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Title: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: Darkness on Jun 29, 2004, 08:55:13 PM

It wasn’t long after I posted about the AvP Novelization that I received an email containing major spoilers about the PredAlien and the ending of Alien vs Predator. A person by the name of Gr8Kabuki visited his local book store and read the ending of the book. Anyway, I’ve posted what he had to say on the next page but be warned, if the book’s ending is exactly like the film’s ending, half of fans will be happy while half will be disappointed.

*** Spoilers Below ***

“As rumored it looks like there won’t be an appearance by anything but the predburster and then we may not see actually see it. The novel ends with the farewell of Lex and the sole predator survivor who departs back to his planet. Then it skips to a one page epilog describing Scar’s body laying in state on the ship. The author describes the predator’s grey skin moving as something is preparing to burst out. The book ends there.”

“I can’t believe that I am now in even more suspense than before. It’s possible that the writer was instructed not to fully do the final reveal or he may have written directly from the shooting script …generally this is the case. We’ll see in 6 weeks but I can’t believe that with all of the other evidence that we’ve seen , this will be the stinger that Henrikson described. Something was in that box marked hybrid in Prague.”

*** Spoilers Over ***

Well, there you go. He does have a point that the author may have been instructed to not reveal what really happens and let’s not forgot Paul Anderson did say there will be a hybrid in the film. I suppose this also backs up what Lance Henriksen said at the convention about the film leading off for a sequel.

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Title: Re: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: Whinox on Jun 29, 2004, 09:09:43 PM
Well, there could be two. One during the film and the other at the end.
Title: Re: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: BuGzStOmPeR on Jun 29, 2004, 09:21:26 PM
Alright there,  Well lets hope the film is better than the novel version !  BuGz   8)  
Title: Re: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: Galmorzu on Jun 29, 2004, 09:22:50 PM
Ha HA!  I called it even before I ever saw the concept art.  Actually, I do think the book will be different from the movie in this case as a shocker for the viewers when they see this thing pop out on screen.  But still, I pretty musc figure this it how it would go down...er, pop out as the case may be.  He he.     :D  
Title: Re: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: Alien Emperor on Jun 29, 2004, 09:39:08 PM
hmm...i hope the movie dont ends like that.
Title: Re: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: Maurice "HopeOfTheFuture" Huijs on Jun 29, 2004, 09:51:03 PM
So Scar is the one to be facehugged.... interesting. I can't wait for the movie & novel. So we only get to see the PredAlien in Chestburster form? Not a grown-up one? That's too bad.
Title: Re: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: superego13itch on Jun 29, 2004, 09:53:28 PM
I'd much prefer the book ending, rather than see a predalien in the movie. That would be unbelievably cool, to leave the theatre in anticipation of actually seeing a predalien in the sequel. Like Ridley Scott said when talking of a possible Alien 5 "The creature has to change, its essential to keep a sense of surprise and not knowing what to expect." If they show a Predalien in the first movie, what's to come in the sequel thats bigger, better, cooler and more deadly? They need to make sure they don't play all their cards at once.
Title: Re: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: Alien Emperor on Jun 29, 2004, 10:05:35 PM
But, how do we know it will be a predburster, they show only the pred has a little bit pain in his chest, we dont see it come out. Maybe it will be a normal chestburster.
Title: Re: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: Reckless on Jun 29, 2004, 10:11:41 PM
If they are successful wit the first AvP movie, they should make the sqeul to correspond with AvP2 game, something with futuristic weapons, and shitty now-a-day crap, i want a fantasie movie, not a stupid "reality"
Title: Re: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: Shadow on Jun 29, 2004, 10:22:53 PM
To anyone who has read the book. How many Predators are there? Three or Five? That is all I need (rather wan't) to know.
Title: Re: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: Alien Emperor on Jun 29, 2004, 10:24:11 PM
i've got a predalien theory: Ok, the preds want to make a worthy opponent, but they see theirselfs as "the" opponent so they picked an alien egg, and injected some Yautja DNA with a sort of protein, that would make the egg in the facehugger infected with Yautja DNA, so they kept it in their small on-board lab, but something gone wrong so that thing bust out and hugged the Scar-pred, and voila the predalien hybrid thing. good story?   ;D  
Title: Re: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: ianyarnell on Jun 29, 2004, 10:26:56 PM
Noooooo!! The film better not be the same as this, I just read a tiny bit of the ending and I really regret it.
Title: Re: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: Sam04je on Jun 29, 2004, 10:32:57 PM
This is a really good idea i think, because if there is a predalien chestburster at the End. the sequel is going to be hell of movie!
Title: Re: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: Alien Emperor on Jun 29, 2004, 10:39:24 PM
I really hope the sequel is set in the future for some 75 years or something.
Title: Re: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: J on Jun 29, 2004, 10:53:41 PM
I think that Superego13itch (damn) is right all the way. If I (we) don't get to see the predator - alien fully grown it may only mean that it WILL appear in the sequel ( perhaps it being a pred - alien queen), you need to keep surprising the audience other wise it will be just plain, preditable material.  All of you have a great understanding of what the movie will bring, this film could be to the sequel as Alien was to Aliens ( but with predators fighting along side marines, or each other  who knows) !   8)  
Title: Re: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: SHURIKEN on Jun 29, 2004, 10:54:13 PM
SO THATS IT, THAT CELTIC IS THE MAIN PREDATOR AND CELTIC IS THE ONE WHO LIVES ON           OR DOES SCAR ONLY SURVIVE AFTER HE HAS BEEN FACEHUGGED AND THEN LEAVE EARTH?
Title: Re: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: SHURIKEN on Jun 29, 2004, 10:59:31 PM
i kind of applaud this due to the fact he is revealing the concept in the movie but no littering this movie with the actual predalien, but is waiting until the next movie  not bad paul anderson, not bad
Title: Re: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: Shadow on Jun 29, 2004, 11:02:59 PM
I think Celtic dies in the movie (probably the Queen killing him) and Scar Dies on the Pred Ship when the Chestburster (Predalien) makes his appearance. That would actually mean that all the teenage Predators die. This is if the novel is the exact ending of the movie.
Title: Re: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: Rusty Nails on Jun 29, 2004, 11:06:54 PM
Heheh, awesome..  -Rusty Nails
Title: Re: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: J on Jun 29, 2004, 11:25:46 PM
Question, if the Scar pred. dies on the ship, does this mean that the sequel will be based around the pred. homeworld ??   ;)     ???  
Title: Re: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: Alien Emperor on Jun 29, 2004, 11:30:30 PM
i hope so
Title: Re: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: Rusty Nails on Jun 30, 2004, 12:02:36 AM
That would require quite a big vision from someone in order to pull that off good..  -Rusty Nails
Title: Re: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: shadow on Jun 30, 2004, 12:13:03 AM
I doubt it will be set on the Pred's homeworld. I mean what will be done for dialogue? Subtitles for the Predators? If humans are to be involved then the timeframe would have to be in the considerable future. That would mean that the Chestburster would then have to be a queen and the Pred's home planet would be like a warzone (aliens and preds fighting), if the timeframe is set in the future, UNLESS the ship (carrying the assumed Queen) ends up in an isolated area (like Antarctica). A human party (explorers and marines) could Arrive on the planet and be responsible for releasing the aliens (by accident) to escape their 'enclosure' . The Preds would hold the humans responsible with obvious consequences. The climax could then be where the remaining humans and Preds are forced to co-operate or the Aliens would destroy (either kill or take as hosts) all the inhabitants of the Preds Home planet. Luckily I am not the Writer for the possible sequel though.
Title: Re: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: Pvt Hudson on Jun 30, 2004, 12:14:17 AM
Alien Emperor, No offense but are you even an alien fan? injecting Yautja DNA into the egg so that the facehugger will put a predburster in the pred? holy shit man, if a normal facehugger goes onto a pred, a PREDburster will automatically come out because the xenomorph took on the characteristics of the predator. any alien coming out of a predator is a predburster. JEEZ and AVP, those pictures are over 10 years old, thats from the AVP cardgame, I cant believe you actually believe those are pictures, why in the hell would there be clear canisters of facehuggers in a pyramid? think man think!
Title: Re: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: Barreth on Jun 30, 2004, 12:20:50 AM
Ok there big guy... take it easy... dont be so hard on him... he obviously doesnt know... but I guess he does now... there's a better way of telling someone than acting like a dickhead... we're all supposed to be friends here...  But anyways, I cant see the sequel taking place on a pred home world... paul anderson said he wanted to keep the alien and pred as mysterious as possible.. if you see too much of them or learn too much about them then it takes away the mystery surrounding the character and therefore removes a lot of the horror and fear... but an invasion of a pred homeworld would be awesome to see... especially with today's CGI... would kinda remind me of star craft... protoss vs. zerg for anyone that played that game  and having another script with preds and humans teaming up would be major dejavu of the first one... I hope they dont try and pull the same sh*t twice...
Title: Re: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: Shadow on Jun 30, 2004, 12:33:23 AM
If memory serves correctly Sanaa has been RUMORED to return in the sequel. If this is correct then it will not be set in the future nor will it be on the Pred homeworld. It will definitely not be a "Coming of Age" theme.
Title: Re: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: Variable on Jun 30, 2004, 12:36:46 AM
Thats not realy a spoiler. That tells us nothing accept a few things. I cant believe I read it but it wasnt all that bad. Hey Darkness I am in even more suspence to. The movie could end with the burst. It could end like the book. I preety much thought it would end with one pred & human. DONT give out any more details and we should be good. Man we are in more suspence because it could end anywhere and we have no way of figuring it out. Man I thought you were giving something important away.
Title: Re: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: ? on Jun 30, 2004, 12:46:12 AM
a pred has to live i cry if doesnt :( he he   :-\  
Title: Re: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: dude on Jun 30, 2004, 12:53:13 AM
Smart move on their part. Not revealing the alien/predator hybrid will attract more people to see the sequel just to see what the creature looks like.
Title: Re: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: Maurice "HopeOfTheFuture" Huijs on Jun 30, 2004, 01:01:35 AM
What if the Predator at the end sees that he is impregnated because of his moving skin. Maybe he will decide to blow up. A possibility, but not one that is good for a sequal. So he will let the chestburster live and not self-destruct. Ok. But why? Maybe because he knows his Predator buddies from his world are waiting for a new enemy to hunt on and a really happy with a PredAlien instead of a normal Alien.
Title: Re: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: Barreth on Jun 30, 2004, 01:13:40 AM
I'd think a predator would find it a dishonorable way to die... having a chest burster kill him..   and I dont think predators would sacrifice one of their own just to have a new kind of prey to hunt
Title: Re: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: Variable on Jun 30, 2004, 01:17:55 AM
Yea I dont think they would sacrifice their own either. The fact is we dont know and we are back to guessing.    :-\  
Title: Re: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: tribalcore on Jun 30, 2004, 01:22:23 AM
in my own opinion im not a fan of that kinda ending. its just like event horizon resident evil and mortal kombat he just leaves it open. i hate that!!! as i said i didnt want it to be like a freddy vs jason ending. you just know all the people who like aliens and predator just for the action (not for us true fans) are gonna saw what a shitty ending becuz of that fact just my own opinion. but i know im gonna get bashed for saying that. i guess ill have to wait til Aug 13th
Title: Re: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: Alien Emperor on Jun 30, 2004, 01:31:22 AM
I quess so Hudson, but if that where true, then the Xeno's race would be gone. Extintioned by its own natural dissaster, cause the predalien would problably kill the Queen and the're will no Xeno who lay eggs and then no more Xeno's. And a long living alien adult alien cant grow to a be Queen, there's is a special facehugger that were's the queen egg. And anyone that will be inpregnated by that facehugger gets a queenbuster busting out of his chest. And there's NO such thing as the Predalien Queen SHIT!!
Title: Re: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: Alien Emperor on Jun 30, 2004, 01:34:54 AM
Cause then there will be no Alien saga, cause the Xeno's are extincted, it's very logical if you are a true fan of the alien saga, cause i dont read comic crap.
Title: Re: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: Alien Emperor on Jun 30, 2004, 01:38:46 AM
dont interfere comics with the movie's, besides the games tell that the Predaliens come from the labs too. No offense, by the way
Title: Re: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: Raven on Jun 30, 2004, 01:55:03 AM
I'm glad they might not have the Predalien becasue what if it's just some super powered monster no one wants that.
Title: Re: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: Pvt Hudson on Jun 30, 2004, 01:59:48 AM
in the AVP game, the scientists had captured a pred and they put it in a controlled environment with a facehugger and the pred alien came out. they didnt clone it or anything, also, how do you know it would be the extinction of the species? u think one pred alien can take out the ENTIRRRRE HIVE? and tahts IF it was independednt, who says it wouldnt be of the hive mind!
Title: Re: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: Spectra on Jun 30, 2004, 03:04:00 AM
LOL   If Scar give birth to a Predalien or Predalien Queen in the ship; it won't go far away since the Predators will kill it quickly thus forget about the Predator homeworld(s), no aliens will be able to survive there. If someone are stupid enough to believe that crap, they are dreamers...
Title: Re: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: Growler on Jun 30, 2004, 03:21:31 AM
Hey peoples, it's been a while.  Damn Darkness, I can't believe you're still toughing it out on this site.  Before I came back from my deployment, that last article i read was you shutting the site down.  Damn glad to see it's still up and running.  I'm going to leave a comment about this book ending.  I haven't read it, nor will I even purchase it till after I see the movie.  If I have my mind straight, aren't all movie novels slightly different than the actual movie itself?  I'm not positive on that because i haven't read many movie novels, but the ones I have, there are many differences when you compare them to the movie it's associated with.  As for this ending for the movie, Anderson did say many times that there would definately be a winner at the end of the film.  A predalien at the end of the film would totally contradict that.   I did notice that Anderson does infact leave all of his movies open for sequals as some sort of signature, and a predalien would justify the "whoever wins..." slogan.  With an ending like the book, then yeah, They still lose in one way or another.  That is an ending simular to Freddy Vs Jason though, and hopefully if Anderson keeps his word, it won't end like that.  Just with a definate winner at the end as he promised.  I still would love to see a predalien, be it a small chestbuster scene, or an actual progression to an adult, leading up to it battling in the movie.  Just to see it, you know.  As I think about it however, it could only be just a chestburster in the movie.  I mean in relationship with McFarlane's AvP toys, either he created a full grown Predalien because it's in the movie - just not unveiling it till the movie is released- or he hasn't created it because a full grown predalien is not in the film - therefore pointless to make just a tiny predalien chestburster as a Movie Maniacs figure.  I suppose in 1 month and 2 weeks, we'll surely see.
Title: Re: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: Alien Emperor on Jun 30, 2004, 03:28:24 AM
Good piont, Growler
Title: Re: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: predmike on Jun 30, 2004, 03:29:35 AM
well look it could end were theres going to be a sequal but it could end like freddy vs jason i mean like it could be a sequl or it might not but stop guessing lets see it in august
Title: Re: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: celtic predator on Jun 30, 2004, 04:11:01 AM
woah im a real big PREDATOR fan ever since I was a little kid I loved that movie, and I hope I dont get dissapointed by this movie, because in the previews it looks A-mazing, hopefully PREDATOR wins well that's it for me
Title: Re: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: Lurker on Jun 30, 2004, 04:17:20 AM
To anybody who's read the book or skimmed throught it,  do the preds talk to eachother in their language?
Title: Re: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: Predalien on Jun 30, 2004, 04:18:23 AM
Will there be a PredAlien for sure?Guess we have to wait until it comes out or for a real trailer.   8)  
Title: Re: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: Variable on Jun 30, 2004, 04:31:03 AM
Knowing the relation to books and movies I dont think it will end with the Predators skin moving around. I think the chestburster will bite out then look at the camrea shreek then it will be the end. My guess is we will see a brief image of the Predalien chestburster. I hope if we cant see a full grow I would at least like to see this.
Title: Re: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: Railsbaj on Jun 30, 2004, 05:18:49 AM
I don't think that the scar predator is the main pred because i just watched the trailer very carfully and in the sceen when the pred is getting the crap beat out of him u can see the predators mask and it looks like the scar preds mask so if anyone no's plzz tell me cuz i really want to no   ???  
Title: Re: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: Railsbaj on Jun 30, 2004, 05:21:22 AM
I don't think that the scar predator is the main pred because i just watched the trailer very carfully and in the sceen when the pred is getting the crap beat out of him u can see the predators mask and it looks like the scar preds mask so if anyone no's plzz tell me cuz i really want to no   ???  
Title: Re: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: Maurice "HopeOfTheFuture" Huijs on Jun 30, 2004, 05:35:44 AM
Variable, I think the same thing. The movie will end with a quick shot of the PredAlien Chestburster bursting out and looking menacing at the screen, maybe with a little alien scream of it.
Title: Re: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: Hell Alien on Jun 30, 2004, 05:42:17 AM
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOo. Why Did ya do this. Iwas able to not read the damn thing. I scrolled down to rhe end of this not looking any comments. Man WHY!!!!?? dont say it, even if its not the real end, plz ppl do like me And dont read this.
Title: Re: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: Galmorzu on Jun 30, 2004, 05:50:29 AM
I can't understand why people are complaining about this being an open ending, leaving the whole versus thing ambiguous.  If the Pred bursts at the end, ALIENS won, plain and simple.  It would almost be kind of sad though, as in the pred came so close to winning and then we all find out he got facehugged at some point.  It just shows that no matter how good you are in battle, the aliens always sneak in somehow to win.  This could actually be a pretty good ending if it's done right, or *really* hokey if it's done wrong.  I keep seeing the scene  showing the pred, slowly scrolling towards him as he rolls around, then he pops, the burster comes at the now very close camera, opens its mandibles with a shriek, then cuts to the credits real fast with heavy rock playing (just like Resident Evil).  I'm sure I'm wrong about the music since Anderson said there's only orchestrated music in this, but the scene will be so easy to do badly.
Title: Re: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: tribalcore on Jun 30, 2004, 05:57:42 AM
hes gonna make this ending be as worse as the godzilla ending ugh . i dunno guys this is my own opinion but i just dont like this ending at all. its to predictable. i understand most of you would love 2 see a second AvP movie as would I?.but to lead off from it? ugh i hate it. you never saw any other predator or alien movies end like that (besides Alien3 but it dies when it falls wityh ripley) i mean i am a truefan to the max too with the old school kenner figures and McFarlene figures and movies and comic books but i still dont feel pleased with that sorta ending. hopfully the movie will be brutal as hell to make me change that disicision   ???  
Title: Re: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: Galmorzu on Jun 30, 2004, 05:57:45 AM
Personally, what I'd really like to see is maybe Lex thinking of the Pred as she returns home, thinking about how honorable a warrior he was or something, and as the "good ending" music plays the screen fades to the pred's ship.  The camera scrolls around the walls as it comes to the bridge/cockpit/control room/whatever and the camera approaches the main seat from behind.  We would see the main pred sitting there from behind as the camera gets closer before slowly rotating around to his front.  We see his eyes looking out into the stars before scrolling down.  The music gets quieter and a little more ominous and forboding when we see his mouth open, green blood dripping out, and the camera scrolls down more until we finally see his chest has burstered, green blood all over him.  The music gets a bit louder now, more "bad guy" and scary sounding, and the camera pans out and looks up again so we see behind the dead predator.  At this point we see a large dark shape behind him, which the camera moves in on, and from the darkness we catch just a glimpse of the alien shape and mandibles opening with a low threatening hiss and everything fades to black.  The cool thing would be that the approaching camera from behind would actually have been the predalien's POV.  I can't see how this will directly lead to a sequel, but it would definitely show that the Alien won.  Ah, too much free time on my hands.     ;D  
Title: Re: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: WinK on Jun 30, 2004, 05:59:29 AM
I much want to see in film predalien
Title: Re: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: tribalcore on Jun 30, 2004, 06:06:04 AM
hes gonna make this ending be as worse as the godzilla ending ugh . i dunno guys this is my own opinion but i just dont like this ending at all. its to predictable. i understand most of you would love 2 see a second AvP movie as would I?.but to lead off from it? ugh i hate it. you never saw any other predator or alien movies end like that (besides Alien3 but it dies when it falls wityh ripley) i mean i am a truefan to the max too with the old school kenner figures and McFarlene figures and movies and comic books but i still dont feel pleased with that sorta ending. hopfully the movie will be brutal as hell to make me change that disicision   ???  
Title: Re: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: Galmorzu on Jun 30, 2004, 06:07:53 AM
THAT'S IT!  THe ending to Godzilla!  That's *exactly* how I keep picturing this being done.  Wow, that's a scary thought.  Yuck.
Title: Re: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: Hell Alien on Jun 30, 2004, 06:11:54 AM
And by the way, this end is not that bad. But It will not be like that in the movie Im sure. I read Lotr return of the king novel before seeing the movie, And in the novel, Aragorn is dying of oldness, then arwen is dying of sorrow. ( well she let herself die ) and theres other things that were not in tha movie. So a book that is realeased that much before the movie will not contain the real things in it. Be sure of that, Cuz if it was like the movie the producers wont allow it to get out that soon. It will comtain things that are in the movie ( wich is why Iv stopped reading it after the 2 chapter, well I got to mid 3rd, lol lol. too tempting. ) But i will stop I swear!!,    :-\    He he, Anyway, this will not end like that, Im sure of it. Name me a novel that was the exact same thing as the movie and that got realesed 2 months before it. Name only 1. There is none. Well none that the real end in it. its always like that. So dont panic. the end will mostly include a predchestbusta, but maybe that the elder will see it while is coming back for the kids and kill it. Or he will see that the scar pred was facehugged, then maybe do a farewell ceremony or something then kill the pred by empaling him where the lil fella is killing it. Or somethig like that. Or a completely different thing. Maybe its there to take us on a way different thing. Ya know we will be surprised in this movie. We will be VERY surprised in this.
Title: Re: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: Galmorzu on Jun 30, 2004, 06:15:17 AM
Keep in mind, too, that when the book was written the filming wasn't even complete yet, and there's always big things that get changed between when the author starts the adaptation, and when the movie is actually finished.  Endings are almsot always different.
Title: Re: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: Barreth on Jun 30, 2004, 06:15:50 AM
The ending with a predalien being born from his chest seems kinda stupid to me...  1.) The preds have hunted aliens for thousands of years... so they would know almost anything and everything about them... so they would know all about being impregnated and what it would feel like... Ripley knew in A3 because of the chest pains... so it's easy to tell  2.) The preds have a lot of honour, anytime they face certain death they self destruct P1 - arnie and the rock/log... P2 - Hanging off the side of the building with Glover.. therefore, if a pred knew he was impregnated... you'd think he'd kill himself... or at least try to... and he certainly wouldnt be heading back to his home planet with one inside of him...  Just my Opinion
Title: Re: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: Cetanu on Jun 30, 2004, 06:32:07 AM
Hey Barreth, obviously when a host is exposed to a Facehugger they become comatosed and when they are revived they remember nothing of the inplantation. Same with a Yautja, every host reacts in the same way when they're facehugged, so poor Scar just wont remember what happened when he wakes up, unless of course he sees the dead skeleton of the facehugger laying next to him maybe. Now, I dont understand how the Hybrid will survive to the next film. Okay, lets say that the inplantation is successful and Scar is killed when the chestburster emerges, dont you think that the Elder Yautja wont be there to put a spear through Scar's chest when its happening on the ship? Unless the elder is killed somehow, but how can that be? Elder's are so skilled, they're almost invincible, they just cant be beat! The ending in the movie, I have this gut feeling that it will be much different.
Title: Re: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: Barreth on Jun 30, 2004, 06:34:29 AM
I know they dont remember anything when they wake up... which is why I mentioned the chest pains...
Title: Re: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: Hell Alien on Jun 30, 2004, 07:21:46 AM
Cetanu, I got one word for ya skilled almost invacable pred elder.........QUEEN!!!  Or you want more words let say alienS, or Ambushed. And since he is old, yes he is experienced, yes he is tha best. But a queen would destroy him or alienS would do the trick. Old = less strong and agile. oldness is tha worst enemi you could have against an alien cuz you need agility and strenght to take out one of those. And imagine what it takes to take out a 16 feets tall creature like the queen.  Anyway, I wont start it here but plz, think before posting. No offence there cetanu. But I will always be there when things like that are said.    ;)    And Cetanu, about how the hybrid will survive to the next movie, there is alot of possibility. If of curse thats the way the movie will end wich I doubt. 1- the lil fella gets out during the ship is beggining his way home. then cuz of the pred being panicing in the ship, due to the pain of the thing, well just like Kane did, he hit the dash board touching somethign that make the ship crash. Then or the lil fella is escaping alive and goes to somewhere, or the lil fella is captured by the millitary so is th ship then they are brought to area 51 or another secret place like that. And the team could have discovered an egg in the ship cuz of the pred wanting to start things over with a new queen. So that could be the reason why things are getting out of hand in tha sequel.   Well ya know things like that that ables a sequel with a predalien.
Title: Re: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: Bringer of Death on Jun 30, 2004, 07:35:37 AM
Now for scar being impregnated mabey he gets captured by the aliens, cacooned then Lex frees him but only after the face hugger lays its egg and released itself from him and crawls awy to die.So he could wake up and think she saved him before he got hugged.Also mabey anderson made the predalien look more like the predalien in  \'AVP deadliest of the species\' were it looks most like a pred, pred body except for the tubes/pipes on the back but it has a pred face with the long alien skull, now it can talk like a pred use weapons even shoot a gun so mabey if it burst out of scar in the ship it has enough knowlege to fly the ship itself.Now personaly I would hate to see this kind of predalien but you never know whats going on in andersons  mind, so we\'ll have to wait and see.
Title: Re: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: Saint Sinner on Jun 30, 2004, 07:49:12 AM
People should stop acting like a bunch of babies. There is a very good chance the ending is different for the movie. It's come out basically a month and a half (or two) before release, so they had to have known spoilers would kill it on the internet. I wont count on things being changed, but this is the reason the T3 novel was pushed back closer to the movie's release.  Why do people have to whine over the possibility of a full-grown Predalien not being in the film? To me, this is good news. This movie is about Aliens & Predators. I'd rather it be a chestburster, leave the focus on the Predators/Aliens without cheapening it like Resurrection with some goofy hybrid mutt running around on screen terrorizing everything. That ending with the chestburster sounds good enough. I don't know about you guys, but I'm not going to see AVP for a Predalien, which it almost seems like the only thing most of you care about.  This movie will rock. And if it's any comfort to any of you, "THE REAL PREDATOR" claimed there would be a full grown Predalien. I still think he's a fibber though. I have a feeling that many people online who read what he and other people say may be in for a huge shock or let down when the movie doesn't turn out as "cool" as some of these people claim. Just be cautious.
Title: Re: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: Saint Sinner on Jun 30, 2004, 07:51:47 AM
And at spawn.com, their premise for the film said that Lex teams up with a "doomed" Predator. Everybody had basically guessed Scar would be the Predator she teamed up with, so I'm glad that's confirmed.    ;D  
Title: Re: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: Terhou on Jun 30, 2004, 07:52:20 AM
Remove this spoiler!!!   >:D     >:D     >:D  .I haven`t read this Spoiler yet remove it before i can read it.Sometime may cannot resist it...   :-\  
Title: Re: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: Variable on Jun 30, 2004, 08:51:55 AM
It dosnt spoil alot. Just what we have already guessed. The movie will probably end differently. Settle down.
Title: Re: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: Shaneus on Jun 30, 2004, 09:14:52 AM
Perhaps when you see the pred that been infested.  we have all assumed that he will just be lying on the ground. Maybe hes stuck to the wall. Thats kinda what the aliens aliens do to those infested. I like this ending because lets face it for every pred fan the is an alien fan so you really cant make an all out winner cos youl disapoint 50% of yopur audience. I think its gonna be a blood bath with everyone dying. I hope anderson puts a twist in and lex gets killed i hate indestructable chick leads. Except riplkey she was the only cool one.
Title: Re: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: beeko on Jun 30, 2004, 09:15:06 AM
like any movie that they want a sequel too , it always has a semi open ending - doesnt bother me should be excellent,also not anything we sort of didnt know
Title: Re: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: El Diablo on Jun 30, 2004, 09:21:02 AM
I knew it. I had a feeling that it would end that way, though it actually sounds much better than I feared (I expected it to happen while Scar and Lex were still in the Arctic setting up a sequel that takes place on our planet).
Title: Re: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: SHURIKEN on Jun 30, 2004, 09:38:55 AM
Shaneus, I TOTALLY AGREE THAT IT WILL BE A BLOOD BATH ,  AND HOPEFULLY REALLY GORY SO THAT THE MOVIE IS RATED R        BESIDES THERE ARE WHAT 18 HUMANS, AT LEAST SOME OF THEM HAVE TO DIE HORRIBLY
Title: Re: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: uhhhhh on Jun 30, 2004, 09:42:36 AM
itd be cool if the pred took back a queen egg at the end, that way the aliens are still alive and the pred still became men so its sort of a win-win, with lex wandering off or whatever she does.  what else could be cool is that area 51 thing HellAien mentioned. or something along those lines.  that way the preds have to come back and take out a military base as well as aliens running a muck in the desert to get their stuff back.  or maybe the end pred DOES get face hugged but the predators have found some way to extract it without killing the host, so the elder does this and puts the burster in a containment tube to unleash on some other planet later on.  lots of way this could end.  way i see it, most books either go a little further or a little less than the movies.
Title: Re: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: uhhhhh on Jun 30, 2004, 09:55:50 AM
oh yeah, and an elder would WRECK the queen! their chi is so damn high they are probably indestructable  and for a pred to be old and haggard, hed prob have to be like 400 or something!  PREDS ALL THE WAY!!! ps queens still an ass-kicker
Title: Re: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: Variable on Jun 30, 2004, 10:01:17 AM
I dont understand. Does the elder die facing the queen? What happens to him? Man I cant take it theres a book store right up the street. To hell with it I am going out and buying the book. Let you know how many pages and will try to scan the pics. See ya. Looks like I gave into temptation.
Title: Re: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: SaNdMaNxX on Jun 30, 2004, 10:16:17 AM
so the pred and lex stay alive ok kooz ,, but dont forget guys many many times the actual ending from a book iz, could be very diffrent from the actual film.. i
Title: Re: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: Alex Villalobos on Jun 30, 2004, 10:32:28 AM
I wonder if at the end AvP when they show the predator on the floor on his ship i wonder if the chestburster shows and then you here shshshshshshhshaaaa and then its over you now the noise from the beging of Predator 2
Title: Re: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: AngryHobo on Jun 30, 2004, 10:32:42 AM
If you want to know the book's ending scroll down:    Trying to give fair warning...     I'm going to give a detailed description of the last fight and scenes in the book....              I figure if you ignore the warnings you want to hear the ending. Leading up to the final fight, Lex and Scar team-up, encounter a PredAlien chestburster, escape the pyramid, Lex is blooded,  the two encounter the Queen on the surface.           Now for a more detailed description: Scar throws a disc at the Queen and cuts her throat, than gets hit into a building and impaled by broken fragments of wood and metal. The Alien Queen stands over Scar and prepares to deliver the final blow, when Lex jumps on the Queens back and stabs her. The Queen throws Lex, who drops her Alien spear, and then prepares to finish off Lex before Scar. Scar runs up behind the Queen and stabs her in the throat with the Alien Tail spear, lands next to Lex and helps her tie the queen up with chains to launch the Queen into the icy ocean water. But before he can launch the Queen, Scar is impaled and thrown to the ground.  Lex than hits the lever and the Queen is dragged across the ice, into the water, where she "dies", (who knows).  Scar has a few last moments with Lex and dies.  Lex sees a Pred Ship in the sky, as it lands the elder Pred appears before her and two Preds haul off the dead Scar. The elder notes her scar and points to the other Preds, who have the same scar on their masks. The Preds nod to Lex and take off in their ship. Lex looks at the sky and remembers Sebastian. The remaining Preds lay Scar's body on an alter and then enter hibernation for the trip home. Scar's body then begins to twitch as his chest stretches and moves. End.        I didn't want to give away too much, but I figured that it could settle some questions, like why the Preds dont know about the PredAlien. I hope the ending is different, as Pred fans like me will be pissed. Scar is a really freakin cool character and a badass. Just wish he would've had a longer fight with the queen.
Title: Re: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: AngryHobo on Jun 30, 2004, 10:35:42 AM
Some of the book doesn't quite sync up with some set reports and the featurettes and trailers, so maybe the ending will be different...
Title: Re: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: Vamp on Jun 30, 2004, 10:53:02 AM
Bouvetoya Whaling Station, Antarctica, 1904 The Emma sailed for the shores of Bouvetoya Island at the start of the 1904 whaling season with a full complement of sailors, harpooners, boats and oil processing equipment -- enough to slaughter whales and extract their oil for a full year on the Antarctic ice before returning to Norway the following year. Emma's newest skipper and part-owner Sven Nyberg intended to make his first and last voyage as a whaler a profitable one. Sven's brother, Bjorn, had been the Emma's captain for nineteen seasons, but Bjorn had died of a fever during last year's return voyage, which had compelled his brother to assume command on this, the final commercial venture of the Nyberg Brothers Oil Company of Oslo. Upon his return to Norway, Sven fully intended to sell his family's business to the highest bidder.The dawn of this new century was bringing an end to traditional whaling. Magnate Christian Christensen had opened a modern processing facility in Grytviken that would eventually edge out smaller Antarctic whaling concerns like the Nyberg brothers -- men who'd followed methods practiced by Norwegians since the days of the Vikings. Like seal hunting, an activity that had made many a family fortune back in the 1870s, whaling was becoming an unprofitable enterprise. Declining herds and rising competition from British and Scottish whalers -- and recently even the Japanese -- along with giant conglomerates like the Christensen corporation were gradually ending the era of the selfsufficient, independent whaler. Still, Sven Nyberg would try to make the Nyberg Brothers a viable oil company for a little while longer. It was the only way to ensure a profitable sale of his family's interests. To that end Sven had offered Oslo's most experienced whale hunter, Karl Johanssen, a position as first mate, with a five-percent share of the expedition's profits. If successful, the Emma's journey to the South Pole would make Karl a very wealthy man. The offer could not have come at a better time for Karl Johanssen. A whaler since he'd been tw elve years old, Johanssen had weathered twenty-seven seasons on the ice and survived them with all of his limbs, fingers and toes intact -- no mean feat where temperatures could reach 50 degrees below zero. From past voyages with brother Bjorn, Johanssen was also familiar with the Nyberg Brothers'oil processing facility on Bouvetoya Island, one of the world's most remote locations. A few years before, in 1897, Karl Johanssen thought he'd given up the sea for good. Lured to northern California by his brother's promises of wealth, Karl had squandered his meager savings trying to strike it rich in the Alaska gold rush. Forced to return to whaling out of financial desperation, he'd been ready to sign onto one of Christensen's ships for a paltry one-half of one percent share when Sven Nyberg had made his offer. A berth as first mate with a full five-percent share was Karl's lucky second chance at a comfortable retirement. Of course, Karl would work hard for the money. Sven Nyberg was an indifferent seaman, and he'd never spent even a single season on the Antarctic ice. Fortunately, during their long twelve months of backbreaking labor, Sven had been wise enough to defer to Karl's judgment in nearly every situation. Under the harpooner's tutelage, the younger Nyberg brother had learned secrets of the whale hunting trade that it would have taken him years to discover on his own. The result, after a year, was an incredibly successful hunt, with Emma towing over three hundred carcasses into the cove at Bouvetoya Island. There the remains of blues, minkes and sperms would be cut up and the blubber rendered for its oil. It was during the grimy rendering process, when the men were outside for lengths of time attending the huge iron vat dominating the harbor, that the whalers began to see strange lights in the sky, and not the southern lights they were used to seeing. >Over Lykke Peak and the taller, three-thousand-foot Olav Peak that overshadowed the oil processing facility, bursts like distant cannon fire lit the sky, and explosions on the ice could be heard in the distance. Then a strange reddish glow appeared on the horizon, illuminating the ceaseless twilight with the brilliance of a thousand cook fires. The light danced crimson off the ice and tinged the millions of whalebones that littered the beach a sickly hue. Often -- but not always -- the eerie lights were accompanied by tremors deep beneath the ground under their feet. While volcanic activity on the island was not unusual-- sometime in 1896 part of the island had even been destroyed by a volcanic eruption -- the phenomena unsettled the whalers, who were trapped on Bouvetoya until the spring thaw no matter what happened. So after a few days of these strange events, in an effort to calm the whalers'fears and discover the cause of the eerie pyrotechnics, Karl led a group of sailors away from the harbor's ramshackle wooden buildings and onto the glacial ice that covered the fifty-square-mile island.On a vast frozen plain, they recovered a large, metallic object shaped like a coffin built for a giant. The object was embedded in the ice in the middle of a huge crater. Its silvery surface was smooth and bulletshaped, with no visible joints or openings. There were markings etched into the metal -- a strange, alien scrimshaw no whaler in the party could read or even recognize. Though the metal coffin appeared to be hollow, no one could figure out how to open it, or what was inside.Karl Johanssen thought it best to leave the thing where it lay, but in this one instance the skipper overruled him. Captain Nyberg was eager to find another way to make the voyage profitable, so he ordered the sailors to load the object onto a sled and use a dog team to drag it back to camp
Title: Re: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: uhhhhh on Jun 30, 2004, 10:53:19 AM
so if scar is killed before the thing bursts, how the hell does it burst, wouldnt that also kill the damn alien larva?  itll prob. be diff., me thinks
Title: Re: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: Vamp on Jun 30, 2004, 10:55:18 AM
the last post was the first chapter of the book
Title: Re: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: Alex Villlalobos on Jun 30, 2004, 11:13:21 AM
The Scar Preds dies and the chestburster comes out  wait a minite if the host dies so dose the chestburster omg i knew paul anderson was going to screw something up damnit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: MERC on Jun 30, 2004, 11:18:11 AM
maybe he just passed out    :-\  
Title: Re: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: Dillon on Jun 30, 2004, 11:22:09 AM
the movie sounds good so far i just hope it ends better then the novel
Title: Re: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: I Fight To Survive "BloodSport" on Jun 30, 2004, 11:24:55 AM
I hope it ends with the chest burster picture above and then its over
Title: Re: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: Predgirl on Jun 30, 2004, 11:24:56 AM
Well I guess I have to answer to this spoiler here.  My little quote is don't believe everything you here or read until you see it to believe it ( just a little advise).  To me this ending in the novel sounds kind of iffy.  To Growler about the novels being different from the movies that is true.  I read the novel to Jurrassic Park and there was many different things that wasn't seen in the movie which only the novel contained.  I also beleived that the ending was different from the movie too.  I'm sorry that I'm going off the subject here well a little, but trying to proof just don't go by the book you have to see the movie first if it happens.  Also if anyone seen the movie Congo the novel has a different ending to than the movie.  Anyway if Scar did get inpregmanted he would kill himself even though he wouldn't remember anything , but the evidence of the facehugger would be right there.  Also another theory is if Lex saw the facehugger on his face she would probably try to get it off or figure of maybe telling him or kill him so it won't be born into the world.  Besides when they both team up he still has his mask on until of what I've seen when he fights the Queen. To me I guess we have to watch the movie carefully to see if a fachugger gets on him or not.  I still think  this ending is iffy doesn't sound right to me, but that is my own opinion.  Don't get me wrong the ending seems interesting, but don't go by the book see the movie first.
Title: Re: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: ()()><><><()() on Jun 30, 2004, 11:31:57 AM
damn i want that book im going to barnes and nobles tonight to look for it
Title: Re: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: AL(())EN on Jun 30, 2004, 11:37:10 AM
im with you buddy
Title: Re: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: AngryHobo on Jun 30, 2004, 11:42:31 AM
Spoilers...transcripts from novel.    As the Alien Queen sank, Lex rose and hurried to Scar's side.   Sobbing, she fell to her knees in the bloody snow, cradling the dying Predator's head in her arms. his body broken, the Predator seemed resigned to his fate.   As Lex held him, scar reached up a battered claw and gently traced the thunderbolt scar on her forehead with the tip of his finger. Using a distorted version od Lex's own voice, the Predator spoke.   "The enemy of my enemy..."   "...is my friend," said Lex.   Then the Predator shuttered once, and died.   ...........more description.................     As the shadow of the starship fell over her, Lex looked up. A few feet away, on a low ice shelf overlooking the battleground, a dozen Predators winked into existence before her eyes. Then multiple shadows cast from nowhere played over Lex. With a crackle pf strange energies, more Predators became visible.   In a moment they pressed in to surround Lex.   Bowing low, they offered their respects to the lifeless Predator........they put Scar on the ship and the eldar offers a spear to Lex...  EPILOGUE:   His kin had laid him in a place of honor, at a base of the statue of their savage thunder god. His faceplate was off, the scar on his forehead a dark stain on his pallid flesh.    The funeral ceremony was over and the other clan members had filed out to enter their individual cryostasis tubes, where they would hibernate during the long voyage back to their home world.    Alone now, in a chamber heavy with incense, Scar's corpse twitched.    Suddenly the gray flesh below his dead heart bulged and stretched as if some creature was trapped inside his body, fighting to break free...      As you can see from the exerpts.....Scar does die after the fight with the Queen, and the other clan memebers are completly prone if the PredAlien does escape from Scar's body....kinda sucks for the Preds...lol.         The book is really good from what I've read....the Preds get outmatched by the Aliens....I wont go into details about the fights....thats way too much info IMO.
Title: Re: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: PREDAL()EN on Jun 30, 2004, 11:46:44 AM
im going with my friends tonight to barnes to check it buy it if they have it
Title: Re: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: uhhhhh on Jun 30, 2004, 11:46:50 AM
"The enemy of my enemy..."  "...is my friend," said Lex.  Then the Predator shuttered once, and died  obviously the royal blood.... how doest he burster live though if hes dead... hope it ends in a somewhat sim way, but WAY diff lol, if you know what i mean
Title: Re: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: AngryHobo on Jun 30, 2004, 11:48:11 AM
I haven't read anything about Scar being cocooned or laying on the ground....I dont see a chance for a facehugger to get him.....not like the one Pred.....   Anywho, I dont really see how they could pull off the ending....It would be too much of a curveball....Scar would prolly either scan himself of see a dead facehugger and kill himself....but I just dont see how he could be impregnated without some evidence...oh well, the book is really good...the movie should be amazing and R rated......the book is very gory.
Title: Re: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: uhhhhh on Jun 30, 2004, 11:51:39 AM
word thats what i was thinking, no chance a pred that had ANY say in it would let an embryo grow inside of him
Title: Re: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: uhhhhh on Jun 30, 2004, 11:55:09 AM
oh yeah, hobo, thanks for typing all that up man
Title: Re: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: AngryHobo on Jun 30, 2004, 11:56:30 AM
No Problem, I just hope no one gets too pissed.  I tried to give fair warning about spoilers.    ;D  
Title: Re: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: uhhhhh on Jun 30, 2004, 11:57:27 AM
word lol its not much of a spoiler though, IMHO
Title: Re: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: AngryHobo on Jun 30, 2004, 11:59:31 AM
yeah but some people just cant handle the slightest of details...or the Truth about the ending...lol
Title: Re: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: Variable on Jun 30, 2004, 12:00:01 PM
Man you guys do alot of writing. I skipped it all. I will read it myself or see the movie. @Predgirl, are you into Micheal Crichton or something? I mean you used two examples of his books and movies ie congo and jurassic park. Dont know if you knew. He is a good writer. One of my favorites. Please, if you post anymore book transcrepts  make a warning.
Title: Re: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: Grrrrrrrrrr on Jun 30, 2004, 12:02:32 PM
  >:D   A Human survives again!!!!!!! Gezzz how original. Is it me or does it appear stupid the Predators would not detect a chestbuster in one of their own? Oh well back to the drawing board....  Grrrrr
Title: Re: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: AngryHobo on Jun 30, 2004, 12:02:58 PM
I tried to keep the transcripts to a bare minimum, only write the important parts....but unless someone asks me, I wont write anymore from the novel. Dont want to anger any other posters...   :)  
Title: Re: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: Hell Alien on Jun 30, 2004, 12:04:51 PM
Sorry there Celtic but your the first one that is a fan and never heard of the chestbusta. Maybe your a pred fan and never saw alien or aliens or... Anyway sorry if it offended you. Was not my intentions.  By the way, I really dont think that ( spoilers!!!!!!!!!!)   The queen queen will go down that easy, exept if she is trapped in the net of chains. But anyway, this will only froze her again. Cuz yes that how she was before the intervention of the oomans. She was a bif cube of ice. That is what you saw in the traila, you know the thing that looked like slime, was melted water. They say it in tha book. Lol, I read alot of it. Shit too tempting. Anyway, I bet that in tha movie she will get back for one last fight, OR!!!! this could be a part of the sequel, the "rescue team" comes back to the location of the thing. Then they decide to investigate the ole territory. Then they discover the queen, frozen in the ice, they bring her back to 51. and the things are beggining to start there, aliens tke control, the preds are coming back, so does lex and maybe with dutch, who knows. Anyway, could be cool what tha ya think guys??   And again Celtic sorry that it had offended ya bud. But really I taught that everyone knew what it was.
Title: Re: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: uhhhhh on Jun 30, 2004, 12:05:38 PM
good call  i also find it...far-fetched that the preds would miss a chestburster in one of their own, or that scar would miss it himself
Title: Re: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: Variable on Jun 30, 2004, 12:07:22 PM
Well I bought the book and with what I have read I am not dissapointed. Its good. I had to stop. I dont want to read to far.
Title: Re: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: SaNdMaNxX on Jun 30, 2004, 12:08:28 PM
anyone wanna send the pics????????    :-\          ;D  
Title: Re: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: AngryHobo on Jun 30, 2004, 12:08:40 PM
Well Grrrrrrrrrr, my theory is that since the Pred is in a cold-invironment, and cold-blooded, that the Preds couldn't tell that a Predburster was in Scar....since Aliens dont show up in IR, as established in Aliens....so unless they were looking specifically for Aliens....the Predswon't know. Plus if Scar was killed by the Queen and impaled through the chest, than i guess they figured that he was never face-hugged. Just a thought thou.......but the ending in the book isn't that bad.....just a little depressing because of Scar's death and the Aliens victory...   :-\  
Title: Re: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: uhhhhh on Jun 30, 2004, 12:10:07 PM
word... scars the frekin man, knew it all along!  hopefully though somehting diff happens
Title: Re: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: AngryHobo on Jun 30, 2004, 12:13:37 PM
Scar is very cool, whereas most of the Preds are overwhelmed and outmatched.....      Somewhat spoilerish....kinda....a little...    Scar just takes one down in two hits, the only Aliens that pose any real threat to him is the Grid and the Queen....oh btw...in the book the net is razor-edged...just to settle past debates and complaints.
Title: Re: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: uhhhhh on Jun 30, 2004, 12:15:13 PM
figured as much, that guy is so damn cocky lol  though i expect he will probably die, i really hope there isnt some stupid chest burster in him.  let that be the fate of a lesser pred, although that would make it a more powerfull film
Title: Re: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: AngryHobo on Jun 30, 2004, 12:19:37 PM
Uhhhhh:    Are you talking about Scar, because Celtic isn't even mentioned in the novel.....there are just 5 preds including Scar. And as we've already explained Scar does die in the end, he's the main Pred, and a predburster is in him.  So- if the book is correct, than all the teens will die and Scar will be the Xenomorph's vessel.
Title: Re: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: uhhhhh on Jun 30, 2004, 12:21:21 PM
yeah i was talking about scar.  hopefully he dies battling a queen and a lesser pred suffers the fate of being...infected
Title: Re: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: AngryHobo on Jun 30, 2004, 12:24:47 PM
Ok, just had to clear that up...hopefully Celtic will be impregnated and Scar will live, he's just so freakin cool, but Scar's death in the novel isn't cheap by any means, he dies fighting the Queen, the Predburster arrives after all his valiant efforts and nobel death, so a burster doesn't cause hus death....at least that's good news..   ;D  
Title: Re: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: uhhhhh on Jun 30, 2004, 12:28:40 PM
so then the burster should be a still-birth, so to speak, at least according to my (limitted) understanding of the alien life cycle  word, he does die a noble death, tahts cause hes noble by BLOOD lol
Title: Re: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: AngryHobo on Jun 30, 2004, 12:39:38 PM
Yeah, the novel only says that something was trying to get out, it may just turn ouy that the burster dies due to sustained damage or a spicy burrito. Although if the gestation period were complete, the Alien may have enough of the hosts life to survive after the hosts death. The Preds are very tough and hearty beings...
Title: Re: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: uhhhhh on Jun 30, 2004, 12:42:32 PM
true...although i HOPE not lol actually im starting to not be so disgusted with the idea itd be great if they COULD HEAL HIM FOR A RETURN IN THE SEQUEL TO FINISH TEH JOB!  sort of like return of the king lol
Title: Re: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: Galmorzu on Jun 30, 2004, 12:42:48 PM
I'd think the chestburster would only die if it were in the really early stages of devellopment when the host dies.  If it's pretty much done growing, as the time span in this seems to indicate, than I don't see why it couldn't just be resting in the host until it's ready to come out.
Title: Re: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: uhhhhh on Jun 30, 2004, 12:45:30 PM
i suppose you are right. good thing im no longer completely disgusted by the idea, afterall, he did die finishing the queen herself...  the question still remains as to when he was actually impregnated...
Title: Re: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: AngryHobo on Jun 30, 2004, 12:46:38 PM
Exactly my point..lol.......although I think the ending would be better if Scar had previously eaten a spicy burrito, and just kinda melts the burster....TAKE THAT!!
Title: Re: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: AngryHobo on Jun 30, 2004, 12:49:15 PM
My previous post was directed at Galmorzu. Uhhhhh: Scar doesn't put down the Queen, but does give Lex the time to finish her off.....she was pretty much screwed till Scar saved her...and I don't really see how Scar could've been facehugged with how bad things get with the Aliens.
Title: Re: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: uhhhhh on Jun 30, 2004, 12:49:34 PM
blahaha worthless frekin aliens...god i hate em lol adsfkjhchjbcbv just kidding, aliens are pretty cool, just hate to see a pred go down to a goddamn burster, thank god this preds already dead though
Title: Re: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: uhhhhh on Jun 30, 2004, 12:51:49 PM
yeah i know lex ACTUALLY FINISHED her off, but scar really did the most probably
Title: Re: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: AngryHobo on Jun 30, 2004, 12:52:04 PM
yeah....   ;D  
Title: Re: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: Hell Alien on Jun 30, 2004, 01:00:50 PM
As for the celtic not being mentionned in tha book, the answer is simple, Mcfarlane brought that name up. "Celtic" PA never mentionned it anywhere. None that I recall. But in tha book, they talk about a arroguant pred that is bit older. Could be the Celtic.  Anyway, I think that we should see the predbusta at the end too. Someone mentionned that earlier, that would be cool not to see the predalien in this movie, but in tha sequel. Would give time to PA to make a real good predalien. If he is back for tha sequel if they are a sequel.  Anyway, I hope that the queen will fight harder than that in tha movie. Cuz it almost look easy for them to get rid of tha queen. And lex jumping on her stabing her. man where do ya want her to jump? like if she does so, the queen could empale her with her tail. Anyway, I will trust PA on this to make the fight damn nail bitting. I want some action.  SPOILERS!!!!   Even if tha queen in tha book take care of another pred back in tha pyramid, wich I think was the celtic, Althoug, I would love to see her fighting the elder instead of tha lex and scar combination. Or the 3 at a time. so that way it could be more equivalent. Cuz a human with a spear + a pred with disc and spear, not good. But an elder in would be better, or more action. Anyway well see.
Title: Re: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: Galmorzu on Jun 30, 2004, 01:06:05 PM
I'd think the chestburster would only die if it were in the really early stages of devellopment when the host dies.  If it's pretty much done growing, as the time span in this seems to indicate, than I don't see why it couldn't just be resting in the host until it's ready to come out.
Title: Re: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: Hell Alien on Jun 30, 2004, 01:07:22 PM
SPOILERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!     And its true that the pred are getting kicked in this. They fought well but man the aliens really got them. How cool, Take that you pred fanatics!!!! eh ehe eh. lol  Anyway i like the way they describe the fights. I dunno if I should describe 1? Anyway, very cool and violent and gory just to resume. I just want to see the fights on big screen now. WOW it will be A hell of a movie!!!
Title: Re: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: intheknow on Jun 30, 2004, 01:08:11 PM
You guys have to take into consideration that an interview from weeks/months ago may have been correct at the time but as you all should know, in the business of making films things change based on producers/production company opinoins as well as fan feed back. If something appears to potentially make more money they'll change it to accommodate the $$$. As far as I've heard the hybrid has been cut from the film to make the film more pliable for a sequel without having to go in a specific direction  based on this films story. And I'm sure that none of the actors has seen the film in it's entirety since the final shoot and during the editing process only a few people get to see the entire film. And for that matter it could change up to the last weeks of post. Wait for the Special Edition DVD and the Art of AVP to see what is cut.
Title: Re: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: Galmorzu on Jun 30, 2004, 01:09:54 PM
Sorry about the double-post all.  The screen froze and I wasn't sure if the message had gone through or if everything stopped before that.  My apologies.     ;)  
Title: Re: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: AngryHobo on Jun 30, 2004, 01:11:48 PM
Hell Alien:   I wasn't upset or mad about the fact that Lex jumped on the Queen's back, just telling what the book describes. I think it would be cool to see Lex fending off the Queen for Scar. As for Celtic, I know they mention a leader Pred, which is prolly Celtic, but I meant that their was no great deal of stress on any other Pred than Scar. The trailers have focused on Celtic a lot, despite the fact that Scar is the main Pred, which leads me to believe that Anderson not only wanted variations on design but more than one Pred that the audience could relate to or understand. to possible create more emotional investment.    I don't mean to sound argumentative, I just wanted to state my original point.    Oh, and it would be cool of the eldar took on the Queen, but I think ge would still need Scar and Lex's help. The Queen is tough and fights back pretty good in my opinion, despite the fact she was already injured...
Title: Re: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: Hell Alien on Jun 30, 2004, 01:26:52 PM
Yeah she got some scars from her battle with who seem to be Celtic. I wont reveal too much but a spear and wrist b were used against her BEFORE she took on the survivors.   Anyway she kicked the ass of the pred BIG TIME!!  eh eh eh, I love her. So mighty and powerful.   But Angryhobo, I dont want you to think that I was talking to you there about the queen thing, when I said where do ya want lex to jump. I was talknig globally. And I was not targetting any one there, I was just describing a bit what Iv read at this point about what was discussed. Sorry If ya think that I was talkin to ya on this. Was not the case, I didnt want to start arguments on this.
Title: Re: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: Pvt Hudson on Jun 30, 2004, 01:37:50 PM
actually if the fetus (predburster) is developped enough inside the host b4 it dies, im pretty sure it can survive! anyone agree with me?
Title: Re: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: Galmorzu on Jun 30, 2004, 01:39:58 PM
Yup.  What if it's nearly/already done growing and it's just gathering strength to burst free?  There's no reason it can't survive for a while.
Title: Re: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: Hell Alien on Jun 30, 2004, 01:41:12 PM
Yup, thats how it work in holywood.  About the host die chest die thing, I dont think so. why would it die too?? If its young ok but for a chest to be youg, it will take only like what 7-8 hours for a chest to no need ressources anymore fom his host. Im not sure there, but a chest doesnt die cuz of the host is dead. Im almost 100% sure of that.
Title: Re: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: Pvt Hudson on Jun 30, 2004, 01:44:29 PM
i think i know how they are going to explain the chestburster thing, thers going to be a scene, with scar in a room with eggs and face huggers will be juping around and well see him targeting all over and itll cut away. then like 20 min later well see him again and the audience will "assume" he got out, but he really got face hugged and hes up and about it again. you know what i mean? and then at the end people will realise, he didnt survive the facehugger onslaught!
Title: Re: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: Galmorzu on Jun 30, 2004, 01:48:34 PM
That still leaves a few plot holes (though minor ones), but I really like how that sounds.     :)  
Title: Re: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: Shaneus on Jun 30, 2004, 01:50:05 PM
Well i like the sounds of this whole movie i wish lex would die and sebastien would live but hey thats not gonna happen i know. Im glad about the ending cos it soughts makes out no ones wins everyone is dead. So i guess the slogan should be not "Whoever wins we lose" But "No matter how fierce the enemies lex is gauranteed to become a hard ass and save the day and piss off all of the true fans of the 2 series". sorry it just really anoys me i hate her so much. Go Aliens kill those preds good and eat lots of man flesh.....
Title: Re: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: uhhhhh on Jun 30, 2004, 02:52:03 PM
if an alien does burst outa the preds chest on the ship, whats it gunna do, stand around for however long the things flyin home?  cause i dont think the preds would be vulnerable in their hibernation/stasis tubes
Title: Re: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: intheknow on Jun 30, 2004, 02:54:37 PM
I'm not positive but it looks like a space ship.Frame by frame it on the last couple of frames and you'll notice space/stars in the upper left of the frame.
Title: Re: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: joe on Jun 30, 2004, 03:03:14 PM
i read a lot of the book and i am very friggin disappointed. I am a huge pred fan and anderson totally raped the preds. They get there asses kicked. I want to see aliens killing predators and PREDATORS killing ALIENS not preds killing humans aliens killing predators and a friggin human woman spearing an alien with a predators weapon, that right there is the ultimate slap in the face for any pred fan, four preds die without even touching an alien and some goofey broad spears one witht ehe greatest of ease while scar and the grid slap eachother around until neither of them die. what a one sided story of bull shit. I'm soo friggin angry, i waited over 10 years for this garbage, the aliens and the preds fight for a total of 5 minutes in the whole friggin thing, what a waste i am sooo friggin mad. I am an huge alien fan too btu the pred is my boy...four human marines did better in aliens than five of the baddest hunters in the galaxy could do. ANDERSON IS A FAG
Title: Re: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: uhhhhh on Jun 30, 2004, 03:09:24 PM
f**k man that better be bs or ill be pretty f**kin pissed
Title: Re: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: Jack244 on Jun 30, 2004, 03:12:50 PM
How many Aliens are there and if the Preds dont kill the Aliens, how DO they die?
Title: Re: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: COMMANDER GRIKER on Jun 30, 2004, 03:18:09 PM
How does the Grid alien DIE?
Title: Re: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: joe on Jun 30, 2004, 03:19:11 PM
i read it and im mad
Title: Re: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: 13 on Jun 30, 2004, 03:20:36 PM
HEY!  How does the grid alien die?!
Title: Re: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: joe on Jun 30, 2004, 03:21:21 PM
lex and scar throw his bomb and run away and it kills all but the queen including the grid alien which doesn't friggin die. Grid and scar fight like 3 times and neither of them die...thats about 90% of alien pred action... the other 10 precent is aliens killing preds, o and scar kills one alien
Title: Re: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: COMMANDER GRIKER on Jun 30, 2004, 03:22:41 PM
How does the Grid alien DIE?
Title: Re: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: 13 on Jun 30, 2004, 03:22:58 PM
So the grid alien doesn't die?
Title: Re: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: uhhhhh on Jun 30, 2004, 03:25:24 PM
thats f**kin bullshit man the preds should be slaughtering the things by the f**kin pile!
Title: Re: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: 13 on Jun 30, 2004, 03:25:54 PM
Wait, I don't mean to piss you off.   But I really wanna know how the grid alien dies, or if he doesn't die.  Sorry bout that man.
Title: Re: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: 13 on Jun 30, 2004, 03:28:05 PM
how much is the book anyway?
Title: Re: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: joe on Jun 30, 2004, 03:28:23 PM
the grid alien gets blown up by the preds bomb
Title: Re: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: 13 on Jun 30, 2004, 03:30:18 PM
Thanks bro.
Title: Re: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: joe on Jun 30, 2004, 03:31:01 PM
like $7(novel), they should have just based it off of the original comics, they kicked ass and broken tusk wqas the ultimate bad ass.
Title: Re: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: jack244 on Jun 30, 2004, 03:33:08 PM
I thought you said the Grid SURVIVED the Pred Bomb. Are there 2 bombs?
Title: Re: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: 13 on Jun 30, 2004, 03:35:07 PM
From what I've read so far from you guys, things seem to be going good.  I think the reason why the preds can't kill as many aliens, is that they weren't prepared for it.  the humans activated the temple before they got there.  Plus the preds are young.   Still, I'm going to see the movie for myself.
Title: Re: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: Jack244 on Jun 30, 2004, 03:35:15 PM
And the Alien that the scar kills, how does he do it? And do the Scar and Celtic pred atleast beat the shit out of the Grid Alien?
Title: Re: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: joe on Jun 30, 2004, 03:35:31 PM
no dood the thing doesn't die until then...but it gets friggin sliced up choppped and still doesn't die until the bomb goes off. WHEN THE BOMB GOES OFF AT THE END THE GRID ALIEN DIES ALONG WITH ALL THE OTHER ALIENS.....cept the queen
Title: Re: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: uhhhhh on Jun 30, 2004, 03:37:46 PM
bullshit man, preds should be buildin piles from the frekin peices
Title: Re: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: joe on Jun 30, 2004, 03:37:50 PM
scar is the only one to kill an alien, another pred fights kinda hard in the beginning and gives grid its GRID, but then the g alien kills that pred. My guess is that the pred that dies fighting grid is celtic
Title: Re: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: Jack244 on Jun 30, 2004, 03:38:10 PM
So the Grid alien at least gets its fare share of a beating by preds too though
Title: Re: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: 13 on Jun 30, 2004, 03:39:09 PM
Shit! I wanna see that.  THe grid alien seems like one tough bastard!
Title: Re: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: uhhhhh on Jun 30, 2004, 03:40:34 PM
that may be so, but the preds should still be massacrin the things in good numbers, how many frekin aliens are there?
Title: Re: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: 13 on Jun 30, 2004, 03:42:26 PM
THey were probably preoccupied with the studpid humans.  But we should all wait and see if the movie can still pull it off.
Title: Re: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: jack244 on Jun 30, 2004, 03:42:42 PM
How does the grid kill the Celtic. How do most of the Preds die and how does Scar kill the 1 alien?
Title: Re: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: joe on Jun 30, 2004, 03:43:05 PM
i agree with uhh, but scar and grid have 2 good fights, i just friggin wish they woulda let scar cut its head off or somthing i mean the friggin guy gets killed by the queen let him at least kill another alien...although he does shoot one with his gun and there is a little undetailed line that says lex watches scar decapitate another alien closer to the end after he kills his first
Title: Re: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: 13 on Jun 30, 2004, 03:44:49 PM
does the celtic die from the queen?
Title: Re: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: 13 on Jun 30, 2004, 03:46:56 PM
Oh hey how does the queen get free?   ???  
Title: Re: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: Jack244 on Jun 30, 2004, 03:47:17 PM
So the Scar Predator kills 2 Aliens then. 1 by his gun (net?) and decapitation for the second. Right? He also used his bomb. So technically he killed all the Aliens cept for the the 1 Lex kills right?
Title: Re: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: joe on Jun 30, 2004, 03:48:06 PM
Scar slices its arm off wioth his disk, kicks it on its ass and then slices its head off as he uses his disk as a dagger, then he skins it and bloods himself. Then he fights grid and kicks its ass into a pillar and the pillar falls on the grid alien, it gets out and they fight again in the ice grotto. thats where it says after lex kills an alien with some kind of gun that scar slices the head off another alien....celtic gets bit int he head by the grids inner jaws, dunno if its him tho they don't say. the other preds get jumped on from the ceiling and impailed by tails and shit
Title: Re: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: joe on Jun 30, 2004, 03:50:30 PM
i know im confusing but im angry its all outta order. i think the celtic is the second to die outta all the preds.
Title: Re: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: 13 on Jun 30, 2004, 03:51:39 PM
So how did the queen get freed?
Title: Re: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: joe on Jun 30, 2004, 03:53:20 PM
the aliens free her, they like bite her chains off an shit and bleed her acid on to the remaining restraints
Title: Re: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: 13 on Jun 30, 2004, 03:57:01 PM
thanks
Title: Re: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: Jack244 on Jun 30, 2004, 04:01:26 PM
Does the Celtic kill ANY aliens. And overall during the Scar and Grid fights, who dishes out the most beating? Scar or Grid?
Title: Re: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: MERC on Jun 30, 2004, 04:07:03 PM
So dose the guy say "you ugly son of a bitch" or dose he say "Your one ugly mother f**ker"
Title: Re: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: izzet on Jun 30, 2004, 04:25:54 PM
It's nice to hear that the Alien is kicking the Pred's arse in someplaces. At least Anderson hasn't undervalued them so there easily torn apart.
Title: Re: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: Saint Sinner on Jun 30, 2004, 04:28:17 PM
Aside from the fighting, what does it say about the Predator backstory involving the pyramids and stuff? Anything interesting there that is described? Like the Predator in the concept art who's holding the Alien head above him and stuff?
Title: Re: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: EXOSUIT on Jun 30, 2004, 04:58:09 PM
Well what dose the guy say?
Title: Re: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: MERC on Jun 30, 2004, 05:01:04 PM
  :-\   Well what dose he say?
Title: Re: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: Faye on Jun 30, 2004, 06:58:39 PM
Ok, and how many fights Queen will have ? And who is gonna die killed by Queen ?
Title: Re: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: Shadow on Jun 30, 2004, 07:28:33 PM
Spoiler Comment (If the Spoiler by Joe is correct)  If it is true that the predators are massacred and that Scar is the only one who manages to kill an alien I will be angry and disappointed. Hopefully it will not be so. Quite obvious that the aliens will manage to kill some preds but I mean with all their technology they can't even manage take out one alien while being attacked.   >:D   If you recall in Resident Evil (if you watched it), where the commando's were trapped in that room or corridor with the laser beams that killed the lot that were trapped in that room. Half the cast were than out of the movie. I hope Paul Anderson evades from doing something similar in AVP like Killing a few Preds off at one time if the post by Joe is correct when saying that Four Preds die without even touching an alien .   ???  
Title: Re: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: Alien Emperor on Jun 30, 2004, 08:42:41 PM
I've got another predalien theory: I think that if a host dies when they'r inpregnant, the embryo dies a little too. But to stay alive it msut take over some fresh host cells, so if it's a pred that will be a Predalien, but if the pred stay alive, it will be a normal Drone. Anyone like it?   :-\  
Title: Re: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: hivecluster on Jun 30, 2004, 09:42:12 PM
what is this Grid alien is it a stronger type of alien or what can someone explain
Title: Re: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: Alien Emperor on Jun 30, 2004, 09:46:25 PM
hivecluster, the grid alien is a normal drone that has bin fighting with a pred and caught up in a net of a pred. that explaines the curves on his head and shoulders
Title: Re: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: J on Jun 30, 2004, 10:23:05 PM
Wait up folks!! I do LIKE  hell alien suggestion. Imagine for the sequel if and thats a big IF they did bring back the Queen the predators would want some kind of payback    Introducing a new type of predator, one that can go 1 on 1 with the Queen - A Predator King, bigger, more gagdets, smarter and MEANER !!!
Title: Re: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: Alien Emperor on Jun 30, 2004, 10:35:31 PM
Nah, a King? a king would not take the risk, it would be better a special king's elite of smomething
Title: Re: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: J on Jun 30, 2004, 11:08:53 PM
Yeah Alien Emperor, I see your point but hear me out hear. Perhaps if this ' king'  type predator was one few older generation of predator.You have :  1.Young junior type predator ( maybe those from the previous films, with shorter manes).  2.Standard type, Worrior versions.  3.The Elder, older versions   4.The ' King' type predator -     * MUCH larger than the warrior ( 9ft tall)    * More weapons ( a new typr disc that has a fusion look to the 1 from predator 2 and this new shriken type from the new movie).    * A LARGE blade type spear.    * Perhaps a dual type canon     * A mantis like hand blade, which like the standard p. blades could folds half in giving the predator more manevability.    * More visions.  I could spend ages describing to you this new ' king ', I'll design it and put it on the net, get some feed back from all you cats.      ;D  
Title: Re: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: joe on Jul 01, 2004, 12:10:07 AM
the grid alien is referred to as the "ALPHA ALIEN" its bigger and stronger than the others
Title: Re: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: Jack244 on Jul 01, 2004, 01:06:44 AM
Joe you still didn't answer me. Who gives out more punishment in the fights. Scar or Grid.
Title: Re: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: Maurice "HopeOfTheFuture" Huijs on Jul 01, 2004, 01:36:42 AM
I don't have the time to read all the posts now, but I just want to say:  "I read Lotr return of the king novel before seeing the movie, And in the novel, Aragorn is dying of oldness, then arwen is dying of sorrow. ( well she let herself die ) and theres other things that were not in tha movie."  I thought this was filmed for the extended edition,
Title: Re: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: joe on Jul 01, 2004, 01:55:50 AM
its about equal between scar and grid
Title: Re: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: J on Jul 01, 2004, 02:25:23 AM
What makes it bigger than the standard drones ?   ;)  
Title: Re: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: Jack244 on Jul 01, 2004, 02:40:13 AM
Joe, you said there were 5 Predators. Who are they?  I know Scar dies by the Queen  Celtic dies by Grid Alien  In the trailer I think I saw one Pred getting killed by many Aliens and had the standard Predator mask.  Then there is the one with the gills who goes face to face with an alien in the trailer. How does he die?  And who is this 5th Predator and how does he die?
Title: Re: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: J on Jul 01, 2004, 02:41:57 AM
Hell Alien, I've never like this idea of a female predator, now wait! am NOT sexist believe me but the idea of their being two genders gives them a 2 humanistic quality, no disrepect my man. I've always imagined them being born like a type of matrixy approach, being born and bred in2 the perfect hunting creature with just mind to hunt, hunt and hunt again !
Title: Re: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: Maurice "HopeOfTheFuture" Huijs on Jul 01, 2004, 03:18:34 AM
"In the trailer I think I saw one Pred getting killed by many Aliens and had the standard Predator mask."  I thought this could be the end from the pyramid flashback, where the Aliens have overrun the 3 Predators and are almost killing them. One of them is able to activate its self-destruct mechanism  A friend of mine though it could the scene where the PredAlien is born from the Predator, but I doubt that if I see the news now.
Title: Re: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: intheknow on Jul 01, 2004, 03:20:50 AM
Jack244 | 30 Jun 2004 05:39 pm  Joe, you said there were 5 Predators. Who are they?   I know Scar dies by the Queen   Celtic dies by Grid Alien   In the trailer I think I saw one Pred getting killed by many Aliens and had the standard Predator mask.   Then there is the one with the gills who goes face to face with an alien in the trailer. How does he die?   And who is this 5th Predator and how does he die?    There were originally going to be 7 Predators in the latter part of the film. Remember, the pyramid scenes are back history showing how and why the Predators go there.There are three New helmet designs. THe "Celtic", the "plated", and if you look closely at the one spinning the spear at the end of the trailer it's the third variant. Looks lose to the original but has some detail on the jaw areas. It looks like the one wearing this helmet is also the one getting assaulted by all the Aliens. Scar wears the original with scars on it (think Balck Hawk Down: names on helmets for identification)
Title: Re: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: Maurice "HopeOfTheFuture" Huijs on Jul 01, 2004, 03:34:51 AM
A question about the ending with all those Predators and the impregnated, died Predator. Why the hell don't the Predators see that Scar Predator is impregnated with an Alien? I mean, they have those very sophisticated vision with which they can scan a person's body like Weyland or the pregnant woman in Predator 2. Then why can't they scan this Predator's body with it, and see the PredAlien inside?
Title: Re: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: batman on Jul 01, 2004, 03:36:23 AM
Remember tho in alien 3 the original chestburster came from a dead ox, rather than a living dog. It was only changed cos the real ox wouldn't work in the scenes so they scrapped it at the last minute. so it seems an alien embryo can live inside a dead host, tho it has to be alive when impregnated.  Alien 3 does contradict itself tho cos in the final draft script the queen embryo grows inside Newt yet when she dies it crawls out of her mouth and into ripley to further develop.
Title: Re: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: Maurice "HopeOfTheFuture" Huijs on Jul 01, 2004, 03:48:59 AM
batman: "Alien 3 does contradict itself tho cos in the final draft script the queen embryo grows inside Newt yet when she dies it crawls out of her mouth and into ripley to further develop."  Not only in the screenplay, but in the comic Newt Tale it ends with a facehugger on her cryotupe.   The change of host is also in the Alien 3 comic: http://www.planetavp.com/al/Alien3/DeletedScenes/a3out1p1.jpg  In the movie, you can even see the facehugger on Newt's cyrotupe. Its fingers appear and then you see a very quick shot of a young blonde girl -> Newt   By the way, doesn anyone have an idea about my question?  A question about the ending with all those Predators and the impregnated, died Predator. Why the hell don't the Predators see that Scar Predator is impregnated with an Alien? I mean, they have those very sophisticated vision with which they can scan a person's body like Weyland or the pregnant woman in Predator 2. Then why can't they scan this Predator's body with it, and see the PredAlien inside?
Title: Re: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: celtic predator on Jul 01, 2004, 03:51:47 AM
jack 244, I hope your wrong about the Predators that dies, or else you just f***** it up for me    :-\  
Title: Re: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: Predlanguagemaster on Jul 01, 2004, 04:13:11 AM
if all the teenage preds die except the scar and then the scar gets facehugged....what do you nthink would happen to the ship if the predators not steering it hmm.ship go boom!!!
Title: Re: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: predlanguageMaster on Jul 01, 2004, 04:16:41 AM
oh yeah and so does the predalien chestburster!
Title: Re: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: Hell Alien on Jul 01, 2004, 06:28:30 AM
WEll first, J, I never said that I loved the idea of a female, I said that if done properly, it would be cool to see one in a movie. But the movie shouldnt be all around the female. Anyway, I dont want to see a female in this. lIKE i SAID, If they were goin to be a female in this, they would have done the 2nd movie with a female.  And about the preds gettin their ass kicked, true they do. Its almost like the preds were newbies and that they were not having any strategies. Even against the humans they are dumb. Yes I know they are newbies but they had sure a lil preparation. Otherwise, they would be dumb. But ppl, remember that this is just a novel, its not the real thing. Im sure that the preds in tha movie are goin to get like 5-6 aliens out. Maybe more, but not much more. But 1-1 they are unexperience and dont really know how to do the thing against the aliens. That is why they got killed. Cuz the aliens in tha novel are described as very unpredictable and agile. more than the preds. One pred is even panicing in 1 scene where he is facing 2 aliens, so he gets killed cuz of that. But in the movie, PA wont do that, woould be a damn big mistake. And I wouldnt want to see that either. He will do something good out of this and remember that this is a novel.
Title: Re: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: Me on Jul 01, 2004, 07:09:12 AM
(Spoiler info from book) I read the whole book in 7 hours last night / today. Id like to point out a few things. Scar supposedly dies at the end by the Queen's tail impaling him through the chest, how could the fetus within his chest still survive at the end of the book? They also speak as though they are all within 10 inches of one another the whole graveyard battle, almost as if dodging was not an option. And when the hell was scar facehugged lol, all they spoke of was scar bieng fully armored until teaming with Lex and beating down alien ass. The other predator who actually gave birth in the temple had his facehugging described but scars was not, he was also with another pred the whole time prior to lex. The celtic pred was never desribed in the book, they refered to every predator beside scar as another pred, nothing special, atleast not until the end when they describe the dozen of preds hovering over scar's corpse.They did however refer to one pred as their leader while setting down for the first time. Multiple scenes within the trailers are not in the book. For example, they do not have the log splintering off the predator at the whailing station, there were no mercy or playful acts in the book when the preds were topside. There is a segment in the book with the coffin and the 3 plasma cannons within to which set off the pyramid mechanism and tools to use once they made a hand vs hand alien kill. Why just 3? Guess they assumed only 3 of 5 would survive to use them, im guessing the clip with the 3 preds hovering over a red tint must be the empty weapon coffin. The other part that concerns me is the books reference to the pred and aliens wieght, from part 4 AR on the ladder right outside the water the black actor and cripple held an alien corpse on them for quite awhile (alien was dead). In the AVP novel they spoke as if the alien wieghed 600 pounds pinning the preds and fatigue'ing them quickly, lol. Overall I liked the book but some scenes need tuning and Im sure they will for the movie. If the end of the movie is the same as the book then its just another P2 ending or atleast 99.9% of it bieng the same (this time the human is friends with the pred instead of a victories combatant*). If the pred does use wrestling moves on the alien I dont see why that would be a problem, not as if they are gonna box lol. Pred vs an alien with 2 arms and a tail isnt quite fair if they boxed instead of wrestled    ???    two thumbs up imo....only needs a movie counterpart polish.
Title: Re: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: Rakai'Thwei on Jul 01, 2004, 07:20:31 AM
I still say Yautja should've won...I'm just standing by my favorite species..
Title: Re: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: Faye on Jul 01, 2004, 07:29:44 AM
AGAIN - how many characters ALIEN QUEEN is goin to kill ?????
Title: Re: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: batman on Jul 01, 2004, 07:40:13 AM
how many aliens do the humans kill then?  do they kill a predator?  Are all the preds weapons used?
Title: Re: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: Hell Alien on Jul 01, 2004, 07:41:49 AM
SPOILERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!   Faye, 2. scar and another one. Dunno is he is the celtic, I think so but they dont describe any pred in this. exp the scar pred. The queen is hurt in her fight against the first pred that she slaughter litterally. So it is not at full strenght that the queen is goin on the 2 survivors. But she killed 2 preds. And we dont know if she die or not. I dont think so, since she was frozen and then got awake. So a icy bath wont kill her. I think.
Title: Re: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: batman on Jul 01, 2004, 07:52:23 AM
what is the coolest human death then?
Title: Re: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: YautjaWarrior on Jul 01, 2004, 10:22:02 AM
~SPOILER~ batman- Hmmm... the coolest human death maybe Weyland's...but only because he torched the pred, but Weyland's assistant is literally slice'n'diced by a predator net.(very gory details   ;D  ) Technically, neither species won. Aliens were blown up by a pred selfdistruct, and the preds were all killed by the aliens. Interesting...
Title: Re: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: JTrebat85 on Jul 01, 2004, 10:51:07 AM
The author may have changed the ending for his book.  But before Alien Ressurection came out I bought the comic books and the followed the movie pretty well up to the Half Ripley, Half Alien creature birthing from the Queen.  So that could be how it ends knowing Anderson.
Title: Re: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: Hell Alien on Jul 01, 2004, 11:27:40 AM
Yautja!!!!!!!!!!1 why the hell did ya post that?? Weylan thing, let giv these ppl a chance of being surprised in this. Man if we continue like that, we will tell every details?. well ok then, IM goin to do a overview of tha thing. If that whats everyone wnt. no surprise then. lol
Title: Re: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: Galmorzu on Jul 01, 2004, 12:03:36 PM
lol!  Why do I get the feeling that Colin Salmon's death in this is really just going to be a nasty, cruel, inside joke?  He got diced by a laser net in RE, then now by a Pred net in AvP it seems.  Poor actor.  :-P
Title: Re: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: uhhhhh on Jul 01, 2004, 12:24:18 PM
first of all, a king pred is just an old pred, super-highly trained, and of royal blood, that is the king of the "tribe" or "clan" if you will  would EASILY slaughter that stupid bitch! (queen) no offense though, just so damn highly frekin trained...
Title: Re: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: Hell Alien on Jul 01, 2004, 12:31:55 PM
what did ya said? 1 pred would slaughter he queen?!  Ok ..........HOW !!?  with his plasma no choice or he is dead, and tha plasma will have to bee dead accurate and damn strong to kill the queen in 1 shot, cuz that will be about the time that the pred will have before he gets trowed away. The bitch is moving fast. not as fast as the others but fast anyway. Nah, anywyay if ya want to think that a pred would take out a queen then so be it.
Title: Re: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: celtic predator on Jul 01, 2004, 01:44:04 PM
Let me see............ yeah were gonna have to find out on the movie
Title: Re: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: batman on Jul 01, 2004, 07:54:01 PM
r we gonna see the queen leading her army of drones then, cos that wud be a really cool image to see.  so there is one thing im confused by. Some people are saying that the aliens were killed cos one of the preds tossed a bomb at them and only the queen survived.  Yet others say they died cos of a pred's self-destruct. Yet if that were true how does the queen survive that?  Also one other thing, r the spears like the extending ones in pred 2? and what do you make of lex using the alien head as a shield cos that sounds like a terrible idea to me. does she use it?
Title: Re: PredAlien Spoilers / AvP Ending
Post by: Just Me on Jul 03, 2004, 12:24:38 PM
I just read the AVP Novelization in two days and I have some comments and can answer some of the previous quentions along the way so if you are interested, here goe:   ***MEGA SPOILERS****:  There were seven predators - one in Cambodia that fights an Alien in a jungle during a back story in 2000 B.C.(this scene may be cut in the movie - replaced by preds at top of pyramid), one in 1904 in the whaling station that slaughters some guys (hint of that scene in one of the featurettes where the guy is on the floor of the cabin backing up), and five during the present day in the pyramid.   There were two pred alien chestbursters, but none in the adult form.  One bursts out in front of Lex and Scar and gets killed by Scar.  And one which happened to start to (book only mentions his chest convulging) emerge from Scar after his dead body was honored and taken away on the pred spacehip.  There were several Aliens involved in fights throughout the movie but never gave an exact number.  But the end of the movie involved Scar and Lex escaping through the 2000 ft. ice tunnel while being pursued by hundreds of Aliens clawing up the sides, two of which were the Queen and the grid Alien riding on her back.  The book never once mentions anything about the three preds on top of the pyramid fighting thousands of Aliens.  The main Alien is the alpha Alien (Grid Alien) which is described as much bigger and meaner than the rest of the brood.  The pred catching the chestburster is Scar and he is catching it after it bursts out of Sebastions chest.  Lex shoots Sebastion in the head first though with a desert eagle. No blood in featurette.  Maybe it will be CGI added.  I hope!  Some things that sucked:  They don't mentioned anything of the predator vision in the book.  It is hardly ever utilized.  Same goes for the shoulder plasma cannons.  Actually Scar uses it like once and that's it because he doesn't receive it until the end of the book.  Some plot holes:  There were many close fights between pred and alien that metion tons of Alien spilled blood.  However, the acid rarely or never burns the preds except on a few occasions.  And YES the alien acid eats through the armor.  And NO the Pred blood does not neutralize the alien blood.  Quinn falls 2000 feet down thew ice hole and scrapes along the side with his axe along the way, grabs a few cables, but somehow survives the fall.  I found this to be stupid.  Lex Jumping the chasm and somehow grabbing onto some small ledge that she clings onto...this happens way too much in movies.  No one could ever hang on.  And where the hell do the hundreds of Aliens come from!!  The book never mentions this!  Yes a few people get embryos implanted and I can see if there were at least 10 Aliens...but 100s!!  Why the hell do all the Aliens start trying to eat their queen alive?  They aren't cannibles!!  I found this to be very stupid.