Started by Corporal Hicks, Apr 03, 2019, 11:27:02 PM
Quote from: SM on Sep 13, 2019, 01:37:49 AMQuote from: Xiggz456 on Sep 13, 2019, 01:21:32 AMQuote from: SM on Sep 12, 2019, 08:31:36 PMQuote from: Corporal Hicks on Sep 12, 2019, 09:48:37 AMQuote from: SM on Sep 09, 2019, 12:13:21 PMAll entirely possible. However my point is it's not really relevant to use Isolation as an argument against 'the beast is cooked', when it was really just re-heating the original beast.I've got to disagree there. While sales wise, it disappointed Sega, it still proved that the Alien itself was an effective tool, even if it wasn't a massive departure from Alien. Unless the argument is "beast is cooked" = doesn't sell as well, opposed to not effective.It's effective because it copied the first film. If Ridley had done that, people would be complaining about that instead.Sales is just an aside.Isolation is effective because of its atmosphere, tension, and presentation which are traits that it obviously shares with the original film; but this same combination is missing from the prequels. Sure the presentation is there but there's very little tension and the atmosphere isn't exactly consistent with the previous films. Isolation showcased what works with the franchise and therefore is absolutely relevant to "the beast is cooked" argument, let alone that it made the alien scary again. It's one of the few entries that the fandom can actually agree on favorably unlike Ridley's last two entries. Isolation was scary because it copied the first film.I don't really agree with Riddles' 'beast if cooked' thing; but using a game that copied the movie that he made as an example has no merit. I'll wait for when someone actually does something different and its scary as Alien.
Quote from: Xiggz456 on Sep 13, 2019, 01:21:32 AMQuote from: SM on Sep 12, 2019, 08:31:36 PMQuote from: Corporal Hicks on Sep 12, 2019, 09:48:37 AMQuote from: SM on Sep 09, 2019, 12:13:21 PMAll entirely possible. However my point is it's not really relevant to use Isolation as an argument against 'the beast is cooked', when it was really just re-heating the original beast.I've got to disagree there. While sales wise, it disappointed Sega, it still proved that the Alien itself was an effective tool, even if it wasn't a massive departure from Alien. Unless the argument is "beast is cooked" = doesn't sell as well, opposed to not effective.It's effective because it copied the first film. If Ridley had done that, people would be complaining about that instead.Sales is just an aside.Isolation is effective because of its atmosphere, tension, and presentation which are traits that it obviously shares with the original film; but this same combination is missing from the prequels. Sure the presentation is there but there's very little tension and the atmosphere isn't exactly consistent with the previous films. Isolation showcased what works with the franchise and therefore is absolutely relevant to "the beast is cooked" argument, let alone that it made the alien scary again. It's one of the few entries that the fandom can actually agree on favorably unlike Ridley's last two entries.
Quote from: SM on Sep 12, 2019, 08:31:36 PMQuote from: Corporal Hicks on Sep 12, 2019, 09:48:37 AMQuote from: SM on Sep 09, 2019, 12:13:21 PMAll entirely possible. However my point is it's not really relevant to use Isolation as an argument against 'the beast is cooked', when it was really just re-heating the original beast.I've got to disagree there. While sales wise, it disappointed Sega, it still proved that the Alien itself was an effective tool, even if it wasn't a massive departure from Alien. Unless the argument is "beast is cooked" = doesn't sell as well, opposed to not effective.It's effective because it copied the first film. If Ridley had done that, people would be complaining about that instead.Sales is just an aside.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Sep 12, 2019, 09:48:37 AMQuote from: SM on Sep 09, 2019, 12:13:21 PMAll entirely possible. However my point is it's not really relevant to use Isolation as an argument against 'the beast is cooked', when it was really just re-heating the original beast.I've got to disagree there. While sales wise, it disappointed Sega, it still proved that the Alien itself was an effective tool, even if it wasn't a massive departure from Alien. Unless the argument is "beast is cooked" = doesn't sell as well, opposed to not effective.
Quote from: SM on Sep 09, 2019, 12:13:21 PMAll entirely possible. However my point is it's not really relevant to use Isolation as an argument against 'the beast is cooked', when it was really just re-heating the original beast.
Quote from: Xiggz456 on Sep 13, 2019, 04:31:25 PMQuote from: SM on Sep 13, 2019, 01:37:49 AMQuote from: Xiggz456 on Sep 13, 2019, 01:21:32 AMQuote from: SM on Sep 12, 2019, 08:31:36 PMQuote from: Corporal Hicks on Sep 12, 2019, 09:48:37 AMQuote from: SM on Sep 09, 2019, 12:13:21 PMAll entirely possible. However my point is it's not really relevant to use Isolation as an argument against 'the beast is cooked', when it was really just re-heating the original beast.I've got to disagree there. While sales wise, it disappointed Sega, it still proved that the Alien itself was an effective tool, even if it wasn't a massive departure from Alien. Unless the argument is "beast is cooked" = doesn't sell as well, opposed to not effective.It's effective because it copied the first film. If Ridley had done that, people would be complaining about that instead.Sales is just an aside.Isolation is effective because of its atmosphere, tension, and presentation which are traits that it obviously shares with the original film; but this same combination is missing from the prequels. Sure the presentation is there but there's very little tension and the atmosphere isn't exactly consistent with the previous films. Isolation showcased what works with the franchise and therefore is absolutely relevant to "the beast is cooked" argument, let alone that it made the alien scary again. It's one of the few entries that the fandom can actually agree on favorably unlike Ridley's last two entries. Isolation was scary because it copied the first film.I don't really agree with Riddles' 'beast if cooked' thing; but using a game that copied the movie that he made as an example has no merit. I'll wait for when someone actually does something different and its scary as Alien.That's fair enough but I think "copied" is a bit of an exaggeration. There's a term in art school known as "repetition and variation" and it's how artists come to create a signature style. For example Giger's artwork uses many of the same elements, characters, shading etc. in his work but there's still variations in each piece to both distinguish the individual works while still remaining completely Giger-Esque. Aliens, A3, and Isolation are all examples of repetition and variation of the first film so I don't see any issue with it as long as it works (which in reality is the really tricky part).
Quote from: Local Trouble on Sep 13, 2019, 10:48:06 PMNow we need a game that copies the bait and chase stuff from Alien 3.
Quote from: SM on Sep 13, 2019, 09:37:10 PMQuote from: Xiggz456 on Sep 13, 2019, 04:31:25 PMQuote from: SM on Sep 13, 2019, 01:37:49 AMQuote from: Xiggz456 on Sep 13, 2019, 01:21:32 AMQuote from: SM on Sep 12, 2019, 08:31:36 PMQuote from: Corporal Hicks on Sep 12, 2019, 09:48:37 AMQuote from: SM on Sep 09, 2019, 12:13:21 PMAll entirely possible. However my point is it's not really relevant to use Isolation as an argument against 'the beast is cooked', when it was really just re-heating the original beast.I've got to disagree there. While sales wise, it disappointed Sega, it still proved that the Alien itself was an effective tool, even if it wasn't a massive departure from Alien. Unless the argument is "beast is cooked" = doesn't sell as well, opposed to not effective.It's effective because it copied the first film. If Ridley had done that, people would be complaining about that instead.Sales is just an aside.Isolation is effective because of its atmosphere, tension, and presentation which are traits that it obviously shares with the original film; but this same combination is missing from the prequels. Sure the presentation is there but there's very little tension and the atmosphere isn't exactly consistent with the previous films. Isolation showcased what works with the franchise and therefore is absolutely relevant to "the beast is cooked" argument, let alone that it made the alien scary again. It's one of the few entries that the fandom can actually agree on favorably unlike Ridley's last two entries. Isolation was scary because it copied the first film.I don't really agree with Riddles' 'beast if cooked' thing; but using a game that copied the movie that he made as an example has no merit. I'll wait for when someone actually does something different and its scary as Alien.That's fair enough but I think "copied" is a bit of an exaggeration. There's a term in art school known as "repetition and variation" and it's how artists come to create a signature style. For example Giger's artwork uses many of the same elements, characters, shading etc. in his work but there's still variations in each piece to both distinguish the individual works while still remaining completely Giger-Esque. Aliens, A3, and Isolation are all examples of repetition and variation of the first film so I don't see any issue with it as long as it works (which in reality is the really tricky part).I thought it was a very deliberate copy, and that was part of the appeal after so many games focused on colonial marines. It's the second half of Alien but on a space station and with more varied opportunities to take on the monster. The station looks the same as the Nostromo, it's lit the same, the music has the same tone, the costumes are the same, etc.
QuoteI agree with what you're saying to an extent but the elements you've mentioned that are the same don't necessarily guarantee a successful entry.
Quote from: Dingbat on Sep 14, 2019, 02:10:50 PMWhat I regret the most is thinking it wasn't on Xbox 360, only Xbox One;