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QuoteElsewhere, there was an exclusive preview of Assassin's Creed, including a video message from Michael Fassbender who called director Justin Kurzel "Australia's greatest export," plus an exclusive trip to the sets of Alien: Covenant, due out in August 2017.
"I think this will scare the shit out of people," Ridley Scott said, via video, of the Prometheus sequel.
Here we go
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"I think this will scare the shit out of people," Ridley Scott said, via video, of the Prometheus sequel.
I hope that is his intention this time, I know he made similar comments in regards to Prometheus and it was obvious that film was never intended to be scary or frightening.
Yes the same. But this time I really feel that we have a horror movie. Much easier with an Alien.
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"I think this will scare the shit out of people," Ridley Scott said, via video, of the Prometheus sequel.
I hope that is his intention this time, I know he made similar comments in regards to Prometheus and it was obvious that film was never intended to be scary or frightening.
I think there are moments. The surgery scene and Milburn's death scene are horror film tropes.
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"I think this will scare the shit out of people," Ridley Scott said, via video, of the Prometheus sequel.
I hope that is his intention this time, I know he made similar comments in regards to Prometheus and it was obvious that film was never intended to be scary or frightening.
I think there are moments. The surgery scene and Milburn's death scene are horror film tropes.
People applauded that scene when I attended the midnight premiere in Toronto.
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CineEurope: Fox Presents Exclusive Looks at 'Assassin's Creed,' 'Alien Covenant' and 'Kingsman 2'
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"I think this will scare the shit out of people," Ridley Scott said, via video, of the Prometheus sequel.
I hope that is his intention this time, I know he made similar comments in regards to Prometheus and it was obvious that film was never intended to be scary or frightening.
Here you go:
https://youtu.be/BIahZSwHCKU?t=167 (https://youtu.be/BIahZSwHCKU?t=167) Deja-vu! :laugh:
Quote from: NickisSmart on Jun 20, 2016, 09:53:09 PM
For a second, I thought you were talking about the sky. :P
Now that you mention it... f*ck, that one must be about sixty miles high!
Fox Presents Exclusive Looks at 'Assassin's Creed,' 'Alien Covenant' and 'Kingsman 2'
QuoteThere was an exclusive preview of Assassin's Creed, including a video message from actor Michael Fassbender who called director Justin Kurzel "Australia's greatest export," plus an exclusive trip to the sets of Alien: Covenant, due out in August 2017.
"I think this will scare the shit out of people," Ridley Scott said, via video, of his Prometheus sequel, Alien: Covenant.
THR (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/cineeurope-fox-presents-looks-at-905108?facebook_20160621)
Shame THR don't go into more detail about the sets. I'll give Fox a shout to see if this video is planned to make it's way online.
I do like the sounds of being scared though. The nightmares the Aliens gave me were what fascinated me with the series and creatures and led to my interest. I'd like to see a return to that.
Split topic and merged with Crazy's.
"Much worse"? What? Multiple Chest-bursting? Ass-bursting? Face-bursting? What? wHAT?! WHAAT?! :o
Quote from: Kronnang_Dunn on Jun 22, 2016, 06:31:27 AM
"Much worse"? What? Multiple Chest-bursting? Ass-bursting? Face-bursting? What? wHAT?! WHAAT?! :o
That's shock. Horror is bumping into an Alien on your own, in a dark corridor. I'm sure there will be a few of those.
I think he wanted to show as much history as possible in Prometheus in order to have even more room to expand the Alien universe. I can't believe so many people hated that movie. Besides the 2-3 stupid parts it was great. Now we have an expanded universe to build on...going to sit back and enjoy the ride. Hope they start making a smart Aliens 5 movie soon too.
He said the exact same words about Prometheus and look what we got there, was about as scary as a Simpson haloween special. This guys has definitely got a corn cob up his arse, dont believe a word out of his mouth these days
I'm inclined to believe him a little more this time, given the promise of a hard R rating. Yes, he did say the same thing before Prometheus came out, but anecdotally speaking there were reports of faintings and/or heart attacks during the cesarean sequence and I had a female friend who said she was on the edge of her seat during some scenes, thus Ridley did succeed in some cases, even if they represented a minority.
We need long takes, dark corridors, slow pacing, creepy cues, atmosphere and intensity by the 3rd act, if Ridley hits those notes then it'll be scary.
and again people with the lame prometheus thing, it was an alien prequel until fox decided it wasnt anymore, what do you think happens when someone who is paying you decides to change everything? even if the scary elements were toned down, and the direct alien references removed, that movie was simply awesome, on its own right, just because it ended up not being a full alien prequel everyone talks shit about it, but if this time indeed the movie indeed ends up being both a sequel to prometheus and a prequel to alien, it can possibly become a masterpiece, though on the other hand, james cameron's avatar was visually awesome and well acted and scripted but was overrated as hell, so given that the same people says prometheus was crap and avatar a masterpiece in movie history, yeah...even if the alien covenant is perfect, people will still score it as low as possible, just because they are a*****les
I'm not so concerned about being scared - it tends to be just something to say to generate hype. But if he can manage to recapture that menace and dark tone from the original Alien film, I'm more than happy. ;D When it comes down to it, I just would love to see a return to form for the Alien franchise.
Liveleak scares me sometimes, but i dont think Ridley will put a link in his movie to that site.
Man, Ridley did flop on the horror bits in Prometheus. He thought the mere concept of a DNA mutagen super virus would terrify the average person. The dude thought wrong. So plan B, bring the big boy back and try to out do it. I mean that's what we want, isn't it. For him to f**king try and out do Alien! Staring, the actual mother f**king Alien with a Capital A!
The hype train is out of control and we haven't even got a trailer yet. Yea, yea, but Prometheus shemetheus, bah. Already way past that pro-log. Talk about exciting, albeit utterly pointless news.
I'm interested to know they've got featurettes being shown off now.
I hope Ridley Scott recognizes the distinction between scary and gory. Gore is just gross. Not knowing what is out there that can kill you, is scary.
There hasn't been a scary Alien movie since, well, Alien!
There are no breaks on the hype train.
I hope it's true, but honestly Ridley talks so much BS these days it's hard to take anything he says seriously. Still rate him highly, but he needs to pull off an excellent film this time.
Quote from: Giger Beast on Jun 22, 2016, 10:02:50 AM
There hasn't been a scary Alien movie since, well, Alien!
There are no breaks on the hype train.
Aliens was, is and always will be just as scary as Alien. When the movie came out it, it was so intense for the time that people literally scared themselves sick.
Guys..the guy made Alien and made Prometheus to expand the Alien Universe.. Give him a break LOL!
What about the script writers? Who are they? Whst have they written?
Scott seemed to suggest it was in the profound concept of our creators being of another world and that they're intent on wiping us out, that its the scale of destruction what would be terrifying. Wasn't exactly a straight up horror film. Hope they give Ridley enough time to apply tension, creative death, style in filming and editing to pull off genuine scary scenes with Aliens.
nah ahh dont buy it twice sir
I honestly never found Alien or Predator scary in the films. The closest I came to being slightly on edge is during the nightclub level in AvP 2010 as a Colonial Marine. (The Facehuggers though make me SUPER on edge as a marine though... hate those little f**ks.)
The only dream I had featuring them is when I dreamt of myself as a Predator slaughtering a horde. Preds must be my security blanket lol. I even let Facehuggers jump on me just to see my badass self pull it off my ugly mofo face in the game.
Am I the only one? Even as a kid in primary school, I was fascinated as f**k by the Alien but not scared.
So I doubt Riddles will be scaring me with this film. The news is exciting nonetheless as I would love to see more horror elements.
Maybe to cure my lack of fear, I oughta play Alien Isolation on the hardest difficulty LOL.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jun 22, 2016, 09:30:25 AM
I'm interested to know they've got featurettes being shown off now.
Where, where!!!
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CineEurope. This is where the quote came from. I've asked Fox if they have any plans to release this featurette but they'll be in bed now. I doubt they will anyway. I imagine this was event exclusive - at least for now.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jun 22, 2016, 12:26:35 PM
CineEurope. This is where the quote came from. I've asked Fox if they have any plans to release this featurette but they'll be in bed now. I doubt they will anyway. I imagine this was event exclusive - at least for now.
Ask about Noomi, and new poster, and at the very least.. A firm release on trailer, oh and ask if release can be pushed to June 2017. 8)
Sorry I'm a little hyper excited for this.
Quote from: whiterabbit on Jun 22, 2016, 10:08:46 AM
Quote from: Giger Beast on Jun 22, 2016, 10:02:50 AM
There hasn't been a scary Alien movie since, well, Alien!
There are no breaks on the hype train.
Aliens was, is and always will be just as scary as Alien. When the movie came out it, it was so intense for the time that people literally scared themselves sick.
Yeah you're right, Aliens totally slipped my mind.
Scariest scene for ME was the sealed room/facehugger sequence. VERY tense.
Yeah, 'Aliens' certainly has its moments (and, scare-wise, the music is more effective at evoking dread/horror than the Goldsmith score).
Hell, it has a faux dreamscape chestburster sequence at the start which is every bit as disconcerting as Kane's. Could even argue it was a little better. The stuff with the cat hissing and then those slow 'honey dripping' violin strings... Even the slow-motion is done at just the right pace to sell Ripley being in genuine fear she could be undergoing the same thing.
Kane's had more cultural impact because it was the first, but it was played relatively straight. The dreamed up version from 'Aliens' had better choreography.
As for this quote, my first reaction was to cringe. It's exactly the same thing he claimed for the first one.
I always found Aliens and Alien quite scary as a child, oh the nightmares I had.
Not as scary as 1 & 2 but when Alien3 came out (when I was 8 ), I had dreams our dog had an alien in it lol.
Must be just me then. ;D
Wow this whole thing is sounding exactly like Prometheus when it was in production. I wish i could take quotes from Scott from that time and compare them to what he's saying now because this is some scary Deja Vu shit right here lol. But if big movie corporations can reboot movies over and over i'd say, if Covenant fails like Prometheus failed, there should be a petition to reboot the Alien prequel. Surprised there wasn't a petition to kick Riddle's ass off the directors chair once it was announced we were getting another Prometheus. Riddles(probably): "No really, i'll do it better this time. I'll put Aliens in it. Lots and lots of aliens and lots of gore! The story might be shit but at least people will have gotten what they wanted right?" It's official people. Riddles is actually giving us his own versions of Avp and Avp-R.
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Wow this whole thing is sounding exactly like Prometheus when it was in production. I wish i could take quotes from Scott from that time and compare them to what he's saying now because this is some scary Deja Vu shit right here lol. But if big movie corporations can reboot movies over and over i'd say, if Covenant fails like Prometheus failed, there should be a petition to reboot the Alien prequel. Surprised there wasn't a petition to kick Riddle's ass off the directors chair once it was announced we were getting another Prometheus. Riddles(probably): "No really, i'll do it better this time. I'll put Aliens in it. Lots and lots of aliens and lots of gore! The story might be shit but at least people will have gotten what they wanted right?" It's official people. Riddles is actually giving us his own versions of Avp and Avp-R.
Actually Prometheus didn't really fail, it was released to mixed reviews but it did pretty well at the box office. It did well enough to green light a sequel so it isn't really fair to call it a failure.
I have mixed feelings on Prometheus myself, but I consider it to be a far better film than either AvP movie or even Resurrection.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jun 22, 2016, 09:30:25 AM
I'm interested to know they've got featurettes being shown off now.
I suspect it's probably similar to that San Diego Comic-Con Prometheus featurette that I posted in the social media thread a while back. That was also an exclusive but eventually leaked (or was officially released) online.
Can anyone remember how long it took to go public?
Here's the link again:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIahZSwHCKU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIahZSwHCKU)
Far better movie? Aside from being a prettier movie, Prometheus is just about the same.
Quote from: LordCassusSnow on Jun 22, 2016, 04:58:11 PM
Far better movie? Aside from being a prettier movie, Prometheus is just about the same.
We'll just have to disagree then, still far from being a failure.
Box office wise anyway.
Did you even read Alien Engineers? Do you even know what this movie was supposed to be before Riddles went Lost on us? This movie is a cluster f**k of stupid characters and bad editing and pacing. But, from my experience on the web, only ignorant mainstream alien fans give this movie such high praise. Us hardcore Alien fans aren't so foolish. Fassbender was pretty good though. Also, im sure Prometheus got just as much awards as Avp did. Which is practically 0.
Quote from: LordCassusSnow on Jun 22, 2016, 06:32:48 PM
Did you even read Alien Engineers? Do you even know what this movie was supposed to be before Riddles went Lost on us? This movie is a cluster f**k of stupid characters and bad editing and pacing. But, from my experience on the web, only ignorant mainstream alien fans give this movie such high praise. Us hardcore Alien fans aren't so foolish. Fassbender was pretty good though. Also, im sure Prometheus got just as much awards as Avp did. Which is practically 0.
Like I already said... my feelings are mixed on the film, I didn't love it or hate it. But your assertion that mainstream fans are ignorant or are the only ones who praised the movie is just absurd.
Alien Engineers had some great stuff in it and also a lot of terrible stuff as well, would it have been a better film? we'll never know.
The movie wasn't great but it wasn't a failure at all. As Buddy is trying to explain, it did well financially and critically (sitting comfortably around 6/7). It wasn't a massive success, by any standards, but it certainly wasn't a failure.
I love how, as soon as people have a positive opinion about Prometheus, there will always be people shouting at us that we should accept it's a horrible movie.
There are people out there that liked/loved it. Deal with it. Stop trying to make us think the same thing you do. ;)
Quote from: LordCassusSnow on Jun 22, 2016, 04:58:11 PM
Far better movie? Aside from being a prettier movie, Prometheus is just about the same.
Pfffft hell no. Prometheus has lots of problems, but its leaps and bounds better than the avp trash even at its worst
Quote from: LordCassusSnow on Jun 22, 2016, 06:10:48 PM
Box office wise anyway.
It wasn't a flop. The critics were pretty divided. Not universally hated, however.
This douche is arrogant about his work to the point that he is rivaling Steve Jobs.
Quote from: mace-in-the-face on Jun 23, 2016, 04:45:35 AM
This douche is arrogant about his work to the point that he is rivaling Steve Jobs.
Ridley? Meh, I don't think he gives a shit. The guy's a master. Steve Jobs took other people's work and sold it off as his own. :P
Awards for Prometheus. (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1446714/awards)
Awards for AvP (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0370263/awards)
Covenant Will "Scare The Shit Out of People"... because of how bad it is... ;D LOL Sorry.. couldn't resist. BAD JOKE! BAD JOKE!!! :P
I'm less concerned with being "scared the shit out of" than I am feeling the tension and suspense. I felt virtually none of that in Prometheus.
Prometheus didn't turn out to be as profound as Ridley intended it to be. I don't expect Alien: Covenant to be as scary as Ridley thinks it will be.
Thanks SM. Fangoria's award for Avp though lol. But most, if not all, of these awards are for how pretty the movie was. Cameron said it doesn't make sense continuity wise and it's true, glaringly so. I'll admit, some ideas were ok but i can't watch Prometheus without face palming at how stupid its characters are or rolling my eyes at how scaled down the pilot race ended up being just so Scott could make his own human origin story because he's such a big fan of 2001. Because thats what Prometheus was in actuality. He only added Alien "DNA" in his story so people would actually show up. And now since Isolation and fankamp's Alien movie has been announced and has met with positive reception by fans, Scott figures he's got no choice but to toss more xeno's into his sequel in the hopes he doesn't end up producing a movie that fails to top Alien once again. He went from Xeno's aren't scary to his sequel literally having Alien in it and now this bit of news which mirrors quotes from Prometheus. And that shit was'nt scary.
73% on Rotten Tomatoes, 7/10 on IMDB.... Yeah, this movie is hated by everyone I tell you........
Te movie continues to divide people, many disappointed but also many admirers. Prometheus is cult ;D
I believe he'll succeed this time. Prometheus was a sci-fi drama, and Alien: Covenant is going to be a full blown horror film(without losing any of the existential, cerebral elements). So imagine a film rife with the dread and horror of the Caesarean scene. He's still got it.
Loved Prometheus. Still do.
Us four!
Now five... (millions) ;D
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Loved Prometheus. Still do.
You and me both. ;)
Me three!
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Us four!
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Now five... (millions) ;D
I like Prometheus but wouldn't go so far as to say it's "lovable" material. It's kind of like that one kid you may have. They're smart, good looking and hard working but instead of going to college and getting a career minded background; they go into art shit or something. Sure once or twice out of a hundred they succeed or at least 10% make a decent career out of it but 90% of the time you'll be moaning forever more why they didn't just get that liberal arts degree instead.
Also, maybe Ridley is being literal with his "scare the shit out of people" comment. He could be selling Sir Riddles extra strong laxatives. Now with "black goo" power. When that colon tightens up, nothing like having trillions of little dna poo deconstructors personally scare the shit right out of you! Sir Riddles! The Power to Shit. On sale everywhere. $29.95.
disclaimer: may cause unwanted pregnancy and death.
It always baffles me that people will say that 'everyone hated Prometheus'. Ebert himself gave it four stars (I can't recall if that's out of four or five), and he'd seen a movie or two in his day.
Though it is unfortunate that Scott used the exact same sentence to describe this film. If he'd said "I want to terrify people" we probably wouldn't even be having this discussion.
But whiterabbit is right: what does Scott want to do with all of this shit? And couldn't he just ask us for it? Why must he scare it out of us? :P
I have faith. I liked Prometheus. It was millions of times better than most movies that get released. Yeah, it's flawed, but a flaw diamond from Scott is still a diamond, not a polished piece of shit.
Quote from: NickisSmart on Jun 23, 2016, 11:04:58 PM
I have faith. I liked Prometheus. It was millions of times better than most movies that get released. Yeah, it's flawed, but a flaw diamond from Scott is still a diamond, not a polished piece of shit.
Absolutely agree with everything you just said. For me Prometheus is a masterpiece as well. Some acting flaws but still one of my favorite movies of all time. I didn't watch it to find answers, I watched it to find more mystery.
Quote from: Nostromo on Jun 23, 2016, 11:21:33 PM
Quote from: NickisSmart on Jun 23, 2016, 11:04:58 PM
I have faith. I liked Prometheus. It was millions of times better than most movies that get released. Yeah, it's flawed, but a flaw diamond from Scott is still a diamond, not a polished piece of shit.
Absolutely agree with everything you just said. For me Prometheus is a masterpiece as well. Some acting flaws but still one of my favorite movies of all time. I didn't watch it to find answers, I watched it to find more mystery.
Hear, hear. Prometheus is on the same echelon as Alien and Aliens, for me. I might even like it a bit more than those two.
Holy shit! Go Go Prometheus fans. I didn't know so many of you existed... wait just one goddamn minute here... where the f**k were all of you when the movie was released back in 2012? :P
Still I don't think the mindless morons were by accident. Scott's predicting a future where scientist are morons and the jury's still out on that one.
Quote from: whiterabbit on Jun 24, 2016, 12:29:16 AM
Holy shit! Go Go Prometheus fans. I didn't know so many of you existed... wait just one goddamn minute here... where the f**k were all of you when the movie was released back in 2012? :P
Still I don't think the mindless morons were by accident. Scott's predicting a future where scientist are morons and the jury's still out on that one.
I was at the theater watching it. 2 times actually. Probably seen it another 10 times at least on blu ray. It has great replayability factor. That music score is great too. Would have been cool to see the deacon chase and kill Vickers than go after Shaw and David in the end. There's no way the deacon went on board the 2nd derelict?
I'd like to see a new space crew land and pick up the deacon without knowing it.
I took my entire apartment building to see it... well everyone that wanted to go anyways. I left the theater is utter disappointment and embarrassment. Mainly because I had no idea what I had just seen and couldn't explain any of it. Although I like the movie it was mediocre and probably suffered from the alien connection. The music score wasn't that great. It had many missed beats. Although things like albino engineers and the deacon are ok to me. It looked great but in a way, it looked too damn good for it's own good. A good movie but definitely not what most of us went out looking for. Almost as if the tagline was a warning that we misinterpreted. In any case the movie is definitely a good picture.
The deacon could actually appear in A:C. RS could pull a Jurassic Park III on us. nah I just kid. :P
Quote from: Nostromo on Jun 24, 2016, 12:40:20 AM
I'd like to see a new space crew land and pick up the deacon without knowing it.
I'd say this is a major plot point of the new movie. I'd be surprised if Weyland left on his expedition without telling anyone. That, and the fact that the birth of the Deacon is the closing moment of the movie is akin to a cliffhanger is a portent for its reappearance at some point in the future.
Would it be outside the realm of possibility for the Deacon to wind up on board the Covenant - or some other rescue mission to LV-223? That will seriously mess things up, hey.
-Windebieste.
Quote from: NickisSmart on Jun 23, 2016, 05:20:30 AM
Ridley? Meh, I don't think he gives a shit. The guy's a master. Steve Jobs took other people's work and sold it off as his own. :P
And what do you think Prometheus was? It was just a rip off of several different movies that were once regarded as "Alien Rip-offs".
Quote from: Nostromo on Jun 23, 2016, 11:21:33 PM
Quote from: NickisSmart on Jun 23, 2016, 11:04:58 PM
I have faith. I liked Prometheus. It was millions of times better than most movies that get released. Yeah, it's flawed, but a flaw diamond from Scott is still a diamond, not a polished piece of shit.
Absolutely agree with everything you just said. For me Prometheus is a masterpiece as well. Some acting flaws but still one of my favorite movies of all time. I didn't watch it to find answers, I watched it to find more mystery.
Agreed. Mystery is a huge part of why I love Alien.
Love Prometheus, probably more than Aliens.
Quote from: mace-in-the-face on Jun 24, 2016, 04:09:37 AM
And what do you think Prometheus was? It was just a rip off of several different movies that were once regarded as "Alien Rip-offs".
Prometheus is mostly recycling a lot of ideas that didn't make it into
Alien.
Quote from: Mr. Clemens on Jun 23, 2016, 09:35:44 PM
It always baffles me that people will say that 'everyone hated Prometheus'. Ebert himself gave it four stars (I can't recall if that's out of four or five), and he'd seen a movie or two in his day.
I think it's more the vocal fans that disliked it. Don't get me wrong, I'm not particularly fond of Prometheus myself but I think people really underestimate the actual, wider reaction to the film.
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Quote from: mace-in-the-face on Jun 24, 2016, 04:09:37 AM
And what do you think Prometheus was? It was just a rip off of several different movies that were once regarded as "Alien Rip-offs".
Prometheus is mostly recycling a lot of ideas that didn't make it into Alien.
Probably one of the more interesting angles for me. Just a shame they didn't come across as interesting as those concepts actually sounded (or looked, in the case of the artwork).
Quote from: Mr. Clemens on Jun 23, 2016, 09:35:44 PM
It always baffles me that people will say that 'everyone hated Prometheus'. Ebert himself gave it four stars (I can't recall if that's out of four or five), and he'd seen a movie or two in his day.
He also completely dissed Blade Runner when it was first released.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jun 24, 2016, 07:23:48 AM
I think it's more the vocal fans that disliked it. Don't get me wrong, I'm not particularly fond of Prometheus myself but I think people really underestimate the actual, wider reaction to the film.
I find it's mostly the younger folk who really liked it. They are more easily swayed by all the pretty CGI and shiny things. Older folk who's had a little bit more time to develop a sense of good taste tend to be much more critical towards the film.
Well a lot of Prometheus is practical, but the effects both real and CGI are breathtaking. Even if you remove the film's aesthetics, its greatness is still preserved. For me at least.
The usual complaints with Prometheus(snake, straight line, Weyland makeup) don't bother me at all.
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Jun 24, 2016, 04:14:40 PM
I find it's mostly the younger folk who really liked it. They are more easily swayed by all the pretty CGI and shiny things. Older folk who's had a little bit more time to develop a sense of good taste tend to be much more critical towards the film.
There is so much wrong with that statement.
I'm middle of the road when it comes to prometheus, but the assumptions people make about the fans of this film still amaze me.
Quote from: 426Buddy on Jun 24, 2016, 04:31:10 PM
There is so much wrong with that statement.
I'm middle of the road when it comes to prometheus, but the assumptions people make about the fans of this film still amaze me.
Yes, it's called generalizing.
There are always exceptions. But it is what I have culled from years of careful observation.
Now get the hell off mah lawn!
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Quote from: Mr. Clemens on Jun 23, 2016, 09:35:44 PM
It always baffles me that people will say that 'everyone hated Prometheus'. Ebert himself gave it four stars (I can't recall if that's out of four or five), and he'd seen a movie or two in his day.
I think it's more the vocal fans that disliked it. Don't get me wrong, I'm not particularly fond of Prometheus myself but I think people really underestimate the actual, wider reaction to the film.
Quote from: SiL on Jun 24, 2016, 06:42:03 AM
Quote from: mace-in-the-face on Jun 24, 2016, 04:09:37 AM
And what do you think Prometheus was? It was just a rip off of several different movies that were once regarded as "Alien Rip-offs".
Prometheus is mostly recycling a lot of ideas that didn't make it into Alien.
Probably one of the more interesting angles for me. Just a shame they didn't come across as interesting as those concepts actually sounded (or looked, in the case of the artwork).
^^Yeah. And they needed the one other connective ingredient... One more thing that made sense enough to make the movie more interesting. - It should have had something to do with when the woke up the Engineer. The Engineer needed to do something to the humans that added to the sense of wonder the opening scene created around them. I think if that were the case, all the other pitfalls would have been overlooked by people. Having the Engineer just attack the crew was, to me, like waving a flag that said, "See all this interesting stuff that happened before? We aren't going to follow through on any of it." And that's a let down and after so many great creative ideas - like the goo infecting Holloway and making his semen create a baby where there couldn't be one - after ideas like that, it just falls flat. It needed to mount to something in the 3rd act. For me, it's not even about questions having no answers, its about the unanswered questions not stacking up in the action in the 3rd act.
More specifically, when they wake up the Engineer, I'm guessing I was supposed to think "Oh Shit! Why is our God trying to kill us?" But instead I was thinking "Really? After all this interesting stuff, that's the best they could come up with for what happens when they wake this guy up?" It was a big let down. Not that they wanted to kill us, but that he didn't do anything interesting first.
I think watching it, the audience never feels the threat with the Engineer connects to the other threats in the movie, and that's the next step in the narrative, and that "Why do they want to kill us" wasn't a question the audience should be asking themselves at the moment. It's not the lack of answers it's sometimes asking the wrong questions, at the wrong time, or even asking questions without the context to make me interested. I wasn't interested in why they wanted to kill us. I could have been, but first they needed to make the Engineer do something interesting to make me interested.
Now Ridley is asking: Who made the Alien and Why?
Im not sure I care about that TBH. I hope the film gives me a reason to care.
Here is how Ridley can scare the shit out of people:
"With new technology making things possible that weren't before, I have decided to revisit Alien to add a few things things that back in 1979 just were not possible; We will replace Ian Holm's decapitated prosthetic with an entirely CG head, make the alien faster and more deadly which wasn't possible using a man in a suit. The chestburster will now leap from Kane's stomach and scale the walls before exiting, LV-426 will now be teeming with organic life such as fireflies and floating space jellyfish, and we will replace all electronic equipment in the Nostromo to better fit in with the tech shown in Prometheus."
I believe the phrase was "scare the living shit out of people". That's a terrible way to mix "shit" and "living day-lights" together.
Anyway, Prometheus is in my top 5 films
1. Aliens
2. Alien
3. Blade Runner
4. Prometheus
5. Tron: Legacy
I never understood the dissing Tron got either. Just such a great, great film, in every way.
Yea no one thinks of shit as living but remember that shit is colonized with trillions of microscopic bacteria and covered in black goo.... oh no, black goo is alien shit.
Quote from: 426Buddy on Jun 24, 2016, 04:31:10 PM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Jun 24, 2016, 04:14:40 PM
I find it's mostly the younger folk who really liked it. They are more easily swayed by all the pretty CGI and shiny things. Older folk who's had a little bit more time to develop a sense of good taste tend to be much more critical towards the film.
There is so much wrong with that statement.
I'm middle of the road when it comes to prometheus, but the assumptions people make about the fans of this film still amaze me.
Yeah, I can't really agree with that assessment 8th. It's the same as with all the other Alien films. It's a completely different thing. Some folk love it, some folk don't. I don't think there's any particular type of fan.
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Jun 24, 2016, 04:14:40 PMI find it's mostly the younger folk who really liked it. They are more easily swayed by all the pretty CGI and shiny things. Older folk who's had a little bit more time to develop a sense of good taste tend to be much more critical towards the film.
That really is the most untrue statement of the year. I'm young, 34, and feel quite offended now. I love Alien and Prometheus, equally. For both movies, effects are part of the reason. Funny, how Alien doesn't have shiny CGI effects and Prometheus does....
My girlfriend is a few years younger than I am, and can love Pride And Prejudice as much as a Marvel movie. I dare say her sense of taste is extremely developed. I truly can't stand statements like you made that simply wont stand up to any kind of scrutiny. Just accept people love Prometheus, and move on. Deal with it.
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Jun 25, 2016, 07:44:00 AM
I believe the phrase was "scare the living shit out of people". That's a terrible way to mix "shit" and "living day-lights" together.
Anyway, Prometheus is in my top 5 films
1. Aliens
2. Alien
3. Blade Runner
4. Prometheus
5. Tron: Legacy
I never understood the dissing Tron got either. Just such a great, great film, in every way.
Tron legacy was the shit. That daft punk soundtrack, Olivia Wilde, and the light cycles 👊 Jeff bridges too!
If Prometheus was as good as Alien or Aliens there'd practically be no divide amongst Aliens fans old and new. Which puts the movie on par with Alien 3 and Resurrection. I'm hearing alot of people here saying how they think Prometheus was far better than 3 and R but no real reason for it other than it looked great. You can polish a turd and dress it up so it looks really good. but underneath, if you have the brain to figure out somethings wrong and investigate for yourself, you'll see that shiny looking something is actually a big fat turd gone wrong. But i'd really like to know why some of you mainstreamers love this movie. Is it the reveal of the engineers so soon in the movie? Is it that a mega corporation funded a trillion dollars to a hunch and a vague ass cave painting? Is it Guy P's terrible old man make up? Is it that Shaw uses the carbon reader to somehow re animate a dead head for shits and giggles? Is it the geologist who never picks up a rock and gets lost in a tunnel system that he mapped? is it the lame zombie Fifield attack and not the Alien Fifield attack that was originally supposed to be used but Riddles said f**k it? Ones things for sure, those of you who did love this movie should never be allowed to make a movie of your own.
Quote from: LordCassusSnow on Jun 25, 2016, 03:06:56 PM
If Prometheus was as good as Alien or Aliens there'd practically be no divide amongst Aliens fans old and new. Which puts the movie on par with Alien 3 and Resurrection. I'm hearing alot of people here saying how they think Prometheus was far better than 3 and R but no real reason for it other than it looked great. You can polish a turd and dress it up so it looks really good. but underneath, if you have the brain to figure out somethings wrong and investigate for yourself, you'll see that shiny looking something is actually a big fat turd gone wrong. But i'd really like to know why some of you mainstreamers love this movie. Is it the reveal of the engineers so soon in the movie? Is it that a mega corporation funded a trillion dollars to a hunch and a vague ass cave painting? Is it Guy P's terrible old man make up? Is it that Shaw uses the carbon reader to somehow re animate a dead head for shits and giggles? Is it the geologist who never picks up a rock and gets lost in a tunnel system that he mapped? is it the lame zombie Fifield attack and not the Alien Fifield attack that was originally supposed to be used but Riddles said f**k it? Ones things for sure, those of you who did love this movie should never be allowed to make a movie of your own.
And again with the shitty comments towards people who love this movie.... Any reason why you feel the need to be rude like that?
In YOUR opinion it sucks. In the opinion of others it's a good movie, even according to some well known names in movie-reviewing. I'm very happy that yourself as the be-all-end-all when it comes to wether or not this movie is good or not, but honestly, your opinion isn't fact.
Personally, Ilove this movie because of how it deals with humanity's own illusions. We feel so great about ourself, that we asume our Gods or creators must be even better. We have solved so much already, but still have questions. Surely those that are responsible for us have the answers, right? And when we find our are creators are as much 'human' as we are, we get angry. We get disappointed. We get furious. Some of us can't even accept the answer and will try to find different ones (Shaw).
Sure, I aware of a few mistakes. But I do not see that as critical flaws, because to me, the pro's of this movie outweight the cons. Read that carefully... 'to me...'.
You hate this movie. Fine, go ahead. But stop bashing it simply for the sake of wanting others to feel bad about loving it. That's their right.
Oh, and side note.... So far, the newer, younger fans seem to be the ones who love this movie, and atleast like it. It's been my experience that it's mostly the older guard, who expected a movie almost identical to Alien/Aliens, that were disappointed. I love this movie for being feeling sometimes the same, but mostly completely different.
I'll be very happy if Alien Covenant is even half as good as Prometheus. 8)
Quote from: Scorpio on Jun 25, 2016, 03:51:26 PM
I'll be very happy if Alien Covenant is even half as good as Prometheus. 8)
Hell yeah. :D *fistbump*
Quote from: LordCassusSnow on Jun 25, 2016, 03:06:56 PM
If Prometheus was as good as Alien or Aliens there'd practically be no divide amongst Aliens fans old and new. Which puts the movie on par with Alien 3 and Resurrection. I'm hearing alot of people here saying how they think Prometheus was far better than 3 and R but no real reason for it other than it looked great. You can polish a turd and dress it up so it looks really good. but underneath, if you have the brain to figure out somethings wrong and investigate for yourself, you'll see that shiny looking something is actually a big fat turd gone wrong. But i'd really like to know why some of you mainstreamers love this movie. Is it the reveal of the engineers so soon in the movie? Is it that a mega corporation funded a trillion dollars to a hunch and a vague ass cave painting? Is it Guy P's terrible old man make up? Is it that Shaw uses the carbon reader to somehow re animate a dead head for shits and giggles? Is it the geologist who never picks up a rock and gets lost in a tunnel system that he mapped? is it the lame zombie Fifield attack and not the Alien Fifield attack that was originally supposed to be used but Riddles said f**k it? Ones things for sure, those of you who did love this movie should never be allowed to make a movie of your own.
Hey i love the zombie Fifield attack, should have been longer and much more violent towards the maintenance crew,
and maybe Riddles should have included a Worker Joe in that scene just to show how strong Fifield got.
And some things didnt add up like for instance the hologram of the enigneers through the facility, if you wanted to know what happened then you should have followed the hologram through the whole facility, it didnt make sense.
The scientists didnt make sense and so didnt the dangerous cobra alien that wrapped around his arm, yeah the engineers did dissapoint when they became defineable after all these years of speculation of that mysterious un-defineable creature in the chair.
Yeah the death of Vickers was probably more of a Sharknado kill and cringe worthy.
But still i see it in the category of Predators, also an entertaining movie, i dont support anybody to go in that direction again because i dislike the super predators, they could have easily played this on Earth with normal predators.
If i had a chance then i would retcon both movies(Prometheus only for the jockeys and there not so mysterious outcome) (and Predators for the super predators) but both movies i have bought and i have them on my shelf,
because i find them both entertaining and beautiful to watch and i dont mind watching them every once in a while.
I see this turd movie as, even Ridley's most worst and bad turd is Paul Anderson's best turd.
Quote from: Thomas H. on Jun 25, 2016, 10:23:39 AM
That really is the most untrue statement of the year. I'm young, 34, and feel quite offended now. I love Alien and Prometheus, equally. For both movies, effects are part of the reason. Funny, how Alien doesn't have shiny CGI effects and Prometheus does....
What can I say, I like ruffling feathers. Me an' that rabbit fella, total assholes. People get so easily offended on here. Crack a joke or two about people who smoke pot and certain individuals get all up in arms. :P
But I was referring more to the 14 - 25 crowd. Kids in other words. Have you ever encountered a teenager with good taste before?
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jun 25, 2016, 10:11:29 AM
Yeah, I can't really agree with that assessment 8th.
Don't make me dig up all your old posts from when you were a wee lad in order to prove my statement Corporal. :P ;)
Quote from: Thomas H. on Jun 25, 2016, 03:43:31 PM
Oh, and side note.... So far, the newer, younger fans seem to be the ones who love this movie, and atleast like it. It's been my experience that it's mostly the older guard, who expected a movie almost identical to Alien/Aliens, that were disappointed. I love this movie for being feeling sometimes the same, but mostly completely different.
^See, I'm not the only asshole on here!
Anyway, if it isn't an age issue then it must be an IQ issue. :laugh:
I'm 45, intelligent, and I like Prometheus quite a bit. Of course it has its flaws, but I find the film to be an enjoyable sensory experience.
(I still think Holloway looks more like a guy who would pants you in front of your high school crush than a scientist, however.)
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Jun 25, 2016, 04:09:27 PM
Quote from: Thomas H. on Jun 25, 2016, 10:23:39 AM
That really is the most untrue statement of the year. I'm young, 34, and feel quite offended now. I love Alien and Prometheus, equally. For both movies, effects are part of the reason. Funny, how Alien doesn't have shiny CGI effects and Prometheus does....
What can I say, I like ruffling feathers. Me an' that rabbit fella, total assholes. People get so easily offended on here. Crack a joke or two about people who smoke pot and certain individuals get all up in arms. :P
But I was referring more to the 14 - 25 crowd. Kids in other words. Have you ever encountered a teenager with good taste before?
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jun 25, 2016, 10:11:29 AM
Yeah, I can't really agree with that assessment 8th.
Don't make me dig up all your old posts from when you were a wee lad in order to prove my statement Corporal. :P ;)
Quote from: Thomas H. on Jun 25, 2016, 03:43:31 PM
Oh, and side note.... So far, the newer, younger fans seem to be the ones who love this movie, and atleast like it. It's been my experience that it's mostly the older guard, who expected a movie almost identical to Alien/Aliens, that were disappointed. I love this movie for being feeling sometimes the same, but mostly completely different.
^See, I'm not the only asshole on here!
Anyway, if it isn't an age issue then it must be an IQ issue. :laugh:
There's rufflin' feathers, and there's simply being an asshole because you can't actually keep an intelligent discussion and just shout very loud to make yourself seem clever. Donald Trump comes to mind now......
But yes, you truly come across as someone that has a particular level of IQ. This is the point where I insert the laughing emoticon to make myself seem extra clever/smart, right?
Prometheus was awesome. I wish people would admit that they didn't like it because it wasn't about gooey monsters slashing people up in ugly, crushed-black corridors. You didn't hate it because Vickers ran in a straight line, you hated it because it wasn't an action-horror film.
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Jun 25, 2016, 04:09:27 PM
Quote from: Thomas H. on Jun 25, 2016, 10:23:39 AM
That really is the most untrue statement of the year. I'm young, 34, and feel quite offended now. I love Alien and Prometheus, equally. For both movies, effects are part of the reason. Funny, how Alien doesn't have shiny CGI effects and Prometheus does....
What can I say, I like ruffling feathers. Me an' that rabbit fella, total assholes. People get so easily offended on here. Crack a joke or two about people who smoke pot and certain individuals get all up in arms. :P
But I was referring more to the 14 - 25 crowd. Kids in other words. Have you ever encountered a teenager with good taste before?
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jun 25, 2016, 10:11:29 AM
Yeah, I can't really agree with that assessment 8th.
Don't make me dig up all your old posts from when you were a wee lad in order to prove my statement Corporal. :P ;)
Quote from: Thomas H. on Jun 25, 2016, 03:43:31 PM
Oh, and side note.... So far, the newer, younger fans seem to be the ones who love this movie, and atleast like it. It's been my experience that it's mostly the older guard, who expected a movie almost identical to Alien/Aliens, that were disappointed. I love this movie for being feeling sometimes the same, but mostly completely different.
^See, I'm not the only asshole on here!
Anyway, if it isn't an age issue then it must be an IQ issue. :laugh:
Whelp, I'm 16 and I love Prometheus. Of course I see it's flaws, and I think that everybody who likes this movie does as well, but that doesn't stop me from enjoying the hell out of it. As someone else here said, the pros far outweigh the cons.
As a young person I can confirm that young people aren't as easily swayed by special effects as many think we are. What I look for in a movie is a great story, interesting characters, good music, cinematography, etc. what I'm saying is that, as George Lucas once shockingly said, special effects without a good story makes for a shitty movie (paraphrasing). I don't love Prometheus for the special effects, however a lot of the practical effects in the movie certainly enforce my enjoyment.
I can speak for most, not all, of my teenage friends when I say that they have better taste than you would think.
Quote from: Mr. Clemens on Jun 25, 2016, 04:28:35 PM
I'm 45, intelligent, and I like Prometheus quite a bit. Of course it has its flaws, but I find the film to be an enjoyable sensory experience.
(I still think Holloway looks more like a guy who would pants you in front of your high school crush than a scientist, however.)
I'm 42, intelligent, and I like Prometheus quite a bit. Of course it has its flaws, but I find the film to be an enjoyable sensory experience. 😄
Ok so the snake part was total crap and the Fifield scene should have been the one in the deleted scenes but the damn movie is friggin great and could have been a lot better if the deacon evolved and went after Shaw...
I'm an Astronomy & Space fanatic as well as loving adventure so for me this film was almost perfect. People don't like it because there was not enough guns and action or what exactly? I think it opened up the whole Alien franchise to almost endless possibilities.
The pros of this movie outweighs the cons? Are you for real? Ill just put you folks in the Batman v Superman corner. You love it because its shiny and big while the real fans hate it because real fans know who batman and superman are supposed to be just like Alien fans know what an Alien movie is supposed to be. Even Riddles himself is trying to rehash Prometheus with Covenant. Why do you think its called Alien Covenant? No Aliens means a shit Alien movie. Riddles is a businesses man and after Fankamps Alien heavy movie was announced and met with positive reception the only right move was to make this movie xeno heavy as well. Even going so far as to change the tital to Alien. Again, James Cameron felt it doesnt work continuity wise. Lance Henrikson still isn't sure what he saw and everyone who isnt a hardcore alien fan who i lend the movie to say the same. The only thing they really enjoyed was the visuals. And David 8.
I take hate back. Hate is too strong of a word in this case. I dont hate Prometheus. I just rather watch any of the other 4 Alien movies. At least i get some actual Xenos and Sigourney Weaver bein a bad ass.
Quote from: Thomas H. on Jun 25, 2016, 05:40:29 PM
There's rufflin' feathers, and there's simply being an asshole because you can't actually keep an intelligent discussion and just shout very loud to make yourself seem clever. Donald Trump comes to mind now......
But yes, you truly come across as someone that has a particular level of IQ. This is the point where I insert the laughing emoticon to make myself seem extra clever/smart, right?
Oh dear, I see I have offended you again. Pity the ignore button doesn't work. Will it help if I send some flowers?
Quote from: Mr. Clemens on Jun 25, 2016, 04:28:35 PM
I'm 45, intelligent, and I like Prometheus quite a bit. Of course it has its flaws, but I find the film to be an enjoyable sensory experience.
(I still think Holloway looks more like a guy who would pants you in front of your high school crush than a scientist, however.)
He does doesn't he? He was a much older and more emotionally mature guy in the Engineers script though. Fifield and Millburn also act like they should still be in high school.
But seriously guys, if you enjoy Prometheus then good for you. We all have our guilty pleasures. I really enjoy the visuals as well but taken as a whole it's simply not a timeless classic no matter how you may try and spin it. In many ways it's a lot like Alien 3. A film that could have been really great but ultimately let down by a sub-par script, inconsistent editing and a general lack of direction in what exactly it wanted to be.
Quote from: LordCassusSnow on Jun 25, 2016, 09:34:58 PM
The pros of this movie outweighs the cons? Are you for real? Ill just put you folks in the Batman v Superman corner. You love it because its shiny and big while the real fans hate it because real fans know who batman and superman are supposed to be just like Alien fans know what an Alien movie is supposed to be.
I'm gonna try to avoid arguing with you because you seem pretty consistently angry and dim, which is an ugly combination, but I couldn't let these two points go. I've been an Alien fan since 1979. Have you? It and Blade Runner are my two favourite films, and I like Prometheus, warts and all. I'll stand by that.
Batman and Superman, on the other hand, can go pound sand. Superhero movies truly are for the lowest common denominator. And I'll stand by that, too.
I'm 38, a total smartass and I like Prometheus quite a bit. Yea I may not be old fart 40'ish but the 30's most be represented, yo.
Most of the people on the Prometheus were mercenaries and Indiana Jones types. What a shock they royally f**ked everything up.
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Jun 25, 2016, 09:43:43 PMHe was a much older and more emotionally mature guy in the Engineers script though.
I
so wish they had kept that element. It would be so much more intriguing of a relationship. My guess is they changed it because they were worried about accusations of sexism. Too bad... it's not like this was gonna be Saturn 3, or something! :D
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.themoviescene.co.uk%2Freviews%2F_img%2F2898-2.jpg&hash=870f38718b5dba4da4d14effaa8552f95e490875)
Mr clemens, i made my points. Theres no point in arguing the obvious so i understand your backing down. As for your opinion on superhero movies, really? Your gonna get on my case without any real argument and then totally slam everyone who likes superhero movies? For shame sir. If people like Prometheus thats fine. I collect the comics and research the new lore myself. But to scream your love for this movie from the mountains and put it in your top 5 favorites of all time is just unreal. Thats when i gotta ask why.
Quote from: LordCassusSnow on Jun 25, 2016, 10:12:10 PMto scream your love for this movie from the mountains and put it in your top 5 favorites of all time is just unreal. Thats when i gotta ask why.
I wasn't actually screaming anything. I said I "like the film quite a bit". And it's nowhere near in my top five - that must have been somebody else who said that. As for the rest... ah, it's Saturday night. I've got stuff to do.
Quote from: Mr. Clemens on Jun 25, 2016, 09:46:05 PMI've been an Alien fan since 1979. Have you?
BWAHAHAHAAAAA!!!!!!!1!
Who cares if Riddles wants to scare the shit out of his audience when Mr. Clemens does such a better job.
Rarely, is it a good time to pull that argument out of the deck but good on you for doing so. If you really want to get full mileage out of that fact you can always say
"I've been an Alien fan since 1979. Have you? Which means I've been a fan since before you were born. ...probably before your parents even met!" ...and then cap it off with
"I was a fan before 'ALIENS' even existed!" just to put 'em in their proper space. Of course, it works best when you know their age.
You just got to be careful how you use it as it's most powerful when used in jest. Especially in a social gathering with a group of people drinking at the bar. The guffaws will be worth it!
Quote from: Mr. Clemens on Jun 25, 2016, 09:46:05 PM
Superhero movies truly are for the lowest common denominator. And I'll stand by that, too.
Most super hero movies are glorified stupid. Loads of fun, sure. ...but still stupid. As far as "the lowest common denominator" goes,
'Average' is not an achievement - it's a target demographic aimed at by marketing analysts.
LOL.
-Windebieste.
Funny how many people on this board and in this fan base judge and cut each other down based on something so subjective such as taste in films. Especially great how everyone thinks they get to decide who is a real fan and who is not.
LordCassusSnow makes offensive and rude remarks in most of his posts... Just an observation.
Behave yourselves!
Now with that out of the way; some people think Alien³ is the best alien movie ever made.
Quote from: Nostromo on Jun 25, 2016, 06:29:56 PM
Quote from: Mr. Clemens on Jun 25, 2016, 04:28:35 PM
I'm 45, intelligent, and I like Prometheus quite a bit. Of course it has its flaws, but I find the film to be an enjoyable sensory experience.
(I still think Holloway looks more like a guy who would pants you in front of your high school crush than a scientist, however.)
I'm 42, intelligent, and I like Prometheus quite a bit. Of course it has its flaws, but I find the film to be an enjoyable sensory experience. 😄
Ok so the snake part was total crap and the Fifield scene should have been the one in the deleted scenes but the damn movie is friggin great and could have been a lot better if the deacon evolved and went after Shaw...
I'm an Astronomy & Space fanatic as well as loving adventure so for me this film was almost perfect. People don't like it because there was not enough guns and action or what exactly? I think it opened up the whole Alien franchise to almost endless possibilities.
The snake part is the BEST part. I love how Milburn dies. Best death in a quasi-horror film, ever. :)
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Jun 25, 2016, 09:43:43 PM
Oh dear, I see I have offended you again. Pity the ignore button doesn't work. Will it help if I send some flowers?
I prefer chocolates. Dark, if possible. Flowers upset my hayfever. ;)
Quote from: Mr. Clemens on Jun 25, 2016, 09:53:49 PM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Jun 25, 2016, 09:43:43 PMHe was a much older and more emotionally mature guy in the Engineers script though.
I so wish they had kept that element. It would be so much more intriguing of a relationship. My guess is they changed it because they were worried about accusations of sexism. Too bad... it's not like this was gonna be Saturn 3, or something! :D
http://www.themoviescene.co.uk/reviews/_img/2898-2.jpg
I love Saturn 3. It is flawed of course, especially by it's effects, but it's a great fun watch. I mean it is like The Terminator in many ways. They could do a remake of this as Saturn 4...
Quote from: windebieste on Jun 25, 2016, 10:27:25 PM
Quote from: Mr. Clemens on Jun 25, 2016, 09:46:05 PMI've been an Alien fan since 1979. Have you?
BWAHAHAHAAAAA!!!!!!!1!
Who cares if Riddles wants to scare the shit out of his audience when Mr. Clemens does such a better job.
Rarely, is it a good time to pull that argument out of the deck but good on you for doing so. If you really want to get full mileage out of that fact you can always say "I've been an Alien fan since 1979. Have you? Which means I've been a fan since before you were born. ...probably before your parents even met!" ...and then cap it off with "I was a fan before 'ALIENS' even existed!" just to put 'em in their proper space. Of course, it works best when you know their age.
You just got to be careful how you use it as it's most powerful when used in jest. Especially in a social gathering with a group of people drinking at the bar. The guffaws will be worth it!
LOL.
-Windebieste.
Ahahahaha! One can also try:
I've been an Alien fan since 1979 you son of a b!tch lol, Have you?
Or
Why you son of a b!tch! I've been an Alien fan since '79! Have you?
😃😂😁
PS- Hey LordCassusSnow I put Prometheus in my all time top five, let's hear it lol..
http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=54765.0
Holy shit, guys. I keep seeing all these ages thrown around and they just don't seem to match up with the words I'm reading. Seriously. We can have differing opinions but there's absolutely zero need to go around throwing insults at each other for those opinions or throwing out true fan bullshit. You're all better than that.
Cassus, I'm immensely bored of having to warn you. Please enjoy a sojourn away from this community. If you're unable to maintain a decent attitude then don't come back.
Quote from: NickisSmart on Jun 25, 2016, 11:59:35 PM
The snake part is the BEST part. I love how Milburn dies. Best death in a quasi-horror film, ever. :)
That's a question that seems to have escaped these boards. What was the best part about Prometheus. I mean the hammerpede was awesome but it couldn't be the best moment, could it? Waking the engineer seemed to be even better in my opinion.
The best part for me is from the moment Halloway spots the Engineer pyramids until the part they discover the black goo urns/ampules inside the tomb/temple. The music during most of this period is Bad Ass. "This is just another tomb".
Anyone notice some weird sh!t coming out of the tomb into the atmosphere during this scene? As if that storm was caused by something that evaporated from in there. Maybe black goo condensation causes weird storm patters too :).
For me, the best part is that shot of Shaw looking up at the juggernaut looming above her, before it starts rolling. Actually that entire juggernaut crash scene, even the straight-line running. It's just so damned epic.
Quote from: whiterabbit on Jun 26, 2016, 11:28:24 AM
Quote from: NickisSmart on Jun 25, 2016, 11:59:35 PM
The snake part is the BEST part. I love how Milburn dies. Best death in a quasi-horror film, ever. :)
That's a question that seems to have escaped these boards. What was the best part about Prometheus. I mean the hammerpede was awesome but it couldn't be the best moment, could it? Waking the engineer seemed to be even better in my opinion.
I really love the whole third act. It seems like a lot of people aren't a fan of it, but I think that's where it gets really really good. Everything from the Orrery scene to the end is brilliant, IMO.
Quote from: Mr. Clemens on Jun 26, 2016, 02:01:23 PM
For me, the best part is that shot of Shaw looking up at the juggernaut looming above her, before it starts rolling. Actually that entire juggernaut crash scene, even the straight-line running. It's just so damned epic.
Scale is impressive, EPIC. I love the whole scene, the departure of the ship, race of Vickers in Prometheus, the ejection of cabins, collision, music, debris ... The achievement is amazing.
But there are so many good moments in Prometheus, the first 15 minutes are fantastic. The storm, C-Section (counting the discussion between David and Shaw, perfect), Orrery Scene. The discovery of the giant head, the vehicle enters the gigantic pyramid.
And the very end is great, mysterious and exciting. And finally we have a sequel....
Yep the scene where the jugg starts lifting off .....the low rumble........that weird vibrating noise - awesome especially the way it follows the engineer getting into the chair - taking a breath before the suit closes - that beautiful clunk noise when it clicks into place.
Awesome.
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Oh dear, I see I have offended you again. Pity the ignore button doesn't work. Will it help if I send some flowers?
I prefer chocolates. Dark, if possible. Flowers upset my hayfever. ;)
Haha... you're okay dude. Apologies for any real offence I may have caused though.
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Oh dear, I see I have offended you again. Pity the ignore button doesn't work. Will it help if I send some flowers?
I prefer chocolates. Dark, if possible. Flowers upset my hayfever. ;)
Haha... you're okay dude. Apologies for any real offence I may have caused though.
We cool man, we cool. ;)
Can't say it will scare people. Most people know what the Xenomorph looks like by now.
It's not scaring with the unknown at this point. It's scaring by putting characters we like in peril. And plenty of people knew what a shark looked like before Jaws. And I'm sure a master like Ridley will think up novel ways of scaring us. Different shots, editing and music, etc.
Good point BishopShouldGo, good point
In fact, I'll raise that point with an example of Fear of the Walking Dead. It's a zombie prequel! I've seen zombies all my life, I know what they look like, what happens if you get bitten ... but it's the emotional attachment you develop to a character and then when they are confronted with danger you edge to the edge of your seat. Or, and I don't mean to be silly, but I just watched Mi5, and the scene with Tom Cruise when he's under water ... I really thought he wasn't going to make it. Now I know it's an action movie, but whoever directed that film, hats off for that scene. I really thought he was dead! Now if Ridley can recapture that with great character that you really care about, then you're talking star-beast fear refresh, and lots of happy cinema goers :) So to conclude, great characters you really care about + excellent "Alien" aliens = fear reboot: one doesn't work without the other
I expect the movie overall will indeed be "much worse" just not in the way Ridley Scott means.
Quote from: CelticPred97 on Jul 02, 2016, 06:34:35 PM
I expect the movie overall will indeed be "much worse" just not in the way Ridley Scott means.
Why?
Quote from: whiterabbit on Jun 25, 2016, 11:40:45 PM
Behave yourselves!
Now with that out of the way; some people think Alien³ is the best alien movie ever made.
Alien3 is only hated bc
- it could have been much more bc of the restrictions of Fox
- extended cut is much entertaining
- they killed of characters at the beginning
- its the same chasedown-horror as Alien
Personaly i think, for the character Ripley is a "nice" ending. How she cant escape her faith and the xeno and how it destroys and takes everything away from her. The movie is just realistic, im glad they made it like that and not to go back to the xenos homeworld, this saga didnt need an epic ending, its a story of Ripley, she saved the world in the butthole of the universe, no one will know about it. Shes just an ordenary woman(troughout all the 3 movies), yet the bigest hero of the universe.
Alien3 is underrated big time.
Now i dunno whats so special about Prometheus besides the sets, that its an Alien movie and Fassbender. The whole movie is shallow, not scary at all, has no tension and most of the characters do the dumbest things ever for no reason. And not such dumb things like Dallas going the wrong way because he scared or Golic loving the Xeno because hes a psycho. For me Prometheus is an Alien vs Predator remake with better actors and sets.
how can you beat the chestburster
Prometheus did a good job with the surgery scene. If only there had been proper build-up to the scene, and Shaw dying during the surgery or shortly afterwards. It was close, but no cigar.
The surgery scene is brilliant. It exploits modern fears well. In Alien, it was the trauma of natural birth. In Prometheus, it's about surgery (specifically, a cesarean which a lot of women get nowadays instead of the traditional 'birth').
I think it's a classic scene and right up there with the chesburster. ;D
For expectant parents there's also a strange and irrational fear that there's a monster growing inside the mother. It usually comes out in nightmares, so the surgery scene really preyed on that.
The surgery scene was considerably more harrowing in the earlier drafts. The whole scene was almost the raison d'être for the film. Shaw would have become the first person to survive a chest-bursting. It was really hectic (and messy), probably a little bit too much for modern audiences.
We actually got a very watered-down version of the original concept.
Quote from: NickisSmart on Jul 04, 2016, 06:41:15 AM
Prometheus did a good job with the surgery scene. If only there had been proper build-up to the scene, and Shaw dying during the surgery or shortly afterwards. It was close, but no cigar.
Problem is gore isnt scary, it just creates disgust. The director needs to build up to the monster and tp create tension amongst the characters and audiance....the less u get the more u appriciate it, ie. Alien, Jurassic Park, Predator. Prometheus first act works really well, even the worm attack too...but after that,it slips out of Ridley's hand as he throws all kinds of threats in your face and at his characters like space zombies, space tentacles, giant alien humanoids, space infection, a spaecraft destroying Earth...all out of the blue.
Hence why I say "no cigar." Gore by itself is ineffective without proper build-up and attachment to the characters.
Yes and Ridley doesnt seem like understands the jist of it, see Holloway was introduced troughout the movie as a loudmouth jerk.
Same goes for Vickers and for her dead.. So i didnt give two cents about them.
And the pilots death was also irrelevant since they werent flushed out at all, same goes for no name goons. They all just died without knowing anything about them.
Milburn and Shaw were the most flushed out and most likeable ones.
I was more sad when Aaron, Clemens, Dillon died. They've a got build up, also the xeno got one. Alien3 is a good horror :3
I dont have such computer to produce movies in HD but i always wanted to cut together a Prometheus - Personal cut with
- cutting out the enginers and the digging part at the beginning (unnecessary)
- addign the transmission scenes while Prometheus burst trough space, it would make total sense that those transmissions are dritfting trough space (helps building characters)
- and adding every extra scene to the movie wich helps building characters and tension (too bad some of them were unfinished)
- also exchanging asshole Holloway in the bedroom with romantic Holloway
These wouldnt make the movie a 9/10 but would make it reasonable that its a 7/10.
I hated the deleted scene, where Holloway takes Shaw pretty roughly. In the end, she yields (whatever floats her boat, I guess) but for two characters who are supposed to have chemistry the scene didn't really explain their attraction. In fact, I couldn't tell why they were together apart their mutual desire to meet aliens, or whatever, but even then, they disagreed rather strongly. Opposites, attract, and all that--sure, fine, whatever. I understand the concept, but didn't like the characters when they were onscreen, together. They did nothing but argue and bicker, it felt like.
The movie wasn't really that funny. For such a short film (shorter than Alien, and that film, with the number of characters and the rate at which they are dealt with, is expeditious), I found it far easier to bond with jokers like Parker and Brett, than, say, Milburn and Fifield, who clearly were supposedly to be the comedic relief, in Prometheus. The short amount of time they spend onscreen is used to demonstrate how much they dislike each other, with a small chuckle being delivered right before the Hammerpede scene. Nobody in the movie likes each other, even remotely. It's like, none of them could relate to each other, and if they can't, how are we supposed to relate to them? There has to be some kind of understandable animosity or friendship. Alien did this very well, was a very lean film at the same time. Prometheus, on the other hand, was far too skeletal to stand on its own two feet.
My point is, this skeletal, truncated, terminally-abreviated quality to Prometheus, left it unable to function as a horror film or an adventure film, because most of the characters were unlikeable or difficult to relate to, or just downright confusing. People die in horror films, so you have to be able to relate to them, or the deaths don't mean anything.
The one character I appreciated the most was David, who is ironically the most enigmatic and duplicitous, but infinitely more enjoyable than the bevy of other baffling crew members. While the others were confusing, however, I was able, with David, to theorize and potentially understand his motives. He's a complex character, but studying his actions gleans something satisfying: a) He was funny and b) while he hated certain characters, I got why. He pretended to like them, but had things going on beneath the surface that gave him a layered, satisfyingly-mysterious quality to his persona. With characters like Shaw or Holloway or Vickers, they were simple, and did things that were more confusing than anything else. Attempting to reason their actions yielded confusion, and frustration, because they really are simple, with everything laid up in front of you, but the pieces don't add up. It's like having a jigsaw puzzle with 2-3 pieces where none of them fit. There's nothing complex going on--it's just nothing works.
If Scott really wants to scare people, he needs to avoid the kind of simple, confusing character design that populated Prometheus' cast. Less characters, more screen time, more laughs, more compatible and sympathetic people and situations. I'm not a trucker, but I can still identify with the Nostromo crew, on some level. The only person I could relate with in Prometheus is David, and he's not even human! Maybe that's the point, sort of like in 2001, where the human characters have essentially become dehumanized. But then, in Prometheus, trying to tug at the audience's heartstrings when Holloway buys the farm, or scaring us properly during any of the other fatalities, is like mixing beer and wine.
In Millburn and Fifield's defense, they pretty much just met each other, whereas Parker and Brett were kind of friends.
Quote from: plagueharvester813 on Jul 04, 2016, 05:55:12 AM
how can you beat the chestburster
Spiders... brrr.... :o
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZaFsUEGnfU
imagine those f**kers in a r rated movie..
They r creepy as f**k...they look soft white jellyfish n yet as hard crabs with spider features...like some super predators in your worst nightmare..
I wish someone would draw them in xenomorphish style..
I think what Prometheus did was use the alien franchise popularity and give fans a taste of whats to come even if they convoluted it by making an intellectual mind tease, with a paced out kind of horror. The budget was there so they did it. I hope Riddles uses this as leverage because i believe there is no mistake in making Prometheus but there would have been if they used the original script with Aliens. They would have fed fan service too quickly if they did. Spoil the shit out of fans, without even testing the waters (considering it's ridley's return to the franchise).
The bet is on to see if the next movie will be less adventure and more horror. and another bet to see if he will place xenomorphs (from the first one) into it or if it's yet another tease.
Either way, i just hope there are no bunny rabits.
Quote from: NickisSmart on Jul 05, 2016, 12:53:58 PM
I hated the deleted scene, where Holloway takes Shaw pretty roughly. In the end, she yields (whatever floats her boat, I guess) but for two characters who are supposed to have chemistry the scene didn't really explain their attraction. In fact, I couldn't tell why they were together apart their mutual desire to meet aliens, or whatever, but even then, they disagreed rather strongly. Opposites, attract, and all that--sure, fine, whatever. I understand the concept, but didn't like the characters when they were onscreen, together. They did nothing but argue and bicker, it felt like.
The movie wasn't really that funny. For such a short film (shorter than Alien, and that film, with the number of characters and the rate at which they are dealt with, is expeditious), I found it far easier to bond with jokers like Parker and Brett, than, say, Milburn and Fifield, who clearly were supposedly to be the comedic relief, in Prometheus. The short amount of time they spend onscreen is used to demonstrate how much they dislike each other, with a small chuckle being delivered right before the Hammerpede scene. Nobody in the movie likes each other, even remotely. It's like, none of them could relate to each other, and if they can't, how are we supposed to relate to them? There has to be some kind of understandable animosity or friendship. Alien did this very well, was a very lean film at the same time. Prometheus, on the other hand, was far too skeletal to stand on its own two feet.
My point is, this skeletal, truncated, terminally-abreviated quality to Prometheus, left it unable to function as a horror film or an adventure film, because most of the characters were unlikeable or difficult to relate to, or just downright confusing. People die in horror films, so you have to be able to relate to them, or the deaths don't mean anything.
The one character I appreciated the most was David, who is ironically the most enigmatic and duplicitous, but infinitely more enjoyable than the bevy of other baffling crew members. While the others were confusing, however, I was able, with David, to theorize and potentially understand his motives. He's a complex character, but studying his actions gleans something satisfying: a) He was funny and b) while he hated certain characters, I got why. He pretended to like them, but had things going on beneath the surface that gave him a layered, satisfyingly-mysterious quality to his persona. With characters like Shaw or Holloway or Vickers, they were simple, and did things that were more confusing than anything else. Attempting to reason their actions yielded confusion, and frustration, because they really are simple, with everything laid up in front of you, but the pieces don't add up. It's like having a jigsaw puzzle with 2-3 pieces where none of them fit. There's nothing complex going on--it's just nothing works.
If Scott really wants to scare people, he needs to avoid the kind of simple, confusing character design that populated Prometheus' cast. Less characters, more screen time, more laughs, more compatible and sympathetic people and situations. I'm not a trucker, but I can still identify with the Nostromo crew, on some level. The only person I could relate with in Prometheus is David, and he's not even human! Maybe that's the point, sort of like in 2001, where the human characters have essentially become dehumanized. But then, in Prometheus, trying to tug at the audience's heartstrings when Holloway buys the farm, or scaring us properly during any of the other fatalities, is like mixing beer and wine.
Prometheus was barely an Alien movie. Scott saying it has "Alien DNA" was just a lose term for having a few minor references and connections. Prometheus probably didn't even start out as an Alien movie, you could change the ship design around slightly for the Engineers, Replace the Engineers with some Random E.Ts and Boom!, you got a run of the mill Sci-fi movie about some Black Goo DNA changing shit.
It's Barely.... An Alien movie.
Quote from: Guts on Oct 18, 2016, 06:30:30 AM
Prometheus was barely an Alien movie. Scott saying it has "Alien DNA" was just a lose term for having a few minor references and connections. Prometheus probably didn't even start out as an Alien movie, you could change the ship design around slightly for the Engineers, Replace the Engineers with some Random E.Ts and Boom!, you got a run of the mill Sci-fi movie about some Black Goo DNA changing shit.
It's Barely.... An Alien movie.
You have some valid ideas, however, Prometheus did start as an Alien movie — as evinced by the early script drafts. This is not to take away from some of the film's faults, which are augmented quite ironically, by the BTS and supplemental materials released.
As of late, comments like those made by NickisSmart and others make me nervous for Covenant because the film took such a long time, scriptwise, to come together. With 17 actors billed so far, I have doubts about how effective an ensemble cast of this size can be given the the delays in production. I want to be hyped for this film, I really enjoyed Prometheus, and what we have seen thus far looks promising and mysterious (in a more direct and less obtuse way than in Prometheus). I just want to be able to invest myself more in the characters this time around.