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Shane Black talks about The Predator costume design in a new article from SuperHeroHype! With Shane Black still doing the press rounds for The Nice Guys (trailer here), we find more details about his next project, The Predator (aka Predator 4) coming out as he inevitably fields questions regarding The Predator during press junkets. In this latest update from SuperHeroHype, Black talks about The Predator costume design:

"It's not to 'improve,' it's make it fun, make it different, make it organically different. So what's the extension of it that makes sense, that's exciting? There have been a lot of changes to Stan's design over the years. These different Predator movies have done different things. Ultimately it's not about design to me, it's about the story you want to tell. There are people who are always going to agonize over Iron Man, what color his suit is. Maybe this weapon does a new thing, but if the story is not good I don't give a sh*t what color the suit is. In 'The Predator' we're doing a lot of upgrades to what you would consider to be the traditional Predator technology and look, but hopefully the story is what's going to drag people in, not just the attention to the minutiae."

So it sounds as if we’ll be seeing a new approach this time around! One of Alien vs. Predator Galaxy’s own will be in attendance at a showing of The Nice Guys with a Q&A with Shane Black where we plan on following up on this with a question about which effects house Shane Black intends to use to design and construct The Predator costume design this time around.

At the same junket that SuperHeroHype attended, JoBlo was also in attendance and though they didn’t get anything new from Shane Black, they did confirm the recent news regarding when The Predator would shoot and Black talks a little about his mentality in trying to give The Predator back that same feeling of “wonderment, mystery and adventure” that the first Predator had:

“I was reluctant to. If you look at the opening of the first Predator, with the helicopters coming in and landing with the smoke and the native people… It was so compelling because it established a world in which this is still mysterious for you. It’s not a sci-fi world. It was so fresh back then, like a “why didn’t I think of that, what the f**k?” quality to it. I’d like to get back to a movie where it’s three months out and people are like, “Let’s get our tickets now because we’re aware of this, it seems like they put the money and attention into it, it’s not just a knock-off.” Really try to get back to that feeling of wonderment, mystery and adventure. A fresh movie. Without giving away details, that’s been our goal. To say, “What’s the John McTiernan and Joel Silver of this, and how do we get back to that?”

As Shane Black continues to promote The Nice Guys, we will probably hear more and more about The Predator. Stick with Alien vs. Predator Galaxy for the details! Thanks to Johnny Handsome and Kaiju Ninja for the news.

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Which one us will be going to the Nice Guys Q&A to be asking about the Predator? I'm... genuinely curious.

HuDaFuk will be.

And from the reading of the article, it sounds like we're getting a Predator that's more in line with the first two films but with an upgraded set of armor and weapons? That sounds interesting.. comforting in some ways to say.

is funny what he said about the color of the armor and the story of the movie because Iron Man 3 is one of the worst superhero movies ever made but many people have a thing with all the armors from the movie. Maybe he thinks Im3 is a good movie

The predator to me always appeared cumbersome with bulky equipment strapped all over it, and especially clumsy in 'Predators'. The designs really have come from the 80's after all. I think that wolf seemed visually the most agile of any on screen appearance.

I hope the predator tech, weapons and armor will be more sleek and compact without sacrificing functionality... think og pred as a nokia and this pred as a smart phone... (strictly from a design standpoint)

But as Shane says, the story is more important. It's good to see a competent director ****ing this cat. Just from his comments I'm more and more optimistic about this movie.

Quote from: Eren on May 13, 2016, 06:47:56 AM
is funny what he said about the color of the armor and the story of the movie because Iron Man 3 is one of the worst superhero movies ever made but many people have a thing with all the armors from the movie. Maybe he thinks Im3 is a good movie

I think those that dislike Iron-Man 3 are just louder. There's near enough 80% from both critics and fans for IM3 on Rotten Tomatoes. It was better liked than people think.

Quote from: bloodinthemud on May 13, 2016, 07:06:37 AM
The predator to me always appeared cumbersome with bulky equipment strapped all over it, and especially clumsy in 'Predators'. The designs really have come from the 80's after all. I think that wolf seemed visually the most agile of any on screen appearance.

Yeah, Wolf was the best the Predator has looked and moved since the originals. I hope whoever they get to do the creature effects really tries to emphasize what the original did well and I think Ian and AvPRs portrayal is a good place for them to look too!

QuoteBut as Shane says, the story is more important. It's good to see a competent director ****ing this cat. Just from his comments I'm more and more optimistic about this movie.

Everything Shane Black says is filling with me with confidence at the minute.

Well, Having been involved with the design of the original Predator they could always go back to one of our early designs.

Welcome to the site, Robert. Are there any particular old designs you think would be good to revisit?

Quote... hopefully the story is what's going to drag people in, not just the attention to the minutiae.

Clearly, Shane Black has never stopped by this forum ... ;D

As long as it's not so different it's unrecognizable.

If they take a predator 2/AVPR approach we have a winner here
If they take the Predators/AVP2004 approach it's an instant boycott.

I hope by costume they mean the Predator's mask and weapons. For Christ's sake, don't change the look like Predators did. Nothing beats Stan's Predator.

Ok... so the Predator's getting a 2010's upgrade. Well that can go either way but Shane Black is definitely putting his eggs into the story basket. Perhaps he's delegating the makeup and effects to the artistic licensing department. Well since Black is a professional writer with legitimate credentials; I'm giving him the whole benefit of doubt that he can pull it off. :)

Even if the Predator ends up in a yellow suit! :P

Every movie had different Predators so far, and it's ok, every director wants to make his artistic stamp on things, why would/should this make an exception?

The character itself is so versatile, just look at the movies we had so far and all the fan variations. As far as designs go, you could make a 100 more movies and the character could still be different and interesting every single time.

I hope they go for an interesting, yet sleek/agile design, like they did in the originals. It's not so much the Predator themselfes that need to be changed, but i'm totally up for new weapon and armour styles.

The Predators at the end of the second movie are still the benchmark for me of how to get the character right, yet how to make every single one different and unique.

Quote from: overthere on May 13, 2016, 10:02:58 AM
I hope by costume they mean the Predator's mask and weapons. For Christ's sake, don't change the look like Predators did. Nothing beats Stan's Predator.

I sincerely doubt that much of a drastic change will come about. We'll still get mandibles and dreadlocks. Hell Shane Black was freaking Hawkins. No way would he approve of something like that.

Quote from: Johnny Handsome on May 13, 2016, 10:13:09 AM
The Predators at the end of the second movie are still the benchmark for me of how to get the character right, yet how to make every single one different and unique.

This.

I wonder if they'll make the Predator completely invisible, not just transparent. And their technology is due to fix the water issue. We have waterproof phones, so Predators should be able to fix a glitch with their cloak in water.

Though the transparent effect is sort of a Predator trademark.

Quote from: overthere on May 13, 2016, 12:08:16 PM
I wonder if they'll make the Predator completely invisible, not just transparent. And their technology is due to fix the water issue. We have waterproof phones, so Predators should be able to fix a glitch with their cloak in water.

Though the transparent effect is sort of a Predator trademark.

I think it would be quite boring visually if you don't see anything at all, i think it's way cooler when you see that half transparent cloaking effect, and yes, it's a Predator trademark that really doesn't need an update in my book.

A Predator thats a cross between Jungle Hunter and the Elder from Predator 2 is something i'd be interested in seeing

Quote from: Johnny Handsome on May 13, 2016, 12:25:28 PM
I think it would be quite boring visually if you don't see anything at all, i think it's way cooler when you see that half transparent cloaking effect, and yes, it's a Predator trademark that really doesn't need an update in my book.

I agree. But the tagline is "You'll never see him coming" :D

Quote from: Johnny Handsome on May 13, 2016, 12:25:28 PM

Quote from: overthere on May 13, 2016, 12:08:16 PM
I wonder if they'll make the Predator completely invisible, not just transparent. And their technology is due to fix the water issue. We have waterproof phones, so Predators should be able to fix a glitch with their cloak in water.

Though the transparent effect is sort of a Predator trademark.

I think it would be quite boring visually if you don't see anything at all, i think it's way cooler when you see that half transparent cloaking effect, and yes, it's a Predator trademark that really doesn't need an update in my book.

I completely agree. It needs to retain its signature shimmer. It's a staple of the series.

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I do hope to see some new cool weaponry though. I'd like to finally see a sword being used.

What if he's completely invisible while standing perfectly still, but you see the outlines while he's moving? That could make for a bit of interesting dynamics.

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 13, 2016, 12:34:35 PM

Quote from: Johnny Handsome on May 13, 2016, 12:25:28 PM

Quote from: overthere on May 13, 2016, 12:08:16 PM
I wonder if they'll make the Predator completely invisible, not just transparent. And their technology is due to fix the water issue. We have waterproof phones, so Predators should be able to fix a glitch with their cloak in water.

Though the transparent effect is sort of a Predator trademark.

I think it would be quite boring visually if you don't see anything at all, i think it's way cooler when you see that half transparent cloaking effect, and yes, it's a Predator trademark that really doesn't need an update in my book.

I completely agree. It needs to retain its signature shimmer. It's a staple of the series.

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I do hope to see some new cool weaponry though. I'd like to finally see a sword being used.

Every movie introduced some new weaponry, or at least some sort of update on existing weapons. I really think this will too and i really hope so, it's always fun to see some new gadgets and every Predator comes with different toys.

I wonder if Predator's arm computer can connect to Facebook and Twitter. Predators strike me as the sort who'd happily post pictures of their hunt online.

I got my fingers crossed for full body armor.

Quote from: Johnny Handsome on May 13, 2016, 12:41:57 PM
Every movie introduced some new weaponry, or at least some sort of update on existing weapons. I really think this will too and i really hope so, it's always fun to see some new gadgets and every Predator comes with different toys.

Indeed. I'd just like to specifically see a Predator sword in use. I know we've had those arm sythes and Falconer's wrist blade but I'd love to see an actual in-hand sword. I loved it in Dark Ages. I remember seeing a concept (a fan one?) of a Predator sword with the hilt constructed out of an Alien tongue. That'd be damn cool.

Maybe even see the actual speargun or a non-arm mount netgun would be cool.

I wonder how much Black will take from the sequels.

I love that sword from the comic where the Elder got his flintlock pistol from. He had this retractable sword which looked badass.

Predator was a Sci-Fi action horror film Predator 2 was the same. Predators was a straight up horror movie. The Predator sounds like it will be a Thriller-action movie with horror elements in it.

Some folks are speculating that we're going to be seeing a new sub-species... Personally, I wouldn't want this.

But I really think we're just going to see something along the lines of the first two movies-- the only thing which is perhaps going to change is the armor and the weapons. I hope that definitely is the case.

Then again, I could be reading Shane's statements too deeply..

I hope they dont do something seriously stupid like give him a bunch of guns and drones because that's the cool thing now.

Quote from: DaddyYautja on May 13, 2016, 05:56:13 PM
I hope they dont do something seriously stupid like give him a bunch of guns and drones because that's the cool thing now.

PREDATORS sort of did the drone thing.

There's no point in having a drone except for mapping the area. What kind of hunt is sending a robot do kill while you're at a safe distance. Predators would never do that.

Quote from: RakaiThwei on May 13, 2016, 05:48:58 PM
Some folks are speculating that we're going to be seeing a new sub-species... Personally, I wouldn't want this.

Don't know where they're getting that one from. I'd think if Black is aware of the franchise and reaction then general reaction to Predators would probably keep him away from that direction.

Quote from: overthere on May 13, 2016, 06:40:12 PM
There's no point in having a drone except for mapping the area. What kind of hunt is sending a robot do kill while you're at a safe distance. Predators would never do that.

Yeah, I can see them using drones just to map an area and mark the amount of prey, like if they are infiltrating some building and need to do a quick scan and estimate of how prepared they should be.

And then...

The hunt begins!

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 13, 2016, 06:46:01 PM
Don't know where they're getting that one from. I'd think if Black is aware of the franchise and reaction then general reaction to Predators would probably keep him away from that direction.

A friend of mine brought up a point that the Predator from Predator 2 could be seen as a potential sub-species from the original Predator seen in the first movie. I mean they even brought up the snake analogy quote from Stan Winston but... I don't see them like snakes in a way.

Personally, I see the Predators from the first two films, and this is including the rest of the Lost Clan-- as the same species. Like... they are the Homo Sapiens of the Predators. Just different ethnicity.

The Super Predators are the sub-species, and someone around here likened them to being Neanderthals...

I don't know, I just have this thing where I'm just trying to make sense of it all and just... keep a cautious sense of optimism here. I just don't want to see Super Predators, or Predators with six mandibles, four arms, ten eyes... horns... Whatever.

And I trust Shane will keep the original design in mind, but just build on it or do his own interpretation of it.

As far as I'm concerned they're all just different ethnicities of the same species.

I just want a movie I can be happy with. And a Predator I can accept with open arms.

Is that even possible?!  :P In all seriousness though, I'm feeling good about The Predator so far. Everything I hear just makes me more and more interested and confident in what Shane Black is doing.

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 13, 2016, 08:11:00 PM
Is that even possible?!  :P

I maybe a hard to please person but at the same time, it's very easy to please me. :D

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 13, 2016, 08:11:00 PM
I'm feeling good about The Predator so far. Everything I hear just makes me more and more interested and confident in what Shane Black is doing.

Right now, I am more of a wait and see... I'm on the fence in regards to where this movie could be going and it's impact on the overall franchises. I'm fine with it being set in the present day, that part I am okay with.

I just want to know what Predator we're getting, what it's going to look like, and most importantly... what is Shane's story he has in mind, and if he plans on expanding Predator culture, what those expansions are. That's what I want to know the most, and I hope they are something... agreeable for me as a fan of the Predator.

I know I've been... pessimistic in regards to recent new releases BUT believe it or not.. I want to be optimistic about this film but I'm keeping my distance... for now. If that's at all reasonable.

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 13, 2016, 07:57:09 PM
As far as I'm concerned they're all just different ethnicities of the same species.

That is what Stan winston said about the p2 preds.

Quote from: RakaiThwei on May 13, 2016, 08:16:54 PM
I just want to know what Predator we're getting, what it's going to look like, and most importantly... what is Shane's story he has in mind, and if he plans on expanding Predator culture, what those expansions are. That's what I want to know the most, and I hope they are something... agreeable for me as a fan of the Predator.

So basically you want to know the entire movie?

Quote from: overthere on May 13, 2016, 08:41:11 PM
So basically you want to know the entire movie?

A synopsis would be good for a start.

Quote from: RakaiThwei on May 13, 2016, 06:36:53 PM

Quote from: DaddyYautja on May 13, 2016, 05:56:13 PM
I hope they dont do something seriously stupid like give him a bunch of guns and drones because that's the cool thing now.

PREDATORS sort of did the drone thing.

His name was Falconer, he was imitating a falconer.

Im talking more about little helicopter things flying around and shooting.  I can see the plasma caster lift and start flying around.

Quote from: overthere on May 13, 2016, 06:40:12 PM
There's no point in having a drone except for mapping the area. What kind of hunt is sending a robot do kill while you're at a safe distance. Predators would never do that.

A Pred would never shoot from a safe position? That's pretty much what they have done from the start.

And it could also be a scene where he taking care of a huge group so he could get his trophy.

Quote from: DaddyYautja on May 14, 2016, 12:14:35 AM
A Pred would never shoot from a safe position? That's pretty much what they have done from the start.

And it could also be a scene where he taking care of a huge group so he could get his trophy.

Yea he shoots from a relatively safe position, but he's there at the location. He could send a drone and never leave the ship, where's the fun in that?

Same thing with getting the trophy over a huge group. If he can't claim it on his own, he doesn't deserve it.

The Predator franchise never really had the "one-two punch" equivalent that the Alien franchise got with Ridley and Cameron.  If it had, maybe the universe its set in would've expanded the same way. Hopefully The Predator gets that moving along.

The falcoln was never shown as anything other than a tracking device. Considering the Predators already have an unfair advantage over their prey I don't see it as being any more unfair than the other tech they have. An actual drone that goes out shooting - I do think that would be too far and against the spirit of the Predators.

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I think it's likely we'll see Legacy Effects come on to do The Predator. Shane worked with them on Iron Man 3 and they were also formed from Stan Winston Studios after his death.

Ahhh speculationg. Definitelly my favorite part.

For updated Predator I`d like to see something like Borg Predator from P2. He had cool, more hi tech armor. Also some time ago while browsing through google I found this mask based on terminator:

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.moviecitizens.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2012%2F12%2Fterminator-predator-helmet-1.jpg&hash=6e46fb027f63a578b5dd03715ac33aa46ab0cbb8)

What I wouldn`t want to see is yet another variation on P1/2 mask.

If you look at Predator and Predator 2 then the pred has gotten different stuff like the net and the spear,
and everybody was ok with it because, offcourse this hunter will have an arsenal.
The question is how will you bring it to the big screen, having plasma cannisters with tracking/homing plasma bolts? NO!!
Shooting darts from his arm or helmet or kneecaps, yes! why? because its more hunter like and more challenging for a hunter.
Looking at the Predators movie, you see Tracker landing after the jump and you can see his helmet weighs a ton because of his head movement going all the way down, that looks so dumb.
Looking at Wolf from AVP:R, then yes he looks awesome, but his equipement like that power glove shit,NO!!!!
And Iron Man 3? that movie sucked.

So Mr.Black im having a doubt..............................dont f**k this up and dont let me hang you next to Mr. Anderson.

I just want something that is keeping the designs of the first two films in mind, not really using, and as much as I love them, the AVP films, or even Rodriguez's umm... entry... PREDATORS as part of the design. I don't want to see a Predator with over sized mandibles, an over-exaggerated skull structure, or dual toned dreadlocks.

What I, as a fan would want is definitely a traditional Predator but not necessarily a remake of the original creature, or the creature seen in Predator 2, but something... along the lines of what we saw in the Lost Clan in Predator 2. There were so many designs which were radically unique but not too deviating from the original, which is where I feel the Super Predators failed.

I wouldn't mind seeing a Predator with a different skin tone, or skin pattern. We've seen Predators with yellow and black skin patterns, we've seen them with pale skin but red and brown tones. In the case of the Lost clans, there were LOTS of skin pattern designs... I'm all for skin pattern designs.

What I DON'T want is another sub-species, like the Super Predators, or a Predator with more than four mandibles, or more than two arms or two legs. The Super Predators and that... four armed abomination from the sequel comics deviated too far from the original design, and were completely unnecessary.

This movie will make or break the franchise for me.

Just have VanDamme do it. 

I just want them to get the shape of the Predator head/mandibles correct again.

Quote from: Master on May 14, 2016, 12:09:29 PM
Ahhh speculationg. Definitelly my favorite part.

For updated Predator I`d like to see something like Borg Predator from P2. He had cool, more hi tech armor. Also some time ago while browsing through google I found this mask based on terminator:

http://www.moviecitizens.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/terminator-predator-helmet-1.jpg

What I wouldn`t want to see is yet another variation on P1/2 mask.

Yes! I don't want to see another slight take on Classic. It's boring now. I'd like to see something new like that too.

Quote from: ace3g on May 15, 2016, 03:20:00 AM
I just want them to get the shape of the Predator head/mandibles correct again.

This ^

Every pred face in predator and predator 2 was great and unique , everything since has been sub-par IMO.

I just love everything about this quote:

Ultimately it's not about design to me, it's about the story you want to tell. There are people who are always going to agonize over Iron Man, what color his suit is. Maybe this weapon does a new thing, but if the story is not good I don't give a sh*t what color the suit is.

Shane Black gets it. He's not going to make the mistake AvP-R made where they focused everything on the design and portrayal of the Predator and didn't give a shit about writing a compelling story or having good characters. If all you get right are the creatures then your movie sucks. I am seriously getting excited for this film.

Quote from: Infected on May 14, 2016, 03:30:31 PM

So Mr.Black im having a doubt..............................dont f**k this up and dont let me hang you next to Mr. Anderson.

:D   Exactly.

Quote from: marrerom on May 15, 2016, 01:15:51 PM
I just love everything about this quote:

Ultimately it's not about design to me, it's about the story you want to tell. There are people who are always going to agonize over Iron Man, what color his suit is. Maybe this weapon does a new thing, but if the story is not good I don't give a sh*t what color the suit is.

Shane Black gets it. He's not going to make the mistake AvP-R made where they focused everything on the design and portrayal of the Predator and didn't give a shit about writing a compelling story or having good characters. If all you get right are the creatures then your movie sucks. I am seriously getting excited for this film.

Totally, but I'll add that works both ways, the best srtory couldn't make up for a crappy design for the predator.
A good story being the hard part and making a decent look for the predator the easy part.

The Rock.

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 15, 2016, 06:04:53 AM
Yes! I don't want to see another slight take on Classic. It's boring now. I'd like to see something new like that too.

Are you talking about as far as the bio-helmet is concerned or the actual face underneath the mask?

All of it.

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 16, 2016, 05:22:30 AM
All of it.

[Cringes] Yeeeaah... I just... only want the armor updated. Not so much the original concept that Stan did..

I mean... as long as they don't deviate from the core concept.. fine.. kind of like how elements of the original Godzilla is seen in most incarnations afterwards, barring Zilla, then they can do that but I don't want something which is unrecognizable or exaggerated like the Super Predators. Again, I'm all for different markings, more pronounced ridges, and all that but... I don't want things taken TOO far.

Maybe not all of it but I definitely don't want to see a repeat of the mask (especially the mask), armour and facial style/markings. I wouldn't be against the kind of evolution that happened between Predator and Predator 2 but I definitely don't want to see another reattempt at the Classic. Scar and Crucified/Classic are enough for me.

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 16, 2016, 06:05:58 AM
Scar and Crucified/Classic are enough for me.

Scar was an attempt at the original design?

Crucified, definitely for sure.. which... felt shoe-horned in for fan appeal.

Scar's mask was blatantly inspired by Classic. Not a carbon copy but obvious enough. Yeah, Crucified was done as a callback to the original for fan appeal, no doubt about that but shoe-horned in? Nah but I'm not looking to start a Predators argument in this thread please.

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 16, 2016, 06:16:27 AM
Scar's mask was blatantly inspired by Classic. Not a carbon copy but obvious enough. Yeah, Crucified was done as a callback to the original for fan appeal, no doubt about that but shoe-horned in? Nah but I'm not looking to start a Predators argument in this thread please.

I'm not intending to start an argument... If anything I want this film to make me forget about PREDATORS and feel good about the franchise again. I want to keep on being a fan forever if I can help it. Like I said, this movie will make or break it for me.

I want to trust Shane in that he's knowing what to do since he's really holding the first film in reverence... Not so sure what his opinion about the afterward films are concerned. His statements seem to go back and forth.

Predator 2 opened up a world of inventive designs for the Predator's face. There's a lot of room for movement and I'm cool with seeing different colours, teeth, spikes, etc.

Quote from: SiL on May 16, 2016, 06:23:21 AM
Predator 2 opened up a world of inventive designs for the Predator's face. There's a lot of room for movement and I'm cool with seeing different colours, teeth, spikes, etc.

I really liked the Predators in Predator 2, the differences in the shapes of the heads and the markings were enough to make each Hunter look different from the other but kept the basic idea with the proportions and appeal. That's... what I want kept in mind for whatever design we get. Predator 2 showed a lot of examples, which I think are great examples and ideas to use for inspiration or resource.

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 16, 2016, 06:05:58 AM
Maybe not all of it but I definitely don't want to see a repeat of the mask (especially the mask), armour and facial style/markings. I wouldn't be against the kind of evolution that happened between Predator and Predator 2 but I definitely don't want to see another reattempt at the Classic. Scar and Crucified/Classic are enough for me.

Yeah. That's exactly what I want to be changed. Go P2 route and give us something different (with proper proportions and in similar style as original two)

Quote from: Master on May 16, 2016, 06:59:32 AM
Yeah. That's exactly what I want to be changed. Go P2 route and give us something different (with proper proportions and in similar style as original two)

THAT'S what I wanted to say! God, why do I have... such difficulty with my words? UGH! Thank you though!

"In 'The Predator' we're doing a lot of upgrades to what you would consider to be the traditional Predator technology and look"

Could end up cool or lame.Coin is in the air.

Any one on here know the concept artist , Luca Nemolato.  Imdb shows he's the concept artist for The Predator. Looks like he's done a lot of movies.

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Nothing on his various pages. A couple of pieces of creatures featuring mandibles though. I'll dropped him a message to ask if there's any truth in that.

That's all that I want... Respect for the original design. Make it your own but don't disregard it, try to make it obsolete or make foolish choices just for the sake of change.

Would love to see the Lost Predator (Battle Armor, anyone?) from P2 or something similar. And we have to see a new weapon/armor ability. Make it smart though, not just because something new is exciting.

What weapons do we want to see a return to and what needs to be left in the dust? Personally, I want to see the smart disc return in a less corny display. I love the way it bounces off walls in AvP2!

Quote from: PRJ_since1990 on May 21, 2016, 12:37:59 AM
That's all that I want... Respect for the original design. Make it your own but don't disregard it, try to make it obsolete or make foolish choices just for the sake of change.

Would love to see the Lost Predator (Battle Armor, anyone?) from P2 or something similar. And we have to see a new weapon/armor ability. Make it smart though, not just because something new is exciting.

What weapons do we want to see a return to and what needs to be left in the dust? Personally, I want to see the smart disc return in a less corny display. I love the way it bounces off walls in AvP2!

I dont like the new weapons design seen after p2
I want the p2 disc

I do prefer that version of the Disc for a hunt.

While the other one is good for clearing up an infestation and such in AVPR, it was a bit over the top

The shuriken? I quite liked it. However, I'd be interested in seeing a return to the disk. I'd love to see an actual Predator rifle on screen too.

Quote from: RakaiThwei on May 16, 2016, 06:09:40 AM

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 16, 2016, 06:05:58 AM
Scar and Crucified/Classic are enough for me.

Scar was an attempt at the original design?

Crucified, definitely for sure.. which... felt shoe-horned in for fan appeal.

And then they decapitated him.... :-\

Crucified in Predators was the greatest thing in the movie. It didn't feel shoe horned at all to me. I would have preferred he won the fight and gave them a ride back to Earth.
Imagine he drops them off, then gets a bit further away from them and goes hunting.

A lot of the problem I had with crucified and the AvP predators is that they just don't look good to me. All the preds in the first 2 films looked great to me, but every time I see them in the other films I can only see the effect.  I think its partially the way the mandibles rest, close, and open.

Whatever it is, for some reason its stands out to me.

I can remember cheering when Crucified got his gauntlet and mask back...I was half in the bag on opening night for Predators but still it was great to see that scene

Predator 2 had cartoonish eyes. Especially in the scene where he says "motherf**ker". I hate that scene.

Quote from: overthere on Jun 01, 2016, 04:10:21 PM
Predator 2 had cartoonish eyes. Especially in the scene where he says "motherf**ker". I hate that scene.

This it true, still he and his ship-mates look better than anything since lol

Quote from: overthere on Jun 01, 2016, 04:10:21 PM
Predator 2 had cartoonish eyes. Especially in the scene where he says "motherf**ker". I hate that scene.

I love this scene.The eyes looks great in it.First he's knocked out so he seems to be exhausted, and when
he says motherf***r his eyes reflect his hatred.

Quote from: 426Buddy on Jun 01, 2016, 03:29:29 PM
A lot of the problem I had with crucified and the AvP predators is that they just don't look good to me. All the preds in the first 2 films looked great to me, but every time I see them in the other films I can only see the effect.  I think its partially the way the mandibles rest, close, and open.

Whatever it is, for some reason its stands out to me.

The AvP Predators I agree with you on. It's the lack of moisture on the skin - it just makes them look too fake. Crucified, I liked. I didn't have a problem with any of the designs from Predators. I never had the same issue with KNBs work.

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jun 01, 2016, 08:25:33 PM

Quote from: 426Buddy on Jun 01, 2016, 03:29:29 PM
A lot of the problem I had with crucified and the AvP predators is that they just don't look good to me. All the preds in the first 2 films looked great to me, but every time I see them in the other films I can only see the effect.  I think its partially the way the mandibles rest, close, and open.

Whatever it is, for some reason its stands out to me.

The AvP Predators I agree with you on. It's the lack of moisture on the skin - it just makes them look too fake. Crucified, I liked. I didn't have a problem with any of the designs from Predators. I never had the same issue with KNBs work.

I agree that KNB did far better work on Predators than AMD on AvP.

I think largely it came down to the inexperience of the guys wearing the suits and Crucifieds mandible design/operation.

Quote from: 426Buddy on Jun 01, 2016, 08:59:39 PM

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jun 01, 2016, 08:25:33 PM

Quote from: 426Buddy on Jun 01, 2016, 03:29:29 PM
A lot of the problem I had with crucified and the AvP predators is that they just don't look good to me. All the preds in the first 2 films looked great to me, but every time I see them in the other films I can only see the effect.  I think its partially the way the mandibles rest, close, and open.

Whatever it is, for some reason its stands out to me.

The AvP Predators I agree with you on. It's the lack of moisture on the skin - it just makes them look too fake. Crucified, I liked. I didn't have a problem with any of the designs from Predators. I never had the same issue with KNBs work.

I agree that KNB did far better work on Predators than AMD on AvP.

I think largely it came down to the inexperience of the guys wearing the suits and Crucifieds mandible design/operation.

I guess I'm in the minority of actually liking the AvP suits. However, I do see why people don't like the acting (of the predators that is). AMD did their best work on A3 IMO.

Quote from: PRJ_since1990 on Jun 02, 2016, 12:50:29 AM
I guess I'm in the minority of actually liking the AvP suits.

You're not alone, friend... You're not alone. I like them too.

Quote from: RakaiThwei on Jun 02, 2016, 01:14:15 AM

Quote from: PRJ_since1990 on Jun 02, 2016, 12:50:29 AM
I guess I'm in the minority of actually liking the AvP suits.

You're not alone, friend... You're not alone. I like them too.

Celtic is best Predator

Quote from: PVTDukeMorrison on Jun 02, 2016, 01:29:35 AM
Celtic is best Predator

Personally... I liked them all.

The predator designs were probably the best thing about that movie

You guys mean ADI, right?  :P

I think Wolf was great but facially it still had the same issues for me - they just looked too fake. That said, I loved Ian Whyte as the Predators in both of the AvPs, more so in AvPR though.

ADI lol right, why did I type AMD?  :P

The AVP predators were far too bulky for my taste. They looked like a man in a suit.

I understand Anderson's design mentality for them but I do think they looked off because of that extra bulk and armour. I think the McFarlane's figures did a great job of slimming them down. The AvPR suit was spot on for the figure though.

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jun 04, 2016, 07:48:55 AM
I understand Anderson's design mentality for them but I do think they looked off because of that extra bulk and armour. I think the McFarlane's figures did a great job of slimming them down. The AvPR suit was spot on for the figure though.

They looked like NFL linebackers.

Predators should be built more like muscular basketball players

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 13, 2016, 08:14:33 AM
Welcome to the site, Robert. Are there any particular old designs you think would be good to revisit?

I don't think Shane would go back to the development designs that we created before Stan's involvement but for curiosities sake you can find them here at the bottom of this page. http://www.robertshortfx.com/features.html

Thanks for sharing those, Robert! I agree - I'm not sure they'd go back to the earlier designs as I think they're a little too departed from what the Predator became but it's nice to finally see some better quality versions of these!

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.robertshortfx.com%2Fuploads%2F2%2F9%2F8%2F7%2F29879635%2F4320290.jpg%3F604&hash=a59c3e1800684d94b7036f1aa2a95095bc1ae89d)
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Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jun 07, 2016, 08:59:49 AM
Thanks for sharing those, Robert! I agree - I'm not sure they'd go back to the earlier designs as I think they're a little too departed from what the Predator became but it's nice to finally see some better quality versions of these!

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.robertshortfx.com%2Fuploads%2F2%2F9%2F8%2F7%2F29879635%2F4320290.jpg%3F604&hash=a59c3e1800684d94b7036f1aa2a95095bc1ae89d)
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http://www.robertshortfx.com/uploads/2/9/8/7/29879635/5437757.jpg?484

Those look f**king amazing!

Wouldn't mind a cut down looking Predator like that. Minus the face difference of course!


Honestly, the reason the AVP Predators failed wasn't by intent. Paul Anderson's concept art very clearly depicts the Predators as their slender shape, but the added armor just made the actors look more stout. Too much bulk in the design. On top of that the usage of slow motion and some really poor camera, and editing choices only exacerbated the problem.

Aside balloon bodies and weird eyes I didn't have a problem with AvP predators. I actually like their masks more than City Hunter's, even though CH is my favorite character. I think the difference between various predators' faces is no problem, just like humans with different facial structures except they are not humans :)

Just bring back one of the Lost Predators and that's it. That way the creature will look similar to what we love already. That's what I would do, besides I wouldn't want "revolutionary" designs a la Predators.

I've always thought the McFarlane AvP figures looked great. A very slimmed down take on the AvP Predators.