New interview about the film with John Davis
https://twitter.com/colliderfrosty/status/1420137929821679616
Love this part from the article.
Quote"It actually has more akin to The Revenant than it does any film in the Predator canon. You'll know what I mean once you see it," promised Fox, though Davis declined to reveal the specific time period. "You can use your imagination. It is... early."
There is this as well.
QuoteIt was conceived as an R-rated movie. It could easily end up PG-13. I guess I'm going to find out what it has to be or what it is when it's all cut together."
YT link from article
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Davis was wise enough to acknowledge how perfect the original Predator movie is, as he even said "it's going to be, I believe, the second best -- or the first... or it may be equal to the first one. Right? I feel like the first one was a wonderful, interesting movie and I know what worked about it. I feel like we kind of never got back there again. We ended up in different places. I think this is a worthy complement to the first one. It's going to be as good."
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Quote"It actually has more akin to The Revenant than it does any film in the Predator canon. You'll know what I mean once you see it," promised Fox, though Davis declined to reveal the specific time period. "You can use your imagination. It is... early."
This sounds excellent.
QuoteIt was conceived as an R-rated movie. It could easily end up PG-13. I guess I'm going to find out what it has to be or what it is when it's all cut together."
This sounds less so.
I could see an Alien movie hitting a hard PG-13 (cut the swearing from Aliens and you're basically there) but how do you even hit "maybe" PG-13 with a Predator movie? No skinning, no skull ripping, no shoulder cannons blowing people open, no limb removals. It's everything people hated about AvP all over again.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jul 27, 2021, 10:22:53 PM
QuoteIt was conceived as an R-rated movie. It could easily end up PG-13. I guess I'm going to find out what it has to be or what it is when it's all cut together."
This sounds less so.
It's too early to tell, but this could suck ass.
For the rest, it's all promotion starting, so he's going to say it's great etc etc...
And first time a pred comes to earth huh ? So that never was a t-rex skull in the predator 2 ship ?
Even the possibility of a PG-13... yikes.
I want to know why is it even needed that this be the first time a Predator has visited Earth? One of the few things I actually enjoyed about The Predator were its nods to AVP. Now were going to sever this franchise from that one too? Le sigh...
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Jul 27, 2021, 10:33:33 PM
So that never was a t-rex skull in the predator 2 ship ?
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I'm gonna say no.
Are the characters going to speak english? or will there be subtitles?
Possibly PG-13? Not good. The mere mention of it makes me nauseous.
Titled "Skull", I don't care for that. I want Predator in the title. Predator: Skulls, sounds best to me.
A PG-13 rating will mean less or very minimal gore, off camera death executions. I mean if done well it could be decent enough. Cloverfield Lane had a off screen headshot. What are the chances of there being 2 versions of this film, a PG-13 Cut, a Rated-R cut?
For the record
"I feel like the first one was a wonderful, interesting movie and I know what worked about it."
Nah man you do not.
That's not a T Rex skull in the Predator 2 ship.
I find it strange that they don't know the rating before they start filming. Doesn't anyone read the final script?
And if they're already halfway through shooting the movie, shouldn't they know by now about any R-Rated scenes that might have been filmed?
Please let skulls be rated r it was the only thing that sounded good about the film.With the plot and its going straight to hulu
The producer mentions The Revenant. Does this confirm and Bear, Bigfoot, or Wendigo creature played by Dane Diliegro?
When a movie repeats itself again spiritually....it could be really great. Kind of like Terminator 2.
lol he completely dodged the question about the films secrecy. it was 100% due to the og writers lawsuit ;D anyways, 3/4th of the film is already done so far, so I guess revisiting the first predator offered them a way to get this out by next year.
Eh, given that there's no way any of the characters in the movie itself can know that this is supposedly the first time a Predator has ever hunted on Earth I'm just going to ignore that apparent detail, because yeah I don't like it either. Seems stupid to have them lose their first ever hunt here.
And yeah, half-wiping some of these movies from the canon of some of the others is also just kinda stupid. But reading the Collider article, there are also no actual quotes from anyone saying that it's going to be the "first" Predator hunt on Earth, so hopefully that's just some incorrect interpretation from the writer there.
Either way, gonna ignore it because I don't think that's a question that should ever definitively be answered.
Quote from: Kailem on Jul 28, 2021, 12:40:31 AM
Eh, given that there's no way any of the characters in the movie itself can know that this is supposedly the first time a Predator has ever hunted on Earth I'm just going to ignore that apparent detail, because yeah I don't like it either. Seems stupid to have them lose their first ever hunt here.
And yeah, half-wiping some of these movies from the canon of some of the others is also just kinda stupid. But reading the Collider article, there are also no actual quotes from anyone saying that it's going to be the "first" Predator hunt on Earth, so hopefully that's just some incorrect interpretation from the writer there.
Either way, gonna ignore it because I don't think that's a question that should ever definitively be answered.
Davis says it in the video interview. Hopefully this is just another case of an overly excited producer.
Yeah, I'm not holding too much stock into it...
yet.Quote from: TomT on Jul 27, 2021, 10:21:51 PM
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Davis was wise enough to acknowledge how perfect the original Predator movie is, as he even said "it's going to be, I believe, the second best -- or the first... or it may be equal to the first one. Right? I feel like the first one was a wonderful, interesting movie and I know what worked about it. I feel like we kind of never got back there again. We ended up in different places. I think this is a worthy complement to the first one. It's going to be as good."
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Okay, this made me laugh. He says this everytime a new film comes out.
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But what else is he going to say, really.
At least it came true for
Predator 2! ;D
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Quote from: Clubroot on Jul 28, 2021, 12:02:31 AM
The producer mentions The Revenant. Does this confirm and Bear, Bigfoot, or Wendigo creature played by Dane Diliegro?
Bear, Bigfoot, Wendigo CONFIRMED!!! ;D
Quote from: Clubroot on Jul 28, 2021, 12:22:14 AM
lol he completely dodged the question about the films secrecy. it was 100% due to the og writers lawsuit ;D anyways, 3/4th of the film is already done so far, so I guess revisiting the first predator offered them a way to get this out by next year.
Actually, we have proof that Skull(s) casting began in January 2020, but was then delayed a year due to the pandemic. So since it was a secret in 2020, we have no reason to believe the secrecy reasoning in 2021 *has changed.
*grammar edit
Quote from: Clubroot on Jul 28, 2021, 12:22:14 AM
lol he completely dodged the question about the films secrecy. it was 100% due to the og writers lawsuit ;D anyways, 3/4th of the film is already done so far, so I guess revisiting the first predator offered them a way to get this out by next year.
The director wanted to hide the fact it was a Predator film as long as possible - only revealing it's a Predator movie on release. The reveal got spoiled.
I guess they couldn't Cloverfield this one.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Jul 28, 2021, 02:00:03 AM
Bear, Bigfoot, Wendigo CONFIRMED!!! ;D
There's actually a recent bad horror about Bigfoot vs Wendigo(s).
Maybe this time it'll be Predator Vs Bigfoot? ;D
The big twist at the end might be Kee and the Predator vs Bear, Bigfoot, Wendigo ;D ;D ;D Tag Battle Fight!
So the film is called "Skull" right? I can dig it. Someone read my mind about putting The Misfits Skulls track to Predator film clips lol
Well if he said if its anything like The Revenant, then not only the strong dark tone of the film but also the hard R rating is very possible, since I find it hard for them to land on a PG13 by bad luck. AVP was intentionally done PG13, but the producers here basically says "maybe, but we don't know lol". There is still hope for me.
As for the Predator's first journey there, yeah, uhhh, seems like the article's writer on that part as there is no quote to back that statement up. Not to mention that isn't said that Predators have been visiting Earth for at least the past 800 years? Someone over there in production gotta bring that up to their attention just to be sure.
It will be woke af feminism with no mythic quality which made the first one work.
I wish that Davis had just kept his mouth shut. 😅 We hear the same crap before every release.
Possible PG-13... Given the film is titled Skulls I'm expecting to see lots of skull/spine gore. I can see this being chopped to pieces by Disney Editors.
His words suggest that they're making the film the way they want to without worrying about hitting a rating. Hopefully that's true. I don't see the point in sanitizing for a PG-13 if you're dumping it onto a streaming service anyway. With theatrical releases, it makes more sense.
As for the "first" Predator visit, I'm curious if and how they'll actually express that it's the first visit in the film. I don't really know how they'd establish that without full-on Predator dialogue, so I don't put much stock in that comment yet.
Quote from: Kailem on Jul 28, 2021, 12:40:31 AM
Eh, given that there's no way any of the characters in the movie itself can know that this is supposedly the first time a Predator has ever hunted on Earth I'm just going to ignore that apparent detail, because yeah I don't like it either. Seems stupid to have them lose their first ever hunt here.
Yeeaahhh. Bias obviously speaking here - as much as I can sometimes enjoy the first one, I don't care about the AvP's being disregarded. But I just do not like the idea that this is the first Predator hunt on the planet. It's too soon for my liking. It erases some really awesome stuff from the Expanded Universe and I just don't want that. That said, like you, I'm not too sure on how they could put that across in the film so maybe we're safe?
That rating comment though...I'm worried there. It's good to know it's conceived as an R and they've not set out to neuter it from the start, but if they cut its throat in the edit for the PG-13...might be one of those moments where I get pushed over the edge. :laugh:
The fact they even mentioned it was a possibility is a bit disconcerting. If it's R, it should be R. It shouldn't be possible to get it down to PG-13 without noticing unless you're aiming for a really weak R to begin with.
The first visit?,it will erase a lot of DH comics material.
Every time I hear some movie producer / writer / director talk about how a sequel needs to "recapture the essence" of what made the original movie so good, you just know you're going to get a rip-off / re-boot made with inferior actors and a much lower budget. And, of course, it will in no way "recapture" anything.
As long as it doesn't erase what matters the most, meaning the first two films, I couldn't care less about the rest of the expanded universe.
I'll NEVER understand this "erased" mentality.
Nothing is erased...it's all still there.
You can still watch it or read it or play it...it doesn't matter.
Quote from: Sabres21768 on Jul 28, 2021, 10:17:34 AM
I'll NEVER understand this "erased" mentality.
Nothing is erased...it's all still there.
You can still watch it or read it or play it...it doesn't matter.
Just erase The Predator from existence. I think most would be happy with that. 😏
Quote from: Baron Von Marlon on Jul 28, 2021, 02:20:57 AM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Jul 28, 2021, 02:00:03 AM
Bear, Bigfoot, Wendigo CONFIRMED!!! ;D
There's actually a recent bad horror about Bigfoot vs Wendigo(s).
Maybe this time it'll be Predator Vs Bigfoot? ;D
That's the dream. Well, sort of. :D
I like it as '
the reason' the Predator is on Earth, not to hunt the Comanche Natives but the Sasquatch / Wendigo - backed by legit Native American lore and accounts. But the last thing I want is the film to be a Freddy versus Jason, no holds barred, rumble in the jungle. I'd love it to flavor the story, not be the main course.
Predators coming to hunt the big brown bear works too, ala Predator: Primal.
Quote from: Clubroot on Jul 28, 2021, 03:25:51 AM
So the film is called "Skull" right? I can dig it. Someone read my mind about putting The Misfits Skulls track to Predator film clips lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMCQeVd4esI
Combining the audio being a bit shaky at the "Skull" title reveal, with Davis calling one film "Predator versus Alien", let's just say I won't be personally shocked if the film is still titled "Skulls" plural. ;D
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jul 28, 2021, 07:23:12 AM
That rating comment though...I'm worried there. It's good to know it's conceived as an R and they've not set out to neuter it from the start, but if they cut its throat in the edit for the PG-13...might be one of those moments where I get pushed over the edge. :laugh:
Yeah, being conceived as an R, but Davis conceding "
You know, I guess we're going to find out what it has to be" is all very switching-from-Hulu-to-Disney+ kinds of concerning.
"Dan came to me with a writer and an idea"
This I love. I adore it. This gives me the hope upon hope. This feels like James Gunn, already a lover of the comic, pitching "Guardians of the Galaxy". A single pitch. A single vision. Most likely a passionate vision. And only one writer!!!
This all makes me believe Dan Trachtenberg must be a Predator fan, and we have a good chance he understands the appeal of the character, what works and what doesn't, from everything in regards to story and pacing, to casting and creature design (I'm looking at you ADI - Reign them in Dan!)
There are no guarantees, I get it, even from fans of the material, but Dan is definitely the source of all my optimism!
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Jul 28, 2021, 12:44:24 PM
Combining the audio being a bit shaky at the "Skull" title reveal, with Davis calling one film "Predator versus Alien", let's just say I won't be personally shocked if the film is still titled "Skulls" plural. ;D
I'm feeling the same there. I think it's still going to be Skulls. Skull just sounds weird.
Really really made my day when I seen "it has more in common with the revenant than other predator canon" as I've always believed since I watched the revenant that it was a style a good predator film could go down and adopt. You can incorporate beautiful shots that really make the whole thing just feel real and it lends authenticity imo. Something the franchise is desperately lacking currently.
Even if this is intended to be the first hunt in the minds of the writer and director, I can't imagine that's going to be presented definitively in the movie itself. It would just be a weird point to insist on, and not add anything to the story that I can envision. As such, if it's left open we can just disregard that or find alternative interpretations. Just look at the Bishop II / Michael Bishop debate!
Anyway, is it possible they just mean it's the first hunt undertaken by this particular predator? That would provide a bit more leeway insofar as getting its arse handed to it in the end.
So we've been hearing a lot about the human characters, isn't it funny how a movie based on the Alien (Predator) is practically nonexistent and isn't even given a proper introduction like Ke? They could be keeping the Predator as a mystery which I'm somewhat okay with but alittle info about that character would be nice.
Idk how to feel about any of this but it just sounds and feels like another The Predator similar to Shane Blacks film. I could be wrong and I'm just hoping the trailer proves me wrong, but it just feels like waist high full of horrible source material - completely disrespecting the source material already layed out to be followed - and just feels like a cash grab from a already screwed over fan. Fingers crossed I'm wrong which I really hope for.
How exactly does it sound like a cash grab? If anything it's the absolute opposite of that because it's already taking risks.
No I think this is a production team that know things have got to change and new and fresh ideas are needed.
I hate it when people bring up the extended universe, I.e comics etc. They are not official canon. Predator is a film series before anything. Always has and always will be. The films are free to do their own thing as long as it's good and brings something new to the series.
Which I do believe skulls will deliver on..
Something crossed my mind, what if this isn't the first time a Predator has ever been to Earth as much as it's the first time a specific Predator has been to Earth? And who would be notable? The original Jungle Hunter. This is the origin story, this is the first time he's been to Earth. In this case we're looking at a younger Jungle Hunter who can use new weapons, armor, and be a bit shorter and look a bit different because he hasn't grown into 87 yet. So this hunt is his origin story.
Another thought is that this is a younger Greyback even before he got the pistol. So maybe we see in this his tusk get smashed in or be a callback to "take it". Maybe that's something Kee says to him and he translates it for Harrigan's sake but point being is that it's something he picks up early on in life. If this is an origin story we see how maybe the honor code is formed. Notice how he doesn't have a helmet. I have this theory that this is why. Maybe Kee beats him when he's younger but she doesn't take his head, but Greyback knows he has to give her something since she won. So he gives her his mask as a metaphorical skull.
That'd also be a weird but interesting way to explain why Jungle Hunter, Elder, and the Classic share the same armor design. Maybe they all followed this honor code and the idea is to help emulate Greyback's lesson he learned while on Earth. So it's an origin for how the Predator operates maybe not as a hunter but as a code of ethics. And that would in turn differentiate between them and the supers and why Assassin was so brazen during the respective films. They don't follow those codes. Maybe this isn't the first time they've been here but it's the first time they're being Predators here. This is how they take on the more honorable traits.
I'm not saying new ideas are bad or bringing something we haven't seen before to the franchise, I mean Predator Hunting Grounds in my opinion felt canonically correct following a already set path from both Predator 1, 2, 3 and even Shane Blacks movie.
I'm just saying what's been written so far has me on edge and for once I think the Predator needs a win here. If I where to have written this, I'd have the Predator kill off Kees Brother and his hunting party, this will set a life long goal for Kee to seek revenge for her brother. There she will train for years, goes through trials and tribulations as we see her grow and the determination to kill her brothers killer. However it would be for not for when the Predator does come back to Earth it shows that it never mattered in the end.
Even though Predator is mortal, he is stronger then a average human even a women wishing to be a warrior (if you think about it she does become a warrior when she dies like one honorably). These creatures are the equivalent to Spartans with being born ready for battle and to kill. Idk just holding out for some better news I guess.
Quote from: RidgeTop on Jul 28, 2021, 01:17:29 AM
Quote from: Kailem on Jul 28, 2021, 12:40:31 AM
Eh, given that there's no way any of the characters in the movie itself can know that this is supposedly the first time a Predator has ever hunted on Earth I'm just going to ignore that apparent detail, because yeah I don't like it either. Seems stupid to have them lose their first ever hunt here.
And yeah, half-wiping some of these movies from the canon of some of the others is also just kinda stupid. But reading the Collider article, there are also no actual quotes from anyone saying that it's going to be the "first" Predator hunt on Earth, so hopefully that's just some incorrect interpretation from the writer there.
Either way, gonna ignore it because I don't think that's a question that should ever definitively be answered.
Davis says it in the video interview. Hopefully this is just another case of an overly excited producer.
DAVIIIIIS!!
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Just thinking about PG13 in a Predator movie it's already a tragedy. If they're considering it means Disney has already delivered its message, and they'll hold onto that information as long as they can, knowing it won't be well accepted by fans.
It's going to be a smaller, lower-budget movie, released straight to streaming, so let the guys have more freedom with violence, for God's sake.
No need to panic. That happend after avp came out and left a bad taste in my mouth.
What about the story of a young Predator in love next ;D
IF what they said about this film being the first Hunt ever true, then it will really clash with the Fox canon approved game Predator Hunting Grounds, where we get Predator trophies that show they been hunting on Earth for centuries. The oldest trophy in the game is an broken Egyptian khopesh sword, and that civilization has been around since approximately 6,000 years ago.
Hell, didn't the producers of Predator 2 established that Predators been hunting on Earth for at least 800 years? I remember that was part of an interview somewhere, just don't remember if it was recent or not. Feels like the suits up in the offices have no clue or missed on checking on this info or something.
The best experience I've got in a theater in recent memory is the SPLIT plot twist at the end.
So bumped we were spoiled on this one... But the movie as everything I want from a Predator movie and even more on the paper, so finger crossed !
I would like to hear a AvP Galaxy Podcast covering all of this
Quote from: Mr.Turok on Jul 28, 2021, 05:32:55 PM
IF what they said about this film being the first Hunt ever true, then it will really clash with the Fox canon approved game Predator Hunting Grounds, where we get Predator trophies that show they been hunting on Earth for centuries. The oldest trophy in the game is an broken Egyptian khopesh sword, and that civilization has been around since approximately 6,000 years ago.
Hell, didn't the producers of Predator 2 established that Predators been hunting on Earth for at least 800 years? I remember that was part of an interview somewhere, just don't remember if it was recent or not. Feels like the suits up in the offices have no clue or missed on checking on this info or something.
Yeah, it kind of is a buzz kill when you think about all the cool missed opportunities of them fighting with ancient civilizations, watching humanity grow through our technological "ages". It's still early, so maybe they won't actually end up going that direction. I'm sure the whole team has good intentions for the Predator franchise with these new additions to the lore, but so did the team for The Predator....
Pg-13 and first hunt ever on earth are bad news. The second one is non existent because they won't be able to show that on screen, unless there is text wall introducing such thing at very beginning.
Quote from: Wysps on Jul 28, 2021, 06:46:41 PM
Yeah, it kind of is a buzz kill when you think about all the cool missed opportunities of them fighting with ancient civilizations, watching humanity grow through our technological "ages". It's still early, so maybe they won't actually end up going that direction. I'm sure the whole team has good intentions for the Predator franchise with these new additions to the lore, but so did the team for The Predator....
Thats also the thing right! By establishing that Predators first started hunting on Earth in the 17th century, you block any new opportunities of having stories in more diverse areas like Predators hunting Spartans, Samurai, Mongolians, warring African Tribes, and the Medjay of Egypt for examples. Its very self limiting and I hope this is brought to their attention on how this story point will severally limit future stories for the Predator series.
I recall the youtuber Fact Fiend - With Karl Smallwood doing a segment on the flintlock pistol of Predator 2/1718 and how basically this world opens up like the Assassin's Creed series in which you can go anywhere in any point in time and explore interesting stories with this and that is such a precise nail on the head on how the Predator series can expand on other than just modern day/future stories.
The film is pre-colonial so as long as we don't have an exact year we could say that the film takes place prior to the 1560's and it'd still make as much sense to have things like the Samurai Predator. I don't think any subsequent Illfonic Predator would be affected given the flavor text but stuff like the playstation blog or DLC descriptions may or may not become apocryphal.
The Hunting Grounds trophies definitely would be affected but that's more a minor point than a whole character getting removed. The only two who have anything indicating era is Samurai and Valkyrie otherwise Alpha is too far back to be relevant to this. Samurai would be towards the end of the feudal era under this but he'd still work. Cutting it a bit close but sure. Valkyrie implies that the Vikings who fought her thought she was a chance into Valhalla though if we assume some holdouts of the old Norse mistook Valkyrie for something else we could fudge it a bit.
Still, that does wipe a lot of mythology off the table in a way I thought they wouldn't given how dumb that was with Alien. But I hold out hope it's a phrasing issue given they're all called "Predator" at one point or another in development and they just hadn't settled on a marketing name yet. That it's the first time a specific Predator showed up rather than an origin story for the species.
Fun fact, Samurai didn't disappear until the Meiji restoration in the late 19th century. You could still have Predator vs Samurai even with this being the "first".
I get the broader point, I thought it was just an interesting historical anecdote.
You hope that they apply effective qualities of the original film and not makes something corny, keeping cautious optimism hope it goes well.
Quote from: SuperiorIronman on Jul 28, 2021, 11:02:05 PM
The film is pre-colonial so as long as we don't have an exact year we could say that the film takes place prior to the 1560's and it'd still make as much sense to have things like the Samurai Predator. I don't think any subsequent Illfonic Predator would be affected given the flavor text but stuff like the playstation blog or DLC descriptions may or may not become apocryphal.
The Hunting Grounds trophies definitely would be affected but that's more a minor point than a whole character getting removed. The only two who have anything indicating era is Samurai and Valkyrie otherwise Alpha is too far back to be relevant to this. Samurai would be towards the end of the feudal era under this but he'd still work. Cutting it a bit close but sure. Valkyrie implies that the Vikings who fought her thought she was a chance into Valhalla though if we assume some holdouts of the old Norse mistook Valkyrie for something else we could fudge it a bit.
You forget that with Cleopatra, if the past era based Predators are anything to go by, is an Ancient Egypt based era that canonically is not only still alive by 2025, but is the arch nemeses to Predator Hunter, Dutch Schaefer. Since there is a trophy that corresponds to these era based Predators, the broken khopesh, Viking axe, and katana, its safe to assume that the trophies are not only a nice visual item to have to customize your Predator, but it enforces what P2 established in that these Predators have been hunting on Earth for centuries. Again, the Egyptian civilization has been around for at least 6,000 years, so give or take, Cleopatra could have been active within even the Ptolemaic Kingdom in 305 BC, the last era of the Pharaohs were around, and that is still far in the past than the late 17th century.
I hope it won't just copy the first movie's structure too closely. A few nods are okay, a rehash is not. We already have that movie, it's perfect as it is.
Not only does John Davis get the title of his own movie wrong (it's SkullS, plural) he also calls his AvP movies "Predator vs Alien". Then he says that although the new movie was conceived with an R-Rating in mind, he'll decide upon it when he sees the first cut.
This was also the guy that was trying to get Sigourney Weaver to play Ellen Ripley in The Predator.
Davis, and i'm being nice about it, sounds like a complete moron.
No hope for this or any other film in the series. Not while he's around.
I'm sure he will not be the major potential problem though.
I mean he's the reason the AvP movies happened so...
Also as the producer of the movie's bad it is really his and all the other producers' faults as it's their job to put together the best productions possible. There's a reason why they're the ones who collect the Best Picture trophy; it's their film.
Quote from: Clubroot on Jul 28, 2021, 06:08:30 PM
I would like to hear a AvP Galaxy Podcast covering all of this
We already recorded a podcast earlier on where we covered a lot of it! We discussed our surprise, it being a period piece, Comanche history, the title "Skulls" and its possible marketing, and more.
Here's the link: :)
https://www.avpgalaxy.net/2020/12/09/from-the-other-side-discussing-dan-trachtenergs-predator-5-aka-skulls-avp-galaxy-podcast-119/
Planning to do a Motion Tracker on this specific piece later though. They're available on our YouTube channel. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCYb2nAnO2-eH3v7haDI71bQ
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I might start using #TrustInDan ;D
Quote from: skhellter on Jul 29, 2021, 10:41:20 AM
Not only does John Davis get the title of his own movie wrong (it's SkullS, plural) he also calls his AvP movies "Predator vs Alien". Then he says that although the new movie was conceived with an R-Rating in mind, he'll decide upon it when he sees the first cut.
This was also the guy that was trying to get Sigourney Weaver to play Ellen Ripley in The Predator.
Davis, and i'm being nice about it, sounds like a complete moron.
No hope for this or any other film in the series. Not while he's around.
An idea so stupid, it can induce a stroke.
Could Randy have made it work?
Quote from: Clubroot on Jul 29, 2021, 08:10:23 PM
@VoodooMagic
I might start using #TrustInDan ;D
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Bruh, why have I just seen this just now :o
Now im hyped
My gut feeling is that they've said some off the cuff remark because the timeline in this movie is before the first movie. More like , how can I make this movie sound cool, rather than a fact.
It's going to be difficult to replicate the original considering the characters are completely different. Unless they've got scenes in there were the Native Americans spear a predator and say " Stick around" :D
Quote from: Highland on Jul 30, 2021, 02:45:02 AMUnless they've got scenes in there were the Native Americans spear a predator and say " Stick around" :D
I love your way of thinking :laugh:
Native American men and women acting like 80's machos and bimbos.
"Anyone wants to hit the pipe with me? This stuff will make you a god damned sexual buffalo, just like me."
Something I'm hoping they mean by it's very The Revenant is that the story will basically be the third act of Predator drawn out to a feature.
I am all sorts of down for that.
Yeah, I could even see the movie being a one on one situation for most of the runtime.
Quote from: SiL on Jul 30, 2021, 08:47:18 AM
Something I'm hoping they mean by it's very The Revenant is that the story will basically be the third act of Predator drawn out to a feature.
I am all sorts of down for that.
As long as it's not 60 minutes of various close ups of tree branches and running rivers. I could dig it.
I'm not keen on it being that similar to The Revenant, no.
Quote from: SiL on Jul 30, 2021, 12:12:03 PM
I'm not keen on it being that similar to The Revenant, no.
The Revenant was OK. Far too long but looked fantastic.
Quote from: Highland on Jul 30, 2021, 12:02:01 PM
Quote from: SiL on Jul 30, 2021, 08:47:18 AM
Something I'm hoping they mean by it's very The Revenant is that the story will basically be the third act of Predator drawn out to a feature.
I am all sorts of down for that.
As long as it's not 60 minutes of various close ups of tree branches and running rivers. I could dig it.
That part I could pass on as well. I appreciate the scenery, but at some point it starts getting distracting.
Quote from: Highland on Jul 30, 2021, 12:02:01 PM
As long as it's not 60 minutes of various close ups of tree branches and running rivers. I could dig it.
.....
I'm not entirely opposed to that ;D
More Sasquatch sightings from DD ;D
*Achieve
https://i.imgur.com/3BNjefm.png
Maybe this is fro another project from DD is working at the same time as Skull?, but I do love the Bear, Bigfoot, Wendigo speculations.
Now I'm thinking of a Predator movie co-made with the BBC nature docu people.
Certainly would look amazing.
We are talking here of comparisons to a film, that got nominations and won awards. Just this in itself is reason to be excited. Predator since P2 has become stale. It's time for new eyes and new ideas and the most paramount thing that needs to change is tone.
If handled correctly, it could be a really fresh and interesting take on the franchise, and also by its very nature opens up the door for more films set in other time periods. I just hope the predator itself is handled well, I want to see intergalactic tribal predators that are ruthless not power rangers meets iron man. Know what I mean? ;D
Quote from: Youngblood90 on Jul 31, 2021, 10:26:38 AM
If handled correctly, it could be a really fresh and interesting take on the franchise, and also by its very nature opens up the door for more films set in other time periods. I just hope the predator itself is handled well, I want to see intergalactic tribal predators that are ruthless not power rangers meets iron man. Know what I mean? ;D
To me, the key to a Predator's film success will always be:
1. unique setting
2. unique prey
3. maintain the mythological and/or supernatural lens in which the Predator is viewed.
To me they hit the bullseye with a soldier in a present day jungle, and hit it again with a cop in a city in the future. And both of them maintained the supernatural "demon" prism in which the Predator is viewed (an aspect that was purposely baked into the "modern day Minotaur" creature by Jim & John Thomas.)
And now we finally have a Predator film coming that checks all three boxes again in 1. setting, 2. opponent and 3. mythological prism (you just know the Comanche is going to view the Predator as some demon, god or ghost of some sort of spirit world.)
#TrustInDan
@Voodoo Magic
Also good sound design and the music during fights
@voodoo magic.
Yeah I agree they are the three basic ingredients you said there. What I mean about tone, is credibility and making it believable. I feel for too long predator has been stuck in the past, where it just can't help itself recycling old throwback lines, which if I'm being brutally honest is utter cringe and hurts the films imo. It has to change. Predator was never a comedy film. I've said this many times over the years. The first film was a low key sci fi thriller/horror border line war film. Soldiers having outrageous toxic masculinity banter is part and parcel of the role and situation they were in. Which happens in real life. I just think the more it looks inwards and at former glory days, the more it holds the franchise back in going forward. And that's why I believe a modern gritty dark take on predator is the way forward in restoring legitimacy.
Quote from: Clubroot on Jul 31, 2021, 03:07:36 PM
@Voodoo Magic
Also good sound design and the music during fights
Oh definitely. Working Alan Silvestri's masterful Predator themes with a Native American feel will be a must! And hopefully they'll bring back Alan! Plus good sound design, casting, direction, creature design (looking at you ADI) the works!
But those are the three basic foundational buildings blocks / check boxes (to me) essential to make a great Predator film. :)
Quote from: goose_3387 on Jul 30, 2021, 06:55:50 PM
Quote from: SiL on Jul 30, 2021, 12:12:03 PM
I'm not keen on it being that similar to The Revenant, no.
The Revenant was OK. Far too long but looked fantastic.
It was ok. At some parts. Dragged like hell true most of it. And one actor did deserve to get an Oscar, but it wasn't DiCaprio ( he should have had get that funking gold nude bastard for Wolf of Wall Street period).
I feel that was a definite "We really should have given you one of these by now so here it is for whatever you were in last" award.
Quote from: SiL on Jul 31, 2021, 10:33:11 PM
I feel that was a definite "We really should have given you one of these by now so here it is for whatever you were in last" award.
Yep bro, definitely this.
I'm mixed on the soundtrack. I'm thinking they might not use any previous reference material which might actually be a bonus. Maybe perhaps one or two samples as a nod.
The title of the film is different, why not the soundtrack.
Quote from: Highland on Aug 01, 2021, 03:04:11 AM
I'm mixed on the soundtrack. I'm thinking they might not use any previous reference material which might actually be a bonus. Maybe perhaps one or two samples as a nod.
The title of the film is different, why not the soundtrack.
The fading drum sound could easily be incorporated into more primordial/ tribal soundtrack.
But what about the old gun Glover gets from one of the preds in predator 2, isn't it older then this film or is it from the same time period of the new film? Maybe we will get to see how a predator gets hold of this gun in the upcoming film. Would be a nice reference to predator 2 imo.
Quote from: nanison on Aug 01, 2021, 07:18:55 PM
But what about the old gun Glover gets from one of the preds in predator 2, isn't it older then this film or is it from the same time period of the new film? Maybe we will get to see how a predator gets hold of this gun in the upcoming film. Would be a nice reference to predator 2 imo.
The gun was 17 something. This could still be before although I'm not sure they've set a date. I wouldn't worry about it, I doubt it'll be anything official. It's most likely a throw away line from those involved.
It could work without the R as long as it has the actual suspense. I'd prefer the gore of course but I've seen enough gore in the series to know that it means nothing without the suspense. My main fear with this film is still whether or not it's going to be filled with all that woke bullshit. Hope to Christ that was just marketing fluff and that this doesn't turn another Shane Black scenario where all of the rumours turned out to actually be true.
*Edited to remove a slur. No use of that word please. Hicks.
What rumors?
So now the film's title could be simply called "Predator" or like the reddit post said "Hunter". I liked Skull(s) :'(
Quote from: Clubroot on Aug 03, 2021, 04:17:24 PM
So now the film's title could be simply called "Predator" or like the reddit post said "Hunter". I liked Skull(s) :'(
To be fair Skulls doesn't make much sense. Predator - Skulls does.
Quote from: Clubroot on Aug 03, 2021, 04:17:24 PM
So now the film's title could be simply called "Predator" or like the reddit post said "Hunter". I liked Skull(s) :'(
Yeah, I adore the name "Skulls" too and will find it a shame the day they change it (if that day comes).
Now it might be naive of me, but I just don't believe they'll go the Halloween route and name another Predator film, "Predator".
"Hunter" works for me though. I like it for its lineage, plus it works two-fold considering Kee's desire to hunt (in addition to the obvious ways of a Predator.)
How about going completely the other direction and call it Prey? Leaves you to figure out which it is, ala Predators.
@The Necronoir
Prey sounds good to. I also reminds me of the Xbox 360 Prey game that had a native American character and was similar to Turok in some ways. That title could work if they have hunting scenes with animals in the beginning before the Pred shows up. Sets up the Prey and the Hunter.
I miss good old days when movies had numbers and subtitles.
Predator 4: Hunt For Autism
Still better then The Predator or AvP: Requiem...
Quote from: Master on Aug 04, 2021, 07:41:49 PM
I miss good old days when movies had numbers and subtitles.
My man. I like simple and to the point. Predator: Skulls. It's perfect.
I'm super surprised we haven't gotten a look at the Predator yet.
We didn't see anything from The Predator until pretty late in the game, didn't we? Even then we only saw the Emissaries.
Quote from: Kradan on Aug 04, 2021, 07:56:12 PM
Predator 4: Hunt For Autism
(https://i.gifer.com/8Jp.gif)
Spoiler
(Hunt Against Autism)
*
*I'll show myself out
Quote from: SiL on Aug 05, 2021, 01:26:13 AM
We didn't see anything from The Predator until pretty late in the game, didn't we? Even then we only saw the Emissaries.
Yep. We made it through most of the production without any leaks from set at all.
Quote from: The Shuriken on Aug 04, 2021, 10:54:15 PM
Quote from: Master on Aug 04, 2021, 07:41:49 PM
I miss good old days when movies had numbers and subtitles.
My man. I like simple and to the point. Predator: Skulls. It's perfect.
That's the way I'm leaning too.
Quote from: SiL on Aug 05, 2021, 01:26:13 AM
We didn't see anything from The Predator until pretty late in the game, didn't we? Even then we only saw the Emissaries.
Aside from the leaks. There was a behind the scenes or art book that had the unmasked Fugitive Predator on the cover in black and white. That was in April 2018 I think. Well before we saw the Fugitive in any footage.
If it was in april 2018, it was only a month before the first teaser where we see fugitive.
And that's also merchandise, not mid-filming reveals.
Quote from: Master on Aug 04, 2021, 07:41:49 PM
I miss good old days when movies had numbers and subtitles.
Oh how I longed for a...
(https://i.ibb.co/DbJj49k/IMG-20190222-221747.jpg)
Quote from: Kradan on Aug 04, 2021, 07:56:12 PM
Predator 4: Hunt For Autism
Quote from: Master on Aug 04, 2021, 08:39:32 PM
Still better then The Predator or AvP: Requiem...
(https://media1.tenor.com/images/61f7166b77b609c49a9a65ee06ca630f/tenor.gif)
AvPRequiem actually has sub-title in its title, so there's that
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Aug 05, 2021, 01:12:19 PM
Quote from: Master on Aug 04, 2021, 07:41:49 PM
I miss good old days when movies had numbers and subtitles.
Oh how I longed for a...
(https://i.ibb.co/DbJj49k/IMG-20190222-221747.jpg)
The times I've spent in VHS rental, serching for Predator 3...
Did I ever told you I'm working on my fan script?
Please don't reveal to much on the trailer let's keep guessing like the original Predator
Quote from: Master on Aug 05, 2021, 03:13:50 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Aug 05, 2021, 01:12:19 PM
Quote from: Master on Aug 04, 2021, 07:41:49 PM
I miss good old days when movies had numbers and subtitles.
Oh how I longed for a...
(https://i.ibb.co/DbJj49k/IMG-20190222-221747.jpg)
The times I've spent in VHS rental, serching for Predator 3...
Did I ever told you I'm working on my fan script?
I believe you did! Hopefully you'll feel inclined to share it with us all, once completed! :)
Quote from: Eduardo Castro on Aug 06, 2021, 01:59:29 AM
Please don't reveal to much on the trailer let's keep guessing like the original Predator
Original trailer showed the whole movie and the Predator lol
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Aug 05, 2021, 01:12:19 PM
Oh how I longed for a...
(https://i.ibb.co/DbJj49k/IMG-20190222-221747.jpg)
Well, we would've get that ...
Spoiler
IF PREDATOR 2 WASN"T SUCH A FLOP !!!
Spoiler
please, don't kill me
Quote from: Proteus on Aug 06, 2021, 02:14:22 PM
Quote from: Eduardo Castro on Aug 06, 2021, 01:59:29 AM
Please don't reveal to much on the trailer let's keep guessing like the original Predator
Original trailer showed the whole movie and the Predator lol
https://youtu.be/_1wDBNHYDv8 (https://youtu.be/_1wDBNHYDv8)
So I've double-checked and you're technically not wrong. Thing is, we only get quick glimpses of it and Youtube wasn't a thing back in 1987
Quote from: Kradan on Aug 06, 2021, 02:19:30 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Aug 05, 2021, 01:12:19 PM
Oh how I longed for a...
(https://i.ibb.co/DbJj49k/IMG-20190222-221747.jpg)
Well, we would've get that ...
Spoiler
IF PREDATOR 2 WASN"T SUCH A FLOP !!!
Spoiler
please, don't kill me
Quote from: Proteus on Aug 06, 2021, 02:14:22 PM
Quote from: Eduardo Castro on Aug 06, 2021, 01:59:29 AM
Please don't reveal to much on the trailer let's keep guessing like the original Predator
Original trailer showed the whole movie and the Predator lol
https://youtu.be/_1wDBNHYDv8 (https://youtu.be/_1wDBNHYDv8)
So I've double-checked and you're technically not wrong. Thing is, we only get quick glimpses of it and Youtube wasn't a thing back in 1987
Of course YouTube wasn't around then, but the point is that those who did see the original trailer in theater or commercial breaks were still treated to a significant amount of detail. Heck, for those who are old enough, trailers in the 80s gave away just as much of a film as trailers do now. The difference is, like you implied, you only saw the trailer if shown in theater or you caught it on TV. I, for one, tend to watch a teaser once and do everything I can to avoid trailers after. I went into all the new Star Wars blind of info. Just have to have a little restraint.
Makes sense
Quote from: Kradan on Aug 06, 2021, 02:19:30 PM
https://youtu.be/_1wDBNHYDv8 (https://youtu.be/_1wDBNHYDv8)
That dubbing when Dillion gets stabbed. :laugh:
Or when Poncho gets hit by a log :D
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Aug 06, 2021, 12:50:10 PM
Quote from: Master on Aug 05, 2021, 03:13:50 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Aug 05, 2021, 01:12:19 PM
Quote from: Master on Aug 04, 2021, 07:41:49 PM
I miss good old days when movies had numbers and subtitles.
Oh how I longed for a...
(https://i.ibb.co/DbJj49k/IMG-20190222-221747.jpg)
The times I've spent in VHS rental, serching for Predator 3...
Did I ever told you I'm working on my fan script?
I believe you did! Hopefully you'll feel inclined to share it with us all, once completed! :)
Don't worry, I will. I'm like sixty pages in and working on it daily ;)
curious what predator will look like in this.. I hope it is a more natural look and design.
Quote from: Enjoy on Aug 07, 2021, 05:10:38 PM
curious what predator will look like in this.. I hope it is a more natural look and design.
From your lips to the Predator Gods ears!
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Aug 11, 2021, 02:20:24 PM
Quote from: Enjoy on Aug 07, 2021, 05:10:38 PM
curious what predator will look like in this.. I hope it is a more natural look and design.
From your lips to the Predator Gods ears!
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/predator4-behind-026.jpg)
Oh god :laugh:
Now that's plain MEAN!
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Aug 11, 2021, 02:24:33 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Aug 11, 2021, 02:20:24 PM
Quote from: Enjoy on Aug 07, 2021, 05:10:38 PM
curious what predator will look like in this.. I hope it is a more natural look and design.
From your lips to the Predator Gods ears!
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/predator4-behind-026.jpg)
I wouldn't put it past them given they went unused and just have that sitting around. Probably will get retooled but given they do reuse leftover assets I have no reason to think they wouldn't. It's either that head or a retooled Fugitive.
Exactly what I'm expecting too.
So we're kinda f**ked anyway.
Personally I have a feeling that the director is going to have a specific vision for the predator, especially if there is only one in the film. I don't think they'll be reusing previous designs on this one.
That doesn't mean that ADI will finally make a good predator though, I just don't think it will be like something we've seen already.
I'll pray that they knock it out of the park, naive though it may be.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Aug 11, 2021, 06:36:41 PM
Exactly what I'm expecting too.
If that's what we get then count me out. 😅
(https://c.tenor.com/lx38gI6Elh8AAAAC/captain-picard-the-line-must-be-drawn-here.gif)
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Aug 11, 2021, 02:24:33 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Aug 11, 2021, 02:20:24 PM
Quote from: Enjoy on Aug 07, 2021, 05:10:38 PM
curious what predator will look like in this.. I hope it is a more natural look and design.
From your lips to the Predator Gods ears!
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/predator4-behind-026.jpg)
A hell, I wouldn't mind this head.
Quote from: Master on Aug 12, 2021, 08:13:14 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Aug 11, 2021, 02:24:33 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Aug 11, 2021, 02:20:24 PM
Quote from: Enjoy on Aug 07, 2021, 05:10:38 PM
curious what predator will look like in this.. I hope it is a more natural look and design.
From your lips to the Predator Gods ears!
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/predator4-behind-026.jpg)
A hell, I wouldn't mind this head.
(https://media.tenor.com/images/78e81757e90dc6044c4c307af556fc64/tenor.gif)
;) j/k
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Aug 12, 2021, 08:26:37 PM
Quote from: Master on Aug 12, 2021, 08:13:14 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Aug 11, 2021, 02:24:33 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Aug 11, 2021, 02:20:24 PM
Quote from: Enjoy on Aug 07, 2021, 05:10:38 PM
curious what predator will look like in this.. I hope it is a more natural look and design.
From your lips to the Predator Gods ears!
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/predator4-behind-026.jpg)
A hell, I wouldn't mind this head.
https://media.tenor.com/images/78e81757e90dc6044c4c307af556fc64/tenor.gif
;) j/k
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/6d/b0/bf/6db0bfafc8ef8ed107ecd45a44e7f829.gif)
Imagine we get an absolute kick ass film , best since Predator...then the final scene it takes it's mask off and it's the Father of Scar and Emissary Predators mixed together.
Be like a blind date that's going brilliantly til you meet her at the pub and find out she's got mandibles.
I would be turned on tbh.
Quote from: Highland on Aug 14, 2021, 04:01:27 AM
Imagine we get an absolute kick ass film , best since Predator...then the final scene it takes it's mask off and it's the Father of Scar and Emissary Predators mixed together.
Be like a blind date that's going brilliantly til you meet her at the pub and find out she's got mandibles.
Honestly I'd be more forgiving of that design if it's a good film. If it's a bad movie that would be the mold on the turd, but if everything else is good it's just an ugly individual.
You mean,
uglier than usual ?
Quote from: Master on Aug 12, 2021, 08:13:14 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Aug 11, 2021, 02:24:33 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Aug 11, 2021, 02:20:24 PM
Quote from: Enjoy on Aug 07, 2021, 05:10:38 PM
curious what predator will look like in this.. I hope it is a more natural look and design.
From your lips to the Predator Gods ears!
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/predator4-behind-026.jpg)
A hell, I wouldn't mind this head.
Good man
To tell them their work is terrible ? They would fire you on the spot
Quote from: Kradan on Aug 15, 2021, 08:38:15 AM
To tell them their work is terrible ? They would fire you on the spot
Okay, let's role-play. :)
You want to work in practical fx, you believe in yourself and your ability, and Alec invites you in for an interview.
During the interview, he puts the below gif on a screen and says.... "Kradan, what are your honest thoughts regarding this work? Bad or good, I want to know how you feel about it and what would you do differently if anything." How do you answer?
(https://i.ibb.co/hy7JxHF/20210318-195010.gif)
I think it's good. But that Voodoo guy talks so much about their skin wrinkling and bending. Maybe we can do something about that next time ?
Quote from: Kradan on Aug 15, 2021, 08:38:15 AM
To tell them their work is terrible ? They would fire you on the spot
Nope. To make their work better in the future.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Aug 15, 2021, 12:50:21 PM
Quote from: Kradan on Aug 15, 2021, 08:38:15 AM
To tell them their work is terrible ? They would fire you on the spot
Okay, let's role-play. :)
You want to work in practical fx, you believe in yourself and your ability, and Alec invites you in for an interview.
During the interview, he puts the below gif on a screen and says.... "Kradan, what are your honest thoughts regarding this work? Bad or good, I want to know how you feel about it and what would you do differently if anything." How do you answer?
https://i.ibb.co/hy7JxHF/20210318-195010.gif
I'd say he's had one too many face babies.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Aug 15, 2021, 12:50:21 PM
Quote from: Kradan on Aug 15, 2021, 08:38:15 AM
To tell them their work is terrible ? They would fire you on the spot
Okay, let's role-play. :)
You want to work in practical fx, you believe in yourself and your ability, and Alec invites you in for an interview.
During the interview, he puts the below gif on a screen and says.... "Kradan, what are your honest thoughts regarding this work? Bad or good, I want to know how you feel about it and what would you do differently if anything." How do you answer?
https://i.ibb.co/hy7JxHF/20210318-195010.gif
"I have to be blunt, Alec. It's not good. I'm not going to blame you guys for what Anderson wanted with the eyes but you CAN'T be happy with that mouth meat."
It's awful. Doesn't hold a candle to your guys work on Aliens or Alien³ I know you can do better.
"I thought it was a mistake to try to make the Predator handsome. If possible, I'd try to limit the range of motion in the mandibles to prevent the skin over-stretching, or design two heads - one for closed to partially opened, one for opened to fully wide."
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Aug 15, 2021, 12:50:21 PM
Quote from: Kradan on Aug 15, 2021, 08:38:15 AM
To tell them their work is terrible ? They would fire you on the spot
Okay, let's role-play. :)
You want to work in practical fx, you believe in yourself and your ability, and Alec invites you in for an interview.
During the interview, he puts the below gif on a screen and says.... "Kradan, what are your honest thoughts regarding this work? Bad or good, I want to know how you feel about it and what would you do differently if anything." How do you answer?
https://i.ibb.co/hy7JxHF/20210318-195010.gif
I would say:
"Its not you fault that Paul Anderson wanted the Predators to look friendly and heroic. From that point any design was doomed to fail. Cute eyes and a horrific looking monstrous mouth are mutually exclusive. However I also feel the mouth was a little exaggerated in its proportions. The skin flaps are wrinkling too much. You have more animatronic movement in the mouth, which is impressive. But I think what should matter most is the form. If movement has to be sacrificed in order to just look good, that's what we should shoot for."
Personally I really hope the look of the predator is similar to the predators in predator 2. That whole worn out copper armour that's battle damaged and been through the ages is where it should be at. I don't want this over the top squeaky clean tech on a predator either. It should look retro like they have been using it for hundreds of years. Also i want to see this predator wearing trophies. Let's just get back to basics guys, P1 and P2 laid the framework down on how all predators should look going forward, just respect Stans work, it's not difficult.
Quote from: YOUNGBLOOD90 on Aug 17, 2021, 03:02:39 PM
Personally I really hope the look of the predator is similar to the predators in predator 2. That whole worn out copper armour that's battle damaged and been through the ages is where it should be at. I don't want this over the top squeaky clean tech on a predator either. It should look retro like they have been using it for hundreds of years. Also i want to see this predator wearing trophies. Let's just get back to basics guys, P1 and P2 laid the framework down on how all predators should look going forward, just respect Stans work, it's not difficult.
(https://c.tenor.com/z69H9usjXVYAAAAC/my-man.gif)
I think the Teeth and eye's add to the party, but if you put the AVP teeth and eyes on the original Predator it would still look good imo ( or at least not as bad).
The flappy mouth and the armor bother me much more. I like the Hero head idea. It can be done!
Oy vey, just the gigantic mouth openings alone.
We go from these open mouths....
(https://i.ibb.co/gZBXjgG/Screenshot-20210818-154447-You-Tube.png)
(https://i.ibb.co/K9Nzy5b/Screenshot-20210818-154458-You-Tube.png)
..to Crabators that can swallow watermelons whole. :-\
(https://i.ibb.co/NLn8D1G/proxy.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/vmTVmfb/Screenshot-20210818-154944-You-Tube.png)
(https://i.ibb.co/YTvDNtC/IMG-20210508-072404.jpg)
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Aug 19, 2021, 12:56:17 PM
..to Crabators that can swallow watermelons whole. :-\
Maybe it's somewhat useful on their planet ;D
:laugh:
Touché
@voodoo Magic, I'm glad someone agrees lol. Also those photos you shown really show how awful the later faces are. They look like knockoff Halloween masks in comparison to jungle hunter and city hunter. It's 2021 for Christ sake. Amalgamated Dynamics just seem to me to either be making these suits as cheap as possible, or frankly the talent just isn't as good as Stan Winston studios was. They keep reusing parts etc, rather than making something new.
I just can't for the life of me figure how they keep getting the contract, when predator fans reception to their creations has largely been negative. Which imho effects the film drastically when the very creatures we love, look so unbelievably fake.
Quote from: YOUNGBLOOD90 on Aug 19, 2021, 03:18:13 PM
I just can't for the life of me figure how they keep getting the contract, when predator fans reception to their creations has largely been negative. Which imho effects the film drastically when the very creatures we love, look so unbelievably fake.
It's all Kradarkdan magic, man, I'm telling ya
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These last couple of pages on the thread have been solid gold. They never forgot and they never forgave.
Oh wow these mouths are terrible, I never really noticed before.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Aug 19, 2021, 12:56:17 PM
Oy vey, just the gigantic mouth openings alone.
We go from these open mouths....
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..to Crabators that can swallow watermelons whole. :-\
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Their mandibles hang loose like sleeve of wizard.
Looks like a job for Industrial, Light and Voodoo Magic.
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It's no wonder they have folds.
Getting Predator mouths right is rocket science.
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Aug 22, 2021, 03:34:58 AM
Getting Predator mouths right is rocket science.
Except that guy Scott that makes the fan moulds has them spot on. I've seen a few on the collectors facebook pages ( and even thought about getting one). Perfection.
Sculpting them right isn't the hard part.
Getting the mouth to support the weight of a watermelon is the hard part.
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Quote from: SiL on Aug 26, 2021, 06:58:43 AM
Sculpting them right isn't the hard part.
At this point I'd actually just take a coupe of sculpted stunt sets. Also if they screw with the roar again......
I'd take a director who asks them to not have the mouths open so wide so the material doesn't stretch.
The roar I can take or leave. It's kind of nice to me that they don't all have exactly the same voice.
Quote from: SiL on Aug 26, 2021, 10:21:05 PM
The roar I can take or leave. It's kind of nice to me that they don't all have exactly the same voice.
Is it because it gives them a sense of individuality, kind of like people in the real world?
Basically. The Predators have never sounded the same with their other vocalisations so it's always a bit weird when the exact same roar escapes their mouths three times in a row.
I dunno , it kinda bothered me classic ( in predators) didn't sound like classic.
That one would've been nice if it was the original sound. Wolf and the Berserkers I was OK with.
It bothered me more that Classic wore the exact gear as a Predator that died in a jungle on Earth in 1987.
Makes it feel like a fanfilm.
Quote from: Trash Queen on Aug 27, 2021, 09:02:49 AM
It bothered me more that Classic wore the exact gear as a Predator that died in a jungle on Earth in 1987.
Makes it feel like a fanfilm.
Wasn't him though, dodgy mandibles :laugh:
Remember those goat edit videos?
Now I'm imagining one where the Predator sounds like a goat.
Someone should make this. And with other type of screams. Like Brando's "Stella!".
Quote from: Trash Queen on Aug 27, 2021, 09:02:49 AM
It bothered me more that Classic wore the exact gear as a Predator that died in a jungle on Earth in 1987.
Makes it feel like a fanfilm.
Glad I'm not the only one who feels this way. It feels like the NECA figures again where they try to sell me a "new and unique" Predator but its just Jungle Hunter with a different color shade.