Blomkamp just shared a pic of a pulse rifle prop of Instagram.
https://instagram.com/p/83mcFbqhBk/ (https://instagram.com/p/83mcFbqhBk/)
What's RIS stand for?
Quote from: Ultramorph on Oct 15, 2015, 06:52:37 PM
Blomkamp just shared a pic of a pulse rifle prop of Instagram.
https://instagram.com/p/83mcFbqhBk/ (https://instagram.com/p/83mcFbqhBk/)
Reading his comment about "We all knew there obviously would be pulse rifles but now with the added RIS!" seems to indicate that more and more, this is going to be shaping up to be an alternate Alien 3. I mean, post Resurrection era, wouldn't pulse rifles be.. out-dated and no longer manufactured?
Quote from: Darkness on Oct 15, 2015, 06:57:20 PM
What's RIS stand for?
Rail Intergration System?
(Also Rail Interface System)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rail_Integration_System
Hmmm, Range Image Scope and Rail Integration System could both make sense. If you consider how Ripley totally bad-assed her rifle before she confronted the queen, it would stand to reason that an even more over-done approach to expanding the pulse-rifle could be in the works.
Also, check out how Den Beauvais expanded the pulse-rifle at the end of Aliens: Book Two from Dark Horse below. Perhaps Blomkamp is trying to avoid this sort of scenario, or he is looking to expand on it.
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-qMdqOS_FCy4/T_Ckju_asAI/AAAAAAAAL7A/wBpJ6jpxHxA/s1600/alien1.jpg
Usually it's a bad sign when a director starts talking about weapons for an Alien movie...just saying.look at the Andersons and Strausse Bros...
Reasonable update (the weapon upgrading system was one of the few things 'Colonial Marines' game seemed to get right). The colour scheme looks authentic. Can anyone familiar with the props identify any obvious differences to the original versions?
Just hope the famous sound they make is replicated accurately. :)
Sigh. Why mess with a classic? The video games went down this route as well. Why would they go back to picatinny rails and chunky late 20th century red dot optics, having clearly abandoned them sometime prior to Aliens?
Looks freaking perfect to me and is exactly what i was hoping to see regarding the weapons to this upcoming movie. I don't want them to change all that much from Cameron's Aliens. And to see that is hasn't changed much just reflects what Neill has said in just about every interview he has given regarding Alien V, which is that this is a direct continuation of Aliens.
Quote from: Samus007 on Oct 15, 2015, 07:55:11 PM
Looks freaking perfect to me and is exactly what i was hoping to see regarding the weapons to this upcoming movie. I don't want them to change all that much from Cameron's Aliens. And to see that is hasn't changed much just reflects what Neill has said in just about every interview he has given regarding Alien V, which is that this is a direct continuation of Aliens.
This.
I hope we also see a SLIGHTLY upgradets APC and Dropship. No need to re-invent the wheel here. Just take the same concept and maybe add something to it or change the graphics. I'm getting excited on multiple fronts here!
Ditch the rail system. It totally looks out of place.
Agreed. Fundamentally it hasn't changed, but that just makes these accessories all the more pointless.
I know it's not a big deal, but to me as an Aliens & gun nerd, it's like spinning rims on the Millennium Falcon.
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Oct 15, 2015, 08:01:00 PM
Quote from: Samus007 on Oct 15, 2015, 07:55:11 PM
Looks freaking perfect to me and is exactly what i was hoping to see regarding the weapons to this upcoming movie. I don't want them to change all that much from Cameron's Aliens. And to see that is hasn't changed much just reflects what Neill has said in just about every interview he has given regarding Alien V, which is that this is a direct continuation of Aliens.
This.
I hope we also see a SLIGHTLY upgradets APC and Dropship. No need to re-invent the wheel here. Just take the same concept and maybe add something to it or change the graphics. I'm getting excited on multiple fronts here!
Yep exactly, no need to reinvent the wheel at all. Few tweaks here and there and carry on. I want a great story with the visuals of 1 and 2 to go along with it. (And a great epic soundtrack too would be nice :) ).
This is the optic;
http://www.sightmark.com/sm14000.html
If they can just get WETA or whoever to design a genuinely futuristic sight for it, I'll be happy enough.
And yes, I realise I'm tilting at space windmills here, but this is where my job and my nerdlife intersect, so I'm passionate about it.
i dont like it bc it docent look sci-fi anymore it just looks like something out of the real world.
BOOOOOOOOOOO this isnt call of duty
NO, NO, NO, NO! Blomhack don't have any good idea to continue the Alien franchise so he goes for the wet fanfiction retelling, Alien 3 -Assembly Cut- is a masterpiece.
If Blomhack isn't a good enough writer to gives us a NEW Alien movie instead just picking the remmants of James Cameron Aliens, then he don't deserve being involvement in the Alien Universe.
Ah come on that's too damn easy. Dangling a shot of bad ass movie weaponry is such a tease. Also I hope RIS doesn't mean it's now a bug zapper... I mean that would be cool too but I kind of like 10mm armor piercing rounds thing.
The attachments was something A: CM did right. I love the Pulse Rifle but this bit of a modernization is good, it's a good idea adding RIS rails to it. It needed a damn sight so that's nice to see. Might have been nicer for it to have been olive coloured though and for it to have a lower profile. Maybe something more reflex than holographic.
I do think the PEQ box is unnecessary though, as is the change of flash hider.
Quote from: Beatnation on Oct 15, 2015, 09:19:01 PM
NO, NO, NO, NO! Blomhack don't have any good idea to continue the Alien franchise so he goes for the wet fanfiction retelling, Alien 3 -Assembly Cut- is a masterpiece.
If Blomhack isn't a good enough writer to gives us a NEW Alien movie instead just picking the remmants of James Cameron Aliens, then he don't deserve being involvement in the Alien Universe.
What are you on about? He only posted a pic of a pulse rifle.
Alien 3 had pulse rifles and other "remmants (sic) of James Cameron's Aliens".
The laser module is a PEQ-15 clone;
http://www.eotechinc.com/tactical-light ... ming-laser
Flash-hider looks to be an AAC copy;
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/284904 ... uctFinding
They are unnecessary in the sense that we have these exact accessories now, yet they clearly weren't needed in the future shown in Aliens. Aesthetically, they and the rails disrupt the classic flowing lines of Cameron's design.
I'd sooner lose the visible Thompson & SPAS-12 components (they have actually got a new lump grip already here) and call it an M41B or whatever, than add this kind of frippery.
ETA - I shouldn't get too nerd-rage, because there's every chance that WETA (?) have just given it rails and put accessories on just for the photo/design process. There's time yet to make it less CoD.
Why wouldn't they have ris? It's hardly outdated equipment when hicks himself had an old pump action shotgun!
Also who is to say these are not for either private military or more elite units?? Not all soldiers spend money kitting out there gear ? I am not in the military but as an example in black hawk down only delta had customised there weapons , rangers had just standard m16's
After seeing that pic I bet the title for Blomkamp's film will be Aliens: Modern Warfare II. :laugh:
Looks great but...
...it reeks of nostalgia bait for easily appeased sentimentalists.
We'll need to know more about the story, characters, situations that this film embraces rather than just images of hardware to excite gullible fans.
Quote from: windebieste on Oct 15, 2015, 10:11:14 PM
Looks great but...
...it reeks of nostalgia bait for easily appeased sentimentalists.
We'll need to know more about the story, characters, situations that this film embraces rather than just images of hardware to excite gullible fans.
True wisdom. It's a nice-looking prop, but The Phantom Menace had a lot of nice looking props, too.
The look of the pulse rifle is the absolute least of the movie's concerns. They will not lose a single ticket sale, even if the pulse rifle is replaced with a totally new design which can be marketed as a kit or as a prop replica. It will look the way it looks and it will make the bang-bang on the screen. That is all that matters.
With respect that applies to pretty much anything we discuss on here. Shall we all give up?
Hicks' shotgun was clearly not issue equipment. Neither was Vasquez's S&W.
As to "why wouldn't they", as I say, it's not that they wouldn't; it's that they didn't have them originally.
WETA have done great sci-fi designs that retain rails; I can well believe we'd still have them in 2180-something (though obviously not the accessories shown). The fact is that the original design that everyone (including Blomkamp) loves so much didn't have these features.
If people like it, and they seem to, great. For me, this is just lazy tinkering with a great design intended to court the CoD players and further stir up geek excitement about this retquel.
Quote from: Biggles on Oct 15, 2015, 10:36:47 PM
The fact is that the original design that everyone (including Blomkamp) loves so much didn't have these features.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fweaponsman.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2012%2F02%2Fm1a-rifle.gif&hash=212427c81091ce67db4fa64d8115ab0705d615ef)
This is an M14.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.springfield-armory.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2014%2F03%2FAA9625_1200x3061.png&hash=6efcea13f66a5e4a0f4749e89b3eed52628433b1)
This is an M14 Socom.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/PEO_M14_EBR.jpg/1024px-PEO_M14_EBR.jpg)
This is an M14 EBR.
They're all variants of the same platform. And I could do the same with near enough any rifle. There is absolutely nothing wrong with there being variants of the original Pulse Rifle.
omg YES! So happy this means the Colonial Marines will most likely be in the movie. along with their tech! True sequel to Aliens, cant wait!
Though never will it happen you know what Ridley Scott could incorporate in Alien Paradise Lost, an early prototype model of the Power Loader that Ripley uses to fight the Queen from Aliens. It'd be a neat little easter egg in the background.
Though I doubt Scott would included something which acknowledges anything post Alien because he's admitted before that while he respects James Cameron's efforts on Aliens it was not that direction he would've taken for the series.
Wonder how much Ridley is influence is affecting Neill's movie seeing as its a full Aliens sequel. His art work on Instagram display the Alien Queen on a rampage. I'm uncertain if Scott will cover the established Alien hive concept, e.i. the Queen, Warriors and Drone Alien castes etc.
Nooooo!..... Please don't use that cheap $60 red dot optic, it ruin it!
Quote from: XENOMORPHOSIS on Oct 15, 2015, 11:02:32 PM
I'm uncertain if Scott will cover the established Alien hive concept, e.i. the Queen, Warriors and Drone Alien castes etc.
I hope that's not messed with.
If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
Really excited to see this!
I do not dislike that he "messed with" the design as all he did was add on a few parts. This will not hamper the film at all. What will damage the film is if they change the iconic sound from the iconic weapon, like they did in Alien3. I never understood that.
It will be very interesting to see how Scott and Blomkamp create this film. We know they have different ideas but I believe in what they'll create will satisfy us.
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Oct 16, 2015, 12:46:07 AM
Quote from: XENOMORPHOSIS on Oct 15, 2015, 11:02:32 PM
I'm uncertain if Scott will cover the established Alien hive concept, e.i. the Queen, Warriors and Drone Alien castes etc.
I hope that's not messed with.
If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
Agreed. One could argue that the reason Ridley gets to make his sequels is because of the success of Aliens. If he does anything to diminish or decanonize Aliens that won't go over too well. Anyway, I don't think Fox would let him.
Hey it actually looks practical on a battlefield now. Still think they should have gone with a bullpup design though, but maintaining the classic look is just as good
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Oct 16, 2015, 03:21:33 AM
Agreed. One could argue that the reason Ridley gets to make his sequels is because of the success of Aliens. If he does anything to diminish or decanonize Aliens that won't go over too well. Anyway, I don't think Fox would let him.
And yet they're going to let Blomkamp more or less do away with Alien 3 and Resurrection. I'm sure a lot of fans are happy about that but... I'm in the Alien 3 camp, and I personally don't like the whole retconning thing but you know.. as long as they don't do "it was aaaaaaall a dream!' then... I might be okay with it and just stick with Alien 3 and Resurrection, more so Alien 3.
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Oct 16, 2015, 03:48:40 AM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Oct 16, 2015, 03:21:33 AM
Agreed. One could argue that the reason Ridley gets to make his sequels is because of the success of Aliens. If he does anything to diminish or decanonize Aliens that won't go over too well. Anyway, I don't think Fox would let him.
And yet they're going to let Blomkamp more or less do away with Alien 3 and Resurrection. I'm sure a lot of fans are happy about that but... I'm in the Alien 3 camp, and I personally don't like the whole retconning thing but you know.. as long as they don't do "it was aaaaaaall a dream!' then... I might be okay with it and just stick with Alien 3 and Resurrection, more so Alien 3.
As I recall from your previous posts, you are of the opinion that a multi continuity approach is not a bad thing. I would agree with that. I think the hard-core fans have grown to love Alien 3 over time, but the masses probably don't remember that film. Keeping that in mind, the comparison about retconning Ailen 3 or Aliens just kind of falls flat. Retconning Aliens would be almost universally seen as destroying one of the pillars of Science Fiction, whereas, retconning Alien 3 is just one of those films that only a niche would be upset if it went away. The magic here is that it won't go away. We get to keep our Blu-ray copies and we get to explore an alternate timeline! How epic is that? Blomkamp, please don't frak it up...
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Oct 16, 2015, 04:21:36 AM
As I recall from your previous posts, you are of the opinion that a multi continuity approach is not a bad thing. I would agree with that. I think the hard-core fans have grown to love Alien 3 over time, but the masses probably don't remember that film.
I am okay with that. But it all depends on how they approach doing these kinds of things, you know?
The more that's teased, the more I get hyped for the Colonial Marines to return to the big screen for the first time in 30 years.
I know it's silly, but the fact they've
ACM'd it with silly attachments and whatnot brought back ugly memories of the game.
Quote from: Darkness on Oct 15, 2015, 06:57:20 PMWhat's RIS stand for?
You kinda got an answer, but to clarify - RIS is Rail Interface System. It's those chequerboard-looking tracks near the front that all the attachments are mounted on. Basically allows soldiers to quickly switch out sights and optics and whatnot in the field without having to worry about zeroing them to the weapon every time.
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Oct 16, 2015, 04:21:36 AM
Alien 3 is just one of those films that only a niche would be upset if it went away.
I think the niche is bigger than you think. Heck even the director of the new King Kong movie expressed his concern over this.
Either way, retconning Alien 3 might have a bigger impact than people realise. If they don't re-establish that aliens take traits from their hosts (ala Dog/Ox alien) then we'll really start to see a difference. They could begin to change the very alien itself not just the plot.
That trait was intended as far back as Alien though. I don't think it wouldn't change anything really. Next time they wanted it to happen, they'd make it happen.
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Oct 16, 2015, 04:21:36 AM
As I recall from your previous posts, you are of the opinion that a multi continuity approach is not a bad thing. I would agree with that. I think the hard-core fans have grown to love Alien 3 over time, but the masses probably don't remember that film. Keeping that in mind, the comparison about retconning Ailen 3 or Aliens just kind of falls flat. Retconning Aliens would be almost universally seen as destroying one of the pillars of Science Fiction, whereas, retconning Alien 3 is just one of those films that only a niche would be upset if it went away. The magic here is that it won't go away. We get to keep our Blu-ray copies and we get to explore an alternate timeline! How epic is that? Blomkamp, please don't frak it up...
??? It's not like these films will just vanish from existence if they were erased within the continuation of their own storyline. They will still be there and enjoyed by fans.
As for the rifle, I'll be honest; not a fan of the accessory. Not to say that Pulse Rifles can't have them or that the particular one being used is redundant; it just needs to feel unique and ahead of our time. This accessory doesn't strike me as so. :(
Is anyone NOT looking at Alien 5 as a spinoff? Blomkamp seems to be interested only in making his own sequel and not actually contributing to the already established alien saga. We will always have aliens that take on host traits, even if he changes this, they will just be alternate types to me.
BTW I am expecting more of a colonial marines movie with aliens, rather then an alien/aliens movie with colonial marines if you know what I mean. Still excited but keeping realistic expectations.
Quote from: bloodinthemud on Oct 16, 2015, 08:51:39 AM
BTW I am expecting more of a colonial marines movie with aliens, rather then an alien/aliens movie with colonial marines if you know what I mean. Still excited but keeping realistic expectations.
Would have guessed based on whom you swore your allegiance to on this forum, Mud. ;)
I definitely know what you mean, it is nice to see them back.
Quote from: System Apollo on Oct 16, 2015, 08:57:02 AM
Quote from: bloodinthemud on Oct 16, 2015, 08:51:39 AM
BTW I am expecting more of a colonial marines movie with aliens, rather then an alien/aliens movie with colonial marines if you know what I mean. Still excited but keeping realistic expectations.
Would have guessed based on whom you swore your allegiance to on this forum, Mud. ;)
I definitely know what you mean, it is nice to see them back.
lol! Didn't even occur to me. Surprisingly I'd prefer a decent survival horror type movie which happens to have marines which get picked off just as easily as any civilian characters, rather then badasses that go down guns blazing.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Oct 16, 2015, 08:41:34 AM
That trait was intended as far back as Alien though. I don't think it wouldn't change anything really. Next time they wanted it to happen, they'd make it happen.
Intended since Alien, yes. Not on screen until 3.
But if they didn't reintroduce it...
I'm not saying this is a bad thing, because it has potential to show another path but the alien is something that could also gain
accessories like the pulse rifle.
For those curious, the optics is a Sight Mark which are in fact not holographic but reflex sights.
(https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpl1/v/t1.0-9/12115598_10153060921956583_6783847490838786075_n.jpg?oh=624bd53b9478c796903cad142b515cff&oe=568DFE15)
But would Hudson approve?
He didn't need a red dot or any sights.
Ultimate weapon for the ultimate badass
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Oct 15, 2015, 10:44:01 PM
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This is an M14.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.springfield-armory.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2014%2F03%2FAA9625_1200x3061.png&hash=6efcea13f66a5e4a0f4749e89b3eed52628433b1)
This is an M14 Socom.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/PEO_M14_EBR.jpg/1024px-PEO_M14_EBR.jpg)
This is an M14 EBR.
They're all variants of the same platform. And I could do the same with near enough any rifle. There is absolutely nothing wrong with there being variants of the original Pulse Rifle.
And to add to that, Alien 5 will very likely take place 30 years or more after Aliens. The traditional pulse rifle will be starting to get a little bit dated by then. So it would make sense to retrofit or upgrade it to keep up with the times.
The M14 was introduced in 1964 and modified versions are still in service today. Not everyone will like the new Pulse Rifle design but at least the reason for retrofitting it is realistic.
Quote from: TS on Oct 15, 2015, 07:32:38 PM
Usually it's a bad sign when a director starts talking about weapons for an Alien movie...just saying.look at the Andersons and Strausse Bros...
Yes, exactly. Any director can make a replica and put it in his movie. Its blows my mind how hyped people are for this film considering we know NOTHING about it. Blomkamp just throws around phrases like "genetic sibling to aliens" and shows pictures of hicks and people lose their minds. Does no one remember the Strause Brothers doing the same thing? (i.e. "back to the roots")
Aliens was not a good movie simply because Hicks was in it. Likewise putting Hicks in Alien 5 wont magically make it a good movie. It could absolutely suck. I'm very worried that if Blomkamp does retcon Alien 3&4 we'll be getting a film that's of the quality of Chappie or Elysium in their place. God that would suck.
Hope im wrong, but the chances that this will be a better film than Alien 3 are very slim. How i wish the Blade Runner sequel team would also do Alien V, i mean Sicario was incredible. Denis Villeneuve would nail that alien atmosphere and tense but not overblown action.
Quote from: marrerom on Oct 16, 2015, 12:33:09 PMAny director can make a replica and put it in his movie. Its blows my mind how hyped people are for this film considering we know NOTHING about it. Blomkamp just throws around phrases like "genetic sibling to aliens" and shows pictures of hicks and people lose their minds. Does no one remember the Strause Brothers doing the same thing? (i.e. "back to the roots")
Aliens was not a good movie simply because Hicks was in it. Likewise putting Hicks in Alien 5 wont magically make it a good movie. It could absolutely suck. I'm very worried that if Blomkamp does retcon Alien 3&4 we'll be getting a film that's of the quality of Chappie or Elysium in their place. God that would suck.
Yeah, this. Solid points.
sight facing wrong side, FIAL :)
Sight Marks face that way. IIRC reflex sights face that direction whilst holographics are the other way around.
Looks like shit. Next step will be ADI aliens design or WETA designs with ADI influence.
still this look like shit, no doubt
What's with the rail system? This is what happens when you have a fan in control of the film.
This is what happens when you have Randy Pitchford in control of the game.
I don't get how he's got a hold of this prop, assuming it's from the movie, when production hasn't even started on it yet.
Quote from: Darkness on Oct 16, 2015, 01:43:28 PMI don't get how he's got a hold of this prop, assuming it's from the movie, when production hasn't even started on it yet.
Pre-vis? We know Blomkamp loves his weapons, he could've had one mocked up.
QuoteIts blows my mind how hyped people are for this film considering we know NOTHING about it.
It's okay to be excited about things.
It's funny how my original post was deleted...weird people around here...
Some people just don't seem to understand that without properly showing the Alien and without an awesome story and horror and suspense, an Alien movie would suck. It's not about guns or actors. The Alien is the only actor that really matters.
It's a good thing they decided to slap a bunch of unnecessary modern-day accessories on a futuristic weapon to make sure they appealed to the "tacticool" CoD xx420noScopexx audience.
Way to f**k it up, Neill.
Wow, what a load of unwarranted negativity.
^Sums up most of the thread.
It's really just lazy on the part of the prop master. Hardly unwarranted, I and lots of other are just sick of this kind of practice that aims to "future-up" stuff in nearly every movie that's come out for a while now.
Quote from: Origin on Oct 16, 2015, 09:28:38 PM
It's really just lazy on the part of the prop master. Hardly unwarranted, I and lots of other are just sick of this kind of practice that aims to "future-up" stuff in nearly every movie that's come out for a while now.
As Huda mentioned, it's most likely just a mock-up he threw together himself in order to get fan feedback. The movie doesn't even
have a prop master yet. It's highly unlikely that the ones that will appear in the film will be using contemporary off-the-shelf reflex sights and rails. I'm pretty sure Neill knows better than that. ;)
Quote from: bloodinthemud on Oct 16, 2015, 08:51:39 AM
Is anyone NOT looking at Alien 5 as a spinoff? Blomkamp seems to be interested only in making his own sequel and not actually contributing to the already established alien saga. We will always have aliens that take on host traits, even if he changes this, they will just be alternate types to me.
BTW I am expecting more of a colonial marines movie with aliens, rather then an alien/aliens movie with colonial marines if you know what I mean. Still excited but keeping realistic expectations.
This. This is what I am thinking Blomkamp has in mind. There's no reason why movies 3 & 4 have to be retconned at all. There's no reason why 'ALIEN 5' and the other 2 movies can't exist in the same Universe and share the same time line without bitchslapping each other around, competing for canonicity.
The only thing that's preventing this being the case is the insistence that Ripley and Hicks
MUST be in it. I say ditch 'em and bring a fresh batch of characters into the new movie and send the USCM into the fray once again in a story that runs parallel to the events depicted in 'ALIEN 3'. That's an outcome I'm hoping for.
Honestly, Ripley is done. She's dead. I really don't want 60+ year old Rippers taking down xenos once again. That's just lame. Soooo lame.
It would have been great in 1988!
But not now.
-Windebieste.
Not really a fan of all of the changes, most of the stuff mounted onto the rails (and the flash suppressor) really seem to break up the classic design. And that giant laser module looks kinda silly mounted on the side. I would think that far into the future a targeting laser/illuminator would be miniaturized quite a bit.
Since it does look like there probably will be Colonial Marines in the film (and not just their weaponry) I wonder if we will see any changes to the armor.
Looks awesome to me. Can't wait to see it in action.
Quote from: windebieste on Oct 16, 2015, 10:35:09 PM
Quote from: bloodinthemud on Oct 16, 2015, 08:51:39 AM
Is anyone NOT looking at Alien 5 as a spinoff? Blomkamp seems to be interested only in making his own sequel and not actually contributing to the already established alien saga. We will always have aliens that take on host traits, even if he changes this, they will just be alternate types to me.
BTW I am expecting more of a colonial marines movie with aliens, rather then an alien/aliens movie with colonial marines if you know what I mean. Still excited but keeping realistic expectations.
This. This is what I am thinking Blomkamp has in mind. There's no reason why movies 3 & 4 have to be retconned at all. There's no reason why 'ALIEN 5' and the other 2 movies can't exist in the same Universe and share the same time line without bitchslapping each other around, competing for canonicity.
The only thing that's preventing this being the case is the insistence that Ripley and Hicks MUST be in it. I say ditch 'em and bring a fresh batch of characters into the new movie and send the USCM into the fray once again in a story that runs parallel to the events depicted in 'ALIEN 3'. That's an outcome I'm hoping for.
Honestly, Ripley is done. She's dead. I really don't want 60+ year old Rippers taking down xenos once again. That's just lame. Soooo lame.
It would have been great in 1988!
But not now.
-Windebieste.
I agree. Do something with the back up team that was coming in 17 weeks. Plenty of scope there.
This looks like an airsoft gun, I it's going make it into the final film. Looks amateur and uncool.
Well, I'm not sticking around for the rest of this bratty thread.
N.B., if you're checking this site just know that the true fans have got your back. You're literally the only guy in Hollywood suitable to pull off fixing this most beloved but broken franchise. Everything you're doing is spot on, keep it up. If you have to toss out a couple of notoriously bad films, so be it. When some snot nosed punk insinuates that your efforts are 'fan fiction' just remember that you've actually made kick ass movies instead of wasting away behind a keyboard in your parent's basement. I have every bit of faith in you & may your Alien blow the rest out of the g*****n airlock!
At least they're pulse rifles. Sounds good to me.
Just make it sound as good as this.
http://youtu.be/eWLSd75mrqg (http://youtu.be/eWLSd75mrqg)
Quote from: 8BA on Oct 17, 2015, 01:02:01 AM
Well, I'm not sticking around for the rest of this bratty thread.
N.B., if you're checking this site just know that the true fans have got your back. You're literally the only guy in Hollywood suitable to pull off fixing this most beloved but broken franchise. Everything you're doing is spot on, keep it up. If you have to toss out a couple of notoriously bad films, so be it. When some snot nosed punk insinuates that your efforts are 'fan fiction' just remember that you've actually made kick ass movies instead of wasting away behind a keyboard in your parent's basement. I have every bit of faith in you & may your Alien blow the rest out of the g*****n airlock!
This! Preach on Brother 8BA!
So suddenly people aren't allowed to have opinions? While the added sight and rails are practical it does look lazy that it's just tacked on. Why not have the sight integrated into the carry handle? Why not have the rails be incorporated into the frame instead just having them be drilled in?
Quote from: 8BA on Oct 17, 2015, 01:02:01 AM
Well, I'm not sticking around for the rest of this bratty thread.
N.B., if you're checking this site just know that the true fans have got your back. You're literally the only guy in Hollywood suitable to pull off fixing this most beloved but broken franchise. Everything you're doing is spot on, keep it up. If you have to toss out a couple of notoriously bad films, so be it. When some snot nosed punk insinuates that your efforts are 'fan fiction' just remember that you've actually made kick ass movies instead of wasting away behind a keyboard in your parent's basement. I have every bit of faith in you & may your Alien blow the rest out of the g*****n airlock!
What concerns me most about Blomkamp is that his films, as obviously influenced by ALIENS and ALIEN as they are, they are not really thrillers in the sense of having any real sense of dread-ridden-suspense, and that is the most important element in an Alien film. I see his other films and the tech stuff and I think, "Great. It looks like this takes place in the same universe as Alien." He says he wants to make sure this film suspenseful. This is where he isn't necessarily equipped for the job so Id like to see more attn paid to that stuff. But I hope he wont lose sight of that making all these toys.
Pulse Rifles are cool and all. But cool stuff doesn't equal a good movie.
Quote from: 8BA on Oct 17, 2015, 01:02:01 AM
Well, I'm not sticking around for the rest of this bratty thread.
N.B., if you're checking this site just know that the true fans have got your back. You're literally the only guy in Hollywood suitable to pull off fixing this most beloved but broken franchise. Everything you're doing is spot on, keep it up. If you have to toss out a couple of notoriously bad films, so be it. When some snot nosed punk insinuates that your efforts are 'fan fiction' just remember that you've actually made kick ass movies instead of wasting away behind a keyboard in your parent's basement. I have every bit of faith in you & may your Alien blow the rest out of the g*****n airlock!
LOL!
wow.
Personally I'd love if NB would do AVP3 instead. The man could pull it off and make a great AVP movie.
QuoteSo suddenly people aren't allowed to have opinions?
The problem is people who can't separate their disdain of the retcon from the relevant topic. Many aren't even talking about the rifle, just the retcon, with the usual condescension.
Quote from: PVTDukeMorrison on Oct 17, 2015, 03:54:13 AM
While the added sight and rails are practical it does look lazy that it's just tacked on. Why not have the sight integrated into the carry handle? Why not have the rails be incorporated into the frame instead just having them be drilled in?
The thing is, we don't know the story behind the pulse rifle. It could belong to Hicks and he might have decided to mod it himself. Or maybe it belongs to a special forces branch, as you well know they like (and are usually allowed) to modify their own weapons.
Quote from: Kelgaard on Oct 17, 2015, 10:02:50 AM
QuoteSo suddenly people aren't allowed to have opinions?
The problem is people who can't separate their disdain of the retcon from the relevant topic. Many aren't even talking about the rifle, just the retcon, with the usual condescension.
Constructive criticism is welcome. These modifications are obviously not everybody's cup of tea. But going on an inane rant about how "dis "moovie is gonna suxs 'cuase i dont likes teh new pulse rifles" is just childish.
Quote from: Kelgaard on Oct 17, 2015, 10:02:50 AM
QuoteSo suddenly people aren't allowed to have opinions?
The problem is people who can't separate their disdain of the retcon from the relevant topic. Many aren't even talking about the rifle, just the retcon, with the usual condescension.
Which is almost as bad as the people who just complain about other people :laugh: :-X
Man, that's another thing that gets me! Lemme tel u wat I hate bout dat bloodinthemud guy...
Quote from: PVTDukeMorrison on Oct 17, 2015, 03:54:13 AM
So suddenly people aren't allowed to have opinions? While the added sight and rails are practical it does look lazy that it's just tacked on. Why not have the sight integrated into the carry handle? Why not have the rails be incorporated into the frame instead just having them be drilled in?
It could be an integral part of the story for all we know. Remember when Ripley added all that fancy gear to her pulse rifle? What if Blomkamp wants to do something along those lines? It would be so much better if the M41-A was already set up for such expansion.
I think we can all agree that we want the film to be good. Its just that some (including myself) are skeptical of Blomkamps approach. Although its not confirmed it has been suggested that he'll be retconning half the series which is a controversial move to put it lightly. On top of that no one can deny that his last two films have been of diminished quality in terms of story telling. So the critics have valid concerns and him showing a picture of a replica does nothing to dissuade them. I'd rather he just come out and say where his film fits within the continuity and get it over with.
Quote from: marrerom on Oct 17, 2015, 02:00:16 PM
I think we can all agree that we want the film to be good. Its just that some (including myself) are skeptical of Blomkamps approach. Although its not confirmed it has been suggested that he'll be retconning half the series which is a controversial move to put it lightly. On top of that no one can deny that his last two films have been of diminished quality in terms of story telling. So the critics have valid concerns and him showing a picture of a replica does nothing to dissuade them. I'd rather he just come out and say where his film fits within the continuity and get it over with.
Well said. It's like your boss bringing in donuts for everybody when there are rumours going around that there are layoffs looming...
Quote from: marrerom on Oct 17, 2015, 02:00:16 PM
I think we can all agree that we want the film to be good. Its just that some (including myself) are skeptical of Blomkamps approach. Although its not confirmed it has been suggested that he'll be retconning half the series which is a controversial move to put it lightly. On top of that no one can deny that his last two films have been of diminished quality in terms of story telling. So the critics have valid concerns and him showing a picture of a replica does nothing to dissuade them. I'd rather he just come out and say where his film fits within the continuity and get it over with.
This ^^
As for the Pulse rifle, what's the point of the rail system and attachments? The pulse rifle is an 80's gun. Look cool and shoot from the hip, dousing it in tinsle defeats the gun. Keep it simple and if you want integrate the laser but keep the Iron sights.
Quote from: whiterabbit on Oct 17, 2015, 09:41:23 AM
wow.
Personally I'd love if NB would do AVP3 instead. The man could pull it off and make a great AVP movie.
This. He would be perfect for a AVP movie, a proper Alien sequel will need a director like Denid Villeneuve to pull it off succesfully. I know that i may come off as a negative nancy around here, i just hope we get something that has substance next to the pretty tech and explosions. NB could very well surprise us, he is still better than most young directors out there and District 9 is still ace. To early to tell but seems like he isn't on the same level as Scott, Cameron, Fincher or Jenuet, but well see. Hope for the best.
Quote from: hfeldhaus on Oct 17, 2015, 02:44:16 PM
As for the Pulse rifle, what's the point of the rail system and attachments? The pulse rifle is an 80's gun. Look cool and shoot from the hip, dousing it in tinsle defeats the gun. Keep it simple and if you want integrate the laser but keep the Iron sights.
It's not the 80s anymore. As much as I love the PR, I hate that it doesn't have any sights. The handle could/is/maybe supposed to be iron sights but it's poor. One of the very very very very few things A:CM did right was having attachments. It should be able to field more than whats on it. The future is about modular weaponry. What grounds Alien and Aliens so well is that it seems futuristic but modern at the say time.
Nothing wrong with this being a M41-B Pulse Rifle.
That said...I do dislike the PEQ box and the flash-hider. The PEQ box seems redudant as the Sight Mark on the rifle atm has a dual sight version with a laser sight as well as the reflex itself and it ruins the flow of the weapon too much. The flash hider I just don't like the asthetic.
It's not the 80's but if the modern version looks like this then no thanks. It's been said in this thread but it looks like a CoD gun and that's never a good thing. If Blomkamp wants to make a 'true' sequel to Aliens he should adhere to the style, like CA did with Alien Isolation. The sights aren't a problem either, it's a gun of aesthetics not practicality.
Quote from: hfeldhaus on Oct 17, 2015, 04:05:01 PMIf Blomkamp wants to make a 'true' sequel to Aliens he should adhere to the style, like CA did with Alien Isolation.
This is actually a solid point. CA specifically duplicated the look and tech of
Alien regardless of how technology has advanced in the mean time, and it helped that game
immeasurably. Altering things just because you can feels unnecessary.
Of course, maybe there are reasons in Blomkamp's script, but I think hfeldhaus' raises a good point.
It will be Hick's personal Pulse Rifle.
It's the one from Aliens.
That look cant be the one we will se in the movie because it just looks like a home made fan extended Pulse rifle. :) I think as the movie should take place 25-30 years after Aliens than they should upgrade the look of the gun obviously(like Force Awakens will after 32 years after Return of the Jedi), and they not in prepro that much to have a final look prop from the film.Blomkamp just finished the first draft.
For the retcon/not retcon thing i think its very much important for the fans if its always topic, and we all fans knows what happend in A3 and Ressurection no matter how old a fan is and who havent seen the last two i think not a real fan.
It was mentioned it shouldnt include Ripley and Hicks and would be easier to do a stand alone spin off of course but its all started as Sigourney wanted to finish Ripleys story in a proper way and she dont wanted to continue from wher Res left that movie would made aroun 2001 there was a script but she dont wanted to do becaudlse Eart setting or who knows why...so the only way to follow up is after the Aliens/Alien 3 era which i like but i still like A3 and Res and i dont want to get retconned or multiverse..so what could be the solution makes everyone happy?
Quote from: hfeldhaus on Oct 17, 2015, 04:05:01 PM
If Blomkamp wants to make a 'true' sequel to Aliens he should adhere to the style, like CA did with Alien Isolation.
CA made a digitigrade alien which completely disregards what we know of Alien's life-cycle. The whole aesthetic of the game was spot on though.
Yes but that was a game mechanic.
Quote from: Danny Harrigan on Oct 17, 2015, 07:18:40 PM
It was mentioned it shouldnt include Ripley and Hicks and would be easier to do a stand alone spin off of course but its all started as Sigourney wanted to finish Ripleys story in a proper way and she dont wanted to continue from wher Res left that movie would made aroun 2001 there was a script but she dont wanted to do becaudlse Eart setting or who knows why...so the only way to follow up is after the Aliens/Alien 3 era which i like but i still like A3 and Res and i dont want to get retconned or multiverse..so what could be the solution makes everyone happy?
Thoughts broken into coherent sentences.
Quote from: Kelgaard on Oct 17, 2015, 01:06:10 PM
Man, that's another thing that gets me! Lemme tel u wat I hate bout dat bloodinthemud guy...
lol i no rite! what an ass hole
Back on track though, hopefully the smartguns also make a return, motion trackers, the whole cm deal.
Quote from: Danny Harrigan on Oct 17, 2015, 07:18:40 PM
That look cant be the one we will se in the movie because it just looks like a home made fan extended Pulse rifle. :) I think as the movie should take place 25-30 years after Aliens than they should upgrade the look of the gun obviously(like Force Awakens will after 32 years after Return of the Jedi), and they not in prepro that much to have a final look prop from the film.Blomkamp just finished the first draft.
For the retcon/not retcon thing i think its very much important for the fans if its always topic, and we all fans knows what happend in A3 and Ressurection no matter how old a fan is and who havent seen the last two i think not a real fan.
It was mentioned it shouldnt include Ripley and Hicks and would be easier to do a stand alone spin off of course but its all started as Sigourney wanted to finish Ripleys story in a proper way and she dont wanted to continue from wher Res left that movie would made aroun 2001 there was a script but she dont wanted to do becaudlse Eart setting or who knows why...so the only way to follow up is after the Aliens/Alien 3 era which i like but i still like A3 and Res and i dont want to get retconned or multiverse..so what could be the solution makes everyone happy?
I think Blomkamp's film being set between Aliens and Alien3 would be a perfect solution. This way the Aliens fanboys get to have their dream follow up film to Aliens and it wont affect the continuity of the rest of the series.
Quote from: marrerom on Oct 18, 2015, 02:36:22 AM
Quote from: Danny Harrigan on Oct 17, 2015, 07:18:40 PM
That look cant be the one we will se in the movie because it just looks like a home made fan extended Pulse rifle. :) I think as the movie should take place 25-30 years after Aliens than they should upgrade the look of the gun obviously(like Force Awakens will after 32 years after Return of the Jedi), and they not in prepro that much to have a final look prop from the film.Blomkamp just finished the first draft.
For the retcon/not retcon thing i think its very much important for the fans if its always topic, and we all fans knows what happend in A3 and Ressurection no matter how old a fan is and who havent seen the last two i think not a real fan.
It was mentioned it shouldnt include Ripley and Hicks and would be easier to do a stand alone spin off of course but its all started as Sigourney wanted to finish Ripleys story in a proper way and she dont wanted to continue from wher Res left that movie would made aroun 2001 there was a script but she dont wanted to do becaudlse Eart setting or who knows why...so the only way to follow up is after the Aliens/Alien 3 era which i like but i still like A3 and Res and i dont want to get retconned or multiverse..so what could be the solution makes everyone happy?
I think Blomkamp's film being set between Aliens and Alien3 would be a perfect solution. This way the Aliens fanboys get to have their dream follow up film to Aliens and it wont affect the continuity of the rest of the series.
We're all fanboys here (fangirls too). I hope you don't mean that term in a disparaging way.
The solution presented above can't work. The actors are 30 years older. It would make sense to digitally de-age them for a few scenes, but for a whole movie? Methinks no.
In addition, fitting a story in between the films would be like trying to milk everything possible out of the Aliens aesthetic with the understanding that the ending of the story is fixed. The main characters would be doomed. Aliens fans will be satisfied when the continuity is severed and the story possibilities are open-ended with a new continuity direction created.
I think he means doing away with Ripley and Hicks. They really should do something with the back up Marines that were on their way to LV 426. We'll get Colonial Marines and it would be much less messy.
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Oct 18, 2015, 03:23:04 AM
We're all fanboys here (fangirls too). I hope you don't mean that term in a disparaging way.
No I didn't mean it in a negative way. I just know that Aliens as a film specifically has a very passionate following.
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Oct 18, 2015, 03:23:04 AM
The solution presented above can't work. The actors are 30 years older. It would make sense to digitally de-age them for a few scenes, but for a whole movie? Methinks no.
Why not? The last film I've seen that used that technology was Terminator Genisys. For the scenes that took place in the 80's Arnold looks flawless. I think that it could and should be done.
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Oct 18, 2015, 03:23:04 AM
In addition, fitting a story in between the films would be like trying to milk everything possible out of the Aliens aesthetic with the understanding that the ending of the story is fixed. The main characters would be doomed. Aliens fans will be satisfied when the continuity is severed and the story possibilities are open-ended with a new continuity direction created.
I believe that as long as the story was good it wouldn't matter. A film set between Aliens and Alien 3 could be a good send off for those characters and fill the void that many Aliens fans have. Specifically, seeing a return of the militaristic themes that weren't carried over into Alien 3 &4. This way the fanbase gets their Aliens sequel and also keeps the series continuity intact.
Quote from: marrerom on Oct 18, 2015, 04:12:43 AM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Oct 18, 2015, 03:23:04 AM
We're all fanboys here (fangirls too). I hope you don't mean that term in a disparaging way.
No I didn't mean it in a negative way. I just know that Aliens as a film specifically has a very passionate following.
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Oct 18, 2015, 03:23:04 AM
The solution presented above can't work. The actors are 30 years older. It would make sense to digitally de-age them for a few scenes, but for a whole movie? Methinks no.
Why not? The last film I've seen that used that technology was Terminator Genisys. For the scenes that took place in the 80's Arnold looks flawless. I think that it could and should be done.
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Oct 18, 2015, 03:23:04 AM
In addition, fitting a story in between the films would be like trying to milk everything possible out of the Aliens aesthetic with the understanding that the ending of the story is fixed. The main characters would be doomed. Aliens fans will be satisfied when the continuity is severed and the story possibilities are open-ended with a new continuity direction created.
I believe that as long as the story was good it wouldn't matter. A film set between Aliens and Alien 3 could be a good send off for those characters and fill the void that many Aliens fans have. Specifically, seeing a return of the militaristic themes that weren't carried over into Alien 3 &4. This way the fanbase gets their Aliens sequel and also keeps the series continuity intact.
I also think this is a possibility. Where in the end it is up to you to decide whether you want to ignore the age thing and consider this a sequel between aliens and a3 or if you want to consider it a finale and wipe out a3 and 4.
Again, we really dont know enough but we've all seen the concept art. Clearly we are in for some adjustments.
the USCM was ispired by the vietnam war era.... not call of duty. i dotn see why a universe were there were no rail systems and modern attachments would all of a sudden have them.. it doesn't feel or look right. i hope thy dont go hog wild and make everything completely different DONT TOUCH THE MARINES ARMOR AND UNIFORMS!!!! >:(
;D :) :)
this is awesome!! i cant what to see this them41a pulse rifles are back!! ;)
thank god i loved the guns in aliens..
i just hope corporal hicks is back to ;D
Quote from: marrerom on Oct 18, 2015, 04:12:43 AMWhy not? The last film I've seen that used that technology was Terminator Genisys. For the scenes that took place in the 80's Arnold looks flawless. I think that it could and should be done.
Prohibitively expensive and time-consuming to do it for an
entire movie.
Saying the guns in Aliens not looking futuristic now compared to when they did, in Aliens, is odd, given that those weapons are WWII replicas with some extra modeling and body added.
My favorite weapon was the smartguns though, with the steadicam vests. So meta. XD
It's not odd as they're dressed up to look futuristic. You wouldn't know that was a Thompson under the PR without being told.
But as I said before, there's nothing wrong with adding rails to it. It's unfair to call it "COD" fanboy wankerisms or whatever as it is what modern rifles are doing. It is realistic and it is happening in the real world and it's not due to Call of Duty (and I hate that game too). And again, as I said before, there's a level of restraint to be had and for me that is the unnecessaryness (yes, I know it's not a word) that is the PEQ box.
There's nothing saying this isn't following the Aliens aesthetic. We've seen one prop so far that is undeniably a Pulse Rifle with added realistic flavour. I'm hoping this isn't the final look for the thing as I'm not fond of some of what's on the picture but to condemn the film based on a little tease is unfair.
Quote from: NickisSmart on Oct 19, 2015, 07:48:02 AMSaying the guns in Aliens not looking futuristic now compared to when they did, in Aliens, is odd, given that those weapons are WWII replicas with some extra modeling and body added.
They weren't meant to be WWII-era guns though... Sure, that's what Bapty used to build them, but their fictional specs were very much futuristic technology (to the point where caseless ammunition still hasn't really been cracked).
Why not have accessories fully integrated into the pulse rifle design almost like options available to the individual's specific needs from new? Seems that would be something a future military weapon would have. Rather then modern systems on an 80's future gun.
A version with integrated sight into the handle (kind of like the G36s) could have been interesting to see!
The concept arts shows Hicks and Ripley old as the actors are, so i don't think that's a plan for the movie to take place between Aliens and Alien 3.
Maybe a few scenes like in TGenysy they get a younger look just to explain what happened to them.
But if takes between AS and A3 as a second part of Aliens the movie could explain how the eggs getting on board of Sulaco or why the cryo tubes are different.Maybe thats an another Sulaco which first picks up Ripley and the folks (we have a half Bishop as well)and than they go to the Derelict which is still in place after the detonation and theres a laboratory too as the concept shows.That would explain Wyc exactly knows where was the Derelict and the colony was there to have people to be hosts.
all those rails and accessories existed in 1986, leaving them out from the weapons was a design choice by Cameron (he got involved in this stuff) and the crew, possibly something to do with the complex headsets and trackers that the marines carried, the smartgun operator certainly didn't need something primitive like sights, who knows. definitely not a budget problem as they had dozens of guns in the background racks that were never even used like old british rifles.
knowing that it's hard not to think that adding modern accessories everywhere isn't more than a decision coming from a really basic videogames-focused inspiration
overall a pretty small "bad sign" though and i'm expecting some good concepts will still come out later for this movie (please drop the alien suit)
Maybe a more convincing advancement on the aliens equipment would be to incorporate the motion tracker screen onto the side of the pulse rifle, and perhaps able to be folded shut or completely detached.
Maybe the bulky motion tracker's inner workings can be in place of the grenade launcher, so then we have completely alternate versions of the pulse rifle with the same primary firing mode... On that note, take a page from the xm8, same weapon platform with multiple layouts available depending on the operator's role in the squad.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.globalsecurity.org%2Fmilitary%2Fsystems%2Fground%2Fimages%2Fxm8-poster.jpg&hash=3de82c6000d91e5e823806a8d24f50edbc85fc39)
Quote from: Danny Harrigan on Oct 20, 2015, 12:24:33 AMMaybe thats an another Sulaco which first picks up Ripley and the folks (we have a half Bishop as well)and than they go to the Derelict
People keep coming out with ideas like this without ever bothering to ask
why. Why the hell would Weyland-Yutani kidnap them only to set them on their way again and then later be so desperate to recover Ripley on Fury? It makes no sense. Same as the silly cloning idea that's been suggested. There's no logical endgame.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Oct 20, 2015, 12:40:53 PM
Quote from: Danny Harrigan on Oct 20, 2015, 12:24:33 AMMaybe thats an another Sulaco which first picks up Ripley and the folks (we have a half Bishop as well)and than they go to the Derelict
People keep coming out with ideas like this without ever bothering to ask why. Why the hell would Weyland-Yutani kidnap them only to set them on their way again and then later be so desperate to recover Ripley on Fury? It makes no sense. Same as the silly cloning idea that's been suggested. There's no logical endgame.
Exactly. Either have the balls to do the full retcon or do a completely different film without the old characters. No time travel. No cloning. No android imposters.
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Oct 20, 2015, 02:00:15 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Oct 20, 2015, 12:40:53 PM
Quote from: Danny Harrigan on Oct 20, 2015, 12:24:33 AMMaybe thats an another Sulaco which first picks up Ripley and the folks (we have a half Bishop as well)and than they go to the Derelict
People keep coming out with ideas like this without ever bothering to ask why. Why the hell would Weyland-Yutani kidnap them only to set them on their way again and then later be so desperate to recover Ripley on Fury? It makes no sense. Same as the silly cloning idea that's been suggested. There's no logical endgame.
Exactly. Either have the balls to do the full retcon or do a completely different film without the old characters. No time travel. No cloning. No android imposters.
I'd have a lot more respect for the film if it just ignored Alien 3. I'd have even more respect if it didn't have the oldies in it. Is anyone even confident Weaver and Biehn can carry a film these days?
I LOVE the classic pulse rilfe, but to be honest I'm really feeling this design. It isn't too much, and it isn't the same thing we've seen before. Iron sights > red dots every time though.
GAH! that's more insult than anything. A picatinny rail? A generic looking red dot? That laser on the side? It's nice to know midway USA is still around in the future...
Don't forget there's a potterfield vs weyland joke in there somewhere.
Really happy to see more people being specific about their criticisms. My original post was a purely knee jerk reaction, so I'd like to clarify.
The point I believe I was trying to make wasn't that adding accessories/attachments that have a practical use was sacrilege, but rather that if there ARE ones to be used, they need to fit the aesthetic of the era/universe they belong to.
I actually quite like the idea of a more modular Pulse Rifle, in theory. There are tons of great fan-made examples on the internet and I've even dabbled with the idea myself in my own artwork. But I agree using current attachments like those in that image is the wrong way to do it. It's supposed to be the future.
I'm hoping the one in the pic's just a testbed and anything like that in the actual film would use specially created "future" add-ons.
The company could kidnap them because they know too much, they know what was Burke's plan and WYC dont want them to talk to anybody.
My idea:They catch them and bring them back to LV 426 by the backup marines but the marines also becomes prisoners and they wanted them to be hosts or use them for experiments to train the aliens.So they team up with Rip to defeat the company.When they later break out and finally they explode the Derelict and the whole facility that gives the reason WYC need Ripley in Alien 3 again.And i think Bishop is cooperative with Hicks and the others but if the company giving him an instruction he will bring that egg on board in the final minute because thats how he was designed.
But that would work only if the actors have rejuvenating make up.
I think something like that would be better than a full retcon what i hate.As nowadays almost every franchise has a reboot prequel or soft reboot..if someone dont like the idea of between Aliens and Alien 3 that person could think this movie is not connected to the third and forth (as Jurassic World not mentions the last 2 film).The fifth Alien could exist as a third movie but also gives solution for the fans who like the last two film to be canon.
as someone who is in the military, it is very realistic to see outdated tech even on new stuff. This pulse rifle is more believable to me having rails, peq box, and a red dot.
Tacticool incoming.... :-
Love the pulse rifle and it's return. I don't like the rails and the additions in their present look. When I look at the rifle it doesn't scream at me what it's parts are. When I look at the rail and the added sight and laser they are easily identified and feel like something from today's military.
Basically they need to be redressed in order to appear more in line with the existing equipment. Because in their current state they scream what they are and its boring and uninteresting as a result.
Chem rails in the Aliens-verse? Those poor poor cockroaches ;)
Quote from: RagingDragon on Oct 24, 2015, 06:54:47 PM
Tacticool incoming.... :-
You know what other Aliens media had RIS on it's pulse rifles?
Aliens: Colonial Marines :P
Quote from: Xenomrph on Oct 27, 2015, 06:40:57 PM
Quote from: RagingDragon on Oct 24, 2015, 06:54:47 PM
Tacticool incoming.... :-
You know what other Aliens media had RIS on it's pulse rifles?
Aliens: Colonial Marines :P
Mentioning 'that which should not be named' is a ban-able offense! careful! ;) SACRELIG!!!! LOL
I'm not even kidding, the very first thing that popped into my head when I saw the RIS Pulse Rifle photo was "Colonial Marines".
Quote from: Xenomrph on Oct 27, 2015, 07:19:38 PMI'm not even kidding, the very first thing that popped into my head when I saw the RIS Pulse Rifle photo was "Colonial Marines".
Same. And while I know the quality of that game has
no bearing on the film they're making, it's still an unpleasant connection to make.
Quote from: Xenomrph on Oct 27, 2015, 06:40:57 PM
Quote from: RagingDragon on Oct 24, 2015, 06:54:47 PM
Tacticool incoming.... :-
You know what other Aliens media had RIS on it's pulse rifles?
Aliens: Colonial Marines :P
And it was one of the few things that it did right.
Seriously, I can understand those who complain about the
look of these attachments, "Too modern, it's supposed to be da future!!!", and all that, but not at all those who complain about the attachments' presence altogether. It ain't true that it makes no sense for Marines to have them. If anything, it wouldn't make sense for them
not to have them at all.
That argument just feels like unhealthy Aliens worshipping. An extreme.
I love the Pulse Rifle, it's a classic, but I wouldn't like to see it unchanged in a new movie. Would be boring to see the exact same design from 30 years ago again, unchanged and untouched. Especially on a gun that doesn't have that much going on for it like the Smartgun and its targeting system, for example. So bring on dem attachments please. Just, I agree on making them more interesting, I like the idea I read earlier, to have a motion tracker screen mounted on it. Something like that.
While I don't care about the attachments, I don't see why it'd be boring to have the same design. It's a gun. We see the same ones over and over and over and over and over in films that use real weapons and people don't care.
Quote from: SiL on Oct 28, 2015, 09:43:08 AM
We see the same ones over and over and over and over and over in films that use real weapons
Yeah but that's cause they're real weapons. Here, it's sci-fi. They have the freedom and the... "excuse" to do more than propose the same exact design, and they should, in my opinion.
Then, liking the looks of the attachments is another story. I just don't agree on complaining about their presence itself. Even though I got nothing particularly against this design. Corporal Hicks made some good points on the matter. But that's all about taste, you know, when it comes to how things look. And there's no point in arguing over taste, which is what I saw some people do a few pages back.
Quote from: SiL on Oct 28, 2015, 09:43:08 AM
While I don't care about the attachments, I don't see why it'd be boring to have the same design. It's a gun. We see the same ones over and over and over and over and over in films that use real weapons and people don't care.
Agreed 100%. I feel like if as long as the PR sounds the same, and functions the same then I am ok with it. Put scopes and stuff on it. Modular weaponry is a thing. Although I don't like the Call of Duty mentality that comes to mind, I can't be too stuck in the mud over it.
Not enough information...for me, it's yay or nay depending on story...for all their bluster, the troops in Aliens were bottom of the barrel grunts...not sure if it's been said, but in today's military regular troops only ever get standard issue weapons 'cause tricked out gadgets cost way too much to let every soldier with a rifle utilize...however, special forces are allowed to pimp their weaponry as they see fit...modular weaponry is the future...that said, if it turns out the soldiers (if that's in-fact what they even are) using these modded pulse rifles are some sort of specialized units, I gotz no beef with it...
Quote from: PRJ_since1990 on Oct 29, 2015, 01:44:46 AMAlthough I don't like the Call of Duty mentality that comes to mind, I can't be too stuck in the mud over it.
That seems to be something people are projecting onto it though. Attachments like this do exist outside of Call of Duty and related games.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Oct 29, 2015, 10:23:18 PM
Quote from: PRJ_since1990 on Oct 29, 2015, 01:44:46 AMAlthough I don't like the Call of Duty mentality that comes to mind, I can't be too stuck in the mud over it.
That seems to be something people are projecting onto it though. Attachments like this do exist outside of Call of Duty and related games.
While that is true, most of your average everyday infantry don't have access to all sorts of attachments unless they pay for it themselves. What's on the pulse rifle at the moment is nothing really over the top for an infantry unit, especially Marines. A muzzle brake? Boo hoo they're common on every modern firearm that's not in possession of some 3rd world goat herder. The IR laser system? If a unit is going to be conducting night operations it's standard issue. A red dot? Now that one is a little harder to justify, usually an infantry unit will be outfitted with the standard iron sights or a medium to long range telescopic sight (think ACOG or Elcan), it's mostly SOF that you see running around with red dots as they're better for close quarters. This whole "Codifying" BS really needs to stop, it's the shit people use today. What I have an issue with is how it looks tacked on, the rails should really be integrated into the frame and the sight should be integrated into the carry handle a la craptastic G36
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Oct 29, 2015, 10:23:18 PM
Quote from: PRJ_since1990 on Oct 29, 2015, 01:44:46 AMAlthough I don't like the Call of Duty mentality that comes to mind, I can't be too stuck in the mud over it.
That seems to be something people are projecting onto it though. Attachments like this do exist outside of Call of Duty and related games.
Yeah I know. It just has a bad vibe to it, all things considered. It's so ubiquitous in society today that, for someone like myself, I tend not to be affiliated with that crowd.
Like I said, do what you want to it but keep the movie noises and sounds. Please.
Quote from: PVTDukeMorrison on Oct 29, 2015, 11:47:43 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Oct 29, 2015, 10:23:18 PM
Quote from: PRJ_since1990 on Oct 29, 2015, 01:44:46 AMAlthough I don't like the Call of Duty mentality that comes to mind, I can't be too stuck in the mud over it.
That seems to be something people are projecting onto it though. Attachments like this do exist outside of Call of Duty and related games.
While that is true, most of your average everyday infantry don't have access to all sorts of attachments unless they pay for it themselves.
[...] This whole "Codifying" BS really needs to stop, it's the shit people use today.
We live in a world where the best selling game about "realistic" (used loosely) warfare game is worshiped by a population that consists, namely, of immature 10-15 yr olds that shouldn't be playing it and frat house-style bros that shame the gaming community. I could bash this franchise all day because it has systematically ruined the gaming industry and turned it into a Hollywood-like institution where we find fewer and fewer gems among the piles of crap each year. CoD-ifying has ruined many things and I don't want that stupid game series touching our Alien franchise.
I am legitimately concerned that "upgrading" a gun that was futuristic 30 years ago to look like weapons of today will look too out of context, thus hurting the fantasy aspect of the film. Attachments are real. But doesn't it just seem like a cheap attempt to garner attention to slap some optics and/or other bits and bobs to "keep it the same but different?" Last time the PR got an upgrade, it got an additional flamethrower attachment :)
After doing some thinking, these "modernized" props make sense. And it was one of the few things A:CM was able to do.
If you look at Avatar, you can see that had Cameron made ALIENS after the 90s rather than before, the weapons would have had those modernized additions.