Is ACM considered canon?

Started by Janek, Jun 21, 2024, 12:07:38 AM

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Janek

Janek

Hey guys, sorry if this topic had been done to death. I remember a few years ago it was a debate wether this game was to be considered canon or not. Information on the internet varies but one thing that has changed is for example on the AvP wiki page where Corporal Hicks's status is now deceased where it was a few years ago as alive. I have seen some talks of a Weyland Yutani report which cleared things up a bit. Could someone be so nice and explain?

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I hope the game is not considered canon because its story diminishes Aliens and Alien3 for me.

Local Trouble

Local Trouble

#1
Quote from: SM on Jan 17, 2020, 01:02:43 AMA:CM isn't canon because the IP creators decided they didn't want it to be canon.

BigChapismyBestFriend

No, it fan Fiction to make Corporal Hicks alive With no plausible reasoning.

Corporal Hicks

Corporal Hicks

#3
It hasn't been considered as canon for quite some time, I'm afraid. Probably around 2014.

Samhain13

Samhain13

#4
100% Randy Confirmed

Citixeno

Citixeno

#5
Quote from: Janek on Jun 21, 2024, 12:07:38 AMHey guys, sorry if this topis had been done to death. I remember a few years ago it was a debate wether this game was to be considered canon or not. Information on the internet varies but one thing that has changed is for example on the AvP wiki page where Corporal Hicks's status is now deceased where it was a few years ago as alive. I have seen some talks of a Weyland Yutani report which cleared things up a bit. Could someone be so nice and explain?

Mods feel free to merge thread or close if already being discussed elsewhere.

I hope the game is not considered canon because its story diminishes Aliens and Alien3 for me.

Functionally, all that matters is the predictive power of canon in terms of events that a director of a future movie won't be allowed to retcon or contradict.

Well, what that leaves on the table, as far as canon goes, is not very much. Alex White had a bit of insight on this from 20th century studios, and according to them, only the events of A1 and A2 are the things a future director is not allowed to violate.

So, that means A3 and A-R might not technically be canon anymore if a future director is allowed to contradict those events.

That said, I doubt a future director would be using Ripley, Hicks, or Newt due to the ages of two of the actors, and one of them is no longer involved in acting at all. So for all intents and purposes, A3 stays in the timeline anyway. As nothing is likely to ever contradict its events by including those characters, it basically stays canon by default.

The only movie on the potential chopping block functionally is A-R, as the movie was poorly received, and the unnecessary 200-year jump takes the Colonial Marines off the table. Often, studios like to pretend movies like that never happened, and if producers feel like more space marines will draw in an audience and want them to be like the ones in A2, then that producer won't care whatsoever if that contradicts the statement in A4 about how Ripley succeeded at exterminating the Aliens two-hundred years prior. It certainly hasn't stopped 20th-century studios from licensing video games that contradict that. Heck, they even licensed Dark Descent, which bought back the original Space Jockeys, as opposed to the big opaque white guys in Prometheus and Covenant. But that might also just be that they are much more lenient with video games.

My general rule is that if one needs to ask if something is canon, then it probably isn't because it is likely to be obscure enough that a future movie director or writer is allowed to contradict it.

Less stuff being canon only means there is a lot less stuff that future creatives are restricted by, so, in a way it allows them to play around with the Alien biology and show us new things, and with less rules on the aliens, it keeps them scary and unpredictable.

 For a long time, years ago, fans were arguing about castes based on AVP: Extinction and putting all sorts of restrictive rules on the Alien based on that video game, but the studio isn't placing those restrictions on writers and directors, so we shouldn't assume there are inviolable rules for the alien based on something from a video game, comic, or novel.

If you like something, don't let its non-canonical status ruin your enjoyment, either. I mean, a movie is only two hours long, while there are countless other related Alien media out there that can provide many more hours of entertainment.

SM

SM

#6
Quote from: Janek on Jun 21, 2024, 12:07:38 AMHey guys, sorry if this topis had been done to death. I remember a few years ago it was a debate wether this game was to be considered canon or not. Information on the internet varies but one thing that has changed is for example on the AvP wiki page where Corporal Hicks's status is now deceased where it was a few years ago as alive. I have seen some talks of a Weyland Yutani report which cleared things up a bit. Could someone be so nice and explain?

Mods feel free to merge thread or close if already being discussed elsewhere.

I hope the game is not considered canon because its story diminishes Aliens and Alien3 for me.

When the Weyland-Yutani Report was being written Isolation was referenced and A:CM not.  This was six months after A:CM came out and about a year before Isolation came out.

QuoteFor a long time, years ago, fans were arguing about castes based on AVP: Extinction and putting all sorts of restrictive rules on the Alien based on that video game, but the studio isn't placing those restrictions on writers and directors, so we shouldn't assume there are inviolable rules for the alien based on something from a video game, comic, or novel.

Now you can replace Extinction with the RPG.

Janek

Janek

#7
Thanks everyone for all the replies. I think its safe to say ACM is best left forgotten.

Oh btw what a great fandom this franchise has and the community here at avpgalaxy is just wonderful.


Local Trouble

Local Trouble

#8
@gold Whenever you show up again, you should read this thread.

BigChapismyBestFriend

The only good that came from that game is some of the Alien Variant. Crusher and Spitter were pretty cool ngl

Local Trouble

Local Trouble

#10
Did it have praetorians?

BigChapismyBestFriend

Quote from: Local Trouble on Jun 22, 2024, 01:35:55 AMDid it have praetorians?
No, but crusher might as well been praetorian from runners

SM

SM

#12
Those splodey ones were lame as shit.

Acid_Reign161

Acid_Reign161

#13
Counter perspective; certain (not all events) of Aliens: Colonial Marines happened, just not how we saw/played it in the game (in the same way 'Alien Trilogy' is a basic retelling of the first three movies but gets it all wrong (such as the prison complex being part of the colony on LV-426, the entire planet exploding, Ripley venturing into the derelict etc; none of that happened... however, Gorman and his team *were* sent to investigate with Burke in tow after losing contact with the colony, there *was* a different strain of Xenomorph due to host in the prison, dog handlers *were* dispatched... so some truths among the misinformation.

In the case of Colonial Marines, some "truths" that *could* potentially be extrapolated;

-The Sephora was the colonial marine ship sent to investigate the disappearance of the Sulaco (we know that after being declared overdue, in approximately 17 days a rescue would be expected... the Sephora was not only featured in 'Colonial Marines' but was also the ship sent to investigate in the radically different game/turn of events in 'Aliens: Infestation' - two separate sources citing the same ship.

- Weyland Yutani secured the derelict (corresponds with the final chapter of 'The Colonial Marines Technical Manual')

-Xenomorph variants (many are pretty much later reused in other games that are confirmed to be canon to expanded media such as Titan books **though not the movies**)

As it stands, it couldn't be taken as presented, though in my opinion, that doesn't mean there aren't canon elements. Treat it as a 'game version of real events' just like all the other games (Aliens: Arcade, the multiple versions of Alien 3, Alien Trilogy, Alien Resurrection) - at the end of the day, Hadley's Hope's atmosphere processor was destroyed, an entire colony of people wiped out, a missing colonial marine ship/platoon... and the company went to Fury 161 after learning Ripley's story was true (so they are aware of the derelict/ potential source of Xenomorph eggs) there's no universe that nobody bothered to investigate LV-426 and were just like "ah well, these things happen" 🤣

SM

SM

#14
They got to LV-426 and found no viable eggs at the Derelict.

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