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Author Topic: Building A Universe Of Terror, An Interview with Aliens Comic Writer Mark Verheiden! – AvPGalaxy Podcast #106  (Read 4274 times)

SpaceKase
Apr 27, 2020, 01:11:39 AM
Reply #15 on: Apr 27, 2020, 01:11:39 AM
Great podcast guys! Very fun listen! Now we need a part 2 for his predator trilogy!

He was very graceful to grant the interview and you guys did a hell of a good job getting it. It's a shame he couldn't really remember more, but I guess that's the weird dichotomy at the heart of stuff like this, for us the material is beloved and ever green, but for the creators this stuff was a lifetime ago. I often feel similarly glitched whenever I see contemporary pictures of footage of Star Trek actors, in my brain they're always the same age, or I guess ages, but even those multiple iterations feel, in a way like totally different people. Which, I guess technically they are.


SM
Apr 27, 2020, 01:32:44 AM
Reply #16 on: Apr 27, 2020, 01:32:44 AM
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It wasn't Earth War or Sam Kieth's, imo, "pulp 50s-60s sci-fi style" comic artwork that was a faux-pas for the aliens extended universe, it was the alien 3 movie that was the final nail in the coffin of the franchise.

Are we also dead then?  :laugh:

Yes, literally zombies.  ...especially when it comes to this subject.

Thiiis franchiiiise is deeaaad.... decades laterrr we're talking about itttt.... braaaiiinnnnss....


AVP-CAPCOM
Apr 27, 2020, 06:50:45 AM
Reply #17 on: Apr 27, 2020, 06:50:45 AM
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It wasn't Earth War or Sam Kieth's, imo, "pulp 50s-60s sci-fi style" comic artwork that was a faux-pas for the aliens extended universe, it was the alien 3 movie that was the final nail in the coffin of the franchise.

Are we also dead then?  :laugh:

Merchandise, best selling videogames, board gamers, comics, the internet, conventions and dvd/blu-ray re-releases are what kept us going. Also the lingering rumours of Ridley Scott's "ALIEN 5" but by then AVP-G became a portal for merchandise and conventions.
Amazing considering we haven't had any decent film reboots since...........well aliens 1986.

As I said holistically 20th Century Films needs to up its game in movies. If Marvel could bash out an enitre EU out of obscurity since 2008 then why can't aliens?

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SiL
Apr 27, 2020, 07:51:23 AM
Reply #18 on: Apr 27, 2020, 07:51:23 AM
Marvel had decades of individual comic IPs and comic audiences to draw from. Alien does not.


AVP-CAPCOM
Apr 27, 2020, 08:20:56 AM
Reply #19 on: Apr 27, 2020, 08:20:56 AM
Marvel had decades of individual comic IPs and comic audiences to draw from. Alien does not.

I still think there is an ALIEN idea that could break $1 billion at the box office, if only 20th Century stopped rehashing the same tired story from the first ALIEN movie, sans ALIENS.

The point of the podcast very little was drawn from Mark Verheiden's expansive comic universe.

Marvel didn't just make bank on comic book collectors, I'm sure Avenger's Endgame beating avatar as the highest grossing movie of all time weren't all comic collectors. Marvel earned its audience with a portfolio of critically acclaimed films, slowly overtaking DC with batman after some so-so films like X-men and Daredevil.

The point I'm trying to make is the movie going audience is larger than the comic fanbase. Don't produce films the public likes, long-term, without invoking buyer's remorse or "bad movie beatdown" retrospectives you all wonder why nothing, TV or movie, gets greenlit by studios for ALIENS?

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SiL
Apr 27, 2020, 09:20:41 AM
Reply #20 on: Apr 27, 2020, 09:20:41 AM
I still think there is an ALIEN idea that could break $1 billion at the box office,
The highest grossing film in the franchise was the one that didn't even have Alien in the name.


AVP-CAPCOM
Apr 27, 2020, 09:27:42 AM
Reply #21 on: Apr 27, 2020, 09:27:42 AM
I still think there is an ALIEN idea that could break $1 billion at the box office,
The highest grossing film in the franchise was the one that didn't even have Alien in the name.

I put that down to inflation, modern marketing, cost of a cinema ticket.

And how many times has Prometheus been retrospectively called an "audience flop" and featured in notable YouTubers worst sequel or remake reivews. The slating gaining approval and ratings by social media and media pundits alike?

 

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SiL
Apr 27, 2020, 09:47:05 AM
Reply #22 on: Apr 27, 2020, 09:47:05 AM
I put that down to inflation, modern marketing, cost of a cinema ticket.
Even with almost 40 years of inflation, Prometheus earned more than Alien.

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And how many times has Prometheus been retrospectively called an "audience flop" and featured in notable YouTubers worst sequel or remake reivews. The slating gaining approval and ratings by social media and media pundits alike?
Not making a convincing argument that people are chomping at the bit to spend over a billion in ticket sales on the franchise ???


AVP-CAPCOM
Apr 27, 2020, 10:56:03 AM
Reply #23 on: Apr 27, 2020, 10:56:03 AM
I put that down to inflation, modern marketing, cost of a cinema ticket.
Even with almost 40 years of inflation, Prometheus earned more than Alien.

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And how many times has Prometheus been retrospectively called an "audience flop" and featured in notable YouTubers worst sequel or remake reivews. The slating gaining approval and ratings by social media and media pundits alike?
Not making a convincing argument that people are chomping at the bit to spend over a billion in ticket sales on the franchise ???

Wait I didn't say "it was only inflation" why Prometheus earned more, so very selective in your mis-quoting me. Also Prometheus is still an alien film.

Why does this forum ignore a film's post release feedback and assume box office = "happy audience willing to return"? Then assume Covenant's reduced box office was because the ALIEN was back in the fold. Maybe casual cinema goers thought Prometheus sucked?
How can you ignore YouTube reviewers getting more likes and comments on disliking Prometheus in hindsight? Ever heard of consumer relationship marketing?

Other studios take in and address negative feedback even if the film was box office smash. The Fast and the Furious is another case of tweaking the genre untl audiences, critics and the box office align before, during and after release going from petrol head porn to mainstream action flick outgrossing James Bond. 20th Century Fox made no attempt to apply this to the alien franchise.

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SM
Apr 27, 2020, 11:10:24 AM
Reply #24 on: Apr 27, 2020, 11:10:24 AM
This  'forum' doesn't have to retrospectively say Prometheus was rubbish when the evidence is generally to the contrary.

And YouTubers have a vested interest in complaining since that gets more clicks.

Covenant didn't do as well because the audience just isn't  there. Younger horror fans want something different these days. And since it's a horror franchise that's why it's never going to crack Marvel or Fast and Furious box office.


SiL
Apr 27, 2020, 11:47:32 AM
Reply #25 on: Apr 27, 2020, 11:47:32 AM
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20th Century Fox made no attempt to apply this to the alien franchise.
Except that part where they put an Alien back into the movies because some people complained about there not being any Aliens.

And again, the rest of your post really reads like a perfect explanation for why these movies will never cross the billion dollar line.


AVP-CAPCOM
Apr 27, 2020, 01:33:39 PM
Reply #26 on: Apr 27, 2020, 01:33:39 PM
And again, the rest of your post really reads like a perfect explanation for why these movies will never cross the billion dollar line.

Without you being specific, I assume you mean pining for the action, scale and expansive universes of marvel films. Films that have cross the billion dolar mark multiple times on individual outings, whereas Prometheus made a lowly $400 million worldwide- despite an aggressive marketing campaign.

If you just keep churning out fakeouts and predictably false movie endings with a stowaway alien the audience are beyond bored.

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Xenomrph
Apr 27, 2020, 07:12:15 PM
Reply #27 on: Apr 27, 2020, 07:12:15 PM
I've said it before and I'll say it again, just adapt 'Labyrinth' as faithfully as possible.



426Buddy
Apr 27, 2020, 08:55:14 PM
Reply #29 on: Apr 27, 2020, 08:55:14 PM
Wow sweet hope it gets made!

Anyway thank you AP and all of the AvPGalaxy staff for all you do!

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