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From looking at the production still shots, I can't help but think about the sculptured Face, and the Face on Mars. I'm going to go down the rabbit hole a bit, so please bear with me.

Here is a 1958 comic from Jack Kirby about the Face on Mars. (Published years before Viking I landed on Mars, btw)

http://www.scribd.com/doc/52666560/Jack-Kirby-Face-on-Mars-1958 (http://www.scribd.com/doc/52666560/Jack-Kirby-Face-on-Mars-1958)

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I know many here are fans of the Alien franchise, however, I would not mind seeing an original story from the great director Sir Ridley Scott include themes from Ancient Astronaut theory.

One of the theories of the origins of mankind is that we are hybrids from the Star Gods (aka ET beings). Alien abductees claim they have been inside of what looked like an alien hospital with advanced machinery surrounding it, as well as being shown 'hybrid' babies by these entities that look half human, half reptilian. Insectoid beings like praying mantis's were also seen during these abductions. John E. Mack, Harvard Professor of Psychiatry and Pulitzer Prize Winner investigated these claims initially to debunk them, but found himself in agreement with the phenomenon.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_E._Mack (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_E._Mack)

Here is a documentary about John E. Mack's works on the Alien Abduction Phenomenon. Sadly he died in 2004 from a drunk driver.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xTQ2-S1n-Q#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xTQ2-S1n-Q#ws)

Another corroboration are from users who take psychedelics like 'DMT,' which is a naturally occurring substance that is secreted from your brain. Many plants and mammals have this substance in their body naturally. Users who inject it into their body, or drink 'ayahuasca,' a DMT variant tribal Amazonians use, can see visions of alien entities interacting with them, seeing alien worlds and spaceships, as well as a hospital room with what looks like advanced machinery surrounding it. Whats even more peculiar about this is that people totally unconnected to each other are having these common visions.

Here is a brief excerpt from the documentary 'The Spirit Molecule'

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMbUr8yZNt0#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMbUr8yZNt0#ws)

https://www.google.com/search?gcx=c&ie=UTF-8&q=site%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.erowid.org%2Fexperiences%2F+praying+mantis (https://www.google.com/search?gcx=c&ie=UTF-8&q=site%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.erowid.org%2Fexperiences%2F+praying+mantis)

Ancient cave art depicts such entities, such as the cave art found in Sego Canyon Utah, Tassili National Park Algeria, and the Nazca lines in Peru.

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.imagesofanthropology.com%2Fimages%2Fa.rock_art_Sego_canyon_Utah_image_1.jpg&hash=69f06aa2cf1b911818dbbc0b3ea720d26ba017d8)(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.daviddarling.info%2Fimages%2FTassili.jpg&hash=32a537e39f515faaa0cdb8865da1a7476be10523)(https://www.peruadventurestours.com/Images/human.jpg)

Researchers like Graham Hancock believe that ancient shamans drew this cave art depicting the altered state of consciousness, or psychedelic state they were in through the digestion of a mixture of plants.

In this alerted state of consciousness (ACS), the user can have the ability to control their way in this 'other' realm and observe and retain what they see. Some people report seeing alien eggs like whats shown in the Alien franchise.

This artist rendering is from Slawek Wojtowicz, a frequent user of psychedelics like DMT and yage based plants therapies like 'Ayahuasca' which is prevalent with Amazonians in South America.

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.slawcio.com%2Fhatch.jpg&hash=65c487bd7a28ac830800a8af402712cf2d45a0e0)

One of the most common themes during these trips is seeing praying mantis beings. Ancient Egyptians called them 'the diviners,' and signified as a guide to the afterlife. Its considered good luck in many cultures. Alien abduction accounts observe mantis beings as well.

Amazing Stories February 1937 Cover | District 9
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What I did find interesting was that the original Alien in the first of the series had a more human quality to it, like therianthropes of ancient cultures (Half human half animal hybrid).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Therianthrope (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Therianthrope)

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fupload.wikimedia.org%2Fwikipedia%2Fcommons%2Fthumb%2F3%2F34%2FEgypte_louvre_031.jpg%2F200px-Egypte_louvre_031.jpg&hash=94c07da8e39b7b5b980c35ea28cdc7d06bfb5c19)(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fupload.wikimedia.org%2Fwikipedia%2Fen%2Fb%2Fb0%2FHrgigeralien.jpg&hash=a5f4eab2843798dbf4ec85dce500417b7c99007a)

Space Jockey origins (http://alienexplorations.blogspot.com/2011/01/evolution-of-space-jockey-from-egyptian.html (http://alienexplorations.blogspot.com/2011/01/evolution-of-space-jockey-from-egyptian.html))

Egyptian Book of the Dead
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What I found even more interesting was that people who ingest psychedelics like DMT see these same entities interacting with them in another realm.

Cave art depicts therianthropes quite often, from various parts of the world. (either half human half mammalian, or half insectoid, like the praying mantis)

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.freewebs.com%2Fmaloti%2FBattle%2520Cave%2520flying%2520therianthropes.jpg&hash=7e6d69b0de80dbd89dc84a13d3e44baedb984ad4)


Here is a rendering from a DMT user who observe mantis beings in the 'hyperspace' realm.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.slawcio.com%2Ftowe11.jpg&hash=0ff8fb3f52ebc90e07d3fdfb188462ff697a6a4e)

One can easily get to this 'realm' either through meditation, lucid dreaming, or by ingesting psychedelics like DMT, Ayahuasca, or LSD.

You can check out what psychonautics observe during these trips to the 'hyperspace' realm here on Erowid

http://www.google.com/search?gcx=c&ie=UTF-8&q=site%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.erowid.org%2Fexperiences%2F+praying+mantis (http://www.google.com/search?gcx=c&ie=UTF-8&q=site%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.erowid.org%2Fexperiences%2F+praying+mantis)


EDIT: 1/13/12 (Going further on the use of psychedelics and its relationship to Aliens)

Going further with the AA theory, after doing more research I've realized that ancient civilizations heavily relied on psychedelics within their culture. This could explain the ancient cave art depicting non-human looking entities on ancient cave walls as shown in the OP, and not some 'alien' visitation as proposed by some within the AA community.

Mushroom Stones found in Guatemala. JSTOR link for reference. http://www.jstor.org/pss/278737 (http://www.jstor.org/pss/278737)

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Early Christian culture heavily relied on psychedelics like Amanita Muscaria (Psilocybin variety) in order to travel to the astral, hyperspace, spiritual, hyper-dimensional reality (or are they just mere hallucinations? Personally, from the books I've read on the subject, no). As nuts as it may seem, ingesting these entheogens allows the user to meet entities that take on various forms, including therianthropes (half man, half animal), praying mantises (which look awfully similar to alien abduction scenarios), and other mythological entities. FYI, LSD is not similar in any way to Psilocybin.

John Allegro, an original Dead Sea Scroll scholar, claimed that early Christianity was heavily based on entheogens, only to be dismissed by the mainstream at large.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMZVsM5pNSE#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMZVsM5pNSE#ws)

Da Vinci himself was aware of entheogens and its relationship with early Christianity when he painted the Last Supper. If you look at the left most mural you will see mushrooms on it.

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fupload.wikimedia.org%2Fwikipedia%2Fcommons%2F7%2F77%2FDaVinci_LastSupper_high_res_2_nowatmrk.jpg&hash=cb717f1d3521723d8ba6651a9784e57b8ec376fb)

There is much more evidence of mushrooms being displayed prominently in early Christian art, as shown in the video below.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nU8lKlWOdxQ#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nU8lKlWOdxQ#ws)

This theme of consiousness is similar to the movies 'The Matrix' and 'Avatar.' In Matrix, people are getting 'jacked into' the Matrix. This is represented by shoving a thick needle (electronic port of sorts) from the back of the head.

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fnisargadatta.net%2Fmatrix_reloaded.jpg&hash=70af619b9ba8e2661df205c30c81e279a72ea888)

In 'Avatar,' its a Marine who lays in a zero-G cryotank who'se consciousness is transferred to the body of a Na'vi as its host. In reality, one can do this through the ingestion of entheogens like Amanita Muscaria, or Ayahuasca. 

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fblogs.whatsontv.co.uk%2Fmovietalk%2Ffiles%2F2009%2F12%2Favatar-1.jpg&hash=a2fc9b69eaf31cacefc40867cd718191e41d2a8d)


That being said, one does NOT have to ingest psychedelics to reach this realm. Through practice, one can achieve this through meditation, prayer, rythmic incantations and chants, etc. This is why so many religions practice these rituals.

nice post. i agree i think its better for it to be only loosely tied to the alien series.

I can only imagine how haunting it is to discover a 50 foot tall, mans face carved into a cave light years away from your planet.  It's unreal.  Perhaps this was some inspiration.

personally, i hope it doesn't take too much from the nonsensical, illogical, delusional ramblings of the likes of Georgio A Tsoukalos.... although his hair might make a good story!...

thanks

rich

I'm aware of the 'face on Mars' thing, but don't think the sculpted head on the set has anything to do with it.

The 'ancient astronaut' theory is apparently being represented, but the face doesn't show any signs of having a direct correlation. Nor does it really look like the alleged Martian face, either. ;)

Quote from: RICH-ENGLAND on Dec 04, 2011, 03:24:46 AM
personally, i hope it doesn't take too much from the nonsensical, illogical, delusional ramblings of the likes of Georgio A Tsoukalos.... although his hair might make a good story!...

thanks

rich

:DDDDDDDDDDDDDD

Quote from: Ruzena on Dec 04, 2011, 05:36:12 AM

Quote from: RICH-ENGLAND on Dec 04, 2011, 03:24:46 AM
personally, i hope it doesn't take too much from the nonsensical, illogical, delusional ramblings of the likes of Georgio A Tsoukalos.... although his hair might make a good story!...

thanks

rich

:DDDDDDDDDDDDDD

JESUS CHRIST A MAN WITH FOURTEEN MOUTHS

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Quote from: droideggs on Dec 03, 2011, 10:58:29 PM
From looking at the production still shots, I can't help but think about the sculptured Face, and the Face on Mars. I'm going to go down the rabbit hole a bit, so please bear with me.

I personally believe that mankind was genetically manipulated by non-humans, and that we are remnants of what could possibly be a superior human race, or some other intelligent entity.

Here is a 1958 comic from Jack Kirby about the Face on Mars. (Published years before Viking I landed on Mars, btw)

http://www.scribd.com/doc/52666560/Jack-Kirby-Face-on-Mars-1958 (http://www.scribd.com/doc/52666560/Jack-Kirby-Face-on-Mars-1958)

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I know many here are fans of the Alien franchise, however, I would not mind seeing an original story from the great director Sir Ridley Scott include themes from Ancient Astronaut theory.

One of the theories of the origins of mankind is that we are hybrids from the Star Gods (aka ET beings). Alien abductees claim they have been inside of what looked like an alien hospital with advanced machinery surrounding it, as well as being shown 'hybrid' babies by these entities that look half human, half reptilian. Insectoid beings like praying mantis's were also seen during these abductions. John E. Mack, Harvard Professor of Psychiatry and Pulitzer Prize Winner investigated these claims initially to debunk them, but found himself in agreement with the phenomenon.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_E._Mack (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_E._Mack)

Here is a documentary about John E. Mack's works on the Alien Abduction Phenomenon. Sadly he died in 2004 from a drunk driver.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xTQ2-S1n-Q#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xTQ2-S1n-Q#ws)

Another corroboration are from users who take psychedelics like 'DMT,' which is a naturally occurring substance that is secreted from your brain. Many plants and mammals have this substance in their body naturally. Users who inject it into their body, or drink 'ayahuasca,' a DMT variant tribal Amazonians use, can see visions of alien entities interacting with them, seeing alien worlds and spaceships, as well as a hospital room with what looks like advanced machinery surrounding it. Whats even more peculiar about this is that people totally unconnected to each other are having these common visions.

Here is a brief excerpt from the documentary 'The Spirit Molecule'

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMbUr8yZNt0#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMbUr8yZNt0#ws)

What do you guys want to see in this movie? Although I wouldn't mind an Alien-centric theme to the movie, I wouldn't be upset if the story is only loosely tied to the Alien franchise. There is so much more to be told to the masses, in my humble opinion.

No.  Sorry I have nothing else to say.

PLEASE NOT

interesting i just read a similar post on imdb on the same topic.

basically saying that the giant wheel in trailer is part of a biblical story crazy shit.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1446714/board/flat/191896374 (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1446714/board/flat/191896374)

Ok I take it back I have one other thing to say.  People that have died and come back some have actually scene Jesus.  Scientist tired to disprove it as effects caused by loss of blood or oxygen flow to the brain.  In the Air force they produced similar events by causing people to black out.  They had tired to have people experience the same thing that people had that had seen Jesus,  HOWEVER NOT ONE EVER SAW JESUS.   Just something to think about.  ;D

Through the Wormhole with Morgan Freeman "Is There Life After Death?"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vLsPFAYHf8#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vLsPFAYHf8#ws)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m86edsAjHRU#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m86edsAjHRU#ws)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLeaTd7SBmc#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLeaTd7SBmc#ws)

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Personally I would love to have Guyver cross over with Aliens.  They would compliment each other very well.

...How'd it get burned?...Howd IT Get Burned??...HOW''D IT GET BURNED???...TELL ME!!!

There's that other Jack Kirby comic book image of something not too far removed from a space jockey (https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F1.bp.blogspot.com%2F_8sv9gYsuLwc%2FTKaK_DJZD1I%2FAAAAAAAAAaI%2FU-NX9sEM7p4%2Fs1200%2Fkirby.jpg&hash=c05e78a1fdd58baa41117de079c0caf062291ab5)

Weird stuff!..
Just read this post and recalled about three months ago one colleague, who is into the same exoterical ideas of artificial creation of mankind by some upper race, has spotted my laptop's desktop with three Locusta's aliens on it. What he told me, was something like "I wouldn't be so fond of them on your place..." When I asked why, he asserted all this is real.

Touche!
*jaw-dropping scene*

So I'm eager to see the way, how the Prometheus will re-tell the ancient astronaut theory  :)

why does every website i join have to turn into abovetopsecret.com........

all aboard the paranormal train... WOO WOO

HEEEEEEEEELLLLLLLP

Quote from: RICH-ENGLAND on Dec 05, 2011, 01:07:41 AMwhy does every website i join have to turn into abovetopsecret.com...

Spooky!

Ancient alien intervention with humans is a good science fiction plot, but that's about it. The worst thing that could happen is if Prometheus actually refers to some of the so-called 'evidence' touted about by Ancient Alien 'researchers' (ie. Authors), such as showing Inca carvings of supposed rockets or spacesuits, and then tying that to the Space Jockeys. That would absolutely murder it for me.

-Chris.

I think Ridley's more clever than that, or at least more subtle!

Quote from: Valaquen on Dec 05, 2011, 01:34:54 AMI think Ridley's more clever than that, or at least more subtle!

Yes true. At least smart enough to understand the kind of credibility hit the film would take from such an obvious connection.

-Chris.

I can see where the ETI ('ExtraTerrestrial Intervention') hypothesis comes into the story. But what the heck to Near Death Experiences have to do with it?

Quote from: Xenomorphine on Dec 05, 2011, 03:51:40 AMI can see where the ETI ('ExtraTerrestrial Intervention') hypothesis comes into the story. But what the heck to Near Death Experiences have to do with it?

Just another of the disparate threads that get tangled about all paranormal theories. Problem is they never connect in any meaningful way, or make any kind of sense at all. They are just trippy to think about. ;)

As RICH-ENGLAND said: all aboard the paranormal train... WOO WOO!

-Chris.

oh well, i suppose its just a matter of time until this thread changes from paranormal into cgi vs practical effects like every other thread ! lol.

thanks

rich

i really wouldn't mind if Sir Ridley Scott put in an alternative view on the origins of man.

i only mentioned the alien abduction phenomenon as well as psychedelics because in both cases, the user reports meeting with intelligent entities that are non human.

https://www.google.com/search?gcx=c&ie=UTF-8&q=site%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.erowid.org%2Fexperiences%2F+praying+mantis (https://www.google.com/search?gcx=c&ie=UTF-8&q=site%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.erowid.org%2Fexperiences%2F+praying+mantis)

Ancient cave art depicts such entities, such as the cave art found in Sego Canyon Utah, Tassili National Park Algeria, and the Nazca lines in Peru.

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.imagesofanthropology.com%2Fimages%2Fa.rock_art_Sego_canyon_Utah_image_1.jpg&hash=69f06aa2cf1b911818dbbc0b3ea720d26ba017d8)(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.daviddarling.info%2Fimages%2FTassili.jpg&hash=32a537e39f515faaa0cdb8865da1a7476be10523)(https://www.peruadventurestours.com/Images/human.jpg)

Researchers like Graham Hancock believe that ancient shamans drew this cave art depicting the altered state of consciousness, or psychedelic state they were in through the digestion of a mixture of plants.

In this alerted state of consciousness (ACS), the user can have the ability to control their way in this 'other' realm and observe and retain what they see. Some people report seeing alien eggs like whats shown in the Alien franchise.

This artist rendering is from Slawek Wojtowicz, a frequent user of psychedelics like DMT and yage based plants therapies like 'Ayahuasca' which is prevalent with Amazonians in South America.

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.slawcio.com%2Fhatch.jpg&hash=65c487bd7a28ac830800a8af402712cf2d45a0e0)

One of the most common themes during these trips is seeing praying mantis beings. Ancient Egyptians called them 'the diviners,' and signified as a guide to the afterlife. Its considered good luck in many cultures. Alien abduction accounts observe mantis beings as well.

Amazing Stories February 1937 Cover | District 9
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mactonnies.com%2Fmantisaliens.jpg&hash=3b20c7cb0418623b0439d2dc5412a6f42555bee1)(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fbluraydaily.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2009_district_9_006.jpg&hash=0d580e6a1f6339256cb1f4f193618bea8c753900)

Quote from: droideggs on Dec 03, 2011, 10:58:29 PM
From looking at the production still shots, I can't help but think about the sculptured Face, and the Face on Mars. I'm going to go down the rabbit hole a bit, so please bear with me.

I personally believe that mankind was genetically manipulated by non-humans, and that we are remnants of what could possibly be a superior human race, or some other intelligent entity.

Here is a 1958 comic from Jack Kirby about the Face on Mars. (Published years before Viking I landed on Mars, btw)

http://www.scribd.com/doc/52666560/Jack-Kirby-Face-on-Mars-1958 (http://www.scribd.com/doc/52666560/Jack-Kirby-Face-on-Mars-1958)

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F4.bp.blogspot.com%2F_dx0L3lBKTM8%2FTNGTRKuP32I%2FAAAAAAAAAE0%2FYn239qr-lb4%2Fs1600%2Fcroppedpage.jpg&hash=7df1cbcd030baf5c0338a4bc5d0842a79a4dff58)

I know many here are fans of the Alien franchise, however, I would not mind seeing an original story from the great director Sir Ridley Scott include themes from Ancient Astronaut theory.

One of the theories of the origins of mankind is that we are hybrids from the Star Gods (aka ET beings). Alien abductees claim they have been inside of what looked like an alien hospital with advanced machinery surrounding it, as well as being shown 'hybrid' babies by these entities that look half human, half reptilian. Insectoid beings like praying mantis's were also seen during these abductions. John E. Mack, Harvard Professor of Psychiatry and Pulitzer Prize Winner investigated these claims initially to debunk them, but found himself in agreement with the phenomenon.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_E._Mack (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_E._Mack)

Here is a documentary about John E. Mack's works on the Alien Abduction Phenomenon. Sadly he died in 2004 from a drunk driver.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xTQ2-S1n-Q#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xTQ2-S1n-Q#ws)

Another corroboration are from users who take psychedelics like 'DMT,' which is a naturally occurring substance that is secreted from your brain. Many plants and mammals have this substance in their body naturally. Users who inject it into their body, or drink 'ayahuasca,' a DMT variant tribal Amazonians use, can see visions of alien entities interacting with them, seeing alien worlds and spaceships, as well as a hospital room with what looks like advanced machinery surrounding it. Whats even more peculiar about this is that people totally unconnected to each other are having these common visions.

Here is a brief excerpt from the documentary 'The Spirit Molecule'

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMbUr8yZNt0#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMbUr8yZNt0#ws)

What do you guys want to see in this movie? Although I wouldn't mind an Alien-centric theme to the movie, I wouldn't be upset if the story is only loosely tied to the Alien franchise. There is so much more to be told to the masses, in my humble opinion.

Alien abduction, humans beeing created by Aliens etc... sounds like Religion but even worse. No interest on it at all. Not even in a movie, thats my main concern about Prometheus Plot...

its a science fiction film


science ....... FICTION


the movie having elements of ancient astronauts effects the story and characters in no way what so ever.

now if it's a poorly written story that's totally different.

I know is SCI FI, its just that this idea of humans beeing created by aliens its, in my opinion, lame, in fiction and in real life. No way I am interested in it.

Quote from: Tough little S.O.B. on Dec 05, 2011, 09:09:00 AM
I know is SCI FI, its just that this idea of humans beeing created by aliens its, in my opinion, lame, in fiction and in real life. No way I am interested in it.

are you an atheist?

http://deskofbrian.com/2011/07/ridley-scott-discusses-space-jockey-prometheus/ (http://deskofbrian.com/2011/07/ridley-scott-discusses-space-jockey-prometheus/) Yep, Ridley Scott has said that the movie is influenced by the creator of the Ancient Astronaut Theory.. Erich Von Daniken

It would be interesting to find out if he personaly truly believes this mad mad mad theory....

Quote from: Blacklabel on Dec 05, 2011, 09:17:50 AM
http://deskofbrian.com/2011/07/ridley-scott-discusses-space-jockey-prometheus/ (http://deskofbrian.com/2011/07/ridley-scott-discusses-space-jockey-prometheus/) Yep, Ridley Scott has said that the movie is influenced by the creator of the Ancient Astronaut Theory.. Erich Von Daniken

It would be interesting to find out if he personaly truly believes this mad mad mad theory....

i don't think it has anything to do with his beliefs i think he is just banking on the popularity of the theory, and by linking it to mythology he latches on to timeless stories that have a great track record because they have lasted centuries.

Quote from: Pn2501 on Dec 05, 2011, 09:14:32 AM

Quote from: Tough little S.O.B. on Dec 05, 2011, 09:09:00 AM
I know is SCI FI, its just that this idea of humans beeing created by aliens its, in my opinion, lame, in fiction and in real life. No way I am interested in it.

are you an atheist?

100%

'Mantis'-type entities are reported during abductions (at which point, it depends whether you feel there's enough evidence to convince you it's a literal experience or something else), but 'Prometheus' is very unlikely to feature anything like them.

In fact, I doubt it's going to include any UFOlogy 'lore', whatsoever. It's just using the 'interventionist' hypothesis as a springboard for its own unique story.

However... I've always found it interesting that LV-426 is set here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeta_Reticuli (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeta_Reticuli)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stars_and_planetary_systems_in_fiction#Zeta_Reticuli (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stars_and_planetary_systems_in_fiction#Zeta_Reticuli)

For reasons of it being the system allegedly imparted to Betty and Barney Hill, during their famous abduction case, as where their abductors apparently came from. I won't bore anyone with the details here, but if anyone's interested:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barney_and_Betty_Hill (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barney_and_Betty_Hill)

So, yeah, it's feasible to include UFOlogy stuff in the 'Alien' franchise for that reason - but not very likely. :)

Would be interested if that case was what prompted the original writers to make it Acheron's location, however...

Whatever the case, so long as they make it good and entertaining, I don't mind what they base the story on.

Quote from: Pn2501 on Dec 05, 2011, 09:22:58 AM
i don't think it has anything to do with his beliefs i think he is just banking on the popularity of the theory

Maybe. Maybe not. I guess we'll find out when the promotion train for this movie reaches it's full speed  ;)

Quote from: Xenomorphine on Dec 05, 2011, 09:51:17 AMHowever... I've always found it interesting that LV-426 is set here

There is no doubt that the Betty and Barney Hill story and the work of Erich von Daniken were inspirations for the minds behind Alien. They are and remain to be highly popular ideas that will never go away... there is no escaping them; they have become as ingrained into western culture as deeply as the idea that the Great Wall of China is the only man-made structure visible from the Moon, or that the seasons are a result of the Earth's elongated orbit around the sun.

Scott will take our tendency to lazily accept such ridiculous theories and say 'hey, you really wanna know about ancient aliens? well, here it is... f**ked up... right?'.

-Chris.

Quote from: ChrisPachi on Dec 05, 2011, 12:20:33 PM

Quote from: Xenomorphine on Dec 05, 2011, 09:51:17 AMHowever... I've always found it interesting that LV-426 is set here

There is no doubt that the Betty and Barney Hill story and the work of Erich von Daniken were inspirations for the minds behind Alien. They are and remain to be highly popular ideas that will never go away... there is no escaping them; they have become as ingrained into western culture as deeply as the idea that the Great Wall of China is the only man-made structure visible from the Moon, or that the seasons are a result of the Earth's elongated orbit around the sun.

Scott will take our tendency to lazily accept such ridiculous theories and say 'hey, you really wanna know about ancient aliens? well, here it is... f**ked up... right?'.

-Chris.

Totally agree, I don't believe These elements are coincidental.

Quote from: Xenomorphine on Dec 05, 2011, 09:51:17 AM

So, yeah, it's feasible to include UFOlogy stuff in the 'Alien' franchise for that reason - but not very likely. :)

Would be interested if that case was what prompted the original writers to make it Acheron's location, however...

Dan had an interest in UFOlogy and the Betty and Barney Hill's abduction scenario was a big discussion point around the time even for scientists like Carl Sagan who wanted to debunk it.  This is my entry on the matter at my AlienExplorations blog http://alienexplorations.blogspot.com/2009/02/galactic-geography-of-alien-however.html (http://alienexplorations.blogspot.com/2009/02/galactic-geography-of-alien-however.html)

Oh wow, this is very interesting.

Quote from: Xenomorphine on Dec 05, 2011, 09:51:17 AM
'Mantis'-type entities are reported during abductions (at which point, it depends whether you feel there's enough evidence to convince you it's a literal experience or something else), but 'Prometheus' is very unlikely to feature anything like them.

In fact, I doubt it's going to include any UFOlogy 'lore', whatsoever. It's just using the 'interventionist' hypothesis as a springboard for its own unique story.

However... I've always found it interesting that LV-426 is set here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeta_Reticuli (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeta_Reticuli)

I do believe that these Mantis beings that are purported to be seen by Alien abductees as well as psychedelic users are a metaphor to the Alien franchise entity itself. They both look insectoid in some way.

I also find it odd that people that are totally unconnected with each other are having common visions. I would have thought all this was crackpot discussion, until I realized that many users report meeting with alien entities either through Out of Body Experiences, Near Death Experiences, or through the use of psychedelics, and in some cases, alien abductions. John E. Mack, Harvard Professor of Psychiatry and Pulitzer Prize Winner did a lengthy study on this phenomenon.

Here is one famous incident where over 60 Zimbabweans saw a UFO land near their playground and saw the entities.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3fR3jTiPc8#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3fR3jTiPc8#ws)

I do find it similarly striking that the Aliens in the movie have enlarged heads, similar to the elongated heads of the Pharaonic times of Ancient Egypt.

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi135.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fq153%2Flocusta_album%2FGiger_Alien_teaser01.jpg&hash=83ba5e41d49bfad9722d9281515136785003ce96)(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FbCL38.jpg&hash=82f011893be4b4b9cef1ed0feb8c1de916faa22c)

Quote from: droideggs on Dec 05, 2011, 05:00:41 PM

Quote from: Xenomorphine on Dec 05, 2011, 09:51:17 AM
'Mantis'-type entities are reported during abductions (at which point, it depends whether you feel there's enough evidence to convince you it's a literal experience or something else), but 'Prometheus' is very unlikely to feature anything like them.

In fact, I doubt it's going to include any UFOlogy 'lore', whatsoever. It's just using the 'interventionist' hypothesis as a springboard for its own unique story.

However... I've always found it interesting that LV-426 is set here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeta_Reticuli (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeta_Reticuli)

I do believe that these Mantis beings that are purported to be seen by Alien abductees as well as psychedelic users are a metaphor to the Alien franchise entity itself. They both look insectoid in some way.

I also find it odd that people that are totally unconnected with each other are having common visions. I would have thought all this was crackpot discussion, until I realized that many users report meeting with alien entities either through Out of Body Experiences, Near Death Experiences, or through the use of psychedelics, and in some cases, alien abductions. John E. Mack, Harvard Professor of Psychiatry and Pulitzer Prize Winner did a lengthy study on this phenomenon.

Here is one famous incident where over 60 Zimbabweans saw a UFO land near their playground and saw the entities.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3fR3jTiPc8#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3fR3jTiPc8#ws)

I do find it similarly striking that the Aliens in the movie have enlarged heads, similar to the elongated heads of the Pharaonic times of Ancient Egypt.

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi135.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fq153%2Flocusta_album%2FGiger_Alien_teaser01.jpg&hash=83ba5e41d49bfad9722d9281515136785003ce96)(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FbCL38.jpg&hash=82f011893be4b4b9cef1ed0feb8c1de916faa22c)

I attribute that to the idea of the collective unconscious, and how the telephone, steam train, and integrated circuit were invented at around the same time by different people, and the idea of a motif and why it works.

Yes, well... We all know why Giger truly elongated the Alien heads, don't we? ;)

Quote from: Xenomorphine on Dec 05, 2011, 09:13:45 PM
Yes, well... We all know why Giger truly elongated the Alien heads, don't we? ;)

where did he get his inspiration from? Curious to know.

What I did find interesting was that the original Alien in the first of the series had a more human quality to it, like therianthropes of ancient cultures (Half human half animal hybrid).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Therianthrope (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Therianthrope)

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fupload.wikimedia.org%2Fwikipedia%2Fcommons%2Fthumb%2F3%2F34%2FEgypte_louvre_031.jpg%2F200px-Egypte_louvre_031.jpg&hash=94c07da8e39b7b5b980c35ea28cdc7d06bfb5c19)(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fupload.wikimedia.org%2Fwikipedia%2Fen%2Fb%2Fb0%2FHrgigeralien.jpg&hash=a5f4eab2843798dbf4ec85dce500417b7c99007a)

What I found even more interesting was that people who ingest psychedelics like DMT see these same entities interacting with them in another realm.

Cave art depicts therianthropes quite often, from various parts of the world. (either half human half mammalian, or half insectoid, like the praying mantis)

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.freewebs.com%2Fmaloti%2FBattle%2520Cave%2520flying%2520therianthropes.jpg&hash=7e6d69b0de80dbd89dc84a13d3e44baedb984ad4)


Here is a rendering from a DMT user who observe mantis beings in the 'hyperspace' realm.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.slawcio.com%2Ftowe11.jpg&hash=0ff8fb3f52ebc90e07d3fdfb188462ff697a6a4e)

One can easily get to this 'realm' either through meditation, lucid dreaming, or by ingesting psychedelics like DMT, Ayahuasca, or LSD.

You can check out what psychonautics observe during these trips to the 'hyperspace' realm here on Erowid

http://www.google.com/search?gcx=c&ie=UTF-8&q=site%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.erowid.org%2Fexperiences%2F+praying+mantis (http://www.google.com/search?gcx=c&ie=UTF-8&q=site%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.erowid.org%2Fexperiences%2F+praying+mantis)

Quote from: droideggs on Dec 05, 2011, 11:11:33 PM

Quote from: Xenomorphine on Dec 05, 2011, 09:13:45 PM
Yes, well... We all know why Giger truly elongated the Alien heads, don't we? ;)

where did he get his inspiration from? Curious to know.

Look at Giger's art...

The Alien was designed as a huge walking personification of sexuality and genitalia. The skull is literally meant to represent a phallus. It's part of what makes the Alien so disturbing for people to look at for the first time.

Nothing to do with ETs, I'm afraid. The guy just thought, "Let's make its head into a giant penis." It's really as simple as that. :)

Quote from: Xenomorphine on Dec 05, 2011, 11:35:42 PM

Quote from: droideggs on Dec 05, 2011, 11:11:33 PM

Quote from: Xenomorphine on Dec 05, 2011, 09:13:45 PM
Yes, well... We all know why Giger truly elongated the Alien heads, don't we? ;)

where did he get his inspiration from? Curious to know.

Look at Giger's art...

The Alien was designed as a huge walking personification of sexuality and genitalia. The skull is literally meant to represent a phallus. It's part of what makes the Alien so disturbing for people to look at for the first time.

Nothing to do with ETs, I'm afraid. The guy just thought, "Let's make its head into a giant penis." It's really as simple as that. :)

I do find it interesting to note that per wikipedia entry on H.R. Giger,

QuoteHe blames Salvador Dali and Timothy Leary for inspiring him "through various masturbatory yoga techniques and forced sessions of listening to music by the Doors" to commit the artistic atrocities that he sometimes calls paintings, sometimes calls sculptures, "depending on the mood." His art seems to be inspired by a colorblind person having a bad acid trip.

Timothy Leary was an avid proponent of psychedelics for THERAPEUTIC purposes. I'm not surprised that is where he gets his inspiration from. Same with Salvador Dali. His works of art are very psychedelic in nature.

Additionally, in this 'hyperspace' realm, users report having sexual relations with these intelligent entities. I gotta say, I wonder where H.R Giger went through his 'travels.' :)

Dear God, I feel I've woken up in 1985...

Quote from: ChrisPachi on Dec 05, 2011, 01:32:03 AM

Quote from: RICH-ENGLAND on Dec 05, 2011, 01:07:41 AMwhy does every website i join have to turn into abovetopsecret.com...

Ancient alien intervention with humans is a good science fiction plot, but that's about it.

Isn't the entire Alien franchise science fiction though?

Quote from: AlexVelez on Dec 06, 2011, 03:43:14 AM

Quote from: ChrisPachi on Dec 05, 2011, 01:32:03 AM

Quote from: RICH-ENGLAND on Dec 05, 2011, 01:07:41 AMwhy does every website i join have to turn into abovetopsecret.com...

Ancient alien intervention with humans is a good science fiction plot, but that's about it.

Isn't the entire Alien franchise science fiction though?

nope its clearly future history  :)

Quote from: Pn2501 on Dec 06, 2011, 03:58:48 AM

Quote from: AlexVelez on Dec 06, 2011, 03:43:14 AM

Quote from: ChrisPachi on Dec 05, 2011, 01:32:03 AM

Quote from: RICH-ENGLAND on Dec 05, 2011, 01:07:41 AMwhy does every website i join have to turn into abovetopsecret.com...

Ancient alien intervention with humans is a good science fiction plot, but that's about it.

Isn't the entire Alien franchise science fiction though?

nope its clearly future history  :)

If that's the case then I'm frightened. lmao

heh no need to be frightened. The Powers That Be have been pulling the chains for thousands of years. I'm quite sure they have been helping us evolve throughout mankind. That or its the complete opposite.

They want to keep us here on Earth. Which, if true, I wouldn't completely disagree. Mankind is selfish, wreak havoc on our planet, and initiate wars over differences in opinions. Add to that the plausibility that mankind was one button away from mutually assured destruction.

i'm more afraid of mankind itself, than the plausibility of intelligent entities offworld.

Quote from: droideggs on Dec 06, 2011, 04:46:58 AM
heh no need to be frightened. The Powers That Be have been pulling the chains for thousands of years. I'm quite sure they have been helping us evolve throughout mankind. That or its the complete opposite.

They want to keep us here on Earth. Which, if true, I wouldn't completely disagree. Mankind is selfish, wreak havoc on our planet, and initiate wars over differences in opinions. Add to that the plausibility that mankind was one button away from mutually assured destruction.

i'm more afraid of mankind itself, than the plausibility of intelligent entities offworld.

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fforums.randi.org%2Fimagehosting%2F228454824dd7b58252.gif&hash=6a4b82246ce176b7a3eb3752e8add2232c9c8f04)

Calm down Mr Jones.  :)

Quote from: Pn2501 on Dec 06, 2011, 07:23:29 AM

Quote from: droideggs on Dec 06, 2011, 04:46:58 AM
heh no need to be frightened. The Powers That Be have been pulling the chains for thousands of years. I'm quite sure they have been helping us evolve throughout mankind. That or its the complete opposite.

They want to keep us here on Earth. Which, if true, I wouldn't completely disagree. Mankind is selfish, wreak havoc on our planet, and initiate wars over differences in opinions. Add to that the plausibility that mankind was one button away from mutually assured destruction.

i'm more afraid of mankind itself, than the plausibility of intelligent entities offworld.

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/228454824dd7b58252.gif

Calm down Mr Jones.  :)

Sounds like Mr. Icke

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.dailymail.co.uk%2Fi%2Fpix%2F2008%2F07%2F03%2Farticle-0-01D41D5A00000578-930_224x423.jpg&hash=df44a496eb2cfdccced2a98057a481158134d7f1)

Quote from: droideggs on Dec 05, 2011, 11:11:33 PM

where did he get his inspiration from? Curious to know.

Well, Giger incorporates Ancient Egyptian art into his work, such as the final space jockey and seat design was curiously inspired by the "Sokar funerary barge" which I think had always been an inspiration for him, and well he derived inspiration from Dali as well, I suppose one could name a few other artists but Dali is a significant starting point. There's rather a curious drawing that Dali did back in about 1972 of a female with a skull face and an extended cranium in the manner of the Egyptians, extended to such a degree that it needed a crutch to support it and the entity had spines coming out of its back, but I don't know if Giger ever saw that drawing before he started his Necronom series pictures, but Dali's method of extending body parts seems to be an obvious thing. I'd like to find out some picture that might have been an obvious inspiration for Necronom IV but I haven't found something that jumps out in the way his post-Alien painting, Alien Monster IV was a biomechanised picture of Jean Delville's Treasures of Satan


The DALIen. When Dali and Ancient Egypt mix (a Dali illustration for the Dali biography by Ramón Gómez de la Serna). Giger's response to this image a couple of years ago was in general about Dali's art, it was impossible not to be influenced by Dali's art.

(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-lXn5_1Hej5Y/Tt4TPfqihZI/AAAAAAAAA2U/HzG8kZ9rHTg/s657/dalien.jpg)

Always fought they was something very odd with Mr Scott.

Tbh i think he knows there life out there and i think he has seen them.

why else would he be so interested.

I also believe there is other life.

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Quote from: droideggs on Dec 05, 2011, 05:00:41 PM

Quote from: Xenomorphine on Dec 05, 2011, 09:51:17 AM
'Mantis'-type entities are reported during abductions (at which point, it depends whether you feel there's enough evidence to convince you it's a literal experience or something else), but 'Prometheus' is very unlikely to feature anything like them.

In fact, I doubt it's going to include any UFOlogy 'lore', whatsoever. It's just using the 'interventionist' hypothesis as a springboard for its own unique story.

However... I've always found it interesting that LV-426 is set here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeta_Reticuli (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeta_Reticuli)

I do believe that these Mantis beings that are purported to be seen by Alien abductees as well as psychedelic users are a metaphor to the Alien franchise entity itself. They both look insectoid in some way.

I also find it odd that people that are totally unconnected with each other are having common visions. I would have thought all this was crackpot discussion, until I realized that many users report meeting with alien entities either through Out of Body Experiences, Near Death Experiences, or through the use of psychedelics, and in some cases, alien abductions. John E. Mack, Harvard Professor of Psychiatry and Pulitzer Prize Winner did a lengthy study on this phenomenon.

Here is one famous incident where over 60 Zimbabweans saw a UFO land near their playground and saw the entities.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3fR3jTiPc8#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3fR3jTiPc8#ws)

I do find it similarly striking that the Aliens in the movie have enlarged heads, similar to the elongated heads of the Pharaonic times of Ancient Egypt.

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi135.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fq153%2Flocusta_album%2FGiger_Alien_teaser01.jpg&hash=83ba5e41d49bfad9722d9281515136785003ce96)(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FbCL38.jpg&hash=82f011893be4b4b9cef1ed0feb8c1de916faa22c)

"Mantis beings"

you mean The Greys.

I think he means Mantis beings, not Greys. There are actually three forms of aliens described by abductees:

Greys, the most common.
Mantis/insectoids.
Lizards/reptilians.

I don't know where they got it from, but in the movie "The 4th Kind" (I liked the Sumerian language parts, the rest sucked) the aliens are described as looking like owls.

Quote from: Eldritch on Dec 06, 2011, 02:49:59 PM
I think he means Mantis beings, not Greys. There are actually three forms of aliens described by abductees:

Greys, the most common.
Mantis/insectoids.
Lizards/reptilians.

I don't know where they got it from, but in the movie "The 4th Kind" (I liked the Sumerian language parts, the rest sucked) the aliens are described as looking like owls.

I have actually seen a reptilian before when i was younger.

you properly wont believe me but i still have dreams about it now.

Quote from: Eldritch on Dec 06, 2011, 02:49:59 PM
I think he means Mantis beings, not Greys. There are actually three forms of aliens described by abductees:

Greys, the most common.
Mantis/insectoids.
Lizards/reptilians.

I suppose that Mantis like greys have been experienced and Greys have often been described as insectoid and also reptilian.

Quote from: Space Jockey King on Dec 06, 2011, 03:17:49 PM
I have actually seen a reptilian before when i was younger.

you properly wont believe me but i still have dreams about it now.

When I was a kid I was sure I saw Beetlejuice stick his head from a friend's loft. I'm not even joking. Weird.

I am an 100% atheist but that doesn't mean I can't enjoy creationism in fiction as a plot-point. I think it's quite obvious Ridley is going for this "aliens engineered humans" thing, which in my opinion can be awesome if the story, visuals and characters work. It has nothing to do with my own beliefs, it's science-fiction. I just hope the movie isn't too obvious or gives too much answers to it's own story, I hate that. The premise reminds me alot of 2001.

I mean I also think time-travel is impossible but I absolutely love time-travel as a plot-point in science-fiction. If done smart interesting and entertaining of course. It is all about execution.

Quote from: wmmvrrvrrmm on Dec 06, 2011, 12:58:11 PM
Well, Giger incorporates Ancient Egyptian art into his work, such as the final space jockey and seat design was curiously inspired by the "Sokar funerary barge"

Huh... I've just searched for that image and the similarities are really intriguing. Either I never knew about this or had forgotten.

Thanks for that - fascinating.

Dali indirectly invented the Alien... Sounds about right. :)

Quote from: Eldritch on Dec 06, 2011, 02:49:59 PM
I think he means Mantis beings, not Greys.

Yeah, mantis-type physiology is meant to be one of the more common types reported by experiencers.

QuoteThere are actually three forms of aliens described by abductees:

Greys, the most common.
Mantis/insectoids.
Lizards/reptilians.

There are actually a ton more, but they're the most widely reported, yeah. You missed out the really tall blonde Nordics, though. :) Not sure if they've decreased in frequency since the sixties.

QuoteI don't know where they got it from, but in the movie "The 4th Kind" (I liked the Sumerian language parts, the rest sucked) the aliens are described as looking like owls.

Actually, that was based on a real facet from actual abductee reports. It wasn't a literal interpretation. It was meant to infer that the Greys are using some sort of subconscious 'visual distortion' thing, so that the victim kind of only consciously sees/remembers them in that fashion. The brain has curious ways of psychologically hiding things it feels would be damaging to remember and replacing them with a less frightful image (in that case, using an animal known for having large eyes to mentally replace the 'real' memory of the Grey entity).

Whatever your views on it, it can be really disturbing hearing recordings of people recounting their experiences, first-hand... Especially children. I found 'Fourth Kind' to be quite effective at recreating those, in that particular regard.

You'll notice that 'Doctor Who' started to include similar theories in its own stories in the last few years. The abductee stuff, of course, pre-dating that by a long margin, but the Whovian stuff gives it a plausible sort of technological explanation.

Although, they were heavily using the Grey/alien abduction mythos for their recent 'Silence' villains. Combined them with Men In Black-type suits, though, which was an odd choice.

Great topic! I always thought Scott and company had interests in this subject when they created ALIEN. You see all sorts of things. This ancient Sumerian symbol surely got to be the Weylan-Yutani inspiration.

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And then there's this mask or sculpture:

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Quote from: Biomechanoid20 on Dec 06, 2011, 06:26:18 PM
Great topic! I always thought Scott and company had interests in this subject when they created ALIEN. You see all sorts of things. This ancient Sumerian symbol surely got to be the Weylan-Yutani inspiration.

http://www.surfingtheapocalypse.net/pix2/pic183313.jpg

There are parts of the Nostromo that carry an Egyptian vibe. The gold room is probably the most obvious.

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Quote from: Eldritch on Dec 06, 2011, 02:49:59 PM
I think he means Mantis beings, not Greys. There are actually three forms of aliens described by abductees:

Greys, the most common.
Mantis/insectoids.
Lizards/reptilians.

I don't know where they got it from, but in the movie "The 4th Kind" (I liked the Sumerian language parts, the rest sucked) the aliens are described as looking like owls.

I have actually seen a reptilian before when i was younger.

you properly wont believe me but i still have dreams about it now.

I do mean Praying Mantis's. Like the other poster said, abductees and psychedelic users report seeing greys, reptilians, and insectoid looking entities. The most common however, are the greys.

Reptilian phenomenon has been told for ages throughout various cultures. There was a L.A Times (1934) report on purported caves beneath Santa Monica filled with gold. Theorists say that the tunnels belonged to an ancient civilization whose remains are left under the Pacific Ocean. Here is the L.A Times article on this

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/thedailymirror/2009/04/gold-hunters-dig-for-lost-underground-empire-of-the-lizard-people.html (http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/thedailymirror/2009/04/gold-hunters-dig-for-lost-underground-empire-of-the-lizard-people.html)

Additionally, people see these 'entities' while under psychedelics, particularly with DMT, which is a natural substance secreted from our brain, as well as in many plants and animals. Users feel like they are turning into a mantis being, or have sexual relations with these entities. There is a lot of interaction going on with them. Please check out psychedelic reports from Erowid

http://www.google.com/search?gcx=c&ie=UTF-8&q=site%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.erowid.org%2Fexperiences%2F+praying+mantis (http://www.google.com/search?gcx=c&ie=UTF-8&q=site%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.erowid.org%2Fexperiences%2F+praying+mantis)

Quote from: droideggs on Dec 03, 2011, 10:58:29 PM
From looking at the production still shots, I can't help but think about the sculptured Face, and the Face on Mars. I'm going to go down the rabbit hole a bit, so please bear with me.

Do you see a bottom yet?

Disregarding what people believe, I think you're looking to far into this.  But I'm pretty excited about the movie coming out and seeing what Ripley's going to do with it.  Though, I wouldn't be too surprised if he goes down the Ancient Astronaut Theory hole, AvP certainly did, why not continue the same story line?

Quote from: Xenomorphine on Dec 06, 2011, 06:17:16 PM

Huh... I've just searched for that image and the similarities are really intriguing. Either I never knew about this or had forgotten.

Thanks for that - fascinating.

Well Giger never mentioned it, but when I went to see the Egyptian Book of the Dead exhibition at the British Museum, the revelation hit me when I saw a curious image there earlier this year, and it 's known that he's interested in that sort of thing. http://alienexplorations.blogspot.com/2011/01/evolution-of-space-jockey-from-egyptian.html (http://alienexplorations.blogspot.com/2011/01/evolution-of-space-jockey-from-egyptian.html)

Quote from: wmmvrrvrrmm on Dec 06, 2011, 07:40:44 PM

Quote from: Xenomorphine on Dec 06, 2011, 06:17:16 PM

Huh... I've just searched for that image and the similarities are really intriguing. Either I never knew about this or had forgotten.

Thanks for that - fascinating.

Well Giger never mentioned it, but when I went to see the Egyptian Book of the Dead exhibition at the British Museum, the revelation hit me when I saw a curious image there earlier this year, and it 's known that he's interested in that sort of thing. http://alienexplorations.blogspot.com/2011/01/evolution-of-space-jockey-from-egyptian.html (http://alienexplorations.blogspot.com/2011/01/evolution-of-space-jockey-from-egyptian.html)

wow thanks for this link. adding into OP. this pretty much solidifies the theory that Giger got at least some of his creativity from ancient egyptian art, imho.

Quote from: droideggs on Dec 06, 2011, 08:04:26 PM


wow thanks for this link. adding into OP. this pretty much solidifies the theory that Giger got at least some of his creativity from ancient egyptian art, imho.

Well, he painted his bedroom in Egyptian hieroglyphs as a youngster. It does appear to be one of his every day starting points to be inspired by ancient Egyptian art. They had to stop him from making his contributions to Alien too reminiscent of the ancient Egyptians.

Thanks for the ALIENEXPLORATION blog link really really great work.

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This guy is going to have some really awesome hair next season of Ancient Aliens if this is true.

it's gonna be a perfectly shaped afro with an antena dish on the back, spiked rings around it like the singularity drive in the event horizon and all sorts of alternating color lights. and a milipede will live curled up inside of it.

anything else to add related to ancient astronaut theory besides trolling on the thread?

The thread is fine. Two joke posts doesn't constitute a derailing. Let's keep the thread going and keep it relevant if we can.

Quote from: droideggs on Dec 06, 2011, 11:17:19 PM
anything else to add related to ancient astronaut theory besides trolling on the thread?

don't think so.

it worries me a little because this subject is not easy to approach on a serious context. i'd really prefer to never, at any point of the movie, know more than the characters do. there's this whole mess of structures and freaky stuff they find and explore and then the rest of the plot unfolds. i want it all to be hinted at then left in the air just like what was done in alien, except with much more to draw from.

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Quote from: droideggs on Dec 06, 2011, 11:17:19 PM
anything else to add related to ancient astronaut theory besides trolling on the thread?

it worries me a little because this subject is not easy to approach on a serious context. i'd really prefer to never, at any point of the movie, know more than the characters do. there's this whole mess of structures and freaky stuff they find and explore and then the rest of the plot unfolds. i want it all to be hinted at then left in the air just like what was done in alien, except with much more to draw from.

Ahhhhhhhh, a fan of 'tabula rasa', always my favorite way to enter a cinema!
You know, there was some writer who used this as the title to some episode of some long-running TV series....

...WHAT was his name?!

Didnt Lindelof actually say that they audience would know more then the characters of the film? That sorta has me worried a bit. The beauty of Alien is that we were discovering as they were discovering. We'll see how this plays out I guess.

Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Dec 06, 2011, 11:58:08 PM...the audience would know more then the characters of the film?

With all good thrillers the audience does at times know more than the characters do, at least in that it's behind you sort of way. I always loved the twist into the fourth act of Alien, where after blowing up the ship we cut to Ripley faffing about in the shuttle, and intrinsically know that something ain't right. Similarly, we know it's a really bad idea to look into an open alien egg, but by god they do it anyway.

Hopefully this is what Lindelof meant. The other possibility is that the film will comprise of several sub-plots, all intertwined but occurring in different places, which will be new as it doesn't really happen in any of the other Alien films.

-Chris.

Quote from: ChrisPachi on Dec 07, 2011, 07:21:54 AM

Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Dec 06, 2011, 11:58:08 PM...the audience would know more then the characters of the film?

With all good thrillers the audience does at times know more than the characters do, at least in that it's behind you sort of way. I always loved the twist into the fourth act of Alien, where after blowing up the ship we cut to Ripley faffing about in the shuttle, and intrinsically know that something ain't right. Similarly, we know it is a bad idea to look into an open alien egg, but by god they do it anyway.

Hopefully this is what Lindelof meant. The other possibility is that the film will comprise of several sub-plots, all intertwined but occurring in different places, which will be new as it doesn't really happen in any of the other Alien films.

-Chris.

Lindelof also said you will leave the cinema with more questions than answers, hopefully its not question's in the ilk of "wtf was this shit?"

Quote from: Pn2501 on Dec 07, 2011, 07:28:13 AMLindelof also said you will leave the cinema with more questions than answers, hopefully its a not question's in the ilk of "wtf was this shit?"

Indeed. I remember walking out of the cinema after Battle Royale 2 and only have one word in my my mind...

Oops.

-Chris.

Quote from: Engineer1 on Dec 06, 2011, 09:16:34 PM
Thanks for the ALIENEXPLORATION blog link really really great work.

Thanks!

Just sayin'.

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cool. you just reposted the same old meme from yesteryear. congrats! welcome to 2009!

first post too.

I'm watching Ancient Aliens Season 3 Episode 6 right and now.....get this, it's titled "Aliens & Ancient Engineers".

Personally I don't buy this ancient astronaut theory at the moment, but I do find it highly fascinating. Especially stuff like Norman Bergrun's ideas on these massive extraterrestrial cylindrical vehicles stationed at Saturn's rings.

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Theres videos of him talking about this stuff. Worth at least a watch while we all wait for the Prometheus trailer.  :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5HhWrcMMKI# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5HhWrcMMKI#)

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It think Bergun's idea would make a great sci-fi movie (in style of 2001) where we take a ship to the rings and study the gigantic vehicles (insert crazy shit happening afterwards).

I saw in the news a few days ago that they spoted a cilindrical moving thing in the orbit of mercury :laugh:

Quote from: tonyt2000 on Dec 07, 2011, 11:51:29 PM
Just sayin'.
http://troll.me/images/ancient-aliens-guy/im-not-saying-it-was-aliens-but-it-was-aliens.jpg

:laugh:

... I thought that was funny. Got the guy in one.

-Chris

Thank you.  Sorry if I didn't take the time to update my meme, I'll get right on that.  <sarcasm>Lord knows I don't want to be stuck in 2009!</sarcasm>  From what I've read, Ridley has talked many times about the film being influenced by von Daniken's ideas of human development, most recently in the Huffington Post.

Here:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/alejandro-rojas/ridley-scotts-new-alien-m_b_1124808.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/alejandro-rojas/ridley-scotts-new-alien-m_b_1124808.html)

Keep up the great posts, it's been a blast reading everyone's thoughts, theories, and ruminations, all from peeps as excited as I am for this film. I simply cannot wait until June...

Quote from: zuzuki on Dec 08, 2011, 11:46:16 AM
I saw in the news a few days ago that they spoted a cilindrical moving thing in the orbit of mercury :laugh:

Space brother motherships. They come in peace and will arrive en masse for 2012.

i watch ancient aliens just out of interest and curiosity and also because it shows a lot of interesting places etc

BUT, the show makes me extremely angry at times because of its totally unbalanced and biased approach, the only people they have on there are clueless authors and delusional fantasists, it would be far better if they also had real scientists, archaeologists and engineers etc to offer the other side of the story and debate it...

a lot of things they have offered as "evidence" have been misleading or totally untrue, a lot of facts that dont fit their view are ignored but dont let facts get in the way of a good story eh? lol..

georgio tsakoulas' leaps of faith and downright jumping to completely illogical conclusions is laughable and embarrassing, but the worst thing about the show is that its shown on the history channel!. the history channel should be showing real history or at least a balanced approach as many people that dont know any better might take it as fact when its far from.

eric von daniken didnt even believe his own stuff at one point, i think hes changed his view again now hes got a show to be on......

so from my point of view, i hope prometheus doesnt go too far basing its story on this stuff as most of its total crap....

thanks

rich

Couldn't agree more with everything that you said RICH. The show is laughable, but maybe that was the intention. The History Channel is anything but - it's just cheap entertainment. No credibility at all.

Quote from: RICH-ENGLAND on Dec 09, 2011, 05:34:28 PMit would be far better if they also had real scientists, archaeologists and engineers etc to offer the other side of the story and debate it

They do sometimes, but the screen time they get is about 1% compared to all of the other quacks.

-Chris

Quote from: ChrisPachi on Dec 09, 2011, 09:42:22 PM
Couldn't agree more with everything that you said RICH. The show is laughable, but maybe that was the intention. The History Channel is anything but - it's just cheap entertainment. No credibility at all.

Quote from: RICH-ENGLAND on Dec 09, 2011, 05:34:28 PMit would be far better if they also had real scientists, archaeologists and engineers etc to offer the other side of the story and debate it

They do sometimes, but the screen time they get is about 1% compared to all of the other quacks.

-Chris

just an example of their "evidence", the Vaimanika Sastra that they claim is an ancient indian scripture that gives diagrams of the vimana "spaceships" is a complete fabrication, it only appeared in 1952 and was produced by "psychic channeling" and "automatic writing"??? wtf, gimme a break lmao.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaimanika_Shastra (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaimanika_Shastra)

and people actually believe this rubbish!.

thanks

rich

Yes that's a classic. It means that the proponents on Ancient Alien Theory that tout this kind of thing about as evidence are either illiterate morons or snake oil salesmen. I am guessing the latter, but the former is also likely. ;)

-Chris.

Quote from: tonyt2000 on Dec 07, 2011, 11:51:29 PM
Just sayin'.

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Lol someone posted this on another board.

Quote from: Pn2501 on Dec 10, 2011, 05:18:07 PM
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Lol someone posted this on another board.

fukken saved

Quote from: Pn2501 on Dec 10, 2011, 05:18:07 PM
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Lol someone posted this on another board.

:laugh: nice.

Prometheus might based on ancient astronaut theory.  Do you think that people will want to start a religion based on the concepts in Prometheus after it comes out?  Sort of like how L. Ron Hubbard made a religion from his book Dianetics for Scientology?

er, no....

but there are a few fanboys out there that protect a movie theyve not seen yet with religious fanaticism! lol

thanks

rich

Ehm...no  :-X

No way but a sect maybe.
I hope they will start a food franchise based on the movie tho.

Please, don't make a jumble of religion and sci fi...

And strictly on the topic, well, you know, there always can be found zealots to worship something... the question remains only, who actually needs it to make film's concept into religion.  :)

w t f

Quote from: Blacklabel on Dec 11, 2011, 01:41:46 AM
w t f

agreed. ash, can i have some of what youre on? lol

thanks

rich

Merged whacky "Prometheus as a religion" thread with whacky "Prometheus Ancient Astronaut" thread. May God have mercy on your boards.

Quote from: Valaquen on Dec 11, 2011, 03:34:08 AM
Merged whacky "Prometheus as a religion" thread with whacky "Prometheus Ancient Astronaut" thread. May God have mercy on your boards.

how is it considered whacky when Gieger's inspiration comes from Ancient Egyptian themes? I'm looking forward to the movie, whether it will be based on ancient astronaut theory or not.

Just to repeat, I don't consider 'ancient astronaut theory' DNA to be a part of the movie plot as 'whacky.' Sir Ridley Scott said so himself. Its already been confirmed that none of the Aliens in the first trilogy would be reprising their roles in this film.

QuoteEGE: The official synopsis from Fox says that this revolves around the "Alien Gods", the "Space Jockey" from the first film.

RS: Yeah, so there you have that.

Ancient astronauts is just wonderful story much like the bible was. Kind of like what we do to all of the movies we watch. Try to make sense where there is no sense to be made.

Prometheus will probably be more like Akira's mutant I'm hoping.

Quote from: droideggs on Jan 10, 2012, 12:10:03 AMJust to repeat, I don't consider 'ancient astronaut theory' DNA to be a part of the movie plot as 'whacky.'

How about "trite"?
::)

Quote from: droideggs on Jan 10, 2012, 12:10:03 AMSir Ridley Scott said so himself.

Well, then, alright! If Scott said so about his own film, then it must not be wacky!

Quote from: whiterabbit on Jan 10, 2012, 12:40:56 AM
Ancient astronauts is just wonderful story much like the bible was. Kind of like what we do to all of the movies we watch. Try to make sense where there is no sense to be made.

Prometheus will probably be more like Akira's mutant I'm hoping.

if you say so :)

I'm looking forward to seeing ancient astronaut themes in the movie and seeing folks like you shake their head in disgust.

The ancient astronaut theory is as plausible as a 'Christian God in Heaven' story. Science tells us the how but not the why. There has to be a why, matter didn't create itself. I'd like to see this explored.

Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Jan 10, 2012, 01:30:18 AMThere has to be a why, matter didn't create itself. I'd like to see this explored.

There doesn't have to be a "why" about any of that stuff. I just accept that it simply is. To ask "why" there is matter is to engage in terminal navel-gazing.

so space and matter and all of it...just 'is'? There's no beginning...everything just is? I'm not satisfied with that status quo. I'd like to explore the 'what if'

Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Jan 10, 2012, 01:44:31 AMso space and matter and all of it...just 'is'?

I hate to repeat myself...

Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Jan 10, 2012, 01:44:31 AMThere's no beginning...everything just is?

I never said there's no beginning! Where the hell did you get that from?!

Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Jan 10, 2012, 01:44:31 AMI'm not satisfied with that status quo. I'd like to explore the 'what if'

The trouble is that the "why" is subject to opinion, not empirical evidence. Since anyone's guess is as good as the others' when it comes to "why", the quest is pointless. In my previous post, I offered you two simple solutions to your "why" inquiry.

I always like Ancient Alien stories, it always creeps me out or intrigues me. for example, the aliens that know Surmarain (spelling?) in The Fourth Kind creeped me out, but the monolith in 2001: A Space Odyssey deeply intrigues me in a mystifying way.

I wouldn't be disappointed if it was part of the plot of Prometheus, I just hope its done in an original way.

Quote from: evolution_rex on Jan 10, 2012, 02:12:51 AMSurmarain (spelling?)

"Sumerian".

Quote from: evolution_rex on Jan 10, 2012, 02:12:51 AMI wouldn't be disappointed if it was part of the plot of Prometheus, I just hope its done in an original way.

No matter how you slice it, it's still the same thing: Ancient Astronauts, but a different species.

This reminds me of the old gimmick where a different character from different movies, TV shows, novels, whatever, would be responsible for killing Kennedy. Now, it seems like, "No! It was our franchise's aliens that kicked off life on Earth!".

Quote from: maledoro on Jan 10, 2012, 02:24:59 AM]"Sumerian".

Thanks.

QuoteNo matter how you slice it, it's still the same thing: Ancient Astronauts, but a different species.

Not necessarily. There are different religions in the world, different ways they created humanity, and different motives.

Quote from: evolution_rex on Jan 10, 2012, 02:28:58 AMNot necessarily. There are different religions in the world, different ways they created humanity, and different motives.

We're talking about ancient astronauts in sci-fi movies. Aside from a few oddball religions such as $cientology and the Raelians, I have yet to encounter a religion that is based on alien beings in the literal sense.

I was in waterstones recently and came across a set of books about the ancient astronaut theory. It was a few books including Van Danikan , i was very intrigued i think the bookset was about thirty pounds, am gonna see if i can find it anywhere cheaper online, the book set was massive though. i'm so looking forward to see what Scott has come up with, and imagine all the special features that could potentially be on the blu ray, scotts commentaries are great and he always talks openly.I think we're in for something very special.

Quote from: maledoro on Jan 10, 2012, 02:33:11 AM
We're talking about ancient astronauts in sci-fi movies. Aside from a few oddball religions such as $cientology and the Raelians, I have yet to encounter a religion that is based on alien beings in the literal sense.

That's not what I mean. I'm saying, they could make a movie about the Christian God being an alien and another movie about the Greek Gods and Goddesses being aliens, and they'd be totally different movies. Usually ancient alien movies revolve around Egyptian mythology or some ancient Babylonian mythology. Depending on what religion it is, the alien could look and act a certain way. Make sense?

Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Jan 10, 2012, 01:30:18 AM
The ancient astronaut theory is as plausible as a 'Christian God in Heaven' story. Science tells us the how but not the why. There has to be a why, matter didn't create itself. I'd like to see this explored.

No, I would respectfully argue that they are completely different.  Visitation by "ancient alien astronauts" has at least the ability to be scientifically studied...for example, finding compelling evidence in artifacts and archaeological digs.  This falls within the realm of Science.

Faith and Belief in the existence of God, and Christ is not based on physical Science, and is not subject to scientific methods.  It is outside of the purview of Science...and transcends it.  Truths and facts about our physical Universe are the arena of Science.  Moral truths related to our existence and purpose are revealed to us (for those who do believe) through Scripture as well as Divine insight via the Holy Spirit.

St. Thomas Aquinas fully explored the relationship between physical science and natural theology...and the compatibility between the two (they are not mutually exclusive). 

Quote"To one who has faith, no explanation is necessary. To one without faith, no explanation is possible."
― Thomas Aquinas

Quote from: Wobblyboddle77 on Jan 10, 2012, 02:41:48 AMI was in waterstones recently and came across a set of books about the ancient astronaut theory. It was a few books including Van Danikan , i was very intrigued i think the bookset was about thirty pounds, am gonna see if i can find it anywhere cheaper online, the book set was massive though.

Pay as little as possible for it.

Quote from: deuterium on Jan 10, 2012, 04:31:33 AMNo, I would respectfully argue that they are completely different.  Visitation by "ancient alien astronauts" has at least the ability to be scientifically studied...for example, finding compelling evidence in artifacts and archaeological digs.  This falls within the realm of Science.

And since the evidence for it was ambiguity and all other evidence is contrary, it does not fall within the realm of Science, but Pseudoscience.

Quote from: deuterium on Jan 10, 2012, 04:31:33 AMFaith and Belief in the existence of God, and Christ is not based on physical Science, and is not subject to scientific methods.

Only the moralistic stuff isn't. Anything that has to do with reality in the physical realm is subject to testing.

Quote from: deuterium on Jan 10, 2012, 04:31:33 AMIt is outside of the purview of Science...and transcends it.

And since it isn't a part of it, there is no way you can know its existence, nor can one say "God did it!" when it comes to changes in our physical world.

Quote from: deuterium on Jan 10, 2012, 04:31:33 AMTruths and facts about our physical Universe are the arena of Science.  Moral truths related to our existence and purpose are revealed to us (for those who do believe) through Scripture as well as Divine insight via the Holy Spirit.

That means they are mutually exclusive.

Quote from: deuterium on Jan 10, 2012, 04:31:33 AMSt. Thomas Aquinas fully explored the relationship between physical science and natural theology

To the best of his 13th Century knowledge. The Scientific Method wasn't even created yet. If Aquinas was here today, he'd only attract those on the religious and pseudoscientific fringe.

Quote from: deuterium on Jan 10, 2012, 04:31:33 AM...and the compatibility between the two (they are not mutually exclusive).

You can't say that religion can't be tested scientifically and then turn around and say Religion and Science are not mutually exclusive.

Quote from: deuterium on Jan 10, 2012, 04:31:33 AM

Quote"To one who has faith, no explanation is necessary. To one without faith, no explanation is possible."
― Thomas Aquinas

Or so he thought. The more knowledge proceeds, the more God recedes.

The god that's taught in world religions recedes ;)

Quote from: droideggs on Jan 10, 2012, 01:30:07 AM
I'm looking forward to seeing ancient astronaut themes in the movie and seeing folks like you shake their head in disgust.

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sorry for quoting myself, but i think it fits better in this thread, than the trailer thread's.
pls not bash me that hard - this post is provocative, in every sense. at least for all the orthodox-minded people.

ps: i never sucked erich von däniken's cock!

Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Jan 10, 2012, 01:30:18 AM
The ancient astronaut theory is as plausible as a 'Christian God in Heaven' story. Science tells us the how but not the why. There has to be a why, matter didn't create itself. I'd like to see this explored.

The ET interventionist hypothesis has nothing to do with how matter was initially created. :)

Lovecraftian myths, however, do... Which is what the 'Alien' films have more to do with than anything else. Just not in the interdimensional sense - yet. I'd say the first 'Hellboy' film explores those themes a bit more literally, but I wouldn't be averse to a much darker, more realistic inclusion of them in 'Prometheus' - if done right.

Agreed Xeno!  The exploration of the beginning of matter, who or what began it is an infinite that I love pondering even though I won't ever have the answer.

Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Jan 10, 2012, 01:55:27 PMThe god that's taught in world religions recedes ;)

That would be all of them.

Quote from: Kol on Jan 10, 2012, 01:57:16 PMps: i never sucked erich von däniken's cock!

Phallus Dei is more like it.

Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Jan 10, 2012, 04:25:12 PMAgreed Xeno!  The exploration of the beginning of matter, who or what began it is an infinite that I love pondering even though I won't ever have the answer.

There are physics books that cover this and are entertaining...

Maledoro has returned to the Alien (universe) related boards!

Quote from: Xenomorphine on Jan 10, 2012, 04:10:47 PM
Lovecraftian myths, however, do... Which is what the 'Alien' films have more to do with than anything else. Just not in the interdimensional sense - yet. I'd say the first 'Hellboy' film explores those themes a bit more literally, but I wouldn't be averse to a much darker, more realistic inclusion of them in 'Prometheus' - if done right.

I could hug you.

Quote from: OmegaZilla on Jan 10, 2012, 09:39:39 PM
Maledoro has returned to the Alien (universe) related boards!

Quote from: Xenomorphine on Jan 10, 2012, 04:10:47 PM
Lovecraftian myths, however, do... Which is what the 'Alien' films have more to do with than anything else. Just not in the interdimensional sense - yet. I'd say the first 'Hellboy' film explores those themes a bit more literally, but I wouldn't be averse to a much darker, more realistic inclusion of them in 'Prometheus' - if done right.

I could hug you.

What he said. I`m open for ancient ones with lots of tentacles. And I don`t care how this sounds  :P

Classy dark gods are always great, biomechanical or not  ;)

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Quote from: Master on Jan 10, 2012, 10:04:40 PM
Classy dark gods are always great, biomechanical or not  ;)
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MY EYES! THE GOGGLES DO NUZZING! :o.... Dark Overlord? Howard the Duck? Classy does not belong in the same sentence as either of those things.

Quote from: Xenomorphine on Jan 10, 2012, 04:10:47 PMThe ET interventionist hypothesis has nothing to do with how matter was initially created. :)

I can live with the 'origins of life on Earth' angle, but the origins of matter itself? That's a pretty long bow to draw for a science fiction film, no matter how 'epic' it tries to be. Such ideas belong to balls-out fantasy, not science fiction, at least not of the brand that Scott created with ALIEN.

Consider how some fans reacted to the possibility of time travel in the film (an idea that I am not completely opposed to personally). The creation of matter as a purposeful act by a physical being is infinitely more ridiculous, and the fan backlash would be likely so.

-Chris

Quote from: Gunflyer on Jan 11, 2012, 12:16:41 AM
MY EYES! THE GOGGLES DO NUZZING! :o.... Dark Overlord? Howard the Duck? Classy does not belong in the same sentence as either of those things.

Naw, the Dark Overlord is some crafty motherf**ker.

The movie is another can of worms.

Quote from: Master on Jan 10, 2012, 10:04:40 PM
Classy dark gods are always great, biomechanical or not  ;)

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excuse me, but these examples are not representative in comparison to the space jockey.
especially sauron isn't even an alien. and biomechanoid are none of them.

...But Master clearly stated 'Classy dark gods are always great, biomechanical or not'.

Quote from: OmegaZilla on Jan 11, 2012, 01:43:40 PM
...But Master clearly stated 'Classy dark gods are always great, biomechanical or not'.

my appologies, to master! i overrun sometimes post, sorry for that.
in that case: i just like the second pic.  :laugh:

Going a bit further on the Ancient Astronaut Theory. Since the Alien franchise artwork is very similar to Ancient Egyptian art, I thought I'd share some interesting points. Now I am NOT saying that the Ancients had contact with ETs. Its most likely that ancient man was VERY advanced with their technology.

• Pyramids found in Bosnia, China, and Mexico, but mainstream anthropologists/archaeologists do not discuss this phenomenon
• Obelisks found in city-centers of power, including the Washington D.C Monument, the obelisk at the Vatican (St. Peters Square), and in NYC (Cleopatra's Needle), and much much more.
• Pyramid on the dollar bill
• Political elite and their involvement with the occults (The Pyramids of Egypt was closed on 11/11/11, confirmed via mainstream press)
• Our entire reality paradigm is predicated off a pyramidal hierarchical system, including institutions, government agencies, corporations, MNC's, etc.
• Etymology of the word 'Amen' predates semitic texts and does not mean 'so let it be' but rather, 'to keep hidden.' It is an Egyptian word (ie: Amen-Ra, Amon, etc)
• Mainstream UFO enthusiasts + science-fiction movies keep saying they're 'out there' when 'they' have been here on Earth for thousands of years, if not more. (<-- my personal opinion)

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Quote from: Master on Jan 10, 2012, 10:04:40 PM
Classy dark gods are always great, biomechanical or not  ;)

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excuse me, but these examples are not representative in comparison to the space jockey.
especially sauron isn't even an alien. and biomechanoid are none of them.

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Quote from: OmegaZilla on Jan 11, 2012, 01:43:40 PM
...But Master clearly stated 'Classy dark gods are always great, biomechanical or not'.

my appologies, to master! i overrun sometimes post, sorry for that.
in that case: i just like the second pic.  :laugh:

;) cool bro, I love second pic too!

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Quote from: Master on Jan 10, 2012, 10:04:40 PM
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MY EYES! THE GOGGLES DO NUZZING! :o.... Dark Overlord? Howard the Duck? Classy does not belong in the same sentence as either of those things.

Dark Overlord is most classy! Alien is puss when compared to Dark O  :D

Quote from: droideggs on Jan 11, 2012, 06:55:37 PM

• Pyramids found in Bosnia, China, and Mexico, but mainstream anthropologists/archaeologists do not discuss this phenomenon

They do. In fact, it's common knowledge.

Quote from: droideggs on Jan 11, 2012, 06:55:37 PM

• Obelisks found in city-centers of power, including the Washington D.C Monument, the obelisk at the Vatican (St. Peters Square), and in NYC (Cleopatra's Needle), and much much more.

Nothing remarkable there, either.

Quote from: droideggs on Jan 11, 2012, 06:55:37 PM

• Pyramid on the dollar bill

The Founding Fathers were Freemasons, just like the fat, old guys in the blue jackets. Oh, yeah: I used to be one.

Quote from: droideggs on Jan 11, 2012, 06:55:37 PM

• Political elite and their involvement with the occults (The Pyramids of Egypt was closed on 11/11/11, confirmed via mainstream press)

As above, so below. (I threw a Hermetic reference in for fun.) As for the closings, it was to keep the weirdos from doing strange things there.

Quote from: droideggs on Jan 11, 2012, 06:55:37 PM

• Our entire reality paradigm is predicated off a pyramidal hierarchical system, including institutions, government agencies, corporations, MNC's, etc.

Yeah?

Quote from: droideggs on Jan 11, 2012, 06:55:37 PM

• Etymology of the word 'Amen' predates semitic texts and does not mean 'so let it be' but rather, 'to keep hidden.' It is an Egyptian word (ie: Amen-Ra, Amon, etc)

O rly? (http://jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/1383-amen)

Quote from: droideggs on Jan 11, 2012, 06:55:37 PM

• Mainstream UFO enthusiasts + science-fiction movies keep saying they're 'out there' when 'they' have been here on Earth for thousands of years, if not more. (<-- my personal opinion)

There is no evidence for this. <-- What is known.

Quote from: maledoro on Jan 11, 2012, 11:27:20 PM

Quote from: droideggs on Jan 11, 2012, 06:55:37 PM

• Pyramids found in Bosnia, China, and Mexico, but mainstream anthropologists/archaeologists do not discuss this phenomenon

They do. In fact, it's common knowledge.

Oh? If its common knowledge this would be taught in middle school classes throughout the world. Look it up on Google and you won't see many 'established' sources claiming that its real and common knowledge. In fact, National Geographic came out in 2006 saying that the Bosnian pyramids are a hoax, which I find laughable and cute to be honest.

Quote from: maledoro on Jan 11, 2012, 11:27:20 PM

Quote from: droideggs on Jan 11, 2012, 06:55:37 PM

• Obelisks found in city-centers of power, including the Washington D.C Monument, the obelisk at the Vatican (St. Peters Square), and in NYC (Cleopatra's Needle), and much much more.

Nothing remarkable there, either.

It is actually a remarkable phenomenon. Cities like New York, Washington D.C., the Vatican with obelisks. There is a whole list on wikipedia. Please check it out. Let me guess, they're all gifts from the Egyptian government? They just like how it looks I suppose.  ;D

Quote from: maledoro on Jan 11, 2012, 11:27:20 PM

Quote from: droideggs on Jan 11, 2012, 06:55:37 PM

• Pyramid on the dollar bill

The Founding Fathers were Freemasons, just like the fat, old guys in the blue jackets. Oh, yeah: I used to be one.

You should probably update those talking points you got there. The 'good ole' boys network' excuse is old and outdated. You guys need to think of something new :) There are many hidden secret societies, but you already know that.  ;)

Quote from: maledoro on Jan 11, 2012, 11:27:20 PM

Quote from: droideggs on Jan 11, 2012, 06:55:37 PM

• Political elite and their involvement with the occults (The Pyramids of Egypt was closed on 11/11/11, confirmed via mainstream press)

As above, so below. (I threw a Hermetic reference in for fun.) As for the closings, it was to keep the weirdos from doing strange things there.

Why is it that the political elite continue occult traditions with such secrecy. Makes you wonder. I thought a 'democracy' should be free of secret societies and alliances :)

Quote from: maledoro on Jan 11, 2012, 11:27:20 PM

Quote from: droideggs on Jan 11, 2012, 06:55:37 PM

• Our entire reality paradigm is predicated off a pyramidal hierarchical system, including institutions, government agencies, corporations, MNC's, etc.

Yeah?

Indeed

Quote from: maledoro on Jan 11, 2012, 11:27:20 PM

Quote from: droideggs on Jan 11, 2012, 06:55:37 PM

• Etymology of the word 'Amen' predates semitic texts and does not mean 'so let it be' but rather, 'to keep hidden.' It is an Egyptian word (ie: Amen-Ra, Amon, etc)

O rly? (http://jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/1383-amen)

Yes, really. A quick google search won't give you the correct answer. If you go back further in history, Amen predates semitic texts.

http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Amun (http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Amun)

From Αμμων (Ammon), the Greek form of Egyptian Ymn (reconstructed as Yamanu) which meant "the hidden one". In early Egyptian mythology he was a god of the air, creativity and fertility, who was particularly revered in Thebes. Later, during the Middle Kingdom, his attributes were combined with those of the god Ra and he was worshipped as the supreme solar deity Amon-Ra.

Quote from: maledoro on Jan 11, 2012, 11:27:20 PM

Quote from: droideggs on Jan 11, 2012, 06:55:37 PM

• Mainstream UFO enthusiasts + science-fiction movies keep saying they're 'out there' when 'they' have been here on Earth for thousands of years, if not more. (<-- my personal opinion)

There is no evidence for this. <-- What is known.

Which is why I have 'my personal opinion' on there.

Quote from: Master on Jan 11, 2012, 07:23:29 PM
Dark Overlord is most classy! Alien is puss when compared to Dark O  :D

Wow, ballsy?

Quote from: droideggs on Jan 12, 2012, 01:02:51 AMOh? If its common knowledge this would be taught in middle school classes throughout the world. Look it up on Google and you won't see many 'established' sources claiming that its real and common knowledge.

I learned about them in grade school; a public school, in fact.

Quote from: droideggs on Jan 12, 2012, 01:02:51 AMIt is actually a remarkable phenomenon. Cities like New York, Washington D.C., the Vatican with obelisks. There is a whole list on wikipedia. Please check it out. Let me guess, they're all gifts from the Egyptian government? They just like how it looks I suppose.

Pretty much.

Quote from: droideggs on Jan 12, 2012, 01:02:51 AMYou should probably update those talking points you got there. The 'good ole' boys network' excuse is old and outdated. You guys need to think of something new :) There are many hidden secret societies, but you already know that.

Yeah, the ones that work openly with the public...

Quote from: droideggs on Jan 12, 2012, 01:02:51 AMWhy is it that the political elite continue occult traditions with such secrecy. Makes you wonder. I thought a 'democracy' should be free of secret societies and alliances

You can join them, you know. Lodge 130 in Mishawaka, Indiana used to meet Wednesday nights. I'd ask you directly to join, but you have to approach them and I haven't been for so long.

Quote from: droideggs on Jan 12, 2012, 01:02:51 AMYes, really. A quick google search won't give you the correct answer. If you go back further in history, Amen predates semitic texts.

That's why I didn't do a "quick" search.

Quote from: droideggs on Jan 12, 2012, 01:02:51 AMhttp://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Amun (http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Amun)

From Αμμων (Ammon), the Greek form of Egyptian Ymn (reconstructed as Yamanu) which meant "the hidden one". In early Egyptian mythology he was a god of the air, creativity and fertility, who was particularly revered in Thebes. Later, during the Middle Kingdom, his attributes were combined with those of the god Ra and he was worshipped as the supreme solar deity Amon-Ra.

There's a connection missing between that and Hebrew.

Quote from: droideggs on Jan 12, 2012, 01:02:51 AMWhich is why I have 'my personal opinion' on there.

Which, in the face of facts, means diddley.

QuoteIt is actually a remarkable phenomenon. Cities like New York, Washington D.C., the Vatican with obelisks. There is a whole list on wikipedia. Please check it out. Let me guess, they're all gifts from the Egyptian government? They just like how it looks I suppose.

Aren't they meant to represent Osiris/Nimrod's lost golden cock?

WTF does the pyramid on the dollar have anything to do with Ancient Astronauts? Those are two different kinds of conspiracy theories.

Quote from: evolution_rex on Jan 12, 2012, 04:45:06 AMWTF does the pyramid on the dollar have anything to do with Ancient Astronauts? Those are two different kinds of conspiracy theories.

Didn't ya know? They're all connected!
:o

Damn, all the fun is being had in here!  I really, really don't want another Kingdom of the Crystal Skull, please, don't joke about such things.

Quote from: evolution_rex on Jan 12, 2012, 04:45:06 AM
WTF does the pyramid on the dollar have anything to do with Ancient Astronauts? Those are two different kinds of conspiracy theories.

Because conspiracy nut jobs believe that everything's a conspiracy and that all conspiracys are connected.  Trying to reason with these people is impossible because for them to accept the truth would be for them to accept that life is a lot less fantastical than their own delusions.

I just laugh at them. :laugh:

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Quote from: evolution_rex on Jan 12, 2012, 04:45:06 AM
WTF does the pyramid on the dollar have anything to do with Ancient Astronauts? Those are two different kinds of conspiracy theories.

Because conspiracy nut jobs believe that everything's a conspiracy and that all conspiracys are connected.  Trying to reason with these people is impossible because for them to accept the truth would be for them to accept that life is a lot less fantastical than their own delusions.

I just laugh at them. :laugh:

sure. and the governments around the world, never lied to their people...  ::)
so continue laughing at people who actually care about living in this world and thinking about any theories. even the unorthodox one.

i just say ONE thing: IF the ancient astronaut theory is true, we should questioning every aspect of our culture, politic-scheme, religion and even our own personalities, in relation to our alien god.

Quote from: Kol on Jan 12, 2012, 03:21:12 PM

Quote from: St_Eddie on Jan 12, 2012, 03:05:06 PM

Quote from: evolution_rex on Jan 12, 2012, 04:45:06 AM
WTF does the pyramid on the dollar have anything to do with Ancient Astronauts? Those are two different kinds of conspiracy theories.

Because conspiracy nut jobs believe that everything's a conspiracy and that all conspiracys are connected.  Trying to reason with these people is impossible because for them to accept the truth would be for them to accept that life is a lot less fantastical than their own delusions.

I just laugh at them. :laugh:

sure. and the governments around the world, never lied to their people...  ::)
so continue laughing at people who actually care about living in this world and thinking about any theories. even the unorthodox one.

i just say ONE thing: IF the ancient astronaut theory is true, we should questioning every aspect of our culture, politic-scheme, religion and even our own personalities, in relation to our alien god.

Haven't you seen 2001?? :laugh:  There's a reason that information like that is sensitive.  Cultural shock is a very real thing, just as much now as it was when War of the Worlds was first broadcast.  I'll say that you have to be just as big of a dolt to think governments don't hide massive amounts of information from their public as you do to actually believe fringe and/or conspiracy ideas to be true.   

Moderation applies to many things.

There is just such an insane, insane amount of bogus information spread around on purpose, maybe to make people money, maybe to make them feel like they know some "inside secret" or something, but it nevertheless happens.

right? governments, *gasp*, lie!

and they have tons of people to act as disinfo agents to suppress information. i find it peculiar that whenever I run into subjects about our origins, UFOs, or anything 'paranormal' I run into the freemason types quite frequently. 

i find it humorous that a small portion of the folks on this thread are virulently against unorthodox theories. its just a movie fellas :)

i don't believe in these alien theories because it's too convenient for them to say it's all an unknown forces' fault.

What will be really intersting this year (hopefully) is if they manage to get inside that door in the Great Pyramid. If they find khufu's body , it will blow every theory out of the water.

Not that I want that to happen, but it would be great to know that the pyramid is a burial shrine either way.

Yeah, we as a species are not who the establishment says we are. We are not who we think we are. We have obviously hijacked some other species, cultures and identity. Or just plain made stuff up. And things are never what they seem, especially in this day in age. All you have to do is look at the television, with all the so called "reality" shows. The intermingling of Politicians and news personality into film and tv. It really is getting quite confusing when you have this type of merger. Post modernism comes to mind. There really is no truth. Everything is distorted. There are too many halve truths. History is relative. They call it HIS-STORY for a reason. LOL!  Too many people acting in a every fabric of society. My own mother, yes I love her, but she lies about everything you can imagine. And she's considered normal by most people that knows her. This is how a lot of people behave mind you. Even the little stuff that you would think no one would have to lie about. You think that your government is any different?

What you see on Tv when a Politician gets in trouble or goes to jail, that is not because they actually did the crime the other politicians say they did. It's because that particular politician was  NOT PLAYNIG BALL. Power tends to give individuals an ego. Most all of the time. In those situations you are seeing what happens when someone in the higher ups gets too big headed and starts asking for more than what he is granted to have. So the (government) gives the media a hashed up story to give to the public about what THEY (government) say happened and the individual has no choice but to go along with it, because at this point if he fights it anymore, it's just gonna get worse. He knows this.

NASA is big one too. You really think NASA is up there doing just what they say, or are showing you? I highly doubt it's just satellites and telescopes. And their interest in Mars is very suspicious.. Are they trying to cover something up there too? I think they're making history....up!  What do you think.


Look, I can go on and on with all this stuff but most people are too afraid of this kind of, what they call "out of the box " thinking. They don't want to unplug. Because as one quote from one of my favorite movies says "Ignorance is bliss."

^^

preach on brother :)

get off the TV 'programming.' Interesting how they call it 'program' too.

they put so much reality TV on the brainwashing box (TV) we don't even know what reality is anymore. They screw with our reality paradigm all the time.

Did you just imply that our reality is in part defined by reality television?

Mother of god.

Quote from: RagingDragon on Jan 12, 2012, 07:12:29 PM
Did you just imply that our reality is in part defined by reality television?

Mother of god.

'reality tv' is a genre within tv programming. seriously?

its hard to fathom, but many folks see the TV as the truthbox.

we live in the year 2012.

nobody watches TV anymore. the TV is a dead format and anybody who thinks it has any power over people younger than 50 years old is a fool.

Quote from: chupacabras acheronsis on Jan 12, 2012, 07:24:26 PM
we live in the year 2012.

nobody watches TV anymore. the TV is a dead format and anybody who thinks it has any power over people younger than 50 years old is a fool.

I think he's generalising, he means media

Quote from: droideggs on Jan 12, 2012, 07:13:36 PM

Quote from: RagingDragon on Jan 12, 2012, 07:12:29 PM
Did you just imply that our reality is in part defined by reality television?

Mother of god.

'reality tv' is a genre within tv programming. seriously?

its hard to fathom, but many folks see the TV as the truthbox.

Yeah, it really is funny to hear them debate on it also, as if it is something "real." 

Quote from: maledoro on Jan 10, 2012, 12:43:48 PM

Quote from: deuterium on Jan 10, 2012, 04:31:33 AMNo, I would respectfully argue that they are completely different.  Visitation by "ancient alien astronauts" has at least the ability to be scientifically studied...for example, finding compelling evidence in artifacts and archaeological digs.  This falls within the realm of Science.

And since the evidence for it was ambiguity and all other evidence is contrary, it does not fall within the realm of Science, but Pseudoscience.

Quote from: deuterium on Jan 10, 2012, 04:31:33 AMFaith and Belief in the existence of God, and Christ is not based on physical Science, and is not subject to scientific methods.

Only the moralistic stuff isn't. Anything that has to do with reality in the physical realm is subject to testing.

Quote from: deuterium on Jan 10, 2012, 04:31:33 AMIt is outside of the purview of Science...and transcends it.

And since it isn't a part of it, there is no way you can know its existence, nor can one say "God did it!" when it comes to changes in our physical world.

Quote from: deuterium on Jan 10, 2012, 04:31:33 AMTruths and facts about our physical Universe are the arena of Science.  Moral truths related to our existence and purpose are revealed to us (for those who do believe) through Scripture as well as Divine insight via the Holy Spirit.

That means they are mutually exclusive.

Quote from: deuterium on Jan 10, 2012, 04:31:33 AMSt. Thomas Aquinas fully explored the relationship between physical science and natural theology

To the best of his 13th Century knowledge. The Scientific Method wasn't even created yet. If Aquinas was here today, he'd only attract those on the religious and pseudoscientific fringe.

Quote from: deuterium on Jan 10, 2012, 04:31:33 AM...and the compatibility between the two (they are not mutually exclusive).

You can't say that religion can't be tested scientifically and then turn around and say Religion and Science are not mutually exclusive.

Quote from: deuterium on Jan 10, 2012, 04:31:33 AM

Quote"To one who has faith, no explanation is necessary. To one without faith, no explanation is possible."
― Thomas Aquinas

Or so he thought. The more knowledge proceeds, the more God recedes.

Maledoro, I wrote up a lengthy point-by-point Apologetic (in the Catholic sense) to your response, which I realized (only after having spent considerable thought and time) has no place on this forum.  Suffice it to say, it was an explanation of how I reconcile my belief in Science (my background and degree is in Physics and Mathematics), with my personal Catholic Faith.  I have already been accused, on this board, of holding views that are mutually contradictory.  This is not the case...but no matter, I don't think this is the venue to argue my personal world view and belief system...and I hope you all understand and respect that.

I will state my firm conviction, however, that this "ancient astronaut" theory (as an explanation of Humanity's origin) is absolutley mis-quided, from a Scientific point of view.  In fact, I am hoping that these rumors are inaccurate, and that Ridley does not go down this path.  However, given that Damon Lindelof is involved, I have already prepared myself for this eventuality.

P.S. ==> I dislike the "jockey is a humanoid in a suit" concept, as well.

Quote from: Kol on Jan 12, 2012, 03:21:12 PM
sure. and the governments around the world, never lied to their people...  ::)
so continue laughing at people who actually care about living in this world and thinking about any theories. even the unorthodox one.

i just say ONE thing: IF the ancient astronaut theory is true, we should questioning every aspect of our culture, politic-scheme, religion and even our own personalities, in relation to our alien god.

Sure, it wouldn't be the first governments lied, but that doesn't mean that everything thing they do has some long conspiracy behind it.

And I don't care if someone comes up with a believable theory, but most of the time conspiracy theories involve a one sided point of view. They usually take things out of context, and when they kind their facts, they only look at things in a way that supports their theories. Conspiracy Theorist only look at the things one way becuase they've already sit their hearts out to prove the government is lying or whatever the theory maybe. They see only what they want to see. They make their own facts.

And, I'm not trying to say that the government isn't without corruption, but their not filled with lying bastards who try to fool their peoples into thinking that the world is okay when it's not. We know its not, and although we may not know all the facts about what's going on in the world, their not making complex plans to fulfill their own agenda, not most of the time. Conspiracy Theorist just want to poke at the government becuase they can't accept the fact that sometimes the government is just trying to run a country.

But back on topic, I'm hoping not to see any conspiracies in the movie. I'll be pissed if it turns out the Weyland-Yutani cooperation knew about the aliens being the creators of mankind all along. If there are going to be any "conspiracy" plot at all, it should have nothing to do with aliens. But I am fond of the Ancient Astronaut plot, and if they do it right I'll enjoy the movie.

Quote from: droideggs on Jan 12, 2012, 06:05:24 PMright? governments, *gasp*, lie!

So do conspiracy websites.

Quote from: droideggs on Jan 12, 2012, 06:05:24 PMand they have tons of people to act as disinfo agents to suppress information. i find it peculiar that whenever I run into subjects about our origins, UFOs, or anything 'paranormal' I run into the freemason types quite frequently.

And they're so sloppy you can see right through them.

Quote from: droideggs on Jan 12, 2012, 06:05:24 PMi find it humorous that a small portion of the folks on this thread are virulently against unorthodox theories. its just a movie fellas

Only a few will take time out to give you their attention.

Quote from: BioMechanical on Jan 12, 2012, 06:52:21 PM
Yeah, we as a species are not who the establishment says we are. We are not who we think we are. We have obviously hijacked some other species, cultures and identity. Or just plain made stuff up. And things are never what they seem, especially in this day in age. All you have to do is look at the television, with all the so called "reality" shows. The intermingling of Politicians and news personality into film and tv. It really is getting quite confusing when you have this type of merger. Post modernism comes to mind. There really is no truth. Everything is distorted. There are too many halve truths. History is relative. They call it HIS-STORY for a reason. LOL!  Too many people acting in a every fabric of society. My own mother, yes I love her, but she lies about everything you can imagine. And she's considered normal by most people that knows her. This is how a lot of people behave mind you. Even the little stuff that you would think no one would have to lie about. You think that your government is any different?

What you see on Tv when a Politician gets in trouble or goes to jail, that is not because they actually did the crime the other politicians say they did. It's because that particular politician was  NOT PLAYNIG BALL. Power tends to give individuals an ego. Most all of the time. In those situations you are seeing what happens when someone in the higher ups gets too big headed and starts asking for more than what he is granted to have. So the (government) gives the media a hashed up story to give to the public about what THEY (government) say happened and the individual has no choice but to go along with it, because at this point if he fights it anymore, it's just gonna get worse. He knows this.

NASA is big one too. You really think NASA is up there doing just what they say, or are showing you? I highly doubt it's just satellites and telescopes. And their interest in Mars is very suspicious.. Are they trying to cover something up there too? I think they're making history....up!  What do you think.


Look, I can go on and on with all this stuff but most people are too afraid of this kind of, what they call "out of the box " thinking. They don't want to unplug. Because as one quote from one of my favorite movies says "Ignorance is bliss."

And, of course, you have evidence to back all this up but will not share it with us so you must be one of "them".

Quote from: deuterium on Jan 12, 2012, 08:27:51 PMMaledoro, I wrote up a lengthy point-by-point Apologetic (in the Catholic sense) to your response, which I realized (only after having spent considerable thought and time) has no place on this forum.  Suffice it to say, it was an explanation of how I reconcile my belief in Science (my background and degree is in Physics and Mathematics), with my personal Catholic Faith.  I have already been accused, on this board, of holding views that are mutually contradictory.  This is not the case...but no matter, I don't think this is the venue to argue my personal world view and belief system...and I hope you all understand and respect that.

That wasn't necessary [writing your essay]. I have a personal friend who is an Evangelical Xtian, I am an admirer of the works of Francis Collins (the scientist), and I was still studying science while I was attending seminary. Being an ex-Catholic, I can understand.

Quote from: deuterium on Jan 12, 2012, 08:27:51 PMI will state my firm conviction, however, that this "ancient astronaut" theory (as an explanation of Humanity's origin) is absolutley mis-quided, from a Scientific point of view.  In fact, I am hoping that these rumors are inaccurate, and that Ridley does not go down this path.  However, given that Damon Lindelof is involved, I have already prepared myself for this eventuality.

P.S. ==> I dislike the "jockey is a humanoid in a suit" concept, as well.

Awrighty.

Quote from: maledoro on Jan 12, 2012, 11:36:02 PM

Quote from: droideggs on Jan 12, 2012, 06:05:24 PMright? governments, *gasp*, lie!

So do conspiracy websites.

I wouldn't say lie per se, 'misinformed' is probably what you're looking for. Governments on the other hand, willfully lie in order to keep the masses confused. Thats not a crazy conspiracy by any stretch of the imagination.

Quote from: maledoro on Jan 12, 2012, 11:36:02 PM

Quote from: droideggs on Jan 12, 2012, 06:05:24 PMand they have tons of people to act as disinfo agents to suppress information. i find it peculiar that whenever I run into subjects about our origins, UFOs, or anything 'paranormal' I run into the freemason types quite frequently.

And they're so sloppy you can see right through them.

I took you for a freemason before you said it yourself to be honest. You stuck out :)

I am interested in the freemason curriculum though. will most likely check out a local chapter in my area and see how they operate. 

Quote from: maledoro on Jan 12, 2012, 11:36:02 PM

Quote from: droideggs on Jan 12, 2012, 06:05:24 PMi find it humorous that a small portion of the folks on this thread are virulently against unorthodox theories. its just a movie fellas

Only a few will take time out to give you their attention.

Discussion of our origins, UFOs, and the paranormal definitely catch the attention of occultists.

Quote from: maledoro on Jan 12, 2012, 11:36:02 PMAnd, of course, you have evidence to back all this up but will not share it with us so you must be one of "them".

Thats why its a conspiracy 'theory.'

Quote from: droideggs on Jan 12, 2012, 11:50:59 PMI wouldn't say lie per se, 'misinformed' is probably what you're looking for. Governments on the other hand, willfully lie in order to keep the masses confused. Thats not a crazy conspiracy by any stretch of the imagination.

No, but that's not evidence that that is what indeed is happening.

Quote from: droideggs on Jan 12, 2012, 11:50:59 PMI took you for a freemason before you said it yourself to be honest. You stuck out

Yeah, too bad you didn't say so before my revelation.

Quote from: droideggs on Jan 12, 2012, 11:50:59 PMI am interested in the freemason curriculum though. will most likely check out a local chapter in my area and see how they operate.

There are tons of books available online and in bookstores. If you want, check out a place that carries used books and try to find some published by Macoy. Look for some by Albert Pike, especially Morals and Dogma. (Better yet... (http://www.sacred-texts.com/mas/md/index.htm)) Another great book is Secret Teachings of All Ages by Manly P. Hall. 

Quote from: droideggs on Jan 12, 2012, 11:50:59 PMDiscussion of our origins, UFOs, and the paranormal definitely catch the attention of occultists.

Yep. Check out books by Jack Parsons and Kenneth Grant. The latter is the leader of the Typhonian Ordo Templi Orientis.

Quote from: droideggs on Jan 12, 2012, 11:50:59 PMThats why its a conspiracy 'theory.'

It's a whim, not a theory.

Quote from: maledoro on Jan 13, 2012, 12:10:38 AM

Quote from: droideggs on Jan 12, 2012, 11:50:59 PMI wouldn't say lie per se, 'misinformed' is probably what you're looking for. Governments on the other hand, willfully lie in order to keep the masses confused. Thats not a crazy conspiracy by any stretch of the imagination.

No, but that's not evidence that that is what indeed is happening.

Quote from: maledoro on Jan 13, 2012, 12:10:38 AM

Quote from: droideggs on Jan 12, 2012, 11:50:59 PMI took you for a freemason before you said it yourself to be honest. You stuck out

Yeah, too bad you didn't say so before my revelation.

Why is it that you freemasons are always attempting to discredit/debunk anything in relation to mankind's history, religion, and the discussion of UFOs? You guys are literally everywhere. The disinfo campaign propagated by Freemasons has been going on for decades, if not for hundreds of years.

Its not that hard to spot the disinfo folks nowadays.

Quote from: maledoro on Jan 13, 2012, 12:10:38 AM

Quote from: droideggs on Jan 12, 2012, 11:50:59 PMI am interested in the freemason curriculum though. will most likely check out a local chapter in my area and see how they operate.

There are tons of books available online and in bookstores. If you want, check out a place that carries used books and try to find some published by Macoy. Look for some by Albert Pike, especially Morals and Dogma. (Better yet... (http://www.sacred-texts.com/mas/md/index.htm)) Another great book is Secret Teachings of All Ages by Manly P. Hall.

Thanks, will check it out.

Quote from: maledoro on Jan 13, 2012, 12:10:38 AM

Quote from: droideggs on Jan 12, 2012, 11:50:59 PMDiscussion of our origins, UFOs, and the paranormal definitely catch the attention of occultists.

Yep. Check out books by Jack Parsons and Kenneth Grant. The latter is the leader of the Typhonian Ordo Templi Orientis.

Poor Jack Parsons, co-founder of JPL and dies in a freak accident at his home through an accidental 'explosion.' Conspiracy? I'm open to it.

Quote from: maledoro on Jan 13, 2012, 12:10:38 AM

Quote from: droideggs on Jan 12, 2012, 11:50:59 PMThats why its a conspiracy 'theory.'

It's a whim, not a theory.

A whim, in your opinion. You keep forgetting to add that :)

Quote from: droideggs on Jan 13, 2012, 12:38:53 AMWhy is it that you freemasons are always attempting to discredit/debunk anything in relation to mankind's history, religion, and the discussion of UFOs? You guys are literally everywhere. The disinfo campaign propagated by Freemasons has been going on for decades, if not for hundreds of years.

1. I haven't been in a lodge for years. 2. Reality has a certain bias against your mindset.

Quote from: droideggs on Jan 13, 2012, 12:38:53 AMIts not that hard to spot the disinfo folks nowadays.

We're everywhere, man!

Quote from: droideggs on Jan 13, 2012, 12:38:53 AMPoor Jack Parsons, co-founder of JPL and dies in a freak accident at his home through an accidental 'explosion.' Conspiracy? Probably.

Most likely his HGA lied to him or the homunculus had too much power and destroyed him.

Quote from: droideggs on Jan 13, 2012, 12:38:53 AMA whim, in your opinion. You keep forgetting to add that :)

You're forgetting that "we" wrote the dictionary and your whim doesn't meet "our" criteria of the meaning of "theory".

Quote from: maledoro on Jan 13, 2012, 12:45:15 AM

Quote from: droideggs on Jan 13, 2012, 12:38:53 AMWhy is it that you freemasons are always attempting to discredit/debunk anything in relation to mankind's history, religion, and the discussion of UFOs? You guys are literally everywhere. The disinfo campaign propagated by Freemasons has been going on for decades, if not for hundreds of years.

1. I haven't been in a lodge for years. 2. Reality has a certain bias against your mindset.

Being that you're part of the occult, i don't see how you have any credibility at this point. 

Quote from: maledoro on Jan 13, 2012, 12:45:15 AM

Quote from: droideggs on Jan 13, 2012, 12:38:53 AMA whim, in your opinion. You keep forgetting to add that :)

You're forgetting that "we" wrote the dictionary and your whim doesn't meet "our" criteria of the meaning of "theory".

I sense some pompous condescension. Lets tone that down a little.

oh my word.....

 You sir are a joke.  ;)

Quote from: BioMechanical on Jan 13, 2012, 01:05:45 AM
You sir are a joke.  ;)

i do hope that wasn't aimed at me...

thanks

rich

Quote from: droideggs on Jan 13, 2012, 12:57:19 AM

Quote from: maledoro on Jan 13, 2012, 12:45:15 AM

Quote from: droideggs on Jan 13, 2012, 12:38:53 AMWhy is it that you freemasons are always attempting to discredit/debunk anything in relation to mankind's history, religion, and the discussion of UFOs? You guys are literally everywhere. The disinfo campaign propagated by Freemasons has been going on for decades, if not for hundreds of years.

1. I haven't been in a lodge for years. 2. Reality has a certain bias against your mindset.

Being that you're part of the occult, i don't see how you have any credibility at this point. 

Quote from: maledoro on Jan 13, 2012, 12:45:15 AM

Quote from: droideggs on Jan 13, 2012, 12:38:53 AMA whim, in your opinion. You keep forgetting to add that :)

You're forgetting that "we" wrote the dictionary and your whim doesn't meet "our" criteria of the meaning of "theory".

I sense some pompous condescension. Lets tone that down a little.

Droideggs...take off your damn tin-foil hat and apply some critical thinking.  I think you are the only person here who doesn't realize that Maledoro is having some fun with you. 

Quote from: deuterium on Jan 13, 2012, 01:26:00 AMDroideggs...take of your damn tin-foil hat and apply some critical thinking.  I think you are the only person here who doesn't realize that Maledoro is having some fun with you.

I'm just trying to get off the information welfare perpetuated by the mass media and political elite.

I thought I was applying critical thinking by questioning basic truths.  /shrug

btw, tin-foil hat? goodness, we're in a discussion board that deals with Aliens and you're telling me to take off my tin-foil hat. i find that ironic.

Quote from: droideggs on Jan 13, 2012, 01:29:37 AM

Quote from: deuterium on Jan 13, 2012, 01:26:00 AMDroideggs...take of your damn tin-foil hat and apply some critical thinking.  I think you are the only person here who doesn't realize that Maledoro is having some fun with you.

I'm just trying to get off the information welfare perpetuated by the mass media and political elite.

I thought I was applying critical thinking by questioning basic truths.  /shrug

btw, tin-foil hat? goodness, we're in a discussion board that deals with Aliens and you're telling me to take off my tin-foil hat. i find that ironic.

no, youre on a board that deals with fictional games, movies, comics....  also, you should apply that critical thinking to some of the nonsense you appear to believe..

abovetopsecret.com is thataway ----->

thanks

rich

Quote from: RICH-ENGLAND on Jan 13, 2012, 01:35:07 AM

Quote from: droideggs on Jan 13, 2012, 01:29:37 AM

Quote from: deuterium on Jan 13, 2012, 01:26:00 AMDroideggs...take of your damn tin-foil hat and apply some critical thinking.  I think you are the only person here who doesn't realize that Maledoro is having some fun with you.

I'm just trying to get off the information welfare perpetuated by the mass media and political elite.

I thought I was applying critical thinking by questioning basic truths.  /shrug

btw, tin-foil hat? goodness, we're in a discussion board that deals with Aliens and you're telling me to take off my tin-foil hat. i find that ironic.

no, youre on a board that deals with fictional games, movies, comics....  also, you should apply that critical thinking to some of the nonsense you appear to believe..

abovetopsecret.com is thataway ----->

thanks

rich

hey there bud. i believe its you who decided to enter the thread 'Prometheus Based Off of Ancient Astronaut Theory?'

if you don't like whats being discussed on this particular thread, you have the option to, you know, not threadcrap on here.

that's not at all what this thread is about now.

Quote from: RICH-ENGLAND on Jan 13, 2012, 01:19:44 AM

Quote from: BioMechanical on Jan 13, 2012, 01:05:45 AM
You sir are a joke.  ;)

i do hope that wasn't aimed at me...

thanks

rich

If the shoe fits.  ;)

And yeah, I have not entered into any debate with you cause you are not debating. It's clear that your just trying to get a rise out of people as someone else said.

The 'eye' is a common symbol used throughout many different religions to represent the all seeing eye of the divine. The Freemasons (who are required to believe in a Supreme Being of some sort or another) use the Eye of Providence, which is a Christian symbol that originates in Medieval and Renaissance Europe. It has nothing to do with Egyptians, Sumerians or Ancient Aliens.

-Chris

Quote from: BioMechanical on Jan 13, 2012, 02:30:59 AM

Quote from: RICH-ENGLAND on Jan 13, 2012, 01:19:44 AM

Quote from: BioMechanical on Jan 13, 2012, 01:05:45 AM
You sir are a joke.  ;)

i do hope that wasn't aimed at me...

thanks

rich

If the shoe fits.  ;)

And yeah, I have not entered into any debate with you cause you are not debating. It's clear that your just trying to get a rise out of people as someone else said.

what the hell you talking about you clown, please back up these claims with quotes of what ive "allegedly" said to get a rise out of people as ive hardly said anything in this thread cos its full of ridiculous nonsense that has no basis in reality and has gone from fantasy to stupidity, most of which has absolutely nothing to do with the alien or predator univerese let alone prometheus and isnt even following the original thread title.

that last comment i made before your pathetic attempt at insult is about the only comment ive made since stating a few facts on page 5. so stop making things up....

tell me, what is there to debate?

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Quote from: droideggs on Jan 13, 2012, 02:10:12 AM

Quote from: RICH-ENGLAND on Jan 13, 2012, 01:35:07 AM

Quote from: droideggs on Jan 13, 2012, 01:29:37 AM

Quote from: deuterium on Jan 13, 2012, 01:26:00 AMDroideggs...take of your damn tin-foil hat and apply some critical thinking.  I think you are the only person here who doesn't realize that Maledoro is having some fun with you.

I'm just trying to get off the information welfare perpetuated by the mass media and political elite.

I thought I was applying critical thinking by questioning basic truths.  /shrug

btw, tin-foil hat? goodness, we're in a discussion board that deals with Aliens and you're telling me to take off my tin-foil hat. i find that ironic.

no, youre on a board that deals with fictional games, movies, comics....  also, you should apply that critical thinking to some of the nonsense you appear to believe..

abovetopsecret.com is thataway ----->

thanks

rich

hey there bud. i believe its you who decided to enter the thread 'Prometheus Based Off of Ancient Astronaut Theory?'

if you don't like whats being discussed on this particular thread, you have the option to, you know, not threadcrap on here.

why dont you actually try and discuss the movie and its basis instead of lots of irrelevant conspiracy crap then? try sticking to your thread title and the reality of the movie....

thanks

rich

Quote from: droideggs on Jan 13, 2012, 12:57:19 AM

Quote from: maledoro on Jan 13, 2012, 12:45:15 AM

Quote from: droideggs on Jan 13, 2012, 12:38:53 AMWhy is it that you freemasons are always attempting to discredit/debunk anything in relation to mankind's history, religion, and the discussion of UFOs? You guys are literally everywhere. The disinfo campaign propagated by Freemasons has been going on for decades, if not for hundreds of years.

1. I haven't been in a lodge for years. 2. Reality has a certain bias against your mindset.

Being that you're part of the occult, i don't see how you have any credibility at this point. 

Quote from: maledoro on Jan 13, 2012, 12:45:15 AM

Quote from: droideggs on Jan 13, 2012, 12:38:53 AMA whim, in your opinion. You keep forgetting to add that :)

You're forgetting that "we" wrote the dictionary and your whim doesn't meet "our" criteria of the meaning of "theory".

I sense some pompous condescension. Lets tone that down a little.

I see this in your future:

Spoiler

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Quote from: RICH-ENGLAND on Jan 13, 2012, 04:02:32 AM


why dont you actually try and discuss the movie and its basis instead of lots of irrelevant conspiracy crap then? try sticking to your thread title and the reality of the movie....

thanks

rich

Because the movie is going to explore the very things you are ridiculing us about.

Jeezus! R tard comes to mind. ::)

Quote from: RICH-ENGLAND on Jan 13, 2012, 04:02:32 AMwhy dont you actually try and discuss the movie and its basis instead of lots of irrelevant conspiracy crap then? try sticking to your thread title and the reality of the movie....

Ancient Astronaut theory has everything to do with what I've been discussing. Gieger's inspiration comes from Ancient Egyptian art and culture as noted in the OP. I do recall AvP lightly touching this subject when the Predator was at the Mayan pyramid. I found that bit interesting.

I'm just worried for the folks assuming that they're going to see another 'Alien' franchise movie when it may be something totally different (AA theory).

Sir Ridley Scott stated it will have Alien DNA, but won't be revealed until late in the movie.

I would love a story about an ancient advanced human civilization that went to the Moon and Mars thousands of years ago before the great flood. I'm stoked about this movie. The fact that I can see an original sci-fi film from Ridley Scott in the theater is exciting to say the least.

Quote from: BioMechanical on Jan 13, 2012, 05:15:03 AM

Quote from: RICH-ENGLAND on Jan 13, 2012, 04:02:32 AM


why dont you actually try and discuss the movie and its basis instead of lots of irrelevant conspiracy crap then? try sticking to your thread title and the reality of the movie....

thanks

rich

Because the movie is going to explore the very things you are ridiculing us about.

Jeezus! R tard comes to mind. ::)

oi, moron, that wasnt aimed at you, why dont you try answering the part that was? oh wait, you cant because you invented the rubbish that you claimed, idiot....

oh, and would you care to point to any evidence that prometheus will involve freemasons? global elites and all the other crap thats been going on in the last few pages?

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Quote from: droideggs on Jan 13, 2012, 05:16:52 AM

Quote from: RICH-ENGLAND on Jan 13, 2012, 04:02:32 AMwhy dont you actually try and discuss the movie and its basis instead of lots of irrelevant conspiracy crap then? try sticking to your thread title and the reality of the movie....

Ancient Astronaut theory has everything to do with what I've been discussing. Gieger's inspiration comes from Ancient Egyptian art and culture as noted in the OP. I do recall AvP lightly touching this subject when the Predator was at the Mayan pyramid. I found that bit interesting.

I'm just worried for the folks assuming that they're going to see another 'Alien' franchise movie when it may be something totally different (AA theory).

Sir Ridley Scott stated it will have Alien DNA, but won't be revealed until late in the movie.

I would love a story about an ancient advanced human civilization that went to the Moon and Mars thousands of years ago before the great flood. I'm stoked about this movie. The fact that I can see an original sci-fi film from Ridley Scott in the theater is exciting to say the least.

im not talking about that, im talking about all the other garbage youve been rambling on about in the last few pages....and the fact you were so away in fantasy land that you failed to see that other poster was basically taking the p with the freemason stuff.

ill state it again, ive no problem with discussing this stuff when its at least relevant to what prometheus will be, my "oh my word" comment was about how this thread had devolved into irrelevant nonsense that belongs on woo woo sites...

thanks

rich

Quote from: RICH-ENGLAND on Jan 13, 2012, 05:30:08 AMoi, moron, that wasnt aimed at you, why dont you try answering the part that was? oh wait, you cant because you invented the rubbish that you claimed, idiot....

oh, and would you care to point to any evidence that prometheus will involve freemasons? global elites and all the other crap thats been going on in the last few pages?

Please stop with the name calling.

As far as the global elite and the occults dealing with Prometheus, it has to do with the suppression of information by these very people (the status quo, the powers that be, the elite, whatever you want to call them) in order to propagate a false reality.  Personally I believe popular Hollywood films touches on these subjects although in a very cryptic manner. Kubrick's 2001: Space Odyssey comes to mind, especially with the Monolith. Which is interesting, as Buzz Aldrin talked about a monolith on the moon Phobos. He talked about the monolith again on 'Dancing with the Stars' during an interview.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDIXvpjnRws# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDIXvpjnRws#)

Sir Ridley Scott could be sending another codified message to the public for those that are in the know, I suppose.

Or hey, I could be wrong, and all this is just balogney. Either way, its still interesting, and would be awesome if its in the new movie Prometheus!  8)

Quote from: droideggs on Jan 13, 2012, 05:48:29 AM

Quote from: RICH-ENGLAND on Jan 13, 2012, 05:30:08 AMoi, moron, that wasnt aimed at you, why dont you try answering the part that was? oh wait, you cant because you invented the rubbish that you claimed, idiot....

oh, and would you care to point to any evidence that prometheus will involve freemasons? global elites and all the other crap thats been going on in the last few pages?

Please stop with the name calling.

As far as the global elite and the occults dealing with Prometheus, it has to do with the suppression of information by these very people (the status quo, the powers that be, the elite, whatever you want to call them) in order to propagate a false reality.  Personally I believe popular Hollywood films touches on these subjects although in a very cryptic manner. Kubrick's 2001: Space Odyssey comes to mind, especially with the Monolith. Which is interesting, as Buzz Aldrin talked about a monolith on the moon Phobos. He talked about the monolith again on 'Dancing with the Stars' during an interview.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDIXvpjnRws# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDIXvpjnRws#)

Sir Ridley Scott could be sending another codified message to the public for those that are in the know, I suppose.

Or hey, I could be wrong, and all this is just balogney. Either way, its still interesting, and would be awesome if its in the new movie Prometheus!  8)

that wasnt aimed at you droid eggs , please read the posts and quotes properly, that was aimed at the moron that started with the name calling,

and no, it wouldnt be good for ridley to get too far involved with nonsense, it would be embarrassing beyond belief, again, all that nonsense is irrelevant, as far as prometheus being linked to any ancient astonaut theory it will probably be along the lines of "gods/aliens made man" and thats about it...

buzz aldrin has also stated that he was winding people up with his comments, they wanted something from him so he humoured them.... theres nothing to it

thanks

rich

Quote from: droideggs on Jan 13, 2012, 05:16:52 AMAncient Astronaut theory has everything to do with what I've been discussing. Gieger's inspiration comes from Ancient Egyptian art and culture as noted in the OP.

The original story and concept art is littered with subtle references to these things. There is even a painting of the alien temple that shows a pyramid/eye symbol (yeah, that one) above a doorway. The thing is though, none of it made it into the film. The Space Jockey an enigmatic thing, but just because the guy who designed it liked Egyptian art doesn't mean that it's screen character has ties to Egyptian mythology. That's purely circumstantial.

Quote from: droideggs on Jan 13, 2012, 05:16:52 AMSir Ridley Scott stated it will have Alien DNA, but won't be revealed until late in the movie.

I read this as meaning that the last 8 minutes will be monster movie stuff - dark hallways, motion trackers, kicking legs disappearing down air ducts, slime... that sort of thing. 8)

-Chris

Look dude, these movies have been talking about how shady some elements of the establishment has been since the first movie came out in 79. Now they are going to even go deeper than that in this new film. It's so obvious that they are going to be talking about how shady the establishment is on a grander scale, in terms of a whole, and not just some greedy companies of the old. Ridley said it himself in this quote  "the cast come to find an establishment that they did not expect it to be."

So there you have it Rich England. Just as Droideggs said above. Preconditioning is under way. Whether you like it or not, you will be preconditioned on June 8, 2012   8)

Quote from: droideggs on Jan 13, 2012, 05:48:29 AMBuzz Aldrin talked about a monolith on the moon Phobos [...] again on 'Dancing with the Stars' during an interview.

He also said that Phobos is a spaceship. Like to see him dance his way out of that one!

-Chris

This has been a really fun thread by the way. I love it!  ;D

Quote from: BioMechanical on Jan 13, 2012, 06:01:28 AM
Look dude, these movies have been talking about how shady some elements of the establishment has been since the first movie came out in 79. Now they are going to even go deeper than that in this new film. It's so obvious that they are going to be talking about how shady the establishment is on a grander scale, in terms of a whole, and not just some greedy companies of the old. Ridley said it himself in this quote  "the cast come to find an establishment that they did not expect it to be."

So there you have it Rich England. Just as Droideggs said above. Preconditioning is under way. Whether you like it or not, you will be preconditioned on June 8, 2012   8)

preconditioning? lmao, you are seriously deluded,... now would you care to go back and address the claims you made about me when starting your name calling? ive asked you to back them up? please do so or shut up.

oh, and btw, that quote of ridleys is about the planet they go to and has nothing to do with freemasons.

Quote from: RICH-ENGLAND on Jan 13, 2012, 06:05:02 AM

Quote from: BioMechanical on Jan 13, 2012, 06:01:28 AM
Look dude, these movies have been talking about how shady some elements of the establishment has been since the first movie came out in 79. Now they are going to even go deeper than that in this new film. It's so obvious that they are going to be talking about how shady the establishment is on a grander scale, in terms of a whole, and not just some greedy companies of the old. Ridley said it himself in this quote  "the cast come to find an establishment that they did not expect it to be."

So there you have it Rich England. Just as Droideggs said above. Preconditioning is under way. Whether you like it or not, you will be preconditioned on June 8, 2012   8)

preconditioning? lmao, you are seriously deluded,... now would you care to go back and address the claims you made about me when starting your name calling? ive asked you to back them up? please do so or shut up.

I love you Rich England! I want to have your baby!  :laugh:

Quote from: BioMechanical on Jan 13, 2012, 06:07:55 AM

Quote from: RICH-ENGLAND on Jan 13, 2012, 06:05:02 AM

Quote from: BioMechanical on Jan 13, 2012, 06:01:28 AM
Look dude, these movies have been talking about how shady some elements of the establishment has been since the first movie came out in 79. Now they are going to even go deeper than that in this new film. It's so obvious that they are going to be talking about how shady the establishment is on a grander scale, in terms of a whole, and not just some greedy companies of the old. Ridley said it himself in this quote  "the cast come to find an establishment that they did not expect it to be."

So there you have it Rich England. Just as Droideggs said above. Preconditioning is under way. Whether you like it or not, you will be preconditioned on June 8, 2012   8)

preconditioning? lmao, you are seriously deluded,... now would you care to go back and address the claims you made about me when starting your name calling? ive asked you to back them up? please do so or shut up.

I love you Rich England! I want to have your baby!  :laugh:

ok, ill take that as you cant go and back up your claims cos you made them up which in turn makes YOU the one thats trolling to get a rise out of people.

go back to ats and 4chan  where you belong....

thanks

rich

Quote from: RICH-ENGLAND on Jan 13, 2012, 05:53:25 AMthat wasnt aimed at you droid eggs , please read the posts and quotes properly, that was aimed at the moron that started with the name calling,

and no, it wouldnt be good for ridley to get too far involved with nonsense, it would be embarrassing beyond belief, again, all that nonsense is irrelevant, as far as prometheus being linked to any ancient astonaut theory it will probably be along the lines of "gods/aliens made man" and thats about it...

buzz aldrin has also stated that he was winding people up with his comments, they wanted something from him so he humoured them.... theres nothing to it

thanks

rich

you keep editing your posts. either way, its a bit harsh.

also, 'gods/aliens made man' is the core of AA theory.

as far as Buzz Aldrin saying he was humoring people, would like to see a source on that. I don't doubt what you're saying. Its still alarming that he said it not once but twice.

anyhow, lets stop bickering and get back on topic.

Thanks.

Quote from: ChrisPachi on Jan 13, 2012, 06:03:04 AMHe also said that Phobos is a spaceship. Like to see him dance his way out of that one!

-Chris

Carl Sagan said Phobos was a space ship as well in his first published book 'Intelligent Life in the Universe.' I guess that makes Carl Sagan and Buzz Aldrin, two very established, trusted sources, coming out stating that Phobos was artificial.

http://www.amazon.com/Intelligent-Life-Universe-I-Shklovskii/dp/189280302X/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1326435099&sr=8-1 (http://www.amazon.com/Intelligent-Life-Universe-I-Shklovskii/dp/189280302X/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1326435099&sr=8-1)

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heres the truth behind buzz aldrins ufo interview (not the monolith one) that was taken out of context....

QuoteIn 2005, while being interviewed for a documentary titled First on the Moon: The Untold Story, Aldrin told an interviewer that they saw an unidentified flying object. Aldrin told David Morrison, an NAI Senior Scientist, that the documentary cut the crew's conclusion that they were probably seeing one of four detached spacecraft adapter panels. Their S-IVB upper stage was 6,000 miles away, but the four panels were jettisoned before the S-IVB made its separation maneuver so they would closely follow the Apollo 11 spacecraft until its first midcourse correction.[38]When Aldrin appeared on The Howard Stern Showon August 15, 2007, Stern asked him about the supposed UFO sighting. Aldrin confirmed that there was no such sighting of anything deemed extraterrestrial, and said they were and are "99.9 percent" sure that the object was the detached panel.[39][40][41]

Interviewed by the Science Channel, Aldrin mentioned seeing unidentified objects, and he claims his words were taken out of context; he asked the Science Channel to clarify to viewers he did not see alien spacecraft, but they refused.[42

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buzz_Aldrin (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buzz_Aldrin)

i will try and find the quote about the monoliths, buti cant promise as i read it a few years ago on a thread about such things on one of the many such conspiracy/skeptic websites im a member of.

thanks

rich

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just one point to make...

if you believe that theres a global conspiracy to keep the truth from us by the global elites/freemasons/illuminate whatever you want to call them, which would obviously entail media control (as has been claimed with fox especially and most other media sources), do you reall y think they would allow one of their own astronauts to start spilling the secrets on a chat show? and allow that chat show to air?...... think about that?????

thanks

rich

Quote from: RICH-ENGLAND on Jan 13, 2012, 06:21:15 AMif you believe that theres a global conspiracy to keep the truth from us by the global elites/freemasons/illuminate whatever you want to call them, which would obviously entail media control (as has been claimed with fox especially and most other media sources), do you reall y think they would allow one of their own astronauts to start spilling the secrets on a chat show? and allow that chat show to air?...... think about that?????

thanks

rich

you bring up a good point. his statements can be complete disinfo. its not just buzz aldrin that made statements about the paranormal (UFOs, monoliths), however, Gordon Cooper, a Mercury Astronaut made a statement witnessing UFOs as well when he was a test pilot.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvPR8T1o3Dc# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvPR8T1o3Dc#)

Edgar Mitchell, Apollo Astronaut, made a statement with regards to UFOs and made the extraordinary claim that there was a government coverup involved as well. That makes it three astronauts, making extraordinary claims. 3 astronauts that have physically traveled the cosmos. Don't even get me started with the cosmonauts.   8) But could it all be disinfo? Thats possible too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhNdxdveK7c#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhNdxdveK7c#ws)

there have been attempts to discredit these astronauts, claiming that they're old and senile now, and unreliable. Thats a deplorable thing to say though, especially for what they have accomplished for the United States.

heres one quote i found from aldrin on the monolith from alex jones radio show....

Quote"It's a big, big, tall rock. Now I could say it looks like maybe a crude construction device by some creatures who practiced on Phobos and then landed in Egypt and built the pyramids. I don't really believe that. But some people are liable to think that".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMcF0cJMDT0#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMcF0cJMDT0#ws)

now you can take that how you want because conspiracy theorists will just say hes covering up.

thanks

rich

Quote from: droideggs on Jan 13, 2012, 06:14:23 AMCarl Sagan said Phobos was a space ship as well in his first published book 'Intelligent Life in the Universe.' I guess that makes Carl Sagan and Buzz Aldrin, two very established, trusted sources, coming out stating that Phobos was artificial.

Love Carl, but if he did say that, he was wrong. Carl also always believed that there was life on Mars. He was a brilliant mind, but not everything he says is gospel. Hawking was wrong on occasion as well. So was Einstein.

-Chris

Quote from: droideggs on Jan 13, 2012, 06:14:23 AM

Quote from: RICH-ENGLAND on Jan 13, 2012, 05:53:25 AMthat wasnt aimed at you droid eggs , please read the posts and quotes properly, that was aimed at the moron that started with the name calling,

and no, it wouldnt be good for ridley to get too far involved with nonsense, it would be embarrassing beyond belief, again, all that nonsense is irrelevant, as far as prometheus being linked to any ancient astonaut theory it will probably be along the lines of "gods/aliens made man" and thats about it...

buzz aldrin has also stated that he was winding people up with his comments, they wanted something from him so he humoured them.... theres nothing to it

thanks

rich

you keep editing your posts. either way, its a bit harsh.

also, 'gods/aliens made man' is the core of AA theory.

as far as Buzz Aldrin saying he was humoring people, would like to see a source on that. I don't doubt what you're saying. Its still alarming that he said it not once but twice.

anyhow, lets stop bickering and get back on topic.

Thanks.

Quote from: ChrisPachi on Jan 13, 2012, 06:03:04 AMHe also said that Phobos is a spaceship. Like to see him dance his way out of that one!

-Chris

Carl Sagan said Phobos was a space ship as well in his first published book 'Intelligent Life in the Universe.' I guess that makes Carl Sagan and Buzz Aldrin, two very established, trusted sources, coming out stating that Phobos was artificial.

http://www.amazon.com/Intelligent-Life-Universe-I-Shklovskii/dp/189280302X/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1326435099&sr=8-1 (http://www.amazon.com/Intelligent-Life-Universe-I-Shklovskii/dp/189280302X/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1326435099&sr=8-1)

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51SFARVKHTL._SS500_.jpg

Carl Sagan is the man. He talked about extraterrestrial life a lot in his books. This is the same man that worked on some of the NASA Programs in the 60s and 70s. Never heard the one about Phobos before. I'm checking it out now. Very interesting. I have heard that our moon is a sort of false moon though. That is was brought here by something, someone.. Without the moon there would be know life here. At least no intelligent life anyways.

It's funny because I remember watching Beast Wars back when I was in my junior and senior year of high school. They actually had an episode in there about the moon being a fake moon weapon.In one episode the moon transforms into a laser and tried to destroy all life on earth, including the Maximals. There were other episodes were they had aliens in it that were going to war with the Maximals (transformers). The aliens were the engineers and the Maximals where the apposing second race. Sound familiar? It wasn't till some years later after I've gotten older, it was obvious that show had a strong AA overtone to it. 

This was a Saturday morning first CGI show of it's kind. Wow, it's funny how they put this shit right in front of your face..

Quote from: droideggs on Jan 13, 2012, 06:40:20 AM

Quote from: RICH-ENGLAND on Jan 13, 2012, 06:21:15 AMif you believe that theres a global conspiracy to keep the truth from us by the global elites/freemasons/illuminate whatever you want to call them, which would obviously entail media control (as has been claimed with fox especially and most other media sources), do you reall y think they would allow one of their own astronauts to start spilling the secrets on a chat show? and allow that chat show to air?...... think about that?????

thanks

rich

you bring up a good point. his statements can be complete disinfo. its not just buzz aldrin that made statements about the paranormal (UFOs, monoliths), however, Gordon Cooper, a Mercury Astronaut made a statement witnessing UFOs as well when he was a test pilot.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvPR8T1o3Dc# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvPR8T1o3Dc#)

Edgar Mitchell, Apollo Astronaut, made a statement with regards to UFOs and made the extraordinary claim that there was a government coverup involved as well. That makes it three astronauts, making extraordinary claims. 3 astronauts that have physically traveled the cosmos. Don't even get me started with the cosmonauts.   8) But could it all be disinfo? Thats possible too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhNdxdveK7c#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhNdxdveK7c#ws)

i know, ive seen all this stuff before, and its all been debunked to a degree.

and again i will just make the same point, if we have this global conspiracy keeping the truth from us would they allow these people to start spilling the truth?... james oberg has taken all this stuff to pieces many many times , but ive done my bit here about debunking aldrin, ill let you look up the rest in your own time because as i already said, this is irrelevant to the movie and is turning this thread into a conspiracy to and fro which will just go on forever and doesnt belong here.

thanks

rich

Quote from: RICH-ENGLAND on Jan 13, 2012, 06:42:05 AM
heres one quote i found from aldrin on the monolith from alex jones radio show....

Quote"It's a big, big, tall rock. Now I could say it looks like maybe a crude construction device by some creatures who practiced on Phobos and then landed in Egypt and built the pyramids. I don't really believe that. But some people are liable to think that".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMcF0cJMDT0#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMcF0cJMDT0#ws)

now you can take that how you want because conspiracy theorists will just say hes covering up.

thanks

rich

wow thats pretty cryptic, the way he said it. it reminds me of a statement made by Neil Armstrong to a young audience when he was invited to the White House to make a speech.

Quote...for those who can remove one of truth's protective layers.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUx1SURbb3g# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUx1SURbb3g#)

i think being aware of statements like this would make the movie more interesting and emotionally involving. Even if its all just hogwash as you say it is, it makes for an interesting movie experience to read about this stuff then watch the movie.

Sir Ridley Scott is going to make a killer movie I can see it already. I mean this guy made Blade Runner!  ;D

one more point on the astronauts... it doesnt have to be disinfo at all, it coul;d simply be them craving the attention or wanting to sell books etc same as many other people do such as phillip j corso, author of the nonsense day after roswell book ... something to do when they get older.

im quite sure all these people will be under some sort of non disclosure/secrets agreement for life anyway, so theres no way in hell any government would allow them to spill the beans.

just like the ex s.a.s members here in england that write books, they have to be submitted to the government for checking before publishing to ensure theres no secrets being outed.

thanks

rich

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Quote from: droideggs on Jan 13, 2012, 06:49:38 AM

Quote from: RICH-ENGLAND on Jan 13, 2012, 06:42:05 AM
heres one quote i found from aldrin on the monolith from alex jones radio show....

Quote"It's a big, big, tall rock. Now I could say it looks like maybe a crude construction device by some creatures who practiced on Phobos and then landed in Egypt and built the pyramids. I don't really believe that. But some people are liable to think that".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMcF0cJMDT0#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMcF0cJMDT0#ws)

now you can take that how you want because conspiracy theorists will just say hes covering up.

thanks

rich

wow thats pretty cryptic, the way he said it. it reminds me of a statement made by Neil Armstrong to a young audience when he was invited to the White House to make a speech.

Quote...for those who can remove one of truth's protective layers.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUx1SURbb3g# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUx1SURbb3g#)

i think being aware of statements like this would make the movie more interesting and emotionally involving. Even if its all just hogwash as you say it is, it makes for an interesting movie experience to read about this stuff then watch the movie.

Sir Ridley Scott is going to make a killer movie I can see it already. I mean this guy made Blade Runner!  ;D

i dont doubt that theres alien life in this vast universe, in fact i really want it to be proven in my lifetime, ive always been interested in ufos etc and was once a blind believer... but the ability to check up on all this stuff has shown me most of it is nonsese.

i dont doubt ridley will make a great movie, and i have no problem with aspects of it taking inspiration from ancient alien theories BUT i really dont want it to go too deep into it, or be based on anything that we know is garbage or based on deluded lunatics illogical leaps of faith and assumptions like georgio tsukalos....

thanks

rich

Quote from: droideggs on Jan 13, 2012, 06:40:20 AM

Quote from: RICH-ENGLAND on Jan 13, 2012, 06:21:15 AMif you believe that theres a global conspiracy to keep the truth from us by the global elites/freemasons/illuminate whatever you want to call them, which would obviously entail media control (as has been claimed with fox especially and most other media sources), do you reall y think they would allow one of their own astronauts to start spilling the secrets on a chat show? and allow that chat show to air?...... think about that?????

thanks

rich

you bring up a good point. his statements can be complete disinfo. its not just buzz aldrin that made statements about the paranormal (UFOs, monoliths), however, Gordon Cooper, a Mercury Astronaut made a statement witnessing UFOs as well when he was a test pilot.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvPR8T1o3Dc# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvPR8T1o3Dc#)

Edgar Mitchell, Apollo Astronaut, made a statement with regards to UFOs and made the extraordinary claim that there was a government coverup involved as well. That makes it three astronauts, making extraordinary claims. 3 astronauts that have physically traveled the cosmos. Don't even get me started with the cosmonauts.   8) But could it all be disinfo? Thats possible too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhNdxdveK7c#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhNdxdveK7c#ws)

there have been attempts to discredit these astronauts, claiming that they're old and senile now, and unreliable. Thats a deplorable thing to say though, especially for what they have accomplished for the United States.

Even though those 3 astronauts were rigorously selected, cream of the crop pilots, rigorously trained, highly accomplished, dedicated and highly intelligent and outstanding individuals, the only logical and obvious explanation for what they thought they saw or experienced during their respective space missions, is tha what they all mistakenly thought were UFOs in flight, were in fact high (very) altitude weather balloons passing in front of the planet Venus, during an outbreak of deep space swamp gas, while hallucinating under the influence of psychotropic drugs, during a psychotic episode.

It's the only truly plausible explanation

Buzz Aldrin is also an author. You gotta watch those guys. 9 times out of 10 the UFO/AA 'experts' are all selling books. Buyer beware!

EDIT: RICH already made that point. Bugger.

-Chris

Quote from: ChrisPachi on Jan 13, 2012, 07:09:17 AM
Buzz Aldrin is also an author. You gotta watch those guys. 9 times out of 10 the UFO/AA 'experts' are all selling books. Buyer beware!

EDIT: RICH already made that point. Bugger.

-Chris

one has to realize that making bold statements such as this is jeopardizing his credibility. In fact, it would be better for him to stay in the mainstream line of thought. Because of the remarks he's made, in the public eye, it most likely affected his credibility.

just for fun.
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Quote from: droideggs on Jan 13, 2012, 06:49:38 AM

Quote from: RICH-ENGLAND on Jan 13, 2012, 06:42:05 AM
heres one quote i found from aldrin on the monolith from alex jones radio show....

Quote"It's a big, big, tall rock. Now I could say it looks like maybe a crude construction device by some creatures who practiced on Phobos and then landed in Egypt and built the pyramids. I don't really believe that. But some people are liable to think that".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMcF0cJMDT0#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMcF0cJMDT0#ws)

now you can take that how you want because conspiracy theorists will just say hes covering up.

thanks

rich

wow thats pretty cryptic, the way he said it. it reminds me of a statement made by Neil Armstrong to a young audience when he was invited to the White House to make a speech.

Quote...for those who can remove one of truth's protective layers.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUx1SURbb3g# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUx1SURbb3g#)

i think being aware of statements like this would make the movie more interesting and emotionally involving. Even if its all just hogwash as you say it is, it makes for an interesting movie experience to read about this stuff then watch the movie.

Sir Ridley Scott is going to make a killer movie I can see it already. I mean this guy made Blade Runner!  ;D

A few points:

A)  I would like to see the entirety of Neil Armstrong's speech...not just 50 seconds taken out of context.  Nevertheless...EVEN with that short clip, I would interpret Armstrong as meaning that, in order to discover "truths", we need to remove (or peel away) Nature's protective layer's.  I think he simply mis-spoke, and probably meant to say what I just wrote.  Nature does not give us answers all wrapped up in a nice little box with a shiny bow.  We need to use Science, and our critical and analytical minds to discern fundamental truths about Nature...which often lay hidden until they are revealed.  Metaphorically, our Universe is like an onion, the more layers we peel away, the more physical truths we expose...yet there are still hidden layers that compel us to search deeper.

B)  Former Astronaut Edgar Mitchell is not, IMHO, a stable man, and frankly he had issues even back when NASA let him go to the Moon.  He later admitted to conducting his own ESP and "remote viewing" experiments during his Apollo mission.  His "views" have only become more eccentric as time has gone on.

C)  While I didn't read the Carl Sagan book you have cited, I am pretty certain that Carl was making the argument that asteroids, or a very small moons (such as Phobus) could be used, in the future, as potential "generation" spaceships.  The concept is that they could be hollowed out (so to speak), and fitted with a self-sustaining life support system/biosphere, and thousands of people could be launched on an intestellar voyage that would take centuries, if not millenia.  Hence the term, "generation" star ship.  So, he probably was citing Phobus, as an example, of a potential future space-ship for humanity.

Quote from: droideggs on Jan 13, 2012, 07:16:05 AM
just for fun.
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;D

-Chris

Quote from: deuterium on Jan 13, 2012, 07:22:24 AMA few points:

A)  I would like to see the entirety of Neil Armstrong's speech...not just 50 seconds taken out of context.  Nevertheless...EVEN with that short clip, I would interpret Armstrong as meaning that, in order to discover "truths", we need to remove (or peel away) Nature's protective layer's.  I think he simply mis-spoke, and probably meant to say what I just wrote.  Nature does not give us answers all wrapped up in a nice little box with a shiny bow.  We need to use Science, and our critical and analytical minds to discern fundamental truths about Nature...which often lay hidden until they are revealed.  Metaphorically, our Universe is like an onion, the more layers we peel away, the more physical truths we expose...yet there are still hidden layers that compel us to search deeper.

B)  Former Astronaut Edgar Mitchell is not, IMHO, a stable man, and frankly he had issues even back when NASA let him go to the Moon.  He later admitted to conducting his own ESP and "remote viewing" experiments during his Apollo mission.  His "views" have only become more eccentric as time has gone on.

C)  While I didn't read the Carl Sagan book you have cited, I am pretty certain that Carl was making the argument that asteroids, or a very small moons (such as Phobus) could be used, in the future, as potential "generation" spaceships.  The concept is that they could be hollowed out (so to speak), and fitted with a self-sustaining life support system/biosphere, and thousands of people could be launched on an intestellar voyage that would take centuries, if not millenia.  Hence the term, "generation" star ship.  So, he probably was citing Phobus, as an example, of a potential future space-ship for humanity.

For B, I don't see how his involvement with ESP is considered fringe or a measure of his stability. Its a legitimate phenomenon.

Carl Sagan's book made the argument that Phobos was actually somehow being artificially propped up based on his mathematical analysis of its orbit around Mars.

Personally, I don't believe in the idea that UFOs are physical craft. I believe they are more metaphysical in nature. But there is no doubt that a UFO phenomenon exists. It just doesn't mean that they're aliens.

Quote from: droideggs on Jan 13, 2012, 07:47:04 AMCarl Sagan's book made the argument that Phobos was actually somehow being artificially propped up based on his mathematical analysis of its orbit around Mars.

Sagan did not make that claim, his co-author did. And it was rhetorical.

-Chris

Quote from: ChrisPachi on Jan 13, 2012, 08:00:08 AM

Quote from: droideggs on Jan 13, 2012, 07:47:04 AMCarl Sagan's book made the argument that Phobos was actually somehow being artificially propped up based on his mathematical analysis of its orbit around Mars.

Sagan did not make that claim, his co-author did. And it was rhetorical.

-Chris

Its pretty much an endorsement of that view. Else he wouldn't associate his name with Shklovskii. And its not like he's any less credible than Carl Sagan. He definitely knows more about the cosmos than any of us, definitely more qualified that's for sure.

I would laugh hysterically if Ridley Scott started to show UFOs and lasers coming out of it. It would be like the ending of the Crystal Skulls haha.

Quote from: droideggs on Jan 13, 2012, 07:47:04 AM
For B, I don't see how his involvement with ESP is considered fringe or a measure of his stability. Its a legitimate phenomenon.

Well, I very much disagree with you on this...but I respect your opinion, nonetheless.

Quote from: droideggs on Jan 13, 2012, 07:47:04 AM

Carl Sagan's book made the argument that Phobos was actually somehow being artificially propped up based on his mathematical analysis of its orbit around Mars.

Well, Carl got it wrong.  What was the publishing date on that book?  Current scientific consensus is that Phobus is most likely a captured asteroid...and in fact, it is NOT in a stable orbit.  It's orbit is slowly decaying, and in approx. 11 million years it will either impact onto Mars, or will be torn apart by Mars' tidal gravity, and accrete into a planetary ring.

Quote from: droideggs on Jan 13, 2012, 07:47:04 AM


Personally, I don't believe in the idea that UFOs are physical craft. I believe they are more metaphysical in nature. But there is no doubt that a UFO phenomenon exists. It just doesn't mean that they're aliens.

I agree that there exists a "UFO" phenomena within our culture.

The problem with believing these people, even the astronauts is that even if something is going on they are probably at least somewhat still tied to whatever government or organization put these people in a position to be "in the know", or aboard a craft supposedly observing some alien crafts. They're going to look out for their and that groups best interests. In the case of a real insider wishing to break from that group it means not talking about it too much. With this how can they not expect at least some of us to pay attention. We're being spoonfed it all.

  One astronaut actually spoke about them being warned off the moon by somebody.  He doesn't specify who but I think he knows,  in my belief the U.S. was warned off by the Russians during the cold war and Russia actually won the space race. America is saving face but did actually make it to the moon.  It's a cover story created to hide the fact that Russians were already on the moon, hell the crafts could have been the Russians too. In fact, the rumors of what's really going on now with the Russian space program, and now China's, are far more interesting and in some ways plausible.

However, there are actually far more examples from mythology/archaeology that support the existence of the mythic antediluvian cultures like Atlantis, Mu, Lemuria, Hyperborea, Ultimathule, Rama etc. etc. Thing is, some of these guys are said to have flying crafts and could be who the Indian Vedas were talking about, living out in the ocean or in distant highly advanced lands. They give lists of the various types of flying crafts they claim were around about 70 000 years ago, as well as designs and even instructions for how to maintain your flying craft.
It amazes me that more alien astronaut researchers don't mention the ancient Indian Vedas because a lot of that stuff seems to be meant to be taken literally.  There's little metaphor when you get to descriptions of interiors of the crafts.  Some Indian historians even do accept some of the more recent stuff about the ancient city sites, mainly because they accurately describe locations/sections of long buried/sunken cities archaeologists have uncovered.  Maybe it's because A) The crafts are mainly implied to have been built by humans or the demi-god class and therefore not really alien. B) Many references to them originally coming from other lands or an island empire ruling the waters, and "floating islands" that seem like bigger crafts. Also not aliens because this seems like the Atlanteans who were considered to be a mythic Island empire to Plato, not just a single island but a central one with many outliers (I guess you could argue they maybe came from space, but only one South African tribe really has an oral tradition that backs this up and it's stretching a bit) C) Most of the crafts wouldn't have been able to go very fast, or able to leave/reenter our atmosphere.  They even describe some of how they work and reveal that one of the symbols most closely associated with the so-called Vril energy is the swastika.  This should make people who believe Hitler was flying the foo fighters very happy because the secret society to which he belonged, the only one he allowed to exist in Nazi Germany was called the Vril society, named after the vril energy of the Indian Vedas.

It's my hypothesis that he took some additional clues with him back from India and Tibet that allowed his engineers to recreate one of the types of Vimanas, or flying vehicles. He also adopted the Swastika which had turned into a symbol of good luck in India, and canted it, to indicate the spin of the vril energy in motion driving the flying crafts of the saucer type.  Most that don't follow a typical flying saucer design using Earth's own gravity are depicted as some sort of balloon craft, or airship. The others seriously sound like the Ancient Indians had access to anti-gravity somehow and this might be what intelligence agencies today are working on recreating.  The largest crafts, sometimes called flying islands were said to be able to destroy cities, however it's made apparent in their mythology that someone on Earth was sending them and the Indian ruling class at that knew more about them and tried to combat them with their flying crafts which sets up some of the most amazing battles described in any culture's mythology. As well it sets up Krishna as possibly an emissary from one of these other lands in the rest of their writings.

Quote from: Malakak on Jan 13, 2012, 08:18:51 AM
The problem with believing these people, even the astronauts is that even if something is going on they are probably at least somewhat still tied to whatever government or organization put these people in a position to be "in the know", or aboard a craft supposedly observing some alien crafts. They're going to look out for their and that groups best interests. In the case of a real insider wishing to break from that group it means not talking about it too much. With this how can they not expect at least some of us to pay attention. We're being spoonfed it all.

  One astronaut actually spoke about them being warned off the moon by somebody.  He doesn't specify who but I think he knows,  in my belief the U.S. was warned off by the Russians during the cold war and Russia actually won the space race. America is saving face but did actually make it to the moon.  It's a cover story created to hide the fact that Russians were already on the moon, hell the crafts could have been the Russians too. In fact, the rumors of what's really going on now with the Russian space program, and now China's, are far more interesting and in some ways plausible.

Are you serious...do you really believe this?  The Russians lost the Moon race when their N1 launch vehicle exploded on each of it's four consecutive unmanned tests!

My God, how anyone with a serious, critical and rational mind could possibly believe what you just posted is beyond my comprehension.  If the Russians beat us to the Moon, they would have been shouting it from every mountaintop from here to Khazakstan.  Yet, for some inconceivable reason, they have covered it up, and decided to give their mortal enemy (the USA) full credit for being the first and only Country to land men on the Moon, and return them safely to Earth.  Yeah, that makes sense <<SARCASM>>

** We did that six times, incidentally! **

There's a lot of info and theories out there. I believe all the U.F.O.s that aren't explainable as something like a bird, weather ballon, or something similar are man made. That's as far as I'll really go into it. It's all propaganda, even the manufactured conspiracy stories. To boil it all down and come up with something that fits all the most reliable data you have to look at many, many sources. Ultimately it's only my interpretation of all the most credible rumors that aren't picked up by every conspiracy theorist and his brother, and combining that with some of what we think might have actually happened with the Nazis/the ancient Vimanas and later the space race stuff as U.s.a and the soviets both acquire some nazi secrets and Berlin is split in two.

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The soviets would have invariably needed to have use of the German rocket technology as opposed to secret saucers that can only travel within earth's atmosphere.  These would have been launched in secret and some would have known, space race in full swing, years later we get some reports that they were warned off the moon, and we're supposed to believe it was aliens since now the space programs cooperate with each other and can work on their secret crafts together. Oh wait! No Nasa anymore, guess the department of defenses space program has to continue running it's space program quietly.

Quote from: Malakak on Jan 13, 2012, 08:44:24 AMUltimately it's only my interpretation of all the most credible rumors that aren't picked up by every conspiracy theorist and his brother, and combining that with some of what we think might have actually happened with the Nazis/the ancient Vimanas and later the space race stuff as U.s.a and the soviets both acquire some nazi secrets and Berlin is split in two.

"The Vaimānika Shāstra ("Science of Aeronautics"[1]; also Vimanika, Vymanika) is an early 20th century Sanskrit text on aeronautics obtained by psychic channeling and automatic writing. It makes the claim that the vimānas mentioned in ancient Sanskrit epics were advanced aerodynamic flying vehicles, similar to a rocket."

Poppycock.

There are rational, Earth-bound explanations for everything that AA proponents tout as evidence. Where things get murky is when rubbish like the Vaimānika Shāstra get confused with historical texts.

-Chris

Quote from: Malakak on Jan 13, 2012, 08:44:24 AM
The soviets would have invariably needed to have use of the German rocket technology as opposed to secret saucers that can only travel within earth's atmosphere.  These would have been launched in secret and some would have known, space race in full swing, years later we get some reports that they were warned off the moon, and we're supposed to believe it was aliens since now the space programs cooperate with each other and can work on their secret crafts together. Oh wait! No Nasa anymore, guess the department of defenses space program has to continue running it's space program quietly.

Malakak...I'm sure you are a good person, and mean well...but you have totally lost me.  I honestly don't know what you are trying to say.

Nobody was "warned off the moon".  The Russians lost the Moon race.  The USA won the Moon race.  End of story.
Am I missing something here?

Quote from: ChrisPachi on Jan 13, 2012, 08:53:45 AM

Quote from: Malakak on Jan 13, 2012, 08:44:24 AMUltimately it's only my interpretation of all the most credible rumors that aren't picked up by every conspiracy theorist and his brother, and combining that with some of what we think might have actually happened with the Nazis/the ancient Vimanas and later the space race stuff as U.s.a and the soviets both acquire some nazi secrets and Berlin is split in two.

"The Vaimānika Shāstra ("Science of Aeronautics"[1]; also Vimanika, Vymanika) is an early 20th century Sanskrit text on aeronautics obtained by psychic channeling and automatic writing. It makes the claim that the vimānas mentioned in ancient Sanskrit epics were advanced aerodynamic flying vehicles, similar to a rocket."

Poppycock.

There are rational, Earth-bound explanations for everything that AA proponents tout as evidence. Where things get murky is when rubbish like the Vaimānika Shāstra get confused with historical texts.

-Chris

Sorry but I disagree because the "ancient sankrit epics" are what I'm referring to. It's called the "Vedas" a collection of ancient indian texts originally written in Sanskrit.  This just shows that some so-called psychics in the 20th century were obsessed with the flying machines described in this ancient collection of poetry. If anything I think this is what a lot of the earlier german secret societies were up to. Trying to magically dream up ways to recreate the flying machines outlined in the "Vedas".  See it's based on the vedas and the Vimana I would assume, but these guys weren't the ancient Indians that originally wrote the epics.

Quote from: Malakak on Jan 13, 2012, 08:58:44 AMSorry but I disagree because the "ancient sankrit epics" are what I'm referring to.

Which have nothing to do with Ancient Astronauts. Good, we agree. Sorry for mistaking you for another AA nut. ;)

Quote from: Malakak on Jan 13, 2012, 08:58:44 AMIf anything I think this is what a lot of the earlier german secret societies were up to. Trying to magically dream up ways to recreate the flying machines outlined in the "Vedas".

http://www.youtube.com/embed/4KEueJnsu80 (http://www.youtube.com/embed/4KEueJnsu80)

-Chris

Malakak, you are making my head spin.  First you say something completely rational, like:

Quote from: Malakak on Jan 13, 2012, 08:58:44 AM
It's called the "Vedas" a collection of ancient indian texts originally written in Sanskrit.  This just shows that some so-called psychics in the 20th century were obsessed with the flying machines described in this ancient collection of poetry.

Then you go completely off the reservation with a comment like:

Quote from: Malakak on Jan 13, 2012, 08:58:44 AM
If anything I think this is what a lot of the earlier german secret societies were up to. Trying to magically dream up ways to recreate the flying machines outlined in the "Vedas".

Quote from: deuterium on Jan 13, 2012, 08:56:41 AMAm I missing something here?

There is an urban legend about a lost Russian cosmonaut who's last transmission was picked up by a couple of radio shack nerds.

-Chris

actually he has a point with ancient Indian Vedic texts. Hollywood already put that theme in 'The Watchmen' with Dr. Manhattan. They used his third eye (all seeing eye), or chakra, as the atom. Thats awesome.

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Quote from: ChrisPachi on Jan 13, 2012, 09:03:39 AM

Quote from: Malakak on Jan 13, 2012, 08:58:44 AMSorry but I disagree because the "ancient sankrit epics" are what I'm referring to.

Which have nothing to do with Ancient Astronauts. Good, we agree. Sorry for mistaking you for another AA nut. ;)

Quote from: Malakak on Jan 13, 2012, 08:58:44 AMIf anything I think this is what a lot of the earlier german secret societies were up to. Trying to magically dream up ways to recreate the flying machines outlined in the "Vedas".

http://youtu.be/4KEueJnsu80 (http://youtu.be/4KEueJnsu80)

-Chris

You totally missed my point then because there are flying vehicles described in this ancient text called the Vedas that the book you posted about is referring to with some lame psychics trying to dream up how the ancient Indians built them.  When there are actual descriptions of how they function in the Vedas.  You don't have to be psychic to see how they, and German rocket scientists might have got some of their ideas.  How does that not have to do with AA?? It still could, it's just the aliens would have handed over the tech a very, very long time ago, though. The speculation on my part is that they were from something like Atlantis originally, but that's only one interpretation of the Vedas. That's the one i was talking about the whole time in my first post. I said there is little that says they are aliens in that post, but we do know many cultures that had advanced knowledge of planetary bodies. The church somehow forgot 1000's of years later that the sun is the center of the solar system.

You have to look at the big picture and realize that ancient mythologies that didn't talk about flying machines, or gods from the sky/stars/waters are the exclusion. I'm an anthropologist btw and one of many who believes in an antediluvian culture once existing on earth.

Quote from: ChrisPachi on Jan 13, 2012, 09:10:19 AM

Quote from: deuterium on Jan 13, 2012, 08:56:41 AMAm I missing something here?

There is an urban legend about a lost Russian cosmonaut who's last transmission was picked up by a couple of radio shack nerds.

-Chris

LOL, I hadn't heard that one.  So, we needed an incredibly expensive array of sophisticated high gain antenna arrays (MSFN --- Manned Space Flight Network and DSN -- Deep Space Network) to communicate with our Apollo astronauts...if only we had just sent some folks from Mission Control down to their local Radio Shack.

I got a headache.  I am signing off for the night.  Cheers, mates!

Quote from: Malakak on Jan 13, 2012, 09:15:21 AMYou have to look at the big picture and realize that ancient mythologies that didn't talk about flying machines, or gods from the sky/stars/waters are the exclusion.

That's right. The difference is that all of these texts and stories were invented by human beings trying to make sense of the cosmos and the world around them. It does not in any way suggest that they had any kind of privileged knowledge. The sun being the center of the solar system can be deduced by reason alone, so just because the christian church took so long to come to grips with it doesn't mean that other cultures could not have arrived at the same conclusion.

As you say, you have to look at the big picture, not just history through a 'western' looking glass.

Quote from: deuterium on Jan 13, 2012, 09:22:07 AMI got a headache.  I am signing off for the night.  Cheers, mates!

Cheers :)

-Chris

Quote from: deuterium on Jan 13, 2012, 09:05:40 AM
Malakak, you are making my head spin.  First you say something completely rational, like:

Quote from: Malakak on Jan 13, 2012, 08:58:44 AM
It's called the "Vedas" a collection of ancient indian texts originally written in Sanskrit.  This just shows that some so-called psychics in the 20th century were obsessed with the flying machines described in this ancient collection of poetry.

Then you go completely off the reservation with a comment like:

Quote from: Malakak on Jan 13, 2012, 08:58:44 AM
If anything I think this is what a lot of the earlier german secret societies were up to. Trying to magically dream up ways to recreate the flying machines outlined in the "Vedas".

Well we know Hitler outlaws all the other secret societies in Germany except for his which was the Vril society, and has everything to do with the Vedas, Vimanas, and Vril energy(not fully revealed what it is in the texts) but becomes another society later. Can't remember what it's called when the Nazis are in power because they change the name. But it's all been documented, the same belief structure most likely, and slightly different than the beliefs of aleister crowley etc., though he does appropriate some ideas. Then he killed off many of the gypsies that weren't "with him" early on.

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Haha I'm sure many of you think I'm a little off now so I'll just shut up. I've over-analyzed ancient myth and some of the conspiracy theories pertaining to ancient cultures for years now, but to hardcore conspiracy theorists some of this will make sense. Just don't have time to discuss it all here. The idea is that the Russians had something similar to "operation paperclip" and inherited a lot of what the nazi rocket scientists were doing in secret. To learn about this lookup operation paperclip and foo fighters (not the band) to give you an idea of what the Nazis might have been up to and the secrets Russia and U.S.A. gained after the war.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foo_fighter (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foo_fighter)
All the UFOs ever witnessed by credible sources that were saucer shaped are completely man-made, imho, recreated from an earlier time when we were more advanced, for whatever reason.  This is where those crazy Germans got their ideas for space flight. Hitler reflected what his scientists were secretly trying to achieve by using the swastika, a symbol actually once associated with ancient flying machines. Maybe because almost modern homo sapiens have been around for approx 2.5 million years some civilization we've forgotten developed them, maybe alien intervention took place. Whatever the case, the beings are most times depicted as human, leading me to believe they are actually from Earth. Prometheus will most likely go the other way, the hardcore conspiracy theorist way, and say hominids from another planet seeded life here instead of confronting the wealth of info in the legends about the lost lands/continents. Lots of the alien astronaut theorists ignore the possible links to an advanced human civilization that was able to dominate most areas and give megalithic stone working techniques to later cultures all around the world. It's just another possibility, that I think is actually more plausible than what AA theory spouts. Some elites seem to encode ancient themes and symbols in past American space flight insignias, and when you study what so called secret societies are really up to, it's not much, but they emulate an Egyptian system of symbol-magick that Crowley endorsed. Almost every ancient symbol encoded in the space flight insignias is related to Egypt or Atlantis in the system of magick. So, it's strange they show up in the mission insignias more prominently when they named the shuttles Endeavor.Discovery. Atlantis.

Quote from: droideggs on Jan 13, 2012, 09:13:56 AM
actually he has a point with ancient Indian Vedic texts. Hollywood already put that theme in 'The Watchmen' with Dr. Manhattan. They used his third eye (all seeing eye), or chakra, as the atom. Thats awesome.

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You mean Alan Moore dont you? not hollywood.

Dr. Manhattan also had the blue skin of Krishna ;)   Also, some African tribes talked about blue crystals the rulers of the waters used, perhaps the same people.  Now, I don't think there were actually blue skinned people teaching humanity how to unlock things like atomic power, but I think the blue skin could represent something.

This thread is, frankly, batshit, and has veered so very far from any relation to Prometheus. Tempted to lock ... unless you tie this back in with Scott's comments and the new film.

Quote from: Malakak on Jan 13, 2012, 09:33:30 AMAlmost every ancient symbol encoded in the space flight insignias is related to Egypt or Atlantis in the system of magick. So, it's strange they show up in the mission insignias more prominently when they named the shuttles Endeavor. Discovery. Atlantis.

And 'Prometheus'. Humans re-interpreting humans interpreting history. Nothing mystical about it at all. Memes upon memes etc etc.

Quote from: Valaquen on Jan 13, 2012, 11:49:04 AMThis thread is, frankly, batshit

:D

-Chris

Quote from: Valaquen on Jan 13, 2012, 11:49:04 AMTempted to lock ... unless you tie this back in with Scott's comments and the new film.

"There's this German [sic] bloke by the name of von Däniken who came up with this brilliant idea that Earth was visited by beings from outer space, whom shaped our history. Fascinating. I plan to steal some of these ideas and build a prequel to Alien, showing the Space Jockey and his race being the aliens that shaped our past." - Ridley Scott

(You didn't say it couldn't be a fabricated comment...)
;)

Quote from: maledoro on Jan 13, 2012, 12:40:06 PM

Quote from: Valaquen on Jan 13, 2012, 11:49:04 AMTempted to lock ... unless you tie this back in with Scott's comments and the new film.

"There's this German [sic] bloke by the name of von Däniken who came up with this brilliant idea that Earth was visited by beings from outer space, whom shaped our history. Fascinating. I plan to steal some of these ideas and build a prequel to Alien, showing the Space Jockey and his race being the aliens that shaped our past" - Ridley Scott

(You didn't say it couldn't be a fabricated comment...)
;)

:laugh: Mal - thread saver

Quote from: maledoro on Jan 13, 2012, 12:40:06 PM"There's this German [sic] bloke by the name of von Däniken who came up with this brilliant idea that Earth was visited by beings from outer space, whom shaped our history. Fascinating. I plan to steal some of these ideas and build a prequel to Alien, showing the Space Jockey and his race being the aliens that shaped our past." - Ridley Scott

If only you were joking...

-Chris

QuoteOne astronaut actually spoke about them being warned off the moon by somebody.  He doesn't specify who but I think he knows,  in my belief the U.S. was warned off by the Russians during the cold war and Russia actually won the space race. America is saving face but did actually make it to the moon.  It's a cover story created to hide the fact that Russians were already on the moon, hell the crafts could have been the Russians too. In fact, the rumors of what's really going on now with the Russian space program, and now China's, are far more interesting and in some ways plausible.

Yeah, I don't know. I personally think the cold war was a scam. I think the russians and U.S. were working together to scare the shit out of their populations in order to bring about control over them. Kind of like what's going on now with the "war on terror."

Conspiracy theories are always so much simpler and digestible than the actual, more fascinating history behind them...

I'm starting to wonder if any of the films general ideas are vaguely inspired by Clifford Simak's novel Cosmic Engineers which was written somewhere in the 1950s (in Pre-Daniken times), with all this talk about Engineers of the cosmos or whatever which also touches on the idea that the human race were descended from another civilisation from a world orbiting another star that crashed into our star. Simak was also responsible for the story Junkyard which fed O'Bannon with ideas for his Alien script.

Link to PDF of the novel
http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=cosmic%20engineers%20clifford%20d%20simak&source=web&cd=3&ved=0CEMQFjAC&url=http%3A%2F%2Farthursbookshelf.com%2Fsci-fi%2Fsimak%2Fclifford%2520d.%2520simak%2520-%2520cosmic%2520engineers.pdf&ei=SjwQT-btCYGn8gOerIH9Aw&usg=AFQjCNG2GMqUaKdRolxc1rqyJsvWWMqxeA&sig2=ENKyoCKHuzjxWRYVKLP_tA&cad=rja (http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=cosmic%20engineers%20clifford%20d%20simak&source=web&cd=3&ved=0CEMQFjAC&url=http%3A%2F%2Farthursbookshelf.com%2Fsci-fi%2Fsimak%2Fclifford%2520d.%2520simak%2520-%2520cosmic%2520engineers.pdf&ei=SjwQT-btCYGn8gOerIH9Aw&usg=AFQjCNG2GMqUaKdRolxc1rqyJsvWWMqxeA&sig2=ENKyoCKHuzjxWRYVKLP_tA&cad=rja)

Quote from: Valaquen on Jan 13, 2012, 01:59:28 PM
Conspiracy theories are always so much simpler and digestible than the actual, more fascinating history behind them...

I'm not seeing that.. It's more the other way around.  You walk into a bar and start saying this kind of stuff and it's usually fightin words. Just like with Mr. England. Lol.

Quote from: BioMechanical on Jan 13, 2012, 02:57:34 PM

Quote from: Valaquen on Jan 13, 2012, 01:59:28 PM
Conspiracy theories are always so much simpler and digestible than the actual, more fascinating history behind them...

I'm not seeing that.. It's more the other way around.  You walk into a bar and start saying this kind of stuff and it's usually fightin words. Just like with Mr. England. Lol.

Very true ;D Unless you're chatting with open minded anthropologists over a pint in a foreign pub.
Some really do question these things and refer to Ziggarats as UFO landing pads while giving lectures just for the hell of it.  Historians and Egyptologists have ultimate say over what makes it into textbooks and sometimes disregard very accurate methods of dating used in addition to radiocarbon, when radiocarbon can be done.  This is a major problem and will only hold us back as a species. It's not some massive conspiracy though, just differing interpretations and human ignorance, rigidity, and ritualism-- being unable to easily break from past beliefs and ways of being.  Also a little bit of who's in power; the academic authorities that decided what to put in the history texts. If you control the past you control the present and they want to not shake that belief structure.

Also a lot of what I was saying could theoretically be related to a twist in Prometheus. I was hinting at it a little and I'm surprised no one got it. Von Daniken concedes that it could be a mixture of both ways of thinking in one of his books, but mainly sticks to his guns.

Quote from: Kol on Jan 12, 2012, 03:21:12 PM

Quote from: St_Eddie on Jan 12, 2012, 03:05:06 PM

Quote from: evolution_rex on Jan 12, 2012, 04:45:06 AM
WTF does the pyramid on the dollar have anything to do with Ancient Astronauts? Those are two different kinds of conspiracy theories.

Because conspiracy nut jobs believe that everything's a conspiracy and that all conspiracys are connected.  Trying to reason with these people is impossible because for them to accept the truth would be for them to accept that life is a lot less fantastical than their own delusions.

I just laugh at them. :laugh:

sure. and the governments around the world, never lied to their people...  ::)
so continue laughing at people who actually care about living in this world and thinking about any theories. even the unorthodox one.

i just say ONE thing: IF the ancient astronaut theory is true, we should questioning every aspect of our culture, politic-scheme, religion and even our own personalities, in relation to our alien god.

Um, this thread is about the ancient astronaut theory and my post was made in response to some drivel about a conspiracy revolving around this concept.  So why did you infer that I was talking about the down to Earth conspiracys within governments?

As if I don't know that governments lie.  Note that I said "conspiracy nut jobs", as in people who believe that aliens walk amongst us etc.  You'd have to be stupid to think that the governments of this world don't lie.

Please learn to read posts more clearly.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nebra_sky_disk (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nebra_sky_disk)
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terraforming w/ morality-system:
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(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/experiment01-500x207.jpg)

a vase (http://www.disclose.tv/forum/egyptian-archaeologist-admits-that-pyramids-contain-ufo-tech-t49580.html (http://www.disclose.tv/forum/egyptian-archaeologist-admits-that-pyramids-contain-ufo-tech-t49580.html)):
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http://www.crystalinks.com/ancientastronauts.html (http://www.crystalinks.com/ancientastronauts.html)
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(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/mutant01-500x207.jpg)

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/mutant02-500x207.jpg)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secret_passage#Ancient_times_.E2.80.93_AD_1000 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secret_passage#Ancient_times_.E2.80.93_AD_1000)

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/engineer2.jpg)


http://coverups.com/sillycoverups/myths/old-man-alien.htm (http://coverups.com/sillycoverups/myths/old-man-alien.htm)
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http://www.bibleprobe.com/nephilim.htm (http://www.bibleprobe.com/nephilim.htm) :
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of course...
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(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/charlize02-500x207.jpg)

the shape of the escapepod-entrances...
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Wow thanks for this. Somehow missed it in this thread.

 ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)


...backs slowly away, moving with a calm, un-threatening motion.

Quote from: droideggs on Jan 13, 2012, 06:28:45 PM


http://www.o-fu-online.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/from-saqqmur1_thumb.png

Didn't this one turn out to be a vase with a plant in it?

Quote from: droideggs on Jan 13, 2012, 06:28:45 PM
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nebra_sky_disk (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nebra_sky_disk)
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terraforming w/ morality-system:
http://www.alienufotruth.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/ezekiels-wheel-ufo1.jpg

http://www.avpgalaxy.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/experiment01-500x207.jpg

a vase (http://www.disclose.tv/forum/egyptian-archaeologist-admits-that-pyramids-contain-ufo-tech-t49580.html (http://www.disclose.tv/forum/egyptian-archaeologist-admits-that-pyramids-contain-ufo-tech-t49580.html)):
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http://www.o-fu-online.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/from-saqqmur1_thumb.png

http://ghostradio.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/alienspacejockey2.jpg

http://www.crystalinks.com/ancientastronauts.html (http://www.crystalinks.com/ancientastronauts.html)
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http://www.avpgalaxy.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/mutant01-500x207.jpg

http://www.avpgalaxy.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/mutant02-500x207.jpg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secret_passage#Ancient_times_.E2.80.93_AD_1000 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secret_passage#Ancient_times_.E2.80.93_AD_1000)

http://www.avpgalaxy.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/engineer2.jpg


http://coverups.com/sillycoverups/myths/old-man-alien.htm (http://coverups.com/sillycoverups/myths/old-man-alien.htm)
http://coverups.com/photos-silly/myth002-1033811.jpg

http://www.bibleprobe.com/nephilim.htm (http://www.bibleprobe.com/nephilim.htm) :
http://www.bibleprobe.com/giantschart.gif

http://www.avpgalaxy.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/engineer1-500x212.jpg

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http://www.skuggen.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/The-Rephaim.jpg

http://www.avpgalaxy.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/engineer3.jpg

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/engineer4.jpg)

of course...
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http://www.avpgalaxy.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/charlize02-500x207.jpg

the shape of the escapepod-entrances...
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http://www.avpgalaxy.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/jockeycraft02-500x207.jpg

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Ezekiel/ezekiel.jpg

Wow thanks for this. Somehow missed it in this thread.

It is clear, right? Lol.

Quote from: droideggs on Jan 13, 2012, 07:47:04 AM

Quote from: deuterium on Jan 13, 2012, 07:22:24 AMA few points:

A)  I would like to see the entirety of Neil Armstrong's speech...not just 50 seconds taken out of context.  Nevertheless...EVEN with that short clip, I would interpret Armstrong as meaning that, in order to discover "truths", we need to remove (or peel away) Nature's protective layer's.  I think he simply mis-spoke, and probably meant to say what I just wrote.  Nature does not give us answers all wrapped up in a nice little box with a shiny bow.  We need to use Science, and our critical and analytical minds to discern fundamental truths about Nature...which often lay hidden until they are revealed.  Metaphorically, our Universe is like an onion, the more layers we peel away, the more physical truths we expose...yet there are still hidden layers that compel us to search deeper.

B)  Former Astronaut Edgar Mitchell is not, IMHO, a stable man, and frankly he had issues even back when NASA let him go to the Moon.  He later admitted to conducting his own ESP and "remote viewing" experiments during his Apollo mission.  His "views" have only become more eccentric as time has gone on.

C)  While I didn't read the Carl Sagan book you have cited, I am pretty certain that Carl was making the argument that asteroids, or a very small moons (such as Phobus) could be used, in the future, as potential "generation" spaceships.  The concept is that they could be hollowed out (so to speak), and fitted with a self-sustaining life support system/biosphere, and thousands of people could be launched on an intestellar voyage that would take centuries, if not millenia.  Hence the term, "generation" star ship.  So, he probably was citing Phobus, as an example, of a potential future space-ship for humanity.

For B, I don't see how his involvement with ESP is considered fringe or a measure of his stability. Its a legitimate phenomenon.

Carl Sagan's book made the argument that Phobos was actually somehow being artificially propped up based on his mathematical analysis of its orbit around Mars.

Personally, I don't believe in the idea that UFOs are physical craft. I believe they are more metaphysical in nature. But there is no doubt that a UFO phenomenon exists. It just doesn't mean that they're aliens.

esp is NOT a legitemate phenomenon, where did you get that from? theres not one bit of legitemate scientific data to back that claim up....

next point is theres been millions of £..$ etc etc etc on offer for ANYONE on this planet that can prove any psychic ability at all.... including james randis test, plenty of other similar test groups and lotteries all round the world... dont you think its strange that of all the millions of people that claim psychic abilities NOT one single person has managed to do so???????.....

thanks

rich

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Quote from: BioMechanical on Jan 13, 2012, 02:57:34 PM

Quote from: Valaquen on Jan 13, 2012, 01:59:28 PM
Conspiracy theories are always so much simpler and digestible than the actual, more fascinating history behind them...

I'm not seeing that.. It's more the other way around.  You walk into a bar and start saying this kind of stuff and it's usually fightin words. Just like with Mr. England. Lol.

you started the name calling and also invented lies about me you moron.....
so either back your statements up or keep your comments to yourself.

A lot of those tests are based on repeatable, quantifiable scientific data, which is very difficult to produce following modern standards.  Psychic activity doesn't work that way, usually, when it's real.

Even the tests that do can be endlessly questioned, or reduced to some form of irregular brain operation or delusion.  They're not going to admit anything, nor are they ever going to give anybody any money.  Its kind of a racket to declare their own beliefs and superiority, which is both arrogant and pointless.

Do you deny the existence of Remote Viewing, which had a federally-funded project through the Air Force for years? 

I could say the same thing about psychology and sociology.  They don't have quantifiable values, you can't put them in a tube, but that obviously doesn't disqualify their existence.

Quote from: RagingDragon on Jan 13, 2012, 07:33:16 PM
A lot of those tests are based on repeatable, quantifiable scientific data, which is very difficult to produce following modern standards.  Psychic activity doesn't work that way, usually, when it's real.

Even the tests that do can be endlessly questioned, or reduced to some form of irregular brain operation or delusion.  They're not going to admit anything, nor are they ever going to give anybody any money.  Its kind of a racket to declare their own beliefs and superiority, which is both arrogant and pointless.

Do you deny the existence of Remote Viewing, which had a federally-funded project through the Air Force for years? 

I could say the same thing about psychology and sociology.  They don't have quantifiable values, you can't put them in a tube, but that obviously doesn't disqualify their existence.

people always claim its not quantifiable to get out of it, funny that they only say that when the testing doesnt suit them, what utter garbage  which is why it got its funding pulled...... they falsified some of their results to get more funding.... ive had a very long conversation about this with a CLAIMED remote viewer thats been on coast to coast etc.... he was quite happy to submit to testing that was in his favour on coast to coast and claim rv is quantifiable and testable, soon changed his tune when we offered testing, funny how hes disappeared and hasnt come back to answer my questions or submit to our testing ...... speaks volumes.

he claimed he could win money with his amazing ability then moaned he didn't have time for us as hes too busy working three  jobs just to eat!!!.... that says it all
have a nice read of this thread and this fraudsters remote viewing nonense being taken apart.....
http://www.realityuncovered.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=1585 (http://www.realityuncovered.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=1585)

thanks

rich

Quote from: Valaquen on Jan 13, 2012, 01:59:28 PMConspiracy theories are always so much simpler and digestible than the actual, more fascinating history behind them...

As one scientist put it, it would cost less and be easier to coordinate sending men to the moon than to fake a mission and cover it up.

BTW, here (http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=why-people-believe-in-conspiracies) is an interesting article.

Quote from: droideggs on Jan 13, 2012, 06:28:45 PM[bunch of pics]

Horhey's back!

im rolling in laughter as people are getting angry over the possibility that their reality paradigm as they know it is being questioned.

lets get back on topic with AA theory please. if not, please leave this thread.

Every government-funded agency on the planet is always trying to 1 - maintain the level of their current budget, and 2 - possibly increase the budget, as most budgets for everything government related are always heavily scrutinized. 

Thats just a silly thing to say about a government program.

I think you're exaggerating to make it all look like hogwash, but it's just not the case.  The studies were conducted from WWII to the 70s, and the Chinese have also studied ESP and remote viewing for decades.

Another aspect to the "scientifically proven" idea is that the results, even if they are 100% quanitifiable, have to be able to be replicated.  As anyone who's ever done anything in those areas, spiritual, psychic, energy, metaphysical, whatever, can tell you, it just doesn't work that way.

No one really knows how it works, I don't think, so the entire idea of trying to examine it scientifically leaves people clueless as to how to proceed.  You might have better luck trying to prove the existence of god.

Quote from: droideggs on Jan 13, 2012, 07:50:02 PM
im rolling in laughter as people are getting angry over the possibility that their reality paradigm as they know it is being questioned.

lets get back on topic with AA theory please. if not, please leave this thread.

You've been ranting over pages and pages about your beliefs, that everyones had to read.  We can talk about this.  If you don't like it, be my guest and follow your own advice. Else you can just ignore our little back-and-forth, I doubt it's going to make a dent in this circus of a thread.

just waiting for someone to bring "chemtrails" into it now lmao.....

thanks

rich

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Quote from: RagingDragon on Jan 13, 2012, 07:54:01 PM
Every government-funded agency on the planet is always trying to 1 - maintain the level of their current budget, and 2 - possibly increase the budget, as most budgets for everything government related are always heavily scrutinized. 

Thats just a silly thing to say about a government program.

I think you're exaggerating to make it all look like hogwash, but it's just not the case.  The studies were conducted from WWII to the 70s, and the Chinese have also studied ESP and remote viewing for decades.

Another aspect to the "scientifically proven" idea is that the results, even if they are 100% quanitifiable, have to be able to be replicated.  As anyone who's ever done anything in those areas, spiritual, psychic, energy, metaphysical, whatever, can tell you, it just doesn't work that way.

No one really knows how it works, I don't think, so the entire idea of trying to examine it scientifically leaves people clueless as to how to proceed.  You might have better luck trying to prove the existence of god.

Quote from: droideggs on Jan 13, 2012, 07:50:02 PM
im rolling in laughter as people are getting angry over the possibility that their reality paradigm as they know it is being questioned.

lets get back on topic with AA theory please. if not, please leave this thread.

You've been ranting over pages and pages about your beliefs, that everyones had to read.  We can talk about this.  If you don't like it, be my guest and follow your own advice. Else you can just ignore our little back-and-forth, I doubt it's going to make a dent in this circus of a thread.

no offence but rv got all its funding pulled for a very good reason, it was nonsense and didnt work.. america only started doing it cos they heard russia were....
you really should look up the reality of what went on... theres some links to it in that thread i posted....

thanks

rich

Quote from: RagingDragon on Jan 13, 2012, 07:33:16 PM
A lot of those tests are based on repeatable, quantifiable scientific data, which is very difficult to produce following modern standards.  Psychic activity doesn't work that way, usually, when it's real.

Well that certainly is convenient for the "psychics" and their "psychic activity".  Everything works just fine, until it is placed under rigorous scientific study/scrutiny.  Give me a friggin' break.

Quote from: RagingDragon on Jan 13, 2012, 07:33:16 PM

Even the tests that do can be endlessly questioned, or reduced to some form of irregular brain operation or delusion.  They're not going to admit anything, nor are they ever going to give anybody any money.  Its kind of a racket to declare their own beliefs and superiority, which is both arrogant and pointless.

Umm...do you realize that the James Randi Educational Foundation is a Non-Profit Organization??

Quote from: RagingDragon on Jan 13, 2012, 07:33:16 PM

Do you deny the existence of Remote Viewing, which had a federally-funded project through the Air Force for years? 

Yes, I categorically deny the reality and existence of so-called "Remote Viewing" paranormal, pseudo-science phenomena.  If this was ever seriously entertained within the Air Force or CIA, then it just goes to prove that organizations of this type are staffed by real people, some of which (like any sample of humanity) may unfortunately possess poor critical reasoning skills...yet sometimes find themselves put into positions of authority.
Luckily, most societies and organizations have self-correcting mechanisms built-in.  That is why ridiculous programs such as this are eventually recognized for what they are, and are cancelled, and hopefully the people responsible for wasting taxpayers money are sent to some remote Arctic listening station.

This thread has turned into a Chest Pumping contest. Nobody here knows jack shit, including me!

The CIA remote viewing program was pulled after an independent review recommended a higher level of research and tighter controls.  This is according to wikipedia article, which shouldnt cause much of a stir as far as credibility is concerned since most dont even believe it to be valid.

It was terminated because it didn't produce consistent results.  That doesn't mean it didn't produce any results.  There were a lot of interesting bits from the thirty plus years it was studied, just read the basic article to see what came from it.

You can't generalize a complex, multi-organization (and even multi-nation, though never in cooperation with eachother) program that spanned three decades and still has remnants operating today.  It's much too large a subject to reduce to such simple statements, especially by the likes of us.

Plus, government-funded programs get pulled all of the time, for any reason, and many have produced much greater results than the remote viewing thing.  I mean, are you serious?  They will pull funding on all kinds of things, weapons development, scientific research, education, have you ever watched a single news broadcast about the government budget in your life?  Its all about what the goal is, and what the project is able to produce.

And if my choices are between "people in the Air Force and CIA possess poor critical thinking skills" and "maybe there's something to remote viewing," I'll definitely pick the latter. :laugh:

We don't know half of what the military industrial complex is up to. Much of the military budget is top secret and eyes only.

Black projects are plenty abound. People assume that if its not in the mainstream discussion, it doesn't exist. So easy to confuse man. To assume what the military is/isn't doing is a total crapshoot. Fact is, the PUBLIC DOESN'T KNOW.

Quote from: droideggs on Jan 13, 2012, 08:27:13 PM
We don't know half of what the military industrial complex is up to. Much of the military budget is top secret and eyes only.

Black projects are plenty abound. People assume that if its not in the mainstream discussion, it doesn't exist. So easy to confuse man. To assume what the military is/isn't doing is a total crapshoot. Fact is, the PUBLIC DOESN'T KNOW.

That is absolutely true.  And you know what else is true...the incredible hardware that comes out of some of these programs (e.g. U-2, the SR-71, the KH-11, the F-117, the B-2 bomber, etc,) are NOT the result of voodoo, remote-viewing, ESP, telekenisis, mystical crystals, whatever.  No, they are the result of a lot of hard-work by a group of incredibly talented SCIENTISTS and ENGINEERS.

Quote from: RagingDragon on Jan 13, 2012, 08:18:30 PM
The CIA remote viewing program was pulled after an independent review recommended a higher level of research and tighter controls.  This is according to wikipedia article, which shouldnt cause much of a stir as far as credibility is concerned since most dont even believe it to be valid.

It was terminated because it didn't produce consistent results.  That doesn't mean it didn't produce any results.  There were a lot of interesting bits from the thirty plus years it was studied, just read the basic article to see what came from it.

You can't generalize a complex, multi-organization (and even multi-nation, though never in cooperation with eachother) program that spanned three decades and still has remnants operating today.  It's much too large a subject to reduce to such simple statements, especially by the likes of us.

Plus, government-funded programs get pulled all of the time, for any reason, and many have produced much greater results than the remote viewing thing.  I mean, are you serious?  They will pull funding on all kinds of things, weapons development, scientific research, education, have you ever watched a single news broadcast about the government budget in your life?  Its all about what the goal is, and what the project is able to produce.

And if my choices are between "people in the Air Force and CIA possess poor critical thinking skills" and "maybe there's something to remote viewing," I'll definitely pick the latter. :laugh:

you need to read more than wiki...

a couple of questions which were posed to someone else about the air force rv trials...

can you point to the ongoing research and peer-reviewed results, the subsidiaries of SAIC that are carrying on this work now?

can you explain why, given the implications of the application of that research, that there are no unequivocal cases of proven use?

also here are some quotes from reviews of sri and saic rv by ray hyman...

Quote1. Do these apparently non-chance effects justify concluding that the exis- tence of anomalous cognition has been established?
2. Has the possibility of methodological flaws been completely eliminat- ed?
3 . Are the SAIC results consistent with the contemporary findings in other parapsychological laboratories on remote viewing and the ganzfeld phe- nomenon?
The remainder of this report will try to justify why I believe the answer to these three questions is "no."

QuoteWe evaluated these experiments in the context of contemporary parapsychological research. Professor Utts concluded that the SAIC results, taken in conjunction with other parapsychological research, proved the exis- tence of ESP, especially precognition. My report argues that Professor Utts' conclusion is premature, to say the least.The reports of the SAIC experi- ments have become accessible for public scrutiny too recently for adequate evaluation. Moreover, their findings have yet to be independently replicated.

My report also argues that the apparent consistencies between the SAIC re- sults and those of other parapsychological experiments may be illusory.

Many important inconsistencies are emphasized.

Even if the observed effects can be independently replicated, much more theoreticaland empirical investigation would be needed before one could legitimately claimthe existence of paranormal functioning.

thanks

rich

what they are doing right now:

-paying billions to european factories to come up with projects to replace the M-16 and immediately discarding the results
-paying billions to try and keep the V-22s of the marines from breaking apart
-paying billions to develop new vehicles for the marines that don't f**king work
-paying billions an billions to Lockeed Martin to see if they figure out how to fix the stealth problems of the F-35,  the bad manouvering, the flaws in the HMD system, the f**kING FUEL LEAKS, the stress taking ten service years off the airframe right way...
-ISRAEL ISRAEL ISRAEL
-secret projects which involve UCAVs, robos and gay fart bombs or some other stupid shit DARPA comes up with
-spying on russia
-spying on france
-spying on their own country

We need to move this to a different thread, but...

I thought it was all bull, and simply bogus requiring no further investigation?  Now are we having to dig deeper into the investigations and do more outside research to figure out what really happened?  Of course, becuase just like any other program, it's complicated.

There were results, remote viewers did see things that were confirmed by intelligence.  They also made a lot of errors.  The conclusion of the investigations, and of the entire project, was "recommend further research."  This led to funding cut, especially in a tightening noose of government funds.  Just look at Chupas list if you're wondering about that.

To dismiss it so easily is foolish.  Thats the whole reason I commented, in response to people generalizing a very complex issue and throwing it under the conspiracy bus. 

We could probably take this to the ghosts and paranormal things thread, Maledoro would have a hayday with it.

Quote from: deuterium on Jan 13, 2012, 08:35:37 PM

Quote from: droideggs on Jan 13, 2012, 08:27:13 PM
We don't know half of what the military industrial complex is up to. Much of the military budget is top secret and eyes only.

Black projects are plenty abound. People assume that if its not in the mainstream discussion, it doesn't exist. So easy to confuse man. To assume what the military is/isn't doing is a total crapshoot. Fact is, the PUBLIC DOESN'T KNOW.

That is absolutely true.  And you know what else is true...the incredible hardware that comes out of some of these programs (e.g. U-2, the SR-71, the KH-11, the F-117, the B-2 bomber, etc,) are NOT the result of voodoo, remote-viewing, ESP, telekenisis, mystical crystals, whatever.  No, they are the result of a lot of hard-work by a group of incredibly talented SCIENTISTS and ENGINEERS.

we get it, you're very anti metaphysical. you're all about Newtonian physics and how it fits into our current scientific paradigm.

but you know what? you're not the CIA, NSA, DIA, NSC, etc. Lets not assume what they are and are NOT doing, because honestly, NOBODY knows.

and EVEN IF, one were a high ranking CIA official, that doesn't mean you would know everything thats going on neither. Everything is compartmentalized in government, especially within the military. You know what your'e only given. No questions asked.

Quote from: RagingDragon on Jan 13, 2012, 08:53:52 PM
We need to move this to a different thread, but...

I thought it was all bull, and simply bogus requiring no further investigation?  Now are we having to dig deeper into the investigations and do more outside research to figure out what really happened?  Of course, becuase just like any other program, it's complicated.

There were results, remote viewers did see things that were confirmed by intelligence.  They also made a lot of errors.  The conclusion of the investigations, and of the entire project, was "recommend further research."  This led to funding cut, especially in a tightening noose of government funds.  Just look at Chupas list if you're wondering about that.

To dismiss it so easily is foolish.  Thats the whole reason I commented, in response to people generalizing a very complex issue and throwing it under the conspiracy bus. 

We could probably take this to the ghosts and paranormal things thread, Maledoro would have a hayday with it.

well i think i will take the word of the university proffessors that reviewed the work and concluded it was "illusory"..

im happy to change my view if you can prove otherwise... and answer the questions i posed.

thanks

rich

Quote from: droideggs on Jan 13, 2012, 08:55:22 PM
we get it, you're very anti metaphysical. you're all about Newtonian physics and how it fits into our current scientific paradigm.

but you know what? you're not the CIA, NSA, DIA, NSC, etc. Lets not assume what they are and are NOT doing, because honestly, NOBODY knows.

and EVEN IF, one were a high ranking CIA official, that doesn't mean you would know everything thats going on neither. Everything is compartmentalized in government, especially within the military. You know what your'e only given. No questions asked.

Huh, what...where did that come from?  Where did I claim to know anything about what is currently being worked on under the classified auspices of a "black" project, or secret program.  I just cited a few examples of amazing hardware that has come out of such programs, and has been officially disclosed.

And I think you misunderstand the term "Metaphysics".  I happen to love Metaphysics, which has absolutely nothing to do with psuedo-science or the paranormal.

you glorify these agencies too much. i've read way too much reports of CIA agents getting caught doing darky shit because they are careless retards to take them seriously.

i can guarantee the people working and investigating this stuff are the same kind of retards. they'd rather harass people than do a proper job.

Quote from: chupacabras acheronsis on Jan 13, 2012, 09:10:08 PM
you glorify these agencies too much. i've read way too much reports of CIA agents getting caught doing darky shit because they are careless retards to take them seriously.

i can guarantee the people working and investigating this stuff are the same kind of retards. they'd rather harass people than do a proper job.

Wow, that is a pretty sweeping generalization of an incredibly complex and dynamic government agency.  Just like ANY segment of society, any large orgainzation will have it's share of bad apples.  Have bad things been done by bad people who happen to work for the CIA.  Yes.  But you can say the same for almost any large private, public or government institution.  Does that negate the importance of the CIA's mission and central function in helping protect America's national security and the safety of it's citizens.  Not at all.

but it does make it hard to think of them as the Men In Black.

Quote from: chupacabras acheronsis on Jan 13, 2012, 09:29:54 PM
but it does make it hard to think of them as the Men In Black.

LOL, well then, point taken.  ;D

I'm sorry I resuscitated this thread...
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Quote from: maledoro on Jan 13, 2012, 09:37:18 PM
I'm sorry I resuscitated this thread...
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It was you!
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At leas you have some new meat to chew on.  It's not all bad. ;)

And Rich, please pay attention to those pesky little words in the quotes you reference:

QuoteMy report also argues that the apparent consistencies between the SAIC re- sults and those of other parapsychological experiments may be illusory.

It's a challenging statement, not a declaration.  Also far from a "conclusion.  An implied request for further investigation, which is in line with the end of the entire project.  It's this precise issue of not being thorough, overlooking words, or simply mis-stating something to support your own idea that creates such a volatile atmosphere around the whole 'science, pseudoscience, and conspiracies' topic.

Like I said.

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Quote from: RagingDragon on Jan 13, 2012, 09:57:44 PM

Quote from: maledoro on Jan 13, 2012, 09:37:18 PM
I'm sorry I resuscitated this thread...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v338/maledoro/Angry%20Smilies/663f3b59.gif

It was you!
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At leas you have some new meat to chew on.  It's not all bad. ;)

And Rich, please pay attention to those pesky little words in the quotes you reference:

QuoteMy report also argues that the apparent consistencies between the SAIC re- sults and those of other parapsychological experiments may be illusory.

It's a challenging statement, not a declaration.  Also far from a "conclusion.  An implied request for further investigation, which is in line with the end of the entire project.  It's this precise issue of not being thorough, overlooking words, or simply mis-stating something to support your own idea that creates such a volatile atmosphere around the whole 'science, pseudoscience, and conspiracies' topic.

Like I said.

http://www.avpgalaxy.net/gallery/albums/movies/aliens/dvdcaptures/dvdcapture038.jpg

theres a difference, ive actually read the reports, and agree with them. have you?.
http://www.mceagle.com/remote-viewing/refs/science/air/hyman.html (http://www.mceagle.com/remote-viewing/refs/science/air/hyman.html)

also the questions still remain unanswered ?.

thanks

rich

I've read a lot about it, in the past.

That quote referred to the consistencies suggested from the different investigations.  Even if they are proven false, which they apparently never will be, how does that somehow disqualify the recorded events of the remote viewing project?  It just says whatever connections Utt proposed may be false.

What does "other parapsychological investigations" even mean?  It's too vague to make it a judgment call on the entire decades-long event.

Remote viewing is real, but as for its ability to be scientifically measured, not so good.  Thats because it takes place inside of peoples heads.  Hell, psychologists have a hard enough time proving many things about the mind.  If you ever read academic scientific journals, or follow science in general, you will see that many things are difficult to "prove" in an academic, peer-reviewed sense.  Scientific standards must be strictly followed, results must be recorded and reviewed, and then be repeated.  An error or oversight at any step of the process can torpedo the entire thing.

Anthropogenic global warming hasn't been proven either, because climate science is a huge pain in the ass, but people buy into it like it has, even though they havent the slightest clue, because being green is trendy, progressive, and just generally nice.  Thanks, Al Gore.

Begin flame.

Quote from: RagingDragon on Jan 13, 2012, 09:57:44 PM
And Rich, please pay attention to those pesky little words in the quotes you reference:

QuoteMy report also argues that the apparent consistencies between the SAIC re- sults and those of other parapsychological experiments may be illusory.

It's a challenging statement, not a declaration.  Also far from a "conclusion.  An implied request for further investigation, which is in line with the end of the entire project.  It's this precise issue of not being thorough, overlooking words, or simply mis-stating something to support your own idea that creates such a volatile atmosphere around the whole 'science, pseudoscience, and conspiracies' topic.

Like I said.

http://www.avpgalaxy.net/gallery/albums/movies/aliens/dvdcaptures/dvdcapture038.jpg

RagingDragon, the wording you point out is exactly the type of low-key, understated phrases that are used in peer-reviewed scientific journals, especially when rebutting work of a professional colleague, or peer in the field.  I am very famaliar with this type of language and writing, and it is essentially a professional "courtesy" to shy away from any defamatory or overtly negative declaratory statements.  From the quotes I have seen, this is just "par for the course", so to speak.

Even scientific publications making original arguments (in other words, presenting a case rather then rebutting other work) are often very understated and "mild".  Perhaps one of the most famous instances of understatment, in all of Scientific literature, is the paper presented by Watson and Crick on their investigations of DNA ("A Structure for Deoxyribose Nucleic Acid").  Literally, at the very end of their paper, they slip in the following remark:

QuoteIt has not escaped our notice that the specific pairing we have postulated immediately suggests a possible copying mechanism for the genetic material.

Without this seeming innocous statement, which specifically links the base-pairing structure of the DNA molecule as the hereditary genetic mechanism, they probably would not have won the Nobel Prize.  This seemingly off the cuff (but obviously carefully planned) statement ensured their priority as the discoverers of the molecular agent responsible for heredity.

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I love the new agey pics on the main page of that website!
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Yes, I learned about this in Biology and was intrigued ever since. :laugh:  Your knowledge is critical here, Deuterium!  Comment more!

But concerning the remote viewing report, I suppose I should read further as to what the "apparent consistencies" really mean.

What are the outcomes of either possibility?  If false, does that mean the entire remote viewing program was simply imagination of the subjects?

That seems both highly unlikely and absurd, and if it were so, the program should've been cancelled after a year or two, not ten or fifteen.

The intial CIA program was refunded and expanded.  But results were never clear enough to use, taken from my favorite site, wikipedia.

That's because psychic things go on in outside dimensions, connected and caused by elements science has yet to discover.  Like dreams, they are difficult to isolate and really "look at."  The ancients knew this.

This is why science has such a hard time with it.  A lot of it relies on interior-head action being documented.  Have you ever tried to write down or make sense of your dreams?  A lot of times, at least for me, it seems impossible because the dream was just a feeling or an arrangement of things that made no sense out of context.

Quote from: RagingDragon on Jan 13, 2012, 10:15:59 PM
I've read a lot about it, in the past.

That quote referred to the consistencies suggested from the different investigations.  Even if they are proven false, which they apparently never will be, how does that somehow disqualify the recorded events of the remote viewing project?  It just says whatever connections Utt proposed may be false.

What does "other parapsychological investigations" even mean?  It's too vague to make it a judgment call on the entire decades-long event.

Remote viewing is real, but as for its ability to be scientifically measured, not so good.  Thats because it takes place inside of peoples heads.  Hell, psychologists have a hard enough time proving many things about the mind.  If you ever read academic scientific journals, or follow science in general, you will see that many things are difficult to "prove" in an academic, peer-reviewed sense.  Scientific standards must be strictly followed, results must be recorded and reviewed, and then be repeated.  An error or oversight at any step of the process can torpedo the entire thing.

Anthropogenic global warming hasn't been proven either, because climate science is a huge pain in the ass, but people buy into it like it has, even though they havent the slightest clue, because being green is trendy, progressive, and just generally nice.  Thanks, Al Gore.

Begin flame.

im not flaming, i just disagree, i too have always followed science, i am a member of many science/conspiracy/skeptic sites and ive read plenty on rv and all the other claimed abilities, ive not seen any convincing evidence whatsoever for its existence, but ive seen a god damn lot of people fail miserably and tell a lot of lies, uri geller once had many people over including physicist jack sarfatti and a big percentage of the world and we all know how that turned out???... same as peter popov, rosemary altea and the endless list of charlatans, so just as an opposite to you saying that just cos science cant prove it doesnt falsify it well the ability to get results also doesnt make it true....

i will just refer back to my dealings with dazdude the pretty well known rv claimant, when i offered him testing he said "hes absolutely not allowed to name targets or know his target in advance" but then went on to offer us some of his evidence to try and convince us that his claimed ability is real, he showed us one test where he had outright named a tornado (funny how hes not allowed to name targets when we ask), he also showed us some results from a lotto test he did (funny how hes not allowed to know the target in advance when we ask).....

you claiming it as real without being able to back it up is just a non starter...

again, if it has substance i repeat my questions.

can you point to the ongoing research and peer-reviewed results, the subsidiaries of SAIC that are carrying on this work now?

can you explain why, given the implications of the application of that research, that there are no unequivocal cases of proven use?

can you explain why (seeing as all these psychics, rv claimants etc seem to be able to repeat their abilities at will for tv, books and other monetary earning ventures) cant repeat their abilities when asked to do so for real testing?

thanks

rich

I'm gonna move this train before the mods kick down the door and we all scatter.

Let me research your questions and get back to you, rich, after awhile.  I actually enjoy talking dis.

Lets go to the paranormal thread, ey?  Then droideggs can get back to talking about the Illuminaughty and using the word "paradigm."

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A brief outline (http://www.skepdic.com/remotevw.html) of remote viewing, and how effective it is.

Quote from: RagingDragon on Jan 13, 2012, 10:34:03 PM
Yes, I learned about this in Biology and was intrigued ever since. :laugh:  Your knowledge is critical here, Deuterium!  Comment more!

But concerning the remote viewing report, I suppose I should read further as to what the "apparent consistencies" really mean.

What are the outcomes of either possibility?  If false, does that mean the entire remote viewing program was simply imagination of the subjects?

That seems both highly unlikely and absurd, and if it were so, the program should've been cancelled after a year or two, not ten or fifteen.

The intial CIA program was refunded and expanded.  But results were never clear enough to use, taken from my favorite site, wikipedia.

That's because psychic things go on in outside dimensions, connected and caused by elements science has yet to discover.  Like dreams, they are difficult to isolate and really "look at."  The ancients knew this.

This is why science has such a hard time with it.  A lot of it relies on interior-head action being documented.  Have you ever tried to write down or make sense of your dreams?  A lot of times, at least for me, it seems impossible because the dream was just a feeling or an arrangement of things that made no sense out of context.

psychic things go on in outside dimensions? really? how do you know this? can you point me to any evidence of that?

thanks

rich

Evidence lies in undiscovered theories (thats the dumbest thing I've said all day!.)  Connectioins between matter, space, and time that are thought impossible.  The perception of linear time is a starting point.  It's all in the physics and mechanics, good sir.

Unrelated psychic events happen constantly, that are beyond the probability of coincidence.  They have for years, becoming more noticeable throughout history as technology developed and societies became more connected.  That's evidence of psychic potential and connections between things that science doesn't yet understand.

As far as individuals and their ability to use such a thing go, I wouldn't touch that argument with a big old pole.  Too much bs, and for some reason it attracts massive amounts of mouth-breathers.

Dungeons and Dragons theory: amazing game, for some reason conquered by introverted, awkward geeks?  Psychic everything leaves the same taste in my mouth.

Quote from: RagingDragon on Jan 13, 2012, 10:50:18 PMEvidence lies in undiscovered theories (thats the dumbest thing I've said all day!.)

The day ain't over yet...

Quote from: RagingDragon on Jan 13, 2012, 10:50:18 PMConnectioins between matter, space, and time that are thought impossible.  The perception of linear time is a starting point.  It's all in the physics and mechanics, good sir.

If you can't dazzle 'em with brilliance, baffle 'em with bullshit.

Quote from: RagingDragon on Jan 13, 2012, 10:50:18 PMUnrelated psychic events happen constantly, that are beyond the probability of coincidence.  They have for years, becoming more noticeable throughout history as technology developed and societies became more connected.  That's evidence of psychic potential and connections between things that science doesn't yet understand.

As far as individuals and their ability to use such a thing go, I wouldn't touch that argument with a big old pole.  Too much bs, and for some reason it attracts massive amounts of mouth-breathers.

Dungeons and Dragons theory: amazing game, for some reason conquered by introverted, awkward geeks?  Psychic everything leaves the same taste in my mouth.

Hey! You outdid yourself!

I know.  Awful.  But I've always been susceptible to peer pressure. :-[

Quote from: RagingDragon on Jan 13, 2012, 10:50:18 PM
Evidence lies in undiscovered theories (thats the dumbest thing I've said all day!.)  Connectioins between matter, space, and time that are thought impossible.  The perception of linear time is a starting point.  It's all in the physics and mechanics, good sir.

Unrelated psychic events happen constantly, that are beyond the probability of coincidence.  They have for years, becoming more noticeable throughout history as technology developed and societies became more connected.  That's evidence of psychic potential and connections between things that science doesn't yet understand.

As far as individuals and their ability to use such a thing go, I wouldn't touch that argument with a big old pole.  Too much bs, and for some reason it attracts massive amounts of mouth-breathers.

Dungeons and Dragons theory: amazing game, for some reason conquered by introverted, awkward geeks?  Psychic everything leaves the same taste in my mouth.

sorry, i honestly mean no offence but you keep claiming things that aren't supported by evidence.

if you can point me to the evidence of these claims then i will be happy to read it and come back with an answer?.

saying things like "unrelated psychic events happen constantly, that are beyond the possibility of coincidence" is just meaningless to reality. i can sit here and say "hey, ive got an giant invisible man eating ferret that only exists in another dimension that science hasnt discovered" and theres absolutely no way for any scientist to disprove my claim, doesnt make it true though does it?.

and again, when it suits them, all the claimed psychics and rv guys can happily repeat their abilities to their hearts content in the real world like uri gellers spoon bending, and dazdudes lotto wins but it all becomes impossible to repeat and only existing in some other untestable dimension when it comes down to real tests that arent stacked in their favour...

thanks

rich

But srsly, if one random Friday the 13th, some guy on an Aliens vs. Predator forum proved to you the existence of human psychic ability:

Spoiler

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dumbdrum.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2009%2F06%2Fhead_explode-470x327.jpg&hash=2c5f15217ef1c29846a761d3d8282084fc339986)

[close]

For me, the most interesting question is whether or not you could change your opinion if you found yourself agreeing with me?

The social ramifications are staggering.  We are, after all, social creatures. :)

Quote from: RagingDragon on Jan 13, 2012, 11:13:46 PM
But srsly, if one random Friday the 13th, some guy on an Aliens vs. Predator forum proved to you the existence of human psychic ability:

Spoiler

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dumbdrum.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2009%2F06%2Fhead_explode-470x327.jpg&hash=2c5f15217ef1c29846a761d3d8282084fc339986)

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For me, the most interesting question is whether or not you could change your opinion if you found yourself agreeing with me?

The social ramifications are staggering.  We are, after all, social creatures. :)

of course i can change my opinion, i have done in the past, but only when presented with good evidence that cant be refuted.

i was once a blind believer in all things paranormal and i have a huge interest in it and have done since i was a child, i was a subscriber to graham birdsalls ufo magazine uk, and used to buy tons of books on unexplained mysteries etc, BUT then came the internet age and the ability to check up the backgrounds of all these things from both sides instead of one sided books/documentaries/magazines, and almost evrything that i once had some belief in has been pretty much destroyed or has at least been critiqued enough to to make them ambiguous at best such as roswell, ghosts, psychics etc.

so now im very skeptical of all claims of paranormal/conspiracy etc, but again, i would absolutely love anything paranormal to be proven (which would then obviously turn it normal as it would be explained lol) and really hope we find proof of extra terrestrial life before i die.

so yes, im open to anything as long as convincing evidence can be provided.

thanks

rich

Going further with the AA theory, after doing more research I've realized that ancient civilizations heavily relied on psychedelics within their culture. This could explain the ancient cave art depicting non-human looking entities on ancient cave walls as shown in the OP, and not some 'alien' visitation as proposed by some within the AA community.

Mushroom Stones found in Guatemala. JSTOR link for reference. http://www.jstor.org/pss/278737 (http://www.jstor.org/pss/278737)

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mushroom-stones.com%2Fuploads%2F3%2F5%2F6%2F6%2F3566541%2F2909319.jpg&hash=fa12a1d40ebe72344ff32095b791dc4bea067e02)

Early Christian culture heavily relied on psychedelics like Amanita Muscaria (Psilocybin variety) in order to travel to the astral, hyperspace, spiritual, hyper-dimensional reality (or are they just mere hallucinations? Personally, from the books I've read on the subject, no). As nuts as it may seem, ingesting these entheogens allows the user to meet entities that take on various forms, including therianthropes (half man, half animal), praying mantises (which look awfully similar to alien abduction scenarios), and other mythological entities. FYI, LSD is not similar in any way to Psilocybin.

John Allegro, an original Dead Sea Scroll scholar, claimed that early Christianity was heavily based on entheogens, only to be dismissed by the mainstream at large.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMZVsM5pNSE#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMZVsM5pNSE#ws)

Da Vinci himself was aware of entheogens and its relationship with early Christianity when he painted the Last Supper. If you look at the left most mural you will see mushrooms on it.

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fupload.wikimedia.org%2Fwikipedia%2Fcommons%2F7%2F77%2FDaVinci_LastSupper_high_res_2_nowatmrk.jpg&hash=cb717f1d3521723d8ba6651a9784e57b8ec376fb)

There is much more evidence of mushrooms being displayed prominently in early Christian art, as shown in the video below.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nU8lKlWOdxQ#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nU8lKlWOdxQ#ws)

This theme of consiousness is similar to the movies 'The Matrix' and 'Avatar.' In Matrix, people are getting 'jacked into' the Matrix. This is represented by shoving a thick needle (electronic port of sorts) from the back of the head.

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fnisargadatta.net%2Fmatrix_reloaded.jpg&hash=70af619b9ba8e2661df205c30c81e279a72ea888)

In 'Avatar,' its a Marine who lays in a zero-G cryotank who'se consciousness is transferred to the body of a Na'vi as its host. In reality, one can do this through the ingestion of entheogens like Amanita Muscaria, or Ayahuasca. 

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fblogs.whatsontv.co.uk%2Fmovietalk%2Ffiles%2F2009%2F12%2Favatar-1.jpg&hash=a2fc9b69eaf31cacefc40867cd718191e41d2a8d)


That being said, one does NOT have to ingest psychedelics to reach this realm. Through practice, one can achieve this through meditation, prayer, rythmic incantations and chants, etc. This is why so many religions practice these rituals.

not convinced on the mushrooms in da vincis painting, look like flowers on close inspection, is there any documented evidence to back it up or is it just someones theory?

thanks

rich

Quote from: RICH-ENGLAND on Jan 14, 2012, 12:45:48 AM
not convinced on the mushrooms in da vincis painting, look like flowers on close inspection, is there any documented evidence to back it up or is it just someones theory?

thanks

rich

doubt it would 'documented.' It would be too shocking for the public to know that early Christians used to ingest psychedelics to meet 'their maker.'

Quote from: droideggs on Jan 14, 2012, 12:59:33 AM

Quote from: RICH-ENGLAND on Jan 14, 2012, 12:45:48 AM
not convinced on the mushrooms in da vincis painting, look like flowers on close inspection, is there any documented evidence to back it up or is it just someones theory?

thanks

rich

doubt it would 'documented.' It would be too shocking for the public to know that early Christians used to ingest psychedelics to meet 'their maker.'

what? its well known that many civilisations and religions have or do take psychadelics and other drugs, theres nothing to be shocked about, but what does that have to do with da vincis picture?

youve stated it as if its a fact when it isnt.

thanks

rich

Yeah, what's the big news there?


... You know what would be shocking is if this poor thread got back on topic about the idea of aliens influencing our creation. Not drugs influencing religion, or aliens walking among us today.  ;D

Personally I think the idea is ridiculous. I believe that extraterritorial life exists, but I think it's also a distinct lack of terra-pride that allows people to fall into the trap of believing these sorta things. Nobody can believe ancient man did any of the things it did. Never mind that so much knowledge was lost thousands of years ago. Still, it can make for interesting science fiction. It's a nice what if.

Quote from: OpenMaw on Jan 14, 2012, 01:08:11 AM
Yeah, what's the big news there?


... You know what would be shocking is if this poor thread got back on topic about the idea of aliens influencing our creation. Not drugs influencing religion, or aliens walking among us today.  ;D

Personally I think the idea is ridiculous. I believe that extraterritorial life exists, but I think it's also a distinct lack of terra-pride that allows people to fall into the trap of believing these sorta things. Nobody can believe ancient man did any of the things it did. Never mind that so much knowledge was lost thousands of years ago. Still, it can make for interesting science fiction. It's a nice what if.

they ingested these entheogens to meet with non-human entities not in the physical space we live in now. thats essentially the gist of it.  these entities are shown in the mushroom stones image i provided.

as for the validity of the mushroom on the last supper. ok. can you please check the YouTube video I provided showing other examples of mushrooms on christian art?

Holy crap, the topic.

I like your perspective, which used to be everyone else's too. :laugh:  I like the ancient alien theory, I'll be honest, but it creates way more questions than it would provide answers.

There's other things to consider, like why would something so vital, so integral and impossible and amazing like contacting another race not from Earth, be lost to history and explained by religion?  The idea just makes me want to run my head into a wall.  Religion is natural to man, without freaking aliens, so I think that they wouldn't be so stupid as to lump the two together and present it to history in this light. 

this thread now appears to have just turned into a quest to convince people of ancient alien theory and other conspiracies rather than having relevance to prometheus.

thanks

rich

Quote from: RICH-ENGLAND on Jan 14, 2012, 01:29:39 AM
this thread now appears to have just turned into a quest to convince people of ancient alien theory and other conspiracies rather than having relevance to prometheus.

thanks

rich

honestly RICH-ENGLAND, much of your posts are very negative and downright nasty. calling people 'morons' and 'idiots' because they don't subscribe to your beliefs is rude plain and simple.

the discussion of entheogens, egyptian art and its relevance to Gieger's work has everything to do with Prometheus. By being aware of these themes, one can gather more out of the film instead of seeing it in a literal sense.

FYI, H.R Giger's influence is from psychedelics and considered Timothy Leary a personal friend of his.

Quote from: RICH-ENGLAND on Jan 14, 2012, 01:29:39 AM
this thread now appears to have just turned into a quest to convince people of ancient alien theory and other conspiracies rather than having relevance to prometheus.

thanks

rich

After two posts disagreeing with and picking apart the idea, what is it you're on about?

@droideggs are you jonesy from prometheusnews.net ?

that guy writes about the same thing, even uses the same images.

http://www.prometheusnews.net/movie/ancient-cultures-prometheus/ (http://www.prometheusnews.net/movie/ancient-cultures-prometheus/)

Quote from: Pn2501 on Jan 14, 2012, 01:46:01 AM
@droideggs are you jonesy from prometheusnews.net ?

that guy writes about the same thing, even uses the same images.

http://www.prometheusnews.net/movie/ancient-cultures-prometheus/ (http://www.prometheusnews.net/movie/ancient-cultures-prometheus/)

no. but we're thinking along the same lines :)

Quote from: droideggs on Jan 14, 2012, 01:36:34 AM

Quote from: RICH-ENGLAND on Jan 14, 2012, 01:29:39 AM
this thread now appears to have just turned into a quest to convince people of ancient alien theory and other conspiracies rather than having relevance to prometheus.

thanks

rich

honestly RICH-ENGLAND, much of your posts are very negative and downright nasty. calling people 'morons' and 'idiots' because they don't subscribe to your beliefs is rude plain and simple.

the discussion of entheogens, egyptian art and its relevance to Gieger's work has everything to do with Prometheus. By being aware of these themes, one can gather more out of the film instead of seeing it in a literal sense.

FYI, H.R Giger's influence is from psychedelics and considered Timothy Leary a personal friend of his.

that is totally untrue. the only person i called a moron and idiot was BioMechanic after he called me and lied about things i had allegedly done and couldn't back up his claim and had absolutely nothing to do with what i believe or dont believe, go back and very carefully re read the posts and especially who the quotes were from and aimed at, you mistakenly believed i was talking to you because you mis read the quotes...then you reported me....

http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=41103.165 (http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=41103.165)

feel free to apologise when youve re read that...

and i am entitled to my opinion, pyschadelics and freemasonry as well as many other things here will not feature in prometheus, so i fail to see how relevant they are wether ridley takes them or not?.

your thread title is "prometheus based on ancient alien theory?" what does da vincis painting with a totally ambiguous claim of mushrooms have to do with that?

thanks

rich

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Quote from: RagingDragon on Jan 14, 2012, 01:45:13 AM

Quote from: RICH-ENGLAND on Jan 14, 2012, 01:29:39 AM
this thread now appears to have just turned into a quest to convince people of ancient alien theory and other conspiracies rather than having relevance to prometheus.

thanks

rich

After two posts disagreeing with and picking apart the idea, what is it you're on about?

what does me picking it apart have to do with anything?. i will continue to do so when i see ambiguous claims as i feel its bad to represent things as fact which aren't otherwise people get one view accept it and start believing it then passing it off as fact themselves. .

thanks

rich

Quote from: droideggs on Jan 14, 2012, 01:49:42 AM

Quote from: Pn2501 on Jan 14, 2012, 01:46:01 AM
@droideggs are you jonesy from prometheusnews.net ?

that guy writes about the same thing, even uses the same images.

http://www.prometheusnews.net/movie/ancient-cultures-prometheus/ (http://www.prometheusnews.net/movie/ancient-cultures-prometheus/)

no. but we're thinking along the same lines :)

Yeah its pretty similar stuff.

Quote from: RICH-ENGLAND on Jan 14, 2012, 01:50:33 AM

Quote from: droideggs on Jan 14, 2012, 01:36:34 AM

Quote from: RICH-ENGLAND on Jan 14, 2012, 01:29:39 AM
this thread now appears to have just turned into a quest to convince people of ancient alien theory and other conspiracies rather than having relevance to prometheus.

thanks

rich

honestly RICH-ENGLAND, much of your posts are very negative and downright nasty. calling people 'morons' and 'idiots' because they don't subscribe to your beliefs is rude plain and simple.

the discussion of entheogens, egyptian art and its relevance to Gieger's work has everything to do with Prometheus. By being aware of these themes, one can gather more out of the film instead of seeing it in a literal sense.

FYI, H.R Giger's influence is from psychedelics and considered Timothy Leary a personal friend of his.

that is totally untrue. the only person i called a moron and idiot was BioMechanic after he called me and lied about things i had allegedly done and couldn't back up his claim and had absolutely nothing to do with what i believe or dont believe, go back and very carefully re read the posts and especially who the quotes were from and aimed at, you mistakenly believed i was talking to you because you mis read the quotes...then you reported me....

http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=41103.165 (http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=41103.165)

feel free to apologise when youve re read that...

and i am entitled to my opinion, pyschadelics and freemasonry as well as many other things here will not feature in prometheus, so i fail to see how relevant they are wether ridley takes them or not?.

your thread title is "prometheus based on ancient alien theory?" what does da vincis painting with a totally ambiguous claim of mushrums have to do with that?

thanks

rich

I'm aware you didn't direct it to me. Doesn't make it 'right.' Calling someone a moron and an idiot is just immature.

H.R Giger's work is influenced by psychedelics. His inspiration comes from the works of Dali and was a good friend of Timothy Leary. Giger's work is closely associated with ancient egyptian art and culture. By discussing psychedelics in ancient religions throughout the world, we're getting a better grasp of H.R Giger's inspiration.

Thanks.

so youre saying he was ok to insult me for nothing and make up lies about what i had allegedly done? of course im going to defend myself from people like that......

and to answer you, psychadelics may have had an influence on gigers work but that has nothing to do with what the movie will be about. and again, i find it wrong when people pass things off as factual that arent, earlier you said you thought you were applying critical thinking by questioning the mainstream, but honestly, you should also apply that to whatever evidence youre going to accept for ancient alien theory or any other conspiracy

thanks

rich

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i like how you invented this line " calling people 'morons' and 'idiots' because they don't subscribe to your beliefs is rude plain and simple." then failed to acknowledge it or apologise after i prove it wromg... but do carry on...

thanks

rich

Quote from: RagingDragon on Jan 14, 2012, 01:45:13 AM

Quote from: RICH-ENGLAND on Jan 14, 2012, 01:29:39 AM
this thread now appears to have just turned into a quest to convince people of ancient alien theory and other conspiracies rather than having relevance to prometheus.

thanks

rich

After two posts disagreeing with and picking apart the idea, what is it you're on about?

No dude, nevermind its getting complicated in here.  I was talking about OpenMaw's post and my own.  We weren't promoting the ancient alien theory, just questioning/disagreeing with it.  So what you said made no sense, we weren't trying to convince people of anything.

I think you were referring to another post.  Anyway lets just continue the discussion.

I feel that the ancient aliens theory, when applied to Prometheus, is taken to a completely different place than the modern ancient aliens interest.

It's damn sinister.  I'm really quite clueless as to how they're going to tie in humans with jockeys and xenos.  Please no spoilers, I'd like to keep it that way, but regardless, it's very dark.

I'm sure it's not going to be anywhere near Andersons Predator pyramids, so I think I'll be fine with it.

Quote from: wmmvrrvrrmm on Jan 13, 2012, 06:51:56 PM

Quote from: droideggs on Jan 13, 2012, 06:28:45 PM


http://www.o-fu-online.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/from-saqqmur1_thumb.png

Didn't this one turn out to be a vase with a plant in it?

lol, i guess you're absolutely right on this. it's even the same vase as posted before.
that was never my intention to post this twice.sorry for that.  :laugh:

Quote from: RagingDragon on Jan 14, 2012, 02:18:35 AM

Quote from: RagingDragon on Jan 14, 2012, 01:45:13 AM

Quote from: RICH-ENGLAND on Jan 14, 2012, 01:29:39 AM
this thread now appears to have just turned into a quest to convince people of ancient alien theory and other conspiracies rather than having relevance to prometheus.

thanks

rich

After two posts disagreeing with and picking apart the idea, what is it you're on about?

No dude, nevermind its getting complicated in here.  I was talking about OpenMaw's post and my own.  We weren't promoting the ancient alien theory, just questioning/disagreeing with it.  So what you said made no sense, we weren't trying to convince people of anything.

I think you were referring to another post.  Anyway lets just continue the discussion.

I feel that the ancient aliens theory, when applied to Prometheus, is taken to a completely different place than the modern ancient aliens interest.

It's damn sinister.  I'm really quite clueless as to how they're going to tie in humans with jockeys and xenos.  Please no spoilers, I'd like to keep it that way, but regardless, it's very dark.

I'm sure it's not going to be anywhere near Andersons Predator pyramids, so I think I'll be fine with it.

yeah sorry, i wasn't refering to you!. lol

thanks

rich

Quote from: RagingDragon on Jan 14, 2012, 02:18:35 AMI feel that the ancient aliens theory, when applied to Prometheus, is taken to a completely different place than the modern ancient aliens interest.

It's damn sinister.  I'm really quite clueless as to how they're going to tie in humans with jockeys and xenos.  Please no spoilers, I'd like to keep it that way, but regardless, it's very dark.

I'm sure it's not going to be anywhere near Andersons Predator pyramids, so I think I'll be fine with it.

Yeah, I don't see how all this AA theory is going to be finessed through the Alien lore. I really hope they don't make things obvious with the symbology and such. I trust Sir Ridley Scott and H.R Giger. Is Giger confirmed to be working on this, or is it someone else? Fingers crossed its Giger :)

Quote from: droideggs on Jan 14, 2012, 02:40:43 AM

Quote from: RagingDragon on Jan 14, 2012, 02:18:35 AMI feel that the ancient aliens theory, when applied to Prometheus, is taken to a completely different place than the modern ancient aliens interest.

It's damn sinister.  I'm really quite clueless as to how they're going to tie in humans with jockeys and xenos.  Please no spoilers, I'd like to keep it that way, but regardless, it's very dark.

I'm sure it's not going to be anywhere near Andersons Predator pyramids, so I think I'll be fine with it.

Yeah, I don't see how all this AA theory is going to be finessed through the Alien lore. I really hope they don't make things obvious with the symbology and such. I trust Sir Ridley Scott and H.R Giger. Is Giger confirmed to be working on this, or is it someone else? Fingers crossed its Giger :)

mainly other people such as neville page and martin rezard.

giger is working in an advisory role only from his home and has been confirmed by scott as designing a mural, apart from that he is not working on the movie in the capacity that he did for alien. he wasn't at the studio making models etc..
http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/debbiedowner/news/?a=51536 (http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/debbiedowner/news/?a=51536)

but there's still a remote possibility he has designed something in secret

thanks

rich

Quote from: RICH-ENGLAND on Jan 14, 2012, 02:49:33 AM
mainly other people such as neville page and martin rezard.

giger is working in an advisory role only from his home and has been confirmed by scott as designing a mural, apart from that he is not working on the movie in the capacity that he did for alien. he wasn't at the studio making models etc..
http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/debbiedowner/news/?a=51536 (http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/debbiedowner/news/?a=51536)

but there's still a remote possibility he has designed something in secret

thanks

rich

Does anyone know how Giger's health is?  I am surprised he is not more actively involved with Prometheus...I mean, I would think that Ridley would have wanted that, unless there are other circumstances involved (such as illness).

Mind bending stuff there. I never knew there was so much more to it.

Quote from: RICH-ENGLAND on Jan 14, 2012, 02:49:33 AMgiger is working in an advisory role only from his home and has been confirmed by scott as designing a mural

I can't fracking wait to see this bloody mural. It's gonna be epic.

-Chris

Yeah, the movie is going to be pretty sweet. But June is really just around the corner when you think about it.  ;D

Quote from: deuterium on Jan 14, 2012, 03:09:14 AM

Quote from: RICH-ENGLAND on Jan 14, 2012, 02:49:33 AM
mainly other people such as neville page and martin rezard.

giger is working in an advisory role only from his home and has been confirmed by scott as designing a mural, apart from that he is not working on the movie in the capacity that he did for alien. he wasn't at the studio making models etc..
http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/debbiedowner/news/?a=51536 (http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/debbiedowner/news/?a=51536)

but there's still a remote possibility he has designed something in secret

thanks

rich

Does anyone know how Giger's health is?  I am surprised he is not more actively involved with Prometheus...I mean, I would think that Ridley would have wanted that, unless there are other circumstances involved (such as illness).

i dont think theres anything wrong with gigers health, but i do know he doesnt like flying and he is pretty old now so maybe just didnt want the stress of being overly involved, he hasnt been that involved in any of them apart from the first one and that was obviously a very very long time ago, we have to remember that hes also an artist as opposed to a film fx worker like stan winston (r.i.p) was and maybe prefers to just work at his own pace.

he also wasn't too happy about what went on with alien 3, that could have had an affect on how much he wanted to be involved!.

theres always the possibility that he wasnt as needed as before as the derilict is already designed, as is the xeno and its lifecycle etc (just in case we have any of that) and all the basic set stuff like jockey and chair etc etc so other people could do alterations as needed for anything that isnt designed from scratch or new.

thanks

rich

Giger's voice often sounds a lot more strained than it used to but he might be healthy enough for a man who doesn't have much thought about a healthy diet, exercise or any of that sort of thing

It would be intriguing to learn, what the maestro himself thinks of the AA theory in general, and particulary about the conception, if it were applied in Prometheus  :) Does anybody have his recent interview on the matter?

Quote from: aliennaire on Jan 14, 2012, 01:32:15 PM
It would be intriguing to learn, what the maestro himself thinks of the AA theory in general, and particulary about the conception, if it were applied in Prometheus  :) Does anybody have his recent interview on the matter?

He hasn't had any in depths conversations on the matter that have been published

Quote from: wmmvrrvrrmm on Jan 14, 2012, 02:36:06 PM

Quote from: aliennaire on Jan 14, 2012, 01:32:15 PM
It would be intriguing to learn, what the maestro himself thinks of the AA theory in general, and particulary about the conception, if it were applied in Prometheus  :) Does anybody have his recent interview on the matter?

He hasn't had any in depths conversations on the matter that have been published

giger just hates it to speak in english. you will find a lot of him, talking to all possible matters, but not in english.  ;)
he's old & lazy and speaks only english, when talking about his work.

Wow... I leave this discussion for just a few days and look what it turns into. :D

I think it's safe to say that some people embrace too many unorthodox things... I've concluded some UFO encounters are definitely encounters with technology which is unlikely to have been manufactured by us, but a whole lot of other Alex Jones-type stuff I would never go in for. Likewise, some other people discard too much unorthodoxy.

But ultimately... Ultimately... When you get right down to the bottom of it? The truth of it all?

There's a whole lot of epic movie waiting to blast us away on the big screen about ancient ETs engineering human civilisation and you know it. ;D

Who wouldn't have loved some of that 1970s Ron Cobb artwork about the freaky yellow alien pyramid to have been realised, eh? I still love that one with the Nostromo astronaut shining a flashlight inside the tomb interior.

Look I am not embarrassed to admit I watch the show Ancient Aliens. I actually find it pretty intriguing. Do I believe everything that is on that show, NO. Do I think that alot of what they show makes you wonder, YES!! I think Scott using some of this as a basis for Prometheus is great. It helps fill in some of the back story. It makes you wonder and that is exactly what Scott wants to do to you is keep you wondering, guessing, and thinking about these movies even when you walk out of the theater. Just look at Alien, to this day we are still all talking about it. It is what he does great with his Science Fiction movies like other directors dont do. That is why I am in love with the whole Alien Universe to this day.

Everyone, you need to calm down about it or not liking it or thinking it is just stupid because the whole Von Danicken stuff doesnt interest you because it is all fake and everything. That whole thing, the Chariots of the gods thing, probably is fake. But it is written in a fiction book about fiction stuff. And this is a fiction movie. Scott has done wonders with the original Alien and we all see how that turned out. Believe me we need to have trust in him with this one. We owe it to him just from the fact at what he achieved with Alien that has us where we all are now and deep thinking about this movie.

Quote from: ChrisPachi on Jan 14, 2012, 03:22:35 AM

Quote from: RICH-ENGLAND on Jan 14, 2012, 02:49:33 AMgiger is working in an advisory role only from his home and has been confirmed by scott as designing a mural

I can't fracking wait to see this bloody mural. It's gonna be epic.

-Chris

Yeah you arent the only one. I just think that this "mural" is going to be more along the lines like I have posted in other threads though. Like the classic Xeno with his head cut in half and glued against the wall and other stuff that gives that 3D effect sticking out of the wall to tell alot of the backstory and stuff. It just fits in with everything, with the leaks and all. It makes since when you really anayze it... Anthony

Quote from: AnthonyWC70788 on Jan 14, 2012, 09:22:15 PM
Everyone, you need to calm down about it or not liking it or thinking it is just stupid because the whole Von Danicken stuff doesnt interest you because it is all fake and everything. That whole thing, the Chariots of the gods thing, probably is fake. But it is written in a fiction book about fiction stuff. And this is a fiction movie. Scott has done wonders with the original Alien and we all see how that turned out. Believe me we need to have trust in him with this one. We owe it to him just from the fact at what he achieved with Alien that has us where we all are now and deep thinking about this movie.

Sorry Anthony, but that is precisely where a lot of us have a problem.  Von Daniken was most definitely NOT promoting his ideas as "fiction", and his book was most definitely NOT promoted as "fiction".  He made a fortune on selling snake oil to the uncritical, gullible masses.

Quote from: deuterium on Jan 15, 2012, 01:00:44 AMSorry Anthony, but that is precisely where a lot of us have a problem.  Von Daniken was most definitely NOT promoting his ideas as "fiction", and his book was most definitely NOT promoted as "fiction".  He made a fortune on selling snake oil to the uncritical, gullible masses.

Although he did say in his later years that he made most of it up for fun. AA proponents tend to forget about that, the same way that they skip over each and every rational, Earth-bound explanation for their so-called 'evidence'. There's just no teaching some people.

-Chris

Quote from: ChrisPachi on Jan 15, 2012, 05:30:01 AM

Quote from: deuterium on Jan 15, 2012, 01:00:44 AMSorry Anthony, but that is precisely where a lot of us have a problem.  Von Daniken was most definitely NOT promoting his ideas as "fiction", and his book was most definitely NOT promoted as "fiction".  He made a fortune on selling snake oil to the uncritical, gullible masses.

Although he did say in his later years that he made most of it up for fun. AA proponents tend to forget about that, the same way that they skip over each and every rational, Earth-bound explanation for their so-called 'evidence'. There's just no teaching some people.

-Chris

If he, (Von Daniken), tried to come clean in his twilight years, that in no way exculpates him for the damage he did, at his own behest.  It in no way means it exonerates him for the fraud he personally conducted for decades.

It is similar to the "Loc Ness Monster" admissions.  The perpetrators who finally came forth, were basically death bead confessions, and doesn't ameliorate all the years of mis-direction, fraud, and outright deception they foisted on the general public (with malice afore-thought).  It is no different with the piece of shit Von Daniken.

As a scientist, I have a particular problem with those who prey on the less rational, less critical and skeptical, to promote their own personal agenda to further their selfish monetary gains.

Quote from: deuterium on Jan 15, 2012, 06:54:30 AM

Quote from: ChrisPachi on Jan 15, 2012, 05:30:01 AM

Quote from: deuterium on Jan 15, 2012, 01:00:44 AMSorry Anthony, but that is precisely where a lot of us have a problem.  Von Daniken was most definitely NOT promoting his ideas as "fiction", and his book was most definitely NOT promoted as "fiction".  He made a fortune on selling snake oil to the uncritical, gullible masses.

Although he did say in his later years that he made most of it up for fun. AA proponents tend to forget about that, the same way that they skip over each and every rational, Earth-bound explanation for their so-called 'evidence'. There's just no teaching some people.

-Chris

If he, (Von Daniken), tried to come clean in his twilight years, that in no way exculpates him for the damage he did, at his own behest.  It in no way means it exonerates him for the fraud he personally conducted for decades.

It is similar to the "Loc Ness Monster" admissions.  The perpetrators who finally came forth, were basically death bead confessions, and doesn't ameliorate all the years of mis-direction, fraud, and outright deception they foisted on the general public (with malice afore-thought).  It is no different with the piece of shit Von Daniken.

As a scientist, I have a particular problem with those who prey on the less rational, less critical and skeptical, to promote their own personal agenda to further their selfish monetary gains.

von daniken never believed his stuff when he wrote it, it appears that he starts to believe it whenever it suits him, mainly when being paid for interviews or to be in shows like ancient aliens... and also dependant on whos asking, scientific side or believer side!.

Quote"I am not a scientific man, and if I had written a scientific book, it would have been calm and sober and nobody would talk about it."—Erich von Däniken

http://www.csicop.org/si/show/von_daumlnikenrsquos_chariots_a_primer_in_the_art_of_cooked_science (http://www.csicop.org/si/show/von_daumlnikenrsquos_chariots_a_primer_in_the_art_of_cooked_science)

hes also not averse to telling a few lies...
http://www.philipcoppens.com/akahim.html (http://www.philipcoppens.com/akahim.html)

thanks

rich

Quote from: deuterium on Jan 15, 2012, 06:54:30 AMAs a scientist, I have a particular problem with those who prey on the less rational, less critical and skeptical, to promote their own personal agenda to further their selfish monetary gains.

You couldn't even count these kind of people with a three story box full of numbers. The entire AA sub-culture is driven by fakes and frauds. UFOlogy, with the exception of a very few, is helmed by authors who's primary goal is selling books.

-Chris

Quote from: ChrisPachi on Jan 15, 2012, 09:40:10 AM

Quote from: deuterium on Jan 15, 2012, 06:54:30 AMAs a scientist, I have a particular problem with those who prey on the less rational, less critical and skeptical, to promote their own personal agenda to further their selfish monetary gains.

You couldn't even count these kind of people with a three story box full of numbers. The entire AA sub-culture is driven by fakes and frauds. UFOlogy, with the exception of a very few, is helmed by authors who's primary goal is selling books.

-Chris

yup...

on larry king live, skeptic michael shermer just got talked over by stanton friedman etc, they wouldn't give him chance to speak, and friedman spent the whole show shamelessly holding up his book for everyone to see, and james fox spent the whole show plugging his out of the blue ufo dvd.... that says it all about what these people are like

james fox said something along the lines of "i dare you to watch my out of the blue documentary and not come away a believer", well sorry mr fox, i watched it and wasn't convinced...

thanks

rich

Quote from: RICH-ENGLAND on Jan 15, 2012, 09:55:19 AMon larry king live, skeptic michael shermer just got talked over by stanton friedman etc, they wouldn't give him chance to speak, and friedman spent the whole show shamelessly holding up his book for everyone to see, and james fox spent the whole show plugging his out of the blue ufo dvd.... that says it all about what these people are like

Friedman is a perfect example: a career author creating his own mythology to sell more books, disguised as a reputable scientist. It's funny how on every pro-UFO documentary he is titled 'Nuclear Physicist', whereas on every other unbiased documentary he is titled 'Author'.

-Chris

Quote from: ChrisPachi on Jan 15, 2012, 10:07:47 AM

Quote from: RICH-ENGLAND on Jan 15, 2012, 09:55:19 AMon larry king live, skeptic michael shermer just got talked over by stanton friedman etc, they wouldn't give him chance to speak, and friedman spent the whole show shamelessly holding up his book for everyone to see, and james fox spent the whole show plugging his out of the blue ufo dvd.... that says it all about what these people are like

Friedman is a perfect example: a career author creating his own mythology to sell more books, disguised as a reputable scientist. It's funny how on every pro-UFO documentary he is titled 'Nuclear Physicist', whereas on every other unbiased documentary he is titled 'Author'.

-Chris

yeah, nuclear physicist that hasn't written a peer reviewed document in like forever just like jack sarfatti...

i also fail to see how being a nuclear physicist makes them a better authority on ufos and alien life...

thanks

rich

Quote from: RICH-ENGLAND on Jan 15, 2012, 10:25:46 AMi also fail to see how being a nuclear physicist makes them a better authority on ufos and alien life...

Well, when he says mind-bogglingly stupid stuff like "the chances of this star map being right in an infinite universe is 1000 to 1" people believe it, cuz he's talkin' science'y stuff.

-Chris

Quote from: RICH-ENGLAND on Jan 15, 2012, 10:25:46 AMyeah, nuclear physicist that hasn't written a peer reviewed document in like forever just like jack sarfatti...

i also fail to see how being a nuclear physicist makes them a better authority on ufos and alien life...

That, and the fact he has to always has to put his "title" after his name: Stanton Friedman--NUCLEAR PHYSICIST. Dun dun DUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUNNNNNNNNNN!!!

Quote from: Kol on Jan 14, 2012, 02:40:00 PM
giger just hates it to speak in english. you will find a lot of him, talking to all possible matters, but not in english.  ;)
he's old & lazy and speaks only english, when talking about his work.

All I know about what he has said so far on Von Daniken is about him being tried in Chur and how he was made a victim of the press because he had an idea that was too different for the Swiss Mentality. He's talked about that in perhaps the Necronomicon

Quote from: ChrisPachi on Jan 15, 2012, 05:30:01 AM
Although he did say in his later years that he made most of it up for fun. AA proponents tend to forget about that, the same way that they skip over each and every rational, Earth-bound explanation for their so-called 'evidence'. There's just no teaching some people.

-Chris

Well as far as I know, he promotes his ideas as questions that ought to be asked, or that is what he says about his original book these days.

Quote from: Malakak on Jan 13, 2012, 03:22:10 PM

Quote from: BioMechanical on Jan 13, 2012, 02:57:34 PM

Quote from: Valaquen on Jan 13, 2012, 01:59:28 PM
Conspiracy theories are always so much simpler and digestible than the actual, more fascinating history behind them...

I'm not seeing that.. It's more the other way around.  You walk into a bar and start saying this kind of stuff and it's usually fightin words. Just like with Mr. England. Lol.

Very true ;D Unless you're chatting with open minded anthropologists over a pint in a foreign pub.
Some really do question these things and refer to Ziggarats as UFO landing pads while giving lectures just for the hell of it.  Historians and Egyptologists have ultimate say over what makes it into textbooks and sometimes disregard very accurate methods of dating used in addition to radiocarbon, when radiocarbon can be done.  This is a major problem and will only hold us back as a species. It's not some massive conspiracy though, just differing interpretations and human ignorance, rigidity, and ritualism-- being unable to easily break from past beliefs and ways of being.  Also a little bit of who's in power; the academic authorities that decided what to put in the history texts. If you control the past you control the present and they want to not shake that belief structure.

Also a lot of what I was saying could theoretically be related to a twist in Prometheus. I was hinting at it a little and I'm surprised no one got it. Von Daniken concedes that it could be a mixture of both ways of thinking in one of his books, but mainly sticks to his guns.

I hear you. The Government wants you to believe in them, nothing more. And they sure as damn hell don't want us believing in aliens that are far more advanced than they are. They won't have it. Because then they are at high risk of loosing that control. I honestly think that all the activity in the upper atmosphere with NASA putting into orbit all these sattelites and even all these SETI radio telescopes are not aimed at the stars to look for extraterestial life. No, there not made to look for it.. They're made to "watch out for it" to PREVENT them from coming here.. Call it a kind od protective bubble.

Now this would be some sick shit if the aliens were friendly wouldn't it?

Quote from: BioMechanical on Jan 15, 2012, 04:42:19 PMVery true ;D Unless you're chatting with open minded anthropologists over a pint in a foreign pub. Some really do question these things and refer to Ziggarats as UFO landing pads while giving lectures just for the hell of it.  Historians and Egyptologists have ultimate say over what makes it into textbooks and sometimes disregard very accurate methods of dating used in addition to radiocarbon, when radiocarbon can be done.

Only the hacks.

Quote from: BioMechanical on Jan 15, 2012, 04:42:19 PMThis is a major problem and will only hold us back as a species. It's not some massive conspiracy though, just differing interpretations and human ignorance, rigidity, and ritualism-- being unable to easily break from past beliefs and ways of being.  Also a little bit of who's in power; the academic authorities that decided what to put in the history texts. If you control the past you control the present and they want to not shake that belief structure.

That would be the pseudoscientists, not the real scientists.

Quote from: BioMechanical on Jan 15, 2012, 04:42:19 PMThe Government wants you to believe in them, nothing more. And they sure as damn hell don't want us believing in aliens that are far more advanced than they are. They won't have it. Because then they are at high risk of loosing that control. I honestly think that all the activity in the upper atmosphere with NASA putting into orbit all these sattelites and even all these SETI radio telescopes are not aimed at the stars to look for extraterestial life. No, there not made to look for it.. They're made to "watch out for it" to PREVENT them from coming here.. Call it a kind od protective bubble.

Aside from movies and comic books, how many government agents have told you this?

Quote from: RICH-ENGLAND on Jan 15, 2012, 09:55:19 AMon larry king live, skeptic michael shermer just got talked over by stanton friedman etc, they wouldn't give him chance to speak, and friedman spent the whole show shamelessly holding up his book for everyone to see, and james fox spent the whole show plugging his out of the blue ufo dvd.... that says it all about what these people are like

I've seen the likes of Dawkins behave just the same, if not worse. Doesn't detract from their work, whatever it happens to be, IMO.

Quote from: ChrisPachi on Jan 15, 2012, 10:07:47 AM
Friedman is a perfect example: a career author creating his own mythology to sell more books, disguised as a reputable scientist. It's funny how on every pro-UFO documentary he is titled 'Nuclear Physicist', whereas on every other unbiased documentary he is titled 'Author'.

That's not something he has personal influence or control over. It's an editing decision.

Nor does it matter how long ago he was doing it.

http://www.youtube.com/embed/oI3DlIrvoHg (http://www.youtube.com/embed/oI3DlIrvoHg)

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Quote from: evolution_rex on Jan 15, 2012, 08:33:23 PM
http://www.youtube.com/embed/oI3DlIrvoHg (http://www.youtube.com/embed/oI3DlIrvoHg)

Seriously, this thread has turned to shit. The whole point of the thread was about them possible putting ancient alien theories into the film.

Quote from: Xenomorphine on Jan 15, 2012, 08:27:03 PMI've seen the likes of Dawkins behave just the same, if not worse.

More often than not, he's the one who gets cut off. When he does talk over the other party it's when they've stopped being rational.

Quote from: Xenomorphine on Jan 15, 2012, 08:27:03 PM

Quote from: ChrisPachi on Jan 15, 2012, 10:07:47 AMFriedman is a perfect example: a career author creating his own mythology to sell more books, disguised as a reputable scientist. It's funny how on every pro-UFO documentary he is titled 'Nuclear Physicist', whereas on every other unbiased documentary he is titled 'Author'.

That's not something he has personal influence or control over. It's an editing decision.

He does have a say in it. Not to mention the "NUCLEAR PHYSICIST" tag is on all of his books via various publishers.

Quote from: Xenomorphine on Jan 15, 2012, 08:27:03 PMNor does it matter how long ago he was doing it.

More like it doesn't matter he was ever doing it to begin with. It's like having an orthodontist chime in on a heart surgery procedure: "Why not? He's an M.D.!"

Stanton Friedman, Steven Greer, and mainstream UFOlogists are disinfo.

Never trust UFO personalities. One has to do their own research.

Quote from: droideggs on Jan 15, 2012, 09:00:39 PM
Stanton Friedman, Steven Greer, and mainstream UFOlogists are disinfo.

Never trust UFO personalities. One has to do their own research.

By the way, I am pretty certain that Stanton Friedman does NOT have a Phd.  I believe he has a Masters degree.  His self-applied label as a "Nuclear Physicist", is a bit disingenuous.  Not saying that a Masters degree is anything to sneeze at...but he does not have the academic credentials that are implied by the label.  Nor has he ever published any independent research in a peer-reviewed scientific journal (e.g. Nature, Science, Physical Review Letters, etc.)

Ok, back on topic, there will be Ancient Astronaut stuff in this movie, even if it is just that the SJ helped seed the universe or whatever. I, for one, have no problem with that. I think it is pretty cool to give some more mythology behind all of the Alien Universe stuff. It is cool and something else to think about. This story is not true you all. It is a movie meant to entertain. Now if some of you all have a problem with the Van Daniken stuff then that is alright to, you dont have to go see the movie, do you. I mean I am pretty sure plenty of others will. And if this movie does go against your religious beliefs and it affects you that much seeing a Science FICTION movie. Then so be it, you shouldnt see it.

Also, I know that some people are aggravated with Van Daniken or dont like him because he was selling books that he said were true are whatever, but in all honesty people seriously. Go try and find the book to buy now a days. It is in the fiction category for a reason. No one believes it. Seriously. And if there are there are very few people that do. The show Ancient Anstronauts is meant to entertain and that is all. Like I said, I watch, I dont believe it all, not even close. But it does what it is mean to do and that is to make you wonder, to entertain you. And that is exactly what I want this movie to do for me, thanks... Anthony

Quote from: AnthonyWC70788 on Jan 15, 2012, 09:58:50 PM
Ok, back on topic, there will be Ancient Astronaut stuff in this movie, even if it is just that the SJ helped seed the universe or whatever. I, for one, have no problem with that. I think it is pretty cool to give some more mythology behind all of the Alien Universe stuff. It is cool and something else to think about. This story is not true you all. It is a movie meant to entertain. Now if some of you all have a problem with the Van Daniken stuff...

Yeah, we got it yesterday, and, once again, you've missed the point.

Quote from: droideggs on Jan 15, 2012, 09:00:39 PM
Stanton Friedman, Steven Greer, and mainstream UFOlogists are disinfo.

Never trust UFO personalities. One has to do their own research.

they arent disinfo, theyre just cranks and liars making easy money out of gullible people.

thanks

rich

Quote from: RICH-ENGLAND on Jan 15, 2012, 10:22:22 PM

Quote from: droideggs on Jan 15, 2012, 09:00:39 PM
Stanton Friedman, Steven Greer, and mainstream UFOlogists are disinfo.

Never trust UFO personalities. One has to do their own research.

they arent disinfo, theyre just cranks and liars making easy money out of gullible people.

thanks

rich

If they're not sources droideggs endorses, they're disinfo...
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This thread isn't even about Prometheus anymore. Locked.