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I've always wanted to know what people think would make an Aliens vs Predator film perfect. It seems everyone has almost nothing positive to say about either AVP film, so I've just wanted to know what anyone would want in their perfect AVP film.

Aliens, Predators, Marines in the future in space.

Not guaranteed perfect; just guaranteed better.

1. Character depth
2. Slow building horror
3. Off world setting
4. Keep the creatures equal, and don't overuse them.
5. Decent lighting

You forgot egg-barfing.

Quote from: Local Trouble on Feb 16, 2019, 09:36:59 PM
You forgot egg-barfing.

Okay, but only because you want it.

I don't dislike the take that the preds have known about the Aliens for eons, but I think it might have been better if the Predator and Alien's first on screen feature had them being completely unfamiliar with each other.

So my setup would've been a small crew out in the boondocks encountering the Alien, the Alien starts killing people, the people send out a distress beacon intercepted by a Predator, the Predator is lured by the conflict onto the vessel.

From there the characters are picked off by either creature until they get the bright idea to lead them into a confrontation with each other so they can escape.


My other take would be a more familiar AvP2 (game) situation.  Research station on planet come into contact with Aliens, Marines move to interdict, conflict draws Predator.  I loved the world building of that game where LV 1201 was a harsh planet by earth standards with high salts in its waters, less air and severe storms but still supported a foodchain and had the mystery of what the space jockeys, predators, and aliens were all doing on the planet.  I often think when I do replay the game every couple of years that a story built on the backstory of that game might be even better.  Where WY struggled to establish a foothold on LV1201 and encountered a few major setbacks.  Just drop the Marines in favor of the mercs and corporate security, and throw the predators in early.

Quote from: Local Trouble on Feb 16, 2019, 09:36:59 PM
You forgot egg-barfing.

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Quote from: Kimarhi on Feb 16, 2019, 10:13:32 PM
My other take would be a more familiar AvP2 (game) situation.  Research station on planet come into contact with Aliens, Marines move to interdict, conflict draws Predator.  I loved the world building of that game where LV 1201 was a harsh planet by earth standards with high salts in its waters, less air and severe storms but still supported a foodchain and had the mystery of what the space jockeys, predators, and aliens were all doing on the planet.  I often think when I do replay the game every couple of years that a story built on the backstory of that game might be even better.  Where WY struggled to establish a foothold on LV1201 and encountered a few major setbacks.  Just drop the Marines in favor of the mercs and corporate security, and through the predators in early.

THIS! Currently replaying AVP2. It is the ALIEN/PREDATOR equivalent of the AVP concept IMHO.

I wanted to see more Colonial Marines, I thought it was idiotic to involve the Aliens in our history instead of the future, only the Predator should hail back that long.

If it was my call the film would of opened with two full sections of Colonial Marines assisting WY mercs in cleaning up a colony that was overrun by xenos, and then taking xenos on ice/stasis whatever up to the Marine ship for transport. The WY mercs indifferent to it all while the Marines uncomfortable to say the least. All the while a Predator has been watching the clean up and considers this lot worthy of hunting, thus follows them up to their Marine ship and proceeds to systematically take them out.

The Marines catch on quick, try to lock it down in areas of the ship and use sentry guns and other weapons etc, it would lead to a freak ambush as the predator, realising his being closed in, attempts to force his way through a squad causing heaps of damage leading to some xenos getting loose. Since the Xenos are fewer in number they behave more like the original film, just picking their moments and only attacking in numbers if they had to.

I would have this sub plot of a Marine sharp-shooter/sniper trying to kill the Predator, game of cat and mouse on the walkways and overhead stuff/air ducts while trying to avoid the aliens, (that is due to my memories playing as a Marine sniper on the Verloc map in AVP2 against a friend who was a predator lol). The WY mercs and Marines try to work together, WY guys want to try catch the xenos, so different approaches/tactics.

No idea how it would wrap up though, would avoid the typical blow the ship event and instead have another ship of Marines arrive to see the aftermath and secure the ship at the end of the film. I would of been happy with something like that, just straight up action, tense moments, jump scares and the plot existing only to keep all that together, not trying to establish more lore or other rubbish,

FIRST THOUGHTS

NO Space Marines, for a start. Marines are used in like half of the extended universe, and that's an uniquely bad idea - even in the Cameron where they were slaughtered relatively quickly, their training and efficient weapons were diminishing the pressure. They should have stayed in AlienS.

I'd re-use the classical 90s comic book and screenplay ideas that the Predator want to harvest eggs and plant them on various planets for good sports, but I'd twist it: rather than a current practice, it would be an IMPOSSIBLE PROJECT for them. The main idea of the Alien series is that the Alien threat cannot be contained; therefore Predators would be unable to contain it. The menace should be rare, too...

Working with this idea, I'd split Predators into three factions:
1 - The Keepers of tradition. The tradition being to eliminate any possible Alien organism and to nuke every work possibly containing an Alien organism. The Predator species met the Alien before, it is the stuff of legend, and now the tradition is to play "better safe than sorry". By the time the story happens, they haven't met an Alien in millenia, but they still take precautionary measures.
2 - The Young and Reckless. An illegal faction in Predator culture, they want to harvest the Alien and to put it on various worlds for good sport. They hide their opinion and work in secret.
3 - The Recursive Rebellion. An even more secret faction inside the Y&R, they realize how dangerous the Alien is and want to sabotage the Y&R.

I'd also add Engineers as a dead species and Perols [random name for random extraterrestrial culture) as another dead species.

And finally I'd decide the Predators are not a culture focused on hunting. This is to me an uniquely stupid idea of the extended universe and late sequels to make them a species of hunters. Just because the guys we met in Predator 2 loved to hunt doesn't mean every Predator does. This is some Planet of Hats (https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/PlanetOfHats) nonsense. If the Predator have to be a culture developed around a particular thing (I do not define it in the following notes), let it be at least another thing, so it enriches the setting instead of impoverishing it.
I'd also make the Predators a very arrogant species - to them they're the only "Real People", other species are just animals, sometimes "sentient animals", but animals. They see humans, Perols and even Engineers the way we see ravens, dolphins or monkeys: funny, possibly interesting, but not people.

With that in mind, let's start.




ALIEN VS PREDATOR: THE QUEST

When the story starts, the Predator learn humanity has made contact with Aliens (at a point in time still to be determined - we'd have to choose which Alien movies are considered canon in the proposed continuity first). Therefore, following the Keeper philosophy, they decide to exterminate the human species and to nuke human worlds.

While the Predator military prepares a plan of action (including a simultaneous surprise bombing of Earth and all of the main human colonies), the Predator politicians fight over the decision ; the Hunting Guild, particularly, is defending the humans on the grounds of human beings being very stimulating game.

- It's hard to find sentient species which developed space travel, argues Big Tusk, leader of the Hunting Guilds. The only other ones we met were the Perols, and it finished exactly like this, they stumbled over Aliens and you chose to exterminate the whole species. It was like 15 000 years ago. And the Engineers disappeared millions of years ago, before we the Real People even came to exist. Pity, though. They'd have been good game.
- What's your point, Big Tusk?
- If we get rid of the humans, how long before we find another game of this caliber? Not to mention there may be no other one, ever.
- Oh, come on.
- I know non-hunters will be indifferent to this, but I'll tell you how it was some millenias ago. Before we met the human game. Amongst we hunters, not a day was passing without some people missing the long-gone Perols. Everyone sang songs of Perol hunts! Sometimes hunters cried at night, knowing they'll never get the chance to go for such a kill.
- Now you're just writing me a holocomedy.
- When we discovered humans, our life changed. Finally hunt was making sense once again! It was a honour to hunt them of course, we had to carefully select the chosen ones to go to their homeworld, and we had unique experiences. Some of the game even survived the hunt, do you realize? And you want to deprive us of this, of this unique, magnificent challenge? Over my dead body!
- Okay, Big Tusk, your arguments have been heard. This lodge will now deliberate.
But before the next debates, Big Tusk already knew he had lost. He would never manage to convince enough people; the traditional Keeper philosophy was too strongly implemented. He would have to contact the Y&R.

(to be continued)

Quote from: Huggs on Feb 16, 2019, 09:31:48 PM
1. Character depth
2. Slow building horror
3. Off world setting
4. Keep the creatures equal, and don't overuse them.
5. Decent lighting

Well that last one is obviously a good bash out on the lighting in AVPR which was really bad.

Quote from: Oasis Nadrama on Feb 17, 2019, 10:24:23 AM
FIRST THOUGHTS

NO Space Marines, for a start. Marines are used in like half of the extended universe, and that's an uniquely bad idea - even in the Cameron where they were slaughtered relatively quickly, their training and efficient weapons were diminishing the pressure. They should have stayed in AlienS.

You're probably the first person I know to not want Marines as the characters. Also I've always kind of felt that's what made the Predators a unique creature was their hunt culture. I've always felt it was a system of honor and if broken a predator would be outcasted hence why we have different tribes. Which I guess kind of leads into your idea that not every predator hunts, and for all we know there might even be a rebellious predator clan that feels that because of unfair advantages there is no honor in their hunts (Unsure if that's already a thing).

Marines are still immensely popular, as are the AvP games - all of which have marines.  Having them in a future film is the simplest way to get bums on seats.

Quote from: SM on Feb 18, 2019, 07:24:20 PM
Marines are still immensely popular, as are the AvP games - all of which have marines.  Having them in a future film is the simplest way to get bums on seats.

Pretty much my thoughts. Also I'm not sure what kind of group would be in this situation anyway besides the normal colonists that just wouldn't survive for that long as shown to us in Aliens. Maybe Weyland mercs?

I'd prefer an offworld colony. Well armed marines turn it into an action movie. I'd rather see what reasonably armed civilians with good ingenuity can do first. Adds more horror, I say.

Aliens and Predator are both arguably the most popular of the series and both are, by and large, action movies.

SM would make a good studio exec.

Quote from: SM on Feb 18, 2019, 11:26:36 PM
Aliens and Predator are both arguably the most popular of the series and both are, by and large, action movies.

Nah, Aliens is just 1 fish in the pond. Alien is a horror vehicle. Aliens was fun, but way off course. Isolation got it right. I'd rather see these characters packing flamethrowers, personal sidearms, and and a decent amount of intelligence.

I'm not talking about what I'd rather see.

Quote from: SM on Feb 18, 2019, 11:33:52 PM
I'm not talking about what I'd rather see.

A match is lit in a darkened room, as two eyes stare at you through the flame.

"What is it, you'd rather see, SM?"

Quote from: Huggs on Feb 18, 2019, 11:32:30 PM
Aliens was fun, but way off course.

The build up to the Aliens attacking Operations is probably the most tense sequence in the entire franchise. Action and horror don't cancel each other out. Hell, Dog Soldiers is another good example of a tense, scary flick that uses soldiers.

I think Dallas in the vents is probably the most tense and fear inducing piece in the franchise. The music, the dialogue,  Everything was just top notch there. It still scares the hell out of me.

Cameron took that scene, tracker, confusion and all, and dialled it up to 11.

Quote from: SM on Feb 19, 2019, 01:08:22 AM
Cameron took the tracker trope from that scene and dialled it up to 11.

How so?

Alien closing in, they can see it on the tracker, but everyone's asking 'where is it?'

And it's used more often.

Indeed.

Never use a good idea once when you can use it four times.  Five even.

"Popular" does not mean "good" or "respectful". The idea is a "perfect Alien vs Predator film".

If you asked me to write you a popular and successful Alien VS Predator movie, my proposition would be very different, and would probably include Marines and action.

Or I would simply recycle the comic book series, like the 1991 screenplay did. Works well enough if what we're aiming for is simply fanservice and efficiency.

Quote"Popular" does not mean "good" or "respectful".

Neither do they have to be mutually exclusive.

I agree.

However, personally I think Space Marines and too much action are detrimental to a quality Alien story. I respect the opinion of people who don't think so, sure, but the idea of such a thread is to see what every member's personal take on a good AVP movie would be, right?

Well my personal take on a good AVP movie would be as hard-SF as possible, realistic, political, maybe slightly satirical to some extent (but subtly!), which mythological overtones, and definitely without Marines, and with limited action.

Which wouldn't mean no action at all - to me good action is tasteful but I envision it as a natural extension of the story's thematics and characters. Like, watch Evangelion or Madoka. See how all of the action scenes are necessary and directly answer both the characters and thematics.

2h 30m run time.
Harsh Jungle Planet with a Weyland-Yutani mining/research facility and colony.
Introduce colony and an important character similiar to Aliens Extended Cut but show a lot more of the downfall.
Hunting party of 3 Predators.
Hive in facility (presence of Praetorians).
Marines are sent in.
Slow burn moments of Marines being stalked by Predators in Jungle and lone Xenomorphs in colony corridors but really amp up the action towards the second half of the film (Swarms of Xenos vs Marines vs Predators).
Final struggle with Predalien.

Quote from: Frosty Venom on Feb 19, 2019, 04:09:14 AM
2h 30m run time.
Harsh Jungle Planet with a Weyland-Yutani mining/research facility and colony.
Introduce colony and an important character similiar to Aliens Extended Cut but show a lot more of the downfall.
Hunting party of 3 Predators.
Hive in facility (presence of Praetorians).
Marines are sent in.
Slow burn moments of Marines being stalked by Predators in Jungle and lone Xenomorphs in colony corridors but really amp up the action towards the second half of the film (Swarms of Xenos vs Marines vs Predators).
Final struggle with Predalien.

Sounds like rebellions avp3.

Quote from: Frosty Venom on Feb 19, 2019, 04:09:14 AM
2h 30m run time.
Harsh Jungle Planet with a Weyland-Yutani mining/research facility and colony.
Introduce colony and an important character similiar to Aliens Extended Cut but show a lot more of the downfall.
Hunting party of 3 Predators.
Hive in facility (presence of Praetorians).
Marines are sent in.
Slow burn moments of Marines being stalked by Predators in Jungle and lone Xenomorphs in colony corridors but really amp up the action towards the second half of the film (Swarms of Xenos vs Marines vs Predators).
Final struggle with Predalien.

Sounds a bit uneven.  You have the downfall of a colony, so you need to establish a bunch of characters, then once they're all dead, you need to establish all new characters.

Yeah AVP 2010 nailed everything aesthetically in my opinion.

@SM Aliens Extended cut does the exact same thing no? I'm talking about that amount of time spended establishing the colony and one survivor character, just showing a bit more action.

It doesn't. It doesn't show the downfall of the colony, which is an important distinction. If it did, the pacing would be uneven. All of the action is left for the second half of the film; the first half is build and slow-burn.

Quote from: Huggs on Feb 19, 2019, 01:06:54 AM
I think Dallas in the vents is probably the most tense and fear inducing piece in the franchise. The music, the dialogue,  Everything was just top notch there. It still scares the hell out of me.

Even if we put Dallas at number one, Operations is an easy number of two.

And Aliens is a much more frightening film than Alien3, but everyone loves acting like Aliens ruined the vibe.

Quote from: Frosty Venom on Feb 19, 2019, 04:27:06 AM
Yeah AVP 2010 nailed everything aesthetically in my opinion.

@SM Aliens Extended cut does the exact same thing no? I'm talking about that amount of time spended establishing the colony and one survivor character, just showing a bit more action.

As SiL said, not really.  We have one scene with one survivor Newt.  In your scenario it seems we need to set up Simpson, Lydecker, Russ, Anne, Tim and maybe some other characters too - then kill them off.  If this happens by the halfway mark, you then need to start again with the marines.

If you look at Aliens SE we're doing the knife trick by the 30 minute mark and so already setting up the marines (having already introduced Ripley, Burke and Gorman).  We spend the next 40 minutes spending more time with them as well as dialling up the tension before the hive ambush.

To be fair, I thought Friday the 13th did "kill all of the characters in the first act and start again" surprisingly well, but slasher movies have veeeery low standards to meet for "giving a shit about characters". I don't think it'd work with A/P.

Quote from: SiL on Feb 19, 2019, 04:37:02 AM
It doesn't. It doesn't show the downfall of the colony, which is an important distinction. If it did, the pacing would be uneven. All of the action is left for the second half of the film; the first half is build and slow-burn.

Quote from: Huggs on Feb 19, 2019, 01:06:54 AM
I think Dallas in the vents is probably the most tense and fear inducing piece in the franchise. The music, the dialogue,  Everything was just top notch there. It still scares the hell out of me.

Even if we put Dallas at number one, Operations is an easy number of two.

And Aliens is a much more frightening film than Alien3, but everyone loves acting like Aliens ruined the vibe.

I see what you're saying. Operations was scary for a more action heavy movie. I'd still put Dallas at #1 be cause it doesn't end in action, it's extreme tension that ends in one of the most frightening scares in the franchise.

As for alien 3, what works for me most there is not any sort of action or fear, but the ambience of the thing. It's the music and environment and the nihilistic subject matter. It's much more internal than the other films. Which is why I think the trilogy is so well balanced.

Quote from: SiL on Feb 19, 2019, 04:45:14 AM
To be fair, I thought Friday the 13th did "kill all of the characters in the first act and start again" surprisingly well, but slasher movies have veeeery low standards to meet for "giving a shit about characters". I don't think it'd work with A/P.

Hasn't stopped them before...

Well now I need to write a script where we start with a colony going down and build from there just to see if it works.

AVP Idea:

Quote from: The Old One on Sep 23, 2018, 10:32:56 PM
Similar scenario to the original Alien and Predator-
Only our team doesn't realise it's being picked off by two creatures rather than the one.

On the Alien's fear quality.

Aliens is tense, not frightening. The idea it "ruined the vibrations" is a misrepresentation though:

Quote from: The Old One on Sep 24, 2018, 06:10:40 PM
It's down to people's perspective on what "Aliens' is rather than what happens onscreen, influencing the EU media.
For instance, only a minor number of Aliens die onscreen because of the Colonial Marines.
But people assume more do, because so much is left to the imagination.

Alien³'s quality is ambience + soundtrack.

Quote from: The Old One on Feb 19, 2019, 05:10:52 AM
Aliens is tense, not frightening.

Scared the f**k out of me as a kid just as much as Alien did.

Not in a I'm-so-tough, kinda way- but I can't recall any of them frightening me as a kid. Alien unsettled me, I believe...
I don't completely remember. I do remember, I just found Alien fascinating, more than any other film or entry in the series.

I remember asking my Dad, if it was going to be "-one of those stupid looking bobblehead aliens." 
And he just replied; "No."

I wish I could remember more.

Quote from: SiL on Feb 19, 2019, 05:23:53 AM

Quote from: The Old One on Feb 19, 2019, 05:10:52 AM
Aliens is tense, not frightening.

Scared the f**k out of me as a kid just as much as Alien did.

I don't recall being scared watching Aliens - and I avoided horror movies like the plague when I was young; some covers in the video shop scared me.

But despite not being scared watching the movie, I distinctly recall being half asleep and too scared to move one night because there was a facehugger under the bed.

And that was just last weekend.

I did ask my dad to rewind the chestbursting to watch it again, but by the time we got to Ripley running around the ship I was disappearing into my seat.

Same with the Operations attack.

I watched them all alone. My folks didn't approve of violent movies or games, so it was tough to get good entertainment. But my old man let it slide when I said I saw one on tv. He just said, "I'll just say this, those movies will scare you to death". It was a general comment, and dad didn't spook easy, so I took it seriously.

First one I saw was aliens. Cut to hell because it was on tv, but not cut enough. Then I bought directors cut copies of alien and aliens on vhs. Alien scared me much more. I was hooked. Then I saw alien 3 on tv, and I could never get a hold of a copy until I finally got the quadrilogy on DVD. Thus that love affair began.

I rarely find myself worried about aliens in the dark though. Alien is like my woobie. I find comfort in the beast. Except for isolation, that thing still scares me.

Isolation actually annoyed me more than anything. There's only so many times you can get stuck in the one place having your face eaten off and it stays scary.

Alien Isolation is annoying without the untethered Alien modification, then it's a perfect organism.

I just stay on the move. Even when I can hear it, I just never stop. So I don't have to use any items and it can never learn anything. Scary as hell playing that way, but effective.

I prefer the modification, why?

Going missions without seeing the Alien if you're careful is so rewarding, and improves the pacing immensely- plus when it finally arrives, it's all the more tense.

That's why I like to keep moving. It never learns anything from me, so it's off looking for signs in other areas and rarely gets near me.

Quote from: The Old One on Feb 19, 2019, 07:08:00 AM
I prefer the modification, why?

Going missions without seeing the Alien if you're careful is so rewarding, and improves the pacing immensely- plus when it finally arrives, it's all the more tense.

That sounds better.

Quote from: Huggs on Feb 19, 2019, 07:02:44 AM
I just stay on the move. Even when I can hear it, I just never stop.

That did not work for me, I can tell you. Especially during sections where it drops the Alien right on you.

Quote from: The Old One on Jan 27, 2019, 07:41:38 PM
Unpredictable Alien
https://www.moddb.com/mods/unpredictable-alien-mod

Realistic Weapon
https://tinyurl.com/Realistic-Weapon

No Lensflare
https://tinyurl.com/No-Lensflare

Arcade Cabinet
https://tinyurl.com/Arcade-Cabinet

Exit Option
https://tinyurl.com/Exit-Option

Now let me download these onto my XBox 360... :P

LOL

I played it there first myself, the X360 barely can play it from what I recall. Needless to say, on PC with a larger FOV and these mods- it was a much improved experience.

Quote from: SiL on Feb 19, 2019, 06:42:48 AM
Isolation actually annoyed me more than anything. There's only so many times you can get stuck in the one place having your face eaten off and it stays scary.

I give Isolation like a 9/10 for presentation.  To me it's the best representation of anything Alien related since Alien 3 in capturing the original trilogy feel.

But I despise the gameplay when the Alien is involved.

I found very early on that you could simply walk backward with the motion tracker out when the alien is around and pretty much just go through the levels backwards and be ok and it killed the immersion, BUT it beat standing around in the same space for minutes (which feel like hours in gamer time) doing jack shit but avoiding the Alien.

Overall I still give Isolation an 8/10.  If you could script the Alien encounters (which I see somebody appears to have done in a mod from reading these post.......but I have it on PS4) where it's presence was felt but not directly encountered I'd enjoy it much more.  Despite beating it on the hardest difficulty it had when it was first released I found the game much better to play on the ps4 after they updated it to include the superhardcore mode and the easy mode

The easy mode the Alien stays less and seems to not be as omnipresent, so I could actually enjoy the atmosphere and story much more.

No, not scripted. Definitely not.

All the unpredictable Alien modification does is cut the AI's tether to the player, so that instead of the Alien being told the general area the player is in- it's told nothing and has to genuinely search the entire loaded area.

Having a knack for knowing where the prey is and being able to ambush it is typical alien behavior. Look what happened to Dallas.

The tethering helps keep the alien right where i expect it, which is right on my ass.

I think you'll find, most of the community that adores Isolation on Steam and elsewhere will disagree. But you do you.

Yeah that little mod is hands down the only reason I got the game in the first place.

Because the Alien AI will only 'activate' additional abilities when you trigger them, if you play carefully and don't use tools and lockers, you can find yourself in situations where you are pinned in a room and in all probability the Alien 'should' realise where you are, but can't/won't because you haven't activated it's ability to search a locker yet. So the Bastard keeps patrolling back and forth but won't/can't do a proper search, and the horror factor drops to zero at that point.

But with the mod it isn't unnaturally forced to hang around, it will logically patrol and search based on what abilities it has, and it is very rewarding when you can evade it for great lengths of time, and much more horrifying when mid to late game when it DOES know where you are and when it actually HAS activated those abilities, then it really is on your ass and that is scary AF.

I had a real scare when I evaded the alien for some time, and I was casually walking through a very long hallway and suddenly right at the end of the hallway the door opened on it's own... and there it was. I was completely unprepared.. that damn thing was busy searching the other half of the map the whole time hhahahahahaha.

Awesome.  :)

I started with what I should not do:

Setting: not on Earth or modern times

History: Don't change it or intertwine it like how AVP did with the origin of Weyland or Predators with teaching humans how to build

Alien life cycle: Don't change the life cycle like with the Predalien's special ability to pump embryos or speed it up.

Human/Predator team up: Don't do it, people like Predators has villains.

Quote from: Number13 on Apr 26, 2019, 09:40:34 PM
Don't do it.

:P

Spoiler

Only joking.  ;D

[close]

Quote from: Number13 on Apr 26, 2019, 09:40:33 PM
Human/Predator team up: Don't do it, people like Predators has villains.

Eh, I'd say that's debatable! It's a hot topic, and for sure there are people who like preds strictly as antagonists and nothing more, but I feel like I see just as many people who don't mind a well-handled team-up (I don't think I've ever seen anyone complain about the dynamic between Machiko and Dachande.)

I thought it worked well with Ahab and Galgo too, which is more of the direction that I'd like to see a team-up go if there was one in the future.  There was acknowledgement on both sides of the other's usefulness, with a minimum amount of "bonding" between the two (if it even was that).  No lengthy two-way conversations, no introspection on the part of the Predator - it was pretty straightforward and kept all of the character growth and self-examination on Galgo's side, while Ahab maintained his mystery.  It was well executed, IMO.

Granted, I don't mind team-ups.  I waffle back and forth between how appropriate they are for the franchise, but at the end of the day I think it more has to do with how people perceive the Predator's role in the franchise - fully antagonistic or with room for something more?  I tend to prefer the latter, but I understand why some people would prefer the former, especially with regards to the "original intent".

Quote from: Wysps on May 05, 2019, 03:33:55 PM
at the end of the day I think it more has to do with how people perceive the Predator's role in the franchise - fully antagonistic or with room for something more?  I tend to prefer the latter, but I understand why some people would prefer the former, especially with regards to the "original intent".

Yes, I do think your perspective on that depends on what it is about this franchise you enjoy. If you're here primarily for the action, gore, and suspense of humans being hunted by a mysterious alien force, a team-up (or other things that get debated often like deeper insights into predator culture and personality, seeing the homeworld, etc,) understandably isn't going to do much for you. But personally, I feel there are only so many "soldiers/cops/colonial marines fighting a predator" type storylines you can do before it gets stale and wider audiences lose interest, and there are ways to maintain the mystery, threat, and "alien-ness" of the predator while still exploring a little more than we've seen before and not keeping them strictly in the "monster" box.

No humanity, for a true "other" E.T.

While I agree that they definitely don't belong in the human box, they don't belong in the monster box either.  That sort of implies that they're just aimless, destructive beings with no real goal or reasoning behind their actions (like other "monster movies").  They are intelligent life forms (both Aliens and Predators), the Predators especially with a high form of self awareness and complex civilization.  Yeah sure, if you see them as "monsters" that will limit their scope and arbitrarily self-confine them into a certain narrative.  Properly, they're "aliens" - they're allowed to operate as individuals, with their own codes, regardless of how well or not they match up to humans.  This opens them up to do more, rather than being confined to mindless hack and slash, which we've already been shown they are not through their hunting culture/independent decision-making/etc.  The possibility is already there.  If the franchise wants to go that direction, great!  They have a basis for it.  If they don't, that's cool too, cause they have a basis for it also.

Quote from: Wysps on May 07, 2019, 11:39:45 AM
While I agree that they definitely don't belong in the human box, they don't belong in the monster box either.  That sort of implies that they're just aimless, destructive beings with no real goal or reasoning behind their actions (like other "monster movies").  They are intelligent life forms (both Aliens and Predators), the Predators especially with a high form of self awareness and complex civilization.  Yeah sure, if you see them as "monsters" that will limit their scope and arbitrarily self-confine them into a certain narrative.  Properly, they're "aliens" - they're allowed to operate as individuals, with their own codes, regardless of how well or not they match up to humans.  This opens them up to do more, rather than being confined to mindless hack and slash, which we've already been shown they are not through their hunting culture/independent decision-making/etc.  The possibility is already there.  If the franchise wants to go that direction, great!  They have a basis for it.  If they don't, that's cool too, cause they have a basis for it also.

Nicely said!  :)

One that doesn't involve Paul W.S. Anderson or the Strauss Brothers ;D

What about one that features the Alien chickens from the Red script?

QuoteI thought it worked well with Ahab and Galgo too, which is more of the direction that I'd like to see a team-up go if there was one in the future.  There was acknowledgement on both sides of the other's usefulness, with a minimum amount of "bonding" between the two (if it even was that).  No lengthy two-way conversations, no introspection on the part of the Predator - it was pretty straightforward and kept all of the character growth and self-examination on Galgo's side, while Ahab maintained his mystery.  It was well executed, IMO.

They could bond over their shared need to kill people for their own selfish purposes.  :)

Isn't that kind of what was going on when they were comparing and contrasting their battle scars around the campfire?  :laugh: They can also contemplate the efficacy of their killing tools, harmoniously.

To be fair to the original AvP comic, Machiko and Broken Tusk didn't exactly bond over long periods of expository dialogue either. 

AVP will never work on film, mark my words.

Quote from: Erik Lehnsherr on May 23, 2019, 05:38:24 AM
AVP will never work on film, mark my words.

Nah, as with Alien or Predator it starts with a good script. But that has been a mountain unclimbed as of late.

I'd make a story based on a simulation.

Quote from: Shinawi on May 27, 2019, 02:28:35 PM
I'd make a story based on a simulation.

Can you elaborate?

Quote from: Voodoo Magic on May 27, 2019, 01:50:09 PM

Quote from: Erik Lehnsherr on May 23, 2019, 05:38:24 AM
AVP will never work on film, mark my words.

Nah, as with Alien or Predator it starts with a good script. But that has been a mountain unclimbed as of late.

And a decent sized budget to handle all the special effects needed to make it fit in space (if they decide to go with the comics, which I think is preferable tbh.)  But yes, a good script is a perfect starting point.

What if it starts like an Alien script but from the perspective of WY and its colonists? Kind of like Aliens but its a "controlled" Hadleys Hope outbreak and things go wrong when WY finds out another XT is on site.
What if the company during one of their weapons tests drops the Alien on a world already inhabited by Predators. Say it was a Predator hunting ground that a colony was established on. WY not knowing of the Predators drops the Alien, and the Predators take advantage of the carnage. Meanwhile WY monitors in orbit and the movie plays out via some very confused colonists.

I especially like the idea of seeing a situation like Alien: Isolation and have those tactics go horribly wrong on a Predator (for a lack of knowing any better) or hiding in a locker. Like seeing the Alien move past only it to gets killed and now have to worry about the Predator and the noise it caused attracting more Alien.

What would be even better if it was not even called AVP and everything about it made it look like an Aliens movie. Then it becomes a surprise when this other XT shows up. Never denying another creature is in the movie, but surprising people with a great reveal would be worth it especially if it can be kept quiet during its run.

Mhm, neat idea.
But they'd never do it.

Quote from: SuperiorIronman on May 27, 2019, 04:11:13 PM
What if it starts like an Alien script but from the perspective of WY and its colonists? Kind of like Aliens but its a "controlled" Hadleys Hope outbreak and things go wrong when WY finds out another XT is on site.
What if the company during one of their weapons tests drops the Alien on a world already inhabited by Predators. Say it was a Predator hunting ground that a colony was established on. WY not knowing of the Predators drops the Alien, and the Predators take advantage of the carnage. Meanwhile WY monitors in orbit and the movie plays out via some very confused colonists.

I especially like the idea of seeing a situation like Alien: Isolation and have those tactics go horribly wrong on a Predator (for a lack of knowing any better) or hiding in a locker. Like seeing the Alien move past only it to gets killed and now have to worry about the Predator and the noise it caused attracting more Alien.

What would be even better if it was not even called AVP and everything about it made it look like an Aliens movie. Then it becomes a surprise when this other XT shows up. Never denying another creature is in the movie, but surprising people with a great reveal would be worth it especially if it can be kept quiet during its run.

Some good stuff!

Although perhaps it's a doable idea, after-all Marvel trailers lie all the time and perhaps the studio retroactively alters the title, adding AVP subtitle/header for home video.

A lot of work for a gamble.

Quote from: Erik Lehnsherr on May 23, 2019, 05:38:24 AM
AVP will never work on film, mark my words.

I don't hear you la-la-la-la!

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There's one territory that AvP hasn't yet tread: Animation. While the movies haven't been the greatest, I feel an animated series about the conflict would be much more flexible endeavor. Hell, you can easily adapt the first comic book through it.

Going further down the rabbit hole, they can make CGI movies like the Resident Evil ones. Noting how those flicks are composed of pure fanservice as a response to how the Paul Anderson ones have violated the RE name worse than any Xenomorph strain could.

Quote from: Monster Man on Jun 02, 2019, 03:18:48 AM
There's one territory that AvP hasn't yet tread: Animation. While the movies haven't been the greatest, I feel an animated series about the conflict would be much more flexible endeavor. Hell, you can easily adapt the first comic book through it.

Going further down the rabbit hole, they can make CGI movies like the Resident Evil ones. Noting how those flicks are composed of pure fanservice as a response to how the Paul Anderson ones have violated the RE name worse than any Xenomorph strain could.

I am all for the animated films. Alien, vs, Predator, I'm good for any. I think the quality of animation is fantastic. Especially after Love.Death.Robots. I'm really jonsing for one.

This is how I did mine. Bear in mind I'm not a good animator, this is just a trailer I did in my spare time that I hope to animate when I finish my Aliens deboot trilogy and my Predator trilogy first. Also I didn't have access to voices at the time, so I had to make it silent. I had fun with it and hope I get around to making it someday. Right now my priority is my Aliens deboot trilogy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BgwHyM4aFZ0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BgwHyM4aFZ0)

Hey cool!  The Edge in an Alien flick!

Quote from: Number13 on Jun 02, 2019, 11:24:58 PM
This is how I did mine. Bear in mind I'm not a good animator, this is just a trailer I did in my spare time that I hope to animate when I finish my Aliens deboot trilogy and my Predator trilogy first. Also I didn't have access to voices at the time, so I had to make it silent. I had fun with it and hope I get around to making it someday. Right now my priority is my Aliens deboot trilogy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BgwHyM4aFZ0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BgwHyM4aFZ0)

I was so off guard when You're Going Down started playing.  ;D

I've been busy writing an unofficial AVP3 screenplay and hope Fox can atleast CONSIDER it. The film will be titled "AVP3: THE REPLICANT SYNDICATE" which will serve three purposes only:

1)To clear all the timeline plotholes and clear out that everything is canon if its from Fox
2)To end the 40 year+ series with a bang
3)the last but not the least: Pure. Fan. Satisfaction: the last two AVP movies divided the fans. Lets reverse that. The film will act as sequel to AVP2 as well as Resurection, Predator, Predator 2, Predators, Covenant, The Predator and, wait for it... Blade Runner 2049.


I'll share other info e.g. characters If interested hopefully soon, I'll post the chapter 1 of the screenplay here if people really do want it😐

Note: IM NOT WHATSOEVER WRITING THE SCREENPLAY ON BEHALF OF TWENTIETH CENTURY FOX OR ANYONE OR ANYTHING ASSOCIATED WITH THEM. IM JUST A FAN WHO WANTS AN AVP SEQUEL LIKE THE ONE IM WRITING.

Are there timeline plotholes in the AvP series?

I think he means like the Alien skull in Predator 2 if xenomorphs weren't created until the 2100's. I love that idea of everything is canon but just like in the case of Godzilla I feel that would be impossible, way too many problems with all the timelines, I'll also come out and say that I don't like Blade Runner being cannon, I know what Ridley has said, but if I recall he's said many other things in the past that mess with the timeline as well.

Quote from: Predwars24 on Jun 17, 2019, 02:00:11 PMI'll also come out and say that I don't like Blade Runner being cannon, I know what Ridley has said, but if I recall he's said many other things in the past that mess with the timeline as well.

What about Predator being in canon with Commando and Die Hard via the Val Verde-verse? How can you not love that?  ;D

I prefer not to follow the films that are no good, no offense to those who like ALL the movies. I mean, I like the AVP movies, but they have a lot of flaws and I wanted to do my own stories, clean house, start all over. Mostly because a lot of people don't like the original AVP movies, so I'm fine with sending them down the river. Again, no offense to all those who like all the movies, but I feel no compunction to follow the movies that I don't think are good, like Alien3, Alien Resurrection, AVP, AVPR, and The Predator.

Those who have a problem with that, just be thankful I'm not in charge of the Alien, Predator, and AVP franchise.

Quote from: Predwars24 on Jun 17, 2019, 02:00:11 PM
I think he means like the Alien skull in Predator 2 if xenomorphs weren't created until the 2100's. I love that idea of everything is canon but just like in the case of Godzilla I feel that would be impossible, way too many problems with all the timelines, I'll also come out and say that I don't like Blade Runner being cannon, I know what Ridley has said, but if I recall he's said many other things in the past that mess with the timeline as well.

Blade Runner isn't canon with anything other than Blade Runner.

Predator can fit with the history depicted in AvP (reinforced in The Predator).  Just not the history depicted in Alien.

Quote from: Number13 on Jun 18, 2019, 12:10:12 AM
I prefer not to follow the films that are no good, no offense to those who like ALL the movies. I mean, I like the AVP movies, but they have a lot of flaws and I wanted to do my own stories, clean house, start all over. Mostly because a lot of people don't like the original AVP movies, so I'm fine with sending them down the river. Again, no offense to all those who like all the movies, but I feel no compunction to follow the movies that I don't think are good, like Alien3, Alien Resurrection, AVP, AVPR, and The Predator.

No one can fault you for that brother.

Quote from: SM on Jun 18, 2019, 12:47:22 AM

Quote from: Predwars24 on Jun 17, 2019, 02:00:11 PM
I think he means like the Alien skull in Predator 2 if xenomorphs weren't created until the 2100's. I love that idea of everything is canon but just like in the case of Godzilla I feel that would be impossible, way too many problems with all the timelines, I'll also come out and say that I don't like Blade Runner being cannon, I know what Ridley has said, but if I recall he's said many other things in the past that mess with the timeline as well.

Blade Runner isn't canon with anything other than Blade Runner.

Predator can fit with the history depicted in AvP (reinforced in The Predator).  Just not the history depicted in Alien.

Unless, of course, you want it to.

Of course you can come up with whatever head canon suits your fancy.

However we know Fox considers some things canon and others not, at least regarding the respective properties of Alien, Predator, and AvP.

The best course of action in any situation like this is to just work extra hard to avoid another canon war in whichever thread a canon skirmish erupts.

The canon wars these days usually come when someone says

Quote from: Predwars24 on Jun 17, 2019, 02:00:11 PM
I love that idea of everything is canon

followed by someone indicating what isn't.

Unless we're discussing official canon, live and let live. Cheers! :)

I mean he's not the only one, I tried to make all the Terminator movies in one continuity including Genisys since that one ignored Rise and Salvation, and I think that was my mistake in my Terminator finale was trying to put them all together and have it make sense, I thought it was easier since Terminator involves time travel, but I think my mistake was trying incorporate homages from all the movies, I think I went too far. I also tried to make the same thing with the Halloween movies, since there's two different continuities in that series, I tried to combine them, I even tried to combine Halloween 3: Season of the Witch (the one that doesn't have Michael Myers), don't ask why. But I think the new Halloween movie kinda stole my thunder since I couldn't combine that movie with the other ones since it ignored all the sequels, and it's happening again with the new Terminator movie since it ignores all the sequels except T2 like Genisys did.

So yeah, some people wanna follow the continuities of all the movies, some feel no compunction to follow the ones they don't like. I go either way, depends on the franchise. But I think my Terminator story suffered a little bit because I tried to work Genisys into the story, because I started it before Genisys came out.

I always found the Terminator franchise the easiest to include every film in canon because of the multiple timelines. Basically everytime there was time travel it created a new timeline. The only issue I took with it is the first film operated on different time travel theory than its four sequels.

Quote from: SM on Jun 18, 2019, 12:47:22 AM

Quote from: Predwars24 on Jun 17, 2019, 02:00:11 PM
I think he means like the Alien skull in Predator 2 if xenomorphs weren't created until the 2100's. I love that idea of everything is canon but just like in the case of Godzilla I feel that would be impossible, way too many problems with all the timelines, I'll also come out and say that I don't like Blade Runner being cannon, I know what Ridley has said, but if I recall he's said many other things in the past that mess with the timeline as well.

Blade Runner isn't canon with anything other than Blade Runner.

Predator can fit with the history depicted in AvP (reinforced in The Predator).  Just not the history depicted in Alien.

Didn't Ridley say something about Blade Runner being Canon to Alien or did I get that confused somewhere?

Quote from: Number13 on Jun 18, 2019, 04:41:41 AM
I mean he's not the only one, I tried to make all the Terminator movies in one continuity including Genisys since that one ignored Rise and Salvation, and I think that was my mistake in my Terminator finale was trying to put them all together and have it make sense, I thought it was easier since Terminator involves time travel, but I think my mistake was trying incorporate homages from all the movies, I think I went too far. I also tried to make the same thing with the Halloween movies, since there's two different continuities in that series, I tried to combine them, I even tried to combine Halloween 3: Season of the Witch (the one that doesn't have Michael Myers), don't ask why. But I think the new Halloween movie kinda stole my thunder since I couldn't combine that movie with the other ones since it ignored all the sequels, and it's happening again with the new Terminator movie since it ignores all the sequels except T2 like Genisys did.

So yeah, some people wanna follow the continuities of all the movies, some feel no compunction to follow the ones they don't like. I go either way, depends on the franchise. But I think my Terminator story suffered a little bit because I tried to work Genisys into the story, because I started it before Genisys came out.

Like I mentioned I tried to do this for Godzilla and as I mentioned it's impossible with all the continuity errors from one series to the next. I'm excited for Dark Fate but like you've mentioned that makes a third timeline in the continuity which for most people will be confusing.

But back on the subject of this thread. I think they should take what is good about Alien and Predator and learn from the mistakes of the first two AVPs. And I think they should take ideas from the first ever AVP comic book, except the human/Predator team up, and the ideas from the games that people loved.

I hope to one day adapt my AVP scripts into animated movies, just to see if it can be done, to do a good AVP story. That's why I tried to do my AVP stories, because I wanna know if it can be done right, because some people think because of the original movies they've made, that it can't be done.

And again, I wish they would give it another try, just because those two AVP movies failed, doesn't mean it's not possible. Did you know the Maltese Falcon was adapted two times before they made the movie that eventually became the classic film with Bogart? Yeah, the Bogart one was so good, most people didn't even realize it was the second remake.

people seem to be interested in an animated avp. Sounds interesting and lots more can easily be done in an animated film.

I'd be quite excited to see an animated AvP film sure!

Quote from: Predwars24 on Jun 18, 2019, 12:21:08 PM
Didn't Ridley say something about Blade Runner being Canon to Alien or did I get that confused somewhere?

In an official capacity I may be wrong but I don't believe Ridley has ever said that directly, no. Plus one's Fox, one's Warner Bros, so some sort of Sony & Disney Spider-Man type deal would have to occur to make it official.

However there's probably a fair arguement to make that it's been implied through easter eggs, subtle references and such...

I don't see any crossover as particularly appropriate for Alien, but I'll take Alien and Blade Runner over AVP.

I miss you being a big advocate for an Alien/BR Universe, Old One! :)

Lying is unbecoming of you.  :D

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I'd get behind an Alien, Predator and Blade Runner shared universe.

I can imagine Alien and Blade Runner interacting on some level, hell they already do and it bothered none involved, not Mr "evolve" Ridley Scott anyway.

But you tell 'im about a Blade Runner, Alien and Predator crossover and I can imagine him struggling to keep down bile.

Quote from: Erik Lehnsherr on Jun 23, 2019, 11:46:08 AM
I can imagine Alien and Blade Interacting on some minor level, hell they already do and it bothered none involved, not Mr "evolve" Ridley Scott anyway.

But you tell 'im about a Blade Runner, Alien and Predator crossover and  I can imagine him struggling to keep down bile.

Alien and Blade Runner are much more appropriate for crossovers than Predator.  Those two I can definitely see.  I just can't see Predator fitting anywhere in a Blade Runner-type setting.  It would just seem all so....wrong....

Be honest, I've never personally felt Alien and BR was a good fit. I'm glad they're separate.

Or AVP.

Quote from: The Old One on Jun 23, 2019, 03:30:08 PM
Or AVP.

But they're like Peanut Butter and Jelly!  ;D

Alien and Predator are naturally attracted to each other. Its dickhead vs pussyface after all.

Quote from: Kradan on Mar 31, 2019, 07:04:48 AM
Dick-head VS Vagina-mouth directed by Pervert Anderson.

Quote from: Samhain13 on Jun 23, 2019, 03:59:30 PM
Alien and Predator are naturally attracted to each other. Its dickhead vs pussyface after all.

Quote from: Kradan on Jun 23, 2019, 04:21:24 PM

Quote from: Kradan on Mar 31, 2019, 07:04:48 AM
Dick-head VS Vagina-mouth directed by Pervert Anderson.

It all makes so much sense now  :D

Quote from: SiL on Feb 19, 2019, 04:37:02 AM
And Aliens is a much more frightening film than Alien3, but everyone loves acting like Aliens ruined the vibe.

I remember being really frightened at Aliens when I was a kid. I was also awestruck at the creativity and the details in the alien lifecycle and its hive community. Then I realized how comical the dialogue was when I watched it again recently. It seemed to be unintentionally funny.

Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Jun 23, 2019, 03:46:05 PM

Quote from: The Old One on Jun 23, 2019, 03:30:08 PM
Or AVP.

But they're like Peanut Butter and Jelly!  ;D

Indeed. It's f**king ultimate hunter vs ultimate prey! What else do you want?

I like the idea of shared universes. Blade Runner, Outland, Event Horizon - they seem to fit really well together even if they're not supposed to.

I like the idea of the Xenos and Yautja inhabiting the same reality - though cinematically it hasn't worked that well (that said, I'm a fan of AvP, it's one of my favourite films, but I do understand the detractions).

But, as much as I liked it, AvP stories really should be set in the future - setting them in present day just doesn't work. Predator only - yes - that works, but including the xenos has spawned a zillion pages of canon arguments that should never have happened.

That's the only place it can go really. Future, colonial marines, a colony world, space station. They should just try and make a good Aliens styled movie, but with a Predator thrown into it. That's basically what the original comic and AVP 2 were. Maybe it's nostalgia, but if we got AVP 2's story done seriously and with a tighter script, I'd die of excitement.

It has to be set in the future with most of the human characters being marines. AVP and AVPR just didn't feel right with Aliens being here in the modern day.

I've said it before but think the best route for it would be a series of some kind, similar to what the Life and Death comics did. Have one story revolve around Predators hunting marines, and another story revolving around xenomorph eggs being discovered and some kind of infestation taking place that another group of marines are sent to deal with. Then eventually have these two stories crash into one another and lead us into an actual AVP story.

I might be alone here but I'd prefer if the Predators had no idea xeno's were on the planet until the two stories connect, and even then I'd want the Predators to not really have any previous in depth knowledge about them like they did in the movies. Have the humans and the Predators just completely blind sided by the arrival of the xeno's

That sounds sort of similar to the original AvP story, with Machiko and Broken Tusk. It really is the best route for AvP to take, fast forward to the future but still on a planet that's reminiscent of what we have today. The tech has changed, we have some futuristic elements that are in line with the advancements that are shown in the earlier Alien movies, but much of everything else has remained the same - even the primitive way that we ranch "cattle". Seems like a good mix of the two.

Adapting the first AVP comic would be great indeed.

Quote from: JokersWarPig on Jun 24, 2019, 12:53:15 PM
It has to be set in the future with most of the human characters being marines. AVP and AVPR just didn't feel right with Aliens being here in the modern day.

I've said it before but think the best route for it would be a series of some kind, similar to what the Life and Death comics did. Have one story revolve around Predators hunting marines, and another story revolving around xenomorph eggs being discovered and some kind of infestation taking place that another group of marines are sent to deal with. Then eventually have these two stories crash into one another and lead us into an actual AVP story.

I might be alone here but I'd prefer if the Predators had no idea xeno's were on the planet until the two stories connect, and even then I'd want the Predators to not really have any previous in depth knowledge about them like they did in the movies. Have the humans and the Predators just completely blind sided by the arrival of the xeno's

A series would definitely work IMO. It would be interesting for once to have the predators face the aliens unexpected, like an unknown threat. The ones who don't get ripped apart would realize they discovered their new favorite prey.

Make Aliens again but chuck in a predator. It sounds lazy because it is, but it'd also do well.

Quote from: [cancerblack] on Jun 25, 2019, 10:04:40 PM
Make Aliens again but chuck in a predator.

I'm visually imagining chucking in a Predator.  :D

Just yeet a Predator right into Operations and close the door.

Quote from: [cancerblack] on Jun 25, 2019, 10:04:40 PM
Make Aliens again but chuck in a predator. It sounds lazy because it is, but it'd also do well.

This. And plus, someone write the predator as a sci fi, technological-tribal hunter, out for some skulls. Since "some people" tend to forget that...

I think someone had the right idea about advertising the film as an Aliens film and then surprise everyone with the idea of the Predator even being in the movie.

Quote from: SiL on Jun 25, 2019, 10:54:06 PM
Just yeet a Predator right into Operations and close the door.

Fund it.

Quote from: Predwars24 on Jun 26, 2019, 04:47:13 PM
I think someone had the right idea about advertising the film as an Aliens film and then surprise everyone with the idea of the Predator even being in the movie.

Wouldn't work in the internet age, which is genuinely a shame since it'd be the hypest shit ever if you could actually keep a lid on it.

I don't know, Marvel Studios' kept
plenty under wraps.

I do not believe for a moment that anyone could make an Alien movie with a predator as anything but a brief cameo and keep it a secret.

I think they could, especially since you don't have to credit the person portraying a predator as "predator". Old One is right by citing Marvel keeping things under wraps, especially for Infinity War.

If you are doing AVP, you can't just wrap it all up in the Alien side of things and say "But Alien is horror" while ignoring that Predator is action (or action horror).

But Aliens very clearly bleeds over into action.

Indeed.

Aliens is extremely well-executed action horror (not as much action as people think), as is Predator (heavier on action but plenty of suspense)

Quote from: razeak on Jul 02, 2019, 03:53:51 PM
If you are doing AVP, you can't just wrap it all up in the Alien side of things and say "But Alien is horror" while ignoring that Predator is action (or action horror).

I would say Aliens has more action than Predator overall. Not Predator 2, but Predator definitely in my opinion.

Quote from: happypred on Jul 03, 2019, 01:46:10 AM
Aliens is extremely well-executed action horror (not as much action as people think), as is Predator (heavier on action but plenty of suspense)

The last 40 minutes of Aliens is a continuous series of action sequences.  Predator is comparable, with slightly more quieter bits while Dutch prepares for battle.

Quote from: happypred on Jul 03, 2019, 01:46:10 AM
Aliens is extremely well-executed action horror (not as much action as people think), as is Predator (heavier on action but plenty of suspense)

Yes or yeah. The marines might be a key element of any respectable AvP film (regardless the setting; Space or Earth).

Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Jul 03, 2019, 03:56:47 AM

Quote from: happypred on Jul 03, 2019, 01:46:10 AM
Aliens is extremely well-executed action horror (not as much action as people think), as is Predator (heavier on action but plenty of suspense)

Yes or yeah. The marines might be a key element of any respectable AvP film (regardless the setting; Space or Earth).

Another issue with the 2004 film. The closest we get to military action is a bunch of dull as dishwater, utterly forgettable mercenaries who all die like chumps immediately. No memorable characters (or even caricatures), cool gear or heroic last stands to be found between the lot of them.

I dunno, I kinda like Quinn's scenes. But in general, I completely agree with you.

Underutilized actor.

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jul 04, 2019, 07:29:15 AM
I dunno, I kinda like Quinn's scenes. But in general, I completely agree with you.

Which one was he? I've seen the damn thing at least ten times and I still can't remember any character names other than Lex and Weyland.

Quote from: [cancerblack] on Jul 10, 2019, 09:31:43 PM

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jul 04, 2019, 07:29:15 AM
I dunno, I kinda like Quinn's scenes. But in general, I completely agree with you.

Which one was he? I've seen the damn thing at least ten times and I still can't remember any character names other than Lex and Weyland.

The head drilling person. He's the one who comes across everyone dead above the ice when the Predators show up.

I preferred Tommy Flanagan and Ewen Bremner.