THR interviewed Steve Asbell about Fox's future with Disney, he touched on Prey:
"And coolest of all for fans, we get to find bold takes on beloved Fox properties. You can take big creative swings — which you'll see with Prey, which we'll launch this summer. A Predator movie set in the Great Plains in 1719 by Dan Trachtenberg. That's what this allows us to do."
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/avatar-death-on-the-nile-sequel-and-free-guy-future-1235103538/
Quote from: Whos_Nick on Mar 04, 2022, 01:10:38 AM
THR interviewed Steve Asbell about Fox's future with Disney, he touched on Prey:
"And coolest of all for fans, we get to find bold takes on beloved Fox properties. You can take big creative swings — which you'll see with Prey, which we'll launch this summer. A Predator movie set in the Great Plains in 1719 by Dan Trachtenberg. That's what this allows us to do."
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/avatar-death-on-the-nile-sequel-and-free-guy-future-1235103538/
Now we know the exact year the film takes place during.
1719 huh? I'd be really surprised if that pistol's not in the film now.
Yeah, I'm fairly confident that is what's going to go off here. I think we may be looking at Greyback's first hunt on Earth.
That makes this both a prequel, and a direct sequel to Predator 2 then, hopefully if this does well we will get a proper Predator 3 with either Arnie or Danny or both following up on that continuity in the other direction.
Quote"And coolest of all for fans, we get to find bold takes on beloved Fox properties.
Disney's bold new takes on existing Fox franchises? Pulease. The movie was already in active development prior to Disney's acquisition of the studio and modern era Disney are anything but creatively led and original. They're the epitome of endlessly regurgitating safe, fan pandering franchise sequels and reboots, at the expense of exploring original and bold new visions.
It has to be young Greyback or at the very least Greyback is in it. The timeframe is just a little too close for it to not have him in this.
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 04, 2022, 11:32:52 AM
That makes this both a prequel, and a direct sequel to Predator 2 then, hopefully if this does well we will get a proper Predator 3 with either Arnie or Danny or both following up on that continuity in the other direction.
Grandpas vs. Predator ? No, thanks
I didn't say they had to be leads, in fact at this point now, I'd be against that- but being present in a capacity that makes sense- yes. In fact I'm still pretty keen on the idea of a middle eastern setting.
Set in 2027 please.
Anyway I'm really looking forward to this now.
I've always felt Skulls/Prey would tell the story of the Raphael Adolini pistol right from the beginning, based on the time period. (To think I was teased about it in the AvPGalaxy speculation podcast! 8))
Remember too, that the bloke who was on set and took the pic of an actor in Comanche garb had this to say:
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Also remember we had an indicator of Europeans in Prey when we saw an actor appear as a French Trapper on IMDB very briefly, before it was quickly pulled.
So the flintlock origin feels like a done deal to me, and I couldn't be more excited.
Hopefully we get a teaser trailer soon since it coming this summer but i do t have high hopes for it to be honest going straight to hulu gives me straight to dvd vibes
Yeah the timeframe just feels too close not to have Greyback/the flintlock in it in some way now.
I don't think he'll be the main Predator though, if only because we know he survives until at least 1997 and there's zero chance they're going to have the first Predator movie with a female lead end with it killing her and surviving. So maybe we might see a hunting party of a few of them, and then the one we most focus on is the one that takes a particular interest in Amber Midthunder's character and/or tribe while Greyback is off hunting something/one else.
Still, I think at this point it's going to be more surprising if we don't see them in the movie now than if we do.
Quote from: Kradan on Mar 04, 2022, 01:55:02 PM
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 04, 2022, 11:32:52 AM
That makes this both a prequel, and a direct sequel to Predator 2 then, hopefully if this does well we will get a proper Predator 3 with either Arnie or Danny or both following up on that continuity in the other direction.
Grandpas vs. Predator ? No, thanks
Dutch brothers vs. Pred 😋
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Fox is a plataform streaming 90%.
Ceo Fox : ALL movies Fox in streaming less 2 or 3 since 2023.
Prey is not a movie direct dvd. prey was greenlit thanks to not being released in theaters. Death Nile is a bomb but sequel is green thanks to the streaming is HULO. ¿Is movie direct dvd? .NO is movie box office bad. Is the reazon.
Read the interview.
Fox is new Netflix or HBO MAX. ALL is streaming regardless of movie type.
Only blockbuster movies like Avatar, Free Guy 2, apes will be released in theaters. ONLY Good box office expectations, ONLY BIG blockbusters. Exceptions : Movies Oscars but Wide Side Story,The last duel bomb in boxoffice..In Future similar these movies ONLY Disney+/HULO.
Woh, I really hope this has nothing to do with the Greyback. ADI doesn't deserve to even look at his magnificence.
Wow seems like those reddit posts from back then were right about this
I'd be fine with them doing Greyback. If it is him he'd be younger meaning we have good reason why he looks different and it's not like Predators would wear the same outfit for centuries. We could easily write off cosmetic differences this time. I'm sure we will bitch about the face, but we're gonna do that anyways even if KNB was back.
I'd love KNB back. Their worst day is leaps better than ADI's worst day (imo).
Quote from: Clubroot on Mar 04, 2022, 07:58:06 PM
Wow seems like those reddit posts from back then were right about this
Indeed!
Quote from: Lost_Hunter on Mar 04, 2022, 06:40:54 PM
Woh, I really hope this has nothing to do with the Greyback. ADI doesn't deserve to even look at his magnificence.
I get the fear. It would be very hard to accept a no-neck, big headed, mandible in all directions Grayback. My only hope is, with Trachtenberg's guidance, ADI nails it this time (or Steve Wangs' production house is in charge of the head, soup to nuts).
This would be the first movie confirmation, I guess you'd call it, of how long predators live, right?
Obviously P2 and the pistol hinted at it but I suppose it could be argued that the pistol might have been an heirloom type thing rather than something Greyback acquired himself
Please for the love of God can the Predator look good this time round.
I'll be preying ;D
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 05, 2022, 04:56:16 PM
Please for the love of God can the Predator look good this time round.
With Greyback we have a chance, but given his magnificence during the legendary
Predator 2 ending, it's gonna be the biggest challenge ADI ever had.
Voodoo is gonna be soooo pissed, I can practically feel his rage :D
Hey, I'm a positive thinker! I'm a hoper of hope for a miracle of miracles! (But if they screw the pooch with the legendary Grayback...woo boy... it won't just be me!)
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Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 05, 2022, 04:56:16 PM
Please for the love of God can the Predator look good this time round.
If Grayback is in the film then there's absolutely no way they can match how amazing he looked in P2.
Well I'd imagine since it's set over 250 years earlier than Predator 2 he'll be a little less grey in this. So mostly just back.
Ha
It being Greyback can really only work as an Easter egg. It would be super shitty fanservice to have the character look exactly the same, just less grey.
I wonder how Raphael would fit into this, seeing that the comic is 4 years earlier than the film's setting? Maybe its heard over conversations with the European characters, noting how there were pirates and sailors were showing up as skinned bodies hanging from trees or heads with their spines missing, including the disappearance of one of the most notorious pirates around. That would be a cool moment, where both European and Native sides share their stories about the invisible demon that hunted the Americas. Adds to the whole supernatural atmosphere that is a welcoming and needed feeling for the film.
Quote from: Mr.Turok on Mar 08, 2022, 12:26:15 AM
I wonder how Raphael would fit into this, seeing that the comic is 4 years earlier than the film's setting? Maybe its heard over conversations with the European characters, noting how there were pirates and sailors were showing up as skinned bodies hanging from trees or heads with their spines missing, including the disappearance of one of the most notorious pirates around. That would be a cool moment, where both European and Native sides share their stories about the invisible demon that hunted the Americas. Adds to the whole supernatural atmosphere that is a welcoming and needed feeling for the film.
I'm really not expecting the comic to have any bearing on the movie at all
I wanna be positive, being that PREY - is Disney's first outing with this franchise and the potential for an outstanding film but....I have my doubts? My biggest concern, is that they (Producers of the film) have stated that PREY will be the first hunt/visit by the Predator to Earth, which is against 30 years of 'lore' in the franchise where the Yautja have been coming to Earth for centuries before 1719!
Quote from: SiL on Mar 07, 2022, 11:18:06 PM
It being Greyback can really only work as an Easter egg. It would be super shitty fanservice to have the character look exactly the same, just less grey.
So when Gandalf looked like Gandalf in The Hobbit, but less white in his beard, it was super shitty fan service?
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Mar 08, 2022, 03:12:23 AM
So when Gandalf looked like Gandalf in The Hobbit, but less white in his beard, it was super shitty fan service?
Are you taking the piss or do you actually think that's the least bit analogous?
If I must clarify I'm talking about his full appearance, including outfit. Obviously his face should be recognisable as a younger version - the original Predator with some spikes, whatever.
We can already see from the poster that the Predator doesn't have the same silhouette as Greyback so if it is the same character it won't be as in your face throughout.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Mar 08, 2022, 03:12:23 AM
Quote from: SiL on Mar 07, 2022, 11:18:06 PM
It being Greyback can really only work as an Easter egg. It would be super shitty fanservice to have the character look exactly the same, just less grey.
So when Gandalf looked like Gandalf in The Hobbit, but less white in his beard, it was super shitty fan service?
Except Greyback's role in the story isn't as instrumental as Gandalf's. Greyback in P2 is essentially cool last minute cameo. You remove him and movie would've still worked
Also the fact that The Hobbit was written first and the "fanservice" would be him looking the same in LOTR, not the other way around... ;D
Quote from: SiL on Mar 07, 2022, 11:18:06 PM
It being Greyback can really only work as an Easter egg. It would be super shitty fanservice to have the character look exactly the same, just less grey.
I'd expect his dreads to not be grey - the greying and bluing of the dreads always seemed like the major way they signified age in the design - but I expect facially we may get the same - the P1 look again, which I suppose production could get away with on the cheap as I'd imagine ADI still has Fugitive's head molds.
Quote from: Stitch on Mar 08, 2022, 12:53:47 AM
Quote from: Mr.Turok on Mar 08, 2022, 12:26:15 AM
I wonder how Raphael would fit into this, seeing that the comic is 4 years earlier than the film's setting? Maybe its heard over conversations with the European characters, noting how there were pirates and sailors were showing up as skinned bodies hanging from trees or heads with their spines missing, including the disappearance of one of the most notorious pirates around. That would be a cool moment, where both European and Native sides share their stories about the invisible demon that hunted the Americas. Adds to the whole supernatural atmosphere that is a welcoming and needed feeling for the film.
I'm really not expecting the comic to have any bearing on the movie at all
Yeah, they wont be factoring in the comic at all in this. Or I'd expect them not to. I'd be extremely surprised if they did.
If they want it to be the P1 look and they try to pass off Fugitive as that again then what is even the point.
Point of what, sorry?
Hardcore fans don't accept Fugitive as being 1 to 1 replica of JH face
Naturally. He's not one. But it was supposed to be like the Jungle Hunter. I was just thinking/speculating budget-wise that I could see it happening. I mean, I'd been honestly expecting to see the Emissaries in this for the exact same reason.
Emissaries FTW !
Imagine if they try to recreate the magic of Lost Ship sequence from the end of P2 in this movie but with ADI Preds ? Voodoo's head will explode from the fury :D
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 08, 2022, 09:01:11 AM
Point of what, sorry?
Why make it the same character if you wouldn't make it look passingly like that character.
Quote from: SiL on Mar 08, 2022, 10:43:44 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 08, 2022, 09:01:11 AM
Point of what, sorry?
Why make it the same character if you wouldn't make it look passingly like that character.
Fugitive was supposed to be like Classic. Greyback was JH's head (was it the same head, or just the same molds?) modified. It'd be a cheap starting point. Again, not saying I want it, saying I can see why it'd be done.
Still having the molds, It would be highly probable for ADI to re-use it (unfortunately). Still, a miracle could happen.
Quote from: Kradan on Mar 08, 2022, 06:11:42 AM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Mar 08, 2022, 03:12:23 AM
Quote from: SiL on Mar 07, 2022, 11:18:06 PM
It being Greyback can really only work as an Easter egg. It would be super shitty fanservice to have the character look exactly the same, just less grey.
So when Gandalf looked like Gandalf in The Hobbit, but less white in his beard, it was super shitty fan service?
Except Greyback's role in the story isn't as instrumental as Gandalf's. Greyback in P2 is essentially cool last minute cameo. You remove him and movie would've still worked
So when a character's role is instrumental, it's okay for the character to look like himself but younger? But when the character' role is not instrumental, doing that is super shitty fan service?
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Well, not super shitty
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Mar 08, 2022, 11:31:59 AM
Still having the molds, It would be highly probable for ADI to re-use it (unfortunately). Still, a miracle could happen.
Holding out hope that Steve Wang and his production company Onyx Forge is actually doing the Pred head from soup to nuts, from concept to execution. We never did learn where responsibilities divide....
I'm not sure what the assumption is here? Sil, are you not expecting him to have exactly the same armour? It's 300 years between the films, it'd be natural he might not. I expect him to not have the lighter dreads because he'd be younger.
SiL clarified his first statement that his face should be recognizable, just not a carbon copy of the entire outfit / armor set. I'm fine with that, and might prefer a little modification myself, but I can't go as far and still declare that a duplication of that armor set as super shitty fan service. We have the young wearing it (Jungle Hunter) as well as old (Grayback). We could have a creative take the position a set of armor is specifically clan based, and I'd be absolutely good with that.
Understood! I think logically it'd seem reasonable that he wouldn't have the exact same armor. 300 years is a long time for one set of armor. That style might have just been in around the 1980s and 1990s. :P Honestly, I'd prefer he not be in that armor.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 08, 2022, 01:00:25 PM
Understood! I think logically it'd seem reasonable that he wouldn't have the exact same armor. 300 years is a long time for one set of armor. That style might have just been in around the 1980s and 1990s. :P Honestly, I'd prefer he not be in that armor.
300 years is along time for us, might be 30 years to them, and as a knight who would trade damaged armor for new during his years of service, there's a good chance it's not very aesthetically different as that time went by. And who knows what this "armor" is constructed of (barely armor - perhaps it's not even serving the purpose of armor at all - again more tribe or bloodline based). I like to think the Lost Predator ship carried Hunters from different tribes.
I get the preference. But for me, the more I think about it, I'd like the same armor style on Grayback if he returns in "Prey". Different body & dread jewelry, perhaps tribal paint, clearly younger looking, different shoulder canon and packs, but same armor 'style' with minor changes.
Personally I'm expecting a retooled Fugitive head if he is in this. That all being said the dreadlocks might very well be the textured ones from The Predator. And while I'd personally be fine with that, it would make for a disconnect between this and the original suit. I would like consistency, it's why I was happy they retained the way they talked from AVP 2010 to The Predator. Buuuut I actually really like the dreadlocks having its own level of detail.
As far as masks go I'm fine with whatever they choose for him. He doesn't have one in the original film and he's been depicted with three other masks (one from Illfonic and two from Neca) and it's not like he had one in the original appearance anyways. Wolf's wall suggested they could have multiple masks anyways so between his mask and armor it's possible he has another set. And really maybe he should have a different armor set. Keep the design recognizable, but we're 300 years earlier and it'd do a lot for the lore if we can see an older armor or a returning design that isn't the Jungle Hunter gear. Suggest that the technology has changed and hunting methods may have adapted over time. Something worth noting at least to me was how in AVP the armor could be altered in the field and ended up with the same half chest sort of look even though it isn't Jungle Hunter's gear. Something like that I'd be all for. If this is his first trip, maybe he's still figuring things out.
For consistency I think the returning cast of Jurassic Park wearing the same clothes 30 years later in the new Jurassic World is also super shitty fanservice.
I like a bit more creativity is all.
coughHan Solocough
Quote from: SiL on Mar 08, 2022, 02:04:35 PM
For consistency I think the returning cast of Jurassic Park wearing the same clothes 30 years later in the new Jurassic World is also super shitty fanservice.
I like a bit more creativity is all.
"Same clothes" ::)
He'll change out his codpiece don't worry.
Similar armor set or not, I doubt anyone here legitmately or realistically expects the Grayback to wear everything he was wearing exactly in "Predator 2" to call for such a statement. Geez, just that Second Infantry Division tattered cloth he wears alone is from the 1900s.
May 22, 2022, 09:29:53 AMQuote from: Kradan on Mar 08, 2022, 02:09:29 PM
coughHan Solocough
:laugh:
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Mar 08, 2022, 01:28:26 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 08, 2022, 01:00:25 PM
Understood! I think logically it'd seem reasonable that he wouldn't have the exact same armor. 300 years is a long time for one set of armor. That style might have just been in around the 1980s and 1990s. :P Honestly, I'd prefer he not be in that armor.
300 years is along time for us, might be 30 years to them, and as a knight who would trade damaged armor for new during his years of service, there's a good chance it's not very aesthetically different as that time went by. And who knows what this "armor" is constructed of (barely armor - perhaps it's not even serving the purpose of armor at all - again more tribe or bloodline based). I like to think the Lost Predator ship carried Hunters from different tribes.
Sure, their lifespans are much longer, but I'm talking more in terms of just nature. We can Alien metal/adamantium fansplain it, but we've also seen the Predators hunting various prey (and themselves) that are capable of damaging their armor so it makes perfect sense to me that they'd replace their armor over their long lifespan.
But ultimately it all comes down to preference. It could be explained that certain clans always stick to the same armor and etc. But we've also seen iterations on that same armor multiple times on screen now. I'm sure, visually speaking, production would probably want a different look for the film.
And I'd be fine with that ultimately, provided it's stylistically consistent and lean (no American Football bulk please). But I think there's room to go in either direction, creatively and logically.
But I doubt anyone expects the Grayback to come walking in appearing exactly like he came out of the 1990 film, wearing all the same groovy gear.
I'm so deeply confused about why my comment got such a reaction in the first place. Everyone seems to agree that slapping him into the movie but less grey would be kind of dumb, so ... is it just the fact I said it?
You brought up an interesting topic I don't think discussed before now, i.e. how the Grayback should appear in this prequel compared to how he looked in 1997. So don't be so paranoid. :D
If it was interesting I don't see why it got so many passive aggressive, dismissive and even condescending remarks? You brought up an interesting point about the 2nd infantry, but not before throwing in a patronising jab about codpieces.
Feels like it could've been an interesting conversation about all the little details that went into his original design rather than just unwarranted snark. Oh well.
Oh lordy, well for someone who dealt so much snark so often to so many, this is quite ironic. Geez, you and SM used to tag-team me across multiple threads with all those things and more!
Now you said "For consistency I think the returning cast of Jurassic Park wearing the same clothes 30 years later in the new Jurassic World is also super shitty fanservice."
Now I don't equate the two, Grayback wearing a similar armor set with wearing the same clothes, so I said "He'll change out his codpiece don't worry" which I thought was pretty funny. ;D. Sorry if I offended you.
Quote from: SiL on Mar 08, 2022, 07:04:29 PM
If it was interesting I don't see why it got so many passive aggressive, dismissive and even condescending remarks?
Because you often do that yourself, regardless how interesting is the discussion. People here already made those remarks to you. And your reputation, identified by more than me here, precedes you now.
Sometimes people will react this way because of your overall work, not because of one particular post or discussion. I guess you reap what you sow as they say.
Rightio, that's enough. Let's move on.
Its a tricky thing I see here
My thing is that I just don't want a Jungle Hunter rip off design. Greyback got away with it due to the sheer fact of his unique status and creative license that made it distinct from the JH armor design. Every single Predator soon after were mostly their own character, and their design would reflect such individuality. Captured/Crucified from Predators was the only one to truly break from this, and this is due to partly show his status of being a member of JH Clan and to reference the mainstream Predators to Mr.Black's Super Predator conflict.
I mean there is a possibility of ADI retooling Fugitive's armor but that design is very advanced looking compared to Elder's design later on in P2. But also, Hicks, I do have a remark for your point. If the comic 1718, remains canon, and Prey takes place a year later, then Greyback's design wouldn't change that much to his comic book appearance? I guess he can comeback with new shoulder guards, new mask, new alien bone trophy, or something but the overall template would be similar to his appearance in 1718, no? I mean how much action can he see within a year compared to hundreds of years later, seeing him decked out in tribal prestige?
On the topic of the flintlock pistol in Predator 2; I always thought it was a bit silly that the predator hands it to Harrigan. I mean why exactly? It's only really there to tell us, the audience, that predators have been hunting humans for centuries. I don't see why the predator would do that in-universe.
My assumption was that it's customary to take trophies.
Earlier in the film it's suggested that other incursions happen, and they happen often. The sort of bombs they casually carry on their person are devastating and for that matter don't normally go off but when they do it's a near un survivable f**k you. A Predator dying is all things considered rare. Basically suggesting why we don't normally see random nukes going off. Predators very rarely die on the hunt meaning anyone who can take one down is impressive and Harrigan is just a cop. Cops are tough, but these are things that can manhandle special forces the size of 1980's Arnold. They're tough is what I'm getting at and not even Arnold took Jungle Hunter in a straight fight even if Harrigan did have to fight dirty to get the final blow.
Point is, that after all of that Harrigan has won. Later media (and BTS info) also suggests that City Hunter was young and out to prove himself. He failed and the rest of the group was simply here to keep an eye on him. He's City Hunter's trophy so killing him is a waste since none of them had been hunting Harrigan to begin with. It's sloppy seconds. Greyback however is not about to give him City Hunter's head so he tosses him the pistol. Essentially a sign of respect and also a trophy given he isn't about to hand him City Hunter's skull be it for cultural reasons or that he wants to save face.
The other thing to keep in mind, Greyback is willing to respect Harrigan winning, but he doesn't give him much time to leave either. City Hunter may have been the one who died but Predators are sore losers and intolerable of weaknesses. The ring leader is certainly going to reflect on one of his guys not being up to par and wants out of there now. It's also somewhat debated what he says to him as he leaves (I'm sure someone has the script) but I like the idea he called him a heathen as he left implying he's gonna be respectful and a bit of an ass.
Quote from: St_Eddie on Mar 08, 2022, 11:24:56 PM
On the topic of the flintlock pistol in Predator 2; I always thought it was a bit silly that the predator hands it to Harrigan. I mean why exactly? It's only really there to tell us, the audience, that predators have been hunting humans for centuries. I don't see why the predator would do that in-universe.
Its always have been for respect of an worthy opponent. Even the comic solidifies he gave that same respect to the original owner of the pistol, even burying the guy which is a huge act of kindness that I've seen a Predator ever done in media before, besides that one Predator who freed a kid from Nazi captors.
Quote from: Mr.Turok on Mar 08, 2022, 11:09:14 PM
I mean there is a possibility of ADI retooling Fugitive's armor but that design is very advanced looking compared to Elder's design later on in P2.
ADI didn't design Fugitive's Predator so I wouldn't expect to see that being reused unless Studios still has the props on hand somewhere which isn't too unrealistic.
QuoteBut also, Hicks, I do have a remark for your point. If the comic 1718, remains canon, and Prey takes place a year later, then Greyback's design wouldn't change that much to his comic book appearance? I guess he can comeback with new shoulder guards, new mask, new alien bone trophy, or something but the overall template would be similar to his appearance in 1718, no? I mean how much action can he see within a year compared to hundreds of years later, seeing him decked out in tribal prestige?
I just don't see it happening. As fans, I'm sure we'd all like to see him looking like the Golden Angel, but I just don't see that comic factoring into Prey at all. The live action has never done that.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Mar 04, 2022, 02:30:56 PM
I've always felt Skulls/Prey would tell the story of the Raphael Adolini pistol right from the beginning, based on the time period. (To think I was teased about it in the AvPGalaxy speculation podcast! 8))
Remember too, that the bloke who was on set and took the pic of an actor in Comanche garb had this to say:
(https://i.ibb.co/6wbHGS2/20220304-091656.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/DzD5CJ3/20220304-091703.jpg)
Also remember we had an indicator of Europeans in Prey when we saw an actor appear as a French Trapper on IMDB very briefly, before it was quickly pulled.
So the flintlock origin feels like a done deal to me, and I couldn't be more excited.
And just to add to this - Jann Elderpredator sent me this from the Aliens/Predator Universe group on Facebook. If this is legit, sounds like they purchased a replica off a collector.
Quote from: Mr.Turok on Mar 08, 2022, 11:09:14 PMBut also, Hicks, I do have a remark for your point. If the comic 1718, remains canon, and Prey takes place a year later, then Greyback's design wouldn't change that much to his comic book appearance? I guess he can comeback with new shoulder guards, new mask, new alien bone trophy, or something but the overall template would be similar to his appearance in 1718, no? I mean how much action can he see within a year compared to hundreds of years later, seeing him decked out in tribal prestige?
(https://i.ibb.co/F0CnTtG/Screenshot-20220309-081734-Gallery.jpg)
While 1718 remains one of my favorite Predator comics of all time (along with Predator #1 and Predator: Hunters I & II) I really believe 'Prey" will overwrite that event.
May 22, 2022, 09:29:20 AMQuote from: SuperiorIronman on Mar 09, 2022, 12:12:53 AM
My assumption was that it's customary to take trophies.
Earlier in the film it's suggested that other incursions happen, and they happen often. The sort of bombs they casually carry on their person are devastating and for that matter don't normally go off but when they do it's a near un survivable f**k you.
To me, the blast is overkill for a f*ck you. I see it more as a method of destroying all tech (and their ship seemingly nearby) so it doesn't get into the prey's hands and impact their evolution. The f*ck you is just a bonus. ;D
May 22, 2022, 09:29:10 AMQuote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 09, 2022, 08:50:34 AM
And just to add to this - Jann Elderpredator sent me this from the Aliens/Predator Universe group on Facebook. If this is legit, sounds like they purchased a replica off a collector.
Awesome!
Yeah, those guns are really hard to find. I've been looking for years. One finally appeared on Ebay during the holiday, but I was so focused on the closing of my house purchase I totally missed it until the auction was over. :-\
Given I have this strange curse of owning Elder Predator merch (it always finds it way into my house) I'm convinced I'll find a replica of the pistol. Found one pretty close in an antique store a couple of months ago but didn't have the money for it.
Wouldn't be the first time they got a replica. ADI got a replica of the Jungle Hunter plasmacaster to use as the basis for Fugitive's I think. So in all likelihood they probably did get a pistol.
That's right - though it was Quantum (?) - it was a fan-made replica off eBay. I chuckled when I read that. I wonder if ADI actually got to handle the armor and weaponry again this time around. I've always really liked what they did with that and while I dug the Fugitive's armor, I was still bummed out ADI didn't get to do it.
Quote from: SuperiorIronman on Mar 09, 2022, 02:00:38 PM
Wouldn't be the first time they got a replica. ADI got a replica of the Jungle Hunter plasmacaster to use as the basis for Fugitive's I think. So in all likelihood they probably did get a pistol.
The prop department for Predator 2 used a replica too, the very same Denix flintlock. So Prey's prop department was essentially tracking down the same consumer item Predator 2 acquired, used and changed 1614 to 1715 to accommodate its period.
Honestly just popping in for a peek here, but I hope Greyback isn't involved, at least as the primary Pred. Even looking at the silhouette of the Predator in the Prey poster it's a different build for the body.
I like new Preds myself, and if it is Greyback as the main but he's missing one quill it won't live up to fan expectations.
The date certainly raises suspicions, but I have to wonder if the flintlock inclusion was planned from the start, or was something tacked on.
If that replica was purchased after filming began, I'd expect the latter.
Perhaps this could just be another member of the Lost Tribe and we'll have another ending where they all show up.
I think the one quill missing won't live up to fan expectations is a wee bit of an exaggeration, but regarding the flintlock being possibly tacked on, was there an indication the replica was purchased during or even after filming began, or perhaps even procured for the reshoots? A prop department still trying to secure a scarce item prop after filming began, for a scene likely filmed towards the end of production doesn't sound crazy strange to me in light of its rarity. We've all heard of films going into production without a completed script, which is much crazier imo.
And if so, the Flintlock being tacked on would seem oddly coincidental in regards to the time period of "Prey,"... not to mention the guy who took the on-set pics during filming said the crew told him Prey was a prequel and involved the flintlock.
Quote from: RidgeTop on Mar 09, 2022, 06:05:17 PM
Honestly just popping in for a peek here, but I hope Greyback isn't involved, at least as the primary Pred. Even looking at the silhouette of the Predator in the Prey poster it's a different build for the body.
I was thinking about this the other day too - but the simple answers are - bodies change or artistic licensing on the image. We still haven't actually seen an unobscured image of him.
I wasn't so convinced at the early speculation as we didn't really have any solid timeframes, but I'm now at the point where I'd be super surprised if it wasn't intended to be Greyback. But I also don't think Prey will be trying to telegraph that in any obnoxious, obvious way and it'll just be there.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Mar 09, 2022, 06:49:59 PM
Regarding the flintlock being possibly tacked on, was there an indication the replica was purchased during or even after filming began, or perhaps even procured for the reshoots?
I'll try to find out.
It's not too solid as this is all 2nd hand info, and it was when they was told about it, but it was apparently November time. So if that's all correct, it's possible it was purchased for reshoots.
So he was told about it in November... yeah unfortunately that doesn't help. Guess we'll find out after release when lips are less tight. Anyone who's read the script could answer it I think. :)
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Mar 10, 2022, 11:35:45 AM
So he was told about it in November... yeah unfortunately that doesn't help. Guess we'll find out after release when lips are less tight. Anyone who's read the script could answer it I think. :)
Ah I miss the days of script leaks
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Mar 10, 2022, 11:35:45 AM
So he was told about it in November... yeah unfortunately that doesn't help. Guess we'll find out after release when lips are less tight. Anyone who's read the script could answer it I think. :)
Yeah, this one is doing rather well at keeping things close to the old chest.
Quote from: Doomofman on Mar 10, 2022, 12:28:42 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Mar 10, 2022, 11:35:45 AM
So he was told about it in November... yeah unfortunately that doesn't help. Guess we'll find out after release when lips are less tight. Anyone who's read the script could answer it I think. :)
Ah I miss the days of script leaks
I'm actually finding it quite refreshing.
Me too!
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Was thinking we also can have the flintlock without the Grayback.
Post Credit Scene
Naru sits on a serene pad near the stream meditating. Eyes closed, calm, at peace, she breathes in the gentle breeze until - that smell! Eyes open! She spins around to see a hungry wolf about to pounce, then BLAM! A gun shot rings, sending the wolf backwards into its death throes. Naru searches for the weapon holder and finds a European man stepping out from behind the trees.
Naru: Who are you?
Man: Adolini. Raphael Adolini.
[ cut to black ]
I don't - because I feel like there's so little to talk about!! :laugh:
There's so many ways that the flintlock can be incorporated into the movie with/without Grayback or his fellow tribe. I'd think it'd be either an easter egg or something thrown in at the end of the movie to potentially set up another future movie (similar to what Voodoo mentioned). I know they've said it would be some Predator's first hunt, but would rather it not be Grayback in this film. I wouldn't mind seeing a member of his tribe go up against Naru, but for someone as memorable as Grayback to be defeated the first time we see him would be kind of a letdown.
Quote from: Wysps on Mar 10, 2022, 02:32:12 PM
I don't - because I feel like there's so little to talk about!! :laugh:
Ha. That's fair. Shame we've seen no set reports, or in-production promotion. :-\
Quote from: Wysps on Mar 10, 2022, 02:32:12 PM
I wouldn't mind seeing a member of his tribe go up against Naru, but for someone as memorable as Grayback to be defeated the first time we see him would be kind of a letdown.
But on the flipside of that, I'd completely love it if he just showed up and absolutely destroyed. We're too used to the Predators not making it through their films.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 10, 2022, 04:26:06 PM
But on the flipside of that, I'd completely love it if he just showed up and absolutely destroyed.
Would love if Grayback came and did this to a bunch of European poachers, ones that don't respect their prey nor the hunt!
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/0b/1c/23/0b1c2307c83e1ebdeed72e41b9a058ad.gif)
Or we're going to see the origin of where he got his moves:
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Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Mar 10, 2022, 01:11:50 PM
Me too!
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Was thinking we also can have the flintlock without the Grayback.
Post Credit Scene
Naru sits on a serene pad near the stream meditating. Eyes closed, calm, at peace, she breathes in the gentle breeze until - that smell! Eyes open! She spins around to see a hungry wolf about to pounce, then BLAM! A gun shot rings, sending the wolf backwards into its death throes. Naru searches for the weapon holder and finds a European man stepping out from behind the trees.
Naru: Who are you?
Man: Adolini. Raphael Adolini.
[ cut to black ]
Now here is the thing, they said that his pistol will take part of the film but is this really going to retcon the 1718 comic? I mean I never really took the idea that the film will remove the comic from canon, since this takes place a year later, and the pistol itself is engrained with the year it was made for Adolini. Maybe Greyback got it later on, like maybe 2 years later or something. It feels like it can go either way and not really step on the toes of the comic, but people will say that movies never follow the source material or override it which is fair to say but also doesn't mean its not possible that the comic can also be what it is just as well?
It's certainly possible that if the flintlock and Greyback do show up that he simply already has it, and it's played as a cool little easter egg for fans without actually being any sort of major focus, just the same way the Alien skull was in Predator 2. That way it doesn't contradict the comic and anyone who wants to can still imagine that's how he got it.
Now that's not to say I even remotely think that anyone involved in the production has been thinking "we have to be very, very careful not to contradict this one comic from however many years ago!" Hell I'd be surprised if they even know it exists. But if they just don't show him actually taking it in the movie then even if that's the case it'll still end up not being contradicted by default.
Greyback right? What's the official spelling Voodoo Magic?
I didn't even notice we're all spelling it differently :laugh:
Presumably it's male so Greyback.
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 11, 2022, 07:00:56 PM
*Greyback right? What's the official spelling Voodoo Magic?
Grayback. The Thomas Brothers referred to it as Grayback.
(https://i.ibb.co/7VgvTWq/Screenshot-20220311-193923-Adobe-Acrobat.jpg)
I used to correct people on it, but at some point, I decided it was not a hill worthy to die on. :)
May 22, 2022, 09:28:49 AMQuote from: Wysps on Mar 11, 2022, 09:20:42 PM
I didn't even notice we're all spelling it differently :laugh:
It's those darn Brits causing all the trouble! I think they're still jealous we won the Revolutionary War! :D
Both spellings are valid if it just refers to the colour.
I think you mean color. :D
Nah, I say if you gotta pick one, the Thomas Brothers knows best!
Not in this neighbourhood ;D
I don't see why you have to pick one. They wrote Gray because they're American, but it's plenty common to adapt spelling even for proper names (grey/gray whale, fox, etc)
I'm pretty sure I've used both spellings numerous times throughout the forum, depending how other people are spelling it at the time :P
Graebach
I think Greyback is the most widely used because those darn Brits at Xenopedia, who were also the ones got everyone believing Arnold was going to play the Keyes role in Predator 2. Heck, they still have pics on Xenopedia of twin Mexican Restaurant owners (also named Thomas) as Jim and John Thomas! :P
Still love the Xenopedia guys though.
Here we are:
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https://avp.fandom.com/wiki/Jim_Thomas
https://avp.fandom.com/wiki/John_Thomas
HuDaFuK, whaddafuk ?
Grayback it is then.
Even if Grey's just better lol
And if I try searching it on Google it autocorrects to Greyback
Even Stan Winston Studios uses Greyback. I'm the last of Mohicans. :D
Then I guess Greyback it is!
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 12, 2022, 07:42:29 PM
Then I guess Greyback it is!
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;D