http://www.denofgeek.com/uk/movies/ridley-scott-alien/58449/prometheus-and-alien-ridley-scott-s-feeling-for-flutes
QuoteFor years, that seemed to be as far as we could get with the flute mystery. But then, in 2017 - almost exactly five years after we talked to Anil Biltoo - we finally got to raise the subject with Ridley Scott. Ostensibly, Scott was in the country to promote Blade Runner 2049 - the sequel to his own 1982 classic, which he produced and Denis Villeneuve directed. But Scott's mind is far too alive and restless to stick to one topic for long, and so our conversation veered quite dramatically from Blade Runner to World War II bombs to the question of whether Leonardo da Vinci was some form of artificial intelligence.
From there, Scott began to muse on the subject of ancient aliens - and whether the extraordinary creativity displayed by someone like Da Vinci or Mozart might have been the result of an intervention by an extraterrestrial power. Seizing the moment, we asked: was that why the flute was in Prometheus and Alien: Covenant? Was it Scott's way of saying that music was something given to us by ancient aliens?
"Well, yeah," Scott said, as though it was the most obvious thing in the world. "The flute would probably be the most basic instrument - you get a reed, you punch a hole through it, blow, and you get sound. So I felt the flute was the most basic of all instruments - the air. Or you could have percussion, drums. But I think it was air, to get an interesting, magical sound. But I always revolve around the idea of, I like the genius of Michelangelo. In terms of his brain, his mathematical, engineering, artistic mind. It makes him one of the absolute greats, really. He was 100 years ahead of his time. So yeah, the flute is a symbol of simplicity, but also, it's a sonic lock: you play the right notes, it opens a door."
So the gift was not fire but air...
Well we all know where this is headed. David is the pied piper and the aliens are the rats.
David doots as he pleases.
Quote from: whiterabbit on Jun 21, 2018, 12:03:09 AM
So the gift was not fire but air...
Well we all know where this is headed. David is the pied piper and the aliens are the rats.
That'd be a little too much for me but I could accept it.
Would be cool if he could operate (parts of) the colony with a flute.
And then another android (Walter?) would have to learn to play too. But in order to fix things, he has to create tunes himself. This will somehow set him free and turn him into another android with a mind of its own.
Quote from: The Old One on Jun 21, 2018, 12:04:51 AM
David doots as he pleases.
Yes, he does. Hail, David!
David bringing about the apocalypse by playing the solo from Stairway would almost be enough to save the prequels for me. I can see him now, riding on the back of his queen xenomorph, leading thousands of Aliens on a charge.
I'm pretty open to the idea of Ancient Aliens also. It's entirely plausible that aliens exist or have existed, and have visited Earth, and influenced human beings somehow. People like Ridley Scott and Stanley Kubrick seem to think so.
Quote from: Scorpio on Jun 21, 2018, 03:35:20 AM
I'm pretty open to the idea of Ancient Aliens also. It's entirely plausible that aliens exist or have existed, and have visited Earth, and influenced human beings somehow. People like Ridley Scott and Stanley Kubrick seem to think so.
Three things:
1- The high profile guys in your comment are artists, not scientists. Maybe they have their own opinions about it (like you and me), but these are just that; opinions.
2- Even if they were scientists, it doesn't mean that every statement that comes out of their mouths is a fact (see Argument from authority (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_authority)).
Now, don't get me wrong as I also like to keep an open mind. And maybe, and as you mentioned, it's quite possible that there is extraterrestrial life somewhere in the universe.
But the claim that we have been visited by such life forms, without reliable evidence, is just a belief. In that sense, it's not very different from a religious ideology, since you are literally making a leap of faith.
Some real scientists, like Carl Sagan, showed a cautious interest in the subject. But eventually, they opted to become skeptical due to the lack of evidence and hoaxes. Now, the main promoters of the hypothesis are charlatans and pseudo-archaeologists like Erich von Däniken or Giorgio A. Tsoukalos.
3- If Ridley Scott really feels great respect for someone like Leonardo di ser Piero da Vinci, he shouldn't be underestimating the man's ingenuity by giving all the credit for such knowledge to the
21st century's gods aliens.
I'm not arguing from authority (such and such says so, so it's true), you're arguing from authority: "lack of evidence" - according to whom? Promoters of the 'ideology' are 'charlatans', are they? How do you know? You are making the leap of faith.
"Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence."
Quote"lack of evidence" - according to whom?
Where is the evidence?
QuotePromoters of the 'ideology' are 'charlatans', are they? How do you know? You are making the leap of faith.
You obviously don't know enough about the hypothesis of the ancient astronauts or about the people who support it. However, that is not my problem.
I have but one recommendation, lets change the flute to a saxophone.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F4.bp.blogspot.com%2F-FkpgndnQ7RM%2FUP6R2P8a56I%2FAAAAAAAAF44%2FULJTYx_BQB8%2Fs1600%2Faliens%2B-%2Bapocalypse%2B-86.jpg&hash=ed2f5222b29f283f4f2deaff278497aa27d7ebaf)
*parp*
Quote from: Crazy Shrimp on Jun 21, 2018, 06:13:47 AM
Quote"lack of evidence" - according to whom?
Where is the evidence?
You have to go look for it, it's not going to magically appear before you, maybe start by opening your mind a bit and listening to what these 'promoters of the ideology' are saying.
Quote
You obviously don't know enough about the hypothesis of the ancient astronauts or about the people who support it. However, that is not my problem.
Ah, I see. So you know better than me?
Is that a trick question?
Quote from: Scorpio on Jun 21, 2018, 06:39:19 AM
Quote from: Crazy Shrimp on Jun 21, 2018, 06:13:47 AM
Quote"lack of evidence" - according to whom?
Where is the evidence?
You have to go look for it, it's not going to magically appear before you, maybe start by opening your mind a bit and listening to what these 'promoters of the ideology' are saying.
Quote
You obviously don't know enough about the hypothesis of the ancient astronauts or about the people who support it. However, that is not my problem.
Ah, I see. So you know better than me?
Argument from authority. Again, I don't care who says it but where is the evidence?
Von Däniken used to promote this as an authentic ancient cave painting.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.jasoncolavito.com%2Fuploads%2F3%2F7%2F5%2F9%2F3759274%2F2930021_orig.jpg&hash=1bb7d807e154b258550d862af7e08f4d55a3ed3b)
However, the illustration was drawn in 1967.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.jasoncolavito.com%2Fuploads%2F3%2F7%2F5%2F9%2F3759274%2F4796320_orig.jpg&hash=e69f806612e577206561f48cb4080b62a7acf150)
The real one it's a piece of shamanic art.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.jasoncolavito.com%2Fuploads%2F3%2F7%2F5%2F9%2F3759274%2F8317892.png&hash=1068c36cc87edc6753c1ef1ebca53ee4caaad557)
FAKING ANCIENT ART IN UZBEKISTAN (http://www.jasoncolavito.com/faking-ancient-art-in-uzbekistan.html)
There are other hoaxes like The Tayos Cave:
Remembering Neil Armstrong's Brush with Ancient Astronauts (http://www.jasoncolavito.com/blog/remembering-neil-armstrongs-brush-with-ancient-astronauts)
Father Crespi and the Toilet Tank Float of the Gods (http://www.jasoncolavito.com/blog/father-crespi-and-the-toilet-tank-float-of-the-gods)
and more and more...but I don't have enough time for this.
I understand that you don't have the time, but a few minutes on google isn't going to debunk anything.
A few hoaxes and errors doesn't discredit all the information.
Quote from: Scorpio on Jun 21, 2018, 07:17:40 AM
I understand that you don't have the time, but a few minutes on google isn't going to debunk anything.
A few hoaxes and errors doesn't discredit all the information.
Tons of errors, in fact (and only if we count Von Daniken). However, that last reply proves to me that you don't know so much about the matter beyond your confirmation bias or you are just trolling as usual. Goodnight.
That's kind of interesting since you only searched for information that 'debunks' the theory, and accuse me of confirmation bias.
And "trolling", that old chestnut.
Ancient astronauts is like any holy text, it makes for a great story but is ultimately wishful speculation.
It's wishful speculation to think that the reality you're currently experiencing is all there is.
With so many people of all walks of life claiming to have had encounters with aliens or the paranormal, as well as seen evidence - either they're all kooks, liars or mistaken - or there's something to it.
It's ok to be skeptical, but closing your mind off completely.. As Aristotle said "It is the mark of an educated mind to entertain an idea without accepting it"
Of all these people, why is there no credible evidence?
Quote from: SM on Jun 21, 2018, 11:07:39 AM
Of all these people, why is there no credible evidence?
None, zilch, notta.
Anything that happens when you're half asleep or have just been asleep is not valid.
Any "lights" that you can't explain are not proof of aliens. They're lights in the sky.
I don't believe there is alien life out there. I know it's out there. Our galaxy, to say
nothing of the universe, is just too big. Not to mention just how common the elements in life as we know throughout the universe.
But there's a HUGE difference between that, and saying that aliens developed advanced technology, came to Earth tof ly around in strange patterns, mutilate some cows, and every now and again abduct some half asleep buffoon out of his bed and stick something up his or her butt.
I think the flute is very fitting of Prometheus and Covenant, seeing as how they both blow.
Quote from: OpenMaw on Jun 21, 2018, 05:07:42 PMI think the flute is very fitting of Prometheus and Covenant, seeing as how they both blow.
Then why spend time on a forum dedicated to those two movies?
Just curious...
Quote from: Baron Von Marlon on Jun 21, 2018, 05:38:58 PM
Quote from: OpenMaw on Jun 21, 2018, 05:07:42 PMI think the flute is very fitting of Prometheus and Covenant, seeing as how they both blow.
Then why spend time on a forum dedicated to those two movies?
Just curious...
Because I invested years into them before they came out, because I watched them, because they disappointed me, and because I feel the need to express it.
You're such a disappointment to me.
Quote from: Evanus on Jun 21, 2018, 06:19:32 PM
You're such a disappointment to me.
https://y.yarn.co/ffee6fd7-0cdf-42b0-89db-1a72193203aa.mp4?1529605740682
And here I thought OpenMaw adored prometheus?
Quote from: Scorpio on Jun 21, 2018, 09:13:29 AM
It's wishful speculation to think that the reality you're currently experiencing is all there is.
With so many people of all walks of life claiming to have had encounters with aliens or the paranormal, as well as seen evidence - either they're all kooks, liars or mistaken - or there's something to it.
It's ok to be skeptical, but closing your mind off completely.. As Aristotle said "It is the mark of an educated mind to entertain an idea without accepting it"
Well I did say it's wishful speculation and not out right phony baloney. Of all the things I've see reported and I do watch that ancient astronaut show every now and again. It can all be explained logically. Most of the time, aliens, is the most unrealistic choice.
And no offense to anyone but a whole lot of people in the world are superstitious, conspiracist, poorly educated, diseased, out right dumb or simply unable to take care of themselves. Then you have the those that are the opposite of all of that. The only answer for them, no one's perfect.
I'll admit here that I have experienced some weird shit in my life and I do have superstitious beliefs that I don't care to dare. Also conspiracies do happen but no where as often as some believe. However aliens visiting is highly, very much probably unlikely. Do aliens exist? I do believe that 100% though. Did aliens perhaps make a stop by at some point? That I do think has a tiny chance but I doubt they ever came back or even noticed us. The universe is just so damn huge.
Modern science is as much a religious, agenda-driven, profit maximising enterprise as organised religion. Putting your faith in 'science' is the same as putting your faith in anything else.
Everybody has different beliefs. And of those, many (like you) believe their beliefs are superior. A kind of fascism. To walk around with the attitude "my beliefs are superior to yours". Just like every authoritarian ideology.
Your truth is different to my truth, respect that people have different beliefs to yours and yours aren't superior. Don't mean to preach as I have been guilty of the same, but it's time to break out of this egoism and mental conditioning.
Not to say that there aren't harmful ideologies out there, particularly when they become institutionalised. Such as the current virtue signalling/racism going on, as part of a global agenda to demonise 'white people'. I say 'global agenda' because it is happening in country after country all around the world, at the same time. Which sounds, at least to me, that it might be a bit more than just a coincidence.
Most if not all scientist want proof that aliens exist. When that proof arrives it'll be one helluva day.
Yet nothing we've seen up until now is backed up with evidence and the "you must have faith button" isn't going to cut it.
What if they do have proof and they're just not releasing it to the public?
Quote from: Scorpio on Jun 21, 2018, 10:24:02 PM
What if they do have proof and they're just not releasing it to the public?
Interplanetary contract violation. Nobody wants to be the first to get probed.
That and Will Smith just won't allow it. ;)
Quote from: Scorpio on Jun 21, 2018, 10:24:02 PM
What if they do have proof and they're just not releasing it to the public?
Why would they keep it a secret? There's no reason for that, it wouldn't make a big rucus at all. As it was mentioned here, most people are dumb as bricks and this being news would just fly over them. You have flat-earthers and people denying dinosaurs ever existed aplenty, so. :P
Quote from: MU-TH-UR 6000 on Jun 21, 2018, 10:37:42 PM
Quote from: Scorpio on Jun 21, 2018, 10:24:02 PM
What if they do have proof and they're just not releasing it to the public?
Why would they keep it a secret? There's no reason for that, it wouldn't make a big rucus at all.
The days are gone when you might expect full-out panic in the streets at the mention of Aliens existing. No doubt due to the movies, radio productions, and literature of the time. Little men from Mars were the thing back then. Now we have zombies. If aliens were announced to exist, you'd have a slight sales increase in gas, guns, ammo and food for about a week or two and then everybody would be talking about how cool it is that aliens exist. The kids would all be wanting flying saucers for Christmas. A month later, some celebrity would check themselves into rehab, and the space men would be forgotten.
Quote from: Huggs on Jun 21, 2018, 10:50:30 PM
The days are gone when you might expect full-out panic in the streets at the mention of Aliens existing. No doubt due to the movies, radio productions, and literature of the time. Little men from Mars were the thing back then. Now we have zombies. If aliens were announced to exist, you'd have a slight sales increase in gas, guns, ammo and food for about a week or two and then everybody would be talking about how cool it is that aliens exist. The kids would all be wanting flying saucers for Christmas. A month later, some celebrity would check themselves into rehab, and the space men would be forgotten.
It's amazing just how true all of that is.
Quote from: OpenMaw on Jun 22, 2018, 12:14:54 AM
Quote from: Huggs on Jun 21, 2018, 10:50:30 PM
The days are gone when you might expect full-out panic in the streets at the mention of Aliens existing. No doubt due to the movies, radio productions, and literature of the time. Little men from Mars were the thing back then. Now we have zombies. If aliens were announced to exist, you'd have a slight sales increase in gas, guns, ammo and food for about a week or two and then everybody would be talking about how cool it is that aliens exist. The kids would all be wanting flying saucers for Christmas. A month later, some celebrity would check themselves into rehab, and the space men would be forgotten.
It's amazing just how true all of that is.
Yea but what happens if the aliens look like the devil complete with skeletons riding on horses?
That would be a helluva thing. ;D
Quote from: whiterabbit on Jun 22, 2018, 12:46:02 AM
Yea but what happens if the aliens look like the devil complete with skeletons riding on horses?
Simple. I have a insane view where I live. I'll bust out a lawn chair, blast some Iron Maiden or "black hole sun" over the stereo, and await an apocalypse of sheer awesomeness. ;)
Quote from: MU-TH-UR 6000 on Jun 21, 2018, 10:37:42 PM
Why would they keep it a secret? There's no reason for that, it wouldn't make a big rucus at all.
Same reason they keep other things secret. Or downplay/de-emphasise them. Power/control, the usual.
QuoteAs it was mentioned here, most people are dumb as bricks and this being news would just fly over them.
A bit arrogant, maybe.
QuoteYou have flat-earthers and people denying dinosaurs ever existed aplenty, so. :P
Yeah, and so?
I don't believe anything is 'real'. As Morpheus said "How do you define real?"
You decry anything that doesn't fit your narrow reality as 'nonsense'. The joke is on you. Anything is possible.
Quote from: Scorpio on Jun 22, 2018, 03:11:16 AM
I don't believe anything is 'real'. As Morpheus said "How do you define real?"
I stubbed my toe today. I assure you, it was 100% real. And I defined it with an eclectic list of screaming expletives that immediately followed the incident. ;)
Well pain is just a signal interpreted by the brain, some people have apparently learned to minimise or eradicate pain through various techniques.
Quote from: Scorpio on Jun 22, 2018, 03:22:20 AM
Well pain is just a signal interpreted by the brain, some people have apparently learned to minimise or eradicate pain through various techniques.
I am apparently not one of those people. :D That hurt like crap.
More or less than this thread?
Quote from: Scorpio on Jun 22, 2018, 03:22:20 AM
Well pain is just a signal interpreted by the brain, some people have apparently learned to minimise or eradicate pain through various techniques.
Hey Scorpio, since nothing is real can I have all of your non existent Earthly possessions?
Quote from: SM on Jun 22, 2018, 03:39:15 AM
More or less than this thread?
Quote from: OpenMaw on Jun 22, 2018, 03:43:38 AM
Hey Scorpio, since nothing is real can I have all of your non existent Earthly possessions?
I don't have many 'possessions', I only have what I need. Why would you want them in the first place? You think having 'stuff' makes you happier?
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jun 20, 2018, 02:20:50 PM
http://www.denofgeek.com/uk/movies/ridley-scott-alien/58449/prometheus-and-alien-ridley-scott-s-feeling-for-flutes
QuoteFor years, that seemed to be as far as we could get with the flute mystery. But then, in 2017 - almost exactly five years after we talked to Anil Biltoo - we finally got to raise the subject with Ridley Scott. Ostensibly, Scott was in the country to promote Blade Runner 2049 - the sequel to his own 1982 classic, which he produced and Denis Villeneuve directed. But Scott's mind is far too alive and restless to stick to one topic for long, and so our conversation veered quite dramatically from Blade Runner to World War II bombs to the question of whether Leonardo da Vinci was some form of artificial intelligence.
From there, Scott began to muse on the subject of ancient aliens - and whether the extraordinary creativity displayed by someone like Da Vinci or Mozart might have been the result of an intervention by an extraterrestrial power. Seizing the moment, we asked: was that why the flute was in Prometheus and Alien: Covenant? Was it Scott's way of saying that music was something given to us by ancient aliens?
"Well, yeah," Scott said, as though it was the most obvious thing in the world. "The flute would probably be the most basic instrument - you get a reed, you punch a hole through it, blow, and you get sound. So I felt the flute was the most basic of all instruments - the air. Or you could have percussion, drums. But I think it was air, to get an interesting, magical sound. But I always revolve around the idea of, I like the genius of Michelangelo. In terms of his brain, his mathematical, engineering, artistic mind. It makes him one of the absolute greats, really. He was 100 years ahead of his time. So yeah, the flute is a symbol of simplicity, but also, it's a sonic lock: you play the right notes, it opens a door."
I was going to reply to this thread with a snobby, "shows how much he knows" (honestly, flutes are rather difficult to play - the amount of control needed in the lips and diaphragm is no joke). But then I actually read up on prehistoric flutes....damn, the man's right! Put me in my place. I do appreciate his metaphor.
Quote from: Scorpio on Jun 22, 2018, 04:13:06 AM
I don't have many 'possessions', I only have what I need. Why would you want them in the first place? You think having 'stuff' makes you happier?
Point proven.
By your previous logic you don't
need anything.
You don't even need to eat, because it's all in your head.
I need to eat to sustain this physical shell, which is not who I am, but is the avatar I use to interact in this reality. Just like the avatar I use on this forum, is not really who I am. Because what we are is consciousness.
Quote from: OpenMaw on Jun 22, 2018, 04:35:25 AM
Quote from: Scorpio on Jun 22, 2018, 04:13:06 AM
I don't have many 'possessions', I only have what I need. Why would you want them in the first place? You think having 'stuff' makes you happier?
Point proven.
By your previous logic you don't need anything.
You don't even need to eat, because it's all in your head.
He a very misunderstood guy.
Does this mean SM is really a rogue program like agent smith?
Are we to be assimilated?
Quote from: OpenMaw on Jun 22, 2018, 04:35:25 AM
You don't even need to eat, because it's all in your head.
Cookies need love just like everything does ;)
(https://i.giphy.com/tFkPLO6WbhhdK.gif)
Quote from: Huggs on Jun 22, 2018, 04:54:32 AM
Does this mean SM is really a rogue program like agent smith?
No people like him exist everywhere, unfortunately. Not that I blame him, as you have this system imposed on society and you tend to get the same types of people churned out all the time. Those who mock/insult others for their beliefs and lean on authority to do so. Not putting myself on a pedestal or anything, as that's just how it is in the current state. Although I won't be pessimistic as everyone has the potential for change.
But you pump up Nazis.
Like real ones. (https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=56143.msg2191596#msg2191596)
Quote from: SM on Jun 22, 2018, 05:29:07 AM
Like real ones. (https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=56143.msg2191596#msg2191596)
Oh dear.
That's a common tactic from people on the programmed left/progressive, they cherry pick something you say, take it out of context, and use that against anyone they don't like. Has happened many, many, many times. So I won't even bother addressing it, because it's utterly pointless, as all someone has to do is point their finger and shout "NAZI", just because someone questions the official narrative around WW2. A typical display of immaturity. Doesn't surprise me in the least.
Quote from: Scorpio on Jun 22, 2018, 06:17:48 AM
That's a common tactic from people on the programmed left/progressive, they cherry pick something you say, take it out of context, and use that against anyone they don't like. Has happened many, many, many times. So I won't even bother addressing it, because it's utterly pointless, as all someone has to do is point their finger and shout "NAZI", just because someone questions the official narrative around WW2. A typical display of immaturity. Doesn't surprise me in the least.
Quote from: Scorpio on Jun 22, 2018, 06:17:48 AM
That's a common tactic from people on the programmed left/progressive, they cherry pick something you say, take it out of context, and use that against anyone they don't like. Has happened many, many, many times. So I won't even bother addressing it, because it's utterly pointless, as all someone has to do is point their finger and shout "NAZI", just because someone questions the official narrative around WW2. A typical display of immaturity. Doesn't surprise me in the least.
Comeon now, let's get down off that soapbox. There's a difference between acknowleding Hitler's skills at politicking or speeches to saying he was misunderstood.
Anyway, let's get back on topic here.
I'd be happy to discuss why I think Hitler is misunderstood in the appropriate way, but I did not bring it up and I made that post a long time ago. Why this particular person has brought it up multiple times I have no idea. But I think it would be better if he would stop doing it, unless he wants to actually debate it in a civil fashion.
EDIT: Unfortunately though, due to his behaviour I've had to put him on ignore, so that won't happen any time soon.
Hitler didn't mean to kill millions of people, eh?
Go nuts if you want to have a ping at me - I'll point out your Hitler boosting every time.
Quote from: OpenMaw on Jun 21, 2018, 05:07:42 PM
But there's a HUGE difference between that, and saying that aliens developed advanced technology, came to Earth tof ly around in strange patterns, mutilate some cows, and every now and again abduct some half asleep buffoon out of his bed and stick something up his or her butt.
How do you know that they exist in our universe? They could come from a parallel universe. And yes, this is possible according to physics.
Welcome to Fortean Thread :D
Scorpio is Jaden Smith (https://www.buzzfeed.com/genamourbarrett/jaden-smith-tweets-that-will-make-you-say-huh?utm_term=.jnX6vxrPz#.umzOmBxdk)??
When did AVPGalaxy transform into the History Channel? Are we talking equal shares here?
Back to the flute, David playing a flute while skipping along with a legion xenomorphs in tow like a black tsunami engulfing the world is exactly what this franchise needs.
Quote from: whiterabbit on Jun 22, 2018, 09:07:00 PM
When did AVPGalaxy transform into the History Channel? Are we talking equal shares here?
Back to the flute, David playing a flute while skipping along with a legion xenomorphs in tow like a black tsunami engulfing the world is exactly what this franchise needs.
That would be too on the nose for Riddles. Not that it wouldn't be a cool thing to see.
Could imagine him playing flute when he gets confronted, maybe by people who found out he's not Walter.
Then he plays a different tune and we hear a gate opening, some big device starting up or some building starts transforming.
As long as the flute itself doesn't become an objective in the story. "We need to steal thing x from bad guy in order to defeat him and save the day" is too cliché.
The Macguffin flute! :D
Quote from: Scorpio on Jun 22, 2018, 08:02:23 PM
How do you know that they exist in our universe? They could come from a parallel universe. And yes, this is possible according to physics.
The sheer size and density of our entire universe, and the sheer voracity of life in Earth, not to mention the chemical make up of all life on Earth being made of such common material makes it pretty much impossible that there aren't hundreds of thousands, maybe even closer to tens of millions, of planets with life, or planets that once had life. (Mars has some spooky indications of just what it might have been, same for Venus.)
There's at least one moon all the way out by Saturn which could be teaming with all kinds of strange life, at least two of the Jovian moons are candidates for life.
Quote from: whiterabbit on Jun 22, 2018, 09:07:00 PM
When did AVPGalaxy transform into the History Channel?
What's wrong with the History Channel? Is it the fact that the main host of the show in question has a eccentric appearance and mannerisms, that would launch thousands of memes ridiculing him. You don't think he was deliberately chosen by the producers for that fact, so you would all get played and come to the common consensus that such beliefs are ridiculous? People are so easy to manipulate.
I'd have to answer that with a definitive maybe.
On topic, for a minute anyway, as much vitril as I spew for the prequels, I do have to give Scott credit for always ruminating. His problem isn't that he hasn't got anything to say, it's that he has so much to say that he ends up going off on tangents and digressions and it really shows. Since, what, 2011, 2010, he's been actively fiddling on and off with prequel stuff, and his intended directions have changed so many times. It's messy, it's chaotic, but hey, at least he's thinking, contemplating.
Quote from: Scorpio on Jun 23, 2018, 01:30:39 AM
Quote from: whiterabbit on Jun 22, 2018, 09:07:00 PM
When did AVPGalaxy transform into the History Channel?
What's wrong with the History Channel? Is it the fact that the main host of the show in question has a eccentric appearance and mannerisms, that would launch thousands of memes ridiculing him. You don't think he was deliberately chosen by the producers for that fact, so you would all get played and come to the common consensus that such beliefs are ridiculous? People are so easy to manipulate.
I'm genuinely sorry but I couldn't resist.
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Quote from: OpenMaw on Jun 23, 2018, 01:41:34 AM
On topic, for a minute anyway, as much vitril as I spew for the prequels, I do have to give Scott credit for always ruminating. His problem isn't that he hasn't got anything to say, it's that he has so much to say that he ends up going off on tangents and digressions and it really shows. Since, what, 2011, 2010, he's been actively fiddling on and off with prequel stuff, and his intended directions have changed so many times. It's messy, it's chaotic, but hey, at least he's thinking, contemplating.
In my mind, Ridley can't make another Alien because that was a perfect storm. However, at least he isn't doing more of the same (just another monster flick). I mean, he could have played safe by making a Cameronesque film to please a lot of people. But he chose to tell a different story instead, and beyond performance, his ideas are ambitious.
Quote from: Scorpio on Jun 23, 2018, 01:30:39 AM
Quote from: whiterabbit on Jun 22, 2018, 09:07:00 PM
When did AVPGalaxy transform into the History Channel?
What's wrong with the History Channel? Is it the fact that the main host of the show in question has a eccentric appearance and mannerisms, that would launch thousands of memes ridiculing him. You don't think he was deliberately chosen by the producers for that fact, so you would all get played and come to the common consensus that such beliefs are ridiculous? People are so easy to manipulate.
Oh man, the joke totally flew over your head even with all the talk about Hitler in this thread. The History Channel is more like the Hitler Channel in that half it's programming is Hitler related.
Ridley should focus on making "An Alien Story" movies. Parker needs his story told. Find out all that talk about partying was actually for the party he was going to throw the sick kids at the local hospital.
I don't even know who Hitler is, but I'm getting kind of bored of him. But apparently you're a Nazi/racist and love Hitler if you don't buy into all this Hollywood/media propaganda. Excuse me a minute while I go wash my swastikas.
Quote from: OpenMaw on Jun 23, 2018, 01:41:34 AM
...I do have to give Scott credit for always ruminating. His problem isn't that he hasn't got anything to say, it's that he has so much to say that he ends up going off on tangents and digressions and it really shows. Since, what, 2011, 2010, he's been actively fiddling on and off with prequel stuff, and his intended directions have changed so many times. It's messy, it's chaotic, but hey, at least he's thinking, contemplating.
In the
Legend making-of, screenwriter William "Gatz" Hjortsberg says this about working with Scott:
QuoteAnyway, it was always this challenge, 'cause he was always pushing the script in different directions. And at one point he calls me into his office and he'd been reading the script over. So we were calling Jack, "Green Jack" 'cause he was a Green Man. There are Green Man pubs all over England, and they refer to these guys that wore leaves and live in the forest. So at this point, Ridley, his imagination is going in high gear and he says to me, "Well, Gatz," he says, "What would you think if we made Jack green?"
So I said, "You mean, like, with a green skin?"
And he goes, "Yes, yes! A green skin!"
Now my mind is reeling. The implications of this are enormous to me, 'cause it's like, you change one element in the script...
So I said, "You mean like a chameleon?"
"Yes! Exactly, a chameleon!"
And I said, "You mean, sort of like lizard-boy Jack?"
"That's it, lizard-boy Jack!"
And so I said, "Yeah, that's very interesting. But how are we going to explain to the audience why this delicate princess is in love with the lizard boy?"
And Ridley goes, "Right. f**k me... Drop it. Forget it... bit rangey there, a bit dodgy... Forget it."
And that was it.
And I left the office thinking, man this guy is so free wheeling in the course of filmmaking that he will go full bore in any direction just to see where it will take him.
LOL!
TC
:laugh:
I'd never thought flutes would make a thread so rich and amusing.
Plus, is there a shitty flute version of the Alien theme somewhere?
Quote from: TC on Jun 23, 2018, 09:41:38 AM
Quote from: OpenMaw on Jun 23, 2018, 01:41:34 AM
...I do have to give Scott credit for always ruminating. His problem isn't that he hasn't got anything to say, it's that he has so much to say that he ends up going off on tangents and digressions and it really shows. Since, what, 2011, 2010, he's been actively fiddling on and off with prequel stuff, and his intended directions have changed so many times. It's messy, it's chaotic, but hey, at least he's thinking, contemplating.
In the Legend making-of, screenwriter William "Gatz" Hjortsberg says this about working with Scott:
QuoteAnyway, it was always this challenge, 'cause he was always pushing the script in different directions. And at one point he calls me into his office and he'd been reading the script over. So we were calling Jack, "Green Jack" 'cause he was a Green Man. There are Green Man pubs all over England, and they refer to these guys that wore leaves and live in the forest. So at this point, Ridley, his imagination is going in high gear and he says to me, "Well, Gatz," he says, "What would you think if we made Jack green?"
So I said, "You mean, like, with a green skin?"
And he goes, "Yes, yes! A green skin!"
Now my mind is reeling. The implications of this are enormous to me, 'cause it's like, you change one element in the script...
So I said, "You mean like a chameleon?"
"Yes! Exactly, a chameleon!"
And I said, "You mean, sort of like lizard-boy Jack?"
"That's it, lizard-boy Jack!"
And so I said, "Yeah, that's very interesting. But how are we going to explain to the audience why this delicate princess is in love with the lizard boy?"
And Ridley goes, "Right. f**k me... Drop it. Forget it... bit rangey there, a bit dodgy... Forget it."
And that was it.
And I left the office thinking, man this guy is so free wheeling in the course of filmmaking that he will go full bore in any direction just to see where it will take him.
LOL!
TC
Now that gave me a laugh!
Being creative in film making is always good IMO but without restraint you get chaos. If only the prequels had someone questioning his ideas like this guy did, I really wonder what we would've gotten in the end.
The lizard idea is cool, Tom Cruise is probably a lizard anyway so if the shoe fits. Ridley the man.
Quote from: Scorpio on Jun 21, 2018, 09:27:33 PM
Modern science is as much a religious, agenda-driven, profit maximising enterprise as organised religion. Putting your faith in 'science' is the same as putting your faith in anything else.
Everybody has different beliefs. And of those, many (like you) believe their beliefs are superior. A kind of fascism. To walk around with the attitude "my beliefs are superior to yours". Just like every authoritarian ideology.
Your truth is different to my truth, respect that people have different beliefs to yours and yours aren't superior. Don't mean to preach as I have been guilty of the same, but it's time to break out of this egoism and mental conditioning.
Not to say that there aren't harmful ideologies out there, particularly when they become institutionalised. Such as the current virtue signalling/racism going on, as part of a global agenda to demonise 'white people'. I say 'global agenda' because it is happening in country after country all around the world, at the same time. Which sounds, at least to me, that it might be a bit more than just a coincidence.
Quote from: Scorpio on Jun 21, 2018, 10:24:02 PM
What if they do have proof and they're just not releasing it to the public?
Quote from: Scorpio on Jun 22, 2018, 04:42:30 AM
I need to eat to sustain this physical shell, which is not who I am, but is the avatar I use to interact in this reality. Just like the avatar I use on this forum, is not really who I am. Because what we are is consciousness.
Some of the worse bait I've seen on this forum.
Its quite sad really.
It's paranoid delusion, it's really sad- it's pathetic.
Quote from: TC on Jun 23, 2018, 09:41:38 AM
In the Legend making-of, screenwriter William "Gatz" Hjortsberg says this about working with Scott:
QuoteAnyway, it was always this challenge, 'cause he was always pushing the script in different directions. And at one point he calls me into his office and he'd been reading the script over. So we were calling Jack, "Green Jack" 'cause he was a Green Man. There are Green Man pubs all over England, and they refer to these guys that wore leaves and live in the forest. So at this point, Ridley, his imagination is going in high gear and he says to me, "Well, Gatz," he says, "What would you think if we made Jack green?"
So I said, "You mean, like, with a green skin?"
And he goes, "Yes, yes! A green skin!"
Now my mind is reeling. The implications of this are enormous to me, 'cause it's like, you change one element in the script...
So I said, "You mean like a chameleon?"
"Yes! Exactly, a chameleon!"
And I said, "You mean, sort of like lizard-boy Jack?"
"That's it, lizard-boy Jack!"
And so I said, "Yeah, that's very interesting. But how are we going to explain to the audience why this delicate princess is in love with the lizard boy?"
And Ridley goes, "Right. f**k me... Drop it. Forget it... bit rangey there, a bit dodgy... Forget it."
And that was it.
And I left the office thinking, man this guy is so free wheeling in the course of filmmaking that he will go full bore in any direction just to see where it will take him.
LOL!
TC
:laugh:
There was some crazy stuff in the earlier Blade Runner scripts as well. At one point Deckard and Leon sits down together for a drink at a bar where Leon introduces Deckard to his pet cockroaches. The Bradbury also had this "barnyard loft". Basically an apartment that had been converted into a farm replete with chickens, pigs etc. And Sebastian was supposed to drive around in an ambulance which he used to rescue stray robotic animals. At one point a talking mouse was also supposed to appear in Sebastian's apartment and offer some kind of wacky commentary.
And then there was of course Ridley's preferred ending for Alien:
QuoteScott: Wouldn't it be great if the Alien comes out the wall, comes out the box, Sigourney gets the suit on, the thing comes at her, she gets the space gun and shoots him in the chest, and he goes out through the door but it makes no difference, he just rips the harpoon out of his chest, comes forward, and this thing can rips through the visor, tears her head off and basically kills her?"
Gordon Carroll: "wow, that's a great idea"
Gordon Carroll: "And then what"
Scott: "Well, then what? You got the desk with all the buttons.
And then this hand comes in and starts you know, pausing over the buttons, taking them all in, big shadow of the great head, ok. And then the hand, tap tap, tap, tap tap tap, so we have intelligence. You even hear the creak and he'll then do quite a good interpretation of Dallas or Ripley's voice, comes from this creature behind you which has been listening to Dallas or listening to her, maybe, maybe copying her voice and does the last signing off speech saying `hopefully the network system will pick me up, this is Lieutenant Ripley da da da, signing off, hopefully you'll pick me up, cut into space and see this capsule shooting into space towards Earth with an alien in it. Ok?
When Ridley told Fox about this idea they threatened to fire him.
Wasn't he drunk or something when he came up with that one, though?
He was, but he's usually drunk when doing stories anyway.
Quote from: TC on Jun 23, 2018, 09:41:38 AM
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And I left the office thinking, man this guy is so free wheeling in the course of filmmaking that he will go full bore in any direction just to see where it will take him.
;D
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Jun 23, 2018, 04:26:43 PM
And then there was of course Ridley's preferred ending for Alien:
QuoteScott:
And then this hand comes in and starts you know, pausing over the buttons, taking them all in, big shadow of the great head, ok. And then the hand, tap tap, tap, tap tap tap, so we have intelligence. You even hear the creak and he'll then do quite a good interpretation of Dallas or Ripley's voice, comes from this creature behind you which has been listening to Dallas or listening to her, maybe, maybe copying her voice and does the last signing off speech saying `hopefully the network system will pick me up, this is Lieutenant Ripley da da da, signing off, hopefully you'll pick me up, cut into space and see this capsule shooting into space towards Earth with an alien in it. Ok?
When Ridley told Fox about this idea they threatened to fire him.
Isn't this idea used in other movies later on? Because it sounds pretty familiar.
I think I would've been ok with it.
Quote from: tleilaxu on Jun 23, 2018, 12:13:44 PM
Some of the worse bait I've seen on this forum.
That's some tasty bait right there.
If it's bait, it's not intentional.
Quote from: Crazy Shrimp on Jun 23, 2018, 05:18:03 AM
Quote from: OpenMaw on Jun 23, 2018, 01:41:34 AM
On topic, for a minute anyway, as much vitril as I spew for the prequels, I do have to give Scott credit for always ruminating. His problem isn't that he hasn't got anything to say, it's that he has so much to say that he ends up going off on tangents and digressions and it really shows. Since, what, 2011, 2010, he's been actively fiddling on and off with prequel stuff, and his intended directions have changed so many times. It's messy, it's chaotic, but hey, at least he's thinking, contemplating.
In my mind, Ridley can't make another Alien because that was a perfect storm.
This is very important imo. "Alien" and "Aliens" remain in the top 10 box office science fiction/horror movies without being adjusted for inflation.
That cannot be repeated.
WhY?
Some things happened;
- Spielberg's kind of optimistic science fiction with "ET" and "Close Encounters" became the darling of the critics while a dystopia/SF horror film like "The Thing" was trashed by critics and bombed at the box office.
- Horror morphed into simple setups, the house/neighborhood is haunted, with jump scares. Those are cheap to make and the mass audience likes that.
- Science fiction has become more CGI loaded with the Star Wars prequels and the Transformers films which indicate what the mass audience wants.
Quote from: Crazy Shrimp on Jun 23, 2018, 05:18:03 AM
However, at least he isn't doing more of the same (just another monster flick). I mean, he could have played safe by making a Cameronesque film to please a lot of people. But he chose to tell a different story instead, and beyond performance, his ideas are ambitious.
Yes. Ridley is trying to make "slow burn" science fiction adventure/horror movies when the rest of the film world is about explosions / non stop action.
Scott is referencing "2001", "Blade Runner", "The Thing" (the story "Who Goes There"), Dr. Frankenstein, Jurassic Park, classic Agatha Christie mystery stories and so on.
There is a lot more to chew on with what Ridley has done compared with simple good guy vs bad guy let's fight stories or an hour of ghost jump scares.
* I'm not criticizing those simple story movies (and I include the superhero films which glut theaters as part of this).
That's what the mass audience wants. Fine with me.
* But there are always a few of us who would like something more to think about when going to see a film. "Inception", "Arrival", and "Blade Runner: 2049" gave the viewer some things to ponder.
With the prequels Ridley has that complexity in terms of ideas and with an expanded world. And he has been able to add Giger inspired monsters to the story mix.
;)
Scott's not going for slow burn. He knows audiences don't have the patience any more.
To his credit both Blade Runner and it's sequel BR2049 no matter how critically successful financially are indicators that he's correct.
I personally can't think of a modern horror similar to Alien in pace and tone that's been financially successful recently, all of those I can think of have a cult following and aren't usually terribly well known.
What really fits that mold though?
Moon? Arrival? ... I'm not even sure we've had an "Alien" for a long time.
Quote from: SiL on Jul 26, 2018, 10:08:13 PM
He knows audiences don't have the patience any more.
I think that's a false assumption. They haven't tried in a long time. Anytime they start off with that intention they chicken out.
On the other hand, films like Babadook and Hereditary fit that mold and they were very successful. Though those are just horror films.
Quote from: OpenMaw on Jul 27, 2018, 04:22:55 PM
What really fits that mold though?
Moon? Arrival? ... I'm not even sure we've had an "Alien" for a long time.
True, I am having difficulty conjuring anything to mind that lives and breathes in the same space.
Life didn't do terribly well, Covenant was a disappointment. And flicks like Babadook and Hereditary didn't make much either - though both of those had the luxury of very small budgets so turned a profit.
When I think back to the 1980s when there were a bunch of films mimicking Alien and Aliens and these days - there's next to nothing. The audience for this sort of thing is limited and if you're going to make a scary movie - it's best to do it with the smallest budget you can get away with which eliminates a lot of expensive science fictiony special effects.
Life didn't do well because it sucked.
So did a lot of Alien knockoffs that still turned a buck.
Quote from: SiL on Jul 26, 2018, 10:08:13 PM
Scott's not going for slow burn. He knows audiences don't have the patience any more.
Well, I'll describe the "Alien" prequels as slower burn then.
There were moments in "Covenant", with David talking quite a lot. which reminded me of "The Thing" and even old Vincent Price explanation scenes in haunted house films.
And in "Prometheus", where only David is awake wandering in the silence of the space ship, reminded me of "Alien" and a bit of "2001".
Certainly slower than an increasingly popular opening where the villain and the good guys are set up in the first few minutes
;)
Prometheus is slower than Covenant. We're just a shade over the 1 hour mark in Prometheus when Fifield and Millburn are getting attacked. By the same point in Covenant, Faris, Ledward, Karine, Ankor and Hallett are dead and they're already at the city calling for help.
Yeah, Covenant did not feel like a slow burner. The begging third had a slower pace than the rest of the movie, but standalone it wasn't that slow. The last third felt rushed to me.
Quote from: bb-15 on Jul 28, 2018, 01:57:42 AM
Quote from: SiL on Jul 26, 2018, 10:08:13 PM
Scott's not going for slow burn. He knows audiences don't have the patience any more.
Well, I'll describe the "Alien" prequels as slower burn then.
There were moments in "Covenant", with David talking quite a lot. which reminded me of "The Thing" and even old Vincent Price explanation scenes in haunted house films.
And in "Prometheus", where only David is awake wandering in the silence of the space ship, reminded me of "Alien" and a bit of "2001".
Certainly slower than an increasingly popular opening where the villain and the good guys are set up in the first few minutes
;)
I agree.
His 2 most successful movies in terms of money(The Martian, Gladiator) are his fastest and most easy to understand to any people in this world.
" I have but one recommendation, lets change the flute to a saxophone. "
David playing the saxophone . Now THIS picture is giving me bad dreams for sure . Panic !
Makes me utterly witness each and every instance of panic , sure enough...
David playing some sweet jazz would be the greatest pleasure ever.
Quote from: CristianoRonaldo7 on Jul 29, 2018, 12:30:33 AM
Quote from: bb-15 on Jul 28, 2018, 01:57:42 AM
Quote from: SiL on Jul 26, 2018, 10:08:13 PM
Scott's not going for slow burn. He knows audiences don't have the patience any more.
Well, I'll describe the "Alien" prequels as slower burn then.
There were moments in "Covenant", with David talking quite a lot. which reminded me of "The Thing" and even old Vincent Price explanation scenes in haunted house films.
And in "Prometheus", where only David is awake wandering in the silence of the space ship, reminded me of "Alien" and a bit of "2001".
Certainly slower than an increasingly popular opening where the villain and the good guys are set up in the first few minutes
;)
I agree.
His 2 most successful movies in terms of money(The Martian, Gladiator) are his fastest and most easy to understand to any people in this world.
Yes. On the old/deleted IMDb "Prometheus" Board all the haters of that film liked "The Martian".
It was all about a simple narrative which doesn't lose the mass audience, with a quick pace.
- Ridley going artsy with the Alien prequels works for me but I realize I'm in the minority in terms of most movie goers.
The biggest/recent Disney Marvel films probably fit the wider audience the best. From the beginning, clear heroes/villains. Everything is explained. The basic plot is pretty much known before the movie even starts.
- And I think that kind of formula works for Star Wars.
- With Alien movies? I prefer Scott's approach. Even the flute I found interesting.
;)
Prometheus and Covenant both have very simple narratives. There's nothing artsy or complex about either plot.
Artsy doesn't have to equal crap (Prometheus); but it can indeed make films that are both excellent and perplexing to the average audience.
(Under The Skin, Mulholland Drive)
Keep Alien weird.
Quote from: SiL on Jul 31, 2018, 08:31:49 PM
Prometheus and Covenant both have very simple narratives. There's nothing artsy or complex about either plot.
For you obviously it was simple. (For someone who appreciates art films such as from Fellini, Bergman, Kubrick, & Lynch, Ridley's artsy science fiction is pretty easy to follow.)
- But from over a 1000 of discussions I've had about "Prometheus" on IMDb many viewers didn't understand lots of it.
We are not all the same in terms of our experiences and film knowledge. The viewer brings that with them when they watch a movie.
- For instance I know about Agatha Christie's "And then There Were None" which was a very influential in the mystery/horror genre.
I immediately recognized in "Prometheus" that the Weyland character (with David as an accomplice) was patterned after the killer in Agatha Christie's story.
For lots of people they didn't have a clue about what was going on with Weyland because it wasn't spelled out enough for them.
Quote from: The Old One on Jul 31, 2018, 08:45:18 PM
Artsy doesn't have to equal crap (Prometheus); but it can indeed make films that are both excellent and perplexing to the average audience.
(Under The Skin, Mulholland Drive)
Keep Alien weird.
For my taste I found "Under The Skin" easy to follow and ultimately I was bored with it. The director used visuals/accents to obscure a simple story about aliens trapping humans for food (and where an alien seems to be having a bad day).
"Mulholland Drive" is brilliant in its dream sequences but adapting that style to hard science fiction requires a lot more solid narrative.
An example would be "2001" where artsy elements are injected into sections which are grounded in a fairly clear story.
An example of popular / mainstream science fiction is to look at Spielberg's science fiction, "Minority Report" or "Jurassic Park" where everything is spelled out.
Contrast that with "Blade Runner" (Director's Cut) or "Prometheus" where the reasons for events often are not spelled out.
;)
Blade Runner the original yes, but Prometheus' vagueness in major part comes from throwing disparate and sometimes contradictory elements at the wall to see what sticks, it lets the viewer make something worthwhile of the story.
The problem is with Prometheus these elements don't follow a through line like in Blade Runner, that are logically entertwined in the world it presents.
Despite Prometheus' failure to be a well written Blade Runner/ 2001 equivalent in the Alien mythology.
I still think it's more admirable to try using Alien to make more of an "arthouse" subtle, film rather than making something more straightforward.
Quote from: The Old One on Jul 31, 2018, 10:19:32 PM
I still think it's more admirable to try using Alien to make more of an "arthouse" subtle, film rather than making something more straightforward.
We've had 2 admirable tries. I want to be able to say "damn that was a good Alien movie" again. :)
It's possible to do both.
I don't want Alien to become the superhero genre as it is currently, where I can look at a trailer and go;
"That looks good, it'll probably be alright; I feel like I've already seen it."
Alien has always had creative auteurs behind the camera at it's best. The worst thing it could do would be to go the focus group, safe route.
Quote from: The Old One on Jul 31, 2018, 10:19:32 PM
Despite Prometheus' failure to be a well written Blade Runner/ 2001 equivalent in the Alien mythology.
I still think it's more admirable to try using Alien to make more of an "arthouse" subtle, film rather than making something more straightforward.
Agreed. "Prometheus" is not at the level of "Blade Runner" or "2001" (which I rank very high in my science fiction film list).
- But the answers and questions presented in "Prometheus" opened up the Alien franchise in terms of story ideas.
It gets the franchise out of basing films on monster hunts.
Quote from: The Old One on Jul 31, 2018, 10:19:32 PM
Blade Runner the original yes,
That's another debate which I don't want to go too far with; which is better, "Blade Runner" theatrical cut or Director's Cut.
Not surprisingly for my taste I prefer the Director's Cut.
But when I first introduce "Blade Runner" to someone, I play the theatrical cut because the narration does so much guiding of the audience making the film more accessible.
Quote from: The Old One on Jul 31, 2018, 10:19:32 PMbut Prometheus' vagueness in major part comes from throwing disparate and sometimes contradictory elements at the wall to see what sticks, it lets the viewer make something worthwhile of the story.
Partly true imo.
"Jurassic Park" also has different elements; two introduction scenes and a character who gets lost on an island he has worked at for years which has one road splitting into two roads.
- What's the difference? Spielberg has "Jurassic Park" explain everything all the way through the film. Nedrey in detail is shown getting lost.
The dialogue from the game keeper, Nedrey, the Mr. DNA cartoon, Dr. Grant, Malcolm and Dr. Sadler predict and explain the movie.
- With all of that help, the audience doesn't have to work to follow "Jurassic Park".
- But with science fiction (except for "The Martian") Ridley does not use that very explained style.
Quote from: The Old One on Jul 31, 2018, 10:19:32 PM
The problem is with Prometheus these elements don't follow a through line like in Blade Runner, that are logically entertwined in the world it presents.
Well, "Prometheus" is showing a bigger world than "Blade Runner".
Still "Blade Runner" has story ideas which are also used in "Prometheus".
- Role reversal;
BR; Roy Batty starts as a villain and becomes a hero.
BR; Tyrell begins as a just a CEO and later seems more like a villain.
Pro; Weyland starts as a benevolent company leader and becomes a villain.
- Human traits and AI;
BR; To the viewer Rachel begins as a human but she turns out to be artificially created.
It is also strongly hinted in the Director's Cut that Deckard is a replicant.
Pro; David starts as a fairly emotionless android but he has more human traits like holding a grudge (when he poisons Holloway). "Covenant" expands on David's emotions.
** Finally, I came across a video of old "Alien" sequel ideas from 1979/early 80s. (See below.)
It looks like Jon Spaihts reviewed these story concepts and put them in his "Prometheus" scripts.
(Part of the crew is stranded in the Derelict while weathering a storm, they are attacked by aliens and Space Jockeys make an appearance.)
;)
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=S2Dr5LtaQRM&t=525s
Blade Runner The Final Cut is Blade Runner perfected.
No other cut of Blade Runner should be bothered with IMO.
They're all attempts to reach a vision, which the Final Cut is the culmination of.