https://magicmenagerie.wordpress.com/2016/10/12/my-pop-life-171-praying-for-time-george-michael/
About halfway down, talking about his time filming Alien 3. I haven't read it yet but from what I've gathered it's a nice, honest take. Via CdL on Twitter.
Very candid and a very enlightening read! Didn't realize (or forgot!) that Sigourney was giving everyone such a hard time on the shoot!
Wow, is the stuff with Sigourney serious? I can't imagine her being that much of a jerk.
Wow, nice find, man. Can't wait to read through this.
Very cool read that was! Kudos on the find and sharing! Had a laugh at the "Hey! It occurs to me maybe she wants to f**k me!"
In some ways the revisions provided more of a character arc, admittedly turning him from your average every man to a low IQ comic relief may have been a let down for him. But the arc shows someone who's affiliated with the company, sees the error of their ways and rebels.
In Alien, Ash who we discover is a droid, robotic soulless company drone spying for the company to ensure the capture of the Alien regardless crew survives. Though he conveys a form of pity to the crew. "I can't lie to you about your chances but you have my sympathies."
In Aliens Burke is a company member who at first seems innocent reveals, he's human, relatible, has a job on the stake, he appears as he says "I work for the company but don't let that worry you I'm really an ok guy."
Until he reveals his true intentions wanting to obtain Alien specimens as the cost of Ripley, Newt and the Marines lives. He flees cowardly shutting the door on Ripley only to end up taken by the Aliens, in a deleted scene Ripley finds the cocooned Burke who's been impregnated and she gives him a grenade as a mercy killing.
With Aaron he's a staff working for the company approval of their intentions as long as he gets out alive he has a wife and a kid to go back home to afterall. However when witnessing first hand the extent of how evil they're are, lying to Ripley about performing surgery to remove the Alien embryo to save her, shooting Morse in the leg for intervening, he rebels hitting Michael Bishop (Or Bishop II as credited) in the head, mistaking him for a droid,
His rebellion costs him his life but shows a form of redemption after his alliance with the evil Weyland Yutani company. That's an interesting arc, too bad they dumb down his character
Amazing rare find.
Alien 3, as far as an alien film, was heading in the right direction. The films needed to be different in order to keep it fresh and innovative. Alien was horror, aliens was action. Alien 3, in my opinion,was supposed to be philosophical/spiritual, but failed. i feel like Prometheus attempted this and half succeeded/ half failed. Now they are heading back to horror with alien covenant. Maybe in the future, possibly alien 5, 6, or 7 philosophy/spirituality can be introduced and hopefully properly executed.
Alien 3 is an important film in that it teaches us what went wrong, and what not to do, and what to do, in the future.
Its was a fantastic read. Cant believe that about Sigourney though
It's likely Sigourney was just winding everybody up for the sake of character.
Wow... I knew there was a bad mood during the production, but that paints an even darker picture of it.
Do wonder if Fincher, being such a fan of the first film, had asked Weaver to do what Kotto did to her on set. Haven't heard anything about that being the case, though, which makes me wonder if she was just feeling very bitter in general, because of what was happening. Even if she was, that was no excuse... But at least she apparently made an apology.
Crazy. I'd shell out some $$$ for a book of inside accounts like this from Alien 3. The Veronica Cartwright comments are a little... befuddling? The stuff about Sigourney certainly seems to jive with some of Paul McGann's comments about her in the documentary. :D
I once heard this story years ago, related to Alien 3 that Reason why Hicks and Newt got killed off was because Weaver wanted all of the star power and she didn't like That Michael Biehn's character was becoming so popular.
That's what i was told. But who knows.
I'm not sure Weaver had even committed when Ward decided to kill them off.
I guess Sigourney was anxious about the whole production itself and nervous about everything and Fox amatourish way of producing the movie. Plus...what if she just didnt like the actor? Nobody could like everyone. Thats just the way it is imo.
By the way Sigourney is right about Aron's costume and hair. Its all about the immersion.
Great read! Gives a rare insight to a troubled production. Seems like the stress levels were through the roof of most involved.
Definitely be giving this a read. Brown's comments in some of the old making-ofs were gold :)
Quote from: SM on Oct 15, 2016, 05:50:51 AMI'm not sure Weaver had even committed when Ward decided to kill them off.
Ward's script is all about Ripley, they must have known she was on-board at that point.
They'd already been through several scripts that didn't have her because she wasn't interested.
Lol. Sigourney didn't want any stars in the film. How dare you, girl. Fox would've shelled out some dough for them, but you made me endure a bunch of theater no-names?
Well, thank you? Ick.
Quote from: Bad Replicant on Oct 15, 2016, 02:54:04 AM
Crazy. I'd shell out some $$$ for a book of inside accounts like this from Alien 3. The Veronica Cartwright comments are a little... befuddling? The stuff about Sigourney certainly seems to jive with some of Paul McGann's comments about her in the documentary. :D
What'd Paul say?
Quote from: BishopShouldGo on Oct 15, 2016, 03:15:54 PM
Lol. Sigourney didn't want any stars in the film. How dare you, girl. Fox would've shelled out some dough for them, but you made me endure a bunch of theater no-names?
Well, thank you? Ick.
Alien 3 starring Tom Cruise, Kevin Costner, Harrison Ford & Mel Gibson. Box office gold. :D
Much better. :)
Quote from: Guts on Oct 15, 2016, 03:23:59 AM
I once heard this story years ago, related to Alien 3 that Reason why Hicks and Newt got killed off was because Weaver wanted all of the star power and she didn't like That Michael Biehn's character was becoming so popular.
That's what i was told. But who knows.
She's also the reason there were no guns.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Oct 15, 2016, 05:36:15 PM
Quote from: Guts on Oct 15, 2016, 03:23:59 AM
I once heard this story years ago, related to Alien 3 that Reason why Hicks and Newt got killed off was because Weaver wanted all of the star power and she didn't like That Michael Biehn's character was becoming so popular.
That's what i was told. But who knows.
She's also the reason there were no guns.
A good decision as well. It robs the threat if you can just shoot an alien with a gun.
Quote from: BishopShouldGo on Oct 15, 2016, 03:15:54 PM
What'd Paul say?
Nothing too direct, but I believe he references her air of authority on set, and being able to give as good as she got. He also comments that it seemed like she might've had a bit of a distaste for the filmmaking process vs. theater work, though he frames it all pretty fondly.
Quote from: Scorpio on Oct 15, 2016, 06:40:58 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Oct 15, 2016, 05:36:15 PM
Quote from: Guts on Oct 15, 2016, 03:23:59 AM
I once heard this story years ago, related to Alien 3 that Reason why Hicks and Newt got killed off was because Weaver wanted all of the star power and she didn't like That Michael Biehn's character was becoming so popular.
That's what i was told. But who knows.
She's also the reason there were no guns.
A good decision as well. It robs the threat if you can just shoot an alien with a gun.
Did you see Aliens? Did you read the William Gibson scripts?
Quote from: Bad Replicant on Oct 15, 2016, 02:54:04 AM
Crazy. I'd shell out some $$$ for a book of inside accounts like this from Alien 3. The Veronica Cartwright comments are a little... befuddling? The stuff about Sigourney certainly seems to jive with some of Paul McGann's comments about her in the documentary. :D
I think that's to do with Sigourney replacing Veronica in the role of Ripley. Have heard some personal issues were allegedly going on behind the scenes which contributed to that taking place, which would seem to line up with these other comments.
Quote from: Scorpio on Oct 15, 2016, 06:40:58 PM
A good decision as well. It robs the threat if you can just shoot an alien with a gun.
As '
Aliens' showed, that's what acid and a conveniantly sudden lack of ammunition is for.
No reason they couldn't have gone back to the formula of '
Alien' and set it aboard a space station for much the same reason. '
Alien 3' doesn't really gain anything by being set on a planet.
There was a lot of strain between the actors on Alien, and I suspect enmity between Cartwright and Weaver. Nothing malicious, but Cartwright has spoken about there being politicking around Weaver because she was something of royalty given her background. Plus the fact that Cartwright read for the part of Ripley, only to find she was Lambert once arriving in England.
Weaver's digs in the article remind me of some things she said filming Alien. Ian Holm and Ridley mentioned that one day, as Ridley rolled into the studio in his Rolls Royce, Weaver quipped, "Nice car. Did your dad buy it for you?" The comment really irked Scott, but Holm seemed to observe that she was yanking Scott's chain, having recognised him as being self-made and proud of it.
Quote from: Mr. Clemens on Oct 14, 2016, 10:02:00 PM
It's likely Sigourney was just winding everybody up for the sake of character.
I was wondering if this was the case; because she refers to him by his character name. She may be trying to create a bit of tension so it comes off on screen later. But I dunno.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Oct 15, 2016, 07:37:11 PM
Quote from: Scorpio on Oct 15, 2016, 06:40:58 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Oct 15, 2016, 05:36:15 PM
Quote from: Guts on Oct 15, 2016, 03:23:59 AM
I once heard this story years ago, related to Alien 3 that Reason why Hicks and Newt got killed off was because Weaver wanted all of the star power and she didn't like That Michael Biehn's character was becoming so popular.
That's what i was told. But who knows.
She's also the reason there were no guns.
A good decision as well. It robs the threat if you can just shoot an alien with a gun.
Did you see Aliens?
Yeah, and dozens of aliens get mowed down, makes for good action but less suspenseful. The most suspenseful scene in Aliens was the facehugger scene because Ripley didn't have a gun.
QuoteWard's script is all about Ripley, they must have known she was on-board at that point.
They'd already been through several scripts that didn't have her because she wasn't interested.
Yeah but I'm talking about sequence of events. Brandywine may have asked Ward to pitch without a commitment from Weaver, then she committed after hearing what they were thinking of doing. Maybe.
That's sad and annoying to hear about Sigourney Weaver. At least she apologised though.
On another note, I don't think the character of Aaron is at all brought down by his lack of intelligence and I never saw him as comic relief. He's less aggressive but he gets tense and scared so I'm not sure where the comedy really is there with that character. I like that he's less intelligent as that's a key part of his character and it makes a point that he's one of the last ones to survive and only doesn't because he bravely sacrificed himself.
BishopShouldGo -
Quoteyou made me endure a bunch of theater no-names?
Were the actors not "no-names" I don't think it would have worked nearly as well as you'd lose immersion.
Xenomorphine -
QuoteNo reason they couldn't have gone back to the formula of 'Alien' and set it aboard a space station for much the same reason. 'Alien 3' doesn't really gain anything by being set on a planet.
I think 'Alien 3' being set on a planet makes it more interesting... well not necessarily a planet but the planet. Firstly, I think it could have come across as a lesser version of the original were it set on a spaceship; and secondly, putting your thoughts on the overall quality aside, do you not think the set design of the film is great? Something I like about the 'Alien' franchise is that each film has a different tone and feel while still feeling like part of the same story (which is one problem of 'Prometheus' - it doesn't have that feel). I think 'Alien 3' looks great and I really like the prison concept it went with.
Scorpio -
QuoteThe most suspenseful scene in Aliens was the facehugger scene because Ripley didn't have a gun.
Not to disagree but that scene does have the advantage of being longer. The motion tracker distance countdown scene is suspenseful. As is actually, the chase scene towards the end (the Queen chasing Ripley). And actually, the scene where the marines first enter the hive.
^ See this is why I disagree with the comment some people make that 'Aliens' is just a shoot-em-up with explosions and stuff. Aliens are killed but there is a load of suspense in that film.
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Oct 15, 2016, 09:43:34 PM
I think that's to do with Sigourney replacing Veronica in the role of Ripley. Have heard some personal issues were allegedly going on behind the scenes which contributed to that taking place, which would seem to line up with these other comments.
Quote from: Valaquen on Oct 15, 2016, 09:55:22 PM
Weaver's digs in the article remind me of some things she said filming Alien. Ian Holm and Ridley mentioned that one day, as Ridley rolled into the studio in his Rolls Royce, Weaver quipped, "Nice car. Did your dad buy it for you?" The comment really irked Scott, but Holm seemed to observe that she was yanking Scott's chain, having recognised him as being self-made and proud of it.
She
bad.
Quote from: BishopShouldGo on Oct 15, 2016, 03:15:54 PM...a bunch of theater no-names?
They my not have been well-known in the States, but there are quite a few famous British faces in there. Guys like Pete Postlethwaite and Paul McGann have been in tons of things here.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Oct 15, 2016, 07:37:11 PMDid you read the William Gibson scripts?
Gibson's first script is over-the-top
Aliens fan-wank in the worst possible way. His second attempt, where he basically takes away all the guns and shooting, is infinitely superior.
Quote from: SM on Oct 16, 2016, 01:59:27 AMYeah but I'm talking about sequence of events. Brandywine may have asked Ward to pitch without a commitment from Weaver, then she committed after hearing what they were thinking of doing. Maybe.
Fair enough. Admittedly I've no idea what came first, the script or the actress, just thinking out loud.
Interesting read, the bit about shaving his chest was funny. :D
Quote from: PsyKore on Oct 16, 2016, 01:14:59 AM
Quote from: Mr. Clemens on Oct 14, 2016, 10:02:00 PM
It's likely Sigourney was just winding everybody up for the sake of character.
I was wondering if this was the case; because she refers to him by his character name. She may be trying to create a bit of tension so it comes off on screen later. But I dunno.
No wonder there's so many F-words in the film! ;)
Talking about Alien 3 and George Michael is getting me hot. ;)
His multiple deaths were interesting to read about, poor 85.
Quote from: SM on Oct 16, 2016, 01:59:27 AM
QuoteWard's script is all about Ripley, they must have known she was on-board at that point.
They'd already been through several scripts that didn't have her because she wasn't interested.
Yeah but I'm talking about sequence of events. Brandywine may have asked Ward to pitch without a commitment from Weaver, then she committed after hearing what they were thinking of doing. Maybe.
Weaver first came onboard when Twohy was writing his script. He was asked to rewrite his screenplay with Ripley as the lead and met Sigourney to get her ideas. But a spanner was thrown into the works when the director Renny Harlin walked because he didn't want to do the 'prison ship' idea Twohy had. Brandywine found Vincent Ward, and when Ward came onboard he wanted to write the script, so Twohy was let go.
That's the story as I've been able to ascertain. I have an e-mail from Twohy where he talked about meeting Weaver to put the Ripley character into the prison ship scenario. I'll try and dig it out.
I liked this guy's character. At least he ended up with a decently heroic death.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Oct 16, 2016, 04:10:05 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Oct 15, 2016, 07:37:11 PMDid you read the William Gibson scripts?
Gibson's first script is over-the-top Aliens fan-wank in the worst possible way. His second attempt, where he basically takes away all the guns and shooting, is infinitely superior.
Oh, I agree. I just think the opinion that an Alien movie can't be suspenseful if the characters have guns is silly. Hell, Aliens is one of the most suspenseful movies I've ever seen. Like Roger Ebert said in his review of it (http://www.rogerebert.com/reviews/aliens-1986):
QuoteI don't know how else to describe this: The movie made me feel bad. It filled me with feelings of unease and disquiet and anxiety. I walked outside and I didn't want to talk to anyone. I was drained. I'm not sure "Aliens" is what we mean by entertainment. Yet I have to be accurate about this movie: It is a superb example of filmmaking craft.
Alien 3, on the other hand, lacked any suspense at all.
Quote from: Valaquen on Oct 16, 2016, 06:19:00 PM
Quote from: SM on Oct 16, 2016, 01:59:27 AM
QuoteWard's script is all about Ripley, they must have known she was on-board at that point.
They'd already been through several scripts that didn't have her because she wasn't interested.
Yeah but I'm talking about sequence of events. Brandywine may have asked Ward to pitch without a commitment from Weaver, then she committed after hearing what they were thinking of doing. Maybe.
Weaver first came onboard when Twohy was writing his script. He was asked to rewrite his screenplay with Ripley as the lead and met Sigourney to get her ideas. But a spanner was thrown into the works when the director Renny Harlin walked because he didn't want to do the 'prison ship' idea Twohy had. Brandywine found Vincent Ward, and when Ward came onboard he wanted to write the script, so Twohy was let go.
That's the story as I've been able to ascertain. I have an e-mail from Twohy where he talked about meeting Weaver to put the Ripley character into the prison ship scenario. I'll try and dig it out.
Cheers. I figured you'd know how it went down. :)
I tried to watch Alien 3 again..until I remembered those nut cases running around and screaming for half the movie. With their part monk part prison rags and black teeth lol. Just couldn't do it, will try and watch the special extended version next week.
It mostly helps somewhat, actually, leastly. Lestly? Leastly? What Is that the opposite of mostly?
Eastern standard time it just turned to October 17th, today was meant to be the scheduled of Shane Black's The Predator to begin filming, but due to the delays in casting actors for the roles it will probably delay the production later pushing the film release to summer of 2018.
Quote from: Nostromo on Oct 16, 2016, 09:53:41 PM
I tried to watch Alien 3 again..until I remember those nut cases running screaming for half the movie.
Aside from the bait and chase sequence, there might be five minutes max of the
Quotenut cases running screaming.
The extended has even more nutcases running screaming...
Sigourney Weaver sounds like someone with a really bad sense of humour.
Quote from: SM on Oct 16, 2016, 11:54:09 PM
The extended has even more nutcases running screaming...
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.scified.com%2Farticles%2Fthe-opening-sequence-of-alien-iii-just-what-the-hell-is-going-on-here-44.jpg&hash=48bd9c5017bd58f5ba37242d109dcb5aaa85491f)
What's that mean?
Is there an extended version that has less nutcases screaming?
Na, just a frustrated Fincher. :P
Yea I didn't find there was all that much of screaming nutcases until all the chase stuff at the end. Before that, just a lot of yelling swear words but I enjoy Alien 3 a lot.
Quote from: FiorinaFury161 on Oct 17, 2016, 03:20:55 AM
Na, just a frustrated Fincher. :P
Really should be a mandatory inclusion in any Alien 3-related thread.
Quote from: Nostromo on Oct 16, 2016, 09:53:41 PM
I tried to watch Alien 3 again..until I remembered those nut cases running around and screaming for half the movie. With their part monk part prison rags and black teeth lol. Just couldn't do it, will try and watch the special extended version next week.
It mostly helps somewhat, actually, leastly. Lestly? Leastly? What Is that the opposite of mostly?
I corrected my post, it was filled with quick phone typos. Is it the special or extended or exterminated version? The longer version. With the dog alien chestburster that comes out of a bull and the beehive under the stairs.
Quote from: FiorinaFury161 on Oct 17, 2016, 02:18:53 AM
Quote from: SM on Oct 16, 2016, 11:54:09 PM
The extended has even more nutcases running screaming...
http://www.scified.com/articles/the-opening-sequence-of-alien-iii-just-what-the-hell-is-going-on-here-44.jpg
lol, why?
Quote from: Valaquen on Oct 16, 2016, 06:19:00 PM
I have an e-mail from Twohy where he talked about meeting Weaver to put the Ripley character into the prison ship scenario. I'll try and dig it out.
Please do. I can't recall really seeing Twohy talk too much about his time on the production.
Quote from: SiL on Oct 17, 2016, 12:46:48 AM
Sigourney Weaver sounds like someone with a really bad sense of humour.
It really does, doesn't it? It'd be pretty funny is everyone's issues with her came down to not understanding her sense of humour. So many people go on about how lovely a woman she is that it seems almost out of character for these complaints.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Oct 17, 2016, 08:32:41 AM
It really does, doesn't it? It'd be pretty funny is everyone's issues with her came down to not understanding her sense of humour. So many people go on about how lovely a woman she is that it seems almost out of character for these complaints.
You'd be surprised to see how people react 12 weeks confined together :D
It's probably the greatest miracle / hell cinema is capable of producing.
Ain't nothing to share 10 hours a day in a 5 meters² set with someone who hasn't brush his tooth.
Then add a bit of ego, disappointing pay, last minute change, disgusting food of the day, horrible hotel, social group differences, shake it very hard and voilà !
It's hard to forget something happens behind the camera ;)
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Oct 17, 2016, 08:32:41 AM
Quote from: Valaquen on Oct 16, 2016, 06:19:00 PM
I have an e-mail from Twohy where he talked about meeting Weaver to put the Ripley character into the prison ship scenario. I'll try and dig it out.
Please do. I can't recall really seeing Twohy talk too much about his time on the production.
Here we are, for you and SM:
Spoiler
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1195.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Faa388%2FValaquen%2Ftwohy.png&hash=8b3cb50bc76cff79b1581748dd8b5b5193440077) (http://s1195.photobucket.com/user/Valaquen/media/twohy.png.html)
So? Vincent Ward is to blame? for killing Newt/Hicks off.
I still was a stupid idea and it took like 20 years for somebody to come along and attempt to retcon it canonically.
Quote from: Guts on Oct 18, 2016, 06:10:38 AMSo? Vincent Ward is to blame? for killing Newt/Hicks off.
Well it was his story that eventually evolved into the film, but he wasn't the first to do it.
Quote from: Valaquen on Oct 17, 2016, 11:30:49 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Oct 17, 2016, 08:32:41 AM
Quote from: Valaquen on Oct 16, 2016, 06:19:00 PM
I have an e-mail from Twohy where he talked about meeting Weaver to put the Ripley character into the prison ship scenario. I'll try and dig it out.
Please do. I can't recall really seeing Twohy talk too much about his time on the production.
Here we are, for you and SM:
Spoiler
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1195.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Faa388%2FValaquen%2Ftwohy.png&hash=8b3cb50bc76cff79b1581748dd8b5b5193440077) (http://s1195.photobucket.com/user/Valaquen/media/twohy.png.html)
Thanks! Did you ask if he had his WIP 2nd draft still?
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Oct 18, 2016, 08:19:53 AM
Quote from: Guts on Oct 18, 2016, 06:10:38 AMSo? Vincent Ward is to blame? for killing Newt/Hicks off.
Well it was his story that eventually evolved into the film, but he wasn't the first to do it.
Eric Red's featured a ghost ship Sulaco if that counts as killing off the crew, but Ward was the first to step forward and say he wanted Newt dead (she annoyed him), so he wrote it in.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Oct 18, 2016, 08:34:18 AM
Thanks! Did you ask if he had his WIP 2nd draft still?
No, that's all I managed at the time. I was researching his script and got sidetracked... I'm still sidetracked :laugh:
Quote from: Valaquen on Oct 18, 2016, 09:56:24 AMEric Red's featured a ghost ship Sulaco if that counts as killing off the crew, but Ward was the first to step forward and say he wanted Newt dead (she annoyed him), so he wrote it in.
To be fair, Ward's "writing it in" consists of little more than Ripley arriving on the planet, already alone, and saying, "Yeah, they died," which to me is hardly more conclusive than Red and Twohy offing them all before the story starts. Although I guess to be fair it's more implied with them.
So Twohy's second draft is another script to add to my Alien 3 hunt lol.
I remember reading that the studio's told Twohy that he was writing for 3 and then when Ward came on board, they changed and said, whoever had their script finished first would be 3 and the second one would be 4 lol. Then he heard nothing once he handed it in, so took the money and ran lol
The story I heard is Fox kept assuring Twohy that Ward was in fact working on a script for a fourth film (which obviously he wasn't). When Twohy found out they had someone else doing film number three behind his back, he quit.
Begs the question why Fox didn't just let him go in the first place, but maybe they were hedging their bets.
Most likely, which is a shame and a really stupid thing to do
QuoteTo be fair, Ward's "writing it in" consists of little more than Ripley arriving on the planet, already alone, and saying, "Yeah, they died," which to me is hardly more conclusive than Red and Twohy offing them all before the story starts. Although I guess to be fair it's more implied with them.
Fasano has a passage detailing blood stains in Newt's cryotube.
One thing I didn't appreciate until I was watching some of Alien 3 on TV the other night, was how many scenes Ralph Brown had to do with just Weaver or Weaver and one or two others. Can't have been comfortable for someone who's being hostile (whatever the reasons for that were) coupled with the filmmakers not being able to decide what you're character is supposed to be.
I hope SW stays on Marvel Netflix shows and JC's Avatar for ever, I'm done with all her shit.
Quote from: SM on Oct 18, 2016, 09:22:06 PM
Fasano has a passage detailing blood stains in Newt's cryotube.
Does he admit that it makes no sense?
It implies an Alien got on the EEV and killed Newt in her sleep.
Makes about as much sense as the final film.
Didnt the Alien mock Ripley with Newts dead body in one of the scripts? It was either the Ward/ Fasano draft or just the Fasano draft after
Well.... It all sounds perfectly HORRENDOUS, luvvie! I'm sure Ralph Brown's idea of Aaron having a fight with the alien would have been just FABULOUS though.
I doubt he literally meant punching it in the face...
Originally it was him who held the creature inside the mold so Ripley could get out, not Dillon. He was probably referring to that.
QuoteHey! It occurs to me, perhaps she wants to f**k me !
She should be so lucky.
He had my sympathy until he said this.
British sarcasm might be lost on you there.
He survivied in so many versions of the script. In one he was the only survivor i think and in another he was carted off chained to some "Surviving Prisoners" lol
This is the Schrodinger's Cat of movies lol. Is he alive, is he dead? lol
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Oct 31, 2016, 09:12:57 AM
British sarcasm might be lost on you there.
Or it might not.
Either way, it was a dumb guy thing to say.
It's self deprecating.
Speaking of Pinewood, I was watching Last Crusade just now and somehow someone nicked the spiral staircase from the Venice library at Elstree and used it in Alien 3.
If anyone wants it now they'll need to talk to Lance Henriksen.
"God will take care of you now sister!"
"...no!"
"Pour the lead."
So much angst from the actual Sigourney poured into her deliveries.
http://www.empireonline.com/features/alien-3-tale-of-the-wooden-planet/
Found this article a while back. Seems weaver just wanted Ripley to die and end the series. She says in the article that playing an alien movie is like giving birth.
Form this article it seems Twohy was instructed by fox to write Ripley into the story.
As for the OP link article I like what Fincher said about fox being 18th century fox.
And thanks for the article OP was a nice read.
Quote from: SM on Oct 24, 2016, 10:21:21 PM
It implies an Alien got on the EEV and killed Newt in her sleep.
Makes about as much sense as the final film.
They really struggled with opening Alien 3. I don't get why. I really don't. Aliens made it seem so easy by comparison.
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Oct 15, 2016, 09:43:34 PM
No reason they couldn't have gone back to the formula of 'Alien' and set it aboard a space station for much the same reason. 'Alien 3' doesn't really gain anything by being set on a planet.
Well, lack of an airlock. You can't just "blow the f*cker out into space."
Not read through yet: https://magicmenagerie.wordpress.com/2019/06/01/my-pop-life-220-3am-eternal-live-at-the-s-s-l-the-k-l-f/
Huh, Kylie Minogue? The described atmosphere is palpable.
Great timewarp of an article.
Another lovely read. Thanks for that!
"if I'd known about ADR in Pinewood I would never have done 34 takes just for a vocal inflection..."
Hoo, boy... :D
Another fantastic and candid article from Ralph! It really continues to surprise me how bad an experience he personally had on the film.
Not read it yet, but I really enjoyed his last one.
Always seem to enjoy Ralph in particular talking about the third film. He always comes across as entirely candid and pretty level-headed.
Its always great to hear more about this film and what went on. You can just tell there was too much pressure on everyone
Wild stuff, but not surprising.
Fincher sounds like he was a really cool dude about it all.
Fear not Ralph, you did an awesome job brother.
I hope Disney can add some joy and integrity back into everything they now own.
Fun fact, Ralph Brown also played Del Preston in Wayne's World 2.
And the queen's pilot in The Phantom Menace.
Quote from: Xeno_from_Chino on Jun 07, 2019, 07:21:50 AM
Fun fact, Ralph Brown also played Del Preston in Wayne's World 2.
"I beat him to death with his own shoes"
Until now I realized that Weaver was hard to work with especially coming from Charles Dance.
Though, Fincher comes across as a chill dude. Really dig that.
Can Ralph Brown just write/co-write a making of book on Alien 3! Great read!
Sigourney doesn't like guns so they ditched them.
Sigourney saw Ripley as a solo character and didn't want someone else hogging the spotlight which I can only assume is why they got rid of Newt and Hicks.
Her acting was fine but the producers weren't the only ones responsible for the problems with Alien 3.
Unrelated but she was awful in The Defenders.
"I finally reach my long-lost f**k-it level." ;D
Quote from: HashTag_TheSwag on Jun 08, 2019, 09:01:02 PM
Sigourney doesn't like guns so they ditched them.
Sigourney saw Ripley as a solo character and didn't want someone else hogging the spotlight which I can only assume is why they got rid of Newt and Hicks.
Her acting was fine but the producers weren't the only ones responsible for the problems with Alien 3.
Unrelated but she was awful in The Defenders.
Twohy and Red wrote scripts for Alien 3 without Hicks and Newt - and also no Ripley.
And she was cool in Defenders.
Defenders was awful and so was
Sigourney Weaver as Alexandra surprisingly.
Whiskeybrewer Posted 2 days ago
Quote from: Xeno_from_Chino on Jun 07, 2019, 07:21:50 AM
Fun fact, Ralph Brown also played Del Preston in Wayne's World 2.
"I beat him to death with his own shoes"
"That is why Keith (Richards) cannot be killed by conventional Weapons"
;D
Have you seen her in The Cold Light of Day?
He should write a book, cash in and share these stories.
Quote from: Xeno_from_Chino on Jun 09, 2019, 03:21:57 PM
Whiskeybrewer Posted 2 days ago
Quote from: Xeno_from_Chino on Jun 07, 2019, 07:21:50 AM
Fun fact, Ralph Brown also played Del Preston in Wayne's World 2.
"I beat him to death with his own shoes"
"That is why Keith (Richards) cannot be killed by conventional Weapons"
;D
A parody of his role in Withnail & I (def check it out).
Quote from: FenGiddel on Jun 09, 2019, 04:31:53 PM
He should write a book, cash in and share these stories.
Hell, HBO could produce a whole miniseries about the making of Alien 3.
That's a crazy great read,where do I finf partI of this??:) ::)
Damn, it looks like Sigourney was a real bitch during shooting of Alien 3. On another hand, that made tension between Ripley and 85 so believeable.
I'd like to hear Charles Dance's take on the experience.
One of the documentaries has some choice lines from him about the production.
Needless to say, much like Brown, he thought it was a lot better before the studio cut it to pieces.
Quote from: Captain Dallas at Thedus on Jun 09, 2019, 10:43:44 PM
That's a crazy great read,where do I finf partI of this??:) ::)
Part I:
https://magicmenagerie.wordpress.com/2016/10/12/my-pop-life-171-praying-for-time-george-michael/ (https://magicmenagerie.wordpress.com/2016/10/12/my-pop-life-171-praying-for-time-george-michael/)
I'm re-reading it before getting into Part II. Love the details. We even learn where he got his hair cut for the meeting. :laugh:
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jun 10, 2019, 02:42:20 PM
One of the documentaries has some choice lines from him about the production.
Needless to say, Dance much like Brown, thought it was a lot better before the studio cut it to pieces.
So do many I think.
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Huh. Part II was a good read, but I wish he still had more of his diaries to transcribe.
Also wish there was more on Richard E. Grant at the end, considering he did screen tests or something, whatever that footage is they show in the doc. Still pretty great though. I definitely wish more of these Alien 3 actors had some words about the production, particularly some of the background people.
Speaking of which, William and Arthur are f**king tall!
This confirms my thoughts that weaver thinks she is the alien franchise
Unfortunately so do a bunch of people.
Hence the stories compromised as the character or the character's family is shoehorned into them.
(Everything after the original Trilogy, aside from Isolation just barely.)
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I mean, the first 4 films comprise a character arc that gives the typical monster movie quite a bit of substance. I'm still holding out for one more with Sigourney, however unlikely it may be. David hasn't occupied her absence in a meaningful way for me.
I don't get that argument at all, because David isn't great, means Ripley is necessary?
No thank you, I'm beyond done and tired of hearing the Ripley name attached to the franchise/saga. The first three are an arc, the fourth isn't Ripley and it's basically a parody.
Quote from: The Old One on Jun 10, 2019, 06:24:52 PM
I don't get that argument at all, because David isn't great, means Ripley is necessary?
No thank you, I'm beyond done and tired of hearing the Ripley name attached to the franchise/saga.
I said his occupation of the void left by Ripley wasn't meaningful
for me, not that it logically meant Ripley is necessary. I didn't even say David "isn't great." David's an interesting character in some ways, but he's become a pretty simple villain. Good lord, chill out.
"I'm still holding out for one more with Sigourney Weaver."
I'm against the notion of it, in fact I just don't understand the mentality behind it at all.
As for Ripley Vs David, they're each so unique, one's a protagonist and one's a antagonist for a start.
Quote from: The Old One on Jun 10, 2019, 06:32:05 PM
"I'm still holding out for one more with Sigourney Weaver."
I'm against the notion of it.
I just don't understand the mentality behind comparing them, as if they're so unique.
Great. Noted.
But the mentality behind comparing two characters who are each the centerpiece of their respective stints in the franchise? Seems to make sense to me. Are you saying Ripley and David are not unique from each other? lol wut?
And we don't need you to
understand the mentality. It's not a pathological condition; it's a matter of personal taste.
Spoiler
Apologies typo.
As they're so unique.
I think you're taking this way, way, way too personally. I don't discuss film on a forum to start adolescent drama. If I wanted to insult, I'd say it seems like your personal taste is garbage but I don't even believe that.
I just don't understand is why people want more Sigourney Weaver.
As part of what made her unique, is no fate, no destiny, no sword in the stone. Ripley's a nobody, and anyone's capable of survival if they're crafty enough.
You undermine it all if you draw out Ripley's presence any further, especially nearly 28 years after the character perished.
The correct course of action is to create a Alien film or even TV-Series as a tightly written drama first and foremost, something like a mix of Black Mirror, The Terror and Chernobyl. Horror ontop.
Get people invested (new stories, new characters, new protagonists) and then, only then, horrify them.
Quote from: Enjoy on Jun 10, 2019, 05:45:21 PM
This confirms my thoughts that weaver thinks she is the alien franchise
I think that's kind of a fair assessment, but I have a couple other theories.
1. She may have been method acting in a way. Considering Brown mentions that plenty of other actors didn't have the same relationship with her (based on their claims) that he describes in his diaries, she may have been working behind the scenes to affect their on-screen chemistry. Aaron behaves in a manner around Ripley that's kind of uncomfortable and insecure, but based on his character he's also the insecure second in command who merely goes around repeating what Andrews says and trying to look tough, when we know he's just doing that outwardly rather than evoking who he really is at his core. He's clearly terrified of the prisoners and the Alien, and also Ripley. I think it works on screen. Plus, Brown admits that she apologized to him afterwards, so it ended up not being as personal as it felt in the moment, at least in the long term. Of course, if what he says about Fincher is true, that he was constantly on his side in the context of his interactions with Weaver, and his quote about her "vampiring" the scene or whatever, then maybe she was just being mean and egotistical. But I find it kind of hard to believe that's the case.
2. She was credited as a "co-producer" on the film, and actually had the authority to make decisions about what took place on screen. It was the first time she had been in that position, according to IMDb. And she superseded Fincher in authority (and
especially Ralph Brown), as directors are beneath producers, especially 27-year-old music video directors. She could have been exercising her right to vocalize what she did and didn't want based on her position within the production staff as a co-producer, which she was entitled to do.
Quote from: Hudson on Jun 10, 2019, 08:13:27 PM2. She was credited as a "co-producer" on the film, and actually had the authority to make decisions about what took place on screen. It was the first time she had been in that position, according to IMDb. And she superseded Fincher in authority (and especially Ralph Brown), as directors are beneath producers, especially 27-year-old music video directors. She could have been exercising her right to vocalize what she did and didn't want based on her position within the production staff as a co-producer, which she was entitled to do.
Don't forget that she also had three Oscar nominations under her belt by then as well. I'm sure that kind of thing can go to anyone's head.
Quote from: Hudson on Jun 10, 2019, 08:13:27 PM
Of course, if what he says about Fincher is true, that he was constantly on his side in the context of his interactions with Weaver, and his quote about her "vampiring" the scene or whatever, then maybe she was just being mean and egotistical. But I find it kind of hard to believe that's the case.
She's human. It's entirely possible.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jun 09, 2019, 05:45:25 PM
Hell, HBO could produce a whole miniseries about the making of Alien 3.
I could see someone doing a production mostly inspired by it, '
Galaxy Quest' style.
Maybe if Rinzler's book on Alien is a success he can do one for each of the sequels :)
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jun 11, 2019, 03:32:46 PM
Maybe if Rinzler's book on Alien is a success he can do one for each of the sequels :)
I'm hoping so! (as long as it's good)
I've got his books on Star Wars IV and VI, and they're each equally fascinating. RotJ was a gift, and I was secretly thinking, "is a book about RotJ really gonna be as interesting as a book about Star Wars?". Short answer: yes. :D
I couldn't own a "Trilogy" of books with the middle missing. It would drive me crazy.
Quote from: The Old One on Jun 11, 2019, 09:09:32 PM
I couldn't own a "Trilogy" of books with the middle missing. It would drive me crazy.
I didn't intend to get any more after SW, but again RotJ was a gift. Now I feel like I
have to have Making of ESB, but it's so damn expensive! Plus my SW is softcover and my RotJ is hardcover, so the whole affair is just a massive stressball... :P
Oh jeez no. lol
Clearly the only acceptable solution is to get the hardcover editions of ANH and TESB...
Yes.
I think softcover/hardcover/hardcover would exacerbate OCD.
Reminds me of when Titan went from the smaller paperback size to the larger one, but still printed a few books in both so that I ended up with the 2014 novel trilogy in all different sizes.
I didn't even realise I had OCD until then.
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Ty, I hate it.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jun 12, 2019, 05:33:47 PM
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What, because the colors don't line-up?
I think they eventually line up if you keep watching long enough...
Quote from: Huggs on Jun 12, 2019, 05:45:12 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jun 12, 2019, 05:33:47 PM
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What, because the colors don't line-up?
They don't. It'll drive you insane. This is his revenge for every skull pic ever posted.
Don't look at it, Hicks, it's a trap!
Because cruelty is a particular user's nature.
Quote from: TheSailingRabbit on Jun 12, 2019, 07:24:21 PMThey don't. It'll drive you insane. This is his revenge for every skull pic ever posted.
There's an old Klingon proverb about that.
Neat.