https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/fede-alvarez-alien-movie-cast-1235340396/
Well looks like that pretty much rounds out a cast, then! Of the bunch, Spaeny is the only one I have any actual familiarity with, I believe, thanks to
Devs and (ugh)
Pacific Rim: Uprising. Fearn is mentioned as having been in
The Batman, though I'd be lying if I said I remember him in the movie based on that photo of him.
Seems like the article has a little bit of a synopsis for the film, too:
QuotePlot details are being kept in a cryochamber, but as opposed to the other movies which focused on adults in corporate, militaristic and scientific roles, this now-ninth installment of the franchise will focus on a group of young people. On a distant colony, the group finds themselves in a fight for their lives with the titular alien, a creature known as a Xenomorph, whose race propagates by implanting eggs into people's stomachs via face-huggers, with the juveniles eventually violently bursting out of the host's chest.
So we have a setting, a colony world.
Quote from: RidgeTop on Mar 03, 2023, 11:44:43 PMQuote from: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 03, 2023, 11:38:53 PMSo we have a setting, a colony world.
A setting, yep.
Interesting... That definitely tracks, since the leaked auditions seemed to be for a character who is a salvager on board a ship.
EDIT: Also, I'm sure there's gonna be some kneejerky reactions to this news because the whole main ensemble seems to be all kids/young adults, but whatever, I'm willing to see it all out and see why they're going in this direction with it. Just last year we got
Prey with a pretty young lead in what's structured as a coming of age story, and
Avatar: The Way of Water centered its story firmly around Jake and Neytiri's kids, and both of those rocked.
Raised By Wolves, too. It isn't what I was expecting for
Romulus, to be sure, but I really don't dislike the idea of getting a younger perspective in whatever this ends up being and it certainly shouldn't be any reason to write the movie off right off the bat.
Young adult Alien movie is such an awful idea, looks like it's somehow gonna be even worse than I imagined. Ridley, just wtf are you doing, it must be a deliberate attempt to completely destroy IPs he originated or maybe he completely lost his mind.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 03, 2023, 11:45:13 PMAvatar: The Way of Water centered its story firmly around Jake and Neytiri's kids,
This is not the same thing at all. The Way of Water is a direct sequel that's centered around the entire Sully family, including Jake and Neytiri too, and it's a PG/families driven franchise, so it's consistent with what came before. Alien is the opposite of that, it's an adult franchise, it's dark and violent, and the only kid who was there is Newt. The closest thing to young adult it did was AvP: Requiem and it was the lowest point of both franchises, true 1/10 experience.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 03, 2023, 11:45:13 PMit certainly shouldn't be any reason to write the movie off right off the bat.
I'm writing this movie off right off the bat, after cast and plot premise it's done, thank you.
Eh. Could suck, sure. Could be great as well. Most likely, it'll fall somewhere in between. I'm curious and willing to wait and see what Alvarez is up to. We don't really even have any semblance of an idea what the movie is going to be yet.
First they kill Newt & Hicks, then they clone Ripley, make the space jockey a bald white guy, and make a WY android the creator of the alien,
but that was all nothing compared to...
CASTING ACTORS IN THEIR TWENTIES?!
The audacity. They've clearly gone too far this time...
It's not necessarily a problem for me. A good deal of the Marines from Aliens were in their late 20's/very early 30's filming that movie (Jenette Goldstein and Daniel Kash were around 25). Reiser, Biehn, Paxton, William Hope were 30-31. I hear Carrie Henn was young too. Al Matthews and Henriksen were outliers. The cast in Aliens was much younger than Alien, where Weaver was the youngest at 29.
I had no excitement for this release in the first place, but my excitement is lessened by this news. I'm sure they're all nice people and good actors, but no. Is the film taking place in a Starbucks?
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 03, 2023, 11:38:53 PMSo we have a setting, a colony world.
What if this colony world is Origae-6, and after several decades, the missing derelict Covenant finally arrives at it's intended destination...
interesting......like that idea eighth
Quote from: Mr. Clemens on Mar 04, 2023, 09:19:17 AMI had no excitement for this release in the first place, but my excitement is lessened by this news. I'm sure they're all nice people and good actors, but no. Is the film taking place in a Starbucks?
Like every horror franchise before it, the Alien license will just be cheap unmemorable schlock . Straight to streaming services/ Blu-ray for a easy buck and then completely forgotten about.
Quote from: Nukiemorph on Mar 04, 2023, 03:50:12 AMFirst they kill Newt & Hicks, then they clone Ripley, make the space jockey a bald white guy, and make a WY android the creator of the alien,
but that was all nothing compared to...
CASTING ACTORS IN THEIR TWENTIES?!
The audacity. They've clearly gone too far this time...
You are reading it wrong. Look at those actors, they all look like teens, if not kids. And not even cool/charismatic ones, but like Twilight ones. This is very clearly gonna be young adult.
Quote from: Valaquen on Mar 04, 2023, 08:40:07 AMIt's not necessarily a problem for me. A good deal of the Marines from Aliens were in their late 20's/very early 30's filming that movie (Jenette Goldstein and Daniel Kash were around 25). Reiser, Biehn, Paxton, William Hope were 30-31. I hear Carrie Henn was young too. Al Matthews and Henriksen were outliers. The cast in Aliens was much younger than Alien, where Weaver was the youngest at 29.
Do all those actors look like Aliens cast to you? I don't recall Hunger Games in Aliens.
So young adults can't possibly go through any journeys worth watching? Don't Breathe and the Evil Dead remake both had young casts too, and I certainly wouldn't classify those as "young adult" films akin to Twilight.
I'm keeping an open mind until we see at least one frame of footage.
Evil Dead 2013 is a adolescent movie?
PREY is a adolescent movie?
PREY was criticized for the adolescent cast. A girl and her brother in a saga of men.
adult is not equal to adolescent? Sure?
In adult Prometheus he was adolescent in his personality.
Quote from: Nukiemorph on Mar 04, 2023, 10:42:29 AMSo young adults can't possibly go through any journeys worth watching?
In this particular franchise, no. Divergent with Alien is one of the worst things that could happen to this already dead franchise. Ridley talked so much about how he dislikes all Alien sequels/crossovers including James Cameron's one, and how he shouldn't have let it go after first Alien, but looks like young adult Alien on the other hand is great for him, now we are cooking. Someone from his family should bring him to a good doctor ans check his mental health, and stop doing every dumb thing he wants to just because he's big guy in the industry. He did the biggest damage to the franchise Alien 3, 4 and AvP could only dream of by killing Prometheus sequel and Blomkamp's Alien and making Covenant instead and now doing terrible TV show and cheap young adult slasher flick for streaming.
Quote from: Nukiemorph on Mar 04, 2023, 10:42:29 AMDon't Breathe and the Evil Dead remake both had young casts too.
Don't Breathe was an original film, not long established IP. Evil Dead remake is consistent with the original Evil Dead. So both are not good examples.
Quote from: TomT on Mar 04, 2023, 11:38:22 AMQuote from: Nukiemorph on Mar 04, 2023, 10:42:29 AMSo young adults can't possibly go through any journeys worth watching?
In this particular franchise, no. Divergent with Alien is one of the worst things that could happen to this already dead franchise. Ridley talked so much about how he dislikes all Alien sequels/crossovers including James Cameron's one, and how he shouldn't have let it go after first Alien, but looks like young adult Alien on the other hand is great for him, now we are cooking. Someone from his family should bring him to a good doctor ans check his mental health, and stop doing every dumb thing he wants to just because he's big guy in the industry.
I'm pretty damn sure Ridley's involvement in this is negligible. He produces lots of films and shows with zero involvement other than having his name attached and cashing his producers check.
In fact, Ridley is currently directing Sinking Spring on the other side of the world in Philadelphia. After that he will move into pre-production on Gladiator II. Previously he was very busy with Napoleon and the Samsung short film.
You did not learn nothing from PREY and the prejudices about how a PREDATOR should be before seeing it.
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Mar 04, 2023, 11:48:39 AMQuote from: TomT on Mar 04, 2023, 11:38:22 AMQuote from: Nukiemorph on Mar 04, 2023, 10:42:29 AMSo young adults can't possibly go through any journeys worth watching?
In this particular franchise, no. Divergent with Alien is one of the worst things that could happen to this already dead franchise. Ridley talked so much about how he dislikes all Alien sequels/crossovers including James Cameron's one, and how he shouldn't have let it go after first Alien, but looks like young adult Alien on the other hand is great for him, now we are cooking. Someone from his family should bring him to a good doctor ans check his mental health, and stop doing every dumb thing he wants to just because he's big guy in the industry.
I'm pretty damn sure Ridley's involvement in this is negligible. He produces lots of films and shows with zero involvement other than having his name attached and cashing his producers check.
In fact, Ridley is currently directing Sinking Spring on the other side of the world in Philadelphia. After that he will move into pre-production on Gladiator II. Previously he was very busy with Napoleon and the Samsung short film.
The problem is he approved this movie, he called Fede after recalling his pitch and asked him to do it, so he's still very much responsible for it.
It is 2023 and people are still hung up on Twilight?
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Mar 04, 2023, 11:48:39 AMI'm pretty damn sure Ridley's involvement in this is negligible. He produces lots of films and shows with zero involvement other than having his name attached and cashing his producers check.
In fact, Ridley is currently directing Sinking Spring on the other side of the world in Philadelphia. After that he will move into pre-production on Gladiator II. Previously he was very busy with Napoleon and the Samsung short film.
This. Far too many people are freaking out about Ridley's name being attached. It's not his story and his fingers won't be in the pie as much as they were with the prequels.
I just think some of us are making FAR too many assumptions about the story and tone based on a few actor headshots.
You're basically writing a negative review of a movie you've made in your head. I'm going to wait for the actual movie and critique that.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 04, 2023, 12:03:05 PMIt is 2023 and people are still hung up on Twilight?
It was just random example of young adult stuff, nothing more than that. Hunger Games, Divergent, you name it.
Quote from: Nukiemorph on Mar 04, 2023, 12:22:37 PMThis. Far too many people are freaking out about Ridley's name being attached. It's not his story and his fingers won't be in the pie as much as they were with the prequels.
Covenant sequel wouldn't look bad at all compared to this and Howley TV show, I wish Ridley went nuts with it instead.
Quote from: Nukiemorph on Mar 04, 2023, 12:22:37 PMI just think some of us are making FAR too many assumptions about the story and tone based on a few actor headshots.
Actors with baby faces who look like teens with from high school melodramas, another generic Ripley clone, another generic setup, looks like more than enough information to me.
Quote from: Nukiemorph on Mar 04, 2023, 12:22:37 PMYou're basically writing a negative review of a movie you've made in your head. I'm going to wait for the actual movie and critique that.
It would be the case if the franchise didn't consistently disappoint and wasn't handled by incompetent morons at Fox for decades. Why should I wait for another movie to prove once again that water is wet and another Alien movie is a disappointment at best. Especially since it doesn't have anything going for it, no A-list director, no great cast plus terrible concept. Add to that much lower budget and streaming release, and there's no chance it could be good.
Quote from: Nukiemorph on Mar 04, 2023, 12:22:37 PMCovenant sequel wouldn't look bad at all compared to this and Howley TV show, I wish Ridley went nuts with it instead.
thats kind off what i was thinking. people will do a remake of and then people will complain "same old same old". which takes us back to prometheus territory. and they will say maybe scott should have finished the story arc he wanted to tell. maybe its both: a scott story arc combined with a young adult touch. there was a book corporal and co discussed on a recent podcast. not sure if it was a young adult novel but it had a person who only recently discovered his sibling was a android. isnt that what the recent leaked auditions seemed to suggest? or was that the tv series?
i am hoping dan trachtenberg gets involved brings what made prey work to the table. be the first place i would go.
i keep thinking about the rex picket podcast. he siad there is literally hundreds of people in a (if remember correctly) 80 mile radius around los angeles that are so talented and have so many ideas that are brilliant that will never be known or never gets a chance.
many years ago i watched a ted talk about a list of scripts that was compiled by industry people - directors script writers actors producers - a few thousand people were involved and it is updated every so often. this list represented what people thought were the best scripts around. dont know if it exists anymore.
it is a pity a list like that doesnt exist for the alien and predator franchises. i mean the eu has many good stories. maybe some patreon supported project might do the trick.
just a thought.
Quote from: TomT on Mar 04, 2023, 12:51:51 PMQuote from: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 04, 2023, 12:03:05 PMIt is 2023 and people are still hung up on Twilight?
It was just random example of young adult stuff, nothing more than that. Hunger Games, Divergent, you name it.
Quote from: Nukiemorph on Mar 04, 2023, 12:22:37 PMThis. Far too many people are freaking out about Ridley's name being attached. It's not his story and his fingers won't be in the pie as much as they were with the prequels.
Covenant sequel wouldn't look bad at all compared to this and Howley TV show, I wish Ridley went nuts with it instead.
Quote from: Nukiemorph on Mar 04, 2023, 12:22:37 PMI just think some of us are making FAR too many assumptions about the story and tone based on a few actor headshots.
Actors with baby faces who look like teens with from high school melodramas, another generic Ripley clone, another generic setup, looks like more than enough information to me.
Quote from: Nukiemorph on Mar 04, 2023, 12:22:37 PMYou're basically writing a negative review of a movie you've made in your head. I'm going to wait for the actual movie and critique that.
It would be the case if the franchise didn't consistently disappoint and wasn't handled by incompetent morons at Fox for decades. Why should I wait for another movie to prove once again that water is wet and another Alien movie is a disappointment at best. Especially since it doesn't have anything going for it, no A-list director, no great cast plus terrible concept. Add to that much lower budget and streaming release, and there's no chance it could be good.
Charming ::)
Mm. I have high hopes for the film. But I'm also expecting it to be a mediocre experience. I mean I love the Evil Dead remake. I love Don't Breathe. And honestly those are the only two of Alvarez's films that come to mind that I've actually watched.
Quote from: TomT on Mar 04, 2023, 11:38:22 AMDon't Breathe was an original film, not long established IP. Evil Dead remake is consistent with the original Evil Dead. So both are not good examples.
Why? They're literally directed by the guy who's making this new movie. So shouldn't that give some proof that he can handle a younger cast with this IP?
Yes, the previous entries in the Alien franchise may have been misses for you, but the guy who is making it has a good track record with casts like this. The new movie is under a completely different management than the previous films were before the merger and new people came in to take over.
Maybe wait and see before your imagination runs off and you make decisions when a movie hasn't even started filming yet?
Also, Sigourney had quite the baby face in Alien for the time.
Alien: Pre-School
Quote from: Mike's Monsters on Mar 04, 2023, 05:52:17 PMWhy? They're literally directed by the guy who's making this new movie. So shouldn't that give some proof that he can handle a younger cast with this IP?
Just because he can handle a younger cast doesn't mean it's the right thing to do. This IP is not I Know What You Did Last Summer. Do you want to see, let's say, 2001: Space Odyssey sequel as a 90s teen slasher flick?
Quote from: Mike's Monsters on Mar 04, 2023, 05:52:17 PMYes, the previous entries in the Alien franchise may have been misses for you, but the guy who is making it has a good track record with casts like this.
I actually really liked Prometheus, with all its problems. Too bad it never got the actual sequel.
Quote from: Mike's Monsters on Mar 04, 2023, 05:52:17 PMThe new movie is under a completely different management than the previous films were before the merger and new people came in to take over.
And those new people somehow do even worse job than morons at Fox so far, incredible level of incompetence.
Quote from: Mike's Monsters on Mar 04, 2023, 05:52:17 PMMaybe wait and see before your imagination runs off and you make decisions when a movie hasn't even started filming yet?
No, thank you, not with this franchise. Just like you could see from a mile away that Paul Fiege's Ghostbusters is gonna be a massive failure even from the basic idea, you could see the same here. Why do you want to pretend that if Ridley himself with much stronger casts and concepts couldn't do it properly, as well as some films before that, then suddenly a teen slasher flick is gonna rock and ressurect dead franchise?
Quote from: Mike's Monsters on Mar 04, 2023, 05:52:17 PMAlso, Sigourney had quite the baby face in Alien for the time.
No, she didn't, like at all. She had a pretty adult woman face, she didn't look like a school teen like Spaeny and Merced do.
Fede Alvarez has a good track record, and the plot says the cast are young adults, not that the movie is aimed at young adults. The leaked casting videos, as short as they are, also didn't give me the PG-13 vibe.
For now, I'm going to give it the benefit of the doubt, and wait until we get more info.
I think they are trying to re-produce Prey. If it's on par with the quality of Prey then I'm ok with this. However I'm less than happy with Aliens vs Teenagers.
Still, the worst thing they did to Alien is that once prestige franchise with big budget event movies done by A-list directors is now reduced to direct-to-vod content on streaming, that's the real death of any big franchise, not even a bunch of questionable or outright bad movies, or fully wasted potential.
Arguably, it's the only real route available now, because the ideal target demographic isn't interested.
In the current era of prestige TV and premium VOD, Alien might be better off on the small screen, instead of being pit against goliaths in the cinema, such as the MCU.
Tomt.
Fox is a streaming platform with 90% movies en hulo or Disney+ and 10% in cinema.
Adult cinema R Only Hulo.
Commercial movies, high budgets in cinema.
Only premieres in theaters with a small budget independent film and Oscars with limited release
Fox only releases in theaters about two or three a year. Fox Searching two or three too.
PREY was not a direct to dvd it was the same movie as if it were released in theaters just like the new Alien.
This new Alien predates Disney's purchase of Fox.
It is a film with an important director for cinema but Fox after the failure of Covenant blocked it and now the green light thanks to its premiere only on Hulo.
ALL MOVIES R FOX ONLY HULO LESS Independient movies and OSCARS. COMERCIAL MOVIES R IN CINE ONLY DEADPOOL 3. FOX blockbusters in cine only comercial familiar. ALIEN IN CINE PG13 with 200 budget and director Ant-MAN and productor Disney.
ALien is not movie Dinsey, is Fox but en cinema si DISNEY and Fox loos power.
The president of Fox said that PREY and the new Alien on Hulo could be R, more adult, and not for all audiences.
Asbell, the president of Fox, who recently spoke to THR about the future of 20th Century Studios, said that by making the Alien project for Hulo, there would be no pressure to reduce the potential jitters that could arise with considerations of a theatrical release. "It's not a movie that has to be everything to everyone with those gigantic budgets. They become authentically who they are. And this is closer to its genre roots."
Quote from: TomT on Mar 04, 2023, 07:27:29 PMJust because he can handle a younger cast doesn't mean it's the right thing to do. This IP is not I Know What You Did Last Summer. Do you want to see, let's say, 2001: Space Odyssey sequel as a 90s teen slasher flick?
What about
Romulus is painting it as being a "90s teen slasher flick" so far, exactly?
Quote from: TomT on Mar 04, 2023, 07:27:29 PMJust like you could see from a mile away that Paul Fiege's Ghostbusters is gonna be a massive failure even from the basic idea, you could see the same here.
I haven't bothered with a
Ghostbsters movie since
Ghostbusters 2 (and even that one, I don't think was particularly great), but what was the inherent problem with the "basic idea" of Feig's film, exactly? It just looked like like another
Ghostbusters to me, albeit with a new cast. The jokes in the trailer didn't land for me, which is why I didn't bother seeing the movie itself, but on paper there's nothing wrong with the "basic idea" that should have signaled warning signs before the movie even started filming.
If
Romulus ends up looking bad once we see some footage (or, at least, know literally anything about the story), then sure, that'd be cause for concern. But right now all we have is a cast without even an idea of who these actors are playing, and no concrete story details other than it (partially) being set on a colony world.
Quote from: TomT on Mar 04, 2023, 07:53:46 PMStill, the worst thing they did to Alien is that once prestige franchise with big budget event movies done by A-list directors is now reduced to direct-to-vod content on streaming,
Scott, Cameron and Fincher weren't A-listers when they made their films. It was the second movie for Scott and Cameron and first for Fincher.
Quote from: Stitch on Mar 04, 2023, 08:01:38 PMArguably, it's the only real route available now, because the ideal target demographic isn't interested.
That's true, but Prometheus did over 400 mln, would've done even better with fully positive reception. So it's not like it was impossible to do good numbers for big budget R-rated sci-fi film, it needed certain variables and it could've done wonders.
Quote from: Stitch on Mar 04, 2023, 08:01:38 PMIn the current era of prestige TV and premium VOD, Alien might be better off on the small screen, instead of being pit against goliaths in the cinema, such as the MCU.
Not better in terms of quality or budgets, because now it became what all wannabe Alien clones were and it's a damn shame. It could have been Star Wars for adults (I don't mean content, I mean popularity) if it wasn't handled by idiots.
Quote from: Stitch on Mar 04, 2023, 08:01:38 PMsuch as the MCU.
Well, about this one, MCU and superhero genre in general is in big decline, Ant-Man might not even do 500 mln worldwide, so it's not a goliath anymore.
Quote from: SiL on Mar 04, 2023, 08:54:45 PMQuote from: TomT on Mar 04, 2023, 07:53:46 PMStill, the worst thing they did to Alien is that once prestige franchise with big budget event movies done by A-list directors is now reduced to direct-to-vod content on streaming,
Scott, Cameron and Fincher weren't A-listers when they made their films. It was the second movie for Scott and Cameron and first for Fincher.
Scott did The Duellists before Alien which was very well received plus tons of commercials, Cameron did Terminator which was an all-timer before he directed another one with Aliens. But that's true about Fincher though. My comment was more about retrospective of what those directors became after all, even Jean did some amazing stuff with The City of Lost Children and hit an all-timer with Amelie.
I like Evil Dead remake, but the last thing Fede did was that awful reboot of Girl With Dragon Tattoo. It's not like he did a truly amazing debut film and doing Alien right after that, he already directed and produced a bunch of films, he's beyond any promise of what he could become.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 04, 2023, 08:26:30 PMWhat about Romulus is painting it as being a "90s teen slasher flick" so far, exactly?
Cast looks exactly like the one from 90s slasher flicks, in fact even younger. Do you really expect some sophisticated and unique approach with those faces? Alien kinda touched slasher flick with dumb teenagers with AvP: Requiem, this one might be better because of more competent director and because Requiem is that kind of low which is nearly impossible to break further, but it's not gonna be some breath of life for the franchise, just another nail in the coffin.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 04, 2023, 08:26:30 PMbut what was the inherent problem with the "basic idea" of Feig's film, exactly?
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 04, 2023, 08:26:30 PMbut on paper there's nothing wrong with the "basic idea" that should have signaled warning signs before the movie even started filming.
Gender-swapped reboot of a beloved 80s property is a terrible idea, very obviously, it never ever worked, especially when you cast some really unlikable actresses and fill it with poor gender jokes, and push it under the angle that everyone who dislikes it is a misogynist or racist. It was destined to bomb and get terrible reception, it was so obvious even before they started principal photography, one of the most incompetent business decisions I've ever seen. They were supposed to do Ghostbusters 3 before they decided to do a reboot, with old cast training next generation and casting actors like Jonah Hill and Anne Hathaway, that movie would've been successful even if it was average because that's what people actually wanted all this time.
What I see in this thread by some reflect the same views I have. We look at the age of the cast and immediately think, slasher film a la Friday the 13th or AvPR(wolf was the best part honestly.) I still hold out hope that this will surprise all of us and be a monumental success like Prey.
In Prey, Naru's journey felt genuine and relatable. Fingers crossed that the cast and director and pull it off and make a bunch of teens and young adults relatable in this movie to those of us in our late 30's and early 40s.
i think we should wait and see. I don't mind the young adult aspect as long as Alvarez can pull it off. I mean, having read Echo again recently, I personally think there's room for a young adult cast provided they keep the cast convincing, and it doesn't feel contrived and... dumb.
Just no black goo or Engineers, please.
Also, if anyone's watched Don't Breathe, that could very easily serve as a template for an Alien film.
After my angry rant I want to clarify that I'm not against young adult cast in any movie in general, in fact there are a lot of movies with this kind of cast that I really like, including horror films and coming of age stories. But I strongly believe it's very wrong for this particular franchise and I'm mad they killed or ignored much better projects that had a real chance to be something good and revive the franchise, and instead decided to make this and Howley's show. And I greatly dislike the idea of making Alien cheap direct-to-streaming content instead of big event theatrical release.
There were young adult movies in space like Ender's Game and Voyagers, and all of them were mediocrity, I can't think of a single example were it worked. This franchise deserves so much better than one good movie or game in at least 2 decades. Both Alien and Aliens showed what those movies can be, even Alien 3 and Ressurection had their moments. And it breaks my heart every time to see what they do to it.
The period was Prey's strongest and original strength
Performances were passable, dialogue alittle all over the place ( typical hollywood execution of broken English dialogue coupled with out of place contemporary phrases) , somewhat erratic special effects and a narrative that was(structurally) awfully familiar.
Sure the film had some vaguely interesting concepts relating to the Big Bad but only on a cinematic level. Most of the ideas are rather all familiar to Predator fans through other mediums ( novels , comics , games).
Regarding this Directors work ? Ive only watched his Evil Dead movie which was bloody, flat but one lacking in original ideas and ,fundamentally, character. As remakes or retellings go it was all rather pointless though it filled a gap I guess.
The Alien movies are run under Disney now. To think this is not the route they would've gone with, to cast young adult actors to appeal to their demographic, is not accepting reality. Disney will follow the formula of what they think an Alien movie should be, just as they followed a formula for Marvel and Star Wars. Sometimes it land better, sometimes it will land worse.
Anti corporate wokeness will actually land better in the Alien franchise, since those movies have that history, it won't be some big surprise to throw it in Alien series because it has always been there (even though Disney being a voice for hard times has always been laughable). To have young an fiery cast portraying the message won't land, because nobody is going to buy a 21 year old tired and anti corporate space tug pilot/colonist/wildcatter being worn and beat down by the man especially when he has them go look at an Alien derelict somewhere. I'm sure the fact that they should still be in college trying to get a flight license at that age won't occur to Disney because whatever hero they have will be super advanced at everything they do.
It is what it is. I think we will get a somewhat more reasonably structured Alienverse now, without Scotts absolutely batshit insane takes and reimagining, but we will also get less "new" or daring. And we might get too much of everything.
I'll wait and see. I can't agree with TomT because he likes Prometheus which already makes his taste suspect and his judgement flawed.
Quote from: Kimarhi on Mar 05, 2023, 05:33:55 AMI'll wait and see. I can't agree with TomT because he likes Prometheus which already makes his taste suspect and his judgement flawed.
Prometheus is almost great sci-fi film that needed one extra pass on the script to fix dumb stuff and it was also extremely well made and acted. It's not some hot take in any way, in fact it's still the best film in the franchise since Aliens. My taste and judgement are perfectly fine, thank you.
I'm not opposed to young actors. Amber Midthunder was great in Prey; and in the context of the film it made sense and it worked. But with this new Alien film, however, I'm getting "trending" vibes and I feel like I've seen the film already after looking at the young cast. Of course, you gotta be civil and wait and see, but I can't help but roll my eyes a bit.
Quote from: Kimarhi on Mar 05, 2023, 05:33:55 AMThe Alien movies are run under Disney now.
Disney isn't running these productions, no.
Quote from: PsyKore on Mar 05, 2023, 08:30:10 AMI'm not opposed to young actors. Amber Midthunder was great in Prey; and in the context of the film it made sense and it worked. But with this new Alien film, however, I'm getting "trending" vibes and I feel like I've seen the film already after looking at the young cast. Of course, you gotta be civil and wait and see, but I can't help but roll my eyes a bit.
I hate that I feel this, I am one thousand percent more interested in what Noah Hawley does, even if it is to the chagrin of traditionalist fans.
following the success of lost prometheus was diliberately dumbed down by damon lindeloff at the behest of fox. they used it to milk the expectancy of an alien prequel directed by scott and knew that the dissapointment would set up more expectancy for the sequal which turned into "same old same old" and when scott was asked by our own corporal hicks why he returned to the alien in covenant after stating that the beast cooked... i cant exactly remember what he answered. i know fassbender was there as well.
fox made scott go back to the tried and tested and they will do the same here and add young adult to the mix because that will be profitable. in the current "cut and run " economy "for a quick buck" that will kill not only what people who knows the franchise wants but will make it virtually impossable for any kind of success form a director like trachtenburg to follow so that he can lay no claim to any kind success which which follows. look what happened to the thomas brothers in predator. fox/disney had to destroy any kind of claim that could be laid by them so that they could cut up smaller companies to sell it off to as it become no longer viable in the current economy. if fox was profitable they would not have sold it off to disney. therefore they have to cut any possibility of claims to the ip completely down to the ground. thats why you will see woke bullshit all over the place to make people afraid of speaking out against unfair downsizing in the movie industry so that they make people afraid of speaking out agianst it. they will make movies for sure if it is profitable. but it cant be profitable if too many people knows who actually made the ip what it was . and the possibility of possible NO PROFIT scenarious rearing its ugly head in the furure.
so when voodoo magic spoke out about :
"
WHAT WOULD YOU DO IF THE ALIEN FRANCHISE GETS A COURT CASE THAT COULD KILL ANY KIND OF DEVELOPMENT IN A FRANCHISE FOR THE FORESEEABLR FUTURE
"
no one really were as upset as he was .
i also didnt agree with what he said on certain things
BUT
he had undeniable passion for the the predator franchise.
if i was on a forum where i was an alien fan and no one was really upset about what was done to killing off the franchise so god knows what for then i would also leave because i wasnt able to find a kindred spirit.
just sayin.
people who caused a website to be closed down because they cant agree with a director on how a movie was made shouldnt be judging other opinion when they fear the same thing happening to their franchise and website.
thats rich. i also just want to have a discussion. when it matters to me.
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 05, 2023, 08:52:52 AMQuote from: PsyKore on Mar 05, 2023, 08:30:10 AMI'm not opposed to young actors. Amber Midthunder was great in Prey; and in the context of the film it made sense and it worked. But with this new Alien film, however, I'm getting "trending" vibes and I feel like I've seen the film already after looking at the young cast. Of course, you gotta be civil and wait and see, but I can't help but roll my eyes a bit.
I hate that I feel this, I am one thousand percent more interested in what Noah Hawley does, even if it is to the chagrin of traditionalist fans.
Yeah, same. I think Noah Hawley has opportunity to go down different avenues and for generally more originality. I wish him the best for it because I don't really have much faith in this film at the moment.
Quote from: SiL on Mar 05, 2023, 08:47:56 AMQuote from: Kimarhi on Mar 05, 2023, 05:33:55 AMThe Alien movies are run under Disney now.
Disney isn't running these productions, no.
Twentieth Century Fox wasn't sold to Disney in 2019? There might be divisions of studios still in name only, but Disney is going to chart the franchise for as long as they decide to keep it. Kind of like Marvel running the EU. It might be Marvel. It is still Disney.
Quote from: TomT on Mar 05, 2023, 07:48:24 AMQuote from: Kimarhi on Mar 05, 2023, 05:33:55 AMI'll wait and see. I can't agree with TomT because he likes Prometheus which already makes his taste suspect and his judgement flawed.
Prometheus is almost great sci-fi film that needed one extra pass on the script to fix dumb stuff and it was also extremely well made and acted. It's not some hot take in any way, in fact it's still the best film in the franchise since Aliens. My taste and judgement are perfectly fine, thank you.
It is a terrible dogshit film, with bad acting throughout most of the cast, and terrible editing with a nonsensical story based on pure nostalgia trip reflection whose sole purpose was to answer questions nobody gave AF about. It is the second WORST movie over AVPR. Just below Alien Resurrection. It essentially killed the Alien part of the franchise for 7 years because the Prometheus part of the franchise was incapable of carrying anything on its own. I don't kill people actually for liking terrible movies, but I can't trust you. Your taste has been compromised. >:(
Fox movies No Disney movies.
Disney productor Marvel in movies.
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt10954600/companycredits/?ref_=tt_dt_co
Fox/Hulo/Scott
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt18412256/companycredits/?ref_=tt_dt_co
Alien Romulus is before Disney buy Fox.
20th Century picked up the project "purely on the strength of Fede's tone," division president FOX Steve Asbell said. "It was a really good story with a lot of characters you hadn't seen before"
Characters more young is proyect FEDE no DISNEY NO FOX.
he coincidentally pitched a version to Scott many years ago. The idea stayed implanted in Scott's brain until late last year, when he called Álvarez out of the blue and asked if he was still up for it. Alvarez didn't have to ask him twice.
Scott read proyecto Alien FEDE and after FOX green light but Fox or Disney They did not ask for a young cast. That was the director's idea . That is why the president of Fox says that the cast is new and never seen in the saga.
Movies Hulo is different a premiere cinema.
Asbell, the president of Fox, who recently spoke to THR about the future of 20th Century Studios, said that by making the Alien project for Hulo, there would be no pressure to reduce potential jitters that could arise with considerations of a theatrical release. "It's not a movie that has to be everything to everyone with these gigantic budgets. They become authentically who they are. And this is closer to their genre roots."
Bro, it doesn't matter what the idea was beforehand. Disney owns Fox Studios now. They have since march of 2019.
It has been Disney owned for awhile now and the movie probably gets approved BECAUSE it has a young cast. I don't care if it is under Fox Studios. Fox Studios is owned by Disney. The mouse house controls all.
That said, I don't think the young cast is really a detriment in that they are going for a slasher style film, I suspect this whole take is Fed going for a Newt-like perspective on an outbreak. As a kid, I always wondered how I would do in such a situation had I been like Newt, and I'm sure if I had that thought, somebody else that grew up with the franchise had that thought.
I'm wait and see. I have nothing against Alvarez and glad that Scott is not directing. I wish he wasn't even producing. Crazy old f**ker.
Quote from: Kimarhi on Mar 05, 2023, 05:02:44 PMIt is a terrible dogshit film, with bad acting throughout most of the cast, and terrible editing with a nonsensical story based on pure nostalgia trip reflection whose sole purpose was to answer questions nobody gave AF about. It is the second WORST movie over AVPR. Just below Alien Resurrection. It essentially killed the Alien part of the franchise for 7 years because the Prometheus part of the franchise was incapable of carrying anything on its own. I don't kill people actually for liking terrible movies, but I can't trust you. Your taste has been compromised. >:(
I think you need to be more emphatic with regards to your opinion about Prometheus. Most of us on here still haven't the foggiest whether you actually like or hate the bloody film.
Noted. It is always good to educate the new generations. ;)
Quote from: Kimarhi on Mar 05, 2023, 05:02:44 PMTwentieth Century Fox wasn't sold to Disney in 2019? There might be divisions of studios still in name only, but Disney is going to chart the franchise for as long as they decide to keep it. Kind of like Marvel running the EU. It might be Marvel. It is still Disney.
People running Disney and its film department aren't making creative decisions in Alien movies.
Fox is being ran as its own company, making its own choices. Being owned by Disney hasn't changed how they do business. In all honesty, from what I've learned is that they end up having more creative freedom when it comes to these streaming films. So we might get something really special, especially for those who've wanted to go back to the roots of the franchise and the beast itself.
YES KIMARHI but in hulo big autonomy of Fox.
President Fox dixit:
"It's not a movie that has to be everything to everyone with these gigantic budgets. They become authentically who they are. And this is closer to their genre roots."
Fede wanted a young cast before the Fox purchase. And Scott liked that and then Fox.
Disney and Fox do not order this casting, but it is Fede who wants a young one since years ago, as the president says, that was the project that he presented to Fox and now Disney gives it the green light but they are not teenagers (who actually have 25/30 some ) by Disney but FEDE.
New Alien is not all audience in Hulo. In Disney + or in premiere cinema with 200 budget Disney keep a closer eye.
PREY green light becose is premiere hulo. In cinema PG13 and more more comercial style Disney.
PREY is style Fox no Disney. And Romulus is style Fox under Disney but is Fox .
In Hulo Pam and Tommy or Sex Pistols is Fox/FX no Disney. ARE adults series in Disney but NO Disney tone.
After good or bad is posibble but better movie in Hulo with Fox with more liberty and autonomy than premiere cinema with Disney sending much more
In Hulo Disney delegates to Fox and is not interested in this franchise that comes from failing as happened with PREY. If they were interested, it would be released in the cinema, but since it doesn't give money, they don't want to.
That is an advantage for the creative freedom, the adult style of Fox and that is why they only let them premiere this cinema on HULO.
I am going to register in this forum but my English is mediocre. I Understand english but speak regular and whrite bad :-[ .
Sorry xD.
since The Predator in this comment. Now register.
Romulus is officially a prequel or sequel?
Or it is not known too?
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 05, 2023, 08:10:30 PMFrom Variety's version of this article. They are probably just misspeaking here, but obviously I don't know for sure, so I figured this was worth sharing:
QuoteThe untitled project joins the prequel series, which first premiered in 2012, with "Prometheus," followed by "Alien: Covenant."
https://variety.com/2023/film/news/new-alien-movie-plot-synopsis-full-cast-1235542570/
Mmm... that's contrary to The Hollywood Reporter's original scoop:
Quote from: THRÁlvarez's take is being kept deep inside the studio's chest cavity, but sources describe it as unconnected to the previous movies.
That derelict ship may yet be the Covenant with all the good souls aboard.
Ended up moving that bit of speculation over to the catch-all thread – seemed like a better fit there – but aye, I'd really be all over the idea of the long-since-abandoned Covenant showing up on some random colony's doorstep at any point in the timeline.
Still, I'm not expecting any explicit, direct connections to the previous films like that. But... one can hope and speculate a bit during these early days!
Quote from: SiL on Mar 05, 2023, 07:30:36 PMQuote from: Kimarhi on Mar 05, 2023, 05:02:44 PMTwentieth Century Fox wasn't sold to Disney in 2019? There might be divisions of studios still in name only, but Disney is going to chart the franchise for as long as they decide to keep it. Kind of like Marvel running the EU. It might be Marvel. It is still Disney.
People running Disney and its film department aren't making creative decisions in Alien movies.
The company that buys the other companies has the final say on the bought companies. Maybe in straya country yall do things different, but in America, if you paid all that money to buy another company, you the buyer will have the final say. Despite what corporate stooges might tell you about artistic freedom. Now, they might be letting Fox studios run the movies the way they want to run them. Seeing the very disney like cast I have my doubts, but even if they are, that is still because DISNEY LET THEM. The final say for everything will be stamped by Disney. I was part of a corporation that bought a dozen other corporations. Those other corporations don't get to do what the f**k they want after the buyout. They did what WE wanted. Sometimes what we wanted aligned with what they did, sometimes it didn't.
unconnected to the previous movies
Ok but that does not mean that it is not the same universe even if it does not continue a plot and is more independent like Prometheus.
From PREY it was said that it was independent within the same universe and was not connected to others as it was a remote sequel.
Is ambiguous and compatible with it being the same universe and one chronologically prior to Alien
It's a big universe and it would be stupid to do a total reboot when these movies are far apart and don't bother each other to decide on a reboot.
They can tell many stories in a soft reboot in the Alien universe of 79 and not return of zero.
Quote from: Kimarhi on Mar 05, 2023, 09:36:22 PMQuote from: SiL on Mar 05, 2023, 07:30:36 PMQuote from: Kimarhi on Mar 05, 2023, 05:02:44 PMTwentieth Century Fox wasn't sold to Disney in 2019? There might be divisions of studios still in name only, but Disney is going to chart the franchise for as long as they decide to keep it. Kind of like Marvel running the EU. It might be Marvel. It is still Disney.
People running Disney and its film department aren't making creative decisions in Alien movies.
The company that buys the other companies has the final say on the bought companies. Maybe in straya country yall do things different, but in America, if you paid all that money to buy another company, you the buyer will have the final say. Despite what corporate stooges might tell you about artistic freedom. Now, they might be letting Fox studios run the movies the way they want to run them. Seeing the very disney like cast I have my doubts, but even if they are, that is still because DISNEY LET THEM. The final say for everything will be stamped by Disney. I was part of a corporation that bought a dozen other corporations. Those other corporations don't get to do what the f**k they want after the buyout. They did what WE wanted. Sometimes what we wanted aligned with what they did, sometimes it didn't.
Arguably yes and no. It makes sense that the company which has taken over has final say, because they are the owners.
However, it's possible that the companies which have been taken over (20th Century Studios, in this case), are legally required to be run as separate entities. We don't know the ins and outs of the takeover, but there may be stipulations set in place by monopoly and antitrust laws that require the House of Mouse to be hands off.
That would seem to be pretty stupid on Disney's part, to acquire a studio and be forced to be hands off. By choice. But trying to figure out Californians, who can really?
I'll say I don't buy it, but you guys can have the victory. I don't want to argue with Sil for twenty pages because he's Aussie and is hardheaded and deliberately inserted himself between me and my true victim, TomT. >:(
It's not about being forced to be hands off. It's buying an asset that takes care of itself. They put management in place who they trusted to run the company and then let the company run. If something egregious happens they can step in, but Disney isn't micro managing subsidiary productions.
Quote from: Kimarhi on Mar 05, 2023, 05:02:44 PMIt is a terrible dogshit film, with bad acting throughout most of the cast, and terrible editing with a nonsensical story based on pure nostalgia trip reflection whose sole purpose was to answer questions nobody gave AF about. It is the second WORST movie over AVPR. Just below Alien Resurrection. It essentially killed the Alien part of the franchise for 7 years because the Prometheus part of the franchise was incapable of carrying anything on its own. I don't kill people actually for liking terrible movies, but I can't trust you. Your taste has been compromised. >:(
You are absolutely wrong, in fact you make me question your tastes and especially your sanity, the fact that you believe that Prometheus is worse than Alien vs Predator (!!) and Ressurection and yet you dare to parrot something something about taste is crazy, like no self-awareness. Here's a simple fact for you: Prometheus is still the highest grossing movie in the franchise by far unadjusted and the highest grossing space horror, so your claim that Prometheus part is incapable of carrying anything on its own is factually false, in fact, as soon as they bringed back xenomorph and Alien in the title it bombed, Prometheus part was much more promising and where the franchise should have headed.
"Highest grossing unadjusted" isn't a terribly meaningful metric since that honour was previously held by AvP.
This is getting ridiculous
Aliens: Wraith featured a pretty young cast... ;D
Also haven't seen this mentioned but it appears this chap will be playing a role as well, he doesn't appear too young, you're welcome -
https://twitter.com/REKKHAN/status/1618460115195293699?s=20
Peace,
Necro II and MUTHUR
Quote from: TomT on Mar 06, 2023, 01:28:16 AMQuote from: Kimarhi on Mar 05, 2023, 05:02:44 PMIt is a terrible dogshit film, with bad acting throughout most of the cast, and terrible editing with a nonsensical story based on pure nostalgia trip reflection whose sole purpose was to answer questions nobody gave AF about. It is the second WORST movie over AVPR. Just below Alien Resurrection. It essentially killed the Alien part of the franchise for 7 years because the Prometheus part of the franchise was incapable of carrying anything on its own. I don't kill people actually for liking terrible movies, but I can't trust you. Your taste has been compromised. >:(
You are absolutely wrong, in fact you make me question your tastes and especially your sanity, the fact that you believe that Prometheus is worse than Alien vs Predator (!!) and Ressurection and yet you dare to parrot something something about taste is crazy, like no self-awareness. Here's a simple fact for you: Prometheus is still the highest grossing movie in the franchise by far unadjusted and the highest grossing space horror, so your claim that Prometheus part is incapable of carrying anything on its own is factually false, in fact, as soon as they bringed back xenomorph and Alien in the title it bombed, Prometheus part was much more promising and where the franchise should have headed.
Please. Prometheus only claim to fame was that it was tied into the Alien franchise and that it had a good trailer. You had a bunch of soon to be disappointed Alien fans all lined up and pre-queued to watch the movie before hand, and more casuals than usual because of the outstanding trailer, that actually made it look like it was going to be competently made and scary.
As Sil pointed out, AVP was the third highest grossing movie in the franchise before Prometheus. Going by box office numbers alone, is AvP some kind of masterstroke of cinema? Also, you should give props to AvP since Prometheus stole the first quarter of the movie from it.
:laugh:
Quote from: Necronomicon II on Mar 06, 2023, 06:31:30 AMAliens: Wraith featured a pretty young cast... ;D
Also haven't seen this mentioned but it appears this chap will be playing a role as well, he doesn't appear too young, you're welcome -
https://twitter.com/REKKHAN/status/1618460115195293699?s=20
Peace,
Necro II and MUTHUR
I'm thinking more and more this is going to be a newt-like perspective movie. The adults are all going to be killed early on, or going to be outside the immediate focus, while the young uns have to try and figure out how to survive. If they hide in the vents they will probably get extra cool nostalgia points from the crowd.
Quote from: SiL on Mar 06, 2023, 05:55:40 AM"Highest grossing unadjusted" isn't a terribly meaningful metric since that honour was previously held by AvP.
AvP did just 177 mln while being PG-13. Prometheus did 400+ mln while being R-rated, which is A LOT for a space horror even today, in fact nothing in the genre will ever touch those numbers again.
Quote from: Kimarhi on Mar 06, 2023, 07:23:57 AMAs Sil pointed out, AVP was the third highest grossing movie in the franchise before Prometheus. Going by box office numbers alone, is AvP some kind of masterstroke of cinema? Also, you should give props to AvP since Prometheus stole the first quarter of the movie from it.
AvP did more than twice less with PG-13 and had much worse reception, so it's not even comparable obviously. If we ignore box office, Prometheus reception was also the best one since Aliens, it's a fact.
Quote from: TomT on Mar 06, 2023, 07:53:07 AMAvP did just 177 mln while being PG-13. Prometheus did 400+ mln while being R-rated, which is A LOT for a space horror even today, in fact nothing in the genre will ever touch those numbers again.
Cool but it was still the highest grossing film not adjusted.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 05, 2023, 08:56:15 PMEnded up moving that bit of speculation over to the catch-all thread – seemed like a better fit there – but aye, I'd really be all over the idea of the long-since-abandoned Covenant showing up on some random colony's doorstep at any point in the timeline.
Still, I'm not expecting any explicit, direct connections to the previous films like that. But... one can hope and speculate a bit during these early days!
I would kind of imagine they might try and tie up the prequels without actually making a direct third prequel consisting of Alien Covenant's surviving cast. It's kinda messy leaving Alien Covenant hanging while raring off to make a new Alien film.
As a loose sequel to Alien Covenant, perhaps The Company sent out a new colony ship to Origae-6 but after several decades, the missing Covenant finally arives at it's intended destination. The salvage crew then gets to explore this veritable house-of-horrors filled with David's gruesome failed experiments with Daniels and Tennessee perhaps having suffered the same fate as Shaw.
The final showdown could involve David's ultimate creation, the biomechanical Alien, for which he sacrificed his own body. But has he uploaded his own consciousness into the ship's AI?
It was messy to do Covenant instead of Prometheus sequel in the first place, but they just don't care, Ridley didn't care and just wanted to quickly rid of the film he lost interest in before principal photography, fulfill the contract and move on to other things.
Quote from: Necronomicon II on Mar 06, 2023, 06:31:30 AMAliens: Wraith featured a pretty young cast... ;D
Also haven't seen this mentioned but it appears this chap will be playing a role as well, he doesn't appear too young, you're welcome -
https://twitter.com/REKKHAN/status/1618460115195293699?s=20
Peace,
Necro II and MUTHUR
I saw a good few posts from him about Romulus over Jan. I think he was just talking about auditioning.
This direct to video feature and that upcoming tv show proves that Prometheus/Covenant killed the franchise. Couldn't care less now as I've come to accept it few years ago.
Rumor has the budget at $75 million...
I don't think it's completely fair to write it off as "direct to video" as if it's a cheap Tremors sequel.
Quote from: reecebomb on Mar 06, 2023, 01:38:22 PMThis direct to video feature and that upcoming tv show proves that Prometheus/Covenant killed the franchise. Couldn't care less now as I've come to accept it few years ago.
I'm sorry to be so blunt, but this kind of response will always be incorrect. We saw it so much with Prey and it was blatantly wrong there too. Streaming isn't direct-to-video. The analogy doesn't work. It's not the same industry anymore.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 06, 2023, 02:38:40 PMQuote from: reecebomb on Mar 06, 2023, 01:38:22 PMThis direct to video feature and that upcoming tv show proves that Prometheus/Covenant killed the franchise. Couldn't care less now as I've come to accept it few years ago.
I'm sorry to be so blunt, but this kind of response will always be incorrect. We saw it so much with Prey and it was blatantly wrong there too. Streaming isn't direct-to-video. The analogy doesn't work. It's not the same industry anymore.
I know it's not technically accurate as times have changed etc, I admit it was more of derogatory of way of saying it.
But it doesn't make much difference to me, Alien as a franchise was always more valuable than Predator, new Alien film should have been a cinematic event to be enjoyed in cinemas and is no longer seen as worthy for such a release. The standards have been lowered even if the budget is quite high.
Straight to streaming usually means uninspired corporate drivel. Nothing about this Romulus has inspired confidence, the news about the cast surely doesn't. There are of course exceptions, Prey luckily turned out alright.
Thing is if you take out everything that made the original films what they are, Alien is just another (bland) b-grade creature feature sprinkled with a multimillion dollar gloss. As a result the franchise get devalued even more. But no longer don't expect nothing from it anyway and seems like many don't as this page has become pretty vacant, even 10 years ago it would have been chock-full of fans clamoring for news/discussions as a new Alien film is coming out, it should have been huge. Now it seems it couldn't be more meh.
Yeah.
I explained it before. Fox is 90% a streaming studio and they only release movies very very commercial since 2023. Before , they released all of Fox by contract prior to the purchase of Disney, which forced them to release in cinemas such as New Mutants,Harrison Ford movie with dog,West Side Story etc. They are box office flops. Disney knew they would fail but they were forced to release in cinema. The president of Disney confirmed this . And in 2023 only cinema very comercial movies ( 2 or 3 in year ) and few of Oscars and independiente movies Fox with limited premiere like Netflix.
IS dificult premiere in cinema a movie Fox in general becose are movies adult, R or few comercial in general. Sagas like Alien, Predator are bomb but only 3 comercial in year is very few. Only Avatar, Free Guy 2, Ape4 in next years...
Requirements are hard for premiere in cienema. Few movies Fox comply this. Alien o PREY are not exception. Is a normality in general to movies Fox.
And cinematic quality on a digital platform has nothing to do with direct to DVD like The Irishman, Roma, Blonde,Glass Onion, Russo movies..Great directors premiere on platforms.
IS new life to movies. New industry.
PREY for example.
Alien and Predator more liberty R adult in Hulo than cinema.
OLD FOX in Hulo. NEW Fox in cinema equal Disney 2.0 ( in movies comercial).
Quote from: reecebomb on Mar 06, 2023, 04:00:45 PMStraight to streaming usually means uninspired corporate drivel. Nothing about this Romulus has inspired confidence, the news about the cast surely doesn't. There are of course exceptions, Prey luckily turned out alright.
That's one way of looking at it. Another way is that for streaming, the studio won't be looking to maximise profits of a theatrical release, and the writer and director can release a film which could have less studio interference.
I think a lot of folks here miss the fact that a lot of made-for-streaming movies are hot garbage and it's not a coincedence. All those screams about "more freedom/less studio interference" mean pretty much nothing when you look at output which speaks volumes. Most filmmakers do their worst job on streaming, it's a fact, streaming movies have bloated budgets and often look and feel like uninspired shit because of generic cheap digital photography and overreliance on CGI/green screen, and both directors and actors don't put nearly as much effort in them as in traditional studio theatrical releases, even giants like Fincher and to lesser extent Scorsese. While I liked Mank, it was one of lesser Fincher films. Joseph Kosinski did a movie for Netflix and it was his worst film by far and instantly forgotten, released right near his best and most successful film which overshadowed that miss. The Irishman would've been better if it was done by a traditional studio, Scorsese needs more restraint. Only Apple tries to force at least some quality control other streaming platforms don't have.
Actors outright consider streaming as nothing more than a place where they can earn some big bucks, they are paid a lot more for those flicks than for studio films, they never technically fail because they are not released in theaters and streaming platforms often hide their numbers, and they put a lot less effort in them, you can very clearly see that in their perfomances. Just look at Jamie Fox, he is now afraid to even star in a theatrical films and does only Netflix trash.
And Prey is definitely not example of some exceptional film that refutes that. In fact, its reception still baffles me, it's an average film which might be better than Black's Predator, but worse than both Predator 2 and Predators. And if its budget had really been $65 mln, it would've been even worse than that because it would look like a money laundrey.
Hellraiser reboot was even worse, it wasn't even "ok" like Prey was. Both movies are typical streaming releases that don't have a polish or care good quality theatrical releases have. Romulus won't be any different, just another content to fill Hulu's library and be instantly forgotten.
Quote from: reecebomb on Mar 06, 2023, 01:38:22 PMThis direct to video feature and that upcoming tv show proves that Prometheus/Covenant killed the franchise. Couldn't care less now as I've come to accept it few years ago.
Just Covenant, Prometheus was a success. They killed Prometheus sequel and did Covenant instead which bombed and effectively killed the franchise.
Quote from: Nukiemorph on Mar 06, 2023, 01:48:23 PMRumor has the budget at $75 million...
I don't think it's completely fair to write it off as "direct to video" as if it's a cheap Tremors sequel.
If it's $75 mln like Prey was supposedly $65 mln (I won't ever belive its budget was anywhere near it), then we are in for something really cheap.
Quote from: reecebomb on Mar 06, 2023, 04:00:45 PMAlien as a franchise was always more valuable than Predator, new Alien film should have been a cinematic event to be enjoyed in cinemas and is no longer seen as worthy for such a release
Straight to streaming usually means uninspired corporate drivel. Nothing about this Romulus has inspired confidence, the news about the cast surely doesn't.
Right on the money here.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 06, 2023, 08:05:38 PMQuote from: TomT on Mar 06, 2023, 06:53:17 PMScorsese needs more restraint.
No thank you.
I didn't mean that restraint, he is a final cut director, he's had it for decades. What I mean is more self-control, he had it before. When you are given an infinite budget and no limits whatsoever it can negatively affect the movie too, there are many examples where reasonable limitations and second thoughts made the movie better. I really like The Irishman, but it's not Goodfellas or Casino.
Quote from: TomT on Mar 06, 2023, 06:53:17 PMIf it's $75 mln like Prey was supposedly $65 mln (I won't ever belive its budget was anywhere near it), then we are in for something really cheap.
Not necessarily. I think Alien's 8.5 million dollar budget in 1978 amounts to about 40 million today. Good production design can do wonders. Big budget or not, I think it depends on that. Some massively budgeted films today look cheap (I'm thinking of Love and Thunder specifically).
PREY ( and other movies streaming) is more careful than many Marvel.
Marvel doesn't give the fx team time. Blockbuster in cinema in general have little fx care due to lack of time.
Ant-Man 3, Thor 3, Tarzan,... less quality fx than PREY in him context of movie small.
Blockbusters in cinema is a drama of fx and little quiality. The Predator less quality than PREY in fx with 90 mill budget...( scenes dogs in mediocre fx, very bad , more bad than bear in PREY with 90 mill¡¡¡¡) Problems production in cinema is normal like The Predator( or Matrix 4 with fx low). Mad Max,Dune , Top Gun or Avatar is no normality in cinema is excepcion.
I cinema generic fotography is normal in blockbusters too. Problems cine comercial/blockbusters in premiere cinema and streaming. ALL cinema is crisis in comercial movies. Fx in Indiana jones 4 is ugly.
PREY is good in fotography and fx. Inteligent use fx in this movie. In Marvel very ambicius, bid budget , few time. People FX work a lot of and few money. Is a DRAMA.
Marvel representing blockbusters in last years in the world and 90% movies are ugly in fx and regular in quality.
PREY has merit , more artesanal film than mayority films abuse CGI in premiere cinema. And new Alien in fx like previus films Fede. I am sure, style Fede with dir foto good.
The Irishman is top 5 Scorsese, a masterpiece. The Departed for example is overrated with Oscars better movie.
Quote from: Valaquen on Mar 06, 2023, 09:45:47 PMNot necessarily. I think Alien's 8.5 million dollar budget in 1978 amounts to about 40 million today. Good production design can do wonders. Big budget or not, I think it depends on that. Some massively budgeted films today look cheap (I'm thinking of Love and Thunder specifically).
Alien would cost a lot more than 40 mln today and Aliens would cost well over 100 mln, we should count not only inflation, but also all the changes in production and cost since then, movies became a lot more expensive to make in 90s. Alien looks more expensive than its knock off Life which cost $58 mln, so you can bet it'd cost around 80 mln today.
Quote from: Valaquen on Mar 06, 2023, 09:45:47 PMSome massively budgeted films today look cheap (I'm thinking of Love and Thunder specifically).
Agree, but in case of Marvel stuff it's just bad craft in general, they don't do real principal photography, they do everything in post and force poor VFX artists to change the entire scenes weeks before release when it requires months to properly finish them, they greenscreen everything, even hotel rooms and pistols in characters' hands, it's a terrible approach to filmmaking to the point it doesn't feel like real filmmaking. Add to that terrible technology Volume they started using in their recent movies like Thor 4 and Ant-Man 3 which made them look even worse, and you get what you get.
Quote from: RIP77 on Mar 06, 2023, 10:17:48 PMPREY ( and other movies streaming) is more careful than many Marvel.
PREY is good in fotography and fx. Inteligent use fx in this movie. In Marvel very ambicius, bid budget , few time. People FX work a lot of and few money. Is a DRAMA.
Marvel representing blockbusters in last years in the world and 90% movies are ugly in fx and regular in quality.
PREY has merit , more artesanal film than mayority films abuse CGI in premiere cinema. And new Alien in fx like previus films Fede. I am sure, style Fede with dir foto good.
The Irishman is top 5 Scorsese, a masterpiece. The Departed for example is overrated with Oscars better movie.
I thought Prey's CGI was often poor, especially invisibility effect looked so bad even Predator 1/2 invisibility looked better, you can see it was a low budget production, real locations were its saving grace and made it look better than it would have if it relied on CGI more, but those CGI animals didn't look great either. Again, if it cost 20 mln or less, it's totally fine. if cost around 10 mln, it's impressive. But if it cost $65 mln, it's just unforgivable.
TomT's hot takes are worse than mine.
Quote from: TomT on Mar 06, 2023, 11:06:30 PMAlien would cost a lot more than 40 mln today and Aliens would cost well over 100 mln,
Not if the productions were smart about where they spent.
QuoteAlien looks more expensive than its knock off Life which cost $58 mln, so you can bet it'd cost around 80 mln today.
Life had A-listers in its cast. Its sets were also built from scratch -- the Nostromo interiors are largely scrapped together from aircraft parts -- and they simulated zero gravity for the whole movie. The monster also couldn't be played by a man in a rubber suit.
Just for reference - I had a gander at the actor ages.
Cailee Spaeny - 24
David Jonsson - 28/29
Archie Renaux - 25
Spike Fearn - 29
Aileen Wu - ???
Isabela Merced - 21
Quote from: Kimarhi on Mar 07, 2023, 02:55:34 AMTomT's hot takes are worse than mine.
None of my takes are hot, most are based on numbers and well known facts.
Quote from: SiL on Mar 07, 2023, 04:26:46 AMNot if the productions were smart about where they spent.
Aliens is a blockbuster, it would cost at least as much as Prometheus today. Sigourney would've gotten much more than 1 mln since salaries increased significantly too. Alien could cost less than 80 mln, but not by much if it was done as A level production.
Quote from: Kimarhi on Mar 07, 2023, 02:55:34 AMLife had A-listers in its cast.
Only 2 of them and only one is usually expensive, but Reynolds had a supporting part, so I doubt he robbed the studio here plus he only started to rise at the time. Jake was never money hungry, I highly doubt he got a fat paycheck. The rest of the cast got even less. It's not that big difference from Alien cast.
Quote from: Kimarhi on Mar 07, 2023, 02:55:34 AMIts sets were also built from scratch -- the Nostromo interiors are largely scrapped together from aircraft parts -- and they simulated zero gravity for the whole movie. The monster also couldn't be played by a man in a rubber suit.
Alien sets would've been built from scratch too if it was done today, and man in a suit would play only in close shots.
I think as much as I generally disagree with TomT, he has a point on this, sure you can feisably make it like yesteryears but that itself makes for a pretty hollow hypothetical because nobody will.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 07, 2023, 08:24:17 AMJust for reference - I had a gander at the actor ages.
Cailee Spaeny - 24
David Jonsson - 28/29
Archie Renaux - 25
Spike Fearn - 29
Aileen Wu - ???
Isabela Merced - 21
That says it all. This isn't Alien for my generation; they're done with us. And that's okay, I'll always have three wonderful films.
Quote from: Mr. Clemens on Mar 07, 2023, 10:46:12 AMQuote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 07, 2023, 08:24:17 AMJust for reference - I had a gander at the actor ages.
Cailee Spaeny - 24
David Jonsson - 28/29
Archie Renaux - 25
Spike Fearn - 29
Aileen Wu - ???
Isabela Merced - 21
That says it all. This isn't Alien for my generation; they're done with us. And that's okay, I'll always have three wonderful films.
Is it that difficult to empathize with younger people? And I mean... they're not THAT young, but even if they were, some of my favorites of the expanded universe are Alien: Echo and Aliens: Dust to Dust, which has teen and kid protagonists respectively. I think it's an interesting prospect seeing the how young adults who have come of age in colony life handle a Xenomorph situation.
And believe it or not Sigourney Weaver was 28 years old when Alien began filming.
Quote from: RidgeTop on Mar 07, 2023, 11:32:21 AMAnd believe it or not Sigourney Weaver was 28 years old when Alien began filming.
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Quote from: RidgeTop on Mar 07, 2023, 11:32:21 AMAnd believe it or not Sigourney Weaver was 28 years old when Alien began filming.
And Harry Dean Stanton was 50.
But it's about intent, it's who it's aimed at. This cast list sends a message.
PREY had a young cast and that doesn't mean it's just a teen movie. PREY is not Stranger things.
Covenant and prometheus have adults who behave like teenagers. And typical teen horror scenes like the shower in Covenant. OR scenes teen for adults en Prometheus like the biologist doing the child
PREY is mature and adult with adolescents.More tan Covenant.
WITH teens is not the same as for teens.
Romulus in Hulu is different a premiere cinema. Public is different. In Hulu more adult than Disney + or premiere cinema.
In Hulu Fox is adult plataform. El presidente de Fox dijo que new Alien and PREY are public more adult in Hulu tan premiere cinema becose more presion and control for boxoffice. In Hulu new Alien is more adult and less comercial movie, i thing.
Fede decided tone Romulus but adolescent movie... i to see to believe.
Quote from: Mr. Clemens on Mar 07, 2023, 12:33:04 PMQuote from: RidgeTop on Mar 07, 2023, 11:32:21 AMAnd believe it or not Sigourney Weaver was 28 years old when Alien began filming.
And Harry Dean Stanton was 50.
But it's about intent, it's who it's aimed at. This cast list sends a message.
Ah yes, because the cast is absolutely limited to just this handful of names that we have so far and they aren't going to be adding any additional older actors to the cast list. It's a pretty sparsely populated colony world made up of only half a dozen or so settlers, after all.
Not sure I really understand this whole "some the lead actors are younger than me so therefore this movie isn't aimed squarely at me" mentality, either...
Quote from: RIP77 on Mar 07, 2023, 12:38:45 PMPREY had a young cast and that doesn't mean it's just a teen movie. PREY is not Stranger things.
Covenant and prometheus have adults who behave like teenagers. And typical teen horror scenes like the shower in Covenant. OR scenes teen for adults en Prometheus like the biologist doing the child
PREY is mature and adult with adolescents.More tan Covenant.
WITH teens is not the same as for teens.
Romulus in Hulo is different a premiere cinema. Public is different. In Hulo more adult than Disney + or premiere cinema.
In Hulo Fox is adult plataform. El presidente de Fox dijo que new Alien and PREY are public more adult in Hulo tan premiere cinema becose more presion and control for boxoffice. In Hulo new Alien is more adult and less comercial movie, i thing.
Fede decided tone Romulus but adolescent movie... i to see to believe.
I don't mean to be pedantic, but isn't Hulu not Hulo?
Also, I think a lot of people are jumping to conclusions here and should temper their expectations. We really don't know anything about this film yet. What I find super interesting, however, is the following from Variety:
QuoteThe untitled project joins the prequel series, which first premiered in 2012, with "Prometheus," followed by "Alien: Covenant." The prequel series is the latest iteration, and follows the original series which began in 1979, with "Alien," followed by "Aliens," "Alien 3," "Alien Resurrection," and then the crossover series which began in 2004, with "Alien vs. Predator" and "Aliens vs. Predator: Requiem."
Does this mean that we will be getting a conclusion or continuation to the story from Alien:Covenant? Previously, this film was pitched as a standalone story, but we have seen these kinds of marketing shenanigans before. Remember when Prometheus was "not an Alien movie but existed in the same universe"? Also, Fede pitched the story to Ridley Scott. Scott or Scott Free do not own Alien, but it was important to get his involvement with the story. If the colony in this film is made up of relatively young people, it could be akin to what we saw in Raised by Wolves: an upstart colony predominantly made up of young people who encounter mysteries on the home planet where the story is told. Could it be that the Covenant is a form of derelict that is found there? Just speculating. I also thought about this when I saw the crashed ship in the Noah Hawley Alien art (giant WY ship crashed into a metro area with Alien eggs inside). I would be all for the "David storyline" to conclude.
Quote from: TomT on Mar 07, 2023, 09:07:28 AMQuote from: Kimarhi on Mar 07, 2023, 02:55:34 AMTomT's hot takes are worse than mine.
None of my takes are hot, most are based on numbers and well known facts.
Quote from: SiL on Mar 07, 2023, 04:26:46 AMNot if the productions were smart about where they spent.
Aliens is a blockbuster, it would cost at least as much as Prometheus today. Sigourney would've gotten much more than 1 mln since salaries increased significantly too. Alien could cost less than 80 mln, but not by much if it was done as A level production.
Quote from: Kimarhi on Mar 07, 2023, 02:55:34 AMLife had A-listers in its cast.
Only 2 of them and only one is usually expensive, but Reynolds had a supporting part, so I doubt he robbed the studio here plus he only started to rise at the time. Jake was never money hungry, I highly doubt he got a fat paycheck. The rest of the cast got even less. It's not that big difference from Alien cast.
Quote from: Kimarhi on Mar 07, 2023, 02:55:34 AMIts sets were also built from scratch -- the Nostromo interiors are largely scrapped together from aircraft parts -- and they simulated zero gravity for the whole movie. The monster also couldn't be played by a man in a rubber suit.
Alien sets would've been built from scratch too if it was done today, and man in a suit would play only in close shots.
If you are going to quote somebody get the name right you prince of evil.
Quote from: RidgeTop on Mar 07, 2023, 11:32:21 AMAnd believe it or not Sigourney Weaver was 28 years old when Alien began filming.
Number is not a problem, look is. Sigourney didn't look like a glamorous tik tok teen. Isabela Merced looks like Addison Rae. I have nothing against them, but I don't want to see this kind of cast in Alien movie and they are clearly targeting a very specific type for the cast, both lead actresses look like 14 years old with the same height.
They cast 30+ year old as 18 years old in Terminator: Dark Fate, again, because of certain type and look.
Quote from: Kimarhi on Mar 07, 2023, 05:04:45 PMIf you are going to quote somebody get the name right you prince of evil.
What?)
Quote from: TomT on Mar 07, 2023, 07:59:08 PMNumber is not a problem, look is. Sigourney didn't look like a glamorous tik tok teen. Isabela Merced looks like Addison Rae. I have nothing against them, but I don't want to see this kind of cast in Alien movie and they are clearly targeting a certain type for the cast.
You're making assumptions based on appearances in other films or publicity. We haven't even seen any of the costume or make-up of these actors in this film.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 07, 2023, 08:05:19 PMYou make assumptions based on appearances in other films or publicity. We haven't even seen any of the costume or make-up of these actors in this film.
Do you think they are gonna look more mature in the movie? Then what was the point to cast actors that specifically look like teenagers? Clearly with their height, posture and face features they are not gonna make them look like adults and that's not the plan, otherwise they would've cast someone else.
"I like griping".
Quote from: TomT on Mar 07, 2023, 08:11:24 PMQuote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 07, 2023, 08:05:19 PMYou make assumptions based on appearances in other films or publicity. We haven't even seen any of the costume or make-up of these actors in this film.
Do you think they are gonna look more mature in the movie? Then what was the point to cast actors that specifically look like teenagers? Clearly with their height, posture and face features they are not gonna make them look like adults and that's not the plan, otherwise they would've cast someone else.
They definitely won't look as nice as their well lit headshots that are meant to show off their features. Lighting and camera work on set can make them look a lot older, or even set the right tone.
I think todays generation literally looks younger than the same age people from the 70's & 80's. I honestly can't tell who's a teen or in their 20's these days as a 35 year old man. A lot here would be complaining about Sigourney being cast if ALIEN were made today.
Quote from: TomT link=msg=2596426 date=1678180048xAliens is a blockbuster, it would cost at least as much as Prometheus today.
It's not, and never was.
QuoteAlien could cost less than 80 mln, but not by much if it was done as A level production.
Again, not true.
QuoteAlien sets would've been built from scratch too if it was done today, and man in a suit would play only in close shots.
Unless the production designer has access to airline scrap - it's still something productions do - and the director wanted guy in a suit.
There's nothing about Alien that's particularly expensive for a movie. Limited sets. Cgi planet and spaceship these days. It's not a huge production - $40m is entirely feasible.
We know lower budget films can be done well because we have examples in our own franchise. So the dollar amount doesn't bother me personally. I'd feel more comfortable knowing what kind of movie they were making though. Alien or Aliens style. Something different?
Smaller budget I'd feel less good about if it was supposed to be something like Aliens.
Quote from: SiL on Mar 07, 2023, 09:34:01 PMIt's not, and never was.
Always was, it's silly to even deny that, it wasn't a B movie, it was expensive film for its time and it actually cost almost twice more than Spielberg's ET which was released just few years before that. Aliens would cost well over 100 mln today, it's a fact, Sigourney would've gotten at least 5 mln, not 1. You can find many examples of what was considered a blockbuster around that time and just compare their budgets. Top Gun released the same year cost less than Aliens and now we have a direct sequel today which cost 170 mln to make, the difference in cost of making a movie is HUGE.
Quote from: SiL on Mar 07, 2023, 09:34:01 PMAgain, not true.
Because?
Quote from: SiL on Mar 07, 2023, 09:34:01 PMUnless the production designer has access to airline scrap - it's still something productions do - and the director wanted guy in a suit.
There's nothing about Alien that's particularly expensive for a movie. Limited sets. Cgi planet and spaceship these days. It's not a huge production - $40m is entirely feasible.
I'm not interested in "these days" style of filmmaking, we were talking about equal quality production, not an inferior way to do it. So we are talking about actual sets of LV-426 planet surface (and green screen for far backgrounds), derelict, juggernaut interior with eggs and engineer pilot sets, Nostromo sets, space VFX, Alien VFX (practical in close shots and CGI in wider shots). We are seeing a lot less real sets because they are more expensive than ever. Life looks cheaper than Alien, just tight corridors, mostly closeups and some space shots. Unless you want to imply Reynolds robbed Sony for at least 20 mln, no way Alien would cost much cheaper if done right. Jake is not expensive kind of star and the rest of Life cast don't cost more than Alien cast today.
Quote from: Mike's Monsters on Mar 07, 2023, 09:04:12 PMThey definitely won't look as nice as their well lit headshots that are meant to show off their features. Lighting and camera work on set can make them look a lot older, or even set the right tone.
So again, why all this trouble with lighting and camera work if they didn't intend actors to look like teenagers? Because that was clearly the plan.
Quote from: Mike's Monsters on Mar 07, 2023, 09:04:12 PMA lot here would be complaining about Sigourney being cast if ALIEN were made today.
Why? She actually looked her age.
Fox is a digital plataform adult of Disney. Is sad for industry adult movies.
Very comercial movies in cinema PG13 or movies independent R or Oscars limited premiere too R.
IS complicated than Alien return in cinema. Few movies premiere in cinema of Fox in next years.
This does not happen because Covenant failed alone. It is also because of Disney's business model with Fox and him vision empresarial with movies very comercials. Movies blockbusters adult R in cinema next years...only Deadpool3( and is movie marvel no Fox).
In addition, Disney does not release commercial cinema R, which is why it demands much more at the box office so that they do not appear only on Hulu.
Alien cannot compete with those box offices that Disney asks for to be released in cinemas.
It's not just that it's a small hit o moderate/good like Prometheus with 400. Disney wants to release MEGA hits and Alien has never been that. Deadpool 3 is exepcion.
Future Alien is in streaming for very long long time. Better this than nothing.
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Quote from: Kimarhi on Mar 07, 2023, 10:14:16 PMWe know lower budget films can be done well because we have examples in our own franchise. So the dollar amount doesn't bother me personally. I'd feel more comfortable knowing what kind of movie they were making though. Alien or Aliens style. Something different?
Smaller budget I'd feel less good about if it was supposed to be something like Aliens.
I like Prometheus-like budgets, but it's true and genuinely good movie can be on a tighter budget.
One good thing about smaller budget productions though, is that they sometimes have more creative liberties to experiment with concepts that tend to get rejected if someone is making an expensive movie. But hey, that's what indie cinema is for hahaha😅
Quote from: TomT on Mar 07, 2023, 10:21:39 PMI'm not interested in "these days" style of filmmaking, we were talking about equal quality production, not an inferior way to do it.
So am I. If someone set the budget at $40m you could make something the quality of
Alien. Modern effects would make many things substantially more affordable than they were in '78 when the film was made. And it would be achieved precisely the same way -- careful planning and prioritising of expenses.
QuoteLife looks cheaper than Alien
It really doesn't. Kelvin never turns into a stuntman awkwardly bouncing on a wire. Nor is he ever a plate of oyster parts. There's no character turning into a plastic mannequin "fighting" an actor that is clearly just miming.
Alien is my favourite movie, but you can see how they stretched the budget.
I can not think of a modern example of a film made like Alien recently honestly.
Quote from: SiL on Mar 08, 2023, 04:33:37 AMQuoteLife looks cheaper than Alien
It really doesn't. Kelvin never turns into a stuntman awkwardly bouncing on a wire. Nor is he ever a plate of oyster parts. There's no character turning into a plastic mannequin "fighting" an actor that is clearly just miming. Alien is my favourite movie, but you can see how they stretched the budget.
Alien was released in 1979, those moments are more of limitations of its time than budget limitations, wider shots would've used VFX creature today, even in Ressurection they already did that. Alien has more locations, bigger sets and bigger scale in general than Life, so again, why Life can cost 58 mln minus a couple of millions for 2 famous actors and Alien if done in quality way would cost just 40 mln? Makes no sense to me.
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 08, 2023, 08:38:18 AMI can not think of a modern example of a film made like Alien recently honestly.
In what way?
Special effects are obviously done much differently. Resourceful set building is abundant. Rubber suit monsters are also not rare.
What you're missing is the art direction for the most part, and that was one of a kind.
Edit:
Come to think of it Andor got a lot of flack from nerds about the use of easily identifiable every day items as props.
Alien: LV42690210.
Not against the Alien: Echo vibes.
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 08, 2023, 08:38:18 AMI can not think of a modern example of a film made like Alien recently honestly.
True, it's a tragedy.
Quote from: SiL on Mar 08, 2023, 04:33:37 AMSo am I. If someone set the budget at $40m you could make something the quality of Alien. Modern effects would make many things substantially more affordable than they were in '78 when the film was made. And it would be achieved precisely the same way -- careful planning and prioritising of expenses.
Yes and no, top of the line quality cgi is still super expensive. And practical sets/suits etc are surely more expensive than they were back in the day. Film to be in the same caliber as Alien requires a combination of the very best practical and computer generated effects technically (and creatively) possible.
But also true that the people responsible for Alien 1979 used many clever tricks to stay within the budget.
Yes and no.
You can achieve very good CGI without the expected price tags a few ways. Shopping around for the right vendor is one, but having a clear plan of exactly what you want and not asking for endless revisions because you can't make up your mind is another.
Also for what it's worth, Alien has very few shots that would require CGI compared to modern movies.
Alien didn't have the very best practical effects. Giger complains about it in his diary. But they were used very well.
I guess the question is, are we making Alien as it exists today, or are we starting from the ground up?
If the latter the whole conversation is pointless because it could be any budget.
If the former, you could make the film for $40m.
Good grief. Can we STOP with the TIRED whining about "woke" this and "woke" that? It's just moronic! The original 2 alien movies would be called woke if they came out today by these squealing brats. Both Alien and Aliens carry a heavy HEAVY anti corporate strong female through line. If those 2 movies had come out in the last 6 years you'd be seeing the same "woke" talking points being made about them. As far as Romulous is concerned all we have seen of this cast are names and generic head shots, that's it, but apparently that's enough to get man babies screaming WOKE. Things change or they die, point blank. Society changes or it collapses, point blank. GET OVER IT.
This movie could be great, it could be terrible, who knows but getting bent out of shape due to the age, color, or whatever else of the cast is THE MOST overly sensitive precious first world "problem" you could dream up. If you see the depiction of females, gays, and people of color in movies as a massive "woke" slight against you then lock yourself in your house with all the movies and media you THINK arent "woke" and never come out again because you REALLY won't be able to handle the real world.
I haven't seen a single person complaining about "wokeness" here, maybe I didn't read the entire thread, but odd comment.
Many have came here to complain that the young cast means the film will be "woke". It's not new. Same annoying thing happened with Prey, and probably will for a long time until we can get over this trend of hating everything before we it. Rage is all the rage these days.
Quote from: Mike's Monsters on Mar 09, 2023, 06:23:45 PMMany have came here to complain that the young cast means the film will be "woke". It's not new. Same annoying thing happened with Prey, and probably will for a long time until we can get over this trend of hating everything before we it. Rage is all the rage these days.
Giving things a chance would mean backing off from the whole "I've seen the matrix code, I'm smarter than all you sheep" thing that defines their existence.
Alien Awakening ( Prometheus 3 cancelled ) is a more movie "woke" definitivy. xD. :-[
If anybody's talkin' about me, I certainly never said 'woke.' I'm about as left-wing as you can get. I'm just leery about an Alien movie that looks like it's been cast with the staff of my local Starbucks. :D
I have zero hate in my heart for this film. But also zero anticipation. As is my right.
Quote from: Mike's Monsters on Mar 09, 2023, 06:23:45 PMMany have came here to complain that the young cast means the film will be "woke". It's not new. Same annoying thing happened with Prey, and probably will for a long time until we can get over this trend of hating everything before we it. Rage is all the rage these days.
The old buzzword was SJW (if you're old enough to remember the 90's, it was PC). Now it's woke. Just meaningless tripe from reactionaries. Whenever I see the word, I just see the user reflexively kicking out their legs. It's been so easy to monetise rage. I don't know how some people have the energy to be twisted up all day about entertainment IPs. I'm 35 and if something doesn't live up to my expectations I.... get over it and move on.
It's all one big cycle. You go back and read the SF letters pages in the 70's and 80's and it's the same thing in different forms or under different names. "They don't make 'em like they used to," "cinema is ruined", "everything's commercial nowadays!" "The feminists are going gaga and ruining culture!" People forget that ALIEN was a glossy, big budget blockbuster that was hampered by studio interference every damn day. It's a film full of artistic compromises. It's grungy but was made to appeal to mass audiences. It was also widely seen as an unoriginal rehash. The decades since have burnished ALIEN's repute, of course.
Interresting to see what TomT is writing about us on other sites:
Quote from: Tom ThomasIf you look at Alien's biggest fansite AvP Galaxy, most folks there are in full denial mode: "we don't know anything yet", "let's wait and see", "just because all actors look like tik tok teenagers, doesn't mean they are gonna look like teenagers in a movie, we haven't seen makeup/lighting yet", "who said it's gonna be young adult flick, do we have a confirmation?", "Sigourney was 28 when she did Alien". It doesn't take a genius to figure out what kind of movie they are making looking at this cast, platform and budget. Obviously hard pass and another heartbreak for a dead franchise
https://www.worldofreel.com/blog/2023/3/a9re7ydd3k9ixlx9fbvsyglopi0z4q
I had forgotten why I had him on ignore, thank you for reminding me.
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 10, 2023, 05:31:39 PMI had forgotten why I had him on ignore, thank you for reminding me.
Yeah, also putting him on ignore now. He's just here to stir up trouble.
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Mar 10, 2023, 05:15:54 PMQuote from: Tom Thomas"who said it's gonna be young adult flick, do we have a confirmation?"
Ooh ooh I think this one's about me!
I think the "Sigourney was 28 when she did Alien" was
@RidgeTop 's contribution. Guy's dicing with the mods now ;D
Already did this ride with Prey, and even I jumped to conclusions when I heard it was teens. Wait and see is reasonable to me now. And as far as I'm concerned I've already been through severe disappointment with both Alien and Predator. Folks just like to blame Disney for ruining things. To be fair, they do on occasion, but 20th Century operates semi-independently. I'm not 'in denial' because there is nothing to evaluate yet. Hell even the Evil Dead remake of 2013 had a cast right around these ages and that was VERY adult. The actor who played Mia, Jane Levy was in her early 20s at the time of filming.
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Mar 10, 2023, 05:15:54 PMInterresting to see what TomT is writing about us on other sites:
Quote from: Tom ThomasIf you look at Alien's biggest fansite AvP Galaxy, most folks there are in full denial mode: "we don't know anything yet", "let's wait and see", "just because all actors look like tik tok teenagers, doesn't mean they are gonna look like teenagers in a movie, we haven't seen makeup/lighting yet", "who said it's gonna be young adult flick, do we have a confirmation?", "Sigourney was 28 when she did Alien". It doesn't take a genius to figure out what kind of movie they are making looking at this cast, platform and budget. Obviously hard pass and another heartbreak for a dead franchise
https://www.worldofreel.com/blog/2023/3/a9re7ydd3k9ixlx9fbvsyglopi0z4q
Eeeh, I'm not sure posting members' comments from other sites is fair play
Quote from: RidgeTop on Mar 10, 2023, 06:23:41 PMAlready did this ride with Prey, and even I jumped to conclusions when I heard it was teens. Wait and see is reasonable to me now. And as far as I'm concerned I've already been through severe disappointment with both Alien and Predator. Folks just like to blame Disney for ruining things. To be fair, they do on occasion, but 20th Century operates semi-independently. I'm not 'in denial' because there is nothing to evaluate yet. Hell even the Evil Dead remake of 2013 had a cast right around these ages and that was VERY adult. The actor who played Mia, Jane Levy was in her early 20s at the time of filming.
So how much did Disney execs pay you this time ?
Quote from: Tom ThomasIf you look at Alien's biggest fansite AvP Galaxy, most folks there are in full denial mode
Probably hasn't even discovered certain Assembly Cut fan threads yet
Or David didn't really create the Alien sub-sect.
Quote from: RidgeTop on Mar 10, 2023, 06:23:41 PMFolks just like to blame Disney for ruining things. To be fair, they do on occasion, but 20th Century operates semi-independently.
The Last Duel under 20th Century Studios/Disney was exceptional. Of course lots and lots of people were crying W0kE!, w0Ke!, WOkE!, #Me-tOo!, #mE-toO!
Quote from: kwisatz on Mar 10, 2023, 07:29:33 PMQuote from: Tom ThomasIf you look at Alien's biggest fansite AvP Galaxy, most folks there are in full denial mode
Probably hasn't even discovered certain Assembly Cut fan threads yet
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$75m is plenty when you consider the first movie, which is one of the best films of all time, had a budget of $40m adjusted for inflation. PREY was better and more gorgeously directed than most Marvel films which cost ten times more.
Sometimes restraints are a good thing.
And they're filming in Hungary, with an excellent production designer and cinematographer. It really shouldn't look cheap.
Yeah it feels like a reach to see the budget as a red flag tbh.
Especially since horror has always been a genre famous for sparking creativity and quality out of budget limitations. And it's not like $75m is some small amount of money for a film.
Don't really see much point in getting all strung out about the casting either.
With the quality of Prey and everything that Alvarez has done before, everything has me pretty optimistic about this, personally.
I can understand a certain level of cynicism towards big-studio films in todays day and age.
But we don't really have any info on the film that warrants writing it off entirely, by any means.
It seems like there's a subset of people who thrive off of hating something no matter what.
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Mar 10, 2023, 05:15:54 PMInterresting to see what TomT is writing about us on other sites:
Quote from: Tom ThomasIf you look at Alien's biggest fansite AvP Galaxy, most folks there are in full denial mode: "we don't know anything yet", "let's wait and see", "just because all actors look like tik tok teenagers, doesn't mean they are gonna look like teenagers in a movie, we haven't seen makeup/lighting yet", "who said it's gonna be young adult flick, do we have a confirmation?", "Sigourney was 28 when she did Alien". It doesn't take a genius to figure out what kind of movie they are making looking at this cast, platform and budget. Obviously hard pass and another heartbreak for a dead franchise
https://www.worldofreel.com/blog/2023/3/a9re7ydd3k9ixlx9fbvsyglopi0z4q
I'm glad you are reading World of Reel too, my man, but I didn't really say anything I didn't say here, so not sure why people are offended by this, I didn't insult anyone, this is nothing more than observation from the side and I used quotes I saw here without mentioning anyone. if you are so uncomfortable with what you write on a public forum you are offended to see your own quote, then maybe you shouldn't write in the first place. I do think that a lot of people on the forum are in denial mode when they are reaching so hard for excuses they claim that actors who were chosen to look like teenagers specifically are not gonna look like that with makeup and lighting, that's just laughable, c'mon.
Quote from: TomT on Mar 10, 2023, 10:43:19 PMI do think that a lot of people on the forum are in denial mode when they are reaching so hard they claim that actors who were chosen to look like teenagers specifically are not gonna look like that with makeup and lighting, that's just laughable, c'mon.
I think you're the one reaching that having a cast of young, teenager-looking actors is a sufficient enough reason to go completely hopeless on this film having any kind of potential. And that having any kind of optimism or even indifference is insane because of this one arbitrary reason.
Quote from: Cosmic Incubation on Mar 10, 2023, 10:58:14 PMQuote from: TomT on Mar 10, 2023, 10:43:19 PMI do think that a lot of people on the forum are in denial mode when they are reaching so hard they claim that actors who were chosen to look like teenagers specifically are not gonna look like that with makeup and lighting, that's just laughable, c'mon.
I think you're the one reaching that having a cast of young, teenager-looking actors is a sufficient enough reason to go completely hopeless on this film having any kind of potential. And that having any kind of optimism or even indifference is insane because of this one arbitrary reason.
Just for this franchise. When you have a franchise that didn't have a single film with a fully positive reception in almost 4(!) decades at this point, it's okay to be very skeptical, especially when the concept looks so bad and director's last film is garbage with a couple of nice shots. "Wait and see" is reserved for something that didn't have this kind of history or at least has trust. And it's not reaching to think that young adult concept is a very bad idea for this particular franchise where the closest thing to it was one of the worst films ever made and the worst film in both Alien and Predator franchises. Maybe Friday The 13th in space with dumb teens against Alien sounds like something very exciting for people here, who knows. People bringed up Evil Dead remake, but Evil Dead remake is consistent with its original film in terms of cast, so it's not the same thing at all, especially when actors there still looked older than Romulus cast. But I still think Romulus is gonna be better than Requiem, for what it's worth, simply because Fede is a lot more competent director than Strauss brothers.
And why Prey is used here as an example of some incredible masterpiece is beyond me, did our standards fall so low at this point that Predators-level movie (and I thought Predators was better) is now considered a brilliant piece of filmmaking? Being better than Black's Predator is hardly an achievement worth singing about.
Quote from: Serpico Jones on Mar 10, 2023, 09:34:13 PM$75m is plenty when you consider the first movie, which is one of the best films of all time, had a budget of $40m adjusted for inflation.
Alien wouldn't cost 40 mln today (already discussed in this or different thread), counting only inflation is incorrect way to predict what it would cost today because cost of making films increased significantly since those days, to say the least. Top Gun cost 15 mln in 1986. Top Gun sequel cost 170 mln in 2018-2020. Just a random example. Plus we have Prey from Hulu which supposedly had 65 mln budget and looked like it was made for a third of it at most. If 65 mln budget is incorrect, good. But if it's correct, then 75 mln budget is concerning.
Nah I definitely get the skepticism and caution towards any new film in the franchise. I think everyone here and in the fanbase has a pretty healthy amount of it, more or less. Especially considering the quality differences in the series, as you pointed out. There's plenty of various discussions and opinions about the low-points in the franchise here.
We're certainly not expecting everyone to be sunshine and rainbows, 100% expecting it to save the franchise or anything. We just don't seem have that extreme pessimistic attitude that you seem to have about it. Especially since, as you've also pointed out, there's potential with Alvarez as director.
And your post in that other forum saying that everyone here is in "full denial mode" because we aren't convinced the film is going to be trash just because of the casting just makes your argument come across extremely condescending and not from a in-good-faith place tbh. Probably just gonna part ways with you on this here.
Half of the quotes I listed have nothing to do with whether it's trash or not, it's outright denial it's gonna be a young adult flick (and I don't mean MPAA rating) and denial of the fact that cast is playing teenagers. Just say that you like the concept and excited about this, no need to dance around and pretend that the cast is not playing teens because "we haven't seen makeup and lighting" or pretend that Sigourney looked like teen when she didn't, that's just pathetic.
But what I'm actually surpised by is that most people here are excited about this kind of Alien follow up. Maybe I haven't seen reactions to other Alien films announcements and people were excited as hell about Requiem too, who knows. But complaining about Blomkamp's Alien and at the same praising this, I don't get it, maybe I'm just confused and this is Alien hate site?
And by the way, Jane Lavy looked older than Cailee Spaeny and Jane looked young, but not this young. Caliee looks like she didn't finish high school yet, the same with Merced. Supporting characters in Evil Dead remake looked older than the rest of Romulus cast too and again, they are consistent with the original Evil Dead.
Nobody's praising anything.
Quote from: SiL on Mar 11, 2023, 01:35:25 AMNobody's praising anything.
I've seen plenty of excited comments here or at least cautiously optimistic, it would've been a really positive thread without my presence, so overall mood is positive.
Quote from: TomT on Mar 11, 2023, 01:03:09 AMAnd by the way, Jane Lavy looked older than Cailee Spaeny and Jane looked young, but not this young. Caliee looks like she didn't finish high school yet, the same with Merced.
You sure this is still about an Alien movie for you?
Quote from: kwisatz on Mar 11, 2023, 01:51:55 AMYou sure this is still about an Alien movie for you?
I'm just commenting on some arguments people bring up that Evil Dead remake cast is the same thing when it's clearly not.
But I'm mostly angry because every single Alien project that had a chance to be finally good without question marks was killed and instead they are doing this and Hoawley's show, or when Fox killed Scott/Cameron/Sigourney's Alien 5 to do Alien vs Predator. This kind of optimism and excitement I see here is incredible considering you could literally die before you see not only a legitimately good movie in this franchise, but even a video-game because it takes almost 4 decades so far to see a single one. Even Star Wars have a lot more bright spots and its toxic fanbase is still mad as hell about the way Disney handles it. Only Jurassic franchise has even worse handling than Alien, with the only positive thing is theatrical release, but Jurassic doesn't have an active fanbase despite lore and stuff, and relies heavily on average Joes who just want to see dinosaurs.
Quote from: TomT on Mar 11, 2023, 01:40:02 AMQuote from: SiL on Mar 11, 2023, 01:35:25 AMNobody's praising anything.
I've seen plenty of excited comments here or at least cautiously optimistic, it would've been a really positive thread without my presence, so overall mood is positive.
So people saying "hopefully this isn't awful!" is living in denial to you?
Do you have anything to actually contribute to the discussion or are you just here to be miserable?
Quote from: SiL on Mar 11, 2023, 02:15:14 AMSo people saying "hopefully this isn't awful!" is living in denial to you?
That's your words, not mine, maybe you didn't read comments above where I specifically described denial parts like "we haven't seen them in makeup and lighting yet" or "Sigourney looked like a kid too".
I've seen plenty of excited comments about director, streaming release and concept, and generally positive mood with Prey being used as an example of a masterpiece of a film, only a couple of them were just "hopefully this isn't awful!", but when this is the least positive comment you could find besides mine, that usually means positive reactions.
Quote from: SiL on Mar 11, 2023, 02:15:14 AMDo you have anything to actually contribute to the discussion or are you just here to be miserable?
There's nothing of substance to discuss about this one, I said what I wanted to say, at this point I'm only curious if Requiem had the same fan excitement before release.
Kids in space. Please no.
Quote from: Rudiger on Mar 11, 2023, 07:48:26 PMKids in space. Please no.
Don't watch this movie called ALIENS. I hear it's got kids in it.
Quote from: Rudiger on Mar 11, 2023, 07:48:26 PMKids in space.
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We've had space truckers, space marines, space convicts, space pirates, space scientists and space dumb-ass colonists. What's wrong with a few space spring-chickens? ;D
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Mar 12, 2023, 10:29:55 AMspace scientists and space dumb-ass colonists
I take issue with that characterization
Quote from: Kradan on Mar 12, 2023, 11:14:42 AMQuote from: The Eighth Passenger on Mar 12, 2023, 10:29:55 AMspace scientists and space dumb-ass colonists
I take issue with that characterization
Take it up with Jimbo. Issues with spring-chicken characterizations can be taken up with "I'm no spring chicken" Riddles. :P
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Mar 12, 2023, 12:20:11 PMQuote from: Kradan on Mar 12, 2023, 11:14:42 AMQuote from: The Eighth Passenger on Mar 12, 2023, 10:29:55 AMspace scientists and space dumb-ass colonists
I take issue with that characterization
Take it up with Jimbo. Issues with spring-chicken characterizations can be taken up with "I'm no spring chicken" Riddles. :P
Good luck with that, Kradan!
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Mar 12, 2023, 10:29:55 AMWe've had space truckers, space marines, space convicts, space pirates, space scientists and space dumb-ass colonists. What's wrong with a few space spring-chickens? ;D
I've always thought it waa funny that the Space scientists were the dumbest of the lot.
I wonder what occupation the space spring chickens will have? Evidence shows that the more blue collar they are, the more intelligent and relatable they'll be.
Quote from: T Dog on Mar 12, 2023, 01:49:05 PMI've always thought it waa funny that the Space scientists were the dumbest of the lot.
I wonder what occupation the space spring chickens will have? Evidence shows that the more blue collar they are, the more intelligent and relatable they'll be.
Sounds like they may be salvagers. So pretty high-brow types within the Alienverse.
Funny, remember back when that Sydney newspaper article was published about the "hundreds" of marijuana plants that Ridley had ordered for the Covenant's hydroponics set?
And we all thought we were getting Space Hippies next. :laugh:
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Mar 12, 2023, 02:07:44 PMQuote from: T Dog on Mar 12, 2023, 01:49:05 PMI've always thought it waa funny that the Space scientists were the dumbest of the lot.
I wonder what occupation the space spring chickens will have? Evidence shows that the more blue collar they are, the more intelligent and relatable they'll be.
Sounds like they may be salvagers. So pretty high-brow types within the Alienverse.
Funny, remember back when that Sydney newspaper article was published about the "hundreds" of marijuana plants that Ridley had ordered for the Covenant's hydroponics set?
And we all thought we were getting Space Hippies next. :laugh:
That was just for Ridley's own personal use on the shoot!
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Mar 12, 2023, 12:20:11 PMQuote from: Kradan on Mar 12, 2023, 11:14:42 AMQuote from: The Eighth Passenger on Mar 12, 2023, 10:29:55 AMspace scientists and space dumb-ass colonists
I take issue with that characterization
Take it up with Jimbo. Issues with spring-chicken characterizations can be taken up with "I'm no spring chicken" Riddles. :P
Huh ?
Anyway, why are "colonists" being labeled "dumb-ass" while so-called "scientists" aren't ? Hope this clears that up
I have no idea man, ask Spunkmeyer.
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Mar 12, 2023, 02:07:44 PMQuote from: T Dog on Mar 12, 2023, 01:49:05 PMI've always thought it waa funny that the Space scientists were the dumbest of the lot.
I wonder what occupation the space spring chickens will have? Evidence shows that the more blue collar they are, the more intelligent and relatable they'll be.
Sounds like they may be salvagers. So pretty high-brow types within the Alienverse.
Might they be a bunch of young horny Arcturians?
Imagine how that would get the anti-wOkE crowd raging! :laugh:
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Mar 12, 2023, 03:09:29 PMI have no idea man, ask Spunkmeyer.
What ? Huh ? Ah ? Wha-
Oh. I get it
Quote from: T Dog on Mar 12, 2023, 01:49:05 PMI've always thought it waa funny that the Space scientists were the dumbest of the lot.
Not really, that matches up perfectly with my IRL experience with scientists the second you get them away from their niche specialty.
Not immediately writing this project off after seeing headshots of the cast isn't being in denial, its simply being grown enough to realize that cast head shots tell us jack about how this flick is actually going to turn out. Romulus could be bad, it could be good we don't know yet. And that's the point, we don't know.
We are all so used to Sigourney as Ripley at this point, but I wonder if ALIEN were made today that individuals would be up in arms about it.
I did a quick search for headshots of Sigourney in 1978, when they'd be casting for Alien. I doubt many people could see her playing the hardened Ripley from this glamour shot, which is similar to our new spread of actors:
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Yet you throw them on a set with proper direction, wardrobe, propping and lighting and it changes the way a person looks. Here's Sigourney testing for ALIEN:
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Sigourney still looks like a baby to me in these photos, even if she is pushing 30. But I'm me, have my own opinions and can be totally wrong in this observation.
But this is coming from someone who films and photographs people as his daily job, so also speaking from experiences.
The amount of times I thought someone was not correct for something until I got them in front of the camera is something I've lost track of.
Sigourney looked her age, she looks good late 20s there. Cailee and Merced look 14. This is not the same thing. What's the point in dancing around with this reaching nonsense "we haven't seen lighting/makeup/clothes/camera angles yet" when they are clearly going in very specific direction with the cast, this is not a coincedence, trades mentioned it's about young cast too. What this cast actually reveals is concept/direction they are going to with this movie, not quality of the final product, you either like this concept or not. I obviously greatly dislike this direction over all stories that could be made and not gonna repeat my rant, but it's ok if you like young adult direction for the franchise, there's no shame in admiting that, there are people who liked Requiem because of nasty gore and makeup, so it's ok.
Nothing tells me that this film won't be the most visceral or intense entry in the franchise either.
We really don't know much, and just because the cast is young, doesn't mean the movie will be soft or made for the younger audiences. We still know so little about the actual film itself. It literally might deliver what many fans have been wanting for years, visually and plot wise.
From things that I've seen, it seems that it'll hit that mark if the execution is done right.
It's all just a wait and see situation at this moment. And I'm excited for sure.
Alvarez has a good track record with tense, violent movies.
Quote from: SiL on Mar 13, 2023, 08:39:58 PMAlvarez has a good track record with tense, violent movies.
Exactly. The guy who has most say has a good resume, which tells me to have some faith for now. Until I see any actual film from the movie, I can't judge.
Quote from: Mike's Monsters on Mar 13, 2023, 08:24:31 PMWe really don't know much, and just because the cast is young, doesn't mean the movie will be soft or made for the younger audiences.
Well, those Friday The 13th movies weren't PG either :)
Quote from: Mike's Monsters on Mar 13, 2023, 08:24:31 PMIt literally might deliver what many fans have been wanting for years, visually and plot wise.
But what many fans actually wanted for years? Because as far as I'm aware, different sections of fanbase wanted completely different things. One section wants Covenant sequel. The other section wants Prometheus sequel. Other section wants alternate Alien 3/Aliens sequel. Another section wants Alien: Isolation movie adaptation. Another wants another crack at Alien vs Predator. And maybe there's a very small section that wants Alien: Resurrection sequel with Ripley clone. From what we know, Romulus doesn't fit any of those directions.
I think there's a difference between desired film premise and desired film elements.
There are key elements that every fan would expect out of any entry in the franchise, no matter the premise. Whether it's a Prometheus sequel or a Isolation adaptation, there's a pretty common set of base core elements that they look for in any entry.
While it may or may not be the Prometheus/Covenant sequel that some of us do or don't want. I think majority of fans will be happy with a new entry as long as it's competently made and faithful to those core elements of the franchise. Discredit Prey all you want, but that's basically why so many were satisfied with that, in relation to the Predator films.
Exception for those who are just determined to hate a film from the beginning, and probably wouldn't admit it if the film actually does turn out to be good :)
Prey is ok, not great, not bad. Predators already did "return to roots" and wasn't met with anywhere near this kind of acclaim despite similar quality, similar problems and stronger cast. And I liked Predators concept more, especially its reversed character dynamics which was kind of smart change.
There were a couple of movies where I was really sceptical, but which turned out to be good and I admitted I was wrong. I highly doubt it's gonna happen here, I'm not gonna play "wait and see" game with the franchise that consistently delivered mixed bags at best for almost 4 decades, that's ridiculous, it's hard to find something more incompetent than this.
Also Cameron was extremely smart when he did Aliens, most directors would just copypaste first film, but he knew it's not gonna work if he wanted to reach that impossible level, so he changed the genre, built on the original variables and expanded the universe in the most compelling way possible. If Romulus is another "back to roots" where it's just copypaste of the original and doesn't add anything new/compelling to its lore, but this time with kids, I don't see how it's not gonna be another mixed bag at best, there's nothing going for it.
Quote from: Mike's Monsters on Mar 13, 2023, 08:41:26 PMUntil I see any actual film from the movie, I can't judge.
I like to live in denial and believe the movie could be awful . Or it could be good. Or it could be completely middling.
I'm such a hopeless optimist
David Jonsson protagonist in new movie with 98%/8.2.
https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/rye_lane (https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/rye_lane)
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 06, 2023, 11:06:05 AMQuote from: Necronomicon II on Mar 06, 2023, 06:31:30 AMAliens: Wraith featured a pretty young cast... ;D
Also haven't seen this mentioned but it appears this chap will be playing a role as well, he doesn't appear too young, you're welcome -
https://twitter.com/REKKHAN/status/1618460115195293699?s=20
Peace,
Necro II and MUTHUR
I saw a good few posts from him about Romulus over Jan. I think he was just talking about auditioning.
Aye, yeah you're probably on the money there.
He had to change the genre because horror in the first movie involved a slow reveal of the creature.