... have any of you studied cinematography?
People are saying that AVP-R has no visual style, that it looks cheap, that AVP looked epic etc.
This movie looks a zillion times better than the last installment visually.
AVP looked dull. The angles didn't suck. They passed. But there was no imagination, no flair, and really bad lighting.
AVP-R, though, perhaps due to Pearl, looks great. Dynamic colors (nice use of red and blue), the angles look dynamic.
Now, for one minute overlook the supposed pred bias. Now look at this picture.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/gallery/albums/movies/avp2/productionstills/productionstill01.jpg)
Cheap, right? Dull, boring angles, no lighting, some may even say the alien looks like crud.
Now, the after to the before.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/gallery/albums/movies/avp2/trailerrrated/trailerr51.jpg)
The angle looks great, the lighting gives it more mystique and flair, and the designs look better to those who didn't like them before.
Even somebody with the most fundamental knowledge of cinematography knows which is better.
Whereas AVP had:
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/gallery/albums/movies/avp/dvdcaptures/normal_dvdcapture14.jpg)
Boring stuff. Face on, we see man in suit.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/gallery/albums/movies/avp/dvdcaptures/normal_dvdcapture30.jpg)
Where's the mysterious lighting, the creative angles? Dude, this is a predator. Make it look GOOD.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/gallery/albums/movies/avp/dvdcaptures/normal_dvdcapture27.jpg)
If this one looks good to you, it is because it has a queen in it.
Understand? Yes?
OK. Quiz.
Q. What kind of visual style does AVP-R have?
(Psst. A. A good one.)
The visual style in the store showdown is horrendous. It looked like something out of a fan film, not a multi-million dollar production.
Quote from: SiL on Nov 06, 2007, 01:05:27 AM
The visual style in the store showdown is horrendous. It looked like something out of a fan film, not a multi-million dollar production.
You watch some good fan films...
Scifi channel can't even get lighting near AVP-R's so its not that bad
From what i like and dislike in great films, Id say AVPRs visual style is similar to AVP's, its pretty straight forward and more colorful and less moody than say Finchers orange tint or Camerons blue tints.
Similar films with this more simple cinematography are T3, The X-men films, Superman Returns, fantastic 4, Spiderman etc.
If its a good film it wont matter though.
Quote from: SiL on Nov 06, 2007, 01:05:27 AM
The visual style in the store showdown is horrendous. It looked like something out of a fan film, not a multi-million dollar production.
in my opinion the clip we saw doesnt look or sound complete so i dont see how u can judge something that isnt finished yet
Quote from: Anomaly on Nov 06, 2007, 01:11:02 AM
From what i like and dislike in great films, Id say AVPs visual style is similar to AVP's, its pretty straight forward and more colorful and less moody than say Finchers orange tint or Camerons blue tints.
Similar films with this more simple cinematography are T3, The X-men films, Superman Returns, fantastic 4, Spiderman etc.
If its a good film it wont matter though.
But Genrealy lighting make it all look alot better
Mother of f**k...
I never noticed that the first production picture with the Predator grabbing the Alien was the sewer scene... :-[
AvPR has a great visual style and i like it! The lighting, the dark tone, the LV-426 atmosphere and the rain which is really great choice( Like in the Aliens). Im impressed so far.
I agree, you can tell the angles and lighting, the way the shots are framed is a lot better, making the creatures look like living, mysterious alien beings instead of plastic-y men in suits. I know people have issues with the Alien design, but with the lighting and use of shadow seen in the footage and images so far, they look a lot more convincing than what Anderson came up with, and the flaws are hidden (which is why flaws in the Alien designs in general are less of an issue since they spend so much time obscured in the dark anyway).
Quote from: SiL on Nov 06, 2007, 01:05:27 AM
The visual style in the store showdown is horrendous. It looked like something out of a fan film, not a multi-million dollar production.
sadly i'm inclined to agree...predator destroying aliens does not a good movie make
Quote from: happypred on Nov 06, 2007, 02:33:25 AM
Quote from: SiL on Nov 06, 2007, 01:05:27 AM
The visual style in the store showdown is horrendous. It looked like something out of a fan film, not a multi-million dollar production.
sadly i'm inclined to agree...predator destroying aliens does not a good movie make
Look, I don't know anything about visual style or capturing shots, but thats not what Sil meant...
He meant the way it was shot and presented, not what was being shot
As or my take on it, I can't really tell the difference. Which sounds sad. Maybe if I paid more attention to these things, however, I'd miss the movie. But I agree, the way its shot is important
I've been saying the cinematography is great, for quite some time now. The first preview confirmed that.
However... The last film also had some great visual moments. Ignoring them and then saying people should not ignore those in this one is a bit hypocritical, in my view.
Also, the recent footage is very different, in terms of the editing style, when compared to the preview. SiL wrote that it basically feels immature and there are parts about it which do. Nevertheless, there were a lot of pieces apparently missing and so, in regards to the visual style, I'm willing to give it a pass.
If I was purely judging that clip, though, I wouldn't be very happy. The preview, on the other hand, both looked great and had a nice sense of rhythm to it.
QuoteWhere's the mysterious lighting, the creative angles?
The rest of the movie. Seriously dispite its faults AVP had some pretty bitchin' lighting effects and atmosphere in the pyramid. I firmly believe that Anderson did a fantastic job of taking a shitty alien design and making it look half-way decent through FX and lighting.
I seriously fail to see where the "mystique" and "flaire" is in that AVP-R pic btw, the pic of celtic looks a lot more polished.
it looks ok. nothing spectacular..
if you wanna see some GREAT cinematography just watch KINGKONG or LOTR made by peter
jackson..
actually come to think of it i think the first alien film had a great cinematography as well
at it's time..
i think EVERYONE knows that just the right lighting can make all the difference
and it looks good in the end, nothing bad about it.........
Quote from: SiL on Nov 06, 2007, 01:05:27 AM
The visual style in the store showdown is horrendous. It looked like something out of a fan film, not a multi-million dollar production.
YES EXACTLY!!! I thought I was the only one!! I hope that it wasn't the finished product. Did anyone notice the alien blood pooling next to the body after the Predator killed it with the whip. It was just pooling there with some very slight smoke rising. Shouldn't that have immediately created a gaping hole in the floor. Also, is there a reason why when the alien drops to the floor in front of them they don't immediately start firing at it while it stood there and hissed at them. I think SIL is right. It has the "feel" of a fan film that you would find on YouTube. I think that Batman Dead End on YouTube has a more realistic feel than this scene.
In fairness, whether or not the humans fire on them is probably depending on just what they've seen of the things. It could be their first time. It might be like nothing they have ever witnessed in their entire life.
It's a valid point, although one we'll have to wait and find out the full details of.
I'm guessing the reason they didn't shoot was because their is a lot of stuff cut out. The Predator uses Dallas as bait to lure that Alien out, so I assume when Dallas gets grabbed, the others grab their weapons, but don't fire because Dallas is being held by an invisible monster. Then when the Alien drops down, the Predator throws Dallas away and focuses on the Alien.
Quote from: Yellow Alien on Nov 06, 2007, 05:15:47 AM
I'm guessing the reason they didn't shoot was because their is a lot of stuff cut out. The Predator uses Dallas as bait to lure that Alien out, so I assume when Dallas gets grabbed, the others grab their weapons, but don't fire because Dallas is being held by an invisible monster. Then when the Alien drops down, the Predator throws Dallas away and focuses on the Alien.
Yeah or throws him down cause wolf knows there gonna be and alien there soon then throws him down then hides somewhere then the peope are like WTF!! thenthe alien jumps down there there like AHHHH!!! then the pred comes downand yu no tha rest...........
Quote from: SiL on Nov 06, 2007, 01:05:27 AM
The visual style in the store showdown is horrendous. It looked like something out of a fan film, not a multi-million dollar production.
That's probably because you're watching it in your 19 inch monitor?
Wait until you see it on the bigscreen...you know you will ;)
I think the movie so far looks good, but until we see it in the theater screen we'll be able to enjoy the style and visuals a lot more!
Quote from: Alienseseses on Nov 06, 2007, 01:00:26 AM
People are saying that AVP-R has no visual style, that it looks cheap, that AVP looked epic etc.
I totally disagree with anyone who says that. Anderson just put everything to the same lighting in what seemed to be an attempt to add dark undertones to the film. Nevertheless, the movie does look low-budget.
QuoteCheap, right? Dull, boring angles, no lighting, some may even say the alien looks like crud.
That's what happens in production photos. I wouldn't call that a good example of what people are really complaining about.
QuoteUnderstand? Yes?
That Anderson is a sucky director, and that anyone who doesn't make them look like linebackers fighting against mentally challenged reptiles won't be bashed to the same tune? Sure.
QuoteQ. What kind of visual style does AVP-R have?
(Psst. A. A good one.)
Sorry, you fail the final exam question- the question was "will this really change public perspective," not "how many people are going to think this is better because AVP was utter crap?"
Quote from: Demonio Cazador on Nov 06, 2007, 06:32:17 AM
That's probably because you're watching it in your 19 inch monitor?
108 cm flat screen TV, actually :)
The visual style in the store showdown is horrendous. It looked like something out of a fan film, not a multi-million dollar production.
I agree.
The attention to detail isn't so much the problem as it is that the detail isn't particularly impressive to focus upon in the first place.
I have bad feeling that this film will be quite good from technical point of view. But story, acting and fable will be crap :-\
I've still got faith in the actors. I'm not banking out on anyone 'cause they're TV actors. In alot of cases, TV actors are far better than you're crappy big name Hollywood ones.
Some of the footage shown has a kind of "cartoonish" look to it, and I was hoping for a more natural darker style (and indeed, that Batman: Dead End clip was what I had more in mind). Having said that, the clips we've seen in the rain look great, and the "Store Showdown" clip was far more dynamic than the first AVP. I see myself enjoying this one a lot more.
I'm not talking about what is in the clips, I'm talking about how it was shot.
QuoteQuote from: Alienseseses on Nov 06, 2007, 01:00:26 AM
People are saying that AVP-R has no visual style, that it looks cheap, that AVP looked epic etc.
I totally disagree with anyone who says that. Anderson just put everything to the same lighting in what seemed to be an attempt to add dark undertones to the film. Nevertheless, the movie does look low-budget.
But not for its lighting and angles.
Quote
QuoteCheap, right? Dull, boring angles, no lighting, some may even say the alien looks like crud.
That's what happens in production photos. I wouldn't call that a good example of what people are really complaining about.
My point is that it is a production photo. I'm just trying to give a good example of the differences before and after setting up the shot.
Quote
QuoteUnderstand? Yes?
That Anderson is a sucky director, and that anyone who doesn't make them look like linebackers fighting against mentally challenged reptiles won't be bashed to the same tune? Sure.
No. That the Strauses and Daniel Pearl know what they're doing with the visuals.
Anderson's mistakes number in high, but the linebacker/reptile thing is not the one I'm addressing.
Quote
QuoteQ. What kind of visual style does AVP-R have?
(Psst. A. A good one.)
Sorry, you fail the final exam question- the question was "will this really change public perspective," not "how many people are going to think this is better because AVP was utter crap?"
(palmface) That isn't the point.
Quote from: Alienseseses on Nov 06, 2007, 01:00:26 AM
... have any of you studied cinematography?
People are saying that AVP-R has no visual style, that it looks cheap, that AVP looked epic etc.
This movie looks a zillion times better than the last installment visually.
AVP looked dull. The angles didn't suck. They passed. But there was no imagination, no flair, and really bad lighting.
AVP-R, though, perhaps due to Pearl, looks great. Dynamic colors (nice use of red and blue), the angles look dynamic.
Now, for one minute overlook the supposed pred bias. Now look at this picture.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/gallery/albums/movies/avp2/productionstills/productionstill01.jpg)
Cheap, right? Dull, boring angles, no lighting, some may even say the alien looks like crud.
Now, the after to the before.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/gallery/albums/movies/avp2/trailerrrated/trailerr51.jpg)
The angle looks great, the lighting gives it more mystique and flair, and the designs look better to those who didn't like them before.
Even somebody with the most fundamental knowledge of cinematography knows which is better.
Whereas AVP had:
http://www.avpgalaxy.net/gallery/albums/movies/avp/dvdcaptures/normal_dvdcapture14.jpg
Boring stuff. Face on, we see man in suit.
http://www.avpgalaxy.net/gallery/albums/movies/avp/dvdcaptures/normal_dvdcapture30.jpg
Where's the mysterious lighting, the creative angles? Dude, this is a predator. Make it look GOOD.
http://www.avpgalaxy.net/gallery/albums/movies/avp/dvdcaptures/normal_dvdcapture27.jpg
If this one looks good to you, it is because it has a queen in it.
Understand? Yes?
OK. Quiz.
Q. What kind of visual style does AVP-R have?
(Psst. A. A good one.)
Look closely at that second picture. There is
definately something holding that Alien on the left, like its trapped inside something.
Quote from: AlienatedPredator on Nov 06, 2007, 01:24:36 PM
Quote from: Alienseseses on Nov 06, 2007, 01:00:26 AM
... have any of you studied cinematography?
People are saying that AVP-R has no visual style, that it looks cheap, that AVP looked epic etc.
This movie looks a zillion times better than the last installment visually.
AVP looked dull. The angles didn't suck. They passed. But there was no imagination, no flair, and really bad lighting.
AVP-R, though, perhaps due to Pearl, looks great. Dynamic colors (nice use of red and blue), the angles look dynamic.
Now, for one minute overlook the supposed pred bias. Now look at this picture.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/gallery/albums/movies/avp2/productionstills/productionstill01.jpg)
Cheap, right? Dull, boring angles, no lighting, some may even say the alien looks like crud.
Now, the after to the before.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/gallery/albums/movies/avp2/trailerrrated/trailerr51.jpg)
The angle looks great, the lighting gives it more mystique and flair, and the designs look better to those who didn't like them before.
Even somebody with the most fundamental knowledge of cinematography knows which is better.
Whereas AVP had:
http://www.avpgalaxy.net/gallery/albums/movies/avp/dvdcaptures/normal_dvdcapture14.jpg
Boring stuff. Face on, we see man in suit.
http://www.avpgalaxy.net/gallery/albums/movies/avp/dvdcaptures/normal_dvdcapture30.jpg
Where's the mysterious lighting, the creative angles? Dude, this is a predator. Make it look GOOD.
http://www.avpgalaxy.net/gallery/albums/movies/avp/dvdcaptures/normal_dvdcapture27.jpg
If this one looks good to you, it is because it has a queen in it.
Understand? Yes?
OK. Quiz.
Q. What kind of visual style does AVP-R have?
(Psst. A. A good one.)
Look closely at that second picture. There is definately something holding that Alien on the left, like its trapped inside something.
left? the alien on the right has a chain around his head...
but i know what you mean, but i couldnt see it directly...
Yeah the alien on the left looks like it's webbed or cocooned in something. Maybe this is supposed to be ironic. No idea if the chains are part of a trap or just some random chains that are hanging around in the sewers.
Quote from: Porkus Maximus on Nov 06, 2007, 03:28:09 PM
Yeah the alien on the left looks like it's webbed or cocooned in something. Maybe this is supposed to be ironic. No idea if the chains are part of a trap or just some random chains that are hanging around in the sewers.
This was also my point when all the Alien fans had to go to Hospital with breathing problems. Fell on def-ears though, couldnt see past the tears.... :D
Well I do feel that the whole concept of aliens being ambushed or walking into booby-traps is really pushing it, especially since it looks like it'll happen on a regular basis. If these aliens had been at Hadley's Hope the colonists would have probably taken care of them without the need for the USCM. :p
they dont care, they walked in to Sentry guns for 5 minutes before figuring out "that was not the way" , The predator has better Tech and better traps.
Quote from: highlandpred on Nov 06, 2007, 03:46:12 PM
they dont care, they walked in to Sentry guns for 5 minutes before figuring out "that was not the way" , The predator has better Tech and better traps.
You beat me to it.
Quote from: Luckygreycat on Nov 06, 2007, 04:30:36 AM
Quote from: SiL on Nov 06, 2007, 01:05:27 AM
The visual style in the store showdown is horrendous. It looked like something out of a fan film, not a multi-million dollar production.
YES EXACTLY!!! I thought I was the only one!! I hope that it wasn't the finished product. Did anyone notice the alien blood pooling next to the body after the Predator killed it with the whip. It was just pooling there with some very slight smoke rising. Shouldn't that have immediately created a gaping hole in the floor. Also, is there a reason why when the alien drops to the floor in front of them they don't immediately start firing at it while it stood there and hissed at them. I think SIL is right. It has the "feel" of a fan film that you would find on YouTube. I think that Batman Dead End on YouTube has a more realistic feel than this scene.
No he isnt .. he is bashing this movie all the time so i wouldnt count on his words anyway =) ... but ... well, everyone has a oppinion.
Firing at the Alien? Who? Dallas, Kelly or maybe Molly? No one had a weapon in tihs moment. The others came just after Wolf killed the one Alien ..
Well ... you have completely no idea when you say, Batman Dead End has a more realistic feel ...
to be honest, i wouldnt let you write a review about any movie ... because there wouldnt be come out more than bullshit. Sorry ... but saying, Some Fanmovies have a more realistiv feel or anything ist in my view just completely nonsense and a cheap try to bash the brothers and AvPr.
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I still think, that this clip is the one, they shwoed in amsterdam. Where the people were "shocked" and so on. Could be not finished or not right cut .. who knows.
greetz
Quote from: highlandpred on Nov 06, 2007, 03:46:12 PM
they dont care, they walked in to Sentry guns for 5 minutes before figuring out "that was not the way" , The predator has better Tech and better traps.
The first predator stupidly walked into the traps set by Arnie...
But that doesn't matter - aliens swarm when they have the numbers, to wear down the enemies defences. It is a tactic used in many real wars. Lone aliens use more stealth.
Quote from: Porkus Maximus on Nov 06, 2007, 03:43:58 PM
Well I do feel that the whole concept of aliens being ambushed or walking into booby-traps is really pushing it, especially since it looks like it'll happen on a regular basis. If these aliens had been at Hadley's Hope the colonists would have probably taken care of them without the need for the USCM. :p
Humans arn't Predators. They don't spend their entire lives hunting dangerous creatures. It's what they do, trapping and killing things is what they are best at.
QuoteThe first predator stupidly walked into the traps set by Arnie...
Which it hadnt seen and didnt knew it was harmfull to him, but the aliens do know its deadly for them, i dont know, but they didnt really seem to care about that problem when another bunch of them continued to go into their save death with a provocation.
Quote from: gameoverman on Nov 06, 2007, 04:41:14 PM
Quote from: highlandpred on Nov 06, 2007, 03:46:12 PM
they dont care, they walked in to Sentry guns for 5 minutes before figuring out "that was not the way" , The predator has better Tech and better traps.
The first predator stupidly walked into the traps set by Arnie...
But that doesn't matter - aliens swarm when they have the numbers, to wear down the enemies defences. It is a tactic used in many real wars. Lone aliens use more stealth.
I said nothing about the alien intilligence, but walking into bullets is a bit different than falling for an invisable trap. Porkus was saying that aliens wouldnt fall for traps, i was pointing out they would and they had.
Quote from: Anomaly on Nov 06, 2007, 01:11:02 AM
From what i like and dislike in great films, Id say AVPRs visual style is similar to AVP's, its pretty straight forward and more colorful and less moody than say Finchers orange tint or Camerons blue tints.
Similar films with this more simple cinematography are T3, The X-men films, Superman Returns, fantastic 4, Spiderman etc.
If its a good film it wont matter though.
yea but both those films took place on alien worlds. this one is in a colorado town. unless they are in the hive, there is no reason for fancy, imaginitive lighting. the key is making the situation in colorado suitable for these beasts on rampage. the visual style, cinematography in this film is awesome so far.
Neither of the Aliens are being held by anything but Wolf. What you see wrapped around the Alien is its horrible, fleshy-assed
arm holding Wolf's hand.
Quote from: $cHm0cK on Nov 06, 2007, 04:33:39 PM
No he isnt .. he is bashing this movie all the time so i wouldnt count on his words anyway =)
So just cos I don't piss rainbows about the movie, what I say can't be seen as valid?
Quote
... have any of you studied cinematography?
People are saying that AVP-R has no visual style, that it looks cheap, that AVP looked epic etc.
This movie looks a zillion times better than the last installment visually.
:D
Okay, now I'm wondering if
you have studied cinematography, because even an everyman can see this film has no style.
If you think this movie looks good, you probably think Troll 2 is a cinematic milestone.
QuoteAVP looked dull. The angles didn't suck. They passed. But there was no imagination, no flair, and really bad lighting.
Actually, compared to this, AvP had a lot of flair. Slow motion, fast motion, sharp camera angles, professional lighting and set design...
For the life of me, I cannot possibly see how anyone could think this looks better than AvP 1, which took place in a mysterious and well-designed pyramid. Now we've got rubber monsters fighting in Colorado.
Also, the camerawork in the store showdown was TV-quality. Frontal shots of the actor's faces, loose and shaky shots of the Aliens, choppy editing, etc.
QuoteThe first predator stupidly walked into the traps set by Arnie...
Yea, just like that last trap set by arnie to drag him up into the air...
Quote from: KillingJoke on Nov 06, 2007, 09:28:14 PM
Quote
... have any of you studied cinematography?
People are saying that AVP-R has no visual style, that it looks cheap, that AVP looked epic etc.
This movie looks a zillion times better than the last installment visually.
:D
Okay, now I'm wondering if you have studied cinematography, because even an everyman can see this film has no style.
If you think this movie looks good, you probably think Troll 2 is a cinematic milestone.
QuoteAVP looked dull. The angles didn't suck. They passed. But there was no imagination, no flair, and really bad lighting.
Actually, compared to this, AvP had a lot of flair. Slow motion, fast motion, sharp camera angles, professional lighting and set design...
For the life of me, I cannot possibly see how anyone could think this looks better than AvP 1, which took place in a mysterious and well-designed pyramid. Now we've got rubber monsters fighting in Colorado.
Also, the camerawork in the store showdown was TV-quality. Frontal shots of the actor's faces, loose and shaky shots of the Aliens, choppy editing, etc.
I think if the aliens would again kick only predators ass you would love this movie and you would say that this movie has beautiful camera angles etc
But wait, it´s the other way arround this time, no more alien asshole anderson, predator hardcore action. :)
Quote from: Major Alan Schaefer on Nov 06, 2007, 09:31:58 PM
QuoteThe first predator stupidly walked into the traps set by Arnie...
Yea, just like that last trap set by arnie to drag him up into the air...
That had nothing to do with stupidity, the traps were INVISIBLE to him.
Quote from: Aeus on Nov 06, 2007, 09:33:27 PM
That had nothing to do with stupidity, the traps were INVISIBLE to him.
If hes talking about the last boulder, that was after the predator had already spotted a trap on the other side. Little did it know especially with organic material that gives off no heat, that both sides were booby trapped with 2 different types of traps. Well done.
Quote
I think if the aliens would again kick only predators ass you would love this movie and you would say that this movie has beautiful camera angles etc
No, I'm not like Predator fanboys who only care about whether their monster wins or not, and don't give a damn about the rest of the movie. I'd still be pissed off about the cheap quality of filmmaking, the setting, the characters, and the acting.
You only care if the Pred wins, which he will, because the directors are Pred fanboys like you.
QuoteBut wait, it´s the other way arround this time, no more alien asshole anderson, predator hardcore action. :)
Anderson was way more balanced than the Strauses, even the most flaming Preddy fanboys have to admit that.
We haven't seen what the Predalien does yet but from the looks of it the Wolf is doing just what Scar did, owning the Aliens after he had his Plasma gun
QuoteYou only care if the Pred wins,
Not true.
I will be happy, but that is just one little element what would make me happy.
Quotewhich he will,
Where is avp2 available to download?
Quotebecause the directors are Pred fanboys like you.
So? Predator is a fine thing, it´s not all about the alien, you have to live with it.
QuoteAnderson was way more balanced than the Strauses
Of course he was, downgrading the predators to a minimum and only make them capable of killing an alien when in distance with a
huge shoulder cannon, wow, thats something every pred fan can be proud of. ::)
Quoteeven the most flaming Preddy fanboys have to admit that.
Even if i would be an hardcore alien fan like you i would disagree. :P
Quote
Of course he was, downgrading the predators to a minimum and only make them capable of killing an alien when in distance with a huge shoulder cannon, wow, thats something every pred fan can be proud of. ::)
That's the way it was meant to be. Predators without technology are dead meat. They have the advantage of ranged weapons, Aliens have the advantage in melee fights.
That's realistic and respectful to both. After all, both Predators in the original films died when their technology failed them.
The Strauses have the Wolf being better than the Aliens at EVERYTHING: strength, speed, melee fights, ranged fights, stamina, etc. The Aliens, in this film, are totally incapable of doing anything to a Predator because the Strauses give the Predator the advantage in EVERY situation, no matter what.
Sorry, but that's pure fanboyism.
Good thins KillingJoke shall the movie so he can judge every scene....
And it atually downgrades both if you say, "Every hand to hand fight Predators loose and every ranged Aliens loose." that makes it boring, maybe more balanced but defantly boreing.
Think what you will of the two Preds dying by one Alien; it made Scar look f**king awesome when he killed one, because we've seen how deadly they are, and how easily he killed it.
Everything after that point, not so much; Scar became a wimp and the Aliens became idiots. But when Scar turns around and slices off that Alien's head? That's cool. That's skilled. That's one kick-ass Predator, and that one single moment is more badass than anything we've seen of Wolf so far.
QuoteThat's the way it was meant to be.
Really, read the comics then.
QuotePredators without technology are dead meat.
And you call the strauses fanboys.
QuoteThat's realistic and respectful to both.
How can it be respectfull for both?
Quotestrength, speed, melee fights, ranged fights, stamina, etc. The Aliens, in this film, are totally incapable of doing anything to a Predator.
It comes close to reality :)
Quote
Sorry, but that's pure fanboyism from me
I agree, pure fanboysm from you. :P
QuoteThat's one kick-ass Predator, and that one single moment is more badass than anything we've seen of Wolf so far.
I think the whip scene in the trailer is more badass then avp altogether.
Quote from: SiL on Nov 06, 2007, 09:51:15 PM
Think what you will of the two Preds dying by one Alien; it made Scar look f**king awesome when he killed one, because we've seen how deadly they are, and how easily he killed it.
Everything after that point, not so much; Scar became a wimp and the Aliens became idiots. But when Scar turns around and slices off that Alien's head? That's cool. That's skilled. That's one kick-ass Predator, and that one single moment is more badass than anything we've seen of Wolf so far.
The Whip was a nice move (Clip)
Quote
Really, read the comics then.
LOL! The comics are a joke, they have Predators fighting Aliens by the hundreds. The movies are the only things real fans go by.
QuoteAnd you call the strauses fanboys.
This is the hard truth, we saw it in Predator, we saw it in Predator 2, and we saw it in AvP.
Quote
How can it be respectfull for both?
Preds have the advantage at long distances, Aliens have the advantage up close. That's balance, and respectful to both.
You, on the other hand, want the Predator to be superior to the Alien in every single way, like the Strauses. In reality it doesn't work like, only in the Strause/Pred fanboy fantasy world.
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It comes close to reality :)
No, that's pure Preddy fanboy fantasy BS.
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I agree, pure fanboysm from you. :P
How does wanting balance make me a fanboy? You're just angry because people know this movie is made by Preddy fanboys, and now they're holding the filmmakers accountable.
You're the biggest Predator fanboy here, everyone knows it.
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Nov 06, 2007, 09:53:06 PM
I think the whip scene in the trailer is more badass then avp altogether.
Why? The Predator's killing handicapped kids. It's not badass.
Unless you define badass Preds as Predators who pick on the weakest target they can find and strike a pose...
You keep wanting to image that the clip was the whole movie and its pretty funny...
Quote from: Major Alan Schaefer on Nov 06, 2007, 10:01:12 PM
You keep wanting to image that the clip was the whole movie
What clip and what movie?
I dislike the whip because once it's used it's covered in acid. Why would you want to keep that around? For other prey I can see how it's be fine, but considering that the aliens' blood is dangerous... it just seems like a bad idea.
Pfft. Everyone knows Wolf's immune to acid blood unless it makes him look cooler.
Quote from: SiL on Nov 06, 2007, 10:02:32 PM
Quote from: Major Alan Schaefer on Nov 06, 2007, 10:01:12 PM
You keep wanting to image that the clip was the whole movie
What clip and what movie?
AVP-R....
What you want to happen when the Wolf cuts an Alien's head off an acid fountain?
QuoteLOL! The comics are a joke, they have Predators fighting Aliens by the hundreds. The movies are the only things real fans go by.
And the movie shows that the predator can kill aliens by the hundreds. :P
QuoteThis is the hard truth, we saw it in Predator, we saw it in Predator 2, and we saw it in AvP.
Yes, we saw them as nearly unstoppable killers in the first 2 pred movies, just like avp 2.
QuoteIn reality it doesn't work like, only in the Strause/Pred fanboy fantasy world.
In reality? Ehm, these things dont even exist. Ohh, and santa clause doenst too. :)
Quote
No, that's pure Preddy fanboy fantasy BS.
Not as hard bullshit as your blether bullshit.
QuoteHow does wanting balance make me a fanboy?
Its the way you want the balance, make the aliens super cool and shit on the predators (who are much better anyway), doesnt work, even not for alien fans.
Quoteou're just angry because people know this movie is made by Preddy fanboys, and now they're holding the filmmakers accountable.
Why should i be angry then, i love predators, if anything, i must be happy, think before you type.
QuoteYou're the biggest Predator fanboy here, everyone knows it.
You forgot
proud.
QuoteWhy? The Predator's killing handicapped kids. It's not badass.
Unless you define badass Preds as Predators who pick on the weakest target they can find and strike a pose...
Im talking about the rooftop scene in the red band trailer with the whip. But if you call aliens little handycapped kids then im fine with it. :)
Quote from: SiL on Nov 06, 2007, 09:51:15 PM
Think what you will of the two Preds dying by one Alien; it made Scar look f**king awesome when he killed one, because we've seen how deadly they are, and how easily he killed it.
Everything after that point, not so much; Scar became a wimp and the Aliens became idiots. But when Scar turns around and slices off that Alien's head? That's cool. That's skilled. That's one kick-ass Predator, and that one single moment is more badass than anything we've seen of Wolf so far.
Trust me, as a big Predator fan, that was nothing compared to when I saw Wolf throw that Alien to the ground and smoke it with his Cannon. Or when he rises holding those two Aliens. Badassery defined. Marines from Aliens, take notes.
Quote from: KillingJoke on Nov 06, 2007, 09:47:53 PM
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Of course he was, downgrading the predators to a minimum and only make them capable of killing an alien when in distance with a huge shoulder cannon, wow, thats something every pred fan can be proud of. ::)
That's the way it was meant to be. Predators without technology are dead meat. They have the advantage of ranged weapons, Aliens have the advantage in melee fights.
That's realistic and respectful to both. After all, both Predators in the original films died when their technology failed them.
Predator's against Aliens without thier guns? Dead meat? Nah. Scar took down a Queen with no guns and Wolf will prove that a Predator can best an Aliens 2 on 1 in melee combat.
As for Predator's getting beaten by thier technology failing them? Not really. They got beaten by their arrogance and their inability to see traps made out of vines etc in the the first film.
The second? Once again by his arrogance and also his inability to breath properly which led to him being seriously impaired and damaged.
QuoteThe movies are the only things real fans go by.
This is a movie. Yet you don't want to accept it. Just proved that you will only accept it if Aliens win.
"Comics have a Predator killing Aliens!!!! Not real!!!"
"Movies have a Predator killing Aliens!!!! Not real!!!"
Quote from: SiL on Nov 06, 2007, 09:59:23 PM
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Nov 06, 2007, 09:53:06 PM
I think the whip scene in the trailer is more badass then avp altogether.
Why? The Predator's killing handicapped kids. It's not badass.
Unless you define badass Preds as Predators who pick on the weakest target they can find and strike a pose...
So an Alien pouncing through the air is a weak target...
Oooookayyyy.
The Wolf takes targets who are most vulnerable, yes. Because he is smart. He knows that an Alien distracted by bait is going to quicker and easier to kill which they are. He is being an efficient killed like the P1 Predator was. Who was also a badass.
Quote from: Major Alan Schaefer on Nov 06, 2007, 10:05:28 PM
AVP-R....
...and what clip?
QuoteWhat you want to happen when the Wolf cuts an Alien's head off an acid fountain?
Given how much a tiny nick to the head will bleed in most animals? Yes.
QuoteIm talking about the rooftop scene in the red band trailer with the whip. But if you call aliens little handycapped kids then im fine with it. Smiley
Yes, and I'm talking about the same shot. The Aliens pose absolutely no threat to Wolf in the film. What he does isn't badass, it's lame.
QuoteTrust me, as a big Predator fan, that was nothing compared to when I saw Wolf throw that Alien to the ground and smoke it with his Cannon. Or when he rises holding those two Aliens.
Again, what the hell is badass about beating up on things which can't even fight back?
Quote from: SiL on Nov 06, 2007, 10:09:55 PM
Quote from: Major Alan Schaefer on Nov 06, 2007, 10:05:28 PM
AVP-R....
...and what clip?
QuoteWhat you want to happen when the Wolf cuts an Alien's head off an acid fountain?
Given how much a tiny nick to the head will bleed in most animals? Yes.
QuoteIm talking about the rooftop scene in the red band trailer with the whip. But if you call aliens little handycapped kids then im fine with it. Smiley
Yes, and I'm talking about the same shot. The Aliens pose absolutely no threat to Wolf in the film. What he does isn't badass, it's lame.
QuoteTrust me, as a big Predator fan, that was nothing compared to when I saw Wolf throw that Alien to the ground and smoke it with his Cannon. Or when he rises holding those two Aliens.
Again, what the hell is badass about beating up on things which can't even fight back?
Trust me. They do.
Johnny Handsome, you're giving Predator fans a bad image. KillingJoke flat out says he wants balance, Aliens and Predators equally capable of killing one another. Whether you like it or not, that's what we got in AvP.
You want Aliens to be incapable of killing Predators, and you want Predators to be shown as unstoppable Alien killers. That makes you a fanboy, and not even worth talking to, because you will never see past your own bias. I've seen 5 year olds who are more reasonable than you.
I'll trust the information I've been getting - Which points to no, normal Aliens are pretty much screwed. Even when one got on Wolf he managed to literally shrug it off and waste it.
Quote from: superunknown on Nov 06, 2007, 10:13:01 PM
Johnny Handsome, you're giving Predator fans a bad image. KillingJoke flat out says he wants balance, Aliens and Predators equally capable of killing one another. Whether you like it or not, that's what we got in AvP.
You want Aliens to be incapable of killing Predators, and you want Predators to be shown as unstoppable Alien killers. That makes you a fanboy, and not even worth talking to, because you will never see past your own bias. I've seen 5 year olds who are more reasonable than you.
You're a fanboy too so shut the f**k up. ::)
Fountain? like in a Japanize manga lol?
Sure there needs to be more blood...but not much more or they'll overdo it
Quote from: Horhey on Nov 06, 2007, 10:14:47 PM
Quote from: superunknown on Nov 06, 2007, 10:13:01 PM
Johnny Handsome, you're giving Predator fans a bad image. KillingJoke flat out says he wants balance, Aliens and Predators equally capable of killing one another. Whether you like it or not, that's what we got in AvP.
You want Aliens to be incapable of killing Predators, and you want Predators to be shown as unstoppable Alien killers. That makes you a fanboy, and not even worth talking to, because you will never see past your own bias. I've seen 5 year olds who are more reasonable than you.
You're a fanboy too so shut the f**k up. ::)
How am I a fanboy? I actually made a thread calling for reason and sense between the two fanbases.
I think certain Predator fans on this site are mentally unstable, and/or far too fanatical in their love of Predators.
Quote from: superunknown on Nov 06, 2007, 10:16:36 PM
I think certain Predator fans on this site are mentally unstable, and/or far too fanatical in their love of Predators.
So are some Alien fans....
Quote from: Major Alan Schaefer on Nov 06, 2007, 10:17:46 PM
Quote from: superunknown on Nov 06, 2007, 10:16:36 PM
I think certain Predator fans on this site are mentally unstable, and/or far too fanatical in their love of Predators.
So are some Alien fans....
Sorry, but I have not seen any Alien fans on this site piss on Predators the way 3 or 4 Predator fans on this site piss on Alien. Johnny Handsome is routinely one of these people.
QuoteJohnny Handsome, you're giving Predator fans a bad image.
A bad image by telling the truth? Hardly.
QuoteKillingJoke flat out says he wants balance, Aliens and Predators equally capable of killing one another. Whether you like it or not, that's what we got in AvP.
I want balance too, but the
way he want balance makes him a fanboy that one can not take serious.
QuoteWhether you like it or not, that's what we got in AvP.
Whetever you like it, we havent, alien fans got their vision of balance, but not balance to everyone.
Quoteou want Aliens to be incapable of killing Predators
Where did i say that?
Quoteand you want Predators to be shown as unstoppable Alien killers.
You forgot
nearly like seen in the originals.
QuoteThat makes you a fanboy, and not even worth talking to,
You sound a little desperate, did i piss you off in any way, if so, then im so sorry bitch :D
Quotebecause you will never see past your own bias
There is a difference in talking the truth and bias, maybe you understand that when you turn 12.
QuoteI've seen 5 year olds who are more reasonable than you.
Probably your older brother youre talking about. :)
QuoteJohnny Handsome is routinely one of these people.
Are you crying? Ha ha :D
I think a film where Predators are attempting to pirate aliens and breed them for their own purposes is allowed to show predators in charge when they have all of their technological bag of tricks. If they havent been wiped out like that species before, they must be able to have the upper hand imo.
I dont think its a big deal. Weve heard of a scene where predators get massacred at the beginning. Maybe soon a film will occur where all featured Predators get completely massacred. I dont mind breaking the mold in that fashion, just like I didnt mind the deaths in A3. It keeps it interesting.
Quote from: SiL on Nov 06, 2007, 10:13:27 PM
I'll trust the information I've been getting - Which points to no, normal Aliens are pretty much screwed. Even when one got on Wolf he managed to literally shrug it off and waste it.
Yeah screwed.... :o
They f**k him up really, really badly. The threat is still there. Just this time we aren't dealing with Teenagers.
Quote from: Horhey on Nov 06, 2007, 10:14:47 PM
Quote from: superunknown on Nov 06, 2007, 10:13:01 PM
Johnny Handsome, you're giving Predator fans a bad image. KillingJoke flat out says he wants balance, Aliens and Predators equally capable of killing one another. Whether you like it or not, that's what we got in AvP.
You want Aliens to be incapable of killing Predators, and you want Predators to be shown as unstoppable Alien killers. That makes you a fanboy, and not even worth talking to, because you will never see past your own bias. I've seen 5 year olds who are more reasonable than you.
You're a fanboy too so shut the f**k up. ::)
No he's not...
But his idea of fair is a little off. Seeing as he considers Aliens killing Teenagers fair....It just makes the Aliens seem like things only capable of killing the worst type of Predators.
The only way for it to be done well is Gigers Alien versus P1 Predator on the Prison planet on Alien 3. The end is basically the Alien mortally wounding the Predator, and the Predator nuking the place up.
Quote from: superunknown on Nov 06, 2007, 10:19:29 PM
Quote from: Major Alan Schaefer on Nov 06, 2007, 10:17:46 PM
Quote from: superunknown on Nov 06, 2007, 10:16:36 PM
I think certain Predator fans on this site are mentally unstable, and/or far too fanatical in their love of Predators.
So are some Alien fans....
Sorry, but I have not seen any Alien fans on this site piss on Predators the way 3 or 4 Predator fans on this site piss on Alien. Johnny Handsome is routinely one of these people.
Look harder their around too...i personaly wished it was a little more balanced but honestly the Wolf so far is doing what anyone else with a gun could do. until we see an atual fight we can't telll for sure.
-You're not telling the truth, you're giving your incredibly biased opinion.
-You do not want balance, you want Predator dominance. Your idea of balance is so incredibly FUBAR that its not worth dissecting.
-You made a blanket statement that Predators kill hundreds of Aliens, and then said that Predators cooler anyway.
- I seem to remember both Predators getting killed by humans. If humans can do it, surely Aliens can.
- You're not qualified to talk about truth and bias, so don't go there.
Quote from: superunknown on Nov 06, 2007, 10:25:38 PM
- I seem to remember both Predators getting killed by humans. If humans can do it, surely Aliens can.
157 Aliens got killed in Aliens, including a Queen. By people a Predator would have absolutely torn to pieces.
Quote from: Aeus on Nov 06, 2007, 10:20:53 PM
Quote from: SiL on Nov 06, 2007, 10:13:27 PM
I'll trust the information I've been getting - Which points to no, normal Aliens are pretty much screwed. Even when one got on Wolf he managed to literally shrug it off and waste it.
Yeah screwed.... :o
They f**k him up really, really badly. The threat is still there. Just this time we aren't dealing with Teenagers.
Quote from: Horhey on Nov 06, 2007, 10:14:47 PM
Quote from: superunknown on Nov 06, 2007, 10:13:01 PM
Johnny Handsome, you're giving Predator fans a bad image. KillingJoke flat out says he wants balance, Aliens and Predators equally capable of killing one another. Whether you like it or not, that's what we got in AvP.
You want Aliens to be incapable of killing Predators, and you want Predators to be shown as unstoppable Alien killers. That makes you a fanboy, and not even worth talking to, because you will never see past your own bias. I've seen 5 year olds who are more reasonable than you.
You're a fanboy too so shut the f**k up. ::)
No he's not...
Were all fanboys.
Quote from: superunknown on Nov 06, 2007, 10:25:38 PM
- I seem to remember both Predators getting killed by humans. If humans can do it, surely Aliens can.
I also seem to remember a lot of Aliens getting killed by humans. If humans can do it, surely Predators can.
Door swings both ways.
Quote from: Aeus on Nov 06, 2007, 10:28:02 PM
Quote from: superunknown on Nov 06, 2007, 10:25:38 PM
- I seem to remember both Predators getting killed by humans. If humans can do it, surely Aliens can.
157 Aliens got killed in Aliens, including a Queen. By people a Predator would have absolutely torn to pieces.
Most of them were killed in the nuclear blast, and I'm sure that'd kill a few hundreds Predators as well.
If a Predator were in hadley's Hope, he would have been easily spotted and gunned down by the Marines because they had IR visors and auto-tracking guns. Predators get lit up in IR, as we saw in the original films.
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Look harder their around too...i personaly wished it was a little more balanced but honestly the Wolf so far is doing what anyone else with a gun could do. until we see an atual fight we can't telll for sure.
What?! You're saying one human with a gun would kill all those Aliens in the store? Maybe in a Strause film, but not in a real Alien film.
Quote from: Yellow Alien on Nov 06, 2007, 10:31:12 PM
Quote from: superunknown on Nov 06, 2007, 10:25:38 PM
- I seem to remember both Predators getting killed by humans. If humans can do it, surely Aliens can.
I also seem to remember a lot of Aliens getting killed by humans. If humans can do it, surely Predators can.
Door swings both ways.
Door swings both ways my ass. ;)
Quote from: superunknown on Nov 06, 2007, 10:32:08 PM
Quote from: Aeus on Nov 06, 2007, 10:28:02 PM
Quote from: superunknown on Nov 06, 2007, 10:25:38 PM
- I seem to remember both Predators getting killed by humans. If humans can do it, surely Aliens can.
157 Aliens got killed in Aliens, including a Queen. By people a Predator would have absolutely torn to pieces.
Most of them were killed in the nuclear blast, and I'm sure that'd kill a few hundreds Predators as well.
If a Predator were in hadley's Hope, he would have been easily spotted and gunned down by the Marines because they had IR visors and auto-tracking guns. Predators get lit up in IR, as we saw in the original films.
Where in the canon does it state that the guns autotrack? No where.
Quote from: Yellow Alien on Nov 06, 2007, 10:31:12 PM
Quote from: superunknown on Nov 06, 2007, 10:25:38 PM
- I seem to remember both Predators getting killed by humans. If humans can do it, surely Aliens can.
I also seem to remember a lot of Aliens getting killed by humans. If humans can do it, surely Predators can.
Door swings both ways.
The key word here being Predators, not a single Predator who is somehow able to walk around Alien territory and not get massacred by a small group of Aliens working tactically, as they did in the previous films.
Quote from: superunknown on Nov 06, 2007, 10:33:13 PM
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Look harder their around too...i personaly wished it was a little more balanced but honestly the Wolf so far is doing what anyone else with a gun could do. until we see an atual fight we can't telll for sure.
What?! You're saying one human with a gun would kill all those Aliens in the store? Maybe in a Strause film, but not in a real Alien film.
...in a film where Aliens aren't gods....Yea, they attacked almsot one at a time if iwas in the positon Wolf was when they attacked other people anyoen with a gun could kill them, not saying it'd be a walk in the park but kill them they could
Quote-You're not telling the truth, you're giving your incredibly biased opinion.
That is just your
worthless opinion about me.
QuoteYou do not want balance, you want Predator dominance. Your idea of balance is so incredibly FUBAR that its not worth dissecting.
Look at answer number one.
QuoteYou made a blanket statement that Predators kill hundreds of Aliens, and then said that Predators cooler anyway.
In my opinion they are cooler, so?
Quote- I seem to remember both Predators getting killed by humans.
And i seem to remember that 157 aliens were killed by humans too. The difference is in the numbers
QuoteIf humans can do it, surely Aliens can.
if human can, then predators can f**k them all over the place.
Quote- You're not qualified to talk about truth and bias, so don't go there.
Youre not qualified to talk anything but BS, like your post is showing, whats up, superunknown, getting desperate ?. :)
I dont see you arguing anything useful to anyone on this board, why waste board space with huge loads of dog shit? :)
QuoteMost of them were killed in the nuclear blast,
Most of them were killed by ripley, a wannabe soldier who had learned using a gun in 10 minutes :P
Quote
If a Predator were in hadley's Hope, he would have been easily spotted and gunned down by the Marines because they had IR visors and auto-tracking guns.
And you know this from what? The difference is that they are not stupid enough to run into the guns with a passion like the aliens did.
Poor aliens, letting themselfes killed in hope to end their worthless life :D hoa hoa.
- it's not my opinion about you, it's a fact based on evidence about you.
- Just because you think they're cooler doesn't mean they're better. Most people consider the Alien movies to be better in every regard.
- Most of them were killed in the blast, we saw maybe only a dozen get killed by humans
- Getting desperate? No, not really. It's fun making you sweat. Usually people stop posting when they know they're losing an argument, but you seem to enjoy making yourself look stupid.
-Ripley killed 3 or 4 Aliens. To you, that's "most?" Go back to kindergarten and study subtraction.
- I know that from logic. There was nowhere for the Pred to hide on HH, it was all close quarters, and his cloak would have been useless against the Marine's IR visors.
QuoteUsually people stop posting when they know they're losing an argument, but you seem to enjoy making yourself look stupid.
Unfortunately you missunderstand the mentality of a lot of the posters here. They don't think they're losing an argument, in their own mind they know they are 100% correct and everything they say is justified dispite anything and everything. You can't have a two way discussion with people like that because no matter what you say they will always respond with "No I'm right". You only have to look at the discussion between him and xenomorphine in the predator homeworld thread to see what I'm talking about.
As far as this whole bullshit Alien/Predator bias goes. I'm just gonna quote my thoughts from another thread.
QuoteLook I'm not going to bullshit anyone here, I'm a HUGE fan of the Predator, it's probably my all-time favorite character actually. But I also love the Aliens aswell. It's been well established in all films that these things are supposed to literally be "living weapons" and they should damn well be portrayed as such. They should not be a threat due to sheer numbers, but rather because of what they are capable of as an individual.
Having a Predator effortlessly slaughter countless Aliens is not badass, it's boring and repetitive and it lacks the needed suspense and intensity. Badass would be the Predator getting into absolutely brutal knock-down-drag-out fights and coming out of them within an inch of his life no matter how trained or skilled he may be.
The Aliens need to be the ultimate threat. Otherwise the Predator's plight is just not impressive at all.
Quote from: Alienseseses on Nov 06, 2007, 01:00:26 AM
... have any of you studied cinematography?
People are saying that AVP-R has no visual style, that it looks cheap, that AVP looked epic etc.
This movie looks a zillion times better than the last installment visually.
AVP looked dull. The angles didn't suck. They passed. But there was no imagination, no flair, and really bad lighting.
AVP-R, though, perhaps due to Pearl, looks great. Dynamic colors (nice use of red and blue), the angles look dynamic.
Now, for one minute overlook the supposed pred bias. Now look at this picture.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/gallery/albums/movies/avp2/productionstills/productionstill01.jpg)
Cheap, right? Dull, boring angles, no lighting, some may even say the alien looks like crud.
Now, the after to the before.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/gallery/albums/movies/avp2/trailerrrated/trailerr51.jpg)
The angle looks great, the lighting gives it more mystique and flair, and the designs look better to those who didn't like them before.
Even somebody with the most fundamental knowledge of cinematography knows which is better.
Whereas AVP had:
http://www.avpgalaxy.net/gallery/albums/movies/avp/dvdcaptures/normal_dvdcapture14.jpg
Boring stuff. Face on, we see man in suit.
http://www.avpgalaxy.net/gallery/albums/movies/avp/dvdcaptures/normal_dvdcapture30.jpg
Where's the mysterious lighting, the creative angles? Dude, this is a predator. Make it look GOOD.
http://www.avpgalaxy.net/gallery/albums/movies/avp/dvdcaptures/normal_dvdcapture27.jpg
If this one looks good to you, it is because it has a queen in it.
Understand? Yes?
OK. Quiz.
Q. What kind of visual style does AVP-R have?
(Psst. A. A good one.)
Besides the obvious creature design flaws, I actually liked the look of AVP. It had a great setting and the sets were awesome. It's just a shame Anderson didn't turn out a good film.
There were a few moments in Anderson's movie that looked good...but they were generally pretty rare in my opinion. I still think that the pyramid set could have been so much more effective in more capable hands. AvP-R is looking better I guess, but it still lacks the more "classic" look of Alien and Alien 3.
Quote from: superunknown on Nov 06, 2007, 10:51:31 PM
- I know that from logic. There was nowhere for the Pred to hide on HH, it was all close quarters, and his cloak would have been useless against the Marine's IR visors.
Clearly not. Predator's hunt out doors when they have the choice. In Hadleys hope the Predator would just stalk them from the roof tops, and when they went inside he would just kill them one at a time, or all at once. Just like in Predator 2.
The Predator in Predator eliminated an entire Government task force using Liquid Nitrogen guns (thier weakness). Were an Alien in this situation, it would be dead. We know they are weakend by the freezing cold as well.
Colin said that he will show us pictures of Wolf's actual face....but he never posted any pictures.... :'(
Quote from: Aeus link=topic=7994.msg140524#msg14052quote author=TheAncientEnemy link=topic=7994.msg140467#msg140467 date=1194386593]
I dislike the whip because once it's used it's covered in acid. Why would you want to keep that around? For other prey I can see how it's be fine, but considering that the aliens' blood is dangerous... it just seems like a bad idea.
That's a good point, actually. Physically handling it after it's got all that acid on it should be burning the Predator's hand to the bone.
Quote from: Aeus on Nov 06, 2007, 10:08:53 PM
Scar took down a Queen with no guns
No Queens died. No Queens even appeared significantly injured, come to that. :)
Quoteand Wolf will prove that a Predator can best an Aliens 2 on 1 in melee combat.
When those Aliens stand there and let it do precisely that, yeah. We could say that about virtually anything.
Quote from: Aeus on Nov 06, 2007, 10:12:17 PM
Quote from: SiL on Nov 06, 2007, 10:09:55 PM
Again, what the hell is badass about beating up on things which can't even fight back?
Trust me. They do.
We've seen no indications of that, so far. Even when it's fighting the Predalien at teh conclusion, it appears to be in top fighting condition.
Quote from: Horhey on Nov 06, 2007, 10:14:47 PM
You're a fanboy too so shut the f**k up. ::)
Be polite to your fellor forum members, please. It's in the rules.
Quote from: Aeus on Nov 06, 2007, 10:28:02 PM
157 Aliens got killed in Aliens, including a Queen. By people a Predator would have absolutely torn to pieces.
Invisibility would be negated by motion trackers from quite a distance away and sentry guns would see to it.
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Nov 06, 2007, 10:37:07 PM
In my opinion they are cooler, so?
You often seem to present your opinions as fact. It does not reflect very well upon you.
QuoteAnd i seem to remember that 157 aliens were killed by humans too.
The vast majority of them were actually killed by an exploding nuclear reactor, actually. :)
Quoteif human can, then predators can f**k them all over the place.
That logic applies both ways.
QuoteMost of them were killed by ripley, a wannabe soldier who had learned using a gun in 10 minutes :P
As said, that's false.
Besides which, we could say one Predator was killed by a log and the other by a fat policeman. Simplifying things by such a degree ignores that most important of factors - circumstances.
As for Aus' comment about Aliens being weakened by cold, they're simply pissed off by it. :) It doesn't weaken them.
In fact, they're merely annoyed by prolonged bursts of a temperature able to to literally freeze human beings in a short space of time. :)
We have no idea whether Predators are weakened by cold, but prolonged (as opposed to fleeting) exposure would freeze any flesh potentially exposed to the air.
Quote from: T-X on Nov 07, 2007, 03:20:36 PM
Colin said that he will show us pictures of Wolf's actual face....but he never posted any pictures.... :'(
They probably have to get permission from the studio.
Quote from: T-X on Nov 07, 2007, 03:20:36 PM
Colin said that he will show us pictures of Wolf's actual face....but he never posted any pictures.... :'(
I'm going to be picking them out today, and then we'll see how soon they can get posted.
Quote from: Colin_Strause on Nov 07, 2007, 04:55:32 PM
Quote from: T-X on Nov 07, 2007, 03:20:36 PM
Colin said that he will show us pictures of Wolf's actual face....but he never posted any pictures.... :'(
I'm going to be picking them out today, and then we'll see how soon they can get posted.
I pray that they look like a predator
If they look like the toy I'll be cool, I think its a cool design. The pictures we've had are all funny ass angles and blurred.
Quote from: Colin_Strause on Nov 07, 2007, 04:55:32 PM
I'm going to be picking them out today, and then we'll see how soon they can get posted.
Thanks for the update. :)
As a fan of both creatures, I look forward to seeing the new pictures.
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Nov 07, 2007, 04:49:57 PM
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I dislike the whip because once it's used it's covered in acid. Why would you want to keep that around? For other prey I can see how it's be fine, but considering that the aliens' blood is dangerous... it just seems like a bad idea.
That's a good point, actually. Physically handling it after it's got all that acid on it should be burning the Predator's hand to the bone.
Yeah it should. But look at the whip when it coils itself back up. No acid. It must have a way of removing it.
Quote from: Aeus on Nov 06, 2007, 10:08:53 PM
Scar took down a Queen with no guns
No Queens died. No Queens even appeared significantly injured, come to that. :)
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He used his brains to seen a Queen to her death at the bottom of the ocean. Yes, you could say that we don't see her actually die, but it's obviously implied that she is.
QuoteQuoteand Wolf will prove that a Predator can best an Aliens 2 on 1 in melee combat.
When those Aliens stand there and let it do precisely that, yeah. We could say that about virtually anything.
The only one that even remotely stood still was the Alien that gets decapitated by the whip. The other is preoccupied with savaging a human, the third is beaten fairly in combat. It does exactly what Grid did to Celtic, except without the Predator seeing, and still lost.
Quote from: Aeus on Nov 06, 2007, 10:12:17 PM
Quote from: SiL on Nov 06, 2007, 10:09:55 PM
Again, what the hell is badass about beating up on things which can't even fight back?
Trust me. They do.
We've seen no indications of that, so far. Even when it's fighting the Predalien at teh conclusion, it appears to be in top fighting condition. [/quote]
By trust me, I mean
I know that he at least has a lot of trouble with Aliens at some point.
QuoteQuote from: Aeus on Nov 06, 2007, 10:28:02 PM
157 Aliens got killed in Aliens, including a Queen. By people a Predator would have absolutely torn to pieces.
Invisibility would be negated by motion trackers from quite a distance away and sentry guns would see to it.
The Aliens still got the jump on the Marines in the hive, and they had motion trackers. Yeah, they knew something was there, but they couldn't see them. Same would be with something that can literally become invisible. :)
As for the Sentry Guns. Two words: Shoulder Cannon.
And all this is just based on what Predators can do in the year 2000. What they can do at the point in time Aliens is set in...Well...I can't even imagine.
QuoteQuoteAnd i seem to remember that 157 aliens were killed by humans too.
The vast majority of them were actually killed by an exploding nuclear reactor, actually. :)
A reactor set off by humans, that were intelligent enough to escape. The same can't be said for the Aliens.
QuoteQuoteif human can, then predators can f**k them all over the place.
That logic applies both ways.
Except the Aliens are beaten by a Woman, or a Marine with a gun...
Predator's are only killed one at a time, and by the leader of the best Military Unit in the world and a hardened cop.
QuoteQuoteMost of them were killed by ripley, a wannabe soldier who had learned using a gun in 10 minutes :P
As said, that's false.
Besides which, we could say one Predator was killed by a log and the other by a fat policeman. Simplifying things by such a degree ignores that most important of factors - circumstances.
That just clearly you trying to degrade the Predators. A fat policeman? He was never fat. Sure he wasn't Arnie, but he was just as muscular as anyone who has ever fought an Alien.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.filmreference.com%2Fimages%2Fsjff_03_img1107.jpg&hash=712d053fb61818fc8536b25095798d745c217ce9)
Doesn't look fat to me.
QuoteAs for Aus' comment about Aliens being weakened by cold, they're simply pissed off by it. :) It doesn't weaken them.
In fact, they're merely annoyed by prolonged bursts of a temperature able to to literally freeze human beings in a short space of time. :)
We have no idea whether Predators are weakened by cold, but prolonged (as opposed to fleeting) exposure would freeze any flesh potentially exposed to the air.
It is never shown in Predator 2 that it hurts them. But like in Alien Resurrection, the creatures squealing and recoiling implies pain. Pain happens when someone is experiencing physical damage etc.
Quote from: Aeus on Nov 07, 2007, 05:55:38 PM
Yeah it should. But look at the whip when it coils itself back up. No acid. It must have a way of removing it.
Yeah, I was thinking about that too, but with advanced Alien technology, who knows what is possible...maybe some kind of coating that protects the weapon perhaps.
Quote from: holdtheline on Nov 07, 2007, 06:52:35 PM
Quote from: Aeus on Nov 07, 2007, 05:55:38 PM
Yeah it should. But look at the whip when it coils itself back up. No acid. It must have a way of removing it.
Yeah, I was thinking about that too, but with advanced Alien technology, who knows what is possible...maybe some kind of coating that protects the weapon perhaps.
Something like that. But we don't need to understand it, it's Alien technology, we can't. Thats what makes Predators and Aliens so interesting, we don't understand them.
Quote from: Aeus on Nov 06, 2007, 10:28:02 PM
157 Aliens got killed in Aliens, including a Queen. By people a Predator would have absolutely torn to pieces.
I know a lot of aliens died but where did you get this number?
157 colonists.
Wouldn't exactly be that number but close enough.
Quote from: Aeus on Nov 07, 2007, 07:50:45 PM
Quote from: holdtheline on Nov 07, 2007, 06:52:35 PM
Quote from: Aeus on Nov 07, 2007, 05:55:38 PM
Yeah it should. But look at the whip when it coils itself back up. No acid. It must have a way of removing it.
Yeah, I was thinking about that too, but with advanced Alien technology, who knows what is possible...maybe some kind of coating that protects the weapon perhaps.
Something like that. But we don't need to understand it, it's Alien technology, we can't. Thats what makes Predators and Aliens so interesting, we don't understand them.
Yes. The mystery is better most of the time.
Quote from: SM on Nov 08, 2007, 06:26:22 AM
157 colonists.
Wouldn't exactly be that number but close enough.
yeah, im not arguing just elaborating. Well newt didn't get facehugged, the one that came out of that woman got killed shortly after bursting and one of the colonists died before embryo implantation via attempt at removing the facehugger so that's down to 154 colonists at that point.
You then have the variables of not everyone might have survived attacks and weren't used as hosts, although the majority of them probably would be. Also some of the marines were cocooned and aliens that show up later in the film would be the ones which burst out of dietrich and apone..etc., not just colonists.
So the number is still over 100 aliens. About 10-12 are killed in the atmosphere processing station battle, as per estimate. (hicks, hudson, drake and vasquez all killed at least 2-3 of them)
What's your point?
Approx 145-155 Aliens still got all dead-like by the end of the film.