The whole planet part was really well done.
More the hive fight not really killing Jesse herself.
And the pred alien fight wasn't bad either. Marines would have helped the film in space but that was down to the writer I guess..
Yeah, i liked the pred planet and Wolf.
Right, I had such hope after watching that scene. Then it's time to just turn off the movie after he blasts off.
I get the sense with that Predator planet scene, is the movie the Strause Bros really wanted to make.
I think if they had the freedom and the budget, they would have given us something cool, but the biggest enemy of these movies is studio politics.
At least now the franchise is getting some of the Disney cash ;D
The planet scene was great. Wolfs investigation of the crashed ship was fun to watch also. There are three mini moments that really stand out to me as well.
1. After jesse's death, when the Predalien speared ricky with its tail. Right after dallas opens fire on it, there's a half second during the shot change when you see down the dimly lit hallway past the injured ricky, and the Predaliens tail flies through a door and out of sight as it escapes into the depths of the hospital. That's my favorite shot of the whole movie. Perfectly executed alien moment. It's just scary as hell.
2. When wolf is seen by the deputy, and his eyes shine in those dark woods. Terrifying. I think that's as close a moment to the original film as we've gotten since.
3. When wolf adds the extra gun inside the ship, and they both retract behind him. Because it was just so cool.
Honorable mention for the "bootyshot" ;)
The opening with the Father and Son going hunting and stumbling across facehuggers is pretty cool. Facehuggers don't get used enough, so it's good we got to see some more facehugger action. I don't even mind seeing a kid get hugged, because that's what they do.
Unfortunately after that scene and then the Predator planet scene and we cut to the town, the movie goes downhill fast, but I won't get into negatives since this is a positivity thread. If they set the entire film just in the forest I think it would have been better.
It's clear the Strause Bros were trying to make a movie that was a combination of Aliens and Predator (what many fans would want for their ideal AVP movie).
-The scenes in the woods are clearly inspired from Predator
-The power plant is a stand in for the Atmosphere Processor
-The town may as well be a colony
-The military vehicle standing in for the APC
-Instead of the marines we have the National Guard
-Dallas/Kelly/Molly = Hicks/Ripley/Newt
I still don't think it is that bad of a movie. Aside from the obvious pizza porno part and the horribly dark transfer.
Agreed, my favorite moments of all the movies are when we get to see longer glimpses of the preds when they're not actively hunting.
I like how Kelly grabbed Molly and ran for it as if their lives were on the line. None of that crying or screaming bullshit.
That was yet another missed opportunity. Mother 'abandons' daughter and husband in favour of her career. Then abandons her husband again to the Alien.
How was she going to save him? Also she didn't abandon her family in favor of her career. Some jobs just have different requirements. Which is why it's call a sacrifice for the greater good. Hell abandon is for when you never come back or ditch someone for the newer model and refuse to make support payments.
Hence the quote marks around 'adandons'.
But tell that to a little girls whose perspective is 'Mum would rather be away from me than with me'.
It would've added a modicum of depth to the characters if they explored Molly's feelings about her absent mother and Kelly's feelings of guilt, and how they reconcile over the course of the story.
Alright I see your point but that would have added another 20 minutes to a monster-smash movie. But yea cut out the pizza teen porn part and put that in and it would have been a better movie. A missed opportunity yes but at the same time I doubt people would have been any more happy with the final product.
Aliens stands out above other generic 80s action flicks, partly because of the relationship between Ripley and Newt.
AvP:R barely goes for 100 minutes in the extended cut. Some development of Molly and Kelly is not going to take 20 minutes. Barely five minutes would've been an improvement.
Just five minutes would have doubled the movies greatness? Actually it probably might have. :)
Five minutes of characterization, sure.
I didn't say it'd double it.
But we are starting from a very low base. ;D
Alright I'll play, what's the next thing that AVPr could have done to double it's character once again?
Although I think we're still digging for the base at the moment. :laugh:
Two times zero is still zero ;D
Given the nature of the script, I doubt a bit of character development would have helped. Speaking about the "abandon scene", the father does say run but one would think that a military trained woman would have at least tried something before realizing saving him is futile, of course her first thought in that scene was probably protecting her daughter, which in most cases is a strong instinct.
The only good thing I can say in AVPR was Wolf's design and the whip weapon.
When the facehuggers goes into the sewer, there was a missed opportunity as there was a dog in there. They could have added a Runner into the mix....though with the way Xenos were treated in this film, it would have been screwed up.
Oh man the Predalien bitch slapping the alien in the sewer really did neuter the creature. Although later in the film when the Predalien orders an alien to attack with a mere finger point like some goon from a mobster movie, now that was hilarious. Although considering how many dogs would be found in any American city, there should have been Runners everywhere.
QuoteSpeaking about the "abandon scene", the father does say run but one would think that a military trained woman would have at least tried something before realizing saving him is futile, of course her first thought in that scene was probably protecting her daughter, which in most cases is a strong instinct.
The kid is not going to see it that way though. At least not right away. They had the pieces in place for a more interesting relationship - then never followed through.
In the reinstated graveyard scene Molly does ask Kelly why she abandoned him.
And then crazy guy showed up and that was that.
But no follow through.
I wonder why they cut that scene? Seemed perfectly appropriate for this sort of film. You see the Predator doing it's Pred-vision thing, killing an armed opponent and not an unarmed one. Maybe because Molly raises a very good question that's never answered...
Well I sure can't wait for the sequel to answer that question. Come on AVP3 don't let us down.
I liked the music, of course I heard it all before int he other scores, and I liked Wolf's design.
The rest is butt poop.
I actually really liked Tyler's score. It worked pretty well. It was a nice combination of the other scores and the newer bombastic stuff was fantastic.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Apr 03, 2018, 07:58:01 AM
I actually really liked Tyler's score. It worked pretty well. It was a nice combination of the other scores and the newer bombastic stuff was fantastic.
Unfortunately, it was just a rip off of X-ray Dog and such. It was basically non-vocal New Gothic Power.
Tyler did the best he could with what he got, he is a decent composer, he just gets a lot of bad movies :(
I liked the National Guard scene. It's just a throwback to Aliens, but I mean, just seeing Aliens killing Soldiers is cool.
Quote from: PsyKore on May 08, 2018, 11:39:37 AM
I liked the National Guard scene. It's just a throwback to Aliens, but I mean, just seeing Aliens killing Soldiers is cool.
It's a very underrated movie. If you break it down piece by piece, there was actually a lot of cool stuff to see there. Cool sets, lots of action, lots of creatures, and a Predator that was nobody's friend. Easily the best of the two, in my opinion. Although I do enjoy the uncut versions of both very much. For such low budgets, they sure were fun movies. Nothing wrong with a good popcorn flick. I hope we see a lot more of these from Disney in the future.
I love the scene where the Pred eye flashes and cloaks in front of Ray. It's topped off by using the original sound effect from P1 of the wrist blades coming out.
And I'll always be grateful to the Strauses for binning Anderson's 'improved' look and returning to the original Pred heat vision and sound effects. They are such a staple of the character and I hope Shane Black recognises that too.
Quote from: TheBATMAN on May 08, 2018, 08:19:46 PM
I love the scene where the Pred eye flashes and cloaks in front of Ray. It's topped off by using the original sound effect from P1 of the wrist blades coming out.
One of the best shots of the movie.
Quote from: PsyKore on May 08, 2018, 11:39:37 AM
I liked the National Guard scene. It's just a throwback to Aliens, but I mean, just seeing Aliens killing Soldiers is cool.
I didn't see shit.
And that shot of the guy walking up to check out the car - but not noticing the Alien right next to him was beyond moronic.
I like that people can't spell the title.
Quote from: Wweyland on May 08, 2018, 10:03:10 PM
I like that people can't spell the title.
I liked the look and movements of Wolf (aside from the unmasked face which was barely better than the previous film.)
I also like the scene where the girl gets pinned to a wall by the predator shuriken. That was a cool effect and it changed my mind on the weapon itself. Originally I felt like it was a poor replacement for the disc but its grown on me.
Quote from: SM on May 08, 2018, 09:30:18 PM
I didn't see shit.
And that shot of the guy walking up to check out the car - but not noticing the Alien right next to him was beyond moronic.
Yeah, the comparison between it and Aliens is very rudimentary. Aliens is twenty times better executed in every way. The setup, the tension, the follow through, the characters we've come to like up to this point being both observers and in the thick of it. Watching as all control slips away from the human characters and the Aliens stir to life.
That shot with the soldier looking in the window is so clearly the Strause Bros trying ot do a shot similar to Dietrich's death, but the shot in Aliens is just so much more damn effective and cool. That son of a bitch is right there in the wall! Holy sh*t!
Listening to Mark Rolston talk about when that scene first screened in the theater and how the audience just stood up... Man I would have loved to see Aliens back in 86 on the big screen.
Predator 2 ripped off the Aliens scene much better.
That it did.
Cool scenes of soldiers shooting at the xenos should be a franchise staple at this point.
By the way, Sam Trammell did a great job as the father.
If you just edit the movie from the predator's point of view, the movie might work. As a teenage drama, it doesn't work. Although, I don't think Johnny Lewis is a bad actor playing a troubled kid, he turned out to be troubled in real life. The other actors did not do very good with the script they were given (I don't blame them), but it would work perfectly if it was from the predator's point of view.
You could edit it down, cut out the teenage drama stuff. "Who ordered the meatlovers".. just putrid dialogue and scenes.
If the movie was just about the predator going to the town and dealing with the aliens, you wouldn't have this problem. Would be a fun b-movie like Critters 2. Maybe the predator could even use pizza boy as bait for aliens.
You'd still have a Predator beating up in impotent Aliens.
It would every bit as devoid of interest or tension. Wolf's never in danger until the very, very end.
It's the only thing the script actually did better than the movie. Wolf was contending with the aliens, and not just walking through them.
The aliens being impotent thing doesn't bother me because AVP are spin-off films and not part of the Alien series of films which includes Alien 1-4 and the prequels. It's like the AVP video games and comics where most aliens are just cannon fodder for marines and predators.
I also like that AvP: Requiem makes the first movie look good.
Quote from: Wweyland on May 12, 2018, 06:59:26 PM
I also like that AvP: Requiem makes the first movie look good.
And come September, you're gonna like both of them a whole lot more. ;)
Quote from: Huggs on May 12, 2018, 07:07:04 PM
Quote from: Wweyland on May 12, 2018, 06:59:26 PM
I also like that AvP: Requiem makes the first movie look good.
And come September, you're gonna like both of them a whole lot more. ;)
I find it hard to believe that The Predator could be any worse than AvP: Requiem. I mean it won't be dark as shit for one thing and you can probably tell what is going on on the screen.
Quote from: Scorpio on May 12, 2018, 06:26:21 PM
The aliens being impotent thing doesn't bother me because AVP are spin-off films and not part of the Alien series of films which includes Alien 1-4 and the prequels. It's like the AVP video games and comics where most aliens are just cannon fodder for marines and predators.
It's a problem because it removes any tension or drama. If the threat isn't a threat, what's the point?
The tension and drama came from whether Wolf could stop the aliens in time. He could take out maybe half a dozen at a time easily by himself. But as you saw in the flashback scene in AVP, when there are thousands of them the predators stand no chance (except to nuke it from orbit but that's not their style).
Nuking the site when things get too much is literally their style.
When things get too much, yeah, but that's of last resort not first resort.
Right, by why do I care if Wolf nukes himself or not?
Considering the Aliens are useless throughout the story, the fact he can't keep them under control speaks volumes to his incompetence. I'm more than happy for him to blow himself up to fix a problem he should've been able to stop early on.
If the Aliens had been any kind of actual threat or menace it might be different, but they weren't. I can get behind a character struggling against seemingly insurmountable odds; I can't for one who's only struggling because they're shit at their job.
The bounty hunters in Critters 2 are pretty ineffective as well.
Quote from: SiL on May 13, 2018, 02:46:01 AM
Nuking the site when things get too much is literally their style.
On top of which, that's exactly what happened in the movie anyway, and it apparently solved the problem with ease.
No, having Wolf mop the aliens like a janitor was a huge failing of Requiem. The film would have at least been entertaining had Wolf actually gotten more scraped up fighting the aliens.
Some of this might have been helped had we seen Wolf employ new weapons that actually were designed to deal with a spreading alien population. Like the Predator equivalent of a plasma-fire bomb.
Would've been cool for him to improvise and fling one of them laser mines and have it activate in mid-air.
Quote from: Scorpio on May 13, 2018, 05:10:49 AM
The bounty hunters in Critters 2 are pretty ineffective as well.
Which has what to do with anything?
Listen, it's always a good idea to drop a Critters 2 reference in there.
Oh man I could go for some main course crittball in the next AVP-Requiem movie.
Still suicide nuking is pretty chicken shit and something that humans are already more than capable of doing ourselves. Be kinda neat if the predator actually aim his weapons himself. Sometimes I think when it throws the spear the spear is still somehow AI driven.
Quote from: whiterabbit on May 16, 2018, 08:26:25 AM
Oh man I could go for some main course crittball in the next AVP-Requiem movie.
Still suicide nuking is pretty chicken shit and something that humans are already more than capable of doing ourselves. Be kinda neat if the predator actually aim his weapons himself. Sometimes I think when it throws the spear the spear is still somehow AI driven.
The marksmanship is uncanny, especially coming from a species with such poor eyesight. Sure the mask helps a lot, but they're not at mammalian vision (or however you say it) yet. Well, maybe after this new movie they will be.
I haven't exactly dived all that deep into Predator biology but how good is there hearing? The best marksmen tend to have really good hearing. Much more important in close quarters combat than eyesight.
On topic one of the things that was nice with wolf was that he did give some aliens a royal beat down. Especially that one in the hospital that he straight up punches to death. From the teaser of The Predator the one shown seems to be a lot more agile than the predecessors. Kind of like Micheal Keatons bat suit vs Bales The Dark Knight bat suit or Big Chap vs the Aliens from Covenant.
They're pretty straight analogies for humans. We're kind of middle of the road for sight and sound so we use technology to give us a boost. So do they. We use binoculars, glasses, night-vision goggles; Predators wrap it all into one helmet. We use sensitive hearing instruments; Predators have a mask that can isolate a single person talking from a hundred meters away in the middle of an LA street.
That's entirely the point of them having the masks to begin with (well, that and breathing.)
Quote from: Wysps on May 17, 2018, 01:53:10 AM
but they're not at mammalian vision (or however you say it) yet.
What are you trying to say with "mammalian vision", though? Some mammals have absolutely terrible eyesight. Shit, some are literally blind.
Quote from: SiL on May 17, 2018, 09:04:05 AM
They're pretty straight analogies for humans. We're kind of middle of the road for sight and sound so we use technology to give us a boost. So do they. We use binoculars, glasses, night-vision goggles; Predators wrap it all into one helmet. We use sensitive hearing instruments; Predators have a mask that can isolate a single person talking from a hundred meters away in the middle of an LA street.
That's entirely the point of them having the masks to begin with (well, that and breathing.)
Quote from: Wysps on May 17, 2018, 01:53:10 AM
but they're not at mammalian vision (or however you say it) yet.
What are you trying to say with "mammalian vision", though? Some mammals have absolutely terrible eyesight. Shit, some are literally blind.
I have no idea what I'm trying to say :laugh: Maybe I was thinking vision more along the lines of primates. But I will say, from an evolutionary perspective, there'd have to be some sort of compensation for their poor eyesight. Like whiterabbit mentioned, maybe excellent hearing? Predators in the wild usually have some extremely acute sense that lets them dominate their environment. I mean, they had to get to the top somehow before their tech was founded.
Same way as humans: hunt in groups, use numbers, increased intelligence allowed for tool making that gave them advantages over time. They don't need to dominate (although judging by the movies they're excellent acrobats).
When I was younger I used to think the Predators heat vision would basically exclude them from being able to craft a space-faring society.
Then I learned just how blind humans are when you look at the spectrum. There's a lot of stuff that would be really great to see that we simply can't. Yet, here we are. Pretty advanced little monkeys.
Yea humans are pretty damn blind. I still remember the day I learned that we can't actually see anything aside from light. Turn off the light at night and everything goes dark. Everything we see is non absorbed reflected light. Well, hell, we don't actually see anything at all. What we perceive as vision is our brains interpretation of light. In truth the brain could draw any picture it wants. So what we see as Predator Vision might just be all our primitive little brains can compute.
Still the Predators are men in rubber suits with advance technology. They have gotta fix that "too human" part, I think.
Quote from: SiL on May 17, 2018, 09:04:05 AM
That's entirely the point of them having the masks to begin with (well, that and breathing.)
I don't think they need their mask for breathing, The Jungle Hunter did fine without one, and Royce and the group breathed fine on a planet that had an unmasked Predator strung up for days, so I think they breathe the same air as us. I think City Hunter needed that breathing device because he was sprayed with that chemical/nitrogen gun right in the face, which he probably inhaled and it messed with its lungs. I have heard some say its because its the city i.e polution and fumes.
That, and, ya know, being shot repeatedly with a shotgun at point blank range probably didn't do him any favors.
Quote from: whiterabbit on May 18, 2018, 09:08:13 AM
Yea humans are pretty damn blind. I still remember the day I learned that we can't actually see anything aside from light. Turn off the light at night and everything goes dark. Everything we see is non absorbed reflected light. Well, hell, we don't actually see anything at all. What we perceive as vision is our brains interpretation of light. In truth the brain could draw any picture it wants. So what we see as Predator Vision might just be all our primitive little brains can compute.
Still the Predators are men in rubber suits with advance technology. They have gotta fix that "too human" part, I think.
With you there, all the way.
I'm also not entirely convinced that they need their masks to actually breathe our air. I vaguely remember reading somewhere that their atmosphere has increased levels of nitrogen or something (I think it was in one of the AVP novels), but I don't believe it's canon per se. We see them running around, fighting and jumping without masks and not having any difficulty breathing, so it'd make sense if the masks are there just for added support if their o2 sats decrease during activity or like someone said, pollution.
If I had to guess, our atmosphere is probably like mountain air to them. Probably not as dense as they might be used to. That's a guess.
Quote from: OpenMaw on May 18, 2018, 04:50:10 PM
That, and, ya know, being shot repeatedly with a shotgun at point blank range probably didn't do him any favors.
Shotguns? air quality? Seriously, anybody that survives an attack by Gary Busey is gonna need oxygen and counseling. Don't mess with Big Daddy Pete :D
Requiem had quite a few good scenes featuring Wolf...but the small town setting and teen romance really dragged it down
Just had a re-watch of Requiem, well just the Wolf parts really, skipped over the human stuff.
The idea of the movie is actually quite terrifying in many ways. Xenos in suburbia, watching as a community full of people you know are suddenly being ripped to shreds by these nightmarish creatures and there's not a thing you can do. That is a scary concept but it is executed incredibly poorly in the film. Okay some power plant guy is killed whoop de doo. Those kids get killed at the pool, who were they again?
I feel this movie got the Predator right at least. He does some dumb things and deals with some truly brain-dead Xenos for opposition but he was presented well. A lone, experienced hunter that has the guts to walk right into a Xeno lair and invite them to come get him.
Shane Salerno didn't give a flying shit when he wrote the script for AVP2.
His characters were so ass. I'm sad to say the Brothers Strause only really improved on what he wrote.
The film would have benefitted from only having a few aliens, instead of hundreds and then(implied) thousands.
The premise for Wolf is solid. A predator on a mission to track down and kill the escaped aliens, and try to keep things quiet? Great! So you take that, and you make the battle become more and more desperate as the movie goes on. Wolf starts out geared to the nines. Takes some injuries, ends up with damaged equipment. Has to make do with dwindling resources, and the town becomes more and more aware of something bad going on. The aliens learn from their fallen brethern not to fall for the same traps and tricks. Maybe have the OWLF guys show up in the third act to try and capture Wolf...
Requiem didn't need to be a shit show, even with the limits put on the production by setting it in small town America and directly continuing from AVP.
Tim and Kelly were more interesting in the script. But we're starting from a low base and some of Molly's dialogue is beyond dire.
I'll confess that while I love AvP:R solely because of Wolf, I can never remember any of the humans' names! I actively forget their faces in between viewings.
They are rather... erm... oh what is it... oh, yes, forgettable.
What do ya mean? I loved that, uh...
Well, there was that, er...
I think the clock gave an excellent performance.
Quote from: OpenMaw on Jul 08, 2018, 10:54:19 PM
What do ya mean? I loved that, uh...
Well, there was that, er...
I think the clock gave an excellent performance.
Clock Schmock. Did you see those truck keys? My God. I haven't seen keys fall like that since terminator 2. It was majestic, yet gritty.
Not to make a jarring and abrupt tone shift but watching the film knowing how Mr Pizza boy's life came to an end certainly puts a taint on every scene he's in. I skip all the human dialogue scenes anyway but still.
Back to other things. Movies like this, nobody cares about the human characters but they'd never be greenlit unless they had them. You'd get a movie that's an hour shorter, with more time and money devoted to following the creatures you paid to (barely) see but you wouldn't get a Hollywood budget without people in it.
This movie's concept could have worked well purely following Wolf with humans just being incidental encounters he makes along the way. That or they could have just actually wrote characters to care about or hire more charismatic actors. King Willie has one scene in P2 and he's more memorable than half the rest of the series characters.
Not many people would want to watch a movie just with monsters fighting and nothing else. Even Godzilla movies have human characters in them, and if done right, it adds to the stakes.
And if it's the Emmerich one, you can't wait for Godzilla to step on all of them.
:laugh:
Or eat them.
Eating's too good for them.
Looking back the idea of Aliens invading a populated area is something we've wanted to see since Alien 3, and there was potential here for a small town to become an apocalyptic hellhole. But because of budget reasons I don't think we got the invasion we should have. Yeah lots of people died but too many evacuated in time. Plus it felt like a generic zombie invasion plot.
I did like quite a bit of the action, when you've got the brightness adjusted on your TV. The Alien jumping through the window was hilarious and brilliant, and who else wasn't cheering at the Predator killing the blonde? Of course I thought Wolf was fun to watch throughout just murdering Xenos, and the Predator planet was the best bit to see just for the return to the aesthetic of Predator 2 for me. And you've got some good designs again in the Predator's trophy gallery. Plus I did like the concept of the Predalien.
That was it for me in terms of positives, although I'll be controversial just for the hell of it. I kind of like the concept of the bellyburster. Yes, its disgusting, but after Covenant's bloodburster you remember these are sexual demons from the pits of hell, so I thought it was a good little concept that did make me want to throw up, but you can blame that on me being very nihilistic. :P
Quote from: ChanceVance on Jul 09, 2018, 10:04:12 AM
Back to other things. Movies like this, nobody cares about the human characters but they'd never be greenlit unless they had them. You'd get a movie that's an hour shorter, with more time and money devoted to following the creatures you paid to (barely) see but you wouldn't get a Hollywood budget without people in it.
That's because people approach "these" kind of movies with that attitude. Just write a good movie. Write good characters. How do you think we got the good characters in Alien, Aliens, Predator, Terminator, the original Halloween, Nightmare on Elm Street, and all the other classics of science fiction horror and fantasy. You just write a good script with solid characters.
QuoteYeah lots of people died but too many evacuated in time.
I think only four evacuated in time.
For all the shooting in Gilliam Circle at the end - all we see them shooting at is trees. They could've had a last stand scene there, then the PredAlien (may its name be forever cursed) screeches for help against the Predator and the Aliens withdraw and we think the townspeople might actually survive.
Then they get nuked.
Quote from: SM on Jul 09, 2018, 11:38:34 PM
For all the shooting in Gilliam Circle at the end - all we see them shooting at is trees. ]
There was one alien shown during that fight, I believe.
But hey, what ya gonna do?
It's amazing how a movie like King Arthur L.O.T.S. can be given the ridiculous budget it was, yet a film featuring 2 of the most famous monsters in cinematic history, who's early (and I stress early) franchise films are held in such universally high regard, has to get by on 40mil.
Quote from: OpenMaw on Jul 09, 2018, 11:36:55 PM
Quote from: ChanceVance on Jul 09, 2018, 10:04:12 AM
Back to other things. Movies like this, nobody cares about the human characters but they'd never be greenlit unless they had them. You'd get a movie that's an hour shorter, with more time and money devoted to following the creatures you paid to (barely) see but you wouldn't get a Hollywood budget without people in it.
That's because people approach "these" kind of movies with that attitude. Just write a good movie. Write good characters. How do you think we got the good characters in Alien, Aliens, Predator, Terminator, the original Halloween, Nightmare on Elm Street, and all the other classics of science fiction horror and fantasy. You just write a good script with solid characters.
Yes I stated as much later on in the post.
The strength of the Alien movies has always come from the characters. Requiem as a finished product has bland, cardboard cut-out characters to the point where I'd rather have just watched the movie play out without them. In Aliens I find myself lamenting the death of Drake and he's onscreen for like 10 minutes. It's all in the execution.
I think a film that focused on meaningful characters and their everyday lives in suburbia before the Xenos turn everything into a living nightmare could be exceptional if done right. For example what if we got to know a group of people living in Hadley's Hope and then we actually saw the paranoia and horror of the events unfold.
I'd never want to see that specific example mind you but to communicate the general idea.
The best character of AvP Requiem is Wolf. He has more peronality than any of the Colorado townies.
Credit be to Ian Whyte on working with nothing and making it work.
Quote from: OpenMaw on May 09, 2018, 01:09:02 AM
Quote from: SM on May 08, 2018, 09:30:18 PM
I didn't see shit.
And that shot of the guy walking up to check out the car - but not noticing the Alien right next to him was beyond moronic.
Yeah, the comparison between it and Aliens is very rudimentary. Aliens is twenty times better executed in every way. The setup, the tension, the follow through, the characters we've come to like up to this point being both observers and in the thick of it. Watching as all control slips away from the human characters and the Aliens stir to life.
That shot with the soldier looking in the window is so clearly the Strause Bros trying ot do a shot similar to Dietrich's death, but the shot in Aliens is just so much more damn effective and cool. That son of a bitch is right there in the wall! Holy sh*t!
Listening to Mark Rolston talk about when that scene first screened in the theater and how the audience just stood up... Man I would have loved to see Aliens back in 86 on the big screen.
This all goes without saying. And I didn't compare it to
Aliens. But I still think it's a cool scene. Think of it more like a video game and don't worry about it. :)
But, it's not a video game. It's a "film."
It's a cash-in that nearly cashed out two franchises. Permanently.
Ok.
Lol openmaw is a bit rough sometimes, but he has a point here. Different medias, different results.
Okay, okay. In game terms:
AVP:R's lighting engine really sucks.
The levels are incredibly linear and over too soon.
The story and characters are uninspired.
The ALIEN AI is awful.
The developers gave Wolf TANK CONTROLS! :o
I like the outfits and suits for the aliens and the dark shots. Reminds me of Aliens when you rarely get a full body shot of an alien. it's just dark hall ways with flashing lights and you see the aliens.
I thought the AVPR Alien design, suit and behaviour was terrible in every respect- that goes for the "PredAlien" too.
Quote from: Guts on Sep 02, 2018, 09:19:22 PM
I like the outfits and suits for the aliens and the dark shots. Reminds me of Aliens when you rarely get a full body shot of an alien. it's just dark hall ways with flashing lights and you see the aliens.
The design on AvP:R was awful. Overbites and plated heads... If they'd showed less they might've got away with it. The gunfight in the rain could've great - if there was a gunfight. Have the whole thing lit by lightning strikes and strobing gunfire highlighting shapes of the Aliens without the actual form.
I didn't mind the plated head...it's just that damn over-bite. When you're looking at it front on (from what I remember, anyway) they didn't look so bad.
I don't know they made the ridges different, its makes the Alien look vastly different from the ones in Aliens (which is what they were trying to emulate) and once again its an unnecessary design change.
They've had that swept back plated look since Alien 3, but was modified along the way.
Ah yes now I remember, you can barely see it though, I mostly remember it from the first AVP, at least I think that is where I remember it. Still without the cowl, it just looks too different from what they are trying to emulate, I mean in Alien and Aliens, the ridges were more bone-like compared to the plated look in Requiem.
The AVPR neck. Uhgggg