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The new Fangoria issue with all the news and pictures, etc. goes on sale on the 23rd, but I heard it would be released in some places on the 13th. Anybody found it yet? Someone mentioned seeing it on the IMDb, with a paraphrased quote from Colin about continuity and how it's preserved in the film.

Ya, I saw that on IMDb too.

Just got my copy today.

The facehugger looks like shit.  Whose bright idea was it to paint it like the Alien's fingers in A:R?

Well, giz a look then.

At work right now, will take some snaps when I get home in a few hours.  No scanner, so don't get yer hopes up as to quality.  :)

Facehugger diddnt look too bad in the trailer.

Quote from: Uncanny Antman on Oct 17, 2007, 06:31:08 AM
Just got my copy today.

The facehugger looks like shit.  Whose bright idea was it to paint it like the Alien's fingers in A:R?

I have NO idea what your talking about? I never saw a difference between the Alien/Aliens facehuggers and the one from A:R. Got a screenshot so I can compare them?

Quote from: SyntaX on Oct 17, 2007, 08:03:38 AM

Quote from: Uncanny Antman on Oct 17, 2007, 06:31:08 AM
Just got my copy today.

The facehugger looks like shit.  Whose bright idea was it to paint it like the Alien's fingers in A:R?

I have NO idea what your talking about? I never saw a difference between the Alien/Aliens facehuggers and the one from A:R. Got a screenshot so I can compare them?

He said you will see it later.  ;)

Quote from: SyntaX on Oct 17, 2007, 08:03:38 AM
I have NO idea what your talking about? I never saw a difference between the Alien/Aliens facehuggers and the one from A:R.

I didn't say the A:R facehugger, I said the Alien's fingers, as in the adult Alien's fingers.  I'll have some shots from Fango soon, promise.  (But while we're on it, I do think the floppy-sloppy hand puppet facehuggers used in A:R and AvP suck ass.  :) )

The more I look at the photo, the less I hate it, but I still hope it looks better on-screen than it does in print.

Moving on, the chestburster has a real weird bump on the back of its head.  I can't tell if it's a fold in the model's skin or if it's a design choice.  It looks, if you'll pardon the comparison, like the little bulge on the head of someone's dick.  It's easily the most penis-like a chestburster has ever been.  If your penis has teeth, that is.  :)

The last new photo is a shot of the dude with acid burning his face off.  It's a prosthetic job, so I guess they only supplemented the shot in CG, and didn't rely on CG alone.

All the other pictures are old, Reiko firing a big gun, AvP in sewer, Alien on car, Wolf stabbin' Chet, Wolf in sewer.

What was in the interview itself? Same old shit?

Any new info?

The whole article is very much the same hyperbole we've been eatin' for months now, but this little bit caught my eye:  (It's not new info, but more specific than we've had before)

Quote"Yep," nods Greg, "And to everyone's relief, this actually will not break the series' continuity."

Colin leans in and makes an emphatic assurance, "This movie will be canon.  It will be faithful to the movies' history."

"It all gets taken care of," Greg continues.  "Great effort has been put in - and only time will tell how successful we are - about sticking to what has been established."

It all sounds good except for the "time will tell" caveat.  That doesn't sound like the words of a man dead-certain about something to me.


Here's the bit I hope is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth...

Quote"We are maintaining continuity to both of the franchises," Colin adds, grinning like someone in on a really good secret, "not reinventing stuff or creating new rules for the Aliens and Predators."

If that's true, I'll be happy.  If they're just blowing smoke to hide "a surprise" I'll be f*ckin' pissed.

And of course, I'll assume when they say they're staying true to the previous films, they don't mean AvP. ;)

So that means all PredAliens have big Queen heads?

Quote from: Uncanny Antman on Oct 17, 2007, 08:36:44 AM
It's easily the most penis-like a chestburster has ever been.  If your penis has teeth, that is.  :)

Penis-like Chestburster...
Flying vagina-like Facehugger (as Colin said before)...
All the Alien lifestyles are nothing but sexualtiy.  ;D

Quote from: Xerxész on Oct 17, 2007, 10:02:54 AM
All the Alien lifestyles are nothing but sexualtiy.  ;D

That was ... sort of the ... point. :P

Quote from: SiL on Oct 17, 2007, 10:05:47 AM

Quote from: Xerxész on Oct 17, 2007, 10:02:54 AM
All the Alien lifestyles are nothing but sexualtiy.  ;D

That was ... sort of the ... point. :P

Zing!!!! Go watch some BtS about Alien. Learn, young one, learn.

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Quote from: SiL on Oct 17, 2007, 10:05:47 AM

Quote from: Xerxész on Oct 17, 2007, 10:02:54 AM
All the Alien lifestyles are nothing but sexualtiy.  ;D

That was ... sort of the ... point. :P

Zing!!!! Go watch some BtS about Alien. Learn, young one, learn.

Uuuuumm...young? Huh...if only I could be young again?!  ::)
Anyway, what is BtS?

Behind the scenes.

I want to see the facehugger and the chestburster.
The chestburster looks great in the sewer scene in the greenband/population trailer.

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Hm.
Chestburster looks good. No gripes here.
Facehugger looks good too. Reminds me of the queen hugger.
Guy with burned face- why?

The chestburster looks average to me.
But i really like the painting of the new facehugger, i think it was a good idea to paint it like alien hands, looks good.

OK...the hugger now has VEINS on the 'oxygen sacs' (my term)... :o

And what's with that pink flesh on top of the hugger...?  ???

The chestburster looks indeed like a sausage or a penis...whichever way you wanna put it... :D >:(

And the beginning stages of the acid effects on the blonde guy  look good, although a bit Freddy Krueger-ish, if you ask me... Nevertheless, this is not bad for reference make-up...the rest will be done on a puppet enhanced with CG, as I mentioned before...the puppet thing, not the CG...I actually though they would be doing an Alien or Alien 3 acid effect...like the acid falling on the cryotube or on the Nostromo's floor... :(

Thank you for uploading them Uncanny Antman, but what about the text? can you upload it too?

Quote from: Uncanny Antman on Oct 17, 2007, 10:40:31 AM
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Okay...the mouth is not as big as they were in A:R, AvP and in my expectations...but they are still a bit to large...but I agree...it's definitely molded from someones co<k... ;D

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Whats with the fleshy colored area between the digits, near the forehead...?  ???

Quote from: Uncanny Antman on Oct 17, 2007, 09:59:18 AM

Quote"We are maintaining continuity to both of the franchises," Colin adds, grinning like someone in on a really good secret, "not reinventing stuff or creating new rules for the Aliens and Predators."

If that's true, I'll be happy.  If they're just blowing smoke to hide "a surprise" I'll be f*ckin' pissed.

I agree with you 100% on both fronts...they better not be fu<king around and swinging words like maintaining continuity around, and not back it up in the film...

Really not loving that face hugger colour. The one thing that remained consistent through five films, and now they f**k with it? The pink fleshy bits at the front look worse than they did in AvP/AR.

Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Oct 17, 2007, 10:47:01 AM
But i really like the painting of the new facehugger, i think it was a good idea to paint it like alien hands, looks good.

The reason I don't like it is that it kinda looks like the hands on one of those cheap-ass halloween costume skeletons.  Y'know, with the finger bones glued to a black glove?
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Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Oct 17, 2007, 10:52:53 AM
Thank you for uploading them Uncanny Antman, but what about the text? can you upload it too?

You're welcome, but I'll leave the text for someone else to do.  It really doesn't offer anythin' new, and to be frank...I can't be bothered with all the effort.  No offense.  :)

Quote from: Uncanny Antman on Oct 17, 2007, 11:01:43 AM

Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Oct 17, 2007, 10:47:01 AM
But i really like the painting of the new facehugger, i think it was a good idea to paint it like alien hands, looks good.

The reason I don't like it is that it kinda looks like the hands on one of those cheap-ass halloween costume skeletons.  Y'know, with the finger bones glued to a black glove?
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Yeahh i know what you mean, but look at the aliens design, its the same thing there, they look like skeleton halloween costumes, and yes, this is a production shot and it will most likely never appear like that on-screen.
But i like it.

QuoteYou're welcome, but I'll leave the text for someone else to do.  It really doesn't offer anythin' new, and to be frank...I can't be bothered with all the effort.  No offense.

No problem.

God, how I hate this a:r, avp and avp2 chestbursters and their mouths!
It should look more like this:

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Is it just me or ever since AvP, the facehuggers haven't fit snuggly on the faces of the victims...? Compare the new picture to this one...

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It's like the air-sacks don't wrap around the lower cheek and jaw anymore...  :-\

Quote from: roguepl on Oct 17, 2007, 11:11:25 AM
God, how I hate this a:r, avp and avp2 chestbursters and their mouths!
It should look more like this:

http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/3815/chestburstlj5.jpg

I think that mouth on that design looks even worse, the mouth doesnt support the new design.

Can someone resize the chestburster picture for me? 300 width. Stupid college computers.

Quote from: Gates on Oct 17, 2007, 11:14:24 AM
Is it just me or ever since AvP, the facehuggers haven't fit snuggly on the faces of the victims...? Compare the new picture to this one...

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It's like the air-sacks don't wrap around the lower cheek and jaw anymore...  :-\

Yeahh i noticed that too, when i first watched avp i thought that the facehuggers really looked fake and not in the right position.
Avp-r improved that a little, but not much.
Dont know what the problem is position it right on the face, they look too stiff on the faces.

Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Oct 17, 2007, 11:15:31 AM

Quote from: roguepl on Oct 17, 2007, 11:11:25 AM
God, how I hate this a:r, avp and avp2 chestbursters and their mouths!
It should look more like this:

http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/3815/chestburstlj5.jpg

I think that mouth on that design looks even worse, the mouth doesnt support the new design.

Yeah, because I DON'T SUPPORT the new design (especially the jaws area) either.

Such a little change and already it looks better.

Quote from: roguepl on Oct 17, 2007, 11:19:13 AM

Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Oct 17, 2007, 11:15:31 AM

Quote from: roguepl on Oct 17, 2007, 11:11:25 AM
God, how I hate this a:r, avp and avp2 chestbursters and their mouths!
It should look more like this:

http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/3815/chestburstlj5.jpg

I think that mouth on that design looks even worse, the mouth doesnt support the new design.

Yeah, because I DON'T SUPPORT the new design (especially the jaws area) either.

So you dont support it, thats fine with me, i dont think that the chestburster looks too great either in that shot, but the old mouth on the new design makes the new design even worse.

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Oct 17, 2007, 11:16:42 AM
Can someone resize the chestburster picture for me? 300 width. Stupid college computers.

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That facehugger doesn't look like the ones in the trailer.  Unless they were unfinished cg effects.

Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Oct 17, 2007, 11:21:38 AM
[...] but the old mouth on the new design makes the new design even worse.

No way man...it looks much better with the old mouth... :P

Quote from: gameoverman on Oct 17, 2007, 11:23:00 AM
That facehugger doesn't look like the ones in the trailer.  Unless they were unfinished cg effects.

Colin said that they will enhance the chestbursters with cg, maybe this chestburster is not finished yet. And the chestbursters in the trailer were all practical too.

QuoteNo way man...it looks much better with the old mouth...

To each they´re own, i think that old mouth does not fit in with the rest and makes it even worse.

Thanks Uncanny. I've posted the news.

Okay, Burster - I like it better than the AR one. But does the "head" seem shorter to you? Makes me chuckle. Does almost look like someones bell end.

Hugger - Not too sure. I don't mind the paint job but not the fleshy part in the middle. Reminds me of one of the old AvP span shots with the dodgy middle bit too. Don't like the overall look though, the fact it doesn't look like it's raping face.

What to enhance? The chesshire-cat-smile-chestburster sucks :) I don't think it will be much different in the movie\ :(

QuoteWhat to enhance?

The chestbursters. :)

QuoteThe chesshire-cat-smile-chestburster sucks

It probably does yeah.

QuoteI don't think it will be much different in the movie\

They look different in the trailer, why not in the movie then.

It's a shame, because even if the Strauses' have got the film right, ADI have got the creatures wrong and it unfortunately effects the whole movie (Ok, so only the Alien neck downwards, facehuggers & chestbursters, PredAlien, and possibly Predator face are really bad, the rest is swell).

Are we just really picky or has the industry just lost touch with these movies?

Quote from: SuicideDoors on Oct 17, 2007, 11:36:16 AM
It's a shame, because even if the Strauses' have got the film right, ADI have got the creatures wrong and it unfortunately effects the whole movie (Ok, so only the Alien neck downwards, facehuggers & chestbursters, PredAlien, and possibly Predator face are really bad, the rest is swell).

ADI would love to do the old alien design again, but as we all know, these movies havent got a big budget, so ADI has to take the old molds again and there was just enough money for them to re-design the alien head and neck because the predator took a lot of money because they had to do him from scratch, the avp designs were horrible and the filmmakers saw that too.
And what i heard about the predalien and what the studio originally wanted... ohh my.

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I'm probably the only guy here who's happy with what I'm seeing. The Chestbursters mouth looks a little big but it still looks great. I'm really liking the Facehugger, but I don't know what that pink fleshy bit is at the top. The acid burned guy is Dale Post who you see in the Red Band.

Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Oct 17, 2007, 11:45:08 AM
ADI would love to do the old alien design again, but as we all know, these movies havent got a big budget, so ADI has to take the old molds again and there was just enough money for them to re-design the alien head and neck because the predator took a lot of money because they had to do him from scratch, the avp designs were horrible and the filmmakers saw that too.

Pure, weapons-grade balonium.  Three movies and counting with the nu-ADI Aliens.  They think the new one is 'way cool'.

Looking good to me

Quote from: Uncanny Antman on Oct 17, 2007, 11:47:38 AM

Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Oct 17, 2007, 11:45:08 AM
ADI would love to do the old alien design again, but as we all know, these movies havent got a big budget, so ADI has to take the old molds again and there was just enough money for them to re-design the alien head and neck because the predator took a lot of money because they had to do him from scratch, the avp designs were horrible and the filmmakers saw that too.

Pure, weapons-grade balonium.  Three movies and counting with the nu-ADI Aliens.  They think the new one is 'way cool'.

Of course they wont say that there work sucks, would you?
And they said that they like the new heads.
And no, this is not shit, or some speculation of mine, i have been told that.

Quote from: Uncanny Antman on Oct 17, 2007, 11:47:38 AM

Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Oct 17, 2007, 11:45:08 AM
ADI would love to do the old alien design again, but as we all know, these movies havent got a big budget, so ADI has to take the old molds again and there was just enough money for them to re-design the alien head and neck because the predator took a lot of money because they had to do him from scratch, the avp designs were horrible and the filmmakers saw that too.

Pure, weapons-grade balonium.  Three movies and counting with the nu-ADI Aliens.  They think the new one is 'way cool'.

Worry not, when I'm doing A5 and/or AvP3, I'll make sure we go with a new creature effects studio. Or maybe just Winston.

Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Oct 17, 2007, 11:51:30 AM
And no, this is not shit, or some speculation of mine, i have been told that.

Told by whom?

And regardless of what they may or may not have said about returning to an earlier style, the final product belies any such claim. 

The changes they've made over the course of A:R, AvP, and AvPR have been easily noted...and yet many of the 'problems' remain, even as they alter things that are better off left alone.  They only get further and further away from the original, not closer.

I actually like the new hugger colours, looks good. Burster doesnt really bother me, take a look back
at alien, all the bursters have a slight change, its no worse.

QuoteTold by whom?

From someone who has worked on the movie and has seen the movie in every cut.

QuoteThe changes they've made over the course of A:R, AvP, and AvPR have been easily noted...and yet many of the 'problems' remain, even as they alter things that are better off left alone.

Like i said, it wasnt in colins or the filmakers or ADI´s hands to re-design the aliens from scratch because of the budget.
The predator had priority to the filmmakers because he was really messed in avp, and when the design is shitty then you cant hide it with ligtning, then its just shitty.
The predalien swallowed a big part of the budget, actually the most, and because the budget was very tight they had to take the old aliens again and the only thing they could do was re-designing the heads slightly.
The predaliens design was an overall problem because the studio wanted to take the predalien in a different direction, a totally different direction then it is now.
And trust me, if we got that predalien, we actually all would start to cry and burn down the studio.

Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Oct 17, 2007, 12:05:40 PM
From someone who has worked on the movie and has seen the movie in every cut.

...and their name is...

QuoteLike i said, it wasnt in colins or the filmakers or ADI´s hands to re-design the aliens from scratch because of the budget.

Who said anything about 'from scratch'?  Like I said, the changes they make each film takes the Alien further from the original design.  Seldom do the alterations go in the right direction.  Or are you tellin' me it'd cost too much to go back to the non-A:R tails, for example?

QuoteThe predalien swallowed a big part of the budget

Money well spent.  No, wait...the opposite.  :)

QuoteAnd trust me, if we got that predalien, we actually all would start to cry and burn down the studio.

So the new one wins by default.  The very best, and most satisfying way to design an Alien.

Quote...and their name is...

Forget it, the man will get PM bombs if i spoil him.

QuoteOr are you tellin' me it'd cost too much to go back to the non-A:R tails, for example?

From what i have heard it actually would, there was no money for it simply, the predator and predalien and the heads had to be done from scratch, the budget just simply didnt allowed to do anything new.I know it sounds shitty, but thats actually the way it is.

QuoteMoney well spent.  No, wait...the opposite.

Thats a matter of opinions, i like the predalien, and he said that it will be very biomecanical, and thats exactly what took the time and money.

QuoteSo the new one wins by default.

Not by default actually, the really fought for the predalien, yes, they fought for it, because if not then the predalien wouldnt be an alien anymore.

...But the PA looks like poo.

Donkey poo to be exact...  ;D

Liking the pics, chestburster not so sure about.

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Oct 17, 2007, 12:22:45 PM
...But the PA looks like poo.

I think it will have its great moments in the movie, and actually, its impossible for a creature to look good in every shot in the movie, sometimes the alien looks shitty or fake in the originals too and the predator also.

Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Oct 17, 2007, 12:19:50 PM
Forget it, the man will get PM bombs if i spoil him.

Their real name, not their sign-in name.  As I've said before, an unsubstantiated, unattributable quote is worthless.

As for money versus Alien, I find that claim odd, seeing as there seem to be altered details on the arms and the legs compared to AvP.  So different head, arms, and legs...and ostensibly still the same as the last three tries.

Quote from: Uncanny Antman on Oct 17, 2007, 12:25:56 PM

Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Oct 17, 2007, 12:19:50 PM
Forget it, the man will get PM bombs if i spoil him.

Their real name, not their sign-in name.  As I've said before, an unsubstantiated, unattributable quote is worthless.

Nobody knows what his real name is, but he is also well known on IMDB.
And ehhmm...if you dont believe me... i dont give a shit to be honest.
Colin and greg already confirmed him to be part of the movie team on imdb.

Crom more than likely.  ::)

^Yeah, I figure that'd be the one.  Real big secret there.   ::)

So Johnny...now point me to where it was said that ADI wants to go back to the "old Alien" design.

Actually, I've heard that to. Something about wanted to redesign the entire Alien but most of the budget went on Wolf and Chet so they could only afford to do the head.

See, but 'not having the money to do a redesign' does not equal 'want to go back to original' at all.

The design changes for the ADI films were made for a reason.  "Someone" likes them, and thinks they are improvements.

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Oct 17, 2007, 12:31:46 PM
Crom more than likely.  ::)

That right, but you said that now, if the mans now gonna get a PM from every user then its not my fault but yours.
If he wants to say the things he said to me then im sure he would post it here in the forums for everyone to read, but he probably didnt for a good reason.

QuoteSo Johnny...now point me to where it was said that ADI wants to go back to the "old Alien" design.

I asked why we still get the same designs or atleast very similar to the rez ones.
he said that everyone thinks that this is ADI´s fault or the filmmakers fault, but that the budget simply doesnt allowed such changes.
He said they would love to go back to the old designs, but not for free. (of course.)

QuoteReal big secret there.

Youre right, its not a big secret, but soon people will send him pm´s and then he will simply dont answer anything at all.
I was just about to PM you the name. :)

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Oct 17, 2007, 12:34:03 PM
Actually, I've heard that to. Something about wanted to redesign the entire Alien but most of the budget went on Wolf and Chet so they could only afford to do the head.

If that is honestly true then its just fu<king ridiculous...FOX is fu<king ridiculous...how much can it possibly cost to redesign a creature? $100K, $300K...$500K!? Anything over $500K is just unbelievable... :-X

I dont want to blame fox on everything, but actually they messed a lot of things.
The first cut of the movie was over 2 hours, fox wanted to cut it down, so now it has the lenght like predator.
There will be a special edition dvd with a lot of extras like making of´s and deleted scenes and an extendet cut which is longer then the theatrical version of the movie, which will probably released later on.
The extendet cut will have more action scenes and actual killings and scares and nothing like the shitty extendet version from avp.
(actually his word)

liking the new burster and facerapist :P   dont see what the problem is, even if you dont like them they are the least shown in the movie, they only show them for a couple of secs :-\

Johnny, we've know about Crom for AGES.

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Oct 17, 2007, 01:10:18 PM
Johnny, we've know about Crom for AGES.

Then it´s all fine, i dont wanted to sound like a smartass, but i generally dont give away info from people that i write pm´s with or spoil they´re names.

Crom ain't exactly been a shrinking violet when it comes to 'inside info', so it's not like anyone has outed him.

man i was almost about to throw up. it's like seeing a bloody penis. i dont care if chestbursters were intended to look like one, it's totally disgusting imo. they should make it look less obvious. i swear if they took those mouth off it will look exackly like one.  :-X :-X :-X

Nah, keep the mouth, that way it's a dead-ringer for mine.

Twas a childhood accident, don't ask. ;)

Quote from: roguepl on Oct 17, 2007, 11:11:25 AM
God, how I hate this a:r, avp and avp2 chestbursters and their mouths!
It should look more like this:

As ever, RoguePL, your art is fantastic. :)

The head still needs to be changed, but the most obvious thing they should have done to improve it was to add the tendons on the mouth, as with the original versions. Just how expensive is it to wrap some condoms or other similar elastication around them?

Quote from: Gates on Oct 17, 2007, 11:14:24 AM
Is it just me or ever since AvP, the facehuggers haven't fit snuggly on the faces of the victims...? Compare the new picture to this one...

Precisely! The new chestburster design, plus the facehugger not clamping right, are the things I've been warning about. If the directors knew this was a problem, they should have done some tricks with the lighting or angles. If you know something doesn't join on tightly, then there are ways to make it look like it is.

Budget doesn't excuse this. They could have been inventive and a lot of stuff on 'Alien' was amazingly cheap. The stuff in the transluscent eggs? Scott's hands in a pair of washing-up gloves! The tendons lacking from the Aliens' mouths now? Condoms!

Did this production not even have the money for condoms? Or did ADI not realise and think the only way to do it was something incredibly expensive? In either case, that lack of knowledge does not reflect well on them.

How much does all the CGI cost? Tell me I'm wrong if you want to, but I think the vast majority of us would have preferred they spent the money on some of these insanely cheap changes, compared to, say, a brief shot of CGI facehuggers racing over stasis tubes. The latter is cool, don't get me wrong, but something stinks when they can lash out funds on that and not do a few simple camera tricks to make it look like facehuggers can do what they've been doing since 1979.

Again, this is not me saying the film is going to be crap. I'm sure it's going to be entertaining and I'm hoping for some good stuff, but these are publicity shots. These should be among the very best stuff they have, in order to get really positive publicity. So far, the vast majority of anything Alien is looking annoying fake and it's begun to become a pattern most of us are seeing.

I had at least been hoping that the chestbursters would be kept in the shadows, to cover up some of the mistakes in the design of them. The previews appeared to reflect that. Again, simple camera tricks to both hide and make their presence seem ominous. Instead, we now have a fully-lit one, right up close to the camera.

I'm really curious as to what Colin might say about it, as that was a directorial decision, not something to do with the budget. I really like the visual style of the general film, but this stuff is basic.

On one final point, ADI allegedly fought for a more realistic Predalien? Then why did a representative try to claim the visually superior 3D Custom Foam design was going to look almost exactly like what would be seen in the film? That's not being diplomatic, it's lying. Keeping ambiguously quiet about that would have been the better thing to do.

Quote from: Xenomorphine on Oct 17, 2007, 02:38:13 PM
Tell me I'm wrong if you want to, but I think the vast majority of us would have preferred they spent the money on some of these insanely cheap changes, compared to, say, a brief shot of CGI facehuggers racing over stasis tubes.

You're not wrong as far as I'm concerned.

Hopefully ADI aren't given the chance to rectify their creature blunders in future films, because I've certainly had enuff of 'em.

Wow! Interesting!!
I like the pics, the chestburster looks mean, yeah, phalic, and a little weird, but like a little mean mofo. And I like the fact that it's all bloody, as it should be!
Facehugger looks dirty!  We've never seen them attacking too far from the eggs (so they come out all clean and slimey), so I think it's cool that they show them in a realistic environment. Since they've been running around the forest, I mean.
Acid burns look pretty good to me!

Almost 2 months to go!! Woohoo!

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Its a scan, production shot blablablabla... It'll look much better when its moving.

An image gets released, we get to judge it.  Just the way it works, I'm afraid.

I try to make criticism constructive: What do I like? what don't I like? What are the ways I could think of for those responsible to have improved it?

But I also hope for improvement in the result we're going to watch. :)

Well, I think the chestburster looks alright. I've never really stared at one from the earlier movies and critiqued it, so I think the head looks alright.

The facehugger doesn't look like its doing much facehugging, but notice its tail not completely tightened. Perhaps its in the process of doing so. I like the  veins on the sacks too.

I don't care for the chestburster because of the big jaws. But hopefully it will last only a few seconds on screen. The shot of the burster from the GB trailer was pretty cool actually.

The pick of the facehugger is most likely designed from the queen hugger from part 3. I'm glad they got that in there. Very creepy looking! I don't know what's up with the pink flesh part though?

Hugger and Chestburster looks quite good. I hope that Predalien will look good in this film but I really hope than in next AvP (if there will be any) it will have normal head ( elongated, without crown and made to resemble Preds skull), and lack of fu*king dreadlocks.

Keep in mind that these are production shots. When we see them in the final film, they will look better.

But I do agree that the facehuggers don't actually hug the faces anymore. Is it that hard to have the air sacs wrapping around the cheeks?

I think the chestburster looks really good, very old school looking. Best looking chestbuster in a long time.

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A little chick is making a sound in my ear, it's going cheap, cheap, cheap.

I wonder who that burster is coming out of?


Btw, what did the article talk about? Any new tidbits in there?

no one noticed, that hugger is in the middle of the flight and is actually just starting to attach to the face?

chestburster. jesus christ, horrible. RougePL pic is soooo much better. i'm not buying that budget was so tight ADI couldn't afford pack of condoms to wrap the jaws, bs. Lack of tendons is just wrong, both on burster and adult ones. It makes them look fake as hell. These things, rigth with screwed up shoulders and enormous neck should be considered as abomination, not Chet.

hugger. well, i don't mind painting, looks quite good, but it's another useless change imo. the previous colour scheme makes them more elegant and threatening. and the pink? pink is trendy now i guess ::) ;)

and face, huh, looks nice.

Quote from: echobbase79 on Oct 17, 2007, 04:38:26 PM
I wonder who that burster is coming out of?

The chestburster is coming out of the father. Same blue jacket as the guy facehugged in picture 2.

i think these chestbursters replicate something of the male human anatomy... kinda weird. The face huggers have a really different look from the previous facehggers as well. Well, cant really complain though, at least this movie will be 10x better than the first. Agree? ???

Quote from: Otnip on Oct 17, 2007, 03:29:09 PM
The facehugger doesn't look like its doing much facehugging, but notice its tail not completely tightened. Perhaps its in the process of doing so. I like the veins on the sacks too.

No, it's already held on. It's got precisely the same problem the ones in 'Alien Versus Predator' had. Look at the scenes where they're in the process of impregnation and you see they're just as loosely fixed around the heads.

This should had been one of those things the directors were supposedly going to fix. It stood out massively in the previous film. They should have used other camera angles, which still might happen after the definitive edit, but if so, have to wonder why they're using one of these as publicity.

Quote from: echobbase79 on Oct 17, 2007, 03:45:53 PM
I don't care for the chestburster because of the big jaws. But hopefully it will last only a few seconds on screen. The shot of the burster from the GB trailer was pretty cool actually.

Yeah, they were. Mainly because, as I said, they kept them in shadow and showed off the very realistic movements. Putting them in strong lighting, especially close up, makes them look fake.

QuoteThe pick of the facehugger is most likely designed from the queen hugger from part 3. I'm glad they got that in there. Very creepy looking! I don't know what's up with the pink flesh part though?

No, it's a normal facehugger. I'm willing to entertain the possibility that the pink area might be due to a struggle or wild animal attempting to take a bite. What frustrates me is the lack of clamping over face.

Quote from: vehtam on Oct 17, 2007, 04:42:28 PM
no one noticed, that hugger is in the middle of the flight and is actually just starting to attach to the face?

No, that's been done. The preview showed us that it clamps in mid-air. It really looked great. Contrasting against this, on screen, however, is going to be really jarring for the viewer.

Is it just me, or is the chestburster design in James Cameron's Aliens the best one that there is?  I don't know about the rest of you, but I think the little arms on it really help the overall effect.

The chestburster did surprise me for something else, but wasnt it originally designed to look like a penis shaped? I think it looks great as long as its portrayed in shadow and good lighting, it does remind me of the "Aliens" Chestburster. NOW the facehugger at first looked like a queen hugger, but thats cool how the directors incorparated that into the movie, well the colors. Thats actually great! So far my happy level is up 90%.

QuoteNo, it's a normal facehugger. I'm willing to entertain the possibility that the pink area might be due to a struggle or wild animal attempting to take a bite.

It appears to be missing a didget.

Quote from: schwa on Oct 17, 2007, 05:44:51 PM
Is it just me, or is the chestburster design in James Cameron's Aliens the best one that there is?  I don't know about the rest of you, but I think the little arms on it really help the overall effect.

Yeah, the Aliens design is the best. This one has a mouth that's too big.

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at least this time around we will see the chestbuster pop out - overall not bad cann't wait to see it on screen

Hopefully it will make it into the film without any cuts.

I wonder if the father and son burst together because they were faced hugged at around the same time.

I think they probably will. Dad will go first, boy freaks out, he dies too.

Chhers for the information Johny. Sound like the Predalien was going to be a black predator with a tail.

Quote
Are we just really picky or has the industry just lost touch with these movies?

Should realize by now that even if something was designed to a person's exact specifications, another dozen would be bitching because it isn't what they envisioned.

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The chestburster looks great in the sewer scene in the greenband/population trailer.

No, it's the worst thing in this movie so far.

i dont want to start anything, but the chestbuster looks like it has a retactable head. :-\

Quote from: YutaniDitch on Oct 17, 2007, 10:47:37 AM
OK...the hugger now has VEINS on the 'oxygen sacs' (my term)... :o

And what's with that pink flesh on top of the hugger...?  ???

The chestburster looks indeed like a sausage or a penis...whichever way you wanna put it... :D >:(

And the beginning stages of the acid effects on the blonde guy  look good, although a bit Freddy Krueger-ish, if you ask me... Nevertheless, this is not bad for reference make-up...the rest will be done on a puppet enhanced with CG, as I mentioned before...the puppet thing, not the CG...I actually though they would be doing an Alien or Alien 3 acid effect...like the acid falling on the cryotube or on the Nostromo's floor... :(

chestburster looks like a squid-like creature.  i like it.  the pink flesh on the hugger looks to me like the guy fired at it before it leaped at him and took off a leg.

Quote from: Porkus Maximus on Oct 17, 2007, 06:06:31 PM

QuoteNo, it's a normal facehugger. I'm willing to entertain the possibility that the pink area might be due to a struggle or wild animal attempting to take a bite.

It appears to be missing a didget.

Thats what i thought at first, but i'm sure they are all there, plus the fact the scar would not be pink? guess we'll have to wait..

Quote from: CSRMILLER on Oct 17, 2007, 06:25:03 PM
Chhers for the information Johny. Sound like the Predalien was going to be a black predator with a tail.

The predalien was going to be much more predator like, not just in terms of look but also behavior.
The studio wanted the predalien to use predator technology and weapons and even wanted the predalien to use the cloaking device.
It was a fight for the filmmakers to convince the studio that the predalien should be alien and if the filmmakers wouldnt had the balls to go against that then the studio would have completely f**ked us all over.

I don't like the facehugger design that much. Im suprised that they didn't nail that one. How hard is it to replicate non-cgi special effects that they've done so many times before? That pink part is really f**ked up, and the lighting..etc. better be better than this in the actual film, since the exo-skeletal structure on the facehugger(wtf?) does look really fake, like the design on a rubber mask.

Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Oct 17, 2007, 08:12:17 PM
[...] It was a fight for the filmmakers to convince the studio that the predalien should be alien and if the filmmakers wouldnt had the balls to go against that then the studio would have completely f**ked us all over.

Well I can't lie...my respect for the brothers just went up a few notches...

Facehuggers have had that pink area since AVP.

Quote from: Noir-Gojira on Oct 17, 2007, 08:33:26 PM
Facehuggers have had that pink area since AVP.

And its not going to be so pink in the movie, the picture is over-coloured anyway.

I'm actually a little disappionted about there only being three pics. I thought this issue was going to be "the big one"...

Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Oct 17, 2007, 08:36:43 PM

Quote from: Noir-Gojira on Oct 17, 2007, 08:33:26 PM
Facehuggers have had that pink area since AVP.

And its not going to be so pink in the movie, the picture is over-coloured anyway.

yea hopefully it looks diffrent in the movie

Hey everybody. I have a little favour to ask.

Recently in one of Fangorias Issues there was, a article called Monster Invasion, where AvP: R shots were posted. There was supposed to be one fake in them. I don't have access to Fangoria in my Country, can anyone show me a scan or a picture of this one particular page? I'd be really grateful.

Cheers

Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Oct 17, 2007, 08:12:17 PM
The predalien was going to be much more predator like, not just in terms of look but also behavior.
The studio wanted the predalien to use predator technology and weapons and even wanted the predalien to use the cloaking device.

...Never heard that one.

Quote from: SiL on Oct 17, 2007, 08:40:01 PM

Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Oct 17, 2007, 08:12:17 PM
The predalien was going to be much more predator like, not just in terms of look but also behavior.
The studio wanted the predalien to use predator technology and weapons and even wanted the predalien to use the cloaking device.

...Never heard that one.

I had a long conversation with "crom", he gave me a big chunk of knowledge, and actually i was shocked that fox wanted to do that.
He also said that they had to fight for other things too, but didnt said what exactly.
Everybody was moaning that the new directors didnt have the balls like james cameron and david fincher to fight back for what they wanted, well, that is wrong i guess.
The strauses had the balls.

Heard about the design issues, but not the Pred tech.

Ever since AR Fox has gone into stupid land with its creative decisions. The Alien films never should've left Giler, Hill and Carrol (RIP).

Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Oct 17, 2007, 08:43:37 PM

Quote from: SiL on Oct 17, 2007, 08:40:01 PM

Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Oct 17, 2007, 08:12:17 PM
The predalien was going to be much more predator like, not just in terms of look but also behavior.
The studio wanted the predalien to use predator technology and weapons and even wanted the predalien to use the cloaking device.

...Never heard that one.

I had a long conversation with "crom", he gave me a big chunk of knowledge, and actually i was shocked that fox wanted to do that.
He also said that they had to fight for other things too, but didnt said what exactly.
Everybody was moaning that the new directors didnt have the balls like james cameron and david fincher to fight back for what they wanted, well, that is wrong i guess.
The strauses had the balls.

The bros have my respect now alot more lol....god Fox is stupid...
Fox: how bout you give the Predator pigtails!!!

Quote from: SiL on Oct 17, 2007, 08:47:13 PM
Heard about the design issues, but not the Pred tech.

Ever since AR Fox has gone into stupid land with its creative decisions. The Alien films never should've left Giler, Hill and Carrol (RIP).

Thats true, but there must be something good about the current producer, i mean that guy did predator.

Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Oct 17, 2007, 08:43:37 PM

Quote from: SiL on Oct 17, 2007, 08:40:01 PM

Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Oct 17, 2007, 08:12:17 PM
The predalien was going to be much more predator like, not just in terms of look but also behavior.
The studio wanted the predalien to use predator technology and weapons and even wanted the predalien to use the cloaking device.

...Never heard that one.

I had a long conversation with "crom", he gave me a big chunk of knowledge, and actually i was shocked that fox wanted to do that.
He also said that they had to fight for other things too, but didnt said what exactly.
Everybody was moaning that the new directors didnt have the balls like james cameron and david fincher to fight back for what they wanted, well, that is wrong i guess.
The strauses had the balls.

Fox is dumb! WTF! a cloaking device for the predalien!  ::)

Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Oct 17, 2007, 08:43:37 PM

Quote from: SiL on Oct 17, 2007, 08:40:01 PM

Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Oct 17, 2007, 08:12:17 PM
The predalien was going to be much more predator like, not just in terms of look but also behavior.
The studio wanted the predalien to use predator technology and weapons and even wanted the predalien to use the cloaking device.

...Never heard that one.

I had a long conversation with "crom", he gave me a big chunk of knowledge, and actually i was shocked that fox wanted to do that.
He also said that they had to fight for other things too, but didnt said what exactly.
Everybody was moaning that the new directors didnt have the balls like james cameron and david fincher to fight back for what they wanted, well, that is wrong i guess.
The strauses had the balls.

it depends how it would be realised.

hmm i always thought about aliens as an intelligent alien life forms, not just dumb animals without brains. i wouldn't mind an intelligent, thinking predalien, which would took cloaking device from predator at some point of the movie and learn how to push the button to cloak itself and take advantage in surviving the whole mess.

well, seems like instead of thinking xenomorph, dumb retards, becoming completly harmless when caught by the throat, are much more better for you all  ???

Quote from: echobbase79 on Oct 17, 2007, 08:51:32 PM

Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Oct 17, 2007, 08:43:37 PM

Quote from: SiL on Oct 17, 2007, 08:40:01 PM

Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Oct 17, 2007, 08:12:17 PM
The predalien was going to be much more predator like, not just in terms of look but also behavior.
The studio wanted the predalien to use predator technology and weapons and even wanted the predalien to use the cloaking device.

...Never heard that one.

I had a long conversation with "crom", he gave me a big chunk of knowledge, and actually i was shocked that fox wanted to do that.
He also said that they had to fight for other things too, but didnt said what exactly.
Everybody was moaning that the new directors didnt have the balls like james cameron and david fincher to fight back for what they wanted, well, that is wrong i guess.
The strauses had the balls.

Fox is dumb! WTF! a cloaking device for the predalien!  ::)

Yup, sounds unbelievable doesn´t it?
But thats the way it was, i love fox, i love the movies from fox (most of them) and i love the cool logo... but they are dumbasses, or atleast turned into dumbasses.

Quoteit depends how it would be realised.

hmm i always thought about aliens as an intelligent alien life forms, not just dumb animals without brains. i wouldn't mind an intelligent, thinking predalien, which would took cloaking device from predator at some point of the movie and learn how to push the button to cloak itself and take advantage in surviving the whole mess.

well, seems like instead of thinking xenomorph, dumb retards, becoming completly harmless when caught by the throat, are much more better for you all  Huh

Are you working at fox?
No, just kidding...  ;)
If you like the idea... but i say that there are better ways to show the aliens intelligence without the predalien using predator weapons and cloaking device.

Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Oct 17, 2007, 08:51:09 PM
Thats true, but there must be something good about the current producer, i mean that guy did predator.

That guy also said Earth was best for AvP.

In the end it was a pretty hollow victory re the PredAlien. It still looks like ass.

Well, it's not that bad to be honest of course it's not going to be the best thing possible, they have a lack of money a lack of great designers. no Stan or Giger, or time it was probally rushed and Fox and the geniuses like they are probally had soemthing to do with it

And didn't Fox want it to look more Predator than Alien?

I think I remember reading a quote in a thread where the makers wanted more Alien but the company said more Predator when it came to the predalien.

Quote from: SiL on Oct 17, 2007, 08:58:24 PM

Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Oct 17, 2007, 08:51:09 PM
Thats true, but there must be something good about the current producer, i mean that guy did predator.

That guy also said Earth was best for AvP.

In the end it was a pretty hollow victory re the PredAlien. It still looks like ass.

Thats a matter of opinions, i think there is nothing wrong with the predalien, and i like the earth setting and there are plenty of ways you can make this work on earth.
The aliens dont belong to earth, and the predator not in the future in space with colonial marines, technically, these franchises are not to combine.

Quotend didn't Fox want it to look for Predator than Alien? I think I remember reading a quote in thread where the makers wanted more Alien but the company said more Predator.

They wanted a predator with alien features for the predalien and not the other way arround, and it was a tough thing to convince the studio to make it vice versa.

Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Oct 17, 2007, 08:57:45 PM
Are you working at fox?
No, just kidding...  ;)
If you like the idea... but i say that there are better ways to show the aliens intelligence without the predalien using predator weapons and cloaking device.

and i truly hope there will be scenes showing that in the movie, and i definetly don't have in mind 'building a ladder from stuff in a garage' ones while thinking about this. hmm, weapons is indeed bad idea, but cloaking device would be nice touch.

however i think propably fox would want it as a natural ability of predalien or something similiar, so probably it's better that way  ;)

So they basically wanted a predator with a tail!?!  ::) LAME!

Quote from: Gates on Oct 17, 2007, 11:14:24 AM
Is it just me or ever since AvP, the facehuggers haven't fit snuggly on the faces of the victims...? Compare the new picture to this one...

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It's like the air-sacks don't wrap around the lower cheek and jaw anymore...  :-\

yeh I noticed that...especially in AVP, and thats one of the things I really liked because it seems like the facehuggers arn't really gripping the face very tight so they don't seem as scary.

But this is just a picture, maybe they'll look more secure and better colored in the movie then just from this one picture.

The difference between chestburster designs mirrors the quality of the movies well: The old ones were phallic, the new one is just a dick.

Quote from: echobbase79 on Oct 17, 2007, 09:10:34 PM
So they basically wanted a predator with a tail!?!  ::) LAME!

Not just lame, but idiotic.

Quote from: Brightside on Oct 17, 2007, 09:19:38 PM
The difference between chestburster designs mirrors the quality of the movies well: The old ones were phallic, the new one is just a dick.

great analogy actually....the old chestbursters seemed phallic like and you didn't really look at them and says "hey.... it's a dick.......but there not terrible now, there just a lot different.

Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Oct 17, 2007, 09:20:21 PM

Quote from: echobbase79 on Oct 17, 2007, 09:10:34 PM
So they basically wanted a predator with a tail!?!  ::) LAME!

Not just lame, but idiotic.

These are obvious ideas from suits who think they have a brain.

Quote from: echobbase79 on Oct 17, 2007, 09:31:42 PM

Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Oct 17, 2007, 09:20:21 PM

Quote from: echobbase79 on Oct 17, 2007, 09:10:34 PM
So they basically wanted a predator with a tail!?!  ::) LAME!

Not just lame, but idiotic.

These are obvious ideas from suits who think they have a brain.

Ha ha, yeah.

Looking over all the available images of the PredAlien, I see nothing biomech about it. It's got plated skin, but that's about it. There are no tubes or car parts, just swirls and seams.

There goes that idea.

QuoteThere are no tubes or car parts, just swirls and seams.

Maybe there are some shots in the movie that really shows us the detail, maybe its more biomechanical then we think.
And there is a shot in the trailers where we see the predator extending his wristblades and we see the predaliens leg, it looks very biomech.

I admit that I am enemy of Predaliens design and I would like it to look like combination of those three:
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But I would not survive the Predalien who actually uses technology. To far Fox, just to far.

Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Oct 17, 2007, 09:47:11 PM

QuoteThere are no tubes or car parts, just swirls and seams.

Maybe there are some shots in the movie that really shows us the detail, maybe its more biomechanical then we think.
And there is a shot in the trailers where we see the predator extending his wristblades and we see the predaliens leg, it looks very biomech.

Yeh this shot-
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The chestburster disappoints me now that the image is clear. Subtlety is an element these films have been missing for some time. The cowl doesn't leave anything for the imagination.

The facehugger...well, the jury's still out on that. If it's a redesign, I don't really mind it. My sole complaints are on the way it make them look so loose and the pink vaginal parts being as overdone as the chestburster.

Quote from: PatrinAVP11 on Oct 17, 2007, 09:55:08 PM

Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Oct 17, 2007, 09:47:11 PM

QuoteThere are no tubes or car parts, just swirls and seams.

Maybe there are some shots in the movie that really shows us the detail, maybe its more biomechanical then we think.
And there is a shot in the trailers where we see the predator extending his wristblades and we see the predaliens leg, it looks very biomech.

Yeh this shot-
http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/3471/avpregreen100107wmvhighgl9.jpg

The leg looks very biomech in that shot.
It´s atleast something that they did for the biomech look.

biomechanical predalien should look like that

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however i like Chet very much  ;)

Quote from: vehtam on Oct 17, 2007, 10:28:04 PM
biomechanical predalien should look like that

http://www.monsterz.net/pmc/topnewspic/Predalien2006_7_s.jpg

however i like Chet very much  ;)

Well actually it looks a lot like this, especially the mandibles and mouth area.
The dreads are different, but on the same place as in the movie.

well I don't really see a huge change in the chestburster, and the chestburster we saw in the trailer, the green band trailer, in the sewer? I think it looked really good, kinda like the first movie Alien one. Fangoria might have gotten a bad picture of the chestburster, and same thing with the facehugger, it might just be a bad picture, but I do like the new darker coloring on it, I hopt its not to dark, and the flesh color dosn't really seem needed. but I wouldn't be so quick to judge untill we see it.
I think that picture looks a little too much like an alien, it should have a different skin tone, but it still a good looking predalien, And I for one have loved what I've seen of the predalien so far, I think it looks fantastic, bigger and just over all more nastier looking, I love the shot in the green band trailer of it roaring and throwing his arms back, its such a great shot ;D

Quote from: SiL on Oct 17, 2007, 08:58:24 PM

Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Oct 17, 2007, 08:51:09 PM
Thats true, but there must be something good about the current producer, i mean that guy did predator.

That guy also said Earth was best for AvP.

In the end it was a pretty hollow victory re the PredAlien. It still looks like ass.

That guy is also producing Sims The Movie. 'Nuff said.

Hey, the saturation in the hugger pick is high.

^Ya...I agree.

"Oh, the Sims is such a great game, it would make a great movie...about people...doing...stuff.

Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Oct 17, 2007, 10:00:40 PM
The leg looks very biomech in that shot.

No, no it doesn't.

It's swirls. You want a biomech leg?

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That's a biomech leg. Tubes and car parts and all sorts of mechanical bits, not freaking swirls. Even the ribbed section you can see very faintly on the leg is wrong.

nice, very nice....

Like the thinness of it, the new ones are too bulky

Actually, if you look at the pink bit on the hugger, you can see its to the side of the hugger's spine. On the other side of the spine, you can see the edge of a digit. This hugger has 9 fingers.

Ya, the Predalien leg doesn't look biomechanical to me.

The Predalien is more reptile hence Fox wanting more Predator in the creature.

I love those original Alien suit shots.

Quote from: vehtam on Oct 17, 2007, 10:28:04 PM
biomechanical predalien should look like that

http://www.monsterz.net/pmc/topnewspic/Predalien2006_7_s.jpg

however i like Chet very much  ;)

That is a good way to pull off the Predalien look IMO, although I'd make the dreads a bit different..

It has arms!

 AvP facehuggers looks fake. The avp 2 Facehugger looks real.

Quote from: roguepl on Oct 17, 2007, 11:11:25 AM
God, how I hate this a:r, avp and avp2 chestbursters and their mouths!
It should look more like this:

http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/3815/chestburstlj5.jpg

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Excellent point!  Their chestburster with that big mouth looks more like a hot dog with teeth.  This is a nice re-do/touch up.  This looks MUCH MORE authentic.  Much like the original chestburster in Alien.  Hopefully Greg or Colin will get a look at it.  It wouldn't be hard for them to change it in the film.  If you notice, their adult Alien also has that exaggerated mouth unlike the original.  Some light CG could fix this up nicely.  Hopefully it's not too late.

Do you guys seriously think they will do that?

I wish.

a new chestburster looks like a penis with mouth.
and a new facehugger has male balls - round, big and covered with veins. )))

Quote from: John-Kormag III on Oct 18, 2007, 01:17:33 AM
a new chestburster looks like a penis with mouth.
and a new facehugger has male balls - round, big and covered with veins. )))

This isn't new.

I hope they cut around the chestbursters as much as possible. They just don't look good.

If not, not every film is perfect.

QuoteThis isn't new

i come here maybe 1 time per several months, sorry.

Quote from: SiL on Oct 17, 2007, 11:25:39 PM

Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Oct 17, 2007, 10:00:40 PM
The leg looks very biomech in that shot.

No, no it doesn't.



http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l305/pcpm/Bodysuit1.jpg
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l305/pcpm/Bodysuit3.jpg




thats a stupid looking monster :o it looks like sh*t, aliens desgin is way better, i like chet a milion times better then that crap. 

back on topic, its not the end of the world if the burster and facehuggers are a bit off because you mostlyt see them in the dark and very quick shots

Quote from: karhan on Oct 18, 2007, 02:41:49 PM
thats a stupid looking monster :o it looks like sh*t, aliens desgin is way better, i like chet a milion times better then that crap.

Bite your tongue!  You are the reason we're gettin' the walking turds we've been getting the last decade.  You, and you alone.  :)

hey man , iam just saying i dont like that design at all so back off, it looks like  the tinman from the wizzard of ozz, and who are you calling me a turdhead >:( 

Quote from: Uncanny Antman on Oct 18, 2007, 02:45:23 PM

Quote from: karhan on Oct 18, 2007, 02:41:49 PM
thats a stupid looking monster :o it looks like sh*t, aliens desgin is way better, i like chet a milion times better then that crap.

Bite your tongue!  You are the reason we're gettin' the walking turds we've been getting the last decade.  You, and you alone.  :)

If he likes the other design better then its the way it is.
The original alien has the best body, the aliens from "aliens" the best head, combine them and you have the prefect alien.
Thats my opinion.

Can no one detect a teasing tone even when a smiley gets used?  Jeez.

And I didn't call you a 'turdhead', karhan.  Pay a little more attention when reading before replying.

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Yep, spot-on.

Giger's creation crushes Chet by a long shot. But I do like the new Aliens though for AvP: R.

They went for a more Aliens approach to them than a Alien look.

Nice Tinman pic! :)

When I firs saw Predalien, I thought that it would be looking quite nice without dreadlocks, but now I am not so sure. Of coure dreadlocks are still a thing that I despise, but I also have a feeling that this design was done fast and without proper care. They took normal alien, and glued him mandibles and dreadlocks. When they realised that glue is visible in the places where dreadlocks are atached to head they give him crown ;) But still I don`t feel any speciality or innovation in this desing, which IMHO should be in this creature cause it came from host that has nothing in common with any previous alien hosts.   

Does anyone else think the coloring on the facehugger has less to do with a random change and more like an exact copy of the Predator body colors? Yellow skin with brown, airbrushed highlights. Little dark spots around those dark highlights? Bright pink area (although I know that area is already on the facehuggers in AVP and A:R but still...)  This is how you paint a predator (Predator 2 not withstanding).

I hate to say it but remember how we were all worried the Bros. comment about Chet wanting to reproduce? I would say this could be a big hint about that. I hope not but why the heck else would they paint the facebugger that way all of sudden? It would make sense from the logic of it being Chet's baby-maker.

Just saying...

The chestburster is good but I really love the facehugger. Painted like that it looks more scary and meaner and it also suits the [forest]enviroment.

Quotethats a stupid looking monster :o it looks like sh*t, aliens desgin is way better, i like chet a milion times better then that crap. 

It's ironic cos that pretty much is the Aliens design. I pity da fool who makes a dumbass of himself while bashing something ;D

Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Oct 18, 2007, 02:49:56 PM
The original alien has the best body, the aliens from "aliens" the best head, combine them and you have the prefect alien.

...That's exactly what the Aliens Aliens were.

Quote from: SiL on Oct 18, 2007, 08:38:02 PM

Quotethats a stupid looking monster :o it looks like sh*t, aliens desgin is way better, i like chet a milion times better then that crap. 

It's ironic cos that pretty much is the Aliens design. I pity da fool who makes a dumbass of himself while bashing something ;D

Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Oct 18, 2007, 02:49:56 PM
The original alien has the best body, the aliens from "aliens" the best head, combine them and you have the prefect alien.

...That's exactly what the Aliens Aliens were.

But the Alien alien was detailed to the smallest tube, while in Aliens they were spandex and plastic bits colored brown.

The colouring of the facehugger looks to me like it was only intended to be used in conjunction with the cinematography. It's something that's happened in other Alien movies amongst many others outside the franchise. Take a weird looking paint job, put it in the right balance of shadow and carefully placed light, and it looks absolutely fantastic. Trust me on this- i did model animation at university for three years!

Quote from: Alienseseses on Oct 18, 2007, 10:58:26 PM
But the Alien alien was detailed to the smallest tube, while in Aliens they were spandex and plastic bits colored brown.

Just the stunt suits. The others were detailed.

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Flying vaginas.  Can I coin the term nut sac on wheels instead?  8)

The facehugger now looks completely like a hand. Not the facehugger from the old movies. Why is that such a hard design to stick to? Chestburster is better than I expected, the one from AVP was horrible, not even blood on it (not that that had anything to do with the design)

^It's hard to say 100% yet, but from the details we have so far, the chestburster seems to be from the same molds as AvP.  If there's any variation, it's pretty minor.

Quote from: Lee Yutani on Oct 18, 2007, 11:56:44 PM
Can I coin the term nut sac on wheels instead?

Sorry, already taken.  That was what they called "The Fast and the Furious" when they released it in Thailand. ;)

Quote from: Xenomorphine on Oct 18, 2007, 11:34:18 PM

Quote from: Alienseseses on Oct 18, 2007, 10:58:26 PM
But the Alien alien was detailed to the smallest tube, while in Aliens they were spandex and plastic bits colored brown.

Just the stunt suits. The others were detailed.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y18/xenomorphine/alien_4.jpg

I would just like to take note.  Look at the tubes on the back of this alien.  Very authentic.  Traditional curvature, complete with biomechanoid appearance.  Is it just me or do the "tubes" coming out of the aliens in AVP-R look like broomsticks.  I hate to be too much of a stickler but come on.  These are the details that make the alien what it is.  I deeply respect the Stauase brothers for bringing the franchise back to where it needs to be but let's take it the distance.  If it's a budget issue then I understand but if not then, well, hmmmmm.  From watching the trailers it is clear that these guys are really tuned in to the essence if the alien concept so why the breach of detail? 

Quote from: Luckygreycat on Oct 19, 2007, 07:49:40 AM
Is it just me or do the "tubes" coming out of the aliens in AVP-R look like broomsticks.

It's just you. 

They actually look more like long turds.  They even narrow at the end just like it's been pinched off.  ;)

A:R and AvP had the same deal going, and I don't particularly like seeing them back yet again.  We're stuck with 'em.  :(

Quote from: Uncanny Antman on Oct 19, 2007, 10:45:18 AM
[...] They even narrow at the end just like it's been pinched off.  ;)

:D

First things first: WHERE'S YOUR SH!TTER!? I've got a turtle-head poking out!
                                                                                               ~Fat Bastard

Quote...That's exactly what the Aliens Aliens were.

Thats not true, there were changes, the hands for example.

i don't know about you guys, but this pic from the Neca Alien looks great to me!

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Quote from: Demonio Cazador on Oct 19, 2007, 02:55:42 PM
i don't know about you guys, but this pic from the Neca Alien looks great to me!

http://www.avpgalaxy.net/cutenews/data/upimages/18102007_02.jpg

Yeah...like someone has hammered it's head from the sides...They must be getting anorectic for their old age...Look at that slim head... I tell ya, they are getting less scary by the movie... ;D :D ;)

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i love it, it even has the strandss on its mouth, thats a first and gives it a real alien look. it even looks like it has a retactable head (queen maybe?????no) its the most detaiiled so far and my fav

Quote from: brad873 on Oct 19, 2007, 04:20:53 PM
http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/3815/chestburstlj5.jpg

i love it, it even has the strandss on its mouth, thats a first and gives it a real alien look. it even looks like it has a retactable head (queen maybe?????no) its the most detaiiled so far and my fav
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Thats not the real one, that one is photoshoped, the mouth is diferent

ahhh, sorry, mix up, but its still the best lookin one yet

Could someone scan the text please?

Thank you.

where are the chestburster arms?
why is the facehugger pink and yellow?
how is that guy not dead?  ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ???

Quote from: Xenomorphine on Oct 18, 2007, 11:34:18 PM

Quote from: Alienseseses on Oct 18, 2007, 10:58:26 PM
But the Alien alien was detailed to the smallest tube, while in Aliens they were spandex and plastic bits colored brown.

Just the stunt suits. The others were detailed.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y18/xenomorphine/alien_4.jpg

That alien looks like it's covered in cum lol.

Quote from: TheUrbanPredator on Oct 19, 2007, 07:22:17 PM

Quote from: Xenomorphine on Oct 18, 2007, 11:34:18 PM

Quote from: Alienseseses on Oct 18, 2007, 10:58:26 PM
But the Alien alien was detailed to the smallest tube, while in Aliens they were spandex and plastic bits colored brown.

Just the stunt suits. The others were detailed.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y18/xenomorphine/alien_4.jpg

That alien looks like it's covered in cum lol.

:D :D :D
I thought it all day long but i couldnt say it.
That alien has just shot a porno ;D ;)

Quote from: pred man on Oct 19, 2007, 07:13:09 PM
where are the chestburster arms?
why is the facehugger pink and yellow?
how is that guy not dead?  ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ???

where are the chestburster arms?
I thought I saw some, but now they just look like stubs, like in Alien, A:R, and AVP.

why is the facehugger pink and yellow?
Why not?

how is that guy not dead?  ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ???
He is. That's a production shot of the actor with make-up.

Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Oct 19, 2007, 07:24:08 PM

Quote from: TheUrbanPredator on Oct 19, 2007, 07:22:17 PM

Quote from: Xenomorphine on Oct 18, 2007, 11:34:18 PM

Quote from: Alienseseses on Oct 18, 2007, 10:58:26 PM
But the Alien alien was detailed to the smallest tube, while in Aliens they were spandex and plastic bits colored brown.

Just the stunt suits. The others were detailed.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y18/xenomorphine/alien_4.jpg

That alien looks like it's covered in cum lol.

:D :D :D
I thought it all day long but i couldnt say it.
That alien has just shot a porno ;D ;)

I was thinking about saying that as well, I wonder who covered him :P

QuoteI was thinking about saying that as well, I wonder who covered him

Either Stan Winston or James Cameron... i guess... :-[

Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Oct 19, 2007, 07:51:24 PM

QuoteI was thinking about saying that as well, I wonder who covered him

Either Stan Winston or James Cameron... i guess... :-[

Unless Stan Winston Studios had an orgy about how cool the Warrior Alien looks :P

Quote from: WisePredator on Oct 19, 2007, 07:47:35 PM

Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Oct 19, 2007, 07:24:08 PM

Quote from: TheUrbanPredator on Oct 19, 2007, 07:22:17 PM

Quote from: Xenomorphine on Oct 18, 2007, 11:34:18 PM

Quote from: Alienseseses on Oct 18, 2007, 10:58:26 PM
But the Alien alien was detailed to the smallest tube, while in Aliens they were spandex and plastic bits colored brown.

Just the stunt suits. The others were detailed.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y18/xenomorphine/alien_4.jpg

That alien looks like it's covered in cum lol.

:D :D :D
I thought it all day long but i couldnt say it.
That alien has just shot a porno ;D ;)

I was thinking about saying that as well, I wonder who covered him :P

i was thikin it to, but i didnt say anything. what seen is that from

I think that is from the scene where the Queen calls off her guards.

Quotehow is that guy not dead?  ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ???

Oh yes, because you MUST die if you get some acid on your face!

is that a guy or a girl????????????????????????????

Quote from: Noir-Gojira on Oct 19, 2007, 08:25:03 PM

Quotehow is that guy not dead?  ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ???

Oh yes, because you MUST die if you get some acid on your face!

well its eating into his forehead and thus his brain. He just happens to not be completely dead yet in the pic. I doubt he'll survive the brutal acid bath he received.lol

Quote from: Luckygreycat on Oct 18, 2007, 12:19:50 AM

Quote from: roguepl on Oct 17, 2007, 11:11:25 AM
God, how I hate this a:r, avp and avp2 chestbursters and their mouths!
It should look more like this:

http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/3815/chestburstlj5.jpg

http://members.iinet.com.au/~jaherne/alienhost/xenomorph/chestburster1.jpg

Excellent point!  Their chestburster with that big mouth looks more like a hot dog with teeth.  This is a nice re-do/touch up.  This looks MUCH MORE authentic.  Much like the original chestburster in Alien.  Hopefully Greg or Colin will get a look at it.  It wouldn't be hard for them to change it in the film.  If you notice, their adult Alien also has that exaggerated mouth unlike the original.  Some light CG could fix this up nicely.  Hopefully it's not too late.

We should sign a petition.

Quote from: ballzanya on Oct 19, 2007, 09:10:16 PM

Quote from: Noir-Gojira on Oct 19, 2007, 08:25:03 PM

Quotehow is that guy not dead?  ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ???

Oh yes, because you MUST die if you get some acid on your face!

well its eating into his forehead and thus his brain. He just happens to not be completely dead yet in the pic. I doubt he'll survive the brutal acid bath he received.lol

Because they lather him up in the special effects make up, then lay him on the ground, then when they do the digital FX, they just have to add little bits of CGI on top of the already burnt face.

This is him before that shot obvioulsy, fooling around on set.

Quote from: Alienseseses on Oct 19, 2007, 09:14:37 PM

Quote from: Luckygreycat on Oct 18, 2007, 12:19:50 AM

Quote from: roguepl on Oct 17, 2007, 11:11:25 AM
God, how I hate this a:r, avp and avp2 chestbursters and their mouths!
It should look more like this:

http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/3815/chestburstlj5.jpg

http://members.iinet.com.au/~jaherne/alienhost/xenomorph/chestburster1.jpg

Excellent point!  Their chestburster with that big mouth looks more like a hot dog with teeth.  This is a nice re-do/touch up.  This looks MUCH MORE authentic.  Much like the original chestburster in Alien.  Hopefully Greg or Colin will get a look at it.  It wouldn't be hard for them to change it in the film.  If you notice, their adult Alien also has that exaggerated mouth unlike the original.  Some light CG could fix this up nicely.  Hopefully it's not too late.

We should sign a petition.

That looks a little better, but the chin still looks weird.

Quote from: ballzanya on Oct 19, 2007, 09:25:40 PM

Quote from: Alienseseses on Oct 19, 2007, 09:14:37 PM

Quote from: Luckygreycat on Oct 18, 2007, 12:19:50 AM

Quote from: roguepl on Oct 17, 2007, 11:11:25 AM
God, how I hate this a:r, avp and avp2 chestbursters and their mouths!
It should look more like this:

http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/3815/chestburstlj5.jpg

http://members.iinet.com.au/~jaherne/alienhost/xenomorph/chestburster1.jpg

Excellent point!  Their chestburster with that big mouth looks more like a hot dog with teeth.  This is a nice re-do/touch up.  This looks MUCH MORE authentic.  Much like the original chestburster in Alien.  Hopefully Greg or Colin will get a look at it.  It wouldn't be hard for them to change it in the film.  If you notice, their adult Alien also has that exaggerated mouth unlike the original.  Some light CG could fix this up nicely.  Hopefully it's not too late.

We should sign a petition.

That looks a little better, but the chin still looks weird.

What do you suggest.  Let's ask the site host or whatever they are called to make a page called


I think they would be interested in what the most serious fans have to say about how things are looking so far.  Seriously, that mouth on the chestburster could be so much better.  Again, great job whoever fixed that up.

Aliens are supposed to look like someone's wanked all over them. The first one was literally covered in KY jelly. They're walking obscenities.

Quote from: WisePredator on Oct 19, 2007, 08:19:16 PM
I think that is from the scene where the Queen calls off her guards.

Yes.

Quote from: Uncanny Antman on Oct 19, 2007, 10:45:18 AM

Quote from: Luckygreycat on Oct 19, 2007, 07:49:40 AM
Is it just me or do the "tubes" coming out of the aliens in AVP-R look like broomsticks.

It's just you. 

They actually look more like long turds.  They even narrow at the end just like it's been pinched off.  ;)

A:R and AvP had the same deal going, and I don't particularly like seeing them back yet again.  We're stuck with 'em.  :(

Now that you mention it you are right.  They definately look more like really long turds.  I feel bad being so critical of the great work these guys are apparently doing but I think its those little details that create that hard edge realism.

I have the issue, I'll scan it here in a few mins.

Waitta steal my thunder! >:( :-\

THANKS dude.

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Here's the article, sorry I couldent get better quality.

Quote from: AdamJZ on Oct 20, 2007, 01:34:02 AM
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Everytime I look at that alien I get insulted...it's just ridiculous...first off it looks like the alien is smiling, it's looking to make out with Wolf...LAME...and also the damn dorsal tubes are hanging like limp di<ks...LAME... :-X

Is it really that hard to pull off a half decent alien? Seriously... :-\

they never look that great in production stills, I think they are looking fine from the trailer.

Quote from: AdamJZ on Oct 20, 2007, 06:48:56 AM
they never look that great in production stills, [...]

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It looks damn fine to me in this production still...what you meant to say was, "they never look that great in production stills from the set of AvP-R" <----- I wonder why that is...?

Quote from: AdamJZ on Oct 20, 2007, 06:48:56 AM
[...] I think they are looking fine from the trailer.

I beg to differ...

I guess everyone sees things a little differently, I like the designs more than Winston's Aliens.

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Quote from: AdamJZ on Oct 20, 2007, 01:34:02 AM
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...and also the damn dorsal tubes are hanging like limp di<ks...LAME... :-X

I never realised that, now if I show it to my eldest sister she'll start laughing!

Quotewell its eating into his forehead and thus his brain. He just happens to not be completely dead yet in the pic. I doubt he'll survive the brutal acid bath he received.lol

Well that would  depend on how much acid is dumped on him, so let us wait and see.

Quote from: AdamJZ on Oct 20, 2007, 07:09:18 AM
[...] I like the designs more than Winston's Aliens.

I can't believe I just read that...I'm all for personal opinion and all but damn, that's a fu<king stretch... :o ...I can understand liking the new design...but better than Winston's!? C'mon man...let's be civil about this...

Quote from: Noir-Gojira on Oct 20, 2007, 08:30:36 AM

Quotewell its eating into his forehead and thus his brain. He just happens to not be completely dead yet in the pic. I doubt he'll survive the brutal acid bath he received.lol

Well that would  depend on how much acid is dumped on him, so let us wait and see.

No he will not survive. In Red band trailer accid burned out his eyes, nose and whole facial part of the skull in few seconds, getting inside his head. It is hard to live with melted brain.

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Quote from: AdamJZ on Oct 20, 2007, 06:48:56 AM
they never look that great in production stills, [...]

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It looks damn fine to me in this production still...what you meant to say was, "they never look that great in production stills from the set of AvP-R" <----- I wonder why that is...?

Quote from: AdamJZ on Oct 20, 2007, 06:48:56 AM
[...] I think they are looking fine from the trailer.

I beg to differ...

Thats not a production shot Gates, its a promo shot of the alien, so the lighting there is right.

I still don't get what the hell that white stuff is doing on his head though...
:-X :D

Quote from: WisePredator on Oct 20, 2007, 12:12:26 PM
I still don't get what the hell that white stuff is doing on his head though...
:-X :D

They should have used kj jelly or whatever they used to make the alien slime in the first alien.
This slime looks cheap... and like cum :-X... whoops :-[

Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Oct 20, 2007, 11:24:41 AM
Thats not a production shot Gates, its a promo shot of the alien, so the lighting there is right.

Fair enough...I'll take your word on it...so you win this one Johnny... ;)

QuoteThey should have used kj jelly or whatever they used to make the alien slime in the first alien. This slime looks cheap... and like cum  :-X... whoops  :-[

I'm surprised though, becuase Aliens had a bigger budget than Alien, this could be a case of "We did it because it just looks cool".

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Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Oct 20, 2007, 11:24:41 AM
Thats not a production shot Gates, its a promo shot of the alien, so the lighting there is right.

Fair enough...I'll take your word on it...so you win this one Johnny... ;)

Gates, you forgot to add "But not for long Mwahaha!!!!". :P

I like the new design of AvP-R because it's sort of like a fusion between the designs from Alien and Aliens.

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Here's the article, sorry I couldent get better quality.

Thanks for post them, i don't like the blood that much because it looks fake.

Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Oct 20, 2007, 11:24:41 AM
Thats not a production shot Gates, its a promo shot of the alien, so the lighting there is right.

Actually, you're wrong. I screen-captured it, personally, straight from the scene on the DVD. It's part of the actual film. It's no promotional shot.

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Quote from: Alienseseses on Oct 18, 2007, 10:58:26 PM
But the Alien alien was detailed to the smallest tube, while in Aliens they were spandex and plastic bits colored brown.

Just the stunt suits. The others were detailed.

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That alien looks like it's covered in cum lol.

:D :D :D
I thought it all day long but i couldnt say it.
That alien has just shot a porno ;D ;)

I was thinking about saying that as well, I wonder who covered him :P

Haha, probably the Queen Alien lol. Or a Pred.  :D :D

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Quote from: Alienseseses on Oct 18, 2007, 10:58:26 PM
But the Alien alien was detailed to the smallest tube, while in Aliens they were spandex and plastic bits colored brown.

Just the stunt suits. The others were detailed.

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That alien looks like it's covered in cum lol.

:D :D :D
I thought it all day long but i couldnt say it.
That alien has just shot a porno ;D ;)

I was thinking about saying that as well, I wonder who covered him :P

Haha, probably the Queen Alien lol. Or a Pred.  :D :D

A Pred... Most likely that Alien was gay :P :D

I love how the article says the townsfolk will start firing weapons with a seemingly practiced hand. That gives me hope. ::) Guess we'll see little ol' Ricky shooting Aliens with machine guns. "Shoot it in the f**king head!"

Quote from: Yellow Alien on Oct 20, 2007, 06:32:02 PM
I love how the article says the townsfolk will start firing weapons with a seemingly practiced hand. That gives me hope. ::) Guess we'll see little ol' Ricky shooting Aliens with machine guns. "Shoot it in the f**king head!"

They were all ex-army, or their parents were in the army... Or their grandparents were in the army!

Well remember he is wearing a hat....
And mabye its about to fall off... 8)

Can anyone please make a scan or at least the photo of the Monster Invasion Preview of Fangoria 266 ?

Pretty please?


Or at least can anyone tell me which one was the FAKE picture in that preview and link it here?

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Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Oct 20, 2007, 11:24:41 AM
Thats not a production shot Gates, its a promo shot of the alien, so the lighting there is right.

Actually, you're wrong. I screen-captured it, personally, straight from the scene on the DVD. It's part of the actual film. It's no promotional shot.

Either way the lighting is correct, so i was right about that after all, and actually, that was the point, the lighting.

Well, it's a nice article overall and it gives good insight into AVP:R, but there are a few ignorant statements that make me more concerned about the film's ability to stay faithful to the originals as well as the Aliens and Predators themselves.

For example:

1) "Who would win in a fight between a Predator and an Alien? The question here is who win a fight between a Predator and lots of Aliens?"

This is a rediculous question. Unless the Predator stays largely detached from the conflict and only takes on a couple Aliens at a time here and there with his advanced weapons, but I seriously doubt that's what the Strause Bros. intend to do. :-[

The only way this question can be posed is if the Aliens are dumbed down and/or the Predator is given god-like abilities. In essence both species would be skewed like they have in the comics, novels, and games.

2) "The movie will be canon. It will be faithful to the movies' history." -Colin Strause

Granted, the context of this statement is referring to the continuity of the Alien, Predator and AVP franchise, but if it's only the timeline that's canon in AVP:R, the movie really couldn't be considered truly canon. I'm just as concerned about the portrayal of both species and how accurate both of their physical and technical abilities and traits are as I am having seamless continuity. Unfortunately, so far, it's not looking like it. Or the premise of the film would be different. This is also quite worrying when considering my first comment.

Considering this is an AVP movie, it would be considered canon regardless. No matter how much a director screws it up. Which is exactly why it's so important to keep it accurate and faithful to the Alien and Predator films (not the comics and games) in EVERY sense. Anything added to the Alien/Predator mythos should be built upon them using sound logic. Of course, it depends greatly on their in-universe knowledge. Which I'm starting to doubt.

3) "We've pared back the armor because, now that he's not in the arctic, the feeling is he doesn't need all of the covering." -Tom Woodruff Jr.

I find this statement really baffling considering he's worked on the first AVP film greatly, yet doesn't he's ignorant as to why the Preds wore the extra armor. It wasn't because of the cold, it was because a) They're going to be combating Aliens (who can "see" them in any environment; have acid for blood, at least just as strong, tougher, faster, more agile and quite cunning; not humans)  b) They're young, fairly in-experienced Preds going through their right of passage ritual into adult-hood c) They're going to be combating Aliens.

The armor makes perfect sense for preds combating aliens, unless you turn them into god-like beings and the aliens into mindless, weak, insect-like animals. :'(

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Everytime I look at that alien I get insulted...it's just ridiculous...first off it looks like the alien is smiling, it's looking to make out with Wolf...LAME...and also the damn dorsal tubes are hanging like limp di<ks...LAME... :-X

Is it really that hard to pull off a half decent alien? Seriously... :-\

I have to agree, but the thing I find the most insulting, is the Alien's small stature. Even if he's slightly crouched (which, typically, human gestated Alien warriors are about a foot taller than preds when standing upright) his body size is way too small.

Is that how Wolf is able to take on so many Alien warrior's. He's fighting Alien "midgets"? Or is he on some kind of steroid? I just hope the Strause Bros. don't screw up these two beloved creatures, let alone the movie. Because there'll be hell to pay. lol

QuoteNo he will not survive. In Red band trailer accid burned out his eyes, nose and whole facial part of the skull in few seconds, getting inside his head. It is hard to live with melted brain.

I was working under the impression that it was a different person, but rewatching the trailer, it probably is the same miserable bastard.

But my point still stands: Just because a person gets acid on their face does not guarantee death.

Quote from: Yellow Alien on Oct 20, 2007, 06:32:02 PM
I love how the article says the townsfolk will start firing weapons with a seemingly practiced hand. That gives me hope. ::) Guess we'll see little ol' Ricky shooting Aliens with machine guns. "Shoot it in the f**king head!"

I'm just a kid, younger then Ricky's character, and I go to the shooting range quite frequently and can shoot just fine. What's the problem?

Anyone can shoot a gun...  :P

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Everytime I look at that alien I get insulted...it's just ridiculous...first off it looks like the alien is smiling, it's looking to make out with Wolf...LAME...and also the damn dorsal tubes are hanging like limp di<ks...LAME... :-X

Is it really that hard to pull off a half decent alien? Seriously... :-\

I have to agree, but the thing I find the most insulting, is the Alien's small stature. Even if he's slightly crouched (which, typically, human gestated Alien warriors are about a foot taller than preds when standing upright) his body size is way too small.

Is that how Wolf is able to take on so many Alien warrior's. He's fighting Alien "midgets"? Or is he on some kind of steroid? I just hope the Strause Bros. don't screw up these two beloved creatures, let alone the movie. Because there'll be hell to pay. lol

The aliens in Aliens were short. They looked tall because of the angles, and that picture there is NOT in the film in that angle.
For one thing, those aren't the tubes. That is the tail. There are no tubes on that suit.

Quote from: War Wager on Oct 20, 2007, 11:56:38 PM
Anyone can shoot a gun...  :P

Ok, I'll give you a machine gun and see if you can fire it correctly, let alone without breaking something.

Quote from: Alienseseses on Oct 21, 2007, 12:03:39 AM
[...] For one thing, those aren't the tubes. That is the tail. There are no tubes on that suit.

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Are you blind!? That excuse makes ZERO sense. There are two separate dorsal tubes hanging, like limp di<ks as I said before, from the back...and what would a tail be doing coming out of its back and not it's a$$?

Thank you but try again next time...

Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Oct 20, 2007, 11:09:35 PM
Either way the lighting is correct, so i was right about that after all, and actually, that was the point, the lighting.

Which makes it no different to most of the pictures we've seen of this film. :)

My point with that picture has always been that it looks vastly better than what we've got now, even though it was in the eighties, plus that the suits designed for details were significantly more than just spandex and stuff.

Isn't it amazing how the shots from movies made back in the 80's look better than current movies?

Quote from: Yellow Alien on Oct 21, 2007, 12:21:45 AM
Isn't it amazing how the shots from movies made back in the 80's look better than current movies?

Amazing and sad all at the same time... :-\

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Quote from: Yellow Alien on Oct 21, 2007, 12:21:45 AM
Isn't it amazing how the shots from movies made back in the 80's look better than current movies?

Amazing and sad all at the same time... :-\

Thats true.

Quote from: Noir-Gojira on Oct 20, 2007, 11:51:52 PM

QuoteNo he will not survive. In Red band trailer accid burned out his eyes, nose and whole facial part of the skull in few seconds, getting inside his head. It is hard to live with melted brain.

I was working under the impression that it was a different person, but rewatching the trailer, it probably is the same miserable bastard.

But my point still stands: Just because a person gets acid on their face does not guarantee death.

Yeah, I think he just threw the alien off him and ran away with his life.

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Quote from: Alienseseses on Oct 21, 2007, 12:03:39 AM
[...] For one thing, those aren't the tubes. That is the tail. There are no tubes on that suit.

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Are you blind!? That excuse makes ZERO sense. There are two separate dorsal tubes hanging, like limp di<ks as I said before, from the back...and what would a tail be doing coming out of its back and not it's a$$?

Thank you but try again next time...

You're missing the point. The tail is coiled up. It is coming out of his posterior, and is up in the air by his back, and bending.

Besides, we know the tubes aren't floppy. We've seen other shots of it.

"why the Preds wore the extra armor. It wasn't because of the cold,"

no, it was because Paul Anderson was trying to say predators like the preds in the original films weren't good enough to fight aliens, they needed more armor, and bigger weapons, he says so right in the docs, and its pathetic, he pretty much shits on the original predators, and I'm happy, that for whatever reason, that this predator has a more bare chest, and less armor on the arms and overall, because thats how the original predators were.

also, that is a picture taken of those two creatures in between takes on what was probably an action scene, that was probably a stunt suit of lesser quality for the alien, meaning the details didn't need to be perfect, or maybe, they had some bad luck, and the water weighed down the back tubes.

and personally, I'd rather judge footage of these creatures from the films, as opposed to  screen shots, we have a trailer, no reason to judge off of screenshots, your living in 5 months ago if your doing that.

and the footage of both of these creatures looks great in the trailer, so I'm not comlaining about how off some of the production stills are...

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Everytime I look at that alien I get insulted...it's just ridiculous...first off it looks like the alien is smiling, it's looking to make out with Wolf...LAME...and also the damn dorsal tubes are hanging like limp di<ks...LAME... :-X

Is it really that hard to pull off a half decent alien? Seriously... :-\

I have to agree, but the thing I find the most insulting, is the Alien's small stature. Even if he's slightly crouched (which, typically, human gestated Alien warriors are about a foot taller than preds when standing upright) his body size is way too small.

Is that how Wolf is able to take on so many Alien warrior's. He's fighting Alien "midgets"? Or is he on some kind of steroid? I just hope the Strause Bros. don't screw up these two beloved creatures, let alone the movie. Because there'll be hell to pay. lol

Yes, the short alien thing does offend the sensibilities of the serious fan.  Perhaps this alien is only a few hours old and has not reached its full stature.  That would be enough to suspend any disbelief for me.  Despite this, that big smile on the alien (well actually it looks more like a smirk) really is a bummer and that body looks more like pumpkinhead than an alien.  Look at the mouth on the original alien.  Much better, more realistic.  The smile makes that alien look fake. Colin if you are reading this could you please touch up that smile with something to make it look more real like the original? Hey, its worth a try.  :-\

Quote from: Alienseseses on Oct 21, 2007, 12:26:01 AM
You're missing the point. The tail is coiled up. It is coming out of his posterior, and is up in the air by his back, and bending.

I'm sorry but I really don't see it your way...those are clearly ADI's turd like dorsal tubes to me...

Quote from: Docta Jekyll on Oct 21, 2007, 12:30:20 AM
and personally, I'd rather judge footage of these creatures from the films, as opposed to  screen shots, we have a trailer, no reason to judge off of screenshots, your living in 5 months ago if your doing that.

Well my original post was regarding the still itself on it's own merits...

To be fair, the reason the backtubes are dangling is because the water is weighing them down. I'm sure between takes they fix them up. That is a terrible shot though. :-\

ADI's alien? At first i hated the whole thing but it's kinda growing on me.  The more I see it the more used to it I get.  Giger's alien though is still the best by far.  And it does look like its smiling.  Freaky.  Lets see if Wolf can wipe that smirk off that Xenomorph's face.

Shit shit...just keep the original design...without the floppy dorsal fins and the smirk/smile. He's too short, and whatever it is I don't think he's crouching or anything, I think he really is that short.

I really hope they did fix them between takes, Yellow Alien, because right now they look terrible.

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Nope. You can see the Alien's tail around Wolf's leg.

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As you can clearly see, those aren't his tail. They are his tubes.

And Sil, that is his whip, which is made out of an Alien tail.

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As you can clearly see, those aren't his tail. They are his tubes.

And Sil, that is his whip, which is made out of an Alien tail.

The only thing I can clearly see is that there is a long dangly thing up by the alien's back. I seriously doubt those are the tubes.

I guess you don't know what an Alien's tail looks like than.

Quote from: Yellow Alien on Oct 21, 2007, 01:00:14 AM
I guess you don't know what an Alien's tail looks like than.

Oh, really?
I do recall the Strauses saying something about a stunt tail, when a real one isn't necessary.

But this is a production shot. Taken between takes. Those are clearly dorsal tubes, you can see the end of the lower one. It is being weighed down by the water. Why would they use a stunt tail for a quickie production shot?

They're the tubes. They're angled down, because the suit has either just shot up - or been dragged up - through the water at high speed. Someone decided it would be great for promotion and didn't realise. :)

Quote from: Docta Jekyll on Oct 21, 2007, 12:30:20 AM
no, it was because Paul Anderson was trying to say predators like the preds in the original films weren't good enough to fight aliens, they needed more armor, and bigger weapons, he says so right in the docs, and its pathetic, he pretty much shits on the original predators, and I'm happy, that for whatever reason, that this predator has a more bare chest, and less armor on the arms and overall, because thats how the original predators were.

It wasn't like that. It was his way of showing they were decked out to 'hunt for bear'. If a hunter has the option of putting extra armour and more capable weapons on, if hunting particularly dangerous prey, then most would, regardless of whether you're a human being or anything else. It isn't as if they have to worry about the weight, based on what we know from 'Predator 2' and the metal analysis scene.

Showing that they were wise enough to make such choices reflects well on them. It means they're not so egotistical that they lack common sense.

What amuses me is that the directors have been quoted as saying the original creatures "never" wore armour, when most viewers would realise they did. :)

Quote from: Yellow Alien on Oct 21, 2007, 01:08:58 AM
But this is a production shot. Taken between takes. Those are clearly dorsal tubes, you can see the end of the lower one. It is being weighed down by the water. Why would they use a stunt tail for a quickie production shot?

To reduce the damage done by the water. Winston had some water gripes with Lake Placid too.

And where do you see the end of the "tubes"?
And since when do they droop?

I maintain that the suit you are seeing is tubeless, and that thing is the tail coiled in the air.

Quote from: Alienseseses on Oct 21, 2007, 01:22:15 AM
And where do you see the end of the "tubes"?
And since when do they droop?

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Like I said, they are drooping because of the water. It is a rubber suit after all.

QuoteWhat amuses me is that the directors have been quoted as saying the original creatures "never" wore armour, when most viewers would realise they did.

But they never really wore any armour, or atleast very barely, you can not call this armour really.

QuoteIt wasn't like that. It was his way of showing they were decked out to 'hunt for bear'. If a hunter has the option of putting extra armour and more capable weapons on, if hunting particularly dangerous prey, then most would, regardless of whether you're a human being or anything else. It isn't as if they have to worry about the weight, based on what we know from 'Predator 2' and the metal analysis scene.

But to make it realistic is not always the way to go, i´ll take unrealistic or "doesnt make sense" anytime over shitty looking designs that just doesnt fit the characters nature, that would be in this case, very agile, slender shape etc etc.

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Quote from: Alienseseses on Oct 21, 2007, 01:22:15 AM
And where do you see the end of the "tubes"?
And since when do they droop?

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Like I said, they are drooping because of the water. It is a rubber suit after all.

That's not an end. It is dipped in the water.

No, it is the end of the tube. Your eyes deceive you, my friend.

Quote from: Alienseseses on Oct 21, 2007, 01:22:15 AM
And since when do they droop?

Since 'Aliens', actually. :) If you watch very carefully, the one rearing up behind Newt has the more tubular versions also 'bend' for a split-second, as the suit raises out of the water. It's so fast that the average viewer doesn't realise, like how Bishop is standing in a hole on the Sulaco, but it's accidentally captured on film, for certain. :)

QuoteI maintain that the suit you are seeing is tubeless, and that thing is the tail coiled in the air.

Firstly, why would a stunt suit be tubeless? They'd all have the dorsals. Secondly, there are none of the obvious vertebrae seen in the tails.

There are no "stunt tails". The only statement to do with that is of using CGI tails for stuff they can't achieve with practical effects, as in the other film.

Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Oct 21, 2007, 01:30:50 AM
But they never really wore any armour, or at least very barely, you can not call this armour really.

Even the first wore armour. A lot was exposed, sure, but it still wore some.

It was precisely because the majority of it was exposed to air that adding more armour was a practical idea, when going against Aliens.

QuoteBut to make it realistic is not always the way to go, i´ll take unrealistic or "doesnt make sense" anytime over shitty looking designs that just doesnt fit the characters nature, that would be in this case, very agile, slender shape etc etc.

I disagree that 'cool' = fantastic. If it did, everyone would be lauding the 'Star Wars' prequels as superb cinematic history. :)

The 'Alien' and 'Predator' films have the similar mass appeal they do for the same reason as the 'Terminator' franchise has: All three main villains seem realistic. They look and act like such things should do. The first Predator acted like a ghost, but the whole point of the film was that it happened to be an alien using advanced technology. Realism was being applied.

Similarly, Dutch's team and Apone's both felt like realistic characters to be found in the military. If you're interested in superficiality, then watch 'Starship Troopers'. It just isn't on nearly the same level.

The problem with the previous Predator designs was mainly two-fold: Firstly, they needed to de-bulk the muscle mass. Secondly, the director did not have them moving like they were previously depicted. They were walking and running more like humans than what they were. There was a superhuman leap, but it was painfully obvious that it was done with wires.

The same also applied to the Aliens, which should have been leaping between things, in a similar acrobatic way.

Note that neither of those elements would be affected by added armour. :) A lot of the Predator can be covered and still give a lean outline. It could even be thinned out, if necessary, but it still serves an obvious purpose against things you aim to kill at close-range, which are notorious for spraying acid from the slightest injury they encounter.

That's assuming the Predator wouldn't incur serious physical damage before getting a fatal strike in, of course. :)

To have Predators walk about virtually naked, with a, "COME ON! I'LL TAKE YOU ALL ON!" Mentality does them no favours. :) They can do it with humans, because invisibility affords them the ability to strike posses and all the rest of it. Against an opponent not suffering from such a weakness, it's a different story and unless they're stupid, they should knowingly plan ahead for that.

You`ve got a point. Still armours from AvP were somewhat to havy looking and made from extremely agile, ghots like Predators havy warriors that are useing brutal force as their primary weapon ( celtic vs grid ).

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi110.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fn120%2Fbranman887%2Fproductionstill05.jpg&hash=dd2b3d124a1ac286e66e2e1178535c10592d149e)
This is not the best looking alien I`ve evere seen.(Polit version)
This stupid smileing Alien look like shit! (Rude version)
;D

I wonder how much whining there can be on photos which are showing 1ms of the movie that you won't notice in the final product. Always easy to criticise mistakes on photos you wouldn't even have seen in the movie. Let's just wait how all that adds up - especially the Chestburster - no offense but it has always been looking ridiculous.
On one hand ppl whine about things looking different from the Alien and Predator-installments and when there are things that are looking quite similar there is crying about how lame they look ? lol ::)


btw. Thanks for posting the scans - keep the media coming.  ;)

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Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Oct 17, 2007, 10:00:40 PM
The leg looks very biomech in that shot.

No, no it doesn't.



http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l305/pcpm/Bodysuit1.jpg
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l305/pcpm/Bodysuit3.jpg

Iv been to the museuam* in france. I saw that prop. Cool place very strang!




thats a stupid looking monster :o it looks like sh*t, aliens desgin is way better, i like chet a milion times better then that crap. 

back on topic, its not the end of the world if the burster and facehuggers are a bit off because you mostlyt see them in the dark and very quick shots

Quote from: Bio Mech Hunter on Oct 20, 2007, 11:32:27 PM

3) "We've pared back the armor because, now that he's not in the arctic, the feeling is he doesn't need all of the covering." -Tom Woodruff Jr.

I find this statement really baffling considering he's worked on the first AVP film greatly, yet doesn't he's ignorant as to why the Preds wore the extra armor. It wasn't because of the cold, it was because a) They're going to be combating Aliens (who can "see" them in any environment; have acid for blood, at least just as strong, tougher, faster, more agile and quite cunning; not humans)  b) They're young, fairly in-experienced Preds going through their right of passage ritual into adult-hood c) They're going to be combating Aliens.

I just had to say it. You wrote 'They're going to be combating Aliens' twice, a and c.

Quote from: rookie on Oct 21, 2007, 01:00:01 PM
I wonder how much whining there can be on photos which are showing 1ms of the movie that you won't notice in the final product. Always easy to criticise mistakes on photos you wouldn't even have seen in the movie. Let's just wait how all that adds up - especially the Chestburster - no offense but it has always been looking ridiculous.
On one hand ppl whine about things looking different from the Alien and Predator-installments and when there are things that are looking quite similar there is crying about how lame they look ? lol ::)

Dude, you have no idea how bad the negativity gets around here...it's so close to IMDB that it's scary... :-\

Lets clear this up.  Those things flopping down are clearly the aliens tubes.  Its the stunt version of the suit thats why the mouth looks like crap and most of it is made of rubber thats why the tubes are bent.   
  ALL THE ALIENS TAILS ARE DONE ON CGI!   Was clearly said for both AVP and AVP:R

Boom done.  thank u

Quote from: Spoon on Oct 21, 2007, 10:22:52 PM
ALL THE ALIENS TAILS ARE DONE ON CGI!   Was clearly said for both AVP and AVP:R
Boom done.  thank u

Boom!  Wrong.  All the tails CG?  So wrong it hurts.

Quote from: Uncanny Antman on Oct 21, 2007, 11:07:58 PM

Quote from: Spoon on Oct 21, 2007, 10:22:52 PM
ALL THE ALIENS TAILS ARE DONE ON CGI!   Was clearly said for both AVP and AVP:R
Boom done.  thank u

Boom!  Wrong.  All the tails CG?  So wrong it hurts.

yeah, not all the tails. But every scene that features the aliens flailing the tail around are done in cgi. The stunt suits may not even feature tails, since they are done in cgi.

Quote from: ballzanya on Oct 21, 2007, 11:37:46 PM
But every scene that features the aliens flailing the tail around are done in cgi.

Nope.  There's actually very few shots featuring the CG tail, all in all.  (Just talking AvP here, obviously.)

Stuff like lifting Chopper, and the shot where it flings acid at Celtic were CG, but most of the time in the fights it's a hand-operated tail flippin' and floppin' on set.

Quote from: Uncanny Antman on Oct 21, 2007, 11:41:13 PM

Quote from: ballzanya on Oct 21, 2007, 11:37:46 PM
But every scene that features the aliens flailing the tail around are done in cgi.

Nope.  There's actually very few shots featuring the CG tail, all in all.  (Just talking AvP here, obviously.)

Stuff like lifting Chopper, and the shot where it flings acid at Celtic were CG, but most of the time in the fights it's a hand-operated tail flippin' and floppin' on set.

I was talking about avp-r based on what was stated about the aliens being suits, on camera hydraulics..etc. with the slight exception of certain parts in the film(swimming, jumping aliens..etc.) and the tails.

Actually, even the tails are real in AVP-R. When the Predator is holding the two Aliens up, you see their tales flopping around. Those were clearly real props, not cgi.

Similarly, Dutch's team and Apone's both felt like realistic characters to be found in the military. If you're interested in superficiality, then watch 'Starship Troopers'. It just isn't on nearly the same level.

Or Alien Resurrection.  Ugh!!  >:(

I am so sick of guys getting facehugged. It is so gay. Why don't they facehug women for once?

I know they have, but they barely show it. How come whenever a guy gets facehugged, they go into extreme detail, with the guy struggling and the tail wrapping around his neck and all that crap?

I'd just once like to see an attractive woman get slowly facehugged, show everything, very detailed.

They'd win me back as an avp fan for sure.

Quote from: mace-in-the-face on Oct 22, 2007, 03:11:48 AM
I am so sick of guys getting facehugged. It is so gay. Why don't they facehug women for once?

I know they have, but they barely show it. How come whenever a guy gets facehugged, they go into extreme detail, with the guy struggling and the tail wrapping around his neck and all that crap?

I'd just once like to see an attractive woman get slowly facehugged, show everything, very detailed.

They'd win me back as an avp fan for sure.

Its aliens vs predator: requiem not aliens vs predator: freudian sexual issues surfacing in the form of facehugger attacks on helpless, big breasted women. lol

Quote from: Uncanny Antman on Oct 21, 2007, 11:07:58 PM

Quote from: Spoon on Oct 21, 2007, 10:22:52 PM
ALL THE ALIENS TAILS ARE DONE ON CGI!   Was clearly said for both AVP and AVP:R
Boom done.  thank u

Boom!  Wrong.  All the tails CG?  So wrong it hurts.

They must be the dorsal tubes.  Look at them in that picture.  Again, they look like long turds.  The tail doesn't look like a long turd by any means.  Also its too skinny to be the tail.

Quote from: ballzanya on Oct 22, 2007, 03:15:27 AM
Its aliens vs predator: requiem not aliens vs predator: freudian sexual issues surfacing in the form of facehugger attacks on helpless, big breasted women. lol

Considering he joined just to post that...eloquent observation, I wouldn't waste my time responding, if I were you.  :)

Quote from: Uncanny Antman on Oct 22, 2007, 03:22:15 AM

Quote from: ballzanya on Oct 22, 2007, 03:15:27 AM
Its aliens vs predator: requiem not aliens vs predator: freudian sexual issues surfacing in the form of facehugger attacks on helpless, big breasted women. lol

Considering he joined just to post that...eloquent observation, I wouldn't waste my time responding, if I were you.  :)

I couldn't resist. lol.
But i know, damn 14 year old horny, nerdy teenagers. lol

Quote from: mace-in-the-face on Oct 22, 2007, 03:11:48 AM
I am so sick of guys getting facehugged. It is so gay. Why don't they facehug women for once?

I know they have, but they barely show it. How come whenever a guy gets facehugged, they go into extreme detail, with the guy struggling and the tail wrapping around his neck and all that crap?

I'd just once like to see an attractive woman get slowly facehugged, show everything, very detailed.

They'd win me back as an avp fan for sure.

'Kay, there was a post that gave me the creeps. Have you seen the movies before? Aliens showed clearly that women get implanted as well. Alien³ showcased that concept for a whole film. So did Alien: Resurrection. AVP followed suit.

The point you seem to have missed from the first Alien film is that it's supposed to be a perversion of our own life cycle. Women traditionally give birth. For men to suddenly and painfully go through the experience is part of the horror. Do you honestly think it would be better if you took out all of that subtext? If you want a boring shoot-em-up you'll see once on DVD, by all means.

I'd rather not get into what creeps me out about your post, but is there any reason for your fascination with seeing a woman getting...

You know what? I'm sure I don't want to know. :-X

Quote from: mace-in-the-face on Oct 22, 2007, 03:11:48 AM
I'd just once like to see an attractive woman get slowly facehugged, show everything, very detailed.

They'd win me back as an avp fan for sure.

There's a rather gratuitous shot of the sacrificial maiden, in 'Alien Versus Predator', with the facehugger crawling slowly up her torso and extending the ovipositor for the obvious. She actually went on to become the new 'Tomb Raider' model, so you could technically say it showed what Lara Croft would look like, if she was being impregnated. :)

Plus, the obvious sexual overtones of Ripley struggling, panting and gasping with one trying to ram down her throat, all wet, in 'Aliens', too.

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Quote from: mace-in-the-face on Oct 22, 2007, 03:11:48 AM
I am so sick of guys getting facehugged. It is so gay. Why don't they facehug women for once?

I know they have, but they barely show it. How come whenever a guy gets facehugged, they go into extreme detail, with the guy struggling and the tail wrapping around his neck and all that crap?

I'd just once like to see an attractive woman get slowly facehugged, show everything, very detailed.

They'd win me back as an avp fan for sure.

'Kay, there was a post that gave me the creeps. Have you seen the movies before? Aliens showed clearly that women get implanted as well. Alien³ showcased that concept for a whole film. So did Alien: Resurrection. AVP followed suit.

The point you seem to have missed from the first Alien film is that it's supposed to be a perversion of our own life cycle. Women traditionally give birth. For men to suddenly and painfully go through the experience is part of the horror. Do you honestly think it would be better if you took out all of that subtext? If you want a boring shoot-em-up you'll see once on DVD, by all means.

A man getting impregnated is the horror.  It wouldn't have the same impact if a woman got facehugged in the first Alien.  Because women get impregnated all the time.  But by showing a man getting raped and impregnated - it shows the horror from both sides.  Like if it's bad for a man why is it ok for a woman?  So a lot of feminists did essays on Alien and all that.

I always wondered...what did the Alien actually did with Lambert...you know...wrapping his tail around her and stuf...  ::)

Best left a mystery.

Yeah, and it really adss to the overall horror and disgust.

Quote from: Predator-S on Oct 22, 2007, 07:17:51 AM
I always wondered...what did the Alien actually did with Lambert...you know...wrapping his tail around her and stuf...  ::)

Whatever your mind thought it did with that tail riding up her leg.

tomorrow the new fangoria issue will be released right?, so could someone scan all the pages only very big so it can be read, see in here in holland we dont get fangoria :(

Quote from: Xenomorphine on Oct 22, 2007, 04:59:45 AM
Plus, the obvious sexual overtones of Ripley struggling, panting and gasping with one trying to ram down her throat, all wet, in 'Aliens', too.

Yeah but Sigourney Weaver is disgusting... ;D ...there was nothing sexual going on for me on that scene... ;)

Quote from: The Chibi Kiriyama on Oct 22, 2007, 07:52:41 AM

Quote from: Predator-S on Oct 22, 2007, 07:17:51 AM
I always wondered...what did the Alien actually did with Lambert...you know...wrapping his tail around her and stuf...  ::)

Whatever your mind thought it did with that tail riding up her leg.

I actually don't think there's much to think about... It is pretty obvious what it did....and that is my one main concern about the alien on that scene... it gave the Alien too much of a 'human agenda'... like it was taking pleasure in doing that to her...remember the sounds the Alien did while it was doing that...? Very weird, like it was laughing, giggling or something...That scene always made me frown...still makes me frown today when I go back and re-watch it :-\...

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I actually don't think there's much to think about... It is pretty obvious what it did....and that is my one main concern about the alien on that scene... it gave the Alien too much of a 'human agenda'... like it was taking pleasure in doing that to her...remember the sounds the Alien did while it was doing that...? Very weird, like it was laughing, giggling or something...That scene always made me frown...still makes me frown today when I go back and re-watch it :-\...

If you're talking about the noises Ripley hears echoing down the hallway, that's Lambert hyperventilating. Not the alien. Otherwise I'm not sure what you're talking about.

Quote from: Accaris on Oct 22, 2007, 02:50:44 PM

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I actually don't think there's much to think about... It is pretty obvious what it did....and that is my one main concern about the alien on that scene... it gave the Alien too much of a 'human agenda'... like it was taking pleasure in doing that to her...remember the sounds the Alien did while it was doing that...? Very weird, like it was laughing, giggling or something...That scene always made me frown...still makes me frown today when I go back and re-watch it :-\...

If you're talking about the noises Ripley hears echoing down the hallway, that's Lambert hyperventilating. Not the alien. Otherwise I'm not sure what you're talking about.

Lambert sounds and the ALien ones were quite distinguishable... At least, they were to me... ;)

Quote from: gameoverman on Oct 22, 2007, 05:17:48 AM
A man getting impregnated is the horror.  It wouldn't have the same impact if a woman got facehugged in the first Alien.  Because women get impregnated all the time.  But by showing a man getting raped and impregnated - it shows the horror from both sides.  Like if it's bad for a man why is it ok for a woman?  So a lot of feminists did essays on Alien and all that.

It was horrific, sure and the above purpose was precisely what it was going for. But I disagree that having a female victim would in some way be boring. A woman in pain triggers the primal area of our brains, which responds to wanting to protect her, regardless of our own gender. It's been shown in countless studies of how males react to females in pain, for military use. If people sense that going on, they tend to want to drop things and go to assist, far more so than if a male is sensed undergoing it.

And the sounds were exclusively from Lambert, by the way. :)

Can anybody please scan the Monster invasion 266 AvP:R preview for me?

Or at least say "Go mow some lawns and go snatch some turds" so at least I know that you don't ignore me and just don't want to help me =='.

Quote from: Xenomorphine on Oct 22, 2007, 03:56:05 PM

And the sounds were exclusively from Lambert, by the way. :)

How do you know...? ???

comon sense and they dont make that sound in any other movie. I really dont ever remember thinking those noises were coming from the alien, even the first time when i sh*t my pants.

None of the sounds the Alien made in Alien were ever used again. Period. The screams and that odd eerie ambient sound, like thousands of roaches climbing on each other? Gone.

'Tis true...

The horror of a woman or girl in Lambert's situation would trigger a protective savior response from an adult.  This film is targeting a different audience, and to  a teenage alienated, disaffected pervy boy the scene of a female in jeopardy is thrilling and exciting and orgasmic...if all the details of the scene and act were shown they would be in ecstasy.

QuoteIt is pretty obvious what it did....

No it's not.  Some people say the tail 'raped' her, but if we take Brett's original death into account (hinted at in Lambert's demise) the tail stabs her in the back and ragged breathing can be put down to a punctured lung.

QuoteIt is pretty obvious what it did....

Yeah cause every woman raped breathes heavily in ecstasy.

QuoteNo it's not.  Some people say the tail 'raped' her, but if we take Brett's original death into account (hinted at in Lambert's demise) the tail stabs her in the back and ragged breathing can be put down to a punctured lung.

I'm all for that.

Quote from: SiL on Oct 22, 2007, 08:34:44 PM
None of the sounds the Alien made in Alien were ever used again. Period. The screams and that odd eerie ambient sound, like thousands of roaches climbing on each other? Gone.

Yeah.  I really liked that sound it made when it opened it's mouth when it was attacking Brett. 

Quote from: Gacu666 on Oct 23, 2007, 02:57:09 PM
Yeah cause every woman raped breathes heavily in ecstasy.

It's more like a woman suffering through the painful sensation of childbirth.

Quote from: gameoverman on Oct 23, 2007, 03:08:59 PM
Yeah.  I really liked that sound it made when it opened it's mouth when it was attacking Brett.

I thought the 'Donald Duck impression' sounded silly, personally. :) It was seemingly a way to try and copy the sound the chestburster made, which fit that stage, but doesn't sound right when coming from the much larger and completely different creature. I prefer the hydraulic hisses and metal sliding against metal, they sound more in character.

Quote from: Xenomorphine on Oct 23, 2007, 04:08:06 PM

Quote from: gameoverman on Oct 23, 2007, 03:08:59 PM
Yeah.  I really liked that sound it made when it opened it's mouth when it was attacking Brett.

I thought the 'Donald Duck impression' sounded silly, personally. :) It was seemoingly a way to try and copy the sound the chestburster made, which fit that stage, but doesn't sound right when coming from the much larger and completely different creature. I prefer the hydraulic hisses and metal sliding against metal, they sound more in character.

I really cannot understand how you made the connection with that alien sound and the sound of the chestburster.  It did not sound similar at all.  Maybe we are hearing different things.

Quote from: SM on Oct 23, 2007, 12:40:27 AM

QuoteIt is pretty obvious what it did....

No it's not.  Some people say the tail 'raped' her, but if we take Brett's original death into account (hinted at in Lambert's demise) the tail stabs her in the back and ragged breathing can be put down to a punctured lung.

I always thought this was what went down, a tail through the back, it never once entered my head she was getting an alien tail up her ass. Well not until i came on these forums!  :P

Quote from: highlandpred on Oct 23, 2007, 09:57:43 PM
I always thought this was what went down, a tail through the back, it never once entered my head she was getting an alien tail up her ass. Well not until i came on these forums!  :P

Yeah but you can't deny that if it did tail-rape her, it would be priceless...I know there is no concrete evidence of what exactly it did to her...but I always like to imagine that it did tail-rape her, it just makes the alien that much more disturbing for me...personally the bloody hanging legs with no pants sealed it for me... ;D

Quote from: gameoverman on Oct 23, 2007, 03:08:59 PM

Quote from: SiL on Oct 22, 2007, 08:34:44 PM
None of the sounds the Alien made in Alien were ever used again. Period. The screams and that odd eerie ambient sound, like thousands of roaches climbing on each other? Gone.

Yeah.  I really liked that sound it made when it opened it's mouth when it was attacking Brett. 

"Aliens" is a much better model for the alien's sounds though. The alien while in the narcissus made some horribly stupid noises.(i know it was 1979, relatively low budget, but still)

The Narcisussus 'screaming' was way better than any other Alien sound in any other film.

QuoteIt's more like a woman suffering through the painful sensation of childbirth.

My missus ddn't sound the slightest bit like Lambert.

Thank Christ...

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Everytime I look at that alien I get insulted...it's just ridiculous...first off it looks like the alien is smiling, it's looking to make out with Wolf...LAME...and also the damn dorsal tubes are hanging like limp di<ks...LAME... :-X

Is it really that hard to pull off a half decent alien? Seriously... :-\

I have to agree, but the thing I find the most insulting, is the Alien's small stature. Even if he's slightly crouched (which, typically, human gestated Alien warriors are about a foot taller than preds when standing upright) his body size is way too small.

Is that how Wolf is able to take on so many Alien warrior's. He's fighting Alien "midgets"? Or is he on some kind of steroid? I just hope the Strause Bros. don't screw up these two beloved creatures, let alone the movie. Because there'll be hell to pay. lol

The aliens in Aliens were short. They looked tall because of the angles, and that picture there is NOT in the film in that angle.

Behind the scenes... yes. In-universe... no. Limitations on time, budget and fx tech played a big part into what was and wasn't done in Aliens. In-universe, they're about 8' tall. Reality, they were played by average size people in costumes. There was a lifesize alien warrior "puppet" Cameron used in a few scenes, though.

Correct!

What is with you guys and the whole alien rape thing?  The aliens are already nasty enough with their heads looking like something out of the male crotch and we all know what the face hugger's underside looks like.  Giger designed a creepy looking creature not a rapist lol. ;D

This is a little off topic I know but someone had to say it.

It ain't just a river in Egypt....

QuoteReality, they were played by average size people in costumes.

Every time they interact with a human they're portrayed as being a lot bigger.  And Tommy Boy ain't 8 feet tall.

QuoteThe aliens in Aliens were short. They looked tall because of the angles, and that picture there is NOT in the film in that angle.

the hobbits in LOTR were people of normal size too - don't you say that the hoppits in PJ's movie are too tall? ))

Bear in mind that the "small" Alien in that photo is next to a Pred that's over 7 and a half feet tall.  The Alien's still huge, probably about 7 feet tall.

Quote from: Xenomorphine on Oct 23, 2007, 04:08:06 PM
I thought the 'Donald Duck impression' sounded silly, personally.

Say wha?

The sound of the Alien's mouth opening and the sound of the chestburster were nothing alike. One was a high pitched scream, the only was a low rasping sound. like breathing out.

Quote from: Docta Jekyll on Oct 21, 2007, 12:30:20 AM
"why the Preds wore the extra armor. It wasn't because of the cold,"

no, it was because Paul Anderson was trying to say predators like the preds in the original films weren't good enough to fight aliens, they needed more armor, and bigger weapons, he says so right in the docs, and its pathetic, he pretty much shits on the original predators, and I'm happy, that for whatever reason, that this predator has a more bare chest, and less armor on the arms and overall, because thats how the original predators were.

Um... no. The Preds in the first AVP were young, had limited experience, and were going up against the deadliest species in the galaxy as part of their right of passage ritual. So yeah, they needed the extra armor. Keep in mind it wasn't acid proof, though. They hadn't earned it yet. Anderson made a logical choice and it made sense for the plot of the film.

Veteran preds with a lot of experience would perform quite a bit better, but when going against aliens, if preds equip themselves as they were in the first two films would be HUGE mistake. It's a completely different ballgame than fighting humans.

Aliens or not god-like and neither are preds, but in the comics and games, all too often the preds are portrayed as such and the aliens as mindless insects that have strength only when in great numbers. Needless to say, both species are portrayed faithfully to the films.

Quote from: Docta Jekyll on Oct 21, 2007, 12:30:20 AM
and personally, I'd rather judge footage of these creatures from the films, as opposed to  screen shots, we have a trailer, no reason to judge off of screenshots, your living in 5 months ago if your doing that.

and the footage of both of these creatures looks great in the trailer, so I'm not comlaining about how off some of the production stills are...

Agreed. ;) This is all speculation based on what's been presented so far. True critiqueing can't come until we've seen it. :D

I like the new huggers, the color really accentuates the fingers and the veins are a nice detail. AvP huggers looked good in flight, but that was it. They really looked sucky fake. Instead of being detailed on their bellies like the Alien hugger that actually was made of real animal parts they had a completely pink rubbery belly with detail at all. That and there breathing sacs didn't move. What crap.