During the May press junket for the premiere of Alien: Covenant, Instagrammer Luis Nostromo asked Ridley Scott about digitally de-aging Sigourney Weaver for the role of Ripley in a future Alien film, which Scott had previously mentioned in an interview with Empire Magazine. Scott answered that it could be possible, though it may be a few sequels ahead. In his answer, Scott also included some extra information that may sound familiar...
"Well we're heading towards the back end of the first Alien, so that may be feasible, but... Ripley's going to be somebody's daughter, obviously, because you're coming in from the back end, right? And you know, the time constraints between this film where we leave David going off tending for that colony. I think you're probably two films out from even considering her, he's going to go "oh no."(Video) (https://www.instagram.com/p/BWAgQJajhlH/?taken-by=luisnostromo)
It's unclear how serious Ridley Scott is being with his answer here regarding future films, especially considering his light-hearted implication that Ripley may end up confronting David. Could this mean that Daniels or perhaps another Character will end up being featured as Ripley's mother after all?
The mention of Ripley's mother brings to mind some earlier rumors of Alien: Covenant in which Daniels was thought to be Ripley's mother. These rumors were eventually denied by Scott during a round-table discussion with MovieWeb at SXSW. However, it should be noted that Scott did imply that the idea had come up during the development phase:
"No. That was probably way back when. 'Should she be the daughter of Ripley?' I said 'no.' She's herself."
In a previous AvPGalaxy Podcast episode some months before the release of Covenant, we discussed the rumor and expressed our concerns on how adding Ripley's mother to the series, especially after the inclusion of Amanda in Alien: Isolation, would make it seem like too much of a family affair.
Kill me now.
Mother of Ripley? Meaningless, pretestuous, useless, grotesque...
Hopefully, this'll fade away like it did the first time around. I think it's an absolutely terrible idea - up there with the Derelict crash being recent. Come on, Ridley. Let's move away from this circular thinking and go out there!
Maybe it'll be something like this?
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Stop him now!
He is talking a lot about multiple future films but I don't think we are going to get even one more future alien film at all now since the box office results of A:C proved the mass audience has zero interest in the franchise. Thankfully that means the shoehorning of Ripley's heritage will never happen.
True.
Quote from: howard.moody.566 on Jul 08, 2017, 11:03:28 AM
Stop him now!
He already analed the franchise. Now do what he wants. I dont even care. Everything beyond Alien, Aliens, Alien3 doesnt exist for me.
No Ridley, Bad Ridley
Ridiculously needless on such a level it's mind boggling and would, with some new technology wizardry, make every single person on Earths copy of the Alien Blu ray just disintegrate into dust before their eyes.
Verdict - It'll probably happen then.
Oh no. Please don't. I hope Ridley is just rambling here, like he does so often.
Only as long as we get to see Ripley being made.
Alien, Aliens and even Prometheus to some extent worked because the script had surprise elements. I am an ordinary movie fan, but guessed exactly the Covenent movie's flow by seeing the trailer. Covenent is an absolute careless money minded attempt by Ridley Scott. He didnt even want to think out of boundary. Some modern director should take over from him, like what Nolan did to Batman movies.
sigh.....just stop ridley......
Someone needs to do something about Ridley before he totally George Lucas's this franchise into silence for a decade.
I'd like to see the last prequel end with the Nostromo prepped at Thedus and the original Science Officer, before being replaced. No need for Ripley or any other character to be seen.
Unnecessary shoehorn :-[
As long as he's changing these films based on internet reaction, I feel it's my duty to say:
NO F'N WAY.
Beyond stupid. The only reason to rely on nostalgia for old characters is because you've got nothing new or interesting to offer. I don't want to see that movie.
I think this a good idea bring some character depth so people actually care about the films. Like it or not Ripley is the star of the show
@mr Clemens are prom and cov the movies you wanted to see? Those brave ideas, out of the box thinking kind of movies you want to see?? If that's your vison I don't want to see any more of those garbage films.
Avp was better than half of the alien franchise...
People care without meeting Ripley's mother.
Quote from: darkvegett0 on Jul 08, 2017, 01:31:03 PM
I think this a good idea bring some character depth so people actually care about the films. Like it or not Ripley is the star of the show
@mr Clemens are prom and cov the movies you wanted to see? Those brave ideas, out of the box thinking kind of movies you want to see?? If that's your vison I don't want to see any more of those garbage films.
Avp was better than half of the alien franchise...
Give me your idea. I'm pretty open minded with a wild imagination and I can't think of a single plot reason that makes sense.
Just thinking about it makes me want to microwave my Alien box set.
Quote from: darkvegett0 on Jul 08, 2017, 01:31:03 PM@mr Clemens are prom and cov the movies you wanted to see? Those brave ideas, out of the box thinking kind of movies you want to see?? If that's your vison I don't want to see any more of those garbage films.
Prometheus more so than Covenant, but essentially, yes. The Alien franchise, as it was in the 20th century, is done to death. If I want a repeat of that experience, there are video games for that.
Here's my guide on HOW TO DESTROY THE ALIEN SERIES IN 5 SIMPLE STEPS
STEP 1) retcon the SJ to be bald albino guys
STEP 2) De-Giger EVERYTHING
STEP 3) Ignore pointlessly reconned SJ and make David the creator of the Xenomorph
STEP 4) Introduce Ripley's mother to make the universe even smaller
STEP 5) Ripley's mother derails David's plans on LV426.
Ridley you have lost your f**king mind.
Oh, dear! Not this again.
he is so obsessed with the "back end", no wonder the outcome is a little shitty :)
Pretty sure he's just speaking hypothetically. Ripley has been done. Don't revive her.
Ridley: "Fire everything!"
No. Ripley shouldn't be related to anyone in the prequels. This isn't the story of her bloodline. This isn't about her heritage. She isn't the f**king Kwisatz Haderach. Trying to connect the prequels to Ripley through family only makes the universe seem tiny and even more about her. Star Wars suffered from this when it revealed that Vader created C-3PO, and that all the clones are Boba Fett's Dad. This is a Lovecraftian horror about humanity's struggle to survive in the face of a terrible extraterrestrial threat, not Ripley's Family Values.
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Scott is putting extra forks in it because some people loudly argued that the beast wasn't cooked. It's like he's trying to motivate us and knows that Fox listens to the haters, not the lovers? He wants the haters to want what he wants? The prequelitis will continue until morale improves? I wish more people had been kind to Prometheus, a movie that avoided most of these problems completely.
Quote from: phroZac on Jul 08, 2017, 05:25:52 PM
This is a Lovecraftian horror about humanity's struggle to survive in the face of a terrible extraterrestrial threat, not Ripley's Family Values.
I agree because I always saw this franchise as humanity's struggle to survive in a cold and unforgiving universe that is so huge to the point where we're mere Higgs Bosons in terms of scale.
There are countless characters to introduce and have them face the Aliens. Ripley's story has been told repeatedly, it's done. I think it's time to introduce other heroes and heroines. Prometheus and Covenant had the right idea by ditching any connections to Ripley or her family.
I think it would be neat to have David conveyed to ash or even become ash but I don't see a need to enclose Ripley or her family.
There is absolutely no point whatsoever in this. While we're at it let's do a Predator film set in WW2 where a Predator fights against Dutch's grandfather. Becuase, you know, needless link.
This is just a symptom of how much Scott cares too much about what fans want.
Honestly, Im concerned overall about the effects the backlash of this community is going to have on the next film. The backlash from PROMETHEUS, IMO is already what caused nearly all the problems with COVENANT, and now, I expect whatever we get next to try and jump over even more of the story we should be telling next.
People keep blaming Scott. Its not Scott. Scott keeps trying to accommodate fans. He should do a lot less of that. If I were him I would go back and make Prometheus 2 next and say FU to everyone.
I think if they try and bend anymore to fan reactions the next film, may end up being the last Alien film ever in theaters without the Predator involved again.
And Im not even that crazy about Prometheus. I just see how miserable everyone is and think they should stop listening to everyone moaning and complete the story he intended to tell. Because I guarantee when all is said and done, if he does/had done exactly what he WANTS to do, in 10 years people will end up appreciating the Prequels more and more.
Quote from: Protozoid on Jul 08, 2017, 06:07:10 PM
Scott is putting extra forks in it because some people loudly argued that the beast wasn't cooked. It's like he's trying to motivate us and knows that Fox listens to the haters, not the lovers? He wants the haters to want what he wants? The prequelitis will continue until morale improves? I wish more people had been kind to Prometheus, a movie that avoided most of these problems completely.
Yup.
People are just whining cause they aren't getting Blomkamp's film and because Covenant actually didn't ignore the Prometheus story enough. In truth, he ignored it too much. The movie that takes place between Prometheus and Covenant would have been more interesting than Covenant and would have made Covenant more interesting.
Quote from: phroZac on Jul 08, 2017, 05:25:52 PM
No. Ripley shouldn't be related to anyone in the prequels. This isn't the story of her bloodline. This isn't about her heritage. She isn't the f**king Kwisatz Haderach.
She no longer needs the weirding module.
This was BEFORE.
FOX wanted 3,4,5 or 6 new ALIEN movies.
FOX wanted these new ALIENs to be the new STAR WARS.
The film kind of flopped.
I doubt Ridley Scott even cares about this failure.
Quote from: NickisSmart on Jul 08, 2017, 09:38:55 PM
Quote from: phroZac on Jul 08, 2017, 05:25:52 PM
No. Ripley shouldn't be related to anyone in the prequels. This isn't the story of her bloodline. This isn't about her heritage. She isn't the f**king Kwisatz Haderach.
She no longer needs the weirding module.
Are we looking at some type of scenario where David falls in love with Ripley's mother and wants her to become impregnated with his xeno's because he wants to make babies with her but cannot?
But wait! No. Actually given my frustration with this fan base, I hope that this is exactly what happens. I hope Scott makes it so that the Nostromo is re-routed because he wants to procreate with Ripley and is sexually frustrated.
Quote from: PierreVW on Jul 08, 2017, 09:44:46 PM
This was BEFORE.
FOX wanted 3,4,5 or 6 new ALIEN movies.
FOX wanted these new ALIENs to be the new STAR WARS.
The film kind of flopped.
I doubt Ridley Scott even cares about this failure.
You guys, the film DID NOT FLOP. It made 240 million dollars. That's nearly double their money. But what was SPENT doesn't matter. The COST/GROSS figure just means they will try and spend LESS next time. Most horror films dont make nearly as much as ALIEN COVENANT. Take THE CONJURING, which made 127million. It has 4-5 sequels in the works.
There will certainly be MORE Alien films.
This movie did not flop, it made exceptional $. They will just make the next film for less money.
And/or they will try to find some other angle to renew interest - like bringing in Ripley's mom because waaaaaah.
Quote from: CainsSon on Jul 08, 2017, 09:46:14 PM
Quote from: NickisSmart on Jul 08, 2017, 09:38:55 PM
Quote from: phroZac on Jul 08, 2017, 05:25:52 PM
No. Ripley shouldn't be related to anyone in the prequels. This isn't the story of her bloodline. This isn't about her heritage. She isn't the f**king Kwisatz Haderach.
She no longer needs the weirding module.
Are we looking at some type of scenario where David falls in love with Ripley's mother and wants her to become impregnated with his xeno's because he wants to make babies with her but cannot?
But wait! No. Actually given my frustration with this fan base, I hope that this is exactly what happens. I hope Scott makes it so that the Nostromo is re-routed because he wants to procreate with Ripley and is sexually frustrated.
I don't get this. The inclusion of the xenomorph is overall slightly hamfisted, but the reason the movie failed has more to do with Ridley making the artistic movie he wanted to make instead of pleasing the action-craving fanbase. This also reflected in the marketing campaign that showed AC as an action-horror-sci-fi movie when in fact it's really an artistic movie about creation.
Quote from: tleilaxu on Jul 08, 2017, 09:51:05 PM
Quote from: CainsSon on Jul 08, 2017, 09:46:14 PM
Quote from: NickisSmart on Jul 08, 2017, 09:38:55 PM
Quote from: phroZac on Jul 08, 2017, 05:25:52 PM
No. Ripley shouldn't be related to anyone in the prequels. This isn't the story of her bloodline. This isn't about her heritage. She isn't the f**king Kwisatz Haderach.
She no longer needs the weirding module.
Are we looking at some type of scenario where David falls in love with Ripley's mother and wants her to become impregnated with his xeno's because he wants to make babies with her but cannot?
But wait! No. Actually given my frustration with this fan base, I hope that this is exactly what happens. I hope Scott makes it so that the Nostromo is re-routed because he wants to procreate with Ripley and is sexually frustrated.
I don't get this. The inclusion of the xenomorph is overall slightly hamfisted, but the reason the movie failed has more to do with Ridley making the artistic movie he wanted to make instead of pleasing the action-craving fanbase. This also reflected in the marketing campaign that showed AC as an action-horror-sci-fi movie when in fact it's really an artistic movie about creation.
I think this is your opinion of what people want. I doubt many people walked into either Prometheus or Covenant expecting an action movie. Suspense? Yes! Perversity? Yes! And they delivered only a little of both. I guarantee if Scott could make the movie he wants you'd get more perversity and weirdness.
The movie failed because its a mess of all these things. It doesnt HAVE to be anything. Most Alien films are not Action films. That's got nothing to do with it. Each Alien film was very different. Prometheus was a smash hit and hey should not have listened to Alien fans who reacted badly. Prometheus was very well received. They shouldnt listen to fans now either.
Ridley did NOT make the film he WANTED to make. He compromised because fans want waaah and thats the problem.
I don't count the excellent ALIEN: ISOLATION videogame as part of my own 'canon' where the movies are concerned...so I'm not bothered that it used Ripley's daughter as a replacement kick-ass character. That was just an 'Expanded Universe'-type use of the character briefly shown in ALIENS:Special Edition at the end of the day.
However, the potential inclusion of Ripley's actual mother as a character in the PROMETHEUS storyline, only reminds me why I decided to look on Ridley's latest entries as being totally separate to his awesome original ALIEN movie in the first place!
If Ripley's mom ends up fighting the Xenomorphs too, then Ridley will have truly steered his latest efforts into bad 'fan fiction' territory. :(
Quote from: BringbackJonesy! on Jul 08, 2017, 10:00:21 PM
I don't count the excellent ALIEN ISOLATION videogame as part of my own 'canon' where the movies are concerned...so I'm not bothered that it used Ripley's daughter as a replacement kick-ass character. That was just an 'Expanded Universe' use of the character briefly shown in ALIENS:Special Edition at the end of the day.
However, the potential inclusion of Ripley's actual mother as a character in the PROMETHEUS storyline, only reminds me why I decided to look on Ridley's latest entries as being totally seperate to his awesome original ALIEN movie in the first place!
If Ripley's mom ends up fighting the Xenomorphs too, then Ridley will have truly steered his latest efforts into bad 'fan fiction' territory. :-
Speaking of Alien: Isolation, an adaptation of that game might be just the sort of thing Fox is looking for next. Something that revitalizes and renews interest.
I expect that to happen at some point.
I really wish the new film is about the events between Prometheus and Covenant. With only 2 leads, Shaw and David, it could be something quite intimate. Ridley could go full 2001 avante garde with it. I think most fans would love something like that.
http://www.indiewire.com/2017/06/franchise-filmmaker-television-star-wars-hans-solo-lord-miller-1201845338/
Now, Movies are 1 episode of a TV series. Marvel created this new trend.
Star Wars is following that. DC too. Almost everyone is copying this. Movies are made by Commitee. Directors DOESN'T have power.
Ridley Scott is 1 of the very few directors who still have some freedom and some power. This kind of A-List Directors are dying.
I really agree with all the posters who don't like to see the narrowing of the Alien universe.
Someone earlier put it best... Alien works because it makes us think about a massive cold universe where there is true horror awaiting humanity.
Let's get back to that.
I liked Prometheus, I know it had flaws but it was different enough to stand on its own merits.
Covenant seemed like a mishmash of all the movies and it really wasn't its own thing.
The return of the Engineers and answers to the questions posed in Prometheus is the direction I want it to go and it would be great if we learn that David did recreate the Xeno (which I suppose he did) but I think it's odds on that the Alien of the original movie is crossbreed with an android... Giving us biomechanical qualities it has. Yet there is no need as the Engineers have similar biomechanical characteristics.
Anyway, who knows what will happen.
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Quote from: PierreVW on Jul 08, 2017, 11:24:04 PM
http://www.indiewire.com/2017/06/franchise-filmmaker-television-star-wars-hans-solo-lord-miller-1201845338/
Now, Movies are 1 episode of a TV series. Marvel created this new trend.
Star Wars is following that. DC too. Almost everyone is copying this. Movies are made by Commitee. Directors DOESN'T have power.
Ridley Scott is 1 of the very few directors who still have some freedom and some power. This kind of A-List Directors are dying.
The Han Solo movie reeks of fail on so many different levels. It'd take a master like Ron Howard to right that ship. It seems Disney and Lucasfilm have already started damage control narratives to try and paint the original directors as the reason for failure. The movie was 3 weeks away from wrapping, and now they're hiring acting coaches, new director, etc. Sounds like an absolute train wreck. The funny thing is that I haven't heard a single person say they actually wanted a Han Solo movie sans Harrison Ford. I think fans would be more interested in a Boba Fett or IG88 film to be completely honest. Even with Ron Howard I fear that this movie could still turn out to be a complete disaster.
RidgeTop deliverin that sick burn with this news
I want this to happen so bad
Seems to be an awful lot of predictably hyperbolic wailing and gnashing of teeth for "I think you're probably two films out from even considering her".
I wouldn't mind seeing the Han Solo movie flop spectacularly, but I think it's going to probably break even or at least come close due to the rabid Star Wars die-hard hordes.
Quote from: tleilaxu on Jul 09, 2017, 01:02:34 AM
I wouldn't mind seeing the Han Solo movie flop spectacularly, but I think it's going to probably break even or at least come close due to the rabid Star Wars die-hard hordes.
It's a really weird situation. Ron Howard is going to re-direct EVERYTHING. It's a different situation than the other past cases.
I suppose Ron Howard is going to be getting the sole Director official credit. Because they want to erase everything from the successful duo Lord & Miller.
Yeah a situation like that is going to make everybody wary. With a few tactical memes on social media you could probably destroy the hype for the movie way before it comes out.
Quote from: Protozoid on Jul 08, 2017, 06:07:10 PM
Scott is putting extra forks in it because some people loudly argued that the beast wasn't cooked. It's like he's trying to motivate us and knows that Fox listens to the haters, not the lovers? He wants the haters to want what he wants? The prequelitis will continue until morale improves? I wish more people had been kind to Prometheus, a movie that avoided most of these problems completely.
People were kind to it. He just listened to the gore hounds instead of the general audience that liked Prometheus (which is why it actually made money).
A successful sequel was right there and he brought back a creature that very few people actually wanted to see again.
Quote from: SM on Jul 09, 2017, 12:22:00 AM
Seems to be an awful lot of predictably hyperbolic wailing and gnashing of teeth for "I think you're probably two films out from even considering her".
I think it's more the fact that he's entertained that thought that's more disturbing.
He entertains lots of thoughts. It's his job.
Quote from: SM on Jul 09, 2017, 02:27:31 AM
He entertains lots of thoughts. It's his job.
I can't even think of a response to be honest.
At face value it's an unnecessary device. It all depends on how it services the plot...IF it services the plot. It could be a master stroke or a total shoehorn. I'm scared...
Quote from: CainsSon on Jul 08, 2017, 09:46:14 PM
You guys, the film DID NOT FLOP. It made 240 million dollars. That's nearly double their money. But what was SPENT doesn't matter. The COST/GROSS figure just means they will try and spend LESS next time. Most horror films dont make nearly as much as ALIEN COVENANT. Take THE CONJURING, which made 127million. It has 4-5 sequels in the works.
There will certainly be MORE Alien films.
This movie did not flop, it made exceptional $. They will just make the next film for less money.
And/or they will try to find some other angle to renew interest - like bringing in Ripley's mom because waaaaaah.
You have to go to the other thread (about A:C box office) to know more about that. That is, double the cost to include marketing and assume that up to half of revenues goes to theater owners, etc. Include around a 10-pct profit market for the studio plus similar for investors, and that means the movie has to make more than three times the cost of producing it. Hopefully more if it's a tent-pole flick that's supposed to cover any losses from other films or if there are more promising franchises.
Quote from: fiveways on Jul 09, 2017, 02:01:16 AM
Quote from: Protozoid on Jul 08, 2017, 06:07:10 PM
Scott is putting extra forks in it because some people loudly argued that the beast wasn't cooked. It's like he's trying to motivate us and knows that Fox listens to the haters, not the lovers? He wants the haters to want what he wants? The prequelitis will continue until morale improves? I wish more people had been kind to Prometheus, a movie that avoided most of these problems completely.
People were kind to it. He just listened to the gore hounds instead of the general audience that liked Prometheus (which is why it actually made money).
A successful sequel was right there and he brought back a creature that very few people actually wanted to see again.
I agree. In all honesty, I think not making Prometheus 2 is one of the greatest missed opportunities in the history of the genre.
The way Ridley is talking it makes me think he thinks that the sequels are still a go regardless of what happened to Covenant's box office. Or maybe he's just trolling the fanbase. I bet the percentage of fans that want Ripley's mother shoehorned into this franchise is extremely small. I for one think it's a horrible idea like most of the folks at AVPGalaxy.
Re: Box Office. (http://www.theage.com.au/entertainment/movies/after-thor-and-aquaman-the-battle-to-land-the-next-hollywood-blockbuster-continues-20170704-gx4atr.html)
QuoteWhile Ridley Scott has previously said he wants to shoot two more Alien movies, Alien Covenant struggled to sell enough tickets to ensure another instalment.
"It got great reviews and was everything we set out for it to be, it just didn't hit the note at the box office," says Fred Baron, the 20th Century Fox executive on the movie: "It will be a profitable film for the studio but whether there's another one [is uncertain]."
(Emphasis mine).
They is a million things Scott could do, to link the first film in to these new alien prequels that would be a million times more effective. Like having Ash, The Nostromo, Weyland Yutani, even f**king Jonesy the cat make a cameo... But for f**k sake Scott, why you talking about Ripley's mother? It just sounds stupid and unnecessary and makes the already shat on alien universe even more of a shitty place to be. :( As some of you have said it's probably Scott just talking shit and nothing will come of it. But it would not shock me if Scott decided to put this unnecessary stupid idea in his next film, since he as already put some stupid moments in Prometheus and Covenant.
Talking about Alien Isolation.. At least in Alien Isolation, having Ripley's daughter interacting with the Xenomorph is realistic because it's possible that Amanda would wants answers of why her mother never returned home. I mean wouldn't most people want answers why there loved one never came home? Some may just except what Weyland Yutani tells them about the missing Nostromo, were others wont and will start to dig a little deeper.
This is going to be bad.
It could be bad, or maybe not. Nobody has seen the film, yet they are judging.
Quote from: Scorpio on Jul 09, 2017, 07:37:42 AM
It could be bad, or maybe not. Nobody has seen the film, yet they are judging.
Again, nobody's given a single idea as to why this is even plausible. Go for it.
Is it anyone's job here to say why it's plausible?
In what way plausible?
Maybe in context, it will all make sense.
I dunno. I thought Isolation was a terrible idea and was proved wrong, so I won't pre-judge any stuff like this.
Time and again people pay too much literal attention to what Ridley Scott says. He's notorious for just rambling and thinking out loud.
Yep.
"shat on the alien universe"
What is that universe? It IS Ridley Scott. And to think it had no beginning seems odd.
He was saying for years that the aliens were bioweapons, then Prometheus happened. So you never know.
Part of me is thinking 'Heck,do what you want,Ridley.You crazy old man' ;D
At the end of the day the Alien films are expensive B-movies.And,as everyone knows,there's always daftness to be had in such movies.
Probably why I eventaully accpeted A:Covenant and enjoyed it for what it was even with its (numerous)continuity flaws.
Somebody needs to stage an intervention with Ridley Scott.
Quote from: Pinback on Jul 09, 2017, 11:11:05 AM
Somebody needs to stage an intervention with Ridley Scott.
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Ah, no.
Quote from: Scorpio on Jul 09, 2017, 09:38:30 AM
In what way plausible?
Maybe in context, it will all make sense.
You're both dodging bullets like Neo on the rooftop.
Just give me one idea. I'm not trolling, I'm not looking to prove a point. I'm genuinely interested in how the hell you tie Ripley's mum to Alien.
I don't understand why the idea is so offensive. So it makes the whole thing a family affair. Either you like the idea or hate it. I don't hate it, it depends on what the screenwriters and the director do with it. It may make a lot of sense in a certain context. It may not, but work within the movie.
I'm actually curious to see Ripley's mother in a future Alien film, that would make at least interest in that character.
If a character has to be Ripley's mother to be interesting, we've got serious problems...
Did he seriously ?
Quote from: Scorpio on Jul 09, 2017, 01:22:22 PM
I don't understand why the idea is so offensive. So it makes the whole thing a family affair. Either you like the idea or hate it. I don't hate it, it depends on what the screenwriters and the director do with it. It may make a lot of sense in a certain context. It may not, but work within the movie.
I'm actually curious to see Ripley's mother in a future Alien film, that would make at least interest in that character.
So that's a no then for the second time.
Anyone .....anyone justifying the Ripley's mum thing'with a single idea.... we are just looking for one answer. Even a stupid one.
That's it, I'm officially checking out of this franchise.
Seriously, what the hell is Scott doing? There's no need for "Ripley's mom" to be in an ALIEN movie. I swear, he and his writers are just throwing shit at a wall and seeing if it sticks.
This is also an indictment that he's run out of ideas and gas on the ALIEN franchise and needs to leave it alone. He's ruining it. Completely burning it to the ground.
So sad.
To all those people who were against Blomkamp's "ALIEN 5"....hope you're happy with the complete shit show Scott is giving us with these idiotic sequels. They're NOT SCARY. He's using gore for SHOCK VALUE. He's lost his touch. He only showed glimpses of it in ALIEN and it worked brilliantly. Less is more. Now he's ruining his vision and ours by showing and explaining EVERYTHING to us.
Do not get me wrong though. Ridley Scott is a phenomenal director. He's just lost his vision and creativity with ALIEN. Hell, he admitted as much before he even filmed Prometheus. It's NOT US that are burned out on the "Big Guy" aka Xeno it's Ridley Scott.
/Poors one out for Neil Blomkamp's "ALIEN 5". I would have taken one final Ripley story over this garbage. :(
Well i don't think Alien 5 would be good either and no way that Fox will let blomkamp retcon Alien 3,4
I can't believe he still thinks such a shoehorned idea is worth pursuing. I had thought the Ripley's mother idea was just a bad rumor.
Remember the time when you thought of a returning Ridley Scott as the savior of this franchise?
He only came to destroy ::)
This news marks my leave from this franchise.
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I don't understand why the idea is so offensive. So it makes the whole thing a family affair. Either you like the idea or hate it. I don't hate it, it depends on what the screenwriters and the director do with it. It may make a lot of sense in a certain context. It may not, but work within the movie.
I'm actually curious to see Ripley's mother in a future Alien film, that would make at least interest in that character.
So that's a no then for the second time.
Anyone .....anyone justifying the Ripley's mum thing'with a single idea.... we are just looking for one answer. Even a stupid one.
The act of not raving like a predictable stereotypical fanboy over an idea that might be considered in a couple of films (when the next one is looking unlikely) doesn't equate to justifying the idea.
It would be hilarious if David somehow turns out to be Ripley's Dad. You see David injested black goo which gave him... umm ..magical biological properties which allowed him to father Ripley.
Quote from: SM on Jul 09, 2017, 09:47:51 AM
I dunno. I thought Isolation was a terrible idea and was proved wrong, so I won't pre-judge any stuff like this.
Yup exactly but, Isolation was really smart on several levels, which Ridley still has to show us, he had two movies, and even uniting both I can barely think of them as averagely above Resurrection which ain't a great compliment to my tastes.
Isolation on the other side made no wrong note, only wrong note it did like all great thing was commercial reception which was mixed and wasn't the hit they had hoped for.
One could say you either make great stories or a great amount of money, there are only a handful who can ally both and this is not a magic formula that can be copy / pasted everytime.
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I don't understand why the idea is so offensive. So it makes the whole thing a family affair. Either you like the idea or hate it. I don't hate it, it depends on what the screenwriters and the director do with it. It may make a lot of sense in a certain context. It may not, but work within the movie.
I'm actually curious to see Ripley's mother in a future Alien film, that would make at least interest in that character.
So that's a no then for the second time.
Anyone .....anyone justifying the Ripley's mum thing'with a single idea.... we are just looking for one answer. Even a stupid one.
The act of not raving like a predictable stereotypical fanboy over an idea that might be considered in a couple of films (when the next one is looking unlikely) doesn't equate to justifying the idea.
Strike three. You can hardly blame people for raving slightly when Scotts just pulled the rug from under the majority of the Alien universe and the small corner that remains intact has the potential to get nuked off the planet - just to make sure.
Amanda Ripley stuff is fine, it's believable in the context of what happened and fits in a gap - where's there's an actual gap. David made the eggs - 50 page discussion on the various possibility's. Did David kill Walter - 15 page discussion on the various possibility's.....
Should Ripley's mum be in the prequels - "Sure, it could work"
Lol, it's like a Edgar Wright joke in real life.
Fox if your monitoring this forum can you tell Riddles just to stick with David, the engineers, Xeno and protomorphs, and possibly the proto colonial marines for the final film.
Also, stop messing up the edits to get more butts in theaters seats. It didn't help Prometheus or Covenant.
Quote from: 0321recon on Jul 10, 2017, 01:52:55 AM
Fox if your monitoring this forum can you tell Riddles just to stick with David, the engineers, Xeno and protomorphs, and possibly the proto colonial marines for the final film.
Also, stop messing up the edits to get more butts in theaters seats. It didn't help Prometheus or Covenant.
Please no Marines or xenos. I'm even getting tired of David. Give us something new or just stop.
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I don't understand why the idea is so offensive. So it makes the whole thing a family affair. Either you like the idea or hate it. I don't hate it, it depends on what the screenwriters and the director do with it. It may make a lot of sense in a certain context. It may not, but work within the movie.
I'm actually curious to see Ripley's mother in a future Alien film, that would make at least interest in that character.
So that's a no then for the second time.
Anyone .....anyone justifying the Ripley's mum thing'with a single idea.... we are just looking for one answer. Even a stupid one.
The act of not raving like a predictable stereotypical fanboy over an idea that might be considered in a couple of films (when the next one is looking unlikely) doesn't equate to justifying the idea.
Strike three. You can hardly blame people for raving slightly when Scotts just pulled the rug from under the majority of the Alien universe and the small corner that remains intact has the potential to get nuked off the planet - just to make sure.
Amanda Ripley stuff is fine, it's believable in the context of what happened and fits in a gap - where's there's an actual gap. David made the eggs - 50 page discussion on the various possibility's. Did David kill Walter - 15 page discussion on the various possibility's.....
Should Ripley's mum be in the prequels - "Sure, it could work"
Lol, it's like a Edgar Wright joke in real life.
I don't blame people for raving like predictable stereotypical fanboys. It's what they do.
Including some connection to Ripley could very well suck. But I'll be buggered if I'm going to carry on like an idiot about an idea that
might be in a movie
after the next movie that's looking less and less likely to get made anyway. And then demand that those with an opposing view tell me how it will work and childishly give them 'strikes" - as if it's their job to write Alien movies or peer into Riddles' head.
SM is right, but you don't have to look at it 'glass half empty' wise. It may not suck, it could be good. But no fan is on the side of optimism, it seems.
The catch is that investors will be providing the funding, and if they are not convinced that this will do well, then the studio will look at other projects.
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I don't understand why the idea is so offensive. So it makes the whole thing a family affair. Either you like the idea or hate it. I don't hate it, it depends on what the screenwriters and the director do with it. It may make a lot of sense in a certain context. It may not, but work within the movie.
I'm actually curious to see Ripley's mother in a future Alien film, that would make at least interest in that character.
So that's a no then for the second time.
Anyone .....anyone justifying the Ripley's mum thing'with a single idea.... we are just looking for one answer. Even a stupid one.
The act of not raving like a predictable stereotypical fanboy over an idea that might be considered in a couple of films (when the next one is looking unlikely) doesn't equate to justifying the idea.
Strike three. You can hardly blame people for raving slightly when Scotts just pulled the rug from under the majority of the Alien universe and the small corner that remains intact has the potential to get nuked off the planet - just to make sure.
Amanda Ripley stuff is fine, it's believable in the context of what happened and fits in a gap - where's there's an actual gap. David made the eggs - 50 page discussion on the various possibility's. Did David kill Walter - 15 page discussion on the various possibility's.....
Should Ripley's mum be in the prequels - "Sure, it could work"
Lol, it's like a Edgar Wright joke in real life.
I don't blame people for raving like predictable stereotypical fanboys. It's what they do.
Including some connection to Ripley could very well suck. But I'll be buggered if I'm going to carry on like an idiot about an idea that might be in a movie after the next movie that's looking less and less likely to get made anyway. And then demand that those with an opposing view tell me how it will work and childishly give them 'strikes" - as if it's their job to write Alien movies or peer into Riddles' head.
It is silly and the fact that nobody can think of an idea in a forum that is here to generate idea's and discussion, shows how idiotic it is. I dunno, if you don't want to see fan boys get frothy then it's probably a bad place to hang out.
Personally I don't think it'll happen anyway, I just think it shows how unstable the Alien universe is right now, that something like that would even get brought up. That's no Dutch cameo , it's a whole new level of stupid.
QuotePersonally I don't think it'll happen anyway
Which is why I'm refraining from getting frothy.
Quote from: Highland on Jul 10, 2017, 02:12:49 AM
That's no Dutch cameo , it's a whole new level of stupid.
You would not pay to see the predator fight Dutch's father in the 1940s?
Given Dutch is Austrian/German. If Dutch's father was a Nazi.. Nazis vs Predator. I would definitely pay to see that.
It has promise.
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Somebody needs to stage an intervention with Ridley Scott.
http://www2.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/David+Fincher+Christopher+Nolan+63rd+Annual+c5c4v1Cq6NTl.jpg
Those 3 are fans of Ridley Scott. Especially Fincher and Nolan.
FYI: Nolan made an openning speech for the DGA Honorary Award to Ridley Scott this year.
Quote from: Scorpio on Jul 10, 2017, 02:30:41 AM
Quote from: Highland on Jul 10, 2017, 02:12:49 AM
That's no Dutch cameo , it's a whole new level of stupid.
You would not pay to see the predator fight Dutch's father in the 1940s?
Given Dutch is Austrian/German. If Dutch's father was a Nazi.. Nazis vs Predator. I would definitely pay to see that.
Why does it have to be Dutches father? That story works perfectly fine without it being Dutches father, just like Alien works perfectly fine without finding out that Ripley's mum packed Ripley's lunch box just before she set off for work.
There's almost zero benift and I bet my ass, 98% of the people watching a new Predator movie set in the 1940's wouldn't even click when the general say's Mr Schaefer...this way please - ###WOOOOSH right over their heads and out the back door.
I can't even tell when I'm getting trolled on this board!
Ripley is the most iconic (apart from Star Wars characters) in sci fi films. Of course people are going to care.
That's the fun of prequels, otherwise nobody would make them. You get to see the origins of the alien, the space jockey, Weyland Yutani, etc. The only thing they haven't covered is Ripley.
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Quote from: Scorpio on Jul 10, 2017, 03:37:25 AM
Ripley is the most iconic (apart from Star Wars characters) in sci fi films.
What about Godzilla, Kirk, Spock, the Terminator, the Ghostbusters, the Doctor, and Deckard? Ripley is on the list, for sure, but the pantheon of sci-fi heroes doesn't need her to return again.
We've already had a Terminator prequel and a Star Trek prequel.
Quote from: Scorpio on Jul 10, 2017, 03:37:25 AM
Ripley is the most iconic (apart from Star Wars characters) in sci fi films. Of course people are going to care.
That's the fun of prequels, otherwise nobody would make them. You get to see the origins of the alien, the space jockey, Weyland Yutani, etc. The only thing they haven't covered is Ripley.
It has to be earned though. It can't be arbitrary. And it can't be the foundation, it must be fun sprinkles. Can't build a movie off of a wiz bang wow Ripley's mom! moment.
And no, no one will care. They'll care about ripley herself, but not ripley's mom.
Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!
I remember when the rumours about Daniels being Ripley's mother surfaced (which could still turn out to be true, nothing in Covenant contradicted that). I don't think it would have hurt the film. It may have angered some fans, though, but that would be just another in the long list of things they don't like about the movie.
How far away is Covenant from Alien?
SM ?
Seventeen years, five months, eight days.
Give or take.
Quote from: Highland on Jul 10, 2017, 06:17:38 AM
How far away is Covenant from Alien?
SM ?
Covenant is 19 years before Alien.
How old Ripley on First movies ?
Quote from: SM on Jul 10, 2017, 06:28:48 AM
Seventeen years, five months, eight days.
Give or take.
So that would rule out the whole mum thing anyway wouldn't it? Unless Ripleys a robot...
Or some other mission happened with other people.
Agree
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Quote from: SM on Jul 10, 2017, 06:28:48 AM
Seventeen years, five months, eight days.
Give or take.
So that would rule out the whole mum thing anyway wouldn't it? Unless Ripleys a robot...
Or some other mission happened with other people.
It should do. Ridley might not be paying that close attention to the timeline, though.
While I appreciate he's talking about ideas for later films that may or may not happen, I don't blame people for not wanting the idea. I certainly don't want this kind of thing to come into fruition. I think Isolation was the exception and wouldn't expect Ridley to pull it off with that kind of care. Without really knowing more, it strikes me more as arbitrary connection than anything meaningful.
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Quote from: SM on Jul 10, 2017, 06:28:48 AM
Seventeen years, five months, eight days.
Give or take.
So that would rule out the whole mum thing anyway wouldn't it? Unless Ripleys a robot...
Or some other mission happened with other people.
It should do. Ridley might not be paying that close attention to the timeline, though.
While I appreciate he's talking about ideas for later films that may or may not happen, I don't blame people for not wanting the idea. I certainly don't want this kind of thing to come into fruition. I think Isolation was the exception and wouldn't expect Ridley to pull it off with that kind of care. Without really knowing more, it strikes me more as arbitrary connection than anything meaningful.
Didn't they make some kind of Alien "rules" book? Or is that another franchise, I thought I remember reading that.
I suppose it is possible with some cryosleep mcguffin to somehow get around it...maybe.
Quote from: Highland on Jul 10, 2017, 09:05:11 AM
Quote from: SM on Jul 10, 2017, 06:28:48 AM
Seventeen years, five months, eight days.
Give or take.
So that would rule out the whole mum thing anyway wouldn't it? Unless Ripleys a robot...
Or some other mission happened with other people.
As things stand, it would rule out a connection with Covenant and Ripley. She is already 12 years old by the time Covenant happens.
Quote from: Highland on Jul 10, 2017, 10:19:59 AM
Didn't they make some kind of Alien "rules" book? Or is that another franchise, I thought I remember reading that.
No, it was Alien. They spoke about during the set visits on Covenant. It was also in relation to Alien 5 iirc too.
Quote from: newagescamartist on Jul 08, 2017, 10:17:36 PM
I really wish the new film is about the events between Prometheus and Covenant. With only 2 leads, Shaw and David, it could be something quite intimate. Ridley could go full 2001 avante garde with it. I think most fans would love something like that.
Well, I would like to see that film.
Quote from: Marcus9000 on Jul 08, 2017, 11:39:48 PM
I really agree with all the posters who don't like to see the narrowing of the Alien universe.
Someone earlier put it best... Alien works because it makes us think about a massive cold universe where there is true horror awaiting humanity.
Let's get back to that.
I liked Prometheus, I know it had flaws but it was different enough to stand on its own merits.
Covenant seemed like a mishmash of all the movies and it really wasn't its own thing.
The return of the Engineers and answers to the questions posed in Prometheus is the direction I want it to go and it would be great if we learn that David did recreate the Xeno (which I suppose he did) but I think it's odds on that the Alien of the original movie is crossbreed with an android... Giving us biomechanical qualities it has. Yet there is no need as the Engineers have similar biomechanical characteristics.
Anyway, who knows what will happen.
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Prometheus made a point to say "They made us, but who made them?" -- A Lovecraftian answer to that question is the way forward for this series.
Ripleys mother haa.. as long as she doesnt create the original Alien. Unlike David who created the original Ripley, who is just a protomorph of Sigourney Weaver --
Or maybe Ridley actually meant Ridley, ja that must be it, the third prequel will portray Ridleys mother: the ultimate space jockey so to speak because Ridleys mother created Ridley who then created the space jockey (who then created eggs or no eggs doesnt matter at all at this point) --
I dont care as long as we get new planets! New planets!
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Quote from: SM on Jul 10, 2017, 06:28:48 AM
Seventeen years, five months, eight days.
Give or take.
So that would rule out the whole mum thing anyway wouldn't it? Unless Ripleys a robot...
Or some other mission happened with other people.
As things stand, it would rule out a connection with Covenant and Ripley. She is already 12 years old by the time Covenant happens.
cue in the main char in Awakening saying "oh my poor 12 year old daughter on LV-789..."
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jul 10, 2017, 10:11:21 AM
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Quote from: SM on Jul 10, 2017, 06:28:48 AM
Seventeen years, five months, eight days.
Give or take.
So that would rule out the whole mum thing anyway wouldn't it? Unless Ripleys a robot...
Or some other mission happened with other people.
It should do. Ridley might not be paying that close attention to the timeline, though.
While I appreciate he's talking about ideas for later films that may or may not happen, I don't blame people for not wanting the idea. I certainly don't want this kind of thing to come into fruition. I think Isolation was the exception and wouldn't expect Ridley to pull it off with that kind of care. Without really knowing more, it strikes me more as arbitrary connection than anything meaningful.
It's weird reading comments like this, but I can understand them. He's made some silly mistakes in both
Prometheus and
Covenant.
Quote from: SM on Jul 10, 2017, 10:28:05 AM
Quote from: Highland on Jul 10, 2017, 09:05:11 AM
Quote from: SM on Jul 10, 2017, 06:28:48 AM
Seventeen years, five months, eight days.
Give or take.
So that would rule out the whole mum thing anyway wouldn't it? Unless Ripleys a robot...
Or some other mission happened with other people.
As things stand, it would rule out a connection with Covenant and Ripley. She is already 12 years old by the time Covenant happens.
So, Ripley was 29 or 30 in ALIEN.
I don't sure.
Ridley is not the only problem though. It would help the franchise immensely to start working with competent writers. I mean seriously John Logan for Alien? Dante Harper one effin script, one: AC.
Bring on more novices ignorants wannabes, F O X, like i care anymore. Wonder Ridley surely will compensate for Dante Harpers writing skills, or not, too bad. Who couldve foreseen this failure, wheres our money... the fans they didnt get it, we have to dumb it down again, not our fault blabla --
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Quote from: Highland on Jul 10, 2017, 09:05:11 AM
Quote from: SM on Jul 10, 2017, 06:28:48 AM
Seventeen years, five months, eight days.
Give or take.
So that would rule out the whole mum thing anyway wouldn't it? Unless Ripleys a robot...
Or some other mission happened with other people.
As things stand, it would rule out a connection with Covenant and Ripley. She is already 12 years old by the time Covenant happens.
So, Ripley was 29 or 30 in ALIEN.
I don't sure.
30.
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Quote from: SM on Jul 10, 2017, 06:28:48 AM
Seventeen years, five months, eight days.
Give or take.
So that would rule out the whole mum thing anyway wouldn't it? Unless Ripleys a robot...
Or some other mission happened with other people.
As things stand, it would rule out a connection with Covenant and Ripley. She is already 12 years old by the time Covenant happens.
So, Ripley was 29 or 30 in ALIEN.
I don't sure.
30.
Sigourney Weaver was 28/29 during filming.
Born Jan 7 2092. Alien is in June 2122 after she's turned 30.
Don't know where that lore comes from. She looks late 20s, so I'll go with that.
It comes from Fox.
Quote from: Scorpio on Jul 11, 2017, 02:48:54 AM
Don't know where that lore comes from. She looks late 20s, so I'll go with that.
Those 2 years really blowing the doors off the lore!
But don't you not age in cryo-sleep? Surely you wouldn't say she's 87 in Aliens, would you? Wouldn't it matter how long the space expedition is? What if the trip was 5, or even 10 years long both ways?
I suppose with cryo you'd have real age and physical age.
I don't think it's cryo, it's more like hibernation. It would slow down the body's processes, but not stop them.
It slows them down to a point where for all intents and purposes they've stopped.
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Quote from: Scorpio on Jul 11, 2017, 02:48:54 AM
Don't know where that lore comes from. She looks late 20s, so I'll go with that.
Those 2 years really blowing the doors off the lore!
:laugh:
If y'all wanna get real nitpicky you could say you age 8.14 times as slowly since Ripley only ages 7 years after spending 57 in cryosleep :P
But then she aged 6 years - IN 10 DAYS!!! :o
Dude, clearly a result of how violently she got pulled out of hypersleep.
Dude, nah, the hugger done it.
The chestbursters don't develop quickly, they speed up time locally :o
Quote from: SiL on Jul 11, 2017, 12:44:06 PM
The chestbursters don't develop quickly, they speed up time locally :o
Maybe xenomorphs are just so incredibly advanced organisms that they can induce relativistic effects :o
I'd have to assume there would be some form of aging during cryo. The prospect of cryo-sleep is implausible, solely due to the fact that freezing the body would result in the bursting of cells, as cells are mostly water I believe, I'm too tired to rehash those courses. Nevertheless, discounting the science, I've still yet to see a cryo-pod in modern film that didn't display biofunctions, or at least intimate the occupant's heart had not flat-lined. Given that, a steady, albeit reduced heart rate should still result in the aging and tissue degeneration of the organ itself, I don't see how anyone could come out of cryo-sleep without either severe cardiovascular issues, or a bad case of the "death".
"Prometheus made a point to say "They made us, but who made them?" -- A Lovecraftian answer to that question is the way forward for this series"
Indeed, and if things keep going the way they're headed, the answer will be...ya'll ready? The Quintessons.
There was some kind of event involving a black hole, optimus prime was found floating in space by an early Wey-Yu space mission in the 80's. The body was transferred to Wey Yu's newly acquired and budding robotics division, formerly known as Cyberdine Industries. Wey-Yu, still seeking to capture a live "Predator" specimen, has cyberdine create the terminator, a powerful and advanced new form of robotic intelligence that is immune to the predators thermal tracking abilities, and also has the ability to learn and evolve intellectually. In a nod to history, and after one too many vodkas, the team decides to model the terminator after Dutch Schaeffer, the man who originally defeated the predator, and whom Wey-Yu had liquidated shortly after his debriefing. In a moment of humor, some intern coined the name "Sergeant Candy", and rumors of a tongue - in - cheek commercial circulated the office for awhile. A Wey-Yu exec managed to get ahold of a copy, the intern was..."let go".
At some point in the 1990's, Wey-Yu received credible intelligence that a Predator was active in the Los Angeles area. A team of Wey-Yu scientists and undercover security personnel, led by Peter Keyes was deployed to track and assess the creature, in preparation for the deployment of the first terminator. The terminator follows the Predator into a busy subway station. While waiting for the creature to strike, the terminator witnesses nothing but violence and hostility between the human passengers on the train, and, believing that humanity isn't worth saving, escapes during the ensuing chaos.
At least, that's where I think it's going. ;D
Quote from: Huggs on Jul 11, 2017, 07:23:51 PM
I'd have to assume there would be some form of aging during cryo. The prospect of cryo-sleep is implausible, solely due to the fact that freezing the body would result in the bursting of cells, as cells are mostly water I believe, I'm too tired to rehash those courses. Nevertheless, discounting the science, I've still yet to see a cryo-pod in modern film that didn't display biofunctions, or at least intimate the occupant's heart had not flat-lined. Given that, a steady, albeit reduced heart rate should still result in the aging and tissue degeneration of the organ itself, I don't see how anyone could come out of cryo-sleep without either severe cardiovascular issues, or a bad case of the "death".
Actually, cells are routinely frozen for storage during biological work. Freezing a whole organism is a bit trickier, but you don't necessarily have to freeze, just keep it in a low metabolic state at a low temperature. I don't understand your last comment. People in the Alien-verse aren't traveling for centuries.
Quote from: SiL on Jul 11, 2017, 12:44:06 PM
The chestbursters don't develop quickly, they speed up time locally :o
Yah cos they don't need to eat and are born super-dense, creating their own local gravity space time distortions!
"I don't understand your last comment"
Perhaps I was too vague. Extra shifts will do that to you. In essence, let's say that Ripley's character was around 30 years old as of the first film. Let's assume she's done her job at least a few times. How many years could she have spent in the freezers as of the first film? Ignoring that, if we're assuming that cryo-sleep in the alien universe is not a complete suspension of all biological functions, then her heart would have been beating for in excess of 87 years. Adding on another possible 10 for cryo during employment, if it had been long term employment, and you're booking a 100 year old pump (or more). Even if it severely slowed down age and atrophy, you'd still be dealing with the heart of a 56-70 year old. There has to be some negative physiological effects.
But when it's all said and done, these are movies, and it's all fake. I get that. In the recent film "Passengers", the journey was to take 120 years. Movies and books stating these sort of things last for centuries is not uncommon. I suppose you could say it's just a pet peeve of mine. The original Alien is such an enjoyable movie that I usually just forget that stuff and enjoy it. But the concept of stasis is prevalent in modern film, and it's just a tough sell for people like me, that's all.
Quote from: Huggs on Jul 11, 2017, 11:19:37 PM
and you're booking a 100 year old pump (or more). Even if it severely slowed down age and atrophy, you'd still be dealing with the heart of a 56-70 year old. There has to be some negative physiological effects.
This is where the movies clearly disagree with you. The purpose of cryo-sleep is to slow down metabolism such as to produce negligible aging during journeys. Obviously, like most things in science-fiction, the science isn't quite there yet. For me, the most worrisome part is dealing with oxidative damage on the long term. A low metabolism also means a lower renewal and potentially increased accumulation of damaged components.
Why dont they offer Josh Whedon the opportunity to fix his mess - as the director this time?
I dont really like his approach but Im surprised after his success and vocal apology for what happened with A:R that they've never approached him about it.
Because Joss Whedon only makes one kind of film and it's exactly what we'd get again if he got another chance.
Quote from: CainsSon on Jul 12, 2017, 02:38:06 AM
Why dont they offer Josh Whedon the opportunity to fix his mess - as the director this time?
I dont really like his approach but Im surprised after his success and vocal apology for what happened with A:R that they've never approached him about it.
He blamed everyone but himself for the film's shortcomings. Why would they approach him?
He's apparently recently spoken about it and took ownership of it. I've not seen the interview yet. Matt Hatton mentioned it in our last podcast.
"This is where the movies clearly disagree with you"
Reminds me of that old line form "diamonds are forever", where blofeld says something to the effect of, "I don't pretend to understand how it works, but the technology is sound". That is not meant to be misconstrued as an insult, I'm merely implying that the idea of stasis in film is a hard sell for me, so, like many scientific processes in film, it's mechanisms are best left to the imagination.
Screw Ripley, how old is Jones?
Quote from: Gash on Jul 13, 2017, 01:14:08 PM
Screw Ripley, how old is Jones?
He is eternal.
I'm starting to believe that Jones is the male avatar and incarnation of Bastet. That would explain the Egyptian design of the Weyland brand's crests. Jones probably met up with Engineers over 2000 years ago and probably made a sweet deal with them. I think in the next Alien movie, David will find out that the universe is ruled by an interstellar omnipotent cat deity, the true creator of the Xenomorph.
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Jul 13, 2017, 06:58:53 PM
I'm starting to believe that Jones is the male avatar and incarnation of Bastet. That would explain the Egyptian design of the Weyland brand's crests. Jones probably met up with Engineers over 2000 years ago and probably made a sweet deal with them. I think in the next Alien movie, David will find out that the universe is ruled by an interstellar omnipotent cat deity, the true creator of the Xenomorph.
LOL, this would explain so much.
Scott lost his mind :)
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jul 12, 2017, 07:51:55 AM
He's apparently recently spoken about it and took ownership of it. I've not seen the interview yet. Matt Hatton mentioned it in our last podcast.
He apologized profusely. Haha.
Quote from: SiL on Jul 12, 2017, 02:39:04 AM
Because Joss Whedon only makes one kind of film and it's exactly what we'd get again if he got another chance.
I tend to agree. His stuff is too scy-fy channel. Its also kinda light-hearted for Alien, but I think if the script for A:R had been in the hands of someone like Fincher or Scott, who is less interested in comic relief, they would have shaped it into a less ridiculous film.
Have we ever seen his script for Alien 5? I'd heard something existed. Maybe a treatment? Also that Firefly movie always seemed somewhat like it derived from some ideas in A:R.
There was a A:R sequel book that I never read. Anyone know if that had something to do with his script?
Quote from: Scorpio on Jul 11, 2017, 09:33:31 AM
I don't think it's cryo, it's more like hibernation. It would slow down the body's processes, but not stop them.
No problem mate, just throw in that line of dialogue where some colonist wakes up and gargles back some vomit, saying "Gee this gas-based hypersleep sure makes me feel alot less sick than that injection based cryo-crap. And there's the whole not ageing thing now."
Sleepers dream, it's in all of ADF''s novelisations.
Quote from: Ingwar on Jul 14, 2017, 03:09:10 PM
Scott lost his mind :)
It's more like people reading stuff that isn't there in his comments who have lost their minds.
Quote from: Gash on Jul 14, 2017, 06:10:02 PM
Sleepers dream, it's in all of ADF''s novelisations.
Quote from: Ingwar on Jul 14, 2017, 03:09:10 PM
Scott lost his mind :)
It's more like people reading stuff that isn't there in his comments who have lost their minds.
Scott said:
QuoteI don't think it'll... but Ripley's going to be somebody's daughter. Obviously. We're coming in from the back end. The time constraints, of what's the time between this film, where we leave David going off heading for that colony, I think you're probably two films out from even considering her.
Quote from: Ingwar on Jul 14, 2017, 08:57:50 PM
Quote from: Gash on Jul 14, 2017, 06:10:02 PM
Sleepers dream, it's in all of ADF''s novelisations.
Quote from: Ingwar on Jul 14, 2017, 03:09:10 PM
Scott lost his mind :)
It's more like people reading stuff that isn't there in his comments who have lost their minds.
Scott said:
QuoteI don't think it'll... but Ripley's going to be somebody's daughter. Obviously. We're coming in from the back end. The time constraints, of what's the time between this film, where we leave David going off heading for that colony, I think you're probably two films out from even considering her.
He didn't say anything. You 2 are fighting for a nothing comment?.
QuoteSleepers dream, it's in all of ADF''s novelisations.
It's in Prometheus.
So he's said Ripley is someone's daughter - no shit Sherlock.
That's just fact and referencing the timeline. Doesn't mean her mother's going to appear. There's literally nothing to read into those comments as they stand. If at some stage the plan is to make some allusions to Thedus and the Nostromo a de-aged Ripley might make a cameo but it's hardly likely to be anything more than a nod as the films link up, if it even gets that far.
I'm more interested in David and the 'war of the worlds'. `Frankly I think Scott is only humouring journos who can't look at Alien without wanting to bring up Ripley.
Quote from: Gash on Jul 15, 2017, 01:29:11 AM
So he's said Ripley is someone's daughter - no shit Sherlock.
That's just fact and referencing the timeline. Doesn't mean her mother's going to appear.
Of course it doesn't mean that but then again why would Scott mentioned about that?
Why would they de-age Sigourney Weaver when they can create a cgi double instead like in Rogue One?
Quote from: whiterabbit on Jul 08, 2017, 11:48:27 AM
Only as long as we get to see Ripley being made.
David created Ripley and Hicks. Badumm tishhh
Quote from: Scorpio on Jul 15, 2017, 08:37:29 AM
Why would they de-age Sigourney Weaver when they can create a cgi double instead like in Rogue One?
The cherry on top of the shit cake the series has become!