Tried to watch Alien 3 special edition again last night after 5 years. It does start off great, but had to close it once the superintendent gets snatched or right after. Sorry guys I give up, couldn't continue. Not sure why, maybe it's that squiggly cgi runner. Anyone else find it looked like the protomorphs in Covenant when they're running in the wheat fields?
Just to be sure, there was 2 eggs aboard right?
Don't see how you can bring Hicks and Newt back after this. Was that Hicks jaw split in 2 on the EEV?
Didn't like the CGI runner either.
Quote from: Nostromo on May 20, 2019, 01:15:38 PM
Just to be sure, there was 2 eggs aboard right?
People are still debating over that.
Quote from: Nostromo on May 20, 2019, 01:15:38 PM
Don't see how you can bring Hicks and Newt back after this. Was that Hicks jaw split in 2 on the EEV?
Didn't you play ACM?
Spoiler
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Quote from: Samhain13 on May 20, 2019, 01:26:59 PM
Didn't like the CGI runner either.
In before SM and/or SiL...
Quote from: Local Trouble on May 20, 2019, 01:37:00 PM
Quote from: Samhain13 on May 20, 2019, 01:26:59 PM
Didn't like the CGI runner either.
In before SM and/or SiL...
The "it wasn't CGI" thing? It at least looked like it, and looked bad, so bad the stuff that wasn't CGI looked like bad CGI.
Quote from: Samhain13 on May 20, 2019, 01:47:43 PM
The "it wasn't CGI" thing? It at least looked like it, and looked bad, so bad the stuff that wasn't bad CGI looked like bad CGI.
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Yeah das rite boi.
The Old One in 3, 2, 1...
Where is Huggs? Alien 3 is his favorite movie. He is going to rekt this thread.
QuoteJust to be sure, there was 2 eggs aboard right?
I don't recall two eggs.
It's my dream that they one day replace the compositing effects with an Alien CGI that's at least on par with what was in Covenant.
Quote from: Samhain13 on May 21, 2019, 12:03:54 AM
Where is Huggs? Alien 3 is his favorite movie. He is going to rekt this thread.
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Quote from: PsyKore on May 21, 2019, 12:31:44 AM
It's my dream that they one day replace the compositing effects with an Alien CGI that's at least on par with what was in Covenant.
It's my hope they'll redo the compositing with the original puppet footage. Both are quite unlikely, though. :'(
People who saw the film in theater for the latest round of anniversary screenings said the compositing was fine. And this was coming from discerning folks.
That compositing has never been fine - unless they actually did something to it and didn't tell anyone.
Quote from: SiL on May 21, 2019, 07:39:21 AM
People who saw the film in theater for the latest round of anniversary screenings said the compositing was fine. And this was coming from discerning folks.
As in Alien Archives?
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 21, 2019, 10:06:19 AM
Quote from: SiL on May 21, 2019, 07:39:21 AM
People who saw the film in theater for the latest round of anniversary screenings said the compositing was fine. And this was coming from discerning folks.
As in Alien Archives?
Yeah. They're not the kind to excuse it for the sake of it, which makes me think something was done.
... or they were pumping hallucinogens into the theatre.
Who is they?
Many fans deify Alien 3 to a ridiculous extent.
The old Rec' board crew. Sweeper, Nightmare Asylum, Cvalda, etc.
https://twitter.com/Alien_Archives
https://alien-archives.com/
Archives went to all the anniversary showings and reported on them via Twitter.
QuoteThe old Rec' board crew. Sweeper, Nightmare Asylum, Cvalda, etc.
That'd explain it.
Quote from: The Old One on May 18, 2019, 11:06:18 PM
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Lurking, in another thread.
Quote from: SM on May 21, 2019, 11:30:02 AM
Many fans deify Alien 3 to a ridiculous extent.
As a response to the equally ridiculous extreme negativity I imagine.
Quote from: SM on May 21, 2019, 11:37:54 AM
QuoteThe old Rec' board crew. Sweeper, Nightmare Asylum, Cvalda, etc.
That'd explain it.
Cvalda doesn't give props to shitty compositing, but she said it honestly looked OK in her screening. She also said the colours were noticeably different to what she was used to on home releases -- again, not something she'd give the film for no reason.
You can see her respond in Erik's post above:
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Quote from: SiL on May 21, 2019, 11:53:05 AM
Quote from: SM on May 21, 2019, 11:37:54 AM
QuoteThe old Rec' board crew. Sweeper, Nightmare Asylum, Cvalda, etc.
That'd explain it.
Cvalda doesn't give props to shitty compositing, but she said it honestly looked OK in her screening. She also said the colours were noticeably different to what she was used to on home releases -- again, not something she'd give the film for no reason.
I dunno. Maybe it's been tweaked, or the screening equipment hid it - but the compositing was rubbish back in 92 and Cvalda sho' did dig that flick.
She did dig the flick but she was never apologetic of the compositing.
It might also just be that she hadn't seen the film in a theater on a 35mm print projection before and it looked different, who knows. Whatever the case, it appeared different.
You'd want to hope so. I remember the first time I saw Alien on the big screen after years of pan and scan VHS. It's a whole new film.
I remember the year.. 1992, or was it 1991..friends went to theater without me cuz i was on a date I believe...guys how was the movie I asked afterwards when I met up with them. No one wanted to talk about it. Wow....be happy you couldn't make it was their answer.
I don't remember any positive reaction from TV stations either. Both because Hicks, Newt, Bishop and Ripley die...and because of the movie. Everyone's reaction was like okkkk that's one way to end the franchise...
Ripley's shaved head than caused more reaction than the movie itself. That was great publicity by the way.
Quote from: SM on May 21, 2019, 12:04:45 AM
QuoteJust to be sure, there was 2 eggs aboard right?
I don't recall two eggs.
What was the final answer to this? If one infected Ripley and another infected a dog or bull. Don't tell me it's the 2 facehuggers in one egg thingy.
Depends on the version.
And how literally you take it.
The opening has one Egg, but that may be just a visualisation of Ripley's cryosleep fever dream. As the audience is informed afterwards by Ripley's dialogue.
There was definitely one or two Facehuggers, one infected Ripley on the ship and one infected an animal on the planet.
TL;DR
1992 Cut: Two Facehuggers,
one on the ship, one on the planet.
2010 Cut: One "Super" Facehugger.
Quote from: Nostromo on May 21, 2019, 12:49:23 PM
What was the final answer to this? If one infected Ripley and another infected a dog or bull. Don't tell me it's the 2 facehuggers in one egg thingy.
In the extended cut: The so called queen facehugger is suppose to be able to implant 2 aliens. So it was one egg with an queen facehugger. It implanted Ripley then went for the bull. We get a shot of this facehugger in a scene, we can notice its different.
Haven't seen the original version in a while, don't remember if it has that shot of the alien egg on it. You can think it was a queen facehugger or 2 normal ones. Even if its 2 facehuggers we don't need 2 eggs for it. The facehugger could have gotten there after leaving the egg.
True.
Both display the egg, unfortunately.
Quote from: Huggs on May 21, 2019, 04:14:15 AM
Quote from: Samhain13 on May 21, 2019, 12:03:54 AM
Where is Huggs? Alien 3 is his favorite movie. He is going to rekt this thread.
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That was my favorite part of the movie I think, the candles getting blown away one by one.
Quote from: Erik Lehnsherr on May 21, 2019, 11:43:58 AMQuote from: SM on May 21, 2019, 11:30:02 AM
Many fans deify Alien 3 to a ridiculous extent.
As a response to the equally ridiculous extreme negativity I imagine.
I haven't seen much extreme negativity about Alien 3 lately. Certainly not compared to what came afterward.
Quote from: Local Trouble on May 21, 2019, 06:36:11 PM
Quote from: Erik Lehnsherr on May 21, 2019, 11:43:58 AMQuote from: SM on May 21, 2019, 11:30:02 AM
Many fans deify Alien 3 to a ridiculous extent.
As a response to the equally ridiculous extreme negativity I imagine.
I haven't seen much extreme negativity about Alien 3 lately. Certainly not compared to what came afterward.
Yeah AR was a bit worse so it covered all this up. I just think Prometheus and Covenant are a much, much better story than A3 and AR.
If people are not keen on the theatrical version or the assembly cut anymore, you should check out the workprint. The quality makes it hard on the eyes, but the audio is mostly fine, and I think it's actually the best, most comprehensible cut of the movie if you're just checking it out for plot.
Quote from: Nostromo on May 21, 2019, 07:12:46 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on May 21, 2019, 06:36:11 PM
Quote from: Erik Lehnsherr on May 21, 2019, 11:43:58 AMQuote from: SM on May 21, 2019, 11:30:02 AM
Many fans deify Alien 3 to a ridiculous extent.
As a response to the equally ridiculous extreme negativity I imagine.
I haven't seen much extreme negativity about Alien 3 lately. Certainly not compared to what came afterward.
Yeah AR was a bit worse so it covered all this up. I just think Prometheus and Covenant are a much, much better story than A3 and AR.
Yeah, as much as I love 3 and Resurrection, I just think Prometheus and Covenant are more competently made.
Imagine the petitions if Alien 3 was made today.
#ReleaseTheFincherCut
Quote from: Local Trouble on May 22, 2019, 12:21:24 AM
Imagine the petitions if Alien 3 was made today.
Thank you for planting that concept in my head... :(
I had the pleasure of discussing it online in '92, before the internet was in widespread use (online services like AOL and Prodigy reigned supreme back then).
It was #Whinge before hashtags were a thing.
My exposure was limited to reviews and letters to Starlog.
Theories that are commonly accepted today (like the royal facehugger) nearly got me tarred and feathered back then.
Obviously I don't agree at all that the prequels are better films, better productions certainly though.
(Than Alien, Aliens or Alien³ to be clear.)
QuoteThere was definitely one or two Facehuggers
"definitely one or two"?
Well there wasn't three.
Quote from: The Old One on May 22, 2019, 01:01:26 AM
Obviously I don't agree at all that the prequels are better films, better productions certainly though.
(Than Alien, Aliens or Alien³ to be clear.)
Makes sense when those three movies were made by relatively or completely unknown filmmakers at the whims of the studio. Nowadays Ridley Scott drives the damn bus.
The problems with the prequels are not all on Ridley Scott. If he had great writers to work with, we'd have much more airtight films.
Doesn't Ridley have creative control over what the writers actually write though?
The dictates to include the Alien in Covenant would've come from Fox, but otherwise, yeah, pretty much.
Quote from: Local Trouble on May 22, 2019, 02:11:39 AM
Doesn't Ridley have creative control over what the writers actually write though?
Probably, but I doubt he's not gonna think of every aspect. That's why he needs a great writer. :P
Thinking of it doesn't mean Ridley will agree or allow it.
Whether justified or not, usually all the praise or blame falls upon the Director.
But this time, RS is the near undisputed Captain.
Quote from: Hudson on May 21, 2019, 10:49:11 PM
If people are not keen on the theatrical version or the assembly cut anymore, you should check out the workprint. The quality makes it hard on the eyes, but the audio is mostly fine, and I think it's actually the best, most comprehensible cut of the movie if you're just checking it out for plot.
I think I've heard or read a longer script with more details and plot. Probably around the time the internet was spreading, sometime around 97-99. can't remember well. Remember thinking it was much better. Maybe I just read the Alien 3 novel?
The book isn't the worst but it's a bit phoned in so that's probably not what you're thinking of. ADF's involvement in the franchise is pretty overrated if you ask me. Haven't read Covenant or Origins yet though.
I liked Alien 3 as a movie more than a novel. And I like books more than movies. The last part of the novel is too rushed, didn't like some alternative parts. You can kind of feel ADF wasn't enjoying writing this.
AC novel is much more enjoyable than the movie, and not just because David didn't make the alien on there, its a longer improved version of the story, more detailed with extra dialogue and scenes that made the story feels more complete for me. Xenopedia has the differences listed for those interested.
Origins is just... boring as an Alien novel, its just not an alien story. We know the Covenant will launch into space so its pointless.
Quote from: Hudson on May 23, 2019, 11:48:52 PM
ADF's involvement in the franchise is pretty overrated if you ask me.
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We're so attractive.
Of course, as if I would ever make an inaccurate meme. And ADF got those alien fan protection gains popping all over the place.
Quote from: Samhain13 on May 24, 2019, 02:25:57 AM
I liked Alien 3 as a movie more than a novel. And I like books more than movies. The last part of the novel is too rushed, didn't like some alternative parts. You can kind of feel ADF wasn't enjoying writing this.
You can 100% tell he's fed up at that point. I can't blame him considering he had his own issues working on that book, like the crew on the film.
I don't think he's over-rated though. Origins wasn't great, but again, he was working from something that came down from Fox. It wasn't the prequel I think most of us wanted. But there were parts of it I genuinely liked, but for the most part, it really wasn't great.
I do want to see him take on an actual original Alien novel, though.
Origins isn't great; but it's far from bad.
Many wanted a book about the Company with no Aliens for a long time. Then when they got one they didn't like it. Problem with 'I want a story about the Company with no Aliens' is that isn't a story.
Origins is garbage.
The problem isn't that Origins isn't a story.
The problem is it is just a bad story.
A story about the Auton uprising against the Company is a potential variation on "A story about the Company with no Alien" for instance, or Peter Weyland's biography, or a USM Vs UPP story about obtaining rights to a specific planet, that's rumored to perhaps have a Engineer city buried by an Earthquake.
Quote from: The Old One on May 24, 2019, 12:25:20 AM
Origins is garbage.
You know what, I thought the same, but recently started thinking that it actually builds a decent story line for the franchise concerning the Yutani corporation which we barely know anything about. Although when I think of the terrorists or whatever they were called trying to blow up that ship, yea it's kinda lame. I think this book is for people who are really really into the franchise and want to know everything about anything. I wish it were more scientific though, it felt very basic, pure vanilla.
It's a white bread book.
Burnt.
I remember Predator 2 director Stephen Hopkins said he was offered the director's chair for Alien3. I wish I could dip my head in that alternate reality just to see what his version would have been like.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on May 24, 2019, 06:26:51 PM
I remember Predator 2 director Stephen Hopkins said he was offered the director's chair for Alien3. I wish I could dip my head in that alternate reality just to see what his version would have been like.
So then what Predator 2 directed by David Fincher would be like?
Quote from: Kradan on May 24, 2019, 07:15:21 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on May 24, 2019, 06:26:51 PM
I remember Predator 2 director Stephen Hopkins said he was offered the director's chair for Alien3. I wish I could dip my head in that alternate reality just to see what his version would have been like.
So then what Predator 2 directed by David Fincher would be like?
We spend 20 minutes watching City Hunter dissect Jerry, but those 20 minutes would be forced to be cut because no one wants to see the exquisite details of a Predator disemboweling Bill Paxton. It'd be worse than the Newt autopsy scene.
Ewww.
Hey, who wrote the entire or most of the dialogue in Aliens? Was it JC and his then wife?
Gale Ann Hurd didn't do any writing on Aliens.
Quote from: Kradan on May 24, 2019, 07:15:21 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on May 24, 2019, 06:26:51 PM
I remember Predator 2 director Stephen Hopkins said he was offered the director's chair for Alien3. I wish I could dip my head in that alternate reality just to see what his version would have been like.
So then what Predator 2 directed by David Fincher would be like?
Better ;D
Quote from: Huggs on May 24, 2019, 11:39:52 PM
Quote from: Kradan on May 24, 2019, 07:15:21 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on May 24, 2019, 06:26:51 PM
I remember Predator 2 director Stephen Hopkins said he was offered the director's chair for Alien3. I wish I could dip my head in that alternate reality just to see what his version would have been like.
So then what Predator 2 directed by David Fincher would be like?
Better ;D
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That alternate reality I never want to visit!
Quote from: Kradan on May 24, 2019, 07:15:21 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on May 24, 2019, 06:26:51 PM
I remember Predator 2 director Stephen Hopkins said he was offered the director's chair for Alien3. I wish I could dip my head in that alternate reality just to see what his version would have been like.
So then what Predator 2 directed by David Fincher would be like?
A graffiti covered city during a heatwave, with an old lady killing the Alien with a broom.
A darker noir mystery, focusing primarily on the physiological tole the endless gang war causes, crime is rampant, looting, killings, human trafficking and drug use- with the Predator intensifying it with each gruesome corpse. The confrontation with the Predator happens in the last half hour, the Predator wins but doesn't take the skull of the once morally grey now plain despicable protagonist who is now turned into a shivering wreck, their life destroyed. The Predator just leaves, justice isn't served. The end.
Can anyone solidify for me how many versions of A3 there actually are/have been. I know for a fact that there was more than one version floating around on VHS in the late 90's here - from memory the biggest differences were the bait and chase, and the burst/non burst endings. It was nowhere near as extreme a difference as Assembly Cut.
Quote from: The Old One on May 24, 2019, 09:05:20 AM
Origins is garbage.
The problem isn't that Origins isn't a story.
The problem is it is just a bad story.
It's a perfectly acceptable sci fi novel with a handful of really good ideas. It's just a bit too cornball for Alien.
Cornball's probably the perfect description.
I think throwing some money at Alien 3 and just editing the goofy puppetry would improve it for so many. I'd honestly like to see Fincher revisit the film someday (no matter how improbable that may seem) to give his honest perspective of what he experienced throughout the production of the film and to see how he'd reformat everything to his liking.
Quote from: The Old One on May 26, 2019, 07:34:12 AM
Cornball's probably the perfect description.
Cornbread is better.
It's cornhole though.
Quote from: The Old One on May 26, 2019, 07:18:16 PM
It's cornhole though.
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Quote from: LastSurvivor92 on May 26, 2019, 01:10:45 PM
I think throwing some money at Alien 3 and just editing the goofy puppetry would improve it for so many. I'd honestly like to see Fincher revisit the film someday (no matter how improbable that may seem) to give his honest perspective of what he experienced throughout the production of the film and to see how he'd reformat everything to his liking.
Personally I think most fans would like to see David Fincher get drunk and do a "wasted" commentary track for the film. That would be the most honest perspective we could ever hope for.
I'd buy that.
Quote from: Ash 937 on May 26, 2019, 11:54:52 PM
Quote from: LastSurvivor92 on May 26, 2019, 01:10:45 PM
I think throwing some money at Alien 3 and just editing the goofy puppetry would improve it for so many. I'd honestly like to see Fincher revisit the film someday (no matter how improbable that may seem) to give his honest perspective of what he experienced throughout the production of the film and to see how he'd reformat everything to his liking.
Personally I think most fans would like to see David Fincher get drunk and do a "wasted" commentary track for the film. That would be the most honest perspective we could ever hope for.
He could a honest perspective completely sober.
Quote from: [cancerblack] on May 25, 2019, 11:06:52 PM
Can anyone solidify for me how many versions of A3 there actually are/have been. I know for a fact that there was more than one version floating around on VHS in the late 90's here - from memory the biggest differences were the bait and chase, and the burst/non burst endings. It was nowhere near as extreme a difference as Assembly Cut.
Theatrical
Workprint (VHS bootleg)
Assembly
That's it AFAIK? Might be some fan edits floating around. I remember xeno_alpha working on one a few years back.
Workprint availability?
Is that the one without the egg?
Quote from: The Old One on May 27, 2019, 02:36:02 PM
Workprint availability?
It used to be highly accessible among the workprint collector community. I almost pulled the trigger on a trade for one years back. Almost.
Aight thank you.
Just drop me addresses in PMs and I'll send copies when I can get chance.
SM: Are any of the three versions mentioned above the one I believe you've written about that was a bad VHS copy you have/had? (Or maybe I'm remembering wrongly.)
That would be the workprint.
^ Yup.
That's fascinating, because the Workprint bootleg was available at most VHS rental places alongside the Theatrical down here. The only way to tell was to check the run-time.
Quote from: [cancerblack] on May 28, 2019, 12:42:28 AM
That's fascinating, because the Workprint bootleg was available at most VHS rental places alongside the Theatrical down here. The only way to tell was to check the run-time.
Really? That is actually what's fascinating.