Poll
Question:
Which ALIEN design did you preffer out of: AVP & AVPR
Option 1: AVP
votes: 175
Option 2: AVPR
votes: 87
I thought the "GRID" ALIEN design like in ALIENS was better.
What do you guys think? 8)
I like the desgin in AVPR better. They look cooler and they remind of the desgin in Aliens. The desgins in AVP act too much like Dinosaurs and the long tail was annoying.
AVP aliens looked a whole lot better and more menacing onscreen.
I actually preferred the Requiem designs, but the way they were portrayed on-screen didn't do them justice.
Really, they were the same looking creatures, just with different heads.
And those different heads sucked rancid donkey balls.
I honestly thought they looked decent, the only part I didn't like was the giant protruding fangs, which looked out of place.
Both designs were vastly inferior to those in the previous Alien movies anyway.
Requiem
AvP.
AvP. Didn't really like the Aliens in AvP-R, they were too short, their mouths/teeth were weird and their heads were too skinny with those ridges that just looked silly.
AvP. It's what makes it on screen that counts, and in that regard AvPR's Aliens was a new low point for the species.
AVPR
avp, they looked more menacing and they actually looked tall compared to the predators..
The Aliens in AVP seemed smaller than the ones in AVPR. Do you agree?
It seemed the opposite to me. Wolf threw the aliens in AVP-R around like they were small children. The only one amongst them that actually seemed genuinely large & menacing was the predalien.
Quote from: Chris P on May 30, 2008, 01:53:59 PM
The Aliens in AVP seemed smaller than the ones in AVPR. Do you agree?
Nope, not at all.
Quote from: gameoverman on May 29, 2008, 10:42:50 PM
AVP aliens looked a whole lot better and more menacing onscreen.
What he said.
Quote from: DoomRulz on May 30, 2008, 04:13:19 PM
Quote from: gameoverman on May 29, 2008, 10:42:50 PM
AVP aliens looked a whole lot better and more menacing onscreen.
What he said.
The jaw on the Aliens from AVPR were a little bit much. If they kept the AVP Alien design, just changed the head to what they were in AVPR (GRID) that would have looked better.
Quote from: Chris P on May 30, 2008, 08:02:59 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on May 30, 2008, 04:13:19 PM
Quote from: gameoverman on May 29, 2008, 10:42:50 PM
AVP aliens looked a whole lot better and more menacing onscreen.
What he said.
The jaw on the Aliens from AVPR were a little bit much. If they kept the AVP Alien design, just changed the head to what they were in AVPR (GRID) that would have looked better.
Agreed. The teeth looked as though they were growing out of the lips.
Quote from: DoomRulz on May 30, 2008, 11:26:12 PM
Quote from: Chris P on May 30, 2008, 08:02:59 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on May 30, 2008, 04:13:19 PM
Quote from: gameoverman on May 29, 2008, 10:42:50 PM
AVP aliens looked a whole lot better and more menacing onscreen.
What he said.
The jaw on the Aliens from AVPR were a little bit much. If they kept the AVP Alien design, just changed the head to what they were in AVPR (GRID) that would have looked better.
Agreed. The teeth looked as though they were growing out of the lips.
I know right? They went a little bit "overboard" on that design. In my opinion.
Quote from: Chris P on May 30, 2008, 08:02:59 PM
The jaw on the Aliens from AVPR were a little bit much. If they kept the AVP Alien design, just changed the head to what they were in AVPR (GRID) that would have looked better.
I think you might be mixed up. "Grid" was the nickname of the alien in AVP which killed Celtic & Scar, identified by the grid-like marks on its head caused by Celtic's net.
And as far as your comment about taking the AVP alien design & putting a different head on them...well that
is what they did.
Just think, we wouldnt be having this conversation if Stan Winston had been on board from the very beginning, LIKE HE SHOULD HAVE BEEN! Screw you Fox and your cheep executive low-budget asses!
That being said, for me it's actually requiem for me, reminds me of Cameron's aliens. Guilty as charged.
you know, I do like both designs, I don't think their awesome like the first two though. I like the avp one, is actually the first design I knew, what I liked about the ones in avpr was the fact that they looked like different versions of the ones on avp but still the same, a part in the sewer
when chet impregnates the homeless people is almost completely alike (reversed though) to when grid turns to look at celtic before he starts running to gris, that's something I really liked.
Quote from: Tundro on May 31, 2008, 02:48:02 AM
That being said, for me it's actually requiem for me, reminds me of Cameron's aliens. Guilty as charged.
You must not remember his aliens very well.
One thing I give Anderson credit for - he knows how to shoot aliens. Not one shot did I think that the aliens looked fake or retarded looking.
And every shot was great - you could really make out the detail.
AVPR - holy f**k - when you could barely make them out. I admit, some shots I liked. The alien running along the ceiling looked good.
But the aliens on the rooftop were a disgrace! They looked like muppets. :D It was like a carnival game - they kept bobbing up and down in the background. It was the most retarded thing I've ever seen. :-X
I have to agree with you there mate, the rooftop scene was hilarious for all the wrong reasons. The part that really made me laugh my head off was when Dallas shot one of the aliens with the plasmacaster, & it flew backwards, ass-first into the air with its feet flailing everywhere. You just can't watch that with a straight face.
Quote from: Stalker on May 31, 2008, 07:55:48 AM
I have to agree with you there mate, the rooftop scene was hilarious for all the wrong reasons. The part that really made me laugh my head off was when Dallas shot one of the aliens with the plasmacaster, & it flew backwards, ass-first into the air with its feet flailing everywhere. You just can't watch that with a straight face.
:D :D :D :D YEP. That was pretty funny.
AvP. They had a nice sleek dome with a nice pattern underneath. They look much, much better than they do in AvPR, they're smart, agile and are worthy of being called 'Aliens'.
Quote from: War Wager on May 31, 2008, 09:29:06 PM
AvP. They had a nice sleek dome with a nice pattern underneath. They look much, much better than they do in AvPR, they're smart, agile and are worthy of being called 'Aliens'.
Well i wouldnt call much of anything after 1997 'aliens' but ill agree the AvP creatures looked alot more dangerous and realistic then the ones in requiem. The shot that just oozed fake was the shot through the night vision goggles.
Agreed. The way it's dorsal tubes just flap around... ugh. :-X
They both sucked but the AVP aliens sucked less and the Predalien chestburster in AVP didn't look like a puppet.
Quote from: Chris P on May 30, 2008, 08:02:59 PM
If they kept the AVP Alien design, just changed the head to what they were in AVPR (GRID) that would have looked better.
...
That is what they did...
I think the bodies were different.
Alien: Resurrection
AvP
AvP:R
are exactly same Alien Body / legs / arms
only head change.
ADI didn't progress so much, they copy paste what they made with some little "add".
I think AvP alien was the one who worked the best on screen.
Resurrection has the canine legs (obviously not the costume - but the design and how it appeared on screen).
Quote from: That Yellow Alien on Jun 01, 2008, 05:14:58 PM
Quote from: Chris P on May 30, 2008, 08:02:59 PM
If they kept the AVP Alien design, just changed the head to what they were in AVPR (GRID) that would have looked better.
...
That is what they did...
No, if you noticed, the jaw had changed.
Quote from: Chris P on Jun 01, 2008, 10:53:26 PM
Quote from: That Yellow Alien on Jun 01, 2008, 05:14:58 PM
Quote from: Chris P on May 30, 2008, 08:02:59 PM
If they kept the AVP Alien design, just changed the head to what they were in AVPR (GRID) that would have looked better.
...
That is what they did...
No, if you noticed, the jaw had changed.
Yea cus they canged the heads and necks not the suits.
Quote from: PREDATOR KING on Jun 01, 2008, 11:00:42 PM
Quote from: Chris P on Jun 01, 2008, 10:53:26 PM
Quote from: That Yellow Alien on Jun 01, 2008, 05:14:58 PM
Quote from: Chris P on May 30, 2008, 08:02:59 PM
If they kept the AVP Alien design, just changed the head to what they were in AVPR (GRID) that would have looked better.
...
That is what they did...
No, if you noticed, the jaw had changed.
Yea cus they canged the heads and necks not the suits.
Right. 8)
You said the AVPR Aliens would have looked better had they kept the AVP bodies and only changed the heads.
That is exactly what they did. They reused the same molds from AVP and just slapped a new head on it. Still looked like crap. Just pointing that out.
There was nothing wrong with the AVP heads - they looked good.
Quote from: gameoverman on Jun 02, 2008, 01:22:23 AM
There was nothing wrong with the AVP heads - they looked good.
Yes, I agree. However, I found the "GRID" look of the crest to look more fierce and intimidating, not to mention, cooler.
As I mentioned on the last page, Grid was the nickname of the lead alien from the first AVP, it does not refer to the ridge-headed warrior designs used in AVP-R.
Quote from: Stalker on Jun 02, 2008, 02:28:57 PM
As I mentioned on the last page, Grid was the nickname of the lead alien from the first AVP, it does not refer to the ridge-headed warrior designs used in AVP-R.
Actually it was mentioned to compare the Aliens from the movie: ALIENS. It was a coinsidence that the leader ALien in AVP used the same name.
When was Grid ever used to refer to the Aliens creatures?
First time I ever heard Grid in reference to Aliens was the Grid Alien in AvP. Never once heard the Aliens creatures called that.
QuoteWhen was Grid ever used to refer to the Aliens creatures?
Never.
Sorry then, I must have been mistaken. I was always under the impression of that is what they were called. I had heard it somewhere, I think. Alright then, no harm done; I will say this instead:
I preffered the "WARRIOR-Like" crests for the ALiens as opposed to the slik crests.
The most common names are 'ridged' or 'ribbed' (for her pleasure) and 'smooth'.
Quote from: SM on Jun 03, 2008, 02:14:48 AM
The most common names are 'ridged' or 'ribbed' (for her pleasure) and 'smooth'.
RIGHT! That was what it was. Thank you! It was on the tip of my tongue, but just wouldn't come out! Thanks.
AvP Aliens get my vote. The only thing I didn't like about them were the 10ft long tail scene with Chopper and the brief CGI panther looking momment when they pause to jump on the queen. Other than that they were pretty good.
AvPR Aliens-
Flaccid, noodle-like dorsal tubes
Weird lower Jaw design with extremely transparent tendons.
Huge necks
Overall fake rubbery look.
Completely inept in the film.
Neither.
AVP- grid was a joke (take an alien and mark it up w/ a net, the end) and so was it's 15' tail that magically shrinks and expands.
The other aliens just looked dull and didn't offer anything new or exciting.
AVPR- I can't even see them and they seem to get dusted off too fast to see what they look like. Chet looks kinda stupid to me. The dreadlocks were huge and just in the way the whole time. The mandibles looked like they were glued on the side and not actually a part of the head. The mandibles overall make the face unnecessarily wide like a square.
I don't see why everyones bitchin' about Grids tail being huge and then returning to normal. Anderson wanted the Alien to appear out of the dark rather than just be there. It looks really good.
B/c every other Alien film had Aliens' tails upwards of 7 feet in length, right?
It don't matter, it was only done for dramatic effect. It returns back to normal from then on.
Which is inconsistent with what was already seen earlier on. I call that shoddy film-making.
Quote from: War Wager on Jun 03, 2008, 06:08:04 PM
It don't matter, it was only done for dramatic effect. It returns back to normal from then on.
Hey I have an easy fix for them, make the stupid ledge the Alien was sitting on shorter! It solves the extendo-tail problem. I guess they wanted that drama of lifting the Pred up that high.
It did make it more dramatic. Theres a lot people can complain about AvP, but seriously, having the tail longer for that little scene? There are better things to bitch about.
Worse is more like it.
I thought Grid's tail scene fpr the first time was awsome! I loved how he emerged from the dark, to come face to face with his enemy. That was awsome. I didn't care about the lengths of their tails. WarWager is right, why get so worked up? It really has no significance in the film.
Quote from: Chris P on Jun 03, 2008, 10:38:01 PM
I thought Grid's tail scene fpr the first time was awsome! I loved how he emerged from the dark, to come face to face with his enemy. That was awsome. I didn't care about the lengths of their tails. WarWager is right, why get so worked up? It really has no significance in the film.
That was really an iconic moment - the best in the whole series. :)
QuoteI call that shoddy film-making.
Lazy shoddy filmmaking. In the extreme.
Quote from: gameoverman on Jun 03, 2008, 11:43:49 PM
Quote from: Chris P on Jun 03, 2008, 10:38:01 PM
I thought Grid's tail scene fpr the first time was awsome! I loved how he emerged from the dark, to come face to face with his enemy. That was awsome. I didn't care about the lengths of their tails. WarWager is right, why get so worked up? It really has no significance in the film.
That was really an iconic moment - the best in the whole series. :)
I like the part but it seem s to me like they make to much a deal of it.
C -I'm about to kill you bitch!
N(arrator) -But wait! what's that! :o
N -it's the tail!
C -oh shit!
Harald Kloser -Tun Tun Tun Tan!
A -haha, I have no eyes!
C -damn you grid! your to powerful, you'l pay for this!
Harald Kloser -TaRaTaTaRamn!!
G - I'l eat you!
Quote from: gameoverman on Jun 03, 2008, 11:43:49 PM
Quote from: Chris P on Jun 03, 2008, 10:38:01 PM
I thought Grid's tail scene fpr the first time was awsome! I loved how he emerged from the dark, to come face to face with his enemy. That was awsome. I didn't care about the lengths of their tails. WarWager is right, why get so worked up? It really has no significance in the film.
That was really an iconic moment - the best in the whole series. :)
The only part of AvP that seemed iconic in any way was the brief faceoff b/w Celtic and Grid right before they charge one another. The music helped too.
everything about the avp aliens was better.
they were the right height, and as strong as the preds.
Quote from: marrerom on Jun 04, 2008, 08:47:33 AM
everything about the avp aliens was better.
they were the right height, and as strong as the preds.
Right. I agree in that aspect.
i think in avp-r they redisigned the aliens to make the predalien look bigger faster tougher and scarier. just a thought thou :-\ :-\
Quote from: KILLa l Yautja on Jun 22, 2008, 09:35:31 AM
i think in avp-r they redisigned the aliens to make the predalien look bigger faster tougher and scarier. just a thought thou :-\ :-\
Except they failed on all those counts.
Thats very true. Compare the Aliens to Chet and they look nothing alike. It's not supposed to be that way.
Quote from: War Wager on Jun 22, 2008, 02:35:06 PM
Thats very true. Compare the Aliens to Chet and they look nothing alike. It's not supposed to be that way.
Ya, Chet was easily bigger than Wolf so it's a false point.
I found the "look of the Aliens in AVPR to look fake. The teeth looked to be coming out of their lips. They didn't look scary at all. More like "over-enthused"/.
The AvP aliens had the same problem with the teeth. Look closely.
The teeth on the AVP Aliens didn't stick out like on the AVPR Aliens.......
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What do you call that?
Doesn't stick out as far as this though
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The mouth tendons are extremely retarded as well.
If it makes you all happy, they both had design flaws that made them look less intimidating. BUT, I found that the Aliens in AVP to look more "Alien-Like" than the ones in AVPR.
Ok, I'll agree with you there.
Quote from: Chris P on Jun 22, 2008, 11:04:23 PM
If it makes you all happy, they both had design flaws that made them look less intimidating. BUT, I found that the Aliens in AVP to look more "Alien-Like" than the ones in AVPR.
Some flaws are worse than others. :D
Quote from: Flaming Firefox on Jun 23, 2008, 12:11:34 AM
Quote from: Chris P on Jun 22, 2008, 11:04:23 PM
If it makes you all happy, they both had design flaws that made them look less intimidating. BUT, I found that the Aliens in AVP to look more "Alien-Like" than the ones in AVPR.
Some flaws are worse than others. :D
AMEN! :D. I don't know why people have to change an already good thing.
looking at the covers of the 2 movies
the aliens teeth dont look that different
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Quote from: KILLa l Yautja on Jun 23, 2008, 03:38:43 AM
looking at the covers of the 2 movies
the aliens teeth dont look that different
http://images.countingdown.com/images/countdowns/movies/546747/1011/3248491_main.jpg
http://www.worstpreviews.com/images/posters/avp2/avp22_large.jpg (http://www.worstpreviews.com/images/posters/avp2/avp22_large.jpg)
There isn't a huge difference. But still the ones from AVPR just looked fake. Their teeth did stick out further. As a matter of fact, their whole face looked as if it had been pulled forward a bit. The ones in AVP just looked a bit better. That's all. ;)
Quote from: Stalker on May 30, 2008, 02:05:22 AM
I actually preferred the Requiem designs, but the way they were portrayed on-screen didn't do them justice.
Really, they were the same looking creatures, just with different heads.
Agreed. I liked them better than the AvP Aliens. I think if they were portrayed differently in the movie they would be so much better and scarier. I think the best Alien parts is the headbite in the Powerstation and the part when they ambush the National Gaurd.
the avp aliens reminded me of the dog aliens more then normal aliens
anyone else thik this
Quote from: KILLa l Yautja on Jun 23, 2008, 07:58:24 PM
the avp aliens reminded me of the dog aliens more then normal aliens
anyone else thik this
Now that I think about it, Grid does seem a bit like the Alien3 when it fights Celtic and the scene with all the Aliens help the Queen out of the harness.
The Aliens in AVP are hands down better! For one, you can see the f**king Aliens and they look better with their dome head. Visually the Aliens is AVP looked fantastic.
In Colins little backyard movie, you couldn't even tell if there were Aliens in it or just homeless people running around in poor lighting with a cape on.
Im sorry PHANTOM,but do you really have to complain about the lighting in every single one of your posts?
Though I would have to agree with the last thing you said,lawl.
Without a doubt, the AvP Alien design.
Quote from: KILLa l Yautja on Jun 23, 2008, 07:58:24 PM
the avp aliens reminded me of the dog aliens more then normal aliens
anyone else thik this
No, Look at their tubes on their backs. What about when Grid was standing and spraying his tail's acid at Celtic? All Aliens go on "all fours" and some stay on two more than others. The runner Alien (A3) was always on all 4s except for a few parts. I always thought the Aliens in AVP were drones. Not Warriors, but I have seen people say that they were warriors. What's up with that?
Quote from: Chris P on Jun 23, 2008, 10:08:06 PM
Quote from: KILLa l Yautja on Jun 23, 2008, 07:58:24 PM
the avp aliens reminded me of the dog aliens more then normal aliens
anyone else thik this
No, Look at their tubes on their backs. What about when Grid was standing and spraying his tail's acid at Celtic? All Aliens go on "all fours" and some stay on two more than others. The runner Alien (A3) was always on all 4s except for a few parts. I always thought the Aliens in AVP were drones. Not Warriors, but I have seen people say that they were warriors. What's up with that?
Really there is not distinction between the two in the movies. Drones and warriors are something that exist as an idea outside the movies.
If you want to be a real cynic about it, the drone, I think, is Kane's Son (smooth head) and the Warrior is Aliens alien.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jun 23, 2008, 10:53:46 PM
If you want to be a real cynic about it, the drone, I think, is Kane's Son (smooth head) and the Warrior is Aliens alien.
That's what I always thought too. ;). I mean, they said the Aliens were like Bees right? That means there are drones, warriors, and a queen. So it would make sense.
Quote from: XenoVC on Jun 23, 2008, 09:12:24 PM
Im sorry PHANTOM,but do you really have to complain about the lighting in every single one of your posts?
Really. ::) This is about the design you like better not wether you could see them or not. Its really gotten old. Get over it.
Quote from: The Wolf on Jun 23, 2008, 11:37:06 PM
Quote from: XenoVC on Jun 23, 2008, 09:12:24 PM
Im sorry PHANTOM,but do you really have to complain about the lighting in every single one of your posts?
Really. ::) This is about the design you like better not wether you could see them or not. Its really gotten old. Get over it.
PHANTOM is right though. With the lighting they had in the film, the ALiens looked "rubber" and artificial. So, he is right in that aspect. It sort of has to do with this topic. How could you see whether you preffer a design if you can't SEE it at all? :D
Since AVP had great visuals you could see all the great details that make the Alien design cool and worth watching to gush over. The dome head and overall look of the Aliens in AVP were all great I thought. I love the part where you see the Grid begining thrown in slow-mo by Celtic, you see all the gritty details that went into it, awesome stuff! I like it.
The Aliens in that retarded BS movie in the end looked like shit and at times I didn't even know if they were there. So I ask you guys this......what was there to like with the Alien warrior design if you can't witness them in action? It's not too hard to understand, try to connect the dots.
"Oh yeah I love that Alien warrior crawling on wall in the sports store, OH YEAH!!! That looks awesome bro! Great design!" ::)
^ Give me a freakin break, the Aliens in AVP looked 20x better!
Quote from: PHANTOM on Jun 24, 2008, 12:03:35 AM
Since AVP had great visuals you could see all the great details that make the Alien design cool and worth watching to gush over. The dome head and overall look of the Aliens in AVP were all great I thought. I love the part where you see the Grid begining thrown in slow-mo by Celtic, you see all the gritty details that went into it, awesome stuff! I like it.
The Aliens in that retarded BS movie in the end looked like shit and at times I didn't even know if they were there. So I ask you guys this......what was there to like with the Alien warrior design if you can't witness them in action? It's not too hard to understand, try to connect the dots.
"Oh yeah I love that Alien warrior crawling on wall in the sports store, OH YEAH!!! That looks awesome bro! Great design!" ::)
^ Give me a freakin break, the Aliens in AVP looked 20x better!
Would you stop whining about the darkness problem? Its really annoying. Yeah you can barely see them in many shots, I think we've all discussed this already. No one is surprised anymore when they read your smartass comments about the darkness. I get it, you can't see shit. Its so funny everytime you think of a new way to say something smart about the darkness problem. When are you going to run out of those clever comments?
I liked the idea of the warrior Aliens in this but I do have to agree, the suit was the same Ressurection suit. It looked very bad except for when they were climbing through the pipes in the power station or whenever they'd look down from a higher level than the Wolf. The face's weren't too bad. The biggest problem was the pipes on there back that wiggled in almost every Alien scene.
If there was something done with the Aliens in AvPr to make them look less like a suit, I'd have no problem saying I prefer it over the AvP Aliens because the AvP aliens were just repainted Ressurection Aliens. But because of the AvPr head, mainly is why I prefer it. I like the redesign of the teeth and everything. It looks real mean.
Quote from: Chris P on Jun 23, 2008, 11:32:07 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jun 23, 2008, 10:53:46 PM
If you want to be a real cynic about it, the drone, I think, is Kane's Son (smooth head) and the Warrior is Aliens alien.
That's what I always thought too. ;). I mean, they said the Aliens were like Bees right? That means there are drones, warriors, and a queen. So it would make sense.
Yes, I agree with you.
"These things aren't bees, man."
Quote from: SM on Jun 24, 2008, 12:36:13 AM
"These things aren't bees, man."
Maybe you haven't seen A L I E N S, or what not, but Hudson reffers to them as "BEES". Plus, if you think about it, they are like freeken bees. They just don't make honey, they aren't sweet at all. Tell me how the Aliens' customs are not like bees? Tell me that. 8)
Maybe YOU haven't seen Aliens but right after the line I posted Hudson - who is apparently an expert on xenobiology - says "I know that".
Now - let's see. Mole rats have a Queen.
Ergo Aliens = Mole Rats.
Kneel before my flawless logic.
::)
Quote from: SM on Jun 24, 2008, 02:35:46 AM
Maybe YOU haven't seen Aliens but right after the line I posted Hudson - who is apparently an expert on xenobiology - says "I know that".
Now - let's see. Mole rats have a Queen.
Ergo Aliens = Mole Rats.
Kneel before my flawless logic.
::)
Dude, no. Beas swarm their pray, like Aliens. Bees are driven by the Queen's pheramone scents, like Aliens. Bees go through a "larva/cacoon" state, like Aliens. How are Mole Rats like this???
I don't have to kneel, you do. You need to grauvel at my intellegance.
Quote from: Chris P on Jun 24, 2008, 02:52:33 AM
Quote from: SM on Jun 24, 2008, 02:35:46 AM
Maybe YOU haven't seen Aliens but right after the line I posted Hudson - who is apparently an expert on xenobiology - says "I know that".
Now - let's see. Mole rats have a Queen.
Ergo Aliens = Mole Rats.
Kneel before my flawless logic.
::)
Dude, no. Beas swarm their pray, like Aliens. Bees are driven by the Queen's pheramone scents, like Aliens. Bees go through a "larva/cacoon" state, like Aliens. How are Mole Rats like this???
I don't have to kneel, you do. You need to grauvel at my intellegance.
Might wanna learn how to spell first.
QuoteYou need to grauvel at my intellegance.
At your irony perhaps...
QuoteBeas swarm their pray, like Aliens.
The did a fine job swarming on the Auriga. If of course swarming counts as picking prey off in singles and pairs.
QuoteBees are driven by the Queen's pheramone scents, like Aliens.
Objection - nothing to support this, your honour.
QuoteBees go through a "larva/cacoon" state, like Aliens.
First I've heard that bees gestated inside a living host. Some wasps, yes, though not bees.
Your 'intellegance' doesn't appear to be on display. But do have another crack at your 'Aliens = space bees' theory.
Quote from: SM on Jun 24, 2008, 03:01:05 AM
QuoteBeas swarm their pray, like Aliens.
The did a fine job swarming on the Auriga. If of course swarming counts as picking prey off in singles and pairs.
It could be argued those Aliens were different since they were genetically engineered weren't they?
I don't have to kneel, you do.
You need to grauvel at my intellegance.[/quote]
Might wanna learn how to spell first.
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Okay, you try to spell that word WITHOUT a dictionary.
Quote from: SM on Jun 24, 2008, 03:01:05 AM
QuoteYou need to grauvel at my intellegance.
At your irony perhaps...
QuoteBeas swarm their pray, like Aliens.
The did a fine job swarming on the Auriga. If of course swarming counts as picking prey off in singles and pairs.
QuoteBees are driven by the Queen's pheramone scents, like Aliens.
Objection - nothing to support this, your honour.
QuoteBees go through a "larva/cacoon" state, like Aliens.
First I've heard that bees gestated inside a living host. Some wasps, yes, though not bees.
Your 'intellegance' doesn't appear to be on display. But do have another crack at your 'Aliens = space bees' theory.
Bees do NOT gestate inside a living organism! Where did you hear that? Bees are born in the hive! They feed off the honey, and are stored as larva in comes. Have never seen a nature documentary?
Bee Queens are similar to Ant Queens. They all sense one another by scent. You know, their antennas. Bees also use a "dance-like" method of porttraying information, but, the Queen gives off scents to communicate with her hive.
In the Auriga, there weren't many Aliens when they broke free. The Queen hadn't made her hive yet, and still most of the crew was gone. So a swarm then would have been about 2 or 3 Aliens at a time.
So, anything else? If not, I believe my intelegance is at a fine display from here.
Quote from: Chris P on Jun 24, 2008, 03:12:02 AM
I don't have to kneel, you do. You need to grauvel at my intellegance.
Might wanna learn how to spell first.
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Grovel at my intelligence.
Seems easy enough.
(excuse double-post)
Here is a lesson on a Bee's life cycle. Incase none of you know what i'm talking about. Feel free to check out these wonderful sites I picked out in three seconds.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honey_bee_life_cycle (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honey_bee_life_cycle)
http://www.main.org/cahbs/cycle.htm (http://www.main.org/cahbs/cycle.htm)
http://42explore.com/bees.htm (http://42explore.com/bees.htm)
They weren't genetically engineered. They went through a normal egg-hugger-host-burster-adult life cycle.
Two of them took on nine humans in the flooded kitchen. One of them took on six humans after Elgyn was killed. Similarly one Alien took on Lambert and Parker on the Nostromo.
Aliens can swarm as Aliens shows; but they rather clearly don't do it exlcusively. The convicts had superior numbers in the leadworks and one Alien still managed to pick most of them off.
QuoteIf not, I believe my intelegance is at a fine display from here.
Stop it!!! I'm going to piss myself!! :D
QuoteBees do NOT gestate inside a living organism! Where did you hear that?
I heard it from the guy who likened the Alien life cycle to a bees life cycle. Sounded a lot like you.
QuoteBee Queens are similar to Ant Queens. They all sense one another by scent. You know, their antennas. Bees also use a "dance-like" method of porttraying information, but, the Queen gives off scents to communicate with her hive.
And the last time we saw an Alien dancing or giving off scents was....?
QuoteIn the Auriga, there weren't many Aliens when they broke free. The Queen hadn't made her hive yet, and still most of the crew was gone. So a swarm then would have been about 2 or 3 Aliens at a time.
Ah, so it IS a brand new definition of 'swarm'. Glad we cleared that up.
QuoteHere is a lesson on a Bee's life cycle.
I might care if I didn't already know how bees work and how they are clearly not Aliens.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jun 24, 2008, 03:19:33 AM
Quote from: Chris P on Jun 24, 2008, 03:12:02 AM
I don't have to kneel, you do. You need to grauvel at my intellegance.
Might wanna learn how to spell first.
Grovel at my intelligence.
Seems easy enough.
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Oh sure. Without a dictionary? ;). If not, congrats. You caught me when I was typing fast and didn't recall to edit my work. 8)
Quote from: SM on Jun 24, 2008, 03:21:23 AM
They weren't genetically engineered. They went through a normal egg-hugger-host-burster-adult life cycle.
Two of them took on nine humans in the flooded kitchen. One of them took on six humans after Elgyn was killed. Similarly one Alien took on Lambert and Parker on the Nostromo.
Aliens can swarm as Aliens shows; but they rather clearly don't do it exlcusively. The convicts had superior numbers in the leadworks and one Alien still managed to pick most of them off.
QuoteIf not, I believe my intelegance is at a fine display from here.
Stop it!!! I'm going to piss myself!! :D
QuoteBees do NOT gestate inside a living organism! Where did you hear that?
I heard it from the guy who likened the Alien life cycle to a bees life cycle. Sounded a lot like you.
QuoteBee Queens are similar to Ant Queens. They all sense one another by scent. You know, their antennas. Bees also use a "dance-like" method of porttraying information, but, the Queen gives off scents to communicate with her hive.
And the last time we saw an Alien dancing or giving off scents was....?
QuoteIn the Auriga, there weren't many Aliens when they broke free. The Queen hadn't made her hive yet, and still most of the crew was gone. So a swarm then would have been about 2 or 3 Aliens at a time.
Ah, so it IS a brand new definition of 'swarm'. Glad we cleared that up.
QuoteHere is a lesson on a Bee's life cycle.
I might care if I didn't already know how bees work and how they are clearly not Aliens.
I'm sorry if a Queen who gives birth like a human mother is not genetically modified, then I am out to lunch. Wasn't that one of the basic premisses of Alien Resurrection? Maybe I saw a different take, one that involved a Weyland company trying to create a biological weapon through the mixing of Alien and Human DNA. Mine had Ripley in it, what was yours like?
The direct quote did not reffer Aliens as Bees but Aliens LIKE Bees. I must not have been clear......nope, I was. ;).
Swarm: Defenition #1: A large number of insects or other small organisms, especially when in motion.
For full definitions and examples pleaase see: http://www.thefreedictionary.com/swarm (http://www.thefreedictionary.com/swarm)
More than one moving, attacking a another single OR multiple party is usually called a swarm. ;)
Aliens didn't dance. Never quoted. What about that whole segment when they were trying to figure out how the Queen was cominicating with her brood? Maybe I was the only one who watched the movies?
Maybe you should read those wonderful links I provided for you. You obvious have little knowlege of how bees work. The internet is a wonderful thing, and this site has big pictures, so there is no confusion. ;).
Personally, I have better blader control, but I can see why you would find this so funny. What you are saying has no evidence to back it up. :D.
Anything else? Or have I convinced you? 8)
Quote from: Chris P on Jun 24, 2008, 03:35:41 AM
Maybe I saw a different take, one that involved a Weyland company trying to create a biological weapon through the mixing of Alien and Human DNA.
I think you must have seen a different film. In the real film, there was no Weyland Yutani, (It was the United Systems Military) and the genetic crossing was a completely unwanted/unexpected result of the cloning procedure, as stated on screen by Dr. Gediman.
Quote from: Chris P on Jun 24, 2008, 03:35:41 AM
Swarm: Defenition #1: A large number of insects or other small organisms, especially when in motion.
More than one moving, attacking a another single OR multiple party is usually called a swarm. ;)
Two (or Three) is not a large number. Therefore, two Aliens does not constitute a swarm. I can't believe I'd need to point out something so obvious, but there you have it.
Quote from: Uncanny Antman on Jun 24, 2008, 03:39:30 AM
Quote from: Chris P on Jun 24, 2008, 03:35:41 AM
Maybe I saw a different take, one that involved a Weyland company trying to create a biological weapon through the mixing of Alien and Human DNA.
I think you must have seen a different film. In the real film, there was no Weyland Yutani, (It was the United Systems Military) and the genetic crossing was a completely unwanted/unexpected result of the cloning procedure, as stated on screen by Dr. Gediman.
Weren't they originated by Weyland and then split to conclude the project? Wasn't that what they were talking about in the Cafe when Ripley called a Fork a F**K? :D
No, Weyland Yutani is a dissolved company by the time of A:R.
QuoteI'm sorry if a Queen who gives birth like a human mother is not genetically modified, then I am out to lunch.
She still started with the "normal" egg laying cycle. She started a second cycle later.
Edit - What Ants said.
QuoteSwarm: Defenition #1: A large number of insects or other small organisms, especially when in motion.
For full definitions and examples pleaase see: http://www.thefreedictionary.com/swarm
More than one moving, attacking a another single OR multiple party is usually called a swarm.
So "more than one" = "a large number". Check your foot for bullet holes.
Quotebut I can see why you would find this so funny
Yeah I guy extolling his superior intelligence, who can't actually spell intelligence is always good for a giggle.
QuoteOr have I convinced you?
You may have if you had posted anything that was in anyway convincing.
The Queen being "genetically modified" is technically correct, but also implies that it was intentional. Clearly the film tells us it was not.
Quote from: Uncanny Antman on Jun 24, 2008, 03:45:41 AM
No, Weyland Yutani is a dissolved company by the time of A:R.
Oh, thanks bud. Forgot that. Haven't seen Resurrection in a while. :D.
Quote from: SM on Jun 24, 2008, 03:51:07 AM
QuoteI'm sorry if a Queen who gives birth like a human mother is not genetically modified, then I am out to lunch.
She still started with the "normal" egg laying cycle. She started a second cycle later.
Edit - What Ants said.
QuoteSwarm: Defenition #1: A large number of insects or other small organisms, especially when in motion.
For full definitions and examples pleaase see: http://www.thefreedictionary.com/swarm
More than one moving, attacking a another single OR multiple party is usually called a swarm.
So "more than one" = "a large number". Check your foot for bullet holes.
Quotebut I can see why you would find this so funny
Yeah I guy extolling his superior intelligence, who can't actually spell intelligence is always good for a giggle.
QuoteOr have I convinced you?
You may have if you had posted anything that was in anyway convincing.
The Queen being "genetically modified" is technically correct, but also implies that it was intentional. Clearly the film tells us it was not.
- Still genetically modified.
- Last time I checked: 2 is "larger" than one. So, is 3. Just in case you weren't sure. ;)
- My foot is fine, yours must be smoking right about now. ;)
- "
Yeah I guy extolling" I'm sorry, if my spelling is bad. But what do you call that? Certainly not grammer. ;)
- I think that sums it up. Now, this topic is getting boring. So, is there anything else you have for me to proove otherwise? Or is that it? ;)
"Genetically modified" carries with a connotation that it was deliberate. The Queens mutation was an unintentional byproduct of the cloning, much like R8's alien characteristics. So while technically correct, it is a decidedly poor choice in words.
A "large number" does not mean anything more than one.
I always thought the closest thing to ALIENS were not bees or ants, but rather parasitic wasps.
Quote[With most species, adult parasitic wasps themselves do not take any nutrients from their prey, and, much like bees, butterflies, and moths, they typically derive all of their nutrition from nectar. Parasitic wasps are typically parasitoids, and extremely diverse in habits, many laying their eggs in inert stages of their host (egg or pupa), or sometimes paralyzing their prey by injecting it with venom through their ovipositor. They then insert one or more eggs into the host or deposit them upon the host externally. The host remains alive until the parasitoid larvae are mature, usually dying either when the parasitoids pupate, or when they emerge as adults.
Tomatoe Worm with Wasp Eggs-
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Quote from: Eidotemit on Jun 24, 2008, 05:12:26 PM
"Genetically modified" carries with a connotation that it was deliberate. The Queens mutation was an unintentional byproduct of the cloning, much like R8's alien characteristics. So while technically correct, it is a decidedly poor choice in words.
A "large number" does not mean anything more than one.
Well, I guess you're right. I mean the cloning was deliberate, so, it might play into the modifications of the Queen.
- I should have chosen better words, like "multiple" instead. ;).
Quote from: Flaming Firefox on Jun 24, 2008, 05:28:31 PM
I always thought the closest thing to ALIENS were not bees or ants, but rather parasitic wasps.
Quote[With most species, adult parasitic wasps themselves do not take any nutrients from their prey, and, much like bees, butterflies, and moths, they typically derive all of their nutrition from nectar. Parasitic wasps are typically parasitoids, and extremely diverse in habits, many laying their eggs in inert stages of their host (egg or pupa), or sometimes paralyzing their prey by injecting it with venom through their ovipositor. They then insert one or more eggs into the host or deposit them upon the host externally. The host remains alive until the parasitoid larvae are mature, usually dying either when the parasitoids pupate, or when they emerge as adults.
Tomatoe Worm with Wasp Eggs-
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1210/1019737711_86dfc99846.jpg?v=0
Ah, yes. BUT, where is the queen or more so, the entire hive? Most wasps, tend to be lone wanderers. Now, some do have hives and a queen, but this one does not, unless you can show me.
No animal on earth can be exactly like an ALIEN. There are some that are "Similar" and others that have similar atributes, but none have every likeness to them. ;)
I didn't notice a difference, but I voted AvP-R, because they seemed more vicious.
You thought the AvP:R aliens were vicious? Wow, which movie were you watching?
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jun 24, 2008, 11:00:33 PM
You thought the AvP:R aliens were vicious? Wow, which movie were you watching?
:D, oh come on. They did some vicious things. Like that time when........nope, how about when.........nope, let me try again. How about that time when............Damn, I got nothin. >:(. They were stupid, rubber, pourly designed, but not vicious. Sorry Spartan. ;)
I liked the avp design.
Quote from: Chris P on Jun 24, 2008, 11:38:18 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jun 24, 2008, 11:00:33 PM
You thought the AvP:R aliens were vicious? Wow, which movie were you watching?
:D, oh come on. They did some vicious things. Like that time when........nope, how about when.........nope, let me try again. How about that time when............Damn, I got nothin. >:(. They were stupid, rubber, pourly designed, but not vicious. Sorry Spartan. ;)
They had
some moments, but certainly nothing I'd call vicious.
the aliens in avp were like dog aliens
the aliens in avpr were like the alien from the first alien movie
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jun 25, 2008, 12:17:51 AM
They had some moments, but certainly nothing I'd call vicious.
Well, that one Alien stomped the hell out of the rose bushes. Surely that counts? ;)
Self defence. Some mean thorns on them bushes.
I still can figure out how the AvPR Aliens were able to completely wipe out the National Gaurd yet they were very ineffective against Wolf and only marginally so against the regular townspeople. I think we see full grown Aliens kill like only 5-6 non-military people. Lets see we got the homeless people, one of them is killed by Chet though for sure. We have Molly's dad, Dale and his goons, that's about it that I can remember. Probably more I just couldn't see them in dark.
Well, they got the town bombed, which killed everyone. SO, they caused everyone to die.
Quote from: Flaming Firefox on Jun 25, 2008, 03:23:52 PM
I still can figure out how the AvPR Aliens were able to completely wipe out the National Gaurd yet they were very ineffective against Wolf and only marginally so against the regular townspeople. I think we see full grown Aliens kill like only 5-6 non-military people. Lets see we got the homeless people, one of them is killed by Chet though for sure. We have Molly's dad, Dale and his goons, that's about it that I can remember. Probably more I just couldn't see them in dark.
The Wolf shouldn't be compared to the Nation Gaurd. Those soilders were no Arnold and it takes an Arnold, and this Predator is suposibly alot more experienced than that Predator which would mean he'd perform alot better.
Quote from: KILLa l Yautja on Jun 25, 2008, 06:18:05 AM
the aliens in avp were like dog aliens
the aliens in avpr were like the alien from the first alien movie
Are you serious? What original movies were you watching?
The serpents were only dog-like in the sense they crawled a lot, thats it. :P The monsters are in a league of their own.
Quote from: Eidotemit on Jun 25, 2008, 04:52:19 PM
Quote from: KILLa l Yautja on Jun 25, 2008, 06:18:05 AM
the aliens in avp were like dog aliens
the aliens in avpr were like the alien from the first alien movie
Are you serious? What original movies were you watching?
Don't worry he/she drunk. It gonna pass in a few hour.
Quote from: The Wolf on Jun 25, 2008, 03:32:59 PM
Quote from: Flaming Firefox on Jun 25, 2008, 03:23:52 PM
I still can figure out how the AvPR Aliens were able to completely wipe out the National Gaurd yet they were very ineffective against Wolf and only marginally so against the regular townspeople. I think we see full grown Aliens kill like only 5-6 non-military people. Lets see we got the homeless people, one of them is killed by Chet though for sure. We have Molly's dad, Dale and his goons, that's about it that I can remember. Probably more I just couldn't see them in dark.
The Wolf shouldn't be compared to the Nation Gaurd. Those soilders were no Arnold and it takes an Arnold, and this Predator is suposibly alot more experienced than that Predator which would mean he'd perform alot better.
They had big honkin' weapons and training and armor, and APCs, heck they didn't have anything at all did they? ::)
I don't think you have to be Arnold to kill an Alien or a Predator, Glover wasn't Arnold was he? Dare I bring up Dallas and Ricky, hardly Arnold characters.
But if you look at Wolf's advantages over the Aliens comapaired to National Gaurd
Firepower- Both Wolf and NG had substantial firepower to kill the Aliens, NG had greater combined firepower though.
Armor- Both had armor, but I would give Wolf maybe a slight advantage due to superior tech and material.
Numbers- Wolf was loner, NG had plenty of guys to work as a team.
Experience- Wolf had the clear advantage here obviously having fought Aliens before.
Vehicles- NG had heavy well armored vehicles, Wolf had to hoof on foot.
Quote from: KILLa l Yautja on Jun 25, 2008, 06:18:05 AM
the aliens in avpr were like the alien from the first alien movie
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I agree that who ever wrote that is drunk.
Quote from: KILLa l Yautja on Jun 25, 2008, 06:18:05 AM
the aliens in avp were like dog aliens
the aliens in avpr were like the alien from the first alien movie
WTF?! :D
I liked the AVP aliens, actually, they looked very textured and detailed. Better than in A:R.
AVPR aliens - fat necked retards played by clumsy short guys in rubber suits, shot and lit in the worst possible way.
Quote from: Uncanny Antman on Jun 25, 2008, 06:42:11 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jun 25, 2008, 12:17:51 AM
They had some moments, but certainly nothing I'd call vicious.
Well, that one Alien stomped the hell out of the rose bushes. Surely that counts? ;)
I was thinking more of: aliens owning national guard, slapping Wolf off the catwalk, and the alien tackling Wolf down the elevator.
Slapping? Doesn't sound much like 'piercing brain with inner jaw'.
Quote from: SM on Jun 26, 2008, 04:17:18 AM
Slapping? Doesn't sound much like 'piercing brain with inner jaw'.
It's just a word. Does "whipped" work better for you?
If whatever was 'whipped' is still breathing a minute after being 'whipped' then, no, not really.
Quote from: SM on Jun 26, 2008, 04:27:36 AM
If whatever was 'whipped' is still breathing a minute after being 'whipped' then, no, not really.
I'm just saying, it's better than nothing.
Sounds like it IS nothing.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jun 26, 2008, 03:36:39 AM
the alien tackling Wolf down the elevator.
Haha :D
That alien was knocked off it's feet by Wolf giving it a tiny push. It could then only tackle him when Wolf's back was turned.
I presume that after they both fell Wolf killed the alien by blowing on it softly. :P
Quote from: Flaming Firefox on Jun 25, 2008, 06:55:52 PM
Quote from: The Wolf on Jun 25, 2008, 03:32:59 PM
Quote from: Flaming Firefox on Jun 25, 2008, 03:23:52 PM
I still can figure out how the AvPR Aliens were able to completely wipe out the National Gaurd yet they were very ineffective against Wolf and only marginally so against the regular townspeople. I think we see full grown Aliens kill like only 5-6 non-military people. Lets see we got the homeless people, one of them is killed by Chet though for sure. We have Molly's dad, Dale and his goons, that's about it that I can remember. Probably more I just couldn't see them in dark.
The Wolf shouldn't be compared to the Nation Gaurd. Those soilders were no Arnold and it takes an Arnold, and this Predator is suposibly alot more experienced than that Predator which would mean he'd perform alot better.
They had big honkin' weapons and training and armor, and APCs, heck they didn't have anything at all did they? ::)
I don't think you have to be Arnold to kill an Alien or a Predator, Glover wasn't Arnold was he? Dare I bring up Dallas and Ricky, hardly Arnold characters.
But if you look at Wolf's advantages over the Aliens comapaired to National Gaurd
Firepower- Both Wolf and NG had substantial firepower to kill the Aliens, NG had greater combined firepower though.
Armor- Both had armor, but I would give Wolf maybe a slight advantage due to superior tech and material.
Numbers- Wolf was loner, NG had plenty of guys to work as a team.
Experience- Wolf had the clear advantage here obviously having fought Aliens before.
Vehicles- NG had heavy well armored vehicles, Wolf had to hoof on foot.
You're right but what I mean is the first Predator took out teams of soilders. The Wolf could probably do that and better concidering he's an old bastard thats done it all before.
Anyone coulda done that with a cloaking device and ranged energy weapons.
Quote from: SM on Jun 26, 2008, 05:43:45 AM
Anyone coulda done that with a cloaking device and ranged energy weapons.
Yeah but there's only one kind that has that and thats my point.
Quote from: The Wolf on Jun 26, 2008, 05:46:33 AM
Quote from: SM on Jun 26, 2008, 05:43:45 AM
Yeah but there's only one kind that has that and thats my point.
You're right there. I don't know of anyone else who can cloak, and carry a plasma caster around. Maybe the Japanese have thought about it, who knows. :D
If a human carried a cloaking device and plasma gun they could take out a bunch of soldiers too. You don't need to be a "bad-ass Predator".
Both designs sucks
Quote from: Scarface Predator on Jun 26, 2008, 11:12:15 PM
Both designs sucks
COmpared to the originals.....yes. Compared to eachother.....no. The ones in AVP were not as terrible.
Quote from: SM on Jun 26, 2008, 11:05:36 PM
If a human carried a cloaking device and plasma gun they could take out a bunch of soldiers too. You don't need to be a "bad-ass Predator".
Well, I think that's a given. But it's the fact that humans have NOT harnessed that power, that makes Predator that much more devestating.
Quote from: Chris P on Jun 26, 2008, 11:22:42 PM
Quote from: Scarface Predator on Jun 26, 2008, 11:12:15 PM
Both designs sucks
COmpared to the originals.....yes. Compared to eachother.....no. The ones in AVP were not as terrible.
Quote from: SM on Jun 26, 2008, 11:05:36 PM
If a human carried a cloaking device and plasma gun they could take out a bunch of soldiers too. You don't need to be a "bad-ass Predator".
Well, I think that's a given. But it's the fact that humans have NOT harnessed that power, that makes Predator that much more devestating.
Exactly.
Yep, I agree. :D
Quote from: gameoverman on Jun 26, 2008, 04:51:34 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jun 26, 2008, 03:36:39 AM
the alien tackling Wolf down the elevator.
Haha :D
That alien was knocked off it's feet by Wolf giving it a tiny push. It could then only tackle him when Wolf's back was turned.
I presume that after they both fell Wolf killed the alien by blowing on it softly. :P
He still tackled Wolf, back turned or otherwise.
QuoteWell, I think that's a given. But it's the fact that humans have NOT harnessed that power, that makes Predator that much more devestating.
Erm, no. I just means they were able to harness that technology before humans did. Nothing to be sniffed at to be sure, but it doesn't make the Predators devastating - just their technology; which can be used by anyone (if only the Predators used it properly mebbe they wouldn't die so often). An Alien, by contrast is much more devastating, because of it's natural weaponry and defences, that can't simply be picked up and used by someone else.
Quote from: SM on Jun 27, 2008, 12:00:05 AM
QuoteWell, I think that's a given. But it's the fact that humans have NOT harnessed that power, that makes Predator that much more devestating.
Erm, no. I just means they were able to harness that technology before humans did. Nothing to be sniffed at to be sure, but it doesn't make the Predators devastating - just their technology; which can be used by anyone (if only the Predators used it properly mebbe they wouldn't die so often).
Oh for...the Predators only die in their respective movies b/c of script immunity for the main character. When fighting Aliens, the cloaking device makes no difference b/c as far as I know the Aliens don't have eyes and use other means to locate their prey.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jun 26, 2008, 11:57:00 PM
He still tackled Wolf, back turned or otherwise.
Yeah, tackled. Great. Maybe if the Alien wasn't a retard, it would have just killed him while his back was turned. What's with the AvP/R Aliens just weirdly throwing themselves at their enemies instead of going for a kill shot?
Quote from: Uncanny Antman on Jun 27, 2008, 12:29:47 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jun 26, 2008, 11:57:00 PM
He still tackled Wolf, back turned or otherwise.
Yeah, tackled. Great. Maybe if the Alien wasn't a retard, it would have just killed him while his back was turned. What's with the AvP/R Aliens just weirdly throwing themselves at their enemies instead of going for a kill shot?
I think they were retarted. I think the crash to earth rattled the facehuggers organs a bit, so when impregnating, they left out the "intellegance" aspect. Also, look at who the Aliens parents were. You want to say retarted, there is your answer right there. :D
Quote from: Uncanny Antman on Jun 27, 2008, 12:29:47 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jun 26, 2008, 11:57:00 PM
He still tackled Wolf, back turned or otherwise.
Yeah, tackled. Great. Maybe if the Alien wasn't a retard, it would have just killed him while his back was turned. What's with the AvP/R Aliens just weirdly throwing themselves at their enemies instead of going for a kill shot?
We've already established why the Aliens acted the way they did; I'm just saying, they had
some moments as opposed to nothing like everyone keeps claiming.
A moment when a kill was clearly available and there is no discernible reason as to why the opportunity isn't taken isn't really a moment for the aliens. Rather the contrary (the same goes for the pred who exposed himself liek that in the first place). Neither looks good in this movie.
What about when they slaughtered the National Guard?
What about it? Yeah, they did that alright. Am I supposed to be like "zomg, they did treat the aliens fairly, dis gives crediblity to both teh alien and teh predator, yos !!!!!!11!!11one!11!!one!!" (....too much? :D )
Yeah, that scene, as far as I can remember, was fine. THere were also a few predator scenes that were okay too. Everytime they put the two together though, it was rubbish. THe predator would be a lucky idiot, and the aliens would be retarded. A scene, like the NG scene, that is supposed to establish credibility for both species (on how deadly the aliens are, and how 1337 the pred is) fails when it isn't consistant throughout the movie.
I stand by my previous view: Neither [species] looks good in this movie.
Its not making the human race look good either.
I found the Aliens in AVPR were crap against the Wolf. I agree. They did not do a good job at the whole "slaughtering" thing. BUT, think. There were hardly any of them to begin with, so i'm sure they rathered get hosts than just kill everyone. They had to considder the aspect of growing the hive. Ubless they were what I had stated before; andjust plain retarted.
They were not scary in the slightest. The only part of the film I liked was the first 15 minutes of it. The rest was bad acting and a few fights which you couldn't see either way.
Definatly AVP: R's, there were differences but they were more like Camerons aliens and didn't act like raptors like AVP's did.
Quote from: Private Hudson on Jun 28, 2008, 01:58:54 AM
Definatly AVP: R's, there were differences but they were more like Camerons aliens and didn't act like raptors like AVP's did.
I found the AVPR Aliens to act too slow, and were poorly designed. If they stuck with Cameron's original ALIENS design, I would have been happier.
If they did actually act like Cam's aliens I would have liked AvP:R a little better...
Quote from: Eidotemit on Jun 28, 2008, 04:04:39 AM
If they did actually act like Cam's aliens I would have liked AvP:R a little better...
Agreed. ALIENS Aliens were way better than AVPR Aliens, and if they acted the same and looked the same, the film would've been more entertaining.
It's not top quality but you can really see the differences even when they're doing similar poses.
http://bp2.blogger.com/_rzdB5a4kLAo/RylBwF7TD9I/AAAAAAAAERE/Jy-sZH3cqSw/s1600-h/avp2_avp1_compare.jpg (http://bp2.blogger.com/_rzdB5a4kLAo/RylBwF7TD9I/AAAAAAAAERE/Jy-sZH3cqSw/s1600-h/avp2_avp1_compare.jpg)
AVP's looks good, AVPR's doesn't. AVP's looks alien, AVPR's doesn't. AVP's looks creepy, AVPR's doesn't. AVP's is decent, AVPR's is shit.
The only thing that bugged me about the AvP:R aliens was the head. Fix that and we're solid.
I sorta liked the Ridge design on top of the avp:r head,but the Mouth and entire lower part of the head made the whole thing look retarded.
The necks for the AvP:R aliens were also too stubby.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jul 11, 2008, 07:12:30 PM
The necks for the AvP:R aliens were also too stubby.
A little, yeah. They were just mainly too big. :-\
avp ones look much better
avp ones actually looks like aliens ::)
AvP:R aliens look like aliens too. Just inbred ones.
awesome.
Even though I like rigid heads more, the AVP aliens were better in every other aspect.
I liked the AVPR design (Minus gigantic neck) but preferred the way the AVP aliens acted (In other words, not mindless cannon fodder).
I prefer the AvP Aliens - nothing against the ridged heads, but I just prefer the smooth dome. AvP could've done without that incredibly long tail though :-\ Either move the Alien closer to the Predator, or the Predator closer to the Alien, just don't give us a tail that sticks out like a sore thumb!
For some reason, the AvP:R Warrior toys by NECA look better than the ones in the movie. Not by much, but they do.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Aug 07, 2008, 12:18:46 AM
For some reason, the AvP:R Warrior toys by NECA look better than the ones in the movie. Not by much, but they do.
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I wouldn't kno, haven't seen it :P
AvP was better. But I would still prefer a return to the origional biomechanical designs over all this 'fleshy' crap. It doesn't make them look any better, only worse.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jul 15, 2008, 03:10:41 AM
AvP:R aliens look like aliens too. Just inbred ones.
thats what happens when you interbreed in the backwoods of vancov... i mean Colorado.
The AVP aliens.
in my opinion I prefer the AvP Aliens. they actualy look cool. yeah I know. its the same A:R design. and they actualy looked real. plus I am a sucker for the Domes. I love the domed Aliens. it just looks so cool with the way you can almost see something.
AvP. They just looked so menacing. What's funny, though, is the fact that AvP - R used CGI, yet the Aliens in that looked more like cheap rubber suits from behind-the-scenes shots. Anyone agree?
AVP
AVP, AVP, AVP! :D
Even though the Aliens in AVP acted annoyingly like the Raptors from Jurassic Park >:( I liked the design from AVP better ;D They looked cooler and made them look more menacing in my opinion. :)
Definetely AVP. AVPR has the worst design ever imo, the oversized jaw and huge hillbilly teeth they gave them look horrible
Quote from: Hyperdyne on Feb 05, 2009, 02:40:55 PM
Definetely AVP. AVPR has the worst design ever imo, the oversized jaw and huge hillbilly teeth they gave them look horrible
:D
AVP. It resembles a real Alien better than at the Aliens in the AVPR. The Aliens of the AVPR are... retarded? :-\ The design of their head... they look idiotically. :(
Definitely AvPR. I like the AvP design, but I like the AvPR design a lot more. I'm a sucker for ridged-headed Aliens. :)
Quote from: Xenomrph on Feb 05, 2009, 07:50:13 PM
Definitely AvPR. I like the AvP design, but I like the AvPR design a lot more. I'm a sucker for ridged-headed Aliens. :)
Same. Actually, the aliens from 'Aliens" are my favorites. Yet AVPR's are my least favorites - the redneck teeth and huge mouth and 'lips' are ridiculous imo
your quick to change ya mind lol
Quote from: shakermakerman on Feb 05, 2009, 09:06:49 PM
your quick to change ya mind lol
Me? no, as far as the design goes, I always liked aliens from 'Aliens' the most, and always hated the avpR ones
Quote from: Hyperdyne on Feb 05, 2009, 09:12:33 PM
Quote from: shakermakerman on Feb 05, 2009, 09:06:49 PM
your quick to change ya mind lol
Me? no, as far as the design goes, I always liked aliens from 'Aliens' the most, and always hated the avpR ones
some of the production photos of the avpr aliens looked nice but didnt look the same on screen.
Quote from: shakermakerman on Feb 05, 2009, 09:24:33 PM
Quote from: Hyperdyne on Feb 05, 2009, 09:12:33 PM
Quote from: shakermakerman on Feb 05, 2009, 09:06:49 PM
your quick to change ya mind lol
Me? no, as far as the design goes, I always liked aliens from 'Aliens' the most, and always hated the avpR ones
some of the production photos of the avpr aliens looked nice but didnt look the same on screen.
I think that's part of the problem. I mean, the NECA action figure for the AvPR warrior is badass:
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.aliensonline.hu%2Fspgm%2Fgal%2FModellek_Makettek%2FNeca%2FAVPR%2Fneca_avpr_alien_08.jpg&hash=9e02a54940a096b96bedfd269ab2f586e915dfe3)
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.movingimagetoys.com%2Facatalog%2Fl2004.gif&hash=096934a26d8ad252c2a0810c3b533fd8db184887)
On-screen? Not nearly as good.
agree xeno! GREAT figure btw!
Wait, there were decent production photos ... ?
just the one i thought, the one with the alien facing the camara, it was one of the early ones that leaked from that book.
Aye. I actually thought the design was fantastic back then. But everytime I look up at that figure sat next to my TV, I shudder and wish I could be arsed to go buy the ALiens version. Simply...both designs suck.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 05, 2009, 11:11:22 PM
Aye. I actually thought the design was fantastic back then. But everytime I look up at that figure sat next to my TV, I shudder and wish I could be arsed to go buy the ALiens version. Simply...both designs suck.
Quite. They went for a more "reptilian" look for the AVP films, and even Alien Resurrection I would say.
Quote from: Chris P on Feb 07, 2009, 04:16:22 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 05, 2009, 11:11:22 PM
Aye. I actually thought the design was fantastic back then. But everytime I look up at that figure sat next to my TV, I shudder and wish I could be arsed to go buy the ALiens version. Simply...both designs suck.
Quite. They went for a more "reptilian" look for the AVP films, and even Alien Resurrection I would say.
I strongly agree. That more "reptilian" influence in design of the Aliens in both Alien Resurrection and AVP, made the Aliens seem like the Velociraptors from Jurassic Park.
Only in their movement. The enhanced intelligence was nice though.
I agree, the enhanced intelligence was nice :)
In AR, can't say much for their retarded breed in the AvPs.
What makes you think they were retarded in AvP? They seemed intelligent enough.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Feb 12, 2009, 04:21:04 AM
What makes you think they were retarded in AvP? They seemed intelligent enough.
I dont think they were stupid in either. Although one scene bugs me a whole lot in avpr. Aliens sense but dont see, predators invisibility doesnt mean sqaut for them, so why the alien didnt notice 'invisible' predator when he was eating ? why was even wolf set on invisibility?
Coolness.
Quote from: Hyperdyne on Feb 12, 2009, 04:23:32 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Feb 12, 2009, 04:21:04 AM
What makes you think they were retarded in AvP? They seemed intelligent enough.
I dont think they were stupid in either. Although one scene bugs me a whole lot in avpr. Aliens sense but dont see, predators invisibility doesnt mean sqaut for them, so why the alien didnt notice 'invisible' predator when he was eating ? why was even wolf set on invisibility?
At the risk of starting a fight here, I'm gonna say it's because the Alien was legitimately distracted and didn't notice Wolf. Why that's so impossible, I don't know. The impression I get from Alien fans is that an Alien, for all intents and purposes, can't ever be distracted
just because.
Yeah that sounds about right.
:)
What does?
Quote from: DoomRulz on Feb 12, 2009, 04:31:20 AM
Quote from: Hyperdyne on Feb 12, 2009, 04:23:32 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Feb 12, 2009, 04:21:04 AM
What makes you think they were retarded in AvP? They seemed intelligent enough.
I dont think they were stupid in either. Although one scene bugs me a whole lot in avpr. Aliens sense but dont see, predators invisibility doesnt mean sqaut for them, so why the alien didnt notice 'invisible' predator when he was eating ? why was even wolf set on invisibility?
At the risk of starting a fight here, I'm gonna say it's because the Alien was legitimately distracted and didn't notice Wolf. Why that's so impossible, I don't know. The impression I get from Alien fans is that an Alien, for all intents and purposes, can't ever be distracted just because.
not just because. But because it doesnt see. It senses, and thats a great difference. It doesnt matter wheter he faces you or the wall, hell know youre there. Thats why I had such a problem with this scene, and the fact that the xenotongue was so ridiculosuly long and thin
But the argument I'm making is that it was too busy eating to "sense" Wolf behind it. If you want to argue it should've reacted as soon as he decloaked because of the noise Wolf made, fine. But I don't understand why Wolf couldn't have snuck up behind it. Predators have been known to come up behind their prey without making nosie.
But the prey usually have eyes and relies on vision, not sensing the presence. And yeah, it didnt even react when he heard the noise
So if the prey relies on vision, and it's focused on its meal, not minding its surroundings, then it won't notice Wolf sneaking up behind it.
QuoteWhat does?
This:
"The impression I get from Alien fans is that an Alien, for all intents and purposes, can't ever be distracted just because."
I'm not familiar with the scene in question, but there's a precedent in Aliens. The Alien rises up behind Drake, then turns to face Vasquez as she shouts. If the Predator made a noise, the Alien should've noticed.
yeah, IF relying on vision, no problem with that. But like I said, aliens sense the presence since they have no vision. Like in Alien 3 when he was eating he still stopped and noticed the oncoming prey from quite far away
Quote from: SM on Feb 12, 2009, 04:50:00 AM
QuoteWhat does?
I'm not familiar with the scene in question,
You havent seen it or you dont remember?
He hasn't seen it.
The scene goes like this. The Alien has just dragged a dead body to a poolside. It then proceeds to eat it, using its inner tongue. The Predator is literally, standing
right behind it, decloaks, and shoves a spear through the Alien's head.
Quote from: SM on Feb 12, 2009, 04:50:00 AM
This:
"The impression I get from Alien fans is that an Alien, for all intents and purposes, can't ever be distracted just because."
I'm not familiar with the scene in question, but there's a precedent in Aliens. The Alien rises up behind Drake, then turns to face Vasquez as she shouts. If the Predator made a noise, the Alien should've noticed.
So we establish that the only reason the Alien would notice Wolf is because of the noise he made when decloaking. That doesn't mean Wolf couldn't have snuck up on the Alien in the first place.
The Alien should've noticed his footsteps.
If the Predator decloaked, the Alien should've at least reacted even if it did get nailed instantly by the Predator. Similar to how it reacted to Vasquez only to got shot to pieces.
Quote from: SM on Feb 12, 2009, 05:12:48 AM
The Alien should've noticed his footsteps.
Like I said, the Predator has been shown to sneak up on prey without being noticed right away. Examples: sneaking up behind Dutch in the cave in Predator right before Dutch lights up the smal explosive strapped to his neck and sneaking up behind Lex before she hands Scar his caster.
As shown in Resurrection, Aliens have heightened senses far beyond humans.
Also Parker and Lambert.
That thing was all about Lambert, but the second Parker moved, wham, knocked him flying in midair.
Quote from: SiL on Feb 12, 2009, 05:26:31 AM
Also Parker and Lambert.
That thing was all about Lambert, but the second Parker moved, wham, knocked him flying in midair.
exactly. And yet predator stopped RIGHT next to it, shut down the invisibility, decloaked the spear and bam!
Quote from: DoomRulz on Feb 12, 2009, 04:31:20 AM
Quote from: Hyperdyne on Feb 12, 2009, 04:23:32 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Feb 12, 2009, 04:21:04 AM
What makes you think they were retarded in AvP? They seemed intelligent enough.
I dont think they were stupid in either. Although one scene bugs me a whole lot in avpr. Aliens sense but dont see, predators invisibility doesnt mean sqaut for them, so why the alien didnt notice 'invisible' predator when he was eating ? why was even wolf set on invisibility?
At the risk of starting a fight here, I'm gonna say it's because the Alien was legitimately distracted and didn't notice Wolf. Why that's so impossible, I don't know. The impression I get from Alien fans is that an Alien, for all intents and purposes, can't ever be distracted just because.
Yes. The Alien
can't be distracted.
Just because.
:)
Avpr was like real aliens. it remind me from the movie aliens. But the act was lame wack. They kept on getting own. I'm an alien fan and that's not avp no more
AvP:R was like real Aliens, what?
That the alien looked original
It was AvP designs with a new head.
Well, technically it was Resurrection's. The body is the same, save for minor colour alterations in AvP.
Well the body from the hips up; the legs were changed between A:R and AvP.
You sure? The feet look the same.
They remove the chicken legs.
They made the hands a little 'beefier' too.
avp look, ive always perfered the aliens to have a smooth head
The AvPR design. I love the ridged head.
I haven't seen AVPR yet, but I like the AVP ones.
Just google the AvP:R Aliens. Believe me, you'll get a better look at them that way.
I've seen them on the internet. That's how I know I like the AVP ones.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Feb 20, 2009, 08:30:36 PM
Just google the AvP:R Aliens. Believe me, you'll get a better look at them that way.
Yea but they were treated like shit in that movie, That movie suck ass. :'(
Well, if I could choose between Aliens, AvP and AvPR, I would of course say Aliens... But I liked AvPR design more, although the movie was less entertaining than AvP
The ridged head in AVPR was nice, but the overall look in AVP was so much better. And the smooth head on the AVP aliens was very well done.
I've only seen the Aliens actually in the films (not production stills or anything) and to me, the Aliens, on screen, look better in AVP, but that can be contributed to angles or whatever. However, in AVPR the Pred looks way better and that's what matters to me lol.
Surely AvP:R, they look tougher, altough :D they are not.
Yeah alot of people have said that the AVPR alien was a very good design, a lot of thought had gone into improving it.
It's just that those Strause idiots lit and shot it so wrong.
Very good? A lot of thought?
They changed the head and neck. That was it.
For the worse too. The head had a bulbous end to it and the neck was stubby.
I always thought the Requiem heads looked really similar to the A3 head, minus the ridges of course. They've both got those bulbous ends I'm sure.
AvP:R's is really pronounced though. A3 was smooth through and through.
I am generally a fan of ADIs work - even most of their design changes I can tolerate. But not even I could tolerate that f**king awful stinking piece of shit head design for AvP:Poo.
I like the AvP ones. I thought they had a much better quality to them and they appeared larger than the ones in AvP:R.
Not to mention they were considerably more intelligent.
That too. They seemed overall more menacing and capable.
If we could just mix the movies together. AvP's location and Aliens, AvP:R's Predator and style and it would be a really enjoyable AvP Movie.
I liked the avp ones more then the avpr ones!
Quote from: Dusk on May 25, 2009, 04:52:27 PM
That too. They seemed overall more menacing and capable.
If we could just mix the movies together. AvP's location and Aliens, AvP:R's Predator and style and it would be a really enjoyable AvP Movie.
No, not the location. I hated that stupid pyramid. Seriously, WTF. Why did Anderson think that was going to be a good location for an AvP movie??
AVP's.
AVP:R's had those freaky jaws.
AVP Aliens
I would of preferred that both designs put a little more effort into the originals but overall i'd probably say that AVP's aliens were slightly better but AVPR's weren't so bad. They just did a "poor" job on the cinematography with the aliens and how they were fillmed, the lighting, angles, etc.
I liked the ridged heads in AVPR aliens over the AVP aliens domes but the AVP aliens body structure just seemed to have more effort and somewhat more mechanical touch put into them.
AVP
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/gallery/albums/movies/avp/behind/behind02.jpg)
AVPR
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/gallery/albums/movies/avp2/adibook/normal_adibook65.jpg)
Great photos dude! yeh the ridged heads are prob my fav better then the alien domes, totall agree with that assessent about the structure! :)
Man does the 2nd one look cartoony. I don't mind the rigged head design, but they did a poor job replicating them and the mouth looks just bad.
Yeh second one does look a bit cartoony and poor replicating..but still awsome dude! ;D
The Requiem one appears to be putting on a "Nosferatu" pose:
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Lol.
I prefer the AvP design because not only did they seem more threatening, they were the first ever Alien design I ever saw.
Wait a minute, that's the AvP Alien?? I don't remember seeing the headrest in the movie.
They aren't in the movie. I don't know why theres particular promo shots that have them.
What aren't in the movie?
The AVP Aliens all the way. The only thing I don't like about them are their hands and tails, but the AvP:R Alien are based on the same suit (except for the legs), which makes the AvP:R Alien design even more "ouch!". The thing that bugged me the most about the AvP:R Aliens was that their heads looked too small in proportion to the body (...which might explain why they behaved so utterly retarded and un-Alien-like in the movie). On top of that I have never been a big fan of Cameron's ridged head design to begin with.
Quote from: Chris P on Jun 13, 2009, 06:48:26 PM
What aren't in the movie?
The back blades that you see in some of the pics.
The dorsal spikes were only really on the first creature, and a couple of the puppets in the second film.
The Warriors in Resurrection had them as well.
The aliens in AvPR were spineless retarded bugs compared to the monsters in AvP. AvP aliens where made brilliantly.
QuoteThe Warriors in Resurrection had them as well.
No, they didn't.
To me, it seems obvious that different individuals or hives will have slightly different outwardly appearances, but I prefer the AVPR ones. I also prefer the way they were portrayed and filmed to AVP.
Quote from: Nachtfalke on Jun 16, 2009, 02:37:42 AM
I also prefer the way they were portrayed and filmed to AVP.
...lolwut.
Did you not see the Alien crawling on its hands and knees towards the helicopter at the end of AvPR? Did you not see how it wobbled, how obviously it was a stunt guy in an oversaturated rubber suit? Did you not notice how every single shot of an Alien in that movies either looked like a guy in a rubber suit, or bad CGI?
There's not a single convincing shot in AvPR of an Alien. The lighting, the angles, and movement, nothing works. AvP was no shining beacon, but at least they put
some effort into it, and it shows.
Quote from: SiL on Jun 16, 2009, 05:41:43 AM
Quote from: Nachtfalke on Jun 16, 2009, 02:37:42 AM
I also prefer the way they were portrayed and filmed to AVP.
...lolwut.
Did you not see the Alien crawling on its hands and knees towards the helicopter at the end of AvPR? Did you not see how it wobbled, how obviously it was a stunt guy in an oversaturated rubber suit? Did you not notice how every single shot of an Alien in that movies either looked like a guy in a rubber suit, or bad CGI?
There's not a single convincing shot in AvPR of an Alien. The lighting, the angles, and movement, nothing works. AvP was no shining beacon, but at least they put some effort into it, and it shows.
Its a matter of perception. To me the ones in AVP are treated like JP Raptors and are too CG at times.
In AVPR they are more sinister and remind me more of 'ALIENS'. The National Guard getting slaughtered scenes are great.
The lighting, etc is important in any film, but it was adequate here, no complaints from me...except the DVD transfer, as you know.
If you want to point out gaffs like wobbly stuntmen in suits, I'm sure I could point out similar problems in many films, not just Alien films.
QuoteIts a matter of perception.
Not really. The Alien crawling on its hands and knees towards the helicopter was the single worst shot of an Alien to be committed to screen. It's worse than the Alien bouncing off the shuttle in
Alien. The film is littered with them.
QuoteTo me the ones in AVP are treated like JP Raptors and are too CG at times.
Which is such a step down from being completely useless and only ever blatantly computer generated, or blatantly man in a suit in AvPR? How does that work?
QuoteIf you want to point out gaffs like wobbly stuntmen in suits, I'm sure I could point out similar problems in many films, not just Alien films.
I could do it for a million films, but we're not talking about them. We're comparing AvP to AvPR. AvP had some floppy suits and naff shots, but AvPR had barely a handful of shots that weren't cringe-inducing. And that had more to do with the fact they were quick edits.
As much as I love Resurrection, there is an absolute howler when the Alien submerges in preperation to leap onto the ladder. The dorsal tubes are all over the place like a mad woman's shit.
And I never saw the problem with the Alien bouncing off the shuttle. I love how it actually looked like it was in zero gravity.
So? If the dorsal tubes are there, they just need to be seen. I kinda liked it.
Quote from: SM on Jun 16, 2009, 09:11:04 AM
The dorsal tubes are all over the place like a mad woman's shit.
:D what?
Quote from: SM on Jun 16, 2009, 09:11:04 AMAnd I never saw the problem with the Alien bouncing off the shuttle. I love how it actually looked like it was in zero gravity.
The Alien just kind of...hobbled I guess. It didn't sell the shot.
Hobbled?
It bounced off the hatch then grabbed the engine with it's tail. I've never understood the problems people have with that scene.
QuoteSo? If the dorsal tubes are there, they just need to be seen. I kinda liked it.
You do know the shot I mean? Go and have another look. The tubes aren't attached to the suit properly and practically floating on the surface of the pool.
AVP:R they looked like dinosaurs and had no character.
Quote from: SM on Jun 16, 2009, 11:36:57 PM
It bounced off the hatch then grabbed the engine with it's tail. I've never understood the problems people have with that scene.
The movement isn't my problem. It's the fact it's obviously a stuntman in a suit bouncing off the backside of the ship. Every other shot in that sequence is fine, it's just painfully in-your-face for those two seconds.
Meh, still don't bother me none.
Quote from: SiL on Jun 16, 2009, 08:05:18 AM
QuoteIts a matter of perception.
Not really. The Alien crawling on its hands and knees towards the helicopter was the single worst shot of an Alien to be committed to screen. It's worse than the Alien bouncing off the shuttle in Alien. The film is littered with them.
QuoteTo me the ones in AVP are treated like JP Raptors and are too CG at times.
Which is such a step down from being completely useless and only ever blatantly computer generated, or blatantly man in a suit in AvPR? How does that work?
QuoteIf you want to point out gaffs like wobbly stuntmen in suits, I'm sure I could point out similar problems in many films, not just Alien films.
I could do it for a million films, but we're not talking about them. We're comparing AvP to AvPR. AvP had some floppy suits and naff shots, but AvPR had barely a handful of shots that weren't cringe-inducing. And that had more to do with the fact they were quick edits.
The only shot that I didn't cringe at was the one with the CGI Aliens running upside down the sewer ceilings for a couple of seconds. The rest of the shots are awkward though. Power plant. Man in a suit. Crawling Alien. Man in a suit. I do believe Tom Woodruff wasn't in the suit half the time, so I've heard.
I think that was a stunty in the suit in the crawling shot.
I think the powerplant scene sums up not only AvPR's, failings, but the failings of films in general that try to copy other movies.
The sequence where the Alien attacks the plant worker is obviously an homage to Alien, yet the scenes are executed so differently it's mind-boggling. Alien takes its time, lets the scene sink in, and has the Alien lowering without a sound like a phantom.
AvPR has the Alien drop loudly to the floor, rear up, and skullf**k the guy in under ten seconds.
Congratulations to modern filmmakers, they can't even rip off a scene properly.
Quote from: SiL on Jun 17, 2009, 07:17:39 AM
I think the powerplant scene sums up not only AvPR's, failings, but the failings of films in general that try to copy other movies.
The sequence where the Alien attacks the plant worker is obviously an homage to Alien, yet the scenes are executed so differently it's mind-boggling. Alien takes its time, lets the scene sink in, and has the Alien lowering without a sound like a phantom.
AvPR has the Alien drop loudly to the floor, rear up, and skullf**k the guy in under ten seconds.
Congratulations to modern filmmakers, they can't even rip off a scene properly.
:D Very nice way to point it out.
Quote from: SiL on Jun 17, 2009, 07:17:39 AM
I think the powerplant scene sums up not only AvPR's, failings, but the failings of films in general that try to copy other movies.
The sequence where the Alien attacks the plant worker is obviously an homage to Alien, yet the scenes are executed so differently it's mind-boggling. Alien takes its time, lets the scene sink in, and has the Alien lowering without a sound like a phantom.
AvPR has the Alien drop loudly to the floor, rear up, and skullf**k the guy in under ten seconds.
Congratulations to modern filmmakers, they can't even rip off a scene properly.
I don't think that's fair, considering the Alien had Wolf on its ass. It didn't have a chance to be stealthy just to take out one measly plant worker.
Quote from: SM on Jun 17, 2009, 06:42:59 AM
I think that was a stunty in the suit in the crawling shot.
It was. Woodruff didn't do a whole lot on the movie, and neither did the Strauses, obviously. They were puppets, and 2nd unit did a chunk of the shooting. And there were two Strauses, who both fell asleep(They're not Peter Jackson working on a long movie like Lord of the Rings, so they have no excuse). Which leads me to ask, who was directing? A bunch of cameramen, and sometimes those special effects brothers, that's who.
Neither... They both sucked ass!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jun 17, 2009, 05:52:25 PM
I don't think that's fair, considering the Alien had Wolf on its ass. It didn't have a chance to be stealthy just to take out one measly plant worker.
That doesn't mean it had to drop down like a guy in a rubber suit.
Quote from: SiL on Jun 17, 2009, 10:35:53 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jun 17, 2009, 05:52:25 PM
I don't think that's fair, considering the Alien had Wolf on its ass. It didn't have a chance to be stealthy just to take out one measly plant worker.
That doesn't mean it had to drop down like a guy in a rubber suit.
But you don't even see the alien properly, you just see a silhouette falling down and then you hear the impact.
My question: How can something drop down and look like a guy in a rubber suit when you actually don't see it?
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Jun 17, 2009, 10:53:28 PM
Quote from: SiL on Jun 17, 2009, 10:35:53 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jun 17, 2009, 05:52:25 PM
I don't think that's fair, considering the Alien had Wolf on its ass. It didn't have a chance to be stealthy just to take out one measly plant worker.
That doesn't mean it had to drop down like a guy in a rubber suit.
But you don't even see the alien properly, you just see a silhouette falling down and then you hear the impact.
My question: How can something drop down and look like a guy in a rubber suit when you actually don't see it?
Can't see anything in this movie properly. Anyway, why wonder? You know perfectly well that this movie is filled to the brim with man-in-suit shots.
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Jun 17, 2009, 10:53:28 PM
My question: How can something drop down and look like a guy in a rubber suit when you actually don't see it?
I meant it sounded like a guy in a rubber suit.
Quote from: SiL on Jun 17, 2009, 11:02:05 PM
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Jun 17, 2009, 10:53:28 PM
My question: How can something drop down and look like a guy in a rubber suit when you actually don't see it?
I meant it sounded like a guy in a rubber suit.
To me, it sounded more like something heavy falling on a metallic grid floor. How is that even possible, it
sounded like a guy in a rubber suit? If you could hear the rubber creaking or the animatronic sound FX then one could say that it sounded like a rubber suit.
We just hear something heavy hitting the ground. Same goes for the CG cloaked Predator, it makes the same noises when hitting the floor, does that sound like a man in a rubber suit too?
The Alien is a heavy creature that has a certain weight, i dont see the problem with
that scene.
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Jun 17, 2009, 11:11:26 PM
To me, it sounded more like something heavy falling on a metallic grid floor.
Exactly.
Compare
Alien, where the thing doesn't make any sound, to AvPR, where it sounds like a sack of bricks. An elephant. A guy in a rubber suit. Something heavy.
QuoteThe Alien is a heavy creature that has a certain weight, i dont see the problem with that scene.
They've never been portrayed as particularly heavy creatures. Strong, yes, heavy, not really.
That's what makes the creature elegant. What makes it Alien. No sound when landing.
QuoteCompare Alien, where the thing doesn't make any sound
Its always quiet in the movie, that's true, but i cant remember a scene where the alien actually jumps down on the floor itself, therefore we cant really compare it.
QuoteThat's what makes the creature elegant.
But at the same time unrealistic, Brett's death was only possible the way it was shown because the alien was basically
flying through the air.
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Jun 18, 2009, 12:33:37 AM
Its always quiet in the movie, that's true, but i cant remember a scene where the alien actually jumps down on the floor itself, therefore we cant really compare it.
Lowering behind Brett. Which it would've done from a much greater height, yet didn't make a sound. The Alien didn't have to jump down in AvPR - That's another problem. It could've been quick and stealthy, but the Strause brothers *insert generic insult here*
QuoteBut at the same time unrealistic, Brett's death was only possible the way it was shown because the alien was basically flying through the air.
It grew to eight feet in a few hours, has acid for blood, no eyes. But lowering and rising gracefully through the air? Hey now! :P
The thing with the scene is that the alien has no hold to its feet or anything, it lifts Parker with its tail, at the same time holding his head in its hands. How could it even come in the height to disappear? The feet are clearly just hanging.
Starts to sing *I believed I could fly*
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Jun 18, 2009, 12:49:51 AM
The thing with the scene is that the alien has no hold to its feet or anything, it lifts Parker with its tail, at the same time holding his head in its hands. How could it even come in the height to disappear? The feet are clearly just hanging.
Starts to sing *I believed I could fly*
It's an Alien.
And a pile of shit is a pile of shit, does that make it stink less?
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Jun 18, 2009, 12:57:57 AM
And a pile of shit is a pile of shit, does that make it stink less?
Are we factoring in whose shit it is? Because I can tell you for certain that mine
does not stink.
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Jun 18, 2009, 12:49:51 AM
The thing with the scene is that the alien has no hold to its feet or anything, it lifts Parker with its tail, at the same time holding his head in its hands. How could it even come in the height to disappear? The feet are clearly just hanging.
It jumps. With its tail.
They just forgot to add the "Boooiiing" sound effect.
QuoteIt jumps. With its tail.
They just forgot to add the "Boooiiing" sound effect.
These lazy filmmakers again!!
Quote from: SiL on Jun 18, 2009, 01:03:11 AM
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Jun 18, 2009, 12:49:51 AM
The thing with the scene is that the alien has no hold to its feet or anything, it lifts Parker with its tail, at the same time holding his head in its hands. How could it even come in the height to disappear? The feet are clearly just hanging.
It jumps. With its tail.
They just forgot to add the "Boooiiing" sound effect.
Seriously?
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.halifaxschool.org%2Fimages%2Ftigger.jpg&hash=9e3e0893563c6e8479da2dc4631cc4e09a9b1bdd)
I always figured it was raising and lowering itself using the tail to hang onto things above. Never really noticed the tail just hanging there.
Quote from: SiL on Jun 18, 2009, 01:03:11 AM
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Jun 18, 2009, 12:49:51 AM
The thing with the scene is that the alien has no hold to its feet or anything, it lifts Parker with its tail, at the same time holding his head in its hands. How could it even come in the height to disappear? The feet are clearly just hanging.
It jumps. With its tail.
They just forgot to add the "Boooiiing" sound effect.
Are you serious? Ridley Scott never mentioned this.
I'm joking.
But it does lower itself on its tail at the beginning of the scene, and it does twist before rising straight up into the air.
Wait - Pvt Hicks thought there was really supposed to be a boing sound? :o
Well maybe if an Alien was hosted by Zebedee from the Magic Roundabout.
No, I was kidding. :D
You say that now...
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Jun 18, 2009, 12:49:51 AM
The thing with the scene is that the alien has no hold to its feet or anything, it lifts Parker with its tail, at the same time holding his head in its hands. How could it even come in the height to disappear? The feet are clearly just hanging.
Starts to sing *I believed I could fly*
Fleas can jump 200 times their own body length, whose to say the Alien can't do the same? At 7ft tall it might be able to jump 1400 ft. That could easily account for what is seen when the Alien seems to fly up with Brett. The position of the legs in the air have nothing to do with anything either.
Of course it has to do that the alien has its legs up in the air, with what is it going to jump then?
After headbiting bred, he falls to the ground and you see the alien grabbing his head with its feet up into the air, how is it going to jump?
QuoteFleas can jump 200 times their own body length, whose to say the Alien can't do the same?
Whose to say that my dog cant do the same, OH wait, whose to say that i cant do the same? Ohh yeah right, I'm not a flea, neither is the Alien.
QuoteWhose to say that my dog cant do the same, OH wait, whose to say that i cant do the same? Ohh yeah right, I'm not a flea, neither is the Alien.
Yeah, but both you and your dog have an intensely studied biology, whereas the Alien does not, its full capabilities especially at the time of Alien are completely unknown and while a flea and Alien aren't the same the Alien is much closer to the Flea in design than you or your dog.
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Jun 25, 2009, 05:34:49 AM
Of course it has to do that the alien has its legs up in the air, with what is it going to jump then?
After headbiting bred, he falls to the ground and you see the alien grabbing his head with its feet up into the air, how is it going to jump?
QuoteFleas can jump 200 times their own body length, whose to say the Alien can't do the same?
Whose to say that my dog cant do the same, OH wait, whose to say that i cant do the same? Ohh yeah right, I'm not a flea, neither is the Alien.
When were its feet in the air? It landed on the ground before it bit Brett.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jun 25, 2009, 05:03:59 PM
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Jun 25, 2009, 05:34:49 AM
Of course it has to do that the alien has its legs up in the air, with what is it going to jump then?
After headbiting bred, he falls to the ground and you see the alien grabbing his head with its feet up into the air, how is it going to jump?
QuoteFleas can jump 200 times their own body length, whose to say the Alien can't do the same?
Whose to say that my dog cant do the same, OH wait, whose to say that i cant do the same? Ohh yeah right, I'm not a flea, neither is the Alien.
When were its feet in the air? It landed on the ground before it bit Brett.
No it didn't, it's still in the air when it headbites Brett, it never touches the ground in the scene and therefore it cant jump. So the whole flea theory is useless.
Quotethe Alien is much closer to the Flea in design than you
You sure about that? ;)
So it was a small error that the filmmakers didn't notice. :P
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Jun 25, 2009, 08:01:21 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jun 25, 2009, 05:03:59 PM
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Jun 25, 2009, 05:34:49 AM
Of course it has to do that the alien has its legs up in the air, with what is it going to jump then?
After headbiting bred, he falls to the ground and you see the alien grabbing his head with its feet up into the air, how is it going to jump?
QuoteFleas can jump 200 times their own body length, whose to say the Alien can't do the same?
Whose to say that my dog cant do the same, OH wait, whose to say that i cant do the same? Ohh yeah right, I'm not a flea, neither is the Alien.
When were its feet in the air? It landed on the ground before it bit Brett.
No it didn't, it's still in the air when it headbites Brett, it never touches the ground in the scene and therefore it cant jump. So the whole flea theory is useless.
Quotethe Alien is much closer to the Flea in design than you
You sure about that? ;)
I think whether its feet were touching the ground or not- it is implied that it jumps, seeing as how the Aliens don't have wings last time I checked and the fact that his arms were wrapped around Brett means he wasn't climbing up a chain. The fact that is feet weren't touching the ground which I'll take your word for is just a blooper, which nearly all movies have. Pretty obvious.
QuoteI'll take your word for is just a blooper
That's what i said from the beginning, you were the one that tried to find explanations for it.
It simply is a mistake, they cheated, no big deal.
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Jun 25, 2009, 09:05:49 PM
QuoteI'll take your word for is just a blooper
That's what i said from the beginning, you were the one that tried to find explanations for it.
It simply is a mistake, they cheated, no big deal.
Right the fact that you can see his feet, not the fact that he jumps up that far, he does jump ;)
avp design seemed more scary.
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Jun 25, 2009, 09:05:49 PM
That's what i said from the beginning, you were the one that tried to find explanations for it.
It simply is a mistake, they cheated, no big deal.
It's not a mistake if you do it on purpose ;)
Quote from: SiL on Jul 08, 2009, 04:44:24 AM
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Jun 25, 2009, 09:05:49 PM
That's what i said from the beginning, you were the one that tried to find explanations for it.
It simply is a mistake, they cheated, no big deal.
It's not a mistake if you do it on purpose ;)
Alright then, they cheated on purpose, or to put it in other words, they didn't even give a shit about it.
The AvP design is really well done. If I'm right, it was praised by the Giger Man himself.
They look a lot like the Aliens from the Fourth entry in the original saga, they lack only the double joint leg (I think), which was a good addition back then.
The AvPR design is not that bad, but could have been better.
Uh, no.
Giger was not at all impressed with what ADI did.
In a recent interview he basically said "I won an Oscar for Alien, I don't see why they changed it".
He once likened the Alien Resurrection designs to turds. Which would count for the AvP designs, too.
Sorry then, I confused the two :o :(
Which two?
Giger's pretty much disliked everything since Alien Resurrection - I'm not sure if he's seen what they did in AvPR.
The Alien: Resurrection one and the AvP one.
They're more or less the same. The AvP design just a simplified colour scheme with black and metallic variants, the legs have one knee joint, the headrest returned, and the hands have opposing thumbs.
Quote from: SiL on Jan 22, 2010, 12:36:56 PM
Uh, no.
Giger was not at all impressed with what ADI did.
In a recent interview he basically said "I won an Oscar for Alien, I don't see why they changed it".
He once likened the Alien Resurrection designs to turds. Which would count for the AvP designs, too.
ah, the Alien makers III interview yes? There was one thing that always bugged me about that, he says this, then goes back saying he likes how they moved and how they looked in the AVP which then has the sceen force me to look at the predalien for half a minute. I personally think he's just being polite and professional, but man I really wanted him of all people to slam on AVP.
To be fair, how they moved and were filmed was one of the few highlights of the movie. Anderson really knew how to capture the design on screen properly.
It's like choosing between a giant douche and a turd sandwich.
I voted douche.
I still don't understand why they had to change the designs so much anyways.
I like em both, I would say AVP:R though.
They're both watered down, kid-friendly versions. AvPr was executed so horribly on screen. I kinda like the direction they went for but it still failed horribly. AvP was nothing more than AR with new coloring.
BOTH crap IMHO!! >:(
Total insult to HR Gigers HARD work!!! >:(
Bri ;D
Quote from: BUGZ on Feb 15, 2010, 06:58:09 PM
BOTH crap IMHO!! >:(
Total insult to HR Gigers HARD work!!! >:(
AMEN!
It's like choosing between a giant douche and a turd sandwich.
Quote from: The Demon on Feb 15, 2010, 06:16:11 PM
I kinda like the direction they went for but it still failed horribly.
They had a direction for this?
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/gallery/albums/movies/avp2/productionstills/productionstill36.jpg)
o hai! iz poopin in ur in trayz!
Quote from: XenoVC on Feb 15, 2010, 11:43:17 PM
Quote from: The Demon on Feb 15, 2010, 06:16:11 PM
I kinda like the direction they went for but it still failed horribly.
They had a direction for this?
http://www.avpgalaxy.net/gallery/albums/movies/avp2/productionstills/productionstill36.jpg
What I meant by direction was they tried to go back to the
ALIENS look.
Obviously, like I said before, it didn't turn out too well.
QuoteWhat I meant by direction was they tried to go back to the ALIENS look.
Obviously, like I said before, it didn't turn out too well.
lol .. nope it didn't - it FAILED BIG TIME.....
The directors - direction was off! - mega fail!
Just nasty!
These "Aliens" should resemble the Alien from Alien - not some re-hash of the old molds from AvP.
Watching AVP:R an hour ago reminded me of how terrible a film it really is. But anyway - I NEED to go watch Alien to cheer myself up!
Damn AVP film franchise!! GRR!!
Ok must go ... :-X
Bri 8)
Quote from: XenoVC on Feb 15, 2010, 11:43:17 PM
Quote from: The Demon on Feb 15, 2010, 06:16:11 PM
I kinda like the direction they went for but it still failed horribly.
They had a direction for this?
http://www.avpgalaxy.net/gallery/albums/movies/avp2/productionstills/productionstill36.jpg
That doesn't even look like an Alien!
I think I finally see why everyone hates the AVPR design so much.
That pic is nasty. And not in a good way.
That particular pic is pretty bad. It barely has anything in common with the classic Alien.
AvP was WAY better than AvP:R, if only because of the smooth dome.
The AvP design by a long shot. Compare:
AvP
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/gallery/albums/movies/avp/promo/normal_promo03.jpg)
Not GREAT, but it's at least somewhat true to the spirit of the thing.
AvP-R
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/gallery/albums/movies/avp2/productionstills/productionstill37.jpg)
On the other hand, there are no words to describe this clusterf**k.
Yeah, the AvP one completely abandoned the biomechanical nature of the previous creatures, but at least it tried to not blatantly look like a man in a suit.
I prefer the AvPR design.
Personally, I feel it was truer to the concept of the Alien creature. Where AvP depicted them as slender - if horrific - avatars of death, AvPR got it right. Their sheer bulk and infantile physical attributes were perfect.
Let's be honest; Giger and Scott were nutjobs to make the Alien as it was. Psychosexuality? Disgusting. Strength and resilience? No-one wants to watch something where the villain might actually win. Intelligence? Not necessary for a drone under the express psychic command of a Queen.
On that topic, the Queen really should've been in Alien. Scott was a complete retard for leaving it out. After all, how cool is the Queen, aight?
God damn, dude, don't scare me like that.
Quote from: MadassAlex on Feb 21, 2010, 05:53:36 AM
I prefer the AvPR design.
Personally, I feel it was truer to the concept of the Alien creature. Where AvP depicted them as slender - if horrific - avatars of death, AvPR got it right. Their sheer bulk and infantile physical attributes were perfect.
Let's be honest; Giger and Scott were nutjobs to make the Alien as it was. Psychosexuality? Disgusting. Strength and resilience? No-one wants to watch something where the villain might actually win. Intelligence? Not necessary for a drone under the express psychic command of a Queen.
On that topic, the Queen really should've been in Alien. Scott was a complete retard for leaving it out. After all, how cool is the Queen, aight?
My god! The sarcasm-detector just exploded!
Quote from: SiL on Feb 21, 2010, 05:57:46 AM
God damn, dude, don't scare me like that.
HES GONE INTO CARDIAC ARREST.
I NEED A CRASH CART IN HERE
Quote from: XenoVC on Feb 15, 2010, 11:43:17 PM
Quote from: The Demon on Feb 15, 2010, 06:16:11 PM
I kinda like the direction they went for but it still failed horribly.
They had a direction for this?
http://www.avpgalaxy.net/gallery/albums/movies/avp2/productionstills/productionstill36.jpg
:D i remember pictures poping up when avpr was being made and ppl saying they will look better when they do the colour grading :D
Quote from: MadassAlex on Feb 21, 2010, 05:53:36 AM
I prefer the AvPR design.
Personally, I feel it was truer to the concept of the Alien creature. Where AvP depicted them as slender - if horrific - avatars of death, AvPR got it right. Their sheer bulk and infantile physical attributes were perfect.
Let's be honest; Giger and Scott were nutjobs to make the Alien as it was. Psychosexuality? Disgusting. Strength and resilience? No-one wants to watch something where the villain might actually win. Intelligence? Not necessary for a drone under the express psychic command of a Queen.
On that topic, the Queen really should've been in Alien. Scott was a complete retard for leaving it out. After all, how cool is the Queen, aight?
Impressive... you gradually turned my angry face into a happy one!
Quote from: Stalker on May 31, 2008, 02:38:40 AM
Quote from: Chris P on May 30, 2008, 08:02:59 PM
The jaw on the Aliens from AVPR were a little bit much. If they kept the AVP Alien design, just changed the head to what they were in AVPR (GRID) that would have looked better.
I think you might be mixed up. "Grid" was the nickname of the alien in AVP which killed Celtic & Scar, identified by the grid-like marks on its head caused by Celtic's net.
I thought the Queen killed Scar :P
Quote from: TJ Doc on Feb 21, 2010, 03:06:16 PM
Quote from: MadassAlex on Feb 21, 2010, 05:53:36 AM
I prefer the AvPR design.
Personally, I feel it was truer to the concept of the Alien creature. Where AvP depicted them as slender - if horrific - avatars of death, AvPR got it right. Their sheer bulk and infantile physical attributes were perfect.
Let's be honest; Giger and Scott were nutjobs to make the Alien as it was. Psychosexuality? Disgusting. Strength and resilience? No-one wants to watch something where the villain might actually win. Intelligence? Not necessary for a drone under the express psychic command of a Queen.
On that topic, the Queen really should've been in Alien. Scott was a complete retard for leaving it out. After all, how cool is the Queen, aight?
Impressive... you gradually turned my angry face into a happy one!
Few people have been able to do that.
AvP-R's since it reminded me of Aliens' design which is, IMO, the best one for me. They can hide way better on hive's walls with ridged heads.
It doesn't even look like an Alien! Hell, it doesn't even look like a living creature; it looks blatantly like a man in a suit!
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Feb 21, 2010, 06:06:47 PM
It doesn't even look like an Alien! Hell, it doesn't even look like a living creature; it looks blatantly like a man in a suit!
So did the creature in ALIEN ande ALIENS. Usually the ones in AvP didn't, but that's because it was usually either a puppet or CG for anything but the extreme closeups.
If we are talking about how the design is presented, then yes, I'd go with AvP for the reasons I just mentioned, as both a puppet and a CG character are able to look more slender than a person in a suit can. (i voted for AvP because of this)
If it is the ACTUAL design - ie ridges vs dome, tail length, etc, and we aren't considering the effectiveness of the cinematography for hiding the fact that a suit is being used, then I would go with AvP-R
No, they looked like living creatures, with a distinct biomechanical feel. Couple that up with the great lighting that they used in the film, and it was a seamless effect.
The actual design of the suit? Okay, here you go, but I warn you, it is nauseating:
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/gallery/albums/movies/avp2/productionstills/productionstill36.jpg)
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/gallery/albums/movies/avp2/productionstills/productionstill37.jpg)
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Feb 21, 2010, 06:27:14 PM
No, they looked like living creatures, with a distinct biomechanical feel.
Alien had its bad moments...
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi50.tinypic.com%2F23s85g6.jpg&hash=dc249a61ecffeee5d2b4120f84a045578f4fbe0a)
But that does
not solve the fact that
Alien is from
1979,
AvPR instead is from
2007. 28 freakin'years of improvement, for what?
Okay, yes. A few bad moments, but for the majority of the film, it looked living.
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Feb 21, 2010, 06:30:36 PM
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Feb 21, 2010, 06:27:14 PM
Alien had its bad moments...
http://i50.tinypic.com/23s85g6.jpg
:D
It is a shame, though, how right at the end of the film we get that really unconvincing shot of the Alien in space.
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Feb 21, 2010, 06:27:14 PM
No, they looked like living creatures, with a distinct biomechanical feel. Couple that up with the great lighting that they used in the film, and it was a seamless effect.
The actual design of the suit? Okay, here you go, but I warn you, it is nauseating:
http://www.avpgalaxy.net/gallery/albums/movies/avp2/productionstills/productionstill36.jpg
http://www.avpgalaxy.net/gallery/albums/movies/avp2/productionstills/productionstill37.jpg
yes, i perfer this to AvP's. And two thoughts of "man in suit" come to mind in the originals. In ALIEN when dallas is killed/captured it is painfully obvious that a guy that just reaches his arms out. In ALIENS, when the marines are first entcountering the aliens, it is obvious that a person in a suit is wire-lifted from a wall and grasps ahold of whoever the marine was..
I loved the Dallas "jazz-hands" capture! That was one of the most tense and scary moments in the film, and for me that was not a bad shot at all. As for the Aliens bit, it's been a while since I saw that, so I can't comment.
Quote from: TJ Doc on Feb 21, 2010, 06:36:25 PM
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Feb 21, 2010, 06:30:36 PM
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Feb 21, 2010, 06:27:14 PM
Alien had its bad moments...
http://i50.tinypic.com/23s85g6.jpg
:D
It is a shame, though, how right at the end of the film we get that really unconvincing shot of the Alien in space.
It is a shame, but the rest of the film more than made up for that.
Indeed. Oh, and -
QuoteI loved the Dallas "jazz-hands" capture! That was one of the most tense and scary moments in the film, and for me that was not a bad shot at all. As for the Aliens bit, it's been a while since I saw that, so I can't comment.
Spoiler
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Quote from: TJ Doc on Feb 21, 2010, 07:02:02 PM
Indeed. Oh, and -
QuoteI loved the Dallas "jazz-hands" capture! That was one of the most tense and scary moments in the film, and for me that was not a bad shot at all. As for the Aliens bit, it's been a while since I saw that, so I can't comment.
Spoiler
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You see! All he wants to do is hug! *returns hug to Alien*
Quote from: TJ Doc on Feb 21, 2010, 07:02:02 PM
Indeed. Oh, and -
QuoteI loved the Dallas "jazz-hands" capture! That was one of the most tense and scary moments in the film, and for me that was not a bad shot at all. As for the Aliens bit, it's been a while since I saw that, so I can't comment.
Spoiler
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi787.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fyy151%2FTJDocT84%2Fhugs.jpg&hash=c142249a8d9bf6d8f9d64ed6039e0ef3fe8e6179)
JESUS CHRIST DON'T DO THAT TO ME I DIDN'T KNOW THERE WAS AN ALIEN IN THAT SPOILER. :'(
*Curls up in a ball in the corner and mutters to himself*
...Of course, after that I read the caption and lol'd. :P
I'm sorry. Sometimes TJ can be so insensitive.
Quote from: MadassAlex on Feb 21, 2010, 05:53:36 AM
I prefer the AvPR design.
Personally, I feel it was truer to the concept of the Alien creature. Where AvP depicted them as slender - if horrific - avatars of death, AvPR got it right. Their sheer bulk and infantile physical attributes were perfect.
Let's be honest; Giger and Scott were nutjobs to make the Alien as it was. Psychosexuality? Disgusting. Strength and resilience? No-one wants to watch something where the villain might actually win. Intelligence? Not necessary for a drone under the express psychic command of a Queen.
On that topic, the Queen really should've been in Alien. Scott was a complete retard for leaving it out. After all, how cool is the Queen, aight?
Never, ever do this again. I just got back from the hospital.
My brain had lit itself on fire.
Quote from: TJ Doc on Feb 21, 2010, 07:02:02 PM
Indeed. Oh, and -
QuoteI loved the Dallas "jazz-hands" capture! That was one of the most tense and scary moments in the film, and for me that was not a bad shot at all. As for the Aliens bit, it's been a while since I saw that, so I can't comment.
Spoiler
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Shit man think i just soiled my fing pants!!!! *takes deep breath*
But all it wants is a hug!
It was funny when I first saw that part I jumped but then I knew he just wanted to give Dallas a hug
Quote from: TJ Doc on Feb 21, 2010, 06:36:25 PM
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Feb 21, 2010, 06:30:36 PM
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Feb 21, 2010, 06:27:14 PM
Alien had its bad moments...
http://i50.tinypic.com/23s85g6.jpg
:D
It is a shame, though, how right at the end of the film we get that really unconvincing shot of the Alien in space.
The stiff Alien that flys after Wolf punches onto the hospital roof in AVPR was probably a homage to Alien.
Anyone?
Nah, at least that Alien's tail bent and its arms curved back a little. Kane's Son went totally stiff as a board.
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QuoteBut that does not solve the fact that Alien is from 1979, AvPR instead is from 2007. 28 freakin'years of improvement, for what?
Quote from: TJ Doc on Feb 21, 2010, 06:36:25 PM
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Feb 21, 2010, 06:30:36 PM
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Feb 21, 2010, 06:27:14 PM
Alien had its bad moments...
http://i50.tinypic.com/23s85g6.jpg
:D
It is a shame, though, how right at the end of the film we get that really unconvincing shot of the Alien in space.
nothing wrong with that shot
No, only that is the only shot in the entire film that clearly gives off a "GUY IN SUIT!!!" clue.
I prefer AVP aliens. They have those crappy shoulder pads, but at least ADI didn't screw up their mouths like in AVPR. How would they consume anything when they literally had nothing on their face but teeth and a jaw?
That's assuming they eat, although in AvPR they intended to show the Alien eating the kid at the pool.
Looks more like he's just sitting there hole-punching, but whatever.
Even if they don't eat (and stupidity of that idea is larger than the size of our galaxy - every move consumes energy that has to be produced somehow; besides, why would they need such a sophisticated tounge-like apparatus if they didn't eat?), it still doesn't make sense. If they had just one fibre of a muscle to move their jaws (which are their most effective weapons), slightest face injury would disarm them. It's like evolving to have your brain outside the skull. Doesn't make sense.
You forget that this is the biomechanical monster from another world, which may have been engineered as a biological weapon; it doesn't need to fit any of the terrestrial expectations that we may apply to it. As for your second point, about the muscle stuff, yeah; it didn't make any sense.
Quote from: szuran on Feb 27, 2010, 09:35:13 PM
besides, why would they need such a sophisticated tounge-like apparatus if they didn't eat?)
The tongue fills the whole mouth and has no hole of its own with which to ingest food. Their mouths aren't designed for eating. It's entirely possible they get energy from other means.
Or that they don't, and are just living battery packs.
We don't know.
Maybe the tongue is placed like a false-appalatus of a crocodile, and under it the esophagus.
Quote from: MadassAlex on Feb 27, 2010, 10:59:23 PM
Or that they don't, and are just living battery packs.
We don't know.
A battery pack doesn't last forever. They would still need to get energy from somewhere.
Or they just die.
bingo.
Or they simply self-generate energy from the environment, depending on which type of environment they're in. For example, on Earth they may act like plants and get energy from the sun.
Either way, we'll never know for sure, though what we have seen points to them not eating.
Quote from: Drago-Morph on Feb 28, 2010, 10:22:21 PM
Or they simply self-generate energy from the environment, depending on which type of environment they're in. For example, on Earth they may act like plants and get energy from the sun.
Either way, we'll never know for sure, though what we have seen points to them not eating.
plants still absorb nutrients from external sources other than the sun. I would love to see an alien get "tired" and bury its head underground in order to get some minerals from the soil.
i really hope they do not try and explain the xenos in future movies, i mean seeing xenos portrayed as animals and showin how they eat, sustain and live is just ridiculous...might as well make a documentary on the lifecycle of the bleedin things :P, but seriously keep them as a serious and dangerous presence in the films...and dont turn them into animals...we dont really need to kno that much about them..
Exactly; less is more.
More or less.
You just blew my mind.
AVP, loved the Drones 8) The Queen looked ridiculous but life goes on!
Can one actually compare this
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To this?
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::)
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Mar 07, 2010, 09:32:16 PM
Can one actually compare this
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To this?
http://i48.tinypic.com/2ujsh39.jpg
::)
Beauty and the Beast? ;)
More or less... ;D
I don't really like either that much, but at least AvP tried.
AvP.
Anyone who voted AvPR needs to rethink their life.
For the record, THEY ARE THE EXACT SAME SUITS
lazy ADi only repainted and resculpted the heads, glued bigger theeths and we are good to go :-\
though the AVP:R head does look nicer.
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Mar 07, 2010, 09:32:16 PM
Can one actually compare this
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To this?
http://i48.tinypic.com/2ujsh39.jpg
::)
I actually like the AVPR head better. Just switch the heads and we're good. 8)
Quote from: The Demon on Mar 08, 2010, 12:15:25 AM
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Mar 07, 2010, 09:32:16 PM
Can one actually compare this
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To this?
http://i48.tinypic.com/2ujsh39.jpg
::)
I actually like the AVPR head better. Just switch the heads and we're good. 8)
It's the same body. The only difference between the two
is the head. :(
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Mar 07, 2010, 09:32:16 PM
Can one actually compare this
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To this?
http://i48.tinypic.com/2ujsh39.jpg
::)
I can and i did. go avpr.
Quote from: #6.0 on Mar 08, 2010, 02:21:37 AM
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Mar 07, 2010, 09:32:16 PM
Can one actually compare this
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To this?
http://i48.tinypic.com/2ujsh39.jpg
::)
I can and i did. go avpr.
LOL :D
No, the head is not the only difference. The neck is enlarged, as well as the arms.
Also not, ADI sculpted the Heads and the new bodies from the very start.
AVP Aliens looked way better than AVP:R's, now that I look back on it.
I just dig the domed head, especially when Grid got his head that specific design.
...
But I still prefer Cameron's Aliens over any other Alien. :3
Who can not like that design? ;D
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8)
Nice design in terms of physical shape sure, but it's still the screaming space bug version.
There was never enough time to appreciate Winston's drone design either. They were either bathed in darkness or blowing apart in split-second shots.
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Mar 08, 2010, 02:20:39 PM
Who can not like that design? ;D
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8)
Its glorious. ;D
Quote from: TJ Doc on Mar 08, 2010, 02:53:48 PM
There was never enough time to appreciate Winston's drone design either. They were either bathed in darkness or blowing apart in split-second shots.
True, but I love the way Cameron shot them. They looked much scarier that way.
We got to appreciate the design in slow-mo when they're being blown to bits. If we lingered on costumes too long they'd be revealed for the 'pissed-off Jaques Cousteaus' they really are.
QuoteIf we lingered on costumes too long they'd be revealed for the 'pissed-off Jaques Cousteaus' they really are.
What?
Sacre bleu!
Wet suits and leotards with bits of tube stuck on.
Ha-ha, not bad.
Direct from Davey Boy Fincher - but I'm sure he wouldn't mind if you used it.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Mar 09, 2010, 03:33:44 AM
Quote from: TJ Doc on Mar 08, 2010, 02:53:48 PM
There was never enough time to appreciate Winston's drone design either. They were either bathed in darkness or blowing apart in split-second shots.
True, but I love the way Cameron shot them. They looked much scarier that way.
The Alien slowly revealing its jaws by raising the lips.... immortal.
Wonder where he got that idea...
:D
Cameron shot it better.
Strongly disagree. The combination of foamy spit and the Aliens trembling as their mouths opened made them look like they were having seizures.
Like they just ingested cyanide?
Quote from: SiL on Mar 10, 2010, 09:27:21 PM
Strongly disagree. The combination of foamy spit and the Aliens trembling as their mouths opened made them look like they were having seizures.
I thought it looked great. It made them seem more real compared to the motionless Giger drone. But I guess in some parts the motionless performance of the Giger drone is very chilling.
The first alien slowly peeling its lips back was way scarier than the trembling "Blurghrhgurhguhrghghh" aliens.
It seemed scarier to me because it was real vicious like some kind of wolf, you know. They're so pissed off looking to something so helpless. I don't know how to explain it.
Quote from: Huol on Mar 10, 2010, 10:42:16 PM
The first alien slowly peeling its lips back was way scarier than the trembling "Blurghrhgurhguhrghghh" aliens.
Absolutely. It played into the methodical nature of the aliens kill's. Plus lets not forget the alien is supposed to be a
biomechanoid. Some part of it should evoke a sense of machinery. Having things move very machine like, very quiet, very smooth... Far more intimidating.
I frankly think the more activity they've given the lips, the less i've enjoyed seeing the alien. Particularly in AVP when it would do that half-lip curl and bare its teeth... Looked like a cat to me.
Quote from: OpenMaw on Mar 10, 2010, 10:46:12 PM
Quote from: Huol on Mar 10, 2010, 10:42:16 PM
The first alien slowly peeling its lips back was way scarier than the trembling "Blurghrhgurhguhrghghh" aliens.
I frankly think the more activity they've given the lips, the less i've enjoyed seeing the alien.
You have to admit, the Runner's smile was creepy as Hell.
Quote from: Drago-Morph on Mar 11, 2010, 12:28:23 AM
You have to admit, the Runner's smile was creepy as Hell.
Yeah, but that wasnt like Aliens or the AvP films. When it looks up at Golic, face covered in blood, its lips just pull back and reveal the teeth.
Just like the original.
Quote from: OpenMaw on Mar 11, 2010, 12:46:03 AM
Quote from: Drago-Morph on Mar 11, 2010, 12:28:23 AM
You have to admit, the Runner's smile was creepy as Hell.
Yeah, but that wasnt like Aliens or the AvP films. When it looks up at Golic, face covered in blood, its lips just pull back and reveal the teeth. Just like the original.
The original was quite a bit more refined. It was just enough of an opening to be effective. The Runner's was a "say cheese", though I get your point.
The Alien's "smile" when it looked into Jones' catbox in Alien was hell creepy. Just the way it tilted its head, bam.
The Aliens approach made them look rabid. Rabid animals are plenty scary, sure, but the slower, more mechanical method of the original makes it look like it just really doesn't give a crap about you, rather than being so damn angry all the time raaargh.
Potentially justified?
Maybe the Aliens were a bit more shaken and violent having realised that they could be killed by these adversaries. Goes a long way to explaining the behavioural inconsistencies.
I don't think they have any sort of comprehension of how quickly an adversary can kill them. All they know is, "I'm angry. You're in my way." Or something to that effect.
As the universe's most badass survivalists, I'm pretty sure having a good idea of threat recognition is a necessity. For instance, in Alien 3, Spike was basically just aggressive for most of the movie without any signs of actual anger -- which all changed when he went skinny-dipping in ten tons of molten lead.
So when the Aliens saw another Alien go KAPUT, they might have had a collective "ah shit, time to UP THE GAME" moment. Maybe.
I didn't say they can't recognize a threat. I said they won't see one thing as more of a threat than the other.
Which doesn't really have any founding.
If that was the case, why did the Queen at the end of Aliens only go after Newt when Ripley wasn't around? And why did she ignore Newt when Ripley showed up in the exo-suit?
In Alien, why did the Alien kill Parker first?
Answer to both: the Alien attacked that which was perceived to be a bigger threat (or at least more bothersome). Parker actually had the guts to attack Kane's Son, which would've put him on the Alien's naughty list immediately. Ripley had caused significant damage to the hive, which made her the more significant threat to the Queen.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Mar 11, 2010, 07:01:06 AM
I didn't say they can't recognize a threat. I said they won't see one thing as more of a threat than the other.
Most animals can do that. I highly doubt an alien life form intelligent enough to figure out how to cut the power to part of a colony isn't smart enough to realize that the guy with the stick that kills people from long range is more dangerous than the guy with the short point piece of metal, at least after seeing them use it.
The Strauses really dug deep into 'dem dark and gritty roots of the franchise by basing they're Aliens look on the cancelled Operation:Aliens,anyone?anyone?
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:P
Oh god! It has eyes! :'(
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Mar 13, 2010, 11:14:16 PM
Oh god! It has eyes! :'(
Nah, its just a poor shine effect. Hes got those white spots all over him.
It still sucks! Almost as bad as Chet!
well, at least it fits in with the style of the show.
id watch it.
I like the smooth, sleek and sexy Alien from the original AvP.
Though I prefer Cameron's Aliens design to the other smooth head's design, but Requiem doesn't even have anything at all like it. The Aliens look like they fell out of the ugly tree and hit every branch on the way down, hitting their teeth in the process by a branch or two that simply must have been made of steel for their teeth to look that f**ked up.
Quote from: ScoobySnax on Mar 14, 2010, 02:53:21 AM
I like the smooth, sleek and sexy Alien from the original AvP.
Though I prefer Cameron's Aliens design to the other smooth head's design, but Requiem doesn't even have anything at all like it. The Aliens look like they fell out of the ugly tree and hit every branch on the way down, hitting their teeth in the process by a branch or two that simply must have been made of steel for their teeth to look that f**ked up.
:D
Don't forget the inbreeding!
heh, i stated the inbreed thing like a year ago.
Inbreeding?
Of course; how else could they get so f**king ugly and deformed?
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Mar 19, 2010, 12:06:53 AM
Of course; how else could they get so f**king ugly and deformed?
could have been the humans that the aliens harvested...there was some real funny looking people theyre aswell... :P
They were inbred, hence leading to the Aliens being inbred! It's the only explanation.
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Mar 19, 2010, 12:15:36 AM
They were inbred, hence leading to the Aliens being inbred! It's the only explanation.
must be :P i mean a prime example of it is bobby.... :P
Quote from: XenoVC on Mar 13, 2010, 10:51:30 PM
The Strauses really dug deep into 'dem dark and gritty roots of the franchise by basing they're Aliens look on the cancelled Operation:Aliens,anyone?anyone?
http://www.alienscollection.com/oacartoon5.gif
:P
Nah, that looks much better.
Quote from: gameoverman on May 31, 2008, 06:55:00 AM
One thing I give Anderson credit for - he knows how to shoot aliens. Not one shot did I think that the aliens looked fake or retarded looking.
And every shot was great - you could really make out the detail.
AVPR - holy f**k - when you could barely make them out. I admit, some shots I liked. The alien running along the ceiling looked good.
But the aliens on the rooftop were a disgrace! They looked like muppets. :D It was like a carnival game - they kept bobbing up and down in the background. It was the most retarded thing I've ever seen. :-X
I agree with you that Anderson knew how to shoot the aliens better, but one thing he did that I didn't like was the go go gadget tail of grid when it killed Chopper predator. It's tail suddenly went from about 6 feet long to about 25 feet long. wtf! Was amusing as much as it was unbelievable though, heh.
AVPR.
Ah, #6.0! The king of controversial opinions! :)
DAM straight mofo!!!!!!!!!! ;D
I prefer the AvP alien designs.
The AvP:R alien designs looked out of place in my opinion. They just didn't look as menacing or something was out of proportion.
Their necks, for a start. And the teeth; they looked like they were growing out of their lips.
AvP Aliens were sooo better -just look at my avatar & signature in case you didn't notice the badasseness 8)-
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it looks too small.
What looks too small?
That's what she said.
Wait... aww fu#k! :-[
There, there? ???
Quote from: #6.0 on Mar 20, 2010, 04:30:35 PM
AVPR.
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C'mon, if he likes AvPR design it doesn't necessarily mean he's saying so for trolling.
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Mar 20, 2010, 08:55:30 PM
C'mon, if he likes AvPR design it doesn't necessarily mean he's saying so for trolling.
No, he's not allowed to have a different opinion than us. :P
/Blatant trolling
TROLL! :o
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Mar 20, 2010, 08:57:15 PM
TROLL! :o
Problem, officer?
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Trolling is legally punishable by the 123445th law of AvPgalaxy. Police goes on now 8)
Lol, just kiddin'. Everyone has different opinions about the Aliens, if 6.0 likes AvPr aliens we shouldn't find anything wrong with it. :)
You do realize he likes them more that the Gigerlien?
AvP of course. AvP-r had to big mouths, which made them look like retards.... which they basicly were :-\
It's the inbreeding, I tells ya!
I do realize it Spacey - as I realize that some people like Slipknot more than Metallica and say they are the best metal band ever, or the ones which say High School Musical is the most well done Musical ever, or the ones which say that Godzilla Final Wars is the best sequel ever to the original Gojira, and stuff.
But it's their opinion and I respect it and mainly I don't call 'em trolls because they expressed their opinion
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Mar 20, 2010, 09:10:49 PM
But it's their opinion and I respect it and mainly I don't call 'em trolls because they expressed their opinion
Well it is my opinion, that your opinion of other people's opinions is really sucky!
If we cant make people feel uncomfortable having different opinions, how are we supoosed to get everyone lock step behind the same ideas? How will we EVER take over the universe? :(
Exactly! That's how us Canadians are going to- oops, he he, uh, never mind.
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Mar 20, 2010, 09:10:49 PM
I do realize it Spacey - as I realize that some people like Slipknot more than Metallica and say they are the best metal band ever, or the ones which say High School Musical is the most well done Musical ever, or the ones which say that Godzilla Final Wars is the best sequel ever to the original Gojira, and stuff.
But it's their opinion and I respect it and mainly I don't call 'em trolls because they expressed their opinion
I said that because I was trying to incite a riot. Didn't work out that well; you're all just too damn reasonable. :D
Quote from: OpenMaw on Mar 20, 2010, 09:12:50 PM
Well it is my opinion, that your opinion of other people's opinions is really sucky!
Thanks. Effectively I can find this post voluntarily put up as a trolling since you are actually insulting my opinion ::) but oh well.
@ Spacey: Riot?
If you feel so empty
So used up, so let down
If you feel so angry
So ripped off so stepped on
You're not the only one
Refusing to back down
You're not the only one
So get up
Let's start a riot, a riot
Let's start a riot
Let's start a riot, a riot
Let's start a riot
If you feel so filthy
So dirty so f**ked up
If you feel so walked on
So painful so pissed off
You're not the only one
Refusing to go down
You're not the only one
So get up
Let's start a riot, a riot
Let's start a riot
Let's start a riot, a riot
Let's start a riot
If you feel so empty
So used up, so let down
If you feel so angry
Just get up
Let's start a riot, a riot
Let's start a riot
Let's start a riot, a riot
Let's start a rioooooooooooooooot!!!Guess what I just referenced. ;)
I think that's obvious; a song.
From which band? ;D
I Googled this: Three Day's Grace. I haven't listened to them at all; I'm more of an old rocker.
Three Days Grace, Riot
Now get back on topic and no name calling, please and thank you.
Party pooper.
I prefer the AvP design, but it still isn't that great. At least it tried.
AvP design was AR design with one less joint on the legs. I love AR design and the outcome is predictable... ;D
You see, that's the problem; I didn't really like the A:R design. It was too fleshy, although I suppose they have an excuse, what with the genetics getting all f**ked-up. One thing I still don't get though; why are they covered in slime? I have only one hypothesis.
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As for the AvP design, I like that they got rid of the slime, but they made it even fleshier. None of the biomechanical elements that made the originals so beautiful (not quite the right word) and compelling remain.
AvP. Nuff said.
Quotenot quite the right word
Amazing, awesome, astounding, magnificent, immense, immortal? :P
Yeah, all of those would work. :D
Quote from: Navaha on Mar 20, 2010, 08:53:46 PM
Quote from: #6.0 on Mar 20, 2010, 04:30:35 PM
AVPR.
http://i473.photobucket.com/albums/rr94/Navaha42/TrollTime.jpg
in my best perez hilton impression "your a troll!!! :P" quite honestly i am not a troll, READ THE TITLE OF THE DAM THREAD.
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I don't know. The AVP and the AVP:R Aliens are pretty much the same body wise, though the feet did change, which is good because the AVP feet look really awkward. But the neck of the AVP:R design is completely buggered up. Woodruff mentions how great the new neck design is, but it looks like crap. So fat. Looks like steroid abuse. I like the return to a ridged design for the dome, but really I don't think I have a preference between the two. But ADI I think screwed up the alien big time since they've taken it over. Like someone else said, all the biomechanical elements are gone, and that was what made them so unique. It gave them something different from any other movie monster previously seen. The newer ones might as well be pumpkin head with elongated craniums :P
AvPR aliens are hyperthyroidic.
Is it me or the AvPR design looks decent in this picture?
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That image hides a lot of its flaws, yeah.
^ movie magic can do wonders
still shit in the film though.
hell ive had to vote avp simply because it was too damn dark to see anything in avpr. For most of AVPR all i could see was moving shapes in the darkness.
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Apr 14, 2010, 12:54:07 PM
Is it me or the AvPR design looks decent in this picture?
http://i43.tinypic.com/dvk6c1.jpg
That's one pic,and even that is pretty shit after analyzing it.
I have to look at those tendons,and see the horrible neck in the background along with the 'tahded teeth.
One can barely make out the neck in that image. All I see is a tiny bulge, but not enough for me to say it sucks.
AVPR for me.
yeah both avp and avpr necks are retarded long (and avpr's bulges like they've just ingested a small animal)
Yeah both have awkward looking feet.
I'm just basing my opinion on the cg versions of each, but the avpr aliens look larger and a little more menacing...add to that the ridges have always looked more aggressive (and the dome more mysterious).
But to be honest I"ll take any of the original alien movie designs over these two (except the resurrection raptors).
Quote from: DoomRulz on Apr 14, 2010, 11:45:18 PM
One can barely make out the neck in that image. All I see is a tiny bulge, but not enough for me to say it sucks.
An image makes the neck out of focus,doesn't change the fact that it's still there and shatty as ever.
But you're saying that because you've seen it at a different angle. If you were to show that image to someone else who hadn't, they may not say it's crap.
It's the only angle an AvP:Poo Alien looks passable at, cos the shittier aspects aren't visible.
Best thing about the angle is that it hides the teeth size pretty well.
What I don't get about the AvP:Poo Aliens is that when Zee Strauses said they wanted them to look like the CamerAliens, they didn't say to ADI - "This isn't what we ordered".
AvP Aliens are far superior in look.
I thought the AvP:R ones looked like something I could go and hire from a Halloween costume shop.
Quote from: SM on Apr 15, 2010, 06:25:42 AM
What I don't get about the AvP:Poo Aliens is that when Zee Strauses said they wanted them to look like the CamerAliens, they didn't say to ADI - "This isn't what we ordered".
I hear that. I still don't understand why they couldn't just make moulds of the original heads. Would've saved them time and money.
I'm going to have to go with AvP:R Aliens.
AvP Aliens were just a tired rehash of A:R Aliens...and I couldn't stand that look to begin with.
At least AvP:R tried something different.
Uh oh...
This will not end well.
Quote from: Sabres21768 on Apr 15, 2010, 04:58:41 PM
I'm going to have to go with AvP:R Aliens.
AvP Aliens were just a tired rehash of A:R Aliens...and I couldn't stand that look to begin with.
At least AvP:R tried something different.
Penis.Spoiler
Hurr
Quote from: Sabres21768 on Apr 15, 2010, 04:58:41 PM
At least AvP:R tried something different.
So even if 'different' is ostensibly
worse, it's better?
There's as much difference between the AvPR and AvP designs as there is between the AvP and AR designs. It's all the same shit.
Quote from: SiL on Apr 16, 2010, 01:24:39 AM
Quote from: Sabres21768 on Apr 15, 2010, 04:58:41 PM
At least AvP:R tried something different.
So even if 'different' is ostensibly worse, it's better?
There's as much difference between the AvPR and AvP designs as there is between the AvP and AR designs. It's all the same shit.
"Worse" in your opinion...not mine.
Yes...to me...it's a much better design than what was done in AvP.
I like the head design on the AvP:R Aliens much more than I ever liked the A:R/AvP design.
Do the massive, oversized necks, almost laughable overbite, and tendons so thin they may as well not be there, are improvements?
Quote from: Sabres21768 on Apr 15, 2010, 04:58:41 PM
I'm going to have to go with AvP:R Aliens.
AvP Aliens were just a tired rehash of A:R Aliens...and I couldn't stand that look to begin with.
At least AvP:R tried something different.
Yet failed miserably.
AVPR. I just like the way they tried to bring back the old Alien 2 design
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi40.tinypic.com%2Fr6wp6o.jpg&hash=4b661be85f0eabb0aa77ade6fef1edbacae76917)
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.worstpreviews.com%2Fimages%2Fposters%2Favp2%2Favp22_large.jpg&hash=15a715041cace27ab48e0ba6a42353b78b7a7cae)
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I would have loved to see instead the AvP aliens just with the Aliens head sticked into.
you know what? the dome is mostly fine.
what really bugs me the hell out of this design is the shoulders.
just horrible :(
Almost everything for me. It barely even looks like the eldritch abomination we had in the first film.
That Requiem one once again looks like it's trying to imitate Count Orlock.
Quote from: chupacabras acheronsis on Apr 16, 2010, 02:22:17 PM
you know what? the dome is mostly fine.
what really bugs me the hell out of this design is the shoulders.
just horrible :(
To me what makes those Aliens horrible are the teeth, bigger neck and the bigger arms.
Quote from: TJ Doc on Apr 16, 2010, 02:26:35 PM
That Requiem one once again looks like it's trying to imitate Count Orlock.
:D :D :D
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Apr 16, 2010, 01:58:31 PM
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http://www.worstpreviews.com/images/posters/avp2/avp22_large.jpg
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I would have loved to see instead the AvP aliens just with the Aliens head sticked into.
Goddamn. The already good Cameraliens look even more badass next to the AvPR Aliens.
It really shows how the head of the AvPR Alien is just as at fault as the body. The ridges on the head are a pointless divergence, the entire mouth and teeth aren't threatening at all. The chin is just silly.
The Cameraliens look like, well, Aliens. AvPR gave us comic book interpretations as live action.
Quote from: SiL on Apr 16, 2010, 08:32:04 AM
Do the massive, oversized necks, almost laughable overbite, and tendons so thin they may as well not be there, are improvements?
It's all just opinion dude.
Are they a Giger or Winston Alien?
Hell no.
But, I think the AvP:R design works better in the Aliens vs. Predator universe than the AvP/A:R design.
I like them, you don't.
Simple enough.
Quote from: Sabres21768 on Apr 16, 2010, 04:54:00 PM
It's all just opinion dude.
So the answer was 'Yes, I do think massive necks and overbites are an improvement'. :P
Could've sworn the Warriors had overbites, no?
Very slight ones, and not at all noticeable in the film. Nowhere near as pronounced and buck-tooth as the AvPR creatures.
I don't think it would have been as bad, had they had proper lips and not made the teeth seem as though they growing right out of them.
It would've. The problem was they just took the dome off and didn't bother to make the skull fit better. That void in the front is for the dome to fit in.
Quote from: SiL on Apr 16, 2010, 10:01:51 PM
Quote from: Sabres21768 on Apr 16, 2010, 04:54:00 PM
It's all just opinion dude.
So the answer was 'Yes, I do think massive necks and overbites are an improvement'. :P
Again, and I don't know how many times I need to type it for you, the AvP:R Aliens are a better design in my opinion.
Are you having a hard time understanding that, because I can try to type slower if it helps you?
Lighten up dude, the smiley face is there for a reason.
Quote from: SiL on Apr 17, 2010, 01:40:48 AM
Lighten up dude, the smiley face is there for a reason.
I know, but sometimes I don't think you know when to stop. :P
Why hello there, Mr. Pot.
Don't get smart, you two.
Hello "ignore" button. ;)
Quote from: Sabres21768 on Apr 16, 2010, 04:54:00 PM
But, I think the AvP:R design works better in the Aliens vs. Predator universe than the AvP/A:R design.
They're exactly the same design apart from the head changes. While I do like the ridges, to a degree, the mouth is horrendous. They look nice in some shots but the over-bite...oh God, the over-bite.
I don't get why this thread was reported, except for 'mr. pot' thing, or whatever, I don' see anything wrong, just a little of topicness.
My favourite is AVP, I don't like the mouth on the AVP:R aliens.
me neither.
at least yesterday was legitimate. i cant say i wasnt looking for trouble when i posted that. :P
Quote from: Sabres21768 on Apr 17, 2010, 07:59:27 AM
Hello "ignore" button. ;)
Pot calling the kettle black? No?
Way to overreact. ::)
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Apr 17, 2010, 12:24:53 PM
They look nice in some shots but the over-bite...oh God, the over-bite.
All they needed were overalls and a straw hat and the image would be complete.
They'd be just like those guys from Deliverance.
Fingers are way too fat to play the banjo, though.
I'm just picturing that right now. :D
I like them equally . I would say the requiem design is better , but it equals up with the help of grid