Clearly at the end of the game we see Amanda awaken with some sort of ship heading her way. Is this a chance for Creative Assembly to expand on the story and possibly explore the origins of the Alien? I don't know how well the sales for this game did. I'm sure the money involved will be a factor. Also i'm just curious, did Isolation sell well to gamers?
I think it's done relatively well so far.
I'd like to see more from her. I really liked her character far more than I expected to.
Yeah, I wouldn't mind a sequel, but the tricky bit is they'd have to mix up the gameplay a little to stop if feeling stale.
I'd like to find out what really happened to Amanda by the time of Aliens, but only if they come up with something sensible and not another Turk-in-the-cryotube moment.
I'd love a sequel, especially starring Amanda Ripley. Like Hicks mentioned I really liked her character way more than I was expecting to. I'd like to see her meet "McLaren" in the next installment and see them explore that relationship during the game play somehow.
I wonder if a sequel could set the events of ALIENS into motion. Perhaps Mclaren is a company man from Seegson.
560,000 according to VG Chartz. I am hoping for 750,000 to 800,000. A million be nice but not likely at this point.
Quote from: PRI. HUDSON on Nov 14, 2014, 11:06:45 PM
560,000 according to VG Chartz. I am hoping for 750,000 to 800,000. A million be nice but not likely at this point.
I take that back, it is up to 700K now, numbers up to date to November 8. So week to week has looked like this.
362,000
560,000
700,000
I would say a million could be possible. That be a pretty big deal, since ACM not only pissed off the fanbase, but it only sold about 1.4 million copies.
I think it will happen, a lot of people will no doubt be holding out until they get their PS4/XB1 for xmas. At least that's what I would do if I was still on last gen.
Quote from: Xenoscream on Nov 17, 2014, 01:52:02 PMI think it will happen, a lot of people will no doubt be holding out until they get their PS4/XB1 for xmas. At least that's what I would do if I was still on last gen.
That was my original plan, but I caved and bought the PS3 version :)
Quote from: Jango1201 on Nov 13, 2014, 11:47:54 PM
I wonder if a sequel could set the events of ALIENS into motion.
I would love to see Creative Assembly do an ALIENS Isolation as a sequel to this game using the same engine.
Amanda can still be part of the story, but you're seeing her story through the eyes of a Colonial Marine. Imagine a simulator type game being a Marine with just enough ammo to take the fight to the xenomorphs. A mixture of stealth, tactics, action, and coop with a friend. Imagine driving an APC and fight inside a flamethrower powerloader.
Shut up and take my money, that would be one hell of a sequel.
I think a little bit more action could work without ruining what the game is supposed to be about but taking it too far and it becomes something else entirely. The reason this game has worked and impressed is because its done exactly the opposite of whats been done to death in FPS games and its been quite refreshing.
Having said that I still think they could come up with a story that does include a couple of chapters with a bigger focus on action which could help the pacing as well. Nothing too drastic though. Id still say keep most of the game in the same vein as this one though. Kind of how Dead Space 2 ramped up the action and spectacle but still retained what everyone loved about the first game.
It would be easy to implement a couple of sections in the game where weapons are more readily available and it plays more like a conventional shooter but I would want them to be short and only a handful of them in the game. Keeps them memorable and exciting and doesnt change what the vast majority of the game is all about. Or perhaps a few more action set pieces. I know they tend to be a bit more scripted but theyre still alot of fun. Running back through the Aneesadora as its exploding was basically just going from A to B but it was still exciting because theres visual and audio stimilus. Reminded me of that sequence on the crashed ship from Dead Space 1 where you escape as its exploding. Simple but effective.
Quote from: Keg on Nov 18, 2014, 06:43:06 AMI think a little bit more action could work without ruining what the game is supposed to be about but taking it too far and it becomes something else entirely.
Let's not forget the final act of
Isolation did get a lot more action-packed (by the game's standards). It forced you into confrontations with the Aliens, you stopped sneaking around and just had to charge through them. It was one of my favourite parts of the game.
Thats more along the lines of what I mean. Not necessarily a section where you mow down Aliens with a pulse rifle or anything like that. Perhaps a section where you need to fend off multiple aliens with a shotgun or a flamethrower as they come at you relentlessly and hiding isnt an option. I didnt stop sneaking around at the end though. Even when there was two aliens hunting me. If id just gone at them with all I had I think id have ran out of fuel and items quickly and found the last few areas much harder as a result. This game never forces you to go on the attack ever.
Edit: What is cool about this game though is that while it doesnt force you to become more aggressive in your case you felt you had to. Just like Ripley at the end of Aliens with the flame thrower. At that stage in the game, similar to Ripleys attitude in the film you thought "you know what, f**k this, I need to get the hell out, right now, alien or no alien. Ive got my flamethrower and a couple of pipe bombs. Lets do this...".
Quote from: Keg on Nov 18, 2014, 03:22:29 PMyou know what, f**k this, I need to get the hell out, right now, alien or no alien.
That's pretty much exactly what was going through my mind. I loved how the last act really nailed those final scenes in the film where the Nostromo's about to blow and Ripley's just running around, caution thrown right out the window because she needs to get out now or she's going up with the ship.
And I so very nearly ran out of flamethrower fuel :)
I know it would be a hell of alot harder to pull off but imagine a sequel where they crawl on ceilings and walls. People complained that the alien didnt do that in this game but youd have to completely redesign the whole game world to make it work. Stuff in the tight corridors wouldnt work so there have to be specially designed larger areas where it could do that. Problem with that though is then you'd kinda know when the alien was likely to be on the walls or ceiling because of the type of environment youre in. Still be awesome if they could somehow implement it.
What I'd really like is a small increase. 3 or 4 Aliens at a time, instead of the one. You have a small amount of ammo, which can kill the Aliens. But it will also draw the others out. Destructible scenery in which you can use the Alien acid to navigate.
One idea I had was to have the player switching between characters, a marine and an civilian, with the marine having to fight their way pass their alien encounter to rescue the civilian, who can then assist the marines by getting into places they can't and opening up areas and objectives that brute force can't. Also have a marine isolated on his own, with limited ammo and multiple hostiles around him which would tear him apart if he so much as fires off a burst, requiring him to be tactical in order to get out safely. We can still have stand offs and last stands where multiple marines are present, but the main focus should be trying not to attract unnecessary attention that would waste your ammo. And some marine rescue mission objects or bonus objectives would be brilliant. There were a couple of survivors in A:I that had the potential to be saved if the game allowed for it, instead of just being alien bait if it happens to drop down in that area looking for you. Really pissed me off since the exit was just right beside them.
This job posting at CA seems kind of interesting. Or could mean nothing, but more DLC.
http://www.creative-assembly.com/job/141024/character-artist (http://www.creative-assembly.com/job/141024/character-artist)
QuoteThis role is working on a new project with an exciting and established IP from the team that brought you Alien:Isolation.
i hope their is a sequel with her in it the sequel might give use the full backstory.
There has to be something coming, right?
One neat thing I'm kind of curious about is that the Art book has a Medical ship in it that I don't remember seeing in the game. And there's a log that mentions transferring the station's medical patients into the medical ship. Maybe that will come into play?
There are little ambulances that fly out of the station and around the outside to various docking points which are supposed to be a quick way of getting people to the med bay from anywhere on the station. Amanda uses one to get to Marlows ship but theyre very short range and most of them are out of commission or damaged in the game. Could you not be thinking of those?
Nope, not the Ambulances. I remember the log stating Medical Ship, and multiple patients indicating it would be a bigger ship.
Page 68 of the art book shows the PATNA B4LS004, medical transport vessel. Definitely not an ambulance. And not, as I recall, a vessel seen in A:I.
Quote from: ClockworkHorror on Nov 26, 2014, 08:29:29 AMNope, not the Ambulances. I remember the log stating Medical Ship, and multiple patients indicating it would be a bigger ship.
Correct, the log mentions a ship to transport them back to Earth (or wherever else they're going once Sevastopol closes), and Waits suggests putting the more 'unstable' patients into early hypersleep to keep them out of trouble. No hypersleep pods on the ambulances.
Quote from: ClockworkHorror on Nov 26, 2014, 08:29:29 AMPage 68 of the art book shows the PATNA B4LS004, medical transport vessel. Definitely not an ambulance. And not, as I recall, a vessel seen in A:I.
Patna?
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FDwHU5jo.png&hash=326c2cad5c4ed80d010fe756bc2fb9f6f0dd711c)
Conspiracy.
Oooooooh.... The Conestoga class in Alien3. Hmmmm... I wonder if the Alien 3 novelization is considered canonical by Fox.
Please take the plot of Steve Perry's Earth Hive and make that the background conflict. Please please please, or at least get us on a WY ship where they are experimenting with Prometheus tech and an Alien infestation goes crazy.
Quote from: ClockworkHorror on Nov 26, 2014, 08:46:52 AM
Oooooooh.... The Conestoga class in Alien3. Hmmmm... I wonder if the Alien 3 novelization is considered canonical by Fox.
I'd hope not, considering Mr. Aaron dies twice.
Quote from: Doktor_Wunderbar on Dec 02, 2014, 12:08:24 AM
Quote from: ClockworkHorror on Nov 26, 2014, 08:46:52 AM
Oooooooh.... The Conestoga class in Alien3. Hmmmm... I wonder if the Alien 3 novelization is considered canonical by Fox.
I'd hope not, considering Mr. Aaron dies twice.
Really? He dies twice? How?
Quote from: aliens13 on Dec 02, 2014, 01:36:02 AM
Quote from: Doktor_Wunderbar on Dec 02, 2014, 12:08:24 AM
Quote from: ClockworkHorror on Nov 26, 2014, 08:46:52 AM
Oooooooh.... The Conestoga class in Alien3. Hmmmm... I wonder if the Alien 3 novelization is considered canonical by Fox.
I'd hope not, considering Mr. Aaron dies twice.
Really? He dies twice? How?
In one of the later scripts, but not the shooting script, Aaron goes to meet the WY team when they land, and they gun him down. This happens in the book. In the film, Aaron hits the man credited as Bishop II with a wrench, and the WY commandos shoot him in response. This also happens in the book.
I think AD Foster was asked to change his manuscript at some point to match the ever-evolving script, and he or his editor forgot about the first time Aaron died.
Quote from: Doktor_Wunderbar on Dec 02, 2014, 02:35:40 AM
Quote from: aliens13 on Dec 02, 2014, 01:36:02 AM
Quote from: Doktor_Wunderbar on Dec 02, 2014, 12:08:24 AM
Quote from: ClockworkHorror on Nov 26, 2014, 08:46:52 AM
Oooooooh.... The Conestoga class in Alien3. Hmmmm... I wonder if the Alien 3 novelization is considered canonical by Fox.
I'd hope not, considering Mr. Aaron dies twice.
Really? He dies twice? How?
In one of the later scripts, but not the shooting script, Aaron goes to meet the WY team when they land, and they gun him down. This happens in the book. In the film, Aaron hits the man credited as Bishop II with a wrench, and the WY commandos shoot him in response. This also happens in the book.
I think AD Foster was asked to change his manuscript at some point to match the ever-evolving script, and he or his editor forgot about the first time Aaron died.
Sorry, my confusion, I thought that you were saying that Aeron died 2 times in the book. ;D
Quote from: Doktor_Wunderbar on Dec 02, 2014, 02:35:40 AMIn one of the later scripts, but not the shooting script, Aaron goes to meet the WY team when they land, and they gun him down. This happens in the book. In the film, Aaron hits the man credited as Bishop II with a wrench, and the WY commandos shoot him in response. This also happens in the book.
I don't remember that
at all, and I read it quite recently. He only dies at the end, like he does in the film.
Quote from: ClockworkHorror on Nov 26, 2014, 08:46:52 AM
Oooooooh.... The Conestoga class in Alien3. Hmmmm... I wonder if the Alien 3 novelization is considered canonical by Fox.
Completely different ships. I thought about that too when I first saw the name but the Art book clearly shows they're not.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Dec 02, 2014, 08:33:15 AM
Quote from: Doktor_Wunderbar on Dec 02, 2014, 02:35:40 AMIn one of the later scripts, but not the shooting script, Aaron goes to meet the WY team when they land, and they gun him down. This happens in the book. In the film, Aaron hits the man credited as Bishop II with a wrench, and the WY commandos shoot him in response. This also happens in the book.
I don't remember that at all, and I read it quite recently. He only dies at the end, like he does in the film.
I was so confident that it was there that I grabbed my copy to look for it.
It's not there.
I have no idea why I
thought it was there, but I apologize. Maybe I'm confusing it with a script I read, but I have weirdly distinct memories of being so confused by Aaron dying twice that I reread the relevant sections long ago.
Quote from: Jango1201 on Nov 13, 2014, 11:47:54 PM
I wonder if a sequel could set the events of ALIENS into motion. Perhaps Mclaren is a company man from Seegson.
This is what I would like to see, but I don't think it could logically star Amanda. It would be pretty easy to just set the game in Hadley's Hope before the arrival of the Sulaco. Of course the only survivor is Newt, and I think playing the whole game as Newt would get tiresome without any crafting or anything, so I was thinking maybe it could star Newt's mother, and the game could end with her dying whilst defending Newt. Having a little girl with you for the whole game would be an interesting mechanic, perhaps you could leave her in safe places and maybe send her into small vents to do things, maybe even she could be playable in those situations!
With the new book doing just that, I don't see them wanting to re-tread that ground so soon.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 03, 2014, 09:28:53 AM
With the new book doing just that, I don't see them wanting to re-tread that ground so soon.
New book eh? I did not know about that!
Anyway, by the looks of things, that book is already out (I assume you're reading it now), and a sequel to Alien Isolation would probably be 2 years away, the books and games are completely separate, with different audiences, and the Alien expanded universe does not have a firm canon. I don't see the problem with retelling that story in 2 years.
There's actually a concerted effort by Fox with the latest set of release - Titan's novels, Dark Horse's Fire and Stone and Isolation - to form a coherent EU. And the Weyland-Yutani Reports are supposed to consolidate that when it comes out. Unless things change soon, I doubt they'd move away from the effort they're putting in now.
What are the chances that a game could take place during that time, and NOT contradict River of Pain?
Potentially. If they didn't follow Newt and it followed the retcon/unknown history brought to light in the novel.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 03, 2014, 11:59:07 AM
Potentially. If they didn't follow Newt and it followed the retcon/unknown history brought to light in the novel.
That would be a shame, but I suppose they could still crop up as NPCs. They could do Last Survivor/Crew Expendable style DLC where you could play as Newt or her mother right?
Quote from: Doktor_Wunderbar on Dec 03, 2014, 12:56:23 AMI have no idea why I thought it was there, but I apologize. Maybe I'm confusing it with a script I read, but I have weirdly distinct memories of being so confused by Aaron dying twice that I reread the relevant sections long ago.
Hah, no problem. Thanks for clarifying my memory isn't even worse that I thought!
Quote from: AvatarIII on Dec 03, 2014, 01:52:14 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 03, 2014, 11:59:07 AM
Potentially. If they didn't follow Newt and it followed the retcon/unknown history brought to light in the novel.
That would be a shame, but I suppose they could still crop up as NPCs. They could do Last Survivor/Crew Expendable style DLC where you could play as Newt or her mother right?
I don't see why not! It's not like the mini-campaigns are 100% anyway. It's just about the experience. :)
I'd really hope they don't do Hadley's Hope (except maybe as DLC). It's just too familiar for a whole game. Sevastopol was a joy to explore, and I'd like to see more of that newness. Also, I'm sort of surprised by how much enthusiasm there seems to be for playing as Newt on both this and the A:I forums. Who wants to see a six year-old girl get murdered over and over again? Not me, man. :-\
Quote from: Mr. Clemens on Dec 07, 2014, 03:37:19 PM
I'd really hope they don't do Hadley's Hope (except maybe as DLC). It's just too familiar for a whole game. Sevastopol was a joy to explore, and I'd like to see more of that newness. Also, I'm sort of surprised by how much enthusiasm there seems to be for playing as Newt on both this and the A:I forums. Who wants to see a six year-old girl get murdered over and over again? Not me, man. :-\
What about redesigning the entire Alien to accommodate for Cameron's warriors?
I dont want to play as Newt either. Plus like you say its not covering anything new is it. And.I dont think I could handle listening to the irritating little shits high pitched shrieks. God they were awful in Aliens.
There were plenty of colonists there besides Newt.
Plus, playing as someone else besides her would at least leave the player's ultimate fate open until the end of the game. Maybe they get away on the Onager.
Quote from: Mr. Clemens on Dec 07, 2014, 03:37:19 PM
I'd really hope they don't do Hadley's Hope (except maybe as DLC). It's just too familiar for a whole game. Sevastopol was a joy to explore, and I'd like to see more of that newness. Also, I'm sort of surprised by how much enthusiasm there seems to be for playing as Newt on both this and the A:I forums. Who wants to see a six year-old girl get murdered over and over again? Not me, man. :-\
I wouldn't want to play the whole game as Newt, she obviously would not have crafting skills like Amanda, it would get pretty boring, but a short 30 minute Last Survivor style DLC would be great. Also the game is 1st person so you wouldn't see a little girl get killed, you would see your character getting killed. I'm not even sure if you would even need to make it possible to die as Newt. She survived by hiding I think maybe a mode where you are hiding, witnessing the horrors of the colony being wiped out through vents and stuff, and if you make a noise or do something wrong or too slow, you fail the mission without a death animation, maybe could work,
What would someone think of a campaign, either long or short, as one of the last surviving colonists of Hadley's Hope? We know how it ends for them, but that doesn't mean that an interesting story can't be told.
Quote from: Doktor_Wunderbar on Dec 09, 2014, 12:52:47 AM
What would someone think of a campaign, either long or short, as one of the last surviving colonists of Hadley's Hope? We know how it ends for them, but that doesn't mean that an interesting story can't be told.
Someone didn't read the thread :D
But haven't we been whinging enough about re-treading the past? I'd rather see us move on into a completely new direction.
The problem is what direction do you go in?
A:I was essentially Alien on a space station. It's difficult to take the Alien and tell a new story, as even with most of the films it's a case of choosing an environment and dropping an Alien in for people to deal with.
What I'd like to see, and this is super ambitious, is post Alien apocalypse Earth, with a Last of Us style human story of survival. I think the direction that could be taken is to make the Alien the environmental threat and focus on a great human narrative.
Maybe not an Earth - it wouldn't fit in the continuity - but some sort of well developed colony. Crawling around an infected and hived up city would be really awesome.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 10, 2014, 10:54:09 AM
Maybe not an Earth - it wouldn't fit in the continuity - but some sort of well developed colony. Crawling around an infected and hived up city would be really awesome.
That's not a bad idea actually, because you could have a colony with some of the visuals from Aliens and Alien 3 without it actually being Archeron or Fiorina. just an industrial WY colony with some sort of metal works. without it affecting canon.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 09, 2014, 09:49:50 AM
But haven't we been whinging enough about re-threading the past? I'd rather see us move on into a completely new direction.
Yeah, I'd like to see something ambitious. Not that Isolation wasn't, it certainly was, but it attained its goal. Reading that they want to do the same lone Alien thing again with some gameplay tweaks has me worried. I'd love them to create a city, something we haven't seen in the series yet. I also think that action can be done in a way that isn't throwaway, in a way that is terrifying and requires some thought, but they don't seem to agree.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 10, 2014, 10:54:09 AM
Maybe not an Earth - it wouldn't fit in the continuity - but some sort of well developed colony. Crawling around an infected and hived up city would be really awesome.
I had a think about what the key difference in my Earth idea was, and it's this: There is actually no escape, your character is just living in this world and that's how it is.
On a colony, spaceship, other planet there is always that hope of getting out somehow. I think the really ambitious idea would be to create a universe where the worst has happening and humanity can't win but has to adapt to the harsh new reality.
I get that it wouldn't follow the films, but I don't see why it can't start a new EU canon (or even use an old one).
It couldn't use a new EU because Fox is making an effort to make this new EU all fit in.
I get what you're saying but I disagree. That this point, when humanity would be pretty widespread, they fould easily escape the planet. Especially if there were some well developed colonies out there.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 11, 2014, 12:29:36 PM
It couldn't use an new EU because Fox is making an effort to make this new EU all fit in.
I get what you're saying but I disagree. That this point, when humanity would be pretty widespread, they fould easily escape the planet. Especially if there were some well developed colonies out there.
I think the other problem is Alien has always been about people being trapped in remote and hostile areas where escape is nearly impossible. Not to say Earth doesn't posses those types of places, but Earth is a familiar backdrop. No matter how much you dress it up in futuristic details, it lacks the interest, terror and majesty of being in another solar system. I want to be taken to worlds or environments that few have experienced.
On top of that, invaded earth is basically the end game of the series. Much of the narrative tension lies in hoping this infection never reaches anywhere near earth.
Quote from: newbeing on Dec 11, 2014, 03:48:12 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 11, 2014, 12:29:36 PM
It couldn't use an new EU because Fox is making an effort to make this new EU all fit in.
I get what you're saying but I disagree. That this point, when humanity would be pretty widespread, they fould easily escape the planet. Especially if there were some well developed colonies out there.
I think the other problem is Alien has always been about people being trapped in remote and hostile areas where escape is nearly impossible. Not to say Earth doesn't posses those types of places, but Earth is a familiar backdrop. No matter how much you dress it up in futuristic details, it lacks the interest, terror and majesty of being in another solar system. I want to be taken to worlds or environments that few have experienced.
On top of that, invaded earth is basically the end game of the series. Much of the narrative tension lies in hoping this infection never reaches anywhere near earth.
I agree with this...
Considering what happened in the recent comics, I'm not sure Fox is really taking more than a cursory interested in how it might fit together... They start out with a whole lot of people escaping Hadley's Hope, which completely flies in the face of Hudson's comment about all the PDTs being holed up at the atmosphere processor.
If that many were missing, the Marines would have been more on guard, realising the obvious. As it was, Hicks presumes they're alive with a, "Looks like a God damned town meeting," while Gorman smiles and clearly thinks, like the rest of them, that they can go off and basically round everyone up to rescue them. And, of course, we find out they're just reading the PDTs in almost nothing but cadavers.
Between that and no explanation given for how Amanda's discoveries effectively contradict what Burke said about her, I get the impression that Fox is being more or less hands-off, logic-wise and assuming creative types probably know what they're doing.
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Dec 15, 2014, 12:11:37 AM
Between that and no explanation given for how Amanda's discoveries effectively contradict what Burke said about her, I get the impression that Fox is being more or less hands-off, logic-wise and assuming creative types probably know what they're doing.
Nah - they're just doing a bit of revisionist history - as jarring as some of those revisions are. The whole Titan trilogy was born of Fox. Their briefs came from Fox, not the other way around. Fox are very much hands-on at the minute.
Stop it, Fox. :( :( :(
Quote from: Valaquen on Dec 10, 2014, 01:44:37 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 09, 2014, 09:49:50 AM
But haven't we been whinging enough about re-threading the past? I'd rather see us move on into a completely new direction.
Yeah, I'd like to see something ambitious. Not that Isolation wasn't, it certainly was, but it attained its goal. Reading that they want to do the same lone Alien thing again with some gameplay tweaks has me worried. I'd love them to create a city, something we haven't seen in the series yet. I also think that action can be done in a way that isn't throwaway, in a way that is terrifying and requires some thought, but they don't seem to agree.
I could agree Valaquen. Just reusing the same formula that made Alien Isolation scary just doesn't seem exciting whatsoever. I feel like many fans from the United Kingdom are so entrenched in Scott's vision of the series. We need to move away from that in the next game and make the game more expansive and more punchy. Maybe taking the route of Aliens. One of the developers through the interview that Avpgalaxy conducted talked about Aliens not being 'Alien' enough? Seriously? its an Alien film. One of the best movies in film history. How would you not want to execute production on such a game? I mean Colonial Marines was a pitiful game and didn't do ANY justice for Aliens. With Creative Assembly's ability to make Alien into such a true experience and follow up to the first Alien, who says they couldn't do it for Aliens? It just doesn't make any sense. And I truly HOPE they don't do another Alien type of game. Please, we need something different guys...
The logical thing to do for an interim sequel, is to emulate Halo 2* and have the experience split over two characters; one trapped in a similar situation to Isolation, and another armed and in a similar situation to Aliens and then have them converge later on. Then CA can have their cake and eat it. It would be lovely to see something with more scale, though, as good as AI was. Remember those early concept paintings for Colonial Marines? Somewhere like that, exapnded out from what we've seen before. Malls and streets and homes and lives wrecked by the creatures. Something new.
*but actually fun, obviously.
Quote from: robbritton on Dec 18, 2014, 10:00:35 AM
The logical thing to do for an interim sequel, is to emulate Halo 2* and have the experience split over two characters; one trapped in a similar situation to Isolation, and another armed and in a similar situation to Aliens and then have them converge later on. Then CA can have their cake and eat it. It would be lovely to see something with more scale, though, as good as AI was. Remember those early concept paintings for Colonial Marines? Somewhere like that, exapnded out from what we've seen before. Malls and streets and homes and lives wrecked by the creatures. Something new.
*but actually fun, obviously.
I'm going to say having the experience split up over two characters with different gameplay styles is not a great idea. At least for a direct sequel. The problem is that changes expectations, and instead of having one cohesive and polished concept, you have the designers trying to juggle to differing game styles. One is bound to suffer. Take RE 6 as an example. Their try to please everyone approach, ended up pleasing very few. I want the Isolation series to remain in the survival horror roots. I want creative assembly to take what worked in the previous game and improve upon that. Increase the intensity, make it scarier and more immersive.
I'm not against have an ALIENS experience that feels similar to A:I, but I would rather it be it's own full experience, fully polished and given the type of caring attention Alien: Isolation received. Not just riding the coattails of another game's success.
Imagine being the only character without an automatic weapon.
Whoever said this game be lucky to sell 500,000 must feel dumb. VG Chartz has AI at 950,000. Crossing a million is inevitable at this point. Congrats to CA for making a successful game!
Quote from: Chronicle on Dec 16, 2014, 09:45:15 PM
I feel like many fans from the United Kingdom are so entrenched in Scott's vision of the series.
You'll probably find most people here in the UK prefer the sequel. :)
I think a lot of the hype has been about how stunningly consistent the atmosphere of this game was, compared to the original movie (with the bizarre exception of audio tape players, of course). If the same people had shown the same attention to detail and had it set in a massive version of a colony like Hadley's Hope, we'd see similar reviews praising it for that.
If they absolutely have to go down the same road, again, I'd wager that's what will be up next: Same formula, but a transition to a different sort of environment. Maybe even replicating something like what would have happened between Newt and the woman who got abducted just a little while before the Marines ultimately showed up.
That's my feeling on this. They'll decide we're allowed to improvise more effective traps and/or actual weapons, but at the cost of having to protect someone who's important for our own survival (or to retain our sanity, which would be an interesting mechanic to implement, if they get it right). I could see, for example, mini-games, whereby the power was cut and we have precious few weapons to defend ourselves with, but where we have to get to security stations and reactivate automated defences. Maybe then, in turn, at the cost of knowing that if we kill one patrolling scout Alien, it'll wake up more... Having to constantly gamble whether it's worth dispatching one immediate threat in the knowledge that the danger you later face will be magnified.
After all, in this one, the station was just a massive version of the Nostromo. If the next is like a massive version of Hadley's hope, that would feel like a logical progression. Maybe even with sections where we have to swim underwear or navigate toxic waste dumps, to give nostalgic hints of the other two movies, too.
Essentially, that wouldn't be too unlike what the last '
Aliens Versus Predator' game gave us, of course, considering how its architecture was like, but I think most people liked how that one presented its environment.
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I feel like many fans from the United Kingdom are so entrenched in Scott's vision of the series.
You'll probably find most people here in the UK prefer the sequel. :)
I think a lot of the hype has been about how stunningly consistent the atmosphere of this game was, compared to the original movie (with the bizarre exception of audio tape players, of course). If the same people had shown the same attention to detail and had it set in a massive version of a colony like Hadley's Hope, we'd see similar reviews praising it for that.
If they absolutely have to go down the same road, again, I'd wager that's what will be up next: Same formula, but a transition to a different sort of environment. Maybe even replicating something like what would have happened between Newt and the woman who got abducted just a little while before the Marines ultimately showed up.
That's my feeling on this. They'll decide we're allowed to improvise more effective traps and/or actual weapons, but at the cost of having to protect someone who's important for our own survival (or to retain our sanity, which would be an interesting mechanic to implement, if they get it right). I could see, for example, mini-games, whereby the power was cut and we have precious few weapons to defend ourselves with, but where we have to get to security stations and reactivate automated defences. Maybe then, in turn, at the cost of knowing that if we kill one patrolling scout Alien, it'll wake up more... Having to constantly gamble whether it's worth dispatching one immediate threat in the knowledge that the danger you later face will be magnified.
After all, in this one, the station was just a massive version of the Nostromo. If the next is like a massive version of Hadley's hope, that would feel like a logical progression. Maybe even with sections where we have to swim underwear or navigate toxic waste dumps, to give nostalgic hints of the other two movies, too.
Essentially, that wouldn't be too unlike what the last 'Aliens Versus Predator' game gave us, of course, considering how its architecture was like, but I think most people liked how that one presented its environment.
Love this idea, but these ideas for a sequel are obvious- what concerns me is where do they go after that?
RPG elements?
Hadley's Hope would be the sequel however we are looking at a few challenges here
1. A:I had one alien and it was decent 60fps, that means you need something a little more powerful to display several dozen of them on screen at the same time at the same detail level maybe.
Now they did show three at a time near the end of the game, but how knows.
Plus the mechanics of several aliens at once poses a few more collision challenges, etc.
However that doesn't mean we can't have the game void of aliens most off the time and then we get to explore HH all alone without weapons.
A skirmish battle isnt in demand for an engine like this.
They won't do Hadley's Hope (if only because it's too soon after the previous game's attempt). A colony like it, maybe. An original location would allow them to map it to their heart's content.
As for RPG elements, that would be simple enough for them to do. Bioware's refined that formula for a long while.
I'm all for a brand new colony. With completely dissimilar architecture.
Quote from: PRI. HUDSON on Dec 18, 2014, 09:32:31 PM
Whoever said this game be lucky to sell 500,000 must feel dumb. VG Chartz has AI at 950,000. Crossing a million is inevitable at this point. Congrats to CA for making a successful game!
Jesus, let it go. It wasn't a personal attack on you lol. I think it's well over 500k, but don't put much faith in VGchartz either. I'm glad I was wrong. I don't really feel dumb because I made a bad prediction on something as volatile as consumer markets. I at least made an effort other than "ALIENZ RULZ 1 MILLION 4LIFE!!!!!!!!!" lol.
It had everything going against it and overcame all of those obstacles. That's freaking awesome.
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I'm all for a brand new colony. With completely dissimilar architecture.
Quite. It'd be lovely to see something totally new.
I'd like to see something more established and in the process of expanding as well. Uncomplete industrial areas combined with a very thriving area.
An actual functioning world would be nice, as opposed to the usual frontier town/busted spaceship. The flagship of terraforming perhaps (since Ripley wasn't familiar with it, the timeline would be ok)? Somewhere like how the adverts on the consoles in AVP2010 showed how that planet was predicted to end up. Then we could have the Half-Life 2 effect of an actual world fallen apart, as well as something which is both new to AND sympathetic with the franchise.
A cool idea I have had for a while gameplay wise is to have different castes of xenomorph hunt the player in different ways. This would especially work with a Runner, down on all fours it would search low under desks and such before it looks up in lockers and whatnot. A stark contrast to the bipedal drone. Coming across a dead dog with a huge hole in it's chest would be intense and give players a real 'oh sh*t' moment. This is a great idea bros.
It's strongly hinted that Amanda Ripley was impregnated. Playing the game again, I noticed that she encounters 2 drones after she wakes up in the hive. The drones see Ripley but don't attack which leads me to believe she was impregnated (like the famous scene in Alien 3).
That could be an idea for a sequel if they ever make one.
I'm leaning more towards the "not preggers" camp. I've seen people killed by those aliens you're talking about - in the wrecked subway car, right? And besides the unhatched egg waiting for you when you first wake up, the facehuggers continue to try to mouth-rape you as you make your way back to the terminal.
It does seem a little ambiguous though, and could make for some interesting story angles. Maybe the company removes the embryo from her, which goes about as well as we've been trained to expect, and the fun resumes with Amanda spending the first part of the game running around all stitched up like Noomi Rapace.
She wasn't impregnated.
https://twitter.com/CAGames/status/829639249679024128 this
I wouldn't expect to really hear anything but I wouldn't argue if it was brought up.
It's really a shame that we'll probably never get to sequel to Isolation. If any game deserves one I believe that it does.
This is why obvious cliffhanger endings really piss me off in games.
It's perfectly fine when it's planned into a sequel. It's one of the game's weak points - Amanda is just left hanging there in space and a light suddenly shines on her. Presumably, she's rescued. If no sequel is planned, then why not just spell it out fully instead of hinting at it? Complete the story, Goddammit! The ending of this game was its only real let down for me.
By the way, I'm still waiting to find out if that Pred ship caught up with the Verloc and find out what happened next. Especially considering 'AvP2' did have a follow up game - not a sequel, mind you - a follow up game.
Wouldn't it have been appropriate for 'AvP 2010' to be a sequel to 'AvP2' and show those events unfold? er, no. Apparently, a reboot was needed.
So if the sequels aren't going to happen, I wish developers would quit with the 'clever' endings and make the story finishes properly with a responsibility to deliver a satisfying conclusion.
Then again, I guess "We got everything!"
Sheesh.
-Windebieste.
Quote from: windebieste on Feb 10, 2017, 10:50:56 AMThen again, I guess "We got everything!"
:laugh: I was literally thinking of that as I wrote my previous post.
Simply stopping in the middle of a scene is the absolute worst kind of "cliffhanger" ending. At least
Isolation wasn't
that bad.
To be honest I can't really see a better denouement anyway. We know Amanda's final ending anyway. It's somewhat a bitter sweet ending. Get's married, never has kids, dies never reuniting with her mother.
What would the final scene have been? Amanda on a ship, getting checked out and patched up, and then she looks out a window into a starfield that looks like that one from the beginning of Aliens? I mean...
That's assuming that Burke told Ripley the truth. He did work for the company after all.
He had no reason to lie to her about it at that time.
Quote from: OpenMaw on Feb 11, 2017, 01:15:29 AMHe had no reason to lie to her about it at that time.
He daughter being dead gave her no reason to stay where she was.
If she was alive she almost certainly would've stuck around to try and rekindle their relationship.
I am hoping we get a sequel I'm the form of an original graphic novel. Tristan Jones has said he is going to be working on, as some of you know, a new aliens project for DH and said it was less plural. He has expressed interest in following up isolation before, also. So having him create a sequel would be good enough for me.
Quote from: Scorpio on Oct 10, 2016, 11:19:28 AM
It's strongly hinted that Amanda Ripley was impregnated. Playing the game again, I noticed that she encounters 2 drones after she wakes up in the hive. The drones see Ripley but don't attack which leads me to believe she was impregnated (like the famous scene in Alien 3).
That could be an idea for a sequel if they ever make one.
Actually its not and even someone from CA mentioned something about this, besides facehuggers still attack you. I recently replayed Isolation and I don't remember encountering drones that don't attack you, two drones do appear but they don't notice Ripley, they look around and then disappear.
Unless you are talking about the space walk part which I don't think counts since they do move towards you and it seems scripted.
Despite how many times I died, I'd pay a lot of money for that game.
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I am hoping we get a sequel I'm the form of an original graphic novel. Tristan Jones has said he is going to be working on, as some of you know, a new aliens project for DH and said it was less plural. He has expressed interest in following up isolation before, also. So having him create a sequel would be good enough for me.
I really hope he does write a sequel. Isolation has to be my second favourite instalment in the franchise between Alien and Aliens.
While Alien Isolation is by far the best Single Player game set in the Alien universe IMO.. I don't know if I really want more of the same though..
I would prefer a new AvP game or "Aliens vs Marines" game where you get to play with the alien too (and pred if its avp) and where, while the human part of the game could have chapters where you need to sneak around avoiding the aliens like in Isolation, you should definitely also get to kill em with pulse rifles and smartguns and such..
Isolation had a good story line, but man was it watered down by all the menial tasks and objectives.
They could have cut 2-3 hours out of the game and extended certain portions. The time spent in the hive was way too short in my opinion, would have been brilliant to see more of it. The leadup to first contact was all great and necessary, but a lot of the middle portions just felt like they were thrown in to extend your playtime.
I actually asked a guy from Fox about a sequel last night and he said it doesn't look like there'll be a follow-up game. SEGA just aren't interested.
I made sure I pointed how much I'd enjoy a continuation even if it was in another medium, though.
Maybe tristan jones will get hired to do a sequel as a graphic novel, highly unlikely but it would be awesome.
I wish sega would let the rights go.
Quote from: 426Buddy on May 05, 2017, 02:40:26 AM
Maybe tristan jones will get hired to do a sequel as a graphic novel, highly unlikely but it would be awesome.
I wish sega would let the rights go.
They don't have the rights anymore as far as I'm aware. They had a three game licensing deal with Fox and Alien: Isolation were the last of the games.
Quote from: 426Buddy on May 05, 2017, 02:40:26 AM
Maybe tristan jones will get hired to do a sequel as a graphic novel, highly unlikely but it would be awesome.
I wish sega would let the rights go.
Tell Dark Horse that's what you want. Brian and I have talked about this already lots of times...
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Quote from: 426Buddy on May 05, 2017, 02:40:26 AM
Maybe tristan jones will get hired to do a sequel as a graphic novel, highly unlikely but it would be awesome.
I wish sega would let the rights go.
Tell Dark Horse that's what you want. Brian and I have talked about this already lots of times...
Any recommendations on the best way to let Dark Horse know? Twitter, email, etc?