"Yet many international productions haven't been as lucky. FX's "Alien," a series adaptation of the "Alien" franchise written by Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott, is currently in pre-production in Thailand. Sources indicate the show will be a large-scale undertaking that's reportedly booked out multiple Bangkok studios and hired vast quantities of lighting equipment.
However, a mix of SAG-AFTRA and Equity members comprise the cast (two of the main leads are believed to be SAG-AFTRA members), meaning that production will need to work around the absence of key cast members. The show's Thailand-based producer Chris Lowenstein declined to comment."
https://variety.com/2023/biz/global/actors-strike-production-international-gladiator-mortal-kombat-1235669083/
https://twitter.com/Variety/status/1679474150509871104
Shut up, Bob.
I do think that with SAG (most likely) going on strike today, things will probably resolve a bit quicker now than if it was still the WGA striking alone, since this is going to shut down active and upcoming productions now. But man, the whole situation is so f**ked, and I hope that everyone striking through either guild is able to get a fair deal and the compensation that they absolutely deserve.
Add to that all of the "tax writeoffs" as original films and shows are blatantly pulled from the streaming services that they originated on (which is awful for both preserving/distributing media and for the creatives involved in making this art, as many of their residuals are essentially being cut off), all of the crap over at Warner Brothers regarding the TCM layoffs, the dicking about refusing to bend to any of the demands of the WGA strike, and so on. All of the major studio heads have really been showing their asses the last few months.
SAG strike has now officially gone into effect:
https://twitter.com/sagaftra/status/1679580898210070528
Good, get f**ked Bob.
I'm sad for all the crew affected by this.
But I'd be lying if I said I wasn't hopeful this killed the series.
Which is 100% fanboy pettiness over vaguely communicated ideas I don't like the look of, I admit.
Yeah tpretty gross and pretty petty.
Actually between this and my distain for ChatGPT, I think I will just find this forum a more pleasant experience without seeing that stuff.
Wouldn't it be great if Iger gets fired and replaced with Kathleen Kennedy? Then she'd be in charge of Alien and Predator too!
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jul 13, 2023, 10:04:14 PMWouldn't it be great if Iger gets fired and replaced with Kathleen Kennedy? Then she'd be in charge of Alien and Predator too!
The worst part is there are people who think that's how it works.
Quote from: SiL on Jul 13, 2023, 11:29:46 PMQuote from: Local Trouble on Jul 13, 2023, 10:04:14 PMWouldn't it be great if Iger gets fired and replaced with Kathleen Kennedy? Then she'd be in charge of Alien and Predator too!
The worst part is there are people who think that's how it works.
Someone should ask ralfy if that's how it works.
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Jul 13, 2023, 09:22:34 PMGood, get f**ked Bob.
(https://y.yarn.co/ce2cc979-8fe5-4945-96bd-df3bae0630c3_text.gif)
Actors, leave.
CGI artists and animators should go on strike as well.
Definitely should.
https://twitter.com/somebadideas/status/1679573326644097027
https://twitter.com/somebadideas/status/1679594206728183808
... awful.
f**king hell. This is horrible but let's be realistic, sooner or later it's inevitable.
Quote from: xShadowFoxX on Jul 14, 2023, 10:58:13 AMCGI artists and animators should go on strike as well.
They'd need to actually f**king unionise first. There are a few, but not enough.
Widespread, worldwide unionisation efforts coupled with strikes would absolutely upend Hollywood's ability to get anything done.
Workers rights > new Alien movies.
Shame the DGA capitulated already. That would've been quite the trifecta.
Series*
Film is done, unless the editors go on strike...
The US doesn't allow sympathy strikes sadly ("right to work" laws), the animation unions or the IATSE VFX Union would need to have their contracts up to go on strike as well.
Computer generated actors and A.I written scripts here we come.
Quote from: Enjoy on Jul 14, 2023, 01:30:03 PMComputer generated actors and A.I written scripts here we come.
Have you seen The Witcher by Netflix? I bet AI written scripts would have been way better than this abomination ;D
Holy sh@t :o So executives and corporates appropriates yourt likenesses and say goobdye to residuals >:(
They're cutting costs. Greed at its worst since they're stinky rich and don't really have to do that. They don't give a f**k about workers but they will panic once the shit hits the fan big time. Let it burn.
https://twitter.com/ashleyn1cole/status/1679587305160609792
Quote from: SiL on Jul 14, 2023, 12:33:15 PMSeries*
Film is done, unless the editors go on strike...
We don't know about that. Shooting is done, but they may need to do ADR and such. If that's the case, the film is stopped too.
Glad they have the support, I would firmly rather have no content than have generated content. That includes media based on 2d generated conceptual imagery.
QuoteHollywood Studios' WGA Strike Endgame Is To Let Writers Go Broke Before Resuming Talks In Fall
EXCLUSIVE, updated with AMPTP statement: Regardless of whether SAG-AFTRA goes on strike this week, the studios have no intention of sitting down with the Writers Guild for several more months.
"I think we're in for a long strike, and they're going to let it bleed out," said one industry veteran intimate with the POV of studio CEOs.
With the scribes' strike now finishing its 71st day and the actors' union just 30 hours from a possible labor action of its own, the Alliance of Motion Picture and Television Producers are planning to dig in hard this fall before even entertaining the idea of more talks with the WGA, I've learned. "Not Halloween precisely, but late October, for sure, is the intention," says a top-tier producer close to the Carol Lombardini-run AMPTP.
While some dismiss this as just "cynical strike talk," studio and streamer sources around town confirm the strategy. They also confirm that the plan to grind down the guild has long been in the works for a labor cycle that all sides agree is a game-changer one way or another for Hollywood.
"It's been agreed to for months, even before the WGA went out," one executive said. "Nobody wanted a strike, but everybody knew this was make or break."
Receiving positive feedback from Wall Street since the WGA went on strike May 2, Warner Bros Discovery, Apple, Netflix, Amazon, Disney, Paramount and others have become determined to "break the WGA," as one studio exec blatantly put it.
To do so, the studios and the AMPTP believe that by October most writers will be running out of money after five months on the picket lines and no work.
"The endgame is to allow things to drag on until union members start losing their apartments and losing their houses," a studio executive told Deadline. Acknowledging the cold-as-ice approach, several other sources reiterated the statement. One insider called it "a cruel but necessary evil."
The studios and streamers' next think financially strapped writers would go to WGA leadership and demand they restart talks before what could be a very cold Christmas. In that context, the studios and streamers feel they would be in a position to dictate most of the terms of any possible deal.
The severe method comes out of the guild's successful battle with the agencies in 2021 over dismantling the lucrative practice of packaging. The WGA picked off one agency after another until final holdout WME backed down, a tactic seen as a warning sign by many in the studio and streamer C-suites.
Convinced that "giving in," as another insider put it, to the writers will result in every contract cycle from the WGA, IATSE, the Teamsters and more ending in a strike, the AMPTP is aiming for the bottom line.
Publicly, the AMPTP are refuting the so-called October surprise.
"These anonymous people are not speaking on behalf of the AMPTP or member companies, who are committed to reaching a deal and getting our industry back to work," a spokesperson for the organization says.
Still, since the WGA called its first strike in 15 years in early May, there have been no discussions between the AMPTP and the guild despite persistent public guild offers to meet. Sources close to the AMPTP insist there has been no direct offer from the WGA leadership to resume talks.
Still, as pickets went up and productions shut down in the strike's early weeks, studio bosses almost uniformly offered banal praise to the writers but no public proposals to get the them back to work. In the meantime, as network schedules shift to unscripted shows and streamers buy up foreign content, the studios and streamers have been saving money on shuttered productions and cost-cutting.
On a parallel track and reinforcing the AMPTP's divide-and-conquer approach, negotiations with the Director's Guild in late May proved a success, with ratification coming last month. Even if the 160,000-member SAG-AFTRA joins the WGA on the picket lines, the studios hope to get the actors back to the negotiating table in a few weeks.
A new SAG-AFTRA deal would not see production restart, but it could allow actors to promote projects already set for release. A move that studios hope would further the WGA going into the latter part of the year.
The WGA did not respond to request for comment today from Deadline. If or when they do we will update this post.
https://deadline.com/2023/07/writers-strike-hollywood-studios-deal-fight-wga-actors-1235434335/
Quote from: Ingwar on Jul 14, 2023, 02:27:51 PMQuote from: Enjoy on Jul 14, 2023, 01:30:03 PMComputer generated actors and A.I written scripts here we come.
Have you seen The Witcher by Netflix? I bet AI written scripts would have been way better than this abomination ;D
It might be interesting to train ChatGPT on the Witcher novels, then ask it to write a screen adaptation of them and see how it compares to the slop that Netflix served up.
Can you actually train ChatGPT? According to Michio Kaku it's just a chat bot. It doesn't create anything by itself, unless Kaku is wrong. It homogenizes existing stuff already made by humans. In this case stuff written by Sapkowski. Therefore referring to your post: I'm pretty sure it would have done better job than Witcher witters as it would simply follow plot and dialogue in the books without adding anything from itself as it's incapable of doing so.
Quote from: Ingwar on Jul 14, 2023, 06:44:53 PM"The endgame is to allow things to drag on until union members start losing their apartments and losing their houses," a studio executive told Deadline. Acknowledging the cold-as-ice approach, several other sources reiterated the statement. One insider called it "a cruel but necessary evil."
https://twitter.com/hearinladotcom/status/1679944957984133120
What a legend!
Quote from: Mike's Monsters on Jul 14, 2023, 05:23:58 PMQuote from: SiL on Jul 14, 2023, 12:33:15 PMSeries*
Film is done, unless the editors go on strike...
We don't know about that. Shooting is done, but they may need to do ADR and such. If that's the case, the film is stopped too.
Or we just get real shit audio
Quote from: Ingwar on Jul 14, 2023, 09:57:33 PMCan you actually train ChatGPT? According to Michio Kaku it's just a chat bot. It doesn't create anything by itself, unless Kaku is wrong. It homogenizes existing stuff already made by humans. In this case stuff written by Sapkowski. Therefore referring to your post: I'm pretty sure it would have done better job than Witcher witters as it would simply follow plot and dialogue in the books without adding anything from itself as it's incapable of doing so.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSpv4zX9dF8
From what I heard, it's a very capable predictive text generator. Not sure if what Kaku said here is wrong, buuuut he's wrong about a bunch of stuff regarding physics (just watch some of his debates with his collogues), so nothing I hear from him or Joe, I can't take seriously.
And F off to the lousy CEO's who don't want to pay people what they deserve.
You "train" chat-gpt by feeding it information, giving it a larger data set to draw from.
Worryingly producers and executives aren't likely to take the strikes seriously and potentially exploit loopholes and cheaper methods which will impact the crew, craftsman, set builders, technicians, cast many people in the production who are inadequately compensated and the quality of the show could suffer.
▶Stopped clock (https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Stopped_clock)
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Quote from: Still Collating... on Jul 15, 2023, 01:42:35 AMQuote from: Ingwar on Jul 14, 2023, 09:57:33 PMCan you actually train ChatGPT? According to Michio Kaku it's just a chat bot. It doesn't create anything by itself, unless Kaku is wrong. It homogenizes existing stuff already made by humans. In this case stuff written by Sapkowski. Therefore referring to your post: I'm pretty sure it would have done better job than Witcher witters as it would simply follow plot and dialogue in the books without adding anything from itself as it's incapable of doing so.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSpv4zX9dF8
From what I heard, it's a very capable predictive text generator. Not sure if what Kaku said here is wrong, buuuut he's wrong about a bunch of stuff regarding physics (just watch some of his debates with his collogues), so nothing I hear from him or Joe, I can't take seriously.
...not to mantion how mutch his UFO fans love him.
https://twitter.com/WeAreLight05/status/1545635031770595329
We deviate from the topic. I don't care what he has to say about UFO and whether some UFO maniacs love him or not. We were talking about ChatGPT. One has nothing to do with the other. Also, let's be honest, every physicist is wrong about something regarding their field (Einstein was wrong many times) as we're still in infancy when it comes to understanding the nature of the universe. There is nothing wrong to be wrong when it comes to science as long as we learn from the mistakes. This is how we evolve.
Question: did anything that Kaku said about ChatGPT during interview with Rogan is wrong?
Oh, I don't disagree with the OP, it's just that just because someone with some degree of authority says something, it doesn't mean they're right as you seem to be aware (not to mention Michio Kaku being cited as an expert on everything, I'm not necessarily addressing you though) and when their're right, well it's more like...
...plus the main job of these rock stars of science is to serve as science comunicators for people like you and me in the media 😭👉👈 which is great overall🤓🙏 with Carl Sagan being my all-time favourite 8)🙏 . But as you may notice, they are not always so involved in the real world of academic research...and also☝ it's no secret, however, that the line between science fiction (more of a space opera style ;D ) and Mr. Kaku's
intellectual claims is rather
thin...I also forgot to mention how vaguely I know how science works.
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Jul 15, 2023, 12:23:24 PMOh, I don't disagree with the OP, it's just that just because someone with some degree of authority says something, it doesn't mean they're right as you seem to be aware
Absolutely. I'm not an expert hence I referred to Kaku but it could have been any other scientist.
Fede's Alien was filmed without being able to make changes to the script on set. It's something normal and they couldn't because of the strike. The director can make small changes to the script on set, but no more.
The re-recordings are important and more so in this context where they could not improve the script on set.
All movies need to improve the script on set and especially small or large reshoots.
Now they can't do reshoots without actors.
The crew of the series has added Nane Cornelius as "set decoration buyer Europe". Looking at his resume, he works only on films shot in Berlin. Pretty high likelihood Berlin will be the European location this will be filming at.
Also that fuels my theory Prodigy City is meant to be in futuristic Germany. Or at least is purposefully Germany-coded lol.
https://twitter.com/sagaftra/status/1684048950796623874
I heard studio execs had trees cut down that provided shade to the protesters. Trees owned by the city. Imagine that mindset.
Quote from: Enjoy on Jul 27, 2023, 02:04:56 PMI heard studio execs had trees cut down that provided shade to the protesters. Trees owned by the city. Imagine that mindset.
Yep. They pruned the tree branches that were providing shade. haha crazy.
Yeah, it's true.
I think Marineland bought the surrounding city property so people couldn't protest infront of them.
Quote from: RIP77 on Jul 16, 2023, 02:55:41 PMFede's Alien was filmed without being able to make changes to the script on set. It's something normal and they couldn't because of the strike. The director can make small changes to the script on set, but no more.
But what if they did anyway? What kind of fined and penalties are we talking? I know in other businesses people bread rules and laws all the time because the profits are greater than the fines if caught.
The re-recordings are important and more so in this context where they could not improve the script on set.
All movies need to improve the script on set and especially small or large reshoots.
Now they can't do reshoots without actors.
Writers Strike updates, but I figure I'll post here since we've been using this thread as a sort of catch-all for Strike discussion in general:
Writers Strike: AMPTP, WGA Set Meeting to Discuss Resuming Long-Stalled Contract Talks
https://variety.com/2023/biz/news/writers-strike-carol-lombardini-ellen-stutzman-wga-1235685400/
At this point, even if it ruins an Alien movie, I'm happy if studios completely implode structurally. Hoisted up by their own petard so to speak.
If the strike doesn't do it, then the AI sweep that will come will definitely. It wouldn't be a 'revolution' in any sense, but more like a slow death and beautiful rebirth of something new.
Think about it: if writers could be 'replaced', then executives, CEOs and Investors can too. It's not that they'd accept that...but if you /showed/ it was possible, you'd basically be stripping away any importance and belief in them that they hold as people at the top of the food chain.
If only.
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Aug 02, 2023, 05:05:12 PMIf only.
TLDR: The CEOS are not worried about AI taking over humanity or the people under them, or about the damage they're personally causing...but that it'll be eventually shown that they too are expendable and replaceable by AI. And being cut off from that money scares the shit out of them the most, lol.
https://twitter.com/Variety/status/1687078782975246336
Awful.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Aug 03, 2023, 12:44:27 PMhttps://twitter.com/Variety/status/1687078782975246336
Awful.
I swear, a nuclear holocaust could be going on, and these ghoulish pricks would be talking about how much money they saved for special effects.
Like how they used video of the Beirut explosion as the base of a special effects shot in that new sci-fi movie The Creator?
Quote from: SiL on Aug 05, 2023, 04:47:05 AMLike how they used video of the Beirut explosion as the base of a special effects shot in that new sci-fi movie The Creator?
I....I...
Already posted this in the Marvel thread, but just going to cross-post it here for eventual relevance if/when it swings around to impact this:
https://twitter.com/MorePerfectUS/status/1688660261497196544
Glad to hear. Let's hope more follow suit.
It's getting worse. I doubt it will be solved this year.
SiL's wish might come true after all.
What's his wish? To burn it down?
This series might still be able to continue production using non SAG-AFTRA talent.
Gladiator II however is now in danger of getting scrapped if the strike really is going to spill over into next year.
Quote from: Ingwar on Aug 08, 2023, 08:41:19 PMIt's getting worse. I doubt it will be solved this year.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_OEgpFnpA8
It guess it'll have to expand to more sectors and go on.
https://twitter.com/THR/status/1689241852971569152
Iger's been flirting with this for years and years now. Would be absolutely f**king terrible if it were to go through. Disney gutting important studios, impacting the industry as we know it, and then selling odds and ends for spare parts in order to bring forth yet another merger that should in no way be legal?
I hope this never steps up to become anything more than a pipe dream in the rotting brains of some shitty corporate overlords.
EDIT:
https://twitter.com/Collider/status/1689283106916782080
Also incredibly f**king vile...
I say go for it. Let this blob grow as big as possible - I just want to see the explosion
Yea, it's going to be beautiful disaster ... and at the and they will sell it to apple. Mark my words.
I asked ChatGPT to write a Marvel scene with Joss Whedon style quips. This is what I got:
INT. AVENGERS TOWER - NIGHT
The Avengers are gathered around a table, planning their next move. TONY STARK (Iron Man) is at the head of the table, smirking. STEVE ROGERS (Captain America), NATASHA ROMANOFF (Black Widow), BRUCE BANNER (Hulk), THOR, and CLINT BARTON (Hawkeye) are all present.
TONY: So, we're all agreed then? We go in, we smash, we grab, we save the day. Easy as pie.
STEVE: Pie isn't easy to make, Tony.
TONY: You would know, Cap. How's the 1940s recipe book treating you?
NATASHA: Can we focus, please? The world's in danger, remember?
BRUCE: (dryly) Is it ever not?
CLINT: I think it took a day off last Tuesday.
THOR: A day off? On Asgard, we battle every moment!
TONY: (grinning) And they say I never take a break.
STEVE: (serious) Enough. We need a plan, not jokes.
TONY: (mock salute) Aye aye, Captain Serious.
NATASHA: (to Tony) You know, for a genius, you act like a child.
TONY: (feigning hurt) Ouch. Right in the ego.
BRUCE: (muttering) What ego?
THOR: (confused) What is this "ego" you speak of?
CLINT: It's like Mjölnir, but for Tony's head.
TONY: (laughing) Nice one, Legolas.
STEVE: (firmly) Enough! We have work to do.
TONY: (sobering) You're right, Cap. Let's save the world. Again.
NATASHA: (smirking) It's what we do best.
BRUCE: (dryly) And they say practice makes perfect.
They all get up, ready to face the challenge ahead, but not without one last quip.
TONY: Alright, team, let's go be heroes. Or, you know, just another day at the office.
They head out, ready to face whatever comes next.
FADE TO BLACK.
That's all Disney has to do now. They'll rake in the billions and never pay another living writer ever again.
You unimaginable bastard
It's as if they've been letting ChatGPT write their scripts for the past ten years anyway.
Do they not realise that the movies audiences are going to replace with their own home-made AI creations are the blockbusters? Nobody's going to sit down with MyOwnMovie AI and make a twee indie romcom, they're going for spectacle.
Star Wars fans will reshoot half your f**king TV show and edit it into something new, they're going to pounce on these tools when they're mature.
Hollywood has determined that the most profitable way to do business is exploit existing IPS - sequels, remakes, adaptations, reboots, etc - because of the inbuilt audience and brand recognition. But that means a whole lot of audiences who have very specific ideas about what they want to see in those movies. When they have the tools to make them with minimal effort, they'll take it.
I naively hope the upcoming aftermath of strikes will be this:
1. Blockbusters will be cheaper (nowadays movies are ridiculously expensive) because cheaper means more creative freedom. More freedom, better quality product.
2. There will be less movies made each year. Let's be honest, majority of movies are sheer garbage. It's quantity over quality but it should be the other way round. Less is more.
3. Less CGI, more practical effects. Back to the roots.
The only one that seems likely is number 2, which seems poised to happen regardless as studios realise people don't have as much time post-pandemic and aren't ravenously consuming content like they were.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Aug 09, 2023, 06:20:47 PMIt's as if they've been letting ChatGPT write their scripts for the past ten years anyway.
Design-by-committee movies function similarly to a large language model, so yeah. They could literally do it and probably get away with it in
most some cases. That goes to my unsupported contention that most studio heads could be replaced by AIs and nobody would know the difference. All financial computation, all demographics and marketing, all business-like and giving the appearance of intelligence, linguistically anyway, but no soul or brain.
Indie movies might be the future.
That might be for the best.
When everyone can ask a generative AI to make a blockbuster movie, nobody's going to give a shit about Hollywood's specific generative AI output.
Hollywood will just end up back where they started -- actual actors, practical sets and effects, etc. It'll become the only selling point, and they'll be the only ones with the budget to pull it off.
I can't wait until I can just ask AI to make a better sequel to Aliens and voila.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Aug 13, 2023, 09:37:54 PMI can't wait until I can just ask AI to make a better sequel to Aliens and voila.
Pretty sure that already exists (https://youtu.be/EfOOOAN9e9w).
But Local could ask for 30% more Turk.
https://twitter.com/THR/status/1692170696410157184
Today's Dune: Part Two delay from this November to next March means that the studios are really in this for the long haul. They've put their feet in the dirt and aren't budging any time soon at all; they have the resources and they're trying to just bleed the SAG/WGA members dry at this point. Disgusting. :-\
But they cannot bleed them out as SAG/WGA members have second jobs anyway, because they cannot earn decent money for working in multi billion movie industry. That's the most disgusting thing for me. I truly hope that the shit studios made for themselves will hit the fan with full force. It will get messy.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Aug 10, 2023, 08:44:35 PMThat might be for the best.
I honestly my agree because I'm not hearing good stuff about the leaks, so maybe they get a restart The show and have another plot point is good
Quote from: Thatguy2068 on Sep 06, 2023, 05:16:35 PMQuote from: Local Trouble on Aug 10, 2023, 08:44:35 PMThat might be for the best.
I honestly my agree because I'm not hearing good stuff about the leaks, so maybe they get a restart The show and have another plot point is good
This show's been greenlit since 2020 and was originally pitched well before the Disney purchase of Fox. No start/stop at this point, due to the strike or anything else, is likely going to prompt Hawley & co. to totally reset what the overall vision is.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Sep 06, 2023, 05:25:08 PMQuote from: Thatguy2068 on Sep 06, 2023, 05:16:35 PMQuote from: Local Trouble on Aug 10, 2023, 08:44:35 PMThat might be for the best.
I honestly my agree because I'm not hearing good stuff about the leaks, so maybe they get a restart The show and have another plot point is good
This show's been greenlit since 2020 and was originally pitched well before the Disney purchase of Fox. No start/stop at this point, due to the strike or anything else, is likely going to prompt Hawley & co. to totally reset what the overall vision is.
After what I just heard in the other thread about specific leak, Yeah they really need to reset on the plot, Because what I just heard was baloney
Spoiler
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3RwxdzP8rG4
https://twitter.com/TheWrap/status/1701426487386382445
https://variety.com/2023/biz/news/wga-strike-kenya-barris-noah-hawley-showrunner-meeting-1235721321/
"The message that several different clusters of showrunners are trying to send to guild leaders is clear: "It's not 'We're coming after you' but 'How can we help?' " in the words of one showrunner who has been involved.
There's been a concerted effort to keep this activity quiet, but that all boiled over late last week and on Monday. A group steered in part by showrunners Kenya Barris and Noah Hawley sought to set up a private meeting with Goodman and Keyser at a discreet location with about 20 to 30 writers.
Showrunners who steer multiple shows such as Barris and Hawley are feeling frustration as they field stories of hardship from crew members, support staff, outside vendors and others who depend on their shows being in production."
Thread:
https://twitter.com/xhurwitz/status/1701451332140650941
https://twitter.com/mikescollins/status/1701966184793395473
I hope they will lose some subscribers.
https://twitter.com/DiscussingFilm/status/1701977155247190315
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Sep 13, 2023, 06:50:06 PMhttps://twitter.com/DiscussingFilm/status/1701977155247190315
I hope there is one around the comic book industry too. They too being paid pennies and salt bags, and with some not so great management. Maybe then we wouldn't have so many traced art due to super crunch deadlines and artists who don't look like they had years shaven off them.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Sep 13, 2023, 06:50:06 PMhttps://twitter.com/DiscussingFilm/status/1701977155247190315
They have to, as well as all the other VFX workers in the industry. And it's not just about fair pay and working hours, AI is going to deal a devastating blow to that particular line of work.
https://x.com/WillTheLandMan/status/1702098424789704763?s=20
Quote from: Gimitko on Sep 15, 2023, 05:52:11 PMhttps://x.com/WillTheLandMan/status/1702098424789704763?s=20
Here's an embedded version since Twitter is junk these days:
https://twitter.com/WillTheLandMan/status/1702098424789704763
Hollywood writers in deal to end US studio strike (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-66909250)
QuoteScreenwriters in the US say they have reached a tentative deal with studio bosses that could see them end a strike that has lasted nearly five months.
The Writers Guild of America (WGA) said it was "exceptional - with meaningful gains and protections for writers". WGA members must still have a final say.
It is the longest strike to affect Hollywood in decades and has halted most film and TV production.
A separate dispute involves actors, who are also on strike.
Very glad to hear that things seem to be winding down on the WGA strike in the writers' favor, but also, the trades continue to be the f**king worst. "Content industry" :-X
https://twitter.com/Variety/status/1706134925055811817
it's joever
Still, the SAG strike might still take longer than anticipated. I guess studios need writers before they need actors, though.
https://twitter.com/THR/status/1706821714003567060
so after all this are they gonna still keep the same story or change it?
Quote from: Thatguy2068 on Oct 03, 2023, 06:55:28 PMso after all this are they gonna still keep the same story or change it?
Why would they change it? The scripts are written and Hawley has had this idea living in his head since 2017 or so.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Oct 03, 2023, 11:15:31 PMQuote from: Thatguy2068 on Oct 03, 2023, 06:55:28 PMso after all this are they gonna still keep the same story or change it?
Why would they change it? The scripts are written and Hawley has had this idea living in his head since 2017 or so.
Well, crap. I was just wishing That it would because I don't like the premise from the leaks. Alright let's see if the show is bad or not.
If?
https://twitter.com/sagaftra/status/1712368110253285730
Well that f**king suck
What Lies Ahead for Hollywood? Insiders Weigh In
What comes after peak TV? What's the next labor battle? Whose stories will still be told? THR asked four Hollywood players from different corners of the industry for their predictions on what a post-strike era might look like.
QuoteNoah Hawley on TV's Coming 'Clarity' Era
The last five years in Hollywood, as in America, have been defined by complexity. We've seen it both in the sophistication of prestige TV, and in the labyrinthine distribution systems we have to navigate in order to watch it. I think the next five years will place the emphasis on clarity. The audience of the near future will shy away from entertainment that feels too "real" — i.e., topical and morally ambiguous. At the same time, the market will consolidate. Five hundred shows will become 300. Ten streamers will become five. With fewer shows and films to watch, stars will become more meaningful in attracting audiences, with celebrity offering its own kind of clarity.
In this new phase of the business, viewers will gravitate toward stories that make sense to them, not ones where the imagined world, like our real one, is divided and hard to fathom. This doesn't have to mean a retreat to formulaic procedurals, but it will challenge storytellers to innovate inside a smaller box. My hope is that this emphasis on clarity will preserve the gains we've made in whose stories get told, but I think we'll see less demand for experimentation and creative risk overall. That said, I know filmmakers will rise to the challenge. Every Hollywood era has had its gems. I'm excited to see (and hopefully make) the classics of our future.
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/lists/hollywood-future-writers-actors-strikes-insider-predictions/the-new-playing-field/
Dunno, 'complex', 'morally ambiguous' TV for me is stuff like The Wire, Six Feet Under, Boardwalk Empire, Sopranos etc.
Not sure where he sees this kind of TV (in abundance) in the last five years?
Succession, Midnight Mass, Cyberpunk Edgerunners, and Fargo all come to mind, I am sure I am forgetting some as well.
Not a huge fan of Succession, but it's kind "objectively" good, I guess. Have to check out the rest.
Still, Sopranos and Rome alone have about as much Episodes as all the shows you've listed. I just don't really see the "defined by complexity" part (especially with lots of streaming series being more like the outright opposite of complex imo)
From his podcast appearances I remember that Noah thinks The Boys, Lovecraft Country and Station Eleven are "just ok, nothing special" and actively dislikes Yellowstone and its first prequel to the point of Fargo Season 5 being anti-Yellowstone with Jon Hamm playing a homicidal John Dutton type.
https://twitter.com/DEADLINE/status/1718050405278761376
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Oct 12, 2023, 08:08:34 PMhttps://twitter.com/sagaftra/status/1712368110253285730
You know Iger, I don't know which species is worse. You don't see them f**king each other over for a goddamn percentage
https://twitter.com/DEADLINE/status/1718762928407752760
https://twitter.com/DEADLINE/status/1721602966388367377
https://twitter.com/THR/status/1722413819518206076