from: SM on Dec 13, 2011, 01:35:01 AM
http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/images/br_spinner_liftoff.jpg
Those wires were digitally removed for the Final Cut. That's an example of a good use of CGI in conjunction with practical effects.
Quote from: St_Eddie on Dec 13, 2011, 02:54:39 AMQuote from: SM on Dec 13, 2011, 01:35:01 AM
http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/images/br_spinner_liftoff.jpg
Those wires were digitally removed for the Final Cut. That's an example of a good use of CGI in conjunction with practical effects.
Quote from: SM on Dec 13, 2011, 03:37:09 AMQuote from: St_Eddie on Dec 13, 2011, 02:54:39 AMQuote from: SM on Dec 13, 2011, 01:35:01 AM
http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/images/br_spinner_liftoff.jpg
Those wires were digitally removed for the Final Cut. That's an example of a good use of CGI in conjunction with practical effects.
Those wires were visible in various versions of the film for 25 years - thus showing the a dodgy effect is a dodgy effect no matter how it's executed.
Quote from: SM on Dec 13, 2011, 03:52:45 AM
It was in response to "This is Ridley fu€king Scott peeps."
I know perfectly well all the stuff Riddles cleaned up and fixed in the Final Cut - but the fact remains he had a special effect that stuck out like big hairy dog balls in the flick for 25 years. He - just like any other filmmaker - is not above the odd dodgy effect.
QuoteYou can only blame a bad effect for being bad when it's made.
Quote from: Spider-pope on Dec 11, 2011, 04:18:54 PM
I wouldnt want to put words in his mouth, but the way i saw his post was that he was suggesting the reason why its not such a direct prequel to Alien is so that a sequel to Prometheus wouldnt necessarily have to continue forwards towards the first film nor tie directly into it.
So if for arguments sake Prometheus was set 1 year before Alien, Prometheus 2 wouldnt necessarily be set 6 months before Alien and carry on leading up to that film, but could go off on a tangent establishing a parallel story to Alien if Fox wanted to continue it as a franchise.
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Dec 11, 2011, 07:08:25 PM
Even Ridley Scott himself said the creature, as it appears today, is tired and not scary. Can it be made scary by way of a bit of a re-imagining of it? Yes. In terms of the that plot device of people running down corridors or hallways on space ships, that IS probably more worn out then the creature itself. It would have to be infused with something great to turn it on its head if a good director is going to use that formula once again. :)
Quote from: psychonaut25 on Dec 12, 2011, 06:27:10 PM
But where the **** is a jockey in this picture?
Quote from: SM on Dec 13, 2011, 03:52:45 AM
It was in response to "This is Ridley fu€king Scott peeps."
I know perfectly well all the stuff Riddles cleaned up and fixed in the Final Cut - but the fact remains he had a special effect that stuck out like big hairy dog balls in the flick for 25 years. He - just like any other filmmaker - is not above the odd dodgy effect.
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Dec 13, 2011, 04:18:44 AMQuote from: SM on Dec 13, 2011, 03:52:45 AM
I know perfectly well all the stuff Riddles cleaned up and fixed in the Final Cut - but the fact remains he had a special effect that stuck out like big hairy dog balls in the flick for 25 years. He - just like any other filmmaker - is not above the odd dodgy effect.
As the continued inability to simply cut between the fake Ash head and the Nostromo crew, to offset how jarring it is when suddenly seeing the actor's own, aptly demonstrates. :)
If there was one thing that film was in need of having fixed...
QuoteAs the continued inability to simply cut between the fake Ash head and the Nostromo crew, to offset how jarring it is when suddenly seeing the actor's own, aptly demonstrates.
If there was one thing that film was in need of having fixed...
QuoteNow this, I can get behind. It was a plain editorial decision that might've smoothed the transition between Ian Holm and his headcast. But SM, you talk about the special effects leap of Star Wars, and I call to mind the most similar analogue to the spinners of Blade Runner in that film: Luke's landspeeder entering Mos Eisley... where Lucas simply slathered some vaseline on the lens, to cover up the speeder's wheels. Ridley could have done the same to the shots of his spinner, but that would have created a blurry glow in the rain. Would that have been better?
Quote from: SM on Dec 13, 2011, 04:51:16 AMOkay, I concede, you've got me there. Doing so might not have given Ridley the shot that he wanted, but it might have hidden the wires. Still, with today's technology, I believe Ridley & co. will give us a realistic looking film. But I thank you for a respectful and intelligent debate! :)QuoteNow this, I can get behind. It was a plain editorial decision that might've smoothed the transition between Ian Holm and his headcast. But SM, you talk about the special effects leap of Star Wars, and I call to mind the most similar analogue to the spinners of Blade Runner in that film: Luke's landspeeder entering Mos Eisley... where Lucas simply slathered some vaseline on the lens, to cover up the speeder's wheels. Ridley could have done the same to the shots of his spinner, but that would have created a blurry glow in the rain. Would that have been better?
The landspeeder floats on some antigrav field - vaseline on the lens works in terms of the narrative and to hide the effect. Riddles would've been better off in that shot to dim the background lighting to hide the wires. It's already at night and could easily have gotten away with the dark background. It's not broad daylight like the landspeeder.
Quote from: atlantis on Dec 13, 2011, 01:49:10 PM
Prometheus: I hate to see that human head..this head only distroying the complete mystery of the Alien and SJ universe for me...
I will go watch the movie when it comes out... And I really really hope, that the giant head was just a promotion stunt, to trick us in the wrong direction of how this movie will be ..
Regards: Atlantis
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Dec 13, 2011, 02:19:23 PM
So, Atlantis, in no way will the movie work because of that head in the Ampule room? You think it will probably suck because of the head?
Quote from: atlantis on Dec 13, 2011, 01:49:10 PM
For me...
Alien ( 1979) is the top...
When Aliens came out, I liked it..till I saw the first aliens... how simple they where killed..The whole magic and mystery was gone...and That Alien Queen thing..turned the Alien in insect like creatures..so pitty...
I don't even mention the other movies what followed...
Prometheus: I hate to see that human head..this head only distroying the complete mystery of the Alien and SJ universe for me...
I will go watch the movie when it comes out... And I really really hope, that the giant head was just a promotion stunt, to trick us in the wrong direction of how this movie will be ..
Regards: Atlantis
Quote from: KirklandSignature on Dec 13, 2011, 02:34:29 PMQuote from: atlantis on Dec 13, 2011, 01:49:10 PM
For me...
Alien ( 1979) is the top...
When Aliens came out, I liked it..till I saw the first aliens... how simple they where killed..The whole magic and mystery was gone...and That Alien Queen thing..turned the Alien in insect like creatures..so pitty...
I don't even mention the other movies what followed...
Prometheus: I hate to see that human head..this head only distroying the complete mystery of the Alien and SJ universe for me...
I will go watch the movie when it comes out... And I really really hope, that the giant head was just a promotion stunt, to trick us in the wrong direction of how this movie will be ..
Regards: Atlantis
What??? Dude it's a frigging set piece. I mean I guess if you want to be all emo over a set piece then maybe this movie's not for you.
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Dec 13, 2011, 03:36:15 PM
There's context for everything, and right now, we have zero context for the head set piece in the ampule room.
In terms of science, real and true science....the evidence is there and NASA and scientists have stated that Humanity could not have gotten it start without a push from some kind of extraterrestrial or divine source (divine and extraterrestrial are an interchangeable word to me).
So it would make more then plausible sense that whatever started our race also started a similarly looking race of beings on other planets and may have tributes to their likeness of some kind?
Quote from: Darth Vile on Dec 13, 2011, 04:29:23 PM
If it turns out that the SJ's are the 'creators', and they themselves look human... and the movie is poor... I'll be disappointed that my own thoughts/ideas on the SJ's and the derelict have been sullied. However, if the SJ's are the 'creators', and they themselves look human... and the movie is good... I'll be more than fine with that approach. :)
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Dec 13, 2011, 04:01:43 PM
Actually...let me restate my assertion.
NASA and the Science community has said that Life on earth needed a push, or a jump start. They do not know what, but they agree upon that fact. Based on that.....anything is possible.
Quote from: wmmvrrvrrmm on Dec 13, 2011, 04:33:28 PMQuote from: Darth Vile on Dec 13, 2011, 04:29:23 PM
If it turns out that the SJ's are the 'creators', and they themselves look human... and the movie is poor... I'll be disappointed that my own thoughts/ideas on the SJ's and the derelict have been sullied. However, if the SJ's are the 'creators', and they themselves look human... and the movie is good... I'll be more than fine with that approach. :)
well, I suppose there could be the whole series of ideas that build up through the film about their connection with the origins of the human race and then suddenly we discover that none of this might actually be as real as that.
Quote from: Eldritch on Dec 13, 2011, 05:34:47 PM
I agree fully..
But this has been the trend in this community since before AvP1 was released on PC back in the 90's.
Quote from: Mister Skeezler on Dec 13, 2011, 04:52:08 PMQuote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Dec 13, 2011, 04:01:43 PM
Actually...let me restate my assertion.
NASA and the Science community has said that Life on earth needed a push, or a jump start. They do not know what, but they agree upon that fact. Based on that.....anything is possible.
I think you're talking about Panspermia...it's an idea that life here could have been seeded by some extraterrestrial source. But that could be as simple as comets distributing organic compounds or even simple microbes into the early Earth atmosphere. It's not "divine," however, more an introduction of organic compounds from interstellar space.
And it's not something the scientific community and NASA have said as a whole. It's an idea...barely a hypothesis, and certainly nowhere near a theory.
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Dec 13, 2011, 05:15:27 PM
on a related note
http://p.twimg.com/Age5XyUCIAA9IpD.jpg
Quote from: Mr. Clemens on Dec 13, 2011, 03:44:29 AMQuote from: SM on Dec 13, 2011, 03:37:09 AMQuote from: St_Eddie on Dec 13, 2011, 02:54:39 AMQuote from: SM on Dec 13, 2011, 01:35:01 AM
http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/images/br_spinner_liftoff.jpg
Those wires were digitally removed for the Final Cut. That's an example of a good use of CGI in conjunction with practical effects.
Those wires were visible in various versions of the film for 25 years - thus showing the a dodgy effect is a dodgy effect no matter how it's executed.
Not sure what you're going for, here. With the Final Cut, Rid had the technology to go in and brush those cables out, and he did so. It was a tasteful revision. If he'd filled the movie up with dancing Jar-Jars, you might be onto something. But again, I'm not sure what point you're trying to make. We're talking about how Ridley's going to use the tools, aren't we?
Quote from: Look into my eye on Dec 13, 2011, 07:19:22 PM
Both NASA, and more interestingly,some quarters of the Vatican have agreed there is a missing link in the evolutionary steps of the human being.We could not of evolved to this stage without a nudge, apparently.
Quote from: Mus on Dec 13, 2011, 08:52:47 PMQuote from: Look into my eye on Dec 13, 2011, 07:19:22 PM
Both NASA, and more interestingly,some quarters of the Vatican have agreed there is a missing link in the evolutionary steps of the human being.We could not of evolved to this stage without a nudge, apparently.
But who created the aliens? |:[
Quote from: Mus on Dec 13, 2011, 08:52:47 PMQuote from: Look into my eye on Dec 13, 2011, 07:19:22 PM
Both NASA, and more interestingly,some quarters of the Vatican have agreed there is a missing link in the evolutionary steps of the human being.We could not of evolved to this stage without a nudge, apparently.
But who created the aliens? |:[
Quote from: tmjhur on Dec 13, 2011, 09:47:18 PM
Scientists have FOUND what looks like.....A SPACE-CRAFT..... that was made by our ancestors.....who had NO.....HAAANDS.....How can this be? It must be ALIENS. NOTHING else.....makes any sense!
QuoteYou can still see the wires on the Drop Ship from Aliens in various shots, does it spoil the film... of course not!!
Quote from: SM on Dec 13, 2011, 11:12:46 PMQuoteYou can still see the wires on the Drop Ship from Aliens in various shots, does it spoil the film... of course not!!
1) No one suggested the wires in Blade Runner spoiled the film and 2) you have to look for the dropship wires - they're not in your face like the spinner.
Quote from: Glaive on Dec 13, 2011, 11:35:57 PM
Christ, people, is there some war between Blade Runner and Aliens?
Quote from: SM on Dec 13, 2011, 11:39:26 PM
There isn't any confusion.
Or war.
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Dec 13, 2011, 05:15:27 PM
on a related note
http://p.twimg.com/Age5XyUCIAA9IpD.jpg
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Dec 14, 2011, 10:09:35 AMQuote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Dec 13, 2011, 05:15:27 PM
on a related note
http://p.twimg.com/Age5XyUCIAA9IpD.jpg
:o
That's incredible...
Quote from: atlantis on Dec 13, 2011, 01:49:10 PM
For me...
Alien ( 1979) is the top...
When Aliens came out, I liked it..till I saw the first aliens... how simple they where killed..The whole magic and mystery was gone...and That Alien Queen thing..turned the Alien in insect like creatures..so pitty...
I don't even mention the other movies what followed...
Prometheus: I hate to see that human head..this head only distroying the complete mystery of the Alien and SJ universe for me...
I will go watch the movie when it comes out... And I really really hope, that the giant head was just a promotion stunt, to trick us in the wrong direction of how this movie will be ..
Regards: Atlantis
Quote from: KirklandSignature on Dec 14, 2011, 04:00:28 PMQuote from: atlantis on Dec 13, 2011, 01:49:10 PM
For me...
Alien ( 1979) is the top...
When Aliens came out, I liked it..till I saw the first aliens... how simple they where killed..The whole magic and mystery was gone...and That Alien Queen thing..turned the Alien in insect like creatures..so pitty...
I don't even mention the other movies what followed...
Prometheus: I hate to see that human head..this head only distroying the complete mystery of the Alien and SJ universe for me...
I will go watch the movie when it comes out... And I really really hope, that the giant head was just a promotion stunt, to trick us in the wrong direction of how this movie will be ..
Regards: Atlantis
Ok so you don't like how Prometheus is implying that SJ's created humans because it is not backed by real world science? This is a movie, not a documentary or educational programming lol. I think science fictions movies are allowed to ignore reality, especially a movie like this.
Quote from: nendo on Dec 14, 2011, 04:19:32 PMQuote from: KirklandSignature on Dec 14, 2011, 04:00:28 PMQuote from: atlantis on Dec 13, 2011, 01:49:10 PM
For me...
Alien ( 1979) is the top...
When Aliens came out, I liked it..till I saw the first aliens... how simple they where killed..The whole magic and mystery was gone...and That Alien Queen thing..turned the Alien in insect like creatures..so pitty...
I don't even mention the other movies what followed...
Prometheus: I hate to see that human head..this head only distroying the complete mystery of the Alien and SJ universe for me...
I will go watch the movie when it comes out... And I really really hope, that the giant head was just a promotion stunt, to trick us in the wrong direction of how this movie will be ..
Regards: Atlantis
Ok so you don't like how Prometheus is implying that SJ's created humans because it is not backed by real world science? This is a movie, not a documentary or educational programming lol. I think science fictions movies are allowed to ignore reality, especially a movie like this.
I read his post and i don't see how you got the "because its not backed by world science". He was saying the space jockey creating us and the xeno destroys the mystery for him. Can you point to me where he implyed that he didn't like it due to it not being backed by real world science?
Quote from: SM on Dec 13, 2011, 11:12:46 PMQuoteYou can still see the wires on the Drop Ship from Aliens in various shots, does it spoil the film... of course not!!
1) No one suggested the wires in Blade Runner spoiled the film and 2) you have to look for the dropship wires - they're not in your face like the spinner.
Quote from: KirklandSignature on Dec 14, 2011, 04:00:28 PMQuote from: atlantis on Dec 13, 2011, 01:49:10 PM
For me...
Alien ( 1979) is the top...
When Aliens came out, I liked it..till I saw the first aliens... how simple they where killed..The whole magic and mystery was gone...and That Alien Queen thing..turned the Alien in insect like creatures..so pitty...
I don't even mention the other movies what followed...
Prometheus: I hate to see that human head..this head only distroying the complete mystery of the Alien and SJ universe for me...
I will go watch the movie when it comes out... And I really really hope, that the giant head was just a promotion stunt, to trick us in the wrong direction of how this movie will be ..
Regards: Atlantis
Ok so you don't like how Prometheus is implying that SJ's created humans because it is not backed by real world science? This is a movie, not a documentary or educational programming lol. I think science fictions movies are allowed to ignore reality, especially a movie like this.
Quote from: RoaryUK on Dec 14, 2011, 04:33:31 PM
... all I know is in Prometheus (the myth) god created man in his own image, which POSSIBLY points to the Space Jockey being humanoid at least...
Quote from: aliennaire on Dec 14, 2011, 07:22:45 PMPrometheus was a Titan that sided with the Olympic Gods in the Titanomachy. 8)
In the myth of Prometheus, the eponymous semi-god (if memory serves me right)
Quote from: aliennaire on Dec 14, 2011, 07:22:45 PM...hence the myth is not creating of man
Quote from: JaaayDee on Dec 14, 2011, 11:29:37 PMBut if the space jockeys created us, who created them?
Quote from: MrSpaceJockey on Dec 14, 2011, 11:42:42 PMOr is this movie going to entirely dismiss the concepts of primitive human ape ancestors, cavemen, and dinosaurs?
Quote from: harlock on Dec 15, 2011, 12:05:24 AMPeople tend to not realise for a fair time the Earth was a barren rock without an atmosphere even, it is thanks to its gravity that (put very simply) it managed to pull in enough ice clusters from space and it was at the right heat to get build-ups of water, which led to an atmosphere being created.
Quote from: harlock on Dec 15, 2011, 12:05:24 AM...an ampule held the primordial soup that was within the water that developed on our planet when its atmosphere began to settle down.
Quote from: ChrisPachi on Dec 15, 2011, 12:20:27 AM
My understanding is that water came from the earth as a by product of the atmospheres formation, not from comets from space.
Quote from: harlock on Dec 15, 2011, 12:05:24 AM
I see them as being terraformers and probably an ampule held the primordial soup that was within the water that developed on our planet when its atmosphere began to settle down.
People tend to not realise for a fair time the Earth was a barren rock without an atmosphere even, it is thanks to its gravity that (put very simply) it managed to pull in enough ice clusters from space and it was at the right heat to get build-ups of water, which led to an atmosphere being created.
Be interesting to see what the Jockey(s) will do. If they filmed at a waterfall, I assume they somehow get our waterworks going, which will of course hold all the genetic material that the plants and animals will evolve from.
Quote from: harlock on Dec 15, 2011, 06:56:25 PM...terraform the planet for themselves (then something happens that they get stuck somewhere in space while waiting for the results) only for us to come along and awaken them, a by-product of the initial terraforming.
Thats where I see the desperate battle for humanity's survival coming in, because now the Engineer is free and knows his planet is habitable for himself. A little genetic cleansing and he can move in...
Quote from: zuzuki on Dec 15, 2011, 01:47:08 PM...and water on earth came from asteroids and comets who crashed on earth
Quote from: harlock on Dec 15, 2011, 06:56:25 PM
I mention the terraforming because Ridley said that the film deals with terraformers and Engineers in space.
The waterfall seen from Norway also hints at a more barren Earth with water springing throughout it when we see "the start of time". You could argue this is the point when life started on Earth rather than the upspring of Homo Sapiens.
Then you have to wonder why Jockeys are terraforming a planet. They cant just be doing it for shiz and giggles. Think how Lovecraftian it is to have a Jockey terraform the planet for themselves (then something happens that they get stuck somewhere in space while waiting for the results) only for us to come along and awaken them, a by-product of the initial terraforming.
Thats where I see the desperate battle for humanity's survival coming in, because now the Engineer is free and knows his planet is habitable for himself. A little genetic cleansing and he can move in...
Plus I feel the big theories Ridley mentions can be dealt with from this plotline.
Quote from: tmjhur on Dec 15, 2011, 10:47:35 PMBut wouldn't that mean they'd have to somehow end up a billion years in the past for that to work?
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Dec 15, 2011, 11:10:20 PM
Just a hunch....in the leaked trailer it looks like what's firing down on the crew aren't rockets or bombs but whatever is in those urns?
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Dec 15, 2011, 11:10:20 PMJust a hunch....in the leaked trailer it looks like what's firing down on the crew aren't rockets or bombs but whatever is in those urns?
Quote from: psychonaut25 on Dec 15, 2011, 11:16:19 PMDoesn't look like "wrong time, wrong place" to me at all...The crew members are holding guns in one scene..
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Dec 15, 2011, 11:10:20 PM
Just a hunch....in the leaked trailer it looks like what's firing down on the crew aren't rockets or bombs but whatever is in those urns?
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Dec 15, 2011, 11:25:33 PMQuote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Dec 15, 2011, 11:10:20 PM
Just a hunch....in the leaked trailer it looks like what's firing down on the crew aren't rockets or bombs but whatever is in those urns?
Consensus of opinion was that it's more likely just random debris raining down from the crashing ship.
Many assumed it was an Engineer ship, but it could just as easily have been a human craft.
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Dec 15, 2011, 11:25:33 PMIt could be two completely different moments that are shown in the trailer. Firstly it shows the derelict, then people running from an massive encroaching shadow, then a shot shows that they are running from something that could be the derelict, and then the shot in question looks like something else altogether.Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Dec 15, 2011, 11:10:20 PMConsensus of opinion was that it's more likely just random debris raining down from the crashing ship.
Just a hunch....in the leaked trailer it looks like what's firing down on the crew aren't rockets or bombs but whatever is in those urns?
Many assumed it was an Engineer ship, but it could just as easily have been a human craft.
Quote from: psychonaut25 on Dec 15, 2011, 11:43:25 PMI agree. Dark Knight Rises is I think more highly anticpated, yet lotss and lots of pictures have surfaced. it only makes people want to know more.
Fox is so powerfull so they CAN prevent and stop leaks of set photos and trailers...This whole movie is soo secret about any detail. Something I haven't seen very long time...
Quote from: AndroidDavid on Dec 16, 2011, 12:30:06 AMQuote from: psychonaut25 on Dec 15, 2011, 11:43:25 PMI agree. Dark Knight Rises is I think more highly anticpated, yet lotss and lots of pictures have surfaced. it only makes people want to know more.
Fox is so powerfull so they CAN prevent and stop leaks of set photos and trailers...This whole movie is soo secret about any detail. Something I haven't seen very long time...
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Dec 15, 2011, 11:25:33 PMQuote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Dec 15, 2011, 11:10:20 PM
Just a hunch....in the leaked trailer it looks like what's firing down on the crew aren't rockets or bombs but whatever is in those urns?
Consensus of opinion was that it's more likely just random debris raining down from the crashing ship.
Many assumed it was an Engineer ship, but it could just as easily have been a human craft.
Quote from: harlock on Dec 17, 2011, 12:21:27 AMharlock,
Now why a race of ancient god-like aliens would have so much interest in terraforming a planet then engineering a race in their image (one you would guess would be planned to be subservient to them and less technologically adept), watching over them and manufacturing their evolution over billions of years? The time-scale is the main thing that bothers me.
Quote from: harlock on Dec 17, 2011, 12:21:27 AMNow why a race of ancient god-like aliens would have so much interest in terraforming a planet then engineering a race in their image (one you would guess would be planned to be subservient to them and less technologically adept), watching over them and manufacturing their evolution over billions of years? The time-scale is the main thing that bothers me.It may be that the race that terraformed Earth did not intend to wait at all, but merely moved on. They may have gone dormant (I think you suggested this earlier) like the race in Dan O'Bannons origin story for Alien. The clue, whatever it is, may not have been intentional, so when the precocious humans get in their FTL star ship and land on the alien world they awaken them. Elizabeth Shaw is described as a woman of faith and a little naive, and it may be that she champions the missions, only to discover that her gods are monsters, quite literally.
Quote from: ChrisPachi on Dec 17, 2011, 02:32:26 AM
Further to the awakening idea, I have long thought that (based on the leaked SDCC images and the trailer) that the Jockey chair is actually activated by one of the crew.
http://i1225.photobucket.com/albums/ee395/ChrisPachi/apro3.jpg
Just a guess of course, but I like the idea of a dormant ancient race being awoken, but rather than being benevolent they turn out to be down-right 'nasty'.
-Chris
Quote from: ChrisPachi on Dec 17, 2011, 02:32:26 AM
Just a guess of course, but I like the idea of a dormant ancient race being awoken, but rather than being benevolent they turn out to be down-right 'nasty'.
Quote from: harlock on Dec 17, 2011, 12:21:27 AMI got to thinking about the plot-hole of the Giant Human head.
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Dec 17, 2011, 02:59:03 AMHere be dragons..
Quote...and if the alien is really, what was it? Was it the face of the devil, was it the face of the demon, because if you look at historical manuscripts and engravings, pictures, from wherever they come from, whether it's China, whether it's Europe, whatever the nationality, there's a kind of continuity of the idea of the perception of the demon, as there is about the dragon, right, so it's like taking off the mystical aspects of it and saying "it's nothing to do with that. It's a Mar..., no, Martian, Mars is not far away enough. It's a biological fact, it's a biological creature, and it's been here before.
Quote from: ChrisPachi on Dec 17, 2011, 03:05:18 AMQuote from: harlock on Dec 17, 2011, 12:21:27 AMI got to thinking about the plot-hole of the Giant Human head.
The head looks Angle-European. If the Engineers were responsible for creating humans, then they must of guided own evolution to some degree. The suggestion is that they are the 'missing-link' somehow, and not for early humans, for modern humans.Quote from: Xenomorphine on Dec 17, 2011, 02:59:03 AMHere be dragons..
I was recently reading through wmmvrrvrrmm's (most excellent) blog and came across this quote from Ridley:Quote...and if the alien is really, what was it? Was it the face of the devil, was it the face of the demon, because if you look at historical manuscripts and engravings, pictures, from wherever they come from, whether it's China, whether it's Europe, whatever the nationality, there's a kind of continuity of the idea of the perception of the demon, as there is about the dragon, right, so it's like taking off the mystical aspects of it and saying "it's nothing to do with that. It's a Mar..., no, Martian, Mars is not far away enough. It's a biological fact, it's a biological creature, and it's been here before.
Maybe someone with more context on this comment can clarify (the Laserdisc edition of Alien, released in 1992?), but it sure is an intriguing statement. Unless he was totally drunk at the time. ::)
-Chris
Quote from: ChrisPachi on Dec 17, 2011, 02:32:26 AMThe engineers sound like intergalctic chavs, smashing up bus stops, creating murals and starting the human race!Quote from: harlock on Dec 17, 2011, 12:21:27 AMNow why a race of ancient god-like aliens would have so much interest in terraforming a planet then engineering a race in their image (one you would guess would be planned to be subservient to them and less technologically adept), watching over them and manufacturing their evolution over billions of years? The time-scale is the main thing that bothers me.It may be that the race that terraformed Earth did not intend to wait at all, but merely moved on. They may have gone dormant (I think you suggested this earlier) like the race in Dan O'Bannons origin story for Alien. The clue, whatever it is, may not have been intentional, so when the precocious humans get in their FTL star ship and land on the alien world they awaken them. Elizabeth Shaw is described as a woman of faith and a little naive, and it may be that she champions the missions, only to discover that her gods are monsters, quite literally.
Further to the awakening idea, I have long thought that (based on the leaked SDCC images and the trailer) that the Jockey chair is actually activated by one of the crew.
http://i1225.photobucket.com/albums/ee395/ChrisPachi/apro3.jpg
Just a guess of course, but I like the idea of a dormant ancient race being awoken, but rather than being benevolent they turn out to be down-right 'nasty'.
-Chris