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Title: Dark Horse Comics Announces Aliens: Colonial Marines: Rising Threat!
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jun 13, 2019, 02:32:05 PM

With Aliens: Rescue due to kick off at the end of July, Dark Horse Comics have announced the next series – Aliens: Colonial Marines: Rising Threat! Rising Threat is set to tie into the events of the upcoming game from Cold Iron Studios and will also continue the story of Olivia Shipp, the character recently introduced in Alien: Echo!

“Aliens Colonial Marines: Rising Threat delves into the formative years of the Colonial Marines. Tying into the events of the upcoming Cold Iron Studios videogame, this new series introduces Olivia Shipp, leader of a squad of battle-weary Marines who have defied orders to rescue the survivors of a refinery under siege.”

Once again Brian Wood is returning to write Rising Threat, making this his fourth Alien series for Dark Horse. Interior artwork with be handled by Werther Dell'Edera, with Michael Atiyeh responsible for colours. Though the press release (via Comicbook.com) doesn’t mention, it would appear that the fan favourite Tristan Jones is returning to provide cover art!

Aliens: Colonial Marines: Rising Threat will be an 8 issue long run, with the first issue currently scheduled for release on the 18th of September.

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Post by: Nukiemorph on Jun 13, 2019, 02:43:55 PM
A tie-in for the video game.  Good.  I was worried this would be yet another Zula drag-out.
Title: Re: Dark Horse Comics Announces Aliens: Colonial Marines: Rising Threat!
Post by: JokersWarPig on Jun 13, 2019, 02:53:57 PM
Definitely will be picking these up once they start to drop
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Post by: HuDaFuK on Jun 13, 2019, 02:56:25 PM
They're going really big with the interconnecting stories of late, aren't they.
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Post by: Wweyland on Jun 13, 2019, 04:45:59 PM
Interesting.
Although Olivia didn't seem like the type of person who would become a Colonial Marine.
I wonder if she still carries a certain thing in a bag with her.
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Post by: Adam802 on Jun 13, 2019, 05:24:53 PM
Interesting that it ties into the CIS game. 
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Post by: Nukiemorph on Jun 13, 2019, 05:55:03 PM
Quote from: Wweyland on Jun 13, 2019, 04:45:59 PM
Interesting.
Although Olivia didn't seem like the type of person who would become a Colonial Marine.
I wonder if she still carries a certain thing in a bag with her.
Am I missing something?  Have we seen this Olivia character before?
Title: Re: Dark Horse Comics Announces Aliens: Colonial Marines: Rising Threat!
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jun 13, 2019, 05:56:30 PM
As per the first post, she's from Alien: Echo.  :)
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Post by: Nukiemorph on Jun 13, 2019, 06:42:33 PM
Ah.  I admit, I just read the synopsis quote.  :P
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Post by: Nostromo on Jun 13, 2019, 07:11:08 PM
Effinnnnnnnn awesomeeeeee

Thx Dark Horse. Hope it's great.
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Post by: Wweyland on Jun 13, 2019, 07:12:09 PM
Make the Colonial Marines great again.
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Post by: Samhain13 on Jun 13, 2019, 07:18:57 PM
Another ACM? Is Randy overseeing this?  ;D

Olivia as a marine huh? Not expecting that.

They preferred to make a "sequel" to Echo instead of one to The Cold Forge? Really?
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Post by: Wweyland on Jun 13, 2019, 07:38:36 PM
Quote from: Samhain13 on Jun 13, 2019, 07:18:57 PM
Another ACM? Is Randy overseeing this?  ;D

Olivia as a marine huh? Not expecting that.

They preferred to make a "sequel" to Echo instead of one to The Cold Forge? Really?
They couldn't make Blue into a Colonial Marine.
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Post by: Still Collating... on Jun 13, 2019, 08:36:40 PM
Oh hell yeah! Ties into the new game? Continues from Echo? Now I'm definitely getting that novel. I really appreciate how much they're trying to connect the recent entries, I hope it works out well. It's intriguing so far, I'll at least give them that.

Kinda glad that Amanda's not mentioned and getting some rest. But it's sad that Tristan's not drawing... Hope the art is nice.
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Post by: Ultramorph on Jun 13, 2019, 08:49:16 PM
According to Dark Horse on Twitter, the series will explore the origins of the Colonial Marines, so we're probably looking at a pre-Defiance setting.

https://twitter.com/darkhorsecomics/status/1139268727680196608?s=21 (https://twitter.com/darkhorsecomics/status/1139268727680196608?s=21)
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Post by: JokersWarPig on Jun 13, 2019, 09:14:22 PM
That explains the weird looking pulse rife and the '86 style armor but with the plate carrier looking pouch set up
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Post by: Samhain13 on Jun 13, 2019, 09:18:28 PM
Huh. So more places being full of aliens set between Alien and Aliens.
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Post by: Ultramorph on Jun 13, 2019, 09:32:45 PM
Arcturians or we riot!
Title: Re: Dark Horse Comics Announces Aliens: Colonial Marines: Rising Threat!
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jun 13, 2019, 09:35:22 PM
Quote from: JokersWarPig on Jun 13, 2019, 09:14:22 PM
That explains the weird looking pulse rife and the '86 style armor but with the plate carrier looking pouch set up

That's how Tristan drew them in Defiance iirc.
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Post by: Samhain13 on Jun 13, 2019, 09:37:13 PM
Quote from: Ultramorph on Jun 13, 2019, 09:32:45 PM
Arcturians or we riot!

Frost's Arcturus adventures!
Title: Re: Dark Horse Comics Announces Aliens: Colonial Marines: Rising Threat!
Post by: SM on Jun 13, 2019, 10:16:15 PM
Quote from: Samhain13 on Jun 13, 2019, 09:18:28 PM
Huh. So more places being full of aliens set between Alien and Aliens.

Only if they've changed when this is going to take place.
Title: Re: Dark Horse Comics Announces Aliens: Colonial Marines: Rising Threat!
Post by: Local Trouble on Jun 13, 2019, 10:32:12 PM
In this age of constant reboots, why don't they just leave Alien 3 alone and ignore AR instead?  It sounds like that's what they really want to do.
Title: Re: Dark Horse Comics Announces Aliens: Colonial Marines: Rising Threat!
Post by: Samhain13 on Jun 13, 2019, 11:08:04 PM
Quote from: SM on Jun 13, 2019, 10:16:15 PM
Quote from: Samhain13 on Jun 13, 2019, 09:18:28 PM
Huh. So more places being full of aliens set between Alien and Aliens.

Only if they've changed when this is going to take place.

Now that's nice. So I might be getting a post-Alien 3 story... wait hope you don't mean set before Alien or between Aliens and Alien 3.

Quote from: Local Trouble on Jun 13, 2019, 10:32:12 PM
In this age of constant reboots, why don't they just leave Alien 3 alone and ignore AR instead?  It sounds like that's what they really want to do.

I might be able to tolerate Olivia more if her story ignores the "aliens have been dead for 200 years" thing from AR.
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Post by: Local Trouble on Jun 13, 2019, 11:25:12 PM
Quote from: Samhain13 on Jun 13, 2019, 11:08:04 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jun 13, 2019, 10:32:12 PM
In this age of constant reboots, why don't they just leave Alien 3 alone and ignore AR instead?  It sounds like that's what they really want to do.

I might be able to tolerate Olivia more if her story ignores the "aliens have been dead for 200 years" thing from AR.

The entire franchise would be tolerable if it ignored the "aliens have been dead for 200 years" thing from AR.
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Post by: Samhain13 on Jun 13, 2019, 11:39:50 PM
Oh, so we can agree at least on one thing.
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Post by: tyrannosaurusjones on Jun 13, 2019, 11:41:25 PM
Quote from: JokersWarPig on Jun 13, 2019, 09:14:22 PM
That explains the weird looking pulse rife and the '86 style armor but with the plate carrier looking pouch set up

If you've read Defiance you know already that I draw my marines that way all the time.

That's also an NSG 23 Assault Rifle. Weaponry is one of the things the ACM did well

Quote from: Samhain13 on Jun 13, 2019, 07:18:57 PM
Another ACM? Is Randy overseeing this?  ;D
Nope. Spencer is editing the series. The game is being overseen by zero Randy's.

Quote from: Samhain13 on Jun 13, 2019, 07:18:57 PMThey preferred to make a "sequel" to Echo instead of one to The Cold Forge? Really?

Because Olivia has a role in the upcoming game, too.
Title: Re: Dark Horse Comics Announces Aliens: Colonial Marines: Rising Threat!
Post by: SM on Jun 13, 2019, 11:53:09 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jun 13, 2019, 10:32:12 PM
In this age of constant reboots, why don't they just leave Alien 3 alone and ignore AR instead?  It sounds like that's what they really want to do.

There is a plan to have ones cake and also eat it.
Title: Re: Dark Horse Comics Announces Aliens: Colonial Marines: Rising Threat!
Post by: Samhain13 on Jun 14, 2019, 12:04:12 AM
Quote from: tyrannosaurusjones on Jun 13, 2019, 11:41:25 PM
That's also an NSG 23 Assault Rifle. Weaponry is one of the things the ACM did well

And I thought I was imagining things. So the gun in the cover is the one from ACM.

Quote from: tyrannosaurusjones on Jun 13, 2019, 11:41:25 PM
The game is being overseen by zero Randy's.

Someone will be disappointed.  :laugh:

Quote from: tyrannosaurusjones on Jun 13, 2019, 11:41:25 PM
Because Olivia has a role in the upcoming game, too.

Not sure how I feel about this. Hated the character in Echo but want another game so much. Thanks for sharing the info.
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Post by: SM on Jun 14, 2019, 12:10:01 AM
She'll be older in both.
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Post by: tyrannosaurusjones on Jun 14, 2019, 12:15:29 AM
Quote from: SM on Jun 14, 2019, 12:10:01 AM
She'll be older in both.

And my understanding is she's significantly older and barely in the game. It's something like 20 years between this and Echo, then another 30 between the game and this.
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Post by: Vrastal on Jun 14, 2019, 12:18:43 AM
Is alien echos any good?

If its 8 issues, one a month. So we can expect game release around May to dummer next year, assuming the game releases right after the comics end
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Post by: SM on Jun 14, 2019, 12:40:01 AM
Quote from: tyrannosaurusjones on Jun 14, 2019, 12:15:29 AM
Quote from: SM on Jun 14, 2019, 12:10:01 AM
She'll be older in both.

And my understanding is she's significantly older and barely in the game. It's something like 20 years between this and Echo, then another 30 between the game and this.

Last I heard, the comic wasn't that much after Echo (maybe 10 years tops), but the game was much later.
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Post by: Xiggz456 on Jun 14, 2019, 12:41:13 AM
Hyped! Glad to see Olivia's story continued and I'm very glad that it's an 8 issue run. Also I'm intrigued at how this is going to tie into the new game. Fingers crossed that TyrannosaurusJones is blessing us with 8 covers!
Title: Re: Dark Horse Comics Announces Aliens: Colonial Marines: Rising Threat!
Post by: tyrannosaurusjones on Jun 14, 2019, 12:57:10 AM
Quote from: SM on Jun 14, 2019, 12:40:01 AM

Last I heard, the comic wasn't that much after Echo (maybe 10 years tops), but the game was much later.

Hmmm... having not read Echo, how old is she in that? I thought she was only Newt's age? But I guess if she's in her teens then yeah, ten to fifteen years I guess. Brief I got was that she was in her 20's, maybe 30's. Game she's well into her 50's maybe more.

Quote from: Xiggz456 on Jun 14, 2019, 12:41:13 AM
Hyped! Glad to see Olivia's story continued and I'm very glad that it's an 8 issue run. Also I'm intrigued at how this is going to tie into the new game. Fingers crossed that TyrannosaurusJones is blessing us with 8 covers!

Thanks! I've done 3 so far...
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Post by: Local Trouble on Jun 14, 2019, 01:16:02 AM
Maybe some day you can fit in some of those other guns shown in the Sulaco's armory in Aliens.  :)

http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Aliens#Rifles (http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Aliens#Rifles)

Modified, of course, to fit in with the likes of the pulse rifles and smart guns.  I'd especially like to see that Lewis gun in some form.  It'd make a good alternative to the smart gun for "stand-up fights."

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Post by: SM on Jun 14, 2019, 01:22:13 AM
QuoteHmmm... having not read Echo, how old is she in that? I thought she was only Newt's age? But I guess if she's in her teens then yeah, ten to fifteen years I guess. Brief I got was that she was in her 20's, maybe 30's.

She's seventeen in Echo, so that sounds about right.
Title: Re: Dark Horse Comics Announces Aliens: Colonial Marines: Rising Threat!
Post by: Kimarhi on Jun 14, 2019, 02:30:33 AM
They need to update the CM design.  I realize this is classic 80's pop culture iconic design that everybody can look and identify, but they would not keep the same gear that long.  Your adversaries adapt to your defenses and offense and thus you must finally change to throw them off kilter.

Kind of like the US military keeping the 5.56 for so long that Russia and China spent a fortune updating their troops armor to stop that round thus forcing the US military to start developing a weapon system that will use a different cartridge.

Plus, where are the other branches in the Alien universe?  The Army should at least be around talking shit to the crayon eating jarheads, and the leathernecks should be jealous of all the gear the Army is going to get 20 years in advance. 













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Post by: tyrannosaurusjones on Jun 14, 2019, 03:17:31 AM
Quote from: Kimarhi on Jun 14, 2019, 02:30:33 AM
They need to update the CM design.  I realize this is classic 80's pop culture iconic design that everybody can look and identify, but they would not keep the same gear that long.  Your adversaries adapt to your defenses and offense and thus you must finally change to throw them off kilter.

Kind of like the US military keeping the 5.56 for so long that Russia and China spent a fortune updating their troops armor to stop that round thus forcing the US military to start developing a weapon system that will use a different cartridge.

Plus, where are the other branches in the Alien universe?  The Army should at least be around talking shit to the crayon eating jarheads, and the leathernecks should be jealous of all the gear the Army is going to get 20 years in advance. 

I thought that's kinda what I did...(?) Defiance, all their gear was based on current real world marine gear with a few Aliens tweaks.

Quote from: Local Trouble on Jun 14, 2019, 01:16:02 AM
Maybe some day you can fit in some of those other guns shown in the Sulaco's armory in Aliens.  :)

http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Aliens#Rifles (http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Aliens#Rifles)

Modified, of course, to fit in with the likes of the pulse rifles and smart guns.  I'd especially like to see that Lewis Gun in some form.  It'd make a good alternative to the smart gun for "stand-up fights."

The Heckler and Koch VP70 was in Defiance...

But that Lewis Gun looks like a static position gun. I feel like firing that thing off without a mount would be massively unweildy
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Post by: Hudson on Jun 14, 2019, 05:22:10 AM
Quote from: Nazrel on Jun 14, 2019, 12:18:43 AM
Is alien echos any good?

If its 8 issues, one a month. So we can expect game release around May to dummer next year, assuming the game releases right after the comics end

I think the Olivia character is going to work fine for people who haven't read Echo. If you can imagine a person who's been traumatized by the Aliens without needing to know all the exact play-by-play details, you'll be fine not reading Echo. Anything that's unique I'm sure they'll provide context on.

Quote from: Kimarhi on Jun 14, 2019, 02:30:33 AM
They need to update the CM design.  I realize this is classic 80's pop culture iconic design that everybody can look and identify, but they would not keep the same gear that long.  Your adversaries adapt to your defenses and offense and thus you must finally change to throw them off kilter.

Kind of like the US military keeping the 5.56 for so long that Russia and China spent a fortune updating their troops armor to stop that round thus forcing the US military to start developing a weapon system that will use a different cartridge.

Plus, where are the other branches in the Alien universe?  The Army should at least be around talking shit to the crayon eating jarheads, and the leathernecks should be jealous of all the gear the Army is going to get 20 years in advance.

Not a bad point, but how long have people been making their own version of AK-47s? Sometimes there's a design that works for a while.

And what's the point of the Army? Seems like, in space, military forces need to be expeditionary, which the Army is not.
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Post by: Local Trouble on Jun 14, 2019, 05:29:52 AM
Quote from: tyrannosaurusjones on Jun 14, 2019, 03:17:31 AMBut that Lewis Gun looks like a static position gun. I feel like firing that thing off without a mount would be massively unweildy

That's kind of my point though since the smart gun is hardly a practical weapon to hit the dirt with if you're taking enemy fire.  While it may be great for bug hunts, stand-up fights may call for something that doesn't require a bulky harness.  The Lewis gun (or whatever they call it) may be exactly that for the USCM.
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Post by: Still Collating... on Jun 14, 2019, 05:53:52 AM
Well this is just sounding more and more interesting by the minute. Alien media is really being produced now on a regular basis, I'm glad to see this.
Also, I'm excited that it will be an 8 issue run, since I do find a lot of the comics have pacing issues where things either get rushed or underdeveloped. Even though Defiance isn't perfect in a few regards, I really like how long the run lasted. So this will be really fun to see.

And since we still know nothing about the new game other than it having maybe marines in it and probably MP, it's nice that we're getting a background to the story or if it won't impact the final game much, at least we have context that fits in with what we're getting.

Appreciate the effort from Fox/Disney.
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Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jun 14, 2019, 07:52:09 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jun 14, 2019, 01:16:02 AM
Maybe some day you can fit in some of those other guns shown in the Sulaco's armory in Aliens.  :)

http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Aliens#Rifles (http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Aliens#Rifles)

Modified, of course, to fit in with the likes of the pulse rifles and smart guns.  I'd especially like to see that Lewis gun in some form.  It'd make a good alternative to the smart gun for "stand-up fights."

I'm still hoping to see that Pulse Rifle-ish shotgun!

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.avpgalaxy.net%2Fgallery%2Falbums%2Fgames%2Favp2%2Fconcept09.jpg&hash=2e05784f1bdacfffcc0e5b7ddf65c892)
Title: Re: Dark Horse Comics Announces Aliens: Colonial Marines: Rising Threat!
Post by: Drukathi on Jun 14, 2019, 10:49:40 AM
I am glad to learn something new about Alien game from CIS.
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Post by: Nostromo on Jun 14, 2019, 12:24:37 PM
8 issue series ay. Nice. Bring it on over, straight to bay 12 puhlease.
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Post by: Whiskeybrewer on Jun 14, 2019, 12:33:28 PM
Wow they really are picking up the pace on new stories now we've hit the 40th anniversary
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Post by: Xenomrph on Jun 14, 2019, 12:57:37 PM
Quote from: Kimarhi on Jun 14, 2019, 02:30:33 AM
They need to update the CM design.  I realize this is classic 80's pop culture iconic design that everybody can look and identify, but they would not keep the same gear that long. 

That's one of the things I liked about AvP2010, it updated the Marine gear (and even referenced some of the in-development stuff mentioned in the USCM Tech Manual) but still kept it recognizable.
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Post by: The Old One on Jun 14, 2019, 12:59:42 PM
Tristan Jones did it better in Defiance.
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Post by: Xiggz456 on Jun 14, 2019, 04:08:14 PM
Knowing this drops in September, it appears that it will run until Alien day next year. Gotta love the influx of new content and on a side note, this month is going to be the only month of 2019 where we aren't getting any new Alien content. Definitely a sign of a healthy franchise if you ask me!
Title: Re: Dark Horse Comics Announces Aliens: Colonial Marines: Rising Threat!
Post by: Kimarhi on Jun 14, 2019, 07:00:05 PM
Quote from: Hudson on Jun 14, 2019, 05:22:10 AM
Quote from: Nazrel on Jun 14, 2019, 12:18:43 AM
Is alien echos any good?

If its 8 issues, one a month. So we can expect game release around May to dummer next year, assuming the game releases right after the comics end

I think the Olivia character is going to work fine for people who haven't read Echo. If you can imagine a person who's been traumatized by the Aliens without needing to know all the exact play-by-play details, you'll be fine not reading Echo. Anything that's unique I'm sure they'll provide context on.

Quote from: Kimarhi on Jun 14, 2019, 02:30:33 AM
They need to update the CM design.  I realize this is classic 80's pop culture iconic design that everybody can look and identify, but they would not keep the same gear that long.  Your adversaries adapt to your defenses and offense and thus you must finally change to throw them off kilter.

Kind of like the US military keeping the 5.56 for so long that Russia and China spent a fortune updating their troops armor to stop that round thus forcing the US military to start developing a weapon system that will use a different cartridge.

Plus, where are the other branches in the Alien universe?  The Army should at least be around talking shit to the crayon eating jarheads, and the leathernecks should be jealous of all the gear the Army is going to get 20 years in advance.

Not a bad point, but how long have people been making their own version of AK-47s? Sometimes there's a design that works for a while.

And what's the point of the Army? Seems like, in space, military forces need to be expeditionary, which the Army is not.

The Army has whole divisions that are expeditionary.   The army has more people in more countries than the rest of the military combined as well as the bulk of the us SOF forces.  This isn't going to change in the future.

The Marines are known to be expediotonary simply because they can't sustain a fight on their own.


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Post by: 426Buddy on Jun 14, 2019, 08:34:42 PM
I always find the strong rivalrys between military branches to be interesting.
Title: Re: Dark Horse Comics Announces Aliens: Colonial Marines: Rising Threat!
Post by: Hudson on Jun 14, 2019, 09:48:15 PM
You're not wrong about being jealous of better gear. I was cleaning M16s with literal toothbrushes...in 2012!
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Post by: Local Trouble on Jun 14, 2019, 11:14:22 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jun 14, 2019, 07:52:09 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jun 14, 2019, 01:16:02 AM
Maybe some day you can fit in some of those other guns shown in the Sulaco's armory in Aliens.  :)

http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Aliens#Rifles (http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Aliens#Rifles)

Modified, of course, to fit in with the likes of the pulse rifles and smart guns.  I'd especially like to see that Lewis gun in some form.  It'd make a good alternative to the smart gun for "stand-up fights."

I'm still hoping to see that Pulse Rifle-ish shotgun!

https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.avpgalaxy.net%2Fgallery%2Falbums%2Fgames%2Favp2%2Fconcept09.jpg&hash=2e05784f1bdacfffcc0e5b7ddf65c892

Hell, I'd like to see a regular pulse rifle with a drum like that.  If a standard magazine can hold 95 rounds, imagine how many a drum can carry!
Title: Re: Dark Horse Comics Announces Aliens: Colonial Marines: Rising Threat!
Post by: Kimarhi on Jun 14, 2019, 11:57:03 PM
Quote from: Hudson on Jun 14, 2019, 09:48:15 PM
You're not wrong about being jealous of better gear. I was cleaning M16s with literal toothbrushes...in 2012!

We had m16a1s when I deployed to Ethiopia.  Since for whatever reason their government wouldn't allow us to bring our own automatic weapons, we had to use their old ones.

It was full auto though and I would walk around in a boonie cap and a LBV like it was Vietnam. 

Reserve component Army is like a purgatory between Marine corps and AD Army.  You might get new shit right away, we got the m4a1s months before Fort Campbell did, and you might still be getting ACU pattern gear issued to you years after OCP became the official pattern. 








Title: Re: Dark Horse Comics Announces Aliens: Colonial Marines: Rising Threat!
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Jun 15, 2019, 06:24:48 PM
Interesting.  Jumping on board thread.
Title: Re: Dark Horse Comics Announces Aliens: Colonial Marines: Rising Threat!
Post by: Local Trouble on Jun 15, 2019, 08:00:53 PM
Quote from: Kimarhi on Jun 14, 2019, 11:57:03 PMIt was full auto though and I would walk around in a boonie cap and a LBV like it was Vietnam.

Did you hear Fortunate Son on a loop the entire time?
Title: Re: Dark Horse Comics Announces Aliens: Colonial Marines: Rising Threat!
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Jun 15, 2019, 11:19:01 PM
So let me get this straight.  I am trying to piece this all together in my head canon in anticipation of the new game.  Alien: Echo leads to the new Aliens:  Colonial Marines series, which then leads into the new upcoming video game.  Does all this acknowledge Defiance / Isolation?  Is it part of the same new  Amanda Ripley canon chronology?
Title: Re: Dark Horse Comics Announces Aliens: Colonial Marines: Rising Threat!
Post by: SM on Jun 15, 2019, 11:22:22 PM
Different storyline.  Olivia is the protagonist from Echo and the CM comics, which will eventually tie in to the computer game.
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Post by: Kradan on Jun 15, 2019, 11:50:02 PM
I'm tired off CM stories. Just stop it. I love Aliens but please stop. To me it seems as they're just too scared to try new type of characters. No, we just throw some pulse rifles and kick xeno - asses and hooorah-hooorah! Colonial marines isn't all what Alien universe is about.
Title: Re: Dark Horse Comics Announces Aliens: Colonial Marines: Rising Threat!
Post by: 426Buddy on Jun 16, 2019, 12:10:03 AM
There are many Alien comics and novels that do not focus on the marines.
Title: Re: Dark Horse Comics Announces Aliens: Colonial Marines: Rising Threat!
Post by: SM on Jun 16, 2019, 12:15:05 AM
It'd depend if Defiance counts as a 'Colonial Marines' story.  I'd say probably not, since it was just one marine - which would make the last Colonial Marines story the short A:CM tie-in.

Seven years ago.

QuoteTo me it seems as they're just too scared to try new type of characters.

This series features the main character from Echo.  A teenage lesbian.
Title: Re: Dark Horse Comics Announces Aliens: Colonial Marines: Rising Threat!
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Jun 16, 2019, 01:22:21 AM
I'd say the Colonial Marines are used sparingly enough.  It's not an issue really.
Title: Re: Dark Horse Comics Announces Aliens: Colonial Marines: Rising Threat!
Post by: Kimarhi on Jun 16, 2019, 03:27:57 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jun 15, 2019, 08:00:53 PM
Quote from: Kimarhi on Jun 14, 2019, 11:57:03 PMIt was full auto though and I would walk around in a boonie cap and a LBV like it was Vietnam.

Did you hear Fortunate Son on a loop the entire time?

Only for my fb timeline. 

The Garbage trailer for MGSV had dropped near the end of my deployment and that song Not your kind of people became my kind of mantra at the end of it.




Quote from: Kradan on Jun 15, 2019, 11:50:02 PM
I'm tired off CM stories. Just stop it. I love Aliens but please stop. To me it seems as they're just too scared to try new type of characters. No, we just throw some pulse rifles and kick xeno - asses and hooorah-hooorah! Colonial marines isn't all what Alien universe is about.


I just don't like it when they write everybody with the same voice.  I still feel like the same person now as I did when I got in.  I have more confidence, especially in leadership task and management because you are thrust into that role if you spend any time in at all, but for the most part my interest before and after are much the same as they were when I was a civilian.  But instead media in general portrays every military service member as being kind of super job oriented mission first guys who have no interest in anything besides getting the mission complete. 


The major issue was that in the old eu the writers at DH somehow missed the chance to have the ACM (OR THE ARMY) engage in close quarters the Aliens during the Earth War.   They could've followed a platoon of Marines/soldiers from the start of the outbreak to major engagements, to the retreat in space and they somehow missed that shit.  Like wtf.



Title: Re: Dark Horse Comics Announces Aliens: Colonial Marines: Rising Threat!
Post by: tyrannosaurusjones on Jun 16, 2019, 03:36:23 AM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Jun 15, 2019, 11:19:01 PM
So let me get this straight.  I am trying to piece this all together in my head canon in anticipation of the new game.  Alien: Echo leads to the new Aliens:  Colonial Marines series, which then leads into the new upcoming video game.  Does all this acknowledge Defiance / Isolation?  Is it part of the same new  Amanda Ripley canon chronology?

Does it need to?
Title: Re: Dark Horse Comics Announces Aliens: Colonial Marines: Rising Threat!
Post by: SM on Jun 16, 2019, 03:38:56 AM
QuoteThe major issue was that in the old eu the writers at DH somehow missed the chance to have the ACM (OR THE ARMY) engage in close quarters the Aliens during the Earth War.   They could've followed a platoon of Marines/soldiers from the start of the outbreak to major engagements, to the retreat in space and they somehow missed that shit.  Like wtf.

Countdown did something like that but on a very small scale.
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Post by: Kimarhi on Jun 16, 2019, 03:39:21 AM
Quote from: tyrannosaurusjones on Jun 14, 2019, 03:17:31 AM


I thought that's kinda what I did...(?) Defiance, all their gear was based on current real world marine gear with a few Aliens tweaks.



There is nothing wrong with the art, I don't want anybody thinking my non drawing ass is taking those kind of shots, and I do appreciate your efforts to at least outfit  the Marines in your drawings with some kind of kit, I suppose its the lack of a modern update on their overall appearance that I bring my complaints forward about.  Modern Rangers from the 75th look more advanced. 

The first guy that outfits his drawings with full body armor, different camo, new helmets (with a different tac screen) and an exo rig will be the main hero of the generation. 

Again its nothing wrong with the artwork.  And some of the ships and equipment have been updated in the new EU art, its just the marine profile itself.  It has been pretty much the same for thirty years of EU material. 
Title: Re: Dark Horse Comics Announces Aliens: Colonial Marines: Rising Threat!
Post by: Local Trouble on Jun 16, 2019, 03:40:34 AM
Quote from: tyrannosaurusjones on Jun 16, 2019, 03:36:23 AM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Jun 15, 2019, 11:19:01 PM
So let me get this straight.  I am trying to piece this all together in my head canon in anticipation of the new game.  Alien: Echo leads to the new Aliens:  Colonial Marines series, which then leads into the new upcoming video game.  Does all this acknowledge Defiance / Isolation?  Is it part of the same new  Amanda Ripley canon chronology?

Does it need to?

Fans tend to favor a coherent EU, yes.
Title: Re: Dark Horse Comics Announces Aliens: Colonial Marines: Rising Threat!
Post by: Kimarhi on Jun 16, 2019, 03:42:18 AM
Quote from: SM on Jun 16, 2019, 03:38:56 AM
QuoteThe major issue was that in the old eu the writers at DH somehow missed the chance to have the ACM (OR THE ARMY) engage in close quarters the Aliens during the Earth War.   They could've followed a platoon of Marines/soldiers from the start of the outbreak to major engagements, to the retreat in space and they somehow missed that shit.  Like wtf.

Countdown did something like that but on a very small scale.

Yeah, I'm thinking like a defiance sized arc with the squad going through deadlier and deadlier encounters with the Alien until they are forced to flee the earth.

Maybe could've had the end shot of the comic being the surviving soldiers/marines meeting General Spears or Dr Paul Church.  Out of the frying pan type deal. 
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Post by: SM on Jun 16, 2019, 05:19:34 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jun 16, 2019, 03:40:34 AM
Quote from: tyrannosaurusjones on Jun 16, 2019, 03:36:23 AM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Jun 15, 2019, 11:19:01 PM
So let me get this straight.  I am trying to piece this all together in my head canon in anticipation of the new game.  Alien: Echo leads to the new Aliens:  Colonial Marines series, which then leads into the new upcoming video game.  Does all this acknowledge Defiance / Isolation?  Is it part of the same new  Amanda Ripley canon chronology?

Does it need to?

Fans tend to favor a coherent EU, yes.

Separate stories don't need to acknowledge each other.
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Post by: Still Collating... on Jun 16, 2019, 10:08:46 AM
This. As long as they don't contradict each other, no need for references, focus on the story at hand.

They are definitely trying out a bunch of different "old" and "new" ideas now, and I'm glad we're getting this mix.

I for one am conflicted on the design of the marines. On the one hand, I love the original look, but on the other, it's so outdated. I think what Tristan did in Defiance and on this cover is great, of course. If a setting is chronologically close to Aliens, than keep the original armor, or just have a slightly different version. But anything that's further in the future, some variation on the familiar design, keeping the same core features while adding onto it, would be nice. I personally really liked what AVP2010 tried to do in that regard.

On the other hand, in this EU, we can always say - budget. There's a lot of marines, a lot a space to cover, so some, or most, get the cheap stuff. It works. but not the best you can get. Maybe introducing some elite squads could leave the door open for new armor and weapons.
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Post by: Perfect-Organism on Jun 16, 2019, 11:37:44 AM
Quote from: tyrannosaurusjones on Jun 16, 2019, 03:36:23 AM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Jun 15, 2019, 11:19:01 PM
So let me get this straight.  I am trying to piece this all together in my head canon in anticipation of the new game.  Alien: Echo leads to the new Aliens:  Colonial Marines series, which then leads into the new upcoming video game.  Does all this acknowledge Defiance / Isolation?  Is it part of the same new  Amanda Ripley canon chronology?

Does it need to?

Not in a direct sense.  I'm just curious to see if the series connects together along those lines.  I like to know the reading order.  Most importantly I want to know if the series contradict each other thereby casting one version out of canon.  That I hope will not be the case.  But they can definitely be isolated events.

Quote from: SM on Jun 16, 2019, 03:38:56 AM
QuoteThe major issue was that in the old eu the writers at DH somehow missed the chance to have the ACM (OR THE ARMY) engage in close quarters the Aliens during the Earth War.   They could've followed a platoon of Marines/soldiers from the start of the outbreak to major engagements, to the retreat in space and they somehow missed that shit.  Like wtf.

Countdown did something like that but on a very small scale.

Is this series available somewhere online to read through?  It was free originally as part of the DH newsletter so it's a fair question I think.
Title: Re: Dark Horse Comics Announces Aliens: Colonial Marines: Rising Threat!
Post by: SM on Jun 16, 2019, 12:00:29 PM
QuoteI'm just curious to see if the series connects together along those lines.

The only thing this will connect to right away is Echo due to the protagonist.
Title: Re: Dark Horse Comics Announces Aliens: Colonial Marines: Rising Threat!
Post by: Local Trouble on Jun 16, 2019, 04:41:00 PM
I don't get the "they look outdated" thing about the marines.  Everything in the first two movies looks retro now, but that's part of their charm.  Why change it?

Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Jun 16, 2019, 11:37:44 AMNot in a direct sense.  I'm just curious to see if the series connects together along those lines.  I like to know the reading order.  Most importantly I want to know if the series contradict each other thereby casting one version out of canon.  That I hope will not be the case.  But they can definitely be isolated events.

This.
Title: Re: Dark Horse Comics Announces Aliens: Colonial Marines: Rising Threat!
Post by: Kimarhi on Jun 16, 2019, 04:58:36 PM
And yet here come the prequels with mercenaries in better kit than soldiers fifty years ahead of them in the original trilogy.  Just because it does doesn't look updated doesn't mean the EU shoudn't try to at least modify the look. 
Title: Re: Dark Horse Comics Announces Aliens: Colonial Marines: Rising Threat!
Post by: Local Trouble on Jun 16, 2019, 05:07:45 PM
That's a big part of why I hate prequels in general.
Title: Re: Dark Horse Comics Announces Aliens: Colonial Marines: Rising Threat!
Post by: 426Buddy on Jun 16, 2019, 07:57:33 PM
Hate leads to something something
Title: Re: Dark Horse Comics Announces Aliens: Colonial Marines: Rising Threat!
Post by: Kimarhi on Jun 16, 2019, 11:28:21 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jun 16, 2019, 05:07:45 PM
That's a big part of why I hate prequels in general.

I'm not totally against them, I thought a soft reboot of Hadley's Hope invasion to reboot the franchise for a new generation would've been okay, but I'm not for them either. 


Explaining the Alien origins and SJ etc could've just as easily been told in a sequel and one could argue that a little fan mystique in which things were not actually explained are better. 
Title: Re: Dark Horse Comics Announces Aliens: Colonial Marines: Rising Threat!
Post by: tyrannosaurusjones on Jun 17, 2019, 02:18:17 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jun 16, 2019, 03:40:34 AM

Fans tend to favor a coherent EU, yes.

I just favour good stories.
Title: Re: Dark Horse Comics Announces Aliens: Colonial Marines: Rising Threat!
Post by: Local Trouble on Jun 17, 2019, 02:31:16 AM
They don't have to be mutually exclusive though.
Title: Re: Dark Horse Comics Announces Aliens: Colonial Marines: Rising Threat!
Post by: 426Buddy on Jun 17, 2019, 03:02:46 AM
I don't think we need every new comic to be part of the Amanda/Zula plot. They are producing a lot of tie ins with them at the moment anyway so as long as they don't contradict eachother I see no issue with Rising Threat not mentioning the Zula or Amanda storylines.

Personally though I really only care about how good the story is as well. I'm really not all that concerned about an EU that is all interconnected like the MCU or the Star Wars EU. It makes the universe seem even smaller than the prequels have already made it.
Title: Re: Dark Horse Comics Announces Aliens: Colonial Marines: Rising Threat!
Post by: Kimarhi on Jun 17, 2019, 03:22:27 AM
Quote from: tyrannosaurusjones on Jun 17, 2019, 02:18:17 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jun 16, 2019, 03:40:34 AM

Fans tend to favor a coherent EU, yes.

I just favour good stories.

In all honesty the Alien eu continuity has been a question mark for a long time, so this is the best approach.
Title: Re: Dark Horse Comics Announces Aliens: Colonial Marines: Rising Threat!
Post by: SM on Jun 17, 2019, 03:27:46 AM
There's been a concerted effort in recent years to make it more cohesive.
Title: Re: Dark Horse Comics Announces Aliens: Colonial Marines: Rising Threat!
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Jun 17, 2019, 03:29:43 AM
Quote from: tyrannosaurusjones on Jun 17, 2019, 02:18:17 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jun 16, 2019, 03:40:34 AM

Fans tend to favor a coherent EU, yes.

I just favour good stories.

Aye, this. I am more than happy to take a good EU story on it's own terms, but I'm not going to bother with a bad one just because it works in continuity.

The Aliens comics that I've enjoyed have been a mixture of old and new EU, and I really don't see a difference between them in my mind.
Title: Re: Dark Horse Comics Announces Aliens: Colonial Marines: Rising Threat!
Post by: SM on Jun 17, 2019, 03:31:43 AM
There's arguments to be made either way for stand alone stories and ones that form part of a larger 'saga'.
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Post by: Xenomrph on Jun 17, 2019, 04:18:09 AM
Quote from: SM on Jun 17, 2019, 03:31:43 AM
There's arguments to be made either way for stand alone stories and ones that form part of a larger 'saga'.
Such "sagas" work best when you've got a laid out plan ahead of time with a person spearheading the project who can keep all the moving parts in line in a way that each piece serves itself as much as it serves the larger whole - examples include the MCU, The Warhammer40k Horus Heresy series, and the Star Wars New Jedi Order series. If you don't go into it with a game plan then you end up with things like the Star Wars sequel trilogy, or the DCEU, or any number of failed "shared universes" over the years where things either don't feel cohesive and part of the same narrative, or you have pieces that feel like they exist solely to set up other pieces rather than being good stories in their own right.
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Post by: The Old One on Jun 17, 2019, 04:28:24 AM
Yeah true, but we don't know if the case is that the new era is the former or the latter yet.

We've had the excellent standalone Isolation, The Cold Forge and Dead Orbit but also, a lot of stuff
that appears to be forming a larger narrative; such as Defiance, Blackout, Resistance, Rescue, Echo and Rising Threat.
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Post by: Still Collating... on Jun 17, 2019, 10:36:12 AM
The standalone stories have been better IMO (with Defiance at the top for larger narratives), so I'm all up for the single isolated incidents again. I like when things go epic, but no everything has to be that way. Keep it diversified. They don't have to be super interconnected, they don't have to mention each other, but if they really heavily contradict the things that the previous installments set up, than that does spoil the fun for me.

I like where things are going, as of now, not sure if that was the best direction to explore, but I'm certainly having fun with what we're getting. I find it promising they're focusing on other characters now. Leaving Amanda after Rescue is a wise thing to do, cause of oversaturation, we're still getting an Isolation novel to add to that.
So, curious to see where things go. I enjoy the novels more than some of the comics, because the art can really kill the mood for me (Gibson's A3), so I'd just like to keep seeing those. We'll see how the Isolation one and Zula's novel turns out.
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Post by: Nostromo on Jun 27, 2019, 05:31:40 PM
Still can't believe we're getting a new 8 issue Aliens Colonial Marines series...wow.
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Post by: Whiskeybrewer on Jun 28, 2019, 11:03:51 AM
Quote from: Nostromo on Jun 27, 2019, 05:31:40 PM
Still can't believe we're getting a new 8 issue Aliens Colonial Marines series...wow.

Then we get to Issue #5 and it says #5 of #6 lol
Title: Re: Dark Horse Comics Announces Aliens: Colonial Marines: Rising Threat!
Post by: 426Buddy on Jun 28, 2019, 11:53:46 AM
The ACM curse could strike again.
Title: Re: Dark Horse Comics Announces Aliens: Colonial Marines: Rising Threat!
Post by: JokersWarPig on Jun 28, 2019, 12:26:24 PM
Quote from: 426Buddy on Jun 28, 2019, 11:53:46 AM
The ACM curse could strike again.

So the worst we can get as a bad/incoherent story but with the Aliens/Colonial Marine aesthetic done perfectly.
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Post by: 426Buddy on Jun 28, 2019, 12:34:19 PM
Quote from: JokersWarPig on Jun 28, 2019, 12:26:24 PM
Quote from: 426Buddy on Jun 28, 2019, 11:53:46 AM
The ACM curse could strike again.

So the worst we can get as a bad/incoherent story but with the Aliens/Colonial Marine aesthetic done perfectly.

It could be like the game or the original ACM comic series which was terrible also.

So the worst we could get is a terrible product like the game or a terrible product like the comic series.

The comic series had some cool cover art though.

(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/avp/images/8/85/Aliens-Colonial_Marines_7.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20150401144951)
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Post by: JokersWarPig on Jun 28, 2019, 01:01:56 PM
The original comic series wasn't that bad, the cover with the marine falling out of the drop ship into the aliens below was always my favorite. It lost me when the weird hybrid guys with weird ears showed up, I think that was issue 8 or 9, I think they were also psychic? It got weird quick and out of nowhere if I remember right.

If the stuff they've been putting out recently is anything to go by though I'm not worried about this new run being bad.
Title: Re: Dark Horse Comics Announces Aliens: Colonial Marines: Rising Threat!
Post by: 426Buddy on Jun 28, 2019, 01:10:25 PM
Yeah I was mostly just attempting humor since anything with a ACM title has been poor at best.

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Post by: SM on Jun 28, 2019, 01:12:34 PM
They set that hybrid stuff up in the first issue.

And yet it still got very weird in the last couple of issues.

The cover of the first issue with the Alien with the USCM grenade in its mouth was always my favourite.
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Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jun 28, 2019, 01:36:08 PM
I re-read the comic series recently and it was so much better than I remembered. Still a bit corny but had a lot going for it. Really wanted to see more of the Bug Men!
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Post by: 426Buddy on Jun 28, 2019, 01:53:24 PM
It was one of the few series I missed out on as a kid. when I started collecting again as an adult I was super excited to finally get my hands on it. But reading it through I found it hard to follow and I thought the bug men would be better in something more like star trek, really out of place in the Alien universe. Overall all it felt confusing, disjointed  and super cheesy. Also the ever changing interior art ranged from mediocre to bad. The only thing I really enjoyed was the cover art. I'm usually pretty firgiving of the comics overall but this and DotS get no love from me.
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Post by: Kimarhi on Jun 28, 2019, 04:41:48 PM
The bug men are essentially the guy in prometheus
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Post by: Perfect-Organism on Jun 28, 2019, 06:55:33 PM
You mean that Fifield guy?

ACM Comics series was my jumping off point.  I walked away from the series for many years after that happened.  It was really Prometheus that brought me back.
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Post by: Kimarhi on Jun 29, 2019, 02:08:38 AM
It's pretty much the same concept.  Royal jelly turns people into bugmen in A:CM comic series, black goo turns people into weird alien hybrids in Prometheus.


I like what ACM attempted to do, but it was still in that 80's and 90's era mentality of comicbooks in that the story felt very much like a comic book of that era, instead of just a story told through the comic medium. 

Same kind of crazy shit happened in DOTS.  Where there are ideas I liked (survivors hanging over the dwindling earth populace in sky cities while Aliens massacred everyone below, while a Predator hunts a woman for reasons she cant remember (plus the art for the initial issues was really good) but it devolved into pure 90's comic mess at the end. 

Both concepts would be better realized in today's era of comic writing, because todays era fits the movies better.  Back then the movies kind of fit the comic formula.

Or maybe DH just couldn't go full Alien back then.

Even though the seemed to be able to with Labyrinth. 

If I look at ACM and DOTS as just comics it bothers me a lot less than it does if I keep referencing the source material in my head.  Just like if I look at Resurrection as a standalone movie. 


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Post by: SM on Jun 29, 2019, 02:45:59 AM
I don't think it's so much about referencing the source material, so much as both series had an interesting premise that never had a satisfying pay off.
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Post by: Perfect-Organism on Jun 29, 2019, 03:34:30 AM
Um, What's DOTS?
Title: Re: Dark Horse Comics Announces Aliens: Colonial Marines: Rising Threat!
Post by: SM on Jun 29, 2019, 03:35:38 AM
Alien/ Predator : Deadliest of the Species by Chris Claremont

(no vs. in the title)
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Post by: Local Trouble on Jun 29, 2019, 06:09:41 AM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Jun 29, 2019, 03:34:30 AM
Um, What's DOTS?

There are people who've read it several times that still aren't sure.
Title: Re: Dark Horse Comics Announces Aliens: Colonial Marines: Rising Threat!
Post by: Whiskeybrewer on Jun 29, 2019, 08:21:40 AM
Colonial Marines was the first comic series i read for Aliens.

I did really enjoy it, but they just rushed the ending because the creative team kept changing.

And yes the Cover of the guy falling towards the Aliens below is one of the best Alien covers out there. Hell we even got that Awesome Herk Mondo one as well
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Post by: SM on Jun 29, 2019, 08:25:00 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jun 29, 2019, 06:09:41 AM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Jun 29, 2019, 03:34:30 AM
Um, What's DOTS?

There are people who've read it several times that still aren't sure.

Also this.
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Post by: Kimarhi on Jun 29, 2019, 06:54:46 PM
Quote from: SM on Jun 29, 2019, 02:45:59 AM
I don't think it's so much about referencing the source material, so much as both series had an interesting premise that never had a satisfying pay off.

To me about three quarters if the way through it stopped feeling like an the Alien series.  I didn't mean referencing any one thing but I guess the overall feel or vibe the movies produce. 
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Post by: SM on Jun 29, 2019, 08:46:23 PM
Yeah that's probably about right.

DOTS fell off that cliff much earlier though I reckon.
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Post by: Kimarhi on Jun 29, 2019, 08:55:11 PM
It's probably been six or seven years since I read either.

I haven't watched a movie since whenever covenant came out.
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Post by: Perfect-Organism on Jun 30, 2019, 02:54:13 AM
Rereading Colonial Marines now.  I just... somehow... need to...
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Post by: Ultramorph on Jun 30, 2019, 04:44:24 PM
Colonial Marines held together pretty well until that issue where they blew Beliveau away right when he seemed about to explain what was going on. The Bug Men are strangely cool as a villain, though.
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Post by: Kimarhi on Jun 30, 2019, 07:27:13 PM
the concept of them don't really bother me. Some kind of  heavy metal alien hybrid developed to protect someones interest against Colonial Marine interference would've been pure comic book bliss, but alas, such a thing was not meant to be.


I honesty can't remember anything they do after their intro, but it's been a decade probably since I read it.
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Post by: HuDaFuK on Jun 30, 2019, 08:10:25 PM
Isn't that the series where Kleist is somehow alive despite quite clearly being killed in Rogue?
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Post by: SM on Jun 30, 2019, 08:33:59 PM
I didn't find it that clear.

What was very clear was that arm grew back.  ;D
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Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 01, 2019, 02:30:51 AM
Quote from: SM on Jun 29, 2019, 08:25:00 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jun 29, 2019, 06:09:41 AM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Jun 29, 2019, 03:34:30 AM
Um, What's DOTS?

There are people who've read it several times that still aren't sure.

Also this.

It may simply be impenetrable without the copious use of psychedelics.
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Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jul 02, 2019, 08:07:29 AM
Alternate cover for #1.

(https://d2lzb5v10mb0lj.cloudfront.net/covers/600/30/3005640.jpg)

I actually quite like it (I don't normally like the variant covers). I wonder if this is Liv?
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Post by: The Old One on Jul 02, 2019, 03:50:51 PM
I love the look of the Marine, don't love the look of the Alien.
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Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 02, 2019, 11:31:26 PM
Is that Denis Beauvais?
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Post by: SM on Jul 02, 2019, 11:36:48 PM
Doesn't look like his work.

I do dig the face shot off the Alien though.
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Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 03, 2019, 12:02:53 AM
I'd swear in court that's Beauvais' work.  Everything from the aliens themselves to the marine's hair just smacks of his style to me.
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Post by: 426Buddy on Jul 03, 2019, 12:05:23 AM
Really? I didn't get a Den Beauvais vibe myself.
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Post by: Kimarhi on Jul 03, 2019, 01:35:56 AM
It isn't.

Unless he draws way different than he used to. 
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Post by: SM on Jul 03, 2019, 01:50:14 AM
Yep. 

The face looks a bit Tony Akins.

EDI - DH would seem to indicate via Twitter that it's by Simon Gough.
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Post by: Kimarhi on Jul 03, 2019, 02:01:34 AM
Denis and Plunkett used to be the two best artist in the Alien verse.


Dorman was pretty good too, but he hated to draw.
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Post by: SM on Jul 03, 2019, 02:06:43 AM
I think he only ever did single painted pieces.
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Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 03, 2019, 02:22:19 AM
Quote from: Kimarhi on Jul 03, 2019, 02:01:34 AM
Denis and Plunkett used to be the two best artist in the Alien verse.

What about Sam Kieth?
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Post by: 426Buddy on Jul 03, 2019, 02:29:38 AM
Not a bad artist

Just all wrong for the Alien universe.
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Post by: SM on Jul 03, 2019, 02:48:28 AM
The wrongest.
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Post by: Kimarhi on Jul 03, 2019, 03:15:40 AM
but even his art is part of that era of lore and thus when I see a single image of his earth war comic my heart pangs with nostalgia
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Post by: SM on Jul 03, 2019, 03:44:59 AM
My heart pangs with 'how did we go from Beauvais to this???'

I lost interest in Earth War so quickly with that art.

And Verheiden isn't off the hook either.  His writing was very sub-par on that run too.
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Post by: Kimarhi on Jul 03, 2019, 04:11:11 AM
I think Shaw got her interstellar navigation coordinates from the same place that Ripley did. 
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Post by: SM on Jul 03, 2019, 04:38:00 AM
Shaw didn't get them emailed to her brain - and only her brain and no one else much closer to the source of the transmission.
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Post by: Kimarhi on Jul 03, 2019, 04:46:56 AM
I still take that over her getting them from a cave painting. 
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Post by: SM on Jul 03, 2019, 05:29:21 AM
I'll take everything in Prometheus, over Earth War.
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Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jul 03, 2019, 07:54:04 AM
Quote from: 426Buddy on Jul 03, 2019, 02:29:38 AM
Not a bad artist

Just all wrong for the Alien universe.

I still stand by him for Inhuman Condition.
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Post by: Frosty Venom on Jul 03, 2019, 08:24:25 AM
Quote from: SM on Jul 03, 2019, 05:29:21 AM
I'll take everything in Prometheus, over Earth War.

???
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Post by: SiL on Jul 03, 2019, 09:00:56 AM
What's the confusion?

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Post by: The Cruentus on Jul 03, 2019, 10:41:32 AM
Quote from: SM on Jul 03, 2019, 03:44:59 AM
And Verheiden isn't off the hook either.  His writing was very sub-par on that run too.

If it helps, the character that was created as a reference to him gets a nasty fate that is worse than death.  :laugh:
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Post by: SM on Jul 03, 2019, 11:17:08 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jul 03, 2019, 07:54:04 AM
Quote from: 426Buddy on Jul 03, 2019, 02:29:38 AM
Not a bad artist

Just all wrong for the Alien universe.

I still stand by him for Inhuman Condition.

The androids in that were okay, but everything else - ugh...
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Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jul 03, 2019, 11:19:28 AM
I just really think his style works for the whole twisted feel of the story, once you get to that part of the story.
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Post by: SM on Jul 03, 2019, 11:27:43 AM
Decent story in Inhuman Condition.

The artwork however, is just all wrong.  I appreciate different artists takes on the Alien.  Some are really good; some not so good.  Kieth's are the only ones I can think of that are just bad.  I'm sure his work is very deliberate, but it looks sloppy.
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Post by: SiL on Jul 03, 2019, 12:36:24 PM
I prefer Kelley Jones' similar-but-somehow-not-shit style in Hive/Harvest.

I've said before I would hate to see those line-backer Aliens on screen, but it was one of the earliest comics I read and I have such a soft spot for the art. It's so f**king moody.
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Post by: Kradan on Jul 03, 2019, 01:05:19 PM
Agreed.

I still haven't read Inhuman Condition but cover of it intrigues me as hell.
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Post by: The Old One on Jul 03, 2019, 03:08:10 PM
It's a weird one.
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Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 03, 2019, 03:53:55 PM
Quote from: SM on Jul 03, 2019, 03:44:59 AM
And Verheiden isn't off the hook either.  His writing was very sub-par on that run too.

I wouldn't downplay the effect that Ripley's reintroduction had on the story either.  It was doing just fine without her up to that point.
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Post by: SM on Jul 03, 2019, 08:10:15 PM
Everyone wanted to Ripley to return.  And her return didn't really harm anything.  The overall story to conclude the arc wasn't bad, but its execution was mediocre at best.
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Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 03, 2019, 08:36:08 PM
It also gave us praetorians.
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Post by: Kimarhi on Jul 04, 2019, 12:27:36 AM
They just magic eight balled the Aliens away.




Lets have all the Aliens run to one place where there just happens to be nukes going off at.




YEYEYEYEYE
Title: Re: Dark Horse Comics Announces Aliens: Colonial Marines: Rising Threat!
Post by: SM on Jul 04, 2019, 12:31:53 AM
The nukes went off everywhere.  ???
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Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 04, 2019, 12:42:51 AM
Sam Kieth's art didn't make that clear.
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Post by: SM on Jul 04, 2019, 12:49:26 AM
...

There was a double page spread from space showing splosions.
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Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 04, 2019, 12:53:02 AM
I know, but I still don't think it was very clear.
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Post by: Kimarhi on Jul 04, 2019, 01:22:39 AM
Quote from: SM on Jul 04, 2019, 12:31:53 AM
The nukes went off everywhere.  ???

Hhhm.  I thought they were originally and only went off like in one mountain ranger or some shit actually.



That is even more foolish if true, earth would be useless. 
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Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 04, 2019, 01:32:33 AM
This is that of which he speaks...

Spoiler
(https://i.imgur.com/OjsrJKq.jpg)
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Title: Re: Dark Horse Comics Announces Aliens: Colonial Marines: Rising Threat!
Post by: SM on Jul 04, 2019, 01:43:35 AM
Quote from: Kimarhi on Jul 04, 2019, 01:22:39 AM
Quote from: SM on Jul 04, 2019, 12:31:53 AM
The nukes went off everywhere.  ???

Hhhm.  I thought they were originally and only went off like in one mountain ranger or some shit actually.



That is even more foolish if true, earth would be useless.

I think they changed it for the novel that they only went off in that one mountain where the Queen Mother had called all the Alien to.
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Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 04, 2019, 02:12:03 AM
Was the novel more coherent than the comic?
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Post by: 426Buddy on Jul 04, 2019, 02:26:18 AM
Didnt the Space Jockey start trying to terraform the earth back to health so he could take over?
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Post by: SM on Jul 04, 2019, 02:30:04 AM
The Jockey started cooling the climate to terraform Earth for itself before Ripley set the nukes off.

The novel spent a long time faffing around on Gateway from memory before they went to the Homeworld.
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Post by: Perfect-Organism on Jul 04, 2019, 02:41:22 AM
Man it would be great if DH gave another crack at a story with a similar premise to the original Aliens comics but it was about engineers and it didn't go down the ridiculous path it did.
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Post by: The Old One on Jul 04, 2019, 02:48:41 AM
Agreed, but it's gone ridiculous even recently, The Rage War and the Titan Alien Novel Trilogy for instance.
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Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 04, 2019, 03:33:02 AM
They can't help themselves.
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Post by: SM on Jul 04, 2019, 03:35:22 AM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Jul 04, 2019, 02:41:22 AM
Man it would be great if DH gave another crack at a story with a similar premise to the original Aliens comics but it was about engineers and it didn't go down the ridiculous path it did.

The premise being they go the Alien home world, meanwhile they already invade Earth and the planet is evacuated.  They then find a way to wipe them out.

Which bit was ridiculous?
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Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 04, 2019, 03:42:25 AM
When you describe it like that, it sure sounds a lot better than the story Alien 3 gave us.
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Post by: The Old One on Jul 04, 2019, 03:44:16 AM
The truth is more nuanced.
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Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 04, 2019, 03:46:11 AM
The truth?
Title: Re: Dark Horse Comics Announces Aliens: Colonial Marines: Rising Threat!
Post by: SM on Jul 04, 2019, 04:14:50 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jul 04, 2019, 03:42:25 AM
When you describe it like that, it sure sounds a lot better than the story Alien 3 gave us.

As a premise it is a lot better than the story Alien 3 gave us.
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Post by: The Old One on Jul 04, 2019, 04:32:18 AM
Cliché invasion storyline,
ontop of the hive but larger repeat and a benign homeworld ontop.
Yeah, great, that's what I want.
(The last sentence is sarcasm fyi)
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Post by: Perfect-Organism on Jul 04, 2019, 04:35:16 AM
Quote from: SM on Jul 04, 2019, 03:35:22 AM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Jul 04, 2019, 02:41:22 AM
Man it would be great if DH gave another crack at a story with a similar premise to the original Aliens comics but it was about engineers and it didn't go down the ridiculous path it did.

The premise being they go the Alien home world, meanwhile they already invade Earth and the planet is evacuated.  They then find a way to wipe them out.

Which bit was ridiculous?

The idea of an Alien queen mother calling all her children and then getting blown up.  To what end would she call all her children?  Ridiculous.

I could also do without the idea of Aliens giving people nightmares via telepathy.  Then again it could be interesting if done well.

Overall, the basic underpinnings of Verheiden's story arc are still the best sequel to Aliens I've had the chance to experience.  I've grown to really like Alien 3, and I'm really enjoying the new Gibson audio drama, but Verheiden's series still takes the cake in terms of a natural, compelling progression.
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Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 04, 2019, 04:48:46 AM
Quote from: The Old One on Jul 04, 2019, 04:32:18 AM
Cliché invasion storyline,
ontop of Aliens repeat, ontop of Aliens bu larger and a benign homeworld ontop.
Yeah, great, that's what I want.
(The last sentence is sarcasm fyi)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FrlOPl4-HL4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FrlOPl4-HL4)

So much wasted potential.
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Post by: The Old One on Jul 04, 2019, 04:55:30 AM
If the pop culture whirlpool around Aliens to today proves anything to me, it's I really prefer the Alien³ we got over reinforcing the "X but larger" obsession this franchise has.
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Post by: SM on Jul 04, 2019, 04:58:43 AM
Quote
Overall, the basic underpinnings of Verheiden's story arc are still the best sequel to Aliens I've had the chance to experience. 

Basic underpinnings = premise.
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Post by: Kimarhi on Jul 04, 2019, 05:02:49 AM
Well, that is actually part of the problem I say.


The bigger/better thing has only ever happened in the comics, the Aliens only actual win has been Hadley's Hope on screen, and even that was short lived.


If you never actually make the Aliens threatening on a grand scale then they become just giant space bugs because.............that is all they have been shown to be.

You need the Aliens to take over the earth or AT LEAST a large colony world just to remind/show people they are capable of doing so.  The Alien itself has essentially become Jason/Freddy in space.  They show up, kill some randos, and get stopped again until they are reactivated for the sequel.  There is no actual progression with them as a menace. 

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Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 04, 2019, 05:04:23 AM
Indeed.  Alien 3 was a complete regression.
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Post by: The Old One on Jul 04, 2019, 05:10:27 AM
Because if the invasion scenario is followed through, it's also over as a menace.

Because it doesn't get any larger and you undermine Alien's effectiveness by expanding it to a spectrum most can't empathize with.

Alien is intimate and only works as a threat of personal invasion, not as world invasion. From my perspective anyway.
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Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jul 04, 2019, 07:53:28 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jul 04, 2019, 02:12:03 AM
Was the novel more coherent than the comic?

Very much so. But it unfortunately dropped the Space Jockey storyline completely and that's just left hanging in the novel-verse.

Quote from: The Old One on Jul 04, 2019, 02:48:41 AM
Agreed, but it's gone ridiculous even recently, The Rage War and the Titan Alien Novel Trilogy for instance.

Personally, I disagree here. That original trilogy had those Fox mandated things that they suffered from, but otherwise, I found them to be pretty solid and engaging with a lot going for them.
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Post by: HuDaFuK on Jul 04, 2019, 07:59:26 AM
I'm still not entirely convinced it would even be possible for the Aliens to overcome the entire planet. Even in Aliens the script had to majorly nerf all the Marines' equipment to make them a threat (no ammo, dropship and all heavy weapons gone etc.)

Always thought the comic storyline would've played out a lot more believably if our own desperation to end the infestation had triggered a war that wiped out most of the population for them. Say someone tries bomb the infestation in another country in a panic, and it just snowballs.

As it was in the comics it always struck me as silly and over-the-top, to be honest. Certainly not the sequel I have any interest in seeing on screen.

Quote from: The Old One on Jul 04, 2019, 02:48:41 AMAgreed, but it's gone ridiculous even recently, The Rage War and the Titan Alien Novel Trilogy for instance.

Valid point about the Rage War, but it was so far in the future after everything else I can give it a pass. That and the fact I thoroughly enjoyed those novels. I definitely prefer their brand of over-the-top to the original comic trilogy's.
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Post by: SM on Jul 04, 2019, 11:06:49 AM
The thing in the Book 1 comics is infrastructure and society breaks down (not that it had far to fall).  The Aliens just overtook them to quickly for the military to respond.  By the time they knew what they were dealing with it was too late.  If the military were able to prepare and didn't worry about civilian casualties or infrastructure - they'd be able defeat the Aliens more easily.

The marines had smart guns and a shot gun in Aliens.  They still would've gotten pwned in the hive - maybe not quite as badly, but Dietrich and Apone were armed and it didn't make any difference.

Crowe and Wierzbowski might've had a better chance since there would've been no ammo bag to explode.
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Post by: SiL on Jul 04, 2019, 11:31:05 AM
The long gestation period of the Aliens, coupled with fast domestic transport, allowed the Aliens to spread before anyone even knew they were there. Then they ran and hid, spread out in sewer networks and abandoned places, making it harder to find all of the small pockets of hives popping up.

I thought the comic did it fine.
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Post by: Still Collating... on Jul 04, 2019, 11:53:03 AM
What SiL said.

Quote from: Kimarhi on Jul 04, 2019, 05:02:49 AM
Well, that is actually part of the problem I say.


The bigger/better thing has only ever happened in the comics, the Aliens only actual win has been Hadley's Hope on screen, and even that was short lived.


If you never actually make the Aliens threatening on a grand scale then they become just giant space bugs because.............that is all they have been shown to be.

You need the Aliens to take over the earth or AT LEAST a large colony world just to remind/show people they are capable of doing so.  The Alien itself has essentially become Jason/Freddy in space.  They show up, kill some randos, and get stopped again until they are reactivated for the sequel.  There is no actual progression with them as a menace.

This. I think they should start with a detailed and long survivor story about a very large colony/space station/city that got infested. I believe the aliens can be shown as a mass that overwhelms but just as often show few aliens being horrifically creepy, lethal and cunning. It's not impossible to marry the two approaches, they are perfectly compatible IMO just depending on context.

I enjoy Book 1's Earth invasion segments above all else in the book. Especially how it was expanded upon with just a few pages in the novel. I do want to see more of that. Invasion on a mass scale. That to me shows the threat and full potential of these creatures. That's also scary if done right, not just a haunted house in space.
(I will not comment how ridiculous it was that in Book 3 all of the aliens gathered at the same place and got nuked, the comic version was better with at least the method of alien annihilation, but no method guaranties every alien will be wiped out once they take over Earth.)

And yeah, I also really liked both Titan trilogies. Full of problems, but I especially enjoyed the Rage War. Again, the Rage were a mix of meh and ridiculous, and the aliens weren't treated as a real threat always, especially hated that they needed to be augmented with breathing gear and suicide exploding nano things, like they don't explode from gunfire already, but the world building was so nice to see!

IMO, Titan has been killing it with these novels so far.
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Post by: Kimarhi on Jul 04, 2019, 03:32:50 PM
I too thought that the invasion aspects of outbreak were fine.  For the most part they simply avoided the military until the very end of the story and instead chowed down on the civilian populace.



The Alien doesn't have morals or politics guiding it.  It simply chooses the best target of opportunity which at an invasion scale would be civilians.  And in the future, if current trends hold, the civilian population will greatly outnumber the military one.  The USA has one of the biggest standing armed forces in the world. 

And they just comprise less than 1 percent of the US population.    That is a whole lot of soft targets to go after. 


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Post by: Perfect-Organism on Jul 04, 2019, 04:51:37 PM
Quote from: SM on Jul 04, 2019, 04:58:43 AM
Quote
Overall, the basic underpinnings of Verheiden's story arc are still the best sequel to Aliens I've had the chance to experience. 

Basic underpinnings = premise.

Yes
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Post by: SM on Jul 04, 2019, 08:30:04 PM
QuoteThat is a whole lot of soft targets to go after. 

Unless they repeal the second amendment - maybe not completely soft.  ;D
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Post by: Whiskeybrewer on Jul 04, 2019, 09:00:27 PM
Didnt the Special "The Alien" say that the Space Jockey cut the lines to some bombs or neutured the Nukes?
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Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 04, 2019, 09:02:39 PM
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Post by: SM on Jul 04, 2019, 09:26:21 PM
Quote from: Whiskeybrewer on Jul 04, 2019, 09:00:27 PM
Didnt the Special "The Alien" say that the Space Jockey cut the lines to some bombs or neutured the Nukes?

Yeah I think they ended just being really big explosions minus the radioactive fall out.
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Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 04, 2019, 09:46:56 PM
Quote from: SM on Jul 04, 2019, 09:26:21 PM
Quote from: Whiskeybrewer on Jul 04, 2019, 09:00:27 PM
Didnt the Special "The Alien" say that the Space Jockey cut the lines to some bombs or neutured the Nukes?

Yeah I think they ended just being really big explosions minus the radioactive fall out.

Indeed...

Spoiler
(https://i.imgur.com/Zzju4J5.jpg)
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Come to think of it, isn't that a giant retcon?
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Post by: SM on Jul 04, 2019, 10:17:27 PM
That's certainly how it comes across.
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Post by: Perfect-Organism on Jul 04, 2019, 10:58:12 PM
I see the Verheiden series sort of like I see Gibson's Alien 3 now.  One more draft and it would have been perfect.  I mean, if that whole scene where the woman morphs into an Alien were more along the lines of Fifield, I wouldn't have any problems with it.  But that's a revision that should have taken place.  In the same way, many aspects of the Verheiden series could be fine-tuned to work with the current prequels and the core ideas of the relationship between Hicks, Newt and Ripley, as well as the earth infestation and the home world discovery, still would work the best.
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Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 04, 2019, 11:05:04 PM
Indeeded.
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Post by: SM on Jul 04, 2019, 11:10:23 PM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Jul 04, 2019, 10:58:12 PM
I see the Verheiden series sort of like I see Gibson's Alien 3 now.  One more draft and it would have been perfect.  I mean, if that whole scene where the woman morphs into an Alien were more along the lines of Fifield, I wouldn't have any problems with it.  But that's a revision that should have taken place.  In the same way, many aspects of the Verheiden series could be fine-tuned to work with the current prequels and the core ideas of the relationship between Hicks, Newt and Ripley, as well as the earth infestation and the home world discovery, still would work the best.

I think the comics needed more than one draft.  There's the whole concept of both Ripley and Hicks abandoning Newt to an asylum, that's not satisfactorily resolved.  Hicks didn't even visit her once in 10 years.  That said, the first two series are among the best of any comic series, and the story of Earth War is adequate enough.

All told I do prefer the Alien 3 we got, but it's far from what everyone wanted.
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Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 05, 2019, 12:19:03 AM
It's worth noting that Alien 3 didn't prevent us from getting that.  It ended Ripley's story, but left the universe rife with possibilities.
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Post by: 426Buddy on Jul 05, 2019, 12:41:28 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jul 04, 2019, 09:02:39 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lcZAJAV29us

That was an enjoyable video, thanks for posting. :)
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Post by: Perfect-Organism on Jul 05, 2019, 12:59:33 AM
Yah, great video.  Thanks for that.
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Post by: The Old One on Jul 09, 2019, 12:35:00 AM
Evidently; the anti-Alien Theory plagiarism campaign isn't effective.
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Post by: Perfect-Organism on Jul 09, 2019, 12:51:59 AM
What is this campaign you speak of?  I really don't know.
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Post by: 426Buddy on Jul 09, 2019, 01:01:25 AM
Heh i didnt even realize that was Alien Theory, shame on me.
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Post by: SM on Jul 09, 2019, 01:02:05 AM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Jul 09, 2019, 12:51:59 AM
What is this campaign you speak of?  I really don't know.

Videos where he's big on reading other peoples work and small on attribution.
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Post by: Perfect-Organism on Jul 09, 2019, 01:22:27 AM
I see.  That's not cool.  ...And I did enjoy those.

That being said, I found it dismaying that Mark Verheiden was not credited in the Titan reprint of the original Dark Horse novel trilogy.  That was his work, transcribed into novel format.  Odd.
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Post by: SM on Jul 09, 2019, 01:33:24 AM
Was Mark Verheiden, Mark Nelson, Denis Beauvais or Sam Kieth credited on the videos?
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Post by: 426Buddy on Jul 09, 2019, 01:53:35 AM
Cant remember, but I doubt it.

Didn't expect Local to post one of their videos, i'll have to be more vigilant in the future
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Post by: Perfect-Organism on Jul 09, 2019, 02:51:00 AM
Quote from: SM on Jul 09, 2019, 01:33:24 AM
Was Mark Verheiden, Mark Nelson, Denis Beauvais or Sam Kieth credited on the videos?

I haven't seen all the videos yet, truth be told.  Anyway, it's definitely not cool to not give these creators their due credit.  Their original work was absolutely amazing, mostly.  Mostly.
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Post by: SM on Jul 09, 2019, 04:12:34 AM
Even Kieth should be credited.
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Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 09, 2019, 06:02:59 AM
He even pronounced Brisbane as "brizz-bayn."
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Post by: SM on Jul 09, 2019, 06:09:36 AM
We feed offenders to the crocs for that..
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Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 09, 2019, 06:25:43 AM
Quote from: AlienTheory on Feb 05, 2019, 09:10:01 PM
Should that occasion arise I'll be sure to.
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Post by: The Cruentus on Jul 09, 2019, 03:06:23 PM
Occasion arose plenty of times, didn't see any attribution. There is a Xenopedia channel now anyway so soon people will know where the information comes from and who plagiarized it.

So far, its Isolation, Rescue and Rising threat, any other books I need to remind myself to get?  :laugh:
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Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 09, 2019, 07:29:11 PM
Quote from: The Cruentus on Jul 09, 2019, 03:06:23 PM
Occasion arose plenty of times, didn't see any attribution. There is a Xenopedia channel now anyway so soon people will know where the information comes from and who plagiarized it.

I can't find it.  Got a link?
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Post by: The Cruentus on Jul 09, 2019, 07:35:08 PM
If you mean the channel, there is currently no content on there mind you. I'll try and get it for you now.
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Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 09, 2019, 07:55:09 PM
You should make a splash with a video about plagiarism and name names.  It's not as if you didn't give him every opportunity to change.
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Post by: The Cruentus on Jul 09, 2019, 07:58:08 PM
I am trying to think up a good starter video, problem is my mic is rubbish. I guess I could do some introductionn but it will be terrible. lol I will see what I can do. Here is channel link by the way. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXdQMu5j_-a6xkejMglG1uw/
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Post by: 426Buddy on Jul 13, 2019, 01:28:12 AM
I just re-read Earth War (in the giant hardcover that has Nightmare Asylum too) and its amazing how silly and bad it is.

Just terrible.
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Post by: Vrastal on Jul 14, 2019, 02:07:14 AM
I would love for fox to do an audiobook of the female war trilogy. It has its problems but its some of the most enjoyable Expanded universe books
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Post by: Kradan on Jul 14, 2019, 10:25:16 AM
That's why it's good to be Russian-speech fan. There're audiobook versions of initial trilogy recorded by one good Russian fellow named Sergey Puhov ;D
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Post by: The Old One on Jul 14, 2019, 03:48:07 PM
I don't see them audio-booking/audio-dramatizing/recording the older stories.
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Post by: Still Collating... on Jul 14, 2019, 06:17:23 PM
Certainly not soon if ever cause they got there hands full if they keep doing the growing catalog of new Titan entries.
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Post by: Perfect-Organism on Jul 14, 2019, 09:36:03 PM
Give it time.  Eventually they will figure out that these were the best stories.  Having an earth invasion is the ultimate fulfilment of the promise of alien.  It's what the series is all about really.
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Post by: The Old One on Jul 14, 2019, 09:48:14 PM
No, it isn't. The best stories, or the promise of Alien.
Alien is intimate. The Cold Forge is the best novel, and you've got contenders for best Alien comic series such as Labyrinth, AVP and Dead Orbit. But The original series isn't amongst them.
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Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 14, 2019, 10:54:57 PM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Jul 14, 2019, 09:36:03 PM
Give it time.  Eventually they will figure out that these were the best stories.  Having an earth invasion is the ultimate fulfilment of the promise of alien.  It's what the series is all about really.

It's what the fans have always wanted.
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Post by: Samhain13 on Jul 14, 2019, 10:59:52 PM
We only had one attempt at an Earth Alien Invasion scenario and it was so long ago. Wouldn't hurt to try another since that Aliens trilogy wasn't the best.

I say do it on a game. Set it quite further into the future, post-Earth alien invasion survival game. An AVP game in that setting would be great, its has been mostly colony LV-whatever in the previous ones, so I would something different.
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Post by: The1PerfectOrganism on Jul 14, 2019, 11:03:00 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jul 14, 2019, 10:54:56 PM
It's what the fans have always wanted.

F*cking barf.

I'm not opposed to the idea on the whole,
but the original execution and inclusion of the Nuclear Ripley family is eh...
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Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 14, 2019, 11:12:10 PM
Quote from: Samhain13 on Jul 14, 2019, 10:59:52 PM
We only had one attempt at an Earth Alien Invasion scenario and it was so long ago. Wouldn't hurt to try another since that Aliens trilogy wasn't the best.

I say do it on a game. Set it quite further into the future, post-Earth alien invasion survival game. An AVP game in that setting would be great, its has been mostly colony LV-whatever in the previous ones, so I would something different.

How about a Bethesda RPG?
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Post by: Perfect-Organism on Jul 14, 2019, 11:47:54 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jul 14, 2019, 10:54:57 PM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Jul 14, 2019, 09:36:03 PM
Give it time.  Eventually they will figure out that these were the best stories.  Having an earth invasion is the ultimate fulfilment of the promise of alien.  It's what the series is all about really.

It's what the fans have always wanted.

Totally
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Post by: The1PerfectOrganism on Jul 14, 2019, 11:51:26 PM
Only it's not, judging by my and others objections.
Unless you're just being a passive aggressive asshole and pulling the "real fan/majority of fans" card.
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Post by: Perfect-Organism on Jul 15, 2019, 12:00:24 AM
No, I'm just remembering how many printings that series went through in it's hey day and how popular it was.  Yes it has faults but the basic premise is still the most compelling of the Aliens comics published to date IMO.

Then again, I wouldn't put it past me to be a passive-aggressive asshole.
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Post by: The1PerfectOrganism on Jul 15, 2019, 12:03:02 AM
I think you're waxing nostalgic about the days of yore and you're remembering it as more of a phenomenon than it was. Potential for the scenario or not.
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Post by: Perfect-Organism on Jul 15, 2019, 12:07:24 AM
Nah, I really think it was a great series, with a sizeable following.  I do also recognize that it went sideways with the Earth War series.  But the foundation is there for something epic.
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Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 15, 2019, 12:21:12 AM
Quote from: SM on Jul 04, 2019, 04:14:50 AM
As a premise it is a lot better than the story Alien 3 gave us.
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Post by: SM on Jul 15, 2019, 12:25:29 AM
I think overall the trilogy works well, despite a number of stumbles in the last instalment.
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Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 15, 2019, 12:32:56 AM
I wonder if Fox still thinks such a movie would be too expensive to produce.
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Post by: Samhain13 on Jul 15, 2019, 12:33:26 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jul 14, 2019, 11:12:10 PM
Quote from: Samhain13 on Jul 14, 2019, 10:59:52 PM
We only had one attempt at an Earth Alien Invasion scenario and it was so long ago. Wouldn't hurt to try another since that Aliens trilogy wasn't the best.

I say do it on a game. Set it quite further into the future, post-Earth alien invasion survival game. An AVP game in that setting would be great, its has been mostly colony LV-whatever in the previous ones, so I would something different.

How about a Bethesda RPG?

I can dig that.
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Post by: SM on Jul 15, 2019, 12:42:36 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jul 15, 2019, 12:32:56 AM
I wonder if Fox still thinks such a movie would be too expensive to produce.

It'd be cheaper these days probably in terms of the scale of the story.  Not sure Weaver would be interested though.
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Post by: Perfect-Organism on Jul 15, 2019, 01:46:39 AM
Really?  Is there any indication that she ever read the series?  Maybe its the fact that she's just not in it for the first 2 / 3?
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Post by: SM on Jul 15, 2019, 01:55:10 AM
No, but based on the stuff she likes and stuff she doesn't, I don't think it'd be the direction she'd like to take Ripley.
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Post by: Perfect-Organism on Jul 15, 2019, 02:00:11 AM
I can totally see her not wanting to play a secondary role, and she definitely had a secondary role in the comics.
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Post by: SM on Jul 15, 2019, 02:15:24 AM
She had no role in the first two, but was effectively the co-lead with Newt in Earth War (not miles away from Resurrection), while Hicks got relegated.
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Post by: Perfect-Organism on Jul 15, 2019, 02:25:55 AM
What makes Ripley's role secondary in Earth War, figuratively anyway, is that it was such a mediocre series that it comes across as a footnote to the previous 2 series.  If you look at the 3 series as one volume, you really get the sense that Ripley's role was tacked on, and the best material came before her arrival.
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Post by: SM on Jul 15, 2019, 02:55:21 AM
She's the lead because she drives the plot of going to get the Queen Mother and nuking her and ending the Earth infestation, which is the whole point of that series.
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Post by: Kimarhi on Jul 15, 2019, 04:31:42 AM
Quote from: Erik Lehnsherr on Jul 15, 2019, 12:03:02 AM
I think you're waxing nostalgic about the days of yore and you're remembering it as more of a phenomenon than it was. Potential for the scenario or not.

It's still being reprinted 30 something years later.
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Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 15, 2019, 04:57:51 AM
Not to mention retconned with different names just so it could co-exist with Alien 3.
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Post by: The1PerfectOrganism on Jul 15, 2019, 06:09:12 AM
Lots of stuff is being reprinted 30 years later, Bethesda sucks and the real installment we got is great, I definitely prefer it.
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Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 15, 2019, 06:53:47 AM
An Earth War scenario is to fans as Brawndo is to plants.  This is known.
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Post by: The1PerfectOrganism on Jul 15, 2019, 07:04:28 AM
I'm alright without it.
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Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jul 15, 2019, 07:51:34 AM
Yeah, I think it'd be a stretch to say the Earth infestation is some universally hated story. I know a lot of fans who did dig that arc and there's no denying it was those initial series, and the demand for them that proved to a lot of companies that tie-ins could be successful and good.

Would I like to see it again? I'm honestly not sure. I'd certainly love to see a larger, more established colony get taken over. It's just that any Earth invasion would once again bump up against Resurrection. Unless Fox just decides to finally be rid of it...
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Post by: The1PerfectOrganism on Jul 15, 2019, 07:55:25 AM
My point is it isn't universally-
Loved or reviled.
And after Resurrection's always an option.
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Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jul 15, 2019, 08:00:04 AM
I'd say it's far and away more liked far more than it is disliked. Yes, Earth War/Hive itself is more disliked than it is liked, but most people dig Book 1 and 2.
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Post by: HuDaFuK on Jul 15, 2019, 08:46:16 AM
Quote from: Erik Lehnsherr on Jul 15, 2019, 07:55:25 AMAnd after Resurrection's always an option.

If they ever want to follow on from the Rage War, Weaver's World was still getting hammered by Aliens at the conclusion of that.

As for the lauded original trilogy - after years of listening to people rave about them, when I finally got around to reading the original trilogy novels, I was amazed by how lacklustre they were.
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Post by: The1PerfectOrganism on Jul 15, 2019, 09:00:24 AM
I don't want anything to follow on from The Rage War.
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Post by: SM on Jul 15, 2019, 09:47:55 AM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jul 15, 2019, 08:46:16 AM
Quote from: Erik Lehnsherr on Jul 15, 2019, 07:55:25 AMAnd after Resurrection's always an option.

If they ever want to follow on from the Rage War, Weaver's World was still getting hammered by Aliens at the conclusion of that.

As for the lauded original trilogy - after years of listening to people rave about them, when I finally got around to reading the original trilogy novels, I was amazed by how lacklustre they were.

It's generally better with the art.
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Post by: Nostromo on Jul 22, 2019, 03:41:12 PM
Aliens: Colonial Marines Volume 1 TPB is ready for pre-order (Release is April 21, 2020)

https://www.amazon.ca/Aliens-Colonial-Marines-Brian-Wood/dp/1506711227/ref=sr_1_3?crid=QU0E5EY5HWEU&keywords=aliens+colonial+marines&qid=1563809576&rnid=927726&s=books&sprefix=aliens+colo%2Caps%2C133&sr=1-3

https://www.amazon.com/Aliens-Colonial-Marines-Brian-Wood/dp/1506711227/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=Aliens%3A+Colonial+Marines+Volume+1&qid=1563809778&s=books&sr=1-1

https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B07VD1VJPV/ref=sr_1_3?keywords=Aliens%3A+Colonial+Marines+Volume+1&qid=1563809908&s=gateway&sr=8-3

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Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jul 25, 2019, 11:46:39 AM
http://www.freaksugar.com/brian-wood-werther-delledera-discuss-aliens-colonial-marines-rising-threat/

Pretty interesting interview. Some details on the general plot of the series, some talk about working on the tie-in angle of it.

Covers for issue 2 are out: https://www.newsarama.com/46239-dark-horse-comics-october-2019-solicitations.html

(https://img.purch.com/h/1400/aHR0cDovL3d3dy5uZXdzYXJhbWEuY29tL2ltYWdlcy9pLzAwMC8yNjEvMTM3L29yaWdpbmFsL0FMQ01SVF9pMl9WYXJpYW50X0ZDX0ZOTC5qcGc/MTU2MzkxOTUwOA==)
(https://img.purch.com/h/1400/aHR0cDovL3d3dy5uZXdzYXJhbWEuY29tL2ltYWdlcy9pLzAwMC8yNjEvMTM2L29yaWdpbmFsL0FMQ01SVF9pMl9GQ19GTkwuanBnPzE1NjM5MTk1MDY=)
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Post by: HuDaFuK on Jul 25, 2019, 09:14:06 PM
Thanks, I've been looking for a hi-res version of that Tristan wall-of-f*cked to make a phone background out of.
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Post by: The Kurgan on Jul 25, 2019, 10:13:42 PM
Tristan's stuff is A+ as usual.

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Post by: razeak on Aug 06, 2019, 11:55:29 PM
Two things, didn't know Alien theory was plagiarising. I've only watched a few videos. That's an interesting development.

The first series was pretty hot when it released. I enjoyed the first story quite a bit. I've probably reread that on 20 times. Earth War was pretty disappointing to me. It had amazing covers though.
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Post by: Kimarhi on Aug 07, 2019, 04:14:44 AM
Pretty much the same.

Earth War I remember finally finding and being like f**k yeah, and then opening and being like what the hell?

They've slightly grown on me.  I have no idea why.  Earth War should be in the bin with Resurrection and Prometheus, but it isn't for me. 

I'm not even sure how my own brain works sometimes. 
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Post by: Corporal Hicks on Aug 22, 2019, 08:14:47 AM
November's solicitations are out but I can't see the frigging covers:  https://www.bleedingcool.com/2019/08/21/dennis-culver-justin-greenwood-crone-dark-horse-comics-november-2019-solicitations/

Synopsis -

Spoiler
Given the lucky break of finding a mobile water drill rig, Olivia and the marines make their way through the alien-infested Katanga refinery toward the Xenomorphs' nest. Yet how long can their luck last when faced with the onslaught of the perfect killing machine?
[close]

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Post by: Whiskeybrewer on Aug 22, 2019, 12:12:38 PM
Oh now that is sweet
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Post by: Xiggz456 on Aug 22, 2019, 08:58:48 PM
Gorgeous!
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Post by: Kimarhi on Aug 23, 2019, 01:07:44 AM
Tristan gonna fuk around and be best all time drawer of Alienz. 
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Post by: Whiskeybrewer on Aug 23, 2019, 11:31:18 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jul 25, 2019, 11:46:39 AM

(https://img.purch.com/h/1400/aHR0cDovL3d3dy5uZXdzYXJhbWEuY29tL2ltYWdlcy9pLzAwMC8yNjEvMTM2L29yaWdpbmFsL0FMQ01SVF9pMl9GQ19GTkwuanBnPzE1NjM5MTk1MDY=)

This one makes me think of what Little Vasquez saw in the first Colonial Marines series
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Post by: Whos_Nick on Aug 30, 2019, 11:28:15 PM
Dark Horse has just cancelled this book following more allegations of sexual misconduct against Brian Wood

https://twitter.com/comicsbeat/status/1167573067024850944
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Post by: SM on Aug 30, 2019, 11:30:56 PM
Whoa.  That's huge.
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Post by: Whos_Nick on Aug 30, 2019, 11:43:03 PM
I now regret interviewing him for my site and don't know how I feel about even finishing Rescue
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Post by: Xiggz456 on Aug 31, 2019, 12:09:24 AM
Well that kinda sucks and he's a POS but I was already less than enthused that he was writing Rising Threat to begin with. Dark Horse should hire Mira Grant to take his place. She already writes Spider-Gwen and she essentially created Olivia so it seems like perfect fit for her.
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Post by: 426Buddy on Aug 31, 2019, 12:33:44 AM
Thats messed up and unexpected.  :o

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Post by: Samhain13 on Aug 31, 2019, 12:42:11 AM
I knew the ACM name was cursed. First Randy now this guy.
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Post by: 426Buddy on Aug 31, 2019, 12:50:54 AM
Quote from: 426Buddy on Jun 28, 2019, 11:53:46 AM
The ACM curse could strike again.

:-\
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Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Aug 31, 2019, 12:51:18 AM
So glad I fell off of buying his books, and even happier now to see him gone.

But like, this has apparently been going on with him for years so why the hell was he even hired in the first place ???

Bravo Dark Horse, who had to have known about this all along but didn't bother to do anything until it was in the public eye again. Him getting fired should have happened years ago.

EDIT: So looking into this more and there's been stuff out about him publically since at least 2013? :o
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Post by: 426Buddy on Aug 31, 2019, 01:17:46 AM
Yeah, I didnt hear about any of it until now.
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Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Aug 31, 2019, 01:31:13 AM
So everyone who tries to create something profitable from Aliens - Colonial Marines (may its name be forever cursed) will be fired, end up in jail or dead ???

That sounds f**king creepy actually  :o

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Post by: Kimarhi on Aug 31, 2019, 01:54:40 AM
They should've just done a series on the Army FFS. 

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Post by: SM on Aug 31, 2019, 04:59:08 AM
Quote from: Xiggz456 on Aug 31, 2019, 12:09:24 AM
Well that kinda sucks and he's a POS but I was already less than enthused that he was writing Rising Threat to begin with. Dark Horse should hire Mira Grant to take his place. She already writes Spider-Gwen and she essentially created Olivia so it seems like perfect fit for her.

Rising Threat was sounding better than Rescue as far as I've read.

A page one re-write of the same basic storyline from someone else could work.  I've only read Echo and Grant's Predator short, but there's no reason she couldn't do it.  Apart from Echo, it's been a mighty long time we've had a woman writing for Alien's female protagonists.  Criminal Enterprise was 2008.  And the only comic I can think of that had a woman writing was Xenogenesis (or co-written in that case).  Kelly Sue DeConnick wrote F & S Omega.  That's not a great record.

And I don't think it should be cheapened by it being about A:CM being cursed.  It's about a guy being an arsehole.
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Post by: Nukiemorph on Aug 31, 2019, 05:29:41 AM
I just hope Rescue has an ending.  I'll be frustrated if it has a similar ending to Resistance with the intent of resolving in Rising Threat and we end up with a dead end.

(Nothing against Dark Horse's decision.)
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Post by: SM on Aug 31, 2019, 05:38:36 AM
Rescue isn't directly linked to Rising Threat.
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Post by: Nukiemorph on Aug 31, 2019, 05:45:04 AM
That's good.
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Post by: Corporal Hicks on Aug 31, 2019, 07:39:01 AM
Quote from: Xiggz456 on Aug 31, 2019, 12:09:24 AM
Well that kinda sucks and he's a POS but I was already less than enthused that he was writing Rising Threat to begin with. Dark Horse should hire Mira Grant to take his place. She already writes Spider-Gwen and she essentially created Olivia so it seems like perfect fit for her.

That is actually a perfect suggestion! It sure sounded like Seanan was disappointed she didn't get to do anything with Olivia's future, so I bet she'd be up for that! I love her Spider-Gwen - or Ghost-Spider as the title is now called - so I'd be all over that!

Really disappointed to hear about Brian Wood's behaviour.
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Post by: Drukathi on Aug 31, 2019, 08:45:04 AM
So, firing a person = the canceled comic? ???

When a bird pooping on my car - I buy a new car. :)

So much work and inspiration and all for nothing. Because of another person. Why not delay the comic or declare (search) new writers?
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Post by: Nukiemorph on Aug 31, 2019, 09:23:46 AM
All of the art was made for Brian's story, so I imagine rewriting would require mostly new art - if not all new art.

I'll be (pleasantly) surprised if they go through the effort to rework this project.  I imagine they can pepper the important information from this story somewhere into the game anyway.
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Post by: SM on Aug 31, 2019, 10:34:53 AM
Quote
So much work and inspiration and all for nothing. Because of another person.

Because of a shithead who sexually harasses women.
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Post by: Nostromo on Aug 31, 2019, 11:42:57 AM
Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
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Post by: Whiskeybrewer on Aug 31, 2019, 12:30:26 PM
Holy Crap
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Post by: Nostromo on Aug 31, 2019, 01:02:32 PM
Damn and I ordered the TPB. Think it will come? Lol
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Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Aug 31, 2019, 01:14:18 PM
https://twitter.com/tyrannojones/status/1167690381443719170

Wonder what cleared his schedule?

Here's hoping Jones gets paired with a writer that isnt a piece of shit moving forward. Maybe a more talented one, too (I haven't really been a fan of the stories Wood was writing).
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Post by: SiL on Aug 31, 2019, 02:38:38 PM
The AvPG headline makes it read like the author is the one being sexually harassed.  ???

Should be be "against", not toward.
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Post by: Kradan on Aug 31, 2019, 06:26:26 PM
^^^ Indeed
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Post by: 426Buddy on Aug 31, 2019, 06:42:45 PM
Been reading up on the accusations and there is certainly a pattern to his terrible behavior. Its too bad this didnt recieve attention a long time ago.
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Post by: Hed-Veta on Aug 31, 2019, 07:19:33 PM
Can someone explain me what happend with such things like "law"? "presumption of innocence"? "Trail"?
If some anonymous claims Mira Grant harassed young girls, what will you do? Satisfied with her boycott? Or will you demand evidence and a legal trial?
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Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Aug 31, 2019, 07:21:52 PM
There's evidence. Images of emails. Dating back to 2013, when this all should have been taken care of.

The real problem here is that the guy has been getting work in the industry for the last six years at all.
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Post by: Wweyland on Aug 31, 2019, 07:34:38 PM
I guess the Rising Threat was actually him
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Post by: Hed-Veta on Aug 31, 2019, 07:34:56 PM
"Images of emails"? From 2013? Ok. I have image that Tobey Maguire starring in "Joker".

>The real problem here is that the guy has been getting work in the industry for the last six years at all.

No, the problem is: where the hell was this woman for the last six years at all?

Was there an investigation? Had the necessary evidence been presented to the court? Was there a trial? Was there a conviction? No. No. No.
Title: Re: Dark Horse Comics Announces Aliens: Colonial Marin...
Post by: Nostromo on Aug 31, 2019, 07:39:46 PM
Quote from: Wweyland on Aug 31, 2019, 07:34:38 PM
I guess the Rising Threat was actually him

Oh man, lol.

Seriously though, Dark Horse, please make Tristan Jones a permanent Alien artist/writer for the next 10 years at least.....still my favorite artist, his covers and interior art just really stand the f**k out with anything Aliens.
Title: Re: Dark Horse Comics Announces Aliens: Colonial Marines: Rising Threat!
Post by: The Kurgan on Aug 31, 2019, 07:43:31 PM
Quote from: Hed-Veta on Aug 31, 2019, 07:34:56 PM
"Images of emails"? From 2013? Ok. I have image that Tobey Maguire starring in "Joker".

>The real problem here is that the guy has been getting work in the industry for the last six years at all.

No, the problem is: where the hell was this woman for the last six years at all?

Was there an investigation? Had the necessary evidence been presented to the court? Was there a trial? Was there a conviction? No. No. No.

It's not a criminal proceeding he is getting fired not put into jail.

If he disagrees with his termination by DH he can present the case  to a court like everybody else who feels unlawfully terminated.



Title: Re: Dark Horse Comics Announces Aliens: Colonial Marines: Rising Threat!
Post by: Hed-Veta on Aug 31, 2019, 07:56:17 PM
Quote from: The Kurgan on Aug 31, 2019, 07:43:31 PM
Quote from: Hed-Veta on Aug 31, 2019, 07:34:56 PM
"Images of emails"? From 2013? Ok. I have image that Tobey Maguire starring in "Joker".

>The real problem here is that the guy has been getting work in the industry for the last six years at all.

No, the problem is: where the hell was this woman for the last six years at all?

Was there an investigation? Had the necessary evidence been presented to the court? Was there a trial? Was there a conviction? No. No. No.

It's not a criminal proceeding he is getting fired not put into jail.

If he disagrees with his termination by DH he can present the case  to a court like everybody else who feels unlawfully terminated.

So he has to go to court and PROVE that he didn't molest anyone. Why shouldn't those who accuse him of it prove anything? And why don't they go to the courts like all "everybody else" whose rights have been violated? And why didn't they Wake up until six years later? And then they'll drop all the charges again?
Title: Re: Dark Horse Comics Announces Aliens: Colonial Marines: Rising Threat!
Post by: The Kurgan on Aug 31, 2019, 08:06:24 PM
So everytime somebody wants to fire an employee they have to get the Ok from a court?

The court judges if his right has been violated. That's how it works.

I don't know why it took six years, same as you.
But it's not something out of the ordinary that there is such a timeframe between the deed and the accusation.
Title: Re: Dark Horse Comics Announces Aliens: Colonial Marines: Rising Threat!
Post by: Kimarhi on Aug 31, 2019, 08:20:38 PM
Pretty sure its two different instances with two different people. 
Title: Re: Dark Horse Comics Announces Aliens: Colonial Marines: Rising Threat!
Post by: Xiggz456 on Aug 31, 2019, 08:29:17 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Aug 31, 2019, 07:39:01 AM
Quote from: Xiggz456 on Aug 31, 2019, 12:09:24 AM
Well that kinda sucks and he's a POS but I was already less than enthused that he was writing Rising Threat to begin with. Dark Horse should hire Mira Grant to take his place. She already writes Spider-Gwen and she essentially created Olivia so it seems like perfect fit for her.

That is actually a perfect suggestion! It sure sounded like Seanan was disappointed she didn't get to do anything with Olivia's future, so I bet she'd be up for that! I love her Spider-Gwen - or Ghost-Spider as the title is now called - so I'd be all over that!

Really disappointed to hear about Brian Wood's behaviour.

Indeed. I emailed Dark Horse about it. Hopefully they consider it. By the way great podcast/interview with Seanan. When I heard she did comics I was actually a bit perturbed that Dark Horse didn't offer it to her in the first place.
Title: Re: Dark Horse Comics Announces Aliens: Colonial Marines: Rising Threat!
Post by: JokersWarPig on Aug 31, 2019, 08:43:47 PM
well. crap.
Title: Re: Dark Horse Comics Announces Aliens: Colonial Marines: Rising Threat!
Post by: Still Collating... on Aug 31, 2019, 09:44:50 PM
This is quite a horrible event. Was not expecting this, but it's the least they could do.
Title: Re: Dark Horse Comics Announces Aliens: Colonial Marines: Rising Threat!
Post by: Xenomorphine on Aug 31, 2019, 10:41:04 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Aug 31, 2019, 01:14:18 PM
https://twitter.com/tyrannojones/status/1167690381443719170

Wonder what cleared his schedule?

Simple lack of work, probably! Even leading artists probably find it a dicey business.
Title: Re: Dark Horse Comics Announces Aliens: Colonial Marines: Rising Threat!
Post by: SM on Aug 31, 2019, 10:58:02 PM
Quote from: Hed-Veta on Aug 31, 2019, 07:56:17 PM
Quote from: The Kurgan on Aug 31, 2019, 07:43:31 PM
Quote from: Hed-Veta on Aug 31, 2019, 07:34:56 PM
"Images of emails"? From 2013? Ok. I have image that Tobey Maguire starring in "Joker".

>The real problem here is that the guy has been getting work in the industry for the last six years at all.

No, the problem is: where the hell was this woman for the last six years at all?

Was there an investigation? Had the necessary evidence been presented to the court? Was there a trial? Was there a conviction? No. No. No.

It's not a criminal proceeding he is getting fired not put into jail.

If he disagrees with his termination by DH he can present the case  to a court like everybody else who feels unlawfully terminated.

So he has to go to court and PROVE that he didn't molest anyone. Why shouldn't those who accuse him of it prove anything? And why don't they go to the courts like all "everybody else" whose rights have been violated? And why didn't they Wake up until six years later? And then they'll drop all the charges again?

Which charges?

Are you certain this ignorant hill is one you want to die on?
Title: Re: Dark Horse Comics Announces Aliens: Colonial Marin...
Post by: The Old One on Aug 31, 2019, 11:00:14 PM
Oh well, I never approved of the narrative from Defiance into Resistance into Rescue, regardless of being early drawn in by Tristan Jones' art- the story never matched the quality of the rendering.
Title: Re: Dark Horse Comics Announces Aliens: Colonial Marines: Rising Threat!
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Aug 31, 2019, 11:26:11 PM
Quote from: Hed-Veta on Aug 31, 2019, 07:34:56 PM
"Images of emails"? From 2013? Ok. I have image that Tobey Maguire starring in "Joker".

>The real problem here is that the guy has been getting work in the industry for the last six years at all.

No, the problem is: where the hell was this woman for the last six years at all?

Was there an investigation? Had the necessary evidence been presented to the court? Was there a trial? Was there a conviction? No. No. No.

You are aware that the 2013 accusations are from a different woman, right?
Title: Re: Dark Horse Comics Announces Aliens: Colonial Marines: Rising Threat!
Post by: Ultramorph on Sep 01, 2019, 05:42:17 AM
What a nasty situation. Can't say they aren't aware of this back during the Defiance days, but this is a horrible situation.
Title: Re: Dark Horse Comics Announces Aliens: Colonial Marin...
Post by: Nostromo on Sep 01, 2019, 12:33:53 PM
Anyone else found Wood's writing and stories kinda rushed and short...hope a better writer shows up.

Just received Aliens Resistance TPB, same ole fast writing small storyline and the art is definitely not Tristan Jones caliber.
Title: Re: Dark Horse Comics Announces Aliens: Colonial Marin...
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Sep 01, 2019, 12:52:07 PM
Quote from: Nostromo on Sep 01, 2019, 12:33:53 PM
Anyone else found Wood's writing and stories kinda rushed and short...hope a better writer shows up.

Yup, same. Hoping that moving forward Jones is brought on for more Aliens projects, and that they're of a higher caliber of writing.
Title: Re: Dark Horse Comics Announces Aliens: Colonial Marines: Rising Threat!
Post by: Hed-Veta on Sep 01, 2019, 01:13:45 PM
Had everyone heard that Alec Holowka had committed suicide because of such fake accusations that had never been proven? How many people must die for such situations to be properly investigated? If Brian is really guilty , he should be punished. Oh yeah... exactly. I had forgotten that the punishment for a misdemeanor and public censure must follow BEFORE the Commission of a misdemeanor has been proved. Or should it be the other way around?
It's like a Fallout 76 - buy it now and we'll finish it later. Here - we will accuse you, you will lose your job, and your work (and not only yours, by the way) will fly into the garbage, and we will prove our accusations later (and maybe we will not prove, especially if you commit suicide like Alec).
I'm not saying these girls are really lying. But given other precedents, this possibility should not be overlooked.
Bullying is basically bad. But MAY BE you should apply this AFTER the FACT of the presence of convincing evidence of deviant human behavior? Or instead of the presumption of innocence, do we now have the presumption of guilt?
Now on the Internet you can do and say anything. That's just Brian now it is necessary to PROVE that he is not guilty. Shouldn't it be the other way around?
Yes, there are screenshots of correspondence. But now a man with skills can put Tobey Maguire in a Infinity War.
Title: Re: Dark Horse Comics Announces Aliens: Colonial Marines: Rising Threat!
Post by: Ben Brown on Sep 01, 2019, 01:24:06 PM
Cancel culture.


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Title: Re: Dark Horse Comics Announces Aliens: Colonial Marines: Rising Threat!
Post by: The Kurgan on Sep 01, 2019, 01:41:13 PM
Quote from: Hed-Veta on Sep 01, 2019, 01:13:45 PM
Had everyone heard that Alec Holowka had committed suicide because of such fake accusations that had never been proven? How many people must die for such situations to be properly investigated? If Brian is really guilty , he should be punished. Oh yeah... exactly. I had forgotten that the punishment for a misdemeanor and public censure must follow BEFORE the Commission of a misdemeanor has been proved. Or should it be the other way around?
It's like a Fallout 76 - buy it now and we'll finish it later. Here - we will accuse you, you will lose your job, and your work (and not only yours, by the way) will fly into the garbage, and we will prove our accusations later (and maybe we will not prove, especially if you commit suicide like Alec).
I'm not saying these girls are really lying. But given other precedents, this possibility should not be overlooked.
Bullying is basically bad. But MAY BE you should apply this AFTER the FACT of the presence of convincing evidence of deviant human behavior? Or instead of the presumption of innocence, do we now have the presumption of guilt?
Now on the Internet you can do and say anything. That's just Brian now it is necessary to PROVE that he is not guilty. Shouldn't it be the other way around?
Yes, there are screenshots of correspondence. But now a man with skills can put Tobey Maguire in a Infinity War.

It is not a criminal proceeding before a criminal court. Nobody is getting punished in the legal sense, there are no preliminary proceedings etc. The dude is getting fired not put into jail.

You are confusing criminal charges with dismissal on grounds of conduct which is an entirely different animal.

DH believed the accusations and the correspondence was convincing evidence enough for them to fire him. They don't have to establish the same quality of evidence  as a prosecution department has to, and they can't, they don't have any authorization to investigate or have any specialized departments   etc, they are not the cops. Don't know what's so bad about the screenshots anyway. How is that no evidence? Sure it can theoretically be faked, but so can be theoretically any form of evidence. With that logic nothing is evidence enough.

If he finds his dismission wrongful, he can bring it before a civil court. There he can bring his evidence, DH brings their's, judge decides.

Title: Re: Dark Horse Comics Announces Aliens: Colonial Marines: Rising Threat!
Post by: Hed-Veta on Sep 01, 2019, 03:48:44 PM
Quote from: The Kurgan on Sep 01, 2019, 01:41:13 PM
Quote from: Hed-Veta on Sep 01, 2019, 01:13:45 PM
Had everyone heard that Alec Holowka had committed suicide because of such fake accusations that had never been proven? How many people must die for such situations to be properly investigated? If Brian is really guilty , he should be punished. Oh yeah... exactly. I had forgotten that the punishment for a misdemeanor and public censure must follow BEFORE the Commission of a misdemeanor has been proved. Or should it be the other way around?
It's like a Fallout 76 - buy it now and we'll finish it later. Here - we will accuse you, you will lose your job, and your work (and not only yours, by the way) will fly into the garbage, and we will prove our accusations later (and maybe we will not prove, especially if you commit suicide like Alec).
I'm not saying these girls are really lying. But given other precedents, this possibility should not be overlooked.
Bullying is basically bad. But MAY BE you should apply this AFTER the FACT of the presence of convincing evidence of deviant human behavior? Or instead of the presumption of innocence, do we now have the presumption of guilt?
Now on the Internet you can do and say anything. That's just Brian now it is necessary to PROVE that he is not guilty. Shouldn't it be the other way around?
Yes, there are screenshots of correspondence. But now a man with skills can put Tobey Maguire in a Infinity War.

It is not a criminal proceeding before a criminal court. Nobody is getting punished in the legal sense, there are no preliminary proceedings etc. The dude is getting fired not put into jail.

You are confusing criminal charges with dismissal on grounds of conduct which is an entirely different animal.

DH believed the accusations and the correspondence was convincing evidence enough for them to fire him. They don't have to establish the same quality of evidence  as a prosecution department has to, and they can't, they don't have any authorization to investigate or have any specialized departments   etc, they are not the cops. Don't know what's so bad about the screenshots anyway. How is that no evidence? Sure it can theoretically be faked, but so can be theoretically any form of evidence. With that logic nothing is evidence enough.

If he finds his dismission wrongful, he can bring it before a civil court. There he can bring his evidence, DH brings their's, judge decides.

I'm not saying he went to jail. I'm talking about the fact that people and DH are somehow too easy to put Brian in the shoes of the culprit. I'm not saying that Brian is now legally punished. But you must admit, losing your job and seeing dozens of people speak negatively about you in the comments is absolutely unpleasant. And dismissal can be considered a form of punishment. Not in a legal way.
I'm talking about people's attitudes. As soon as the news appeared on the network - all immediately began to call Brian all possible negative epithets. Why does NO one ask the question - " is it true?" "and may be worth investigating?" "what if it's all a lie?"
There was an article with accusations. Good. But why not try to understand the situation? Both the publisher and the people in the comments who are now pouring shit on Brian. I'm talking about that attitude. Alec Holowka experienced this attitude. It wasn't his fault. It's good to know it wasn't his fault. Except the man's dead. And if people at least tried to fully understand the situation-maybe the guy would be alive. But in the end he was driven to suicide.
Title: Re: Dark Horse Comics Announces Aliens: Colonial Marines: Rising Threat!
Post by: Naginata on Sep 01, 2019, 03:51:19 PM
To be clear, this isn't an isolated incident with Wood; there have been rumblings about his creepy behavior for years.
Title: Re: Dark Horse Comics Announces Aliens: Colonial Marines: Rising Threat!
Post by: Ultramorph on Sep 01, 2019, 03:52:23 PM
Wood got a pass after similar allegations came out a few years ago and he admitted it and apologized. DH's best interest is to cut ties now that new allegations have come forward. I don't find it difficult to believe he's abusive, it's happened many, many times in this industries. Look at Dark Horse's last EIC.
Title: Re: Dark Horse Comics Announces Aliens: Colonial Marines: Rising Threat!
Post by: The Kurgan on Sep 01, 2019, 04:19:10 PM
Quote from: Hed-Veta on Sep 01, 2019, 03:48:44 PM
Quote from: The Kurgan on Sep 01, 2019, 01:41:13 PM
Quote from: Hed-Veta on Sep 01, 2019, 01:13:45 PM
Had everyone heard that Alec Holowka had committed suicide because of such fake accusations that had never been proven? How many people must die for such situations to be properly investigated? If Brian is really guilty , he should be punished. Oh yeah... exactly. I had forgotten that the punishment for a misdemeanor and public censure must follow BEFORE the Commission of a misdemeanor has been proved. Or should it be the other way around?
It's like a Fallout 76 - buy it now and we'll finish it later. Here - we will accuse you, you will lose your job, and your work (and not only yours, by the way) will fly into the garbage, and we will prove our accusations later (and maybe we will not prove, especially if you commit suicide like Alec).
I'm not saying these girls are really lying. But given other precedents, this possibility should not be overlooked.
Bullying is basically bad. But MAY BE you should apply this AFTER the FACT of the presence of convincing evidence of deviant human behavior? Or instead of the presumption of innocence, do we now have the presumption of guilt?
Now on the Internet you can do and say anything. That's just Brian now it is necessary to PROVE that he is not guilty. Shouldn't it be the other way around?
Yes, there are screenshots of correspondence. But now a man with skills can put Tobey Maguire in a Infinity War.

It is not a criminal proceeding before a criminal court. Nobody is getting punished in the legal sense, there are no preliminary proceedings etc. The dude is getting fired not put into jail.

You are confusing criminal charges with dismissal on grounds of conduct which is an entirely different animal.

DH believed the accusations and the correspondence was convincing evidence enough for them to fire him. They don't have to establish the same quality of evidence  as a prosecution department has to, and they can't, they don't have any authorization to investigate or have any specialized departments   etc, they are not the cops. Don't know what's so bad about the screenshots anyway. How is that no evidence? Sure it can theoretically be faked, but so can be theoretically any form of evidence. With that logic nothing is evidence enough.

If he finds his dismission wrongful, he can bring it before a civil court. There he can bring his evidence, DH brings their's, judge decides.

I'm not saying he went to jail. I'm talking about the fact that people and DH are somehow too easy to put Brian in the shoes of the culprit. I'm not saying that Brian is now legally punished. But you must admit, losing your job and seeing dozens of people speak negatively about you in the comments is absolutely unpleasant. And dismissal can be considered a form of punishment. Not in a legal way.
I'm talking about people's attitudes. As soon as the news appeared on the network - all immediately began to call Brian all possible negative epithets. Why does NO one ask the question - " is it true?" "and may be worth investigating?" "what if it's all a lie?"
There was an article with accusations. Good. But why not try to understand the situation? Both the publisher and the people in the comments who are now pouring shit on Brian. I'm talking about that attitude. Alec Holowka experienced this attitude. It wasn't his fault. It's good to know it wasn't his fault. Except the man's dead. And if people at least tried to fully understand the situation-maybe the guy would be alive. But in the end he was driven to suicide.

People are always quick to kick when others are down, there is often prejudgment by the public, even if not legal punishment the effects on a life are servere following such allegations, all that is true.

But in this case you have the history, the mails, multiple victims, what would you accept as suitable evidence before DH  should act?

If this is not enough evidence, what is?

You can't really produce much more than that.

Even criminal convictions sometimes have as much or less evidence. You have few cases with 100 percent certainty most off the time.

On top of that he still has the possibility to bring it to court if he so desires.

So it's not all in DH's hands.

Title: Re: Dark Horse Comics Announces Aliens: Colonial Marines: Rising Threat!
Post by: Naginata on Sep 01, 2019, 05:55:17 PM
Also, like, HE ADMITTED TO IT at one point...  :P

People act like a guy who's a total creepazoid to one woman and abuses his position to cover it up is this unthinkable thing, but, like...

Does anyone honestly think 2013 was an isolated incident? This bizarre, completely out-of-character anomaly that happened out of nowhere one time and then never again? Again, this is one of many accusations - with evidence, with backup from other people, with an admission - and yet Dark Horse (who gave him the benefit of the doubt before, let's remember) is wrong for giving him the boot from the book? A work-for-hire video game tie-in, at that?

Come on.  ::)

They're a private corporation removing an employee from a work-for-hire assignment because that employee's history and continued behavior makes them a PR liability. Welcome to Capitalism 101. Again - VIDEO GAME TIE-IN. I'm sure it would have been kinda cool, but it's not like we're missing out on a The Cold Forge or a Labyrinth here...

EDIT: Also, I can't believe I actually have to say this, but "well why didn't you call him out back when it happened" isn't even close to being a viable argument.
Title: Re: Dark Horse Comics Announces Aliens: Colonial Marines: Rising Threat!
Post by: SM on Sep 01, 2019, 08:35:29 PM
Quote from: Hed-Veta on Sep 01, 2019, 01:13:45 PM
Had everyone heard that Alec Holowka had committed suicide because of such fake accusations that had never been proven? How many people must die for such situations to be properly investigated? If Brian is really guilty , he should be punished. Oh yeah... exactly. I had forgotten that the punishment for a misdemeanor and public censure must follow BEFORE the Commission of a misdemeanor has been proved. Or should it be the other way around?
It's like a Fallout 76 - buy it now and we'll finish it later. Here - we will accuse you, you will lose your job, and your work (and not only yours, by the way) will fly into the garbage, and we will prove our accusations later (and maybe we will not prove, especially if you commit suicide like Alec).
I'm not saying these girls are really lying. But given other precedents, this possibility should not be overlooked.
Bullying is basically bad. But MAY BE you should apply this AFTER the FACT of the presence of convincing evidence of deviant human behavior? Or instead of the presumption of innocence, do we now have the presumption of guilt?
Now on the Internet you can do and say anything. That's just Brian now it is necessary to PROVE that he is not guilty. Shouldn't it be the other way around?
Yes, there are screenshots of correspondence. But now a man with skills can put Tobey Maguire in a Infinity War.

You've failed in your first sentence.

You're dismissing or downplaying the accusations and pretending this is a court of law.  It isn't.  Dark Horse is obviously satisfied the accusations are accurate enough to terminate their working relationship.  If Wood believes it's unfair - he can sue.

You're either arguing in bad faith or a moron, and it's probably time to stop digging.
Title: Re: Dark Horse Comics Announces Aliens: Colonial Marines: Rising Threat!
Post by: Engineer on Sep 01, 2019, 10:56:05 PM
I can't even believe there is a debate going on about whether or not dark horse made the right call...

OF COURSE THEY DID! Evidence aside, he has admitted to this behavior. He apologized after the first time, but he didn't learn from his past mistakes and repeated the behavior. That's called a pattern; his punishment THIS time was to be fired from the job. No one ruined his life; he was responsible for his own actions and knew what the consequences of his actions would be. If any thing it's HIS fault.

Do not blame the victims or the employer. Brian Wood knew what he was doing and what would happen to him as a result.
Title: Re: Dark Horse Comics Announces Aliens: Colonial Marines: Rising Threat!
Post by: Delta Echo Alpha Delta on Sep 01, 2019, 11:32:22 PM
Disappointing.

I feel so sorry for Anne Scherbina, Laura Hudson and Tess Fowler.

No one should be treated like that ever, threats to their career for not granting sexual favours.

Sad and pathetic people sticking up for him when he is so obviously guilty.
Title: Re: Dark Horse Comics Announces Aliens: Colonial Marines: Rising Threat!
Post by: Naginata on Sep 02, 2019, 01:21:43 AM
Also, as far as "what if the probable abuser kills themselves because its all an anti-man conspiracy YOU MEANIES" is concerned... You think nobody's ever done that as a RESULT OF being creeped on/assaulted/silenced/whateverthef**k? I know everyone's desperate to prop up this idea that we live in a PC-gone-mad ESS JAAY DUBBAYOO dystopia, but honestly, this is, like, the worst possible 'example' you could seize on.
Title: Re: Dark Horse Comics Announces Aliens: Colonial Marines: Rising Threat!
Post by: SM on Sep 02, 2019, 01:25:51 AM
I'm pleasantly surprised that in this case everyone isn't desperate to prop up this idea that we live in a PC-gone-mad ESS JAAY DUBBAYOO dystopia.
Title: Re: Dark Horse Comics Announces Aliens: Colonial Marines: Rising Threat!
Post by: Naginata on Sep 02, 2019, 03:20:52 AM
^ Yeah, me too; that part was dumb wording on my part. Mea culpa.

Gave me an excuse to type "ESS JAAY DUBBAYOO" though, so it's not all bad.
Title: Re: Dark Horse Comics Announces Aliens: Colonial Marines: Rising Threat!
Post by: SM on Sep 02, 2019, 03:22:53 AM
Indeed.
Title: Re: Dark Horse Comics Announces Aliens: Colonial Marin...
Post by: Nostromo on Sep 02, 2019, 12:44:13 PM
JAAY DUBBAYOO dystopia
Title: Re: Dark Horse Comics Announces Aliens: Colonial Marines: Rising Threat!
Post by: Naginata on Sep 02, 2019, 12:46:35 PM
OK, for realz, y'all - if 'ESS JAAY DUBBAYOO' becomes a thing, I will be SO HAPPY!  :laugh:
Title: Re: Dark Horse Comics Announces Aliens: Colonial Marines: Rising Threat!
Post by: magical_boy on Sep 04, 2019, 12:41:46 AM
If the guy admitted to this type of behaviour a while ago, seems to be a rather late termination
Title: Re: Dark Horse Comics Announces Aliens: Colonial Marines: Rising Threat!
Post by: Engineer on Sep 04, 2019, 01:26:46 AM
Quote from: magical_boy on Sep 04, 2019, 12:41:46 AM
If the guy admitted to this type of behaviour a while ago, seems to be a rather late termination

They probably gave him a second chance, with certain restrictions in place. Hard to say for a "work for hire" job. But with my employer, first offense (assuming it's minor) is to retake the sexual harassment training and possibly be demoted. After that, it's termination. Of course, if it's a severe enough case they can opt to terminate right away.
Title: Re: Dark Horse Comics Announces Aliens: Colonial Marines: Rising Threat!
Post by: Kimarhi on Sep 04, 2019, 01:35:21 AM
We had a dude get in pretty big trouble with it.  Somehow even though everyone in our company knows what he did, nobody outside seems to know because they were able to settle out of court.


His continued hire is perfect example that if you bring in money to a company and they can't replace you, you can get away with anything.  The dude racks up between 10m and 15m a year in sales.  I will say that the dude hasnt got in anymore trouble since then though and that was close to a decade ago. 

Title: Re: Dark Horse Comics Announces Aliens: Colonial Marines: Rising Threat!
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Sep 04, 2019, 12:09:33 PM
Quote from: magical_boy on Sep 04, 2019, 12:41:46 AM
If the guy admitted to this type of behaviour a while ago, seems to be a rather late termination

Which unfortunately happens all too often. Look at the big open secret that was Harvey Weinstein.
Title: Re: Dark Horse Comics Announces Aliens: Colonial Marines: Rising Threat!
Post by: JokersWarPig on Sep 04, 2019, 01:41:57 PM
So I get that they needed to get rid of this guy and it should have been done well before this. I don't really understand cancelling the comic though when (as far as we know) no work has been done on it yet. Why not just get a different writer to take over?
Title: Re: Dark Horse Comics Announces Aliens: Colonial Marines: Rising Threat!
Post by: SuperiorIronman on Sep 04, 2019, 02:13:23 PM
In my experience when comics get cancelled due to sexual predators and harassment, it's to avoid bad press from the products mere existence. Basically companies would want to wash their hands of this in the quickest and easiest way possible. Both Marvel and DC have done this. Disavowing the creator and it's work even if you can still pick it up (if completed) on Amazon.

Darkhorse being a smaller company and promoting a niche product whose work might not be fully completed if ever started stands to loose nothing if they just can it and move on. Gets the good press and we can start over with something less gross.
Title: Re: Dark Horse Comics Announces Aliens: Colonial Marin...
Post by: molasar on Sep 04, 2019, 02:19:36 PM
Quote from: JokersWarPig on Sep 04, 2019, 01:41:57 PM
So I get that they needed to get rid of this guy and it should have been done well before this. I don't really understand cancelling the comic though when (as far as we know) no work has been done on it yet. Why not just get a different writer to take over?
If I were them, I would just rename it and get a different writer, so his name is not associated with the project anymore.

Anyway, if they care about the company's reputation so much, they should cancel all other his comics (including "Rescue") and stop selling already published ones.
Title: Re: Dark Horse Comics Announces Aliens: Colonial Marin...
Post by: Wweyland on Sep 04, 2019, 06:42:14 PM
Quote from: molasar on Sep 04, 2019, 02:19:36 PM
Quote from: JokersWarPig on Sep 04, 2019, 01:41:57 PM
So I get that they needed to get rid of this guy and it should have been done well before this. I don't really understand cancelling the comic though when (as far as we know) no work has been done on it yet. Why not just get a different writer to take over?
If I were them, I would just rename it and get a different writer, so his name is not associated with the project anymore.

Anyway, if they care about the company's reputation so much, they should cancel all other his comics (including "Rescue") and stop selling already published ones.
But they have a substantial dollar value attached to them.
Title: Re: Dark Horse Comics Announces Aliens: Colonial Marin...
Post by: Engineer on Sep 04, 2019, 07:17:53 PM
Quote from: molasar on Sep 04, 2019, 02:19:36 PM
Quote from: JokersWarPig on Sep 04, 2019, 01:41:57 PM
So I get that they needed to get rid of this guy and it should have been done well before this. I don't really understand cancelling the comic though when (as far as we know) no work has been done on it yet. Why not just get a different writer to take over?
If I were them, I would just rename it and get a different writer, so his name is not associated with the project anymore.

Anyway, if they care about the company's reputation so much, they should cancel all other his comics (including "Rescue") and stop selling already published ones.

For rescue, there's other things to consider. Rescue is probably complete. The still have to pay the other hands involved like the artists and printers, etc... they probably decided to let rescue slide because the financial loss would have been higher to cancel it now.

Rising threat, the damage was still there, but lesser so. I know the cover arts were completed for a few issues, and the writing was at least in progress. Still going to be a financial loss, but not as significant.
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Post by: molasar on Sep 04, 2019, 08:13:09 PM
Where I wrote 'If I were them', I meant if they want to go completely a 'virtue signalling' way.

It is either a business or virtue signalling. If it is not in their company's policy, let proper authorities deal with it and do not start new projects with somebody who cannot finish them for various reasons.
Title: Re: Dark Horse Comics Announces Aliens: Colonial Marines: Rising Threat!
Post by: SM on Sep 04, 2019, 08:22:30 PM
It's not so simple as removing his name from it and continuing on.  The first issue was supposed to be released month so it was very likely complete.  At least the first four issues are scripted, and covers have been done.  You can't just remove his name if you're going to use the script he wrote.

Title: Re: Dark Horse Comics Announces Aliens: Colonial Marines: Rising Threat!
Post by: Engineer on Sep 04, 2019, 08:25:52 PM
Quote from: SM on Sep 04, 2019, 08:22:30 PM
It's not so simple as removing his name from it and continuing on.  The first issue was supposed to be released month so it was very likely complete.  At least the first four issues are scripted, and covers have been done.  You can't just remove his name if you're going to use the script he wrote.

^^ 100% this
The intellectual property still has Brian Woods name attached. He could sue if they use it and just remove his name. They'll need to start that series over from scratch basically. Hence why cancellation of rising threat would make most sense. Whatever new project replaces it will be completely different.
Title: Re: Dark Horse Comics Announces Aliens: Colonial Marines: Rising Threat!
Post by: SM on Sep 04, 2019, 08:30:26 PM
I don't think it'll be completely different, but they'd need a new writer to be given the concept and how it will tie in to the game and start their own version of it from scratch.
Title: Re: Dark Horse Comics Announces Aliens: Colonial Marines: Rising Threat!
Post by: Engineer on Sep 05, 2019, 02:11:31 AM
I guess I should have clarified. Lol what ever Brian Woods contributions were would have to be completely different...

There's things that would ultimately be the same such as the inclusion of Olivia Shipp, other recurring characters and whatever story elements were threads from Rescue and the upcoming video game...
Title: Re: Dark Horse Comics Announces Aliens: Colonial Marines: Rising Threat!
Post by: SM on Sep 05, 2019, 02:13:04 AM
No threads from Rescue, but otherwise correct.
Title: Re: Dark Horse Comics Announces Aliens: Colonial Marines: Rising Threat!
Post by: Kimarhi on Sep 05, 2019, 02:40:04 AM
What videogame?
Title: Re: Dark Horse Comics Announces Aliens: Colonial Marines: Rising Threat!
Post by: Samhain13 on Sep 05, 2019, 03:12:20 AM
Quote from: Kimarhi on Sep 05, 2019, 02:40:04 AM
What videogame?

http://coldironstudios.com/

https://avp.fandom.com/wiki/Untitled_Aliens_online_shooter

https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=59432.0
Title: Re: Dark Horse Comics Announces Aliens: Colonial Marines: Rising Threat!
Post by: Kimarhi on Sep 05, 2019, 04:00:12 AM
Ok. Knew about that game, didn't realize it was going to tie in with other EU materials. 
Title: Re: Dark Horse Comics Announces Aliens: Colonial Marines: Rising Threat!
Post by: Prez on Sep 05, 2019, 04:43:35 AM
Aside from Image Comics (artist owned comics) then I assume Dark Horse would probably own all the current IP. Still though the whole naming situation does remain. Perhaps part of Woods severance deal was him forfeiting all current IP on his written work and the removal of his name from it. I've seen this type of thing happen in the creative industry - seen it first hand.
Title: Re: Dark Horse Comics Announces Aliens: Colonial Marines: Rising Threat!
Post by: Engineer on Sep 05, 2019, 01:02:57 PM
Quote from: Prez on Sep 05, 2019, 04:43:35 AM
Aside from Image Comics (artist owned comics) then I assume Dark Horse would probably own all the current IP. Still though the whole naming situation does remain. Perhaps part of Woods severance deal was him forfeiting all current IP on his written work and the removal of his name from it. I've seen this type of thing happen in the creative industry - seen it first hand.

This isn't the case here, hence the cancellation of the series.
Title: Re: Dark Horse Comics Announces Aliens: Colonial Marines: Rising Threat!
Post by: Prez on Sep 05, 2019, 01:16:06 PM
Quote from: Engineer on Sep 05, 2019, 01:02:57 PM
Quote from: Prez on Sep 05, 2019, 04:43:35 AM
Aside from Image Comics (artist owned comics) then I assume Dark Horse would probably own all the current IP. Still though the whole naming situation does remain. Perhaps part of Woods severance deal was him forfeiting all current IP on his written work and the removal of his name from it. I've seen this type of thing happen in the creative industry - seen it first hand.

This isn't the case here, hence the cancellation of the series.

Fair point.
Title: Re: Dark Horse Comics Announces Aliens: Colonial Marines: Rising Threat!
Post by: Hudson on Sep 06, 2019, 07:27:15 PM
Good Lord. Seems like anything with "Colonial Marines" in the title is either destined to be total garbage, be helmed by a scumbag, or both.

I wish I could say this whole thing surprises me, but I guess it was just a matter of time before the Alien franchise, in some context or other, was revealed to be just like everything else: put someone in charge who can turn a profit regardless of their personal character behind the curtains, because money!

The first thing we should hope for is that the victims can move on with at least some closure and peace of mind, knowing that this asshole isn't going to be in a position of power over anyone else who's vulnerable, hopefully ever again.

Unless there's a Cleveland Browns of comic book publishing, and they're willing to take him on at a discount regardless of the pain he has caused.

EDIT:

And the Cleveland Browns of comic book publishing is "Terrific Production LLC"

https://www.bleedingcool.com/2019/09/04/terrific-production-llc-interested-in-brian-wood-for-youngblood/ (https://www.bleedingcool.com/2019/09/04/terrific-production-llc-interested-in-brian-wood-for-youngblood/)
Title: Re: Dark Horse Comics Announces Aliens: Colonial Marines: Rising Threat!
Post by: Xenomorphine on Sep 08, 2019, 09:15:13 PM
Quote from: Hudson on Sep 06, 2019, 07:27:15 PM
Good Lord. Seems like anything with "Colonial Marines" in the title is either destined to be total garbage, be helmed by a scumbag, or both.

Well, let's be honest... The basic concept of the Colonial Marines has been copied into infinity in films and computer games, ever since 1986, but virtually every attempt has been incredibly superficial, forgetting what made Cameron's attempt work so well was the sense of realism. It worked in spite of the one-liners and cocky grins, not because of them. This was also why the 'Colonial Marines Technical Guide' was written so memorably well.

It's also why their successor, the United Systems Military, was portrayed as hopelessly inept. Whedon later again tried his hand at writing the military in the fourth series of 'Buffy The Vampire Slayer' and it was just as hopelessly cheesy and comical in tone. The same goes for the idiotic tone of the 'Starship Troopers' and 'Doom' film adaptations.

It's the difference between Michael Bay's 'Pearl Harbour' and the classic 'Tora! Tora! Tora!'.

So, even if it's an officially licenced Fox product, such a concept's odds are rarely going to be in its favour unless you get someone relatively well versed at believable portrayals of military life. Doesn't have to be an attempt at a contemporary military classic, but it does need someone who understands what does and doesn't work (as with any other occupation a story might possibly revolve around).

Otherwise, it runs the risk of becoming a 'Team America' without the humour - as Pitchford's game proved.
Title: Re: Dark Horse Comics Announces Aliens: Colonial Marin...
Post by: Still Collating... on Sep 08, 2019, 09:56:16 PM
I'd also like for more realistic depictions of the military in the Alien series in the future.
Title: Re: Dark Horse Comics Announces Aliens: Colonial Marines: Rising Threat!
Post by: SM on Sep 08, 2019, 10:14:41 PM
The depiction of the marines in Life & Death was decent enough. In fact I think you'd find that they're done pretty well in most instances.

They get dragged down by the Gearbox game and original comic series.
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Post by: Still Collating... on Sep 09, 2019, 09:51:38 AM
Oh, I do agree that it's been getting better and more accurate as the time goes on. Maybe what I'd like to see is just more use of their equipment, vehicles, real strategies and stuff. There does come a point, especially in open areas where I do ask why are they just using another small group of marines with basic equipment instead of a vehicle/infantry combo. Pulse rifles and smartguns are always gonna be cool, but there are other weapons.
Title: Re: Dark Horse Comics Announces Aliens: Colonial Marines: Rising Threat!
Post by: HuDaFuK on Sep 09, 2019, 10:19:52 AM
I've always said I'd really like to see a straight up war story featuring the Marines fighting human opponents sans Alien. Gritty and realistic in the vein of Private Ryan/Band of Brothers.

I was hoping at least one story in Bug Hunt would go down that avenue, but alas they didn't.
Title: Re: Dark Horse Comics Announces Aliens: Colonial Marines: Rising Threat!
Post by: SM on Sep 09, 2019, 12:15:57 PM
Not sure there'd be much of a point when there's a million existing war stories with soldiers.

Like Private Ryan or Band of Brothers.
Title: Re: Dark Horse Comics Announces Aliens: Colonial Marines: Rising Threat!
Post by: JokersWarPig on Sep 09, 2019, 01:05:12 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Sep 09, 2019, 10:19:52 AM
I've always said I'd really like to see a straight up war story featuring the Marines fighting human opponents sans Alien. Gritty and realistic in the vein of Private Ryan/Band of Brothers.

I was hoping at least one story in Bug Hunt would go down that avenue, but alas they didn't.

I've been thinking this for a while, and it isn't a story that would have to be terribly long when you think about it. I was also hoping Bug Hunt featured the marines from Aliens but during a regular combat mission.


Quote from: SM on Sep 09, 2019, 12:15:57 PM
Not sure there'd be much of a point when there's a million existing war stories with soldiers.

Like Private Ryan or Band of Brothers.

Well, by that logic maybe people should stop making stories all together?
There is a group of people out there who do like stories like this, however niche it may be.
Title: Re: Dark Horse Comics Announces Aliens: Colonial Marines: Rising Threat!
Post by: HuDaFuK on Sep 09, 2019, 02:43:22 PM
Quote from: SM on Sep 09, 2019, 12:15:57 PMNot sure there'd be much of a point when there's a million existing war stories with soldiers.

Like Private Ryan or Band of Brothers.

The point would be giving Aliens/USCM nerds their fix.

I'm under no illusions, it'll almost certainly never happen, but that doesn't stop it being something I'd like to see.
Title: Re: Dark Horse Comics Announces Aliens: Colonial Marines: Rising Threat!
Post by: Kimarhi on Sep 09, 2019, 06:43:33 PM
Nah bruh.
Title: Re: Dark Horse Comics Announces Aliens: Colonial Marines: Rising Threat!
Post by: SM on Sep 09, 2019, 08:28:01 PM
QuoteWell, by that logic maybe people should stop making stories all together?

Yeah that's exactly what the "logic" is.  You nailed it.  :laugh:

What sets Aliens apart is the fact the marines are shooting at Aliens.  Having Saving Private Ryan with space marines means we're seeing the same story - but with space marines.  You need Aliens in the story - Xenomorphs or something else - or you might as well be watching a contemporary Earthbound war story.
Title: Re: Dark Horse Comics Announces Aliens: Colonial Marines: Rising Threat!
Post by: JokersWarPig on Sep 09, 2019, 09:05:43 PM
Quote from: SM on Sep 09, 2019, 08:28:01 PM
QuoteWell, by that logic maybe people should stop making stories all together?

Yeah that's exactly what the "logic" is.  You nailed it.  :laugh:

What sets Aliens apart is the fact the marines are shooting at Aliens.  Having Saving Private Ryan with space marines means we're seeing the same story - but with space marines.  You need Aliens in the story - Xenomorphs or something else - or you might as well be watching a contemporary Earthbound war story.

I disagree, you don't need a hostile alien, xenomorph or otherwise, to make a good story featuring the USCM.
Title: Re: Dark Horse Comics Announces Aliens: Colonial Marines: Rising Threat!
Post by: Kimarhi on Sep 09, 2019, 11:06:00 PM
You don't need the CM at all.  You just need the Army.
Title: Re: Dark Horse Comics Announces Aliens: Colonial Marines: Rising Threat!
Post by: Nameless_1 on Sep 09, 2019, 11:58:21 PM
Cancel Culture at it's finest, getting a company to fire a guy without even having to provide evidence first.
Title: Re: Dark Horse Comics Announces Aliens: Colonial Marines: Rising Threat!
Post by: SM on Sep 10, 2019, 12:05:51 AM
But marines are popular.  And if you're going to have Colonial Marines - or the army for arguments sake - fighting other people in the Aliens universe - why bother?  Just make up some new IP.
Title: Re: Dark Horse Comics Announces Aliens: Colonial Marines: Rising Threat!
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 10, 2019, 12:57:12 AM
Quote from: Kimarhi on Sep 09, 2019, 11:06:00 PM
You don't need the CM at all.  You just need the Army.

I want to see a riveting drama about them digging latrines and fighting boredom.
Title: Re: Dark Horse Comics Announces Aliens: Colonial Marines: Rising Threat!
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Sep 10, 2019, 01:14:48 AM
Quote from: SM on Sep 10, 2019, 12:05:51 AM
But marines are popular.  And if you're going to have Colonial Marines - or the army for arguments sake - fighting other people in the Aliens universe - why bother?  Just make up some new IP.

You mean like Prometheus, Alien & AVP, which are supposed to be three different IPs?
Title: Re: Dark Horse Comics Announces Aliens: Colonial Marines: Rising Threat!
Post by: SM on Sep 10, 2019, 01:38:30 AM
Nah something completely unrelated to Alien.
Title: Re: Dark Horse Comics Announces Aliens: Colonial Marines: Rising Threat!
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Sep 10, 2019, 01:53:56 AM
Quote from: SM on Sep 10, 2019, 01:38:30 AM
Nah something completely unrelated to Alien.

But despite the absence of the Alien, Prometheus is a movie that has Weyland, the Space Jockeys, the androids of the franchise and the star system zeta reticuli. Why isn't a CM-centric movie a good idea? or why it has to be a completely separate thing ???
Title: Re: Dark Horse Comics Announces Aliens: Colonial Marines: Rising Threat!
Post by: SM on Sep 10, 2019, 01:58:15 AM
I didn't say it wasn't a good idea.  I said I didn't see the point of doing a war movie with USCM unless it has them fighting monsters.

Quote from: Nameless_1 on Sep 09, 2019, 11:58:21 PM
Cancel Culture at it's finest, getting a company to fire a guy without even having to provide evidence first.

What is it with guests and bad takes?
Title: Re: Dark Horse Comics Announces Aliens: Colonial Marines: Rising Threat!
Post by: Kimarhi on Sep 10, 2019, 02:13:00 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Sep 10, 2019, 12:57:12 AM
Quote from: Kimarhi on Sep 09, 2019, 11:06:00 PM
You don't need the CM at all.  You just need the Army.

I want to see a riveting drama about them digging latrines and fighting boredom.

Dig latrines?  We just chuck or shit in the direction the enemy is coming. 
Title: Re: Dark Horse Comics Announces Aliens: Colonial Marines: Rising Threat!
Post by: SM on Sep 10, 2019, 02:17:31 AM
Riveting drama about constructing trebuchets for which to fling shit.
Title: Re: Dark Horse Comics Announces Aliens: Colonial Marines: Rising Threat!
Post by: Kimarhi on Sep 10, 2019, 02:25:46 AM
I could probably throw some explosives in there.





Even though I have totally forgot my demo calculations.


I just remember P is for plenty. 
Title: Re: Dark Horse Comics Announces Aliens: Colonial Marines: Rising Threat!
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Sep 10, 2019, 02:32:16 AM
Quote from: SM on Sep 10, 2019, 01:58:15 AM
I didn't say it wasn't a good idea.  I said I didn't see the point of doing a war movie with USCM unless it has them fighting monsters.

Ok, here are my true colors on the subject. A movie with Colonial Marines that aren't fighting monsters is too dull for my personal taste. But even if we were talking about a war drama, portraying them in a recognizable way, I don't understand why it has to be something completely separate from Alien. You can count it as a spin-off of the main series. I think it has a potential for a TV show; addressing war, corporate espionage, space colonialism and stuff like that. There should be some monsters, or some kind of nonhuman threat though. But overall, I don't see any reason whatsoever to completely separate it from the Alien universe. You just have to use recognizable elements of the Lore  to make it clear that this is not a generic or real-world military organization, but the USCM.
Title: Re: Dark Horse Comics Announces Aliens: Colonial Marines: Rising Threat!
Post by: Kimarhi on Sep 10, 2019, 02:45:21 AM
I think it could work.  You might draw in some people with just the CM tag.  But almost all of those people would want the Alien involved because that movie is what made them famous. 


I think such things are better in a series format.  I'd have a Colony focus, a Corporate focus, and a CM focus with the CM focusing early on human combat to show how such a force would operate, and then tying them all in together with the Alien for the last episode. 


The CM would have to undergo a serious gear overall.  Their tech is still better but better by decades, not centuries.  I would love a carbine that I could shoot that wouldn't build up with carbon for me to have to clean later.  That'd be every field soldiers wet dream. 





Title: Re: Dark Horse Comics Announces Aliens: Colonial Marines: Rising Threat!
Post by: Engineer on Sep 10, 2019, 02:42:21 PM
Quote from: SM on Sep 10, 2019, 01:58:15 AM
Quote from: Nameless_1 on Sep 09, 2019, 11:58:21 PM
Cancel Culture at it's finest, getting a company to fire a guy without even having to provide evidence first.

What is it with guests and bad takes?
I was about to say something along these lines too, lol
Title: Re: Dark Horse Comics Announces Aliens: Colonial Marines: Rising Threat!
Post by: Still Collating... on Sep 10, 2019, 03:42:45 PM
Quote from: Kimarhi on Sep 10, 2019, 02:45:21 AM
I think it could work.  You might draw in some people with just the CM tag.  But almost all of those people would want the Alien involved because that movie is what made them famous. 


I think such things are better in a series format.  I'd have a Colony focus, a Corporate focus, and a CM focus with the CM focusing early on human combat to show how such a force would operate, and then tying them all in together with the Alien for the last episode. 


The CM would have to undergo a serious gear overall.  Their tech is still better but better by decades, not centuries.  I would love a carbine that I could shoot that wouldn't build up with carbon for me to have to clean later.  That'd be every field soldiers wet dream.

This. It could work. Futuristic soldiers are always cool. Upgrade their tech, show a lot more of it, the different regiments and tactics but keep the Aliens' style and look to a certain degree. The military is fascinating to a lot of people. A future military that's grounded, realistic and down to earth is always nice for the imagination. And having that cool military in the same universe as the Aliens would be awesome.

The marines need to prove themselves to us in realistic combat against humans. Cause it's getting ridiculous, they keep saying (not showing) how badass they are and then getting their asses kicked by the aliens. We have no precedent for them being capable at their job, they seem frequently incompetent. And it's even worse when I see them fighting literal space bugs that look or are described ridiculous.
Title: Re: Dark Horse Comics Announces Aliens: Colonial Marines: Rising Threat!
Post by: Naginata on Sep 10, 2019, 10:38:50 PM
THERE'S NO EVIDENCE!

*is shown mounds of evidence*

... Uh... HASHTAG CANCEL CULTURE!
Title: Re: Dark Horse Comics Announces Aliens: Colonial Marines: Rising Threat!
Post by: Engineer on Sep 10, 2019, 11:08:30 PM
Quote from: Naginata on Sep 10, 2019, 10:38:50 PM
THERE'S NO EVIDENCE!

*is shown mounds of evidence*

... Uh... HASHTAG CANCEL CULTURE!
You forgot the admission of guilt
Title: Re: Dark Horse Comics Announces Aliens: Colonial Marines: Rising Threat!
Post by: Prez on Sep 10, 2019, 11:26:56 PM
Quote from: Engineer on Sep 10, 2019, 11:08:30 PM
Quote from: Naginata on Sep 10, 2019, 10:38:50 PM
THERE'S NO EVIDENCE!

*is shown mounds of evidence*

... Uh... HASHTAG CANCEL CULTURE!
You forgot the admission of guilt

Bingo.
Title: Re: Dark Horse Comics Announces Aliens: Colonial Marines: Rising Threat!
Post by: SM on Sep 10, 2019, 11:28:27 PM
 ;D

Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Sep 10, 2019, 02:32:16 AM
Quote from: SM on Sep 10, 2019, 01:58:15 AM
I didn't say it wasn't a good idea.  I said I didn't see the point of doing a war movie with USCM unless it has them fighting monsters.

Ok, here are my true colors on the subject. A movie with Colonial Marines that aren't fighting monsters is too dull for my personal taste. But even if we were talking about a war drama, portraying them in a recognizable way, I don't understand why it has to be something completely separate from Alien. You can count it as a spin-off of the main series. I think it has a potential for a TV show; addressing war, corporate espionage, space colonialism and stuff like that. There should be some monsters, or some kind of nonhuman threat though. But overall, I don't see any reason whatsoever to completely separate it from the Alien universe. You just have to use recognizable elements of the Lore  to make it clear that this is not a generic or real-world military organization, but the USCM.

Alien movies are about space monsters.  Either use the space monsters or you're wasting the IP.
Title: Re: Dark Horse Comics Announces Aliens: Colonial Marines: Rising Threat!
Post by: Naginata on Sep 11, 2019, 12:53:17 AM
Quote from: Engineer on Sep 10, 2019, 11:08:30 PM
You forgot the admission of guilt

If by "forgot" you mean "brought it up multiple times in literal gigantic bold italicized all-caps," then sure, I forgot.
Title: Re: Dark Horse Comics Announces Aliens: Colonial Marines: Rising Threat!
Post by: Engineer on Sep 11, 2019, 12:57:56 AM
Quote from: Naginata on Sep 11, 2019, 12:53:17 AM
Quote from: Engineer on Sep 10, 2019, 11:08:30 PM
You forgot the admission of guilt

If by "forgot" you mean "brought it up multiple times in literal gigantic bold italicized all-caps," then sure, I forgot.

Lol. No I meant to re-emphasize that fact here.
No disrespect intended.
Title: Re: Dark Horse Comics Announces Aliens: Colonial Marines: Rising Threat!
Post by: Naginata on Sep 11, 2019, 01:05:36 AM
Oh, no worries!  :) I was just being catty.
Title: Re: Dark Horse Comics Announces Aliens: Colonial Marines: Rising Threat!
Post by: Engineer on Sep 11, 2019, 01:07:04 AM
Fair enough
Title: Re: Dark Horse Comics Announces Aliens: Colonial Marines: Rising Threat!
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Sep 11, 2019, 02:47:11 AM
Quote from: SM on Sep 10, 2019, 11:28:27 PM
;D

Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Sep 10, 2019, 02:32:16 AM
Quote from: SM on Sep 10, 2019, 01:58:15 AM
I didn't say it wasn't a good idea.  I said I didn't see the point of doing a war movie with USCM unless it has them fighting monsters.

Ok, here are my true colors on the subject. A movie with Colonial Marines that aren't fighting monsters is too dull for my personal taste. But even if we were talking about a war drama, portraying them in a recognizable way, I don't understand why it has to be something completely separate from Alien. You can count it as a spin-off of the main series. I think it has a potential for a TV show; addressing war, corporate espionage, space colonialism and stuff like that. There should be some monsters, or some kind of nonhuman threat though. But overall, I don't see any reason whatsoever to completely separate it from the Alien universe. You just have to use recognizable elements of the Lore  to make it clear that this is not a generic or real-world military organization, but the USCM.

Alien movies are about space monsters.  Either use the space monsters or you're wasting the IP.

I dunno. Prometheus is a movie with new monsters, taking place in the same universe. Also, is a sister IP, but not something entirely unrelated. Actually, Prometheus was more successful than the sequel, which does have a pair of Aliens in it. That said, I don't think it would be a waste of IP whatsoever. You need monsters though, but by monsters I don't necessarily mean the Alien. Although you can release it for the ending, as Kimarhi has point it out, while thinking on a USCM story in TV show form.
Title: Re: Dark Horse Comics Announces Aliens: Colonial Marines: Rising Threat!
Post by: SM on Sep 11, 2019, 03:06:33 AM
Which is why I said 'space monsters' and not specifically Xenomorphs.
Title: Re: Dark Horse Comics Announces Aliens: Colonial Marines: Rising Threat!
Post by: Engineer on Sep 11, 2019, 03:24:22 AM
Honestly... I hate the term "xenomorph"
It's just a fancy name for "alien" which could literally apply to anything not of terrestrial origin.

The predator IS a xenomorph! There! I said it...

Sorry, pet peeve.
Title: Re: Dark Horse Comics Announces Aliens: Colonial Marines: Rising Threat!
Post by: SM on Sep 11, 2019, 04:28:54 AM
It's the best way to differentiate different lifeforms in the series to shield oneself from the terminally pedantic.  Plus it's the most popular term among casuals for the Alien.
Title: Re: Dark Horse Comics Announces Aliens: Colonial Marines: Rising Threat!
Post by: HuDaFuK on Sep 11, 2019, 08:30:09 AM
As I said when I mentioned the idea, I don't expect a USCM movie without aliens to ever happen.

But that doesn't stop it being something I'd like to see (even if fighting humans would probably show up some of the fallacies of their tech, like the Smartgun, which has never struck me as anything other than a liability in a situation where your enemy can shoot back).
Title: Re: Dark Horse Comics Announces Aliens: Colonial Marines: Rising Threat!
Post by: Kimarhi on Sep 11, 2019, 10:07:04 AM
It would be unless it can track and engage targets further than the range of their incoming rounds.



If it didn't you have to be able to go prone with it, which the smartgun would not seem to be able to do. 
Title: Re: Dark Horse Comics Announces Aliens: Colonial Marines: Rising Threat!
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Sep 12, 2019, 04:39:28 AM
Quote from: SM on Sep 11, 2019, 03:06:33 AM
Which is why I said 'space monsters' and not specifically Xenomorphs.

Hey! I didn't want to say it, but since you insist, here is the shoking truth: Cameron's Avatar is secretly "Arcturian poontang" chronicles.

*The Matrix starts to shake*  :-X 8)
Title: Re: Dark Horse Comics Announces Aliens: Colonial Marines: Rising Threat!
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 12, 2019, 04:47:42 AM
Quote from: Kimarhi on Sep 10, 2019, 02:13:00 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Sep 10, 2019, 12:57:12 AM
Quote from: Kimarhi on Sep 09, 2019, 11:06:00 PM
You don't need the CM at all.  You just need the Army.

I want to see a riveting drama about them digging latrines and fighting boredom.

Dig latrines?  We just chuck or shit in the direction the enemy is coming.

Is that why the aliens in AR looked like that?  After all, Johner did say the USM were "Army guys."
Title: Re: Dark Horse Comics Announces Aliens: Colonial Marines: Rising Threat!
Post by: SM on Sep 12, 2019, 05:42:44 AM
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Sep 12, 2019, 04:39:28 AM
Quote from: SM on Sep 11, 2019, 03:06:33 AM
Which is why I said 'space monsters' and not specifically Xenomorphs.

Hey! I didn't want to say it, but since you insist, here is the shoking truth: Cameron's Avatar is secretly "Arcturian poontang" chronicles.

*The Matrix starts to shake*  :-X 8)

That looks suspiciously like a sentence and pretty sure it's in English, but I don't have the faintest idea what it means.
Title: Re: Dark Horse Comics Announces Aliens: Colonial Marines: Rising Threat!
Post by: Kimarhi on Sep 13, 2019, 12:19:55 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Sep 12, 2019, 04:47:42 AM
Quote from: Kimarhi on Sep 10, 2019, 02:13:00 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Sep 10, 2019, 12:57:12 AM
Quote from: Kimarhi on Sep 09, 2019, 11:06:00 PM
You don't need the CM at all.  You just need the Army.

I want to see a riveting drama about them digging latrines and fighting boredom.

Dig latrines?  We just chuck or shit in the direction the enemy is coming.

Is that why the aliens in AR looked like that?  After all, Johner did say the USM were "Army guys."

They were United Systems, not United States.  Inferior.


But yes. 


Title: Re: Dark Horse Comics Announces Aliens: Colonial Marines: Rising Threat!
Post by: SM on Sep 13, 2019, 12:34:15 AM
They were Seppos though.
Title: Re: Dark Horse Comics Announces Aliens: Colonial Marines: Rising Threat!
Post by: Kimarhi on Sep 13, 2019, 02:28:45 AM
Not necessarily.  Perfected English is just spoken by everybody in the future. 
Title: Re: Dark Horse Comics Announces Aliens: Colonial Marines: Rising Threat!
Post by: SM on Sep 13, 2019, 02:32:54 AM
What about Vriess?
Title: Re: Dark Horse Comics Announces Aliens: Colonial Marines: Rising Threat!
Post by: Kimarhi on Sep 13, 2019, 02:46:22 AM
Well when a frenchman tries to speak God's English he gets put in a wheel chair and develops a stutter. 
Title: Re: Dark Horse Comics Announces Aliens: Colonial Marines: Rising Threat!
Post by: SM on Sep 13, 2019, 03:04:11 AM
That was my first guess.
Title: Re: Dark Horse Comics Announces Aliens: Colonial Marines: Rising Threat!
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Sep 13, 2019, 07:27:51 AM
Title: Re: Dark Horse Comics Announces Aliens: Colonial Marines: Rising Threat!
Post by: HuDaFuK on Sep 13, 2019, 08:30:45 AM
Probably the last...? :(

Predictable ace work from Tristan.
Title: Re: Dark Horse Comics Announces Aliens: Colonial Marines: Rising Threat!
Post by: Whiskeybrewer on Sep 13, 2019, 10:01:01 AM
Beautiful work. Hope his covers can be repurposed for other Alien series
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Post by: Still Collating... on Sep 13, 2019, 02:02:26 PM
I'll say it again, this man needs to do a whole Alien comic. Maybe we wont see stuff cause he'll be working on the game? In the comments for the tweet, he did say this artwork was owned by the game studio if I understood that correctly.
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Post by: Nostromo on Sep 13, 2019, 02:34:09 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Sep 13, 2019, 07:27:51 AM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">As most of you know, the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Aliens?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Aliens</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/book?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#book</a> I was doing <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/cover?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#cover</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/art?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#art</a> for was axed, but there was one finished that hasn't been released yet that I've been given the okay on showing. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Colours?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Colours</a> by @spidermanfan2099.<br>.<br><br>Barring commissions, this is probably the la... <a href="https://t.co/eXX7tlUivO">https://t.co/eXX7tlUivO</a> <a href="https://t.co/Svblh9UX8I">pic.twitter.com/Svblh9UX8I</a></p>&mdash; Tristan Jones (@tyrannojones) <a href="https://twitter.com/tyrannojones/status/1172293912502796290?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 12, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Dark Horse, can you please take a serious look at this picture. This is exactly what Alien(s) should be. Just dump everyone working on Aliens and GIVE EVERYTHING TO TRISTAN JONES ALREADY, heck give him the story, the penciling, the art, the drawing, the colors, the editing, the publishing, the delivering, the sorting and whatever the f**k else!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If ya'll don't want anymore of these mickey mouse stories and horrible art in your Alien comics, send a tweet to Dark Horse to give some work to Tristan Jones already, been screaming about this since Defiance, not sure what they don't understand.

My anger comes after reading Resistance, that crapola sucked. Both the art and the useless dumb story and glad Brian Wood has been shown the door.
Title: Re: Dark Horse Comics Announces Aliens: Colonial Marines: Rising Threat!
Post by: 426Buddy on Sep 13, 2019, 03:59:47 PM
It really sucks that Tristan isnt going to be doing any more Alien art for a while.

Ive already messaged DH numerous times on the topic.
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Post by: Nostromo on Sep 13, 2019, 05:47:19 PM
Quote from: 426Buddy on Sep 13, 2019, 03:59:47 PM

Ive already messaged DH numerous times on the topic.

Hits the like button 10 times.

Quote from: Still Collating... on Sep 13, 2019, 02:02:26 PM
I'll say it again, this man needs to do a whole Alien comic.

BIG THUMBS UP
Title: Re: Dark Horse Comics Announces Aliens: Colonial Marin...
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 14, 2019, 05:39:31 AM
Quote from: Nostromo on Sep 13, 2019, 05:47:19 PM
Quote from: 426Buddy on Sep 13, 2019, 03:59:47 PMIve already messaged DH numerous times on the topic.

Hits the like button 10 times.

If only someone would make some calls.
Title: Re: Dark Horse Comics Announces Aliens: Colonial Marin...
Post by: Nostromo on Sep 16, 2019, 02:56:54 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Sep 14, 2019, 05:39:31 AM
Quote from: Nostromo on Sep 13, 2019, 05:47:19 PM
Quote from: 426Buddy on Sep 13, 2019, 03:59:47 PMIve already messaged DH numerous times on the topic.

Hits the like button 10 times.


If only someone would make some calls.
Dark Horse, SM on line 1, please pick up :(

Wow people...imagine a 5-10 year Tristan Jones run on Alien comics...
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Post by: The Old One on Sep 16, 2019, 03:56:18 PM
I just want the book Tristan Jones desires, the graphic novel, the one he already described.
Title: Re: Dark Horse Comics Announces Aliens: Colonial Marines: Rising Threat!
Post by: Kradan on Sep 16, 2019, 10:35:47 PM
Don't want to rain on your parade but where the confidence Tristan's comic storywise will be good is coming from ? Don't get me wrong he's fantastic artist no doubt but the same aplies to Ridley Scott and many people have problems with story he tried to tell in prequels.
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Post by: Kimarhi on Sep 16, 2019, 10:58:41 PM
Back in the early days they used to let some of the artist pitch the story while the script was hammered down by other writers.
Title: Re: Dark Horse Comics Announces Aliens: Colonial Marines: Rising Threat!
Post by: Kradan on Sep 16, 2019, 11:08:33 PM
Fair enough, I guess .
Title: Re: Dark Horse Comics Announces Aliens: Colonial Marines: Rising Threat!
Post by: SM on Sep 17, 2019, 12:23:00 AM
Quote from: Kradan on Sep 16, 2019, 10:35:47 PM
Don't want to rain on your parade but where the confidence Tristan's comic storywise will be good is coming from ? Don't get me wrong he's fantastic artist no doubt but the same aplies to Ridley Scott and many people have problems with story he tried to tell in prequels.

'Cos he told me the story he wanted to tell and it sounded pretty cool.
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Post by: Engineer on Sep 17, 2019, 02:00:28 AM
I trust Tristan with writing a story... I've emailed DH a few times to express my interest in letting Tristan write one. I'm hoping that DH receives lots of emails like mine from people. If they get enough emails from fans about it, it might happen...
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Post by: Nostromo on Sep 17, 2019, 04:12:16 AM
Dark Horse:

1+1 = 2

Tristan Jones + Aliens = DH $$$
Title: Re: Dark Horse Comics Announces Aliens: Colonial Marines: Rising Threat!
Post by: HuDaFuK on Sep 17, 2019, 07:51:20 AM
Quote from: Kradan on Sep 16, 2019, 10:35:47 PM
Don't want to rain on your parade but where the confidence Tristan's comic storywise will be good is coming from ? Don't get me wrong he's fantastic artist no doubt but the same aplies to Ridley Scott and many people have problems with story he tried to tell in prequels.

Supposedly he was contributing to the story on Defiance. I thought that noticeably and dramatically dropped when he left. Coincidence?
Title: Re: Dark Horse Comics Announces Aliens: Colonial Marines: Rising Threat!
Post by: SM on Sep 17, 2019, 09:52:31 AM
Yeah probably.
Title: Re: Dark Horse Comics Announces Aliens: Colonial Marines: Rising Threat!
Post by: razeak on Sep 19, 2019, 02:37:39 AM
Quote from: Engineer on Sep 10, 2019, 11:08:30 PM
Quote from: Naginata on Sep 10, 2019, 10:38:50 PM
THERE'S NO EVIDENCE!

*is shown mounds of evidence*

... Uh... HASHTAG CANCEL CULTURE!
You forgot the admission of guilt

This.
Title: Re: Dark Horse Comics Announces Aliens: Colonial Marines: Rising Threat!
Post by: SpaceKase on Sep 19, 2019, 01:01:17 PM
So, to be clear, as of right now, we're not going to see any iteration of ACM: Rising Threat or any already developed art or storyline material. Is that correct?
Title: Re: Dark Horse Comics Announces Aliens: Colonial Marines: Rising Threat!
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Sep 19, 2019, 01:05:06 PM
As it stands.
Title: Re: Dark Horse Comics Announces Aliens: Colonial Marines: Rising Threat!
Post by: HuDaFuK on Sep 19, 2019, 01:21:12 PM
Quote from: SpaceKase on Sep 19, 2019, 01:01:17 PMSo, to be clear, as of right now, we're not going to see any iteration of ACM: Rising Threat or any already developed art or storyline material.

Except the cover art Tristan Jones has already shared.
Title: Re: Dark Horse Comics Announces Aliens: Colonial Marines: Rising Threat!
Post by: Samhain13 on Sep 19, 2019, 04:22:25 PM
Quote from: SpaceKase on Sep 19, 2019, 01:01:17 PM
So, to be clear, as of right now, we're not going to see any iteration of ACM: Rising Threat or any already developed art or storyline material. Is that correct?

No life signs.
Title: Re: Dark Horse Comics Announces Aliens: Colonial Marines: Rising Threat!
Post by: Kradan on Sep 19, 2019, 06:19:56 PM
That sucks  :'(
Title: Re: Dark Horse Comics Announces Aliens: Colonial Marines: Rising Threat!
Post by: SpaceKase on Sep 19, 2019, 10:45:30 PM
Alas, into the vault of mysteries, right next to Aliens: Matrix and the ending of Crusade...
Title: Re: Dark Horse Comics Announces Aliens: Colonial Marines: Rising Threat!
Post by: SM on Sep 19, 2019, 11:31:15 PM
As far as I know Dark Horse canned the series, so it's up to them if they want to pursue it.
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Post by: cloverfan98 on Sep 22, 2019, 06:48:28 AM
Quote from: SpaceKase on Sep 19, 2019, 10:45:30 PM
Alas, into the vault of mysteries, right next to Aliens: Matrix and the ending of Crusade...

Sorry if this is opening a can of worms but I've never heard of those two projects before what were those?
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Post by: SM on Sep 22, 2019, 06:54:57 AM
Comics from the Dark Horse Aliens magazine published in the UK.  Crusade was partially completed and Matrix being created when the magazine got canned. 
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Post by: razeak on Sep 22, 2019, 01:22:05 PM
So is it a money issue to cancel the project instead of hiring another writer? Would the creep be due royalties or anything like that if they proceeded with it?
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Post by: SM on Sep 22, 2019, 08:25:15 PM
If they did pursue it they'd need to do a page 1 re-write, and that would necessitate new artwork.  There were at least 4 issues of scripts, and I'm guessing at least 1 issue of a finished art plus a few covers.  I've no idea how much this sort of thing costs a publisher, but it wouldn't be insignificant investment that they've written off.
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Post by: Kimarhi on Sep 23, 2019, 11:03:00 PM
This guy should've kept better control of his pecker.
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Post by: The Old One on Sep 24, 2019, 12:15:17 AM
Good riddance.
Title: Re: Dark Horse Comics Announces Aliens: Colonial Marines: Rising Threat!
Post by: Kradan on Sep 24, 2019, 09:45:29 PM
I don't know. I feel a little bit bad for people blamed for sexual harassments. You know, their career is destroyed and nobody talks to them or answer the calls anymore . I know it's deserved but ...
Title: Re: Dark Horse Comics Announces Aliens: Colonial Marines: Rising Threat!
Post by: Samhain13 on Sep 24, 2019, 09:54:59 PM
Its only a problem when the person in question is actually innocent.
Title: Re: Dark Horse Comics Announces Aliens: Colonial Marines: Rising Threat!
Post by: SM on Sep 24, 2019, 11:17:46 PM
Quote from: Kradan on Sep 24, 2019, 09:45:29 PM
I don't know. I feel a little bit bad for people blamed for sexual harassments. You know, their career is destroyed and nobody talks to them or answer the calls anymore . I know it's deserved but ...

"But..." what?
Title: Re: Dark Horse Comics Announces Aliens: Colonial Marines: Rising Threat!
Post by: Kradan on Sep 24, 2019, 11:21:48 PM
I prefer not to answer that 'cause I have allergy for rotten tomatoes. Sorry
Title: Re: Dark Horse Comics Announces Aliens: Colonial Marines: Rising Threat!
Post by: SM on Sep 25, 2019, 12:07:16 AM
If you know you have a bad take - why even hint that you have a bad take?
Title: Re: Dark Horse Comics Announces Aliens: Colonial Marines: Rising Threat!
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 25, 2019, 12:13:01 AM
He craves judgment.
Title: Re: Dark Horse Comics Announces Aliens: Colonial Marines: Rising Threat!
Post by: SpaceKase on Sep 25, 2019, 05:10:25 PM
The Real question is, would Weyland Yutani's publishing division have had the same reaction, were they placed in a similar situation?
Title: Re: Dark Horse Comics Announces Aliens: Colonial Marines: Rising Threat!
Post by: The Kurgan on Sep 26, 2019, 08:10:26 AM
The mustache twirling WY from the EU would probably make him head of the publishing division. And Randy Pitchford head of PR.
Title: Re: Dark Horse Comics Announces Aliens: Colonial Marines: Rising Threat!
Post by: Delta Echo Alpha Delta on Sep 26, 2019, 12:26:07 PM
Quote from: Kradan on Sep 24, 2019, 09:45:29 PM
I don't know. I feel a little bit bad for people blamed for sexual harassments. You know, their career is destroyed and nobody talks to them or answer the calls anymore . I know it's deserved but ...

I don't know about you but that should be motivation enough not to f**king do it in the first place maybe? =_=
Plenty of other humans managed to go throughout their entire life without violating others for personal gain.
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Post by: The Old One on Sep 26, 2019, 06:25:53 PM
I've got no pity for the man.
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Post by: Nostromo on Sep 27, 2019, 02:30:49 PM
Dark Horse Alien comics without Tristan Jones:

(https://i.postimg.cc/258Zc7C9/spongebob.jpg)
Title: Re: Dark Horse Comics Announces Aliens: Colonial Marines: Rising Threat!
Post by: SpaceKase on Sep 27, 2019, 05:08:40 PM
Allegations against Brain Wood, not Tristen Jones, tho. Jonesy could and should be back if Disney/Fox/Dark Horse get him back.
Title: Re: Dark Horse Comics Announces Aliens: Colonial Marines: Rising Threat!
Post by: Kradan on Sep 27, 2019, 09:21:49 PM
Quote from: muthur9000 on Sep 26, 2019, 12:26:07 PM
Quote from: Kradan on Sep 24, 2019, 09:45:29 PM
I don't know. I feel a little bit bad for people blamed for sexual harassments. You know, their career is destroyed and nobody talks to them or answer the calls anymore . I know it's deserved but ...

I don't know about you but that should be motivation enough not to f**king do it in the first place maybe? =_=
Plenty of other humans managed to go throughout their entire life without violating others for personal gain.

But I think it's not a way to improve a person. Turning the man into absolute monster, shouting "guilty, guilty !" without even trying to understand where the problem comes from probably solves this particular case but not the problem of
sexual harassments  in general

And sexual violation is popular ( and perhaps won't be in another 5 -10 years ) topic nowadays that helps to distract society's attention from more important problems.

Purely my subjective opinion .
Title: Re: Dark Horse Comics Announces Aliens: Colonial Marines: Rising Threat!
Post by: SM on Sep 27, 2019, 09:51:13 PM
Quote from: Kradan on Sep 27, 2019, 09:21:49 PM
Quote from: muthur9000 on Sep 26, 2019, 12:26:07 PM
Quote from: Kradan on Sep 24, 2019, 09:45:29 PM
I don't know. I feel a little bit bad for people blamed for sexual harassments. You know, their career is destroyed and nobody talks to them or answer the calls anymore . I know it's deserved but ...

I don't know about you but that should be motivation enough not to f**king do it in the first place maybe? =_=
Plenty of other humans managed to go throughout their entire life without violating others for personal gain.

But I think it's not a way to improve a person. Turning the man into absolute monster, shouting "guilty, guilty !" without even trying to understand where the problem comes from probably solves this particular case but not the problem of
sexual harassments  in general

And sexual violation is popular ( and perhaps won't be in another 5 -10 years ) topic nowadays that helps to distract society's attention from more important problems.

Purely my subjective opinion .


So it's not his fault he sexually assaulted women by using his position - it's everyone else's fault for calling him out on it.

Sexual violation is a popular topic because it should be.  Too many men got away with their bullshit for too long.  If all they do is lose their job, they should think themselves lucky.

If you think it's not important enough and just a distraction then you're part of the f**king problem and should f**k all the way off and get better '"subjective opinions".
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Post by: 426Buddy on Sep 27, 2019, 10:02:37 PM
Well said SM
Title: Re: Dark Horse Comics Announces Aliens: Colonial Marines: Rising Threat!
Post by: Kradan on Sep 27, 2019, 10:15:16 PM
Quote from: SM on Sep 27, 2019, 09:51:13 PM
Quote from: Kradan on Sep 27, 2019, 09:21:49 PM
Quote from: muthur9000 on Sep 26, 2019, 12:26:07 PM
Quote from: Kradan on Sep 24, 2019, 09:45:29 PM
I don't know. I feel a little bit bad for people blamed for sexual harassments. You know, their career is destroyed and nobody talks to them or answer the calls anymore . I know it's deserved but ...

I don't know about you but that should be motivation enough not to f**king do it in the first place maybe? =_=
Plenty of other humans managed to go throughout their entire life without violating others for personal gain.

But I think it's not a way to improve a person. Turning the man into absolute monster, shouting "guilty, guilty !" without even trying to understand where the problem comes from probably solves this particular case but not the problem of
sexual harassments  in general

And sexual violation is popular ( and perhaps won't be in another 5 -10 years ) topic nowadays that helps to distract society's attention from more important problems.

Purely my subjective opinion .


So it's not his fault he sexually assaulted women by using his position - it's everyone else's fault for calling him out on it.

Sexual violation is a popular topic because it should be.  Too many men got away with their bullshit for too long.  If all they do is lose their job, they should think themselves lucky.

If you think it's not important enough and just a distraction then you're part of the f**king problem and should f**k all the way off and get better '"subjective opinions".

Well, it's still subjective I guess . Thanks for civility
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Post by: SM on Sep 27, 2019, 10:32:33 PM
You're still here.

Quote from: 426Buddy on Sep 27, 2019, 10:02:37 PM
Well said SM

Cheers.
Title: Re: Dark Horse Comics Announces Aliens: Colonial Marines: Rising Threat!
Post by: Samhain13 on Sep 27, 2019, 11:30:40 PM
It might be time to let this thread die just like the comic.
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Post by: Delta Echo Alpha Delta on Sep 28, 2019, 10:39:39 PM
Quote from: Nostromo on Sep 27, 2019, 02:30:49 PM
Dark Horse Alien comics without Tristan Jones:

(https://i.postimg.cc/258Zc7C9/spongebob.jpg)

I'd be all in for a Tristan Jones written and illustrated comic or series with Alien or not. I think DH would be mad not to let him do more, cause he obviously does beautiful work and the fans love him.
Title: Re: Dark Horse Comics Announces Aliens: Colonial Marin...
Post by: The Old One on Sep 29, 2019, 12:15:25 AM
Yes, give us the graphic novel he pitched to you.
Title: Re: Dark Horse Comics Announces Aliens: Colonial Marines: Rising Threat!
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 29, 2019, 12:18:42 AM
Maybe they could just adapt TCF in the meantime.  Would T-rex be willing to illustrate that?
Title: Re: Dark Horse Comics Announces Aliens: Colonial Marin...
Post by: The Old One on Sep 29, 2019, 12:30:14 AM
I'd love that, certainly.
Title: Re: Dark Horse Comics Announces Aliens: Colonial Marin...
Post by: Nostromo on Sep 29, 2019, 11:43:13 AM
Just read half of the new Terminator: Sector War TPB w/Brian Wood. It was the same ole bam bam ptiuuu ptiuuu boom boom snackle mfkin pop crack. Story was as recycled as the recycling found at a burnt site. Thank GOD this guy is out.
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Post by: Xenomrph on Sep 29, 2019, 11:51:35 AM
Quote from: Nostromo on Sep 29, 2019, 11:43:13 AM
Just read half of the new Terminator: Sector War TPB w/Brian Wood. It was the same ole bam bam ptiuuu ptiuuu boom boom snackle mfkin pop crack. Story was as recycled as the recycling found at a burnt site. Thank GOD this guy is out.
Sector War sucked, I read the TPB recently as well. Aside from getting some movie details wrong, he literally had a Terminator character monologuing (sp?) at the protagonist for some reason. More than once.

"Another Terminator shows up in 1984, targeting someone else" has been done before and done better (Terminator: One Shot, Terminator: Enemy of my Enemy). Brian Wood couldn't even be bothered to give a reason why Skynet wanted the protagonist dead other than a generic "she's important in the future somehow"; at least the aforementioned stories came up with clever reasons for people getting targeted for termination.

Sector War has a couple neat moments (the Terminator assaulting the gang-controlled high rise) but other than that it's one of the worst Terminator comics in recent memory.
Title: Re: Dark Horse Comics Announces Aliens: Colonial Marin...
Post by: SM on Sep 29, 2019, 12:23:01 PM
Quote from: Nostromo on Sep 29, 2019, 11:43:13 AM
Just read half of the new Terminator: Sector War TPB w/Brian Wood. It was the same ole bam bam ptiuuu ptiuuu boom boom snackle mfkin pop crack. Story was as recycled as the recycling found at a burnt site. Thank GOD this guy is out.

I dunno.  I'm not about to get revisionist and say 'His writing sucked anyway' (not that you're necessarily saying that).  I really  enjoyed Resistance and Defiance, and I liked where Rising Threat was going.  Rescue... jury's out.
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