Alien 5 is dead, confirmed by Ridley Scott!
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Quote from: Stolen on Apr 27, 2017, 05:26:51 PM
Alien 5 is dead, confirmed by Ridley Scott!
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Good! :)
Quote from: Stolen on Apr 27, 2017, 05:26:51 PM
Alien 5 is dead, confirmed by Ridley Scott!
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The director of that film confirmed this awhile back.
I'm glad too. I never liked the idea.
Quote from: Stolen on Apr 27, 2017, 05:26:51 PM
Alien 5 is dead, confirmed by Ridley Scott!
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Can we put Blomkamp on another Alien universe project? Perhaps a proper AvP?
Quote from: Stolen on Apr 27, 2017, 05:26:51 PM
Alien 5 is dead, confirmed by Ridley Scott!
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QuoteIt all started in January 2015, when Neill Blomkamp shared concept art from what would later become the fifth Alien, a sequence between the second and third strands and in which Sigourney Weaver and Michael Biehn were supposed to return. And note the importance of the past, because the project was later pushed back to Covenant ... and has not given any sign of life since, except through pessimistic statements from its director, who considered "thin" chances That the film is born early in the yea
Ridley Scott, who was in Paris for the promotion of the new opus of the saga, was even more definitive in our microphone: "I think he will never see the light," he replied after explaining That the project was far less advanced than previously thought. "There was never a scenario, just an idea that evolved into a pitch of ten pages, I had to participate as a producer but it did not go any further because the Fox decided that She did not want to do it. I had already done Prometheus and worked on Covenant.
While the latter will be released in our cinemas, and Ridley Scott announced that a sequel has already been written, everything suggests that the saga will now look in the rearview mirror and not project into the future, unless New rebound.
Any French speakers on here who could give a proper translation? :laugh:
And strange 'cause Ridley previously said that the first draft of the script was complete. Now it's just a pitch of ten pages?
And better to continue this discussion over on the Alien 5 board.
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Apr 27, 2017, 05:51:00 PM
Any French speakers on here who could give a proper translation? :laugh:
And strange 'cause Ridley previously said that the first draft of the script was complete. Now it's just a pitch of ten pages?
And better to continue this discussion over on the Alien 5 board.
That board will be no more now!!!
We must look to the future, and where the Covenant takes us. :laugh:
That board is just fine for now and will do for further discussion regarding Alien 5. This is the Alien: Covenant board.
I second Eighth Passenger! A proper French translation would be sick!
Also delighted with the news. I think Sigourney has had her chance, and I'm not confident in Blomkamp.
Ridley's just trying to make us Alien 5 fans feel better by saying the pitch thing. Top bloke.
Quote from: Whos_Nick on Apr 27, 2017, 05:33:19 PM
Quote from: Stolen on Apr 27, 2017, 05:26:51 PM
Alien 5 is dead, confirmed by Ridley Scott!
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Can we put Blomkamp on another Alien universe project? Perhaps a proper AvP?
for all that is sacred please no. hell no to the no no no.
a blomkamp AVP can only end up as a 'elysium' movie, which was one of the stupidest things i've seen in ages,
and would certainly include 'sharlto copley' as a 'marine' that fights against both of them, a guy i can't stand to even think about.
AVP movies are dead for now. and i am happy with that even. I would love the predator's inclusion in the universe in a very respective way,
preferably some hintish way, to give it a movie of it's own, that can even stand on it's own. but no AVP please.
a Denis Villeneuve Alien adaptation would be very interesting. especially since once there was some theory of blade runner and alien somehow
sharing the same universe.
im actually quite bummed that Alien 5 is cancelled. i really liked the thought of that film! especially since i enjoyed the dark horse comics so much growing and continuing the adventures of Ripley, Hicks and Newt instead of killing all 3 off in one go!
and most of all, i wouldve loved to see the abomination that is Alien: Resurrection retconned because, horrible movie is horrible!
Do we really have to commit this body to the void? I won't do it with a glad heart.
I am relieved to hear that. I wasn't a fan of the ideas that Blomkamp was throwing.
Blomkamp's Alien 5 may not go ahead...but I'm totally up for Refn's or Villeneuve's :)
Good. This was just something to keep a sector of Alien3-hating fans slobbering for more of a movie like Aliens.
Let's keep it civil please, gents. We don't need to sling shit at different parts of the fandom.
Best Alien related news I've heard in a loooooong time.
I'm a little sad we're losing out on a new Alien film but I wasn't sold on this whole retcon angle so I'm kind of relived.
The universe is a large place, infinitely so I'm told. It would be nice to get more Alien Universe movies and maybe Blomkamp could work on something like that? A Bladerunner-esque movie focusing on the Autons, a creepy psychological thriller set amongst the Arcturians or even a movie set during the viral infection on the moon mentioned in Ripley's backstory, viruses become hyper-infectious in low gravity and the wake of such an infection in a lunar colony could make for a scary thriller in itself. There's just so much potential in this Universe, stuff I'm not even touching on.
His Alien 5 was a bad idea and while I'm sad an Alien movie won't be seeing the light of day, I'm glad this particular vision won't
I don't know.... somethings not adding up here. As the article points out, Cameron said the script was awesome. I like to think Cameron of all people can tell the difference between a treatment and a script.
I'm beginning to think there may some truth to the rumors that there was a creative difference between Ridley and Neil that lead to bad blood between the two. His quote "I had to participate as a producer" is quite an interesting way to describe things...
El problema surge al intentar remplazar a una secuela original como lo fue Alien 3 ademas de muy digna.
To be frank I think Neill Blomkamp is at about the tier of talent who could genuinely make a half-decent AVP film.
I am not a fan of Blomkamp's post-D9 work, to say the very least. And I hate the AVP films, and would be fine if that sub-franchise stayed dead. But I also like a challenge, and if you want to make a decent version of it he's one of the guys who is low enough on the totem pole now and might be good at it without it being unlikely because he'd be slumming. (See also: Neil Marshall who's very talented but very pulp, maybe Alan Taylor who's had his stock fall considerably since his GOT days, etc.).
But give Blomkamp Alien 5? No way.
I'll tell you who I would like to do 5: Fincher. And before we say it's impossible, the impossible happened the other day when the guy signed up for the sequel to World War Z. I never thought he could be f**ked to do that.
I'd be more enthusiastic for Alien 5 if 3 and Resurrection remained canon, because despite the mixed reception for the films, they do have some of the more grotesque and intriguing concepts of the series. While they are not what many expected after Aliens, they are in their own way very unique entries.
There are ways to bring back the Ripley Hicks and Newt of Aliens, without ignoring 3 and 4 ever existed. One idea in particular is so cruel and tormenting of the characters, it is exactly inkeeping with Ripley's arc of abuse and exploitation by Weyland Yutani.
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Apr 27, 2017, 09:37:40 PM
I'll tell you who I would like to do 5: Fincher. And before we say it's impossible, the impossible happened the other day when the guy signed up for the sequel to World War Z. I never thought he could be f**ked to do that.
Thankfully that will never happen thanks to Fincher disowning the franchise. One brooding examination on primal human nature and in-your-face satirical commentary is quite enough for the Alien franchise (in my humble opinion).
Fincher is a great director, but like Tarentino and Micheal Bay, he is a one trick pony. All of his movies are stylistically the same and i can't help but think Fincher would just so another version of Seven with Aliens in it instead of a morally reprehensible sociopath.
Quote from: oberonqa on Apr 27, 2017, 09:46:02 PM
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Apr 27, 2017, 09:37:40 PM
I'll tell you who I would like to do 5: Fincher. And before we say it's impossible, the impossible happened the other day when the guy signed up for the sequel to World War Z. I never thought he could be f**ked to do that.
Thankfully that will never happen thanks to Fincher disowning the franchise. One brooding examination on primal human nature and in-your-face satirical commentary is quite enough for the Alien franchise (in my humble opinion).
Fincher has come a long way since
Alien 3 (and
Seven for that matter, though that's still a great movie).
Quote from: Game_Over_Man on Apr 27, 2017, 09:45:41 PM
I'd be more enthusiastic for Alien 5 if 3 and Resurrection remained canon, because despite the mixed reception for the films, they do have some of the more grotesque and intriguing concepts of the series. While they are not what many expected after Aliens, they are in their own way very unique entries.
I think Weaver's performance as Ripley 8 is some of her best work - strange and fascinating and very different from what came before. I would be happy to see her reprise that. You don't have to get deep in the weeds of continuity and get into details of AR or A3, you just have to say she's alive again because they cloned her and she's weird now. The end.
I have to say I'd be more interested in seeing Ripley 8 explored more than seeing some contrived way of bringing back Hicks and Newt. There's some real potential in her and her connection to the Aliens that just wasn't explored enough in Resurrection that I'd like to see a sequel try it's hand at (even if it does sort of fly in the face of Ripley deciding to side with mankind but like I said, the film doesn't really go into this enough).
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Apr 27, 2017, 09:48:59 PM
Quote from: oberonqa on Apr 27, 2017, 09:46:02 PM
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Apr 27, 2017, 09:37:40 PM
I'll tell you who I would like to do 5: Fincher. And before we say it's impossible, the impossible happened the other day when the guy signed up for the sequel to World War Z. I never thought he could be f**ked to do that.
Thankfully that will never happen thanks to Fincher disowning the franchise. One brooding examination on primal human nature and in-your-face satirical commentary is quite enough for the Alien franchise (in my humble opinion).
Fincher has come a long way since Alien 3 (and Seven for that matter, though that's still a great movie).
I agree wholeheartedly.... but his movies all share common stylistic traits which we have already seen before in Alien 3. I for one wouldn't want to see Fincher in the directors seat for the same reason I wouldn't want Tarentino... I dont think their style is appropriate for the kind of movie Alien 5 needs to be (again, in my opinion).
I'm disappointed. Was really looking forward to it, but I knew it likely wasn't gonna happen after Blomkamp himself said it might not happen.
As for filmmakers I want to make an Alien film:
Fede Alvarez
Jordan Vogt-Roberts
Adam Wingard
David Robert Mitchell
James Mangold.
Quote from: oberonqa on Apr 27, 2017, 09:31:45 PM
I don't know.... somethings not adding up here. As the article points out, Cameron said the script was awesome. I like to think Cameron of all people can tell the difference between a treatment and a script.
I'm beginning to think there may some truth to the rumors that there was a creative difference between Ridley and Neil that lead to bad blood between the two. His quote "I had to participate as a producer" is quite an interesting way to describe things...
"Gangbusters" he called it, Weaver had praised the
script as well.
I don't think there's any bad blood between Ridley and Neill though. Or at least I've seen no indication of it yet.
Quote from: Neill BlomkampHappy #AlienDay - stoked to see #AlienCovenant
https://twitter.com/NeillBlomkamp/status/857369123944185856 (https://twitter.com/NeillBlomkamp/status/857369123944185856)
And Fincher is as likely to make a new Alien film as Local Trouble making a documentary on skulls.
I would've agreed with you until he signed up for someone else's zombie sequel. Now I think it's a question of money and control.
I know what I'd do with it, but Ripley would be a supporting player.
I wouldn't say there is any bad blood with Fox as well. I mean, he was given The Gone World right after Alien 5 was put on hold. It just comes down to timing.
This certainly smells more like Scott has said it's not happening because he's now the Franchise Manager. There was a rival story concept out there that clashed with his for public attention. He didn't like that and killed it. It's that simple. More and more I get the feeling from him that if he didn't think of it, it doesn't count. I seriously doubt that he still holds Aliens in any regard anymore. Anything it added is out as well.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Apr 27, 2017, 09:52:14 PM
I have to say I'd be more interested in seeing Ripley 8 explored more than seeing some contrived way of bringing back Hicks and Newt. There's some real potential in her and her connection to the Aliens that just wasn't explored enough in Resurrection that I'd like to see a sequel try it's hand at (even if it does sort of fly in the face of Ripley deciding to side with mankind but like I said, the film doesn't really go into this enough).
If this happened, I would buy a ticket to show my support of the Alien franchise (because money talks!)... but I would then tear the ticket up and walk away. I ignore AR when I watch the Alien movies because I loathe it with a passion. A3 I can watch and enjoy for the most part... but not AR. I would never sit down and watch anything that continued that abomination of a film.
I get people like it... but it's certainly not for me.
Quote from: DestinyCapt on Apr 27, 2017, 10:03:18 PM
This certainly smells more like Scott has said it's not happening because he's now the Franchise Manager.
I'm sure that's part of it, but I think it's a much bigger issue that Blomkamp's last two films have been terrible flops.
QuoteMore and more I get the feeling from him that if he didn't think of it, it doesn't count. I seriously doubt that he still holds Aliens in any regard anymore. Anything it added is out as well.
I think that's sheer projection. I have no evidence he doesn't hold Cameron and
Aliens in esteem, he just doesn't feel the need to revisit that territory.
What a bump...... :-[ I guess the idea of an alternative sequel is way too complicated for a film, also I tihink "Chappie" influenced the decision of the delay and subsequent cancelleation. Still I think there´s some very competent directors who could deal with an Alien film and even better than Ridley like Denis Villeneuve. Imagine if he could direct a sequel after he finishes Dune.
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Quote from: oberonqa on Apr 27, 2017, 09:31:45 PM
I don't know.... somethings not adding up here. As the article points out, Cameron said the script was awesome. I like to think Cameron of all people can tell the difference between a treatment and a script.
I'm beginning to think there may some truth to the rumors that there was a creative difference between Ridley and Neil that lead to bad blood between the two. His quote "I had to participate as a producer" is quite an interesting way to describe things...
"Gangbusters" he called it, Weaver had praised the script as well.
I don't think there's any bad blood between Ridley and Neill though. Or at least I've seen no indication of it yet.
Quote from: Neill BlomkampHappy #AlienDay - stoked to see #AlienCovenant
https://twitter.com/NeillBlomkamp/status/857369123944185856 (https://twitter.com/NeillBlomkamp/status/857369123944185856)
And Fincher is as likely to make a new Alien film as Local Trouble making a documentary on skulls.
Ridley saying he had to be producer is a pretty clear indication that something is up. His representation of the state of the script is also an indication of a problem.
More than likely they couldn't agree on the script, which would explain why Ridley doesnt call it a script. From his point of view, there would be no script if he didnt like what was there.
As for the tweet, that just tells me Neil is a better sport than Ridley and knows how to keep things on a positive note. Or the bad blood is entirely one sided....
Nietzsche is dead, confirmed by God!
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Apr 27, 2017, 10:00:48 PM
I would've agreed with you until he signed up for someone else's zombie sequel. Now I think it's a question of money and control.
They'd pretty much have to give him total carte blanch (guaranteed) then. That said, I see he has actually directed two movies for Fox since Alien 3.
Quote from: oberonqa on Apr 27, 2017, 10:12:11 PM
Ridley saying he had to be producer is a pretty clear indication that something is up. His representation of the state of the script is also an indication of a problem.
More than likely they couldn't agree on the script, which would explain why Ridley doesnt call it a script. From his point of view, there would be no script if he didnt like what was there.
As for the tweet, that just tells me Neil is a better sport than Ridley and knows how to keep things on a positive note. Or the bad blood is entirely one sided....
It's a badly google translated quote so I wouldn't put much stock in it until we get a proper translation. And Ridley can pretty much choose what he wants to do these days, no-one is going to force him to do anything.
Ridley also previously stated that Neill's script "was looking good so far" and that the film would have been out this year. Neill has previously stated that he had met with Ridley and that Ridley had only requested one small change to the script that he felt was "bumping Prometheus 2 a little"
Yeah I wouldn't hold much stock in that translation.
One thing I learned from attending the Fox uk Alien day event, Fox have essentially handed control of alien to ridley Scott moving forwards, or that's the impression I got anyway.
Fox representatives came out before the showings and said how excited they were over what ridley was creating and leading the franchise forwards, the first in his prequel trilogy.
Really gave the impression ridley has total control now.
I wonder if Sigourney will try to twist her buddy Ridley's arm :P
Quote from: Necronomicon II on Apr 27, 2017, 10:34:30 PM
Yeah I wouldn't hold much stock in that translation.
What translation? There is a video interview:
http://www.allocine.fr/article/fichearticle_gen_carticle=18663572.html
Or we're talking about something else.
Ridley is rebooting/revitalizing/taking control of his original series. Alien 5 does not really mesh well with that. There is only one way Blomkamp is given the go ahead. Covenant is critically panned by critics, makes hardly any money, and is loathed by the fans (us).....Mind you if all 3 of those things happen then the series returns to it's toxic levels and we have to wait 5 to 6 years for something.
Quote from: Richman678 on Apr 27, 2017, 11:30:52 PM
Ridley is rebooting/revitalizing/taking control of his original series. Alien 5 does not really mesh well with that. There is only one way Blomkamp is given the go ahead. Covenant is critically panned by critics, makes hardly any money, and is loathed by the fans (us).....Mind you if all 3 of those things happen then the series returns to it's toxic levels and we have to wait 5 to 6 years for something.
The only one of those 3 options that has any bearing whatsoever on the future of the franchise is how much money the movie makes. Critics have panned many movies that have made a lot of money (insert any Transformers or Fast and the Furious movie). And fan approval, while nice, is never a factor in deciding whether a movie is successful or not (see Resident Evil movies or TMNT 2014).
Money is and always will be the only thing that matters in this and any other entertainment-related industry. Everything else is just fluff.
I have no doubt Ridley is behind shutting this down. Which is fine by me, he doesn't want anyone else bastardizing his baby
Indeed hes fully capable to achieve this all by himself, lol.
Sad news. This would have potentially rectified the mistakes of Alien Cubed. Also, about Cameron referring to Blomkamp's script: this is the guy who writes weird script/treatment hybrids that he calls "scriptments," so it wouldn't surprise me that he referred to it that way, even if it wasn't a fully realized script.
thank lord, I don't want anything from Blomkamp in the ALIEN scenario. He's overrated and his idea for Alien was to Cameronesque but in a mediocre repeated way
Of Course it's not happening ! Alien 3 and Resurrection Still Canon by fox.
I don't know, he's a bit of a deadbeat dad then; considering he was willing to let it get bastardized as far as it has.
Kind of glad this isn't happening. Even though part of me wants to see Hicks, Newt, and Ripley together again...that ship has sailed. It seems like nothing more than fan service at this point, and we've already gotten some questionable fan service films already.
good, it was a terrible idea, it was a terrible idea to ignore Alien 3, and the concept art we saw was terrible too, Neil wasnt the good director for this movie
Would have been great...
in 1988.
Nonetheless, I still think Blomkamp would be a good choice to hand over the reins for this current generation of ALIEN movies once Scott has decided to move on. Blomkamp has the technical skills but will need a solid team around him to make it happen.
Right now, Scott is in charge but it can't last forever.
-Windebieste.
^ Indeed it would have.
Regardless I am pleased with Sir Ridley's opinion ;D
Quote from: Ingwar on Apr 27, 2017, 11:00:11 PM
Quote from: Necronomicon II on Apr 27, 2017, 10:34:30 PM
Yeah I wouldn't hold much stock in that translation.
What translation? There is a video interview:
http://www.allocine.fr/article/fichearticle_gen_carticle=18663572.html
Or we're talking about something else.
Wasn't there a written translation as well?
Quote from: Ingwar on Apr 27, 2017, 11:00:11 PM
Quote from: Necronomicon II on Apr 27, 2017, 10:34:30 PM
Yeah I wouldn't hold much stock in that translation.
What translation? There is a video interview:
http://www.allocine.fr/article/fichearticle_gen_carticle=18663572.html
Or we're talking about something else.
I assume he means because it says "Translated from French" at the end.
His actual quote:
"Well, there was never a script. It was an idea which was evolved on, I think, a ten page pitch and I was meant to be part of the producer on that, and it didn't evolve, Fox decided that they didn't wanna do it so that was it, so I was already on to...I think I'd done Prometheus and I was already planning Covenant, so...dunno." [Q: That's never gonna happen?]
"I don't think so, no."I love Riddles looking all over the place and twiddling his thumbs while waiting for the translator to finish. :)
My assumption is fox believe Alien 5 will confuse audience's with what should be next for Alien covenant if that is such a case, how about a television series like Terminator: The Sarah Connor chronicles, with Sigourney Weaver and Michael Biehn reprising there roles ? wont confuse audience's with what's on the big screen, keep everyone entertained until Alien covenants sequel happens, I think its a winning idea
Yeah that's it ha, don't know why some projected bad blood or something to that effect, it came down to FOX.
Quote from: Necronomicon II on Apr 28, 2017, 03:48:13 AM
Yeah that's it ha, don't know why some projected bad blood or something to that effect, it came down to FOX.
So Ridley says, at least.
I have no doubt he's very happy being in charge now but I don't think he had any problems with Blomkamp's project at all; it was so far removed from what he's doing, he simply asked to remove elements that stepped on his toes a little.
We'll probably end up seeing elements of Blomkamp's 'script' integrated into a future 'ALIEN' title, sans Ripley, Hicks and Newt.
-Windebieste.
So happy to know this retconning joke will never be given a green light. And nice slap in the face to the already since '86 "Aliens" sickening fan service, and all them fanatics who made a good part of the serious fanbase feel so embarrased when they cried their oceans of tears at alien3 as it was released, making the rest of the world and Fox believe that every single one of us shared them childish wishes.
Now all needed is to erase alien resurrection from existence as If it would have never happened, and everything will be ok.
I'm bummed to hear about this but it might be the right decision. I'd rather have it never happen than it happen and it turn out to be a disappointing mess. I just hope Alien Covenant and the sequels to it do not let me down. I'm sure it will be as good as or better than Prometheus (and I liked that movie, even though it has a lot of problems).
What an interesting little period in the fandom this was. :laugh:
I'm glad Alien 3's place in the lore will be left as-is. There are many who love it, and I think the legend of its standing within the fanbase can be a little overblown at times, especially as it's gained a little more respect since the AC was released. That being said, the flack it can receive is understandable. It's a seriously flawed movie, but still has plenty of value as part of the series. There's nothing so wrong with it that it deserves a complete 'do-over' (even if that's how Fincher himself may feel :P). Still, I do hope we find out what Blomkamp had planned one day.
Quote from: fernandito on Apr 28, 2017, 06:43:38 AM
So happy to know this retconning joke will never be given a green light. And nice slap in the face to the already since '86 "Aliens" sickening fan service, and all them fanatics who made a good part of the serious fanbase feel so embarrased when they cried their oceans of tears at alien3 as it was released, making the rest of the world and Fox believe that every single one of us shared them childish wishes.
Now all needed is to erase alien resurrection from existence as If it would have never happened, and everything will be ok.
Crying oceans of tears over the existence of Alien Resurrection is of course perfectly acceptable behaviour for the "serious fanbase" and not "childish" in the least.
:laugh:
^ ?
lelz
I was mocking such cringe inducing terms as "serious fanbase".
I've never particularly liked 'ALIEN: Resurrection' but I know people who do. I respect their preference to enjoy that film. It's a good thing they don't have to be treated as 2nd class fans due to a retcon that isn't even needed.
For all its warts and bumps and issues it's still - and always will be - an 'ALIEN' movie. I can say the same thing about 'ALIEN 3', a movie I am definitely a fan of. So, I understand where they're coming from. I don't want to see one of my favorite movies shunted aside on a movie that no one can prove will be better.
Besides, it's all a moot point with the series in Scott's hands now. To all intents and purposes he may consider nothing after 'ALIEN' to be canon. He may yet retcon everything that's outside his view of what this property should consist of. 'ALIENS', 'ALIEN 3' and 'ALIEN: Resurrection' may still yet go.
Don't say it can't happen. Scott really doesn't care about much beyond 'ALIEN'.
-Windebieste.
NOooooooo, ,I want Alien 5 1000000000 times more than this covenant an prequel crap! THe idea to retcon Alien 3 And 4 was genius!!!!
I'm not fazed either way. But Alien 5 does feel kinda redundant at this stage, and probably more so after Ridley's films will be all said and done.
I was interested to see where Blomkamp would take an alt-Alien3. But I'm not fussed if it never gets made.
It's a shame, it would have been cool to get another "Aliens" film.
You have to be realistic, while Ridley is interested in the franchise fox are only going to want his movies - he sells tickets. If he was saying "this is my final Alien film" then I'd expect Fox would be going ahead with the Alien 5 project, or looking for the next director of the prequels.
I do think however this could be a good thing in the long term - there is more chance of getting an original, non ret-con Aliens movie in the future now (at least in my opinion).
Quote from: Anakin21 on Apr 28, 2017, 09:24:44 AM
NOooooooo, ,I want Alien 5 1000000000 times more than this covenant an prequel crap! THe idea to retcon Alien 3 And 4 was genius!!!!
Genius? :D Fan wish fulfilment more like it, "justice for Hicks and Newt, yeaaaah!" Spare me, I'm glad Fincher killed them, welcome to the Alien universe. :D
Quote from: windebieste on Apr 28, 2017, 06:32:29 AM
We'll probably end up seeing elements of Blomkamp's 'script' integrated into a future 'ALIEN' title, sans Ripley, Hicks and Newt.
-Windebieste.
Nah they gotta have Ripley in it, she's like Han Solo in The Force Awakens. She'll bring in all the old fans. Weaver will be in her 70s then. Hicks and Newt are nowhere near as iconic as Ripley thus replaceable. Because who cares about two supporting characters from a 30-40 year old movie, besides the hardcore fans. Most kids today grew up watching the AVP and prequel movies, not the originals. The idea is just not bankable. No wonder Fox didn't go with the script.
Quote from: windebieste on Apr 28, 2017, 08:48:23 AM
I've never particularly liked 'ALIEN: Resurrection' but I know people who do. I respect their preference to enjoy that film. It's a good thing they don't have to be treated as 2nd class fans due to a retcon that isn't even needed.
For all its warts and bumps and issues it's still - and always will be - an 'ALIEN' movie. I can say the same thing about 'ALIEN 3', a movie I am definitely a fan of. So, I understand where they're coming from. I don't want to see one of my favorite movies shunted aside on a movie that no one can prove will be better.
Besides, it's all a moot point with the series in Scott's hands now. To all intents and purposes he may consider nothing after 'ALIEN' to be canon. He may yet retcon everything that's outside his view of what this property should consist of. 'ALIENS', 'ALIEN 3' and 'ALIEN: Resurrection' may still yet go.
Don't say it can't happen. Scott really doesn't care about much beyond 'ALIEN'.
-Windebieste.
You know, after seeing some of the comments of posters about Alien 5's demise, a part of me almost wants to see your scenario come to pass... just so I can sit back and post something snarky like "remind me again how you felt about Ridley shutting down Alien 5? =)"
Serious fanbase.... hah.
Quote from: SM on Apr 28, 2017, 10:17:25 AM
I was interested to see where Blomkamp would take an alt-Alien3. But I'm not fussed if it never gets made.
Does this mean the derelict is slag and never coming back?
Predictable but it still hurts. :-
Worst news since David created the aliens...
Ridley seems to be calling the shots, is he contracted to be involved in any and all sequels? He says he HAD to be involved there?
I'd imagine Alien 5 will only have a chance of being made once the prequels are done. Maybe Ridley himself wants to do it or involve his son?
I'm disappointed that something isn't coming out for a long time and probably without Sigourney etc who'll be too old.
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Apr 28, 2017, 12:00:06 PM
Worst news since David created the aliens...
Or simply reverse-engineered/replicated something that was already created by the Engineers :)
Honestly while it is not the best news, at least we still got Covenant and its sequel to look forward, though I am not getting my hopes up.
Yup. We're still getting a new movie - potentially a new trilogy - coming up.
Mind you, with Scott closing down any hope for 'ALIEN 5' and the word that Creative Assembly are not working on 'ALIEN: Isolation 2', it's enough News to disappoint just about all of us here. Many more than once.
Oh well. Scott had better deliver. It's all on his shoulders now.
-Windebieste.
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Apr 28, 2017, 12:00:06 PM
Worst news since David created the aliens...
no ! did you forget that derelict on lv-426 was crash a least 1000 years ?
"Or simply reverse-engineered/replicated something that was already created by the Engineers :)"
Which we've already established that the Engineers are in fact human. So the big twist of this whole franchise now is that there are no aliens and we created the xenomorphs.
Quote from: gantarat on Apr 28, 2017, 12:57:26 PM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Apr 28, 2017, 12:00:06 PM
Worst news since David created the aliens...
no ! did you forget that derelict on lv-426 was crash a least 1000 years ?
If Riddley Scott does go down that path of David being the progenitor in terms of engineering the Xenos then that is one big plot hole in the franchise, fortunately I do not think that is the case. David learned about them in that ship so it is likely he just replicated what they already made, hence why his version looks drastically different i.e longer muscular arms, with holes in arm pits, no biomechanical features etc.
For all supproters of Alien 5. There is a petition going on, please sign it if you are interested!
Lets show Scott and Fox what we Fans really want!
https://www.ipetitions.com/petition/neill-blomkamp-for-alien5/?utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook&utm_campaign=button
Alien 3, 4 and Promethes are crap!!!
That is why it the idea was great to continue after Aliens!! It was the biggest mistake in filmhistory to kill Newt and Hicks.
3000 signatures in 3 months - guess "fans" don't "really" want that much.
honestly, i do like Blomkamp's films but I do feel he has declined in quality lately! I think I would rather have ridleys new series of alien films but that's just my opinion.
Why couldn't Fox have done what Disney/Marvel does and made Alien 5 and Prometheus sequels simultaneously? Right now there are like 6-7 superhero movies each year and all make tons of money without general audience getting fatigued. Fox itself is releasing 3 X-men movies in 2018.
Or look at Star Wars, one SW movie comes out each year now. Disney has made Rogue One set immediately before the events of Episode 1; then there's Han Solo and a rumored Obi Wan movie that will take place before Episode 1, all the while when there's sequel trilogy going on.
There is 90 years difference between events of Prometheus and Aliens. Since Ridley Scott has already has lot of ideas for 2 more Prometheus sequels, He could have easily given input in Alien 5 script to make sure no contradictions happen.
Quote from: Uncanny Antman on Apr 28, 2017, 04:00:40 AM
Quote from: Necronomicon II on Apr 28, 2017, 03:48:13 AM
Yeah that's it ha, don't know why some projected bad blood or something to that effect, it came down to FOX.
So Ridley says, at least.
Weaver initially said the request to delay Alien 5 came from Scott.
Quote from: Sigourney Weaver"Ridley asked Neill NOT to make our Alien til after Prometheus 2. He (Ridley) wanted his movie to shoot and be released first.
But in a later interview said the request came from Fox.
Quote from: Sigourney WeaverFox asked us to delay so Ridley Scott could shoot his [second] Prometheus movie. That was too bad because we would have already done it by now."
So at least she corroborates Scott's statement in her second interview.
Quote from: KiramidHead on Apr 27, 2017, 11:56:04 PM
Sad news. This would have potentially rectified the mistakes of Alien Cubed. Also, about Cameron referring to Blomkamp's script: this is the guy who writes weird script/treatment hybrids that he calls "scriptments," so it wouldn't surprise me that he referred to it that way, even if it wasn't a fully realized script.
Could be, although there's also a few quotes from Scott and Weaver which allude to or specifically describe a complete script.
Quote from: Ridley Scott"We have Neill Blomkamp's Alien, which will be out in 2017. We just have the first [screenplay] draft in so far but it looks pretty good."
http://www.avpgalaxy.net/2015/10/05/ridley-scott-talks-neill-blomkamps-alien-5/ (http://www.avpgalaxy.net/2015/10/05/ridley-scott-talks-neill-blomkamps-alien-5/)
Quote from: Sigourney Weaver"the script itself has so much in it that's so original, but also really satisfies the, I would say, the primal needs of the aliens"
Quote"She speaks of the script as if – as far as she is concerned – it's happening already, and in her mind is the "most satisfying" ending of the story. When first asked about working with Michael Biehn, and their flirtation/romantic relationship in Aliens, she added "you will see a lot more of that in the next one."
http://www.avpgalaxy.net/2016/04/27/alien-5-satisfying-end-alien-story/ (http://www.avpgalaxy.net/2016/04/27/alien-5-satisfying-end-alien-story/)
Quote from: Signourney Weaver"It's an AMAZING script, and Neill and I are REALLY excited about doing it. We're doing other things until we can get going on that. I'd be really surprised if we DIDN'T do it, because it's such a great script, and we love working together. So, it's just going to take a little bit longer to get out to you, but it'll be worth the wait."
http://www.avpgalaxy.net/2016/04/21/sigourney-weaver-updates-blomkamps-alien-5/ (http://www.avpgalaxy.net/2016/04/21/sigourney-weaver-updates-blomkamps-alien-5/)
I'm happy.
Sir Ridley Scott is a FAR BETTER Director than Neil Blomkamp.
Yeah, can't say I'm sad to see this die.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Apr 28, 2017, 04:43:08 PM
Yeah, can't say I'm sad to see this die.
I agree with you.
First time.
Neill will get his chance once Ridley wraps up the trilogy. I can feel it.
Time is on Blomkamp's side.
Not if he wants Weaver and Biehn in the movie it isn't.
Quote from: Anakin21 on Apr 28, 2017, 01:28:55 PM
It was the biggest mistake in filmhistory to kill Newt and Hicks.
lol
I still want Blomkamp to do an Alien movie. And I still want to see Ripley's story have an ending. But I just don't want to see Alien 3 erased. I'd rather just forget A:R happened than delete Alien 3.
Best case scenario - Blomkamp decides to lead an Alien HBO series and they use the first season to wrap up Ripley's story-line.
I'll sign a petition for that.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Apr 28, 2017, 05:32:46 PM
Not if he wants Weaver and Biehn in the movie it isn't.
Weaver will look good for another 10 years at least. If Harrison Ford can film Indy 5 for 2019, Sigourney can film an Alien 5 in, let's say... 2023? She'll be 74 but no one cares. No one cares about age. It's play. It's pretend. We just like the character. They don't have to be young and pretty. That goes for the weathered Biehn too. As long as they get a popular anchor a'la Winona Ryder or Charlize Theron.
Personally I'm a little relieved. I wasn't sold on a retcon.
Quote from: BishopShouldGo on Apr 28, 2017, 05:52:12 PMShe'll be 74 but no one cares. No one cares about age. It's play. It's pretend. We just like the character.
Literally couldn't agree with that any less.
And Ford looked dumb running and jumping around at his age in
Indy 4, God knows how silly it'll look in another 2 years.
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Apr 28, 2017, 04:17:16 PM
Quote from: Uncanny Antman on Apr 28, 2017, 04:00:40 AM
Quote from: Necronomicon II on Apr 28, 2017, 03:48:13 AM
Yeah that's it ha, don't know why some projected bad blood or something to that effect, it came down to FOX.
So Ridley says, at least.
Weaver initially said the request to delay Alien 5 came from Scott.
Quote from: Sigourney Weaver"Ridley asked Neill NOT to make our Alien til after Prometheus 2. He (Ridley) wanted his movie to shoot and be released first.
But in a later interview said the request came from Fox.
Quote from: Sigourney WeaverFox asked us to delay so Ridley Scott could shoot his [second] Prometheus movie. That was too bad because we would have already done it by now."
So at least she corroborates Scott's statement in her second interview.
Quote from: KiramidHead on Apr 27, 2017, 11:56:04 PM
Sad news. This would have potentially rectified the mistakes of Alien Cubed. Also, about Cameron referring to Blomkamp's script: this is the guy who writes weird script/treatment hybrids that he calls "scriptments," so it wouldn't surprise me that he referred to it that way, even if it wasn't a fully realized script.
Could be, although there's also a few quotes from Scott and Weaver which allude to or specifically describe a complete script.
Quote from: Ridley Scott"We have Neill Blomkamp's Alien, which will be out in 2017. We just have the first [screenplay] draft in so far but it looks pretty good."
http://www.avpgalaxy.net/2015/10/05/ridley-scott-talks-neill-blomkamps-alien-5/ (http://www.avpgalaxy.net/2015/10/05/ridley-scott-talks-neill-blomkamps-alien-5/)
Quote from: Sigourney Weaver"the script itself has so much in it that's so original, but also really satisfies the, I would say, the primal needs of the aliens"
Quote"She speaks of the script as if – as far as she is concerned – it's happening already, and in her mind is the "most satisfying" ending of the story. When first asked about working with Michael Biehn, and their flirtation/romantic relationship in Aliens, she added "you will see a lot more of that in the next one."
http://www.avpgalaxy.net/2016/04/27/alien-5-satisfying-end-alien-story/ (http://www.avpgalaxy.net/2016/04/27/alien-5-satisfying-end-alien-story/)
Quote from: Signourney Weaver"It's an AMAZING script, and Neill and I are REALLY excited about doing it. We're doing other things until we can get going on that. I'd be really surprised if we DIDN'T do it, because it's such a great script, and we love working together. So, it's just going to take a little bit longer to get out to you, but it'll be worth the wait."
http://www.avpgalaxy.net/2016/04/21/sigourney-weaver-updates-blomkamps-alien-5/ (http://www.avpgalaxy.net/2016/04/21/sigourney-weaver-updates-blomkamps-alien-5/)
Given that work on a Prometheus sequel was already well and truly underway for some while - with multiple drafts - it's completely reasonable Ridley et al wanted that released first, especially when Prometheus became the highest grossing film in the franchise thus far, and with Blomkamp failing with Chappie and Ridley hitting a home run with The Martian - his most successful box office hit - it's pretty clear why Alien 5 fell to the wayside.
I really am happy that we are not getting a retcon. I dont like them. I dont want to see another Alien movie that involes Ripley.
I want Ridley to get on with what he is doing. That way we will have the 'Origins' story in Prometheus, Covenant and what ever comes after. This is effectivly Davids story and what appears to be the Genesis of the Xenomorph.
Then we already have Ripley's story. Beginning, middle and end im Alien, Aliens and Alien 3.
We have, what i see as, a comic booky Alien movie in Resurrection further in the future. Yes it has Ripley in it but not the real Ripley. A Clone. I see it as its own thing with a connection to a past story.
So why not now do something different for 5, not tied to the Prequel story or Ripley's atory. There is a nice period of time between 3 and Resurrection or do it after.
Id love a Film loosely based on the comic Labyrinth. Rain it in a little and make it smaller and more personal. Keep the scientific study and experiment elements. Go back to the haunted house feel of the first movie.
I would like to see Blomkamp on an Alien movie though.
Alien 3 is a very underrated classic. a return to the grimy horror roots of the original. a single unstoppable Alien, seeming more godlike and terrifying than sheer numbers serving as cannon fodder. problem lies in that the best version of the film is not commercially available, but a cross between the Theatrical and Assembly Cut, The Heretic (Dragon) cut. it was a great conclusion to a trilogy that took viewers to the Heavens, (USCSS Nostromo), down to the Earth (LV-426. the terraforming colony Hadley's Hope) and finally into The Inferno (Fiorina "Fury" 161). with all of the problems the film had in it's development, the production ultimately had to be hell in order to capture and portray hell.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Apr 28, 2017, 05:59:34 PM
Quote from: BishopShouldGo on Apr 28, 2017, 05:52:12 PMShe'll be 74 but no one cares. No one cares about age. It's play. It's pretend. We just like the character.
Literally couldn't agree with that any less.
And Ford looked dumb running and jumping around at his age in Indy 4, God knows how silly it'll look in another 2 years.
It looked awesome. You just hate fun.
As a labelling for possibly lost potential Alien movie, it's discouraging to come across this news.
Still, I believe it hasn't been set in stone yet, Fox have the final word on it, Ridley has an opinion.
Huge stakes are put on Covenant to pull in a good share of May box office, what comes afterwards will ground the decision for the franchise development (hopefully).
In short, only the time will tell ;)
Well they could release it as a book at least. I am interested if the script was actually 'amazing' :P
It takes too long... Game over imo
I hope this is not the last time to see Sigourney Weaver as Ellen Ripley :)
I was not a fan of a retcon but i liked to see Ripley again because after Ressurection it was felt unfinished and not the best movie to say good.I wanted Alien 5 for many years what never happend and evolved into Prometheus and this.I think its really bad Fox greenlight it than delay it and finally its not happenig.We heard for two years how good the story and the draft is.
NOOOooo!!! AMANDA Ripley in Alien5 cool Idea! >:( >:( >:(
Quote from: Necronomicon II on Apr 28, 2017, 06:35:25 PM
Given that work on a Prometheus sequel was already well and truly underway for some while - with multiple drafts - it's completely reasonable Ridley et al wanted that released first, especially when Prometheus became the highest grossing film in the franchise thus far, and with Blomkamp failing with Chappie and Ridley hitting a home run with The Martian - his most successful box office hit - it's pretty clear why Alien 5 fell to the wayside.
Yeah it makes sense, the Prometheus sequel was actually scheduled to have started filming after Ridley finished Exodus, a year before Blomkamp made his pitch to Fox. I also got the impression that there were initially a lot of hemming and hawing over at Fox on whether to greenlight Blomkamp's film. Neill then proceeded to release all that concept art on his instagram which made pretty big headlines. A month later it was officially greenlit.
The Prometheus sequel then apparently morphed into a proper Alien film and possibly caused Fox to re-consider Blomkamp's film. It could be that they kept it on the side as a possible "Plan B" in case Covenant failed critically and commercially. In which case they would likely have cancelled the rest of the Alien prequels and given the next film to Neill instead.
Didn't Neill post a pic a long time ago showing a Colonial Marine Rifle with a red-dot on it? It was being built for the movie. Kind of seemed like it got alittle bit beyond the "pitch" phase to me. Regardless, making Alien films without Weaver doesn't really bother me. The idea of prequels and digging deeper into mythos sounds cool, but at the end of the day, give me a random cast of good/solid actors and turn an Alien loose. You don't need to keep the same cast around forever to make something watchable. Ridley can easily tie everything together with Covenant, allowing Fox to move the series forward. I still believe, and do hope that Neill's script will one day be leaked or posted online; because if the movie isn't going to happen, then why not?
I'm sure we'll see Sigourney Weaver cameo in an Alien film some time in the future, but it definitely won't be on the scale Blomkampf intended. Perhaps it is for the best, I never had a good feeling about the whole retcon thing.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Apr 28, 2017, 05:59:34 PM
Quote from: BishopShouldGo on Apr 28, 2017, 05:52:12 PMShe'll be 74 but no one cares. No one cares about age. It's play. It's pretend. We just like the character.
Literally couldn't agree with that any less.
And Ford looked dumb running and jumping around at his age in Indy 4, God knows how silly it'll look in another 2 years.
Again. I agree with you for second time in a row.
Disney is already filming HAN SOLO: YOUNGER DAYS with that kid so I think INDIANA JONES 5 is going to be played by a YOUNGER actor. Someone like Chris Pratt(I hate him). I REALLY DOUBT Harrison Ford is going to be Indiana Jones with 77 years old in 2019(the release is in 2020).
Ridley stonewalling the competition - I still believe that Covenant would have never happened if Blomkamp's Alien 5 had never gained the traction that it did. We probably wouldn't be getting any variations of the xenomorph if it weren't for Blomkamp's fan service either. I would have been happy for an effective flesh blood like Blomkamp to get involved with the Alien franchise - maybe once Ridley kicks the bucket we'll see what he can do with it.
TERRIBLE. Would much rather have seen this film than Alien: Covenant. Oh well, Fox producers once again show they have their heads up their asses when it come to handling this franchise. :(
Even if it did happen, no one is taking your copies of Alien Cubed and burning them. Hell, knowing how Fox handles the X-Men series, they'd probably put Cubed, Rez, the AVPs, Prom (and sequels) and Blomkap's 5 in the same box set, with peripherals acting like they all exist in the same continuity with no contradictions. :laugh:
Quote from: ripp3r on Apr 29, 2017, 12:45:04 AM
Ridley stonewalling the competition - I still believe that Covenant would have never happened if Blomkamp's Alien 5 had never gained the traction that it did. We probably wouldn't be getting any variations of the xenomorph if it weren't for Blomkamp's fan service either. I would have been happy for an effective flesh blood like Blomkamp to get involved with the Alien franchise - maybe once Ridley kicks the bucket we'll see what he can do with it.
I think Neil Blomkamp is very mediocre.
Neil Blomkamp is like A BAD COPY of Paul Verhoeven.
Quote from: Huggs on Apr 28, 2017, 10:00:34 PM
Didn't Neill post a pic a long time ago showing a Colonial Marine Rifle with a red-dot on it? It was being built for the movie. Kind of seemed like it got alittle bit beyond the "pitch" phase to me. Regardless, making Alien films without Weaver doesn't really bother me. The idea of prequels and digging deeper into mythos sounds cool, but at the end of the day, give me a random cast of good/solid actors and turn an Alien loose. You don't need to keep the same cast around forever to make something watchable. Ridley can easily tie everything together with Covenant, allowing Fox to move the series forward. I still believe, and do hope that Neill's script will one day be leaked or posted online; because if the movie isn't going to happen, then why not?
There are a lot of scripts which have been locked away for years and never seen the light of day.
The later drafts of the Peter Briggs AVP attempt being the most famous. Whedon also did some versions of '
Resurrection' which we've never read.
I'm curious if the Whedon version of AR with Newt even exists in any form.
Or the supposed ideas floated early on in A3 development - of Ripley and Newt hunting aliens in 'a futuristic city', or something I seem to recall about them chasing a queen through downtown future New York?
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Apr 29, 2017, 03:58:02 AMOr the supposed ideas floated early on in A3 development - of Ripley and Newt hunting aliens in 'a futuristic city', or something I seem to recall about them chasing a queen through downtown future New York?
So far as I know, that concept never made it to the script stage. They nixed it almost straight away because they realised how expensive it would be.
TheWizard
Alien 3 is a very underrated classic. a return to the grimy horror roots of the original. a single unstoppable Alien, seeming more godlike and terrifying than sheer numbers serving as cannon fodder. problem lies in that the best version of the film is not commercially available, but a cross between the Theatrical and Assembly Cut, The Heretic (Dragon) cut. it was a great conclusion to a trilogy that took viewers to the Heavens, (USCSS Nostromo), down to the Earth (LV-426. the terraforming colony Hadley's Hope) and finally into The Inferno (Fiorina "Fury" 161). with all of the problems the film had in it's development, the production ultimately had to be hell in order to capture and portray hell.
This right here. Bravo well said!!! ;)
https://twitter.com/NeillBlomkamp/status/857369123944185856
..is Neill aware that Ridley, in his own words, "doesnt give a shit" about Neill's pet project?
:-X
Alien 3 is indeed underrated, no of course it is not best film and it did come after Cameron set the bar really high so it had some stacks against it already. My issue is with the magic egg, the whole double chromosomes which doesn't actually make sense. Of course the whole Hicks and NEWT thing was a slap in the face but it does add to the harsh reality on the universe. No plot armor to save anyone, even the heroes and main characters can be killed at any time.
Sucks to hear that. I like Neil's vision and sci-fi style. Its gritty and raw.
I don't care for Sigourney Weaver doing another Alien film cos i would rather see something new with new characters and a fresh alien story. However i would of been interested to of seen Blomkamp's visual representation of A5. One thing about Blomkamp he sure knows how to make films look like eye candy. It would of also of been nice to see Michael Biehn back on the big screen, in a big budget movie. I think Biehn needs another chance to shine, like he did in the 80's and 90's with his movie roles and not end up doing straight to video and lesser known stuff that he is known for today. He basically needs abit of luck that Mark Hamill recently had with another chance to shine with the Star Wars franchise. But other then that I'm not shocked to see A5 get canned. As people have already said i also think Blomkamp would be more suited in doing something like AVP.
If the feedback from preview screenings is true, we could be see an excellent opening weekend between 60-70 million. Assuming the film exceeds the Prometheus box off and reaches around $500m - I have absolutely no doubt Alien Awakenings AND Alien 5 will go into production (even Scott can't supress this much longer, he doesn't own the intellectual property after all).
Hollywood fanchises are building there own better worlds in the form of "expanded universes" these days. The Alien property is one of Fox's most valuable - both in film and merchandising. It's here to stay this time round - look at the spin off material soon being released in novels and comic books alone. Covenant's release date was brought forward and is indicative of the studio's confidence in the film. I think we're on to a winner - I hope Fox will reconnect to the global love and sentimentality audiences have for RIPLEY, and bring her back somehow, giving her the satisfying conclusion to her story arc we all crave.
She already had a satisfying conclusion. What do you want? Ripley in an old folk's home..?
Bah.
Ripley is history. For a quarter Century, no less. Deal with it already.
-Windebieste.
The satisfying conclusion personally is an aged Ripley on the Alien homeworld, with a company already utilizing the Xeno as the bio-weapon they'd dreamt of, and Ripley destroying both company and Xeno in a final battle.
I'd like to see that. That would be the conclusion of the themes first set out in the original arc...
...and learn to discuss rather than being dismissive.
I thought this could be interesting. It was nice to think Hicks might be back, instead of that off-screen death we got in Alien 3.
You got my contribution to the discussion. Don't like it? Bad luck.
I'm certainly not the kind of person to be told what I should and shouldn't do . So how about learning to live with a difference of opinion. :P
-Windebieste..
Quote from: Game_Over_Man on Apr 30, 2017, 11:59:18 AM
The satisfying conclusion personally is an aged Ripley on the Alien homeworld, with a company already utilizing the Xeno as the bio-weapon they'd dreamt of, and Ripley destroying both company and Xeno in a final battle.
I'd like to see that. That would be the conclusion of the themes first set out in the original arc...
...and learn to discuss rather than being dismissive.
Yeah, I'm along with the crowd who believes Ripley met the only real end possible for her considering the series.
Alien - Loses her crew...
Aliens - Loses her daughter and place in the world...
Alien 3 - Loses her surrogate family and her life...
Alien: Resurrection - Loses her humanity...
IMO, the series is one of loss in a dark unforgiving universe. Even Prometheus ends with Shaw having lost her boyfriend and the entire crew of the Prometheus.
Quote from: Kimo on Apr 29, 2017, 11:52:42 AM
As people have already said i also think Blomkamp would be more suited in doing something like AVP.
Which he dislikes the concept of. It would be as unlikely as Scott doing one.
Quote from: Game_Over_Man on Apr 30, 2017, 11:59:18 AM
The satisfying conclusion personally is an aged Ripley on the Alien homeworld, with a company already utilizing the Xeno as the bio-weapon they'd dreamt of, and Ripley destroying both company and Xeno in a final battle.
I'd like to see that. That would be the conclusion of the themes first set out in the original arc...
...and learn to discuss rather than being dismissive.
Yes sir yes sir.
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Apr 30, 2017, 03:42:24 PM
Quote from: Kimo on Apr 29, 2017, 11:52:42 AM
As people have already said i also think Blomkamp would be more suited in doing something like AVP.
Which he dislikes the concept of. It would be as unlikely as Scott doing one.
Give Blomkamp another flop or two and he will welcome a shot at AVP. I frankly think it's the only subfranchise he is potentially really suited for, and he's just talented enough to actually class it up and make something half-decent of it. And for the record, I hate the AVP movies.
Maybe Blomkamp can come up with story that continues from Resurrection? One direction I think would be interesting to explore would be how Ripley 8 has been affected by the Alien dna? Has she morphed into an alien?
I really don't want Blomkamp touching either version of Ripley.
Blomkamp won't do anything other than what he wants. No need to talk about him until Ridley's trilogy is done anyway. Maybe he'll gain some clout again during the intervening time. He needs a The Martian.
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Apr 30, 2017, 04:34:55 PM
I really don't want Blomkamp touching either version of Ripley.
Out of curiosity, why not?
I really enjoyed
District 9 and I thought
Chappie was a decent effort. I haven't seen
Elysium yet.
He needs several Martians.
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Apr 30, 2017, 04:14:19 PM
Give Blomkamp another flop or two and he will welcome a shot at AVP. I frankly think it's the only subfranchise he is potentially really suited for, and he's just talented enough to actually class it up and make something half-decent of it. And for the record, I hate the AVP movies.
To date none of Blomkamp's films have "flopped" as you so naively put it. And he has already stated that he is
NOT INTERESTED in making a AvP film.
Chappie was a flop. Maybe not a big one but a flop which doesn't really matter because Scott and other great directors also mad movies that were box office bombs. Life.
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Apr 30, 2017, 04:14:19 PM
Give Blomkamp another flop or two and he will welcome a shot at AVP. I frankly think it's the only subfranchise he is potentially really suited for, and he's just talented enough to actually class it up and make something half-decent of it. And for the record, I hate the AVP movies.
He's said '
Alien' is his favourite of the series, declared that '
Alien Isolation' has directly influenced the presentation style he would adopt and repeatedly given emphasis to a need to return to Giger's biomechamical aesthetics and themes of subversive psychosexuality.
To me, that makes him a prime candidate for at least in-depth consideration. I haven't seen any other known choices for the sequel who have aired those views.
Quote from: echobbase79 on Apr 30, 2017, 04:26:51 PM
Maybe Blomkamp can come up with story that continues from Resurrection? One direction I think would be interesting to explore would be how Ripley 8 has been affected by the Alien dna? Has she morphed into an alien?
The guy's original idea did take account of the third film (and presumably fourth, too). It was Sigourney Weaver who convinced him to change it and we know that she doesn't want to reprise the clone.
All these aspects are not to do with Blomkamp, but Weaver.
Quote from: Ingwar on Apr 30, 2017, 07:12:27 PM
Chappie was a flop. Maybe not a big one but a flop which doesn't really matter because Scott and other great directors also mad movies that were box office bombs. Life.
It made back it's production budget at the box office. BD/DVD sales would have pushed it into profit. But yeah, Scott and many other A-list directors have made genuine bombs but they know how to deal with it and bounce back. Fox wouldn't have given Blomkamp a very hot property in lieu of Alien 5 if they thought he was a hack.
I don't know why everyone expects Blomkamp to make a D9 level film with each movie he makes or Scott an Alien level film with each movie he makes. Sometimes a film works, sometimes it doesn't. Like you say, that's life.
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Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Apr 30, 2017, 04:14:19 PM
Give Blomkamp another flop or two and he will welcome a shot at AVP. I frankly think it's the only subfranchise he is potentially really suited for, and he's just talented enough to actually class it up and make something half-decent of it. And for the record, I hate the AVP movies.
He's said 'Alien' is his favourite of the series, declared that 'Alien Isolation' has directly influenced the presentation style he would adopt and repeatedly given emphasis to a need to return to Giger's biomechamical aesthetics and themes of subversive psychosexuality.
To me, that makes him a prime candidate for at least in-depth consideration. I haven't seen any other known choices for the sequel who have aired those views.
Quote from: echobbase79 on Apr 30, 2017, 04:26:51 PM
Maybe Blomkamp can come up with story that continues from Resurrection? One direction I think would be interesting to explore would be how Ripley 8 has been affected by the Alien dna? Has she morphed into an alien?
The guy's original idea did take account of the third film (and presumably fourth, too). It was Sigourney Weaver who convinced him to change it and we know that she doesn't want to reprise the clone.
All these aspects are not to do with Blomkamp, but Weaver.
I see. How did his original idea include the third and fourth films?
He mentioned that in an IGN interview during Chappie's press tour. Didn't go into any details though, just said that his story was originally going to be very different and that it would have taken into account Fincher's film as well (no mention of A:R). He said that it was Sigourney Weaver who changed his mind during the filming of Chappie and convinced him to change the story and include Ripley. At that point he said that he never imagined that Weaver would have been interested in reprising her role again.
If this is true about Weaver, I think it's long past her bed time regarding any involvement with the series. She wanted out after Aliens, she wanted out after reluctantly signing up to Alien 3. This closure she wants for the character... will she ever be satisfied?
Love her, but she seems to be a bit of a meddler.
Quite.
Believe me with Elysium your not missing out on much it's an okay film but it isn't as good as chappie and certainly not as good as district 9
It's nothing new, considering they basically let her ego trip all over Alien 3 and influence the plot and setting.
How?
Insisting on no guns and killing off Ripley.
I'd hardly call that ego tripping all over the plot and setting.
That is a very broad definition of 'ego trip'. On either that or AR.
On Alien 3, Weaver only wanted Walter Hill and David Giler to write the script. She supported Fincher as director. I think they even had a small romance on set. The problem on that film is that they never had a script.
Quote from: echobbase79 on May 01, 2017, 03:12:39 AM
On Alien 3, Weaver only wanted Walter Hill and David Giler to write the script.
Well, I can't fault her for thinking only a handful of writers 'get' Ripley. The clumsy work other writers did on A3 prior to the final film helped further her concerns. And I don't know whether it was Fincher's rewrites or theirs in the final version, but I did think the character was definitely mostly on point when I rewatched it a week or two ago, for the first time in many years.
QuoteShe supported Fincher as director. I think they even had a small romance on set.
That explains a lot.
Hopefully they didn't have a romance. She was married and had a kid.
It's Hollywood, baby.
I really want this Alien 5 a lot more as any "Pseudo Alien movie" that Scott ever will release.Fox is so stupid..a Alien 5 with Ripley,Hicks and the other stuff would be a blockbuster.Look at Star Wars...Retro with new elements is the way to go!;-)
How the hell is Alien³ still alive. I was certain that it was finished but lo and behold it's still here. It's almost as if it was killed and then resurrected.
Guys, Blomkamp just got Louis C.Ked.
Spoiler for the end of a series of Louis - the Louis character is under the assumption that he is about to land a deal to take over hosting David Lettermens massively popular late night talk show. He is strung along for the entire season and is being groomed to take over. In the end its revealed that he was just being used as a pawn so that the studio could renegotiate David Lettermans contract/salary by making him believe they had a popular youbd comedian ready to take over immediately.
In the case of Alien the studio dangled Blomkamp as a carrot in front of Ridley and said "you either hurry up and make Alien your next movie and Alien the shit out of it.......or we are going with this guy and hes doing Alien 5".
Case in point, I believe Blomkamp was just used as a pawn and the studio never had any intention of making Alien 5.
You may be right. Prometheus 2 seemed to be nonexistent before Blomkamp released his concept art.
An At The Mountains Of Madness film is all but dead thanks to Prometheus, and now Alien 5 is getting T-boned by the sequel. Damn you, FOX & Ridley!
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sPbjPOgRtyA
Quote from: Alienguy on May 01, 2017, 09:41:29 AM
I really want this Alien 5 a lot more as any "Pseudo Alien movie" that Scott ever will release.Fox is so stupid..a Alien 5 with Ripley,Hicks and the other stuff would be a blockbuster.Look at Star Wars...Retro with new elements is the way to go!;-)
Blomkamp ISN'T Abrahms. J.J. is very famous and people doesn't care about Neil.
Only we(few people) cared about Alien 5.
Quote from: Kelgaard on May 01, 2017, 04:56:19 PM
You may be right. Prometheus 2 seemed to be nonexistent before Blomkamp released his concept art.
An At The Mountains Of Madness film is all but dead thanks to Prometheus, and now Alien 5 is getting T-boned by the sequel. Damn you, FOX & Ridley!
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sPbjPOgRtyA
Be real. Sir Ridley Scott has more power than Guillermo Del Toro and Neil Blomkamp.
The movies of Guillermo Del Toro and Neil Blomkamp USUALLY are FAILURES at the box office. Those 2 NEVER made box office champions like THE MARTIAN.
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Quote from: Alienguy on May 01, 2017, 09:41:29 AM
I really want this Alien 5 a lot more as any "Pseudo Alien movie" that Scott ever will release.Fox is so stupid..a Alien 5 with Ripley,Hicks and the other stuff would be a blockbuster.Look at Star Wars...Retro with new elements is the way to go!;-)
Blomkamp ISN'T Abrahms. J.J. is very famous and people doesn't care about Neil.
Only we(few people) cared about Alien 5.
Quote from: Kelgaard on May 01, 2017, 04:56:19 PM
You may be right. Prometheus 2 seemed to be nonexistent before Blomkamp released his concept art.
An At The Mountains Of Madness film is all but dead thanks to Prometheus, and now Alien 5 is getting T-boned by the sequel. Damn you, FOX & Ridley!
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sPbjPOgRtyA
Be real. Sir Ridley Scott has more power than Guillermo Del Toro and Neil Blomkamp.
The movies of Guillermo Del Toro and Neil Blomkamp USUALLY are FAILURES at the box office. Those 2 NEVER made box office champions like THE MARTIAN.
But both those films WERE canned for being too close to or stepping on the toes of what Scott was planning on doing.
Kelgaard, I'd like this shut down right now, I see this assumption in other places, particularly Youtube. Scott's film was given the go ahead BEFORE Blomkamp published his artwork on Twitter, and even then Blomkamp must have know Scott intended to follow up Prometheus as he'd said as much before it was even released back in 2012.
Maybe I wouldn't mind seeing what he could offer in some way, but in the end It was very poor form on Blomkamp's behalf and he only has himself to blame.
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Quote from: PierreVW on May 01, 2017, 05:37:39 PM
Quote from: Alienguy on May 01, 2017, 09:41:29 AM
I really want this Alien 5 a lot more as any "Pseudo Alien movie" that Scott ever will release.Fox is so stupid..a Alien 5 with Ripley,Hicks and the other stuff would be a blockbuster.Look at Star Wars...Retro with new elements is the way to go!;-)
Blomkamp ISN'T Abrahms. J.J. is very famous and people doesn't care about Neil.
Only we(few people) cared about Alien 5.
Quote from: Kelgaard on May 01, 2017, 04:56:19 PM
You may be right. Prometheus 2 seemed to be nonexistent before Blomkamp released his concept art.
An At The Mountains Of Madness film is all but dead thanks to Prometheus, and now Alien 5 is getting T-boned by the sequel. Damn you, FOX & Ridley!
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sPbjPOgRtyA
Be real. Sir Ridley Scott has more power than Guillermo Del Toro and Neil Blomkamp.
The movies of Guillermo Del Toro and Neil Blomkamp USUALLY are FAILURES at the box office. Those 2 NEVER made box office champions like THE MARTIAN.
But both those films WERE canned for being too close to or stepping on the toes of what Scott was planning on doing.
I doubt that. Guillermo Del Toro wanted 175 Million USD for his Dream movie. Universal NEVER agrees with him.
Del Toro is a CULT director. He isn't James Cameron or Sir Ridley Scott whose can get 200 Millions. Studios NEVER give Huge budgets to lesser knowns like Guillermo and Neil.
Quote from: PierreVW on May 02, 2017, 03:06:33 AMDel Toro is a CULT director. He isn't James Cameron or Sir Ridley Scott whose can get 200 Millions. Studios NEVER give Huge budgets to lesser knowns like Guillermo and Neil.
What about Luke Scott? I heard a rumor that he might be directing the next Alien prequel.
so now we are stuck with Ridley doing the same money again and again?
The New Canon beats the shit out of yet one more ride on the tired, squeaky old merry-go-round with Senior Citizen Ripley cranking the handle to keep it going.
Thank God this Project has been put to rest. Finito. End of story.
-Windebieste.
Good news. Alien 3 lives on!
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Apr 30, 2017, 06:49:43 PM
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Apr 30, 2017, 04:14:19 PM
Give Blomkamp another flop or two and he will welcome a shot at AVP. I frankly think it's the only subfranchise he is potentially really suited for, and he's just talented enough to actually class it up and make something half-decent of it. And for the record, I hate the AVP movies.
To date none of Blomkamp's films have "flopped" as you so naively put it. And he has already stated that he is NOT INTERESTED in making a AvP film.
That's too bad because I would love to see what he could do with AvP. I'd rather have that from Blomkamp instead of Alien 5.
This project will be revived one day.
Quote from: BishopShouldGo on May 02, 2017, 02:52:33 PM
This project will be revived one day.
Maybe with different actors.
I don't see a 75 year old Sigourney Weaver as Ripley. The same with Harrison Ford and Indiana Jones 5.
QuoteThank God this Project has been put to rest. Finito. End of story.
-Windebieste.
What happened to "I'm waiting for official announcements" ?
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Glad this idea has been scrapped. Im still down with Blomkamp making an Alien movie. I think it would look a lot better than Scott's pseudo Star Trek looking new Alienverse.
Quote from: T Dog on May 02, 2017, 11:04:59 PM
Glad this idea has been scrapped. Im still down with Blomkamp making an Alien movie. I think it would look a lot better than Scott's pseudo Star Trek looking new Alienverse.
Totally agree. I'd love Blomkamp to make a new Alien film, but just leave Ripley and Hicks alone. That story is over. It was great, but it's done now.
"Ridley Scott Says Alien 5 is Not Happening"
8) :) 8)
Here's a thought: how about giving Sigourney Weaver her own Ripley film without the alien for all the people who think it's her story and then see how well it does?
Quote from: Local Trouble on May 04, 2017, 05:30:00 PM
Here's a thought: how about giving Sigourney Weaver her own Ripley film without the alien for all the people who think it's her story and then see how well it does?
It could be set on gateway station and detail the mundane life of Ripley having to learn a new job and getting her class II rating. Then Burke and Gorman knock on the door at the very end.
That would be riveting.
I want a Parker and Brett prequel/spinoff. Call it Alien : Bonus Situation.
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What's next? Hot snow rises up? Dogs start to fly? :o
Quote from: stroggificated on May 05, 2017, 09:38:45 PM
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What's next? Hot snow rises up? Dogs start to fly? :o
*Gives a dog Red Bull*
Just need hot snow now.. :laugh:
Quote from: Alienguy on May 01, 2017, 09:41:29 AM
I really want this Alien 5 a lot more as any "Pseudo Alien movie" that Scott ever will release.Fox is so stupid..a Alien 5 with Ripley,Hicks and the other stuff would be a blockbuster...
OK, the argument is mixing what some fans want; (not a "Pseudo Alien movie"), with what the studio wants.
And the argument then moves to money, (the goal of the studio) and that Alien 5 (with Blomkamp) will make big box office.
- The evidence for this is that Alien franchise nostalgia (Ripley/Hicks) is somehow comparable to Star Wars nostalgia (cute robots, Leia/Solo)?
Quote from: Alienguy on May 01, 2017, 09:41:29 AM
Look at Star Wars...Retro with new elements is the way to go!;-)
* Imo. The studio investing millions of dollars on some vague Alien nostalgia connection is not a safe bet.
- Ripley/Sigourney was in "Alien 3" and "Ressurection" which had poor financial performance.
There is no evidence that the mere appearance of Ripley would lead to "Alien", "Aliens" or even "Prometheus" box office results.
- And Hicks? I think he's dead. So is Newt.
* Why should the Fox studio risk funding a multimillion $ Alien film by Blomkamp?
- "District 9" (2009) was a big financial success due to the modest budget ($30 million) but Blomkamp can't figure out how to do a sequel.
(Double the budget to see the box office needed to pay for production costs. This estimate does not include marketing costs.)
- "Elysium" (2013) was a modest success with $286,140,700 worldwide box office and a $115 million budget.
- 'Chappie" (2015) probably just broke even after video sales. $102,069,268 worldwide box office with a $49 million budget.
- Financially each Blomkamp science fiction movie is doing worse.
He is a risky choice imo.
* Instead Fox sees that Ridley Scott has had two recent science fiction box office hits. And one was with an Alien franchise movie.
- "Prometheus" had $403,354,469 worldwide box office with a $130 million budget. This did much better financially than "Elysium".
- "The Martian"; $630,161,890 worldwide box office and a $108 million budget.
Scott's last SF movie was a blockbuster. "The Martian" numbers are in the range of "Interstellar" and any director who can be in the conversation with Christopher Nolan is going to be the safer bet.
* For the studio Scott is clearly the better choice over Blomkamp.
;)
I'm so glad that Ridley Scott came to save the day. Let's hope that A:C makes enough money to ensure at least two more sequels. A5 was just a rank fan-fiction attempt going way too far, at least in my eyes. The whole idea of a retcon to bring back Hicks, Newt and Ripley as if it was 1992, just seemed so desperate and unimaginative. I'm happy that Ridley put an end to that nonsense, at least for now.
However, I'm sure that at some point down the line we will have a retcon, and then a reboot and then a remake... But for now we're safe ;)
But I get it - for many people ALIENS is the best thing since sliced bread, and it's alluring mix of sic-fi and action combined with simplistic but highly likable characters and amazing special effects and pacing, just demands a sequel with more of the same. What I don't get is why we need Ripley, Hicks and Newt to get all of that.
Coz at 70, Weaver sees a phat paycheck to wind out her career on and say "Adios, Fanbois. We all got we came here for. Now, shut up and be happy!"
That's why.
-Windebieste.
Quote from: windebieste on May 08, 2017, 06:01:31 AM
Coz at 70, Weaver sees a phat paycheck to wind out her career on and say "Adios, Fanbois. We all got we came here for. Now, shut up and be happy!"
That's why.
-Windebieste.
Oh, I get that way too well. I was referring to a certain portion of sic-fi action junkies and Alien(s) fans being stuck on Hicks and Newt.
'Cos they liked those characters.
Everyone liked those characters.
-Windebieste.
No one wants another Ridley film and no one wants a Blomkamp Aliens. Well I sure don't after all his political messages in his previous rubbish movies. I was never a fan of them. Only the original trilogy is real. The rest of this stuff since Alien 3 is just cheap add ons.
Definitely not happening.
Quote from: Citadel on May 08, 2017, 06:02:31 PM
Definitely not happening.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qo30bZc10D0
"Definitely not happening" *Ridley Scott thumbs up*
Perfect post. :laugh:
Quote from: Citadel on May 08, 2017, 07:27:16 PM
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Quote from: Citadel on May 08, 2017, 06:02:31 PM
Definitely not happening.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qo30bZc10D0
"Definitely not happening" *Ridley Scott thumbs up*
Perfect post. :laugh:
You know it makes sense. ;)
Many things can happen. If Ridley has a heart attack or just ceases to be a viable asset Fox may not see things his way...its still in the cards
Dream on. In your cryotube. Snuggled up to Ripley's breast. Dream on...
-Windebieste.
Quote from: Z-101 on May 10, 2017, 01:25:58 AM
Quote from: Citadel on May 08, 2017, 07:27:16 PM
Quote from: The Alien Predator on May 08, 2017, 06:49:13 PM
Quote from: Citadel on May 08, 2017, 06:02:31 PM
Definitely not happening.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qo30bZc10D0
"Definitely not happening" *Ridley Scott thumbs up*
Perfect post. :laugh:
You know it makes sense. ;)
Many things can happen. If Ridley has a heart attack or just ceases to be a viable asset Fox may not see things his way...its still in the cards
You better be a child.
Quote from: BishopShouldGo on May 10, 2017, 02:19:27 AM
Quote from: Z-101 on May 10, 2017, 01:25:58 AM
Quote from: Citadel on May 08, 2017, 07:27:16 PM
Quote from: The Alien Predator on May 08, 2017, 06:49:13 PM
Quote from: Citadel on May 08, 2017, 06:02:31 PM
Definitely not happening.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qo30bZc10D0
"Definitely not happening" *Ridley Scott thumbs up*
Perfect post. :laugh:
You know it makes sense. ;)
Many things can happen. If Ridley has a heart attack or just ceases to be a viable asset Fox may not see things his way...its still in the cards
You better be a child.
and your condescension is evidence of someone who never actually grew up but very much likes to look in the mirror and think they have...and yes I am a child. a 34 year old man child- who likes to laugh at pathetic online attempts to reinforce weak malformed egos. Its called being diplomatic-might wanna try it sometime your Lordship.
Quote from: windebieste on May 10, 2017, 02:09:35 AM
Dream on. In your cryotube. Snuggled up to Ripley's breast. Dream on...
-Windebieste.
I will. thanks for so generously giving me permission to do so...What I said stands. Ridley Scott is not the Supreme Godhead of the Alien universe, and his word is not the bottom line. I'm not saying Alien 5 is a shoe-in just that there are many things that contribute to a studio's willingness or unwillingness to make a movie and that just because Ridley Scott says so doesn't mean his word is gospel. Chances are Alien 5 will happen...eventually. Maybe not helmed by Blomkamp. Maybe not with Weaver and Biehn from the shoulders down. But Rogue One has shown us that hollywood has no qualms about bringing back dead actors to star in movies, so the age of the actors no longer matters and as time goes on if the demand is high many things can be engineered that were once thought impossible...
Quote from: Z-101 on May 11, 2017, 04:25:46 PM
I'm not saying Alien 5 is a shoe-in just that there are many things that contribute to a studio's willingness or unwillingness to make a movie and that just because Ridley Scott says so doesn't mean his word is gospel. Chances are Alien 5 will happen...eventually. Maybe not helmed by Blomkamp. Maybe not with Weaver and Biehn from the shoulders down.
To be fair to Ridley, he was just referring to the proposed Blomkamp production.
No one including Scott is trying to predict what Fox will do longterm / decades down the road.
Quote from: Z-101 on May 11, 2017, 04:25:46 PM
But Rogue One has shown us that hollywood has no qualms about bringing back dead actors to star in movies, so the age of the actors no longer matters and as time goes on if the demand is high many things can be engineered that were once thought impossible...
Considering what Fox has done with the Alien and AVP franchises since Aliens, it's safe to say that anything is possible.
But that's kind of off topic isn't it?
From what I can see about this part of the AvPGalaxy site, it seems to discuss the A5 Neill Blomkamp project.
And that does not seem to be happening.
;)
District 9 is one of my favourite movies from the 21st century, and I really liked Chappie. I would have really liked to see an Alien movie directed by Blookamp, but I don't want Alien 3 to be retconned. It was my first Alien movie and I still love it despite all the hate from the community. I want to see new stories set in the alien universe, don't need to see 70 year-old Ripley from an alternate timeline.
Anyways, I'm sure after Alien Covenant's sequel they'll reach Blookamp again. By that time Sigourney will have finished her work at Avatar. So I don't really think this is the last time we hear about this project.
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on May 08, 2017, 05:51:38 AM
I'm so glad that Ridley Scott came to save the day. Let's hope that A:C makes enough money to ensure at least two more sequels. A5 was just a rank fan-fiction attempt going way too far, at least in my eyes. The whole idea of a retcon to bring back Hicks, Newt and Ripley as if it was 1992, just seemed so desperate and unimaginative. I'm happy that Ridley put an end to that nonsense, at least for now.
However, I'm sure that at some point down the line we will have a retcon, and then a reboot and then a remake... But for now we're safe ;)
But I get it - for many people ALIENS is the best thing since sliced bread, and it's alluring mix of sic-fi and action combined with simplistic but highly likable characters and amazing special effects and pacing, just demands a sequel with more of the same. What I don't get is why we need Ripley, Hicks and Newt to get all of that.
I agree. We don't need Ripley, Hicks or Newt to make a worthy successor and wrap the series in a neat little bow. But 3 and Resurrection shafted us all on that end, and gave them horrible, sour taste resolutions. It would be perfect to have one last, baton-passing film to resolve their story, and break in the new generation that has to defeat everything once and for all. Just setting the film in an alternate timeline like the current Star Trek series would go a long way to that.
Does the film have to be as action-oriented as Aliens was? No, of course not. But it should have strands of its DNA, work to combine the best of both worlds, and have something worthy and original in the mix as well. We, the fans, deserve something to eliminate 3, Resurrection, AvP and Colonial Marines from our collective memory, and actually feel good about. Not to mention, feel quite happy and convinced with the Prometheus series as well. I want a beginning, middle and an end. We don't have an end.
We just need another Ripley-free movie or two to run out the clock and inoculate the franchise against an 80 year old Weaver trying to kill it again.
Quote from: Local Trouble on May 13, 2017, 02:22:06 AM
We just need another Ripley-free movie or two to run out the clock and inoculate the franchise against an 80 year old Weaver trying to kill it again.
A cameo would be nice. Something edgy though, like they recieve a transmission from Ripley, or as part of a story-building plot-twist involving Ripley. Mostly Ripley-free though, revolving around a new protagonist (not Daniels, keep her constrained to the prequels imo)...
Quote from: Local Trouble on May 13, 2017, 02:22:06 AM
We just need another Ripley-free movie or two to run out the clock and inoculate the franchise against an 80 year old Weaver trying to kill it again.
Yes. Ridley getting script control in Alien franchise away from Sigourney allows for the exploration of back story ideas (the Engineers) and the development of other characters like David.
Everything doesn't have to focus on Weaver anymore.
;)
Yup. Exactly.
Weaver agreed to making 'ALIEN 3' on the proviso:
1. It be about Ripley
2. She dies at the end.
3. NO GUNS.
Now, I have no problem with demands 1 or 2 but that final demand meant the script had to go the way it did. It had put another Alien into a scenario with characters in a tight, claustrophopic environment. The whole spaceship thing had already been done. So a monastry (later a prison) where weapons were out of place became the main location for the drama to unfold.
Probably her more so than studio pressure was the reason 'ALIEN 3' started under less than favorable conditions. After all, the producers put pressure on everyone to bring their preferences to the movie. That means Weaver's influence was strong.
More importantly, as a producer on the movie, it was Weaver who killed of the USCM in this series because no guns were to appear in the third movie. Think about that.
What's the point of the USCM without pulse rifles? lol. Weaver did it.
-Windebieste
Quote from: bb-15 on May 13, 2017, 08:55:56 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on May 13, 2017, 02:22:06 AM
We just need another Ripley-free movie or two to run out the clock and inoculate the franchise against an 80 year old Weaver trying to kill it again.
Yes. Ridley getting script control in Alien franchise away from Sigourney allows for the exploration of back story ideas (the Engineers) and the development of other characters like David.
Everything doesn't have to focus on Weaver anymore.
;)
Ridley has messed the mythology up big time. Don't give him further control.
Quote from: EJA on May 13, 2017, 12:48:53 PM
Quote from: bb-15 on May 13, 2017, 08:55:56 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on May 13, 2017, 02:22:06 AM
We just need another Ripley-free movie or two to run out the clock and inoculate the franchise against an 80 year old Weaver trying to kill it again.
Yes. Ridley getting script control in Alien franchise away from Sigourney allows for the exploration of back story ideas (the Engineers) and the development of other characters like David.
Everything doesn't have to focus on Weaver anymore.
;)
Ridley has messed the mythology up big time. Don't give him further control.
This mess might not be Ridley's fault entirely, Fox are known meddlers so maybe they had a hand in it as well. I believe they made Cameron cut a lot of his movie out, the intended version was only released much later.
As for Alien 5, I no longer have an opinion on that. Perhaps it is best to leave it at Alien/Aliens/Alien3 and if you need to watch it, the parody/satire A:R :laugh:
Instead they could make a interquel set beteween Aliens and Alien 3 to explain the egg.
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We just need another Ripley-free movie or two to run out the clock and inoculate the franchise against an 80 year old Weaver trying to kill it again.
Yes. Ridley getting script control in Alien franchise away from Sigourney allows for the exploration of back story ideas (the Engineers) and the development of other characters like David.
Everything doesn't have to focus on Weaver anymore.
;)
Ridley has messed the mythology up big time. Don't give him further control.
This mess might not be Ridley's fault entirely, Fox are known meddlers so maybe they had a hand in it as well. I believe they made Cameron cut a lot of his movie out, the intended version was only released much later.
As for Alien 5, I no longer have an opinion on that. Perhaps it is best to leave it at Alien/Aliens/Alien3 and if you need to watch it, the parody/satire A:R :laugh:
Instead they could make a interquel set beteween Aliens and Alien 3 to explain the egg.
I believe it was Ridley's idea to have
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David create the Xenomorph in the 22nd century.
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We just need another Ripley-free movie or two to run out the clock and inoculate the franchise against an 80 year old Weaver trying to kill it again.
Yes. Ridley getting script control in Alien franchise away from Sigourney allows for the exploration of back story ideas (the Engineers) and the development of other characters like David.
Everything doesn't have to focus on Weaver anymore.
;)
Ridley has messed the mythology up big time. Don't give him further control.
This mess might not be Ridley's fault entirely, Fox are known meddlers so maybe they had a hand in it as well. I believe they made Cameron cut a lot of his movie out, the intended version was only released much later.
As for Alien 5, I no longer have an opinion on that. Perhaps it is best to leave it at Alien/Aliens/Alien3 and if you need to watch it, the parody/satire A:R :laugh:
Instead they could make a interquel set beteween Aliens and Alien 3 to explain the egg.
I believe it was Ridley's idea to have
Spoiler
David create the Xenomorph in the 22nd century.
I was referring to the pacing issues and
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sped up life-cycle and the Lope incident
Fox may have had a hand in that, I know the David thing is Ridley's idea.
Blomkamp's Alien 5 would have been bad in my opinion. The guy only directed one good movie and everything else from pretty much sucked. I'm happy with the movies that we have now.
I did not like District 9, either. Can't understand why that got so much praise. Other than the special effects and the setting. It is fairly generic, IMO.
District 9 was oh-hum at best. I thought Elysium was on pare with it and hell, I've never finished Chappie.
I actually think the odds of the Blomkamp Alien project went up a few notches since the release of Covenant. Covenant did not do well enough to really warrant the full exploration of Ridley Scott's vision. He may get to do another Alien film, but I suspect that it will be a wrap for him afterwards. But the film did just well enough to show that the franchise is worth saving, and I think Blomkamp's film may be just the ticket to do that. There are many people who would love an alternate continuation of Aliens that features Ripley, Hicks, and Newt.
There's a ton more people that just want them laid to rest as well - and leave them that way.
Respect the dead. They should stay that way.
If The Asylum studios were on board, sure, bring back Rippers noot and HIx in an episode of 'Z Nation'. Otherwise, deal with it already. lol. They're dead. Just like Blomkamp's proposal.
I'm sure we will see elements from it integrated into an upcoming movie; but as far as The Triumphant Trio are concerned - they're history.
-Windebieste.
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I actually think the odds of the Blomkamp Alien project went up a few notches since the release of Covenant. Covenant did not do well enough to really warrant the full exploration of Ridley Scott's vision. He may get to do another Alien film, but I suspect that it will be a wrap for him afterwards. But the film did just well enough to show that the franchise is worth saving, and I think Blomkamp's film may be just the ticket to do that. There are many people who would love an alternate continuation of Aliens that features Ripley, Hicks, and Newt.
Probably not Blomkamp. There wasn't even a screenplay for it, just a bunch of concept art.
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Quote from: Perfect-Organism on May 30, 2017, 01:27:28 AM
I actually think the odds of the Blomkamp Alien project went up a few notches since the release of Covenant. Covenant did not do well enough to really warrant the full exploration of Ridley Scott's vision. He may get to do another Alien film, but I suspect that it will be a wrap for him afterwards. But the film did just well enough to show that the franchise is worth saving, and I think Blomkamp's film may be just the ticket to do that. There are many people who would love an alternate continuation of Aliens that features Ripley, Hicks, and Newt.
Probably not Blomkamp. There wasn't even a screenplay for it, just a bunch of concept art.
I find that hard to believe. Cameron said the script was gangbusters didn't he? I am not sure where the truth is in all of this.
I am all for the idea being resurrected though. The Alien franchise has reached another nadir, and Blomkamp's idea could potentially work very well if given a chance. Nothing is uncertain at this point. I am sure the guys at Fox are scratching their heads at the moment about what went wrong with Covenant, and if they should adjust the strategy going forward.
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on May 30, 2017, 02:52:43 AMCameron said the script was gangbusters didn't he?
Cameron said
Terminator: Genisys was hot shit, too.
He was half right.
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I am sure the guys at Fox are scratching their heads at the moment about what went wrong with Covenant, and if they should adjust the strategy going forward.
Do you think there are Star Wars forums out there that hate the Alien-verse as much as Marvel fanboys hate the DCEU and even now as we try to forge a way forward, they're over in their Force-forums screaming "fck those Alien guys! Their continuity is shit!" ;D ;D ;D
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I am sure the guys at Fox are scratching their heads at the moment about what went wrong with Covenant, and if they should adjust the strategy going forward.
Do you think there are Star Wars forums out there that hate the Alien-verse as much as Marvel fanboys hate the DCEU and even now as we try to forge a way forward, they're over in their Force-forums screaming "fck those Alien guys! Their continuity is shit!" ;D ;D ;D
Lol! Maybe! I always felt that Star Wars was like the Beatles and the Aliens series was like the Rolling Stones. Aliens stuff is so grounded in reality and hard science where possible. Its a cold, stark reality. Star Wars is all fluff and fairy tales. But yet I imagine the fans are pretty crazy in both camps. Perhaps even more so for the Star Wars guys since there is just more of them and it is so main stream. One thing I am getting from this Covenant experience is that the Aliens series just stopped being main stream...
QuoteI always felt that Star Wars was like the Beatles and the Aliens series was like the Rolling Stones.
That's how Giler always described it.
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I find that hard to believe. Cameron said the script was gangbusters didn't he? I am not sure where the truth is in all of this.
Exactly, basically everyone involved in this except for Ridley Scott has said they read the script and loved it so is everyone else lying...........or, is Ridley playing all this down, getting confused, changing his story etc. which he is becoming quite well know for?
I say this as a huge fan of Ridley but he never answers the same question in the same way twice, that is when he even answers the question in the first place without re-directing it.
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But yet I imagine the fans are pretty crazy in both camps. Perhaps even more so for the Star Wars guys since there is just more of them and it is so main stream. One thing I am getting from this Covenant experience is that the Aliens series just stopped being main stream...
Yeah... one of my big "regrets" over Star Wars was that they pitched the prequels at kids (at least initially) trying to capture lightning in a bottle twice. But the thing is, back in the 70s and 80s we had nothing. Like if you missed BSG or Buck Rogers... that was it. You were screwed and had to wait till next week having missed an episode.
Even when the prequels came out, kids had so much more entertainment at their disposal with computer games, consoles, packed out cable doing re-runs... their attention was always going to be transient. Far better for them to have made those Star Wars prequels really adult - could have been really worth works (I really liked the last one, I thought it was the best of the 3).
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I say this as a huge fan of Ridley but he never answers the same question in the same way twice, that is when he even answers the question in the first place without re-directing it.
I got that feeling listening to his commentaries. It's like he's saying stuff and I'm not sure whether that was part of his plan at the time or if it just occurred to him. I maybe mis-remembering, but I recall he was postulating that everyone on the Nostromo was probably shagging each other.
Now - was that his thinking at the time, or did that occur to him afterwards? I don't know.
Two things about A:C from totally different sources struck a chord with me. Firstly, on youTube (a wretched hive of scum and idiocy) - someone commented on a review of A:C and said (paraphrasing) "This is what happens when you make a movie trying to answer questions that nobody really wanted answering."
Second, a mate of mine is HUGELY into the Alien-saga (so much so that he's hated everything since Aliens and funny enough isn't a member of this forum). He was saying that he wished that Ridley had stuck to his original guns and kept it as this trilogy having the "DNA of Alien" and "may well be set in the same reality." (or something like that). However bowing to fan - or studio? - pressure, Prometheus was forced down the "Alien" road and A:C more so.
So instead of doing his "Chariots of the Gods" thing, the Alien mythos is now hanging around the neck of this franchise like an albatross and ultimately, whatever answers they come up with won't satisfy anyone.
It was a good point, well made - these movies would have been better as sidequels that hinted at the xenos but as Lee (my mate) said, perhaps would have been better served answering all those questions that Ridley was posing that had sod-all to do with eggs, facehuggers and queens.
I don't think Neill Blomkamp should be the one to do the next Alien film.
Enter Jennifer Kent. Just look at The Babadook if you want a lesson on what scares people today.
Besides, we need more female directors. Cameron only had one big film under his belt (The Terminator) when he directed Aliens.
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Cameron only had one big film under his belt (The Terminator) when he directed Aliens.
It shows.
Quote from: Gash on Jul 24, 2017, 04:31:55 AMIt shows.
How?
I get that you're anti-anything Cameron, but the fact is it's hard to criticise his actual direction of the film. Regardless of what you think of the plot, he made an incredible movie for $18.5 million.
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Cameron only had one big film under his belt (The Terminator) when he directed Aliens.
It shows.
Aliens by James Cameron was as close to a perfect movie you can get. Every scene is memorable.
I'm pulling your leg. Ridley also only had one film under his belt.
Cameron had a lot of experience with tightly budgeted films. Aliens succeeds largely in fulfilling its scope, my own views on it as a sequel aside.
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Cameron only had one big film under his belt (The Terminator) when he directed Aliens.
It shows.
Aliens by James Cameron was as close to a perfect movie you can get. Every scene is memorable.
The same is true with ALIEN(Ridley Scott). It was his 2nd film too. His perfect debut was THE DUELLISTS(1977).
ALIENS was the 3rd of Cameron. His second was the original Terminator. His debut was the awful PIRANHAS 2.
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Cameron only had one big film under his belt (The Terminator) when he directed Aliens.
It shows.
Aliens by James Cameron was as close to a perfect movie you can get. Every scene is memorable.
The same is true with ALIEN(Ridley Scott). It was his 2nd film too. His perfect debut was THE DUELLISTS(1977).
ALIENS was the 3rd of Cameron. His second was the original Terminator. His debut was the awful PIRANHAS 2.
So I thought. Apparently not.
He did sweet FA on Piranhas 2. He was only hired to satisfy some weird contractual obligation the producer had, then was fired under false pretenses.
Quote from: PierreVW on Jul 25, 2017, 09:44:19 PMHis debut was the awful PIRANHAS 2.
As SiL said, crediting him for that - and using it to criticise him, as you seem to be doing - is pretty stupid. He was an FX guy who was suddenly promoted to director when the original guy was fired, and even then he was simply a front under the complete control of the film's producer - he wasn't even allowed to see any of the footage he shot, much less oversee it's editing. It can hardly be considered a Cameron movie.
Not to mention he's personally mocked what a terrible movie it was on numerous occasions.
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Quote from: PierreVW on Jul 25, 2017, 09:44:19 PMHis debut was the awful PIRANHAS 2.
As SiL said, crediting him for that - and using it to criticise him, as you seem to be doing - is pretty stupid. He was an FX guy who was suddenly promoted to director when the original guy was fired, and even then he was simply a front under the complete control of the film's producer - he wasn't even allowed to see any of the footage he shot, much less oversee it's editing. It can hardly be considered a Cameron movie.
Not to mention he's personally mocked what a terrible movie it was on numerous occasions.
His OFFICIAL(see IMDb or any other news outlet) debut was PIRANHAS 2. It's FACT.
It doesn't matter if you, SiL or any other don't consider his first movie.
And according to IMDb, Tombstone is officially a George P. Cosmatos film, even though it was actually directed by Kurt Russell.
It's called a ghost director.
It's no different to Walter Hill and David Giler not being credited as writers on Alien, even though they contributed the entire Ash subplot, among other things.
It makes sense to me that Piranha 2 is not Cameron, because in all honestly I'd rather watch a cheap and lousy film like that than an expensive lousy film like Titanic. Neither script impresses so... um... Titanic's got some pretty FX, Piranha 2's got some tits. Tits win.
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It makes sense to me that Piranha 2 is not Cameron, because in all honestly I'd rather watch a cheap and lousy film like that than an expensive lousy film like Titanic. Neither script impresses so... um... Titanic's got some pretty FX, Piranha 2's got some tits. Tits win.
Titanic has tits as well.
Quote from: Gash on Jul 26, 2017, 10:53:03 PM
It makes sense to me that Piranha 2 is not Cameron, because in all honestly I'd rather watch a cheap and lousy film like that than an expensive lousy film like Titanic. Neither script impresses so... um... Titanic's got some pretty FX, Piranha 2's got some tits. Tits win.
I suppose this Forum is Ridley Scott versus James cameron versus Neill blomkamp all the time.
LOL
Yeah, you're not allowed to like all three and it's a constant war I guess.
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Quote from: Gash on Jul 26, 2017, 10:53:03 PM
It makes sense to me that Piranha 2 is not Cameron, because in all honestly I'd rather watch a cheap and lousy film like that than an expensive lousy film like Titanic. Neither script impresses so... um... Titanic's got some pretty FX, Piranha 2's got some tits. Tits win.
Titanic has tits as well.
Titanic is a 3 hour long disaster movie with a dull love story.
Quote from: BishopShouldGo on Jul 27, 2017, 10:57:18 PM
Yeah, you're not allowed to like all three and it's a constant war I guess.
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