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We're getting another Paid DLC Predator in October, I'm curious to see who we think it could or should be...

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51413504814_d4b39ac929_b.jpg)

The first four poll options have some evidence to support their possible inclusion.

Tiki:

Dreds?
(https://forum.predator.illfonic.com/uploads/default/original/2X/9/96fbb1ac7a99fff9a842079b4f5732988ff03bae.png)

Class Mention
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Mr. Black:

Armor and Mask already done

Datamined Plasmacaster animation:
https://i.imgur.com/NOaPLjY.mp4
(https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/601568857894813707/729245079746641940/unknown.png?width=1204&height=677)

Scar:

Datamined Plasmacaster animation:
https://i.imgur.com/AIXKKQV.mp4

(https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/601568857894813707/729247366099501076/SPOILER_unknown.png?width=1204&height=677)

Datamined Mask:
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/748816896316538881/882290890738126888/unknown.png)

Datamined Shruiken:
(https://external-preview.redd.it/7m_8r4fATDdIJ1ndE1rD0XVERuD8R2lrZaprxjLgHAo.png?auto=webp&s=f92cd3f83a8750124ab0e406d040982671303df4)
(https://i.imgur.com/Faqlnpi.jpg)

Falconer:

Armor and Mask already done

Falcon Drone:
(https://i.imgur.com/aQ0eoTl.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/adlFEIH.jpg)

Personally I voted for Scar, hoping to see him come to the game and I'm a shuriken fan. I think since they've been doing mostly original Predators since last fall, and the last movie based one was City Hunter last summer, that it is about time for another movie-based Pred. I think Tiki will be coming eventually though.

I'm fully expecting Tiki given their utter refusal to do movie classes.

What I'd want ideally is a 2018 class .

- Shuriken
- 2018 dogs
- helmet mounted plasmacaster gear
- disc launcher
- dual wrist blades
- stolen stargazer rifle
- exoskeleton ability
- shooting out a wrist blade

And you could finally use alternate costumes under Armor styles where we can finally get a battle damaged armor since Fugitive runs both looks.

Just take all the cool shit from 2018, throw it on a class because that's way too much stuff to simply shove out a class with a disk reskin twice. A ton of stuff from 2018 could be used in-game.

And really if you're going to do the AVP Predator you need something like the scimitars or a weapon from the sequel like the power punch glove. We shouldn't wait two months if only for weapon variants.

The Predator 2018 dogs ought to be all put down.

Really dont know what to expect. I hope for not another cosplay predator, and one with good stats that doesnt get nerfed later on.

If I were to choose by preference: Scarface > Wolf > Mr. Black

I'm think Mr Black because of the rest of the DLC's theme so far.

To me it seems insane to have Isabelle in the game and then not top her off with Mr. Black.

Nah, I don't think we're ever getting a Mr. Black class, not when you've already released the best part for free, the bio-mask, months before. Your undercutting your own sales potential.

Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Sep 06, 2021, 01:26:58 PM
Nah, I don't think we're ever getting a Mr. Black class, not when you've already released the best part for free, the bio-mask, months before. Your undercutting your own sales potential.

As of right now, I doubt they really are interested in sales of the base product. Illfonic would leave Sony to worry about that and considering they are giving it away for free soon, their only engagement is to draw attention to other games or just make people have a look see.

To think they have a real financial plan for DLC drops selling for 5$ is a very tough sell even if the majority of the playerbase already owns the game and those who dont own it aren't going to fork over cash just because the predator's helmet and skin is a different shade of ugly.

IMHO, if Illfonic likes the fanbase and is comfortable putting out a new model/skin/character that won't break the game, they will release Mr.Black with the film likeness. I think they do like the game. But its not a make or break financially. They just need to commit to it using their own time.

My bet, as I outlined in another thread a while ago, is that we'll get the Falconer as a DLC predator, along with the falcon as a new weapon/gear, some class-specific shaders (ala City Hunter), and the Tracker mask as a free cosmetic. That way players will be able to recreate all three of the predators from that film without doubling down on any content already released (as Voodoo points out).

Lately though, I've started to wonder if Illfonic is playing a bit of a bluff. After the delayed Isabelle release they switched to using generic placeholder images for the roadmap, so we can only tell whether we're getting a fireteam or predator class, right? But what if this next one is a human who wears predator tech, ala Noland...?

For the love of Gort I hope they finally add Mr Black.......but I don't think they will. I really do feel like the addition of his mask was the death knell for him as his own character.

Most likely it'll be Tiki, since her, Valkyrie and Cleo were all datamined together, and none of them are based on any movies. But I'd love to have Wolf, Broken Tusk or Ahab either. Though to be honest, any more characters from the movies at all would be a (pleasant) surprise to me at this point.

Characters have to fit within the same sort of framework. Human Predators like Royce would be cool but it is a mechanic to be able to follow the green blood meaning Royce would have an exploit. The Predator Killer is the same way unless that suit was worn by a Predator. I don't think we'd get them outside a Fireteam character though I have no idea why we haven't given Noland, Royce, and Quinn all have cool gear items and weapons that would make for a good playable character. That hit boxes would also be very different for them much like how we aren't getting the four armed Predator or Assassin. You'd also need to alter weapons and gear animations for them,

Tiki if we're lucky is a Super Predator.

Falconer could make sense, since he just has the same armor as Mr. Black, you could just swap the masks and have a Mr. Black skin and dreadlock pattern. It would be odd of them to have that falcon drone modeled just to abandon it, and also for Mr. Black to just be the one using it.

Then again Falconer never had a plasma caster, and if they were to give him one I'd think it would be of the more traditional design that Tracker was using, rather than the spinning one used by Mr. Black that we've seen datamined.

Unless of course they're releasing them both as a class two-pack, since they have such similar elements. I think that could do well.

Quote from: The Necronoir on Sep 06, 2021, 02:18:18 PM
Lately though, I've started to wonder if Illfonic is playing a bit of a bluff. After the delayed Isabelle release they switched to using generic placeholder images for the roadmap, so we can only tell whether we're getting a fireteam or predator class, right? But what if this next one is a human who wears predator tech, ala Noland...?

Based on the latest PlayStation blog post, I'm pretty sure October's will be another Predator.

"We have heard the requests for more Yautja and modes, and while we can't share any details yet – be sure to keep an eye on our social media handles and forums!"

Quote from: RidgeTop on Sep 06, 2021, 09:02:07 PM
Falconer could make sense, since he just has the same armor as Mr. Black, you could just swap the masks and have a Mr. Black skin and dreadlock pattern. It would be odd of them to have that falcon drone modeled just to abandon it, and also for Mr. Black to just be the one using it.

Then again Falconer never had a plasma caster, and if they were to give him one I'd think it would be of the more traditional design that Tracker was using, rather than the spinning one used by Mr. Black that we've seen datamined.

Unless of course they're releasing them both as a class two-pack, since they have such similar elements. I think that could do well.

Quote from: The Necronoir on Sep 06, 2021, 02:18:18 PM
Lately though, I've started to wonder if Illfonic is playing a bit of a bluff. After the delayed Isabelle release they switched to using generic placeholder images for the roadmap, so we can only tell whether we're getting a fireteam or predator class, right? But what if this next one is a human who wears predator tech, ala Noland...?

Based on the latest PlayStation blog post, I'm pretty sure October's will be another Predator.

"We have heard the requests for more Yautja and modes, and while we can't share any details yet – be sure to keep an eye on our social media handles and forums!"

Falconer and Mr.Black wear slightly different armors with Falconer's other big change having a much more covered left gauntlet than Mr.Black does. The base body would work but if Illfonic is going to go to the trouble of making Falconer and Mr.Black it'd be better to do all three. They did add a laser for the City Hunter breather so it's possible Falconer would get a change for the sake of gameplay. If he's built on Mr.Black he'd have one by default. They could give the ability to swap out plasmacaster for a falcon so it wouldn't matter. Plasmacasters are seperate objects to the Predator and they did have an alternate on JH at launch, it might be something they can mess with.

Quote from: SuperiorIronman on Sep 07, 2021, 12:38:20 PM

Quote from: RidgeTop on Sep 06, 2021, 09:02:07 PM
Falconer could make sense, since he just has the same armor as Mr. Black, you could just swap the masks and have a Mr. Black skin and dreadlock pattern. It would be odd of them to have that falcon drone modeled just to abandon it, and also for Mr. Black to just be the one using it.

Then again Falconer never had a plasma caster, and if they were to give him one I'd think it would be of the more traditional design that Tracker was using, rather than the spinning one used by Mr. Black that we've seen datamined.

Unless of course they're releasing them both as a class two-pack, since they have such similar elements. I think that could do well.

Quote from: The Necronoir on Sep 06, 2021, 02:18:18 PM
Lately though, I've started to wonder if Illfonic is playing a bit of a bluff. After the delayed Isabelle release they switched to using generic placeholder images for the roadmap, so we can only tell whether we're getting a fireteam or predator class, right? But what if this next one is a human who wears predator tech, ala Noland...?

Based on the latest PlayStation blog post, I'm pretty sure October's will be another Predator.

"We have heard the requests for more Yautja and modes, and while we can't share any details yet – be sure to keep an eye on our social media handles and forums!"

Falconer and Mr.Black wear slightly different armors with Falconer's other big change having a much more covered left gauntlet than Mr.Black does. The base body would work but if Illfonic is going to go to the trouble of making Falconer and Mr.Black it'd be better to do all three. They did add a laser for the City Hunter breather so it's possible Falconer would get a change for the sake of gameplay. If he's built on Mr.Black he'd have one by default. They could give the ability to swap out plasmacaster for a falcon so it wouldn't matter. Plasmacasters are seperate objects to the Predator and they did have an alternate on JH at launch, it might be something they can mess with.

I think they'd probably combine elements of Mr Black into any potential Falconer DLC, including the gatling plasma caster RidgeTop mentions. Another factor that makes me think that way is having the mask included in Isabelle's outfit. We eventually got the Sabre mask from Dutch's gear after all.

The result wouldn't be 100% movie accurate, but close enough to appease most people who want a complete Mr Black, Falconer, and possibly Tracker as well. I'd be satisfied with that.

They totally missed the boat I think with a Predators expansion pack, packaging a playable Isabelle, the Super Predators, A.I. River Ghosts and one Hunting Reserve Planet map (which would be free available to all).

In a bare bones approach: With no chopper lead-in, the mission is locate the missing randomized Predator ship components on the map and escape to the Predator ship *which they already have the model for. Mission briefly displayed on screen. Targets on map. No Zeus required. The Hunting Reserve can be done with mostly all the same jungle assets. Just add some planets in the horizon sky and one Predator camp. Add a totem here and there. River Ghost will be the same Stargazer AI they use now, increase their speed by triple, give them some type of projectile laser based weapon and decrease their numbers by 80%.

Sure I'd love hell hounds, and cutting down an A.I. crucified Predator that fights along side you once freed, but I was thinking just in a real thin minimum effort type of way for Illfonic to pull it off.

Could still be getting more Predators themed stuff if we're lucky.

There was a hunting camp that was datamined that we still haven't seen yet...

(https://forum.predator.illfonic.com/uploads/default/original/2X/2/29e7df640aaa4a8ff1da528036b72fb39cbaa3fd.jpeg)

Wow, I hardly remember that image. That was from way in the beginning right?

Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Sep 07, 2021, 08:25:48 PM
Wow, I hardly remember that image. That was from way in the beginning right?

I think that was found last October: https://forum.predator.illfonic.com/t/an-archive-for-all-the-leaks/16932

Quote from: RidgeTop on Sep 08, 2021, 03:55:19 AM

Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Sep 07, 2021, 08:25:48 PM
Wow, I hardly remember that image. That was from way in the beginning right?

I think that was found last October: https://forum.predator.illfonic.com/t/an-archive-for-all-the-leaks/16932

Cool, thanks!

Quote from: RidgeTop on Sep 07, 2021, 04:54:58 PM
Could still be getting more Predators themed stuff if we're lucky.

There was a hunting camp that was datamined that we still haven't seen yet...

(https://forum.predator.illfonic.com/uploads/default/original/2X/2/29e7df640aaa4a8ff1da528036b72fb39cbaa3fd.jpeg)

That's always struck me more as an assets test area, which is common in game development. The hanging corpses in the game now have ragdoll physics, so presumably these ones do too, and they're using the terrain etc to test out various poses. Maybe still destined for the game at a later date, or maybe a shelved idea (possibly for ratings-related reasons)?

Well... It'll be either tomorrow, Friday, or next Tuesday or Friday. Given their track record, my money is on the 29th.

I'm maintaining it will be up on the 26th. I'd like for it to be tomorrow but I just don't see it.

Quote from: SuperiorIronman on Oct 18, 2021, 09:44:26 PM
I'm maintaining it will be up on the 26th. I'd like for it to be tomorrow but I just don't see it.

Same here.

Quote from: Samhain13 on Oct 18, 2021, 11:09:03 PM

Quote from: SuperiorIronman on Oct 18, 2021, 09:44:26 PM
I'm maintaining it will be up on the 26th. I'd like for it to be tomorrow but I just don't see it.

Same here.

Same, same, here!  Can't wait!

Eskimo Predator or go bust.

Bet its the ligma Predator.

I'm just hoping for one that is a long range class Predator with decent stats and a new long range weapon that isn't a reskin of the current weaponry. Please give me a Speargun already!

Quote from: RidgeTop on Sep 07, 2021, 04:54:58 PM
Could still be getting more Predators themed stuff if we're lucky.

There was a hunting camp that was datamined that we still haven't seen yet...

(https://forum.predator.illfonic.com/uploads/default/original/2X/2/29e7df640aaa4a8ff1da528036b72fb39cbaa3fd.jpeg)

Mr Black could very well fit in this picture because he sort of more violent

Well folks, in all likelihood tomorrow is the day of the update. Any final wagers?

Personally I think it'll be a movie Predator, but I'm uncertain of which.

In the last blog post they did say "We have heard the requests for more Yautja and modes..."

And while I'm sure Tiki will be cool, I don't hear many requests for that Predator. I think they'll want something really enticing for all those new PS+ players to spend their money on.

As far as a new mode, it'll likely be one of three: Night Mode, Gauntlet (3 Preds, 12 FT), or Lone Wolf.

For that one, my guess is Night Mode.

A Night Mode at first glance feels insane to balance. But I do so love the spooky idea (just in time for Halloween!) and hope it happens if not this week, one day, nevertheless!

I'm hoping for Scarface. Mostly for balance fixes and the speargun but for Predator DLC, Scarface would be awesome.

Quote from: Mr.Turok on Oct 25, 2021, 09:33:00 PM
I'm hoping for Scarface. Mostly for balance fixes and the speargun but for Predator DLC, Scarface would be awesome.

Scarface would be awesome!

Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Oct 25, 2021, 09:40:46 PM

Quote from: Mr.Turok on Oct 25, 2021, 09:33:00 PM
I'm hoping for Scarface. Mostly for balance fixes and the speargun but for Predator DLC, Scarface would be awesome.

Scarface would be awesome!

That would also be a great choice. He's a fan favorite and given he was the main Pred in the last major Predator game before this one, I could see it happening.

maybe it's a Halloween-themed predator. A frankensteined, escaped lab subject. Or a mutant spliced-up predator.

I hope not tough.

Well then... guess it's Friday.

Yeah, I was all excited when I received a notification that Illfonic tweeted, only to find an Arcadegeddon post.   :-\

Quote from: bobby brown on Oct 26, 2021, 09:52:55 AM
maybe it's a Halloween-themed predator. A frankensteined, escaped lab subject. Or a mutant spliced-up predator.

I hope not tough.

MICHAEL MYERS PREDATOR ! He can be called... SAMHAIN !

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Illfonic themselves have said that releasing a new patch on a Friday, before the weekend, is bad, since that's when the most people play and if there would be any new bugs(which has never happened before when Illfonic has released a new patch ;)) it's not going to look as good.

But then its not like they practice what they preach.

I would be happy with any new movie Predator or Scarface.

They tend to wait until the last possible minute, don't they? I remember back in April they dropped the update on a Wednesday.

https://www.avpgalaxy.net/2021/04/29/celebrate-predator-hunting-grounds-one-year-anniversary-with-a-release-on-steam-a-new-map-and-more/

Quote from: Samhain13 on Oct 26, 2021, 09:01:15 PM

Quote from: bobby brown on Oct 26, 2021, 09:52:55 AM
maybe it's a Halloween-themed predator. A frankensteined, escaped lab subject. Or a mutant spliced-up predator.

I hope not tough.

MICHAEL MYERS PREDATOR ! He can be called... SAMHAIN !

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Illfonic themselves have said that releasing a new patch on a Friday, before the weekend, is bad, since that's when the most people play and if there would be any new bugs(which has never happened before when Illfonic has released a new patch ;)) it's not going to look as good.

But then its not like they practice what they preach.

So instead of taking advantage of more people discovering bugs that can damage gameplay that can easily be reported at the time for Illfonic to fix, thus improving their product for all to enjoy.......they care about image above all else?   :P

Little wonder the shape of the game currently.

The shape of the game is still great on PS. As someone who plays 4-5 days a week consistently, the playerbase is still there - pre & post the PS Promotion, and I'm still having a blast. I met/joined party/friended a group of players just last night. Still 30 second wait times for Fireteams. That's never changed. We never have a need for a bot unless someone drops. (I love that you can take over for a bot though.) Clash is healthy too. The map count is where it needs to be - no one is complaining anymore for more maps. The balance is the best it's been. And bugs are at a minimum.

I do feel bad for the PC players though. Apparently their side was the necessity for the bots from what I read on the Illfonic forums. And as much as some PC players would not like to believe, PS players in this community, myself, PS players outside the community, I keep asking, I make it a point to ask, and more than not check their crossplay off (including me). "I don't wanna play with no f'n PC players"... because there's an advantage with fps on PC. PS players are the lionshare of the playerbase and most are pretty smart when it comes to that imbalance. And the in-game option to turn that off isn't hidden.

Quote from: Mr.Turok on Oct 27, 2021, 02:11:36 AM
So instead of taking advantage of more people discovering bugs that can damage gameplay that can easily be reported at the time for Illfonic to fix, thus improving their product for all to enjoy.......they care about image above all else?   :P

Little wonder the shape of the game currently.

Also they don't like working on weekends.

Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Oct 27, 2021, 12:44:40 PM
I do feel bad for the PC players though. Apparently their side was the necessity for the bots from what I read on the Illfonic forums. And as much as some PC players would not like to believe, PS players in this community, myself, PS players outside the community, I keep asking, I make it a point to ask, and more than not check their crossplay off (including me). "I don't wanna play with no f'n PC players"... because there's an advantage with fps on PC. PS players are the lionshare of the playerbase and most are pretty smart when it comes to that imbalance. And the in-game option to turn that off isn't hidden.

We on PC are all getting matches as FT in 30 seconds and as Predator in 2-3 minutes, most people on PS don't turn crossplay off, you guys that do it are a minority that doesn't affect us. If I'm playing ft solo most time I'm the only PC player in the lobby, we only play with crossplay off if we have a party of 4 PC players since its too easy to win otherwise, still fast to find matches as FT even then.

The game is poorly optimized for PC, I play it with 40-50 fps most of the time due to the graphics I have it set, on ps5 you can get that same type of fps. Most people on PC can only go with over 60 fps if they lower the graphics.

The advantage on PC is more in regards to the aiming and spotting you can do with the mouse, key biddings etc.

Bots were added more due to complains of how bad randoms fireteam players you get into matches with are, if you are playing alone you are going to have to fight the Predator 1v1 most of the time. Bots are more usefull since they follow you around, can drop ammo or medkits, give you extra lives, are actually capable to hitting the Predator.

Here is an example of an average match with randoms and a bot now: (https://i.ibb.co/s32nK00/unknown.png)

Quote from: Samhain13 on Oct 27, 2021, 02:46:01 PM
most people on PS don't turn crossplay off, you guys that do it are a minority that doesn't affect us.

While there are no real stats provided by Illfonic to support this declaration (in either perspective), this is the current reflection of the times. Knowledgeable PS players have been toggling off crossplay to avoid PC players for years, not just with Predator: Hunting Grounds. And they turn it off not just to avoid the unfair interface advantage PC players have, but to also avoid their concerns with the PC hacks and cheating tools. Me and three randoners were all literally discussing this last night and we all had it turned off coming in.

So as long as your lionshare majority of playerbase is console born, it's going to negatively impact PC's playerbase, especially if the game leans fps. It will hurt the PC side more than the console side, no matter how one might be a PC fan. It's just gravity, and you can't negotiate with gravity. :)

We don't even have to cus its not affecting us as of now.

I finished a match that I got into it in 30 seconds just now:

(https://i.ibb.co/wYKRM2C/afafsf.png)

Some of us on PC kind of prefer to get 5 players and do privates against each other anyway since pubs on this game can get pretty boring fast. We have discord groups for that.

Hey, if you guys on PC aren't experiencing any lack of playerbase right now, that's awesome! I want that for everyone in this game's second year, especially as a die-hard fan! I was just responding Turok's post in regards to the shape of the game, and at least on the PS side, it's still rocking & rolling and was still even before the pre-PS+ promotion. So I'm a very happy fan. Woot!!!

Now give us our update Illfonic!  :D

Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Oct 27, 2021, 12:44:40 PM
The shape of the game is still great on PS. As someone who plays 4-5 days a week consistently, the playerbase is still there - pre & post the PS Promotion, and I'm still having a blast. I met/joined party/friended a group of players just last night. Still 30 second wait times for Fireteams. That's never changed. We never have a need for a bot unless someone drops. (I love that you can take over for a bot though.) Clash is healthy too. The map count is where it needs to be - no one is complaining anymore for more maps. The balance is the best it's been. And bugs are at a minimum.

And that's where this discussion begins. Unfortunately the shift of balance for this game favors Fireteam, and I say this as a Fireteam main with some Predator on the side. Various discords have tested and dissected how the numbers in terms of stats, damage, classes, tools, perks, and weaponry had always been very solid for the side of Fireteam due to such variables. When that is the meta of the game, then its no longer Predator Hunting Grounds, its Fireteam Hunting Grounds. Thats why the name Fireteam Hunting Grounds is such a meme in the community as its just too easy to take down a Predator when the point is being that the Predator is supposed to be something to get excited about facing, not just fun shooting practice. It isn't really fun when most Predator players are melee rushers that can easily be countered with parry and then shot down by the rest of the Fireteam in seconds. I don't want easy wins, I want challenging fun. It doesn't have to be competitive but it has to be engaging, and its not right now when the meta is melee rushing Predators that have no strategy to their gameplay and random Fireteam members that have no idea what is gong on 99% of the time.

Oh and bugs still exist, such as the fact that Predators were supposed to be able to cancel pig eating since the day 1 patch but it doesn't work

(https://forum.predator.illfonic.com/uploads/default/original/3X/a/2/a2c7148fd8fbce4819d8de794d8da5763d6bad3a.jpeg)

So it was never supposed to be this "risk tactic" but just a non functional interaction that Predators currently have but cannot get to work. When you have 7ways of Fireteam to revive and heal themselves, through health synergies, health packs, health packs throughout the map, health syringes found in ammo crates, the Field Medic Specialization that revives in seconds with the addition of 3/4ths health boost, Bots being able to revive players, and Bots being over taken by players compared to the only three ways of Predator to heal, via health syringes of their own, pig eating, and Second Wind.  You are limited to two heals, Second Wind has a long recharge time, and one leaves you extremely vulnerable to find and eat one, as they always spawn near Fireteam and there is no way to defend yourself from Fireteam ambush.

When Fireteam has 7 ways to come back from death, compared to 3 ways the Predator has, the balance is completely unfair, how is that justified? 

Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Oct 27, 2021, 12:44:40 PM
I do feel bad for the PC players though. Apparently their side was the necessity for the bots from what I read on the Illfonic forums. And as much as some PC players would not like to believe, PS players in this community, myself, PS players outside the community, I keep asking, I make it a point to ask, and more than not check their crossplay off (including me). "I don't wanna play with no f'n PC players"... because there's an advantage with fps on PC. PS players are the lionshare of the playerbase and most are pretty smart when it comes to that imbalance. And the in-game option to turn that off isn't hidden.

Aim assist doesn't even exist for us PS players. While its not a full solution to the problem of PC vs Console, it sure as hell would mitigate how terrible aim most players have in this game. Very rarely do I see any who got good aim, and somehow in other PFS games, this isn't the case. Aim assist would definitely help relive some struggle of the PS players.

Quote from: Samhain13 on Oct 27, 2021, 02:46:01 PM

Quote from: Mr.Turok on Oct 27, 2021, 02:11:36 AM
So instead of taking advantage of more people discovering bugs that can damage gameplay that can easily be reported at the time for Illfonic to fix, thus improving their product for all to enjoy.......they care about image above all else?   :P

Little wonder the shape of the game currently.

Also they don't like working on weekends.

Very understandable, people gotta take breaks which is fair enough.

Quote from: Mr.Turok on Oct 27, 2021, 06:19:53 PM
And that's where this discussion begins. Unfortunately the shift of balance for this game favors Fireteam, and I say this as a Fireteam main with some Predator on the side. Various discords have tested and dissected how the numbers in terms of stats, damage, classes, tools, perks, and weaponry had always been very solid for the side of Fireteam due to such variables. When that is the meta of the game, then its no longer Predator Hunting Grounds, its Fireteam Hunting Grounds. Thats why the name Fireteam Hunting Grounds is such a meme in the community as its just too easy to take down a Predator when the point is being that the Predator is supposed to be something to get excited about facing, not just fun shooting practice.

Ahhhh, I see the disconnect here. You want a different game. Let me turn your perspective on its head for a moment.

The way Predator: Hunting Grounds is currently balanced is what it was designed to be.

Let that soak in a minute.  :)

Illfonic's CEO Charles Brungardt and CCO Jared Gerritzen said on our very own AvPGalaxy podcast they wanted to break game design rules with "Predator: Hunting Grounds" where often in a match no one fully wins in the traditional sense. Where winning wasn't black and white. Where in a single match, half the Fireteam can win (escape to the chopper), half of the Fireteam can lose (taken as trophies) and the Predator partially wins and everyone gets points. That it's not competitive based multiplayer, but community based.

And this is important:  Charles and Jared said they wanted to flip tables where the Hunter becomes the Hunted, where this Elite Fireteam can be a stronger force than the Predator if they work together. Where a Predator is not a God. That it bleeds. Where it can be stressful to be a Predator. A game where the Predator has to be tactical to accomplish goals. And a game where the Predator doesn't need to down all four fireteam players as trophies to win. A game where you can be successful claiming one or two.

So I think what you are complaining about is actually not that the game is broken in any way, but rather you wish it was designed another way.  :)

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P.S. I'd say 99 times out of 100 I never die as a Predator against good Fireteams. But 99 out of 100 I don't claim all four trophies for my belt either. :)

And 9 out of 10 times on public games I kill the Predator 1v1 before the others even get a chance to see him. I literally run on the direction I hear him away from the others, then shoot him into second wind before he can outdamage me, chase him down and game over. Fireteam wasn't as easy as this back then, in the few weeks before they added specializations on the game, it was at its most balanced.

The reason the game is the way it is now is because they balanced the game around the possibilty of people having bad teammates on a match, so they increases the damage per second of the fireteam to make it so you don't need 4 good ft players to kill a good predator player. And since most players miss most shots, they increased the damage per bullets so that when they hit it makes something.

Illfonic has a fireteam bias, probably related to them not being good at playing first person shooters that is taken in consideration while balancing. They don't even play as Predator at all, just watch their streams, they cant play as Predator well. I played once with a Illfonic developer. He did 0 damage of course. That's why they added so many cheap assistance mechanics to the fireteam and nerfed Predator over so many patches.

The game was not balanced around having all players of the same skill level on a match, but around bad players.

Well, "Fireteam bias"  :laugh: or whatever you want to call it, it's by design. If you guys need a link to the podcast, let me know.

Unfortunately, there's nothing we can do about bad Fireteam and Predator players. Perhaps split matches in two available searches, normal... and Elite Matches, with a 150 level requirement to unlock it? Sure Elite will likely have longer wait times, but some might find it worth it. :)

https://twitter.com/IllFonic/status/1453133489973481474

NOICE!

Alright who had their money on Tiki?

NIGHT MAPS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Quote from: RidgeTop on Oct 28, 2021, 02:34:20 PM
Alright who had their money on Tiki?

Mine was on Falconer, so I was partially right, maybe?

Anyway, I'm looking forward to seeing what you can do with the new night variants of the maps, Ridge Top. Should make for some atmospheric screen captures!

Yeah, RidgeTop will be able to snap some real beauties I bet.

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I think we may just have Single Player Predator matches now!

• Fireteam Bots will now chase after the Predator if the Predator is the only player in the match

I've been doing some photo scouting already!

Odd thing I've noticed, Tiki has unique dredlocks in one of the marketing pics, and just the elder ones in the other:

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The new Tiki dreds are not in the game.

I always figured it would be Tiki, so no surprise there. What I am pleasantly surprised by is him being based on the Exiles from the first arc of Hunters! Those were one of the comic Preds I've always wanted them to add, so I'm very happy about that!

It seems obvious in retrospect, but it never even occurred to me that "Tiki" might be based on those guys. :laugh:

And night maps too (well, most of them)! Another feature that's been talked about since practically day one that I never actually thought we'd ever see! Definitely looking forward to seeing the maps in a new (lack of) light.

Sadly while I'm happy overall with this update, the addition of three more movie Predator masks, while cool, feels like the final nail in the coffin for any of them ever appearing as actual characters. I suspect at the time where Scar and Mr Black's plasma casters were datamined they'd planned on adding them, but if I had to put money on it I'd say the change-over from Fox to Disney put the brakes on that, for whatever reason (change of people they were dealing with, inter-departmental shenanigans, new policies etc).

I'm still holding out a tiny sliver of hope, but at this point I feel like their inclusion is about as likely as a city map is.

Still, this update itself looks good! I'm looking forward to jumping on later and giving it a go, so here's hoping it's not full of bugs!

Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Oct 28, 2021, 03:26:44 PM
I think we may just have Single Player Predator matches now!

• Fireteam Bots will now chase after the Predator if the Predator is the only player in the match

I would be more enthused about this if they didn't have laser flippin accuracy. Whenever I've tried out a build with them previously as soon as they spot me it's instaslaughter :)

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Cloak is currently broken on the game right now lol. What a mess of an update.  Predator gets half cloaked so fireteam can always see you. Reported by multiple players using multiple classes.

On the public matches I had today I was lagging way too much, something is wrong. On private matches even when I had 300+ ping seemed better so I guess its a problem on their servers.

AI can do a broken amount of damage sometimes now vs both ft and pred. One AI took half of my hp, like 70-80hp with one shot.

They added new audios for using isolation scan and energy overload, and these audio can get bugged into repeating itself over and over once triggered.

Exiled Predator dreadlocks aren't available, appear same as Elder.

I got all my loadouts and settings such as keybiddings or audio resetted when I started the game today.

Night mode is cool, but for Predator normal vision is too dark and thermal vision too bright. Its easier to spot him cloaked at night. For Fireteam the atmosphere better than at day and awesome I will give them that but its too easy to chase down the Predator.

Increased level cap but no rewards for it so not interested.

3 new masks are nice but the actual Predator class that had them instead of this cosplay Predator would have been better.

Illfonic being Illfonic.

Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Oct 28, 2021, 03:26:44 PM
Yeah, RidgeTop will be able to snap some real beauties I bet.

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I think we may just have Single Player Predator matches now!

• Fireteam Bots will now chase after the Predator if the Predator is the only player in the match

Getting closer...

Hotfix 2.29 is out.

According to Oldkinghamlet on Reddit, Exile apparently is supposed to be one of the Predators from Hunters 1. He doesn't really look like them but I guess we can say we got a Predator from the franchise finally even if it was only from a comic. If I had to noprize this he's probably from that group and got away since he doesn't look like any of them. Alternatively he died before the events of Hunters. Though it's more likely the design was influenced by them.

Nice to get a Predator from the comics, I really enjoyed the first Hunters.
So the AvP masks are called with different names, not Celtic and Chopper?
I hope this wasn't the last DLC!

Quote from: SuperiorIronman on Oct 28, 2021, 11:50:35 PM
Hotfix 2.29 is out.

According to Oldkinghamlet on Reddit, Exile apparently is supposed to be one of the Predators from Hunters 1. He doesn't really look like them but I guess we can say we got a Predator from the franchise finally even if it was only from a comic. If I had to noprize this he's probably from that group and got away since he doesn't look like any of them. Alternatively he died before the events of Hunters. Though it's more likely the design was influenced by them.

Yeah definitely inspired or a nod to those Preds, rather than a direct pull from the comic.

Quote from: Wweyland on Oct 29, 2021, 06:27:32 AM
Nice to get a Predator from the comics, I really enjoyed the first Hunters.
So the AvP masks are called with different names, not Celtic and Chopper?
I hope this wasn't the last DLC!

I really don't think this is the last DLC we'll be seeing. Hopefully we have a new roadmap in December.

Quote from: Wweyland on Oct 29, 2021, 06:27:32 AM
Nice to get a Predator from the comics, I really enjoyed the first Hunters.
So the AvP masks are called with different names, not Celtic and Chopper?
I hope this wasn't the last DLC!

The DLC does have it stated the skin for the warclub will be available in December so roughly about this time then we will get a new roadmap.

Best guess as to why they're changed is that due to licensing they have access to the iconography, just not the characters who used them. So because the masks are named after the character they have to get renamed since we didn't actually get Celtic and Chopper. No idea why Falconer got renamed though. It could be something in that case from the I.P holders since Isabelle is wearing that mask. Could be they didn't want her wearing Falconer's mask so she's wearing one that looks like it, just not the mask Falconer actually wore. That would also explain the weird coloration since his mask wasn't this rusted out color.

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Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Oct 28, 2021, 03:26:44 PM
I think we may just have Single Player Predator matches now!

• Fireteam Bots will now chase after the Predator if the Predator is the only player in the match

I would be more enthused about this if they didn't have laser flippin accuracy. Whenever I've tried out a build with them previously as soon as they spot me it's instaslaughter :)

Don't forget.... you have a great assortment *of modifiers in Private Matches, allowing you to make the Predator overly strong and the Fireteam overly weak. Just find the balance that is the perfect balanced challenge for you and you're all set!  :)

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Quote from: Samhain13 on Oct 28, 2021, 09:19:05 PM
On the public matches I had today I was lagging way too much, something is wrong. On private matches even when I had 300+ ping seemed better so I guess its a problem on their servers.

Yeah, me and Kailem turned on our crossplay to party up with RidgeTop on PC last night and there was some definite problems we experienced across the board with general stability and matchmaking, that went away when RidgeTop switched over to PS5. I would definitely make a note of everything you're experiencing in Illfonic's Bug Report threads.

Quote from: SuperiorIronman on Oct 28, 2021, 11:50:35 PM
Hotfix 2.29 is out.

According to Oldkinghamlet on Reddit, Exile apparently is supposed to be one of the Predators from Hunters 1. He doesn't really look like them but I guess we can say we got a Predator from the franchise finally even if it was only from a comic. If I had to noprize this he's probably from that group and got away since he doesn't look like any of them. Alternatively he died before the events of Hunters. Though it's more likely the design was influenced by them.

Yeah, I would have LOVED a design directly pulled from the comic.

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But alas, I truly believe Illfonic would if they could. And I'm still very happy with what we got with Exiled.

How many trophies could be obtained using bots in Fire Team and Predator?

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Quote from: Biggles on Oct 28, 2021, 08:07:34 PM

Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Oct 28, 2021, 03:26:44 PM
I think we may just have Single Player Predator matches now!

• Fireteam Bots will now chase after the Predator if the Predator is the only player in the match

I would be more enthused about this if they didn't have laser flippin accuracy. Whenever I've tried out a build with them previously as soon as they spot me it's instaslaughter :)

Don't forget.... you have a great assortment *of modifiers in Private Matches, allowing you to make the Predator overly strong and the Fireteam overly weak. Just find the balance that is the perfect balanced challenge for you and you're all set!  :)

*edit for grammar

Ah, good point, thanks! I forgot about the options. I'll give it a go for a bit of movie-style single player RP.

I wonder why they release these new Predator designs? They look cool but wouldn't movie Predators sell better? I think it would make more sense to release Celtic and Mr. Black. Not just masks.

Quote from: Galactus123 on Oct 30, 2021, 12:52:06 PM
I wonder why they release these new Predator designs? They look cool but wouldn't movie Predators sell better? I think it would make more sense to release Celtic and Mr. Black. Not just masks.

Something just tells me they can't. And maybe it's a newer thing. Illfonic couldn't even come out and directly acknowledge that the Exile Predator was inspired by the Predator Hunters comic, let alone directly lift one if its designs. Jared had to do it on social media through a personal account in a roundabout way.

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Add that to calling these masks Salamander, Mors and Foxtrot and it seems their dancing around enforced licensing restrictions.

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It has to be a licensing restriction. We know continuity is separated by brand and by extension license, and given those masks are named after the characters that used them it only makes sense they'd get a name change. We know the Thomas brothers have access to the AVP stuff, but it seems based on Hunting Grounds that they have access to the iconography, just not the characters. That might even be an indicator of what Disney ultimately owns provided the lawsuit goes south.

Falconer is a weird one but I speculate that's over Isabelle. Mr.Black is a name used by Berserker, and with the game having it's own Berserker it only makes sense to rename it to avoid confusion. In the case of Isabelle I suspect that because of Isabelle having the mask on her back someone made them change the name as to suggest a different Falconer. I wouldn't know specifically why, but that would explain the name change and default color being bronze.

I really doubt the supers are a separate license. That'd be a bit weird and while I could ask OKH I doubt he'd know. Like why would the supers be a separate license but not the characters like Isabelle and Royce? Maybe there is some weird legal crap like with the AVP stuff. Though I chalk it up to the issues with the head as to why they didn't do the characters and did the helmets instead.

I don't think the lawsuit impacts this at all. The Thomas Brothers has no rights over any incarnation of the Hunter/Predator yet and when that will occur will be decided in court next year.

This could be as simple as old management said Illfonic has access to everything Predator, and new management said... not so fast, there's additional fees to pay. And perhaps they paid it for Isabelle?

Regarding "Mr. Black", that might not not even be a copyrighted name by 20th Century Studios. It may just be known as "Berserker" in their book, so a rename wasn't required.

Alas, it is all very weird and hard to decode as an outsider looking in.

Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Oct 30, 2021, 01:45:23 PM

Quote from: Galactus123 on Oct 30, 2021, 12:52:06 PM
I wonder why they release these new Predator designs? They look cool but wouldn't movie Predators sell better? I think it would make more sense to release Celtic and Mr. Black. Not just masks.

Something just tells me they can't. And maybe it's a newer thing. Illfonic couldn't even come out and directly acknowledge that the Exile Predator was inspired by the Predator Hunters comic, let alone directly lift one if its designs. Jared had to do it on social media through a personal account in a roundabout way.

Add that to calling these masks Salamander, Mors and Foxtrot and it seems their dancing around enforced licensing restrictions.

Maybe but I don't think they would be able to include those masks if they weren't allowed to use AVP stuff. They could just release full Celtic and use that other name.

Every film and piece of media is legally a distinct entity and the studio can license out pieces of them however they see fit.

One of the weirder distinctions I've seen is that all the armour and weapons had to be redesigned for the Hobbit trilogy movies because the right to original pieces were owned by a different film studio - despite Weta doing the work on both movies.

My guess is there's nothing stopping them using individual design pieces, but putting it together as an actual "character" - even with a name change - oversteps whatever boundary is in place.

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Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Oct 29, 2021, 01:10:13 PM

Quote from: Biggles on Oct 28, 2021, 08:07:34 PM

Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Oct 28, 2021, 03:26:44 PM
I think we may just have Single Player Predator matches now!

• Fireteam Bots will now chase after the Predator if the Predator is the only player in the match

I would be more enthused about this if they didn't have laser flippin accuracy. Whenever I've tried out a build with them previously as soon as they spot me it's instaslaughter :)

Don't forget.... you have a great assortment *of modifiers in Private Matches, allowing you to make the Predator overly strong and the Fireteam overly weak. Just find the balance that is the perfect balanced challenge for you and you're all set!  :)

*edit for grammar

Ah, good point, thanks! I forgot about the options. I'll give it a go for a bit of movie-style single player RP.

So I gave the bots a try last night versus me as the Predator, and unfortunately, they are definitely not ready for primetime in this way yet. Better to continue and single player the Predator against the A.I. and go hunting in their encampments and just leave the bots to accompanying a Fireteam player (if needed.) Hopefully they'll keep working on it though, and Illfonic will continue to keep improving them to the day they end support.

Ah bugger. Thanks for reporting back. I hadn't tried yet due to being away and then too ill to focus on ripping people's spines out.

This game is so flawed. I was in the tree fort trying to shoot down at the ground and the height of the railing makes it impossible to do so. Infact it took off my health and injured me instead of simply being able to shoot down. Gane is cheap. Hope somethimg bett can come out of this. A seaquel to concrete jungle on ps5.

Yep those railings will bounce back splash damage. You can't shoot through them.

December......c'mon. Let's put this post down like a stray dog that got rabies.

Quote from: acrediblesource on Nov 13, 2021, 07:53:40 PM
December......c'mon. Let's put this post down like a stray dog that got rabies.

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