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Who would win this one? This is Mr. Black (The one with the jaw on his mak), and This thread will have spoilers, and don't post or read if you have not seen the new movie yet.

Sorry if this was done before since I search for it, and found nothing.

Wolf, easily. While the Super Pred was tough, Wolf is (what I believe) to be an Elder Pred or at least a veteran hunter of very high skill.

Wolf was a thoroughly incompetent retard facing enemies who matched his tardness.

The berserker was utterly devoid of any style,though he chopped the head off of anotha muthaf**ka.

Easy, Mr. Black. While Wolf would be in his "I have honour, I will take Mask off" phase, he'd be blasted to bits by Berserker.

Since wolf is supposed to be this veteran/special ops type it would be safe to say that he would fair better then the other predator did against Mr. black (his real name?).

Quote from: marrerom on Jul 13, 2010, 05:36:42 AM
Since wolf is supposed to be this veteran/special ops type it would be safe to say that he would fair better

He sure as hell didn't show it if he was.

He utterly failed his mission,his only saving grace was the fact that the place got nuked.

Dude was supposed to come and clean up with no noise,but no he skins a dude and hangs him up like the goddamn town christmas tree,leaves technology behind and in doing so apparently helps advance human space travel.

Berserker would rock him. Wolf was an idiot.

I don't consider them in the same continuity anyway but if they had to fight berserker would cave wolf's head in.

Any pred we've seen before could beat Wolf, who is easily the stupidest pred we've seen.

OMG, I'm so sick of everyone saying that Wolf is pathetic, truth is, he is an elder that annihilated many Xenomorphs, you can say that he is that, and this, but in the end, what we saw in the movie is what happend. You can all say he is stupid, yet he managed his job well, you can all say he wasn't as good as "Anytime" or "Pussyface", but he evidently was. I'm so sick of Alien fans saying that oh but the Xenomorphs within the films were retards, or saying ohh nah that wouldn't happen because this would. Yet you all seem to agree that your beloved alien is able to withstand molten lead, or being able to survive having it's head smashed against a pillar several times, well, let me say, that is bullshit if you ask me. So please, don't tell us that he is retarded, or he is crap, just admit that he owned.

Now, back on topic, I must say that Wolf would be able to defeat the Berserker quite comfortably, I could see it now, a battle damaged wolf, with a huge skull in his hand  ;D

Quote from: cvetan on Jul 13, 2010, 07:43:30 AM
OMG, I'm so sick of everyone saying that Wolf is pathetic, truth is, he is an elder

Evidence,sir.

Where is it?

Watch the film.

QuoteOMG, I'm so sick of everyone saying that Wolf is pathetic

OMG We say it cause he is.

Quotetruth is, he is an elder that annihilated many Xenomorphs, you can say that he is that, and this, but in the end, what we saw in the movie is what happend. You can all say he is stupid, yet he managed his job well, you can all say he wasn't as good as "Anytime" or "Pussyface", but he evidently was.

Truth is he's a mary sue crapped out into existence by two incompetents. He annihilated a bunch of cockroaches that definitely went 'Xenomorphs' and he FAILED his job UTTERLY, caused humans to learn of alien existence, steal their technology, and get his ass killed. He's a f**king moron

QuoteI'm so sick of Alien fans saying that oh but the Xenomorphs within the films were retards, or saying ohh nah that wouldn't happen because this would. Yet you all seem to agree that your beloved alien is able to withstand molten lead, or being able to survive having it's head smashed against a pillar several times, well, let me say, that is bullshit if you ask me. So please, don't tell us that he is retarded, or he is crap, just admit that he owned.

"Herp derp i think avpr portrayed aliens right but the aliens movies didn't"

I'm sorry, that has got to be the most f**ktarded argument I've ever heard.

But honestly I don't care since this is coming from the guy who thinks having preds destroy space jockeys to make aliens is a good idea.

Quote from: cvetan on Jul 13, 2010, 07:43:30 AM
OMG, I'm so sick of everyone saying that Wolf is pathetic, truth is, he is an elder that annihilated many Xenomorphs, you can say that he is that, and this, but in the end, what we saw in the movie is what happend. You can all say he is stupid, yet he managed his job well, you can all say he wasn't as good as "Anytime" or "Pussyface", but he evidently was. I'm so sick of Alien fans saying that oh but the Xenomorphs within the films were retards, or saying ohh nah that wouldn't happen because this would. Yet you all seem to agree that your beloved alien is able to withstand molten lead, or being able to survive having it's head smashed against a pillar several times, well, let me say, that is bullshit if you ask me. So please, don't tell us that he is retarded, or he is crap, just admit that he owned.

Now, back on topic, I must say that Wolf would be able to defeat the Berserker quite comfortably, I could see it now, a battle damaged wolf, with a huge skull in his hand  ;D

I'm saying hes pathetic as a predator fan more than an alien one. He did nothing to show how "elite" he was. The Writers and directors were so creatively devoid they couldn't think of any way to make him seem skilled other than by having his enemies even less skilled. Wolf essentially stumbles into extremely dangerous situations and gets out by way of the even more extreme stupidity of others and inordinate amounts of script protection.

As for the molten lead, alien have been shown to survive extreme pressures and temperatures consistently, and as for the pillars they have been shown to be able to take extreme amounts of abuse. I don't think any alien fan would have had a problem with Wolf had he killed the alien in ways that weren't in complete contrast to each species respective roots.

Quote from: Spaghetti on Jul 13, 2010, 07:57:12 AM

QuoteOMG, I'm so sick of everyone saying that Wolf is pathetic

OMG We say it cause he is.

He is not, your pathetic for thinking he is.

Quote from: Spaghetti on Jul 13, 2010, 07:57:12 AM

QuoteOMG, I'm so sick of everyone saying that Wolf is pathetic truth is, he is an elder that annihilated many Xenomorphs, you can say that he is that, and this, but in the end, what we saw in the movie is what happend. You can all say he is stupid, yet he managed his job well, you can all say he wasn't as good as "Anytime" or "Pussyface", but he evidently was.

Truth is he's a mary sue crapped out into existence by two incompetents. He annihilated a bunch of cockroaches that definitely went 'Xenomorphs' and he FAILED his job UTTERLY, caused humans to learn of alien existence, steal their technology, and get his ass killed. He's a f**king moron

Okay, he may have been killed, he may have left behind one piece of technology but he did pretty well, considering the circumstance, he was in the middle of a human existence, he managed to slay plenty of aliens, even though you Deny that they weren't, I'm pretty sure they were. He managed to keep hidden mot of the time, he disposed of most evidence of technology and he wasn't killed by the slightest of things.

QuoteI'm sorry, that has got to be the most f**ktarded argument I've ever heard.

But honestly I don't care since this is coming from the guy who thinks having preds destroy space jockeys to make aliens is a good idea.

Think what you may of me.

Quote from: Eidotemit on Jul 13, 2010, 08:01:20 AM

Quote from: cvetan on Jul 13, 2010, 07:43:30 AM
OMG, I'm so sick of everyone saying that Wolf is pathetic, truth is, he is an elder that annihilated many Xenomorphs, you can say that he is that, and this, but in the end, what we saw in the movie is what happend. You can all say he is stupid, yet he managed his job well, you can all say he wasn't as good as "Anytime" or "Pussyface", but he evidently was. I'm so sick of Alien fans saying that oh but the Xenomorphs within the films were retards, or saying ohh nah that wouldn't happen because this would. Yet you all seem to agree that your beloved alien is able to withstand molten lead, or being able to survive having it's head smashed against a pillar several times, well, let me say, that is bullshit if you ask me. So please, don't tell us that he is retarded, or he is crap, just admit that he owned.

Now, back on topic, I must say that Wolf would be able to defeat the Berserker quite comfortably, I could see it now, a battle damaged wolf, with a huge skull in his hand  ;D

I'm saying hes pathetic as a predator fan more than an alien one. He did nothing to show how "elite" he was. The Writers and directors were so creatively devoid they couldn't think of any way to make him seem skilled other than by having his enemies even less skilled. Wolf essentially stumbles into extremely dangerous situations and gets out by way of the even more extreme stupidity of others and inordinate amounts of script protection.

As for the molten lead, alien have been shown to survive extreme pressures and temperatures consistently, and as for the pillars they have been shown to be able to take extreme amounts of abuse. I don't think any alien fan would have had a problem with Wolf had he killed the alien in ways that weren't in complete contrast to each species respective roots.

He was elite, once again, watch the film, and don't blame Wolf for what the directors did to him, if the film did have better directors, Wolf wouldn't be criticized as he is.

And please give me some examples in that aliens can survive as much trauma than that of molten lead, i mean come on, as a predator fan, don't tell me that you can believe that, yet have no Faith in Wolf.

Alien 3.

Quote from: cvetan on Jul 13, 2010, 08:11:22 AM

He is not, your pathetic for thinking he is.

:D

QuoteOkay, he may have been killed, he may have left behind one piece of technology but he did pretty well, considering the circumstance, he was in the middle of a human existence

Again terrible argument. "Oh well, he got a town nuked, got his ass beat and interfered with human technological advancements... but all in all I think he did a a good job!"

Quotehe managed to slay plenty of aliens, even though you Deny that they weren't, I'm pretty sure they were.

I'll take my views on what are Aliens over yours anyday.

QuoteHe managed to keep hidden mot of the time

He didn't stay hidden, he blew shit up, spammed his caster at the power-plant and pretty much tore the place to shit having a hissy fit, and went out of his way to kill many people and blow more shit up.

QuoteThink what you may of me.

I'll think that I'm glad you'll never be in charge of any A/P media.

Quote from: cvetan on Jul 13, 2010, 08:11:22 AM

He was elite, once again, watch the film, and don't blame Wolf for what the directors did to him, if the film did have better directors, Wolf wouldn't be criticized as he is.

Wolf wouldn't be criticized if he lived up to what he was supposed to be, yes. If the directors and writers actually were creative enough to make him execute skilled kills, then people would have said he was skilled. You can't just make him make extremely stupid decisions and only come out on top because his enemies are even worse. The directors can't say one thing, show something that doesn't match up to that claim and still stand that your initial claim stands true.

QuoteAnd please give me some examples in that aliens can survive as much trauma than that of molten lead, i mean come on, as a predator fan, don't tell me that you can believe that, yet have no Faith in Wolf.

Aside from Alien 3, in Alien and Aliens they are shown to be able to survive in the vacuum of space, in A:R we have it surviving extremely cold gas. The were well established to be able to survive extreme conditions.

Why do I have to disparage the alien to be a pred fan? I can accept what the alien series shows in regards to alien ability, and still like preds. I think it is possible to show an elite pred killing as many aliens as Wolf did, but AvP:R failed at that, and as such Wolf failed. I have no faith in Wolf, because his creators had no faith in them; if they did they wouldn't have dumbed down and weakened his enemies to make him fit what they wanted.

AvP:R disregards so much it is impossible to reconcile with either franchise; yet if we were to take Wolf as he was portrayed in that movie and pit him against any other pred as they were displayed int heir movie, Wolf would lose. Hard.

Hmmmm really hard to choose

i loved Wolf because he perfectly fit with my perception of how an AvP duel looks like (useless to rush on this post this is only my opinion, so don't get mad)

M.Black seems cool and badass to but something miss ( i don't know what for the moment,  maybe some skills or the unkillable monster charism maybe?)

So i would say Wolf (but without deep conviction)

I will say that if Wolf were depicted as a pred that was actually highly skilled (that is, showed prowess and skill rather than luck and stupidity and lived because he was facing even stupider enemies) enough to take out as many aliens as he did I would give him the edge.

I love how this is turning into another Requiem Bash Fest.

I think that Wolf and Pussyface are the only predators that could take Berserker.

Wolf without a doubt would win.He has age and skill on his side and Mr Black only has strength.Brains over brawn.

Quote from: AintGotTime2Bleed on Jul 13, 2010, 03:32:27 PM
I love how this is turning into another Requiem Bash Fest.

Why shouldn't it?

This thread posed the question of how the most incompetent Pred we have seen thus far would fair against any other Predator.

Mr. Black , with two stooges , failed to do what 1 Predator ( Anytime) did in the first film. Wolf , however , is garbage. So I guess Mr. Blacks endurace and durablity would aid him over his foe.

Quote from: XenoVC on Jul 13, 2010, 08:07:35 PM

Quote from: AintGotTime2Bleed on Jul 13, 2010, 03:32:27 PM
I love how this is turning into another Requiem Bash Fest.

Why shouldn't it?

This thread posed the question of how the most incompetent Pred we have seen thus far would fair against any other Predator.

Oh, I have nothing against it turning into a bash fest. No need to explain it to me, I'm just saying I love it. Those are my true sentiments.

Black would charge at Wolf. Wolf would attempt the same, before tripping and faceplanting. Angered, Wolf will start firing caster shots everywhere, until he hits a nearby object, which then falls on him. Black LOLs hard.

Yeah, Black wins.

Quote from: Sylizar on Jul 13, 2010, 09:38:35 PM
Black would charge at Wolf. Wolf would attempt the same, before tripping and faceplanting. Angered, Wolf will start firing caster shots everywhere, until he hits a nearby object, which then falls on him. Black LOLs hard.

Yeah, Black wins.

Ahaha that actually is not only funny, but true!

I try.

And oddly enough, I went back, read my post, and actually laughed. Weird.  :D I guess picturing it works best.

You also forgetting that Mr. Black got blasted back by a few grenades and still able to surrive up after getting shot in the chest. I doubt The Wolf can put him down so easily.

After mysteriously disappearing during the middle of the Movie Black returns, displaying a lack of any sort of agility. He's just a big brute, stomping through the jungle. Wolf with his agility and arsenal of weapons, would take the win.

Well i rewatch Predators yesterday and this time i have no doubt.

Wolf easily win , the "super" Preds have nothing super. They failed were Anytime succeed each "hot" year.
At the end of the movie, a single axe blow on Mr Black's  helmet make i'm reactionless for the rest of the fight and then get decapitaded.
And Facloner died with  a simple katana lacertaion on his body :o  (if he was in the Predator 1 movie he would probably get easily killed by Billly or by a raging bird)

Keep in mind he just survived a rather large explosion. I think you're also underestimating how much force is carried through each on of those ax swings. He still managed to recover and almost kill Royce.

Remember, Anytime wasn't hunting elites like Dutch's squad every time either; that was just [bad] luck. Normally he'd be hunting local militias/guerrillas.

Also, a katana wound his hardly "simple," they're quite devastating. The one on his stomach didn't do much to affect him though, and unfortunately we can't see exactly what happened on the death blow (though it looked like a deep strike to the chest). I would guess the wound would be comparable to Pussyface's disk would (the death blow; only horizontal rather than vertical).

That explosion really bothered me. Ok, I can deal with it that he survived, but there was no visible injury whatsoever. How many grenades went off in his face? His chest should have at least been bloody all over.

I agree, I was expecting some wounds on him. Its really strange that there weren't any.

Quote from: Eidotemit on Jul 14, 2010, 09:34:01 AM
Keep in mind he just survived a rather large explosion. I think you're also underestimating how much force is carried through each on of those ax swings. He still managed to recover and almost kill Royce.

Remember, Anytime wasn't hunting elites like Dutch's squad every time either; that was just [bad] luck. Normally he'd be hunting local militias/guerrillas.

Also, a katana wound his hardly "simple," they're quite devastating. The one on his stomach didn't do much to affect him though, and unfortunately we can't see exactly what happened on the death blow (though it looked like a deep strike to the chest). I would guess the wound would be comparable to Pussyface's disk would (the death blow; only horizontal rather than vertical).

Not really that was a succesion of small explosion (in this scene the nade were old MKII nade already used in 2WW) Anytime  surived from 2 40mm nade ( a single 40mm nade blow up a Armor Hummer while MKII are alomst useless against this kind of vehiculs)


Pussy Face get almost his entire disk in his chest while a katana can only make wide put not deep laceration ( katanas are far to be so deadly in reality . 99% movies involving katanas ,just super overpower them ) i personnaly own 2 (very good quality) Katanas and if you really want to hurt a Pred only perforating attacks must be used.

Fair enough, though the tampering Dutch did with the 40mm and its leafy shell likely diminished its potency some. Even still, coming out completely clean seemed strange. I'm not suggesting he should have been f**ked up, but some blood.

I own katans two (of average quality, nothing special). But Katanas are quite capable of making deep lacerations. I'm not talkign pulp Hollywood katanas, but in reality. I went back and looked at P2 though, and I the amount if the disk that went in was bigger than I though; you're right, a katana is extremely unlikely to cut that deep.

Still I stand that  katana is capable of making enough of a devastating slice to the preds chest to kill it.

Quote from: Eidotemit on Jul 14, 2010, 10:50:11 AM
Fair enough, though the tampering Dutch did with the 40mm and its leafy shell likely diminished its potency some. Even still, coming out completely clean seemed strange. I'm not suggesting he should have been f**ked up, but some blood.

I own katans two (of average quality, nothing special). But Katanas are quite capable of making deep lacerations. I'm not talkign pulp Hollywood katanas, but in reality. I went back and looked at P2 though, and I the amount if the disk that went in was bigger than I though; you're right, a katana is extremely unlikely to cut that deep.

Still I stand that  katana is capable of making enough of a devastating slice to the preds chest to kill it.

Only one of 2 40mm nades was less powerfull given the fact he put some of its powder in a leaf ( used as a flashbang to lure the Pred when in the dark tunnel)
Put the other 40mm on the tip of the spear was full power and lead Anytime's claf to bleed.
But i agree with the fact Mr Black should at least have some blood on his chest.


;D On the last point of your post  we would probably never agree

Quote from: Hellspawn28 on Jul 14, 2010, 07:37:40 AM
You also forgetting that Mr. Black got blasted back by a few grenades and still able to surrive up after getting shot in the chest. I doubt The Wolf can put him down so easily.

Yeah you definitely should have put a spoiler tag on that, and I think it is ridiculous that

Spoiler

He gets blasted at least 25 feet from those grenades and doesnt seem to have much of a scratch or burn on him.

[close]

well, let's see.

Wolf was about 9 ft.  and Black was a little over 7 ft. 

Are you joking? Over nine feet? Get the hell out of town! The Predalien itself is probably just over 8 feet (judging by the size of the doctor compared to it), and seeing as Wolf is shorter than that, the best guess is around 7'5 +/-2 inches.

On the Katana thing. A rue Katana is capable of slicing through two pigs (as shown on Deadliest Warrior), essentially meaning that it can slice a man in half if swung correctly. Now sure that'd be different on a Predator, but there's no way in hell that's minor damage.

Quote from: Requiem28 on Jul 14, 2010, 03:21:52 PM
well, let's see.

Wolf was about 9 ft.  and Black was a little over 7 ft.

Wolf wasn't close to being 9 feet. Even if we assume he was (which he wasn't) size isn't a determining factor (at least when so comparable to your opponents). We have to look at the skill displayed (note:skill displayed, not what we were told he was supposed to be).

i was just saying that.

Quote from: Eidotemit on Jul 14, 2010, 09:34:01 AM
Keep in mind he just survived a rather large explosion. I think you're also underestimating how much force is carried through each on of those ax swings. He still managed to recover and almost kill Royce.

He recovered from having a bone smacked upside his head, not the ax.

QuoteRemember, Anytime wasn't hunting elites like Dutch's squad every time either; that was just [bad] luck.

Anytime following Dutch's team says otherwise. He was picky, otherwise he would've just gone for the guerrillas before our heroes got there.

Quote from: SiL on Jul 16, 2010, 06:42:48 AM

Quote from: Eidotemit on Jul 14, 2010, 09:34:01 AM
Keep in mind he just survived a rather large explosion. I think you're also underestimating how much force is carried through each on of those ax swings. He still managed to recover and almost kill Royce.

He recovered from having a bone smacked upside his head, not the ax.

it was defiantly an ax. a bone wouldn't make sparks.

When he first got smacked, that definitely looked like a bone to me. Later he picked up the axe.

I blame quick editing plus the entire movie being out of focus (Projectionist's fault, not the movie's). I thought that was bone chipping away.

...okay, anyone care to explain why Royce didn't just go for the f**ker's neck right off?

I wondered why he always went for the damn face protected by the helmet. I would have busted that ****ers knee.

Quote from: Sylizar on Jul 14, 2010, 08:51:25 PM
On the Katana thing. A rue Katana is capable of slicing through two pigs (as shown on Deadliest Warrior), essentially meaning that it can slice a man in half if swung correctly.

That show is bullshit.  Got anything better?

Katanas could be used to fold people - that is, cutting them almost all the way through, leaving just enough to keep them intact, then literally folding them over along the cut.

The fact that the movie didn't show anything too "Super" if at all other than a pack of hunting dogs and a falcon, didn't make or show them superior to the original "dog" predators.

I thought the Preds in the first two movies were actually smarter and more of a hunter mentality.  This movie did not do a good job of showing how these supposed "Super"/"Wolf" Preds hunt other than the dog scene which did nothing for them and a quick glimpse of the falcon scanning.  Otherwise, nothing impressed me or seperated these Preds from the originals.

Quote from: SiL on Jul 16, 2010, 06:42:48 AM

Quote from: Eidotemit on Jul 14, 2010, 09:34:01 AM
Keep in mind he just survived a rather large explosion. I think you're also underestimating how much force is carried through each on of those ax swings. He still managed to recover and almost kill Royce.

He recovered from having a bone smacked upside his head, not the ax.

QuoteRemember, Anytime wasn't hunting elites like Dutch's squad every time either; that was just [bad] luck.

Anytime following Dutch's team says otherwise. He was picky, otherwise he would've just gone for the guerrillas before our heroes got there.

There couldn't have been an elite special forces squad every time he came back to that same area. He likely just hunted the skilled members of the local militia/guerrilla force. When Dutch's team came by, he still could have been picking marks (like how PF picked Harrigan out from the crowd... somehow).

Quote from: Noir-Gojira on Jul 16, 2010, 09:14:31 AM

Quote from: Sylizar on Jul 14, 2010, 08:51:25 PM
On the Katana thing. A rue Katana is capable of slicing through two pigs (as shown on Deadliest Warrior), essentially meaning that it can slice a man in half if swung correctly.

That show is bullshit.  Got anything better?

Bullshit or not, it showed a katana cutting through two pigs carcasses. There isn't much BS, they're pretty accurate human analogs.

Honestly the Preds from the first 2 movies are much better hunters.

They would hunt better.  I get that these Preds were "stronger" but they were not good hunters.

They had better technology yes, but again that's been sacraficed for hunting.

In a one on one battle in a jungle The original Pred would win because he could hunt/stalk better.

The scene where Danny Trejo was dead but saying "help" me was a big time OBVIOUS trap.  That tells me the "Super" Preds rely way too much on technology vs. a real trap.  That "trap" was too obvious and easy to recognize, Royce damn near batted an eye at it. 

So these "Super" Preds allbeit are stronger, they aren't smarter that's for dang sure.

I still don't understand why people think Pussyface was any kind of effective beyond pure martial prowess.

Because he took on a group of armed people in a close room.

Quote from: SiL on Jul 16, 2010, 09:10:55 AM

...okay, anyone care to explain why Royce didn't just go for the f**ker's neck right off?

maybe he likes toying with his victims first?

Quote from: MadassAlex on Jul 16, 2010, 02:17:19 PM
I still don't understand why people think Pussyface was any kind of effective beyond pure martial prowess.

because many consider the trophy collection pussyface's collection which that is still debated, plus if you even considered watching predator 2 since you hate it, you would see that he took out the prey in small confined spaces so it was easy for him too kill the prey. The train scene and the slaughter house incident, is clearly a predator aware of how the humans technolegy is used, destroys the electric on the train so no eye witness accounts can describe the predator, simuler to how a ninja would do things, by working in shadows by killing them blind sided, it is a smart move no mater who the prey is. And the slaughter house incident changing his vision so he clearly sensed something was up.

wolf was a badass, we will never know since the direction of this movie gave PPl no chance to see if the classic predator would beat wolf in a fight.

And after going to those lengths to be sneaky, Pussyface often spent a lot of time standing in the open. That's dumb, even while cloaked.

His pure combat skill is all he's got going for him.

Quote from: MadassAlex on Jul 16, 2010, 04:56:03 PM
And after going to those lengths to be sneaky, Pussyface often spent a lot of time standing in the open. That's dumb, even while cloaked.

His pure combat skill is all he's got going for him.

It is a city, you also after consider the prey? now I am not being funny, how can anyone expect any predator to be sneaky all the time when the prey is there for the taken especially in tight spaces, and it was a effective move. The feds is the only reason why pussyface was a fallen predator, and the feds like I said had no intention killing him which I sense he knew that, he sees their weapons looks at his hands, what they were using to search the predator and said bingo, they are basically armless, so he goes in leather and tongs against armless prey, add their body suits were so in-mobile, pussyface was causing so much chaos and making them panic, he can kill them quiet fast, especially behind those masks. Pussyface's only mistake was not killing harrigan when he had the chance when harrigan was on the floor in their final fight, other than that the timing of his injury's harrigan got into lucky situations. Pussyface seemed more like a young ninja trapping its prey and working in shadows, by quickly taking out the prey, the train incident, the apartment scene, the death of king willie, and slaughter house scenes shows that.

has for wolf, the stick wolf gets baffles me, he owned this movie, his inventive of skills weapons his ability to track the prey, and wolfs first 10 minute period is the best 10 minutes of any predator, even higher than anytime's owning dutch. So my money hard to know if wolf would win, but, with wolf fresh firing on all cylinders, and his death toll of aliens. I would put my cash on wolf since he is established has an elite predator no matter what PPl say.

is this about Wolf or Pussyface?

Quote from: Requiem28 on Jul 16, 2010, 05:20:55 PM
is this about Wolf or Pussyface?

well some brought up wolf pussyface so it is a bit of both, add others will bring up anytime or celtic or scar its a veriaty really, many fans would have loved to know? how would mr black have coped with a normal predator ready and not in a weak state has classic was which the director got so badly wrong, classic should never have been tied up in the first place

Quote from: Requiem28 on Jul 16, 2010, 05:20:55 PM
is this about Wolf or Pussyface?

Topic is about Wolf, but discussion eventually evolved into Pussyface.

Quote from: OmegaZilla on Jul 16, 2010, 05:35:20 PM

Quote from: Requiem28 on Jul 16, 2010, 05:20:55 PM
is this about Wolf or Pussyface?

Topic is about Wolf, but discussion eventually evolved into Pussyface.

yea it did about the 4th post. I do like to defend the likes of wolf and pussyface who do get way too much stick on the forum, all predators one way or another fail, if anytime and a phew other predators won in their movie's, and pussyface and wolf failed on their's I feel yes give them some stick, but one way or another all predators do fail in the movie plot.

I wish for once the predators did win the battle like mr black and co too make it fresh because I do get annoyed the villians always lose. It is not hitler and the nazi's what harm would it do if the predators or some villians won in their movie, it is not all of a sudden the movie world would come to an end. I feel it would bring a new dimension to movie's in general if say 4 or 5 times out of 10 the badguy wins.

I think of all the movie predators, wolf and Anytime are my favorites. In a fight between wolf and black I really couldn't say who would win, just that it would be entertaining. As far as pussy face goes, he's my least favorite, I mean, he attacked a train full of people. How can you cover that up? At least Wolf could say that he suffered from a bunch of unfortunate events (radiation messing up his vision, really smart predalien, dumb humans, directors who wanted to make the movie as bloody as humanly possible). I guess what I'm getting at is I like the idea and the build up of the wolf, but I think the situation was to big for just him and like all the predators (except scar, dark, and the prince, pretty much all the video game predators) his pride was his downfall, kinda like Quint from jaws. Now that my defense of him is done, Mr. Black is a good foil to all the other predators, he's a cold blooded bad blood, he would probably win by cheating, still would be a good match up. Now earlier someone called wolf the worst predator of all, and before I go further i agree he screwed up a lot, but I don't feel that warrents him title of the worst. Both Cletic and Chopper were beaten by the same allien, Wolf beat a bunch of aliens without using a plasma caster or net gun. Granted he had the whip and treated weapons, but Celtic was kind of and idiot for leaving his spear in a dead guy, and should have been watching choppers back better, so he is my vote for worst predator. Actually I take that back the predator who blew his own ship up at the begining of AVPR is the worst, it should be pretty self explanitory why that is.

Quote from: Brian the Wolf on Jul 17, 2010, 09:56:47 PM
I think of all the movie predators, wolf and Anytime are my favorites. In a fight between wolf and black I really couldn't say who would win, just that it would be entertaining. As far as pussy face goes, he's my least favorite, I mean, he attacked a train full of people. How can you cover that up? At least Wolf could say that he suffered from a bunch of unfortunate events (radiation messing up his vision, really smart predalien, dumb humans, directors who wanted to make the movie as bloody as humanly possible). I guess what I'm getting at is I like the idea and the build up of the wolf, but I think the situation was to big for just him and like all the predators (except scar, dark, and the prince, pretty much all the video game predators) his pride was his downfall, kinda like Quint from jaws. Now that my defense of him is done, Mr. Black is a good foil to all the other predators, he's a cold blooded bad blood, he would probably win by cheating, still would be a good match up. Now earlier someone called wolf the worst predator of all, and before I go further i agree he screwed up a lot, but I don't feel that warrents him title of the worst. Both Cletic and Chopper were beaten by the same allien, Wolf beat a bunch of aliens without using a plasma caster or net gun. Granted he had the whip and treated weapons, but Celtic was kind of and idiot for leaving his spear in a dead guy, and should have been watching choppers back better, so he is my vote for worst predator. Actually I take that back the predator who blew his own ship up at the begining of AVPR is the worst, it should be pretty self explanitory why that is.

I do not want to go off the subject but thel debate on pussyface has been covered that we getting more info it was his trophy collection. The train scene is smart move from pussyface. I tell you this how do bank robbers rob a bank and their identity is not seen, they make sure no one knows what they look like, by masking themselves, pussyface destroyed the lights on the train so no one could see what he looked like, so when the PPL who did escaped, they would feel it was a human who did that its smart stragedy. They were hit blind sided in pitch black conditions, like how batman does things he would cut the lights and take out his enemys, sometimes take out his enemys almost blind side, it was a typical move of how a ninja does things.

This stragedy was used by all the trained predators, anytime used it in the jungle, wolf must have used this countless times, pussyface when facing a large amount of easy prey who will run like sheep, hit them blind sided wipe out their vision and they are has lost has sheep. if some predators are going to attack allot of PPL make sure no one knows what you look like and pussyface used this too perfection, because the cloak sometimes is not enough. And we learned mr black never did this enough, he was on the ground too much, when the one skill they all use allot is, never stay on the ground keep moving.

makes sense never though about it that way, I was always to busy waiting for him to say "want some candy?' ah so badass, but ya I guess I give him a lot of grief just because the movie was really disappointing to me, it wasn't even the story, it was the camera work, at some points you would have great shot's, but at other times the camera work would take me out of the movie, examples being when he leaves Danny's necklace for Harrigan and that spastic switch between Harigan and his pov and the first closeup of pussyface on the ground. I think it made him look really fake, which never happened for me at least in any of the other movies. Anyway ya thank for the explanation.

Quote from: Brian the Wolf on Jul 17, 2010, 10:29:48 PM
makes sense never though about it that way, I was always to busy waiting for him to say "want some candy?' ah so badass, but ya I guess I give him a lot of grief just because the movie was really disappointing to me, it wasn't even the story, it was the camera work, at some points you would have great shot's, but at other times the camera work would take me out of the movie, examples being when he leaves Danny's necklace for Harrigan and that spastic switch between Harigan and his pov and the first closeup of pussyface on the ground. I think it made him look really fake, which never happened for me at least in any of the other movies. Anyway ya thank for the explanation.

the necklass we could say mind games too spook harrigain, same has how anytime would play with the commando's has a way if creating fear for the enemy, we saw this strategy used in concrete jungle with scarface, scarface toying with the empire who had messed with scars race has he slowly broke them inside and out almost like a cancer. We also saw this in predators, Mr black and co set a trap after they killed one of them, Mr black and co wanted them to rescue him when realised it was a trap and he was dead and you hear the evil laugh and they move fast, obvious it was a fear strategy used by the predators.

Yea some hated P2 some liked it, I loved it for the mythology we got with the predators, and the trophy collection seeing these predators who have been 2 so many worlds opened up our eyes to new horizons.

But that dannyboi line when he killed Danny was a badass line which I loved. But the camera work is almost putting the audience in the shoes of the victims, you see pussyface causing chaos, it is not gonna be a pretty site. He was a young predator who achieved so much has we see with his trophy collection which the directors seem to confirm that is pussyface's entire trophy collection, and his potential was an exciting one.

has for Mr black, his lack of new skills required was there too see, and being a badblood for so long was his undoing. We look at the top 3 predators in all the movies we have seen.

Jungle hunter aka anytime over here

City Hunter aka pussyface dannyboi

Wolf

what they all have is? a highly trained combat skills, and especially areal skills, they are never on the ground too long, the comado team hardly got a chance to shoot anytime and he was always watching them, the feds when trying to capture pussyface, they could not see him and all of a sudden he jumps down and inside a minute they all almost all dead. That is how all 3 predators do allot of their killing, killing the prey when they least suspect it from above, Mr black and co did at times but their lack of areal skills was a big letdown esp if they are dealing with dangerous humans.

Wolf would mess up Mr. Black

Now that I have seen the film I would definitely say Mr.Black takes the cake (or the trophy?). At least he's got some fighting skills. Good ones by the way.

mr black would get owned the weekend predator did alright against him what do u think Wolf would do to a bad blood predator at full strength?

Classic Predator =/= Wolf. Wolf didn't show any good fighting skills. He just shot around.

wouldnt u shoot around with dual casters?

Yes. But what I am saying is that in close combat he didn't demonstrate much, as opposed to the classic Predators (P1/P2/Ps) and AvP Predators.

he picked up 2 aliens by the throat with his bare hands

But couldn't do anything else from that position. He didn't throw them around like Celtic for one.
No wait, he wanted to shoot them point blank.

ya look where that got celtic.

Celtic only lose because of his arrogance as all Predators did - but it can't be neglected that he put up a good fight.

i agree when he threw that alien across the room and roared that was bad ass im just saying wolf was experienced and would have wrapped black up with his wip and double blasted him then take a shit in blacks big ass mouth haha

Let's also consider that Mr. Black ain't like AvPR Aliens... he actually moves ya know... ;D

wolf can pick off running blond chick from a distance with the shuriken lol

For a case. He didn't aim at her.

ya ya i know but still was funny when it happened. i like avp-r besides the acting. for example when the sherif says that guy was skinned alive....... im pretty sure that mofo was dead before he was skinned. but i was a fan of wolf just kicking aliens ass but thats just cuz im a predator fan. I dont wanna start a huge argument with the alien fans out there.

One thing that always pissed me off. Why the hell would that stupid poor excuse for a predator skin, then hang a random person up in a tree WHEN HES GOING THERE TO GET RID OF FREAKING EVIDENCE. HE IS NOT HUNTING! WHY TAKE OFF YOUR ARMOR + WEAPONS TO FIGHT AN ABOMINATION THAT NEEDS TO BE WIPED OUT??? Strause Bros. Shoot yourselves please.. I like to think of Wolf as being different, so i can actually like him, and feel good buying merchandise of him.. But in AvP:R, he lacked everything. He was a complete idiot, Thanks to the Strause Hoes..

Quote from: Lar'ja Thwei on Jul 18, 2010, 02:52:10 PM
One thing that always pissed me off. Why the hell would that stupid poor excuse for a predator skin, then hang a random person up in a tree WHEN HES GOING THERE TO GET RID OF FREAKING EVIDENCE. HE IS NOT HUNTING! WHY TAKE OFF YOUR ARMOR + WEAPONS TO FIGHT AN ABOMINATION THAT NEEDS TO BE WIPED OUT??? Strause Bros. Shoot yourselves please.. I like to think of Wolf as being different, so i can actually like him, and feel good buying merchandise of him.. But in AvP:R, he lacked everything. He was a complete idiot, Thanks to the Strause Hoes..

and we can thank RR and co for making all the predators well underused, dont forget RR is the same guy who did spy kids despite his sucess of films like sin city. And despite how poorly shot AVPR is, atleast they got the predator himself wolf right who was far more entertaining than the predators themselves in predators

Quote from: Lar'ja Thwei on Jul 18, 2010, 02:52:10 PM
One thing that always pissed me off. Why the hell would that stupid poor excuse for a predator skin, then hang a random person up in a tree WHEN HES GOING THERE TO GET RID OF FREAKING EVIDENCE. HE IS NOT HUNTING! WHY TAKE OFF YOUR ARMOR + WEAPONS TO FIGHT AN ABOMINATION THAT NEEDS TO BE WIPED OUT??? Strause Bros. Shoot yourselves please.. I like to think of Wolf as being different, so i can actually like him, and feel good buying merchandise of him.. But in AvP:R, he lacked everything. He was a complete idiot, Thanks to the Strause Hoes..

Oh, because AvP:R is a movie that wasn't thought out in the least. The inconsistencies with the core franchises are such that they can't really be reconciled.

Quote from: CityHunter666 on Jul 18, 2010, 02:56:27 PM
and we can thank RR and co for making all the predators well underused, dont forget RR is the same guy who did spy kids despite his sucess of films like sin city. And despite how poorly shot AVPR is, atleast they got the predator himself wolf right who was far more entertaining than the predators themselves in predators

What does that have to do with what he said?

..and what does Spy Kids have to do with anything?

PS: AvP:R failed on the predator to. Just fumbling in and out of trouble killing this ≠ hunting prowess.

Quote from: Eidotemit on Jul 18, 2010, 03:02:24 PM

Quote from: Lar'ja Thwei on Jul 18, 2010, 02:52:10 PM
One thing that always pissed me off. Why the hell would that stupid poor excuse for a predator skin, then hang a random person up in a tree WHEN HES GOING THERE TO GET RID OF FREAKING EVIDENCE. HE IS NOT HUNTING! WHY TAKE OFF YOUR ARMOR + WEAPONS TO FIGHT AN ABOMINATION THAT NEEDS TO BE WIPED OUT??? Strause Bros. Shoot yourselves please.. I like to think of Wolf as being different, so i can actually like him, and feel good buying merchandise of him.. But in AvP:R, he lacked everything. He was a complete idiot, Thanks to the Strause Hoes..

Oh, because AvP:R is a movie that wasn't thought out in the least. The inconsistencies with the core franchises are such that they can't really be reconciled.

Quote from: CityHunter666 on Jul 18, 2010, 02:56:27 PM
and we can thank RR and co for making all the predators well underused, dont forget RR is the same guy who did spy kids despite his sucess of films like sin city. And despite how poorly shot AVPR is, atleast they got the predator himself wolf right who was far more entertaining than the predators themselves in predators

What does that have to do with what he said?

..and what does Spy Kids have to do with anything?

PS: AvP:R failed on the predator to. Just fumbling in and out of trouble killing this ≠ hunting prowess.

well if you read my post I responded too, he thought wolf sucked and wolf was the best thing about AVPR, like I said before AVPR's only saving grace was wolf. He was a badass, they used wolf brilliantly the rest of the movie was poor. aliens are not easy too kill, he still killed a hell of allot of them but they just kept on coming in numbers, wolf was a badass and a reason why he is the best at what he does

Listen, The whole movie was trash. Wolf didn't save shit. The only good thing that came out of the movie was wolf's design IMO. I liked the idea of an elite pred wiping out a ton of Xenomorphs. But they completely ruined that idea. They gave Wolf no skill, no brain. And the aliens were even more stupid.. Remember when wolf punches a whole through the roof of the sewer coming out onto the street? LOL!!!!! It reminded me of some japanese monster horror movie..jesus.. "Rawr the monsterz on the streetz rawr.."

Quote from: Lar'ja Thwei on Jul 18, 2010, 03:25:34 PM
Listen, The whole movie was trash. Wolf didn't save shit. The only good thing that came out of the movie was wolf's design IMO.

You mean the design of the almighty Octopus Man? :P

Quote from: OmegaZilla on Jul 18, 2010, 03:27:18 PM

Quote from: Lar'ja Thwei on Jul 18, 2010, 03:25:34 PM
Listen, The whole movie was trash. Wolf didn't save shit. The only good thing that came out of the movie was wolf's design IMO.

You mean the design of the almighty Octopus Man? :P

Huh? Is that about his long mandibles? I actually liked it. But on Scar it looked like SHIT. I love the blackened crest, the skin coloring. His design just worked for me.

Quote from: Lar'ja Thwei on Jul 18, 2010, 03:25:34 PM
Listen, The whole movie was trash. Wolf didn't save shit. The only good thing that came out of the movie was wolf's design IMO. I liked the idea of an elite pred wiping out a ton of Xenomorphs. But they completely ruined that idea. They gave Wolf no skill, no brain. And the aliens were even more stupid.. Remember when wolf punches a whole through the roof of the sewer coming out onto the street? LOL!!!!! It reminded me of some japanese monster horror movie..jesus.. "Rawr the monsterz on the streetz rawr.."

when he grabbed 2 predators by the throat with his bear hands and blew their heads off was pretty sweet. at the start when he was in the sewer, he put all sorts of weapons so when they attack they would be cut pieces was a smart move so they could not escape, how he grabbed one of them in the sewer and blew his head off, some of his skills and showing how superior he was too not only to the aliens, but how smarter he was than those lame predators in AVP1. The only thing I hated was why did he unmask I will give you that.

Quote from: Lar'ja Thwei on Jul 18, 2010, 03:30:55 PM
Huh? Is that about his long mandibles?

Yeah... and the membrane linking them too.
Bow down to the almighty Wolfctopus, now.
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Quote from: OmegaZilla on Jul 18, 2010, 03:35:57 PM

Quote from: Lar'ja Thwei on Jul 18, 2010, 03:30:55 PM
Huh? Is that about his long mandibles?

Yeah... and the membrane linking them too.
Bow down to the almighty Wolfctopus, now.
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Lol, nice.

Quote from: CityHunter666 on Jul 18, 2010, 03:32:46 PM

Quote from: Lar'ja Thwei on Jul 18, 2010, 03:25:34 PM
Listen, The whole movie was trash. Wolf didn't save shit. The only good thing that came out of the movie was wolf's design IMO. I liked the idea of an elite pred wiping out a ton of Xenomorphs. But they completely ruined that idea. They gave Wolf no skill, no brain. And the aliens were even more stupid.. Remember when wolf punches a whole through the roof of the sewer coming out onto the street? LOL!!!!! It reminded me of some japanese monster horror movie..jesus.. "Rawr the monsterz on the streetz rawr.."

when he grabbed 2 predators by the throat with his bear hands and blew their heads off was pretty sweet. at the start when he was in the sewer, he put all sorts of weapons so when they attack they would be cut pieces was a smart move so they could not escape, how he grabbed one of them in the sewer and blew his head off, some of his skills and showing how superior he was too not only to the aliens, but how smarter he was than those lame predators in AVP1. The only thing I hated was why did he unmask I will give you that.

All that showed was a complete lack of knowledge or respect for the core franchises on the part of the directors. Its stupid for a predator (a hunter) to walk into the proverbial lions den, then for a predator to be able to grab to aliens by the neck like that (given that the aliens could easily tear him apart while he is holding them; claws, strike teeth, tail, acid spit...), then to shoot them with no worry about acid blood (which should have left him servery injured if not dead). The only way Wolf was shown to be elite was by making everything else weaker and stupider. I have no problem with an elite pred, or an elite pred that kills as many aliens as Wolf; thats not what AvP-R gave though. AvP-R was creatively devoid and apparently ignorant of the source material, as Wolf showed no prowess as a hunter, and the aliens showed... so little you might mistake them for patients at a heroin rehab clinic.

QuoteAll that showed was a complete lack of knowledge or respect for the core franchises on the part of the directors. Its stupid for a predator (a hunter) to walk into the proverbial lions den, then for a predator to be able to grab to aliens by the neck like that (given that the aliens could easily tear him apart while he is holding them; claws, strike teeth, tail, acid spit...), then to shoot them with no worry about acid blood (which should have left him servery injured if not dead). The only way Wolf was shown to be elite was by making everything else weaker and stupider. I have no problem with an elite pred, or an elite pred that kills as many aliens as Wolf; thats not what AvP-R gave though. AvP-R was creatively devoid and apparently ignorant of the source material, as Wolf showed no prowess as a hunter, and the aliens showed... so little you might mistake them for patients at a heroin rehab clinic.

Whilst I agree with the majority of this, I must say that the velocity and temperature of the plasma ball that he fired at the aliens' head in the sewer system would have caused the acid blood (and head remnants) to either 1) boil away, thus rendering them unharmful (is that a word???) or 2) sending the acid not back at the predator, but in the same direction as the plasma bolt was fired, thus making them fly AWAY from him and not causing any damage.

Also, the hunter walked into the lions' den because that was his job,: to eradicate the lions. He wasn't trying to get a trophy, he wasn't attempting to bring honour to his name: he was there for the sole purpose of eradicating them. And if you want to eradicate something, you don't kill/eliminate single parts of the group, you strike at the heart of the group (or hive that they started in the sewer). But yeah, I agree that the Strause Brothers didnt think things through very well.

If you want to eradicate something you certainly won't take out your armor before fighting it just for the cool side of it.

Quote from: AintGotTime2Bleed on Jul 18, 2010, 05:01:23 PM

QuoteAll that showed was a complete lack of knowledge or respect for the core franchises on the part of the directors. Its stupid for a predator (a hunter) to walk into the proverbial lions den, then for a predator to be able to grab to aliens by the neck like that (given that the aliens could easily tear him apart while he is holding them; claws, strike teeth, tail, acid spit...), then to shoot them with no worry about acid blood (which should have left him servery injured if not dead). The only way Wolf was shown to be elite was by making everything else weaker and stupider. I have no problem with an elite pred, or an elite pred that kills as many aliens as Wolf; thats not what AvP-R gave though. AvP-R was creatively devoid and apparently ignorant of the source material, as Wolf showed no prowess as a hunter, and the aliens showed... so little you might mistake them for patients at a heroin rehab clinic.

Whilst I agree with the majority of this, I must say that the velocity and temperature of the plasma ball that he fired at the aliens' head in the sewer system would have caused the acid blood (and head remnants) to either 1) boil away, thus rendering them unharmful (is that a word???) or 2) sending the acid not back at the predator, but in the same direction as the plasma bolt was fired, thus making them fly AWAY from him and not causing any damage.

Also, the hunter walked into the lions' den because that was his job,: to eradicate the lions. He wasn't trying to get a trophy, he wasn't attempting to bring honour to his name: he was there for the sole purpose of eradicating them. And if you want to eradicate something, you don't kill/eliminate single parts of the group, you strike at the heart of the group (or hive that they started in the sewer). But yeah, I agree that the Strause Brothers didnt think things through very well.

1 000 000 °C,  if i remember well.

Quote from: OmegaZilla on Jul 18, 2010, 05:04:13 PM
If you want to eradicate something you certainly won't take out your armor before fighting it just for the cool side of it.

As I said, his plan was probably the correct way to do it, just his execution was shit. and stupid.

Quote1 000 000 °C,  if i remember well.

At least

He executes plans stupidly and he doesn't demonstrate much combat skills...
and people ask me why I say Mr. Black would win.

Quote from: AintGotTime2Bleed on Jul 18, 2010, 05:12:43 PM

Quote from: OmegaZilla on Jul 18, 2010, 05:04:13 PM
If you want to eradicate something you certainly won't take out your armor before fighting it just for the cool side of it.

As I said, his plan was probably the correct way to do it, just his execution was shit. and stupid.

Quote1 000 000 °C,  if i remember well.

At least

Yup

Quote from: OmegaZilla on Jul 18, 2010, 05:14:56 PM
He executes plans stupidly and he doesn't demonstrate much combat skills...
and people ask me why I say Mr. Black would win.

na I would go with wolf because he is of a advanced predator, and mr black does seem too lack way too many skills of a clan member and if he takes on some experienced predator I would fear for him.

Okey, he's advanced. But he still executes plans stupidly. He still hasn't true combat skills.
All opposed to Mr. Black.

Mr. Black definitely wins. Agree with OmegaZilla.

Quote from: OmegaZilla on Jul 18, 2010, 05:21:14 PM
Okey, he's advanced. But he still executes plans stupidly. He still hasn't true combat skills.
All opposed to Mr. Black.

I thought mr black did not have the true combat skills. On the ground too much for my liking and he was never on the move allot, the directors also never showed enough brains, but still wolf with the experience he has I would not put my money on mr black though.

Wolf hasn't got any kind of experience. He just spammed the plasma caster, go figure.
Mr. Black on the other hand has strenght and combat skills on his side.

And Mr. Black is smarter. Just look at the traps he set to judge the abilities of its prey. Wolf was better equipped too, and for some reason Mr. Black is the favourite in most people.

Quote from: OmegaZilla on Jul 18, 2010, 05:43:35 PM
Wolf hasn't got any kind of experience. He just spammed the plasma caster, go figure.
Mr. Black on the other hand has strenght and combat skills on his side.

he has, he is a veteran predator who has experienced loads of battles, he has one damaged mandible tusk or tooth of his upper left jaw, and and he is blind in one eye, so really he is going into battle with one good eye. His battles have sign Either on the mask or shown on his face has a sign of how experienced he is.

He is a veteran Predator.... but what he does in the movie implies different things. The fact that he has an acid burn doesn't mean anything.

Quote from: OmegaZilla on Jul 18, 2010, 05:55:52 PM
He is a veteran Predator.... but what he does in the movie implies different things. The fact that he has an acid burn doesn't mean anything.

the movie was just a mess from start to finish, how it is shot at night is clearly the sign of why these directors are not capable of directing a movie. But it has been stated and proved he is the ultimate veterane hunter, who at full strength would beat mr black in my view, esp that mr black is a badblood for so long. While wolf has required loads of new skills that mr black has never been trained right or for.

I will say that if we take Wolf as he is supposed to be then he would likely win, but as portrayed in the movie (ie: how he was shown hunting), he loses; hard.

Quote from: CityHunter666 on Jul 18, 2010, 06:00:24 PM
But it has been stated and proved he is the ultimate veterane hunter

What has been stated means as much as my nosehair. What is portrayed onscreen counts. Wolf was portrayed as a retarded in the film, he is a retarded, end of the story.

Quote from: OmegaZilla on Jul 18, 2010, 06:04:03 PM

Quote from: CityHunter666 on Jul 18, 2010, 06:00:24 PM
But it has been stated and proved he is the ultimate veterane hunter

What has been stated means as much as my nosehair. What is portrayed onscreen counts. Wolf was portrayed as a retarded in the film, he is a retarded, end of the story.

yea and on screen the mask of wolfs shows many signs of his past. I just cannot see a badblood beating a veteran predator of many hunts.

Aside from the AvP-R portrayal of Wolf, keep in mind that the "supers" hunt the classic preds. That means Black has experience hunting other predators, while Wolf likely would not.

Quote from: Eidotemit on Jul 18, 2010, 06:13:34 PM
Aside from the AvP-R portrayal of Wolf, keep in mind that the "supers" hunt the classic preds. That means Black has experience hunting other predators, while Wolf likely would not.

when predators climb to the top its an ugly life, they will fight each other sometimes it is one of the hardest races, they can be horrible to each other so one way or another they have experienced times when they have beat the shit out of each other. Take elder predators, they would have made countless mistakes, they have probably been fighting tough brutal predators even killed a phew of their own. They are trained in all types of adversary, and these predators probably killed the classic ones, I see the classic ones have killed these new predators.

Plausible, but SPs likely still have more experience hunting other preds, since they actively seek it out and practice it.

Its a shame the wolf was portrayed so badly, his design is my favorite of all the predators. If the pred in the new game that looked like him didn't die, then he would be my favorite. Actually I like the coper coloring from the game on the mask in the game better too, and the dual wrist blades are awesome. So new favorite predator, the one porrayed in the game as being a completely compentant and awesome looking pred elite who bows to Dark after his hunt at the end of the game who survies to have many more hunts later. He would have a good fight with Mr. Black. If only......

I think wolf is cool and all but mr.Black honestly because he's bigger, stronger, genetically inhanced, and

Spoiler

killed the classic predator in predators

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. I like wolf all badass he is but i have to say mr black can kill a predalien easily unlike wolf.

Quote from: JP9667 on Jul 19, 2010, 07:08:33 PM
I think wolf is cool and all but mr.Black honestly because he's bigger, stronger, genetically inhanced, and

Spoiler

killed the classic predator in predators

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. I like wolf all badass he is but i have to say mr black can kill a predalien easily unlike wolf.

classic was too weak, the fight was an unfair fight between classic and mr black

You people are so strange. If you don't agree with something in the film, or the film goes against what you think, it's automatically "unfair" or someone was randomly hindered in a fight. The super predator at the end of Predators won the fight fair and square. Wolf killed a shitload of aliens. Wolf was also better armed. However, the Super Predator is larger and (as was shown in the fight) stronger than a classic. Decide whatever you want, but PLEASE stop making up excuses as to why the thing you were rooting for lost.

Wolf was shown to have tremendous strength, and according to xenopedia is almost as tall as mr. black, if they went with just wrist blades it would be close, but mr.black would win. But mr. black showed no quams about just breaking the plasma caster out and shooting, so he still wins. Unless Wolf decided he didnt care any more and whipped out dual plasma caster for an epic shoot out, then its anybody's game.

Quote from: AintGotTime2Bleed on Jul 19, 2010, 07:48:20 PM
You people are so strange. If you don't agree with something in the film, or the film goes against what you think, it's automatically "unfair" or someone was randomly hindered in a fight. The super predator at the end of Predators won the fight fair and square. Wolf killed a shitload of aliens. Wolf was also better armed. However, the Super Predator is larger and (as was shown in the fight) stronger than a classic. Decide whatever you want, but PLEASE stop making up excuses as to why the thing you were rooting for lost.

Please look at your avatar before saying the fight was fair.. Classic had been strung up for a while, probly beaten..no food, water.. Does that mean i think he would've automatically won over Mr. Black if he hadn't been? No. I still think Mr. Black would have won. These Berzerker Preds hunt Classic Preds, so ehh.. That gives them some advantage. Not to mention their size, and strength.

Quote from: Brian the Wolf on Jul 19, 2010, 08:19:10 PM
Wolf was shown to have tremendous strength, and according to xenopedia is almost as tall as mr. black, if they went with just wrist blades it would be close, but mr.black would win. But mr. black showed no quams about just breaking the plasma caster out and shooting, so he still wins. Unless Wolf decided he didnt care any more and whipped out dual plasma caster for an epic shoot out, then its anybody's game.

size and strength has nowt to do with mr black would win, its about talent, experience has a fighter, mr black clearly has not got the areal skills or the experience to beat wolf, lets not forget he did not scan his area, he did not even look behind him when isabella was able again. Now a intelliegent and smart predator would cover their backs, esp when he has one prey down, have a quick look around. Someone like wolf clearly made sure he had his back covered, and he would not let anyone with a pulse be left alive that is behind him. We saw anytime and pussyface always making sure they have all area's covered, because they have been trained that way, mr black has not making him a very clumsey predator.

QuotePlease look at your avatar before saying the fight was fair.. Classic had been strung up for a while, probly beaten..no food, water.. Does that mean i think he would've automatically won over Mr. Black if he hadn't been? No. I still think Mr. Black would have won. These Berzerker Preds hunt Classic Preds, so ehh.. That gives them some advantage. Not to mention their size, and strength.

Didn't seem to, in any way, affect his fighting ability.

Like i said wolf is my favorite but, black just seem more powerfyl in a straight up fight, i wasnt talking about hunting each other.

Quote from: Brian the Wolf on Jul 19, 2010, 09:30:09 PM
Like i said wolf is my favorite but, black just seem more powerfyl in a straight up fight, i wasnt talking about hunting each other.

you got too look at the overall package of both predators is not about strength its about brains and how to use your talents has a predator, strength, weapons, ability, rank has a predator, experience and who he has fought. Wolf is the more Superior predator he ticks all these box's,

wolf strength wise - I think he is stronger than Mr black, not only how stronger he is to mr black? the technique he uses shows he is schooled on another level too Mr black ever was, who mr black is a brawler more than the more complete fighter.

weapons - wolf's arsenal is sensational, the last predator too have this amount of weapons was pussyface and we have seen how deadly a predator is with this amount of weapons, has pussyface showed put veteran of the age of wolf its a deadly combination.

ability - wolf again the ranking he is has a predator, what he has learned only makes me more convinced wolf would take down Mr black at full strength. God knows what skills wolf has learned throughout his years climbing the ladder has the utimate predator

ranking has a predator and experience - this is a huge reason why wolf I would put my money on, now in bad situations wolf would be called upon to do the job. His intelligence in situations like taking out bad bloods is a key factor past battles proves this, add the fact he owns his own verity of arsenal because of where he is has a hunter makes him the complete predator.

Too bad that he doesn't show "skills" in the movie he is in as opposed to Black.

Black showed skill? Wasn't he just hulking around shooting and hitting stuff?

I think Mr. Black would definitely win against a fight against wolf. I think wolf is badass 8) but you need more badass 8) to defeat Mr. Black. In conclusion Mr. Black=  8) 8) 8)

According to what? Judging by what has been shown on film, I agree with whoever said that even Scar would beat him.

Quote from: AintGotTime2Bleed on Jul 19, 2010, 09:03:51 PM

QuotePlease look at your avatar before saying the fight was fair.. Classic had been strung up for a while, probly beaten..no food, water.. Does that mean i think he would've automatically won over Mr. Black if he hadn't been? No. I still think Mr. Black would have won. These Berzerker Preds hunt Classic Preds, so ehh.. That gives them some advantage. Not to mention their size, and strength.

Didn't seem to, in any way, affect his fighting ability.

You wouldn't know his true fighting skills since he had been chained up for a while without being fed, or given water, and had probably been beaten. He could have acted faster, had more strength..etc.

QuoteYou wouldn't know his true fighting skills since he had been chained up for a while without being fed, or given water, and had probably been beaten. He could have acted faster, had more strength..etc.

You don't know he wasn't fed and you also don't know he wasn't given water. He COULD have been tied up for only a few hours, making the lack of both of those irrelevant.  Seeing as we're playing that game, I can say that Mr. Black was tired because he'd been running and killing all day. Oh boy, did his feet ache. Come on, lets not get into hypotheticals. The guy managed to run full speed at him and stay in an evenly contested wrestling match with a clearly larger opponent. He also managed to be extremely stealthy. You don't do those things well if you're starving and thirsty and beaten. Sure, he's probably seen better times, but given the fact that he got bested to be up on the pole in the first place (I'm assuming he didn't go "Oh, this looks like a nice place to chain myself up"), Mr. Black or whatever is clearly superior no matter what state the guy is in.

If there's anything Black might be superior in, it's raw strength. That's pretty much it that the Movie showed. And he beat on an opponent that was chained up on a totem before and didn't even have proper working equipment. If the should cannon would've worked, he would've probably killed Black, once he lost sight of him.

Quote from: Dusk on Jul 19, 2010, 10:57:14 PM
If there's anything Black might be superior in, it's raw strength. That's pretty much it that the Movie showed. And he beat on an opponent that was chained up on a totem before and didn't even have proper working equipment. If the should cannon would've worked, he would've probably killed Black, once he lost sight of him.

The movie showed Mr. Black running extremely fast through the camp while Nikolai was shooting a minigun at him. Judging by how quickly he moved across the screen, I can say that he was either equal to or faster than the original predator (judging from when it ran at Dillon). So it didn't JUST show raw strength, it showed speed as well. And another question: wasn't Blacks' shoulder cannon working? Did he fire it at the tied up guy? That is an honest question, because if he didn't then I could say the same about Mr. Black.

Quote from: AintGotTime2Bleed on Jul 19, 2010, 10:51:10 PM

QuoteYou wouldn't know his true fighting skills since he had been chained up for a while without being fed, or given water, and had probably been beaten. He could have acted faster, had more strength..etc.

You don't know he wasn't fed and you also don't know he wasn't given water. He COULD have been tied up for only a few hours, making the lack of both of those irrelevant.  Seeing as we're playing that game, I can say that Mr. Black was tired because he'd been running and killing all day. Oh boy, did his feet ache. Come on, lets not get into hypotheticals. The guy managed to run full speed at him and stay in an evenly contested wrestling match with a clearly larger opponent. He also managed to be extremely stealthy. You don't do those things well if you're starving and thirsty and beaten. Sure, he's probably seen better times, but given the fact that he got bested to be up on the pole in the first place (I'm assuming he didn't go "Oh, this looks like a nice place to chain myself up"), Mr. Black or whatever is clearly superior no matter what state the guy is in.

I said probably. Its a lot more likely that Classic would be hurt because of being chained up, and captured by the Supers. It's a lot less likely that Mr. Black would have more trouble fighting do to killing a few humans, and having feat aches.... I don't recall him being "extremely stealthy". He went invisible.. He didn't run that fast considering whats been in other movies, which could be do to being beat up, starved, not given any water.. Once again, i'm not saying that i know for sure that he'd been beaten and starved, etc.. Just that it's highly likely he was. I can't picture Mr. Black, an honorless, brutal, killer of his own species, and a PREDATOR capture and chain up Classic without there being a fight, or just punching the f**k out of Classic.

QuoteI said probably. Its a lot more likely that Classic would be hurt because of being chained up, and captured by the Supers. It's a lot less likely that Mr. Black would have more trouble fighting do to killing a few humans, and having feat aches.... I don't recall him being "extremely stealthy". He went invisible.. He didn't run that fast considering whats been in other movies, which could be do to being beat up, starved, not given any water.. Once again, i'm not saying that i know for sure that he'd been beaten and starved, etc.. Just that it's highly likely he was. I can't picture Mr. Black, an honorless, brutal, killer of his own species, and a PREDATOR capture and chain up Classic without there being a fight, or just punching the f**k out of Classic.

And I agree that he probably was starved and beat up. But the guy seemed to be in no physical pain, he knew exactly what he was doing, he ran as fast as he could at Mr. Black (with no obvious limp) and he managed to throw the guy around a bit. That doesn't sound like something you do to a larger opponent when you're terribly starving,brutally beat up and thirsty. Also, the "classic" had to get up on the totem in the first place, meaning someone (presumably Mr. Black or one of the other supers) had to best him and tie him up there. And my point was, classic lost originally (before he got tied up) and after (when he was released). Meaning that he loses even at his best.

Also, I was not talking about classic, I was talking about Mr. Black running through the camp invisible. He was hella fast, faster than the original (or equal). Also, do you not recall how the chained up guy hid behind the log, then dissapeared when Mr. Black went to find him? You call that not stealthy? What would you call it, luck?

One question: how is Mr. Black honourless? Please, enlighten me. After that statement, I have no idea what you said. Sorry  :-\

Quote from: AintGotTime2Bleed on Jul 19, 2010, 11:03:32 PMAnd another question: wasn't Blacks' shoulder cannon working? Did he fire it at the tied up guy? That is an honest question, because if he didn't then I could say the same about Mr. Black.

Black's cannon was working just fine. I think he fired at Classic like at least 3 times, that's why Classic had to retreat in the first place. When Black checked if Classic was still there, Classic already went invisible. Then Black stood around doing nothing, only to get tackled by Classic. If Classic's shoulder cannon would've worked, the fight would've probably been over once Black lost sight of him.

QuoteBlack's cannon was working just fine. I think he fired at Classic like at least 3 times, that's why Classic had to retreat in the first place. When Black checked if Classic was still there, Classic already went invisible. Then Black stood around doing nothing, only to get tackled by Classic. If Classic's shoulder cannon would've worked, the fight would've probably been over once Black lost sight of him.

I really wish the damn film would come out on DVD and Blu Ray so we could confirm this shit.

What? You think I'm lying and Black didn't shoot at him?

I don't think you're lying, I'm just saying having it on DVD to analyse like I did all the other Predator films would be a huge help to everyone. However, if my fading memory of the film serves me correctly, he fires three times but doesn't hit him. So really, it was all physical prowess vs. physical prowess, with Black coming out on top?

Quote from: AintGotTime2Bleed on Jul 19, 2010, 11:12:58 PM

QuoteI said probably. Its a lot more likely that Classic would be hurt because of being chained up, and captured by the Supers. It's a lot less likely that Mr. Black would have more trouble fighting do to killing a few humans, and having feat aches.... I don't recall him being "extremely stealthy". He went invisible.. He didn't run that fast considering whats been in other movies, which could be do to being beat up, starved, not given any water.. Once again, i'm not saying that i know for sure that he'd been beaten and starved, etc.. Just that it's highly likely he was. I can't picture Mr. Black, an honorless, brutal, killer of his own species, and a PREDATOR capture and chain up Classic without there being a fight, or just punching the f**k out of Classic.

And I agree that he probably was starved and beat up. But the guy seemed to be in no physical pain, he knew exactly what he was doing, he ran as fast as he could at Mr. Black (with no obvious limp) and he managed to throw the guy around a bit. That doesn't sound like something you do to a larger opponent when you're terribly starving,brutally beat up and thirsty. Also, the "classic" had to get up on the totem in the first place, meaning someone (presumably Mr. Black or one of the other supers) had to best him and tie him up there. And my point was, classic lost originally (before he got tied up) and after (when he was released). Meaning that he loses even at his best.

Also, I was not talking about classic, I was talking about Mr. Black running through the camp invisible. He was hella fast, faster than the original (or equal). Also, do you not recall how the chained up guy hid behind the log, then dissapeared when Mr. Black went to find him? You call that not stealthy? What would you call it, luck?

One question: how is Mr. Black honourless? Please, enlighten me. After that statement, I have no idea what you said. Sorry  :-\

He doesn't have to limp to be in pain. He could have been starved for a day. He could have been starved for a week. There is a lot of small details you have to think about. And woah, bro. You're thinking that i think Classic would have won if he hadn't been chained up and shit. If Classic was at his best, i'm sure Mr. Black would still kick his ass. Aren't all the Super Preds in the movie supposed to be honorless bad-blood killers?.. Not sure what you're talking about when you say the guy chained up behind the log, then disappeared. You mean Classic? If so, that still wasn't "extremely stealthy", he just moved away from the log. Fast. Extremely stealthy would be Mr. Black going over to the log, finding nothing, then turning around to wristblades in his chest.

QuoteHe doesn't have to limp to be in pain. He could have been starved for a day. He could have been starved for a week. There is a lot of small details you have to think about. And woah, bro. You're thinking that i think Classic would have won if he hadn't been chained up and shit. If Classic was at his best, i'm sure Mr. Black would still kick his ass. Aren't all the Super Preds in the movie supposed to be honorless bad-blood killers?.. Not sure what you're talking about when you say the guy chained up behind the log, then disappeared. You mean Classic? If so, that still wasn't "extremely stealthy", he just moved away from the log. Fast. Extremely stealthy would be Mr. Black going over to the log, finding nothing, then turning around to wristblades in his chest.

First, allow me to say that I'm glad we both agree Mr. Black would kick Classics' ass whatever condition he was in.  ;D

The super preds were never shown to be honourless and they are never stated to be honourless. To be honourless would mean they would chose the weakest people on earth to hunt, but they still chose the best. They aim to improve, not to blindly kill to satisfy some bloodlust.

And nobody was chained behind a log. Classic jumped behind it (if my memory serves) to avoid plasma caster shots (thank you Dusk for jogging my memory). When Black goes over to finish the job, Classic isn't there. He then appears in Mr. Blacks' blind spot and tackles him to the ground. We never see Classic extend his wristblades once, leaving me to believe that he either didn't have them or wanted to inflict maximum, prolonged pain (i.e with fists) to the predator that chained him up. Classic moving really fast and tackling Black in his blind spot is pretty stealthy, you have to admit. In that position he could easily have extended his wrist blades and killed Black, but he didn't.

Ok, so Ive been following this debate pretty closesly and I've noticed that it has devolved into a popularity contest. What I would like to point out to both sides is that neither predator showed awesome amount of skills. Now I just saw the movie again, Black shot at classic in the middle of a fist fight, but there was no evidence of classics cannon not working. I think the classic just chose not to shoot because he felt it was dishonrable. But that doesnt mean black was dishonerable, we do not know what his clans views are. Also we do not see black that much and his traps were pretty effective. We dont know if he was in trees alot or not, he showed up on the ground to grap the two in the net probably to scare them. And yes Wolf is supposed to be the most skilled predator we have seen in all the movies (except the elders we breifly see) So yes he would be a better match for black, Could probably kill the falconer and the flusher, but black seems smarter and stronger, it would be a good fight, but Black plays by different rules, but in the end I feel Black would win, he would be injured badly but he would still be breathing, unless he shoots wolf.....

The fight could have gone either way. Black didn't show anything special that no other Predator could've done.

True that

Quote from: Dusk on Jul 20, 2010, 12:11:24 AM
The fight could have gone either way. Black didn't show anything special that no other Predator could've done.

Meh...we haven't seen two predators fight before. But if Classic is the same size as Wolf (which he looked to be a bit bigger (i.e thicker) than him, actually), and Mr. Black is bigger (both width and height and strength) than classic, then it appears that Black is far bigger and stronger than Wolf. So in a fist fight, the result would be largely the same.

If he just stands there and lets Black thrash him. Pure strength isn't the only deciding factor in a fight.

Classic in predators looked really short actually, when he steps by royce to go fight black, royce comes up to his cheek area, which makes him in the six foot range. This is most likely because predators used the shortest suit actors to portray predators ever, I think hes supposed to be the same size as the original though, so wolf would be taller and leaner, but wolf is said to be stronger than the original. But we do not know what rank mrblack is, he could be really young for all we know.

This is going to turn into another one of those god damned hypothetical fights again, like between the Queen and the Predalien. Except you can't say that Classic is faster, or any other predator for that matter. Mr. Black has all the traits on his side, every advantage possible, and yet you people continue to think a classic predator like wolf would win. I'm through. The confirmation bias is rank in this thread.

Quote from: AintGotTime2Bleed on Jul 19, 2010, 11:56:09 PM

QuoteHe doesn't have to limp to be in pain. He could have been starved for a day. He could have been starved for a week. There is a lot of small details you have to think about. And woah, bro. You're thinking that i think Classic would have won if he hadn't been chained up and shit. If Classic was at his best, i'm sure Mr. Black would still kick his ass. Aren't all the Super Preds in the movie supposed to be honorless bad-blood killers?.. Not sure what you're talking about when you say the guy chained up behind the log, then disappeared. You mean Classic? If so, that still wasn't "extremely stealthy", he just moved away from the log. Fast. Extremely stealthy would be Mr. Black going over to the log, finding nothing, then turning around to wristblades in his chest.

First, allow me to say that I'm glad we both agree Mr. Black would kick Classics' ass whatever condition he was in.  ;D

The super preds were never shown to be honourless and they are never stated to be honourless. To be honourless would mean they would chose the weakest people on earth to hunt, but they still chose the best. They aim to improve, not to blindly kill to satisfy some bloodlust.

And nobody was chained behind a log. Classic jumped behind it (if my memory serves) to avoid plasma caster shots (thank you Dusk for jogging my memory). When Black goes over to finish the job, Classic isn't there. He then appears in Mr. Blacks' blind spot and tackles him to the ground. We never see Classic extend his wristblades once, leaving me to believe that he either didn't have them or wanted to inflict maximum, prolonged pain (i.e with fists) to the predator that chained him up. Classic moving really fast and tackling Black in his blind spot is pretty stealthy, you have to admit. In that position he could easily have extended his wrist blades and killed Black, but he didn't.

I guess i agree with you on that scene when Mr. Black is looking for Classic now that i think back to it. I didn't say it was a bloodlust, and they can be honorless and still fight the best of the best. Like you said, "they aim to improve". Studying, becoming better. It doesn't mean they have honor. Also, Sport. I'm sure thats more of the reason they hunt Classics then to learn more from them. Remember Nolan's death? I know i've heard in some video, or somthing that they are the honorless, more evil-like type of predator.

What advantage? Black didn't do anything special that another Predator could've done. So, he's taller and stronger, doesn't make every fight against normal Predators an instant win. And look at Wolf's arsenal of weapons and moves. How he intercepts Aliens speeding at him.

He wouldn't just run straight into Black like the other Predator did. He would actually use every freaking weapon and equipment he has at his disposal.

Quote from: Dusk on Jul 20, 2010, 12:57:31 AM
What advantage? Black didn't do anything special that another Predator could've done. So, he's taller and stronger, doesn't make every fight against normal Predators an instant win. And look at Wolf's arsenal of weapons and moves. How he intercepts Aliens speeding at him.

He wouldn't just run straight into Black like the other Predator did. He would actually use every freaking weapon and equipment he has at his disposal.

Black would probably do that too, were he fighting Wolf. We've seen Wolf fight 3 year olds, uhh, i mean Xenomorphs. Cough. Wolf constantly left himself open to attack, even to the point where hes just standing there waiting for the 3 yea..Xenomorphs to kill him (Which they don't. Of course). Black has experience hunting, and fighting Predators. I'm sure Wolf does too. But Black probably does it monthly..if not weekly.. Black uses the majority of his time trying to become the best of the best, the most deadly Predator out there. So even if he wasn't a SUPER Pred with all his increased size, and strength. I still think he would own Wolf, from what we've seen in the movies (not including weapons). I picture Wolf to be different in my own..head. But if were going from the movies.. Wolf would be easier to kill than dog shit.

Quote from: Dusk on Jul 20, 2010, 12:57:31 AM
What advantage? Black didn't do anything special that another Predator could've done. So, he's taller and stronger, doesn't make every fight against normal Predators an instant win. And look at Wolf's arsenal of weapons and moves. How he intercepts Aliens speeding at him.

He wouldn't just run straight into Black like the other Predator did. He would actually use every freaking weapon and equipment he has at his disposal.

He is stronger, equally fast, and heavier (thus harder to move/lift up/wrestle). Yeah, Wolf is better equipped: Blue chemical, dual plasma casters, wrist blades, Shuriken, whip...Black only used his wrist blades and plasma caster. So if we're talking about who's better armed, yeah, sure, Wolf probably wins. But if we're talking predator to predator, fight to the death, one on one fist fight, black wins. The question is, how would black do if he was equally armed as Wolf?


EDIT: and ditto what Lar'ja Thwei said: Wolf was fairly tactically retarded (or just generally retarded), to be politically incorrect.

Quote from: AintGotTime2Bleed on Jul 20, 2010, 01:07:57 AM

Quote from: Dusk on Jul 20, 2010, 12:57:31 AM
What advantage? Black didn't do anything special that another Predator could've done. So, he's taller and stronger, doesn't make every fight against normal Predators an instant win. And look at Wolf's arsenal of weapons and moves. How he intercepts Aliens speeding at him.

He wouldn't just run straight into Black like the other Predator did. He would actually use every freaking weapon and equipment he has at his disposal.

He is stronger, equally fast, and heavier (thus harder to move/lift up/wrestle). Yeah, Wolf is better equipped: Blue chemical, dual plasma casters, wrist blades, Shuriken, whip...Black only used his wrist blades and plasma caster. So if we're talking about who's better armed, yeah, sure, Wolf probably wins. But if we're talking predator to predator, fight to the death, one on one fist fight, black wins. The question is, how would black do if he was equally armed as Wolf?


EDIT: and ditto what Lar'ja Thwei said: Wolf was fairly tactically retarded (or just generally retarded), to be politically incorrect.

Yeah, Wolf was supposed to be wiping out any evidence of any alien creature existing, thus him having these many various weapons. Black was hunting. Remember P1 everybody? Plasma casta and wristblades.. Most people think Wolf is so god-like because he had some more toys.

Now me and Lar'ja are getting along...I like it.

Anyway, enough brown-nosing. It's like comparing the feats of a man with twenty tanks on his side to a man with twenty men on his side...I think you can guess who does more damage, and therefore would look more iimpressive. But really...

Quote from: Lar'ja Thwei on Jul 20, 2010, 01:33:36 AM

Quote from: AintGotTime2Bleed on Jul 20, 2010, 01:07:57 AM

Quote from: Dusk on Jul 20, 2010, 12:57:31 AM
What advantage? Black didn't do anything special that another Predator could've done. So, he's taller and stronger, doesn't make every fight against normal Predators an instant win. And look at Wolf's arsenal of weapons and moves. How he intercepts Aliens speeding at him.

He wouldn't just run straight into Black like the other Predator did. He would actually use every freaking weapon and equipment he has at his disposal.

He is stronger, equally fast, and heavier (thus harder to move/lift up/wrestle). Yeah, Wolf is better equipped: Blue chemical, dual plasma casters, wrist blades, Shuriken, whip...Black only used his wrist blades and plasma caster. So if we're talking about who's better armed, yeah, sure, Wolf probably wins. But if we're talking predator to predator, fight to the death, one on one fist fight, black wins. The question is, how would black do if he was equally armed as Wolf?


EDIT: and ditto what Lar'ja Thwei said: Wolf was fairly tactically retarded (or just generally retarded), to be politically incorrect.

Yeah, Wolf was supposed to be wiping out any evidence of any alien creature existing, thus him having these many various weapons. Black was hunting. Remember P1 everybody? Plasma casta and wristblades.. Most people think Wolf is so god-like because he had some more toys.

That's true, Wolfs gear was designed to clean up the mess and eliminating the problem and Mr. Blacks equipment was designed for hunting so who do u thinks gonna win now?

Mr. Black slapped down a predator who'd been tied to a pole, maybe even tortured, for at least several days (props to classic for being resilient enough to put up a decent fight, imagine if he had just collapsed into a pile after Royce cut him down lolz)

while I'm sure Mr. Black would probably win a wrestling match against Wolf because of how super he is, I think if the two were to hunt each other Mr. Black would get owned

Quote from: happypred on Jul 20, 2010, 08:58:59 AM
Mr. Black slapped down a predator who'd been tied to a pole, maybe even tortured, for at least several days (props to classic for being resilient enough to put up a decent fight, imagine if he had just collapsed into a pile after Royce cut him down lolz)

while I'm sure Mr. Black would probably win a wrestling match against Wolf because of how super he is, I think if the two were to hunt each other Mr. Black would get owned

Who said for several days? How do you know several days? Why couldn't it have been several hours? What proof do you have that he was tied up for days?

Prequel comic, maybe.

Blasphemy!

well it does not specify in the comics, but in the script it mentions he had been strung up and smacked around for along while, so the leader of the regular predator clan had been there before Royce and posse probably arrived. 

Anyway, One of those Super Predators had enough strenght to stick the Classic to a pole, so I bet it's already something.

Quote from: OmegaZilla on Jul 20, 2010, 06:40:09 PM
Anyway, One of those Super Predators had enough strenght to stick the Classic to a pole, so I bet it's already something.

Exactly what I've said many times.

We don't know whether he was just taking down by one or if they ganged up on him.

i would say Black because he has been working on the technique for a while. Wolf was great, but Black is outright nasty.

Quote from: happypred on Jul 20, 2010, 08:58:59 AM
Mr. Black slapped down a predator who'd been tied to a pole, maybe even tortured, for at least several days (props to classic for being resilient enough to put up a decent fight, imagine if he had just collapsed into a pile after Royce cut him down lolz)

while I'm sure Mr. Black would probably win a wrestling match against Wolf because of how super he is, I think if the two were to hunt each other Mr. Black would get owned

Don't you think that's a bit too much of wishful thinking? I mean sure classic was tied on the totem and whatnot, but Mr. Black took several stabs directly into his spine from Stans... that would be far more handicapping, yet Mr. Black took it like some mosquito-bites.

Quote from: OmegaZilla on Jul 20, 2010, 06:40:09 PM
Anyway, One of those Super Predators had enough strenght to stick the Classic to a pole, so I bet it's already something.

Is that actually confirmed? Some people reading the comics here say it was Noland who did it... which would make absolutely no sense whatsoever so I hope your version is the accurate one.

Quote from: Tangakkai on Jul 21, 2010, 12:17:08 AM

Quote from: happypred on Jul 20, 2010, 08:58:59 AM
Mr. Black slapped down a predator who'd been tied to a pole, maybe even tortured, for at least several days (props to classic for being resilient enough to put up a decent fight, imagine if he had just collapsed into a pile after Royce cut him down lolz)

while I'm sure Mr. Black would probably win a wrestling match against Wolf because of how super he is, I think if the two were to hunt each other Mr. Black would get owned

Don't you think that's a bit too much of wishful thinking? I mean sure classic was tied on the totem and whatnot, but Mr. Black took several stabs directly into his spine from Stans... that would be far more handicapping, yet Mr. Black took it like some mosquito-bites.

His Spine? I thought it was around the front of his right shoulder.

QuoteHis Spine? I thought it was around the front of his right shoulder.

I think it was neck-shoulder area. Still pretty damaging (especially in the neck) with a several inch long knife.

QuoteIs that actually confirmed? Some people reading the comics here say it was Noland who did it... which would make absolutely no sense whatsoever so I hope your version is the accurate one.

Disregard the comics.They're very contradicting of the films.

^ yeah guess I have to do so. I thought that would change with this "prequel/sequel" comics *sigh*

I think they are referring to the Predator that Drake captured which he didn't tie up like that. he tied it up in a cage. 

After just watching the movie, I'll have to say, hand to hand, Mr. Black wins.

Quote from: Sylizar on Jul 21, 2010, 03:23:48 AM
After just watching the movie, I'll have to say, hand to hand, Mr. Black wins.

So definitely superdiciously true

Mr. Black owns!!!!  8)

I think classic was in worse shape than mr. black, it's not wishful thinking because from the prequel comic and the script, it can reasonbly be inferred that he took more damage than the "mosquito bites" taken by mr. black

I guess getting stabbed in the shoulder-neck area by a several inch long blade is a mosquito bite. I'd hate to see a flesh wound. And by the way, did anyone see any blood or lacerations on either the classics' face or body ANYWHERE? I certainly didn't. Not even bruises.

Quote from: AintGotTime2Bleed on Jul 18, 2010, 05:46:16 PM
And Mr. Black is smarter. Just look at the traps he set to judge the abilities of its prey. Wolf was better equipped too, and for some reason Mr. Black is the favourite in most people.

mr. Black was smarter? NO way.

I think of Mr. Black as a bigger, slightly stronger Celtic, and yea, he got p'wned by a Xenomorph.

I am starting to think that people just pick Mr. Black for the fact that Wolf "belongs" to the AVP franchise (therefore, they automatically labelling it crap)

Wolf to me has shown that he's a better hunter especially intelligent and wise. He goes after lone packets of Xenos (swimming pool) to reduce increased casualties (humans >_>). With all those helmets, it could be interpreted as the many helmets that he has hunted (killed Preds or not) or the many helmets he had used during his hunts.

And for the people who say that Wolf was portrayed as a retard is simply stupid. He covers his tracks, he has a good stance (knees bent), arms extended in case any Xenos attack from any corner. He places laser nets to block them from escaping.

And people say that the skinned corpse was stupid? It was supposed to be a ploy for Wolf to warn the humans not to come any closer. (But humans are stupid, so they would go in anyways). And he also captured a human in complete surprise to use as a bait for the Aliens while he waits with a whip in hand.

And Black keeps his malfunctioning equipment or at least in environments that doesn't make them work (fire everywhere). Whereas Wolf knew he had a broken caster and snapped it to reform it into a pistol and uses his stimpack once situation was quiet, which proves his resourcefulness and timing of when to use it.

To me, Mr. Black is just a tank, he thinks he can take anything head on. So, good luck to him when Wolf throws a shuriken at him. 

Quote from: blitz1/2 on Jul 21, 2010, 04:30:31 PM
I am starting to think that people just pick Mr. Black for the fact that Wolf "belongs" to the AVP franchise (therefore, they automatically labelling it crap)

No, because he acted stupidly (and there are a lot of examples) and didn't show any combat skills.

Plus, he was far better armed than any predator that came before him.

Quote from: OmegaZilla on Jul 21, 2010, 04:33:20 PM

Quote from: blitz1/2 on Jul 21, 2010, 04:30:31 PM
I am starting to think that people just pick Mr. Black for the fact that Wolf "belongs" to the AVP franchise (therefore, they automatically labelling it crap)

No, because he acted stupidly (and there are a lot of examples) and didn't show any combat skills.

How do you define "stupid", and no combat skills? Then define "combat" then. Clearly, you are too biased towards the original franchise to even consider the other sides?
And show/write some of these "examples" then.

Actually, I would like some examples of Wolf being stupid as well. This has been irking me for quite some time now.

Quote from: AintGotTime2Bleed on Jul 21, 2010, 04:40:31 PM
Actually, I would like some examples of Wolf being stupid as well. This has been irking me for quite some time now.

The fact that he has a better stance shows that he is more competent as a predator. With his stance, he can cover his sides easily, because his arms would easily cover that.

Look at Mr. Black or any of the trio. just marching, hands lowered, no stance. Facing only what's in front of him. A hidden back attack can cripple him (that knife guy doesn't count, unless he had a huge ass spear)

It was a several inch long knife shoved into the shoulder-neck area that Mr. Black shrugged off as if nothing happened. It counts.

Quote from: AintGotTime2Bleed on Jul 21, 2010, 04:40:31 PM
Actually, I would like some examples of Wolf being stupid as well. This has been irking me for quite some time now.

HOO BOY.

In order of memory:

- Stripteasing the Predalien on the roof of the hospital.
- Trying to shoot two Aliens that it was holding (Aliens bleed acid).
- Leaving his back open numerous times, surviving only because the Aliens were downgraded to maintain his 'heroic' status.
- Shooting at an Alien from far beyond effective range, alerting it to his position.
- Killing and skinning a human while he's supposed to be on a mission.
- Stepping on an Alien's head to crush its  skull (Aliens bleed acid).
- Generally being a slow-witted, sluggish combatant against foes that would usually demand excellent speed, timing, reflexes and judgement to fight.

I've probably forgotten some.

Quote from: blitz1/2 on Jul 21, 2010, 04:39:09 PM
And show/write some of these "examples" then.

-Holding two Aliens by the throat and wanting to blast one of them point blank. Aliens have acid blood. Even if Wolf had a shitload of armor he was indeed going to have some acid shoved on him.
-Skinned a corpse while on a cleaning mission. Big waste of time isn't it? He could have utilized it to go hunt aliens instead.
-Really bad aim at the Electric Station
-Left Dallas with the Predator pistol. I mean, his point is to clean mess and don't leave traces, and he suddenly ignorees the fact that a Predator device is left for a human?
-Doing a strip-tease in front of the Predalien instead of just blasting it out. He's always on a cleaning mission, not on a hunt.


EDIT: Mad ninja'd me.

Quote from: MadassAlex on Jul 21, 2010, 04:48:20 PM

Quote from: AintGotTime2Bleed on Jul 21, 2010, 04:40:31 PM
Actually, I would like some examples of Wolf being stupid as well. This has been irking me for quite some time now.

HOO BOY.

In order of memory:

- Stripteasing the Predalien on the roof of the hospital.
- Trying to shoot two Aliens that it was holding (Aliens bleed acid).
- Leaving his back open numerous times, surviving only because the Aliens were downgraded to maintain his 'heroic' status.
- Shooting at an Alien from far beyond effective range, alerting it to his position.
- Killing and skinning a human while he's supposed to be on a mission.
- Stepping on an Aliens' head to crush its  skull (Aliens bleed acid).
- Generally being a slow-witted, sluggish combatant against foes that would usually demand excellent speed, timing, reflexes and judgement to fight.

I've probably forgotten some.

Strip teasing? what?
His equipment were shown to be already resisting acid. Otherwise, don't you think his hand would have melted off if a pred just stabbed it with the wrist blades? And predators have their own blood which resists acid, so point is moot.

Also, if you noticed, the plasma castors could be adjusted for strength so it can "push" back rather than complete blowing a hole into the Alien. Even so, the splashing shouldn't be an issue, as some of the heat would cause the blood to evaporise anyways. And blood shouldn's splash "back" if we use physics.

I already explained the skinned human.

He does have good reflexes, otherwise he would have been killed as soon as the Aliens jumped him in the sewer fight.

@Omega: There was a live Xeno close by. Would you risk having a possible Xeno jumping you on the back? I wouldn't. And Wolf didn't get an opportunity to get his pistol back as the Predalien (where the hell did it come from?) attacked him soon after.

One of the times when he was caught off guard was the Xeno under the stair case, but I don't think anybody could have expected that.

Quote from: blitz1/2 on Jul 21, 2010, 04:54:50 PM
Strip teasing? what?
His equipment were shown to be already resisting acid. Otherwise, don't you think his hand would have melted off if a pred just stabbed it with the wrist blades?

If his equipment is resistant to acid, then why does he take off his cool mask, exposing his face? He gives a lot of time to the Predalien when taking off mask and devices.

Quote from: blitz1/2 on Jul 21, 2010, 04:54:50 PMAnd predators have their own blood which resists acid, so point is moot.

Nothing in the films proves this.

Quote from: OmegaZilla on Jul 21, 2010, 04:57:00 PM

Quote from: blitz1/2 on Jul 21, 2010, 04:54:50 PM
Strip teasing? what?
His equipment were shown to be already resisting acid. Otherwise, don't you think his hand would have melted off if a pred just stabbed it with the wrist blades?

If his equipment is resistant to acid, then why does he take off his cool mask, exposing his face? He gives a lot of time to the Predalien when taking off mask and devices.

Quote from: blitz1/2 on Jul 21, 2010, 04:54:50 PMAnd predators have their own blood which resists acid, so point is moot.

Nothing in the films proves this.

Well, first is because of homage to the reg. movies. And predators love to pull off mask once they find a worthy opponent. And when you see Wolf's mask, it's already damaged on one side. So, it could have impeded his sight.

Nothing in the movie doesn't prove this. And wasn't there an article somewhere saying that Predator blood has a compound that neutralises Alien's blood acidity.

B|

Sigh.

Quote from: blitz1/2 on Jul 21, 2010, 04:54:50 PM
Strip teasing? what?

Taking off its equipment to battle the Predalien.

Quote from: blitz1/2 on Jul 21, 2010, 04:54:50 PMHis equipment were shown to be already resisting acid. Otherwise, don't you think his hand would have melted off if a pred just stabbed it with the wrist blades? And predators have their own blood which resists acid, so point is moot.

It should've melted off. Also, their blood is not acid-resistant and even if it was, their skin would be burned off and there would be major damage to their flesh anyway.

Quote from: blitz1/2 on Jul 21, 2010, 04:54:50 PMAlso, if you noticed, the plasma castors could be adjusted for strength so it can "push" back rather than complete blowing a hole into the Alien. Even so, the splashing shouldn't be an issue, as some of the heat would cause the blood to evaporise anyways. And blood shouldn's splash "back" if we use physics.

Alien blood (and Aliens in general) don't seem to care for physics and even then the Aliens would've been pushed back while Wolf was holding them, essentially propelling himself the f**k around.

Quote from: blitz1/2 on Jul 21, 2010, 04:54:50 PMHe does have good reflexes, otherwise he would have been killed as soon as the Aliens jumped him in the sewer fight.

...

facepalm.jpeg

That has nothi--

Are you trying to tell me that--

HNNG.

That very part of the movie is a neat encapsulation of everything wrong. The Aliens got the jump on a Predator, pushing him to the ground. So far, so good. They then spend a portion of time pawing him without doing anything before he slowly lifts them up... while they continue to do nothing. So not only was Wolf a slow-moving dullard, the Aliens were scaled back to make his lack of competence seem cool.

He should've died.

Quote from: blitz1/2 on Jul 21, 2010, 05:01:30 PM
Well, first is because of homage to the reg. movies.

An homage can't become a plot hole.

Quote from: blitz1/2 on Jul 21, 2010, 05:01:30 PM
And predators love to pull off mask once they find a worthy opponent.

If my mission is to clean I shouldn't care for worthy opponents. I would just make the job as quick as possible.

Quote from: blitz1/2 on Jul 21, 2010, 05:01:30 PM
And when you see Wolf's mask, it's already damaged on one side.

A damaged shield is always a shield, it could have helped against the Predalien's claws and acid blood.

Quote from: blitz1/2 on Jul 21, 2010, 05:01:30 PM
Nothing in the movie doesn't prove this. And wasn't there an article somewhere saying that Predator blood has a compound that neutralises Alien's blood acidity.

What article? All bullshit if you ask me. Not onscreen = Not canon.

Quote from: MadassAlex on Jul 21, 2010, 04:48:20 PM
- Stripteasing the Predalien on the roof of the hospital.
- Trying to shoot two Aliens that it was holding (Aliens bleed acid).
- Leaving his back open numerous times, surviving only because the Aliens were downgraded to maintain his 'heroic' status.
- Shooting at an Alien from far beyond effective range, alerting it to his position.
- Killing and skinning a human while he's supposed to be on a mission.
- Stepping on an Alien's head to crush its  skull (Aliens bleed acid).
- Generally being a slow-witted, sluggish combatant against foes that would usually demand excellent speed, timing, reflexes and judgement to fight.

In order:

-It removed its armour just as previous predators did so when facing a worthy adversary. So really, if Wolf is stupid every predator is stupid.
-You obviously have no idea about force, momentum and plasma, so I won't even bother.
-I think (and this is a real shot in the dark) that he left his back open to opponents that were far behind him. Also, everyone keeps listing stealth as an Aliens' strongpoint, so really, it's to be expected.
-Agreed with the out of range and skinning.
- Stepping on its head...his wrist blades have acid proof whatever, why not his shoes? And he DOES have shoes he can easily take off in case of acid penetration, so really...
-Need to rewatch the film.

I guess I kind of agree that he wasn't the brightest bulb, but he certainkly wasn't as retarded as everyone makes him out to be.

Quote from: blitz1/2 on Jul 21, 2010, 04:54:50 PM

Quote from: MadassAlex on Jul 21, 2010, 04:48:20 PM

Quote from: AintGotTime2Bleed on Jul 21, 2010, 04:40:31 PM
Actually, I would like some examples of Wolf being stupid as well. This has been irking me for quite some time now.

HOO BOY.

In order of memory:

- Stripteasing the Predalien on the roof of the hospital.
- Trying to shoot two Aliens that it was holding (Aliens bleed acid).
- Leaving his back open numerous times, surviving only because the Aliens were downgraded to maintain his 'heroic' status.
- Shooting at an Alien from far beyond effective range, alerting it to his position.
- Killing and skinning a human while he's supposed to be on a mission.
- Stepping on an Aliens' head to crush its  skull (Aliens bleed acid).
- Generally being a slow-witted, sluggish combatant against foes that would usually demand excellent speed, timing, reflexes and judgement to fight.

I've probably forgotten some.

Strip teasing? what?
His equipment were shown to be already resisting acid. Otherwise, don't you think his hand would have melted off if a pred just stabbed it with the wrist blades? And predators have their own blood which resists acid, so point is moot.

Also, if you noticed, the plasma castors could be adjusted for strength so it can "push" back rather than complete blowing a hole into the Alien. Even so, the splashing shouldn't be an issue, as some of the heat would cause the blood to evaporise anyways. And blood shouldn's splash "back" if we use physics.

I already explained the skinned human.

He does have good reflexes, otherwise he would have been killed as soon as the Aliens jumped him in the sewer fight.

@Omega: There was a live Xeno close by. Would you risk having a possible Xeno jumping you on the back? I wouldn't. And Wolf didn't get an opportunity to get his pistol back as the Predalien (where the hell did it come from?) attacked him soon after.

One of the times when he was caught off guard was the Xeno under the stair case, but I don't think anybody could have expected that.

I'll give you an advice Blitz
On this server don't try to defend Wolf, he is pretty hated (that's not my case ,he is so badass). But your debat will actually lead to nothing  ( a bit like the debate between me and Omegazilla about the xeno inner tong  ;D)

Thing is, he removed his gear while standing in front of the Predalien.

If that isn't balls-out stupid, I don't know what is. The only thing worse is that the Predalien stood there and didn't kill him. If nothing else, you must agree that Aliens don't care for honour or worthiness and therefore would use any moment of vulnerability to kill an enemy. Any Predator with experience against Aliens would understand this.

Except Wolf.

Because Wolf is a retard.

Quote from: AintGotTime2Bleed on Jul 21, 2010, 05:06:20 PM
-It removed its armour just as previous predators did so when facing a worthy adversary. So really, if Wolf is stupid every predator is stupid.

Other Predators were hunting for Sport. He was supposedly on a mess-cleaning mission.

Quote from: FUZION PREDATOR on Jul 21, 2010, 05:06:32 PM
But your debat will actually lead to nothing  ( a bit like the debate between me and Omegazilla about the xeno inner tong  ;D)

Which had me in the right position. ;)

QuoteOther Predators were hunting for Sport. He was supposedly on a mess-cleaning mission.

True, but seeing as their entire culture is based on the hunt, he still had to achieve SOME vestige of honour...but I generally agree with you. I won't argue with Wolf being dim witted, but I certainly will not call him retarded like a lot of people here.

Quote from: OmegaZilla on Jul 21, 2010, 05:09:43 PM

Quote from: AintGotTime2Bleed on Jul 21, 2010, 05:06:20 PM
-It removed its armour just as previous predators did so when facing a worthy adversary. So really, if Wolf is stupid every predator is stupid.

Other Predators were hunting for Sport. He was supposedly on a mess-cleaning mission.

Quote from: FUZION PREDATOR on Jul 21, 2010, 05:06:32 PM
But your debat will actually lead to nothing  ( a bit like the debate between me and Omegazilla about the xeno inner tong  ;D)

Which had me in the right position. ;)

:D Yeah yeah , we both agreed that the xeno inner tong was powerless against Preds helmets. ;)

Actually, in Alien Experience we hypothesized that as the alien went to headbite, it spat a little but of acid to weaken the target area and therefore allow for easier penetration. This then explains how the alien was able to bite through the helmet, which was shown in Predator 2 tp be able to withstand bullets from a 12-gauge shotgun.

Quote from: FUZION PREDATOR on Jul 21, 2010, 05:12:44 PM
:D Yeah yeah , we both agreed that the xeno inner tong was powerless against Preds helmets. ;)

AvP would tell otherwise.
Onscreen > blas.

Quote from: OmegaZilla on Jul 21, 2010, 05:09:43 PM

Quote from: AintGotTime2Bleed on Jul 21, 2010, 05:06:20 PM
-It removed its armour just as previous predators did so when facing a worthy adversary. So really, if Wolf is stupid every predator is stupid.

Other Predators were hunting for Sport. He was supposedly on a mess-cleaning mission.

Quote from: FUZION PREDATOR on Jul 21, 2010, 05:06:32 PM
But your debat will actually lead to nothing  ( a bit like the debate between me and Omegazilla about the xeno inner tong  ;D)

Which had me in the right position. ;)

or just plain wrong. just because you have a differing opinion doesn't make you any more right than mine. Mine may not be right either.

The ONLY equipment that Wolf had with him left was one shuriken and the belt that held it. I would HARDLY call that strip teasing.

Um, aren't all Predators as smart as humans, if not slightly dumber because of the honor/killing thing?

If Wolf is dumb, then clearly Mr. Black is a fruitcake.

Also, there's nothing about him about lack of combat skills. And Omega and Alex just rant on mostly pointless mistakes, whereas they seem to avoid pointing out any Mr. Black's faults.

Predators are smarter than humans...

I'm not a fan of Black.

I just really don't like Wolf as an example of a Predator.

Quote from: blitz1/2 on Jul 21, 2010, 05:18:22 PM
or just plain wrong. just because you have a differing opinion doesn't make you any more right than mine. Mine may not be right either.

Um? Was not referencing this debate, just another I had with Fuzion some time ago.

Quote from: blitz1/2 on Jul 21, 2010, 05:18:22 PM
The ONLY equipment that Wolf had with him left was one shuriken and the belt that held it. I would HARDLY call that strip teasing.

He was giving time to the opponent. The Predalien could have attacked him anytime.

Quote from: blitz1/2 on Jul 21, 2010, 05:18:22 PM
Um, aren't all Predators as smart as humans, if not slightly dumber because of the honor/killing thing?

If Wolf is dumb, then clearly Mr. Black is a fruitcake.

Black doesn't do stupid things in the film he stars in as opposed to Wolf.

Quote from: blitz1/2 on Jul 21, 2010, 05:18:22 PM
Also, there's nothing about him about lack of combat skills. And Omega and Alex just rant on mostly pointless mistakes, whereas they seem to avoid pointing out any Mr. Black's faults.

Stupid things done by Mr. Black? He was smart indeed.

Quote from: OmegaZilla on Jul 21, 2010, 05:21:09 PM

Quote from: blitz1/2 on Jul 21, 2010, 05:18:22 PM
or just plain wrong. just because you have a differing opinion doesn't make you any more right than mine. Mine may not be right either.

Um? Was not referencing this debate, just another I had with Fuzion some time ago.

Quote from: blitz1/2 on Jul 21, 2010, 05:18:22 PM
The ONLY equipment that Wolf had with him left was one shuriken and the belt that held it. I would HARDLY call that strip teasing.

He was giving time to the opponent. The Predalien could have attacked him anytime.

Quote from: blitz1/2 on Jul 21, 2010, 05:18:22 PM
Um, aren't all Predators as smart as humans, if not slightly dumber because of the honor/killing thing?

If Wolf is dumb, then clearly Mr. Black is a fruitcake.

Black doesn't do stupid things in the film he stars in as opposed to Wolf.

Quote from: blitz1/2 on Jul 21, 2010, 05:18:22 PM
Also, there's nothing about him about lack of combat skills. And Omega and Alex just rant on mostly pointless mistakes, whereas they seem to avoid pointing out any Mr. Black's faults.

Stupid things done by Mr. Black? He was smart indeed.

Apparently

Smart = continues to use malfunctioning equipment. That heart beat thing was just convenient for him.

And you said that anything that isn't shown in the movies doesn't count right?

It could be that the Classic Predator was the one that set the traps, but super preds found him, tied him up, forced him to reveal locations of traps or just found a map with everything while bringing in their own hounds.

Quote from: blitz1/2 on Jul 21, 2010, 05:25:22 PM
That heart beat thing was just convenient for him.

The sole use of it is clue of smartness. When all other visions are malfunctioning 'cause of the fire, use something that doesn't rely on heat.

Quote from: blitz1/2 on Jul 21, 2010, 05:25:22 PM
And you said that anything that isn't shown in the movies doesn't count right?

*Shrugs* it's the general consensus on this site.

Quote from: blitz1/2 on Jul 21, 2010, 05:25:22 PM
It could be that the Classic Predator was the one that set the traps,

What traps? The ones Royce says are set by the dead guy?

Quote from: blitz1/2 on Jul 21, 2010, 05:25:22 PM
but super preds found him, tied him up,

If they can stick a Predator to a pole don't see why they can't kill Wolf.

QuoteWhat traps? The ones Royce says are set by the dead guy?

I think he means bear trap and the net...

It is the Black Predators' "preserve planet", so it's more likely they've put the traps. But it could also be, why not. Doesn't take out that Wolf acted stupidly 90% of AvPR while Black didn't do a lot of things worthwhile in that sense.

Example of stupid thing Mr Black done

- Standing their like an a**hole ,when blinded by the fire, and getting his head severaly  blow by royce (with the axe) , instead of getting some cover or getting cloack or simply hidding into a tree (like anytime had done)

-He has the "stromtrooper syndrom"it means  highly innacruate when shooting, even with a target locking system (precisly at the first encounter in the BSP's camp)

- When in the camp Mr Black analized every single part of his camp (looking for something maybe) except the trapped body of Edwin (not lucky buddy)

Quote from: OmegaZilla on Jul 21, 2010, 05:32:57 PM
It is the Black Predators' "preserve planet", so it's more likely they've put the traps. But it could also be, why not. Doesn't take out that Wolf acted stupidly 90% of AvPR while Black didn't do a lot of things worthwhile in that sense.

You don't know that, it wasn't stated INFILM. It could be a preserve planet for the Classic Predators and they just captured the three black Preds and exiled them to the planet. And the lone classic was just at the wrong place at the wrong time, or maybe he was the caretaker of the planet.

Stupid 90 percent, surely you must be jesting.

QuoteYou don't know that, it wasn't stated INFILM. It could be a preserve planet for the Classic Predators and they just captured the three black Preds and exiled them to the planet. And the lone classic was just at the wrong place at the wrong time, or maybe he was the caretaker of the planet.

Noland says it. He's been there ten seasons being hunted by the super preds, and he says its their planet.

Quote from: AintGotTime2Bleed on Jul 21, 2010, 05:39:13 PM

QuoteYou don't know that, it wasn't stated INFILM. It could be a preserve planet for the Classic Predators and they just captured the three black Preds and exiled them to the planet. And the lone classic was just at the wrong place at the wrong time, or maybe he was the caretaker of the planet.

Noland says it. He's been there ten seasons being hunted by the super preds, and he says its their planet.

And who's to say that he knows that it was really there the WHOLE time since the preds were there? He only says it from assumption because he was kidnapped by the black preds.

Who's to say? A man who has been there ten seasons and knows a hell of a lot more about it than you or I do, that's who. He says they keep coming back and improving. Then he says (when a super pred comes) "its about time". They have been hunting all this time, its their planet, you don't question a man IN FILM who knows more than you. Unless you're dumb.

Quote from: Noir-Gojira on Jul 16, 2010, 09:14:31 AM

Quote from: Sylizar on Jul 14, 2010, 08:51:25 PM
On the Katana thing. A rue Katana is capable of slicing through two pigs (as shown on Deadliest Warrior), essentially meaning that it can slice a man in half if swung correctly.

That show is bullshit.  Got anything better?

No, no it is not.

Quote from: #6.0 on Jul 21, 2010, 05:46:18 PM

Quote from: Noir-Gojira on Jul 16, 2010, 09:14:31 AM

Quote from: Sylizar on Jul 14, 2010, 08:51:25 PM
On the Katana thing. A rue Katana is capable of slicing through two pigs (as shown on Deadliest Warrior), essentially meaning that it can slice a man in half if swung correctly.

That show is bullshit.  Got anything better?

No, no it is not.

Well, i personnaly own 2 (very good quality) katana (and pratice some kendo) and i can say that 80% of this show is pretty heavy b*llshit.

Quote from: AintGotTime2Bleed on Jul 21, 2010, 05:44:33 PM
Who's to say? A man who has been there ten seasons and knows a hell of a lot more about it than you or I do, that's who. He says they keep coming back and improving. Then he says (when a super pred comes) "its about time". They have been hunting all this time, its their planet, you don't question a man IN FILM who knows more than you. Unless you're dumb.

Actually, I would question him. Because how does he keep track of time in the first place? And from the looks of it, he doesn't appear very sane either.

The only thing that I could get out from him was that I learned that there may be 2 possible Alien clans duking it out.

He does what needs to be done to survive. And knowing your enemy is part of what needs to be done.

Quote from: blitz1/2 on Jul 21, 2010, 05:53:15 PM

Quote from: AintGotTime2Bleed on Jul 21, 2010, 05:44:33 PM
Who's to say? A man who has been there ten seasons and knows a hell of a lot more about it than you or I do, that's who. He says they keep coming back and improving. Then he says (when a super pred comes) "its about time". They have been hunting all this time, its their planet, you don't question a man IN FILM who knows more than you. Unless you're dumb.

Actually, I would question him. Because how does he keep track of time in the first place? And from the looks of it, he doesn't appear very sane either.

The only thing that I could get out from him was that I learned that there may be 2 possible Alien clans duking it out.

He keeps track of time by knowing when they come to hunt, and having a brain.

Quote from: blitz1/2 on Jul 21, 2010, 05:36:34 PM
You don't know that, it wasn't stated INFILM. It could be a preserve planet for the Classic Predators and they just captured the three black Preds and exiled them to the planet.

Nyeh, Aintgottime2bleed ninja'd me. I was exactly going to say about Noland.

Quote from: FUZION PREDATOR on Jul 21, 2010, 05:49:51 PM

Quote from: #6.0 on Jul 21, 2010, 05:46:18 PM

Quote from: Noir-Gojira on Jul 16, 2010, 09:14:31 AM

Quote from: Sylizar on Jul 14, 2010, 08:51:25 PM
On the Katana thing. A rue Katana is capable of slicing through two pigs (as shown on Deadliest Warrior), essentially meaning that it can slice a man in half if swung correctly.

That show is bullshit.  Got anything better?

No, no it is not.

Well, i personnaly own 2 (very good quality) katana (and pratice some kendo) and i can say that 80% of this show is pretty heavy b*llshit.

I would say only 10%

 ;D No doubt you love this show don't you.

More seriously this show overpower to much the katana (as many movies or so said documentary show). i'm sure that they didn't event talk about the old arabian or russian swords (they were deadlier than the katanas in their own climats, but most people don't know that. Because of the katana fanatism)

The power of a katana depends all on the skill of the one who uses it. it's obvious that a n00b won't use it as good as an expert user.

Quote from: OmegaZilla on Jul 21, 2010, 06:41:33 PM
The power of a katana depends all on the skill of the one who uses it. it's obvious that a n00b won't use it as good as an expert user.

He could just happen to get lucky EVERY swing..

Hanzo seemed to be pretty expert at using a katana.

Quote from: OmegaZilla on Jul 21, 2010, 06:45:31 PM
Hanzo seemed to be pretty expert at using a katana.

I was talking about the "n00b". Wapsshhh..

Quote from: OmegaZilla on Jul 21, 2010, 06:45:31 PM
Hanzo seemed to be pretty expert at using a katana.
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;D Of course he is Japanese.

Like the Scottish , they all know how to play bagpipe

Quote from: Lar'ja Thwei on Jul 21, 2010, 06:48:04 PM
I was talking about the "n00b". Wapsshhh..

Ah, ok. Well, luck isn't everything, you gotta have skill too.

Quote from: FUZION PREDATOR on Jul 21, 2010, 06:48:54 PM
;D Of course he is Japanese.

Like the Scottish , they all know how to play bagpipe

That's generalization.

I do, seen every episode.

I do believe that the Katana is one of the greatest, and one of the most versatile swords ever made. But not necessarily the best. It was also perfect for that seen, and the character.

The show, IMO, is accurate, to a point.

The program cannot take tactics into account.

Thus making some scenarios BS.
Such as:

- Ninja vs Spartan, Ninja would wait until the Spartan was asleep.

- Sun Tzu vs Vlad the Impaler, better weapons do not always beat strategy.

Also, weapon choice.

The Scorpion and Balista are not at all useful in one on one combat.

Why did the Veit Kong not have the AK?

Why is the IRA carrying a flame thrower?

And so on, but I fell it is as accurate as possible, and more knowledgeable than any other source.

Quote from: OmegaZilla on Jul 21, 2010, 06:50:17 PM

Quote from: Lar'ja Thwei on Jul 21, 2010, 06:48:04 PM
I was talking about the "n00b". Wapsshhh..

Ah, ok. Well, luck isn't everything, you gotta have skill too.

It's not impossible to get lucky on every strike untill you win..it's just unlikely as shit.

Quote from: OmegaZilla on Jul 21, 2010, 06:50:17 PM

Quote from: Lar'ja Thwei on Jul 21, 2010, 06:48:04 PM
I was talking about the "n00b". Wapsshhh..

Ah, ok. Well, luck isn't everything, you gotta have skill too.

Quote from: FUZION PREDATOR on Jul 21, 2010, 06:48:54 PM
;D Of course he is Japanese.

Like the Scottish , they all know how to play bagpipe

That's generalization.

;) I was ironic

Quote from: Lar'ja Thwei on Jul 21, 2010, 06:51:55 PM

Quote from: OmegaZilla on Jul 21, 2010, 06:50:17 PM

Quote from: Lar'ja Thwei on Jul 21, 2010, 06:48:04 PM
I was talking about the "n00b". Wapsshhh..

Ah, ok. Well, luck isn't everything, you gotta have skill too.

It's not impossible to get lucky on every strike untill you win..it's just unlikely as shit.

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Quote from: OmegaZilla on Jul 21, 2010, 06:50:17 PM

Quote from: Lar'ja Thwei on Jul 21, 2010, 06:48:04 PM
I was talking about the "n00b". Wapsshhh..

Ah, ok. Well, luck isn't everything, you gotta have skill too.

It's not impossible to get lucky on every strike untill you win..it's just unlikely as shit.

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The Deadliest Warrior show is total BS. It's basically 'Topp Trumps'. They test a weapon and then assign it a numerical value. The warrior with the highest number after all the weapon tests wins. They don't take skill or tactics into account. Samurai beats Viking because the number total he received was higher than the Viking. B****cks.
Right back to topic....
Supposebly Mr . Black is taller/bigger and stronger than the 'classic' preds and Wolf IMO falls into the classic pred category and is approximately the same size as Anytime, whilst Mr.Black is bigger though we're not sure by how much. Lets look at humans as a comparison:
A human 5 ft 9 can beat a 6 ft tall human if the shorter human has training/skill and the larger no training (this is for sake of argument, I know shorter trained fighters can defeat larger trained fighters, this is just an example). The size difference can be cancelled out by the fighting skill. If both different sized humans, tall and short both have similar training then the size difference and strenght/power starts to become an issue. The larger has similar skill but also has more physical power to call on, on top of his martial skill.
From what we've seen Predators seem to rely on their physical strenght a lot therefore I think Mr.Black has the edge in this fight.
Both Wolf & Mr. Black have martial skill and are killers, though Mr. Black has that little bit more power and strength to call on to overpower Wolf when he has the chance like he did Anytime2. Of course then the debate becomes about who is more skillful, Wolf or Mr. Black. All I can say is that Mr. Black hunts classic preds and killed Anytime2...

Quote from: The Captain on Jul 21, 2010, 09:03:49 PM
The Deadliest Warrior show is total BS. It's basically 'Topp Trumps'. They test a weapon and then assign it a numerical value. The warrior with the highest number after all the weapon tests wins. They don't take skill or tactics into account. Samurai beats Viking because the number total he received was higher than the Viking. B****cks.

As i said, tactics were not taken into account. But the Samurai is one of the worlds greatest warriors, easily capable of defeating a savage Viking.

It is the best source I could possibly think of besides 1000 actual battles.

The show is not Bullshit, or Bollocks.

Also, if the battle was all-weapons-hunt, I think Wolf, if if was Melee only, then Black.

Yeah, Deadliest Warrior is as close as we can get to actual battles. And you can't do the tactics (unfortunately), because that'd be FAR too complicated to simulate.

On Topic: Black, like many have said, takes this due to his physical power. I mean, this is a melee battle, correct?

New deadliest warrior episode, Predator vs space pirate Ninja!!!

Quote from: #6.0 on Jul 21, 2010, 10:40:57 PM

Quote from: The Captain on Jul 21, 2010, 09:03:49 PM
The Deadliest Warrior show is total BS. It's basically 'Topp Trumps'. They test a weapon and then assign it a numerical value. The warrior with the highest number after all the weapon tests wins. They don't take skill or tactics into account. Samurai beats Viking because the number total he received was higher than the Viking. B****cks.

As i said, tactics were not taken into account. But the Samurai is one of the worlds greatest warriors, easily capable of defeating a savage Viking.

It is the best source I could possibly think of besides 1000 actual battles.

The show is not Bullshit, or Bollocks.

Also, if the battle was all-weapons-hunt, I think Wolf, if if was Melee only, then Black.

That's Hollywood BS. Vikings were not simple 'savages' they were actually highly skilled warriors.
And yes DW is b*****ks, if one warriors sword is rated, for sake of argument 10, and the other warrior's sword is given the numerical rating 12, the show would rate the first warrior the winner, total nonsense.

That is not how the show works.

They take all measurements into account, and "The Edge" is their opinion on which weapon is the better of the two.

The edge weapon does not always have more kills, in GSG9 vs S.W.A.T., the S.W.A.T.'s shotgun, that had originally been given the edge had less kills over all than GSG9's.

Wolf by far. I hate all the haters on here that are blind about him. Wolf apparentely was a very experienced hunter since they sent him in alone against a Xeno infestation and humans. Wolf could've survived if it wasn't for the nuke. I owned all the Xenoes in the movie. Wolf also demonstrated far better fighting skill.

We'll never agree. You like the show, I don't, therefore lets agree to disagree.
As for Wolf vs Berserker, it's hard to tell. Giving Wolf benefit of the doubt (the story seems to portray him as an elite so I'll go with it for the sake of this discussion) his superior skill over Berserker may make up for Berserkers physical 'superiority' in terms of brute strength etc. so I think it'll be a close fight.

I think this is what everyone can conclude (reasons have been explained numerous times):

Unarmed: Mr. Black
Same amount of weapons: Mr. Black
As shown in films: Wolf (because of his copious amount of weapons by comparison).

I say king kong wins

Quote from: AintGotTime2Bleed on Jul 22, 2010, 05:14:14 PM
I think this is what everyone can conclude (reasons have been explained numerous times):

Unarmed: Mr. Black
Same amount of weapons: Mr. Black
As shown in films: Wolf (because of his copious amount of weapons by comparison).

Wrong
Wrong
Right

Unarmed: Wolf because he has been show to be a much more skilled fighter
Same amount of weapons: If Wolf can beat him without then surely with

Your Wolf bias is showing...

QuoteUnarmed: Wolf because he has been show to be a much more skilled fighter

Were exactly do we see that? What I saw in AvP - R is the stupidest fighting choreography of a Pred that I ever saw. I mean the moves he made when fighting the Predalien are just mindblowingly short-sighted and unintelligent that I seriously ask myself if there's another version of AvP - R that has Wolf actually thinking of each step he does, since you seem to be so damn sure about what you say.

Mr. Black would kick his ass any day since he is not bound to either stupidity or the honour code of a regular Pred.

Quote from: Tangakkai on Jul 22, 2010, 06:31:29 PM

QuoteUnarmed: Wolf because he has been show to be a much more skilled fighter

Were exactly do we see that? What I saw in AvP - R is the stupidest fighting choreography of a Pred that I ever saw. I mean the moves he made when fighting the Predalien are just mindblowingly short-sighted and unintelligent that I seriously ask myself if there's another version of AvP - R that has Wolf actually thinking of each step he does, since you seem to be so damn sure about what you say.

Mr. Black would kick his ass any day since he is not bound to either stupidity or the honour code of a regular Pred.

Wolf basically dominated the regular Xenoes. In the new Predators movie Mr. Black fights a formely captive Classic Predator that probably had little to no food and still had a hard time with him. Classic could've won if he wasn't weakened from captivity. Mr. Black had a hard time with a captive and there fore weakened Predator and still got a challenge out of him. What if the Classic wasn't weakened at all and was at his peak? What then?

It wasn't even a challenge for Black. He threw the guy around like a rag doll, only suffering an injury because he got snuck up on. And second, Predators have been shown to be able to survive and perform at peak capabilities (or very close to) for up to 2 days without food (Predator 2). So really, I guess it depends how long Classic was up there for. If I were to warrant a guess, I say less than two days. But that's just a guess.

Quote from: AintGotTime2Bleed on Jul 22, 2010, 06:40:40 PM
It wasn't even a challenge for Black. He threw the guy around like a rag doll, only suffering an injury because he got snuck up on. And second, Predators have been shown to be able to survive and perform at peak capabilities (or very close to) for up to 2 days without food (Predator 2). So really, I guess it depends how long Classic was up there for. If I were to warrant a guess, I say less than two days. But that's just a guess.

Also Mr. Black used his Bad Blood tactics to help win the fight. For example Classic had a plasmacaster but refused to use it out of honour where as Mr. Black being the bad blood that he was shot him in the back with it while Classic only used his wristblades and body.

He didn't shoot him in the back, he missed. He shot stans in the back. And you don't know the circumstances as to why Classic was tied up. You can't just jump to the conclusion that Black is a Bad Blood.

Quote from: AintGotTime2Bleed on Jul 22, 2010, 07:01:57 PM
He didn't shoot him in the back, he missed. He shot stans in the back. And you don't know the circumstances as to why Classic was tied up. You can't just jump to the conclusion that Black is a Bad Blood.

I always thought Mr. Black and the rest of his group were dropped on the game preserve planet as punishment. And isn't it mentioned that there are two clans? The Classic regular Predators and The New "Super" Predators?

Also if Mr. Black was a honourable Yautja he wouldn't have used the plasmacaster in the fight and just use the wristblades like Classic did out of honour further proof he and his group are likely bad bloods.

I think the majority of your misconceptions are from the comics. I admit, yes, he used the plasma caster, but the end result actually worked in Classics' favour...and he didn't use his advantage very well at all.

Quote from: AintGotTime2Bleed on Jul 22, 2010, 07:07:19 PM
I think the majority of your misconceptions are from the comics. I admit, yes, he used the plasma caster, but the end result actually worked in Classics' favour...and he didn't use his advantage very well at all.

I'm basing it off of what we know of Yautja culture and ways. Then can you think of any other explanation as to why Mr. Black, Flusher, and Falconer were there in the first place?

Noland says that they go there each season to hunt, then leave to improve tech and mull over/improve hunting techniques, then come back again with new prey. They're there because they want to improve, and they have been doing it (I think their ancestors...that sword was supposedly very old...) for a long, long time. And maybe Black didn't want to engage in an honourable fight: maybe classic had intruded/interfered in what they had been doing for a long time, or interfered/hindered their hunt/improving.

Armed, Wolf, unarmed, Black.

Wolf. Dual Plasmas for the win. Plus Wolf seems more agile and doesn't mess around cuts the bullshit out and goes straight for the kill.

Well I agree he goes straight... but not really for the kill...

Quote from: Crazy Joe Devola on Jul 22, 2010, 08:35:59 PM
Wolf. Dual Plasmas for the win. Plus Wolf seems more agile and doesn't mess around cuts the bullshit out and goes straight for the kill.

Strip tease in front of a predalien, yeah, straight for the kill alright.....

He had to flex them muscles for the cam!!!! But seriously. What Predator hasn't done this when they met there match................exactly and were complaining about what?????

Wolf would take Mr.Black in every possible situation.

And why do people always moan about wolf stripping? His spear was stuck in the wall which he did throw at Chet, whip was no good after Chet got his tail on it, shurikens were gone as he had thrown them earlier, gun was gone, mask was smashed up and his remaining plasma caster was screwed. His armor was nothing other than dead weight on him thats why he stripped. The only thing that did work was his wrist blades... which he used as they went into the skull of Chet at the end.

Quote from: Bakurenoh on Jul 22, 2010, 11:16:20 PM
Wolf would take Mr.Black in every possible situation.

And why do people always moan about wolf stripping? His spear was stuck in the wall which he did throw at Chet, whip was no good after Chet got his tail on it, shurikens were gone as he had thrown them earlier, gun was gone, mask was smashed up and his remaining plasma caster was screwed. His armor was nothing other than dead weight on him thats why he stripped. The only thing that did work was his wrist blades... which he used as they went into the skull of Chet at the end.

I also think he did it out of honour like Classic did in Predators. He got rid of all his weapons and just used his wristblades, fists and body and fought honourabely against the Predalien.

Did the BSP have self destruct devices? Just wondering......

He had the wrist computer indeed, not really sure if that accomplished the self-destruct device also.

Actually a really interesting question. Since they are not really as fond of the way of honour & way of the hunt as the classic Preds, I ask myself if they would ever consider to blow themselves up if about to die from an enemie's hand.

But then, if he can blow a ship up, he surely can blow himself up... just my thinking.

I think that Mr. Black would win, Wolf was the worst Predator yet.

I dont think mr black had a self destruct. I dont think any of them did. Or any of the classics. The planet is a game preserve and as such its fair for victors of the kill like Noland to take the tech and use it in battle. Also finding the weaponary and armor on the planet wouldnt affect a civilization like it would if it was left on earth (IE the whole point they self destruct to wipe all evidence of their existence)

Quote from: Bakurenoh on Jul 23, 2010, 03:26:46 PM
I dont think mr black had a self destruct. I dont think any of them did. Or any of the classics. The planet is a game preserve and as such its fair for victors of the kill like Noland to take the tech and use it in battle. Also finding the weaponary and armor on the planet wouldnt affect a civilization like it would if it was left on earth (IE the whole point they self destruct to wipe all evidence of their existence)

Spoiler

Black did have a self destruct mechanism built into the ship, and he was clearly taken by suprise when Royce attacked, so maybe he had no time to set his own self destruct mechanism.

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That self destruct made sense though. Somebody stealing his ride and on his way home in an Alien ship would of given the human race all the tech they needed to become super advanced in an unnatural period of time (allthough why classic allowed this is contradictory to the last 4 movies unless the ship was to be sent into the sea or something). Him wiping out his own body would make no sense. Especially as they hunt in 3's why would he set off a mini-nuke? For all he knew Falconer was still active (he probably assumed Tracker had bit it due to the massive explosion).

The self destruct device is just purely to wipe any evidence of Preds and any other activities in case of a hiccup on planets that arent as advanced as them. Besides, new Preds are constantly landing on the planet if they ever needed somebody wiped out they wouldnt use the wristbomb

Yeah I guess that makes sense. Maybe they didn't have self destruct devices, then. Maybe add spoiler tags to that post, not everybody has seen the movie yet.

If it hadnt of been weeks since the movie had of aired and the thread title didnt say spoilers. Im not being a dick intentionally just i think the grace period is over.

What one must also take into account is the difference in weaponry and equipment that both Black and Wolf had.

Plasma Caster: Wolf used two plasma casters, each capable of firing the same large balls of plasma that have been seen in previous predator films. Black on the other hand uses a different type of plasma caster, one which provides a strategic advantage. This is because this plasma caster is capable of firing quicker than we have previously seen predators fire (more than two and a half second wait times between plasma shots is what prior installments have shown), at the cost of slightly less power. However, this can definitely work as an advantage for Black: a super quick charged (not very powerful) bolt was capable of knocking Stans off his feet to fly several meters forward. Now, whilst Wolfs' plasma caster shot would have burned its way clear through Stans' body (ala Blain from Predator), this power fired multiple times (at a quick rate, as was shown to be possible in the camp) would span a large area, and thusly would increase the likelihood of hitting and knocking over/injuring Wolf. Now, whilst this does not kill wolf, it provides Black some time in which to move in for the kill, so to speak. So whereas Wolfs' shots are only slow and behemoth in power, Blacks' plasma caster shots can be quick and do minor damage, or slow and do major damage. Personally, I think that is an advantage for black, but no matter.

Vision: Wolf only displayed the ability to see in infrared and Alien Vision (AV). This does not necessarily mean he couldn't, but it is never shown and in some points the rest of the electromagnetic spectrum might have come in handy. Blacks', on the other hand, never appeared to have an AV (again, there is the possibility he could have had it, but he had no need for it), but was able to see in infrared like Wolf. Now, where Mr. Blacks' vision modes differ from Wolfs' is in the ability to see heartbeats, even through solid objects. This would definitely eliminate Wolfs' cloaking and ability to effectively take cover. This would probably be one of his strongpoints in this hypothetical battle, or even his saving grace (due to the fact that Black is clearly larger). With this eliminated, Wolf would be subjected either to hide and seek or a head on battle, which he is surely not as strong as Black.

Weapons: Wolf came prepared, no doubt about it. He had the blue chemical, the whip, wrist blades, plasma casters, combistick, and Shuriken. Black had a plasma caster and a wrist blade. In this area, Wolf has Black beaten for sure. However, whether or not he could use the blue chemical effectively as a weapon in a full out fight (without being able to effectively restrain his opponent as he did with the alien in AvP:R) is up for debate, with my take on the matter being that the substance is too viscous to be thrown well enough. If he threw the entire vial, hoping it would hit, crack and burn, Black could probably dodge it (depending on circumstances). However, weapon wise Wolf has Black beat (save for the plasma caster, see above).

So I think it can be concluded that with no weapons, Blacks' superior size and strength (coupled with the heartbeat detector, which neutralizes any option Wolf has to hide/cloak) would allow him to prevail. If we take them as they were portrayed in the films, I think a safe assumption would be that Wolf would win, given that he was armed to the teeth. Armed with the same weapons, however, is pure and utter speculation, the outcome being completely determined by circumstances.

As I've uncovered a few years ago there are well distinct yautja casts: Unblooded; Blooded (or warriors); Elite; Retirees; Hunts Master (or Elder yautja); Clan Leader; The Ancients; Adjudicators; Bad Bloods; Enforcer; Killers.
While we don't know for real in which rank each predator that ever appeared on film (in action) was placed in, we do know it for at least 4 of them as fact.
(The party from AvP being unblooded predators)

"Enforcer - The police force of Yautja society, they are experienced hunters, veterans of many hunts, and are skilled with many forms of weapons and combat. They hunt bad bloods, as well as clean up Xenomorph infestations, as a service for the balance of nature, and for the honor of the hunt. They tend to be rare, either few survive long enough to this rank, or most do not choose this position. The only known one is Wolf."

According to Wiki, RR stated the three yautja on 'Predators' were outcasts (or bad-bloods for that matter), which means that if the situation got out of hand, Wolf, by definition alone, would be the one sent to deal with exactly these kinds of situations to begin with, as he too is WELL above the average predator, as far as yautja recognition goes, canon wise.
Also, by definition, the favoritism should fall on him, as he actually does that for a living. lol

Being (I assume) bad bloods Mr.Black wouldn't be bound by any rules and could fight dirty if the opportunity were to present itself (as he did at times), or if he felt threatened by his opponent (something I suspect he did too).
On yautja society markings and signs are like a language, so upon spotting Wolf, Mr.Black would instantly realize the grandeur of his opponent and would surely fight with every available little trick he could pull to get out of the situation alive. That's what wolf would have to watch out for.
The only real "weakness" on Wolf's side is that, due to his position, he'd be forced to fight honorably in order to give his opponent an honorable death(like scarface when he slew his bad blooded yautja brethren).

Wolf's arsenal is superior and much more varied , also due to his versatily (remember the dual casters) though I highly doubt he'd use it (again the rules) when facing another yautja... On a no holds-barred scenario, there wouldn't be a contest here.

Wolf's strength seemed superior to me as well when I think about each's greatest moments on film.
Breaking through the sewage system from underneath the road, and grabbing/lifting up two fully grown xenomorphs by the neck leaving them powerless are the most impressive things I've ever seen a Predator do in terms of strength alone. Still impressed with the way all xenos were body slammed to the ground and walls, wrestled, punched and thrown around.
While one can argue that when he broke free from the sewers he used a brass nuckle of some kind, one would still need a considerable amount of strength behind those arms to pull it off.

Mr.Black's overly aggressive nature's the only thing I see that could give him a slight edge in combat, though as far as I can see, Celtic proved as aggressive (if not more) as Mr. Black in combat and still lost, so being aggressive doesn't assure you victory, brains do, and wolf has that due to countless years of experience in battle.

Wolf's reflexes and overall agility seemed higher as well, with scenes reminding me of the original Predator where he jumped from tree to tree.

Mr. Black however, was shown to be highly resilient, surviving a close range "pack full of grenades" blast (as JH did on the bridge scene in P1 though in his case it was a smaller blast) as well as several other punishment. whether he withstood more damage than past predators as to say he was tougher than most is arguable, as after the blast he seemed to lose most of his strength, as it felt like a turning point for the struggling Royce and Isabella.

Mr.Black to his favor has the fact he defeated another yautja in combat, though it's highly debatable whether he was fighting a yautja capable of putting up a decent fight after long captivity. With faulty equipment too.
Was pretty impressed at how Classic fought, head butting and even slapping Black to the ground once, using nothing but his bare hands.
I felt the decisive turning point here was the use of Black's multi-shot caster, though his stamina would most likely win over Classic in the end.
Good fight, though it failed to portray his strength as SUPER as publicized.

Wolf resembled more of a ju-jitsu or karate fighter, Mr.Black more of a pure Wrestler. Wolf showed technique more often, again, considering the number of things he must've fought, he's bound to have the upper hand here.
So my final opinion is that Wolf would be the winner as he showed more promise/skill on almost every turn.

The deadly infection that is the comics has spread...and WolfOwns is infected.

Quote from: AintGotTime2Bleed on Jul 23, 2010, 11:25:24 PM
The deadly infection that is the comics has spread...and WolfOwns is infected.

Also if they were potrayed as they were in the films Wolf would have wristblades, double plasmacasters, possible plasma pistol, Combi-Stick/spear, Shrukien, Power Glove, Blue disenegrating stuff, and the Whip. While Mr. Black had wristblades, and a plasmacaster. So if they were both potrayed as they were in the films Wolf would win.

Quotedouble plasmacasters, possible plasma pistol,

The plasma pistol should not be listed seperate from the plasma casters, seeing as the plasma pistol is a detached-from-the-shoulder plasma caster.

QuoteSo if they were both potrayed as they were in the films Wolf would win.

I said that earlier...

QuoteSo I think it can be concluded that with no weapons, Blacks' superior size and strength (coupled with the heartbeat detector, which neutralizes any option Wolf has to hide/cloak) would allow him to prevail. If we take them as they were portrayed in the films, I think a safe assumption would be that Wolf would win, given that he was armed to the teeth. Armed with the same weapons, however, is pure and utter speculation, the outcome being completely determined by circumstances.

^MY quote

What I didn't agree with in your copiously long post was the use of terms from the comics, which I have neither read nor have any intention of reading. I personally don't consider them cannon, because a lot of the ideas either 1) contradict the films or 2) are generally extremely stupid. But that's a debate for another thread.

Quote from: AintGotTime2Bleed on Jul 23, 2010, 11:36:53 PM

Quotedouble plasmacasters, possible plasma pistol,

The plasma pistol should not be listed seperate from the plasma casters, seeing as the plasma pistol is a detached-from-the-shoulder plasma caster.

QuoteSo if they were both potrayed as they were in the films Wolf would win.

I said that earlier...

QuoteSo I think it can be concluded that with no weapons, Blacks' superior size and strength (coupled with the heartbeat detector, which neutralizes any option Wolf has to hide/cloak) would allow him to prevail. If we take them as they were portrayed in the films, I think a safe assumption would be that Wolf would win, given that he was armed to the teeth. Armed with the same weapons, however, is pure and utter speculation, the outcome being completely determined by circumstances.

^MY quote

What I didn't agree with in your copiously long post was the use of terms from the comics, which I have neither read nor have any intention of reading. I personally don't consider them cannon, because a lot of the ideas either 1) contradict the films or 2) are generally extremely stupid. But that's a debate for another thread.

I know you said a few points I also said earlier but I just wanted to make it clear.

Solidifying my position...thank you.

Quote from: AintGotTime2Bleed on Jul 23, 2010, 11:44:55 PM
Solidifying my position...thank you.

What "position"? And your points just had to do with what I was saying in my really long post and the one after.

You basically backed up the fact that I said that Wolf would probably win if they were to fight exactly as they were portrayed in the films...that position.

Quote from: AintGotTime2Bleed on Jul 23, 2010, 11:47:27 PM
You basically backed up the fact that I said that Wolf would probably win if they were to fight exactly as they were portrayed in the films...that position.

Oh I see now then. Assuming we are judging this fight as the Yautja were potrayed in the films Wolf would win. At least someone agrees.

Only because of the copious amounts of weapons he had by comparison to Black. I feel as if I'm treading on thin ice here.  :-\

Quote from: AintGotTime2Bleed on Jul 23, 2010, 11:54:29 PM
Only because of the copious amounts of weapons he had by comparison to Black. I feel as if I'm treading on thin ice here.  :-\

Yes it is mainly because of that but since weapons were allowed in the fight Wolf would win the posted fight.

See, I don't want you getting the wrong impression. With the same weapons and equipment as in the films, Wolf probably wins only because he has a hell of a lot more weapons. In any other situation but that, I would have to say Black wins hands down.

I think PF hand a more beefed out weapons package. Combi stick, net gun plasma caster wrist plasma caster, smart disk, wrist blades, and he wore more armor. Wolfs weapons were the combi stick, wrist blades, shurikens, dual plasma caster, whip, mines and the blue goo. Wolf had the better weapons but man PF's seem like they might have been better for his situation

Again Wolf Predator Owns the franchise and these boards and any other fight you throw at him.

To bad the look alike in the new game died like a youngblood

Quote from: Brian the Wolf on Jul 24, 2010, 04:38:09 AM
I think PF hand a more beefed out weapons package. Combi stick, net gun plasma caster wrist plasma caster, smart disk, wrist blades, and he wore more armor. Wolfs weapons were the combi stick, wrist blades, shurikens, dual plasma caster, whip, mines and the blue goo. Wolf had the better weapons but man PF's seem like they might have been better for his situation

I think that they were both properly equipped for their individual hunts/"exterminations".

I think PF could have benifited from a better plasma caster, his seemed weaker. Gary Busey lived to be chopped in half

Wolf Vs. Berserker?! I'd put the money on... Mr. Black (Berserker Pred)

From what I've seen in the sh!tfest of a movie AVPR- It always seemed to me that Wolf was a Pred living a mid life crisis. All comedic attempts aside, Wolf just seemed like he USED to be one of the best hunters while he was young but since he got old, he just hasn't been as good. So, with all his pride and honor, he takes on one last job... the one where the stakes are most high. Thinking he's still got it and still thinking he has something to prove, Wolf embarks on the last fight of his life.

I say Wolf is a has been just based on his performance and his tactics in combat. Obviously, this guy has been through a lot of battles and has garnered a enormous amount of prestige, but this "combat experience" kinda works against him in a way. See, Wolf has killed hundreds of xenos before so he thinks that his way of fighting them is the best. His mindset is that it worked before, so it'll work again. Problem is... some foes adapt. Wolf's whole fighting style against aliens consisted of grappling with them, throwing them down and going in for the kill with either a caster or wristblades. However, when a different type of enemy: predalien appeared... Wolf was Fu$ked. His strategy didn't work on chet, and Wolf's old senile ass couldn't adapt to chets movements. Wolf was humiliated every time by the predalien, wasting his whip and spear, losing sight of a target that big, getting bum rushed... It was like a game of chess, Chet always had the upperhand and the only way Wolf could win was by making the ultimate sacrifice, but even then Chet didn't die.

I also think Wolf is an old motherf*cker just by looking at his reaction time. Many of you say that he dominated 2 xenos by holding them by the neck. I personally think the xenos dominated that encounter. From that position: wolf's only option was to shot both of them at once and PRAY none of that acid got on him. The xenos could've impaled Wolf, clawed his arms off, ect. If it wasn't for Chet, Wolf would've been F&cked. Point blank period. Also when Wolf got bitch slapped by the Xeno's tail  at the power plant, celtic and scar from the first AVP would've at least had good enough reflexes to counter some how. Wolf was too slow.

Wolf probably used to be a great hunter, some time ago, he probably could've nailed that xeno at the power plant with his caster without even trying, but now a days, he's just going to piss himself off and alert the xenos to his position. Sh!t- a goddamn police officer was able to sneak up on him. If the cop's comm didn't go off, wolf's whole mission would've been compromised before he even killed one xeno. Take a seat old man...

On the other hand, Berserker is a brutal son of a gun. Maybe not as super as his name claims, but a p.w.a. (Pred with an attitude) (lame ha ha I no). I see Black as someone who uses the Hawk and Tusk preds as his henchmen, but ultimately someone who hunts alone. The preds never ganged up on the humans. He made classic his bitch and also took a ton of punishment before meeting his end. This Berserker Pred (unlike Wolf) also adapts quite nicely to his foes. When Royce used the fire to disrupt his thermal vision, he switched directly to his heartbeat sensor. Imagine first being thrown in the air by the force of an explosion, then someone throwing a magnesium flare directly in front of you and then running from different directions while hitting you with a damn bat. It would take you a sec to recover too right? Well, not only did Berserker recover but he also automatically know that since his foe just relentlessly pounded him for 20 sec. their heart rate must be sky rocketing. Mr. Black fails in masterful fighting techniques, discipline, and training, but this motherf*cker is the Jason Vorhees of the Predator world (hell just like Jason, he has a super cool mask with just as an ugly mug underneath it).

Berserker:
Bad ass "chain gun" plasma caster
Bigger, Stronger, Heavier
Bull dozer of a serial killer
Not bad at setting traps (bear trap, net trap, possible "help me" trap)
Psychotic
Doesn't play by the rules

Wolf:
More agile
Bigger selection of weapons
Has a hard time fighting things that fight back
Got "owned" by the pizza boy
Hearing and sight probably not so good (with no mask)
Doesn't seem to be able to adapt (only shoots around with plasma casters or knocks down target then shoots with plasma casters)

Berserker's Film Role:
Ripped stans spine out
Killed Classic
Was exploded, hit relentlessly pounded by a blunt object, shot through the chest, then relentlessly pounded by an axe before dieing

Wolf's Film Role:
Detonates Crashed Ship
Cop sneaks up on him
Skins cop even though he's supposed to avoid attracting human attention
Kills a few aliens in the sewer with his casters before getting bitch slapped by Chet
Blows up a power plant trying to kill one alien
Spears one alien
Uses a human as bait to ambush an alien
Gets bitch slapped again by Chet
Kills a few aliens which don't fight back
Gets attacked by the pizza boy
Fights Chet and gets his ass kicked
Gets blow into nothing by nuke
Worst. Cleaner. Ever.

^ Probably the most logical argument yet. Excellent first post too :)

Quote from: Sylizar on Jul 24, 2010, 09:45:57 AM
^ Probably the most logical argument yet. Excellent first post too :)

Agree , but i still with Wolf. Why?

Don't really know , probably because the way Mr Balck get own was so humiliating ,being beaten like he was the wife of an alcoolic husband (delete the post if thats too shocking) and after all decapitated without even trying to react (he just stand here taking some axe blow in the head without trying to counter attack or looking for cover in the trees or cloacking..... simply with no reaction)

If Mr Black's death was different i would maybe but my money in him. (i hate BS Preds for their ineffectivness and bad performance on the screen.)

Quote from: #6.0 on Jul 22, 2010, 10:59:58 PM

Quote from: Crazy Joe Devola on Jul 22, 2010, 08:35:59 PM
Wolf. Dual Plasmas for the win. Plus Wolf seems more agile and doesn't mess around cuts the bullshit out and goes straight for the kill.

Strip tease in front of a predalien, yeah, straight for the kill alright.....

So strip = take away and drop one shuriken + belt on the ground. Yea....I "love" your definitions.

And besides, when people argue that it was stupid for Wolf to drop the shuriken as the Predalien can charge. He could just pick it up again and throw it at his opponent while he's charging sicne there's plenty of distance in between.

Quote from: Sylizar on Jul 24, 2010, 09:45:57 AM
^ Probably the most logical argument yet. Excellent first post too :)

Thanks bro  ;)

Quote from: kain702 on Jul 24, 2010, 08:04:27 AM

Wolf:
More agile
Bigger selection of weapons
Has a hard time fighting things that fight back
Got "owned" by the pizza boy
Hearing and sight probably not so good (with no mask)
Doesn't seem to be able to adapt (only shoots around with plasma casters or knocks down target then shoots with plasma casters)

Berserker's Film Role:
Ripped stans spine out
Killed Classic
Was exploded, hit relentlessly pounded by a blunt object, shot through the chest, then relentlessly pounded by an axe before dieing

Wolf's Film Role:
Detonates Crashed Ship
Cop sneaks up on him
Skins cop even though he's supposed to avoid attracting human attention
Kills a few aliens in the sewer with his casters before getting bitch slapped by Chet
Blows up a power plant trying to kill one alien
Spears one alien
Uses a human as bait to ambush an alien
Gets bitch slapped again by Chet
Kills a few aliens which don't fight back
Gets attacked by the pizza boy
Fights Chet and gets his ass kicked
Gets blow into nothing by nuke
Worst. Cleaner. Ever.

..........Got Owned by the Pizza boy. He stood there and let the bitch shoot him. He didn't care about getting shot or the small bastard, probably would of cleaved him in half just like his girlfriend. Its only a flesh wound.

And did anybody over the constant bitching about the skinning of the cop think that maybe he did it as a way to honor his kill regardless of if he was hunting him or not??? Maybe its a Yajuta tradition in honoring the kill rather than just something they do to the things they kill while hunting. Damn. How did he get his ass kicked by Chet? He mortally wounded him just like Chet did. It was even up to that point and then the nuke. And sorry to say at least Wolf went out like a pimp and didn't get owned by Adrian Brody............cause you know Adrian Brody IS SOOOOOOOOOOOO Dangerous.

Quote from: Crazy Joe Devola on Jul 24, 2010, 10:35:09 PM

Quote from: kain702 on Jul 24, 2010, 08:04:27 AM

Wolf:
More agile
Bigger selection of weapons
Has a hard time fighting things that fight back
Got "owned" by the pizza boy
Hearing and sight probably not so good (with no mask)
Doesn't seem to be able to adapt (only shoots around with plasma casters or knocks down target then shoots with plasma casters)

Berserker's Film Role:
Ripped stans spine out
Killed Classic
Was exploded, hit relentlessly pounded by a blunt object, shot through the chest, then relentlessly pounded by an axe before dieing

Wolf's Film Role:
Detonates Crashed Ship
Cop sneaks up on him
Skins cop even though he's supposed to avoid attracting human attention
Kills a few aliens in the sewer with his casters before getting bitch slapped by Chet
Blows up a power plant trying to kill one alien
Spears one alien
Uses a human as bait to ambush an alien
Gets bitch slapped again by Chet
Kills a few aliens which don't fight back
Gets attacked by the pizza boy
Fights Chet and gets his ass kicked
Gets blow into nothing by nuke
Worst. Cleaner. Ever.

..........Got Owned by the Pizza boy. He stood there and let the bitch shoot him. He didn't care about getting shot or the small bastard, probably would of cleaved him in half just like his girlfriend. Its only a flesh wound.

And did anybody over the constant bitching about the skinning of the cop think that maybe he did it as a way to honor his kill regardless of if he was hunting him or not??? Maybe its a Yajuta tradition in honoring the kill rather than just something they do to the things they kill while hunting. Damn. How did he get his ass kicked by Chet? He mortally wounded him just like Chet did. It was even up to that point and then the nuke. And sorry to say at least Wolf went out like a pimp and didn't get owned by Adrian Brody............cause you know Adrian Brody IS SOOOOOOOOOOOO Dangerous.

Yes! Another one who sees the light! Even though it is a character Adrian Brody is playing and therefore not really him himself just in the appearance sense. Other then that I completely agree with you.

Another thing...........all this Chet bitch slapping him. If i remember he was pre-occupied with multiple aliens every time the Predalien came around and slapped him...........I'm sorry I guess dealing with multiple aliens is no excuse for another stronger more lethal one to slap(not wound) him.

While Mr. Black gets owned by two humans...................weak.

Quote from: Crazy Joe Devola on Jul 24, 2010, 10:35:09 PM

Quote from: kain702 on Jul 24, 2010, 08:04:27 AM

Wolf:
More agile
Bigger selection of weapons
Has a hard time fighting things that fight back
Got "owned" by the pizza boy
Hearing and sight probably not so good (with no mask)
Doesn't seem to be able to adapt (only shoots around with plasma casters or knocks down target then shoots with plasma casters)

Berserker's Film Role:
Ripped stans spine out
Killed Classic
Was exploded, hit relentlessly pounded by a blunt object, shot through the chest, then relentlessly pounded by an axe before dieing

Wolf's Film Role:
Detonates Crashed Ship
Cop sneaks up on him
Skins cop even though he's supposed to avoid attracting human attention
Kills a few aliens in the sewer with his casters before getting bitch slapped by Chet
Blows up a power plant trying to kill one alien
Spears one alien
Uses a human as bait to ambush an alien
Gets bitch slapped again by Chet
Kills a few aliens which don't fight back
Gets attacked by the pizza boy
Fights Chet and gets his ass kicked
Gets blow into nothing by nuke
Worst. Cleaner. Ever.

..........Got Owned by the Pizza boy. He stood there and let the bitch shoot him. He didn't care about getting shot or the small bastard, probably would of cleaved him in half just like his girlfriend. Its only a flesh wound.

And did anybody over the constant bitching about the skinning of the cop think that maybe he did it as a way to honor his kill regardless of if he was hunting him or not??? Maybe its a Yajuta tradition in honoring the kill rather than just something they do to the things they kill while hunting. Damn. How did he get his ass kicked by Chet? He mortally wounded him just like Chet did. It was even up to that point and then the nuke. And sorry to say at least Wolf went out like a pimp and didn't get owned by Adrian Brody............cause you know Adrian Brody IS SOOOOOOOOOOOO Dangerous.

The "pizza boy" put 30 5.56mm rounds into wolf's head and he stood there doing nothing allowing an alien to bum rush him and thus losing his pistol caster. What great warrior you know that lets a pissed off teenager shot him in the head then allow a foe to tackle him into an elevator shaft? I don't know man, if wolf would've at least killed him quick, he would've still had his pistol caster and wouldn't have been caught off guard by the xeno. My point is: Wolf sometimes just stands there...

I don't give a F**k about the skinning thing though. It's just the general idea that someone who's there to clean shouldn't attract attention. He kinda contradicted himself there. That's why alotta members on this forum are pissed about this. Why go through all the trouble of tracking down every body and dissolving them with some blue juice when you're just gonna do something to attract human attention. Those cops are gonna know that somethings up when a man gets killed, skinned, then gets hung up 40ft high on a tree.

Yea, watch AVPR again, when does wolf every get the upperhand on Chet?

Berserker took more punishment than Wolf as far as I can tell. Chet slapped wolf around with his tail yet couldnt even kill a human kid with that same tail. If Wolf only had one caster and his wristblades like Berserker, I'm pretty sure Royce would F@ck him all the way up.

Just want you to know, everyone's entitled to their opinions which I respect but I just don't see why you favor this Predator over Mr. Black. Wolf never seemed like a competent warrior to me while I was watching AVPR. Berserker on the other hand head butted another predator till his mask flew off and half his face turned to mush.

Quote from: Crazy Joe Devola on Jul 24, 2010, 11:04:27 PM
Another thing...........all this Chet bitch slapping him. If i remember he was pre-occupied with multiple aliens every time the Predalien came around and slapped him...........I'm sorry I guess dealing with multiple aliens is no excuse for another stronger more lethal one to slap(not wound) him.

While Mr. Black gets owned by two humans...................weak.

I see what you're saying but as I said in my first post- Chet actually saved wolf when he bitch slapped him in the sewer. In the hospital, Chet was able to sneak up on Wolf, no aliens preoccupying him. Again on the roof of the hospital, no aliens were attacking Wolf when Chet attacked him.

As for Mr. Black getting owned by 2 humans, he could've fought like Wolf and just spammed that damn plasma caster. If he fought like Wolf instead of trying to make himself a better killer, he would've killed everything on the game perserve planet in an hour's time. All wolf did was spam his caster and when he lost his caters, He relied on his spear, ninja stars, and whip and when he lost those all could do to win was put himself in a compromising position where he would also be vulnerable to a fatal attack himself.

Berserker only lost because he was too cocky and didn't finish royce off fast enough

If he ever considered that puny peace of shit a a threat he would of eviscerated him like the stoners. Again he is a spec-ops not a hunter he can use and did whore the casters like and f**king smart predator would its his strongest and most lethal weapon. Like the saying goes you don't bring a knife to a gun fight. And this supposed fight didnt say"THEY CAN FIGHT BUT NOT WITH THERE PLASMA CASTERS URGGGHH!!" Its a mono y mono fight. Wolf wins obviously cause he has more fire power case closed.

And Mr. Black didn't lose because he was cocky he lost because he was a f**king idiot why throw the bitch and the doctor in a hole when he could of just killed them. Why not blow the shit out of adrian brody the many times he could have......................cause he is a f**king idiot. Not like the professional..........Mr. Wolf. He knew he was stepping in some serious shit that's why he did what any logical predator should have done...........Dual Plasma Casters.

Exactly what others have said on this thread. Wolf would probably win because of all his weapons but if it was hand to hand or if Black was equally strapped, I think the pyscho Mr. Black would kick Wolf's old ass.

You say that he doesn't consider a boy running at him firing a fully automatic assault rifle a threat yet he considers two stoners who have 12 gauge hunting shotguns a threat? I don't get it.  ::)

Quote from: Crazy Joe Devola on Jul 24, 2010, 11:22:18 PM

And Mr. Black didn't lose because he was cocky he lost because he was a f**king idiot why throw the bitch and the doctor in a hole when he could of just killed them. Why not blow the shit out of adrian brody the many times he could have......................cause he is a f**king idiot. Not like the professional..........Mr. Wolf. He knew he was stepping in some serious shit that's why he did what any logical predator should have done...........Dual Plasma Casters.

So by your logic, anytime and pussyface are "f**king idiots" too because they didn't spam their plasma casters and liked to take their time pummeling their foes and toying with their prey. Anytime could've blew dutch's head off in a sec when dutch's mud washed off.

Professional huh, if he was so professional how do you explain the mess he made, letting his tech fall into human hands, letting aliens run rampant.  The U.S. government did what Wolf failed to do, contain the threat. So I guess by your standards, being professional is just spamming dual plasma casters right? Well Like I said if Black did the same thing, everything on the preserve would've been dead in a hour.

Who knows why black dropped those two into a hole? Had the movie progressed differently and Brody actually got on the ship, we would've found out. I'm sure though what he planned for those two wouldn't have been pretty.

Yeah, I can't see why some people can't accept that Wolf is a complete idiot, it's just ridiculous.

And Black put them in the hole so he could kill them later. Pretty obvious if you ask me.

Quote from: Sylizar on Jul 24, 2010, 11:46:49 PM
Yeah, I can't see why some people can't accept that Wolf is a complete idiot, it's just ridiculous.

And Black put them in the hole so he could kill them later. Pretty obvious if you ask me.

At the same time, they probably think we're crazy for not liking Wolf. ha ha
I don't know- I just don't get it  ::)

Quote from: Sylizar on Jul 24, 2010, 11:46:49 PM
Yeah, I can't see why some people can't accept that Wolf is a complete idiot, it's just ridiculous.

And Black put them in the hole so he could kill them later. Pretty obvious if you ask me.

Yes agreed, it's like buying a set of DVDs and one is only able to watch one at the time and leaves the others in the shelves.

Wow. Did you guys ever stop to think that maybe the reason behind his action being different than all the hunters is because he isn't a hunter. He is a Soldier (or a variation of) and so his mannerism or his course of actions or judgment might be/are different than anything we have seen??? And comparatively the hunters actions would seem idiotic compared to Wolf's. But to be fair we cant compare there actions fighting humans/aliens as we would to each other. This was a thread about a fight between Mr. Black and Wolf. Not Mr. Black vs Wolf ONLY HAND TO HAND!!!!!!!!!! So yeah Wolf would blow that pussy away. W/his dual plasma casters. And I'm sorry I take age(experience) over youth any day. Which now that I think about it, someone start a Elder Predator (from 2) vs  Mr. Black so I can explain how he would whip Mr. Blacks ass too.

Quote from: kain702 on Jul 24, 2010, 11:08:08 PM

Quote from: Crazy Joe Devola on Jul 24, 2010, 10:35:09 PM

Quote from: kain702 on Jul 24, 2010, 08:04:27 AM

Wolf:
More agile
Bigger selection of weapons
Has a hard time fighting things that fight back
Got "owned" by the pizza boy
Hearing and sight probably not so good (with no mask)
Doesn't seem to be able to adapt (only shoots around with plasma casters or knocks down target then shoots with plasma casters)

Berserker's Film Role:
Ripped stans spine out
Killed Classic
Was exploded, hit relentlessly pounded by a blunt object, shot through the chest, then relentlessly pounded by an axe before dieing

Wolf's Film Role:
Detonates Crashed Ship
Cop sneaks up on him
Skins cop even though he's supposed to avoid attracting human attention
Kills a few aliens in the sewer with his casters before getting bitch slapped by Chet
Blows up a power plant trying to kill one alien
Spears one alien
Uses a human as bait to ambush an alien
Gets bitch slapped again by Chet
Kills a few aliens which don't fight back
Gets attacked by the pizza boy
Fights Chet and gets his ass kicked
Gets blow into nothing by nuke
Worst. Cleaner. Ever.

..........Got Owned by the Pizza boy. He stood there and let the bitch shoot him. He didn't care about getting shot or the small bastard, probably would of cleaved him in half just like his girlfriend. Its only a flesh wound.

And did anybody over the constant bitching about the skinning of the cop think that maybe he did it as a way to honor his kill regardless of if he was hunting him or not??? Maybe its a Yajuta tradition in honoring the kill rather than just something they do to the things they kill while hunting. Damn. How did he get his ass kicked by Chet? He mortally wounded him just like Chet did. It was even up to that point and then the nuke. And sorry to say at least Wolf went out like a pimp and didn't get owned by Adrian Brody............cause you know Adrian Brody IS SOOOOOOOOOOOO Dangerous.

The "pizza boy" put 30 5.56mm rounds into wolf's head and he stood there doing nothing allowing an alien to bum rush him and thus losing his pistol caster. What great warrior you know that lets a pissed off teenager shot him in the head then allow a foe to tackle him into an elevator shaft? I don't know man, if wolf would've at least killed him quick, he would've still had his pistol caster and wouldn't have been caught off guard by the xeno. My point is: Wolf sometimes just stands there...

I don't give a F**k about the skinning thing though. It's just the general idea that someone who's there to clean shouldn't attract attention. He kinda contradicted himself there. That's why alotta members on this forum are pissed about this. Why go through all the trouble of tracking down every body and dissolving them with some blue juice when you're just gonna do something to attract human attention. Those cops are gonna know that somethings up when a man gets killed, skinned, then gets hung up 40ft high on a tree.

Yea, watch AVPR again, when does wolf every get the upperhand on Chet?

Berserker took more punishment than Wolf as far as I can tell. Chet slapped wolf around with his tail yet couldnt even kill a human kid with that same tail. If Wolf only had one caster and his wristblades like Berserker, I'm pretty sure Royce would F@ck him all the way up.

Just want you to know, everyone's entitled to their opinions which I respect but I just don't see why you favor this Predator over Mr. Black. Wolf never seemed like a competent warrior to me while I was watching AVPR. Berserker on the other hand head butted another predator till his mask flew off and half his face turned to mush.

Even though Mr. Black did take some damage but he did own Classic for the vast majority of the fight and then he died by being chopped repeatedely with an axe by Royce....kind of a anti-climatic death in my opinion.

...... this is getting out of hand.

Quote from: Brian the Wolf on Jul 25, 2010, 01:10:33 AM
...... this is getting out of hand.

Not in my opinion.

OK, why does everyone think black would own wolf in a fist fight, what did black do so specail? he tackled a predator, rolled on the ground and then got pimp slapped by the JH, tackled him again rolled onto fire and then, Gasp, he started shooting at him with his CASTER. Hmmm, oh ya, then he headbutt him three times and cut his head off... See wolf used the caster on aliens....why, lets look at avp 1, as soon as scar got his caster, that's all he used until he lost it (scar and his brothers were the most incompetent predators, I dont care what anyone says). Wolf fought Chet off in the hospital with his wrist blades, then fought off two aliens with his bare hands killed one with the pistol because he didn't have time, and used the liquid one the other because it knocked the pistol out of his hands. Also I would like to point out it is very likely that the alien that knocked wolf into the elevator shaft also survived the fall, and wolf had to kill it with his wrist blades because he would not have time after recovering from the fall to reach for his other weapons before the alien was attacking him.... I say wolf wins in hand to hand. Black uses his caster in fist fights because he's afraid to loose, which would also justify wolf shooting back, no Honor to the honorless.

Quote from: Brian the Wolf on Jul 25, 2010, 01:39:07 AM
OK, why does everyone think black would own wolf in a fist fight, what did black do so specail? he tackled a predator, rolled on the ground and then got pimp slapped by the JH, tackled him again rolled onto fire and then, Gasp, he started shooting at him with his CASTER. Hmmm, oh ya, then he headbutt him three times and cut his head off... See wolf used the caster on aliens....why, lets look at avp 1, as soon as scar got his caster, that's all he used until he lost it (scar and his brothers were the most incompetent predators, I dont care what anyone says). Wolf fought Chet off in the hospital with his wrist blades, then fought off two aliens with his bare hands killed one with the pistol because he didn't have time, and used the liquid one the other because it knocked the pistol out of his hands. Also I would like to point out it is very likely that the alien that knocked wolf into the elevator shaft also survived the fall, and wolf had to kill it with his wrist blades because he would not have time after recovering from the fall to reach for his other weapons before the alien was attacking him.... I say wolf wins in hand to hand. Black uses his caster in fist fights because he's afraid to loose, which would also justify wolf shooting back, no Honor to the honorless.

I completely agree with you and I was one of the few saying Wolf would win in a fist fight and if both had weapons. Nice post by the way.

thanks

Quote from: Brian the Wolf on Jul 25, 2010, 01:45:13 AM
thanks

No problem.

Quote from: Brian the Wolf on Jul 25, 2010, 01:39:07 AM
OK, why does everyone think black would own wolf in a fist fight, what did black do so specail? he tackled a predator, rolled on the ground and then got pimp slapped by the JH, tackled him again rolled onto fire and then, Gasp, he started shooting at him with his CASTER. Hmmm, oh ya, then he headbutt him three times and cut his head off... See wolf used the caster on aliens....why, lets look at avp 1, as soon as scar got his caster, that's all he used until he lost it (scar and his brothers were the most incompetent predators, I dont care what anyone says). Wolf fought Chet off in the hospital with his wrist blades, then fought off two aliens with his bare hands killed one with the pistol because he didn't have time, and used the liquid one the other because it knocked the pistol out of his hands. Also I would like to point out it is very likely that the alien that knocked wolf into the elevator shaft also survived the fall, and wolf had to kill it with his wrist blades because he would not have time after recovering from the fall to reach for his other weapons before the alien was attacking him.... I say wolf wins in hand to hand. Black uses his caster in fist fights because he's afraid to loose, which would also justify wolf shooting back, no Honor to the honorless.

I think the point is that Black threw the classic predator around like a rag doll, showing superior strength to an enemy that was representing all other predators that have come before.

Quote from: Brian the Wolf on Jul 25, 2010, 01:39:07 AM
OK, why does everyone think black would own wolf in a fist fight, what did black do so specail?

He killed a Predator. He's the only Pred to have done that so far on film, which, more or less, automatically makes him superior to other Predators.

Not really. The film makers gave us a bone by having the Classic that was killed already battle damaged before the fight and seemingly half dead and weak on the poll.

And Classic put up a pretty good match but he was obviously under performing,

And on the other side of the coin we had Stans stabbing the shit out of Mr Black. Fair enough he gets killed but Mr.Black is lucky Stans didnt have a bigger weapon because he got snuck up on so easily and got stabbed repeatedly before he had time to do anything.

Like Bakurenoh said Classic was probably tortured or beaten or at least not at full strength. And even if Classic was at full strength for the fight and Mr. Black still beat him we don't know how high ranked Classic is or Mr. Black for that matter. Having Classic in the film in the first place was to homage to the Original. Classic could of had a chance to win had he been at full strength and besides we don't no what rank any of them were in the first place we can only guess. Also I never seen what was suppose to be so "super" about the "Super" Predators anyway.

Quote from: Hive Tyrant on Jul 25, 2010, 01:11:46 PM

Quote from: Brian the Wolf on Jul 25, 2010, 01:39:07 AM
OK, why does everyone think black would own wolf in a fist fight, what did black do so specail?

He killed a Predator. He's the only Pred to have done that so far on film, which, more or less, automatically makes him superior to other Predators.

...And because Wolf isn't exactly the best example of a Predator.

And you people forget that Classic had to be defeated before he got tied up...so really, whether or not he was beaten afterward doesn't matter.

Quote from: AintGotTime2Bleed on Jul 25, 2010, 04:35:15 PM
And you people forget that Classic had to be defeated before he got tied up...so really, whether or not he was beaten afterward doesn't matter.

For all we know Mr. Black, Flusher, and Falconer could have ganged up on Classic to capture him in the first place. We will probably never know for sure we can only give theories.

People it really doesn't matter, what we know is that Noland said the big ones hunt the smaller ones, ergo the big ones are stronger. How can that be so hard to comprehend?

Quote from: Tangakkai on Jul 25, 2010, 06:58:07 PM
People it really doesn't matter, what we know is that Noland said the big ones hunt the smaller ones, ergo the big ones are stronger. How can that be so hard to comprehend?

Yeah but just because one is bigger or possibly somewhat stronger doesn't mean they will beat every foe that is presented to them.

Off Topic- I never seen what was supposed to be so "Super" about the Super Predators.

Quote from: Tangakkai on Jul 25, 2010, 06:58:07 PM
People it really doesn't matter, what we know is that Noland said the big ones hunt the smaller ones, ergo the big ones are stronger. How can that be so hard to comprehend?

It does sound that way. Until you realise that also the Super Preds hunt in 3's and there was only one Classic. If there was more than one we would of seen it. We saw a Classic skull. But we dont know if that was an ally of the Classic we seen or it could of been from a previous hunt.

But it was deffinatly made to seem like there was more Supers than Classics so it goes to show nothing about a 1 on 1 situation. They are bigger and meaner but im not so sure about smarter, faster and better in combat.

Everything we have heard about the super preds was hearsay theyve proved to be weaker than regular Predators.

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Quote from: Tangakkai on Jul 25, 2010, 06:58:07 PM
People it really doesn't matter, what we know is that Noland said the big ones hunt the smaller ones, ergo the big ones are stronger. How can that be so hard to comprehend?

It does sound that way. Until you realise that also the Super Preds hunt in 3's and there was only one Classic. If there was more than one we would of seen it. We saw a Classic skull. But we dont know if that was an ally of the Classic we seen or it could of been from a previous hunt.

But it was deffinatly made to seem like there was more Supers than Classics so it goes to show nothing about a 1 on 1 situation. They are bigger and meaner but im not so sure about smarter, faster and better in combat.

Everything we have heard about the super preds was hearsay theyve proved to be weaker than regular Predators.

Yes but it depends what rank the regular Predator is there fighting. Then it could vary how easy one is to kill if at all.

You said it yourself...There was a goddamn Pred SKULL in their camp. That says something.

Quote from: Brian the Wolf on Jul 25, 2010, 01:39:07 AM
OK, why does everyone think black would own wolf in a fist fight, what did black do so specail? he tackled a predator, rolled on the ground and then got pimp slapped by the JH, tackled him again rolled onto fire and then, Gasp, he started shooting at him with his CASTER. Hmmm, oh ya, then he headbutt him three times and cut his head off... See wolf used the caster on aliens....why, lets look at avp 1, as soon as scar got his caster, that's all he used until he lost it (scar and his brothers were the most incompetent predators, I dont care what anyone says). Wolf fought Chet off in the hospital with his wrist blades, then fought off two aliens with his bare hands killed one with the pistol because he didn't have time, and used the liquid one the other because it knocked the pistol out of his hands. Also I would like to point out it is very likely that the alien that knocked wolf into the elevator shaft also survived the fall, and wolf had to kill it with his wrist blades because he would not have time after recovering from the fall to reach for his other weapons before the alien was attacking him.... I say wolf wins in hand to hand. Black uses his caster in fist fights because he's afraid to loose, which would also justify wolf shooting back, no Honor to the honorless.

Agreed and amen

Quote from: Sylizar on Jul 25, 2010, 08:12:26 PM
You said it yourself...There was a goddamn Pred SKULL in their camp. That says something.

Yes it says one died. We seen one die on screen so thats two confirmed. However we saw 3 super preds die on screen at the hands of individuals. One armed with a a bomb, one armed with a sword and one armed with an axe. Noland said he had killed 2 or 3 of them and its obvious he ment the super preds because it "got interesting" and if it wasnt the people in charge who he killed then it wouldnt of been anything.

But it does show they kill Preds.

wolf kill dogs, dogs kill wolfs, it depends on the individuals.

Quote from: Brian the Wolf on Jul 25, 2010, 09:20:51 PM
wolf kill dogs, dogs kill wolfs, it depends on the individuals.

In this case it is a mad pissed off wolf vs. a not so expert dog.

Or a wolf vs a caucasian sheperdhttp://www.cracked.com/blog/5-lovable-animals-you-didnt-know-are-secretly-terrifying/ (http://www.cracked.com/blog/5-lovable-animals-you-didnt-know-are-secretly-terrifying/)

Quote from: OmegaZilla on Jul 25, 2010, 09:26:26 PM

Quote from: Brian the Wolf on Jul 25, 2010, 09:20:51 PM
wolf kill dogs, dogs kill wolfs, it depends on the individuals.

In this case it is a mad pissed off wolf vs. a not so expert dog.

I like this reference to the thread.

Quote from: Bakurenoh on Jul 25, 2010, 07:14:32 PM

Quote from: Tangakkai on Jul 25, 2010, 06:58:07 PM
People it really doesn't matter, what we know is that Noland said the big ones hunt the smaller ones, ergo the big ones are stronger. How can that be so hard to comprehend?

It does sound that way. Until you realise that also the Super Preds hunt in 3's and there was only one Classic. If there was more than one we would of seen it. We saw a Classic skull. But we dont know if that was an ally of the Classic we seen or it could of been from a previous hunt.

But it was deffinatly made to seem like there was more Supers than Classics so it goes to show nothing about a 1 on 1 situation. They are bigger and meaner but im not so sure about smarter, faster and better in combat.

Everything we have heard about the super preds was hearsay theyve proved to be weaker than regular Predators.

Thing is however that inventing a new Breed of Preds without making them more dangerous, stronger and smarter seems useless. Honestly RR would have made the most retarded move if these new Preds are not at least a bit stronger than (also well trained) classic Preds.

The other thing is that although Classic was all strung out and whatnot, he din't just fail, but he failed miserably by not even injuring Mr. Black and got his ass handed in every possible way (plasma caster, headbutt). Black didn't really need a lot of effort. So I think that even if an elite hunter of the classic predator clan would face Mr. Black he would at least have big problems if not even get killed like classic.

If you look at the psychological standpoint of the situation, these super predators allowed classic to keep the majority of his equipment. Would you do that if you were really concerned about your opponent killing or defeating you? No.

Quote from: AintGotTime2Bleed on Jul 26, 2010, 12:52:29 AM
If you look at the psychological standpoint of the situation, these super predators allowed Mr. Black to keep the majority of his equipment. Would you do that if you were really concerned about your opponent killing or defeating you? No.

Don't you mean the super predators allowed Classic to keep "most" of his equipment?

Ok so the super predators are supposedly bigger, stronger, faster and smarter, but as a great character once said "If it bleeds we can kill it." '
If humans can kill predators, predators can kill super predators, Wolf was a high ranking predator warrior, that pint has been beaten to death. That means he hunted bad bloods along with cleaning up messes. Bad bloods for people who dont know are predators who break the honor codes and go rouge. As I remeber Wolf had an extensive wall of masks. Who ever said those were all his? For all we know those were trophies from bad bloods. Now thats all speculation, but it is reasonable to assume that the wolf has dealt with more predators then predaliens. I think we could count on wolf putting up a better fight against the super predators then chet.

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Wolf hunting predators.....Picture was taken for one of his sons career day.

Thank you AVP3 screenshot sections!

 lol  good comics book:D

Perhaps, predator's face are so badly made in this game.

I personnaly hate this game. so far under the level of AvP 1 (1999) and even AvP2 (2002)
Moreover i stupidly bought the hunter pack 90€ (110$)

>:( Last time i trust Rebellion

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Quote from: AintGotTime2Bleed on Jul 26, 2010, 12:52:29 AM
If you look at the psychological standpoint of the situation, these super predators allowed Mr. Black to keep the majority of his equipment. Would you do that if you were really concerned about your opponent killing or defeating you? No.

Don't you mean the super predators allowed Classic to keep "most" of his equipment?

Yes, sorry. Fixed it. Thanks ;D

beserker he is the only one who has killed a predator

Wolf.

I mean.. seriously... compare every badass thing he did in AVPR to any oither Predator. He is #1.

I'm also a fan of Mr. Black, but I still think Wolf would crush him.

They fight and are even. Wolfe decides that Mr. black is a worthy opponent and decides to take his armor and weapons off. While he is doing this Mr. Black blasts him with his cannon and wins since he dont care about honor.

Wolf would kick the shit out of Mr.Black and be holding his big head by the dreads in the end.

Has it ebeen confirmed that the Super Predators don't care to fight with honor like the normal Predators do?.

All I really know about Berserker is he is the youngest Predator to have killed an Alien and another Predator aswell.

Wolf would still whip all they're asses. No contest.

berserker could tell wolf his shoes are untied and he would fall for it the big oaf

berserker fo sho

Quote from: predtekone on Jul 30, 2010, 11:27:02 AM
berserker could tell wolf his shoes are untied and he would fall for it the big oaf

berserker fo sho

Yes and then as Berserker charges in for the kill, it was only Wolf faking it and slices Berserker in half with a shuriken.

Or lifts up his spear and Beserker runs into it.

Quote from: Brian the Wolf on Jul 30, 2010, 11:26:12 PM
Or lifts up his spear and Beserker runs into it.

lol, or Wolf can whip the blue vial at him, melting Berserker completely without effort. xD

Or they can have a scene like in the first Indiana Jones were Wolf is busy and Beserker comes out and does something that looks cool, and Wolf sighs and shoot's him and the crowd around them cheers.
Ok so that wouldn't happen but Maybe Wolf can whip him or something.

Wolf cant NOT win. He could spam traps with the laser mines to force Black to have to use a certain route while he targets him with 2 palsma casters, or shurikens. And if Black gets in close enough he has the combi stick and whip.. or throw the vile at him. And if black gets even closer he has a power glove, wrist blades and skilled CQC.

Wolf would have to drop the ball big time to lose.

Quote from: Brian the Wolf on Jul 30, 2010, 11:50:44 PM
Or they can have a scene like in the first Indiana Jones were Wolf is busy and Beserker comes out and does something that looks cool, and Wolf sighs and shoot's him and the crowd around them cheers.
Ok so that wouldn't happen but Maybe Wolf can whip him or something.

I was actually thinking of something like Mortal Kombat (the first movie) where you have this muscular minion against Sub Zero. Minion does all these kicks and punches in the air as Sub zero waits (he gets impatient and charges an ice ball) and Minion charges head on as Sub zero throws the ball freezing him and then he strafes as the frozen block of ice hits the table.

So Beserker charges Wolf who just whips him in half?

Look at all the Wolf fans crawling out of the woodwork.

I like Wolfe but I just dont think he could stand a chance against Berserker Predator. They made MR. Black look like the Terminator in that movie. He just couldnt die.

Now if this was Wolf against Tusks or Falconer than I would say Wolfe wins the fight against either of them easily.

Quote from: Sylizar on Jul 31, 2010, 02:04:39 AM
Look at all the Wolf fans crawling out of the woodwork.

Aww, look at the lone  Berserker fan coming out from a xenomorph egg...

@PredatorV1: I could argue the same with Wolf, he has sustained several injuries and kept going. Anything that gets in his away or has the misfortune of being in his away could either get plasma castered, whipped, used as bait, hung, or get cut with his wristblades (which he slaughtered many Xenos along the way)

Quote from: Sylizar on Jul 31, 2010, 02:04:39 AM
Look at all the Wolf fans crawling out of the woodwork.

They're coming outta the walls! They're coming outta the Goddamn walls!!

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Quote from: Sylizar on Jul 31, 2010, 02:04:39 AM
Look at all the Wolf fans crawling out of the woodwork.

They're coming outta the walls! They're coming outta the Goddamn walls!!

Nah, we just decloaked after we finished our respective Xenomorph hunts.

I think the loser will be the one whose hubris kicks in first. That's how lots of preds die, hubris, and it is common in many movie villians. Many of the predators had it and it at least indirectly led to many of their deaths. Underestimation, gloating, sense of honor, it gets em killed. One of them will have their 'I'm going to toy with him' or 'I'm going to do this honorably' moment and that one will die. That's simply because they are movie characters. Which is why that Indiana Jones scene with the gun vs the sword is often talked about, it bucked a cliche in my opinion.

The loser will be first Predator to shoot himself with the PlasmaCaster, i.e. Wolf.

Quote from: ScoobySnax on Jul 31, 2010, 03:35:13 PM
The loser will be first Predator to shoot himself with the PlasmaCaster, i.e. Wolf.

And chances are higher with Berserker shooting himself in the face.

^ I guess no explanation is required anymore...

Well since Wolf has all his toys from AVP:R and Mr. Black only has wristblade and PC it's a rather unfair fight as Wolf has Black heavily outgunned. I'd be more interested in the outcome of a fair fight.
Both preds only armed with wristblade and one PC each. That way it would be down to skill rather than who has the most weapons.
And of course Black has the edge in a fair fight as he has experience killing other preds whereas we've only seen Wolf kill xeno's and humans.
And if Wolf can only defeat Mr. Black by outgunning him then that makes him a bit of a weakling.

Quote from: The Captain on Aug 01, 2010, 02:09:27 PM
Well since Wolf has all his toys from AVP:R and Mr. Black only has wristblade and PC it's a rather unfair fight as Wolf has Black heavily outgunned. I'd be more interested in the outcome of a fair fight.
Both preds only armed with wristblade and one PC each. That way it would be down to skill rather than who has the most weapons.
And of course Black has the edge in a fair fight as he has experience killing other preds whereas we've only seen Wolf kill xeno's and humans.
And if Wolf can only defeat Mr. Black by outgunning him then that makes him a bit of a weakling.

I doubt that, Wolf shown himself better as an overall "Hunter". Actually, screw the plasma casters, that's no honour for anyone. But, Black doesn't have a chance as Wolf has better surprise tactics than Black and that will turn the battle in his favour. Battles are not based on simply strength alone.

Quote from: blitz1/2 on Aug 03, 2010, 10:20:28 PM
I doubt that, Wolf shown himself better as an overall "Hunter".

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Agreed. Wolf was the best of ALL Predator hunters, imo.

Uh, Im a Wolf fan here but he didn't show much hunting skills........

are you kidding me?.

 huge fan of both Preds but i would say wolf has the upper hand.. only cause of the evidence from both films and I know how crappy AVP:R was but seriously the film was made and I know they juiced up Wolf but come on ppl its still a Predator movie? so hands down Wolf he showed more skills i think..

I'd go with Wolf under normal circustances. I mean, he put up a hand-to-hand fight against a freakin' predalien... Credit must be given. :P

I think that both Predators are evenly matched.Wolf could take on a whole group of Xenomorphs by himself and almost kill a Pred-Alien.Mr Black killed another Predator,got 8 grenades blow up in his face and still managed to have Royce in position for the death blow.
I'd say Mr Black would beat Wolf but it would be a competitive fight (As competitive as a Predator fight can be)

Is it safe to say Wolf & Berserker are the strongest of the Preds we've seen in the franchise?.

What do you guys think?.

Quote from: Forever Knight on Aug 06, 2010, 11:10:24 AM
Is it safe to say Wolf & Berserker are the strongest of the Preds we've seen in the franchise?.

What do you guys think?.

yes.

Quote from: Forever Knight on Aug 06, 2010, 11:10:24 AM
Is it safe to say Wolf & Berserker are the strongest of the Preds we've seen in the franchise?.

What do you guys think?.

No and Yes.

Quote from: OmegaZilla on Aug 06, 2010, 12:31:01 PM

Quote from: Forever Knight on Aug 06, 2010, 11:10:24 AM
Is it safe to say Wolf & Berserker are the strongest of the Preds we've seen in the franchise?.

What do you guys think?.

No and Yes.

well, maybe Wolf was just so bad ass, that he actually made those Aliens look retarded?  ???

Most of those Aliens were mentally deficient from the start. One, maybe two, showed some bit of intelligence (i.e. Power Plant's)
Wolf was acting stupidly himself.

How was Wolf acting stupid?. He did everything required of him and accomplished his misson, even though he died in the end but that is the fate of all the Preds.

Quote from: Forever Knight on Aug 07, 2010, 07:56:44 AM
How was Wolf acting stupid?. He did everything required of him and accomplished his misson, even though he died in the end but that is the fate of all the Preds.

He skinned a body in a cleaning mission, he turned his back on his enemies (even if they are mentally deficient; never turn the back on your opponent), & finally, wanted to shoot an Alien point blank. If the Predalien didn't whip out, Wolf would have been shovered in acid. Oh, and let's not forget that he takes off part of his weaponry, armor and mask while fighting the Predalien.

i understand everything you just said until the taking off the armor and mask etc. Anytime did the same thing in P1 maybe its a code of honor to fight the opponent with out using all his gadgets..

Anytime was hunting; plus he was hunting a human, which isn't comparable by any means to an Alien.
Wolf was on a cleaning mission; he stands here takin'off armor while the Predalien could charge and schfwumpf him in seconds. But did not, for convenience.

yea it was kinda dumb of wolf to do that and dumb for the predalien to let him but all in all this is a wolf vs mr.black subject still gatta go with wolf. ;D

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Quote from: Forever Knight on Aug 07, 2010, 07:56:44 AM
How was Wolf acting stupid?. He did everything required of him and accomplished his misson, even though he died in the end but that is the fate of all the Preds.

He skinned a body in a cleaning mission, he turned his back on his enemies (even if they are mentally deficient; never turn the back on your opponent), & finally, wanted to shoot an Alien point blank. If the Predalien didn't whip out, Wolf would have been shovered in acid. Oh, and let's not forget that he takes off part of his weaponry, armor and mask while fighting the Predalien.

1. Who's to say Skinning is not permitted during a cleaning misson?.
2. Usually when the mask and armor are removed it's the final battle and duel to the death and that's what Wolf was expecting and sent to do, it was a vengeance thing aswell since he saw his fellow Predators being killed by the Predalien through the visor at the beginning of the movie.

3. When did Wolf turn his back on the Xenomorphs?.

Quote from: Forever Knight on Aug 07, 2010, 10:50:20 AM
1. Who's to say Skinning is not permitted during a cleaning misson?.

Oh, nothing.
It only wastes a good amount of time, time that could have been used to clean better.

Quote from: Forever Knight on Aug 07, 2010, 10:50:20 AM
2. Usually when the mask and armor are removed it's the final battle and duel to the death and that's what Wolf was expecting and sent to do, it was a vengeance thing aswell since he saw his fellow Predators being killed by the Predalien through the visor at the beginning of the movie.

He gave his opponent half of a minute to attack. The Predalien did nothing sure, but it is still giving a potentially dangerous enemy a lot (for an Alien it is a lot) of time to schfwump you out. It is incredibly naive, and ultimately stupid.

Quote from: Forever Knight on Aug 07, 2010, 10:50:20 AM
3. When did Wolf turn his back on the Xenomorphs?.

A lot of times in the film.

Every fandom has a nitpicker.

Quote from: Forever Knight on Aug 07, 2010, 01:40:09 PM
Every fandom has a nitpicker.

Every fandom has its fanboys...

Indeed.

Xenomorphs suck ass. Wolf walked through them and they acted like Retards for a reason. Because they are retarded and Wolf is hard as f**k. People need to watch the movies before they post. Seriously all but Alien 3 acted like a retard. People need to stop having selective memory.

Quote from: Bakurenoh on Aug 07, 2010, 09:04:13 PM
Xenomorphs suck ass. Wolf walked through them and they acted like Retards for a reason. Because they are retarded and Wolf is hard as f**k. People need to watch the movies before they post. Seriously all but Alien 3 acted like a retard. People need to stop having selective memory.

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Quote from: OmegaZilla on Aug 07, 2010, 08:36:08 AM

Quote from: Forever Knight on Aug 07, 2010, 07:56:44 AM
How was Wolf acting stupid?. He did everything required of him and accomplished his misson, even though he died in the end but that is the fate of all the Preds.

He skinned a body in a cleaning mission, he turned his back on his enemies (even if they are mentally deficient; never turn the back on your opponent), & finally, wanted to shoot an Alien point blank. If the Predalien didn't whip out, Wolf would have been shovered in acid. Oh, and let's not forget that he takes off part of his weaponry, armor and mask while fighting the Predalien.

1. Who's to say Skinning is not permitted during a cleaning misson?.
2. Usually when the mask and armor are removed it's the final battle and duel to the death and that's what Wolf was expecting and sent to do, it was a vengeance thing aswell since he saw his fellow Predators being killed by the Predalien through the visor at the beginning of the movie.

3. When did Wolf turn his back on the Xenomorphs?.

I already told Omega the reason for the skinning, he honestly has the memory of a facehugger. He only thrown the shuriken to the ground.
shuriken + belt =/= full armour.

@Scar: But, Wolf can just pull a feint and just thrown the shuriken AT the predalien, if it tried anything funny while he removed his mask.

@omega: If we use that logic, then Mr. black was acting stupid while it just stood there taking blows. It was only luck that he managed to find the heartbeat. Also, then he acted stupid as he inspected the dying corpse while it's the same trick as that dead guy trap that he had set against the humans in the beginning. Then again, he missed many times with plasma caster, which has more rapid fire. So yea, Mr. Black is much more retarded than Wolf.

Black also didnt make sure stans was dead and stans got a few good stabs in on him. Wolf turned his back because he was fighting multple aliens and the times he wasn't  it was because he was either looking for them (the hospital) or he was trying to lure them out(sewers). Also the skinning was like a sort of keep away sign in this particular case. Finally all Wolf had when he disarmed was one mine and a disk, if he used those he probably would kill the predalien, but then the movie would end with a diffinative winner, god forbid that ever happens. Also i dont feel the aliens were stupid in any of the movies, their intellegence just varies. AVPR and avp, they sqeal a lot, not the best idea for sneak attacks, but a lot of times in AVPR they get the drop on people(mollies house, the power plant, hospital stair well, and also the sewers with the hobos) Actually now that I think of it, the only time the aliens seemed to lack intellagence is when they fought the Wolf so, the problem is more that the writters could not think of a way for the wolf to combat the aliens and still look great without makeing them look like idiots. Black would have his work cut out for him fighting wolf.

if Wolf didn't skin any bodies then I'm sure someone would have complained about that too.

Blitz, what was ur theory/explanation on Wolf skinning?.

Quote from: Forever Knight on Aug 08, 2010, 07:11:07 AM
Blitz, what was ur theory/explanation on Wolf skinning?.

The theory behind the skinning was for Wolf to warn the humans to stay away. Kind of like if you post a "Keep out!" sign. But you know, humans are stupid, so they....

Quote from: Hellspawn28 on Jul 13, 2010, 03:10:22 AM
Who would this one? This is Mr. Black (The one with the jaw on his mak), and This thread will have spoilers, and don't post or read if you have not seen the new movie yet.

Sorry if this was done before since I search for it, and found nothing.

Wolf is the best.

-alienhunter14

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Quote from: Forever Knight on Aug 08, 2010, 07:11:07 AM
Blitz, what was ur theory/explanation on Wolf skinning?.

The theory behind the skinning was for Wolf to warn the humans to stay away. Kind of like if you post a "Keep out!" sign. But you know, humans are stupid, so they....

Agreed.

Just to be clear I really liked the AVP movies.
Now Wolf the claeaner is'nt a hunter, he follows no honor code, he doesn't fight fair, he does not use brute force or hunting skills at all, Wolf uses brains not brons he'll do enything to complete his mission,he will use his enemy's weaknesses against them,this makes him more dangerous then any predator hunter to this date. Coupled with the fact he uses the tried and true weapons of the trade(gauntlet knives,shurickens,telescoping spear,plasma cannon)and he's armed with more deadly cleaner weapons(whip,mines,bollas,plasma pistol)makes him unbeatable. Not to forget he's so good at what he does he wears no armor for protection.
Mr.Black is a super predator,he's slightly bigger, stronger,nastier, and meaner then the classic predators,however he still is a hunter. He's armed with a gauntlet "knife", and a berzerker cannon, and has more advanced pred. technology(new vision modes, cloak unaffected by water, auto tracking capabilities)and he's lightly armored. 
In a battle between the two Wolf would win everytime. He's smarter,well armed,experienced,and is more dangerouse.

Quote from: Dusk on Jul 14, 2010, 09:02:02 AM
After mysteriously disappearing during the middle of the Movie Black returns, displaying a lack of any sort of agility. He's just a big brute, stomping through the jungle. Wolf with his agility and arsenal of weapons, would take the win.

Agreed.

MrRidghtop did you agree with me that Wolf would kick Mr.Blacks but?

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Damn, ive waited ages expecting somebody to disagree and this is all i got. I was right though so im not too suprised all the Xeno's we have ever seen (unless under control by a queen) show nothing more than basic self preservation instincts. None of them have shown actual intelligence half as much as ours. They knew if they killed one of their own the acid would burn through the floor. They know how to use the dark to their advanatge. Thats about it. Rest of the time they run infront of bullets and showed no intelegence. Thats why in 2 of the 4 Alien movies they had to have the Alien in a setting where the good guys had no weapons. And in the other 2 they needed to have a nest and a queen to match the humans. A Xenomorph isnt a Predator or a Terminator its just a giant bug with basic needs. Thats the nature of the creature.

SOOOOOOOOO Back to Wolf Vs Berserker. Watched Predators end 20 minutes last night to watch some Berserking action. Berserker if he got his hands onto Wolf id have to see its a 50/50 contest. At first id of chose Wolf easily. But Berserker has MEAN headbutts and 1 or two of them to wolf and he is f**kled. Black knocked the hell out of Classic it totally shut him down. But again Black was also easy to incompasitate with a head blow as shown by Royce shortly after. He was rocked so hard he was basically knocked out he couldnt get back up so Royce just took his time taking him to bits with the Axe.

Oh, pull the other one. It has bells on. Frankly, I've become bored and tired of headcoring fools like you that can't bear to see their precious Predadaddy go down in flames, but you're just inflammatory enough in your attitude to pull me out of hypersleep. Game on.

If you want selective memory, look in a mirror. You hold up Alien 3 as the one example of an intelligent Alien when it's easily the most bland reflection of Alien intelligence on screen sans AvPR. The only clever thing Spike does is blow out some candles. Kane's Son at least shows some curiosity, which is essentially the root of science. Apart from that, the original Alien's cleverness was generally implicit, but it did appear to be a step ahead of the human characters in every scenario since its introduction.

Aliens and Alien: Resurrection provide better examples of Alien intelligence. Cameron's own words were that the Aliens are "pretty clever", having cut the power to C-block to demoralise and disadvantage the marines.

You hear that? The Aliens cut the power. On purpose.

They're about three weeks old.

Organisms that were three weeks old, with no need to use or learn technology, with no teaching from an outside source, worked out how to mess with electronics just to f**k with their enemies. Neither you or I could do that now, let alone do that at three weeks of age.

Not to mention that they found ways around the sentries and actively avoided being fired upon in the Operations battle. They never threw themselves in front of gunfire; they altered their plans when they were outed by Hicks. Before that, in the hive, they used ambush tactics and emerged from unexpected locations to avoid gunfire. They only ever ran into fire in the vents, but even then they tried to use corners and alternate routes to catch the marines where possible.

I haven't even mentioned the Resurrection Aliens using traps and even human technology to kill and capture their adversaries. What animals can cut power at three weeks of age on purpose? Which organism sets traps and learns technology at days of age? Hell, the Aliens even understand sensory input from a human perspective, despite being completely unrestricted by darkness.

That's the core of intelligence. The capacity to learn and adapt to the stimulus around oneself. Aliens do a better job of this, on a consistent basis, than humans or Predators. Shit, Anytime was defeated by some dude with huge balls and some sharp sticks. Pussyface allowed one of his weapons to be stolen and turned against him. In the end? The Predators essentially get killed by the big damn hero. The Alien? It tends to get killed by the forces of physics or a nuke. With the exception of AvPR, the Aliens never lose a stand-up fight in the films, except in AR where they're sometimes outnumbered by enemies wielding firearms.

Selective goddamned memory? Us?

But shit. To your credit, you'd be perfect for the Dark Horse writing team.

Quote from: MadassAlex on Aug 09, 2010, 02:09:26 PM
Oh, pull the other one. It has bells on. Frankly, I've become bored and tired of headcoring fools like you that can't bear to see their precious Predadaddy go down in flames, but you're just inflammatory enough in your attitude to pull me out of hypersleep. Game on.

If you want selective memory, look in a mirror. You hold up Alien 3 as the one example of an intelligent Alien when it's easily the most bland reflection of Alien intelligence on screen sans AvPR. The only clever thing Spike does is blow out some candles. Kane's Son at least shows some curiosity, which is essentially the root of science. Apart from that, the original Alien's cleverness was generally implicit, but it did appear to be a step ahead of the human characters in every scenario since its introduction.

Aliens and Alien: Resurrection provide better examples of Alien intelligence. Cameron's own words were that the Aliens are "pretty clever", having cut the power to C-block to demoralise and disadvantage the marines.

You hear that? The Aliens cut the power. On purpose.

They're about three weeks old.

Organisms that were three weeks old, with no need to use or learn technology, with no teaching from an outside source, worked out how to mess with electronics just to f**k with their enemies. Neither you or I could do that now, let alone do that at three weeks of age.

Not to mention that they found ways around the sentries and actively avoided being fired upon in the Operations battle. They never threw themselves in front of gunfire; they altered their plans when they were outed by Hicks. Before that, in the hive, they used ambush tactics and emerged from unexpected locations to avoid gunfire. They only ever ran into fire in the vents, but even then they tried to use corners and alternate routes to catch the marines where possible.

I haven't even mentioned the Resurrection Aliens using traps and even human technology to kill and capture their adversaries. What animals can cut power at three weeks of age on purpose? Which organism sets traps and learns technology at days of age? Hell, the Aliens even understand sensory input from a human perspective, despite being completely unrestricted by darkness.

That's the core of intelligence. The capacity to learn and adapt to the stimulus around oneself. Aliens do a better job of this, on a consistent basis, than humans or Predators. Shit, Anytime was defeated by some dude with huge balls and some sharp sticks. Pussyface allowed one of his weapons to be stolen and turned against him. In the end? The Predators essentially get killed by the big damn hero. The Alien? It tends to get killed by the forces of physics or a nuke. With the exception of AvPR, the Aliens never lose a stand-up fight in the films, except in AR where they're sometimes outnumbered by enemies wielding firearms.

Selective goddamned memory? Us?

But shit. To your credit, you'd be perfect for the Dark Horse writing team.

Very well said sir.

Quote from: MadassAlex on Aug 09, 2010, 02:09:26 PM
Oh, pull the other one. It has bells on. Frankly, I've become bored and tired of headcoring fools like you that can't bear to see their precious Predadaddy go down in flames, but you're just inflammatory enough in your attitude to pull me out of hypersleep. Game on.

If you want selective memory, look in a mirror. You hold up Alien 3 as the one example of an intelligent Alien when it's easily the most bland reflection of Alien intelligence on screen sans AvPR. The only clever thing Spike does is blow out some candles. Kane's Son at least shows some curiosity, which is essentially the root of science. Apart from that, the original Alien's cleverness was generally implicit, but it did appear to be a step ahead of the human characters in every scenario since its introduction.

Aliens and Alien: Resurrection provide better examples of Alien intelligence. Cameron's own words were that the Aliens are "pretty clever", having cut the power to C-block to demoralise and disadvantage the marines.

You hear that? The Aliens cut the power. On purpose.

They're about three weeks old.

Organisms that were three weeks old, with no need to use or learn technology, with no teaching from an outside source, worked out how to mess with electronics just to f**k with their enemies. Neither you or I could do that now, let alone do that at three weeks of age.

Not to mention that they found ways around the sentries and actively avoided being fired upon in the Operations battle. They never threw themselves in front of gunfire; they altered their plans when they were outed by Hicks. Before that, in the hive, they used ambush tactics and emerged from unexpected locations to avoid gunfire. They only ever ran into fire in the vents, but even then they tried to use corners and alternate routes to catch the marines where possible.

I haven't even mentioned the Resurrection Aliens using traps and even human technology to kill and capture their adversaries. What animals can cut power at three weeks of age on purpose? Which organism sets traps and learns technology at days of age? Hell, the Aliens even understand sensory input from a human perspective, despite being completely unrestricted by darkness.

That's the core of intelligence. The capacity to learn and adapt to the stimulus around oneself. Aliens do a better job of this, on a consistent basis, than humans or Predators. Shit, Anytime was defeated by some dude with huge balls and some sharp sticks. Pussyface allowed one of his weapons to be stolen and turned against him. In the end? The Predators essentially get killed by the big damn hero. The Alien? It tends to get killed by the forces of physics or a nuke. With the exception of AvPR, the Aliens never lose a stand-up fight in the films, except in AR where they're sometimes outnumbered by enemies wielding firearms.

Selective goddamned memory? Us?

But shit. To your credit, you'd be perfect for the Dark Horse writing team.

actually, can't we apply that to avpr, seeing as a handful of Xenos wasted the national guard, using surprise and surround. While one xeno died from heavy fire, the other soldiers were picked off pretty easily. so they too, would experience intelligence/tactics

I guess Wolf just emits an aura of stupidity.

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Quote from: MadassAlex on Aug 09, 2010, 02:09:26 PM
Oh, pull the other one. It has bells on. Frankly, I've become bored and tired of headcoring fools like you that can't bear to see their precious Predadaddy go down in flames, but you're just inflammatory enough in your attitude to pull me out of hypersleep. Game on.

If you want selective memory, look in a mirror. You hold up Alien 3 as the one example of an intelligent Alien when it's easily the most bland reflection of Alien intelligence on screen sans AvPR. The only clever thing Spike does is blow out some candles. Kane's Son at least shows some curiosity, which is essentially the root of science. Apart from that, the original Alien's cleverness was generally implicit, but it did appear to be a step ahead of the human characters in every scenario since its introduction.

Aliens and Alien: Resurrection provide better examples of Alien intelligence. Cameron's own words were that the Aliens are "pretty clever", having cut the power to C-block to demoralise and disadvantage the marines.

You hear that? The Aliens cut the power. On purpose.

They're about three weeks old.

Organisms that were three weeks old, with no need to use or learn technology, with no teaching from an outside source, worked out how to mess with electronics just to f**k with their enemies. Neither you or I could do that now, let alone do that at three weeks of age.

Not to mention that they found ways around the sentries and actively avoided being fired upon in the Operations battle. They never threw themselves in front of gunfire; they altered their plans when they were outed by Hicks. Before that, in the hive, they used ambush tactics and emerged from unexpected locations to avoid gunfire. They only ever ran into fire in the vents, but even then they tried to use corners and alternate routes to catch the marines where possible.

I haven't even mentioned the Resurrection Aliens using traps and even human technology to kill and capture their adversaries. What animals can cut power at three weeks of age on purpose? Which organism sets traps and learns technology at days of age? Hell, the Aliens even understand sensory input from a human perspective, despite being completely unrestricted by darkness.

That's the core of intelligence. The capacity to learn and adapt to the stimulus around oneself. Aliens do a better job of this, on a consistent basis, than humans or Predators. Shit, Anytime was defeated by some dude with huge balls and some sharp sticks. Pussyface allowed one of his weapons to be stolen and turned against him. In the end? The Predators essentially get killed by the big damn hero. The Alien? It tends to get killed by the forces of physics or a nuke. With the exception of AvPR, the Aliens never lose a stand-up fight in the films, except in AR where they're sometimes outnumbered by enemies wielding firearms.

Selective goddamned memory? Us?

But shit. To your credit, you'd be perfect for the Dark Horse writing team.

actually, can't we apply that to avpr, seeing as a handful of Xenos wasted the national guard, using surprise and surround. While one xeno died from heavy fire, the other soldiers were picked off pretty easily. so they too, would experience intelligence/tactics

That was their ONE moment of intelligence in that movie. Well, aside from the Alien in the powerplant, but he dropped the ball man.

Quote from: Bakurenoh on Aug 09, 2010, 01:47:17 PM

Damn, ive waited ages expecting somebody to disagree and this is all i got. I was right though so im not too suprised all the Xeno's we have ever seen (unless under control by a queen) show nothing more than basic self preservation instincts. None of them have shown actual intelligence half as much as ours. They knew if they killed one of their own the acid would burn through the floor. They know how to use the dark to their advanatge. Thats about it. Rest of the time they run infront of bullets and showed no intelegence. Thats why in 2 of the 4 Alien movies they had to have the Alien in a setting where the good guys had no weapons. And in the other 2 they needed to have a nest and a queen to match the humans. A Xenomorph isnt a Predator or a Terminator its just a giant bug with basic needs. Thats the nature of the creature.

SOOOOOOOOO Back to Wolf Vs Berserker. Watched Predators end 20 minutes last night to watch some Berserking action. Berserker if he got his hands onto Wolf id have to see its a 50/50 contest. At first id of chose Wolf easily. But Berserker has MEAN headbutts and 1 or two of them to wolf and he is f**kled. Black knocked the hell out of Classic it totally shut him down. But again Black was also easy to incompasitate with a head blow as shown by Royce shortly after. He was rocked so hard he was basically knocked out he couldnt get back up so Royce just took his time taking him to bits with the Axe.

Thats all you deserve for an argument as dense as yours.

BSP all that one of them has to do is find Cuchillo's dead body, and lure Wolf in and he's trapped while Black blasts him with a Plasmacaster plus Wolf couldn't even kill Ricky who open fired on him with an M4 and he has no hunting skills he's only an Exterminator killing bugs with an arsenal of weapons just like John Goodman in Arachnophobia
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The BSPs at least are smart enough to set up traps and get the smaller Predators like Classic who was captured so Wolf in a 1v1 situation, all a BSP has to do is set a trap and get Wolf who has no awareness of his surroundings as he didn't realize Chet was behind him in the hospital about to stab him and didn't notice that cop who gasped 10 ft behind him until his walkie-talkie went off or BSP can beat the hell out him and stab him with their long-a$$ wristblades and shoot him with the plasmacaster.

Quote from: The Facehugger's facehugger on Aug 10, 2010, 06:30:15 PM
BSP all that one of them has to do is find Cuchillo's dead body, and lure Wolf in and he's trapped while Black blasts him with a Plasmacaster plus Wolf couldn't even kill Ricky who open fired on him with an M4 and he has no hunting skills he's only an Exterminator killing bugs with an arsenal of weapons just like John Goodman in Arachnophobia
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The BSPs at least are smart enough to set up traps and get the smaller Predators like Classic who was captured so Wolf in a 1v1 situation, all a BSP has to do is set a trap and get Wolf who has no awareness of his surroundings as he didn't realize Chet was behind him in the hospital about to stab him and didn't notice that cop who gasped 10 ft behind him until his walkie-talkie went off or BSP can beat the hell out him and stab him with their long-a$$ wristblades and shoot him with the plasmacaster.

And what makes you think that Wolf couldn't set up traps of his own? He set up Ricky's brother as a bait for the Xenos, while he waited on high ground, once the humans panicked, and the Xenos attacked them. Wolf climbed on top of a bookshelf and rained plasma shots at the Xenos. So all Wolf has to do is to set a trap for Mr. Black. I HIGHLY doubt that it was Mr. black that set up of all of those traps by himself. And Wolf can just set up mines or laser nets, and kick mr. Black or all the Bsps into the lasers, there job done.

About Ricky, let's see. He has no plasma caster, one of the shurikens impaled the girl, he was getting shot in the face (which is killing his vision) as it kept flashing. I doubt you can do much when people keeping putting flashes from the cameras into your eyes (same logic).

The Black Super Predator was a failure , IMO , but did better then Wolf.

Wolf was stupid , weaker then the BSP , and was shown that he is generaly incompetent ( PowerPlanet scene , Sewer Scene) and reallys on a distance arsenal.

Mr. Black could EASILY blow him away because he stayed hidden. He wouldn't fall for Wolf's " lures"

Quote from: The PredBen on Aug 11, 2010, 03:36:24 PM
The Black Super Predator was a failure , IMO , but did better then Wolf.

Wolf was stupid , weaker then the BSP , and was shown that he is generaly incompetent ( PowerPlanet scene , Sewer Scene) and reallys on a distance arsenal.

Mr. Black could EASILY blow him away because he stayed hidden. He wouldn't fall for Wolf's " lures"

Wolf is only weaker in Mr. Black in physical strengthwise. Everywise, Wolf beats Mr. Black hands down.

Let's see...if we put Mr. Black in the sewer scenes, he would be killed as soon as the 2 Xenos jumped him. I doubt anyone could have expected the Xeno DIRECTLY under you. If you say Wolf is incompetent, then Mr. Black would have been a retard.

Any Predator would've died in that situation and by all accounts Wolf survived through plot armour.

Why do ppl dog on WOLF so much?!?! how is he stupid to?  he rocked in it? yea they juiced him up. i can say that but come he did what he did the movie was made and in the end he was just a bad a**  predator! yea i say the acting and story was crap but don't argue about the action! there's so much action and not just with wolf the aliens too? man i don't get it why ppl got to smash on wolf all the time he was beast! skilled predator end of story. the film shows it but yea everyone has there own opinion but just saying lighten up a bit and give wolf and the movie some credit..

Alright back to Wolf vs. BSP I already said who would win in my other post WOLF: would win he was just purely more skilled then Mr.Black, Wolf probably has more battle experience then BSP too, I give strength wise to BSP only cause hes a bigger pred but thats it. Wolf would win hands down no competition.

Wolf thought it was a good idea to shoot two acid-bleeding monsters at point-blank. While holding them.

And that's all you need to know.

yea it was a bad idea lol but the question is did he do it? NOPE ;) who knows maybe he would of snapped there necks lol who but it shows Wolf and his strength lifting both aliens out of the water and I know it was clearly showing he was going to blast both there heads of with the casters after being hit by the predalien cause it shows him shooting it but is that really it for ol' dumb wolf?  :-\

Quote from: MadassAlex on Aug 11, 2010, 11:01:54 PM
Wolf thought it was a good idea to shoot two acid-bleeding monsters at point-blank. While holding them.

And that's all you need to know.

That's one of the more reasonable instances in the film.

Quote from: BLAIN on Aug 11, 2010, 11:14:10 PM

Quote from: MadassAlex on Aug 11, 2010, 11:01:54 PM
Wolf thought it was a good idea to shoot two acid-bleeding monsters at point-blank. While holding them.

And that's all you need to know.

That's one of the more reasonable instances in the film.

:D

Quote from: ScarPredator14 on Aug 11, 2010, 11:13:46 PM
yea it was a bad idea lol but the question is did he do it? NOPE ;) who knows maybe he would of snapped there necks lol who but it shows Wolf and his strength lifting both aliens out of the water and I know it was clearly showing he was going to blast both there heads of with the casters after being hit by the predalien cause it shows him shooting it but is that really it for ol' dumb wolf?  :-\

We're specifically shown, from Wolf's perspective, the targeting triangles appearing over the Aliens. Then, when he was hit from behind, his casters fired off, implying that he had been charging them up for the shots.

So yes. He was going to shoot them at point blank.

No, Predators can't pick up two Aliens at once. They'd get stabbed a lot.

the most realistic fight between a Predator and an Alien to me would have to be Celtic/Grid.

Anyways Mr. black would beat Wolf.

Quote from: PredatorV1 on Aug 12, 2010, 12:04:24 AM
the most realistic fight between a Predator and an Alien to me would have to be Celtic/Grid.

Anyways Mr. black would beat Wolf.

It was the most entertaining by far.

 ;D

Wolfs stats:

Killed 6 humans

killed 13 Aliens

TOTAL kills: 19

Black Super Predator (Mr.black) stats :

Killed 1 human as we know of? (Mombasa and Cuchillo don't really know if that was him)

Killed 1 predator

TOTAL kills: 2 as we know of.

Alright now look at the stats come on how can u argue with wolf winning this fight? BSP had trouble fighting a predator that was already beat down and strung up? and he killed 1 out of 9 humans that we know of? wolf killed waaaay more then BSP and wolf showed more skills and he probably has more experience in combat then BSP too and Both actually were bad shots with the plasma caster. and btw if predators counldn't pick up 2 ALIENS at once then i think the ppl that say that need to watch AVP:R again because it actually shows a predator picking up not 1 but 2 aliens and no stabbing was done from the aliens?  ;D and cant argue with AVP:R cause it is a ALIENS vs PREDATOR film crappy or not.. respect the franchise i'm done with this subject.

WOLF WINS  ;)

^ Problem is (well there's a lot, but I'll adress this one) Mr. Black didn't have trouble killing the predator. He did it quite easily actuallly.

Quote from: MadassAlex on Aug 11, 2010, 11:01:54 PM
Wolf thought it was a good idea to shoot two acid-bleeding monsters at point-blank. While holding them.

And that's all you need to know.

And all you need to know, is what other alternatives he could have in that situation?

And the plasma casters if charged up enough, can probably evaporate Alien blood or cause it to push back through physics.

If he's strong enough to lift them, he's strong enough to throw them.

No matter how you slice it, he was going to get bled on. There's absolutely no way to predict or limit the bleeding, since the plasma caster is based on concussive force.

And temperatures higher than anything naturally found on earth.

 :-\

Quote from: BLAIN on Aug 12, 2010, 12:33:14 PM
And temperatures higher than anything naturally found on earth.

Ayup.

It essentially fires toasty cannonballs.

For some reason that made me think of cereal...

Quote from: ScarPredator14 on Aug 12, 2010, 06:58:21 AM
Wolfs stats:

Killed 6 humans

killed 13 Aliens

TOTAL kills: 19

Black Super Predator (Mr.black) stats :

Killed 1 human as we know of? (Mombasa and Cuchillo don't really know if that was him)

Killed 1 predator

TOTAL kills: 2 as we know of.

Alright now look at the stats come on how can u argue with wolf winning this fight? BSP had trouble fighting a predator that was already beat down and strung up? and he killed 1 out of 9 humans that we know of? wolf killed waaaay more then BSP and wolf showed more skills and he probably has more experience in combat then BSP too and Both actually were bad shots with the plasma caster. and btw if predators counldn't pick up 2 ALIENS at once then i think the ppl that say that need to watch AVP:R again because it actually shows a predator picking up not 1 but 2 aliens and no stabbing was done from the aliens?  ;D and cant argue with AVP:R cause it is a ALIENS vs PREDATOR film crappy or not.. respect the franchise i'm done with this subject.

WOLF WINS  ;)

whats that got to do with anything? Wolf killed a bunch of stupid kids and a bunch of stupid aliens. Whenever an alien showed some brains during the movie Wolf ended up getting owned.

Quote from: MadassAlex on Aug 12, 2010, 12:17:18 PM
If he's strong enough to lift them, he's strong enough to throw them.

No matter how you slice it, he was going to get bled on. There's absolutely no way to predict or limit the bleeding, since the plasma caster is based on concussive force.

If we had applied that logic, then why wasn't his hand melted when he stabbed both Predalien (in end battle) and the impaled Xeno with his right hand. Again, proven again when he practically shot 2 Xenos (within 15 cm) away with no concern. Wolf is a Cleaner, he would have known Xeno anatomy and stuff, otherwise why bring that blue vial with him as well? he would be aware about the acid blood effects,

Even if he had some acid blood on him, I don't think he would get much serious injury.

@PredatorV1: Owned? He would only be caught surprised for a moment before he killed the enemy.
The fact that Mr. Black lost to a small group of humans (well trained or not) already proves he is incompetent.

Wolf was dumb. Black wasn't.

The BSP smart enough NOT to hold to Aliens by the neck ( I don't think he could.) he'd stay away and use his Plasma Caster on a non charged blast as oppose to full power. So the Xeno's wouldn't bleed.

In a one on one fight I think Black , who has more vision modes , would see the clocked Wolf prior to Wolf seeing him. Then , after sneaking up , he'd dispose of him at close range.

Winner: Black.

ok im bored so let me jump back into this subject, seems to me the ppl that hate on WOLF needs to watch AVP:R again and see that WOLF completely owns! the dude owned so much and was actually a great hunter/cleaner ..let me think did he or did he not shoot both those aliens heads off in the sewer NO was he going to YES but did he? NO end for that and did he get killed by and Alien or Human? NO a bomb had to take him out.. Did Mr.Black get owned by HUMANS? YES! how weak is he Mr. ol' powerful BLACK got smoked and decapitated end for that. lets see can PREDATORS pick up ALIENS? YES ,WOLF actually picked up 2 at the same time out of the water. end of that (and did he get stabbed by the Aliens  NO) Mr. Black is big for nothing man tell me one part of the movie he showed some actual skills? WOLF OBVIOUSLY showed alot more of what he can do. Just look at the fax guys just watch AVP:R again who cares if its crappy or didn't like the way it was and stop over analogizing it so much? its a ALIEN vs PREDATOR film? if  you really are a fan then respect another Fan made film. and what they put into it .. but anyways just wanted to let that out WOLF wins again on my side by looking at the evidence in both films Wolf just seems like a more complete hunter did more, showed more , killed more  ;D

Quote from: The PredBen on Aug 12, 2010, 04:58:02 PM
Wolf was dumb. Black wasn't.

The BSP smart enough NOT to hold to Aliens by the neck ( I don't think he could.) he'd stay away and use his Plasma Caster on a non charged blast as oppose to full power. So the Xeno's wouldn't bleed.

In a one on one fight I think Black , who has more vision modes , would see the clocked Wolf prior to Wolf seeing him. Then , after sneaking up , he'd dispose of him at close range.

Winner: Black.

You are fully aware that Mr. Black hasn't even fought a Xeno yet. (not confirmed). Even so, with his tactics, even Grid can beat him (that is if he doesn't use a plasma caster). He wouldn't grab Xenos because they would kill Mr. Black before he gets the chance.

And Wolf can see Mr. Black through thermal mode, so your point is mute. Why the hell do you need more vision modes, if one is adequate?

nono, you got that wrong. Wolf would do the sneaking, Mr. Black is mostly a brawler, he'll die from any surprise attack (or to the back)

Winner: Wolf

Grid would kick Wolf's ass too, because Wolf wouldn't know what to do against an opponent with actual intelligence.

Plus, Heart Beat Sensor FTW.

Mr.Black isn't just a brawler.

And Grid would destroy Wolf too! Wolf showed no skill at all. He managed to hold two Xenos by the neck - if he can do it - Black obviously can do it too!

Wolf's vision mode may NOT be good enough. Why use others when one works? - Because thermal might not work! Black , having caught a Predator before , probably knows how to hide from thermal vision.

Neither are geniuses ... But I need a scenario fight. So ....

Quote from: Sylizar on Aug 12, 2010, 07:28:53 PM
Grid would kick Wolf's ass too, because Wolf wouldn't know what to do against an opponent with actual intelligence.

Plus, Heart Beat Sensor FTW.

That's VERY laughable, Wolf can just throw a spear at Grid and kill it, or wrist blade it to death. The only reason why Celtic lost was because his wrist blade was melted from acid (it was not treated to resist it) and Celtic didn't bring much weapons to the fold. And considering that Celtic, Scar and Chopper were unblooded, and were young, the amount of experience jsut can't compare.

So you do agree that Grid can kick Mr. Black's ass too as well.

@Predben: That's where you're wrong. Mr. Black is mostly a brawler, his teammates were the brain. It wasn't said explicitly, it could be that the BSPs don't have the same thermal scans as Wolf and vice versa. But you only need heat to see the past the cloak

You don't understand.

Mr.Black has caught a Predator before. So perhaps he found a way to trick their thermal vision. Perhaps he has a special material over him that blocks thermal vision.

Plus with Noland walking around with the Predator helmet chances are he'd have a counter to it. Again , not saying he does,  but its possible.

We don't know who'd win at ranged. All we know is that hand to hand Black would win.

Quote from: The PredBen on Aug 12, 2010, 11:00:21 PM
You don't understand.

Mr.Black has caught a Predator before. So perhaps he found a way to trick their thermal vision. Perhaps he has a special material over him that blocks thermal vision.

Plus with Noland walking around with the Predator helmet chances are he'd have a counter to it. Again , not saying he does,  but its possible.

We don't know who'd win at ranged. All we know is that hand to hand Black would win.

Ok fine, pure wrist blade combat ONLY Mr. Black would win. (other weapons included, Wolf would win)

Because he had caught a predator (with 2 others) doesn't mean that he has some exotic technology that the other preds don't have. If so, we never seen the full extent of technology of both BSPs and Classics.

I don't think its reserved for Black.

I think that Predators might have technology that cloaks them from thermal. Perhaps they don't ALL HAVE IT , but if rival clans get in the same area, its wise to have some.

And I agree that Combistick ect included Wolf would win a hand to hand fight.

Quote from: blitz1/2 on Aug 12, 2010, 04:36:27 PM
If we had applied that logic, then why wasn't his hand melted when he stabbed both Predalien (in end battle) and the impaled Xeno with his right hand. Again, proven again when he practically shot 2 Xenos (within 15 cm) away with no concern. Wolf is a Cleaner, he would have known Xeno anatomy and stuff, otherwise why bring that blue vial with him as well? he would be aware about the acid blood effects,

The answer to all this?

The directors just didn't care.

Seriously, if you read or watch any of the material to do with the Alien and Predator stuff for AvPR, it becomes clear that they only cared about presenting Wolf in a good light at the expense of the Aliens (and any sort of external consistency).

Quote from: blitz1/2 on Aug 12, 2010, 04:36:27 PMEven if he had some acid blood on him, I don't think he would get much serious injury.

He would be heavily damaged, like anyone else. Perhaps even killed.

Quote from: MadassAlex on Aug 13, 2010, 12:11:05 AM

Quote from: blitz1/2 on Aug 12, 2010, 04:36:27 PM
If we had applied that logic, then why wasn't his hand melted when he stabbed both Predalien (in end battle) and the impaled Xeno with his right hand. Again, proven again when he practically shot 2 Xenos (within 15 cm) away with no concern. Wolf is a Cleaner, he would have known Xeno anatomy and stuff, otherwise why bring that blue vial with him as well? he would be aware about the acid blood effects,

The answer to all this?

The directors just didn't care.

Seriously, if you read or watch any of the material to do with the Alien and Predator stuff for AvPR, it becomes clear that they only cared about presenting Wolf in a good light at the expense of the Aliens (and any sort of external consistency).

Quote from: blitz1/2 on Aug 12, 2010, 04:36:27 PMEven if he had some acid blood on him, I don't think he would get much serious injury.

He would be heavily damaged, like anyone else. Perhaps even killed.

Or maybe it just wasn't relevant. There is nothing that says that Xenomorph will melt Yautja completely, yes minor burns can happen. And you don't know that severe damage will occur if he was splashed.

Just to restate in the AVP novels predators blood neutralizes the acid, but it still burns the skin, hence the head scaring. Example, one predator decapitates and alien with his wrist claws and the resulting splash melts the skin off of his arm, resulting in the loss of only his han, and a lot of skin. Another predator just splashed with blood but since it was dispearsed it just burned the areas hit and then disapated.  That being said I think wolf was only in danger when he uppercut the predalien, but by then Im sure he knew he was going to die. The reason why I believe that the point blank plasma caster shots would not do anything is because Wolfs casters seemed weaker. When he shoots the one through the laser net, the blast only throws it backwards, it dosent break the skin at all, same with the one he pulls off the ceiling and shoots. thats my hypothosis.

Quote from: blitz1/2 on Aug 13, 2010, 01:33:48 AM
Or maybe it just wasn't relevant. There is nothing that says that Xenomorph will melt Yautja completely, yes minor burns can happen. And you don't know that severe damage will occur if he was splashed.

Yes, we do. The Alien films make this clear and the first AvP film implied it heavily.

Also, Predator blood does not neutralise acid. If nothing else, the AvP comics contradict that and nothing in the movies suggest that's true.

I totally wish I had the ability to do an AvP movie. I'd enter with respect to both sides, and make a fair movie so none of this sh** happens anymore.

If AvP2004 taught us anything, it's that someone will always cry foul.

Quote from: blitz1/2 on Aug 13, 2010, 01:33:48 AM
There is nothing that says that Xenomorph will melt Yautja completely, yes minor burns can happen.

Half your face being melted off isn't "minor".

Quote from: MadassAlex on Aug 13, 2010, 08:33:19 AM
If AvP2004 taught us anything, it's that someone will always cry foul.

Oh yeah, forgot about that ;)

Wolf loses.

Who agrees?

Aye.

At least one sane person in the house.

I try gauge how Wolf would have held up to classic who at the time was in a weakened condition before I figure him into this.  If that's the type of opponent Black has to face in order to score any, then I really can't give him much support.

Quote from: The PredBen on Aug 14, 2010, 04:14:47 AM
Wolf loses.

Who agrees?

Stop trolling. It's not funny. And no, I don't agree, Wolf flatly wins

@madalex: Now here's the ambigious part, the comics and books were made a lot longer before the movies came out. So if you look at it that way, then it is really the movies that aren't "canon".

Well, if we're going by earlier = canon, then that means the comic books are canon and they don't indicate that the Predators have acid-resistant blood.

Wait, whoever said comic books and fiction novels were officially canon? 

No-one did. We're being hypothetical.

Whether you follow the movies or the comic books, Predators don't have any natural acid resistance.

wow BSP did N O T H I N G !!! and you ppl still say he would win the fight?? you ppl must be crazy!!! like how can you say BSP would win?!? seriously!? are we high here? come on what did he do that was so impressive in PREDATORS?? wow he killed a beat down predator ? and killed a human by shooting him in the back? seriously? yea thats a SUPER PREDATOR alright? its weak seriously and then he dies by two humans? WEAK pure WEAK. Wolf deserves to win this hands down. He did more and showed more you guys SERIOUSLY need to WATCH AVP: R again stop HATING on wolf so much, not his fault he was beast in AVP:R and no one took him out like i was saying? I bomb had to kill him! and i would say wolf even took down a Predalien cause if it wasen't for that bomb wolf would of died after the predalien.

WOLF WINS  ;)

Mr. Black. He'd go beserker on Wolfy's ass.

Quotewow BSP did N O T H I N G !!! and you ppl still say he would win the fight?? you ppl must be crazy!!! like how can you say BSP would win?!? seriously!? are we high here? come on what did he do that was so impressive in PREDATORS?? wow he killed a beat down predator ? and killed a human by shooting him in the back? seriously? yea thats a SUPER PREDATOR alright? its weak seriously and then he dies by two humans? WEAK pure WEAK. Wolf deserves to win this hands down. He did more and showed more you guys SERIOUSLY need to WATCH AVP: R again stop HATING on wolf so much, not his fault he was beast in AVP:R and no one took him out like i was saying? I bomb had to kill him! and i would say wolf even took down a Predalien cause if it wasen't for that bomb wolf would of died after the predalien.

WOLF WINS  ;)

I'm getting tired of everyones' bullshit. Wolf is retarded. His moves were incompetent to say the least. He would go to take off his equipment for a fair fight and the BSP would charge hi and tackle him and stab him, or just flat out shoot him with a PC shot.

Maybe people who think Mr Black would win should say why Mr Black would win rather than why Wolf wouldn't. Id like to know what Mr Black had shown in intelligence rather than Wolfs lack of.

Im getting sick of people saying " Mr. Black would win because Wolf was going to shoot two aliens at point blank range ".

Mr Black fell for his own trap of using a dead/dying man rigged with explosives.

Wolf Shooting the 2 aliens point blank could of counted as a kamikaze attack because he was being swarmed. And im pretty sure he knows the consequences as he has already had half of his head melted off. But Mr Black falling for his own trap was embaressing.

And as was stated a few posts above. Mr Black shot an unarmed man from behind. Then was stupid enough to let unarmed man stab the shit out of him. Then he killed a beat down inferior Predator. Then he got smacked around for the next 10 minutes until he got chopped up.

QuoteIm getting sick of people saying " Mr. Black would win because Wolf was going to shoot two aliens at point blank range ".

Thats one of the easiest of his stupid moves to actually reconcile. There's a pile more that people could list for you.

Both of them were retarded.
Wolf has script immunity and shown perfect dumbness.
Black were with 2 other friend hunting jerk and they all got ripped off while they are supposed to be SUPER Predator.

Anytime own the noobzor predator.

Quote from: blitz1/2 on Aug 08, 2010, 04:27:35 AM
Then again, he missed many times with plasma caster, which has more rapid fire. So yea, Mr. Black is much more retarded than Wolf.

Because Wolf didn't repeatedly miss one single Alien at the powerplant with two plasma casters... :P

THe radiation from the plant was screwing up his mask systems. The directors just didnt portay it to well.

...

And how on earth is this inferred or known about?

Quote from: Brian the Wolf on Aug 14, 2010, 07:07:13 PM
THe radiation from the plant was screwing up his mask systems. The directors just didnt portay it to well.

You pulled that one out of your ass.

Quote from: BLAIN on Aug 14, 2010, 06:14:06 PM

QuoteIm getting sick of people saying " Mr. Black would win because Wolf was going to shoot two aliens at point blank range ".

Thats one of the easiest of his stupid moves to actually reconcile. There's a pile more that people could list for you.

Like what Bakureroh said, Mr. Black made more if not, more stupider mistakes than Wolf. So, comparing two's stupidity isn't really much to be debatable.

@Omega: I blame the metal bars, and the warriors were smart, or maybe it was just their pose that allowed them to hide well from the shots.

@Blain: So wat? Mr. Black is a fruitcake compared to Wolf. Wolf would only make take off his equipment if he deemed it a fair fight and given a good opportunity to do so. If Mr. Black had his plasma caster, HELL NO, Wolf wouldn't discard his equipment.

Quote from: blitz1/2 on Aug 14, 2010, 09:17:14 PM
@Omega: I blame the metal bars, and the warriors were smart, or maybe it was just their pose that allowed them to hide well from the shots.

One Alien =/= Multiple targets. Black missed some people, with one caster, through the camp with those structures. Wolf missed one Alien in full light with two casters.

Quote from: OmegaZilla on Aug 14, 2010, 09:20:38 PM

Quote from: blitz1/2 on Aug 14, 2010, 09:17:14 PM
@Omega: I blame the metal bars, and the warriors were smart, or maybe it was just their pose that allowed them to hide well from the shots.

One Alien =/= Multiple targets. Black missed some people, with one caster, through the camp with those structures. Wolf missed one Alien in full light with two casters.

Which scene are u referring to? I need a refresh for this one. Missed one alien in full light? wat?

Not in full day light, but it was fully visible both in our vision and Wolf's.

Quote from: OmegaZilla on Aug 14, 2010, 09:26:37 PM
Not in full day light, but it was fully visible both in our vision and Wolf's.

Um, you haven't answered my question. WHICH scene is this?

The power plant scene.

Power Plant Scene.
Wolf repeatedly missed the Alien in the building, causing the power of Gunnison to go down.

Ninja'd by Alex.

QuoteSo wat? Mr. Black is a fruitcake compared to Wolf. Wolf would only make take off his equipment if he deemed it a fair fight and given a good opportunity to do so. If Mr. Black had his plasma caster, HELL NO, Wolf wouldn't discard his equipment.

And yet he discards his equipment against an alien, which usually doesn't wait for a predator to do something. How is Mr. Black a fruitcake, again? Enlighten me.

Quote from: BLAIN on Aug 14, 2010, 09:38:45 PM
Enlighten me.

*Lights Lighter and tries to grab Blain's clothes*

lol by the way I agree with you. Discarding his equipment in front of the Predalien was the stupidest thing a Predator has ever done in all the films featuring this kind of Monster.

I mean, I'm one of the few people on this site that thinks people hype up the alien to be this invincible monster (which I don't agree with), but I can't by any means say that they aren't deadly as all hell. So when a predator takes off his equipment in front of one, it offends both my predator fan side and my alien fan side, because the predator is made to look stupid and the alien is made to look retarded...why would it not rush him? Although, aliens have been known to do some stupid things, even in the original four movies, but that takes it to a whole new level.

Aliens aren't invincible.
But they aren't that retarded too. The Predalien was standin' here like Zomg lol hes takin teh maskz off!!1! oh thas an ottopus i wantz!!1

^Thors beard that's funny. I actually snorted when I laughed. Snorted. That's just not cool.

Quote from: BLAIN on Aug 14, 2010, 09:43:55 PM
I mean, I'm one of the few people on this site that thinks people hype up the alien to be this invincible monster

Try reading people's posts better, then. No-one says that. :P

Some justifiably claim that a fair few depictions don't do the Alien justice.

Quote from: SiL on Aug 14, 2010, 10:37:44 PM

Quote from: BLAIN on Aug 14, 2010, 09:43:55 PM
I mean, I'm one of the few people on this site that thinks people hype up the alien to be this invincible monster

Try reading people's posts better, then. No-one says that. :P

Oh, trust me, in the "Alien or Predator" thread I read posts of people exxagerating the aliens' bullet-resisting ability to a near invincible level.

Acid blood + healing factor + incredibly resilient skin = incredible bullet resistance, no matter how you slice it.

And I agree with you completely. Its just that people take it a bit too far, to the point where the alien has become superman... :-\

While that IS true, it's almost nothing compared to Wolf's exagerrations of "awesomeness".

Quote from: The Captain on Aug 14, 2010, 09:56:15 PM
^Thors beard that's funny. I actually snorted when I laughed. Snorted. That's just not cool.

Haha :D

Quote from: Sylizar on Aug 15, 2010, 10:31:25 AM
While that IS true, it's almost nothing compared to Wolf's exagerrations of "awesomeness".

You couldn't be more right.

Quote from: OmegaZilla on Aug 14, 2010, 09:40:55 PM

lol by the way I agree with you. Discarding his equipment in front of the Predalien was the stupidest thing a Predator has ever done in all the films featuring this kind of Monster.

He dropped a broken mask, some laser traps, and a Shuriken.... Big deal....

Big deal, that gave the Predalien half a minute to attack. An Alien (a proper one) can do everything in half a minute.
Plus shuriken would have been useful. Oh so useful.

The time taken was pretty bad but I see it as the Predalien showing some of the curiosity Kane's Son had. (not open to debate) Plus the shuriken would most likely have missed the Predalien.

Scar Predator schfwumped a Facehugger and an Alien with a shuriken.
Oh, I forgot. He was a better Predator so the reasonment works.

The Predalien was a fast bastered. Plus I think Scar had more skill with the shuriken because he actually catches them.

Quote from: PredalienXenomorph on Aug 15, 2010, 10:58:25 AM
The Predalien was a fast bastered.

I know. Scar wouldn't miss it, Wolf would. :P

Quote from: PredalienXenomorph on Aug 15, 2010, 10:58:25 AM
Plus I think Scar had more skill with the shuriken because he actually catches them.

What can I say... QFT

Is that Quoted for truth or another use of QFT?

The first. But I'd add that Scar was a better specimen as a whole.

Quote from: Sylizar on Aug 15, 2010, 10:31:25 AM
While that IS true, it's almost nothing compared to Wolf's exagerrations of "awesomeness".

Exactly correct.

Scar sucked.......

Wolfs stats:

Killed 6 humans

killed 13 Aliens

TOTAL kills: 19

Black Super Predator (Mr.black) stats :

Killed 1 human as we know of? (Mombasa and Cuchillo don't really know if that was him)

Killed 1 predator

TOTAL kills: 2 as we know of.


WOLF WINS!!  ;D

That's like the 4th time you've posted that, and it still doesn't prove anything.

proves that Wolf Owns! BSP is a failure  ;D

A few average towns people and a bunch of Aliens that can't tie their own shoes (if they wore any). Not too impressive.

Mr. Black may not have killed as much, but his enemies at least knew how to fight back.

Quote from: PredalienXenomorph on Aug 15, 2010, 10:43:37 AM

Quote from: OmegaZilla on Aug 14, 2010, 09:40:55 PM

lol by the way I agree with you. Discarding his equipment in front of the Predalien was the stupidest thing a Predator has ever done in all the films featuring this kind of Monster.

He dropped a broken mask, some laser traps, and a Shuriken.... Big deal....

If Wolf had turned his back and dropped everything, then yes, I might have agreed with Omega. But the fact is that there was a HUGE distance between and Wolf KEPT his gaze at the Predalien the whole time means that he can pick up his shuriken anytime, or even whip the mask at the predalien to distract him and considering it took 4 seconds for both sides to run at each other means Wolf has time to change tactics if needed.

And the predalien isn't stupid, it won't just charge in even if Wolf is taking his equipment, why? Last time, he got a nice slash across the abdomen for that in the hospital, and Wolf had wiped out most of it's minions as well means that the Predalien won't do anything rash.

If the predalien has SOME mentality of a predator, then it will "accept" Wolf's challenge before rushing in as Wolf charges as well.

@Sylvasar: Even if those humans can fight back, Xenos are harder opponents.

         
Wolfs stats:

Killed 6 humans

killed 13 Aliens

TOTAL kills: 19
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Black Super Predator (Mr.black) stats :

Killed 1 human as we know of? (Mombasa and Cuchillo don't really know if that was him)

Killed 1 predator

TOTAL kills: 2 as we know of.
__________________________________________________________________________________________________

Accept that WOLF WINS  ;D i got nothing wrong against BSP im just saying from what ive seen and reviewed WOLF just SHOWED A LOT MORE!? can someone tell me WHY BSP would WIN this?
WOLF WINS hands down  ;)

Quit posting the same thing over and over.

Quote from: ScarPredator14 on Aug 16, 2010, 02:50:10 AM
         
Wolfs stats:

Killed 6 humans

killed 13 Aliens

TOTAL kills: 19
_________________________________________________________________________________________________
Black Super Predator (Mr.black) stats :

Killed 1 human as we know of? (Mombasa and Cuchillo don't really know if that was him)

Killed 1 predator

TOTAL kills: 2 as we know of.
__________________________________________________________________________________________________

Accept that WOLF WINS  ;D i got nothing wrong against BSP im just saying from what ive seen and reviewed WOLF just SHOWED A LOT MORE!? can someone tell me WHY BSP would WIN this?
WOLF WINS hands down  ;)

Well, it just shows that Wolf has more kills (competent opponents or not), but like I said, Xenos are tougher opponents.

But I think we are all biased in one way or another. Frankly, I admit I was a bit biased against BSP because to me, it just seemed like the director just arrogantly said, "Well my movie is more canon than P2, and my preds can beat your preds (classics) without any trouble." (and only to be p'wned by HIS main characters).  Again, it seemed a bit of a pred version of a Mary sue.

Wolf's " 6 human kills" are really 4.

1 - The cop.
2 - Karl ( Extended/Unrated version only.)
3&4 - Two Drugheads.

His other two human kills ( Jesse and Dale) were accidental.

4 kills 6 kills wouldn't really matter?? still more then BSP and the way WOLF kills the cop he would of done that too all the humans on PREDATORS no doubt. but all im trying to say is that WOLF just completely out classes BSP by a long shot like no one can even tell me one good reason why BSP would win? and just being strong? really that's it? wolf is strong too he lifted 2 xenos out the water. The only thing that BSP got on WOLF is probably size thats bout it anything else WOLF owns.

Wolf kept his turning his cloak off, BSP didn't. BSP could see him a mile off and blast him to bits.

BSP would miss the shot lol

Quote from: DJ Pussyface on Aug 16, 2010, 06:55:56 AM
Wolf kept his turning his cloak off, BSP didn't. BSP could see him a mile off and blast him to bits.

Doesn't thermal vision counter the cloak anyway?

Either way you guys put it, this Wolf dude gave time to his opponent. Experienced Fighters never do. The Predalien could have schfwumped him big time if it wanted to.

the thing is that it never happened

Or that it has any true relivance to this fight.

And we all know that. But with this action (giving time to an opponent, I don't care if it is mentally deficient) we can discard the "experienced" adjective from Wolf's list, that's the freakin' point from the whole start. Experienced Fighters don't give time to be attacked, especially if one is dealing with a (supposed) alien organism that is one tough son of a b*tch.

Quote from: OmegaZilla on Aug 16, 2010, 07:32:46 AM
And we all know that. But with this action (giving time to an opponent, I don't care if it is mentally deficient) we can discard the "experienced" adjective from Wolf's list, that's the freakin' point from the whole start. Experienced Fighters don't give time to be attacked, especially if one is dealing with a (supposed) alien organism that is one tough son of a b*tch.

I guess that also means that Anytime or Jungle Hunter is not experienced either if you put it that way.

Quote from: blitz1/2 on Aug 16, 2010, 06:09:41 PM

Quote from: OmegaZilla on Aug 16, 2010, 07:32:46 AM
And we all know that. But with this action (giving time to an opponent, I don't care if it is mentally deficient) we can discard the "experienced" adjective from Wolf's list, that's the freakin' point from the whole start. Experienced Fighters don't give time to be attacked, especially if one is dealing with a (supposed) alien organism that is one tough son of a b*tch.

I guess that also means that Anytime or Jungle Hunter is not experienced either if you put it that way.

Except Dutch and Mike were weak and wounded and had no way of fighting back. The alien had dominated and is stronger than Wolf. So, this scene portrays both species as stupid, because why would the clearly non-handicapped predalien not rush him while he's taking his equipment off? Retarded creatures. Or, should I say, retarded directors.

Quote from: blitz1/2 on Aug 16, 2010, 06:09:41 PM
I guess that also means that Anytime or Jungle Hunter is not experienced either if you put it that way.

As BLAIn said above me, both Dutch and Harrigan were tired and wounded, while the Predalien was, literally, at full force.

Indeed.

The PredAlien was unwounded and not to mention stronger then Wolf. Dutch and Harrigan were weaker then the Predator and wounded.

So that point is null.

Quote from: The PredBen on Aug 16, 2010, 07:02:17 PM
Indeed.

The PredAlien was unwounded and not to mention stronger then Wolf. Dutch and Harrigan were weaker then the Predator and wounded.

So that point is null.

The Predalien was wounded, it got slashed across the abdomen by wrist blades, and stabbed somewhere in the upper chest with the Combi-stick.

@Blain: They still could fight back, and Dutch wasn't really that wounded, just a slight cut and bit exhausted. He managed to swing a fist at the pred as well as have the energy to attempt to run away, so your point is mute.

Quote
@Blain: They still could fight back, and Dutch wasn't really that wounded, just a slight cut and bit exhausted. He managed to swing a fist at the pred as well as have the energy to attempt to run away, so your point is mute.

The predator punched the shit out of Dutch and was standing over a weaponless, exhausted man who had no way of fighting back and was in no way capable of retreat, with the predator covering his front and the tree blocking his behind. So Dutch couldn't have done anything BUT kick out the tree. And my point is moot, not mute. If it was mute, you wouldn't have been able to read it.  :D

Quote from: BLAIN on Aug 16, 2010, 08:58:59 PM

Quote
@Blain: They still could fight back, and Dutch wasn't really that wounded, just a slight cut and bit exhausted. He managed to swing a fist at the pred as well as have the energy to attempt to run away, so your point is mute.

The predator punched the shit out of Dutch and was standing over a weaponless, exhausted man who had no way of fighting back and was in no way capable of retreat, with the predator covering his front and the tree blocking his behind. So Dutch couldn't have done anything BUT kick out the tree. And my point is moot, not mute. If it was mute, you wouldn't have been able to read it.  :D

Whatever....Spelling smelling, the Predator punched the shit out of Dutch AFTER discarding the equipment, not before. So again, comparison with Predalien, it's the same. It's either you admit both Anytime and Wolf are honorable skilled warriors, or you declare them both as tards, pick your poison.

Quote from: blitz1/2 on Aug 16, 2010, 08:00:32 PM

Quote from: The PredBen on Aug 16, 2010, 07:02:17 PM
Indeed.

The PredAlien was unwounded and not to mention stronger then Wolf. Dutch and Harrigan were weaker then the Predator and wounded.

So that point is null.

The Predalien was wounded, it got slashed across the abdomen by wrist blades, and stabbed somewhere in the upper chest with the Combi-stick.

Barely even flesh wounds for a Xeno. Trust me, there was no way it WASN'T at full strength. Wolf just fails, that's all.

Quote from: Sylizar on Aug 16, 2010, 10:06:18 PM

Quote from: blitz1/2 on Aug 16, 2010, 08:00:32 PM

Quote from: The PredBen on Aug 16, 2010, 07:02:17 PM
Indeed.

The PredAlien was unwounded and not to mention stronger then Wolf. Dutch and Harrigan were weaker then the Predator and wounded.

So that point is null.

The Predalien was wounded, it got slashed across the abdomen by wrist blades, and stabbed somewhere in the upper chest with the Combi-stick.

Barely even flesh wounds for a Xeno. Trust me, there was no way it WASN'T at full strength. Wolf just fails, that's all.

That's clearly your opinion. Barely even flesh wounds, what was that quote, oh yea. "Tis a scratch" lol. I bet all those plasma blasted aliens were only unconscious thinking, "It's only a mosquito bite, even though I have a hole in me, it's nothing."

A slash and a stab can regenerated, simple.

And nowhere did I mention the Plasmacaster. Don't take quotes out of their respected boundaries.

Quote from: Sylizar on Aug 16, 2010, 10:26:22 PM
A slash and a stab can regenerated, simple.

And nowhere did I mention the Plasmacaster. Don't take quotes out of their respected boundaries.

The slash may take some time to heal, I doubt it would take (I don't know, 30ish min to heal) or that Combi stick wound which was inflicted VERY recently, and if it was nothing, why would the predalien yelp in pain, then clearly it was just a feint for Wolf to come closer then >_>

@Sylizar: And Mr. Black fails just as much, if not more. I don't see many people pointing out his faults (which you can find many), again, proof of bias.

Of course Black has faults, they're just not as obvious as Wolf's. I mean Black did some "dumb" things, but nothing he does compares to lifting two Aliens up by the neck and attempting to blast them at close range.

And it's been a while since I watched AVP:R, so I don't remember when or how the wounds occured, but I know they're the type that the Alien CAN heal. Whether he did or not in the alloted time is up to debate.

And just to add. Black may have killed more than that guy's list points out.

Re: Alien regeneration.

Grid healed from his wounds remarkably quickly. The facehugger from Alien closed its wound nigh-instantly and Ripley from Alien: Resurrection closed the knife wound in her hand in seconds.

Aliens pretty much have a constant healing factor. Unless you destroy vital parts of the Alien, any damage you do counts for about nil.

Quote from: MadassAlex on Aug 16, 2010, 10:53:39 PM
Re: Alien regeneration.

Grid healed from his wounds remarkably quickly. The facehugger from Alien closed its wound nigh-instantly and Ripley from Alien: Resurrection closed the knife wound in her hand in seconds.

Aliens pretty much have a constant healing factor. Unless you destroy vital parts of the Alien, any damage you do counts for about nil.

They have a constant, but having a speed that much is pretty much ridiculous, then I don't see why even the Alien that Lex had stabbed had fully healed itself even when dead (assuming blood still clots after death) or Grid, the wounds are still there, they aren't closed (but it's just that there is no blood leaking out).

Scar tissue.

As for the Alien Lex killed, it may have been because the spear's presence prevented regeneration.

aliens arent wolverine, their blood clots really fast, but because they dont have skin their exoskeletons dont regenerate for a long time, like a human wound.

Except evidence from the films show that Aliens basically are Wolverine.

If not something worse to fight.

Idk until i see actually see some evidence of BSP actually killing other things (comics, novels, ect.)then maybe ill be convinced that he could beat wolf other then that all I know about BSP is that he didn't do much in Predators besides killing a already beat down classic Pred. but for now i would give it to wolf i dont care how stupid ppl make him out to be but you cant say he didn't do more then BSP. Clearly shows that Wolf is more of a complete Pred then BSP. And why is everyone still complaining about him taking of his gear? why dont we talk about the Predalien just standing there and not attacking? so if  thats the case it makes the predalien look dumb too ? but either way everyone has there own opinions about the Preds. just thought to share mine once more. and another thing maybe Wolf was overwhelmed by the aliens in the sewer and by grabbing the two Aliens by the neck and shooting was a honorable death? idk cause maybe he was thinking that if im ganna die im taking two of you F*#@ers with me. just a thought

It doesn't matter how much you kill.
It matters what and how you kill.

And yes the Predalien was dumb not attacking while in half a minute wolf was strip-teasing.

Quote from: OmegaZilla on Aug 17, 2010, 01:44:07 PM
And yes the Predalien was dumb not attacking while in half a minute wolf was strip-teasing.

I'm starting to think it inherited a grain of the so-called 'Predator honour' and deliberately waited for Wolf to finish getting undressed so they could battle for honour and glory.

Or something equally shitty like that.

Alien... with honor?

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Quote from: Hive Tyrant on Aug 17, 2010, 01:46:28 PM

Quote from: OmegaZilla on Aug 17, 2010, 01:44:07 PM
And yes the Predalien was dumb not attacking while in half a minute wolf was strip-teasing.

I'm starting to think it inherited a grain of the so-called 'Predator honour' and deliberately waited for Wolf to finish getting undressed so they could battle for honour and glory.

Or something equally shitty like that.

That is probably what the Brothers' intended...which is, as you stated, shitty. And stupid and dumb and not fitting into canon.

Isn't this Subject about WOLF vs BSP?? not rambling on about how wolf was strip teasing? and how dumb ppl think he is? can we just stick to the subject ppl thank you  ;D

If you read the ADI AVPR book, there was originally a scene when wolf enters the crashed ship and discovers a bunch of skinned predators hanging from the roof. And yes the brothers wanted the predalien to act with honor like the predators.

Quote from: Brian the Wolf on Aug 19, 2010, 01:20:28 AM
If you read the ADI AVPR book, there was originally a scene when wolf enters the crashed ship and discovers a bunch of skinned predators hanging from the roof. And yes the brothers wanted the predalien to act with honor like the predators.

It was more of FOX's fault.

The predalien also rips out the cooks spine, like a predator, Back to the main argument,

Wolf and Black would slug it out, and depending on the circumstances either would win, because neither was shown to be more speacial then the other.

The BSP's arent very super, just different.

Wolf- stupid wrestling, failure at finding but success in tracking his prey, shoving his back to lethal opponent and showing high level of incompetence in combat

Bsp- stupid wrestling, partial success at tracking and finding prey, showing back to lethal opponent, high level of incompetence in combat

Wolf has dual shoulder canon, which is faster than the plasma minigun. Wolf would win. Otherwise dunno, they both are bad hunters as I see.

Neither were good.

Wolf was given dumb aliens who didn't use their bodyparts correctly. The BSP ( Mr.Black) had armed , intelligent humans , who took advantage of what they could.

So his failure is slightly less then Wolfs.

BSP wins.

Wolf he seems to have a lot of experience and he's a tough fighter too.

Mr black would win because he's not going to pull his punch when he gets the drop on Wolf like the Predalien did and he's sure as shit isn't going to go limp once Wolf grabs him by the neck.

Both Predators die when the environment implodes from the mind-numbing concentration of incompetence.

Totally the truth.

Wolf was either an experienced hunter or a very lucky one, his scars and his ship evidence that, he also seemed to have method

however, maybe it was just a bad day, perhaps he was sick or something, he didnt really succed in AVP-R, started well but ended badly..... most likely another cleaner had to be sent to clean wolfs mess...

he had some clever stalking habilities, and sneaking on aliens isnt easy (ok, these aliens were turds but still....), so i say that in techniques he is superior to "classic 2"

on the other hand, classic obviously fought BSPs before, and he lost... but maybe wolf also did we dont know at all....

Mr.Black had learned a lot from watching his prey, efectively studying them, wolf probably knew from experience not studys.... so Mr.Black probably had strategy on his side

Mr.Black as Strenght on his side too, but technologically wolf had some neat stuff that would give him advantage probably...

so....

Strenght - Mr.Black
Strategy - Mr.Black
Experience - Wolf, or maybe a tie
Technology - Wolf, or maybe a tie
Method - Wolf
Physical Damage Resistance - Mr.Black


probably they would both die.... depends more on luck and circunstance!