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Hey there, everyone. In a recent article, there were some interesting comments made by Sega's European boss Jurgen Post. When discussing Creative Assembly's upcoming Alien title, Post mentioned that the game is being produced...
"...in-house so it's easy to manage the production of it."
Source: *edited*
As the article mentions, it seems to me that Sega is very much aware of the outsourcing issues that plagued A:CM, and are keen to avoid such problems with Creative Assembly. This is good news for CA's game, but at the same time, I think it once again supports the idea that Sega was NOT aware of the large degree of outsourcing with A:CM.
Aliens: Colonial Marines Outsourcing report
- single player (timegate/ demiurge)
- multiplayer (timegate/demiurge)
- dlc: bug hunt (demiurge/*nerve)
- dlc: recon map pack (*demiurge/nerve)
- dlc: movie map pack (*demiurge/nerve)
- dlc: single player dlc (dark side studios)
- additional wii u sku: cancelled (demiurge)
With additional production assets coming from PolyCount, as well as an art studio in Shanghai, China.
Source: http://forums.gearboxsoftware.com/showthread.php?t=244479 (http://forums.gearboxsoftware.com/showthread.php?t=244479)
In addition, I found Post's following comments to be interesting as well...
"Colonial Marines, although it didn't review well, did sell well to start. So there is an appetite for Aliens. Going forward Creative Assembly is a good quality developer and our aim is to create a good quality game."
I'm a little torn on what he mentions here because as far as I'm concerned, a lot of the initial sales for A:CM can be tied to ill-gotten gains due to false advertising and a review embargo. As such, I find any comments praising the game's initial sales to be rather disingenuous. Anyway, as some of you may know, it has been said that 20th Century Fox is upset with Sega, who, in turn, is upset with Gearbox, who, in turn, are upset with TimeGate. It has been suggested to me that once the false advertising suit is settled with Sega/Gearbox, Sega may very well turn around and sue Gearbox for damages, including any that may come from the false advertising case. To learn more about this issue and help support the cause, please consider signing the following petition to help promote truth in advertising in the video game industry:
https://www.change.org/petitions/judge-maria-elena-james-sega-of-america-gearbox-studios-edelson-llc-support-refunds-for-a-cm-purchasers-who-feel-misled-by-deceptive-advertising (https://www.change.org/petitions/judge-maria-elena-james-sega-of-america-gearbox-studios-edelson-llc-support-refunds-for-a-cm-purchasers-who-feel-misled-by-deceptive-advertising)
Well, CA's game was announced as being an "Alien" game, not "Aliens" - just by that fact alone, I had more hope placed on it than CM from the beginning. The fact that Sega's being a lot more careful now, and will probably be watching the development very closely, will hopefully be a good sign. They're likely looking for this game to be a critical darling after CM, possibly even to the detriment of sales, depending on how serious they are about having Aliens as a "pillar" going forward.
Quote from: JustaGrunt on Aug 10, 2013, 10:14:16 PM
"Colonial Marines, although it didn't review well, did sell well to start. So there is an appetite for Aliens. Going forward Creative Assembly is a good quality developer and our aim is to create a good quality game."
I'm a little torn on what he mentions here because as far as I'm concerned, a lot of the initial sales for A:CM can be tied to ill-gotten gains due to false advertising and a review embargo. As such, I find any comments praising the game's initial sales to be rather disingenuous.
True...but it's the money that's talking here, not the quality of the game itself. A:CM, in this sense, can be positively regarded for it's initial sales. I don't think Post is saying anything that is disingenuous or out-of-line, he's just taking a particular perspective. He is definitely right to point our that there is an appetite for video games based on the Alien franchise.
Perhaps Sega got away with good sales based on the name alone. However, the backlash has hit, and I don't think they'll be able to get away with phoning it in again. Similar to how the first AvP movie was a commercial success, but the AvPR was the lowest grossing film from either franchise.
Quote from: JustaGrunt on Aug 10, 2013, 10:14:16 PM
As the article mentions, it seems to me that Sega is very much aware of the outsourcing issues that plagued A:CM, and are keen to avoid such problems with Creative Assembly. This is good news for CA's game, but at the same time, I think it once again supports the idea that Sega was NOT aware of the large degree of outsourcing with A:CM.
By in-house he means that Sega is developing the game themselves, CA is owned by them. There isn't a third party involved this time (like Gearbox or Rebellion). So he isn't acknowledging the infamous outsourcing matter specifically unfortunately.
I love the subliminal cracks at GBX and how they basically say "yeah we're not outsourcing this time, we've learned our lesson".
I hope they have learnt their lesson. If this next Alien game falls through as well, I will lose all my hope for SEGA and their use of the ALIEN / ALIENS license. So far, with ACM, they've raped the name and milked it for its marquee value alone. I seriously hope Creative Assembly has something good in the works, something us Alien fans will be proud to play. I haven't touched my copy of ACM since February. Didn't even play it past the 1 month mark. Haven't bothered with the DLCs either.
I hope this new Alien IP title has seriously scary and intelligent AI. That's all you really need for a GOOD Alien game. Dark, scary environments, realistic AI and limited weaponry at your disposal. I'm tired of playing as a Marine every time. Make it suspenseful, put me in a ship like the Nostromo and have me chase down a friggen cat with an Alien on the loose. Seriously, there'd be more terror and excitement in that, than running in with a motion tracker blaring and a smart gun at the ready.
Getting good AI is an objective for every game, not just those to do with these films.
Not keen on a human perspective game, though, personally. Not unless there's something totally out of left field to distinguish it from every other shooter/RPG/whatever-it'll-be in existence.
So Gearbox didn't work on dlc? Then are people who salute Gearbox's effort on their forum idiots?
I played the xbox version for a bit and I plan to get it for either that or the PC but is it really that bad? There's no redeeming things to be found in ACM?
Quote from: cloverfan98 on Aug 11, 2013, 06:37:35 AM
I played the xbox version for a bit and I plan to get it for either that or the PC but is it really that bad? There's no redeeming things to be found in ACM?
The multiplayer. As buggy as it is, it has potential. And it's fun when it's working right.
I hope Sega do sue gearbox eventually. They'll have a lot of backing from people if they do.
I'm very interested now to see how CA's Alien game will turn out.
Quote from: demonbane on Aug 11, 2013, 06:19:52 AM
So Gearbox didn't work on dlc? Then are people who salute Gearbox's effort on their forum idiots?
I've tracked a lot of the development history for A:CM and can vouch that all the DLC was outsourced, just like the main game, as well as multiplayer, was. Even though different development studios, such as Nerve, Demiurge, and Dark Side, were responsible for putting the DLC together, for what it's worth, these companies were still remotely supervised by a Gearbox employee or two, who most likely had a relatively small hand in development. But, for all intents and purposes, it was these other studios who put in the real work and were responsible for producing all the dlc.
So going back to your question, yes, many people have been misguided on who is to blame or praise for the DLC, largely because Gearbox has failed to acknowledge the level of outsourcing in the DLCs. So, for example, the people who praise Gearbox for the last DLC, Stasis Interrupted, should actually be giving credit to Dark Side Studios. Or, for those who were happy with Bug Hunt, the credit should really have been going to Demiurge. Given this, it has always bugged me how the DLC is advertised as being from Gearbox when in reality, just like the main game, the majority of it, if not all of it, is being made by others.
I posted (http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=47572.msg1672959#msg1672959) about Darkside here well before (http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=47572.msg1672739#msg1672739) the DLC came out and I've seen with my own eyes how some of the levels were laid out by GBX employees. As I've said before too, the DLC was then finalized by Darkside while overseen by GBX, which is a common practice nowadays as you can tell by their portfolio, but people from GBX definitely worked on it, some of them up to the last minute.
This game should never have been released at all.......
Gearbox should have the b***s to admit they have no buisness doing big IP like Aliens which they obviously only wanted for the PR/Press it brought....(before the game was released obviously).......
The only once i feel bad for is Timegate Studios who became the fall-guys/gals in all this. They made my two favorit addon packs that i still play to this day........
Shame on you SEGA........
Shame on you GEARBOX.......
I any of them had any guts they would admit they blew it big time with this sad game that could have been such an amazing game if the right people who actually gets it got to do an Aliens game.......
Sega should make a new game that contradicts everything that happened in A:CM, just for spite.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Aug 11, 2013, 06:17:09 PM
Sega should make a new game that contradicts everything that happened in A:CM, just for spite.
Trust me you are not the only one who want a REALLY good Aliens game to do away with all that´s happend.......
Quote from: ikarop on Aug 11, 2013, 12:45:16 PM
I posted (http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=47572.msg1672959#msg1672959) about Darkside here well before (http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=47572.msg1672739#msg1672739) the DLC came out and I've seen with my own eyes how some of the levels were laid out by GBX employees. As I've said before too, the DLC was then finalized by Darkside while overseen by GBX, which is a common practice nowadays as you can tell by their portfolio, but people from GBX definitely worked on it, some of them up to the last minute.
Thanks for the feedback, ikarop, and for helping out with this thread. As you mentioned, I have found these forums to be a lot more forthcoming with information about A:CM and certainly appreciate all the news updates because it has allowed the community to have a better understanding of the game's development. Just to be clear, I wasn't referring to AVPGalaxy when I wrote about people being misguided on who to either praise or blame for the DLC content. For example, from what I've seen around the net, a lot of people have no clue that "Stasis Interrupted" was outsourced and associate the entire production to Gearbox. The same seems to have occurred with Demiurge and Nerve too, unfortunately, who, in my opinion, did excellent work and did not receive their due credit from the community at large.
By combing through the resumes from various employees at these different studios, I, along with many others, have been able to track the contributions from these studios (Demiurge, Nerve, TimeGate, and Dark Side) and can attest that their efforts have been very sizable indeed. These contributions consist of entire levels or gameplay segments that can be found across single player, multiplayer, and DLC content. From what I understand, Gearbox has mostly been involved with DLC oversight and, in some cases, with planning certain easter eggs. As far as the size of the team goes, I wish I had an exact number, but from what I have been told, I believe it can be best described as a small skeleton crew, as GBX is said to be busy preparing content for Homeworld, Borderlands 2 DLC, and Borderlands 3.
Quote from: JustaGrunt on Aug 11, 2013, 08:16:03 PM
Quote from: ikarop on Aug 11, 2013, 12:45:16 PM
I posted (http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=47572.msg1672959#msg1672959) about Darkside here well before (http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=47572.msg1672739#msg1672739) the DLC came out and I've seen with my own eyes how some of the levels were laid out by GBX employees. As I've said before too, the DLC was then finalized by Darkside while overseen by GBX, which is a common practice nowadays as you can tell by their portfolio, but people from GBX definitely worked on it, some of them up to the last minute.
Just to be clear, I wasn't referring to AVPGalaxy when I wrote about people being misguided on who to either praise or blame for the DLC content.
NP and I'm aware. After all it was us who revealed that bit along with many others. I think it's very important that people are aware of the level of outsourcing that went into the game but I think it's also important to note that this is a common practice nowadays and that the main studios usually do a portion of the work like it was the case with Stasis Interrupted and other stuff. For instance here you can see a GBX developer who worked on that DLC:
http://www.brenthollon3d.com/162426/1632543/professional-work/aliens-colonial-marines-%282013%29-visual-design-work (http://www.brenthollon3d.com/162426/1632543/professional-work/aliens-colonial-marines-%282013%29-visual-design-work)
And while we're at it, some unused sections of the Derelict: http://jeremybrown.squarespace.com/ (http://jeremybrown.squarespace.com/)
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Quote from: demonbane on Aug 11, 2013, 06:19:52 AM
So Gearbox didn't work on dlc? Then are people who salute Gearbox's effort on their forum idiots?
Basically
It amazes me just how much of a disaster this game has become and I'm not necessarily talking about the game itself but the whole drama surrounding it and its developers.
The stills, the assets, and the screenshots taken by the fans show a game that is very pretty and very "Aliens" imo. But ACM should be more then just a museum as the support, gameplay, story, animations and netcode are just terrible. Such a waste of these fenominal assets. Gearbox had gold with these assets, but their hearts were with a different franchise. What a waste.
Its funny that a thread that was supposed to be about CA upcomming Alien title has become a testament to what a dissapointment A: CM is....... :-[
Before anyone haggels me, im guilty as well, but i think its because so many was expection something really amazing and ended up with a crappy game that never should have been released, or a game that should have been given to someone who gets it....... :(
P.S. i find it funny that everyone envolved in A:CM are bussy pointing fingers at everyone else but themselves....... ::)
Those are beautifully realised derelict interiors...
Quote from: Local Trouble on Aug 11, 2013, 06:17:09 PM
Sega should make a new game that contradicts everything that happened in A:CM, just for spite.
SEGA and FOX should smack their dumb heads in the table and forget about suing everybody who tries to do something nice with the franchise. I am tired of seeing GREAT AMAZING projects dying because FOX decided to act like a homo. The Aliens VS Marine CryEngine 2 project was AWESOME in every aspect but NO!!! FOX HAD TO shut it down, what a bastards.
Quote from: WinterActual on Aug 12, 2013, 06:17:09 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Aug 11, 2013, 06:17:09 PM
Sega should make a new game that contradicts everything that happened in A:CM, just for spite.
SEGA and FOX should smack their dumb heads in the table and forget about suing everybody who tries to do something nice with the franchise. I am tired of seeing GREAT AMAZING projects dying because FOX decided to act like a homo. The Aliens VS Marine CryEngine 2 project was AWESOME in every aspect but NO!!! FOX HAD TO shut it down, what a bastards.
nuking Fox HQ from orbit is the one and only hope that remains, so they release the alien franchise eventually.
Fox is the one and only problem we actually have since the days of A:R. What you are talking about is just the 486357623th example of that, and now with Prometheus we can be sure retardation at Fox will never end, just like the alien casualization for the kiddy audience.
Did you know they call these new generation tiny roflmao "aliens" that should bring about the laughs of every single aliens fan "Evolution of the IP"?, this is what the brains of the Foxtards in charge of the alien franchise think on the matter, nothing more. Prometheus was just the icing on the cake, just like the avp movies, clearly designed for the kids and popcorn as well.
Quote from: JustaGrunt on Aug 10, 2013, 10:14:16 PM
It has been suggested to me that once the false advertising suit is settled with Sega/Gearbox, Sega may very well turn around and sue Gearbox for damages, including any that may come from the false advertising case. To learn more about this issue and help support the cause, please consider signing the following petition to help promote truth in advertising in the video game industry:
https://www.change.org/petitions/judge-maria-elena-james-sega-of-america-gearbox-studios-edelson-llc-support-refunds-for-a-cm-purchasers-who-feel-misled-by-deceptive-advertising (https://www.change.org/petitions/judge-maria-elena-james-sega-of-america-gearbox-studios-edelson-llc-support-refunds-for-a-cm-purchasers-who-feel-misled-by-deceptive-advertising)
I'd sign a petition to sue Gearbox for spending A:CM funds on Borderlands 2. However,
if Gearbox did in fact , then it's outright theft and Gearbox REALLY DID shit all over the Aliens franchise. Personally, I've never been upset with the enhanced graphics in the demo not being present in the game; I am always very skeptical regarding effects in a demo as opposed to the game.
I don't see the comment about the game selling well as a bad thing, necessarily. It did sell well (because of false advertising and years of hype). But he is right in that it proves that there is still an appetite for Alien(s). I like Creative Assembly, and I like how it seems that SEGA is aware of the incredible amount of outsourcing that happened with A:CM and is keeping things "in-house" so-to-speak. I just pray that, once again, they don't f**k up. SEGA's got a huge hill to climb after the A:CM fiasco. There will be less pre-orders and people will wait for damn reviews this time.
Alien fans will jump onboard either way, so we're already screwed. :laugh:
I wish they'd call it the
alienS franchise.
None of these horrible games, movies or comic books have more than the most superficial and distorted relationship to Alien.
:(
Quote from: predxeno on Aug 13, 2013, 04:02:03 AM
Alien fans will jump onboard either way, so we're already screwed. :laugh:
AlienS fans.
;)
An alienS/franchise fan might also like Alien,
but I dont feel that an Alien fan is required to also accept knockoff crap.
Because they're being tied down to a chair to do just that, eh?
Haven't seen an Alien purist in a long time.
Believe me, you have
Not really.
Here's my impression: >:( @ Jimmy's ants
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Willing to give any new alien based game a chance no matter how many terrible games are made. I love the franchise and love any new media that may be made.
I bought Alien resurrection Postcard collection book
So I'll be drawn into buying any new game at some point but not at launch.
Screw CA. Get back to me when Sega gets SM to make an Alien title.
Booyah.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Aug 11, 2013, 06:17:09 PM
Sega should make a new game that contradicts everything that happened in A:CM, just for spite.
Hold on there...
True, A:CM was very disappointing (putting it lightly). But I think Sega/CA should worry more about putting their best efforts towards a good Alien game rather than trying to spite someone else and potentially screwing themselves over in the process, suffering from putting out a game of lesser quality over it. Putting out a good quality game that many will enjoy and love is spite enough (if you really want spite that is).
Anyway, I'm hoping this upcoming game will really go the more "Alien" route as opposed to the "Aliens" route, I think the world could use a little more "Alien" as it's probably had enough of "Aliens" (AvP2010 which was okay, A:CM which was very disappointing) for now. Time for something different I think. I like the sound of "dark and slow paced" from the game's mentioning in February. I was actually very recently talking about this upcoming game a bit with others in another thread relating to playthroughs of "Amnesia: The Dark Decent" and "SCP Containment Breach".
In response to the interview part that says "Colonial Marines, although it didn't review well, did sell well to start.", well, that's because things like "ALIENS" and "FPS VIDEO GAME" and "MOVIE AUTHENTICITY" were slapped on a lunchbox and it started selling. Even I was raving that it was going to be my game of the year before it was released...
I was so wrong.
Anyway, bring on this kind of stuff...
Spoiler
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Quote from: Crazy Rich on Aug 15, 2013, 11:10:59 AM
True, A:CM was very disappointing (putting it lightly). But I think Sega/CA should worry more about putting their best efforts towards a good Alien game rather than trying to spite someone else and potentially screwing themselves over in the process, suffering from putting out a game of lesser quality over it. Putting out a good quality game that many will enjoy and love is spite enough (if you really want spite that is).
Well, yeah, if you're sane. What if you just want to watch the world burn?
Quote from: windebieste on Aug 15, 2013, 11:31:17 AM
http://themulchpile.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/we-were-so-wrong.gif?w=500&h=265
Take the subtitle out and it looks like she's going NOM NOM NOM NOM. ;D
Quote from: SM on Aug 16, 2013, 12:43:43 AM
Quote from: windebieste on Aug 15, 2013, 11:31:17 AM
http://themulchpile.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/we-were-so-wrong.gif?w=500&h=265
Take the subtitle out and it looks like she's going NOM NOM NOM NOM. ;D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mb-gfWjVcCA#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mb-gfWjVcCA#ws)
:laugh:
Remember, Colonial Marines was made out of spite for Alien 3. The best form of revenge/spite is to make an Alien(s) game that people love.
Alien3 was already my second favourite film after alien, and this game came only to make me stand by my already old belief about the total superiority of both films over the second. In fact, I should be grateful to the hardcore alien(s) fans for pushing for the making of a game like this.
enough with the motion trackers and pulse rifles...
I want a cattle prod and a detection unit! GO!
see, I knew there was one alien purist around at least
Quote from: Hemi on Aug 20, 2013, 12:40:46 PM
enough with the motion trackers and pulse rifles...
I want a cattle prod and a detection unit! GO!
Quote from: Local Trouble on Aug 11, 2013, 06:17:09 PM
Sega should make a new game that contradicts everything that happened in A:CM, just for spite.
Glad I never broke down and bought ACM...
I'd like to see something third person single player
Quote from: P.B. on Nov 12, 2013, 08:39:46 PM
Quote from: Hemi on Aug 20, 2013, 12:40:46 PM
enough with the motion trackers and pulse rifles...
I want a cattle prod and a detection unit! GO!
Quote from: Local Trouble on Aug 11, 2013, 06:17:09 PM
Sega should make a new game that contradicts everything that happened in A:CM, just for spite.
Glad I never broke down and bought ACM...
I'd like to see something third person single player
On the contrary, I'm glad I bought the super-fan-boy edition of ACM. I liked the extras, especially the statue. And the box was cool too! Boxes are usually boring!
I've been unofficially calling-for/supporting the idea of a Dead Space-style Alien(s) game that pays more homage to the films in the same way the original Dead Space had limited ammo, jump-scares and a sense of surreal horror. We don't need competitive MP, but Co-Op with one other person would be a nice option.
[quote/]Prometheus was just the icing on the cake, just like the avp movies, clearly designed for the kids and popcorn as well.
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Please don't lump Prometheus in with that crap.
Honestly:
The Good:
Alien: Director's Cut
Aliens: Extended Cut
Aliens: Theatrical Release
Alien: Theatrical Release
Prometheus: Theatrical Release
Alien-3: Assembly Cut
The Bad:
Alien-3: Theatrical Release
Alien-Resurrection: Director's Cut
Alien-Resurrection: Theatrical Release
The Ugly:
AVP
AVP-R
(Sorry if a little off-topic.)
Anyway, if first-person must be the route a mix of game mechanics from Metro: Last Light and Amnesia would be welcome, with AVP2's non-linearity.
Quote from: Hemi on Aug 20, 2013, 12:40:46 PM
enough with the motion trackers and pulse rifles...
I want a cattle prod and a detection unit! GO!
Yes please.
I'm crossing my fingers for a good survival horror Alien game but so far the well has been poisoned for almost a decade
Very bad...
Predators
AvP
AvP Requiem
Colonial Marines
Underwhelming...
Prometheus
AvP 2010
2009 triple comics
Aliens Resurrection
I thought Alien 3 and Predator 2 were alright
My favourite franchise is on the verge of quality bankruptcy and I've had to deal with disappointment after disappointment starting with AvP all the way back in 2004. It's the most frustrating feeling in the world to watch this shit being churned out and to actually be relieved when a new movie or game or whatever is just mediocre as opposed to being complete garbage
I understand where you're coming from magic. I feel very similar in my feelings towards the new material that has been less than average. I've recently played some AvP2010 on my Xbox and found it to be somewhat fun, yet somewhat needy. I feel like these games are barely tested by anyone outside their own development studios, if they even are. It's like "this is what we came up with, like it or not, give us your money fan-boys/girls."
I'm keeping my fingers crossed for this title but I'm also keeping my standards/expectations low. I want to expect crap and be pleasantly surprised to astounded.