Just watched it on the BBC iPlayer.
Spoiler
The Xeno or "proto" hunting Daniels and Tennessee on the Covenant as walter helps.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b08pnflr/the-graham-norton-show-series-21-episode-5
Starts at 33:54
Might need to be in UK to watch it.
Ain't seen it mentioned and its a pretty cool scene.
Yeah it doesn't work in Trumpland.
Looks fantastic. CGI a little suspicious, but amazing sets/atmosphere.
Shame about the alleged cut shot of the xeno.
Quote from: Citadel on May 06, 2017, 11:07:47 PM
Looks fantastic. CGI a little suspicious, but amazing sets/atmosphere.
Shame about the alleged cut shot of the xeno.
What cut shot??
Quote from: Gigeresque on May 06, 2017, 11:08:31 PM
Quote from: Citadel on May 06, 2017, 11:07:47 PM
Looks fantastic. CGI a little suspicious, but amazing sets/atmosphere.
Shame about the alleged cut shot of the xeno.
What cut shot??
According to members who've seen the early previews
Spoiler
the shot of the xeno running through the red-lit corridors in the trailer has been cut completely.
Quote from: Citadel on May 06, 2017, 11:21:00 PM
Quote from: Gigeresque on May 06, 2017, 11:08:31 PM
Quote from: Citadel on May 06, 2017, 11:07:47 PM
Looks fantastic. CGI a little suspicious, but amazing sets/atmosphere.
Shame about the alleged cut shot of the xeno.
What cut shot??
According to members who've seen the early previews
Spoiler
the shot of the xeno running through the red-lit corridors in the trailer has been cut completely.
Ugh. At least they didn't cut the shower scene. Wonder why Scott cut that scene?
Quote from: Gigeresque on May 06, 2017, 11:23:46 PM
Quote from: Citadel on May 06, 2017, 11:21:00 PM
Quote from: Gigeresque on May 06, 2017, 11:08:31 PM
Quote from: Citadel on May 06, 2017, 11:07:47 PM
Looks fantastic. CGI a little suspicious, but amazing sets/atmosphere.
Shame about the alleged cut shot of the xeno.
What cut shot??
According to members who've seen the early previews
Spoiler
the shot of the xeno running through the red-lit corridors in the trailer has been cut completely.
Ugh. At least they didn't cut the shower scene. Wonder why Scott cut that scene?
Yeah the shot looked incredible, too. I hope there's something similar still in there.
Quote from: Citadel on May 06, 2017, 11:21:00 PM
Quote from: Gigeresque on May 06, 2017, 11:08:31 PM
Quote from: Citadel on May 06, 2017, 11:07:47 PM
Looks fantastic. CGI a little suspicious, but amazing sets/atmosphere.
Shame about the alleged cut shot of the xeno.
What cut shot??
According to members who've seen the early previews
Spoiler
the shot of the xeno running through the red-lit corridors in the trailer has been cut completely.
Yeah that shot of the Xeno bouncing off the walls wasn't in the cut shown at the premiere (really annoys me they keep advertising it), doubt anything will be changed when it's officially released but who knows.
and what about that
Spoiler
xenovision
eh!
Quote from: FreeFacehugz on May 06, 2017, 11:29:23 PM
and what about that Spoiler
xenovision
Yeah that's in... found those shots odd actually, us in the eyes of the monster.
POV shots of the killer's view are very, very common in horror films :P
Quote from: M_Tak on May 06, 2017, 11:33:20 PM
Quote from: FreeFacehugz on May 06, 2017, 11:29:23 PM
and what about that Spoiler
xenovision
Yeah that's in... found those shots odd actually, us in the eyes of the monster.
One of my major gripes with Life. Hope its not as cheesy in Alien with all the extra overlays and effects.
That was a nice scene from Alien Isolation.
oh...
wait a sec.
Quote from: FreeFacehugz on May 06, 2017, 11:29:23 PM
and what about that Spoiler
xenovision
Yeahhhh... a little unsure about that one. :D
Any way I can see this?
BBC iPlayer doesn't work for me because I don't live in the UK.
I thought it was good, but I did feel a bit disappointed about the xeno - it looked too cgi and shiny. Like others have said about different trailers, it moves without much weight. The xeno in Alien on the other hand, fell like a sack of potatoes after Ripley blasted it with a shot of steam/smoke while it was resting in the escape ship.
The camera angles in the norton clip also didn't help - made it look like blair witch found footage - and not in a good way.
Anyone remember the crystal maze? The ship tv monitor perspective reminded me of that for some bizarre reason.
As for the Xenovision. Nope. It might have worked for "Life", but in an Alien movie? Maybe if I had not seen the Red Dwarf alien parody episode - "Polymorph"(and its POV until it sees its own reflection in a mirror...) I might have a different opinion.
POV would make sense however IF a former crew member who we got to sympathise with, was transformed into a Xeno and it was wildly trying to work out what had happened to it/him/her.
Quote from: Evanus on May 07, 2017, 12:42:43 AM
Any way I can see this?
BBC iPlayer doesn't work for me because I don't live in the UK.
VPN using UK server will enable you to access iPlayer. Just answer yes to the question as to whether you have a TV licence.
Man that looks sick when it crawls down that shaft
Quote from: Citadel on May 06, 2017, 11:21:00 PM
Quote from: Gigeresque on May 06, 2017, 11:08:31 PM
Quote from: Citadel on May 06, 2017, 11:07:47 PM
Looks fantastic. CGI a little suspicious, but amazing sets/atmosphere.
Shame about the alleged cut shot of the xeno.
What cut shot??
According to members who've seen the early previews
Spoiler
the shot of the xeno running through the red-lit corridors in the trailer has been cut completely.
Good. I don't like that shot.
Yuck that cgi.
Yeah, it looks good but it's clearly CGI.
I think the CGI in Prometheus looks better... And that film is five years old. :o
Ohhhh Fassbender that wasnt Walterrrr.
Nipples they bug me more then the bug itself.
Cgi looks like Stargate series (again) :D
Was the deacon in Prommy all CGI?
Quote from: Richman678 on May 07, 2017, 10:57:41 AM
Was the deacon in Prommy all CGI?
If I remember correctly they used a rod puppet and CGI.
I was not a big fan of the Deacon but it looked a lot more real than the CGI in this clip.
I didn't mind the clip, but that was very clearly CG. I also was surprised they insisted on showing so much of the alien's movements.
Wow, that complaining of CGI when it looks absolutely fantastic. Really guys, give it a frigging break. It looks absolutely stunning, and done really, really, really well. Doesnt bother at all.
Well the answer is clear indeed that it destroys the camera. allright.
Loving the crawl down the shaft, with the tail wrapping around the ladder.
It does remind a lot of the original movie though, but this one is much faster.
Well, yeah it looks pretty good, but not as good as I hoped. I also think they showed a bit too much, and I'm not sure about the Xenovision.
Interesting perspective shot for the Xeno, reminds me of Alien 3. That CGI of it crawling down the hole was a little strange.
CGI looks fine to me here and quite authentic to how the alien would move around the ship. Of course the up close practical shot looks better but the CGI is far from Sci-fi channel bad. These hyperbolic statements by some of you :laugh:
Quote from: cucuchu on May 07, 2017, 11:57:16 AM
CGI looks fine to me here and quite authentic to how the alien would move around the ship. Of course the up close practical shot looks better but the CGI is far from Sci-fi channel bad. These hyperbolic statements by some of you :laugh:
Not to be hating, but the part where it crawls down the stairs made me think of the Sarah Connor Chronicles, where the T-1000 blobs away :D
WTF with that CGI guys?
Im sorry but was it only me who noticed how strange and absurdly CGI was made when it crawls down the hole. Look at xenos pipes (or trunks whatever) on his back when it goes down.. ehh... how?? Ghost xeno ?
Its clearly seen that the pipes just "go through the floor".. wtf???? I thought they supposed to be bended according to the smaller diameter of the hole.
??? :- ;D
Quote from: Infected on May 07, 2017, 12:02:10 PM
Quote from: cucuchu on May 07, 2017, 11:57:16 AM
CGI looks fine to me here and quite authentic to how the alien would move around the ship. Of course the up close practical shot looks better but the CGI is far from Sci-fi channel bad. These hyperbolic statements by some of you :laugh:
Not to be hating, but the part where it crawls down the stairs made me think of the Sarah Connor Chronicles, where the T-1000 blobs away :D
Fair enough, well in that case I am glad I missed the series so I won't be drawing the same mental comparisons.
I tend to try to look for CGI in movies and it can ruin the immersion for sure but if the atmosphere and blending into practical effects is good enough, I stop looking for it, if that makes any sense. I guess I will see how well it plays out in the cinema but here even without the proper atmosphere and build up of tension, it did not look that bad to me at all.
Quote from: cucuchu on May 07, 2017, 12:11:13 PM
Quote from: Infected on May 07, 2017, 12:02:10 PM
Quote from: cucuchu on May 07, 2017, 11:57:16 AM
CGI looks fine to me here and quite authentic to how the alien would move around the ship. Of course the up close practical shot looks better but the CGI is far from Sci-fi channel bad. These hyperbolic statements by some of you :laugh:
Not to be hating, but the part where it crawls down the stairs made me think of the Sarah Connor Chronicles, where the T-1000 blobs away :D
Fair enough, well in that case I am glad I missed the series so I won't be drawing the same mental comparisons.
I tend to try to look for CGI in movies and it can ruin the immersion for sure but if the atmosphere and blending into practical effects is good enough, I stop looking for it, if that makes any sense. I guess I will see how well it plays out in the cinema but here even without the proper atmosphere and build up of tension, it did not look that bad to me at all.
At some point it also reminded me of Alien 3.
Btw i can send you the Sarah Connor Chronicles on dvd if you are interested ;)
That POV shot is so, so lazy. It's not even fish eye. It's just a regular perspective shot, slightly higher off the ground, with an overlay you can make in 3 minutes in After Effects. Doesn't add anything, doesn't achieve anything; would've been better left on the cutting room floor.
Quote from: SiL on May 07, 2017, 12:21:02 PM
That POV shot is so, so lazy. It's not even fish eye. It's just a regular perspective shot, slightly higher off the ground, with an overlay you can make in 3 minutes in After Effects. Doesn't add anything, doesn't achieve anything; would've been better left on the cutting room floor.
Makes you think why its suprerior in hunting.
Quote from: niel on May 07, 2017, 12:09:20 PM
WTF with that CGI guys?
Im sorry but was it only me who noticed how strange and absurdly CGI was made when it crawls down the hole. Look at xenos pipes (or trunks whatever) on his back when it goes down.. ehh... how?? Ghost xeno ?
Its clearly seen that the pipes just "go through the floor".. wtf???? I thought they supposed to be bended according to the smaller diameter of the hole.
??? :- ;D
I think the CGI does look pretty ropey myself, but you definitely do see the pipes press flat against its back as it goes through.
1979: Scott asks Giger to take the eyes off to give the impression the Alien can see everywhere.
2017: LOL f**k it just run down the corridor with the camera on your head we'll fix it in post.
(and for the record, I always thought the POV shots in A3 were shit too).
Quote from: niel on May 07, 2017, 12:09:20 PM
WTF with that CGI guys?
Im sorry but was it only me who noticed how strange and absurdly CGI was made when it crawls down the hole. Look at xenos pipes (or trunks whatever) on his back when it goes down.. ehh... how?? Ghost xeno ?
Its clearly seen that the pipes just "go through the floor".. wtf???? I thought they supposed to be bended according to the smaller diameter of the hole.
??? :- ;D
wait now that you mention it, it does see like it just clipped the floor entirely. looks like atleast 1 of them is bending backwards but the rest isnt bending back fast enough to respond correctly. hmmm.
can anyone screencap this "weird CGI Alien running down the shaft" you guys are talking about? I can't see the clip since I am not in the UK
Quote from: cliffhanger on May 07, 2017, 12:35:24 PM
wait now that you mention it, it does see like it just clipped the floor entirely. looks like atleast 1 of them is bending backwards but the rest isnt bending back fast enough to respond correctly. hmmm.
Play the YT vid at 0.25 speed, they all press down against its back.
Quote from: Omegamorph on May 07, 2017, 12:35:57 PM
can anyone screencap this "weird CGI Alien running down the shaft" you guys are talking about? I can't see the clip since I am not in the UK
The youtube video on the main AvPG site isn't region locked. I'm not in the UK and I can watch it fine.
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Nothing wrong with it, watched at its slowest pace possible.
I'm sorry but the CGI looks terrible in this, really detracts from the horror/terror value, almost looks Alien: Resurrection level.
thanks, i checked it out like that too, it does fold back. good.
also; if anybody ever was still doubting that it's indeed walter and not david - walter has no emotions, so can't be scared.
david is highly emotional, and he gets scared af from the alien attacking the camera.
david8 confirmed,
Quote from: [BAM] Yojimbo on May 07, 2017, 01:01:05 PM
I'm sorry but the CGI looks terrible in this, really detracts from the horror/terror value, almost looks Alien: Resurrection level.
lol sure bud,
Quote from: cliffhanger on May 07, 2017, 01:01:47 PM
thanks, i checked it out like that too, it does fold back. good.
also; if anybody ever was still doubting that it's indeed walter and not david - walter has no emotions, so can't be scared.
david is highly emotional, and he gets scared af from the alien attacking the camera.
david8 confirmed,
Quote from: [BAM] Yojimbo on May 07, 2017, 01:01:05 PM
I'm sorry but the CGI looks terrible in this, really detracts from the horror/terror value, almost looks Alien: Resurrection level.
lol sure bud,
You're telling me you are happy with this level of CGI for a multi million high profile movie directed by one of the most talented directors of our generation, who is known for his practical use of props and stated numerous times he wants to limit the use of CGI?
Sure bud
the tubes on its back are simply going thu da floor. hate that they simply big brothered the alien, takes away the mystery it had if u show it in that way. moves way too fast imho. but glad they cut the shot of the xeno jumping thru the corridor.
The xenovision is lame. Again
The xeno movement is smooth
More high tech than the Nostromo...sorta odd.
Quote from: DendaReloaded on May 07, 2017, 01:08:36 PM
the tubes on its back are simply going thu da floor. hate that they simply big brothered the alien, takes away the mystery it had if u show it in that way. moves way too fast imho. but glad they cut the shot of the xeno jumping thru the corridor.
What they should of down is use practical model and just show the legs and tail disappearing down the hole, less is always more, the alien itself is no longer scary because we know exactly what it looks like head to toe, remember the clever camera use in the first movie?
Ridley still could of gone down that route.
It's doing its box alien thing.
Quote from: [BAM] Yojimbo on May 07, 2017, 01:07:40 PM
You're telling me you are happy with this level of CGI for a multi million high profile movie directed by one of the most talented directors of our generation, who is known for his practical use of props and stated numerous times he wants to limit the use of CGI?
Sure bud
Yes i am happy as there is nothing wrong with the CGi at all but a mental state of people's minds constantly looking for something to bash upon. There is literally zero wrong with the CGi, but people keep inventing stuff. You'll see how little impact the CGi actually has when you look at the box office results, as that will clearly show just how much bs people are talking that they're bothered by the CGI. if they were really that bothered, they'd not go and see or praise the movie.
funny how people think they're original complaining about what the rest of the flock has hated upon already, bud.
but hey, haters gonna hate huh.
Does this not raise the question why Mother could not track the xeno on the nostromo?
Quote from: TheBATMAN on May 07, 2017, 01:27:48 PM
Does this not raise the question why Mother could not track the xeno on the nostromo?
The Nostromo wasnt a private ship, it needed coins to dial in on extra's on the ship, if you wanted to take use of a tracker or a shower, you needed coins.
Quote from: Vermillion on May 07, 2017, 01:12:24 PM
The xenovision is lame. Again
The xeno movement is smooth
More high tech than the Nostromo...sorta odd.
Xenovision is pretty ok to be honest, though i would have preffered a different lens usage. I liked the way the runner alien 's vision was more 'wide angled'. at first i thought that the alien's vision was able to notice more heat/light/electricity coming off from the lighting, but then noticed it's the effect of the parapace on it's head having an effect on it. I think i would have preffered a tad more 'alien' vision compared to a very human vision. nevertheless, it doesn't bother me at all.
as for the more high tech?
well, what can you expect. nostromo was high-tech for the 70's. we've surpassed that technology too far to be able to maintain it.
What i do notice is that the technology is starting to look more like that of the nostromo if you carefully look at the covenant ship and lander's design.
also, different feats for different missions. I know people hate the 'theyre miners' mention but it is true. People still use tractors to do their crop harvesting, whilst we have high-tech autonomous electric vehicles on the highway.
we have tablet pc's and we still write on paper too.
Quote from: SiL on May 07, 2017, 12:49:15 PM
Quote from: Omegamorph on May 07, 2017, 12:35:57 PM
can anyone screencap this "weird CGI Alien running down the shaft" you guys are talking about? I can't see the clip since I am not in the UK
The youtube video on the main AvPG site isn't region locked. I'm not in the UK and I can watch it fine.
Thanks!
Just watched the clip and it looks fine to me.
Quote from: DendaReloaded on May 07, 2017, 01:08:36 PM
the tubes on its back are simply going thu da floor. hate that they simply big brothered the alien, takes away the mystery it had if u show it in that way. moves way too fast imho. but glad they cut the shot of the xeno jumping thru the corridor.
no they dont, they actually DO fold.
and how do people claim the jumping through corridor shot is cut. have they all seen it and confirmed it?
Man, that xeno really did a Michael Jackson glide towards that door huh.
I just realized the "xenovision" is effectively suppose to be normal vision filtered through the translucent dome of the Xeno. I wonder if
Spoiler
the Xeno,if truly being controlled by David as has been hinted, that this is David's perspective through the Xeno.
...its a tough pill to swallow if true.
I think the criticism regarding the CG is necessary, in my opinion. The xeno does seem to fade through the floor. It looks rushed. I doubt this will take me out of the film, but I'm intrigued to see if I notice any obvious rushed digital work in IMAX.
Biggest tube on Alien back didnt fold they went through the wall smaller ones did. I watched it on slow motion you can check it out (biggest one on left). I think thats why this scene was so fast but still it looks a little bit unnatural .:)
Quote from: xArchAngelx on May 07, 2017, 01:52:36 PM
Biggest tube on Alien back didnt fold they went through the wall smaller ones did. I watched it on slow motion you can check it out (biggest one on left). I think thats why this scene was so fast but still it looks a little bit unnatural .:)
Wonder it there is any chance this is older footage that got edited up later
Quote from: cucuchu on May 07, 2017, 02:08:46 PM
Wonder it there is any chance this is older footage that got edited up later
I bet it's old footage. No way they'd let that pass through post.
I hope it is older footage.
Maybe someone who has seen the film can comment on this? Did it look better in the film?
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checked again, it still looks like shit is just rendered lazily. u can see the lowest tube intersecting horizontally with the floor. the angle of them wasnt changing, which was what would happen during folding. not that it matters much, im just a bit disappointed at how its all handled. practical effects would suffice.
the alien vision is trash. the use of the screens also stuck me as weird. simply fullscreening a monitor in front of a camera feels quite video-gamish to me. in the end prometheus had quite good effects, trailers and tv spots aside. i wonder what will change/has changed with this one till release.
edit: also i dont like the physics in general. the way the tail moves for example. dont think ridley really gave a f**k abt it this time lol. still optimistic abt the whole movie tho
I'm kinda with you Denda. Of all the Covenant trailers I've seen where a creature was shown, this is the most disappointing/inferior.
And I'm not a complete cgi hater. I loved the water tentacle in The Abyss for example. The cgi in District 9 had weight and heft to it. We know the xeno can knock a person flying for dozens of meters - the cgi version here looks far too nimble to me. Even though it is graceful and stealthy it should still have weight and heft enough to pracitcally pull the ladder from its wall bolts, never mind a whole zillion gallon water tank in avp1.
Katherine Waterston is not fit to scrub Sigourney or Noomi's toilet the day after Cinco de Mayo!! ::) ::)
As a long-term fan and player of many video-games, I think that I can clearly say how good or bad PC graphics today exactly is, of course even the games are not about graphics at all, players always wanted the best visual experience, heart-breaking, photo-realistic quality and stuff like that, everyone want that. . and yet, still in the end, it's the gameplay that convince the player to play it or invest the time on it. Movies have totally different problems than games, in games. . every little thing is created by the computer graphics, because that is the only way how to create something in a virtual reality. Believe me, there is not much players that actualy rather prefer movie cinematic sequences in games instead of classic computer generated animations. It's reasonable. . if you want to play a game, I guess you should as a player got a game with full cgi animations and everything, but of course. . some of us could like the movie sequences rather than actual cgi ones, there are even these people. On the other hand, movies trying to do they job differently, actors and directors are trying to act as best as they can, so they can convince us about their roles in the story. What Im trying to say there is, movies are made in reality. . if the directors choose to made things in their movies realistically by using prosthetics, costumes and real mechanical toys, man. . it's their way how they try to convince us, and we should be glad for it. . because our eyes (or atleast my eyes) always recognize what is real or what is not real in the screen itself. So, if they try made the things without using the PC's, they made it practical. . and that is always in any way more believable than anything ever produced by the computer graphics. . the problem with computer effects is that most of the time they look too perfect, and that is not believable at all. Why it is like that? It's simple. . computer is trying to define or show something that is hard or near impossible to do in reality, the result is (in this case) almost perfect looking Alien doing perfect movement in the perfect ideal timing, with the perfect camera position, you know what I'm trying to say there? It is everythihg too perfect, and that is the reason why it is miles away from to be even real! I don't think that we see all the Aliens in the entire movie only like this, of course not. . dear god I hope for more prosthetics. But still, If there is a some good mix with both cgi and real costumes in this movie like they say. . it is clearly evident that it's not the case of this specific clip. I think that overall image quality of this clip is bad enough, so it can hurts the computer effects even more. Watching anything in lower quality made it worst, if you like movie and got the Blue-Ray version of it. . than you can judge.
Do we know when the naustromo was built? Maybe it's older then the covenant. It could be an 80 year old ship. In alien resurection, Ripley said the Betty was older then her so it can be assumed that the ships can last 100s of years.
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Quote from: Evanus on May 07, 2017, 03:02:59 PM
I hope it is older footage.
Maybe someone who has seen the film can comment on this? Did it look better in the film?
I doubt that is old footage. I wish every effect shot could look perfect, but I guess the budget can only stretch so far for certain shots.
Quote from: echobbase79 on May 07, 2017, 06:24:11 PM
Quote from: Evanus on May 07, 2017, 03:02:59 PM
I hope it is older footage.
Maybe someone who has seen the film can comment on this? Did it look better in the film?
I doubt that is old footage. I wish every effect shot could look perfect, but I guess the budget can only stretch so far for certain shots.
Yeah, you're probably right. I hope the rest looks better.
It's not about hope or their budget, they simply need to change it, repair it. . that is the right word for it. I can imagine that (not only) on some big TV screens it's gonna be even bigger disaster to see this (if it's still stay exactly same). Everyone should notice how badly the Alien tubes going through, there is no way this fault stay there. If they show us how the Alien use his tail in movement (ladder) than they simply can't forgot on his tubes. End of story.
I wish they would've made the shot shorter. We already get the idea that the Alien is going down the tunnel. I mean it's hilariously bad seeing the tubes just magically go through the floor like that.
I don't mind the vision mode either. Reminds me of Alien 3.
You cgi haters are funny. Like its going anywhere. Its in all of your favorite movies theses days and it has to be. Poor you
Quote from: Ragonk_Force on May 07, 2017, 07:04:17 PM
You cgi haters are funny. Like its going anywhere. Its in all of your favorite movies theses days and it has to be. Poor you
Not hating on CGI, but commenting on how that's just really stupid looking. And it is.
Quote from: echobbase79 on May 07, 2017, 07:05:59 PM
Quote from: Ragonk_Force on May 07, 2017, 07:04:17 PM
You cgi haters are funny. Like its going anywhere. Its in all of your favorite movies theses days and it has to be. Poor you
Not hating on CGI, but commenting on how that's just really stupid looking. And it is.
do you need a tissue?
Yes, thank you very much.
Nice a teabag. Even better.
Quote from: echobbase79 on May 07, 2017, 07:12:35 PM
Nice a teabag. Even better.
thats a heart mate, no hard feelings. the cg isnt that bad
My question is why do we have to see how the xeno is moving throughout to the ship? I would find it much more horrifying if the focus was entirely on Daniels and Tennessee while only hearing Walter describe where the xeno is heading. Add in some good sound effects then you have probably have an edge on your seat scenario.
Quote from: Ragonk_Force on May 07, 2017, 07:13:34 PM
Quote from: echobbase79 on May 07, 2017, 07:12:35 PM
Nice a teabag. Even better.
thats a heart mate, no hard feelings. the cg isnt that bad
That's fine. :)
You're right, it's not all that bad judging from the previews. There's some really good CGI shots in fact. :)
I'd like to ask if the shower segment work within the film or does it seem jarring and out of place,no one has mentioned it in reviews as good or bad.
Can anyone describe the bombing scene without spoiling? I havent seen it mentioned
Quote from: Hennex Forest on May 07, 2017, 07:15:58 PM
My question is why do we have to see how the xeno is moving throughout to the ship? I would find it much more horrifying if the focus was entirely on Daniels and Tennessee while only hearing Walter describe where the xeno is heading. Add in some good sound effects then you have probably have an edge on your seat scenario.
Exactly!
BTW I'm no cgi 'hater' but the fact half the alien just moves through the floor plate is like a bad PS4 game. Totally unacceptable and unnecessary as the above post suggests.
Quote from: Bonus Situation on May 07, 2017, 07:29:18 PM
Quote from: Hennex Forest on May 07, 2017, 07:15:58 PM
My question is why do we have to see how the xeno is moving throughout to the ship? I would find it much more horrifying if the focus was entirely on Daniels and Tennessee while only hearing Walter describe where the xeno is heading. Add in some good sound effects then you have probably have an edge on your seat scenario.
Exactly!
BTW I'm no cgi 'hater' but the fact half the alien just moves through the floor plate is like a bad PS4 game. Totally unacceptable and unnecessary as the above post suggests.
A bad ps4 game.. Really? And usually when someone says I'm not, but... You are..
The alien cgi looks unpolished in this clip, the back of the dorsals are definitely disappearing in the hull. Hopefully the movie released is polished or they just shorten the scene to adjust. Other than that, looks good!
Quote from: Bonus Situation on May 07, 2017, 07:29:18 PM
Quote from: Hennex Forest on May 07, 2017, 07:15:58 PM
My question is why do we have to see how the xeno is moving throughout to the ship? I would find it much more horrifying if the focus was entirely on Daniels and Tennessee while only hearing Walter describe where the xeno is heading. Add in some good sound effects then you have probably have an edge on your seat scenario.
Exactly!
BTW I'm no cgi 'hater' but the fact half the alien just moves through the floor plate is like a bad PS4 game. Totally unacceptable and unnecessary as the above post suggests.
I'm no CGI hater either. In fact, I consider myself more of a defender, but that shot of the xeno moving through the floor really does throw me off. Also when it comes to horror for me, less is more. It's more terrifying of having only an idea where the xeno is, rather than know exactly where it is and what it's doing. I say let the audience's imagination run wild, instead of constantly holding their hand.
All CGI talk aside is nobody gonna talk about the xeno and the camera. It knew exactly what it was and that Walter was using that exact camera to see it after he blocked the xeno's progress. I'm sorry I try to look at the best of everything I know everyone is dissapointed at the CGI in this clip.
This new xeno seems to be more feral or animalistic in it's behaviour though and it's good to see some intelligence akin to the hive cutting the power in aliens.
Any1 comment on the shower scene.
I guess its just a product of my childhood. I grew up in the 80's watching things like Clash of the Titans and Godzilla. You know its special fx, but I never let it taint my fantasy and even as a kid I understood that fx are a tool to tell the story. To me CG is like a godsend as far as movie watching goes, starting with Jurassic Park. Yes its a cgi alien, you can tell because a human cant move like that. But instead of bitch about it and look at it so negatively, why can some of you just accept it and appreciate it for what it is. Do you not suspend disbelief while watching a movie? The amount of work that goes into this kind of stuff is astounding, and should be appreciated.
Quote from: prototypeXIII on May 07, 2017, 07:39:14 PM
The alien cgi looks unpolished in this clip, the back of the dorsals are definitely disappearing in the hull. Hopefully the movie released is polished or they just shorten the scene to adjust. Other than that, looks good!
TBH it looked like this in the finished film. Unless they're tightening the CG up on its official release date but I very much doubt it now it's premiered.
Quote from: Hennex Forest on May 07, 2017, 07:15:58 PM
My question is why do we have to see how the xeno is moving throughout to the ship? I would find it much more horrifying if the focus was entirely on Daniels and Tennessee while only hearing Walter describe where the xeno is heading. Add in some good sound effects then you have probably have an edge on your seat scenario.
Though I really enjoyed a lot of the film, this is EXACTLY how I felt about this scene, I didn't want to see how it was getting around, just have the characters losing contact with where it is and then corridor doors opening with it bouncing across the walls...But they even cut that shot out, the MONEY shot! (If they reinsert it for a release date that would be great but they won't... and it's rather annoying that it's not in there)
Quote from: M_Tak on May 07, 2017, 08:00:49 PM
Quote from: prototypeXIII on May 07, 2017, 07:39:14 PM
The alien cgi looks unpolished in this clip, the back of the dorsals are definitely disappearing in the hull. Hopefully the movie released is polished or they just shorten the scene to adjust. Other than that, looks good!
TBH it looked like this in the finished film. Unless they're tightening the CG up on its official release date but I very much doubt it now it's premiered.
Quote from: Hennex Forest on May 07, 2017, 07:15:58 PM
My question is why do we have to see how the xeno is moving throughout to the ship? I would find it much more horrifying if the focus was entirely on Daniels and Tennessee while only hearing Walter describe where the xeno is heading. Add in some good sound effects then you have probably have an edge on your seat scenario.
Though I really enjoyed a lot of the film, this is EXACTLY how I felt about this scene, I didn't want to see how it was getting around, just have the characters losing contact with where it is and then corridor doors opening with it bouncing across the walls...But they even cut that shot out, the MONEY shot! (If they reinsert it for a release date that would be great but they won't... and it's rather annoying that it's not in there)
Which was a very good CGI shot!
So, just only because it is cgi we need to act like it's untouchable god's work or what? Every thing need it's criticism, it helps to do things better for next time, only if someone actually see it and think about it. But the fact is, that prosthetics should never cause a similar problem with the Alien tubes like this, right? Ok, then why do it harder by showing us how elegant Alien is, even when he descending from ladder by using cgi effects? I mean, cgi should help to provide something that is normally impossible to do, not to cause additional problems, and that is my personal reason why i hate this specific clip, not the entire movie. By the way, I play games and watch movies in Blue-Ray quality, so I demand cgi that has a balls for that, some of us seen this clip on their small screens, is there anyone who can imagine this fault in big screen? Like I can't understand why the same fault with tubes end in the final version, this is beyond me.
Want to see some shit cgi? Watch Spawn and take a look at the hell sequences with Malebogia. :laugh:
Quote from: M_Tak on May 07, 2017, 08:00:49 PM
Quote from: prototypeXIII on May 07, 2017, 07:39:14 PM
The alien cgi looks unpolished in this clip, the back of the dorsals are definitely disappearing in the hull. Hopefully the movie released is polished or they just shorten the scene to adjust. Other than that, looks good!
TBH it looked like this in the finished film. Unless they're tightening the CG up on its official release date but I very much doubt it now it's premiered.
Quote from: Hennex Forest on May 07, 2017, 07:15:58 PM
My question is why do we have to see how the xeno is moving throughout to the ship? I would find it much more horrifying if the focus was entirely on Daniels and Tennessee while only hearing Walter describe where the xeno is heading. Add in some good sound effects then you have probably have an edge on your seat scenario.
Though I really enjoyed a lot of the film, this is EXACTLY how I felt about this scene, I didn't want to see how it was getting around, just have the characters losing contact with where it is and then corridor doors opening with it bouncing across the walls...But they even cut that shot out, the MONEY shot! (If they reinsert it for a release date that would be great but they won't... and it's rather annoying that it's not in there)
What is it lately with cutting out the cool trailer shots (TFA, Rogue One come to mind).
What about actually showing what you (excessively) advertise?
Quote from: newagescamartist on May 08, 2017, 12:05:16 AM
Want to see some shit cgi? Watch Spawn and take a look at the hell sequences with Malebogia. :laugh:
Yeah, they shouldn't have gone to hell in that movie. Terrible, terrible, CGI.
Quote from: newagescamartist on May 08, 2017, 12:05:16 AM
Want to see some shit cgi? Watch Spawn and take a look at the hell sequences with Malebogia. :laugh:
exactly. Or anything in MK or MK2
I kinda agree. When u was Yong their were always effects that looked bad in movies but you overlooked it because there was no better way to do it, think of how better alien 3 would have looked if they had this alien instead of the blue screen rod puppet, or even just been able to blend it with the background better.
Quote from: Ragonk_Force on May 08, 2017, 12:28:33 AM
Quote from: newagescamartist on May 08, 2017, 12:05:16 AM
Want to see some shit cgi? Watch Spawn and take a look at the hell sequences with Malebogia. :laugh:
exactly. Or anything in MK or MK2
Liu Kang's animality:
:D
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Frq87.flyingomelette.com%2FRQ%2FC%2FMKA%2F4%2F47.jpg&hash=8c441bf53020c61d649a5819e08bb93e7571d5d2)
Quote from: echobbase79 on May 08, 2017, 12:56:52 AM
Quote from: Ragonk_Force on May 08, 2017, 12:28:33 AM
Quote from: newagescamartist on May 08, 2017, 12:05:16 AM
Want to see some shit cgi? Watch Spawn and take a look at the hell sequences with Malebogia. :laugh:
exactly. Or anything in MK or MK2
Liu Kang's animality:
:D
http://rq87.flyingomelette.com/RQ/C/MKA/4/47.jpg
Mother of god
Quote from: bobcunk on May 08, 2017, 12:53:40 AM
I kinda agree. When u was Yong their were always effects that looked bad in movies but you overlooked it because there was no better way to do it, think of how better alien 3 would have looked if they had this alien instead of the blue screen rod puppet, or even just been able to blend it with the background better.
I like those effects of the alien, it makes it look scarier. CGI has killed horror because it makes everything look too perfect.
Alien Runner prefers CGI over ALIEN suit. The suit looks fake. Looks plastic and like a power ranger. He could see a human wearing it for halloween scaring the Nostromo crew. Glad Ridley Scott made the alien move on all 4s and behave more primal because we can do that now. He wanted it to be that way but back then, technology wasn't advanced enough. Now it is. Embrace change. Embrace progress.
The man in suit effects for Alien 3 were pretty good, though. Big Chap looks cool but moves awkwardly. The warriors in Aliens relied on quick cuts and poor lighting.
Yes/ I only meant the running scenes.
Aliens know when a camera is watching them. Hmm...
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on May 08, 2017, 03:58:43 AM
Aliens know when a camera is watching them. Hmm...
Not bad for only a few hours old. And people say aliens are just mindless bugs.
This clip is shockingly bad. Like video game level bad.
Worst piece from the marketing campaing so far for me.
Quote from: Scorpio on May 08, 2017, 04:09:30 AM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on May 08, 2017, 03:58:43 AM
Aliens know when a camera is watching them. Hmm...
Not bad for only a few hours old. And people say aliens are just mindless bugs.
I like it. It's that alien esp. I liked how it had to go out of it's way and use it's little alien mouth to taunt
Spoiler
David... I mean Walter.
Well I know what I mean. Although I guess that scene also answered another of life's pondering questions. Do machines experience fear?
That was fun. Bad choice showing so much of the creature, (Isolation tribute) but fun none the less. So it can see like humans and light doesn't bother it? It doesn't care if the prey hears it banging around? No vents or attempts to stay hidden? I just don't see the Alien as an organism prone to loudly rumbling through open Hallways with the lights on. I had to severely suspend belief when playing Isolation because of this (masterpiece though it is). I know it's supposed to be an early version of the Xeno but, c'mon Ridley. Dallas's death in the original film and novelization are both good examples of how you do it. I just get the feeling this kind of thing is done to cater to the modern audience who wants to see everything all the time. Jaws, Alien 1979, Godzilla 2014. Masterpieces all, and for a reason.
Quote from: Huggs on May 08, 2017, 05:40:30 AM
That was fun. Bad choice showing so much of the creature, (Isolation tribute) but fun none the less. So it can see like humans and light doesn't bother it? It doesn't care if the prey hears it banging around? No vents or attempts to stay hidden? I just don't see the Alien as an organism prone to loudly rumbling through open Hallways with the lights on. I had to severely suspend belief when playing Isolation because of this (masterpiece though it is). I know it's supposed to be an early version of the Xeno but, c'mon Ridley. Dallas's death in the original film and novelization are both good examples of how you do it. I just get the feeling this kind of thing is done to cater to the modern audience who wants to see everything all the time. Jaws, Alien 1979, Godzilla 2014. Masterpieces all, and for a reason.
Godzilla 2014 a masterpiece? Do people really think that? The human element was pathetic, and Godzilla was kind of meh. Maybe I'm completely alone in that perspective.
Not sure how anyone can defend that CGI. The quality is up for debate but the execution is unacceptable for any film. The quality of CGI in any film new or old isn't a big factor for me but even in the original Clash of the Titans you didn't have Medusa accidentally moving through walls due to the sloppiness of the puppeteers / VX team. So surprised this shot even made it out there.
Quote from: newagescamartist on May 08, 2017, 07:05:09 AM
Quote from: Huggs on May 08, 2017, 05:40:30 AM
That was fun. Bad choice showing so much of the creature, (Isolation tribute) but fun none the less. So it can see like humans and light doesn't bother it? It doesn't care if the prey hears it banging around? No vents or attempts to stay hidden? I just don't see the Alien as an organism prone to loudly rumbling through open Hallways with the lights on. I had to severely suspend belief when playing Isolation because of this (masterpiece though it is). I know it's supposed to be an early version of the Xeno but, c'mon Ridley. Dallas's death in the original film and novelization are both good examples of how you do it. I just get the feeling this kind of thing is done to cater to the modern audience who wants to see everything all the time. Jaws, Alien 1979, Godzilla 2014. Masterpieces all, and for a reason.
Godzilla 2014 a masterpiece? Do people really think that? The human element was pathetic, and Godzilla was kind of meh. Maybe I'm completely alone in that perspective.
Humans are fragile and weak when faced with a god. So the human element was meant to be pathetic. I thought Godzilla 2014 played it very well indeed. Of course people have become accustomed to superhuman feats and beings; maybe a plain old giant radioactive lizard doesn't cut it anymore.
They should put an Alien Isolation creature instead of this. I think animation is really bad and it feels somehow... I don't know... artificial? Out of place? There is something wrong with it. Just compare it with the dinosaurs in last Jurassic Park. Hell! Compare it with the first one.
Scary to think this is what Ridley initially wanted with his Xenomorph (in Alien) had they had the digital equipment in the (late) 70's.
Noooooo! What the heck was that? That alien just looks terrible.
And since when do androids jump? David didn't jump in Prometheus when the engineer's head exploded.
Perhaps it would have been better if like some suggested, you only saw a limb or tail disappearing down the ladderwalk. Watching it "prance about" like a puppy dog that just dashed into a dead-end alley is very offputting.
I suppose they could have even salvaged that scene by not being so closeup or dirtying up the image to mask a poor job at cgi. Anything surely would be better than currently.
Dose anyone else think the shot at the end with the alien bite the camera looks like the cover art for the video game "alien breed " and that was a copy off alien
I suppose it's CGI working against the filmmaker. In Alien and Aliens, they had to work hard at disguising the fact that you were looking at a man in a rubber suit. Apart from the final reveal in Alien, it was hard to tell what you were looking at and even harder to distinguish how it moved. That was why it was so "alien". Now, with CGI, it's like they've forgotten the old 'less is more' adage.
Quote from: Rudiger on May 08, 2017, 06:29:40 PM
I suppose it's CGI working against the filmmaker. In Alien and Aliens, they had to work hard at disguising the fact that you were looking at a man in a rubber suit. Apart from the final reveal in Alien, it was hard to tell what you were looking at and even harder to distinguish how it moved. That was why it was so "alien". Now, with CGI, it's like they've forgotten the old 'less is more' adage.
I really just think Ridley is more confident in the technology. If he utilised this technology back in '79 then Alien would also be very different to what we're used to. Obviously, the sloppiness of the CGI is no excuse. I'm hoping it's fixed for general release.
At the right bottom of Walters monitor - is that a small Philips Logo ?
Quote from: SiL on May 07, 2017, 12:21:02 PM
That POV shot is so, so lazy. It's not even fish eye. It's just a regular perspective shot, slightly higher off the ground, with an overlay you can make in 3 minutes in After Effects. Doesn't add anything, doesn't achieve anything; would've been better left on the cutting room floor.
That indeed look like a a simple After Effects overlay shots :D
Not sure how it plays in the film but it doesn't add anything to the clip there.
Does the shower scene work,anybody.
What's going on with the ALIEN around the 0:09 second point in the clip--it looks like the CGI ALIEN has magically disolved its back bones through the floor plates, not through the hatch opening but through the actual floor metal plates--not cool, not good at all!
What made A L I E N so awesome (creature related) was that we never really saw the beast in the fashion we now do in the latest film. Thank God the shark in JAWS never worked--a great lesson to be re-learned in todays cinema- ???
I'm dumbfounded how Fox Studios and Ridley Scott could've allowed the CGI Alien's tubes to clip through the floor at the 0:08 mark. I just... no. Dammit, it's just so sloppy and unprofessional. It's not the kind of quality I expect from someone of the likes of Ridley Scott. Absolutely unacceptable. :-/
Also, Walter wincing when the Alien snapped at the camera was extremely unusual given he's a droid. Is he reprogrammed with more human-like emotions and functionality at some point in the film? ???
Quote from: Bio Mech Hunter on May 09, 2017, 01:24:13 AM
Also, Walter wincing when the Alien snapped at the camera was extremely unusual given he's a droid. Is he reprogrammed with more human-like emotions and functionality at some point in the film? ???
Spoiler
It is David pretending to be Walter. And about the human emotions:
Elephant in the room, how the hell does the alien know WTF a camera is to even snap at????
Hahahahaha
This clip is laughably bad. ::)
Quote from: Common Sense on May 09, 2017, 01:38:06 AM
Elephant in the room, how the hell does the alien know WTF a camera is to even snap at????
This^^^
Quote from: Common Sense on May 09, 2017, 01:38:06 AM
Elephant in the room, how the hell does the alien know WTF a camera is to even snap at????
They learn and adapt. At least that's how I make sense of it.
Come on man....This is the shit that ruins movies. Dont write that garbage in there lol if you had never saw a Camera before , you would just think it was part of the structure. So the alien knows somebody is on the other end of the Camera??? Thats just dumb
Oh come on guys, the CGI isn't that bad.
*watches clip again*
OMGWAT :-\ :-\ ??? >:(
Quote from: echobbase79 on May 09, 2017, 03:38:33 AM
Quote from: Common Sense on May 09, 2017, 01:38:06 AM
Elephant in the room, how the hell does the alien know WTF a camera is to even snap at????
They learn and adapt. At least that's how I make sense of it.
Yea I'm sure that the alien has enough sense to realize that something or someone is foiling his plans on murdering the crew. Oh what is that odd thing on the ceiling... it's all instinct baby.
Quote from: Common Sense on May 09, 2017, 01:38:06 AM
Elephant in the room, how the hell does the alien know WTF a camera is to even snap at????
Thats what the xeno thought, how in the hell did they know i was running through this corridor with my ultra silent paws,
so its a display of its intelligence, and besides that maybe the camera moved and made a little bit of sound.
Apart from the bad CGI I just hate how the Alien moves towards that door. It appears to move on rails while it was so damn sneaky crawling through that went. And why does it have its tail proned like a scorpion? goddamn, that clip is terribly bad and might be the only bad shot I have seen so far of this movie.
Quote from: Common Sense on May 09, 2017, 04:41:11 AM
Come on man....This is the shit that ruins movies. Dont write that garbage in there lol if you had never saw a Camera before , you would just think it was part of the structure. So the alien knows somebody is on the other end of the Camera??? Thats just dumb
I'll have to watch the full scene, but the Alien has been on the ship at that point for a good bit of time I think. So it might have learned the structures of the ship. Like I said it can learn and adapt. Now if you think it's stupid, that's subjective. I think it's pretty cool that the Alien can figure things out. And it can see judging from the POV shots that we've seen in this particular moment so I'm sure it sees Walter.
Spoiler
Wait, so it IS David and not Walter in this clip?
This is a bit like the Audi product placement promo, but in this case I cannot spot the product.
In another thread it's confirmed 'this' is in the movie but surely not in this form???
Quote from: Bio Mech Hunter on May 10, 2017, 02:34:39 AM
Spoiler
Wait, so it IS David and not Walter in this clip?
Spoiler tags man!
Spoiler
But yeah, probably.
Quote from: dlb on May 09, 2017, 07:29:43 AM
Apart from the bad CGI I just hate how the Alien moves towards that door. It appears to move on rails while it was so damn sneaky crawling through that went. And why does it have its tail proned like a scorpion?
It looked like it was sliding along the floor, like it was trying to stop to avoid slamming into the closing doors. That would also explain why the tail was whipped forward all scorpiony.
Just got back from seeing the movie. I was truly appalled at the low quality of some of the effects ie cgi.
It was as if they had run out of sfx budget and had to do some of these cgi pieces on the cheap. Oh well!
Did it really look that bad? :(
I noticed in my second viewing when the Xeno climbs down the ladder (in this clip) the tubes on its back actually fold and bend, they don't just go through the metal floor like it looks to do here.
I hope for the home video release they go back and touch up some of the effects. From the trailers, everything I've seen looks good, but that clip with the Aliens tubes going through the floor just irritates me. Maybe I shouldn't be so picky, but little things like that can take you out of a scene.
Quote from: M_Tak on May 11, 2017, 10:29:57 PM
I noticed in my second viewing when the Xeno climbs down the ladder (in this clip) the tubes on its back actually fold and bend, they don't just go through the metal floor it looks like here.
Good deal! :)
So disappointed that this scene wasn't fixed. Ghost xeno confirmed. Come on Ridley.
. .i never noticed the tubes going thrue the floor. .will have to watch again. .i loved how it uses it's tail on the ladder. .alien looks very sleek to me. .dunno why the cg is getting so much hatred. On the other hand. .i don't want them tubes going thrue the floor. .will go have a look see again. .only downloaded that bit last night. .
It's pretty clear that the tubes bend and don't go through the floor.
cool. .no tube issues then!
To everyone worried about the back tubes going through the floor, I'm happy to confirm this does not happen in the final film. The tubes clearly fold back as it crawls into the hole. (Saw the film last night)
Ye of little faith
Per this post I just made, I'm happy to report that they fixed the effect in the home video version!: http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=58641.0