I would want something new and fresh. Something with a minimal connection to any Alien, Predator or AVP movie. They should not have the Weyland Yutani corp. involved. I honestly think they need to look into Stephen Perry's writtings. The way he tells every persons point of view makes for charactors that you can honestly relate to. When you have people you can relate to then you feel more of what they are going through. If you have not read Aliens Vs Predator : PREY then you really need to. I highly recomend it. ;D
I want an avp movie set on different planet with no HUMANS.
Or with humans set in future. I guess you have to have humans.. So future.
Definitely a future setting with Colonial Marines.
I'd like it to be set in the future, on a space-ship or something and based after the events of Alien Resurrection. There would only be one Alien and one Predator.
(You're going a little off topic with these posts :-\)
I'd like to see how predators capture an alien queen, a nice long tactical fight with a bunch of predators tearing down an alien nest.
I like that ALIEN queen idea.
I want a f**king apology.
Well, I doubt we'll get Alien 5 so let's see more of the Jockeys. I can't think of anywhere else that the series hasn't already covered before. We've already had aliens on spaceships, aliens overrunning a colony and a single alien being a threat because there are no guns. The only difference would be if you add a predator as well.
Quote from: Pvt. Hicks on Jun 06, 2007, 10:48:32 PM
Well, didn't Alien Resurrection prove Earth survived past colonies?
How do you mean? As in it should be set on earth?
Capitalism, mainly. Tourism, real estate, etc.. Plus, the population would have increased significantly since then.
Suck.
QuoteI want a f**king apology.
Yeah that'd probably be my wish too.
Failing that, anything that doesn't f**k with the Alien film continuity is fine by me.
Quote from: Pvt. Hicks on Jun 06, 2007, 11:22:49 PM
Seriously, it would be an act of God if they gave AvP 3 to Brothers Strause with complete creative control and a huge budget.
For all you know it could turn into the worst flop ever made. At least wait until they've released this film before singing their praises for another.
I want it to be on a drfferent planet so the aliens can win.
in space...with colonial marines...is that so much to ask?
Space. Marines. Smart Aliens. All varients of Aliens. Jungle.
Quote from: sothur on Jun 06, 2007, 09:36:44 PM
I'd like to see how predators capture an alien queen, a nice long tactical fight with a bunch of predators tearing down an alien nest.
Why would they be so inefficient when they could simply get a host impregnated and then just retrieve that? :)
The Colonial Marines have the same problem as the present setting does. We know they were replaced with the inept 'United Systems Military'. If you see the Colonial Marines in it as characters (if they're even depicted in a realistic way), then you know the humans are still going to survive and the represented outbreak will be something most people have no idea about.
Quote from: SiL on Jun 07, 2007, 12:56:11 AM
Quote from: Pvt. Hicks on Jun 06, 2007, 11:22:49 PM
Seriously, it would be an act of God if they gave AvP 3 to Brothers Strause with complete creative control and a huge budget.
For all you know it could turn into the worst flop ever made. At least wait until they've released this film before singing their praises for another.
Spot on. Just because someone tells you its going back to basics, does not make it a good thing.
People are getting hyped for this because of their attachment to the brothers, with the posts on the forums.
You can bet your house, if they were not on here, you'd be bitching so hard you give birth to a chestbuster ;) (think about it, we've had 3 pictures)
Yes, it could be a flop. However, the marketing isn't anything to do with the brothers, but Fox. And the fact that Colin is giving us information about the film, the majority of which sounds very good, gives people a lot of incentive to think it is going to be a good film. I'm not saying it will be, but barring the budget, one could say a lot is pointing in the right direction.
Very true and I have the respect for Colin, because sometimes it seems like he is single handidly keeping this thing going. But he should'nt have to, Fox should at least have a teaser site up by now, or at least a poster.
Also remember the same fan boy Hysteria when Anderson mentioned "bigger cannons" and "throwing stars" (including myself)
The trailer will hopefully give us at least an small idea of what were in for.
QuoteVery true and I have the respect for Colin, because sometimes it seems like he is single handidly keeping this thing going. But he should'nt have to, Fox should at least have a teaser site up by now, or at least a poster.
True, but you were saying people would be bitching if the brothers weren't here, when in fact the brothers aren't to blame, Fox are.
QuoteAlso remember the same fan boy Hysteria when Anderson mentioned "bigger cannons" and "throwing stars" (including myself)
True, but I think we've all learnt from that now. Proof of that is that Colin is being asked is he using the original canon, wristblades etc.
QuoteThe trailer will hopefully give us at least an small idea of what were in for.
Hopefully. The first AvP trailer didn't reveal much at all, just got everyone's hopes up. As its been so long now, and it won't be till Comic-Con that we'll get the teaser, it should reveal more.
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Jun 07, 2007, 10:55:37 AM
Quote from: sothur on Jun 06, 2007, 09:36:44 PM
I'd like to see how predators capture an alien queen, a nice long tactical fight with a bunch of predators tearing down an alien nest.
Why would they be so inefficient when they could simply get a host impregnated and then just retrieve that? :)
To tell the truth, I've read that in an unofficial AvP book a long time ago, where the captured alien queen was a valuable heritage of the ancestors. It was a cool moment. :)
A space setting might work for an alien vs predator budget, even if you the same budget as an avp movie.
You don´t need to be in space all the time you can set it in a colony, shoot it on different locations on earth.:) You could use a similar story as requiem, a pred-ship loaded with aliens crashlands outside a colony. The rest of the movie takes place on the planet, then maybe the last 3-4 minutes in space again. Its basically the same thing, maybe you need to create some cool sci fi gadgets and weapons for the colony and make some miniature stuff. They had miniature stuff in the first avp. Helicopter, the snow vehicles. Whaling station. The exterior pyramid!
Or just follow the comicbook, with Predators planting aliens on a planet to hunt. I would love to see that, not just for having it in space. But having it in the future, you can create alot of cool technology.
But i know Colin and Gregg are doing the best of the situation and i understand that fox is forcing the earth setting. I think the trailer for Requiem is awesome, the trailer alone is much better then the first film!
Btw. Im a director myself, work in sweden. Make lowbudget independent films.:) I made my own little predator homage film a couple of years ago, a vietnam war film with werewolves. You can se the trailer on youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxqGE9vXFzM
/Ola
I think the brothers already thought of this for the sequel. They wanted the movie in space in their first pitch.:)
Maybe we can come up with some cool ideas and post them in the forum, give them some inspiration if a sequel now gets made. Which i really hope that there will be one! In space.
Im pretty certain, even though the bros are taking a break from posting on the forum. They probably secretly read the forum and maybe they also are planning ideas for avp 3.
There are lots of other cool variations and stories, predator planet! Ive always imagined the predator planet to be like a big rainforrest, a high tech civilisation that at the same time feels primitive and scary.
Maybe show a neighbour ICE planet, where the predators from avp 1 are, living in pyramids. Just to show that they are a different species of predator, just like chimps and gorillas are not alike.
I hope the Bros don't return for another sequel. Nothing personal, just a statement of principal.
If you do a space Aliens vs Predator it needs to be big budget to sell the world they're trying to create.
Quote from: SiL on Aug 29, 2007, 09:31:37 PM
I hope the Bros don't return for another sequel. Nothing personal, just a statement of principal.
::)
Quote from: SiL on Aug 29, 2007, 09:31:37 PM
I hope the Bros don't return for another sequel. Nothing personal, just a statement of principal.
why not...they seem to be doing really well with a low budget...they might do even better with a bigger budget
I think it would be great if they returned for another sequel, just like i think it would have been if James Cameron had made alien 3. I think its more important to see a good movie then have different directors for every movie.
Colin and Gregg seem to be the right choice for the franchise, they are fans. Going back to the roots! :) They communicate with the fanbase! How many directors do that, some do, but it seems to be only through their own websites, not fansites.:) If they continue working on the franchise and writing on the forums, then it might give a opportunity for us fans to give feedback on avp-r and tell them what we want to see next time, and maybe if they like our ideas it will be in the movie.
I dunno if it could be possible if fox hires some other director.
Quote from: pred_alien on Aug 29, 2007, 09:41:39 PM
why not...they seem to be doing really well with a low budget...they might do even better with a bigger budget
Because, every movie in both franchises has had a different director to put a new take on the movie. I for one like that.
Quote from: Fitzley on Aug 29, 2007, 09:51:53 PM
Quote from: pred_alien on Aug 29, 2007, 09:41:39 PM
why not...they seem to be doing really well with a low budget...they might do even better with a bigger budget
Because, every movie in both franchises has had a different director to put a new take on the movie. I for one like that.
Mm.:) But you never know what could happen if they get another director, just look back at the latest alien movies. Like i said before, what if James Cameron had been chosen to direct Alien 3.
We could have gotten more future military and a realistic sci fi with Ripley maybe finally getting revenge on the whole Alien species or some more fitting finale to her story, instead Ripley killed herself and got cloned and it just went downhill.
Nobody seems to be opposing the idea for a Ridley Scott and James Cameron comeback for Alien 5, so why not the same directors twice for the avp franchise?
I would oppose it and you assume that everybody hates the third movie...they don't. It was a fitting end to Ripley and not everyone wanted to see Cameron's Ripley/Hicks/Newt family story and Aliens part 2.
Well, I don't know if you guys have seen Sunshine, but I believe the budget for that one was 40 million, ...AVP1 had a 60 million budget, and I know AVPR had a lower budget arond 40 I believe.
so I really think it can be done, they just need to convince Fox to do it!
Quote from: Fitzley on Aug 29, 2007, 10:14:09 PM
I would oppose it and you assume that everybody hates the third movie...they don't. It was a fitting end to Ripley and not everyone wanted to see Cameron's Ripley/Hicks/Newt family story and Aliens part 2.
I dont think it would have become a Aliens Part 2 if Cameron would have made it. What he did so great with aliens was that he added new elements to the story, Queen, military etc. Im sure he would have done the same thing with Alien 3 if he had made it. :)
Instead we got Alien 1 again with a unfinished script, i think the movie is fine. Its scary and the Alien looks great. But i think they could have made a much more unique film.
Sigourney Weaver wanted the character to die anyway, but would it been better if she died somewhere else then on a prison planet. What if? It was on the Alien homeworld, she dies at the end sacrificing herself while killing the aliens preventing them to get in the hands of WY-corp or something. It would be heroic and tragic. Much more satisfying, to me atleast.:)
I thought it was pretty boring to kill Hicks and Newt at the start of the film also. The sequel comic book is much better, with Hicks becoming like a war veteran in a future city.
No director, directors have ever come back to do a sequel in the alien or predator franchises. If AVP-R turns out to be a great movie i wouldnt mind the bros coming back. But then again each movie has a different tone to it which is what makes the francises go great. Either way AVP3 must be set in space.
Quote from: Ola Paulakoski on Aug 29, 2007, 10:23:20 PM
I dont think it would have become a Aliens Part 2 if Cameron would have made it. What he did so great with aliens was that he added new elements to the story, Queen, military etc. Im sure he would have done the same thing with Alien 3 if he had made it. :)
Yet
Alien3 did new things ... and people bitch about it. It's nothing like
alien outside the fact it's one Alien and unarmed humans - Is that
all people think when they think about the two movies? Does nothing else factor in, or does everyone get so caught up on the fact there aren't as many Aliens or guns?
Quote from: SiL on Aug 29, 2007, 10:31:28 PM
Quote from: Ola Paulakoski on Aug 29, 2007, 10:23:20 PM
I dont think it would have become a Aliens Part 2 if Cameron would have made it. What he did so great with aliens was that he added new elements to the story, Queen, military etc. Im sure he would have done the same thing with Alien 3 if he had made it. :)
Yet Alien3 did new things ... and people bitch about it. It's nothing like alien outside the fact it's one Alien and unarmed humans - Is that all people think when they think about the two movies? Does nothing else factor in, or does everyone get so caught up on the fact there aren't as many Aliens or guns?
When I think of the two movies I see how one story ended and another one began. I don't hold anything against A3, never did. I always loved it to be honest, even the theatrical cut of the movie works good.
I'm glad they didn't have guns because it made the stakes much higher. The whole thing played out like it should have. It was supposed the end of that series and I wish it still were.
Quote from: SiL on Aug 29, 2007, 10:31:28 PM
Quote from: Ola Paulakoski on Aug 29, 2007, 10:23:20 PM
I dont think it would have become a Aliens Part 2 if Cameron would have made it. What he did so great with aliens was that he added new elements to the story, Queen, military etc. Im sure he would have done the same thing with Alien 3 if he had made it. :)
Yet Alien3 did new things ... and people bitch about it. It's nothing like alien outside the fact it's one Alien and unarmed humans - Is that all people think when they think about the two movies? Does nothing else factor in, or does everyone get so caught up on the fact there aren't as many Aliens or guns?
Ill be honest, i would love to see more guns and more aliens! :)
But i also mean that the possibilities were for other new stuff.. endless. Alien 3 just feels a little uncreative on the sci fi side, in a science fiction its also fun to theorise about future technology. For example like the powerloader in Aliens and cryo sleep in alien, and of course all the military technology. ;)
Alien 3 has none of that, just people running around corridors. Its just a monstermovie, but not the sci fi. Which makes the 2 first films better and more fun and it was something to talk about and not just about the aliens.
The same thing with the story, they could have tried to explain where the aliens come from and the space jockey. I know they talked about it on the quad dvds.:) I hope they do it someday, would have been nicer if it was in the past, before Ripley killed herself.
http://www.simplyscripts.com/cgi-bin/search.pl?search=alien+3&method=exact
Have fun.
Quote from: Ola Paulakoski on Aug 29, 2007, 08:33:59 PM
A space setting might work for an alien vs predator budget, even if you the same budget as an avp movie.
You don´t need to be in space all the time you can set it in a colony, shoot it on different locations on earth.:) You could use a similar story as requiem, a pred-ship loaded with aliens crashlands outside a colony. The rest of the movie takes place on the planet, then maybe the last 3-4 minutes in space again. Its basically the same thing, maybe you need to create some cool sci fi gadgets and weapons for the colony and make some miniature stuff. They had miniature stuff in the first avp. Helicopter, the snow vehicles. Whaling station. The exterior pyramid!
Or just follow the comicbook, with Predators planting aliens on a planet to hunt. I would love to see that, not just for having it in space. But having it in the future, you can create alot of cool technology.
Co-signed! Alien, Aliens and Terminator's budget equaled the cost of Arnold's T2 trailer. They dont need 60 million to do it. It doesnt have to be a CG-fest to be good. I dont like alot of CG anyways. They can save alot of money by using miniatures and force perspective. Some CG will be needed for the Alien though.
QuoteBut i know Colin and Gregg are doing the best of the situation and i understand that fox is forcing the earth setting. I think the trailer for Requiem is awesome, the trailer alone is much better then the first film!
Actually, John Davis the Producer is the one thats been insisting the movies be set on Earth. The only reason he chose Anderson to direct AVP was becouse he was the only one out of 45 writers with a script set on Earth.
<Alien 3 just feels a little uncreative>
That's because they never had a damn script to work with. they were writing and rewriting that damn thing over and over again. They shoot scenes and then discard them. I don't think it was lack of being creative than just not being well prepared.
Quote from: SiL on Aug 29, 2007, 10:49:26 PM
http://www.simplyscripts.com/cgi-bin/search.pl?search=alien+3&method=exact
Have fun.
Oh cool! Thanks. Il be back in a week then. Ha ha.:)
Have you read all of them?
Yes. And they're all shit, except for the shooting script.
Yet Alien3 did new things ... and people bitch about it.
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Just like You do aganist AvPR!
well thats what every one wants, it in space, so hopefully it will be. and as for the strause's coming back to film avp3 one will have to judge when we watch avp-r :)
Quote from: csutkakoma on Aug 29, 2007, 10:58:59 PM
Just like You do aganist AvPR!
Do you hear me saying "
Aliens is so awesome because it added new things but
Alien3 is just a rehash, woe"? No. Totally different circumstance, bud.
Hello!!
I do not know if a topic as it exists déja if a topic exists deja to drop this topic ;).....put your proposition for the scenario of avp3!!!
Space - but Alien and Aliens show that is necessary having a planet .... for action purposes ...
So a scenario could be a hostile planet like LV-426 , but with some jungle to our fellow Pred does what he knows best : hunting humans.
No kids and teenagers - only soldiers , some scary and unmercy aliens and 2 predators that chose the planet to hunt aliens and take the chance to kick the humans asses ... hehe
In the end , few humans survive , some aliens survive and the preds survive as well .... no more "only humans survive" this time !!
You would like a bad blood in avp 3 or to predator 3?
a scenario like avp2 game
I would love to see a AVP movie take place on Fiorina 'Fury' 161.
and AVP movie on the planet where 'Pitch Black' took place
I would say the planet Ryushi... an onscreen adaptation of the original AvP comic.
-Rakai'Thwei
And it is necessary to find a means so that aliens results from human hotes...
Avp2 pc game story.
Starts on a secret testing facility on random planet. Due to events the humans are well aware of the pred threat and have manage to capture a predator. Scientists due tests on aliens and pred which leads into having surgically altered pred. Aliens escape and unleash hell then pred escapes. The entire faciltity is shut down due to pred and aliens make a hive and pred recovers his equipment. Army sends a bunch of Soldiers to what is a unchartered planet to find survivors and recover valuable info. Eventually the preds would send like five or six different preds to kill the main pred who is basically a bad blood. This of course would be the last avp movie and would be like 2 hrs and 40 mins long. It would cost upward of like 100 mil though so prolly never gonna happen
I would love to see a bunch of different preds though like one wearing alien skin to cover his armor or something.
I'd like to see a movie version of "Prey" as close to the book as possible. The main Pred was awesome. And don't cut out the last scene with the new Preds.
After the events of AVPR, a meteor hits the moon and forms a new planet. Weyland-Yutani researches the planet and find that the metal in the meteor is also in the Predator weapons. The predators need this planet for the ultimate ritual, alien and human hunting. To ready the planet the predators send 2 preds to the planet to set up 11 alien eggs and humans so they can hunt.
Weyland-Yutani continues their research and find that the bio weapons orgamism is also on the planet, the alien. With that in mind, Weyland-Yutani sends 14 people to the planet to capture the creature. The ones sent to the planet are unaware of what's going on, they were told that there's an unknown creature on the planet and they must either destroy it if it's hostile or capture it if it's not. This is why they need the USCM.
To ensure the capture of the alien, Weyland-Yutani gives specific orders to an andriod to stop at nothing to bring back the alien, the crew is also unawre of this. They leave and on their way there, six predators are sent to the planet for the hunt. Entering the atmosphere of the planet the ship crahses but not to the point where they can't leave, they turn on the back up genterators and go about their business.
They continue with the plans and explore the planet and leave three others to watch the ship. While out they find nothing more than a waterfall. They all come back to the ship and discuss what they found and what they didn't. Then the back up power goes out.
From then on it's chaos and a fight to stay alive.
Quote from: No Tail on Jan 02, 2008, 01:49:46 AM
After the events of AVPR, a meteor hits the moon and forms a new planet. Weyland-Yutani researches the planet and find that the metal in the meteor is also in the Predator weapons. The predators need this planet for the ultimate ritual, alien and human hunting. To ready the planet the predators send 2 preds to the planet to set up 11 alien eggs and humans so they can hunt.
Weyland-Yutani continues their research and find that the bio weapons orgamism is also on the planet, the alien. With that in mind, Weyland-Yutani sends 14 people to the planet to capture the creature. The ones sent to the planet are unaware of what's going on, they were told that there's an unknown creature on the planet and they must either destroy it if it's hostile or capture it if it's not. This is why they need the USCM.
To ensure the capture of the alien, Weyland-Yutani gives specific orders to an andriod to stop at nothing to bring back the alien, the crew is also unawre of this. They leave and on their way there, six predators are sent to the planet for the hunt. Entering the atmosphere of the planet the ship crahses but not to the point where they can't leave, they turn on the back up genterators and go about their business.
They continue with the plans and explore the planet and leave three others to watch the ship. While out they find nothing more than a waterfall. They all come back to the ship and discuss what they found and what they didn't. Then the back up power goes out.
From then on it's chaos and a fight to stay alive.
I dont get the moon thing and is this happening right after AVP-r cause that what it sounds like other than the android
Quote from: Dragon-Pred on Jan 02, 2008, 01:53:05 AM
Quote from: No Tail on Jan 02, 2008, 01:49:46 AM
After the events of AVPR, a meteor hits the moon and forms a new planet. Weyland-Yutani researches the planet and find that the metal in the meteor is also in the Predator weapons. The predators need this planet for the ultimate ritual, alien and human hunting. To ready the planet the predators send 2 preds to the planet to set up 11 alien eggs and humans so they can hunt.
Weyland-Yutani continues their research and find that the bio weapons orgamism is also on the planet, the alien. With that in mind, Weyland-Yutani sends 14 people to the planet to capture the creature. The ones sent to the planet are unaware of what's going on, they were told that there's an unknown creature on the planet and they must either destroy it if it's hostile or capture it if it's not. This is why they need the USCM.
To ensure the capture of the alien, Weyland-Yutani gives specific orders to an andriod to stop at nothing to bring back the alien, the crew is also unawre of this. They leave and on their way there, six predators are sent to the planet for the hunt. Entering the atmosphere of the planet the ship crahses but not to the point where they can't leave, they turn on the back up genterators and go about their business.
They continue with the plans and explore the planet and leave three others to watch the ship. While out they find nothing more than a waterfall. They all come back to the ship and discuss what they found and what they didn't. Then the back up power goes out.
From then on it's chaos and a fight to stay alive.
I dont get the moon thing and is this happening right after AVP-r cause that what it sounds like other than the android
No, the only thing that happens right after AVP-R is the meteor hitting the moon. After many decades, Weyland-Yutani sends the 14 peopel to the planet.
Alien vs Predator 3: Yahtzee!
I'm gonna say they should ignore fan ideas because they are generally bad. As long as it's written by someone smart and not some dumb shit like Ripley clones thousands of years in the future or setting the movie on Earth for budget squeezing.
Quote from: wolfboy on Jan 02, 2008, 02:12:07 AM
I'm gonna say they should ignore fan ideas because they are generally bad. As long as it's written by someone smart and not some dumb shit like Ripley clones thousands of years in the future or setting the movie on Earth for budget squeezing.
I agree, except I have some ideas of my own but can't be bothered to share them right now, maybe later. ;)
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Jan 02, 2008, 01:03:29 AM
I would say the planet Ryushi... an onscreen adaptation of the original AvP comic.
-Rakai'Thwei
You must like Peter Briggs or whatever his name is script for an avp film then.
Quote from: Dragon-Pred on Jan 02, 2008, 01:29:49 AM
Starts on a secret testing facility on random planet. Due to events the humans are well aware of the pred threat and have manage to capture a predator. Scientists due tests on aliens and pred which leads into having surgically altered pred. Aliens escape and unleash hell then pred escapes. The entire faciltity is shut down due to pred and aliens make a hive and pred recovers his equipment. Army sends a bunch of Soldiers to what is a unchartered planet to find survivors and recover valuable info. Eventually the preds would send like five or six different preds to kill the main pred who is basically a bad blood. This of course would be the last avp movie and would be like 2 hrs and 40 mins long. It would cost upward of like 100 mil though so prolly never gonna happen
I would love to see a bunch of different preds though like one wearing alien skin to cover his armor or something.
That's basically
Doom with some predators in it.
Quote from: Craig on Jan 02, 2008, 02:33:58 AM
Quote from: Dragon-Pred on Jan 02, 2008, 01:29:49 AM
Starts on a secret testing facility on random planet. Due to events the humans are well aware of the pred threat and have manage to capture a predator. Scientists due tests on aliens and pred which leads into having surgically altered pred. Aliens escape and unleash hell then pred escapes. The entire faciltity is shut down due to pred and aliens make a hive and pred recovers his equipment. Army sends a bunch of Soldiers to what is a unchartered planet to find survivors and recover valuable info. Eventually the preds would send like five or six different preds to kill the main pred who is basically a bad blood. This of course would be the last avp movie and would be like 2 hrs and 40 mins long. It would cost upward of like 100 mil though so prolly never gonna happen
I would love to see a bunch of different preds though like one wearing alien skin to cover his armor or something.
That's basically Doom with some predators in it.
Sorta, but the bad blood subplot would be cool as well.
How about colonial Marines sent out on exercise to test new weapons capabilities. What they don't know is the off world location they've been sent to conduct exercises on is believed according to secret reports made to the Weyland Yutani, company to be a source of Predator activity. There is already tension between the military commanders and the military scientists who have been sent by the company to keep an eye on things-ultimately their secret goal is to try and capture one again after failing several times before on Earth.
As the exercise progresses and conflicts start to arise as tensions come to ahead as Marine commanders are being forced by powerful political pressure to obey the company scientists who seem to be sending groups of Marines out to out of the way locations. As this happens Marines start to die in ever increasing numbers. The mission commander concerned for his men decides to have the scientists arrested and plans to go and find out what's killing his men in such horrific fashion. As the mission proceeds and individual deaths started becoming multiple killings the colonial Marines find themselves up against a small number of these deadly invisible killers.
As situations become more desperate however, the Marine commander begins to notice a pattern. Whoever these silent killers are they are concentrated in one are near the base of a mountainous region almost as if they were trying to stop the marines from discovering something.
The marine commander decides to mount an operation to find out what believing whatever it is that they are protecting could be key to getting off the planet alive.
However as an elite squad of the Marines chosen to infiltrate this area make their way in they discover in hidden underground caverns that what really lies there are the unimaginable terrors of creatures so deadly they realize that whatever was killing them was trying to hide a deadly breeding program for the ultimate prey: Aliens
Quote from: Craig on Jan 02, 2008, 02:33:58 AM
Quote from: Dragon-Pred on Jan 02, 2008, 01:29:49 AM
Starts on a secret testing facility on random planet. Due to events the humans are well aware of the pred threat and have manage to capture a predator. Scientists due tests on aliens and pred which leads into having surgically altered pred. Aliens escape and unleash hell then pred escapes. The entire faciltity is shut down due to pred and aliens make a hive and pred recovers his equipment. Army sends a bunch of Soldiers to what is a unchartered planet to find survivors and recover valuable info. Eventually the preds would send like five or six different preds to kill the main pred who is basically a bad blood. This of course would be the last avp movie and would be like 2 hrs and 40 mins long. It would cost upward of like 100 mil though so prolly never gonna happen
I would love to see a bunch of different preds though like one wearing alien skin to cover his armor or something.
That's basically Doom with some predators in it.
Never saw or played the video game :-[
Quote from: Dragon-Pred on Jan 02, 2008, 05:02:44 AM
Quote from: Craig on Jan 02, 2008, 02:33:58 AM
Quote from: Dragon-Pred on Jan 02, 2008, 01:29:49 AM
Starts on a secret testing facility on random planet. Due to events the humans are well aware of the pred threat and have manage to capture a predator. Scientists due tests on aliens and pred which leads into having surgically altered pred. Aliens escape and unleash hell then pred escapes. The entire faciltity is shut down due to pred and aliens make a hive and pred recovers his equipment. Army sends a bunch of Soldiers to what is a unchartered planet to find survivors and recover valuable info. Eventually the preds would send like five or six different preds to kill the main pred who is basically a bad blood. This of course would be the last avp movie and would be like 2 hrs and 40 mins long. It would cost upward of like 100 mil though so prolly never gonna happen
I would love to see a bunch of different preds though like one wearing alien skin to cover his armor or something.
That's basically Doom with some predators in it.
Never saw or played the video game :-[
The game could have actually been an Alien game, the premises are very similar, but because of creative differences, Id left that idea and created doom.
Quote from: Dragon-Pred on Jan 02, 2008, 05:02:44 AM
Quote from: Craig on Jan 02, 2008, 02:33:58 AM
Quote from: Dragon-Pred on Jan 02, 2008, 01:29:49 AM
Starts on a secret testing facility on random planet. Due to events the humans are well aware of the pred threat and have manage to capture a predator. Scientists due tests on aliens and pred which leads into having surgically altered pred. Aliens escape and unleash hell then pred escapes. The entire faciltity is shut down due to pred and aliens make a hive and pred recovers his equipment. Army sends a bunch of Soldiers to what is a unchartered planet to find survivors and recover valuable info. Eventually the preds would send like five or six different preds to kill the main pred who is basically a bad blood. This of course would be the last avp movie and would be like 2 hrs and 40 mins long. It would cost upward of like 100 mil though so prolly never gonna happen
I would love to see a bunch of different preds though like one wearing alien skin to cover his armor or something.
That's basically Doom with some predators in it.
Never saw or played the video game :-[
I was referring to the movie, which is underrated btw.
Quote from: Craig on Jan 02, 2008, 06:12:10 AM
Quote from: Dragon-Pred on Jan 02, 2008, 05:02:44 AM
Quote from: Craig on Jan 02, 2008, 02:33:58 AM
Quote from: Dragon-Pred on Jan 02, 2008, 01:29:49 AM
Starts on a secret testing facility on random planet. Due to events the humans are well aware of the pred threat and have manage to capture a predator. Scientists due tests on aliens and pred which leads into having surgically altered pred. Aliens escape and unleash hell then pred escapes. The entire faciltity is shut down due to pred and aliens make a hive and pred recovers his equipment. Army sends a bunch of Soldiers to what is a unchartered planet to find survivors and recover valuable info. Eventually the preds would send like five or six different preds to kill the main pred who is basically a bad blood. This of course would be the last avp movie and would be like 2 hrs and 40 mins long. It would cost upward of like 100 mil though so prolly never gonna happen
I would love to see a bunch of different preds though like one wearing alien skin to cover his armor or something.
That's basically Doom with some predators in it.
Never saw or played the video game :-[
I was referring to the movie, which is underrated btw.
never saw it
in the future on a scrappy mining planet. During mining they find some space jockey ruines and tons of eggs. Eggs hatch and grab everyone slowly during the night. They send a distress call that is recieved by the colonial marines and the predators as well.
4 predators go to the hunt, they already know what lies there. Each predator is very unique this time around and specializing in different combat styles, from melee, to strickly projectile based. Many weapons would return. A cross between the smart disk and the shuriken is introduced. Weapons would be a cross between standard pred weapons and some of the avp stuff but not as over the top. main new weapon seen is a arm cannon as I could never picture using pistol or rifle like devices, it just looked out of placein avpr. The spear gun is also finally shown. These guys are decked out for grand hunt. This is also the first time the predators have been encountered since avpr. Their cloaking technology has improved to a point that they can't be tracked down any way known to man.
Aliens this time around include the cameron style ones, runners and a new one, the king. There is no queen this time around and about 2 dozen eggs. No clue on what the king be like, but he is more of a protector and layed in hibernation till all the eggs hatched. Thing is huge, but little smaller than a queen. This is the main reason the predators are there, to hunt one of the toughest and rarest types of aliens.
Everybody arrives a weeks too late, so those cameron style aliens could make more sense. First the marines, and then the preds. The marines have no clue what their in for, only the synthoid with them sectrely does. Marines go in looking for survivors and get into the ruins, they find a few there and some hints to alien origins are shown. Shit hits the fan and run to the evact plane only to find the predators has destroyed the their only chance of escape. During the fights, one of the survivors was taken away, who has the access to the planet's escape pods. He has a trackign device on him, so the marines have no choice but to enter the hive and retrieve it if they are to survive. When they find him, he is being protected by the King because he was facehugged from the very last egg, a queen.
Its got enough familar stuff from previous movies for it not to feel out of place, but enough new stuff in pred tech, alien life cycle, and alien origin to add to the lores. Alien and predator origins would never be explained and i don't believe ever should, the mystery makes them better. Theres many aliens, but not as many as A2 to keep the battles from turning into shooting galleries like aliens did. I'd say a budget around 75 million and about 2:00 to 2:00 & half hours max. no hour and half deal can work for this type of movie, theres just too many characters and creatures that need proper fleshing out. There would definally be a winner between the predators and aliens. Whether the humans escape or not depends upon which ending, gotta have 2 for the dvd.
Quote from: ReViliTy on Jan 02, 2008, 08:00:18 AM
in the future on a scrappy mining planet. During mining they find some space jockey ruines and tons of eggs. Eggs hatch and grab everyone slowly during the night. They send a distress call that is recieved by the colonial marines and the predators as well.
4 predators go to the hunt, they already know what lies there. Each predator is very unique this time around and specializing in different combat styles, from melee, to strickly projectile based. Many weapons would return. A cross between the smart disk and the shuriken is introduced. Weapons would be a cross between standard pred weapons and some of the avp stuff but not as over the top. main new weapon seen is a arm cannon as I could never picture using pistol or rifle like devices, it just looked out of placein avpr. The spear gun is also finally shown. These guys are decked out for grand hunt. This is also the first time the predators have been encountered since avpr. Their cloaking technology has improved to a point that they can't be tracked down any way known to man.
Aliens this time around include the cameron style ones, runners and a new one, the king. There is no queen this time around and about 2 dozen eggs. No clue on what the king be like, but he is more of a protector and layed in hibernation till all the eggs hatched. Thing is huge, but little smaller than a queen. This is the main reason the predators are there, to hunt one of the toughest and rarest types of aliens.
Everybody arrives a weeks too late, so those cameron style aliens could make more sense. First the marines, and then the preds. The marines have no clue what their in for, only the synthoid with them sectrely does. Marines go in looking for survivors and get into the ruins, they find a few there and some hints to alien origins are shown. Shit hits the fan and run to the evact plane only to find the predators has destroyed the their only chance of escape. During the fights, one of the survivors was taken away, who has the access to the planet's escape pods. He has a trackign device on him, so the marines have no choice but to enter the hive and retrieve it if they are to survive. When they find him, he is being protected by the King because he was facehugged from the very last egg, a queen.
Its got enough familar stuff from previous movies for it not to feel out of place, but enough new stuff in pred tech, alien life cycle, and alien origin to add to the lores. Alien and predator origins would never be explained and i don't believe ever should, the mystery makes them better. Theres many aliens, but not as many as A2 to keep the battles from turning into shooting galleries like aliens did. I'd say a budget around 75 million and about 2:00 to 2:00 & half hours max. no hour and half deal can work for this type of movie, theres just too many characters and creatures that need proper fleshing out. There would definally be a winner between the predators and aliens. Whether the humans escape or not depends upon which ending, gotta have 2 for the dvd.
I like it but the king alien is alittle farfetched maybe a jockey alien or something like the burster was frozen or something i would also say more preds and maybe one can actually live
Quote from: ReViliTy on Jan 02, 2008, 08:00:18 AM
in the future on a scrappy mining planet. During mining they find some space jockey ruines and tons of eggs. Eggs hatch and grab everyone slowly during the night. They send a distress call that is recieved by the colonial marines and the predators as well.
4 predators go to the hunt, they already know what lies there. Each predator is very unique this time around and specializing in different combat styles, from melee, to strickly projectile based. Many weapons would return. A cross between the smart disk and the shuriken is introduced. Weapons would be a cross between standard pred weapons and some of the avp stuff but not as over the top. main new weapon seen is a arm cannon as I could never picture using pistol or rifle like devices, it just looked out of placein avpr. The spear gun is also finally shown. These guys are decked out for grand hunt. This is also the first time the predators have been encountered since avpr. Their cloaking technology has improved to a point that they can't be tracked down any way known to man.
Aliens this time around include the cameron style ones, runners and a new one, the king. There is no queen this time around and about 2 dozen eggs. No clue on what the king be like, but he is more of a protector and layed in hibernation till all the eggs hatched. Thing is huge, but little smaller than a queen. This is the main reason the predators are there, to hunt one of the toughest and rarest types of aliens.
Everybody arrives a weeks too late, so those cameron style aliens could make more sense. First the marines, and then the preds. The marines have no clue what their in for, only the synthoid with them sectrely does. Marines go in looking for survivors and get into the ruins, they find a few there and some hints to alien origins are shown. Shit hits the fan and run to the evact plane only to find the predators has destroyed the their only chance of escape. During the fights, one of the survivors was taken away, who has the access to the planet's escape pods. He has a trackign device on him, so the marines have no choice but to enter the hive and retrieve it if they are to survive. When they find him, he is being protected by the King because he was facehugged from the very last egg, a queen.
Its got enough familar stuff from previous movies for it not to feel out of place, but enough new stuff in pred tech, alien life cycle, and alien origin to add to the lores. Alien and predator origins would never be explained and i don't believe ever should, the mystery makes them better. Theres many aliens, but not as many as A2 to keep the battles from turning into shooting galleries like aliens did. I'd say a budget around 75 million and about 2:00 to 2:00 & half hours max. no hour and half deal can work for this type of movie, theres just too many characters and creatures that need proper fleshing out. There would definally be a winner between the predators and aliens. Whether the humans escape or not depends upon which ending, gotta have 2 for the dvd.
needs some polish but a good start i think?
couldn't think of a better name than the king, but its built for defense. Without gear, no predator would even stand a chance against him. I'm keen on a mining planet to help set a dark chaotic mood like the movie the decent did with a sprinkle of tech on the surface and equipment related areas.
A shot of an elder's trophy room be cool as well from where he dispatches the predators. Just this huge corridor of trophies including a queen hanging showing just why he is in charge.
4 preds, 5 main marines, 2 main survivors and 25 aliens. Thats a 2.2 kill ratio if the humans and predators were to kill them all. With many deaths going on, that 25 number would be tougher to beat. Having multiple endings is where we could finally see a predator live.
To really stick it to selrano, the synthoid would say a little info on what is known about the predators after the first encounter. Something along the lines of how various rumors and myths built up in the military over time, including an antartica battle, were proven false decades later.
I would like .. to see AvP3 on a big SpaceStation or ship .. not an a planet!
Like .. some Science flyable station or ship discover some strange Planet with strange signals, anomaly etc. or smth. like that ... but not land on it, just fly over it ... send some Teams etc. Simply like in Alien .. then come back with the infected one to the station ship and the kills get started. Hive is build, Queen laying some eggs ... an Environment like in Aliens. An emergency signal from this infected ship/station reaches humans and some rescue team etc. is beeing send. A nice build up for human/Alien Action is ready .. imo. Now ... the Predators ... excactly! Predators ...how they come in.
Some ?Scout? Ship with a coule of predators (with an elder on it i thought about 5 - 6), who where on the hunt on a planet in the near. After the Hunt they also get the emergency signal and investigate it. But this happens shortly after the rescue team arrive on the station/ship. Humans dont know about the landing of the preds on the station/shipt because scanners etc. on the ship/station are offline, because aliens cut the power or smth. like that and the scout ship is invisible.
And now the fun begins. Predators discover 2 races, humans and aliens to hunt. They split up and begin to hunt. Some Preds get killed by drones, some drones get killed by preds. And the Humans are in th middle of the action and also kill some aliens alone. But Humans priority is to survive and get back to their ship. A hard way with aliens and preds ...
In the End i imagined some scenes like that. 3 Preds (one is the elder), who survived the "hunt" discover finally the hive and the queen. An epic fight begins ... Drones are helping queen and attack mainly the 2 preds. Elder is fighting with Queen ... and how it ends? The 2 Preds defeat Drones but get killed by the queen ... the Elder is hard wounded but strikes the queen down in a long fight .. well it seems so! But the Queen lives and impale the elder with with her tail. Elder activates self destruct and the whole ship/station blows up .. But the Human reached their ship before and escaped ..
greetz
OKAY
A synopsis for an idea I had for an AvP would be...
an opening scene:
The movie opens on an alien looking forest (nothing too strange, just enough to show its not Earth) the screen the turns to an advanced targeting system scanning the area, highlighting and locking onto a human silhouette. Then it cuts to a man in the middle of the this forest, visibly distressed and armed with a shotgun. Suddenly a loud strange roar is heard and the sound of an approaching beast. As it clears the trees the powerful looking alien (not xenomorph alien, just generic) is seen for just a second as the man jumps out of the way just as a shot is fired, killing the thing. It is revealed that the scope view from earlier was from another man, the two were hunting this thing. The screen pulls back and reveals a large facility not far from he two men. As they approach the kill, an alarm sounds on their radios. They begin to quickly make their way back to the facility when one of them is blasted by a predator (pred of screen). The remaining hunter, no panicked (obviously) sprints back, only to find the place a mess. Buildings are burning and an alien (xeno) is heard. The screen cuts to black. Title card blah blah...etc.
The basic premise is a few years after that event, lets say 20, the facility is rebuilt. It is a few years before the events of 'Alien'. Its a mining facility owned by WY (go figure). There were no survivors of found after what the company tells people was a worker revolt. A gas line was ignited and caused the whole facility to go up and turned the place into an inferno for weeks. (no evidence of the xenos are found). The facility (which will e revealed to have been not that valuable and on the edge of failure, but the company poured 5 times as much money into the rebuild) now has a small security team/ police force, and a large scientific/ research department to study anything new found by the diggers.
The main protagonist would be a man (call him: John) who just got a position as a supervisor at the facility. I figure the firct scene after the title card sequence will be him, in a WY office during the end of his interview for the job, and the employer implies he barely got it, and only did because a friend of his in the company championed him. (during the film it will be revealed in bits and pieces that he was in the Army, and has a wife and kid. It will them be reveled that he was injured on duty, discharged, became addicted to painkillers, lost his family, cleaned up and got this job.) Some other characters will include the chief of security, some diggers, and one or two scientist. Basically there would be decent character development, and backstorys. The time will be spent to establish them.
Ok, so the action. First trouble starts when there is a lot of comotion outside the facility walls. Remember those aliens being hunted int he beginning? They are migrating, and these (very deadly) creatures are not very violent (lots of infighting). The predator is hear during this time hunting them (though he doesnt cause trouble for a while yet). The facility is also getting ready to go on lockdown for a while. This migration happens a few days before a storm season. The facility will be on lockdown for about a week, and virtually isolated during this period due to the intense storm. Predictably the aliens are found while mining (I figure it would be in some sort of Space Jockey vessel) just before the lockdown. Several miners that find it are hugged. After a while people notice they are missing (thisgs are in chaos with the upcoming lockdown) and go looking, it has been enough time for the aliens to burst and mature, the miners sent to find them also go missing (again, go figure). The building is evacuated, John (the supervisor) is sent to the security station to give his statment and the security team is sent into the mine. yada yada, scene reminiscent of 'Aliens' and they are wiped out. The building is quarantined. The storm hits, communications go out.
The aliens get loose, the predator starts hunting them. The pred gets taken out and self destructs (under ground or in one of the bulidings. Lots of damage, but not destroying the entire place), but sends a signal. Several preds come later (like 4 or 5, but they all HUNT, not fight like AvP1). Chaos ensues. The ticking clock in the movie would be something like the first preds detonation triggered a massive leak in some gas and also set the stage for a massive volcanic eruption under the facility. The people eventually realize this, and as soon as they can (and after a single alien gets inside their bunker and compromises it) begin to make their way to a small survey shuttle on the other side of the facility to launch into space, get into orbit and send a distress signal. The movie will take place over about a week.
The survivors are picked up. One of them turns out to be an android (not a crazy one like ash though) and the facility is destroyed, and the entire area. The company decides to label this another revolt, led by John, who will be sent to prison but the company officials say that his freezer will malfunction in transit (ie: they will kill him). The info will be taken from the android, and it will be scraped. The information will then be used to search and match signals from the vessel at the mining facility to any other SJ signals, and company protocol is then to investigate all findings (ie: what Ash did in 'Alien').
I got very lazy in my description, but I actually have several outlines for sequences and fights in my head, detailed ones too. Oh, and the pred lives. A final pred, very messed up (little equipment left, arm partially melted off, etc.) begins to make an escape, finds the queen. Tries to take it out stealthily, does some good damage, tries to fight it but is far to injured and ill equpied. It runs, but it just sets a trap that the queen gets caught in, and dies (a trap, and sequence, reminiscent of Predator1 with dutch and the pred).
I came up with most of this while watching AvP:R.
Quote from: great-wolf on Jan 02, 2008, 12:53:00 AM
You would like a bad blood in avp 3 or to predator 3?
I would like to see a bad blood in Predator 3.
1st post.
I would like to see no AVP3.
I would like to see Alien5, were Morse and Company jerks revisit Fury 161 to find something horrid.
Forget Predator, both franchises got a beating with AVP and I think Predator got the worst..so no sequel for the baddest alien hunter ever to hit the big screen. :'(
Nah what am I saying...both franchises have lost their charm. The mistical alien who blends in the dark got too much light in AVP and the Predator got bulky fat space warroir written all over it.
Face it people, we lost the fight with fox. AvpR might be enjoyable, but we will never get our alien or predator back were they bellong. Remember the first time you saw an alien or predator movie? Blownaway scarred shitless thrillrides, yes indeed. And now...we will never see that kind of movie again....how sad is that :'(
Maybe a good director will help things allong, but if were going to try to fix this...its gonna take one hell of a movie to do so.
Maybe a good director will help things allong, but if were going to try to fix this...its gonna take one hell of a movie to do so.
[/quote]This i agree with but it opens doors for new ideas and with the Film tech they have today just imagin the possibileties! BUT WHE NEED BOTH PRED3 AND ALIEN5 i THINK TOO SCEARe OURE CHILDREN TOO ALMOST A CATETONIC STATE!!!
Quote from: BlkSoul on Jan 02, 2008, 12:20:16 PM
Maybe a good director will help things allong, but if were going to try to fix this...its gonna take one hell of a movie to do so.
This i agree with but it opens doors for new ideas and with the Film tech they have today just imagin the possibileties! BUT WHE NEED BOTH PRED3 AND ALIEN5 i THINK TOO SCEARe OURE CHILDREN TOO ALMOST A CATETONIC STATE!!!
Predator 3 will take some original thinking to make something special or to scare the sjit out of the crowds.
Alien 5 isnt that difficult to create a good atmosFEAR. Low pacing and good characters can fix allot of damage. Problem is...will an alien still scare you? I say we need to go back to the roots, and let 1 alien do all the work...but it has to be something different from the thing we allready seen.
Quote from: Hemi on Jan 02, 2008, 12:40:13 PM
Quote from: BlkSoul on Jan 02, 2008, 12:20:16 PM
Maybe a good director will help things allong, but if were going to try to fix this...its gonna take one hell of a movie to do so.
This i agree with but it opens doors for new ideas and with the Film tech they have today just imagin the possibileties! BUT WHE NEED BOTH PRED3 AND ALIEN5 i THINK TOO SCEARe OURE CHILDREN TOO ALMOST A CATETONIC STATE!!!
Predator 3 will take some original thinking to make something special or to scare the sjit out of the crowds.
Alien 5 isnt that difficult to create a good atmosFEAR. Low pacing and good characters can fix allot of damage. Problem is...will an alien still scare you? I say we need to go back to the roots, and let 1 alien do all the work...but it has to be something different from the thing we allready seen.
I agree but no movie scears me anymore but i would like one too! PRED3 OR ALIEN5
Quote from: BlkSoul on Jan 02, 2008, 01:15:51 PM
Quote from: Hemi on Jan 02, 2008, 12:40:13 PM
Quote from: BlkSoul on Jan 02, 2008, 12:20:16 PM
Maybe a good director will help things allong, but if were going to try to fix this...its gonna take one hell of a movie to do so.
This i agree with but it opens doors for new ideas and with the Film tech they have today just imagin the possibileties! BUT WHE NEED BOTH PRED3 AND ALIEN5 i THINK TOO SCEARe OURE CHILDREN TOO ALMOST A CATETONIC STATE!!!
Predator 3 will take some original thinking to make something special or to scare the sjit out of the crowds.
Alien 5 isnt that difficult to create a good atmosFEAR. Low pacing and good characters can fix allot of damage. Problem is...will an alien still scare you? I say we need to go back to the roots, and let 1 alien do all the work...but it has to be something different from the thing we allready seen.
I agree but no movie scears me anymore but i would like one too! PRED3 OR ALIEN5
some good english acting can do wonders for these franchises
Quote from: Hemi on Jan 02, 2008, 02:03:50 PM
Quote from: BlkSoul on Jan 02, 2008, 01:15:51 PM
Quote from: Hemi on Jan 02, 2008, 12:40:13 PM
Quote from: BlkSoul on Jan 02, 2008, 12:20:16 PM
Maybe a good director will help things allong, but if were going to try to fix this...its gonna take one hell of a movie to do so.
This i agree with but it opens doors for new ideas and with the Film tech they have today just imagin the possibileties! BUT WHE NEED BOTH PRED3 AND ALIEN5 i THINK TOO SCEARe OURE CHILDREN TOO ALMOST A CATETONIC STATE!!!
Predator 3 will take some original thinking to make something special or to scare the sjit out of the crowds.
Alien 5 isnt that difficult to create a good atmosFEAR. Low pacing and good characters can fix allot of damage. Problem is...will an alien still scare you? I say we need to go back to the roots, and let 1 alien do all the work...but it has to be something different from the thing we allready seen.
I agree but no movie scears me anymore but i would like one too! PRED3 OR ALIEN5
some good english acting can do wonders for these franchises
OKAY IM LOST
If anything like the silo in 'Alien' is going to have a part to play in events, then it needs a writer with the sort of ideas Clive Barker has.
heres mine it's very short.
alien is born
alien kills predator
than kill another predator
than it does more of what it did.
than after all that alien lives
the credits role.
my scenario will win an oscar. i know i'm that good
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Jan 02, 2008, 03:38:36 PM
If anything like the silo in 'Alien' is going to have a part to play in events, then it needs a writer with the sort of ideas Clive Barker has.
I could be wrong, but I believe barker has no interest in this stuff.
what about a Predator 3 movie sent in ancient Egypt?
Scuse me if i'm wrong but wasn't the predator world that Fox ok'd for the Strause Bros a prelude to a future avp3 in space?
Perhaps WY will send some mercenaries there to steal some technology. With the yellow brightness of Predworld you could end up with some 'Halo' looking soldiers.
Also wasn't there a hint that AVP3 may end up with the Spacejockeys crashing on LV427? The quote I think was the Strause Bros would like to do a story set before Alien or after Alien 3.
They sound like good ideas, if we were to mix everyones ideas together to create a solid story that would be pretty cool.
But from the looks of it, it sounds like AVP3 is going to have be a huge big budget sci-fi film. Most likely it will happen I believe, but 4 years from now I don't see it happening. I don't think we are going to see another AVP in a long time I'm afraid, the budget would be too high, I hope I'm wrong though.
But it's strange how fast Colin and Greg keep talking about an AVP3, maybe Fox has a wild card that they haven't been telling us yet?! Maybe Colin and Greg know something we don't hmmm...
Quote from: PHANTOM on Jan 03, 2008, 07:20:53 AM
But it's strange how fast Colin and Greg keep talking about an AVP3, maybe Fox has a wild card that they haven't been telling us yet?! Maybe Colin and Greg know something we don't hmmm...
Yeah ... It is so exciting :D
Quote from: killzonewith bladesandteet on Jan 03, 2008, 04:10:23 AM
what about a Predator 3 movie sent in ancient Egypt?
To be honest ... that would be VERY interesting ... not exactly ancient ... but a desert scenarion ... Africa/Egypt or somewhere. Imagine ... Present Time, Desert Scenario .. some Terrorists .. some SPecial Forces .. and a Predator.
greetz
AvP2 pc game story: LV-1201
Quote from: ReViliTy on Jan 02, 2008, 08:30:56 PM
I could be wrong, but I believe barker has no interest in this stuff.
I did say "like". :)
an amazing scenario IMO would have the following
-Set it in the future on a newly established Weyland-Yutani colony on Ryuushi, a predator hunting party arrives and bombards the colony with facehuggers for a thrilling homemade hunt, the colony is wiped out and communications is lost,prompting WY who secretly knows whats going on to divert a nearby troop transport carrying a specs op team of colonial marines to the planet, all hell breaks loose, the Pred party after plowing through dozens of aliens and taking some human skulls are finally decimated by the hordes of aliens until one is left who after killing the King Predalien does battle with the last surviving marine
Quote from: Eidotemit on Jan 02, 2008, 10:07:41 AM
A synopsis for an idea I had for an AvP would be...
an opening scene:
The movie opens on an alien looking forest (nothing too strange, just enough to show its not Earth) the screen the turns to an advanced targeting system scanning the area, highlighting and locking onto a human silhouette. Then it cuts to a man in the middle of the this forest, visibly distressed and armed with a shotgun. Suddenly a loud strange roar is heard and the sound of an approaching beast. As it clears the trees the powerful looking alien (not xenomorph alien, just generic) is seen for just a second as the man jumps out of the way just as a shot is fired, killing the thing. It is revealed that the scope view from earlier was from another man, the two were hunting this thing. The screen pulls back and reveals a large facility not far from he two men. As they approach the kill, an alarm sounds on their radios. They begin to quickly make their way back to the facility when one of them is blasted by a predator (pred of screen). The remaining hunter, no panicked (obviously) sprints back, only to find the place a mess. Buildings are burning and an alien (xeno) is heard. The screen cuts to black. Title card blah blah...etc.
The basic premise is a few years after that event, lets say 20, the facility is rebuilt. It is a few years before the events of 'Alien'. Its a mining facility owned by WY (go figure). There were no survivors of found after what the company tells people was a worker revolt. A gas line was ignited and caused the whole facility to go up and turned the place into an inferno for weeks. (no evidence of the xenos are found). The facility (which will e revealed to have been not that valuable and on the edge of failure, but the company poured 5 times as much money into the rebuild) now has a small security team/ police force, and a large scientific/ research department to study anything new found by the diggers.
The main protagonist would be a man (call him: John) who just got a position as a supervisor at the facility. I figure the firct scene after the title card sequence will be him, in a WY office during the end of his interview for the job, and the employer implies he barely got it, and only did because a friend of his in the company championed him. (during the film it will be revealed in bits and pieces that he was in the Army, and has a wife and kid. It will them be reveled that he was injured on duty, discharged, became addicted to painkillers, lost his family, cleaned up and got this job.) Some other characters will include the chief of security, some diggers, and one or two scientist. Basically there would be decent character development, and backstorys. The time will be spent to establish them.
Ok, so the action. First trouble starts when there is a lot of comotion outside the facility walls. Remember those aliens being hunted int he beginning? They are migrating, and these (very deadly) creatures are not very violent (lots of infighting). The predator is hear during this time hunting them (though he doesnt cause trouble for a while yet). The facility is also getting ready to go on lockdown for a while. This migration happens a few days before a storm season. The facility will be on lockdown for about a week, and virtually isolated during this period due to the intense storm. Predictably the aliens are found while mining (I figure it would be in some sort of Space Jockey vessel) just before the lockdown. Several miners that find it are hugged. After a while people notice they are missing (thisgs are in chaos with the upcoming lockdown) and go looking, it has been enough time for the aliens to burst and mature, the miners sent to find them also go missing (again, go figure). The building is evacuated, John (the supervisor) is sent to the security station to give his statment and the security team is sent into the mine. yada yada, scene reminiscent of 'Aliens' and they are wiped out. The building is quarantined. The storm hits, communications go out.
The aliens get loose, the predator starts hunting them. The pred gets taken out and self destructs (under ground or in one of the bulidings. Lots of damage, but not destroying the entire place), but sends a signal. Several preds come later (like 4 or 5, but they all HUNT, not fight like AvP1). Chaos ensues. The ticking clock in the movie would be something like the first preds detonation triggered a massive leak in some gas and also set the stage for a massive volcanic eruption under the facility. The people eventually realize this, and as soon as they can (and after a single alien gets inside their bunker and compromises it) begin to make their way to a small survey shuttle on the other side of the facility to launch into space, get into orbit and send a distress signal. The movie will take place over about a week.
The survivors are picked up. One of them turns out to be an android (not a crazy one like ash though) and the facility is destroyed, and the entire area. The company decides to label this another revolt, led by John, who will be sent to prison but the company officials say that his freezer will malfunction in transit (ie: they will kill him). The info will be taken from the android, and it will be scraped. The information will then be used to search and match signals from the vessel at the mining facility to any other SJ signals, and company protocol is then to investigate all findings (ie: what Ash did in 'Alien').
I got very lazy in my description, but I actually have several outlines for sequences and fights in my head, detailed ones too. Oh, and the pred lives. A final pred, very messed up (little equipment left, arm partially melted off, etc.) begins to make an escape, finds the queen. Tries to take it out stealthily, does some good damage, tries to fight it but is far to injured and ill equpied. It runs, but it just sets a trap that the queen gets caught in, and dies (a trap, and sequence, reminiscent of Predator1 with dutch and the pred).
I came up with most of this while watching AvP:R.
nice read
Entrances will be sufficient has how much so that brothers can make avp3?
You prefer an avp on earth or in space?
Quote from: great-wolf on Jan 03, 2008, 09:05:47 PM
You prefer an avp on earth or in space?
Dnt realy care aslong as the Preds kick but and atleast one Pred lives and gets his Honnor from the Pred Elders that would be Kwl
Just a brainstorm I had today about AVP3.....main overview......
The movie is set in the future sometime between Aliens and alien 3. It starts off on the Predator home world. The predators want control of an abandoned human planet because it is a prime location for a civilization, as there planet is becoming over populated. An Elder predator sends clans of predator warriors to the planet to exterminate an infestation of Aliens, primarily one main "nest" . When the first clan fails, (creating hybrids on the planet) The Elder decides to send an elite clan of predator warriors (3 warriors) to infiltrate the nest and make the planet inhabitable. The bulk of the story takes place inside the alien nest on the barren abandoned human planet that is now infested with a large nest of Aliens(xenomorphs) ( all different kinds) and pred-alien hybrids. The planet was once a thriving spaceport but somehow a shipment of alien eggs was taken to the planet after the Yutani Corp discovered them and was shipping them back to be studied. The eggs hatched and the chaos insures..... Aliens take over the planet and kill all the humans living there. This planet is much like Mars in looks. Red-ish colored sandy soil. Lots of Rocks and a barren feeling. Only an abandoned settlement and caves and mountainous Rocky terrain can be seen.
The 3 main characters are predator elites. 1 massive and muscular named "Bull". The bull predator is HUGE in appearance.(approx. 7.5-8ft tall, 400-500 lbs)He has a bulky, rugged, battle scarred helmet. His armor is rugged and looks like pounded metal with dents, and spikes all over it. His Shoulder pad armor adorns large spikes that he uses for shoulder charging and ramming enemies. He loves hand to hand combat over the laser cannon. He is equipped with 2 large wrist blades, and large cannon. His primary weapon is a spear that looks like a sledge hammer on one end. He's all power and brute force. Very intimidating presence. A badass with an attitude. A little reckless at times because he is more primal and goes on instinct rather than smarts. Brawls and loves to fight.
The other 2 predators are normal sized predators. The Smartest and most noble of them is their leader named "Razor". The Razor predator is a cunning leader and a slicer/dicer. He is very fast with his hands and likes to use his stealth to get in close so he can cause damage. A smart warrior he prefers to clean up with his cannon first. He sports normal armor and has some extra additions including razor like blades along the outside of his forearms and elbow blades(like Guyver). His helmet is sharp.....literally. Much like the super shredders helmet in TMNT2. Its jagged and sharp around the outside and covered in small sharp shards.(like hell raiser).The Razor Predators main weapon is a new predator hand-held retractable blade. It is Half-Moon shaped and very sharp. He also uses his shoulder cannon, throwing blade and net launcher weapon. His wrist blade is normal on one side and a single, long wide blade on the other.(much like a broadsword, just shorter). A very formidable predator warrior.
The Final warrior in the saga is known as "Kameleon" or "shadow" predator. He is a very cunning and intelligent warrior preferring to use the advanced predator technology and weaponry and stealth to do the job as opposed to physical confrontation, especially with pred-aliens. He likes to plan and strategize the game plan of the clan before they hunt. His nature is to set mines, and traps to kill as many aliens as possible from the shadows. He sports a multi-colored "camo" reptile like skin and also has camo on his helmet and armor. His cloak is highly advanced. He can blend in flawlessly anywhere. His armor is sleek smooth and futuristic looking. His weapons are mainly traps, mines, bombs, and blue "erase" liquid, which he sprays out of some of his traps. He sports a normal plasma cannon on one side and a cannon launcher on the other side. Carries lots of traps and gizmos. Likes to stay cloaked and hidden striking from the shadows. Not as strong physically as the other warriors in the clan, he makes up for it with brains and tech skills.
My head is full of ideas now...........Im gonna write this thing!
Quote from: bonafide1498 on Jan 05, 2008, 05:57:33 AM
Just a brainstorm I had today about AVP3.....main overview......
The movie is set in the future sometime between Aliens and alien 3. It starts off on the Predator home world.
Alien 3 happened about a day or so after Aliens.
Nice idear dude ;)
Quote from: bonafide1498 on Jan 05, 2008, 05:57:33 AM
Just a brainstorm I had today about AVP3.....main overview......
I like your ideas but so far they are better suited for a graphic novel. I think you should write it up as a short story first...before turning it into a script you'll need to make some modifications I think
Very Creative idea, but I want Humans to be the main character like a Colonial Marine. AVPR had the wolf as the main character so I want Human perspective. Also I would like to see the movie on an other planet besides Earth, mainly because All Avp films are on Earth and Predator films. Also not sure why the prdeators would want Earth Also Humans still live there According to ALIEN R. 8) Very good ideas though, sounds like a good novel. :)
Quote from: AdamJZ on Jan 05, 2008, 08:11:04 AM
Quote from: bonafide1498 on Jan 05, 2008, 05:57:33 AM
Just a brainstorm I had today about AVP3.....main overview......
The movie is set in the future sometime between Aliens and alien 3. It starts off on the Predator home world.
Alien 3 happened about a day or so after Aliens.
I did not know that......I haven't seen Alien 3 in a while!
Quote from: Firetnk on Jan 06, 2008, 02:52:18 AM
Very Creative idea, but I want Humans to be the main character like a Colonial Marine. AVPR had the wolf as the main character so I want Human perspective. Also I would like to see the movie on an other planet besides Earth, mainly because All Avp films are on Earth and Predator films. Also not sure why the prdeators would want Earth Also Humans still live there According to ALIEN R. 8) Very good ideas though, sounds like a good novel. :)
It's not on Earth, just a planet where humans had a civilization(a spaceport) The Yutani Corp. discovered alien eggs somewhere(not completed this yet)They transport them back to the spaceport for study and they start to hatch.....the aliens take over the planet.
;D sorry for the miss reading. then in that case Great job all around, I would still like Colonial Marines. ;D Good job with the idea.
It is difficult to gather aliens and predators on a meme planet without using the scenario of avp2 the game...
Quote from: bonafide1498 on Jan 05, 2008, 05:57:33 AM
The 3 main characters are predator elites. 1 massive and muscular named "Bull". The bull predator is HUGE in appearance.(approx. 7.5-8ft tall, 400-500 lbs)He has a bulky, rugged, battle scarred helmet. His armor is rugged and looks like pounded metal with dents, and spikes all over it. His Shoulder pad armor adorns large spikes that he uses for shoulder charging and ramming enemies. He loves hand to hand combat over the laser cannon. He is equipped with 2 large wrist blades, and large cannon. His primary weapon is a spear that looks like a sledge hammer on one end. He's all power and brute force. Very intimidating presence. A badass with an attitude. A little reckless at times because he is more primal and goes on instinct rather than smarts. Brawls and loves to fight.
I`am Drawing at the moment a Pred that had been inspired by Bull :P
EDIT. Done http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?board=20.0
Looks sweet man! His armor would definately be rugged like that. I like the spikes too. I can hear the alien skulls crushing now....... :D
I found this pic on another sig.....this is what i think his face would look like.....Big mouth and lotsa sharp teeth.Of course, he would be BIGGER. (https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdjaffect.fileave.com%2Fbullpred.jpg&hash=d80e7fcb809fde287b6359402e8beda94d3b89d2)
Quote from: Firetnk on Jan 06, 2008, 04:21:35 AM
;D sorry for the miss reading. then in that case Great job all around, I would still like Colonial Marines. ;D Good job with the idea.
Im toying with this idea. Its always nice to have some soldiers in the mix.
id say on an island on a newly discoverd planet were decends of the queen from avp, aliens, alien 3 and alien resurrection, through one corse or another, have become one hive but have not taken over the whole island, a research base has been made by earth there and well i'll keep it short, coloniel mariens come, and 4 preds, big fight, theres the jist. more about it on my comment on "one or several preds in avp3?" somthing like that.
Pretty much AVP 2 game.
Make sure that the last Predator(s) wont die ;)
It is a pred cliché that the Predator dies in the end >:(
Yeah, I hate that! >:(
In my story the main pred "razor" lives on to fight again.The other 2 do get killed, but not for a while. The bull predator actually gets chestbusted and is still tough enough to keep fighting off aliens in the nest till the queen rips him up. ;)
Quote from: bonafide1498 on Jan 07, 2008, 04:48:35 PM
Yeah, I hate that! >:(
In my story the main pred "razor" lives on to fight again.The other 2 do get killed, but not for a while. The bull predator actually gets chestbusted and is still tough enough to keep fighting off aliens in the nest till the queen rips him up. ;)
Badass!
Man, your ideas are mean, but youll probably have the alien fans crying, since your preds are so badass! Great job! Do what happypred said, and lets see what you can come up with.
Quote from: Khan on Jan 07, 2008, 06:45:37 PM
Man, your ideas are mean, but youll probably have the alien fans crying, since your preds are so badass! Great job! Do what happypred said, and lets see what you can come up with.
Im working on it in my spare time. I have some of the beginning and some key scenes typed up on the computer, but still have lots to put together. I mainly have the beginning, End sequence(really sweet scene....after razor makes it out of the nest, there is a suprise where an elder predator has a big showdown with a predalien) and the scenes where Bull and Kameleon or shadow pred fight to their demise.....
by the way which name do you think is better for the tech pred......kameleon or shadow...Im leaning toward shadow myself ???.
Quote from: bonafide1498 on Jan 07, 2008, 07:23:18 PM
Quote from: Khan on Jan 07, 2008, 06:45:37 PM
Man, your ideas are mean, but youll probably have the alien fans crying, since your preds are so badass! Great job! Do what happypred said, and lets see what you can come up with.
Im working on it in my spare time. I have some of the beginning and some key scenes typed up on the computer, but still have lots to put together. I mainly have the beginning, End sequence(really sweet scene....after razor makes it out of the nest, there is a suprise where an elder predator has a big showdown with a predalien) and the scenes where Bull and Kameleon or shadow pred fight to their demise.....
by the way which name do you think is better for the tech pred......kameleon or shadow...Im leaning toward shadow myself ???.
Shadow, buddy shadow. Thats fits the best. You a good drawer?
Bad memory. Is there any human characters?
Quote from: Neukku on Jan 07, 2008, 07:29:43 PM
Bad memory. Is there any human characters?
Hope not. Lets make this a real AVP, although we still need some humans, unless there already are loads of aliens there.
Quote from: Khan on Jan 07, 2008, 07:24:29 PM
Quote from: bonafide1498 on Jan 07, 2008, 07:23:18 PM
Quote from: Khan on Jan 07, 2008, 06:45:37 PM
Man, your ideas are mean, but youll probably have the alien fans crying, since your preds are so badass! Great job! Do what happypred said, and lets see what you can come up with.
Im working on it in my spare time. I have some of the beginning and some key scenes typed up on the computer, but still have lots to put together. I mainly have the beginning, End sequence(really sweet scene....after razor makes it out of the nest, there is a suprise where an elder predator has a big showdown with a predalien) and the scenes where Bull and Kameleon or shadow pred fight to their demise.....
by the way which name do you think is better for the tech pred......kameleon or shadow...Im leaning toward shadow myself ???.
Shadow, buddy shadow. Thats fits the best. You a good drawer?
no, not really.....I have some friends who are awesome, me myself more a photoshop guy.....
Quote from: Khan on Jan 07, 2008, 07:32:28 PM
Quote from: Neukku on Jan 07, 2008, 07:29:43 PM
Bad memory. Is there any human characters?
Hope not. Lets make this a real AVP, although we still need some humans, unless there already are loads of aliens there.
It makes the story bit stupid if humans are only for cannon fodder ;)
Quote from: Khan on Jan 07, 2008, 07:32:28 PM
Quote from: Neukku on Jan 07, 2008, 07:29:43 PM
Bad memory. Is there any human characters?
Hope not. Lets make this a real AVP, although we still need some humans, unless there already are loads of aliens there.
I wasn't planning on humans......at first. Im not sure yet. The planet is already alien city because the planet had a human civilization and spaceport there, before the aliens took over.The preds know this and must go there and destroy the nest and the queen. I've also toyed with the idea of creating somekind of predator dialect......as this has never really been done in any of the movies before. Just an idea...
I got an idea. -Hugger trys to jump to Predators face. Problem is that Pred got hes mask on! So he rips the sucker out of hes face and stomp on it! 8)
Quote from: bonafide1498 on Jan 07, 2008, 07:49:50 PM
Quote from: Khan on Jan 07, 2008, 07:32:28 PM
Quote from: Neukku on Jan 07, 2008, 07:29:43 PM
Bad memory. Is there any human characters?
Hope not. Lets make this a real AVP, although we still need some humans, unless there already are loads of aliens there.
I wasn't planning on humans......at first. Im not sure yet. The planet is already alien city because the planet had a human civilization and spaceport there, before the aliens took over.The preds know this and must go there and destroy the nest and the queen. I've also toyed with the idea of creating somekind of predator dialect......as this has never really been done in any of the movies before. Just an idea...
Have you read the AVP comics or books? If not, ive only got one word for you: YAUTJA!
god bless you or gesundheit or in danish prosit
Quote from: chopperbuilder on Jan 07, 2008, 08:06:22 PM
god bless you or gesundheit or in danish prosit
aye? what the hell are you talking about?
You said YAUTJA! ( i know the word)
but it could sound abit like you know, so thats why "god bless you or gesundheit or in danish prosit"
it must be danish humor i guess ;)
Quote from: chopperbuilder on Jan 07, 2008, 08:14:00 PM
You said YAUTJA! ( i know the word)
but it could sound abit like you know, so thats why "god bless you or gesundheit or in danish prosit"
it must be danish humor i guess ;)
Weird man. I dont get you.
Danish humor ;)
Quote from: chopperbuilder on Jan 07, 2008, 08:21:29 PM
Danish humor ;)
You danish people are some weird SOB's. Anyway, use the Yautja language, or better yet, read Steve Perry (Author of the AVP novel trilogy that made the Yautja) and read his writing style in the yautja aspect. That should help.
Quote from: Khan on Jan 07, 2008, 08:23:54 PM
Quote from: chopperbuilder on Jan 07, 2008, 08:21:29 PM
Danish humor ;)
You danish people are some weird SOB's. Anyway, use the Yautja language, or better yet, read Steve Perry (Author of the AVP novel trilogy that made the Yautja) and read his writing style in the yautja aspect. That should help.
I'll check it out man. Thanks for the input. I still don't know what the hell chopper is talking about.......... ???
Quote from: bonafide1498 on Jan 08, 2008, 12:13:24 AM
Quote from: Khan on Jan 07, 2008, 08:23:54 PM
Quote from: chopperbuilder on Jan 07, 2008, 08:21:29 PM
Danish humor ;)
You danish people are some weird SOB's. Anyway, use the Yautja language, or better yet, read Steve Perry (Author of the AVP novel trilogy that made the Yautja) and read his writing style in the yautja aspect. That should help.
I'll check it out man. Thanks for the input. I still don't know what the hell chopper is talking about.......... ???
Hmmm, yeah, he is abit weird lol
Quote from: Neukku on Jan 07, 2008, 08:02:21 PM
I got an idea. -Hugger trys to jump to Predators face. Problem is that Pred got hes mask on! So he rips the sucker out of hes face and stomp on it! 8)
Sounds cool! Either that or he throws it up into the air and one of the others blast it like a clay pigeon! :o
hey bonafide I really like your ideas for AvP3. The Predators have their own fighting styles which is awesome but I hope Bull isnt too much like Celtic, cause he seems like it. I was thinking of writing down something for my idea of AVP3 I might post it, see if you like it cause I think your ideas are kick ass
to have a really good avp movie, preds aliens and marienes, thats all really
Hey bonafide, I have something here for you that you may want to read. Its the Amazon Online Reader, that allows you to read and extract of a book for free. Here several. The trilogy im talking about is the AVP trilogy. It contains the books Prey, Hunters Planet, and War. Ill show you the link to the extract of prey only.If you want to find the other novels, just search up on amazon.com with the names ive provided. Heres the link:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/0553565559/ref=sib_dp_pt/103-0369949-9448630#reader-link
For this, read through pages 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 14, 15, 16, and 17. These pages are from the perspective of the predators, or Yautja, and should help you write your story. :)
Thats cool man! Thanks alot!! This will help me out a great deal. ;D
Quote from: WolfPred93 on Jan 08, 2008, 02:17:21 AM
hey bonafide I really like your ideas for AvP3. The Predators have their own fighting styles which is awesome but I hope Bull isnt too much like Celtic, cause he seems like it. I was thinking of writing down something for my idea of AVP3 I might post it, see if you like it cause I think your ideas are kick ass
thanks for the comments, please post. All ideas are welcome!
This sounds like a really cool idea man. Forgive the shortness of this post as I'm alt tabbing between WoW arena matches, but I was reading the excerpt from the avp book and I'm liking the pred personalities you put forward. I feel that Bull is very defined but the other 2 predators need to be differentiated further. You said one of them uses his blades and is very quick/agile while the other uses technology and is stealthy, as a suggestion you might make the one that uses technology the smaller of the 3 as you said the other two were the same size.
Quote from: King Willie on Jan 08, 2008, 05:38:49 AM
This sounds like a really cool idea man. Forgive the shortness of this post as I'm alt tabbing between WoW arena matches, but I was reading the excerpt from the avp book and I'm liking the pred personalities you put forward. I feel that Bull is very defined but the other 2 predators need to be differentiated further. You said one of them uses his blades and is very quick/agile while the other uses technology and is stealthy, as a suggestion you might make the one that uses technology the smaller of the 3 as you said the other two were the same size.
Yeah, thats how i see it in my head, Its just that i don't see any predator as being too small!
But yeah i know what you mean. I would say he is certainly less "bulky" or muscular than razor.
Also, gotta make sure you have balance in the story. It might be cool to have just colonists or ranchers like in the original avp comic, the marines can work really well too however, perhaps the lone survivors of the alien apocalypse on the planet send a distress signal to a neighbouring space station which sends a planetary guard? Maybe like halfway through the story you could twist it up or something. Have you started writing yet? and did you read that excerpt?
Quote from: King Willie on Jan 08, 2008, 05:56:20 AM
Also, gotta make sure you have balance in the story. It might be cool to have just colonists or ranchers like in the original avp comic, the marines can work really well too however, perhaps the lone survivors of the alien apocalypse on the planet send a distress signal to a neighbouring space station which sends a planetary guard? Maybe like halfway through the story you could twist it up or something. Have you started writing yet? and did you read that excerpt?
You sorta sound like a nagging mother lol Anyway, yeah, hope you read the excerpt, it will help you very much.
I've been called that before, but he asked for constructive ideas, and that is what I'm offering.
I know it's a weird question... but I'm genuinely interested. ;D
ya, and my question is poorly written also.
sorry.
How can you set a movie in space? Shouldn't it be "spaceship"?
a new colony, jungle like in atmosphere and the preds infect it with eggs for a hunt!
with some miltary conspiracy and your good to go!
A new colony, not entirly jungle.
Please, no alien homeworld in one of these abysmal movies. Leave that for Cameron or Scott to achieve it properly.
a new colony, or something of the like.
I like the idea of colony if its done right. I think they should leave LV 426 the f**k alone: they just won't spend the money to do that and i think some things are just left intact for the sake of keeping the canon strong.
Space wtf does that mean exactly? there's a multitude of possibilities with their own problems. The worrying idea of a pred ship crashing on a newly founded colony where aliens and Predators and Space Marines get sent to on rescue/cleaning missions and end up fighting each other and then the Aliens start arriving? :o
Oh........ ::) They just did something like that
20th Century Fox executive bathroom.
I picked last option. Here is explanation:
As I said earlier I have my own concept about AvP 3 and when I will have enough free time I will write it down, and post it here. I don`t want to spoil my ideas by posting parts of it, also as we know guys from Fox are visiting this place from time to time, and I would be pissed off to see my ideas in next AvP as fu<ked up as two earlier films.
Quote from: SM on Jan 08, 2008, 08:33:37 AM
20th Century Fox executive bathroom.
"So i had this idea" *unzips fly*
"Uh huh"
"Well we get set it in the future"
"I don't like it but continue"
"Ok just listen, right and Weyland Yutani have cloned aliens into robots that are 50 feet high"
"I'm likin it" *pee's*
"Right but the robots go crazy and kill everyone, so to get them under control, WY clone wolf into a cyborg"
"awesome.."
"Yeah and then Ripley gets mixed up in it all and is forced to use a powerloader to fight the robots"
"Put guns on the powerloader"
"Awesome idea."
*high five*
Space would be pretty cool this time around. But I'll stick with whatever I'm given.
I don`t think that I would be able to write whoe screen play my selve. I would rather make it in form of short novel ( I have two on my account and the third one is comeing). And no I`m not affraid of stealing my ideas. I`m affraid of fu<king up my ideas ;)
Quote"Yeah and then Ripley gets mixed up in it all and is forced to use a powerloader to fight the robots"
"Put guns on the powerloader"
"Awesome idea."
*high five*
"Oh shit! I just pissed on you!"
"Yeah... me too"
"Hardcore!!"
"Gritty!!"
;D
"Hey, what about having an Alien Queen that lays embryo's by taking a dump in your mouth??"
"f**k YEAH!"
(checks himself in the mirror)
"Talk about you're hard R Rating!"
"Yeah... I'm getting hard just thinking about it"
"Boys, stop playing Fox Executive in the bathroom and come and eat your dinner... NOW, dammit! And Huol, get your hand out of SM's pants!" -Dad
I think a third of the film should take place on a human ship, that ends up crashing on one of the Predators favorite hunting planets or something.
Quote from: gases on Jan 08, 2008, 07:12:48 AM
a new colony, jungle like in atmosphere and the preds infect it with eggs for a hunt!
with some miltary conspiracy and your good to go!
welcome to AvP: War...the planet was called Bunda I think
Quote from: XENOWARRIOR on Jan 08, 2008, 02:17:36 AM
to have a really good avp movie, preds aliens and marienes, thats all really
And moment like this :P
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ftn3-2.deviantart.com%2Ffs20%2F300W%2Ff%2F2007%2F293%2F2%2F3%2Fpredalien_by_nebezial.jpg&hash=e2ab501c4830ad2e11d09c36a719f5dfafd16266)
Quote from: crumbs on Jan 08, 2008, 08:11:10 AM
Please, no alien homeworld in one of these abysmal movies. Leave that for Cameron or Scott to achieve it properly.
I agree. The Alien homeworld should only be approached by an extremely good director and writer.
Quote from: The Diesel on Jan 08, 2008, 03:38:21 PM
Quote from: crumbs on Jan 08, 2008, 08:11:10 AM
Please, no alien homeworld in one of these abysmal movies. Leave that for Cameron or Scott to achieve it properly.
I agree. The Alien homeworld should only be approached by an extremely good director and writer.
...and not be related to AVP...
i think the story of weyland-yutani and how they became such big company could be expanded on teh AVP-saga. it could be something like the main-thread for all the AVP movies, to give them some kind of sense for the predator/alien movies.
Quote from: Khan on Jan 08, 2008, 12:16:29 AM
Quote from: bonafide1498 on Jan 08, 2008, 12:13:24 AM
Quote from: Khan on Jan 07, 2008, 08:23:54 PM
Quote from: chopperbuilder on Jan 07, 2008, 08:21:29 PM
Danish humor ;)
You danish people are some weird SOB's. Anyway, use the Yautja language, or better yet, read Steve Perry (Author of the AVP novel trilogy that made the Yautja) and read his writing style in the yautja aspect. That should help.
I'll check it out man. Thanks for the input. I still don't know what the hell chopper is talking about.......... ???
Hmmm, yeah, he is abit weird lol
Me wird... naaaa its just danish humor that all, and besides i was bored as hell ;)
Quote from: Canon Fodder on Jan 08, 2008, 05:04:05 PM
Quote from: The Diesel on Jan 08, 2008, 03:38:21 PM
Quote from: crumbs on Jan 08, 2008, 08:11:10 AM
Please, no alien homeworld in one of these abysmal movies. Leave that for Cameron or Scott to achieve it properly.
I agree. The Alien homeworld should only be approached by an extremely good director and writer.
...and not be related to AVP...
i think the story of weyland-yutani and how they became such big company could be expanded on teh AVP-saga. it could be something like the main-thread for all the AVP movies, to give them some kind of sense for the predator/alien movies.
That's a f**king neat idea! ;D It could also help to fill in exactly how the company knew about what was on LV 426.
Quote from: killzonewith bladesandteet on Jan 08, 2008, 05:42:26 PM
That's a f**king neat idea! ;D It could also help to fill in exactly how the company knew about what was on LV 426.
By intercepting the signal, as originally explained in '
Alien'.
Let's not get over-complicated for the sake of bringing "something new" into the thing. That way lays the Newborn, Predalien and multiple embryo regurgitation/ :)
And '
Alien Resurrection' unfortuantely killed dead any chance of future exploration of Weyland-Yutani. Ripley was stated to have been responsible for wiping out virtually any chance of getting the creatures. Other encounters would contradict that.
A new massive colony, but with regular people living there instead of terriformers.
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Jan 08, 2008, 06:40:49 PM
Quote from: killzonewith bladesandteet on Jan 08, 2008, 05:42:26 PM
That's a f**king neat idea! ;D It could also help to fill in exactly how the company knew about what was on LV 426.
By intercepting the signal, as originally explained in 'Alien'.
Yes but how
exactly would they know what it was if not because they've encountered this before? I mean Alien signal in space you intercept it and you don't know what it is-unless you have some prior knowledge, and maybe because I haven't watched Alien in a while, and my memory might be fuzzy, but didn't the company want the Alien so bad it was willing to forfeit the lives of a number of its employees and company property to have it.?
That might be explained by the fact the company has gained some prior knowledge of Aliens and haven't successfully captured one? Maybe loss to high. A large ship small crew to keep infestation small and containable once the ship reaches home.
Quote from: killzonewith bladesandteet on Jan 08, 2008, 05:42:26 PM
Quote from: Canon Fodder on Jan 08, 2008, 05:04:05 PM
Quote from: The Diesel on Jan 08, 2008, 03:38:21 PM
Quote from: crumbs on Jan 08, 2008, 08:11:10 AM
Please, no alien homeworld in one of these abysmal movies. Leave that for Cameron or Scott to achieve it properly.
I agree. The Alien homeworld should only be approached by an extremely good director and writer.
...and not be related to AVP...
i think the story of weyland-yutani and how they became such big company could be expanded on teh AVP-saga. it could be something like the main-thread for all the AVP movies, to give them some kind of sense for the predator/alien movies.
That's a f**king neat idea! ;D It could also help to fill in exactly how the company knew about what was on LV 426.
Yes, if Cameron was writing that (LV-426 - he CREATED IT) together with Jim and John Thomas, I would like to see that... Just SOME writer taking a shot at it, no thanks...Had my share of Salerno's stupidity, thank you very much... ::) ;)
The Thomas bros would write a bad ass screenplay for AVP 3.
Quote from: Slugworth on Jan 08, 2008, 06:58:25 AM
I know it's a weird question... but I'm genuinely interested. ;D
ya, and my question is poorly written also.
sorry.
I voted for a new colony.
I knew that this will be the most picked up answer of the poll somehow. ;)
I just started writing my plot for my version of AVP3 (or w/e) this is how the beginning to mine goes: The humans have discovered an uninhabited planet filled with mines of what appears to be a substance of pure energy. The discovery was made by Weyland himself and he forms a team of Soldiers,Researchers, and Scientists to explore the planet. Little do they know the planet has a ship full of facehuggers that were sent by the Predators for a hunt.(obviously the movie is set in the future) It may sound very centered around the humans, but trust me it wont be all about the humans, in fact most of them are killed once the aliens and predators (YES, Predators) come intio the story. I wanted to make the main Predator a real badass but also really intelligent. Like he would set up decoys and traps for both the humans and Aliens yet he would also be awesome at hand to hand combat. There are going to be more than one main Predator and even a maturing Praetorian. Just tell me what you think about the beginning to this. all comments and suggestions are welcome ;D
Quote from: WolfPred93 on Jan 08, 2008, 08:35:34 PM
I just started writing my plot for my version of AVP3 (or w/e) this is how the beginning to mine goes: The humans have discovered an uninhabited planet filled with mines of what appears to be a substance of pure energy. The discovery was made by Weyland himself and he forms a team of Soldiers,Researchers, and Scientists to explore the planet. Little do they know the planet has a ship full of facehuggers that were sent by the Predators for a hunt.(obviously the movie is set in the future) It may sound very centered around the humans, but trust me it wont be all about the humans, in fact most of them are killed once the aliens and predators (YES, Predators) come intio the story. I wanted to make the main Predator a real badass but also really intelligent. Like he would set up decoys and traps for both the humans and Aliens yet he would also be awesome at hand to hand combat. There are going to be more than one main Predator and even a maturing Praetorian. Just tell me what you think about the beginning to this. all comments and suggestions are welcome ;D
Very interesting idea. Sounds like a hybrid of AVP and AVPR, like the predalien! ;)
Quote from: Sheriff Eddie Morales on Jan 08, 2008, 08:25:35 PM
I voted for a new colony.
I knew that this will be the most picked up answer of the poll somehow. ;)
Ya, it seems as if most people just want a remake of ALIENS, but with a Predator thrown in the mix.
I'm sure no one wants it to be indentical to ALIENS... but having it take place on another colony doenst really allow the series to grow aesthetically. But of course that's just my opinion...and I was the one who asked, so I respect everyone's elses opinion as well.
Quote from: Slugworth on Jan 08, 2008, 10:01:44 PM
Quote from: Sheriff Eddie Morales on Jan 08, 2008, 08:25:35 PM
I voted for a new colony.
I knew that this will be the most picked up answer of the poll somehow. ;)
Ya, it seems as if most people just want a remake of ALIENS, but with a Predator thrown in the mix.
I'm sure no one wants it to be indentical to ALIENS... but having it take place on another colony doenst really allow the series to grow aesthetically. But of course that's just my opinion...and I was the one who asked, so I respect everyone's elses opinion as well.
This is the question we face: how do you make a film that respects canon but istn't just a re-hash otherwise you start to become parody.
To me this is my AvP 3 either one of these two for me either A or B.
A: Takes place in a ship like the Nostromo with one Alien and one Predator with people in the ship tying to escape and survive.
B: A planet like LV-426 with various Aliens and Predators and possibly Marines or just people.
I wouldn't mind seeing a good Predalien or Queen but this just my opinion.
Quote from: Pred-Xeno on Jan 08, 2008, 11:10:21 PM
To me this is my AvP 3 either one of these two for me either A or B.
A: Takes place in a ship like the Nostromo with one Alien and one Predator with people in the ship tying to escape and survive.
B: A planet like LV-426 with various Aliens and Predators and possibly Marines or just people.
I wouldn't mind seeing a good Predalien or Queen but this just my opinion.
I'd like to see a combination of A and B
Act 1 would take place aboard a ship like the Nostromo, and maybe the Predators could infiltrate the ship and make it crash land of a planet like LV-426... maybe the Alien Home World instead... where the Predators will be on Safari and the humans would be running for their lives.
Just an idea.
AVP 3 needs an original setting. Not just another colonized planet. No colonel marines. No Alien or Predator homeworld. No spaceship and no more Earth. Something original.
Yes, it should be a planet of some-kind, but not just another colony. That idea has been done too death (Aliens and of course, the original AVP comic/novel).
The key to this is to find a setting that is best for both, Aliens and Predators to move around in and not just one setting for one of the creatures.
I'm going to keep repeating this, but I think AVP needs Space Jockeys, female Predators and Weyland-Yutani (as the end of AVP R hints at).
The idea of another human colony, bothers me.
AVP 3 should have an original setting. Nothing like the other films.
Quote from: Space Disc Jockey on Jan 09, 2008, 12:14:53 AM
AVP 3 needs an original setting. Not just another colonized planet. No colonel marines. No Alien or Predator homeworld. No spaceship and no more Earth. Something original.
Yes, it should be a planet of some-kind, but not just another colony. That idea has been done too death (Aliens and of course, the original AVP comic/novel).
The key to this is to find a setting that is best for both, Aliens and Predators to move around in and not just one setting for one of the creatures.
I'm going to keep repeating this, but I think AVP needs Space Jockeys, female Predators and Weyland-Yutani (as the end of AVP R hints at).
The idea of another human colony, bothers me.
AVP 3 should have an original setting. Nothing like the other films.
Human colonies bother you but female preds do not WTF... And above you basically named after every possible setting... Personally though I beileve it should consists of these settings in which I beileve both species can be well "intermingled" into...
1. Spacecraft of some sort (although not original we have yet to see how a pred would react on a human vessel)
2. More exploration of Pred homeworld (not alot but glimpsies of Preds maybe 'studying' skulls on one of those temples...)
3. A planet far away from earth for factual references... This planet should consist of 'alienistic' jungles I do not want to see the amazon as space jungle... And also many desolate valleys and mountainous terrains... Caverns should also be a large part which can be used as hive nests... It should be a very erie and desolate place with a dark setting and enclosed areas but should leave room for wide areas and good lighting caused from a moon or marine lights...
Quote from: Dragon-Pred on Jan 09, 2008, 12:37:32 AM
Human colonies bother you but female preds do not WTF
Because, human colonies have been done before, and female preds have not.
Quote from: Space Disc Jockey on Jan 09, 2008, 12:42:48 AM
Quote from: Dragon-Pred on Jan 09, 2008, 12:37:32 AM
Human colonies bother you but female preds do not WTF
Because, human colonies have been done before, and female preds have not.
Well you are clearly a more alien fan... I would just like to know how you would feel if they implied that aliens have sex to produce eggs and they do it in the queens egg sack... cause that is what having female preds would do to the pred series... every one would think... ok so the preds must have sex 'vomit' 'vomit' ... 'stops vomiting' 1... 2... 3... 'chest burster flies out of me'
Nothing wrong with human colonies but even Salerno has never suggested female preds... I mean come on man...
Tell me your idea of AVP3. I'm curious.
Quote from: Space Disc Jockey on Jan 09, 2008, 12:59:17 AM
Tell me your idea of AVP3. I'm curious.
I meant no offense by what I said and I do not beileve my idea is good because no matter what in no way can one person produce a good idea for this type of movie you need lots of people analzing and being jerks to everyone else and also being very opionated... The Strauses at least had the balls to argue with FOX... but I gave the setting alrdy and my idea mostly consists of changing pred alien design to something much easier to make and cheaper and more alien like... At least five preds ... You can put the marines in there but it is unoriginal but I dont see what they can do that isnt... Story should be erie though and have extreme amounts of mystery... I would actually seriously like if the movies first half was like P1 and gave mystery to the creatures... also title would be the date or something like extinction so nobody knows what it is giving us back the suspense of these creatures... I mean once I know it is AVP there is no horror or suspense only me wanting to see action. The fact that it is an AVP movie would only be made obvious until after a week of release. This is basiically a rip off of Cloverfield stunt but it is the only way to bring back suspense.
Quote from: WolfPred93 on Jan 08, 2008, 08:35:34 PM
I just started writing my plot for my version of AVP3 (or w/e) this is how the beginning to mine goes: The humans have discovered an uninhabited planet filled with mines of what appears to be a substance of pure energy. The discovery was made by Weyland himself and he forms a team of Soldiers,Researchers, and Scientists to explore the planet. Little do they know the planet has a ship full of facehuggers that were sent by the Predators for a hunt.(obviously the movie is set in the future) It may sound very centered around the humans, but trust me it wont be all about the humans, in fact most of them are killed once the aliens and predators (YES, Predators) come intio the story. I wanted to make the main Predator a real badass but also really intelligent. Like he would set up decoys and traps for both the humans and Aliens yet he would also be awesome at hand to hand combat. There are going to be more than one main Predator and even a maturing Praetorian. Just tell me what you think about the beginning to this. all comments and suggestions are welcome ;D
Sounds good man. I also like that there are lots of preds. Good Start. what is the mineral ?
Quote from: King Willie on Jan 08, 2008, 05:56:20 AM
Also, gotta make sure you have balance in the story. It might be cool to have just colonists or ranchers like in the original avp comic, the marines can work really well too however, perhaps the lone survivors of the alien apocalypse on the planet send a distress signal to a neighbouring space station which sends a planetary guard? Maybe like halfway through the story you could twist it up or something. Have you started writing yet? and did you read that excerpt?
This sounds like a good idea. I have not written most of it yet. Just a few chapter/Its always evolving......I just have a rough idea of where i want to go. Thanks for the info. Yes, i did read the avp pages and it was very helpful. I like the ideas and the way it is put forward.
Also, what do you guys think of different colored lazers for aiming.....Im thinking like the classic Red lazer for cannons, the pistol would be Green and the net launcher cannon, Blue. Also, what about different cross hair shapes for the different weapons....eg, instead of a three red dots in a triangle, for the net cannon there could be like a blue circle with an X or something in the middle.....
I think you should stick with the original red triangle and aiming reticle, for continuity.
Quote from: King Willie on Jan 09, 2008, 04:47:34 AM
I think you should stick with the original red triangle and aiming reticle, for continuity.
It will still be there....just thinking of adding others as well'
Im ordiring in Prey as we speak. But its going to take like a month to get where I am :P
Ahhh i kinda lost it, and was wondering about, what he was talking about.
Eh its ok, but its easy not to double post.
Hm, I was playing with the idea that there was going to be a 3rd movie,but it's be just about Predator. The reason why is because at the end of the A.V.P.R.,they show that humans have gotten a hold of Hish technology,of whitch is strictly forbbiden, and so the other predators would find out, and come to earth to kill all who know about the alien technology. But that was just my guess...eh.
Quote from: Predatory-Intent on Jan 09, 2008, 07:36:08 PM
Hm, I was playing with the idea that there was going to be a 3rd movie,but it's be just about Predator. The reason why is because at the end of the A.V.P.R.,they show that humans have gotten a hold of Hish technology,of whitch is strictly forbbiden, and so the other predators would find out, and come to earth to kill all who know about the alien technology. But that was just my guess...eh.
Gahhh...the hish...so stupid...bonafide...choose the yautja over the stupid hish... :)
lmao, the strange thing is I like Yautja better, I just did'nt feel like spelling out. :D
I'm such a lazy poster.
Quote from: Predatory-Intent on Jan 09, 2008, 07:47:05 PM
lmao, the strange thing is I like Yautja better, I just did'nt feel like spelling out. :D
I'm such a lazy poster.
Aha ok, just dont mention them again. They are so stupid, especially in Forever Midnight. >:(
I don't even have a clue about what you are talking about! hish? WTF?
also, i was hoping at the end of AVP-R there would be some kind of hint at the Predator(s) coming back to get back their technology.....never happened :-\ also,
when did i double post?
Guess "hish" is a fan no-no up here, figures I have'nt read the book and I already did'nt like it..
Quote from: bonafide1498 on Jan 09, 2008, 07:53:22 PM
I don't even have a clue about what you are talking about! hish? WTF?
also, i was hoping at the end of AVP-R there would be some kind of hint at the Predator(s) coming back to get back their technology.....never happened :-\ also,
when did i double post?
A couple of pages back. Anyway, the Hish are a new interpretation of the predators from a predator book called Forever Midnight, from a new line of Dark Horse Books called Dark Horse Press. They have appeared in two books so far. Forever Midnight and 'Flesh and Blood'.
Quote from: Khan on Jan 09, 2008, 07:58:17 PM
Quote from: bonafide1498 on Jan 09, 2008, 07:53:22 PM
I don't even have a clue about what you are talking about! hish? WTF?
also, i was hoping at the end of AVP-R there would be some kind of hint at the Predator(s) coming back to get back their technology.....never happened :-\ also,
when did i double post?
A couple of pages back. Anyway, the Hish are a new interpretation of the predators from a predator book called Forever Midnight, from a new line of Dark Horse Books called Dark Horse Press. They have appeared in two books so far. Forever Midnight and 'Flesh and Blood'.
"Mess with the Predalien, you get the mandibles."
lmao,I love your quote Khan. Xd
Quote from: Predatory-Intent on Jan 09, 2008, 07:59:33 PM
Quote from: Khan on Jan 09, 2008, 07:58:17 PM
Quote from: bonafide1498 on Jan 09, 2008, 07:53:22 PM
I don't even have a clue about what you are talking about! hish? WTF?
also, i was hoping at the end of AVP-R there would be some kind of hint at the Predator(s) coming back to get back their technology.....never happened :-\ also,
when did i double post?
A couple of pages back. Anyway, the Hish are a new interpretation of the predators from a predator book called Forever Midnight, from a new line of Dark Horse Books called Dark Horse Press. They have appeared in two books so far. Forever Midnight and 'Flesh and Blood'.
"Mess with the Predalien, you get the mandibles."
lmao,I love your quote Khan. Xd
I like your one too ;D
Why thank you Khan, I just love that word for some strange reason, so fun to say: "mandibles"
I just added more to my story and well I didn't want LOADS of Predaliens so what I did instead was make two predaliens and I nicknamed them "The Twins" because they were born from two Yautja brothers who were facehugged and killed. I didnt want a whole lot of predaliens because I wanted the predaliens to be amazingly strong. I didnt plan on them dying either but we'll see (I sound like a loser writing about a movie that will prolly never come out but hey its fun ::))
Quote from: WolfPred93 on Jan 09, 2008, 09:16:03 PM
I just added more to my story and well I didn't want LOADS of Predaliens so what I did instead was make two predaliens and I nicknamed them "The Twins" because they were born from two Yautja brothers who were facehugged and killed. I didnt want a whole lot of predaliens because I wanted the predaliens to be amazingly strong. I didnt plan on them dying either but we'll see (I sound like a loser writing about a movie that will prolly never come out but hey its fun ::))
That is one of the coolest ideas I've read, writing your own movie, I might give it a try now..
Quote from: Predatory-Intent on Jan 09, 2008, 09:29:50 PM
Quote from: WolfPred93 on Jan 09, 2008, 09:16:03 PM
I just added more to my story and well I didn't want LOADS of Predaliens so what I did instead was make two predaliens and I nicknamed them "The Twins" because they were born from two Yautja brothers who were facehugged and killed. I didnt want a whole lot of predaliens because I wanted the predaliens to be amazingly strong. I didnt plan on them dying either but we'll see (I sound like a loser writing about a movie that will prolly never come out but hey its fun ::))
That is one of the coolest ideas I've read, writing your own movie, I might give it a try now..
Now that is a great idea right there. Abit like those sisters in Metal Gear Solid 4.
I always imagined AvP3 happening in the mountains for some reason,don't know why though.
wtf were the Hish anyway? why does everyone hate them.
Quote from: WolfPred93 on Jan 10, 2008, 08:17:38 PM
wtf were the Hish anyway? why does everyone hate them.
A good percentage of the book fans hate them, but this fan fic from this other board should enlighten you on both the Yautja and the Hish:
http://predatorhunted.proboards31.com/index.cgi?board=fans&action=display&thread=1198942636&page=1
Quote from: WolfPred93 on Jan 10, 2008, 08:17:38 PM
wtf were the Hish anyway? why does everyone hate them.
lol the hish name always reminded me of relISH XD,whoever came up with the name "Hish" must have been super wasted :P
Quote from: The "Dragon" on Jan 10, 2008, 09:42:19 PM
Quote from: WolfPred93 on Jan 10, 2008, 08:17:38 PM
wtf were the Hish anyway? why does everyone hate them.
lol the hish name always reminded me of relISH XD,whoever came up with the name "Hish" must have been super wasted :P
John Shirley must have been really wasted then.
Thanks for the "hish" info. Writing continues this weekend.....
Quote from: WolfPred93 on Jan 09, 2008, 09:16:03 PM
I just added more to my story and well I didn't want LOADS of Predaliens so what I did instead was make two predaliens and I nicknamed them "The Twins" because they were born from two Yautja brothers who were facehugged and killed. I didnt want a whole lot of predaliens because I wanted the predaliens to be amazingly strong. I didnt plan on them dying either but we'll see (I sound like a loser writing about a movie that will prolly never come out but hey its fun ::))
The "Twins"....sweet! ;D
heh im glad you guys liked the predalien idea, hey bonafide are you gonna release more of the story? I would real like to see how the story ends
Quote from: WolfPred93 on Jan 12, 2008, 12:50:30 AM
heh im glad you guys liked the predalien idea, hey bonafide are you gonna release more of the story? I would real like to see how the story ends
Agreed. ;D
Hasnt he only released just the summary of his idea?
Im still writing it......
me likes
So bonafide any new stuff ready?
yeah, but I'm gonna hold off on sharing.......for a while. ;D
After seeing AvP:R last night i think the only way for an AvP film to work is for it to be a kik ass balls out action flik like pred 2 ?? You will never replace the fear and suspense of alien, aliens and predator so don't think that is the route to go and it's the fights and humans getting taken out that we want to see- basically action ! Where pred 2 worked on the populated earth setting was it was just so far out there and over the top, i don't think a real time earth setting could ever work ???
I had an idea for a good AVP 3 movie and I'll show a long brief version of my plot on this board. If you like it I will post a detailed one but it could get very long.
Note: there are no characters yet.
February 4, 2122 (a few months before the events of Alien)
Due to a scout ship losing contact and disappearing unknown space, a small military cruiser near the scout ships last known location holding colonial marines and other personnel goes searching for the scout ship. Near the origin of SOS call, the ship discovers a small planet and lands there. They then set out search parties for possible survivors. Later, one search party discovers the crashed scout ship. The marines are confused for there are no bodies.
Meanwhile, a Predator ship lands after locating life signs matching human and xenomorph identity. The cloaked ship lands and 2 Predators depart from it.
The search parties regroup, but 1 squad of engineers find an odd, large cave. They enter but then hear the regroup orders. They hesitate when they discover human bodies and a dozen eggs. They begin to hatch and the marines open fire, all marines are facehugged except for one, but a grown alien cuts off the exit. After the disappearance of the squad all marines set out another search for them.
It gets dark and the personnel onboard the ship who stayed behind are all killed by aliens who enter through the main door, carelessly open and guarded by marines. Soon, the search parties are chased back by aliens to the ship.
Later, 2 Predators enter the jungle and are involved in a brutal battle with aliens using gadgets and hand to hand combat.
Meanwhile, the remaining soldiers contact Earth, only to reach Weyland Yutani Corporation. The marines tell them that "something" attacked them and that there on a planet, which was enough for the corporation to get there extremely fast hoping to finally get an there hands on an alien
The aliens find a way in the ship and the marines are forced into battle, the survivors run into the jungle where there predators attacked them 2 marines stayed behind and the predators got trophies. The remaining humans met up with the Weyland corp. and after telling them about the aliens, they attempt to kill them for they are witnesses. The humans flee into a nearby cave. Several minutes later, Weyalnd corp. attempts to catch an alien but are soon wiped out by aliens and a predator, while the other predator follows the marines.
In the cave, the humans run into a queen alien and 2 Praetorian guards. One predator gets into a fight with the queen, while the other predator fights the praetorians. The humans find a Weyland corp. ship and enter it. The humans leave the planet. The predator fighting the Praetorians dies. It tells the other predator "run" and activates its self-destruct device. The other runs to his ship and leaves the planet. The explosion kills all the aliens. The predator on its ship is then surprised when it sees the queen on his ship. They then battle and the predator sticks an explosive on her and ejects her, she explodes in space. The predator, mortally wounded dies in his ship.
Meanwhile, Mrs. Yutani asks about the aliens, her secretary says that it's unknown what happened on that unknown planet. She asks if there is any ships close by and he says yes, a ship called the "Nostromo". She says good, we still have a chance.
RAWR I need to know more! lol ;D
Yes! Rawr! Xo lmfao
Ok, it's obvious AVPR is yet another disappiotment to a lot of us. Personally I'd rather see Alien 5, but for those who want a third AVP, use this thread to discuss your ideas. I'd go for something like this:
Full Title: AVPE: Alien vs. Predator - Evolution or Alien vs. Predator: AVP3
Directed: Strause Bros, Neil Marshel or David Fincher
Written: A bloody good writer
Music - Elliot Goldenthal
Plot: Mabye something during the events in Aliens or after Resurrection. Small group of people/Marines so we can actually get to know them a little before they get picked off and experienced actors (doesn't matter if they're well known.) Put the creatures in character and have long, brutal, fist fights. Make the fights as intense and edge-of-your seat as possible. No daft dialouge. No scewing with what has been set mythology wise. No catoony gore. No unintentional humour.
I have a few poping in and out my head.
Quote from: War Wager on Jan 20, 2008, 11:06:22 PM
Directed: Strause Bros,
this is where i stoped reading
Here a idea, no AVP3.
I want a prequel!
you don't seriously want a prequel, do you?
Quote from: Eidotemit on Jan 20, 2008, 11:58:35 PM
you don't seriously want a prequel, do you?
why not?
you want to go even farther back in time.... half the problem with these movies is they are set current day IMO.
Prequel doesn't mean necessarily earth! As far as I know the problem is not the year but the place!
If its a prequel, but not on Earth....how will people be there?
and who says i want people in it?
you just wanna watch aliens and preds go at it for over an hour...with no dialogue or characters....
Quote from: luispaulo53 on Jan 21, 2008, 12:46:24 AM
and who says i want people in it?
You can't have 90 minutes of mute men in rubber suits fighting.
i wish you could.
But you can't have prequeal if you have that scene in he end where miiss utani has the plasma caster
Just do the same story as the original comic book AVP by darkhorse comics. Amazing story with focus on humans, preds, and aliens. It's on in space where it needs to be.
The only thing I would add to the story is some major involvment with space marines. Anyways it's a great story where the preds deliberately send alien eggs to various planets to hunt them and one such planet, unbeknownst to them, has a human colony on it.
I agree. I think AVP3 would be best to ignore AVP 1 and 2, and stick more to the comics. As for director, I'd probably pick someone else. My list would be:
1. Roland Emmerich (Stargate, Independance Day)
2. Guillermo del Toro (Blade 2, Pan's Labyrinth, Mimic, Hellboy)
3. Ronny Yu (Freddy Vs. Jason, Fearless)
Feel free to suggest any other directors! ;)
i wannna see a full grown predalien queen and have there be praitoreans and predalien warriors guarding her.
Quote from: xenomorph36 on Jan 20, 2008, 11:24:47 PM
Quote from: War Wager on Jan 20, 2008, 11:06:22 PM
Directed: Strause Bros,
this is where i stoped reading
The Bros clearly have talent, it's the script that pulls the movie down not the directors.
I quite like the name Aliens vs. Predator: Evolution, but ill stick with AVP3
There are quite a few things i can think of that will make AVP3 a seriously exceptional movie (and I'm talking getting major awards and getting movie of the year)
But the only way an AVP movie is ever going to get that is if:
The movie is set in the future,
The movie focuses on what made AVP popular in the first place comics, video games etc.
The director has to be good and in GOOD I'm talking James Cameron, Ridley Scott or Roland Emmerich.
Now, if we have an AVP movie set in the future it will only work well if we go Aliens 2 , Predator 1 style, with....MARINES.
Also, not everyone is going to be happy if we have one predator woning countless aliens, so maybe we can have maybe 2-4 Predators (lets not over do the numbers of predators, because things could get messy for the aliens IMO)
AS for the setting in the future i would like it maybe a few months before Alien, so we can get a climatic tie in with the Nostromo at eh end (who knows?)
I'd like to also have another species of xenomorph introduced:
The Praetorian ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
It will also be cool if Weyland Yutani corp. makes another appearance possibly betraying the main characters because they may have witnesses something the government wants kept quiet. The Weyland Yutani corp. by then they probably would have found the secret to the plasma gun and will have plasma guns of their own.
Thats what i think. Enough there? I've got tonnes more LOL
i have a few good ideas...and when i play them in my head they same amazing....but they prob shit lol
i dont know how to get them down at the minute...bit frusterd and annoyed...get them down in the next few days
how about this
the movie opens the same as alien 3 up until the moment of the escape pod ejecting from the sualaco. the sualaco moves away its fire suppression system works saving most of the ship which includes a couple of alien eggs , a rebel army of ex marines and WY employees who r fighting a secret war againts the company find the verloc drifting and raid it 4 supplies ,they steal the steal the spare dropship (which contains the eggs ) and take to the warzone ,a jungle planet where they battle WY troops ,the planet is also occupied by a clan of preds (pred2 style not avp style) on a hunt.
thats all i can think of so far wat u think
They should go back to using Alien vs. Predator. The plural doesn't sound right to me and they should change the title to something more original. Using the Aliens and Predator fonts make it look cheap and too dependent.
i was actually thinking instead of making another sequel they could do an AVP reboot, kinda like how they did it with the Punisher movies, not a direct sequel but more of a spiritual successor
that way they can ignore most of the BS Anderson and Salerno put into it and we could get something similar to the comics
Queen Alien, Dog Aliens, Colonial Marines and Predators must be in AVP3. Then I would enjoy it, lol. ;D
I thought of a title, if AVP 3 is a good movie, it should be called ALIEN VS PREDATOR: SALVATION
cool scenario ;)
Heres my idea.
Set during Alien 3, or just after Aliens.
Weyland Yutani have gone to LV_426 to investigate what happened during Aliens.
The derelict ship survived the explosion.
They investigate further and are facehugged by surviving eggs inside the derelict.
Shit happens.
Towards the end of the movie we see WY getting word of Ripley on Fury_161.
The events of alien 3 begin to unfold.
The end.
LV_426 is destroyed :-\
in the end of aliens LV_426 explode.
Pred 2 didnt work tho...the problem it had was it still had the 'wts killing everybody?wt cud it possibly be?!' story of predator...so it sucked...shud do what aliens did,ie screw the 'what is it?' n just concentrate on 'what can it do?'
Predator 2 was a decent film and yes they should make an all out action film like it. It set a good pace through out the film with good action and were never get an AVP as good as those films you mentioned. But we wonna like the chacarters and not just have them as cannon fodder.
Both AVP and AVP R characters we never cared for because they weren't interesting enough and we didn't know much about them and plus the dialogue sucked.
No the planet is fine! It was just a big nuclear explosion. That is interesting though the derelict spacecraft may have survived the explosion.
Of coarse if it did then why would they need to clone Ripley in the 4th (worst) movie of the franchise?
okay sorry ;)
Pred 3...thats what is needed!
Agreed, full on action film, lots of Predator society detail start to film in the gaps!
Take the story type with Danny Glover (P2), and the lovely Sanaa Lathem (AvP), put a group of humans in a situation where working with a Predator gives us more of how the Preds do things.
Get Pred 3 out with more Pred information, well would really open the gates for AvP3, to
IMO, AVP3 has to be something like the two flashback scenes we saw in AVP........ but set in the future, and in space. That way they can "send in the Marines"! ;)
Quote from: Hawkmoon on Jan 26, 2008, 10:57:14 PM
Take the story type with Danny Glover (P2), and the lovely Sanaa Lathem (AvP), put a group of humans in a situation where working with a Predator gives us more of how the Preds do things.
no
Quote from: killerpredalien on Jan 26, 2008, 08:48:01 PM
LV_426 is destroyed :-\
in the end of aliens LV_426 explode.
i dont think it blew up the whole planet did it?
i mean only the death star is capable of that.
aliens overrunning the predator homeworld. humans get caught up in the fight. its a simple premise but it works.
perhaps we can get the feeling of the original alien and predator films through a scenario like this:
i was just thinking mabey have a predator hunting humans (the future is what everyone is wanting to see so perhaps colonists hoping to make a colony on a new planet) the film is streatched out a very long time, enough time for there to be a small colony/ basic buildings. the predator watches them for a while waiting for the right victoms. one or two colonists go missing, a search party goes out in the jungle with one of two of our main characters and find skinned bodies hanging upsidedown. not knowing who did this, the search party follows a trail of blood and one of the members of the search party gets taken but is seen by the entire search party. they panic and run and get lost.
while this is happening the main character in the search party has a girlfriend os sister or whatever is back at the colony and unknown to the humans and the predator there is an alien hive on the planet. one of the aliens (H.R gigers alien - biomechanical) infiltraites the colony and starts to kill some of the colonists (theres heaps of colonists and most of the will die) hiding in the air vents (much like alien - very spooky) people split up to search for the missing and some get taken.
back at the jungle, one by one the search party gets killed and our main character (call him john) finally makes it back to the colony where he sees that other chick (call her jesse) running away an behind her is the alien. jesse looks at john on him knees looking at her and the predator de cloaks ready to strike john but sees the alien. he roars and runs to the alien, they have a big battle, the predator wins after a good fight
blah blah blah (movie story continues)
now that the predator knows of the aliens he goes off to find the hive
ending whatever * the predator blows up the hive and lives
* the predator blows up the hive and dies
* the predator fights the queen
i don't know... i don't think this story is good for a MOVIE, perhaps a comic if done right i mean i just thought of it then
Quote from: marrerom on Jan 27, 2008, 05:14:18 AM
aliens overrunning the predator homeworld. humans get caught up in the fight. its a simple premise but it works.
hmmm aliens starting a hive on the predator homeworld..... that would be as easy as freezing ice over a fire ;)
Quote from: ghostly hunter on Jan 27, 2008, 05:27:30 AM
Quote from: marrerom on Jan 27, 2008, 05:14:18 AM
aliens overrunning the predator homeworld. humans get caught up in the fight. its a simple premise but it works.
hmmm aliens starting a hive on the predator homeworld..... that would be as easy as freezing ice over a fire ;)
hahaha so true.. i cant see aliens conquering the predator homeworld.
why not? one predalien beat the living crap out of the best predator alive. and human born aliens are more than a match for regular preds. over running the pred homeworld would relatively easy to do until the preds started dropping nukes.
Quote from: marrerom on Jan 27, 2008, 05:37:23 AM
why not? one predalien beat the living crap out of the best predator alive. and human born aliens are more than a match for regular preds. over running the pred homeworld would relatively easy to do until the preds started dropping nukes.
when you you say the best predator alive are you referring to wolf? if so, wolf isnt even an elder, as far as we know he's just a warrior, hunter or cleaner class.
If the aliens cant conquer Earth, i doubt hey could conquer the Yautja home planet. They would just self destruct once defeated, and kill the predalien anyway.
Quote from: Corporal Harrison on Jan 27, 2008, 09:41:45 AM
when you you say the best predator alive are you referring to wolf?
yep. its been
confirmed through various interviews with the strauses that wolf is the best.
QuoteIf the aliens cant conquer Earth, i doubt hey could conquer the Yautja home planet. They would just self destruct once defeated, and kill the predalien anyway.
so you are saying that the best the pred could do would be to self destruct in attempt to kill the aliens? that confirms that the aliens can infact overrun the pred homeworld. afterall there is no need to selfdestruct unless you've been beaten ;)
anyway you slice it the aliens are more than capable of taking over the pred homeworld and if avp3 is made it should feature this.
Quote from: marrerom on Jan 27, 2008, 09:48:43 AM
Quote from: Corporal Harrison on Jan 27, 2008, 09:41:45 AM
when you you say the best predator alive are you referring to wolf?
yep. its been confirmed through various interviews with the strauses that wolf is the best.
QuoteIf the aliens cant conquer Earth, i doubt hey could conquer the Yautja home planet. They would just self destruct once defeated, and kill the predalien anyway.
so you are saying that the best the pred could do would be to self destruct in attempt to kill the aliens? that confirms that the aliens can infact overrun the pred homeworld. afterall there is no need to selfdestruct unless you've been beaten ;)
anyway you slice it the aliens are more than capable of taking over the pred homeworld and if avp3 is made it should feature this.
what i meant about the slef destruct bit, is if it was defeated by a predalien it would wipe it simply with its self destruct.
Besides, i cant see how an alien couldet there anyway. Im sure a predator wouldnt bring one back unless it was its skull. Just in case a live one escapes and risks there downfall, i believe thats why they take xenomorphs to other planets to hunt them.
Quote from: marrerom on Jan 27, 2008, 05:37:23 AM
why not? one predalien beat the living crap out of the best predator alive. and human born aliens are more than a match for regular preds. over running the pred homeworld would relatively easy to do until the preds started dropping nukes.
not quite mate...... the predalien didn't beat the living crap out of wolf.. it was a stalemate.... and this was without his shoulder canons.... if the predators send ONE predator to wipe out an infestation (including a predalien) then an infestation at the predator homeworld would be a walk in the park for em.
dude they train all their lives to hunt these creatures, they know everything about them
Quotei dont think it blew up the whole planet did it?
i mean only the death star is capable of that.
But then he means that there is aliens on lv_426... :-\
All movies about Aliens and Predators were for cinema.
Maybe will be another format?
Telefilm or TV-pilot? Miniseries or TV-series?
Videofilm?
Animation film? OVA or TV-series?
::) ::) ::)
Quote from: killerpredalien on Jan 26, 2008, 08:48:01 PM
LV_426 is destroyed :-\
in the end of aliens LV_426 explode.
No it didn't.
An "area the size of nebraska"
Was destroyed.
The derelict may have been outside of it's range or been strong enough to withstand the explosion.
Don't worry, the predators wrist nuke will go off directly inside the derelict, destroying it completley.
Quote from: pred_alien on Jan 26, 2008, 11:07:52 PM
Quote from: Hawkmoon on Jan 26, 2008, 10:57:14 PM
Take the story type with Danny Glover (P2), and the lovely Sanaa Lathem (AvP), put a group of humans in a situation where working with a Predator gives us more of how the Preds do things.
no
Agreed.inter-species team ups suck...preds hunt humans,end of!
the only way they could make it scary again is if they focused on the humans, and stayed mostly in their perspective. then they can go back to the "WHERE THE HELL IS IT!" thing
Well we all knew how it'd go only having one Predator and that was the way of fodder Aliens.
A single planet, three warriors' specie.....
The planet LV_327 is an unknown and deserted planet....
She is lived only by extraterrestrial animals...
One day a ship of space-jokeys crashes on this planet freeing a new form of life: THE ALIENS
A group of predators being in the custom to go hunting on this planet wildly make massacre!!!
A surviving predator sends a message has a squade of predators to help him!!
During this time the soldiers of the government receive a message saying that an army of marine has to go on LV_327 for a mission of high importance....
The group of help to predator begins the hunting in aliens to save their brother but the marine also have to clean the planet!!!
A war begins so that the only one of three specie go out victorious!!!!
I think its best what ever happens with the marines or human characters they are trying to escape in the end because there smart enough to let the predator and aliens fight it out.
Quote from: ghostly hunter on Jan 27, 2008, 10:10:43 AM
not quite mate...... the predalien didn't beat the living crap out of wolf.. it was a stalemate.
yes quite. the fight at the end was totally onesided in favor of the predalien. it was stronger and faster. and since aliens are tougher than preds the predalien would have lived through its head wound if the nuke hadnt gone off. wolf on the other hand was totally f**ked.
Quote
if the predators send ONE predator to wipe out an infestation (including a predalien) then an infestation at the predator homeworld would be a walk in the park for em.
dude they train all their lives to hunt these creatures, they know everything about them
seeing as how wolf got his ass kicked in every encounter and ended up failing to kill the aliens its obvious the predator overestimate their alien killing abilities. ;D
I have alot of Ideas. I don't want to say them yet, because they aren't, well.......good.
One of them is that it takes place on a ship (very similar to what the Auriga's interior looked like), so that preds cannot use plasmsa casters. ;D Lol, they'd be screwd over.
Quote from: AvPvTerminator on Jan 27, 2008, 08:36:41 PM
I have alot of Ideas. I don't want to say them yet, because they aren't, well.......good.
One of them is that it takes place on a ship (very similar to what the Auriga's interior looked like), so that preds cannot use plasmsa casters. ;D Lol, they'd be screwd over.
the preds are so stupid that they
would use their plasma casters. just like in avp-r. the ship would crash and they would die.
Quote from: marrerom on Jan 27, 2008, 08:38:46 PM
Quote from: AvPvTerminator on Jan 27, 2008, 08:36:41 PM
I have alot of Ideas. I don't want to say them yet, because they aren't, well.......good.
One of them is that it takes place on a ship (very similar to what the Auriga's interior looked like), so that preds cannot use plasmsa casters. ;D Lol, they'd be screwd over.
the preds are so stupid that they would use their plasma casters. just like in avp-r. the ship would crash and they would die.
Gee, that would be a great movie, Yeahh... ::)
Preds hunt humans... hmm...Preds hunt any species that can fight back!
It's a commun theme in all the films with Preds, heck AvP-R isn't that different in this simple rule.
The Predators tech, there pride is at risk, so in comes 'Wolf' and sorts it out, face/pride call it what you like is saved.
Races working together has options, for all of the negative press the original AvP took, the story following that single line 'The enemy of my enemy is my friend' gave us a thread/story plot point to follow and we enjoyed it as a result.
In Pred 2 Danny Glover was the prey that won, he earned the Preds respect and so was allowed to live.
Same goes for Sanaa, she survived and to boot worked with a Pred to beat the prey/enemy, again her input created some trust or such respect in 'her' Pred he marked her as a member of the clan. In the end she bore the mark, showing the elder Pred she was 'worthy' and was allowed to live, for the same reasons Danny Glovers character was allowed to live.
So why not have some fun with inter species team work?
It's not bad or simply just never going to happen, the Preds worked with humans (apparently) for decades so why not allow Preds to place humans in a 'maybe allies' category rather then simply giving us the label of 'good hunting' or 'soft meat'?
IMO doing this allows the main Alien universe (story) some real legs.
In the Alien universe companies, not the government, have real power, love it or hate it, if there was no Alien story there would be no Predator story.
No male version of Ripley in 'todays' world fighting for survival against a seemingly impossible foe.
No chance for the makers of Pred 2 to have some fun with the viewer and producers of Alien by placing an Alien skull on the trophy wall!
Pred 2 AvP shows the involvement of Preds in human history, AvP gave a more profound effect of there influence on our history, so why not build on that some more.
Only difference being that the Yutani corporation can be used to screw this infant co-operation between humans and Preds.
Preds culture is given to us in the interaction, and then destroyed, putting humans back on the hunt list.
Giving some real pace desire in the capture of the Alien weapon which is still happening in the Alien universe Alien 1 2-3-4 (maybe even 5 if it gets a chance)
Pred 2 showed us as did AvP and AvP-R that the Predator race have a clan structure, the use of Wolf in AvP-R shows us that they are not simply hunters, they feel they have a responsibility to ...to ...other races, time to expand that and show they are not 100% barbaric killers, with a ruff rule set, but a real culture, an appreciation even understanding of 'others', but our greed messes up!! and shows them we are not ready roll on Pred 4 and/or AvP 3 or more.
The thing I've been wishing since I played AVP 1, timeline of Aliens, colonial marines, in space, revisit the Dierlict.
I agree, having the colonial marines back would kik ass !
Preds are a bit of an enigma, we don't have enough info on them other than the games and some well meaning comics.
(I really don't mean anything negative to the comics, all are good, but to use a phrase I distrust there NOT cannon)
I sometimes look at Predator Predator as a kinda like an Alien remake, the heroine was changed to hero. The crew a unit, the mission was a rescue rather than logistics, the bad guy still lost, there was still a human victor.
Hollywood/Fox who ever simply has to expand the Predator story some more. It is that simple, use of marines, please use the marines, put loads of them in a situation trying to survive, ahve a rescue that saves a Pred or two, build on that unstable trust kill the real bad guys.
Don't get me wrong I'm not suggesting that a humans are great film come out of this, or anything, I kinda like the idea that we can and well maybe we should loose, take us humans down a peg or two.
Like I say have the Yutani corperation screw up this trust!!!
im getting there....any thought on the name of the spaceport planet? Im taking suggestions, i can't seem to get a good name for the planet. ? ???
You can rip one out of Dune
Giedi Prime
Quote from: bonafide1498 on Jan 05, 2008, 05:57:33 AM
Just a brainstorm I had today about AVP3.....main overview......
The movie is set in the future sometime between Aliens and alien 3. It starts off on the Predator home world. The predators want control of an abandoned human planet because it is a prime location for a civilization, as there planet is becoming over populated. An Elder predator sends clans of predator warriors to the planet to exterminate an infestation of Aliens, primarily one main "nest" . When the first clan fails, (creating hybrids on the planet) The Elder decides to send an elite clan of predator warriors (3 warriors) to infiltrate the nest and make the planet inhabitable. The bulk of the story takes place inside the alien nest on the barren abandoned human planet that is now infested with a large nest of Aliens(xenomorphs) ( all different kinds) and pred-alien hybrids. The planet was once a thriving spaceport but somehow a shipment of alien eggs was taken to the planet after the Yutani Corp discovered them and was shipping them back to be studied. The eggs hatched and the chaos insures..... Aliens take over the planet and kill all the humans living there. This planet is much like Mars in looks. Red-ish colored sandy soil. Lots of Rocks and a barren feeling. Only an abandoned settlement and caves and mountainous Rocky terrain can be seen.
The 3 main characters are predator elites. 1 massive and muscular named "Bull". The bull predator is HUGE in appearance.(approx. 7.5-8ft tall, 400-500 lbs)He has a bulky, rugged, battle scarred helmet. His armor is rugged and looks like pounded metal with dents, and spikes all over it. His Shoulder pad armor adorns large spikes that he uses for shoulder charging and ramming enemies. He loves hand to hand combat over the laser cannon. He is equipped with 2 large wrist blades, and large cannon. His primary weapon is a spear that looks like a sledge hammer on one end. He's all power and brute force. Very intimidating presence. A badass with an attitude. A little reckless at times because he is more primal and goes on instinct rather than smarts. Brawls and loves to fight.
The other 2 predators are normal sized predators. The Smartest and most noble of them is their leader named "Razor". The Razor predator is a cunning leader and a slicer/dicer. He is very fast with his hands and likes to use his stealth to get in close so he can cause damage. A smart warrior he prefers to clean up with his cannon first. He sports normal armor and has some extra additions including razor like blades along the outside of his forearms and elbow blades(like Guyver). His helmet is sharp.....literally. Much like the super shredders helmet in TMNT2. Its jagged and sharp around the outside and covered in small sharp shards.(like hell raiser).The Razor Predators main weapon is a new predator hand-held retractable blade. It is Half-Moon shaped and very sharp. He also uses his shoulder cannon, throwing blade and net launcher weapon. His wrist blade is normal on one side and a single, long wide blade on the other.(much like a broadsword, just shorter). A very formidable predator warrior.
The Final warrior in the saga is known as "Kameleon" or "shadow" predator. He is a very cunning and intelligent warrior preferring to use the advanced predator technology and weaponry and stealth to do the job as opposed to physical confrontation, especially with pred-aliens. He likes to plan and strategize the game plan of the clan before they hunt. His nature is to set mines, and traps to kill as many aliens as possible from the shadows. He sports a multi-colored "camo" reptile like skin and also has camo on his helmet and armor. His cloak is highly advanced. He can blend in flawlessly anywhere. His armor is sleek smooth and futuristic looking. His weapons are mainly traps, mines, bombs, and blue "erase" liquid, which he sprays out of some of his traps. He sports a normal plasma cannon on one side and a cannon launcher on the other side. Carries lots of traps and gizmos. Likes to stay cloaked and hidden striking from the shadows. Not as strong physically as the other warriors in the clan, he makes up for it with brains and tech skills.
My head is full of ideas now...........Im gonna write this thing!
Actually sounds really good, I like the razr guy. ;)
W00t bumpzorz, need some more info prease! ;D
Yeah, damn bumpzorz your on a roll. o.0
More nobody have no idea for the scenario??? :-\
:(
Just wondering for anyone, if they want something in AVP3, please unleash it in this thread. I will try to incorporate it into a possible novel so maybe eveyone will enjoy.
If people have been thinking of gory scenes,mention them here so i can be gory. Any battles also mention them as well as possible storylines and characters
CHEERS
ABOUT TIME SOMEBODY STARTED THIS THREAD. Anyways maybe have the humans visit the Predator home planet? Or the Predators adapt their technology to be used by humans and then they go hunt Aliens together? Maybe go to the Alien home planet and tell the story of their origin?
The final scene would be Predators and humans fighting along side each other with the humans using Predator technology and then there are too many Aliens and both Predator and human activate their nuclear self-destruct device.
I also wrote this in the News section of the Forum and decided to place it here.
Any ideas for:
1. Storylines
2. Weapons
3. Battles
4. Locations
5. Titles
Anything else, any gory ideas, will be fantastic. I will be in space or on a Alien or Predator planet
CHEERS
1. Storylines:
Future. About 2500 year. Human scout squad found native planet of Aliens, but there is time of hunting for Predator.
2. Weapons:
Scouts have marine weapons from Aliens, but look as troopers of special squad from Alien 3. Predator has weapons from Predator 2.
3. Battles:
There are no battles. Predators as hunters are not warriors. Hunting is not fighting.
4. Locations:
Native planet (please, don't create them as jockey's weapon, they should be jockey's find only) of Aliens, ancient star fortress of Space Jockeys (probably), spaceship of human scouts.
5. Titles:
Aliens versus Predator: Legacy... Aliens versus Predator: Deadly Find... or something also...
Quote5. Titles:
Aliens versus Predator: Legacy... Aliens versus Predator: Deadly Find... or something also...
Aliens vs Predators- Decide.
Something like Starcraft did. StarCraft: Brood War sounds cool, something like that would work.
Aliens vs Predators- Flesh Wound...
Aliens vs Predator 3: War-Hunt
Quote from: Warmaster Jedi on Mar 01, 2008, 01:25:14 PM
Aliens vs Predator 3: War-Hunt
If the war is equal of the hunt, I'm the knight of Jedi. :-[
a good director and writers to make AVP3 more suspense and action.
Quote from: LAHUNT on Feb 27, 2008, 08:18:17 AM
Or the Predators adapt their technology to be used by humans and then they go hunt Aliens together?
'
Aliens Versus Predator - Special Widescreen Romantic Comedy Edition'
1. Storylines:
Earth, a giant hive of over 1'000'000 Aliens and thousands of Preds with humans stuck on Mars like in my Alien Versus Predator Survival of the Fiercest fan fic, eventually a bunch of USCM are sent in to kill them once and for all (without a nuke or giant bomb)
2. Weapons:
Pred weapons from P1, P2, AvP and AvP:R
USCM weapons from Aliens
3. Battles:
Lots of battles between Aliens and Preds and eventually Marines
4. Locations:
Earth & Mars
5. Titles:
AvP3: Survival of the Fiercest
Humans in the timeline of Aliens go to a planet in the far reaches of space just found. They set up a colony and within a few weeks the colony has been without contact. Marines are sent into find out what happened. The base has been blown up by some sort of explosive. Later in the ruins, the marines find a dead Predator, then keep traveling and run across an alien hive in an ancient Predator city, the marines later find out this is the Predator homeworld and they need to find a way off the planet. The lone Predator goes to the alien overun city to wipe out all the aliens, and the marines.
Story: Humans find an unknown planet around the time Aliens take place, but about 2 weeks after the colony is built, contact is lost. Marines sent in to find base destroyed, they find ancient Pred city overun by aliens (This is Pred homeworld), Pred is sent to take care of them all.
Weapons: Pred uses P1 Plasma cannon, wristblades, Energy Fletchte, Spear, Whip, hand cannon, speargun. Marines use any weapons from Aliens.
Battles: At least 5 between the marines and aliens while they try to get off the planet. 6 beteen the Pred and aliens, 1 between marines and Pred, and then at last, the Marines vs. the Queen.
Locations: Pred homeworld, marine ship
Titles: AVP 3: Elite Warrior
I think it should be called
Aliens and Predators on a Plane!
With of coarse Samuel L Jackson.
^ That would be awsome. :D
My Ideas
* The movie is directed by Paul Verhoeven (Robocop, Starship troopers)
* The Strause's as the Producers
* The Budget of 89,000,000
* Make it take place in Space
* Make it take place in the year 2207 (After Alien 3 and before Alien Resurrection)
* It make it based on the Colonial Marines
* Have Michael Herr (The co-wrote the screenplay from Full Metal Jacket) to write the Screenplay
* Some good actors
* R Rated
Somebody move this to important threads. The producers actually read this and get ideas from fan forums.
Quote from: LAHUNT on Mar 07, 2008, 10:00:23 PM
Somebody move this to important threads. The producers actually read this and get ideas from fan forums.
You haven't been around for long have you? ::)
i want a jungle scene of preds and aliens fighting in the jungle theres accessabilities to hybrid aliens and i want faster preds strong and with speed an athletic pred and better battles avp2 was ok they could have did better but it was good
i want more face hugger action. and show the preds hunting the aliens instead of fighting them
Alien bodies redone.
Shane fired.
Idea just occured to me of a news report regarding the alarmingly high number of reports of alien abductions in the last few weeks.
Then we see someone actually get abducted by something.
Next we see the guy gettin stuff into a cyro tube on board a pred ship. the camera pans out and shows alot of these tubes.
This gives us a way of the aliens existing, but it gives us some people around to provide dialogue too
The pred ship blasts away to another planet, drops its cargo and the facehuggers start impregnating.
Then the preds hunt the aliens....actually hunt them,think predator 1 but replace arnie and his boys with xeno's
predators use scar's body to clone another scar, but don't get it right until the 7th time, and even then, its an aliedator (mostly predator, but with a tail and claws and inner mouth) from having the chestburster inside. he gets loose on the ship and breaks his more alien buddies out. then all the other predators have to get off the ship. and the aliedator makes a sweet behind the back basketball shot at the end of the movie and says the eff word instead of fork and takes out everyone super easy, flying through the air doing a bicycle kick in super slow motion. it will be in such slow motion, it will take up most of the movie. but it will be so sweet to see his every move and spit flying out of mouths and blood spraying everywhere and heads getting crushed and arms broken and bodies flying apart that no one will care. done deal. i almost forgot - he'll have a bad ass motorcycle too that he pulls wheelies on and runs over stuff, and a huge kitana sword (like 6 feet long), and he'll steal from the rich predators and give to the poor ones.
Alex Proyas or Paul Verhoeven to direct
A Good story
Tons of action
A good budget
R rated
A good story.
Decent actors.
No more new "additions" to the Xenomorph species.
The actual head design from Aliens.
Predators related to the first two films facing off against Aliens.
I'm not really sure exactly what I want, but I do know this: I do not want another AVPR ending. That was a really dumb way to end it. I would also like to see the Predalien again.
I've said it before and I'll say it again.
I want a predator hunting party on a planet full of aliens trying to capture a queen alive.
The planet should be cold, dead, and black.
There should be about 20 or so predators and thousands of aliens.
Maybe throw in a crew of smugglers that crash landed on the planet
for a human aspect.
The predators should have all of the old weapons as well as an arsenal of new stuff
like larger plasma casters, cluster bombs, napalm, etc, etc.
There should be limited human dialouge.
The movie should be two hours of aliens and predators
ripping each other apart.
I know there is another AVP3 thread floating around somewhere but this is so important I had to start another thread here. Because the producers actually read fan feedback and we can effect the outcome of AVP3 if there is one. So please come here to share some ideas for what you would like to see in AVP3 and please no more trash talk about how bad the first 2 were.
Actually I was disappointed in the 1st AVP but after I saw AVP-R I went back to see the first one and it was better! Then I went back to read the comics and then watch both the movies again and it was even better. I think you have to be a true fan and pay attention to all the details to really enjoy the 2 AVPs. Pause the movie and look at all the details in the costumes, rewatch the fight scenes and go read the comics by Darkhorse if you have not. I think they did a decent job on AVP and AVP-R and when AVP3 is released it will complete the story and like the Matrix series be pretty good overall.
I predict AVP3 will take place right after AVP-R because AVP-R takes place right after AVP. I think they wrote all 3 movies already and were planning on making trilogy. AVP3 has to be a mind blowing movie and really fu**n far out. What you guys think about return of the Alexa Woods?
So to all the people who think the first 2 AVPs are sh** what would you like to see happen in AVP3 to make you happy?????
AVP3 needs to cut itself from the previous movies completely. And this doesn't deserve its own thread.
I agree. *Searches for What do you want in AvP3? thread*
EDIT: http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=15603.0
Quote from: Purebreedalien on Mar 08, 2008, 08:53:04 AM
Quote from: LAHUNT on Mar 07, 2008, 10:00:23 PM
Somebody move this to important threads. The producers actually read this and get ideas from fan forums.
You haven't been around for long have you? ::)
Purebreedalien please explain?
Quote from: Nihilus on Mar 12, 2008, 07:18:09 PM
I've said it before and I'll say it again.
I want a predator hunting party on a planet full of aliens trying to capture a queen alive.
The planet should be cold, dead, and black.
There should be about 20 or so predators and thousands of aliens.
Maybe throw in a crew of smugglers that crash landed on the planet
for a human aspect.
The predators should have all of the old weapons as well as an arsenal of new stuff
like larger plasma casters, cluster bombs, napalm, etc, etc.
There should be limited human dialouge.
The movie should be two hours of aliens and predators
ripping each other apart.
I would only see it if it was directed artfully.
Just give me an adaptation of the game AvP2 with some tweaks here and here, and I'm happy.
Quote from: Alienseseses on Mar 21, 2008, 05:31:44 PM
Quote from: Nihilus on Mar 12, 2008, 07:18:09 PM
I've said it before and I'll say it again.
I want a predator hunting party on a planet full of aliens trying to capture a queen alive.
The planet should be cold, dead, and black.
There should be about 20 or so predators and thousands of aliens.
Maybe throw in a crew of smugglers that crash landed on the planet
for a human aspect.
The predators should have all of the old weapons as well as an arsenal of new stuff
like larger plasma casters, cluster bombs, napalm, etc, etc.
There should be limited human dialouge.
The movie should be two hours of aliens and predators
ripping each other apart.
I would only see it if it was directed artfully.
Think of it if it was done right though, I'm sure critics would love it. If you can do dances with wolves, you can do AVP3.
AVP3 is coming, so what do you guys want to see in AVP3
Predators and Aliens sitting down to tea to discuss why it is there can't be a good script written for them; something that gives them the motivation to "be Alien" or "be Predator".
My list
1) A good designs for the Aliens
2) Have Stan Winston back
3) A good designs for the Predators
4) Have 5 Predators in the movie
5) Have the Alien Queen back
6) Have the Elder Predator return
7) Make it take place in Space
8 ) R Rated
9) Alex Proyas as the director (Just See Dark City and I, Robot if you know what i mean ;))
10) Michael Herr (Full Metal Jacket) to write the screenplay.
11) Make it based on the Colonial Marines
12) Have it take place in the Predator homeworld as well
13) Some good actors (Not big name Hollywood actors like Tom Cruise or The Rock)
Space, or otherworldly setting.
Characters we can give a shit about.
R-rated violence.
Intersting story.
MINIMAL use of CGI on the creatures.
...Truthfully, I'll be happy if we get that... and those are pretty high expectations, considering...
I'd like to see John C. Mcginly in the next movie.
I think he would be perfect
Since they are gonna go ahead and make the stinker anyways. Maybe we can have at least 1 good actor in it.
I'd also like to see the connection explained between Yutani and Weyland. Since they opened that door might as well go in.
And Finally, I'd like to see them finally get the Predators face correct! I dont see why they keep screwing it up? Two movies later and we still cant get it right? Also I dont know what you did to the aliens but you screwed up fix it!
Stan Winston
He is the man for the franchise... you know giger did the first alien, but Winston did the second and the powerfull alienqueen.... BUT ABOVE ALL... he made the PREDATOR. so he is the one that must MUST come back for us fans shut our mouths about their desing and reality.
its said that its going to be in space so thats good...
--- maybe something i would like to see is 2 "master" predator figthing a big mean alien queen (like in the aliens vs. predator -4 playeres- arcade game) i mean something like while one predator is been kick around by the queen his partner comes around and counter the attack with the speed of the frist predator we he kills apollo creed.
Quote from: rchin1 on Mar 22, 2008, 01:33:59 AM
AVP3 is coming, so what do you guys want to see in AVP3
wheres the proof/evidence? for this?
Scary, realistic, threatening aliens.
Though I guess I can already cross that off my list if you know what I mean.
Quote from: Pvt. Hicks on Mar 22, 2008, 05:54:20 AM
Scary, realistic, threatening aliens.
Though I guess I can already cross that off my list if you know what I mean.
dont be so sure the BS will be involved. after all anderson got the boot and his movie did better.
Quote from: killzonewith bladesandteet on Mar 22, 2008, 02:07:58 AM
Predators and Aliens sitting down to tea to discuss why it is there can't be a good script written for them; something that gives them the motivation to "be Alien" or "be Predator".
LOL nice one man ;D ;D
I'd like to see an expanded mythology that the first AVP set up.I thought it was quite nice.
Have it take place maybe a few years after AVPR in a huge (and I mean huge) army base.
Have both cleaner Predators and bad blood predators in it.
Have more then on Queen/hive of Aliens.
Good characters
Unpradictable fight sequences (sort of like Celtic Vs Grid, only more like and AVPR fight)
Humans being hunted by Predators.
A cliffhanger leading directly into a space-set movie.
Equal number of Aliens and Predators (3, 4 tops of each species).
Make the Aliens act more like individuals (they are not raptors, they don't have to go in packs all the time). Give them character traits (like what Anderson did with the Grid Alien). And oh god, please make them smart.
No Queen.
Have badass fights that for x reason get interrumpted and either species (or both) have to retreat.
No supah predator (I'd love to see a fight between an alien and a predator, the predator dying, while another pred arrives as does another alien, and have the predator slowly retreat as he's not taking any chances).
Other-wordly setting - a la LV-426.
Interesting human characters.
No team up.
No Sebastian explaining.
No pizza boy.
No Predalien.
No Dallas using predator cannon.
I could go on with the no's :D
- Alien design much closer to the first 2 Alien-movies, ie. the bio-mechanical look.
- Bring back Stan Winston - this alone would place automatic faith in both the Alien and Predator designs being right.
- A "balanced" number of both Aliens and Predators. ie, not one against all.
- Set the story in space. Maybe nice to have it take place in the Aliens/Alien3 era.
- Some "well known" actors. If you have a famous lead actor, you're more inclined to care about them for a start.
- Much bigger budget. The studio should look at all the money they earnt on the previous 2 AVP films and invest it into the next one, rather than try and get away with things on a small budget again.
- Film in anamorphic. It's higher quality and just looks better.
I like to see the Elder Predator figth a Alien Queen. I want to see how powerfull the Elder Predator is.
Quote from: Ratchetcomand on Mar 22, 2008, 03:56:35 PM
I like to see the Elder Predator figth a Alien Queen. I want to see how powerfull the Elder Predator is.
Amen to that. It'd be classic. ;)
I just want to see how powerfull a Elder Predator can be. All the elder does is walk around and does nothing.
Just because he's an Elder, it shouldn't be a walk in the park for him I hope. Sure, he's really experienced and got more Trophies than the average Predator, but an Alien Queen is still in a total different league.
Quote from: Ratchetcomand on Mar 22, 2008, 05:52:07 PM
I just want to see how powerfull a Elder Predator can be. All the elder does is walk around and does nothing.
That and the fact it always has to be flanked by dozens of guards, signifies its best days are over. :)
It's earned the right to be in that position, but probably has medical difficulties.
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Mar 22, 2008, 11:54:37 PM
Quote from: Ratchetcomand on Mar 22, 2008, 05:52:07 PM
I just want to see how powerfull a Elder Predator can be. All the elder does is walk around and does nothing.
That and the fact it always has to be flanked by dozens of guards, signifies its best days are over. :)
It's earned the right to be in that position, but probably has medical difficulties.
I was sorta thinking that might be the case too... I was holding my tongue though. :P
I could be cool if they made it seem that way by their calm attitudes and lack of involvement in battle.... but then all of the sudden, one of them is pressured to open a can of whoop-ass, and surprises us all by doing so.
well, first of all, it would need more marketing. posibly FOX could market it like they did with Star Wars Ep. 3 by playing the previous Star Wars movies but AVP and AVPR
The 2800068'th thread about this?
Quote from: Chocolate man! on Mar 23, 2008, 05:27:36 AM
Quote from: Alienseseses on Mar 23, 2008, 04:13:54 AM
The 2800068'th thread about this?
No, the third.
Naw theres been more than 3.
Alienesses is right. Perhaps we should wait and see what happens.
Quote from: Richman678 on Mar 23, 2008, 05:59:44 AM
Quote from: Chocolate man! on Mar 23, 2008, 05:27:36 AM
Quote from: Alienseseses on Mar 23, 2008, 04:13:54 AM
The 2800068'th thread about this?
No, the third.
Naw theres been more than 3.
Alienesses is right. Perhaps we should wait and see what happens.
Eh, I've only seen 3: 'What would you want to see in AVP 3?', 'AVP3' and AVP galaxy user rection to AVP3.' Unless you include the ones about the Alien homeworld.
Quote from: Richman678 on Mar 23, 2008, 05:59:44 AM
Quote from: Chocolate man! on Mar 23, 2008, 05:27:36 AM
Quote from: Alienseseses on Mar 23, 2008, 04:13:54 AM
The 2800068'th thread about this?
No, the third.
Naw theres been more than 3.
Alienesses is right. Perhaps we should wait and see what happens.
It's not Alienesses. It's Alienseseses. :D
Quote from: Alienseseses on Mar 23, 2008, 01:17:24 PM
Quote from: Richman678 on Mar 23, 2008, 05:59:44 AM
Quote from: Chocolate man! on Mar 23, 2008, 05:27:36 AM
Quote from: Alienseseses on Mar 23, 2008, 04:13:54 AM
The 2800068'th thread about this?
No, the third.
Naw theres been more than 3.
Alienesses is right. Perhaps we should wait and see what happens.
It's not Alienesses. It's Alienseseses. :D
yeah i figured i misspelled it.
sorry
Pronounced Alien-sis-sis-sis.
I'm the third sequel to Aliens.
Quote from: LAHUNT on Mar 21, 2008, 05:25:18 PM
Quote from: Purebreedalien on Mar 08, 2008, 08:53:04 AM
Quote from: LAHUNT on Mar 07, 2008, 10:00:23 PM
Somebody move this to important threads. The producers actually read this and get ideas from fan forums.
You haven't been around for long have you? ::)
Purebreedalien please explain?
I don't even remember writing that... I must've went to get a drink or something, my bro probably read the thing you said and put that up. Sorry for the inconvenience. I don't think that he believes that movie guys come onto forums by what he said.
I want to see a whole new take on the AVP concept. Forget about the previous two and start all over again.
I want to see an AVP movie similar to the original "Alien": a small crew being hunted down not by one, but by two alien species, with more exciting, longer and more violent encounters between the two. Also I want see again the idea of a 3 Predator hunting party, but composed of experienced hunters. As for the Aliens, I want to see a more vicious, intelligent and blood-thirsty creature, a true nightmare, similar to what we had in the first three movies.
Oh, and lose the damn A:R alien design, for crying out loud! Go back to the bio-mechanical look from the first two movies.
Make aliens with the viscousness of A3 and the looks of Aliens.
Quote from: MST3Kfan on Mar 23, 2008, 04:40:31 PM
I want to see a whole new take on the AVP concept. Forget about the previous two and start all over again.
I want to see an AVP movie similar to the original "Alien": a small crew being hunted down not by one, but by two alien species, with more exciting, longer and more violent encounters between the two. Also I want see again the idea of a 3 Predator hunting party, but composed of experienced hunters. As for the Aliens, I want to see a more vicious, intelligent and blood-thirsty creature, a true nightmare, similar to what we had in the first three movies.
Oh, and lose the damn A:R alien design, for crying out loud! Go back to the bio-mechanical look from the first two movies.
While the idea is good it just simply wont work right.
Why would the predators hunt the humans when theres aliens running around.
while the aliens would hunt down both species, because thats their nature.
So the best way to do the movie would be for the human space crew to stumble upon some type of alien zoo or perhaps research lab where the preds test out new breeds of aliens to create the ultimate hunt.
of coarse those meddling humans accidently release one, or its already over run with aliens by the time they get there.
Now this is important. Either way the preds know the facility is done for so rather than go on site they nuke the whole place from orbit (only way to be sure) Because going down would be stupid, and they are not a stupid race of aliens.
after that maybe a few aliens escape with the humans and the preds track them down.
throw in some fights with preds killing aliens because the Aliens will be the Preds only concern!!!!!(unless a human attacks one of them)
end it however you want but the humans should be from the Weyland yutani....and at least one of the survivors is the asshole type who makes a note of everything.
keynote adding the space jocky would be a mistake in my opinion, but if they do it then they do pave the road for alien.
even bigger note while at this research station the humans look at some of the specimens and figure out the characteristics of each alien...that way shit is explained! and people will not question the lifecycle of the alien
*edit* or you could say its not even a predator research facility but the space jocky's who greet the humans in and explain everything to them....then the preds show up to try and steal the eggs.(because they are out more than likely) and the jockys flee with the last remaining eggs they have.
All while the humans try and decide wether to kill the aliens or the one asshole wants to steal them (obviously fails but sees the direction the jocky's ship goes to.....so he makes a journal note at the end for the company to start searching all planets in that direction.....years later they pinpoint where its at and send the cyborg Ash to collect specimens...he manages to sneak on a mining vessel as their science officer...and then Alien starts
the end :)
That's a pretty cool idea, except the Space Jokeys gretting the humans, because they shouldn't beable to speak english.
Quote from: Chocolate man! on Mar 23, 2008, 08:53:00 PM
That's a pretty cool idea, except the Space Jokeys gretting the humans, because they shouldn't beable to speak english.
That's an easy fix just have them say they have an automatic translater, or they have devices implanted in the humans because when they first make contact they put the human ship to sleep by hacking in and turning the oxygen levels down till they pass out
Quote from: Richman678 on Mar 23, 2008, 09:51:15 PM
Quote from: Chocolate man! on Mar 23, 2008, 08:53:00 PM
That's a pretty cool idea, except the Space Jokeys gretting the humans, because they shouldn't beable to speak english.
That's an easy fix just have them say they have an automatic translater, or they have devices implanted in the humans because when they first make contact they put the human ship to sleep by hacking in and turning the oxygen levels down till they pass out
I see. hmm, I like the idea, but alot of Alien fans would get pissed off at even a glimpse of a space Joky.
Quote from: Chocolate man! on Mar 24, 2008, 12:59:30 AM
Quote from: Richman678 on Mar 23, 2008, 09:51:15 PM
Quote from: Chocolate man! on Mar 23, 2008, 08:53:00 PM
That's a pretty cool idea, except the Space Jokeys gretting the humans, because they shouldn't beable to speak english.
That's an easy fix just have them say they have an automatic translater, or they have devices implanted in the humans because when they first make contact they put the human ship to sleep by hacking in and turning the oxygen levels down till they pass out
I see. hmm, I like the idea, but alot of Alien fans would get pissed off at even a glimpse of a space Joky.
oh i know im an alien fan! But im already pissed as it is with the way 2 directors have wrecked the aliens
trust me im already pissed...i dont see how it could get worse. (yes i knocked on wood)
first Anderson sped it up, and then the brothers twisted it and totally f@cked it up.
the aliens in the 2nd movie were completly horrible too (including Chet!)
I want to see a remake-sequel hybrid just like Evil Dead 2 was.
I want to see R rated. The story takes place in New York and more gore. And I'm expecting tons of killings and much more better story line.
My friend opinion.
My friend thinks the movies suck balls and he dosn't think there should be another sequal.
Quote from: Ultimate111 on Mar 25, 2008, 06:02:31 PM
I want to see R rated. The story takes place in New York and more gore. And I'm expecting tons of killings and much more better story line.
My friend opinion.
My friend thinks the movies suck balls and he dosn't think there should be another sequal.
So, everybody complained that AVPR was in a country town allowing lots of people to see Aliens before Alien, but you want to correctthis by setting it in New York?
A future New York City setting would be cool.
I would like to see it on a human space station one for studying alien tech or the alien's here's my idea the predator's are passing this station undetected and they get a signal from the gun that wolf avpr's predator lost. There are frozen alien egg's on the station the predator's smash into the place the egg's hatch kill humans and predator's alike take a scene from alien's and send in the marine's and a new group of predator's predaliens and the queen are all in it but the predalien's don't plant eggs my opinion avp:r predalien was a queen predator hybrid that is my idea don't be harsh :'(
i like that idea. you need to add that one human had stayed alive and managed to capture a young predalien...and has been studying it while waiting on rescue.
I don't want to see Predalien. I want to see the Queen return.
if i had to choose id pick a queen
Quote from: predator elite on Mar 25, 2008, 09:11:02 PM
I would like to see it on a human space station one for studying alien tech or the alien's here's my idea the predator's are passing this station undetected and they get a signal from the gun that wolf avpr's predator lost. There are frozen alien egg's on the station the predator's smash into the place the egg's hatch kill humans and predator's alike take a scene from alien's and send in the marine's and a new group of predator's predaliens and the queen are all in it but the predalien's don't plant eggs my opinion avp:r predalien was a queen predator hybrid that is my idea don't be harsh :'(
That's actually a really cool idea.
So... Aliens, with Predators in it? :-\
people have weird idea in this forum about a new "avp" ::)
Maybe AvP:R closed the franchise and no more avp will be great.
Weyland Yutani
---END OF TRANSMISSION--
I would rather enjoy watching paint dry than sit through another lackluster Alien Versus Predator..ding dong!
Quote from: Richman678 on Mar 26, 2008, 02:04:27 AM
if i had to choose id pick a queen
that's the thing the predalien dosent lay egg's in people in this 1 in avp-r in my opinion it was a queen egg that was in scar and that is why it lays egg's in people in my idea they are just crossed breeds between predator and alien.And if you don't like the idea that wolf's gun on the station then the gear that the predator lost in predator 2 (the helmet the spear and half his forearm)is on the station as well so the queen will be in this one
I still hate the new lifecycle plan of the Predalien. It just dosnt seem right to me, and it dosnt seem to go with the pre-existing outlook of the alien cycle. I honestly feel that 1 scene had turned the franchise from a serious horror/sci-fi/action genre....to campy stupid gory picture show.(in other words a stupid B popcorn flick)
Ill never let AVP-R down for that. Totally ruined the image of both franchises.
I don't know... I think the new aspect of the predalien's reproductive cycle seems like something Giger might come up with. It does fit with the oral rape symbolism that made up the original creature designs.
I'd to get Stan Winston back along with ILM, with Mark Wahlberg or Will Smith as the main actor. In terms of creatures, smooth-headed Aliens along with at LEAST 6 Predators and one Predalien.
well it could get a whole lot worse.
Quote from: Richman678 on Mar 26, 2008, 04:04:14 PM
I still hate the new lifecycle plan of the Predalien. It just dosnt seem right to me, and it dosnt seem to go with the pre-existing outlook of the alien cycle. I honestly feel that 1 scene had turned the franchise from a serious horror/sci-fi/action genre....to campy stupid gory picture show.(in other words a stupid B popcorn flick)
Ill never let AVP-R down for that. Totally ruined the image of both franchises.
Ehh, I actually realyl like the Predalien's life cycle. Aliens are usually used on humans right? SO it's pretty safe to assume that the Predators made ALiens especially for Humans or Aliens originally were born andgrew on Earth. So when you use an Alien on something other then a human, your likely to get odd results (Dog Alien ran really fast, Queen Predalien had Dreadlocks and planting embryos in people's mouths herself.) In fact, I really liked it.
Ps- I just watched that Gingerman movie trailer. Is that supposed to be shit, or is that an accident?
Quote from: Richman678 on Mar 26, 2008, 05:28:13 PM
well it could get a whole lot worse.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UiWyiA77qzg
Is that even a real movie? It looks so bad that it awesome.
Quote from: Ratchetcomand on Mar 26, 2008, 07:44:08 PM
Quote from: Richman678 on Mar 26, 2008, 05:28:13 PM
well it could get a whole lot worse.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UiWyiA77qzg
Is that even a real movie? It looks so bad that it awesome.
Totally real. I bought a copy. It was horrible... but I now have a movie on my shelf called The Gingerdead Man. That ALONE is worth the $15 I payed for it. They're also coming out with a sequel called Gingerdead Man 2: The Passion of the Crust.
Did this movie came out in the 80's or something? Because it sure looks like it.
2005... That's Full Moon Productions for ya... People who call AVP-R the worst film ever made need to see more from that company.
Wow it cameout in 2005, i never seen anything this bad in my life.
QuoteDog Alien ran really fast
And yet it rarely caught anyone by chasing them.
Not
that fast.
Quote from: Ratchetcomand on Mar 26, 2008, 09:51:49 PM
Wow it cameout in 2005, i never seen anything this bad in my life.
That was so funny it was bad.
oh man and it has Gary busey in it
You don't get better than that
oh and he wasnt lieing.
Behold I give you Gingerdead man 2: The Passion of the Crust
http://www.joblo.com/video/arrow/player.php?video=ginger2
The unity of Weyland-Yutani/some kind of covert plot involving the company, so as it's still believable that the mass majority doesn't know the alien exists. An ending that leads in to "Alien". An improvement on how the alien is portrayed in these films/should be shown to be more cunning. Maybe focus on one single drone stalking and successfully killing or cacooning potential hosts. A small, maybe 7 man mercenary crew hired to do a job. A full hive, with queen originating from work done by single drone. A clan hunt. A praetorian. Dark, wet, claustriphobic corridors. A dark ending, to kind of drive home the point that survival is rare when encountering either one of these creatures. The aliens should definitely survive in one manner or another, if just to show how durable and potentially unstoppable there species is. For balance purposes, possibly let a lone predator survive the clan hunt, but be badly wounded in the encounter. Give us some REAL human characters, people we can latch on to, then take them from us ever so dramatically. Pretty much take "Alien", and "Aliens", take what worked so well for those movies, implement some strong predator references with it, and make a new story.
Quote from: SM on Mar 26, 2008, 10:59:13 PM
QuoteDog Alien ran really fast
And yet it rarely caught anyone by chasing them.
Not that fast.
Really fast compared to the other ALiens.
Quote from: Chocolate man! on Mar 27, 2008, 05:40:25 AM
Quote from: SM on Mar 26, 2008, 10:59:13 PM
QuoteDog Alien ran really fast
And yet it rarely caught anyone by chasing them.
Not that fast.
Really fast compared to the other ALiens.
How fast do you guys think an Alien can run?
Quote from: DoomRulz on Mar 27, 2008, 01:53:33 PM
Quote from: Chocolate man! on Mar 27, 2008, 05:40:25 AM
Quote from: SM on Mar 26, 2008, 10:59:13 PM
QuoteDog Alien ran really fast
And yet it rarely caught anyone by chasing them.
Not that fast.
Really fast compared to the other ALiens.
How fast do you guys think an Alien can run?
don't know, maybe like Chet in AvP:R they use teleport system :D
QuoteReally fast compared to the other ALiens.
Based on?
I'll tell you what i dont want to see in it.
Earth
Paul anderson
Teenagers
And whoever the hell wrote Avp/Avp r
I'd love to see like an Aliens setting with Predators in it.
Quote from: SM on Mar 27, 2008, 09:53:54 PM
QuoteReally fast compared to the other ALiens.
Based on?
Well, in all of the other movies, the Alien's run was more like a waddle, where as in Alien 3 it get's on it's hands and feet and runs like hell.
Quote from: Chocolate man! on Mar 28, 2008, 05:57:09 AM
Quote from: SM on Mar 27, 2008, 09:53:54 PM
QuoteReally fast compared to the other ALiens.
Based on?
Well, in all of the other movies, the Alien's run was more like a waddle, where as in Alien 3 it get's on it's hands and feet and runs like hell.
actually in Aliens you can see them jumping from wall to wall.
thats what i wanna see again
There was some quick crawling in Resurrection as well.
Quote from: Richman678 on Mar 28, 2008, 06:06:22 AM
Quote from: Chocolate man! on Mar 28, 2008, 05:57:09 AM
Quote from: SM on Mar 27, 2008, 09:53:54 PM
QuoteReally fast compared to the other ALiens.
Based on?
Well, in all of the other movies, the Alien's run was more like a waddle, where as in Alien 3 it get's on it's hands and feet and runs like hell.
actually in Aliens you can see them jumping from wall to wall.
thats what i wanna see again
Yeah, but that was jumping and in the hive.
Quote from: Richman678 on Mar 28, 2008, 06:06:22 AM
Quote from: Chocolate man! on Mar 28, 2008, 05:57:09 AM
Quote from: SM on Mar 27, 2008, 09:53:54 PM
QuoteReally fast compared to the other ALiens.
Based on?
Well, in all of the other movies, the Alien's run was more like a waddle, where as in Alien 3 it get's on it's hands and feet and runs like hell.
actually in Aliens you can see them jumping from wall to wall.
thats what i wanna see again
They did that in AVP-R also. Namely the ones that get sliced by disks.
I want Clive Barker to write AVP3.
Ooh, he's good.
I want Alex Garland.
Quote from: Alienseseses on Mar 28, 2008, 08:41:52 PM
Ooh, he's good.
Yeah he can make a dark and bloddy AVP movie. It would be crazy and dark. He is a amazing writer and a pretty good director.
Heh, try and imagine if you will, AvP written by H.P. Lovecraft...
Wash your mouth out.
QuoteWell, in all of the other movies, the Alien's run was more like a waddle, where as in Alien 3 it get's on it's hands and feet and runs like hell.
So? Didn't seem to increase it's speed much considering other scenes in other films where Aliens moved fast.
Quote from: SM on Mar 28, 2008, 10:32:02 PM
Wash your mouth out.
QuoteWell, in all of the other movies, the Alien's run was more like a waddle, where as in Alien 3 it get's on it's hands and feet and runs like hell.
So? Didn't seem to increase it's speed much considering other scenes in other films where Aliens moved fast.
The dog Alien was faster then the other Aliens, I don't see how you cannot see it. It doesn't matter anyway, even just the way it runs shows that Aliens react diffrently to diffrent species hosts.
Quote from: SM on Mar 28, 2008, 10:32:02 PM
Wash your mouth out.
What, he wrote some scary stuff.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Mar 28, 2008, 09:26:46 PM
Heh, try and imagine if you will, AvP written by H.P. Lovecraft...
It would be amazing but too bad he dead. The Starbeast scpirt is the closest thing we will get to as a Lovecraft type of a story.
Quote from: Chocolate man! on Mar 28, 2008, 11:56:07 PM
Quote from: SM on Mar 28, 2008, 10:32:02 PM
Wash your mouth out.
QuoteWell, in all of the other movies, the Alien's run was more like a waddle, where as in Alien 3 it get's on it's hands and feet and runs like hell.
So? Didn't seem to increase it's speed much considering other scenes in other films where Aliens moved fast.
The dog Alien was faster then the other Aliens, I don't see how you cannot see it. It doesn't matter anyway, even just the way it runs shows that Aliens react diffrently to diffrent species hosts.
you mean attain different characteristics from different hosts.
but if this is the case then explain why theres eggs and a queen...and then all of a sudden yeah they can also oraly rape you and make four times as many aliens in 5 minutes. See the problem here?? I know your a devout Super Strause Bros. and Sucklerno Fan but you have to admit they made the aliens look so dumb by changing the reproduction methods around.
Just think for a second if the aliens carry on new characteristics from different hosts then the only plausible explanation from this is that Predators reproduce oraly too.
The molting queen theory is dumb. Its absolutly dumb! The amount of aliens a molting queen could produce is way more than a fully grown queen??? it makes no sense to me! A species that molts does not attain its best characteristics till the last cycle! The following is just a guess but I bet it went this way
Super Strause: "Hey we need a new gory chestburster scene so we can make it look cool"
Sucklerno: "hey lets make the predalien oraly rape a woman and have like 4 or 5 baby aliens jump out of her stomach"
Super Strause: "Yeah that sounds totally awesome man...oh lets make the woman pregnant too"
Sucklerno: "oh yeah and we can show the baby aliens eating the real human baby totally cool"
Writers Assistant: "wait wont that not make any sense with the current cannon thats going on?"
Sucklerno: "Shut up your fired! dont question our coolness. I wrote armageddon and it was flawless"
Super strause: "yeah our new chestburster scene will totally be better than Ridleys...hahaha hey lets dress up in pimp hats and ties and flick the camera off"And behold they ruin a really cool science fiction series with dumb ideas after past directors worked so hard in creating the world and story
Quote from: Richman678 on Mar 29, 2008, 03:46:49 PM
Quote from: Chocolate man! on Mar 28, 2008, 11:56:07 PM
Quote from: SM on Mar 28, 2008, 10:32:02 PM
Wash your mouth out.
QuoteWell, in all of the other movies, the Alien's run was more like a waddle, where as in Alien 3 it get's on it's hands and feet and runs like hell.
So? Didn't seem to increase it's speed much considering other scenes in other films where Aliens moved fast.
The dog Alien was faster then the other Aliens, I don't see how you cannot see it. It doesn't matter anyway, even just the way it runs shows that Aliens react diffrently to diffrent species hosts.
you mean attain different characteristics from different hosts.
but if this is the case then explain why theres eggs and a queen...and then all of a sudden yeah they can also oraly rape you and make four times as many aliens in 5 minutes. See the problem here?? I know your a devout Super Strause Bros. and Sucklerno Fan but you have to admit they made the aliens look so dumb by changing the reproduction methods around.
Just think for a second if the aliens carry on new characteristics from different hosts then the only plausible explanation from this is that Predators reproduce oraly too.
The molting queen theory is dumb. Its absolutly dumb! The amount of aliens a molting queen could produce is way more than a fully grown queen??? it makes no sense to me! A species that molts does not attain its best characteristics till the last cycle! The following is just a guess but I bet it went this way
Super Strause: "Hey we need a new gory chestburster scene so we can make it look cool"
Sucklerno: "hey lets make the predalien oraly rape a woman and have like 4 or 5 baby aliens jump out of her stomach"
Super Strause: "Yeah that sounds totally awesome man...oh lets make the woman pregnant too"
Sucklerno: "oh yeah and we can show the baby aliens eating the real human baby totally cool"
Writers Assistant: "wait wont that not make any sense with the current cannon thats going on?"
Sucklerno: "Shut up your fired! dont question our coolness. I wrote armageddon and it was flawless"
Super strause: "yeah our new chestburster scene will totally be better than Ridleys...hahaha hey lets dress up in pimp hats and ties and flick the camera off"
And behold they ruin a really cool science fiction series with dumb ideas after past directors worked so hard in creating the world and story
I totally agree with you about the molting thing, which is why I belive that the Predalien was either a born queen or was a molting queen but has finished it's molting process. And your point about the PRedators having to reproduce orally is right on the mark. I see nothing wrong with this, and infact I think it makes the Predators even cooler, as I love it when we learn something new about them in each movie.
Well we have been arguing about this since the day the movie came out.
I still stand by what I think though. The directors treated the Aliens like crap. They threw in a new idea which went against the prior film cannon, and has unfortunatly ruined the alien itself. This is why I am upset with the way this movie was made.
They thought of something new and even more bloody...and put it in their movie without even thinking about it! Thats not talent its acting without thinking about it, which is very irresponsible! So yes strausse and Salerno should be blamed out right!
On top of that walter hill and david giler should be right up there for letting them do this! They are credited as producers for avp:r, and that means they failed at that job. I wonder if they even showed up to see how the movie was going.
Quote from: Richman678 on Mar 29, 2008, 09:14:41 PM
Well we have been arguing about this since the day the movie came out.
I still stand by what I think though. The directors treated the Aliens like crap. They threw in a new idea which went against the prior film cannon, and has unfortunatly ruined the alien itself. This is why I am upset with the way this movie was made.
They thought of something new and even more bloody...and put it in their movie without even thinking about it! Thats not talent its acting without thinking about it, which is very irresponsible! So yes strausse and Salerno should be blamed out right!
On top of that walter hill and david giler should be right up there for letting them do this! They are credited as producers for avp:r, and that means they failed at that job. I wonder if they even showed up to see how the movie was going.
But it didn't effect the original life cycle at all. It was a new lifecycle strictly for the Predalien, if you didn't like it, that's ok, but you should beable to move on as it didn't exactly contradict any other Alien movies as much as people seem to think.
Quote from: Chocolate man! on Mar 29, 2008, 09:41:18 PM
But it didn't effect the original life cycle at all. It was a new lifecycle strictly for the Predalien, if you didn't like it, that's ok, but you should beable to move on as it didn't exactly contradict any other Alien movies as much as people seem to think.
Yes it did. The Alien's heads became ridged too quickly and the chestburstings occured rather fast.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Mar 29, 2008, 10:10:30 PM
Yes it did. The Alien's heads became ridged too quickly and the chestburstings occured rather fast.
What do you mean became ridged too quickly? Isn't that whole skin shedding thing nothing more than pure fanboy speculation? As far as I am concerned, the changes of headshapes are nothing more than the designers preference. Just like the bodies were bio mechanical in the first 2 movies, and then more organic in the sequels.
And the Chestbursting was already sped up in AvP. So the Bros didn't really make anything worse.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Mar 29, 2008, 10:10:30 PM
Quote from: Chocolate man! on Mar 29, 2008, 09:41:18 PM
But it didn't effect the original life cycle at all. It was a new lifecycle strictly for the Predalien, if you didn't like it, that's ok, but you should beable to move on as it didn't exactly contradict any other Alien movies as much as people seem to think.
Yes it did. The Alien's heads became ridged too quickly and the chestburstings occured rather fast.
I agree it contradicted it greatly. but AVP screwed with the time too. I dont see why they sped it up either it gives you great time to make character development.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Mar 29, 2008, 10:10:30 PM
Quote from: Chocolate man! on Mar 29, 2008, 09:41:18 PM
But it didn't effect the original life cycle at all. It was a new lifecycle strictly for the Predalien, if you didn't like it, that's ok, but you should beable to move on as it didn't exactly contradict any other Alien movies as much as people seem to think.
Yes it did. The Alien's heads became ridged too quickly and the chestburstings occured rather fast.
Like Dusk said, the ridged heads are just designer preferences and the cheatburstings were longer than AVP.
Based just after the events of Alien3, the movie would open with an elderly woman arriving at Gateway Station. She seems desperate to see someone and is eventually shown a video-link of them. She watches Ripley falling to her death. We find out later that this elderly woman is infact Ripleys daughter. The company lied to her about her daughters death as a coy to keep her in space. She wouldn't be the main character, although she would be an important one with a lot of the emotional power in the movie. The basic plot would be that one of the cargo shipments; that arrive daily at the station; is full of a cache of Alien eggs. The usual happens and Gateway Station is eventually transformed into a ghost ship, leaving not many survivors remaining.
We would follow one group which includes a nurse, a company man, three soldiers and Amanda Mc. A small group so that we can get to know them better. With a distress signal eventually sent out, all they can do survive until help arrives. A scout ship passing by, containing two Predator hunters, notice that something is wrong with the facility and go in to invistigate. The horror, suspense, mayhem and action follows with the AvP movie we've always wanted.
Well, i know the company is heartless and all, but at the point they would have told her they wanted rid of her bacically so...having her daughter alive would be a perfect way to get her away before the Aliens problem on Hadley
Actually, I think it was Camerons intention to have the company lie about her death. Didn't Burke say that she was 96 when she died? She would have only been 68 at the time... :-\
Sixty-six at the time of death.
Yeah, so I think it was legit
QuoteWhat, he wrote some scary stuff.
And wouldn't sully his reputation with dross like AvP.
QuoteThe dog Alien was faster then the other Aliens, I don't see how you cannot see it.
Because there's no other Aliens to compare it. Quite simple really.
Quote from: SM on Mar 29, 2008, 11:28:40 PM
QuoteWhat, he wrote some scary stuff.
And wouldn't sully his reputation with dross like AvP.
QuoteThe dog Alien was faster then the other Aliens, I don't see how you cannot see it.
Because there's no other Aliens to compare it. Quite simple really.
There actually were alot of Aliens in the movies ALien, ALiens and Alien Resurrection. Compare it to all of them, and you will see that it is faster.
One question: How did the eggs get into the shipment?
And how many other Aliens are in Alien3 to compare it, pray tell?
Quote from: SiL on Mar 29, 2008, 11:16:56 PM
Sixty-six at the time of death.
Oh... :P Well that means Cameron miscalculated. She was 11 in
Alien, so 57 years later...
Quote from: Chocolate man! on Mar 30, 2008, 12:05:42 AM
One question: How did the eggs get into the shipment?
Well there could be two reasons.
1# The company somehow got a hold of a batch and unleashed them upon their own people = extreme desperation/accident.
2# Predators take over the delivery ship, stash eggs in the cargo, let the Aliens take over the facility and have their hunt.
Quote from: War Wager on Mar 30, 2008, 12:21:59 AM
Oh... :P Well that means Cameron miscalculated. She was 11 in Alien, so 57 years later...
Would make her 68. Yes.
...okay, let's get this clear. There is
nothing in the movie to suggest she died the year Ripley got back. Quite the opposite. No big conspiracy.
68 years old, yes, but don't forget, Burke said that she died two years ago.
Quote from: SM on Mar 30, 2008, 12:11:11 AM
And how many other Aliens are in Alien3 to compare it, pray tell?
None, but why does that matter?
Quote from: SiL on Mar 30, 2008, 12:25:52 AM
Quote from: War Wager on Mar 30, 2008, 12:21:59 AM
Oh... :P Well that means Cameron miscalculated. She was 11 in Alien, so 57 years later...
Would make her 68. Yes.
...okay, let's get this clear. There is nothing in the movie to suggest she died the year Ripley got back. Quite the opposite. No big conspiracy.
Exactly, and she would only be 68 the year she got back. Hence conspiracy.
Then you have no basis to compare one Aliens speed to another.
I think that what he's trying to say is that in A3, the alien primarily ran. It didn't hop, or jump off walls (though he did run on them.)
Quote from: SM on Mar 30, 2008, 04:37:12 AM
Then you have no basis to compare one Aliens speed to another.
Alien 3 wasn't the only movie with an Alien in it.
Quote from: Chocolate man! on Mar 30, 2008, 06:10:05 AM
Quote from: SM on Mar 30, 2008, 04:37:12 AM
Then you have no basis to compare one Aliens speed to another.
Alien 3 wasn't the only movie with an Alien in it.
Really!! :o how did you figure that out? He was talking about the "amount" of aliens in Alien 3.
Quote from: Craig on Mar 30, 2008, 06:23:48 AM
Quote from: Chocolate man! on Mar 30, 2008, 06:10:05 AM
Quote from: SM on Mar 30, 2008, 04:37:12 AM
Then you have no basis to compare one Aliens speed to another.
Alien 3 wasn't the only movie with an Alien in it.
Really!! :o how did you figure that out? He was talking about the "amount" of aliens in Alien 3.
i know what he meant, but I was being a smart ass because he was being a smart ass to me.
In order to be a smart arse - you need to be at least regarded as smart in the first place. In your case.... hmmm....
QuoteI think that what he's trying to say is that in A3, the alien primarily ran. It didn't hop, or jump off walls (though he did run on them.)
And for all it's running who did it actually chase down and catch beyond the somewhat tubby Jude. And he was probably just puffed from outrunning it once already.
Quote from: SM on Mar 30, 2008, 11:00:30 AM
In order to be a smart arse - you need to be at least regarded as smart in the first place. In your case.... hmmm....
I couldnt agree more
Quote from: Dusk on Mar 29, 2008, 10:23:15 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Mar 29, 2008, 10:10:30 PM
Yes it did. The Alien's heads became ridged too quickly and the chestburstings occured rather fast.
What do you mean became ridged too quickly? Isn't that whole skin shedding thing nothing more than pure fanboy speculation? As far as I am concerned, the changes of headshapes are nothing more than the designers preference. Just like the bodies were bio mechanical in the first 2 movies, and then more organic in the sequels.
And the Chestbursting was already sped up in AvP. So the Bros didn't really make anything worse.
Cameron said the heads become ridged after time b/c the domes molt away. I'm guessing that means after at least a few months b/c the Aliens in
Aliens had been on the colony fro quite some time.
And your 2nd argument is pretty poor. Just b/c one person screwed it up doesn't mean they should follow suit.
I read a different Cameron quote where he said that it was because it was a different generation of aliens.
Also, the hugger time was fine. We missed many hours. The bursters just came out immediately instead of sleeping a while.
I guess the basic idea was to get an official tie to the Alien series by having actual footage from one.
not to sound like a dick but I don't tink you should involve a character liked to either movie franchises the mr weyland in avp was a bit of a bad idea to me if your a predator fan and have not seen alien's (don't ask me how but some people haven't seen it) they won't know why the guy was involved if this was an alien movie maybe but not for an avp movie that is just my opinion :-\
Quote from: Chocolate man! on Mar 30, 2008, 01:08:19 AM
Exactly, and she would only be 68 the year she got back. Hence conspiracy.
What? She was 11 in Alien...57 years later when Ripley was brought out of cryo-sleep she would have been 68, but we're told she died at age 66, so she died two years before they discovered Ripley's escape pod.
What is the conspiracy?
I guess it's just strange that she died so early. I expect that in the future lifespans will be slightly longer.
Cancer has a habit of doing that to you.
Quote from: happypred on Mar 30, 2008, 10:51:39 PM
Quote from: Chocolate man! on Mar 30, 2008, 01:08:19 AM
Exactly, and she would only be 68 the year she got back. Hence conspiracy.
What? She was 11 in Alien...57 years later when Ripley was brought out of cryo-sleep she would have been 68, but we're told she died at age 66, so she died two years before they discovered Ripley's escape pod.
What is the conspiracy?
I thought she died at 58. Oh well, WE.
Quote from: happypred on Mar 30, 2008, 10:51:39 PM
Quote from: Chocolate man! on Mar 30, 2008, 01:08:19 AM
Exactly, and she would only be 68 the year she got back. Hence conspiracy.
What? She was 11 in Alien...57 years later when Ripley was brought out of cryo-sleep she would have been 68, but we're told she died at age 66, so she died two years before they discovered Ripley's escape pod.
What is the conspiracy?
If she was 10 when Ripley left her, maybe it wasn't exactly 57 years later but 56 years and a few months. So she died in that year before she turned 67, in 2179.
Quote from: Alienseseses on Mar 30, 2008, 10:57:16 PM
I guess it's just strange that she died so early. I expect that in the future lifespans will be slightly longer.
She may have been an anti-technology zealot. :P
People die, The company didn't even want ripley talking about the Aliens, having her daughter alive would be more profitable for them because they could do their thing and she would keep her mouth shut. So, yeah, I think she's dead.
I'd always thought that (say her daughter really was alive) if Ripley found out that her daughter was alive, she would return to Earth and tell exactly what happened out there. No-one would probably believe her, but I don't think thats a risk The Company would be willing to take.
What would you think if AVP3 was set on a desert planet that was isolated and away from help from Weyland and Earth to contact and all the people were nomads armed to the teeth.The people would be constantly fighting eachother and weathering against the landscape but they would have old statues of the predator among their city as their guardian.That the predator was an old ghost story told to little kids and passed on as a spirit of judgment.
That the story of the sightings of the predator through history have been looked on as myths or angry spirits of the earth sent to judge mankind and the aliens would be the devils work.
So Stargate + The Road Warrior and throw in some aliens is what you're saying?
I posted an idea for a desert bound AVP on here a while back using the same storyline as pitch black. I do like the desert setting, but probably because of my attachment to the original comic when i first got it.
If it is to be on Earth , i would like some atmosphere, Ie a Jungle, Canyon (aka tremors) something other than K-mart. I'll even take the Ice back.
i think a setting like the one from alienS that would be really cool....
I'd like to see a setting on a huge space station with an artificial jungle surrounding the sides. Pretty much an artifiicial earth, only flat and bases designed to manage/breed ALiens (of course, they get out)
What about the mineing station the NOSTROMO picked up thier payload from? It's pretty far away, probably has limited staff in a facility similar to Alien 3 and we can reasonably expect that if the shit hits the fan... help is a long way off.
It should take place in a sewer because the movie will be complete shit.
:) You bet (I Really hope it is a big City LA or NY)
where do you think avp 3 should be set if they get round to making it
In would love to see the next AVP film in space.
They've already tried & failed the Earth setting twice. Space is the logical choice.
It will be on Earth somewhere.
Fox have already expressed potential interest in the idea of a space setting...I think even their feeble minds have grasped that we really don't want another Earth-bound movie.
QuoteFox have already expressed potential interest in the idea of a space setting
Have they??
I´ve never read anything about that fox is interested in setting the next one in space, the brothers have, but theire not the final autority.
It should be set in space, but it will be on earth.
No it wont Im sure there set it out in space. Just be great if the films good. If both AVP films would have been really good I wouldnt have been so annoyed with the earth setting but they werent.
AVP \\\ should be set in space and future, if the Strause bros are in charge, after all they wanted AVP R being in space, and they made the ending clear about a sequel but not in our world.
Quote from: frenchpred on Jun 01, 2008, 03:28:51 PM
AVP \\\ should be set in space and future, if the Strause bros are in charge, after all they wanted AVP R being in space, and they made the ending clear about a sequel but not in our world.
They wanted AvP 2 in space, but it wasn't in space. They want AvP 3 in space, what makes you think it'll be in space? They are most certainly not in charge.
Trust me, it's going to be on Earth.
Let's get David Twohy, for f*cks sake. At least he doesn't want giant dinosaurs, and at least he's made actual movies before.
Quote from: frenchpred on Jun 01, 2008, 03:28:51 PM
....and they made the ending clear about a sequel but not in our world.
How was the ending clear? From what I saw they could easily make six more AVP's on earth.
Quote from: aliensetta on Jun 01, 2008, 05:44:31 PM
Quote from: frenchpred on Jun 01, 2008, 03:28:51 PM
....and they made the ending clear about a sequel but not in our world.
How was the ending clear? From what I saw they could easily make six more AVP's on earth.
Anddddddddddddddd if you keep saying that Fox will say "Oh. Ok. F*ck it. The fans want it on Earth? More money for us."
Quote from: Pvt. Hicks on Jun 01, 2008, 05:48:43 PM
Quote from: aliensetta on Jun 01, 2008, 05:44:31 PM
Quote from: frenchpred on Jun 01, 2008, 03:28:51 PM
....and they made the ending clear about a sequel but not in our world.
How was the ending clear? From what I saw they could easily make six more AVP's on earth.
Anddddddddddddddd if you keep saying that Fox will say "Oh. Ok. F*ck it. The fans want it on Earth? More money for us."
If you noticed I never said I wanted it on earth I just said I don't see how the ending could make it clear that AVP3 would be set in space. Plus if fox doesn't give a damn about what the fans think. If they what it on earth then they'll set it on it on earth and they same go's for space.
I don't want anymore of these God-awful AvP films. Make Alien 5 or Predator 3 or both, but no more AvP movies.
Quote from: Pvt. Hicks on Jun 01, 2008, 05:32:55 PM
Quote from: frenchpred on Jun 01, 2008, 03:28:51 PM
AVP \\\ should be set in space and future, if the Strause bros are in charge, after all they wanted AVP R being in space, and they made the ending clear about a sequel but not in our world.
They wanted AvP 2 in space, but it wasn't in space. They want AvP 3 in space, what makes you think it'll be in space? They are most certainly not in charge.
Trust me, it's going to be on Earth.
Let's get David Twohy, for f*cks sake. At least he doesn't want giant dinosaurs, and at least he's made actual movies before.
It wasn't in space because Salerno was already hired by Fox, and the Strause Bros stated many times they'll set avp 3 in space if the budget is decent, forget Twohy he sucks and his Alien 3 script sucked, and these giants dinosaurs exist in your mind only, it was about an alien bigger than a queen, not King Kong ::) it was just an idea, nothing official.
No, the sequel won't be on earth, the avp r ending is clear about that.
A LV-426-like world.
If it has to be on Earth, I want all underground locations - sewers, subways, tunnels, and so on.
another pyramid scene... either Aztec, Maya or Egypt.
I think they should set it in 2104 on earth at the predators next ritual hunt, but not in another pyramid if its going to be set anyweree on earthj it should be another city that way more inocent people will be killed, plus if its set in the future it will give it a more sci-fi feel to it. and they should have more than 3 predators to make the rtual more believable because if there were only 3 in avp that means that only 3 predators were born the year they were.
P.S. to all the people out there who dont like avp or avp r explain why. They are great movies and i wanna know why you dont like them.
Quote from: frenchpred on Jun 01, 2008, 06:31:05 PM
No, the sequel won't be on earth, the avp r ending is clear about that.
Again how was it clear that the third movie is going to be in space. ::)
Quote from: Hybrid-Venom on Jun 01, 2008, 07:19:19 PM
P.S. to all the people out there who dont like avp or avp r explain why. They are great movies and i wanna know why you dont like them.
save that for another thread
Quote from: LukaKovach on Jun 01, 2008, 06:36:42 PM
A LV-426-like world.
If it has to be on Earth, I want all underground locations - sewers, subways, tunnels, and so on.
if it had to be on Earth, maybe in deeper parts of the Earth, nearer to the Earth's core
AVP III is VERY likely going to be set in space...where? Hell if I know. Maybe the Alien homeworld. Maybe the Predator homeworld. Maybe another colony planet. As long as it takes place in space, I'll be happy.
Look, I would like to see an Alien 5, set on the Alien homeworld w/ Ripley involved, but the way things are going, I HIGHLY doubt that's gonna happen.
In my opinion, I think AVP III should either be set on the Alien homeworld OR another WY colony planet...something like Ryushi.
A good AVP film can be made, you just need the right people. AVP R got many things right, while also getting things wrong, but I cant believe anyone would say the first AVP film was better (well, maybe the photography was brighter).
QuoteA good AVP film can be made, you just need the right people. AVP R got many things right, while also getting things wrong, but I cant believe anyone would say the first AVP film was better (well, maybe the photography was brighter
Paul anderson did well is job.
It's just he shouldn't have to make his own script.
ADI shouldn't have to make creature design
John davis shouldn't have to be the producer.
AvP could work with that.
Shot/angle/link to scene was much better in avp movie.
Quote from: Le Celticant on Jun 01, 2008, 08:12:25 PM
Paul anderson did well is job.
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I like my distant memory of his pyramid and the Alien 3 spiral alien design blood drain and the sacrificial alters arranged in the manner of the cryotubes in the Nostromo. That was a good idea for me
There were just one or two things I wont forgive him for though! :)
Quote from: SiL on Jun 07, 2007, 12:56:11 AM
Quote from: Pvt. Hicks on Jun 06, 2007, 11:22:49 PM
Seriously, it would be an act of God if they gave AvP 3 to Brothers Strause with complete creative control and a huge budget.
For all you know it could turn into the worst flop ever made. At least wait until they've released this film before singing their praises for another.
Sorry for the resurrection, but God was I
stupid back then.
Quote from: aliensetta on Jun 07, 2007, 12:56:55 AM
I want it to be on a drfferent planet so the aliens can win.
are you nuts?
Quote from: Aran on Jun 17, 2008, 08:15:18 AM
Quote from: aliensetta on Jun 07, 2007, 12:56:55 AM
I want it to be on a drfferent planet so the aliens can win.
are you nuts?
whats so bad about aliens winning for once? :P If its on a different planet then it wouldn't really make much of a difference. Plus thats a very old post probably before AVP r was out.
I want it to be still set in the future but with only three predator and three or four alien (two smooth heads and one ridged head and a runner if they can add it.)
Nowadays I want something thats simple. nothing huge like new hybrids and all that crap just go back to the basic's
preatorians the only movie they where in was poo-fan flick alien vs hunter
no more weapons for predator (its too much)
2 and a half hours long!
more focus on the predator and aliens than teenagers and italiean guys who talks about the moon
more than one predator
lots of cgi
obviously I want to see hitech Ninjas working for Yutani, maybe they're going to capture a predator. it sounds ridiculous but maybe this is the way the AVP movies are going and I've been enjoying Naruto with all it's characters training in ninjitsu arts. Maybe the working title for such a movie would be Crouching Predator, Hidden Alien.
But I'm concerned that if Paul Anderson got hold of the project, he'd probably have a Naruto clone in it who has a spiral alien design (as in the Alien 3 alien queen embryo spiraling form,) tattooed on his stomach
Set out in space.
Marines would be cool or just a colony stuck in the middle or even space truckers again.
A group of predators against a large number aliens which should even out he kills.
set on some strange planet
just look at the comics there must be other ideas in them as well.
Quote from: Pvt. Hicks on Jun 17, 2008, 03:43:04 AM
Quote from: SiL on Jun 07, 2007, 12:56:11 AM
Quote from: Pvt. Hicks on Jun 06, 2007, 11:22:49 PM
Seriously, it would be an act of God if they gave AvP 3 to Brothers Strause with complete creative control and a huge budget.
For all you know it could turn into the worst flop ever made. At least wait until they've released this film before singing their praises for another.
Sorry for the resurrection, but God was I stupid back then.
lol that must have been hard to one day shack their hand and put so much trust in them. Only to find out in the end the movie will raped any hope and dream for the franchise.
It's really a god dam shame, Blade, Hellboy, Superman, X-men, Iron man, Batman, Hulk all had good directors.....but noooo not AVP! God forbid it gets a really good writer,director, big budget ect ::) :o
Heck, god forbid you light a freakin candle for AVP-R :o
I wish Warner Bros. owned the rights to Alien and Predator, we'd actually get quality movies.
This doesnt have to do with what I want neccesarily in the script its just what I'd like to see...Heres what I want, (most of you probably want the same).............
Good Aliens just like this
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/gallery/albums/movies/aliens/dvdcaptures/dvdcapture321.jpg)
New planet with marines similar to aliens as well
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/gallery/albums/movies/aliens/dvdcaptures/dvdcapture180.jpg)
Kick ass Queen Alien
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/gallery/albums/movies/aliens/dvdcaptures/dvdcapture532.jpg)
Original Predator
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/gallery/albums/movies/predator/dvdcaptures/dvdcapture425.jpg)
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/gallery/albums/movies/predator/dvdcaptures/dvdcapture416.jpg)
Knowing Fox and their judgment on the AVP movie franchise, thats already asking for waaaaaaaay too much.
Lss freaking human dialouge.
We all need and want more. ^
Quote from: War Wager on Jun 06, 2007, 08:34:01 PM
I'd like it to be set in the future, on a space-ship or something and based after the events of Alien Resurrection. There would only be one Alien and one Predator.
I still stand by this. Except one Alien and one Predator... what was I thinking?! :P
Quote from: Pvt. Hicks on Jun 06, 2007, 11:22:49 PM
Seriously, it would be an act of God if they gave AvP 3 to Brothers Strause with complete creative control and a huge budget.
Who deleted their post then? :D
I have an idea for an AvP film. it's a fan idea, and everyone has different things they'd like, but as God says in Bruce Almighty "Since when does anyone have a clue about what they want?" When you give people what they ask for, they are dissatisfied.
My basic ideas were thus:
Aliens with the original Alien design. The design was actually only changed for Aliens because it was too delicate for Cameron's tastes, as he wanted lots of action. With current technology the design can return and be used in just as much action as the inferior versions that came later were.
A Predator that doesn't look like ass. (Neither anorexic or bodybuilder, but merely athletic, and with a decent face for f**k's sake.)
A Predalien that doesn't look like an un-wiped ass, for more info PM me on what I think it should really look like. (That put you off, didn't it?)
Decent actors who don't all look like supermodels, (bring some realism back into the franchise.)
A new effects company. (ADI suck donkeycock)
A decent budget so the film isn't too limited.
A GOOD director.
And a script that isn't total pants and doesn't conflict with the older Predator and Alien films. (But it doesn't matter if they conflict with the 2 AvP films because they're utter shit.)
I may post a script I've had boiling up in my head for a while, but whether anyone'd read itr or not I don't know.
i want more suspense
i want predators to hunt down
the plasma canon turned pistol and
another predator human team up
Quote from: KILLa l Yautja on Jun 22, 2008, 03:52:04 AM
i want more suspense
i want predators to hunt down
the plasma canon turned pistol and
another predator human team up
So
you're the reason AvP sucked so much...
Quote from: Hybrid PM on Jun 17, 2008, 05:45:40 PM
I wish Warner Bros. owned the rights to Alien and Predator, we'd actually get quality movies.
Never in million years ;).
Why would WB even want the rights in the 1st place?
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jun 28, 2008, 10:21:25 PM
Why would WB even want the rights in the 1st place?
Stuidos don't sell movies series unless the last movie flop badly at the box office. Firday the 13th part 8 was a box office flop and it was hated fans & crtics. New Line later got the rights to the series in 1991.
One year later and this thread is still up and running. :D
Well heres my list.
- Original predator look
- Better alien designs
- Good battle scenes where both creatures fight each other and wup each others asses every now and then.
- Atleast 2 hours long
- Good acting
- Predator acting like an experianced hunter
- If there's going to be another predalien, the redesign it so that it will actiuall look GOOD, and not like someone's unwiped ass.
- Good storyline and plot
i want ripley back. one of the surviores of requiem should get frozen and lost in space and ripley finds them all theese years later. it would breach the time gap and aliens on earth just suck and its not the same without ripley.
Quote from: PatrinAVP11 on Jun 17, 2008, 06:01:28 PM
New planet with marines similar to aliens as well
Unfortunately, that happened to be one of those things '
Alien Resurrection' managed to prevent in canon.
They should send a group of predators to the alien homeplanet to hunt. They have a time limit to last out until the ship comes back, so have to try and survive and kill anything it sees.
Maybe there's only two left at the end and they've killed a queen or some kind of general with their ship on its way to pick them up. They have to escape before being killed by hundreds of warrior aliens which are mad for killing there leader.
Or that could be the opening and have humans characters introduced later on.
No, no, no, and no. Leave the Alien homeworld for an Alien movie. In fact, leave it alone altogether.
Quote from: nukem11 on Jun 30, 2008, 04:57:17 PM
They should send a group of predators to the alien homeplanet to hunt. They have a time limit to last out until the ship comes back, so have to try and survive and kill anything it sees.
Maybe there's only two left at the end and they've killed a queen or some kind of general with their ship on its way to pick them up. They have to escape before being killed by hundreds of warrior aliens which are mad for killing there leader.
Or that could be the opening and have humans characters introduced later on.
if they did this it would get the same critisism as avpr
"a one and a half hour movie of mindless gore that us retarded critics hate"
i hate critics
Quote from: nukem11 on Jun 30, 2008, 04:57:17 PM
They should send a group of predators to the alien homeplanet to hunt. They have a time limit to last out until the ship comes back, so have to try and survive and kill anything it sees.
Maybe there's only two left at the end and they've killed a queen or some kind of general with their ship on its way to pick them up. They have to escape before being killed by hundreds of warrior aliens which are mad for killing there leader.
Or that could be the opening and have humans characters introduced later on.
No, humans would need to be in the film from the beginning because then there would be no dialogue and writers would have to make the audience understand the predators language and fans would freak out because said writers would surely screw things up completely.
I wonder if fox actually look on these forums and see what what we really want for an AVP film. They probaly think we know nothing.
The studio cares about money. Bothering to look on message boards for opinions isn't worth anything, so they don't.
If they do browse this forum they should take a look at my idea. (http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i148/S_Rex93/wolfie_shoop.jpg)
Quote from: nukem11 on Jul 02, 2008, 08:02:07 PM
I wonder if fox actually look on these forums and see what what we really want for an AVP film. They probaly think we know nothing.
Thing is, Colin did that and look at what happened.
Quote from: nukem11 on Jul 02, 2008, 08:02:07 PM
I wonder if fox actually look on these forums and see what what we really want for an AVP film. They probaly think we know nothing.
fox doesnt care what people think thats why hardly any of their movies are pre-screened for critics
Quote from: KILLa l Yautja on Jul 03, 2008, 04:57:54 AM
Quote from: nukem11 on Jul 02, 2008, 08:02:07 PM
I wonder if fox actually look on these forums and see what what we really want for an AVP film. They probaly think we know nothing.
fox doesnt care what people think thats why hardly any of their movies are pre-screened for critics
No they do that to avoid negative reviews so it won't hurt their opening weekend totals. :P
Quote from: gameoverman on Jul 03, 2008, 05:01:14 AM
Quote from: KILLa l Yautja on Jul 03, 2008, 04:57:54 AM
Quote from: nukem11 on Jul 02, 2008, 08:02:07 PM
I wonder if fox actually look on these forums and see what what we really want for an AVP film. They probaly think we know nothing.
fox doesnt care what people think thats why hardly any of their movies are pre-screened for critics
No they do that to avoid negative reviews so it won't hurt their opening weekend totals. :P
point taken i really gota start thinking before i post
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jul 02, 2008, 10:46:15 PM
Quote from: nukem11 on Jul 02, 2008, 08:02:07 PM
I wonder if fox actually look on these forums and see what what we really want for an AVP film. They probaly think we know nothing.
Thing is, Colin did that and look at what happened.
dont blame the forums. twas shane's prob and the bros...
My point exactly. Their scouring the boards doesn't make any difference.
I reckon no matter what we say fox wont listen
they are stubborn retards who only hear what they want
thats why after ther critics viewed avpr they were surprised to hear the critics not say anything ;)
I also find it interesting that AvP back in '04 wasn't given an advanced screenings for critics; was Fox really that concerned about negative publicity?
elite hardcore badass Preds yet strict code of honor...
Quote from: WisePredator on Jul 02, 2008, 08:26:00 PM
If they do browse this forum they should take a look at my idea. (http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i148/S_Rex93/wolfie_shoop.jpg)
What with AVP:R being a complete show run by rodeo clowns, that would make it look sensible.
Anyway, avp3 will have to be thought out in a logical sense if it is ever to bring the franchise into a form of 'glory'.
It won't. Ridley's made it clear he could care less about this spinoff. Cameron's off doing other things, but I don't think he'd be interested in making it. Outside of those two, it'd be up to a newcomer or a former director in either franchise to pull off a miracle. The plot would have to be done from scratch, and it would have to be an amazing one-shot in a franchise with two duds. At this point, it isn't happening.
Quote from: The Chibi Kiriyama on Jul 05, 2008, 06:15:40 PM
It won't. Ridley's made it clear he could care less about this spinoff. Cameron's off doing other things, but I don't think he'd be interested in making it. Outside of those two, it'd be up to a newcomer or a former director in either franchise to pull off a miracle. The plot would have to be done from scratch, and it would have to be an amazing one-shot in a franchise with two duds. At this point, it isn't happening.
Pretty true.
on a space ship, marines aliens predators, but the predator alien fights not to be over in like 10 secs and them to have a real fight
Quote from: The Chibi Kiriyama on Jul 05, 2008, 06:15:40 PM
It won't. Ridley's made it clear he could care less about this spinoff. Cameron's off doing other things, but I don't think he'd be interested in making it. Outside of those two, it'd be up to a newcomer or a former director in either franchise to pull off a miracle. The plot would have to be done from scratch, and it would have to be an amazing one-shot in a franchise with two duds. At this point, it isn't happening.
That's silly. Either one of them could easily make a great AvP film and they know it. Why they're so against it is beyond me.
Do you really want to see a versus film from Scott in particular? Weaver thinks the Predator is stupid, and O'Bannon would like to make the Alien and Predator related. Knowing Scott, his idea might be just as far out as anything from the people around him.
Cameron won't do it. You can claim many things about Cameron, but an idiot he is not. This is a dead fish in water, and after Avatar comes out odds are he'll be back on people's tongues again. Why bother with a versus film with two bad predecessors when you can just make a fifth Alien film (or- better yet- get to making Battle Angel and make a killing off of the otakus)?
Quote from: The Chibi Kiriyama on Jul 10, 2008, 06:55:37 AM
Do you really want to see a versus film from Scott in particular? Weaver thinks the Predator is stupid, and O'Bannon would like to make the Alien and Predator related. Knowing Scott, his idea might be just as far out as anything from the people around him.
I don't remember ever mentioning Weaver or O'Bannon so I really don't know why you're mentioning them.
Quote from: The Chibi Kiriyama on Jul 10, 2008, 06:55:37 AMCameron won't do it. You can claim many things about Cameron, but an idiot he is not. This is a dead fish in water, and after Avatar comes out odds are he'll be back on people's tongues again. Why bother with a versus film with two bad predecessors when you can just make a fifth Alien film (or- better yet- get to making Battle Angel and make a killing off of the otakus)?
Which goes back to my initial point. I truly believe he could make an AvP film that could go head-to-head with Aliens, but b/c he seems so adamant about the crossover being a bad idea, he can't be bothered to even think about it.
I'm simply saying that Ridley's ideas could be even worse. He obviously holds Weaver with some esteem. If people he trusted pitched in horrible ideas, he could be inclined to use them. That's not a good thing. Or, at least, it wouldn't be for the Pred fans.
I don't think Cameron would be entirely against it. Had he been approached, he might've done it back in the day. It just isn't worth it anymore. I think we can safely say the continuity's f**ked. Seeing that the man likes to have a coherent story, this would be a drag to get involved with.
set in the future with maybe it not ending up being one predetor fighting shitloads of aliens maybe even it out a bit.
There best bet would be to base it on the original comic's or the Aliens Vs. Predator 2 game.
I've written up a few outlines for my version of a AVP3, although only one has made it to screenplay status. The only one that I remember right off the top of my head was probably the worst idea I've ever had. It was kind of sort of based on the Xenogenisis comics for some ungodly reason. It started out with a predator manhood ritual going completely out of control and spilling into a nearby colony. Eventually the entire clanship comes down and decides to beam-spam the Hive, the Colony, and the Preds still down on the planet. One of the predators manages to escape in a shuttle and just as he docks in the mothership, he realizes that the shuttle is crawling with predaliens. The clanship crashes just as Colonial Marines arive on the scene, but not before calling in the predator Military (think AVP: Extinction).
Huge three way battle breaks out, and it all ends with full scale nuclear exchange between the marines and the predators. This was all supposed to happen montage style during the opening credits and probably would have cost more than all eight movies combined. So now the predator's secret is out and Earth decides to go on the offensive using -get this- genetically modified aliens with guns, and the queen is a cyborg with missile launchers and plasma cannons and crap. A colonial marine ship transporting these crimes against the fandom crash near another colony where it just so happens that another predator manhood ritual is going down. Several disgraced predators are being used as bait to lure the aliens out of their hive And -KAGASP- one of the predators being used as said bait is the dumbass who let all the predaliens on the clanship. In the insuing chaos, the elder predator is killed and "Our" predator escapes....but is blinded by a plasma weapon going off right in front of his face. It's temporary, of course. He is found by generic heroine number: 2580, and turned in to the colony, from here on in, it's basically the original AVP Miniseries except "MOAR UBER!!!!11111111". Of course the colonial marines (led by Generic Heroine: 2580), the surviving predators (led by Dumbass) make a heroic last stand against not only the normal aliens, but my bastard mind children.
The above was basically my attempt to find out how much fan wank and epic battle scenes I could shove in to one movie.
- It should be set in space on a military/research/science colony on Mars (or on the Moon) 70-80 years from now. The Colony could be sponsored, or whatever, by W&Y.
- A Predator ship lands and releases a selected group of prime Alien/Xenomorph specimens (stored in stasis chambers/pods) in some vast canyon complex on Mars (or the Moon), whom they've intended to hunt later. The humans detect strange readings and send an expedition to investigate the canyons and everything goes wrong after that...
- It's time for us humans be the true cannon fodder species and not the Aliens.
- The start of the movie should be about the human colony. A big part of the movie should take place in the canyons (caves, caverns, old Predator sites etc.) where we don't see much of the monsters other than them stalking the humans. The humans will eventually get cornered by the aliens and are about to be wiped by xenos when the Predators interfere, resulting in the humans being caught in the middle (i.e. being snuffed both by Aliens and Predators). One human manages to survive and escapes, taking the prowler back to the base/colony.
- At the human base/colony the humans have killed one Predator as well as capturing another one. The survivor (after that she has come back from the canyons) warns them and advocates her superiors to alarm Earth and then to evacuate and escape from Mars/the Moon. Of course they won't listen, and on top of that, one Alien has hitchhiked back to the base. The Alien starts to kill people, one by one.
- Later on the surviving Predator from the canyons joins the fight. The Predator frees/saves the other (i.e. the surviving) Predator from the human labs. The two Predators get ambushed by the humans (who manage to kill the Predator who saved the captivated one).
- There will be a big end-fight be between the humans and the last Predator... The last surviving Predator wins in the end and then staggers out from the human base/colony. He/she/it activates the Predator spaceship by remote to come and pick him/her/it up. One of the humans are still alive and follows the wounded unarmed predator outside and aims at the Predator. But just when he is about to shoot the Predator, the Alien attacks him (the human). After the Alien has finished of the human, the Predator hops into the spaceship (where there are two Aliens...the Predator kills both, but also gets even more wounded than before). The Alien outside lounges at the ship, but the severely wounded Predator turns on the thrusters and burns the xeno into crisp and then takes off.
- From space the Predator ship then fires some kind of missile or plasma charge that totally destroys the human base and everything in a wiiiide perimeter/radius around it. The Predator then puts on a breathing mask after coughing blood, and then heads back home. The End!
- Let there be 12 Aliens, 5 Predators and lots and lots of humans. Make the Aliens smart, stealthy, cunning, creepy, eerie, silent, fast and Gigeresque; I want to see Aliens snatching humans in the shadows, from the ceiling, air ducts... i don't want to see full-body shots all the times - just a shiny shuddering row of double sets of teeth slowly opening up and then loads of human blood, that's what I want.
- Let the Aliens surprise the Predators - I don't mind seeing Aliens getting their asses kicked by Preds as long as the Aliens put up a good fight. In the end at least three preds should be snuffed by Aliens, one preds killed by humans, ten Aliens killed by Predators (one of the Predators should be killed by an Alien before he/she/it gets the chance to kill an alien him/her/itself) and two Aliens killed by humans.
I would like it to be like Aliens but adding a few predators on :D
my idea keeps getting deleted and I don't know why
but here it is again
I had watched AVP-R with the commentary and heard that you tried to get I am assuming Adam Baldwin to reprise his role of Garber. Not sure why he wouldn't do it, maybe it wasn't a big enough part for him I don't know. For AVP 3 it would be great to get Adam Baldwin to reprise his role from Predator 2 and play Garber along with Robert Joy as Col. Stevens, and have Jake Busey play the son of Peter Keys from Predator 2 and is the husband of Ms. Yutani from AVP-R. Also have someone play the role of Charles Bishop Weyland's son, Robert Patrick maybe, so they can show them working together as a joint company.
It should start about a six months to a year after AVP-R, but it will have the company of now Weyland-Yutani Corp. back in Gunnison, Colorado examining the landing pod in the lake that the predator used in AVP-R then transporting it back to a research facility. Then you can show another team in Antarctica getting the frozen Alien Queen out of the water. Once they get her out, they transport her to the same Weyland-Yutani military research facility complete with military personnel, where they took the landing pod, on a remote tropical island somewhere. They thaw her out and chain her up, in order to produce more eggs. They then maybe have military prisoners and use them as hosts for the aliens.
There would have to be the inevitable disaster in order to get the Aliens to start running a muck. Then we see a ship that looks like the ship that was found in the first Alien movie and seen in the extended edition of Aliens, this ship is used by the Space Jockies (the big creature in the chair in Alien) and the Predators to transport Alien eggs to other hunting grounds. While they are passing by Earth they do a scan for the heat and conflict they crave, the monitors could show some battles in Iraq and Afghanistan and then they discover that the Aliens are running a muck on the tropical Island with the Weyland-Yutani installation.
So they cloak the ship and land at a remote spot on the island. All 3 Predators leave the ship and the lone Space Jockey is left behind. Some scientists and military personnel at the facility noticed the atmospheric disturbance from the ship and see it land and with the thermal suits (Predator 2) they do a recon mission to the ship (do not go inside). They place a sophisticated homing device on the outside of the ship and return to the base. While this is going the remaining military personnel, scientists, Aliens and Predators are fighting it out on the island.
The Queen and a drone can end up escaping and on the way to the ship she lays her egg that will house a face hugger with a Queen and drone embryo(as in alien 3). She then instructs the drone and face hugger that is out of the egg to head to the ship (just as she instructed the drones in Aliens to back away from Ripley). She then turns back to fight the remaining 2 predators.
The Drone and face hugger make it to the ship where they go to the observatory with the big telescope, where the drone knocks out the Space Jockey and then it is impregnated by the face hugger. All the Aliens are killed on the island and 1 Predator remains and after he kills the queen he boards the ship to leave. (There will be NO explosion to kill everything on the island) The predator takes off in the ship and once the ship is on course he then proceeds to the observatory room where he sees the space jockey against the wall passed out. He scans the jockey and sees the queen embryo gestating inside. The same face hugger tries to impregnate the Predator (as in Alien 3 I think the final face hugger from the queen carried 2 embryos) but the Predator kills the face hugger. Then the drone emerges and a fight happens between him and the Predator. The drone is killed and melts a hole in the deck (Like the hole in Alien.), unfortunately the predator is under the alien when the acid blood comes out and is killed in the process.
You could then go back to the Weyland-Yutani scientist tracking the ship, and then go back to the Space Jockey ship a few hours later when the Space Jockey comes to. He then hops into the big telescope chair and then you can show the Space Jockey convulsing with the Queen trying to get out, he uses the telescope chair to locate a planet to land / crash on, he then resets the computer to land / crash on a planet LV-426(from Alien and Aliens) He then sets the computer to issue the warning signal. Then the Queen bursts out of his chest killing him, and then the Queen chestburster goes down the hole made by the drone.
I know some people will say that Dallas had said in Alien that the space jockey appears fossilized but the main word there is appears and doesn't something need to be buried under pressure to be fossilized? I would go with the atmosphere of LV-426 that makes the space jockey look they way it does either right away or by the time the nostromo crew find it.
Once the ship comes to a stop the last thing you see is the Queen going through the ship and then the camera pulls back and you see of all the eggs that Kane saw in the first Alien movie complete with the mist and the blue barrier. This is how Weyland-Yutani Corp. knows about the ship and Alien in the first Alien movie, because it has the homing device on it. Plus it has the warning from the space jockey that mother deciphered in Alien. As you said in the commentary for AVP-R the company obviously new more about the planet and alien than they were letting on.
I think this would be a good way to meld the story lines together and you would free after that to put AVP in any time on any planet.
Quote from: The Chibi Kiriyama on Jul 10, 2008, 06:55:37 AM
Do you really want to see a versus film from Scott in particular? Weaver thinks the Predator is stupid, and O'Bannon would like to make the Alien and Predator related. Knowing Scott, his idea might be just as far out as anything from the people around him.
Cameron won't do it. You can claim many things about Cameron, but an idiot he is not. This is a dead fish in water, and after Avatar comes out odds are he'll be back on people's tongues again. Why bother with a versus film with two bad predecessors when you can just make a fifth Alien film (or- better yet- get to making Battle Angel and make a killing off of the otakus)?
i agree. i heard about that Dan O'Bannon wants to make the alien and the predator related which i find really stupid in a way. i know about what Sigourney thinks of the predator that they're stupid. i think both Ridley and Cameron would rather do other things than mess with this crap that fox thrown down the aliens/predator fans' throats. i would rather see both Ridley and Cameron just do another alien movie and bring back what made the first two alien movies such a wonderful classic. instead of making the aliens more of a monster movie instead of bringing the mystery and the terror back to the alien franchise.
my idea!
if you make it put effort and money into it ::)
Put it in a futuristic setting and include the Colonial Marines. Maybe have it so that the Marines are checking out a new planet to see if it's safe to be colonized, but it happens to be a planet the Predators use to breed Aliens for the hunt. Seeing opportunity the Predators decide to unleash the Aliens to see if the Marines are worthy prey. After a few Marines die, yet hold off the Alien assault long enough the Predators use some teleport system to teleport the Aliens to a holding facility. The humans think they're safe and start to make their way back to the dropship. Around four Predators go on the hunt for the Marines. Meanwhile the Aliens find a way to escape from the holding facility and start their rampage. On the hunt the Marines lose a couple of men but so do the Predators, and the Predators start to see the humans as a possible threat because of their new weaponry. The Predators on the hunt get a transmission from an Elder that tells them the Aliens have escaped and that they are outnumbered and need help. However, the Aliens attack the hunting party and the Marines. After the hunting party fights off the Aliens, they see the explosion that comes from one of the Predator self-destruct systems. The Marines see this as well and are unsure of what to do. While it seems like the Aliens are mostly dead, a good number of them survived and so did the Queen. Desperate to make their escape the Marines get to the dropship but are met by a horde of Aliens. When it looks like they're going to die the Predators show up as unlikely allies. The Predators have a fail safe weapon that will destroy the planet but need the help of the Marines to get to it. An uneasy alliance is formed that leads them through the facility where the Aliens were being held. After a few battles and loss of men, they reach the self destruct weapon. The weapon is activated and they try to make their escape. It is then that the Predators realize they can't let the humans live because they know about them, and the Predators want to avoid the possibility of humanity interfering in their affairs. Turning on the Marines, the squad must not only escape the facility but also survive the Predator attack. So after a running/battle sequence the facility explodes. Two preds and three Marines are left, though the rest break is short since the fighting starts between them again. It comes down to one on one with the human barely surviving before escaping the Predator. He makes it to the drop ship and takes it back to the main ship. The Predator was hiding inside the ship..
and it ends there because I can't think of anything else right now.
Sorry it was so long and probably sucks but yeah
Sounds an awful lot like This script. (http://www.horrorlair.com/scripts/aliens_vs_predator.html)
O_o I never read that before if that helps
I would like it to be placed in the future with the alien queen being found at the bottom of Antarctica, the people finding the queen doesn't turn it in to the authorities, they sell it on the black market to a rich dude collecting dinosaur bones and stuff.
This Rich dude has his mansion high up in a isolated mountain with his own security staff, tough big dudes with big guns.
Later on we will find out that the rich dude knew that it wasn't a dinosaur but some kind of alien but not "the Alien", At the museum located within the mountain reachable by a large elevator from the mansion, we get to see him holding a alive predator in a canister filled with some kind of liquid, it's keeping it alive but unable to move, the predator would only have one arm the other would be damaged and end just below it's elbow. He would have no gear, and his dreads would be so long that it covered his private parts. around him we would see the P2 mask and equipment left on earth.
On a wall they'll show us some damaged armor resembling the armor shown in AVP and different kinds off dinosaurs like t-rex and bones, he'll also have a little private zoo with some animals who would count as endangered species, like a wolf, tiger, gorilla, bison and so on.
His museum and zoo would be located deep within the mountain and he'll use the mountain for mining and it looked that it also was rich with diamonds.
As the queen is being transported still frozen into the big room where the predator is being held, we'll see the predator react, but he's still unable to move.
Somewhere in the movie we'll get a flashback scene explaining how the predator was found by the rich dude when he was young during a trip to Antarctica, the rich dude worked with some stuff there, like taking samples on the ice or something.
The Predator was one of the predators who went in the pyramid 1904, some of the aliens managed to find their way out and he was one of two remaining Predators,
We will see a alien and a masked predator fight and the alien is winning, the other predator approaches the scene, you'll see him having a spear with an alien head on it. he takes off his mask(original), stomps the snow and screams, now he's got the aliens attention and the alien tosses the previous predator like a rag doll and attacks the unmasked predator, they fight it out and in the end the maskless predator wins buy cutting the alien in two with his Gill like wrist blade, he won the fight but got wounded on several places doing so, suddenly you'll See the ground/ snow under him disappear and he fall into a raft, you will see him hanging on the edge of a the raft without his mask slowly losing his grip, the other predator would approach him, suddenly the other predator turns takes off his mask and throws it in the acid pouring out of a dead alien, he turns back to the hanging predator and cuts off his wrist bomb arm, the predator falls screaming. Then he go and put on the fallen predators mask(original), soon after a space ship would approach the scene and pick up the last remaining one who will get all the credit for the hunt.
years later the rich guy will find the fallen predator frozen in a block of ice...
back to the future ;)
The ice slowly melts from from the queen and we start to see life signs from her like moving fingers, the escape happens and a short fight takes place between the queen some miners and a some security guys, the canister holding the predator is damaged during the fight, and by the time the predator is able to rise to his feet the queen is gone, disappeared into the mountain,
around him is dead corpses, as he stumbles by he notice one being alive, the person is sitting in a corner shaking, the predator walks up to the person and we'll see that it's a female, he gently lifts her up by the arm then suddenly with a scream throws the girl across the room into the wall, as the predator approaches he'll see that his armor have fallen on the now dead female, he looks around and finds the P2 mask nearby, he starts to equip himself with gear found laying around, then begins to walk towards the tunnel, into the mountain...
At the mansion: the following morning the Rich guy is waken up by one of his staff, contact is lost with the museum, zoo and mining facility within the mountain, the elevator doesn't work and none off the ones working the night shift has returned to the mansion.The Rich guy is getting worried and decides to gather a large force of security personnel and others, they walk to the big elevator leading to the big room where we earlier saw the queen being transported, it doesn't work but the power ain't cut, eventually they decide to take the emergency stairs.
As they walk down the long stairs through large corridors leading to stairs taking them deeper into the mountain, the power suddenly goes.
As the emergency generator kicks in we'll see a face hugger jump one off the staff and the horror has begun...
The movie would have 6 main characters from the security, zoo, mining and staff from the mountain. these should be characters that you'll root for. The Rich guy would be a good guy turned bad by his wealth and power, he will save his hide first.
It would have different hybrids, all off them being no different than the runner from A3.
No BS predaliens.
The Predator will hunt and kill both humans and Aliens, the shaking worker would have to be a young female scared shitless, him killing her would erase the hero vibe he othervise would get. He's angry for being betrayed by his kin and with the humans holding him locked up for so many years. He will build his armor with stuff found in the mountain, he'll have some new weapons and make some new ones out of old but damaged weapons.
example; he'll make a bladed staff out of his larger wristblade and a broken combo-stick.
He'll fight most of the aliens at the distance and he'll always will try to keep his distance, using his bladed staff and kicking the aliens away if they get to close. He'll avoid getting surrounded by aliens or fight too many off them at one time.
He will get wounded and heal up.
He will survive but it would look like that he might have died still we shouldn't be sure until after the end credits...
All but two from the main cast will die, the survivor's would be a male and female, they will get separated from The rich guy and some from the security force loyal to him. The Rich guy will try to flee the mansion in the mountain and the main cast will try to blow it up. both camps will be able to do so but they would have to survive both the aliens and the predator stalking them .
The rich guy would have a spaceship somewere within the mountain he will manage to take it and leave the mountain, he will dock at a near space station and when he has left the docking bay you'll see a face hugger crawling out of the ship.
End credits.
And after the credits roll you'll see the predator betraying him in the flash back go on a solo mission on earth still wearing the other predators old mask from the rite of passage, and you'll See our predator jumping down from a rooftop behind him, you'll just see the two of them faceing each other and the movie would end as you see the wristblades coming out of the gauntlet from the main predator...
If AVP 3 even remotely became possible, would the lead role be taken over by another woman, or do you believe that its time for a change in lead roles, and a man should play the lead? Just put your answer and why you think.
I think that Alien and Predator differ in many ways, but one thing stands out to me. In the Alien Quadrilogy, the lead role was a woman. (Ripley) However in Predator/Predator 2, the lead roles were men, Dutch, and I haven't watched Pred 2 in a while, is it Harrigan? But it would be cool to see an AVP (I hope it doesn't get made, by the way) with switched roles.
AvPR has a male lead.
Quote from: Foundationman2 on Oct 11, 2008, 03:14:16 AM
If AVP 3 even remotely became possible, would the lead role be taken over by another woman, or do you believe that its time for a change in lead roles, and a man should play the lead? Just put your answer and why you think.
I think that Alien and Predator differ in many ways, but one thing stands out to me. In the Alien Quadrilogy, the lead role was a woman. (Ripley) However in Predator/Predator 2, the lead roles were men, Dutch, and I haven't watched Pred 2 in a while, is it Harrigan? But it would be cool to see an AVP (I hope it doesn't get made, by the way) with switched roles.
I was thinking along those lines too, that's why I made it to be only two survivors in my story(reply 528), a male and female.
And you remember correctly, Danny Glover played Harrigan. :)
Quote from: War Wager on Oct 10, 2008, 08:03:10 PM
On the contrary. You think everyone who likes Alien watches it purely to watch KS killing everyone?
That my friend is a problem...
if you watch an avp movie not expecting to see aliens and predators fight...that is what i'd call a problem....
You're missing the point.
The movie is called Alien vs Predator yes? Which means battles between the two are imminent. But whats going to make those even better? Characters you care about stuck in the middle. Alien isn't all about the creature killing randomly. Although it's what puts the story in motion, it's not it's strong point.
A Vs movie obviously needs good conflict of coarse, but it needs some depth to fall back on.
My idea for AvP 3 is this guy's idea: http://www.horrorlair.com/scripts/aliens_vs_predator.html
Humans are essential. We are the heroes. Badass marines worked before, we could have them again. And also robots.
Should be set in the future and on alien planets. Plot doesn't need to be complicated. We attack one of the Predators hunting pyramids during a hunt. Out objective is to get hold of Predator technology, so with our exoskeleton equipped marines and large mean robots we take a few predators prisoners. This naturally pisses the elder predators off, and through our carelessness at least one Alien escapes confinement.
This alien through some creepy consciousness attracts more Aliens to the orbit of the planet, including at least one queen. The aliens board our ship and cuts us to pieces. Only the hero and possibly a few companions survive.
To finish it off the predators attack the Alien infested ship and we get some 40 minutes of the meanest most visious AvP fighting ever on film. We keep as much out of it as we can and eventually leaves the whole mess with desperate scramble for the escape ship and our Hero now the only survivor launches away leaving the Aliens and the predators to tear each other and the remains of the ship to pieces.
Somewhere along the way a lesson is learned that we should not try to mess with things we don't understand purely out of greed or desire for power.
You know standard stuff. It works.
Though i would never support a AVP film that brought ripley into the fold (she wouldnt do it anyway) i think it would be cool if a predator took ripleys head. I can just see the pred standing there roaring, holding #8's head. 8)
Quote from: EEV2650 on Oct 30, 2008, 09:21:59 AM
Though i would never support a AVP film that brought ripley into the fold (she wouldnt do it anyway) i think it would be cool if a predator took ripleys head. I can just see the pred standing there roaring, holding #8's head. 8)
Yeah, that would suck! ;)
No, but seriously! Letting a lousy Predator finishing Ripley 8 off is just plain wrong... I would much rather see Ripley 8 taking the head of a Predator after a long blood-drenched mano-a-mano fight! :D
haha...hand-to-hand? A Predator would tear her apart.
Ripley would stand no chance in a hand to hand fight.
I'm talking about Ripley 8 here... not the real Ripley (and of course the Predator wouldn't have any weapons in this fictional fight). Ripley 8 has acid for blood and is pretty strong (she can bash and tear open solid steel; she can rip out the tongue of an Alien etc.), and we know that Predators are pretty cocky and overconfident, so I really think that if Ripley 8 used that to her advantage she definitely stand a chance. But if the Predator manages to wrestle her down, well then she's probably as good as dead... the Predator can just snap her neck or whatever... but hopefully that will puncture her aorta, resulting in that the pred will die from his face being corroded off, because that's what happens when you try to f**k with Rip.
Seriously - Predators should be kept away from the Alien franchise for so many obvious reasons. If you want to rape Aliens then do it in the AVP franchise, but don't drag the Alien Legacy down that mudslide with you. Let the original movies die with dignity for god's sake!
I'm aware of which Ripley you're talking about. She just won't be to man-handle a Predator like you can imagine. Sure, she's strong, but to beat a Predator into submission with her hands is not possible. The Predator strength is far superior. Predators can rip vertebral columns from humans with no effort at all. Imagine if it focused its strength in one punch. Game over.
Plus the Predator has wristblades. End of.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Oct 30, 2008, 06:11:34 PM
Plus the Predator has wristblades. End of.
"(and of course the Predator wouldn't have any weapons in this fictional fight)"
Quote from: Master Chief on Oct 30, 2008, 05:54:07 PM
I'm aware of which Ripley you're talking about. She just won't be to man-handle a Predator like you can imagine. Sure, she's strong, but to beat a Predator into submission with her hands is not possible. The Predator strength is far superior. Predators can rip vertebral columns from humans with no effort at all. Imagine if it focused its strength in one punch. Game over.
And Ripley 8 ripped out the tongue of an Alien... and she punched her way through solid steel... Imagine if she focused her strenght in one punch. Game over! 8)
I'm not saying that Ripley 8 would be able to manhandle a Predator just like that - What I'm saying is that Ripley 8 would be more than a worthy opponent, especially since Ripley 8 isn't full of herself like most Predators are. I mean, if the Predator starts trying to slap Ripley 8 around like the Predator did with Arnie in the first movie, that Predator is going to be a dead Predator.
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Oct 30, 2008, 07:01:11 PM
And Ripley 8 ripped out the tongue of an Alien...
Wasn't that Alien she shot in the head? The round ripped through the head and shredded through the inner jaw. Even you could've ripped it out.
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Oct 30, 2008, 07:01:11 PM
and she punched her way through solid steel...
It wasn't that thick. You could've done that if an Alien was trying to get you too.
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Oct 30, 2008, 07:01:11 PM
Imagine if she focused her strenght in one punch. Game over!
I have. Her punches wouldn't stop a Predator. The Queen sent Scar flying and he still was able to leap several feet in the air to poke her in the 'eye'.
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Oct 30, 2008, 07:01:11 PM
I'm not saying that Ripley 8 would be able to manhandle a Predator just like that
Sure sounds like it in this quote:
Quoteif the Predator starts trying to slap Ripley 8 around like the Predator did with Arnie in the first movie, that Predator is going to be a dead Predator.
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Oct 30, 2008, 07:01:11 PMWhat I'm saying is that Ripley 8 would be more than a worthy opponent, especially since Ripley 8 isn't full of herself like most Predators are.
And I'm saying she wouldn't be able to last 10 seconds in a hand-to-hand fight. She's sorely outclassed.
Quote from: Master Chief on Oct 30, 2008, 07:21:39 PM
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Oct 30, 2008, 07:01:11 PM
and she punched her way through solid steel...
It wasn't that thick. You could've done that if an Alien was trying to get you too.
Much as I agree with you Chief, I hafta disagree here. I doubt the average human could punch through thin steel.
It's cool Doom. I'm basing the situation on how adrenalin and strength work together in a dangerous situation. Superhuman strength!
"Wasn't that Alien she shot in the head? The round ripped through the head and shredded through the inner jaw. Even you could've ripped it out."
We don't know that. The round probably missed, and even if it didn't miss, I'm still pretty sure that no man/woman on Earth would be able rip it out without the help of power tools.
"It wasn't that thick. You could've done that if an Alien was trying to get you too."
No I wouldn't. She was locked up in a prison cell. They don't construct prison cells and juggernaut starships out of tinfoil, do they?
"I have. Her punches wouldn't stop a Predator. The Queen sent Scar flying and he still was able to leap several feet in the air to poke her in the 'eye'."
Well, that was not a focused punch, just like the Predator in the first Predator movie didn't use all it's strength when playing with Dutch in the mud. The Queen in AVP just slapped Scar with back of her 'hand'.
Oh, and not to forget! Christie slammed a frigging powerlifting bar in #8's head, which didn't seem to have any effect on her at all (she barely flinched when it hit her)... just a little nosebleed.
"Sure sounds like it in this quote:"
What I meant in the quote you referred to doesn't say that at all. Arnie/Dutch was just a human, Ripley 8 is half Alien.
"And I'm saying she wouldn't be able to last 10 seconds in a hand-to-hand fight. She's sorely outclassed."
I'd say that she would be able kick his ass without a problem. Predators are smug arrogant bitches that think too much of themselves. The Predator who would fight Ripley 8 would most likely assume that she's just a regular human, and he would start fighting here thereafter... which gives her the upper hand, at least in the beginning of the fight. He'll try to slap her and she'll block his strike and bash his face in, which will blind him, giving her the advantage during the rest of the fight... yeah - Ripley 8 is not sorely outclassed here.
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Oct 30, 2008, 07:55:28 PM
Predators are smug arrogant bitches that think too much of themselves.
Remember, not all predators act like Wolf.
Quote from: AvPvTerminator on Oct 31, 2008, 01:52:18 AM
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Oct 30, 2008, 07:55:28 PM
Predators are smug arrogant bitches that think too much of themselves.
Remember, not all predators act like Wolf.
Or the idiots that we know as Scar, Celtic, and Gill.
Quote from: AvPvTerminator on Oct 31, 2008, 01:52:18 AM
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Oct 30, 2008, 07:55:28 PM
Predators are smug arrogant bitches that think too much of themselves.
Remember, not all predators act like Wolf.
Well, the Predator in the first movie was pretty cocky and arrogant too. He threw away his mask in the bog and started flexing his muscles before manhandling Dutch... and see what happened to him. He might not have been as arrogant and sloppy as Wolf (well, in Wolf's case I think it has to do more with severe retardation than arrogance), but he was still one damn conceited bastard with the ego of a Roman emperor.
But you're right; the City Hunter was erratic in his behavior, but he never acted like a fool. This guy actually fought/hunted with everything he got. He fought dirty most of the time rather than behaving like a self-righteous moron... His big flaw was to hunt more than one person/prey at the time; this guy preferred to hunt groups of people (flocks). But still, for some reason, I have a hard time picturing him snuffing Ripley 8.
The only one I would agree on being able to outclass Ripley 8 completely in unarmed combat is Celtic. He is the only Predator this far that has shown any sort of 'true' melee skills and martial art prowess. All the other Predators we have seen, except Celtic, have fought like simple brutes, basically relying on their gear and cloaking devices in order to kick the asses of their opponents in close combat. But Celtic fought for real, and he also had some kind of respect for his opponent.
As for the #8 vs. predator fight, it could go either way. #8 does have some alien stregnth, instinct, blood so i can see how she could come out on top. If a predator realized she had all these skills he could adjust his fighting style to counter them. My gut tells me #8 might just take the predator down.
Quote from: A.K.A on Oct 31, 2008, 03:44:07 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Oct 31, 2008, 02:53:20 AM
Quote from: AvPvTerminator on Oct 31, 2008, 01:52:18 AM
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Oct 30, 2008, 07:55:28 PM
Predators are smug arrogant bitches that think too much of themselves.
Remember, not all predators act like Wolf.
Or the idiots that we know as Scar, Celtic, and Gill.
"chopper" not gill
Tomato, Tamato
After thinking about it some more, I do think Ripley 8 can beat the Predator at one thing...Basketball. ::)
A Predator is a hunter choosing his prey among those who could kill or hurt him.
He would be able to kill Ripley 8 as he would be able to kill an alien.
People say that it's impossible because she got some of the alien strength's, like acid blood,
sure she got acid blood but the predator ain't a vampire.
However it all depends on who's controlling the fight, Ripley 8 could win so could the Predator.
You have to remember that in the AVP movies the Aliens ain't that dangerous, they are a prey that you begin with, something an inexperienced hunter use to train his skills, you start with the Alien then you work your way up to prey who would be more dangerous, like humans.
Aliens are meant to be the top game. Killing an Alien meant you had killed one of the most dangerous organisms in the galaxy. You have to work up the prey to get to hunt Aliens.
... supposedly.
Quote from: Milan on Nov 01, 2008, 11:43:16 PM
A Predator is a hunter choosing his prey among those who could kill or hurt him.
True.
Quote from: Milan on Nov 01, 2008, 11:43:16 PM
He would be able to kill Ripley 8 as he would be able to kill an alien.
People say that it's impossible because she got some of the alien strength's, like acid blood,
sure she got acid blood but the predator ain't a vampire.
Huh? (please rephrase yourself - I'm pretty dense in the noggin' today).
Quote from: Milan on Nov 01, 2008, 11:43:16 PM
However it all depends on who's controlling the fight, Ripley 8 could win so could the Predator.
Which is kind of what I have suggested all along.
Quote from: Milan on Nov 01, 2008, 11:43:16 PM
You have to remember that in the AVP movies the Aliens ain't that dangerous,
In
AVP:R they were a bunch of sissy easy-kill lamos, but in
AVP they were extremely dangerous and vicious (if you would've tossed Grid & Co into
AVP:R, Wolf would've been killed in the matter of seconds - wham, blam, thank you mam!) and way more dangerous than us silly humans. They were almost at par with the Dragon (AKA Dog-Alien), if not up there.
Quote from: Milan on Nov 01, 2008, 11:43:16 PM
they are a prey that you begin with, something an inexperienced hunter use to train his skills, you start with the Alien then you work your way up to prey who would be more dangerous, like humans.
I don't know if I'm perfectly wrong here, but aren't Hard Meat (Aliens) considered to be the Ultimate Prey in the comics? To me Aliens seem to be the Ultimate test to see if you're the ultimate bad-ass kind of Predator or just the regular bad-ass type.
Quote from: War Wager on Nov 02, 2008, 12:05:16 AM
Aliens are meant to be the top game. Killing an Alien meant you had killed one of the most dangerous organisms in the galaxy. You have to work up the prey to get to hunt Aliens.
... supposedly.
In EU the Alien is the ultimate prey cause there ain't a creature more challenging to hunt than the Alien.
In the movies they have become ecuall to braiding a predators hair, a painful process...
...like watching these movies...
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Nov 02, 2008, 12:18:09 AM
Quote from: Milan on Nov 01, 2008, 11:43:16 PM
He would be able to kill Ripley 8 as he would be able to kill an alien.
People say that it's impossible because she got some of the alien strength's, like acid blood,
sure she got acid blood but the predator ain't a vampire.
Huh? (please rephrase yourself - I'm pretty dense in the noggin' today)..
Well, if Ripley 8 would fight an unarmed Predator then you need to think about how a Predator would fight her, he wouldn't claw her or bite her, he would punch/ kick her to death with singular heavy blows or break her neck.
Picture the fight in your mind and how it would effect the predator if he gets burned by her acid and if it happens how would the predator react and adjust his fighting to it.
If he doesn't know then he'll probably find out when he rips her spine and skull, but then she's already dead.
he'll lose a hand or arm.
Ripley 8 is a bigger problem for Dracula than a Predator ;)...
QuoteQuote from: Milan on Nov 01, 2008, 11:43:16 PM
However it all depends on who's controlling the fight, Ripley 8 could win so could the Predator.
Which is kind of what I have suggested all along.
I'm with you on that one, it could go either way.
QuoteQuote from: Milan on Nov 01, 2008, 11:43:16 PM
You have to remember that in the AVP movies the Aliens ain't that dangerous,
In AVP:R they were a bunch of sissy easy-kill lamos, but in AVP they were extremely dangerous and vicious (if you would've tossed Grid & Co into AVP:R, Wolf would've been killed in the matter of seconds - wham, blam, thank you mam!) and way more dangerous than us silly humans. They were almost at par with the Dragon (AKA Dog-Alien), if not up there.
AVP had one Alien at par with the Dragon, it was Grid.
And Grid was the one who acted most "predatorish", he stalked his prey, waited to the oppertune moment to strike and had a attitude. To bad they cut out his death scene cause he played a big part in that movie.
In AVP-R, well I wasn't impressed by the Aliens, I always had the impression that they were ecually dangerous no matter what hive they came from but I guess they ain't.
QuoteQuote from: Milan on Nov 01, 2008, 11:43:16 PM
they are a prey that you begin with, something an inexperienced hunter use to train his skills, you start with the Alien then you work your way up to prey who would be more dangerous, like humans.
I don't know if I'm perfectly wrong here, but aren't Hard Meat (Aliens) considered to be the Ultimate Prey in the comics? To me Aliens seem to be the Ultimate test to see if you're the ultimate bad-ass kind of Predator or just the regular bad-ass type.
Yes, your right about the role Alien plays within the comics.
But in AVP they play a different part, they are a part of a young Predators right of passage,
I'll provide an example.
Let's talk about sex ;)
A right of passage ain't about losing your virginity, it's about reaching an age when you're allowed to f**k legally.
In EU the Predator has the braiding of his hair as a right of passage, after that he has the status as unblooded. Any Predator are allowed to hunt the Alien but an unblooded Predator wouldn't stand a chance so it ain't that common, in the comics it's mostly young bloods and blooded that hunts the Alien.
And hunting is their reason for living, if they can't hunt or feel like they are about to lose against a prey then they'll kill themselves.
The Alien is the ultimate prey in the comics, in the movies it's me turning 15 (legal age for having sex in Sweden).
In which comic are the Aliens called "the ultimate prey"?
Quote from: Milan on Nov 01, 2008, 11:43:16 PM
Well, if Ripley 8 would fight an unarmed Predator then you need to think about how a Predator would fight her, he wouldn't claw her or bite her, he would punch/ kick her to death with singular heavy blows or break her neck.
Picture the fight in your mind and how it would effect the predator if he gets burned by her acid and if it happens how would the predator react and adjust his fighting to it.
If he doesn't know then he'll probably find out when he rips her spine and skull, but then she's already dead.
he'll lose a hand or arm.
Ripley 8 is a bigger problem for Dracula than a Predator ;)...
And she would dodge and block those hits; she's not a brittle human being, you know. And even though she isn't a full-blooded Alien, she still is fast, 'durable' and vicious. The Predator is not going to have an easy time here... especially if he's arrogant and cocky, because if he is, well, then he'll be in a world of hurt... It might be Ripley 8 who stand there, holding his head while dangling with his spine. ;)
Quote from: Milan on Nov 01, 2008, 11:43:16 PM
AVP had one Alien at par with the Dragon, it was Grid.
And Grid was the one who acted most "predatorish", he stalked his prey, waited to the oppertune moment to strike and had a attitude. To bad they cut out his death scene cause he played a big part in that movie.
In AVP-R, well I wasn't impressed by the Aliens, I always had the impression that they were ecually dangerous no matter what hive they came from but I guess they ain't.
Well, they're supposed to be dangerous and scary no matter where they're from. But sometimes God (=Brothers Strause in this case) works in mysterious ways...
Quote from: Milan on Nov 01, 2008, 11:43:16 PM
Yes, your right about the role Alien plays within the comics.
But in AVP they play a different part, they are a part of a young Predators right of passage,
I'll provide an example.
Let's talk about sex ;)
A right of passage ain't about losing your virginity, it's about reaching an age when you're allowed to f**k legally.
In EU the Predator has the braiding of his hair as a right of passage, after that he has the status as unblooded. Any Predator are allowed to hunt the Alien but an unblooded Predator wouldn't stand a chance so it ain't that common, in the comics it's mostly young bloods and blooded that hunts the Alien.
And hunting is their reason for living, if they can't hunt or feel like they are about to lose against a prey then they'll kill themselves.
The Alien is the ultimate prey in the comics, in the movies it's me turning 15 (legal age for having sex in Sweden).
Ok, I don't know what you're getting at here... but, ok, let's go for it: to me the Aliens seem to be revered as the ultimate pray in the movies as well. The humans are, so to speak, just vessels catering the treats (the treats of death that is). And to me Scar & Co didn't seem to be that unexperienced at all. Gill even had a rack of skulls on his back (those skulls have to come from somewhere...) and Celtic's melee fighting skills were far superior to all his brothers' (especially when compared to Wolf who's the most sluggish oaf ever to possess dreads and a pair of wrist blades). It seems more like the Pyramid Hunting Game is something that only the most daring and skilled Predators would indulge, whereas regular Predators rather go for unsupervised fun spontaneous hunts in the outdoors where they have the upper hand no matter the prey.
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Nov 02, 2008, 10:16:43 PM
Quote from: Milan on Nov 01, 2008, 11:43:16 PM
Well, if Ripley 8 would fight an unarmed Predator then you need to think about how a Predator would fight her, he wouldn't claw her or bite her, he would punch/ kick her to death with singular heavy blows or break her neck.
Picture the fight in your mind and how it would effect the predator if he gets burned by her acid and if it happens how would the predator react and adjust his fighting to it.
If he doesn't know then he'll probably find out when he rips her spine and skull, but then she's already dead.
he'll lose a hand or arm.
Ripley 8 is a bigger problem for Dracula than a Predator ;)...
And she would dodge and block those hits; she's not a brittle human being, you know. And even though she isn't a full-blooded Alien, she still is fast, 'durable' and vicious. The Predator is not going to have an easy time here... especially if he's arrogant and cocky, because if he is, well, then he'll be in a world of hurt... It might be Ripley 8 who stand there, holding his head while dangling with his spine. ;)
Yup, it could end that way to or they decide to team up, get kiddies and live happily ever after ;)
Joking aside, acid do play a part if Ripley 8 and a Predator should fight but I think the part it would play is overrated.
But if I should describe a Predator and Ripley with one word for each, then the Predator would be described as a hunter, Ripley would be described as a survivor.
So if they fight Ripley should be the last one standing, not because the traits she got from the Alien but because it's in her character to cheat death.
QuoteQuote from: Milan on Nov 01, 2008, 11:43:16 PM
Yes, your right about the role Alien plays within the comics.
But in AVP they play a different part, they are a part of a young Predators right of passage,
I'll provide an example.
Let's talk about sex ;)
A right of passage ain't about losing your virginity, it's about reaching an age when you're allowed to f**k legally.
In EU the Predator has the braiding of his hair as a right of passage, after that he has the status as unblooded. Any Predator are allowed to hunt the Alien but an unblooded Predator wouldn't stand a chance so it ain't that common, in the comics it's mostly young bloods and blooded that hunts the Alien.
And hunting is their reason for living, if they can't hunt or feel like they are about to lose against a prey then they'll kill themselves.
The Alien is the ultimate prey in the comics, in the movies it's me turning 15 (legal age for having sex in Sweden).
Ok, I don't know what you're getting at here... but, ok, let's go for it: to me the Aliens seem to be revered as the ultimate pray in the movies as well. The humans are, so to speak, just vessels catering the treats (the treats of death that is). And to me Scar & Co didn't seem to be that unexperienced at all. Gill even had a rack of skulls on his back (those skulls have to come from somewhere...) and Celtic's melee fighting skills were far superior to all his brothers' (especially when compared to Wolf who's the most sluggish oaf ever to possess dreads and a pair of wrist blades). It seems more like the Pyramid Hunting Game is something that only the most daring and skilled Predators would indulge, whereas regular Predators rather go for unsupervised fun spontaneous hunts in the outdoors where they have the upper hand no matter the prey.
Well, my take on the skulls is that they were ceremonial wear, not trophy's from previous hunts,
cause he wasn't allowed to hunt before the right of passage, that's why they were at the pyramid in the first place, it's a "coming of age" ritual, only after the right of passage are they allowed to hunt and collect trophy's.
Second to this is, what do you think would be a greater challenge, hunt Aliens in a populated area in town or city or within that pyramid, the pyramids is like a big game hunter going on safari...to the nearest zoo.
The Pyramid reminds me of a labyrinth, and the Predators and Aliens within it has the role as the Minotaur.
And to Predator traditions and culture the right of Passage is huge, these creatures won't go on living if they lose their status as hunters, even if they lose it temporarely, this is how big trophy hunting is to them.
It ain't hard to figure that out, just look at Pussyface and Anytime. Pussyface would have survived a fall from that distance, still he decided to commit suicide. That was only because Key's and his men managed to surprise him, they where stalking him, made him prey then Harrigan jumped in shot him and managed to jump him again at the roof top, that was enough for Pussyface to try to end his life, cause during that hunt he lost his status as hunter, for a short period be became the prey...
Being a hunter, It ain't a way of life, it's life to them.
My take on the three Predators that went into the Pyramids is that they only had practised their skills, Scar was good but it was his first battle.
He was like a karateka, one that has spent many years practised the martial art but never once used it in a real fight before.
I think that Anderson didn't know the difference between a unblooded, young blood and blooded Predator and the role the right of passage played to the creature.
He thought that right of passage and unblooded was the same thing.
To bad that he didn't respect that he had 20 years of heritage to maintain.
And the brothers Strause, claiming to be Predator fans...
The Predators are hunters, if they travel within a clan or tribe they got a elder being in charge.
A Predator ain't a cleaner, he is a hunter. He doesn't answer to a "Godfather", he answer to an elder...
Wolf was a cleaner, cleaning up evidence of the Alien on earth...
...then why transport alive facehuggers to earth in the first place.
QuoteSecond to this is, what do you think would be a greater challenge, hunt Aliens in a populated area in town or city or within that pyramid, the pyramids is like a big game hunter going on safari...to the nearest zoo.
You might have a point if zoos had no fences and kept changing their layout every 10 minutes.
Quote from: SM on Nov 03, 2008, 02:00:40 AM
QuoteSecond to this is, what do you think would be a greater challenge, hunt Aliens in a populated area in town or city or within that pyramid, the pyramids is like a big game hunter going on safari...to the nearest zoo.
You might have a point if zoos had no fences and kept changing their layout every 10 minutes.
My point is that the Alien is a caged animal, it doesn't run with a creature being a big game trophy hunter to hunt jailed animals. How are you able to stalk, track and ambush a creature when your hunting ground is changing like the locations within a dream, if I would like to hunt a deer, i go out in the woods and hunt it in their own habitat.
The Alien is a creature known for adapting to it's habitat, they force it.
So why not just drop some face huggers in a town and hunt some aliens later.
Humans falling victims to them would still be counted as sacrifice and when there ain't any humans left within the town, the Aliens would go to "sleep" so the Predators wouldn't have to worry about the Aliens spreading all over the globe.
Rather spurious to assume Aliens reach a critical mass in regards to expansion.
Quote from: Xhan on Nov 03, 2008, 02:28:33 AM
Rather spurious to assume Aliens reach a critical mass in regards to expansion.
Well, the Aliens in the movie Aliens didn't change their location, they were still there when the Ripley and the marines arrived some time later.
If the Predators would drop some aliens in a small town, I'll think that they'll be able to hunt them within the town as well, cause it would be the Aliens territory, People with a chestbuster inside of them wouldn't be able to go very far, cause it would "hatch" within some minutes after the victim had been face hugged.
Except you're using a closed example. The are no other towns on Acheron.
Quote from: Xhan on Nov 03, 2008, 08:04:34 AM
Except you're using a closed example. The are no other towns on Acheron.
Yeah, I asked SIL what the Aliens would do when they had used up all their hosts within an area,
and he told me that they probably go to sleep.
At first I thought that it sounded acvard but then I started to think back on the movie Aliens. And he might be right about the aliens going to sleep, cause the hive and the aliens within it didn't move, they were still there when Ripley and Co arrived, That hive didn't leave their territory in-search for a new one with more potential hosts.
And thinking back at the last scenes of Alien, it always looked to me that the Alien went to sleep in the end, only to be waken up by Ripley.
Hibernation is what comes to mind.
I feel this thread is going way off topic. What does the xenomorphs survival strategies have to do with AVP3?
Anyway, for AVP3 I'd want it to be part ship, part foreign planet. Maybe 1/4 ship 3/4s planet. And make it much, much longer than the other two. Good story needs to be reigned down upon the franchise. In timeline, I'm unsure but would prefer something pre-aliens. Something post alien I think could do well. We're already gone through in the first two AVPs that they have no f**king idea what they are dealing with. With at least SOME knowledge we could get marines, or some sort of f**king guns in the mix. A longer story could also mean more battles, but more plot and character development.
And we definitely need a great chestburster scene. It needs to be graphic, but befitting of the mood. A supporting character getting bursted halfway into the movie would be a great touch. Aliens need to be tougher and more 'sneaky' but I disagree into not making more than a few die. Predators in mass would be harder on the plot in my opinion, because unless they're together constantly you have to follow the actions of more than one or they become fodder. Make em' tougher, more predator battle damage, and longer fight scenes that involve more than just plasma cannon blasting. Set the MOOD. We need the grime, the black and scary, the silent and invisible. Bring back the tension. We're going to see predators and aliens duking it out, why not give it a little creepiness factor. We need to see the worth of both the alien and predator as an individual.
In two of the alien movies we see just one, but that single alien brings hell with them. We need to set up that predator is fighting the deadliest species in the galaxy. Predator is tough as nails, but seeing a predator actually 'hunt' would be a great pleasure. The AVP movies just trash the whole predator concept of silent killer. AVPR did a better job with this (Sewer Scene) but then ruins it with him just roaring 'come and get it'. Sweet traps, interesting deaths, and make him work for that alien kill.
Yes, make the alien more deadly, but don't make it too much of a power house. We need some alien deaths, but have some grids and dragons to give the predator(s) a run for their money. Not too much personality, but enough to pump you up when the predator and 'boss' aliens mess each other up. Work in more specific deadly aliens, rather than queens and predaliens. This will spotlight them more, and play against the cliche endings we expect.
I guess this is more of what I want to see, rather than specific plot, but with all this in mind, even a simple plot could be golden.
Quote from: Weasel on Nov 04, 2008, 12:14:10 AM
I feel this thread is going way off topic. What does the xenomorphs survival strategies have to do with AVP3?
True.
I'll stick to topic. :)
Quote from: Milan on Nov 03, 2008, 02:37:46 AM
Quote from: Xhan on Nov 03, 2008, 02:28:33 AM
Rather spurious to assume Aliens reach a critical mass in regards to expansion.
Well, the Aliens in the movie Aliens didn't change their location, they were still there when the Ripley and the marines arrived some time later.
If the Predators would drop some aliens in a small town, I'll think that they'll be able to hunt them within the town as well, cause it would be the Aliens territory, People with a chestbuster inside of them wouldn't be able to go very far, cause it would "hatch" within some minutes after the victim had been face hugged.
Only according to avp. There's usually several hours between the implantation and the actual chestbursting.
The chestburster doesn't need to be overly graphic. Kane's bursting was bloody yes, but it wasn't over the top.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Nov 04, 2008, 02:14:02 PM
The chestburster doesn't need to be overly graphic. Kane's bursting was bloody yes, but it wasn't over the top.
I said graphic and befitting of the mood. No where did I say over the top. Kanes was graphic and needed to be so because thats one of the high points of the entire movie.
Quote from: Weasel on Nov 04, 2008, 08:51:31 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Nov 04, 2008, 02:14:02 PM
The chestburster doesn't need to be overly graphic. Kane's bursting was bloody yes, but it wasn't over the top.
I said graphic and befitting of the mood. No where did I say over the top. Kanes was graphic and needed to be so because thats one of the high points of the entire movie.
And I wasn't accusing you of saying it needed to be. Sorry for the confusion.
Maybe not the greatest idea but here goes.
A ship of Colonial Marines is transporting a number of alien eggs back to earth when the eggs hatch early and unleash an alien infestation all over the ship. After an intense battle, (Think Halo 2) the surviving Marines have to abandon ship and land on the planet below which happens to be a planet for hosting predator hunts. Then the Marine ship crash lands on the planet, the rear end surviving somewhat intact along with a few aliens. An intense battle ensues throughout the jungles of the planet, they are chased by aliens and run into predators and all hell breaks loose until the marines reach a Space Jockey compound, then it switches to them trapped inside. The Space Jockeys appear to be hosting the predator hunt on there planet. Finally when the aliens breach the facility, the marines self destruct the compound making it out in time for a reinforcement ship coming to pick them up. However as the survivors are shuttling back to the new ship in orbit, a predator has stowed away and one last physical battle takes place on the shuttle.
You had me up until you mentioned "Space Jockey" :-\
Quote from: DoomRulz on Nov 09, 2008, 07:33:18 PM
You had me up until you mentioned "Space Jockey" :-\
Totally agree! I don't want the AvP franchise to mess around with the Space Jockey. The Alien franchise has suffered enough rape already.
Fair Enough, it isn't that important to the story I came up with obviously, you could lose them and just make it a generic compound, The reason I went with space Jockey was when I was trying to envision what the compound would look like inside, I thought that kind of Space Jockey ship interior style would look cool.
One other little idea for that story was the artificial person, I didn't mention. You could have him be the one who causes the egss to hatch early. Instead of having him be a defined bad guy like Ash, or a defined good guy like Bishop, you make it a mix. He hatches the eggs early bcuz he doesn't want them to get to earth, but at the same time he's killing his own marines and crew, but he thinks its to prevent earth from being infected so your torn on if you should trust him. Plus it would be bad ass to see a skin job fight a predator in hand to hand.
Alrighty, heres my idea...
A Space ship/shuttle/satellite, whatever, orbits earth and notices a pred ship that is looks for scar, the preds do a scan and learn he died and are leaving when they see the human space...thing and the humans board as the preds let them because the preds are curious to what the space thing is. when boarding they accidentally knock the ships, boarding area and this ship shakes, in the face hugger containment area they are loads of facehugger tanks which fall over and smash. The humans are taken away by the preds and locked away although quite a few escape but are all soon facehugged, some facehuggers infect preds, thus making predaliens, also there are some quadruped animals that pred use as livestock and target practice are also facehugged and dog aliens are created. Then a pored kills an alien but vice versa also happens and the humans escape as some alien blood burns through the locks. Sooner or later all the preds and aliens meet and have a huge full-on, no holes barred battle in the largest ship area, there are some super experienced preds (even higher than the one with the cape at the end of AVP) who battle the predaliens, after the battle and it is filled with super baddass action scenes and fights the preds evacuate and their ship falls to earth and burns up, killing all the aliens. The surviving humans (who were caught in the middle of the battle) just manage to escape in their space thing.
I'm sorry, but I think your idea is horrible.
Ah Well, im not surprised, some people will hate it.
Praetorians, Riged head aliens (but not like the AvP-R ones), a Queen, and Dog Aliens, maybe predaliens. Predators like Wolf or Jungle. Have 5 or 6 Predators so that 5 or 4 can die, that way alien fans won't get in a fit... no offence. Where it takes place I don't really care as long as dogs are around for host. I may add more later.
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Now then, I'm one of those rare entities that actually quite enjoyed the first two AVP films, but like so many of you, I saw the flaws and have many things to say. However, I will say that AVP worked well as an Alien movie, whilst AVPR worked well as a Predator movie (their respective directors seemed to prefer one or the other...)
I think that for a third instalment, it needs a new direction; it needs to really finish the franchise and round off the entire Alien/Predator saga in a gloriously gory finale. I say it needs a director who has the experience of horror and/or science-fiction and who really knows how to get a thrill from the audience. I already had a few suggestions; Matt Reeves, J.J. Abrams and Christopher Nolan came to mind (maybe even Guillermo Del Toro for some added surrealism).
Thing is, in my opinion, what is needed for the third film is a story that evens out the balance between the warring creatures, if you know what I mean...We need something that works well as both and Alien movie and a Predator movie, and that means a director is needed that isn't really a big fan of either. Think Transformers; Michael Bay wasn't a transformers fan, but came up with something that appealled to a wide audience, rather than just the fan-base.
Of course, writers some into the equation, too and you'll be wanting to shut me up, now...So basically, for anyone who will write the film, I think ideas from the graphic novels should be used (after all, they started it all).
By the way, my idea for AVP: 3 is to follow one Alien and one Predator that both wreak havoc (separately) on near-future Earth. At the same time, Weyland-Yutani will be creating the ships and technology to find these creatures, based on as much information they extract from the survivors of the previous Predator/AVP encounters as possible. Then jackpot and the company finally manages to capture a Predator (not the same one mentioned before) and the first Predator needs to rescue his brethren...Meanwhile, the Alien has infiltrated the building (by chance!) and voila! You know what comes next...
Now then, if I can get some feedback, that'd be awesome! :D I like to read what other people think too...But please be gentle...It's my first post! lol ::)
It's good to see that you know what needs to be done. I agree with everything you say. We need people with experience in horror; the directors and actors of both AvP flicks had none. Suspense and and forboding needs to be pumped into this series if it's going to survive, because if we get another mindlessly violent, over-the-top cash-in with no story to it, we can kiss the future of these beasties goodbye.
Thank you, War Wager!
I didn't mention the actors...Thing is, the dialogue in AVP wasn't natural and I think that is why the actors didn't seem to translate so well...Same with AVPR (using expletives and berating just for the sake of it), but in addition, most of the actors in AVPR were television actors and weren't exactly cut out for a big production.
As for the story...Like I said, some inspiration from the graphic novels would be good, but I suggest Steven Moffat. For those of you who aren't familiar with him, he penned the recent Doctor Who episodes which were highly acclaimed for the scary stories/situations (look up 'Blink' and 'Slience in the Library'/'Forest of the Dead'). He taps into the creepy aspect of anything ordinary (ideal for a stealth Predator situation) and he can create jumps you felt when you saw the first Alien film.
The actors hired for AvP/AvPR were fairly decent, they just had nothing to work with. I mean why try to make a good performance from a bad character right? As for who should write the script for AvP3, I have no idea. I just hope it's someone that has a unique vision and can suck you into his/her story with ease.
Indeed, that is a major gripe about the AVPs; poor character development. I always get irritated by certain character lines in AVPR, for instance (like in the store, Jesse told the others to follow her to where the guns were...First of all, how would she know, when the others wouldn't and second of all, wouldn't everybody know and instantly try to get them, anyway? They're being killed, left-right-centre and everything seems casual...No...Everything has gone to pot, they should be rushing for defense and offense! lol); they seemed to give lines to characters, purely on the basis that didn't have much to say.
True, about the story...A lot of films, nowadays, go the obvious route of introducing characters and then explaining situations, when good films (like Clint Eastwood's, for example) tell the story straight away, and you're fed the characters throughout; that's how characters (I think) should be developed...Because that way, they will develop, anyway.
I have two visions for a possible, AvP3...
1. My first idea, involves the Space Jockeys. Basically, the Predators and Jockeys have a trade agreement with Alien eggs. The Predators are only allowed to use Alien eggs to hunt with and not have a Queen, but one day, the Predators come across the Derelict and find a newborn Alien Queen, inside and take her to their ship. The Predators use her to produce eggs to hunt with. The Jockeys become suspicious about the Derelict's disappearance and decide to go to visit the humans..who just happen to be Weyland Yutani.
The Jockeys make a deal with the humans that they can have Aliens, if the humans go after the Predators, because they believe the Predators are the ones that brought down the Derelict. The humans create a team of specially trained soldiers to hunt down the Predators. Yutani attempts to attract the Predators to a colonized planet. The Predators send out the eggs and begin to hunt and thats when Yutani sends in the special team.
2. My second idea takes place in Feudal Japan w/Samurai. I think it would be fascinating to have the Predators protrayed as demons "Oni" and the Aliens as "Dragons".
Soon as you said Space Jockeys, I tuned out.
The 1 alien 1 predator (well 2 if you count the captured pred) formula means there will be very little predator on alien or alien on predator action in the movie.
Both AvP and AvP-R had hives with queens (the predalien pretty much functioned as a mini-queen). In AvP the hive was small, in AvP-R the hive was full-blown (since there were more hosts).
I think for AvP3 there should be no hive, no queen. Just a small group of drones. For some reason Weyland Yutani is able to gestate several drones (I'll think of the details some other time, but I already have an idea and it's pretty fu cking obvious). The captured predator is stripped of his weapons, and it would be interesting to see how a predator survives against an alien with no weapons (the pred will basically be in the situation the Nostromo crew found themselves in, of course he's a pred and will handle himself accordingly). It would be interesting to see this one pred trying to outwit a single alien. The other pred will be dealing with the other aliens.
Shit I think I might start a fanfiction ;D
Quote from: happypred on Nov 30, 2008, 08:01:06 AM
The 1 alien 1 predator (well 2 if you count the captured pred) formula means there will be very little predator on alien or alien on predator action in the movie.
True, but I was thinking along the lines of; if a Predator or Alien can cause so much devastation, then one of each creature would appear more threatening.
But I suppose, you could introduce more as the story progresses...for an action-packed climax! :D And NOT have umpteen Predators killed of instantly (that's what bugged me about AVP, poor Chopper and Celtic! Chopper didn't have any moments to himself...Apart from taking out the guys in the camp on the surface, but we hardly saw it! Celtic had a good fight, but I think his death should've been more dignified...)
I think this 1 Alien/1 Predator concept could work. They could fight and beat each other accordingly then eventually kill each other and the movies end. The fans would be happy as each creature will have the chance to kick ass and, as you say, each creature will appear more threatening.
Infact, make in like Freddy Vs Jason. They could catch glimpses of each other during the movie but don't physically fight until the very end.
Quote from: War Wager on Nov 30, 2008, 04:13:24 PM
I think this 1 Alien/1 Predator concept could work. They could fight and beat each other accordingly then eventually kill each other and the movies end. The fans would be happy as each creature will have the chance to kick ass and, as you say, each creature will appear more threatening.
Infact, make in like Freddy Vs Jason. They could catch glimpses of each other during the movie but don't physically fight until the very end.
Awesome! Now how do you contact Fox, I want to pen this...:D
Now then, I've only seen the end of FvJ, so the fight was all I saw! The thing is (going back to your 'killing each other' idea), both AVP films ended ambiguously, too...There was no clear winner and if there's another film like that, then the fans are really going to get peeved! That seemed to be a good thing about FvJ, there was a clear winner by the end.
And you've reminded me of the graphic novel that I have 'AVP: Thrill of the Hunt', because apart from a potential scenario scene, the Predator and Alien(s) never actually fight each other (also, the idea of the captured Predator? Got that from the book, too...and the 'Predator: Concrete Jungle' game).
Space Jockies - Just say no.
I expected there to be negative responses to the Space Jockey idea. Look, I think it would be interesting if the Jockies were introduced. Sure, maybe in Alien 5, but I doubt that movie will be made. Some of you just need to open your minds and think outside the freakin box. Gosh!
Well considering the thread is entitled AvP 3 ideas and not Alien 5 ideas, it proves difficult.
QuoteSome of you just need to open your minds and think outside the freakin box.
Re-introducing Jockies as an idea has been around for decades. It's not like it's "outside the freakin box". Quite the opposite.
Some of us just want them to remain enigmatic.
Quote from: War Wager on Nov 30, 2008, 04:13:24 PM
I think this 1 Alien/1 Predator concept could work. They could fight and beat each other accordingly then eventually kill each other and the movies end.
that's pretty much what happened with wolf and the predalien
I like the idea of one predator and one alien trapped somewhere.
Allows multiple fights with neither side dominating the other.
Quote from: happypred on Dec 01, 2008, 06:07:51 AM
Quote from: War Wager on Nov 30, 2008, 04:13:24 PM
I think this 1 Alien/1 Predator concept could work. They could fight and beat each other accordingly then eventually kill each other and the movies end.
that's pretty much what happened with wolf and the predalien
Exactly.
Although, do remember that AVPR ended with a lazy way out (nuke) so an interesting thought would be; who would've died first? Chet or Wolf? Then you'd have a winner!
And true, Huol, that's what I was aiming for; an even-staked brawl, because it's only been a lone Predator against hordes of Aliens...I think there's a disadvantage there!
I want the Jockeys to be in a movie, but I only want them to be hinted at. Like, just talked about or something. Or maybe some deserted biomech buildings. Even that's a bit too much. I'd want something very, very subtle. Something only the hardcorest fans would be able to pick up on.
Same here. Mabye a glimpse of one of their ships or something.
I could go for another derelict; seems harmless.
I think the captive predator vs 1 alien would provide the one on one action, in fact this match-up would heavily favor the alien (the pred of course is desperately trying to find his weapons)
the armed to the teeth predator vs. a handful (5 or 6 drones) could be another thread of the movie [like he manages to waste 2 or 3 of them with his ranged weapons, and then the remaining three start adapting to the predator's tactics, showing some of that famous sneakiness alien fans are so proud of]
I think way you get both in the movie, one on one stalking and plenty some action
happypred, I like it! Great formula!
I've been pondering about one thing since I started the topic...
Weyland-Yutani would want it to face off against a Xenomorph, so they'd need a 'supplier', which begs the question...
Where would the Queen fit into this? Or, for this particular direction, would the Queen fit in at all?
Or perhaps, it's part of the Predator plan...Oh, I think I have it! The Predators do a different type of Xenomorph hunt; they load pods filled with a dozen eggs each and jettison them to distant planets (one of which lands on Earth) and when the selected Pred travels to Earth to hunt them, he foolishly manages to be captured by Weyland-Yutani...Then we have the aformentioned events! :D Somebody contact Fox!
my plot for AvP3 actually happens on a future earth (of course I'd like to see a movie set in space but I thought of this as the plot if somehow Fox were to insist on an Earth setting). I'd probably set it around 2083 or something like that (I think it's commonly agreed Alien was set in 2122 and Aliens in 2179). This places the AvP movie franchise in a futuristic setting without setting it in the same time frame as the Alien movies.
I thought of two ways of handling this, both require that the queen from AvP didn't die (wasn't crushed by water pressure as she sank to the bottom of the ocean)
1) the Company recovered her in a severely debilitated state shortly after the events in AvP and AvP-R (which happened within a very short time of each other), they managed to revive her somewhat and she pumped out one last batch of eggs before dying. By 2083 the Company has eventually gestated most of these eggs but have kept the drones and the remaining eggs in stasis.
2) the Company recovered the queen and keep her in a separate facility from the one where the events in AvP3 take place (so we never see her in AvP3). She is kept separate from the drones that are bred.
How do the predators come into the picture. I'm not too sure, but the captive predator could be a bad blood whose ship is shot down by a pursuing predator. We'll establish this predator as a bad blood by showing predator corpses and trophies in the interior of his ship (like in the comic) as he's being chased. If we go with this idea, we'll have the weird situation of later showing a captive bad blood being stalked by an alien while he scrambles to recover his weapons. You kinda want to root for him but you know he's a villain...
The pursuing predator is of course the one who starts the mayhem by infiltrating the facility to get at the bad blood.
Quotemy plot for AvP3 actually happens on a future earth (of course I'd like to see a movie set in space but I thought of this as the plot if somehow Fox were to insist on an Earth setting). I'd probably set it around 2083 or something like that (I think it's commonly agreed Alien was set in 2122 and Aliens in 2179). This places the AvP movie franchise in a futuristic setting without setting it in the same time frame as the Alien movies.
I thought of two ways of handling this, both require that the queen from AvP didn't die (wasn't crushed by water pressure as she sank to the bottom of the ocean)
1) the Company recovered her in a severely debilitated state shortly after the events in AvP and AvP-R (which happened within a very short time of each other), they managed to revive her somewhat and she pumped out one last batch of eggs before dying. By 2083 the Company has eventually gestated most of these eggs but have kept the drones and the remaining eggs in stasis.
2) the Company recovered the queen and keep her in a separate facility from the one where the events in AvP3 take place (so we never see her in AvP3). She is kept separate from the drones that are bred.
How do the predators come into the picture. I'm not too sure, but the captive predator could be a bad blood whose ship is shot down by a pursuing predator. We'll establish this predator as a bad blood by showing predator corpses and trophies in the interior of his ship (like in the comic) as he's being chased. If we go with this idea, we'll have the weird situation of later showing a captive bad blood being stalked by an alien while he scrambles to recover his weapons. You kinda want to root for him but you know he's a villain...
The pursuing predator is of course the one who starts the mayhem by infiltrating the facility to get at the bad blood.
the idea is to have an unarmed captive predator being stalked by a single alien
and a well-armed predator go up against a small handful of drones in the same movie
yep i am agree completely
Interesting, happypred!
My idea has a similar time, but I was thinking more along the lines of 2100, so it's the beginning of a new century and they (Weyland-Yutani) have been designing the ships to go into space.
Maybe something to relate to the current economic climate (W-Y have been on the verge of meltdown five times in the last two decades, so their plan to get the Xenomorph for the bio-weapons division is sketched out, to get back into the black, that sort of thing). I know it isn't really the thing of excitement, but it'll give it some story and it'll really show how far the company is willing to go to, to make profits.
And then you have my Predator/Alien story ideas along-side!
Quote from: JediYautja on Dec 03, 2008, 05:36:17 PM
Interesting, happypred!
My idea has a similar time, but I was thinking more along the lines of 2100, so it's the beginning of a new century and they (Weyland-Yutani) have been designing the ships to go into space.
Maybe something to relate to the current economic climate (W-Y have been on the verge of meltdown five times in the last two decades, so their plan to get the Xenomorph for the bio-weapons division is sketched out, to get back into the black, that sort of thing). I know it eallisn't really the thing of excitement, but it'll give it some story and it'll really show how far the company is willing to go to, to make profits.
And then you have my Predator/Alien story ideas along-side!
Could you provide more details for your idea?
As for my idea, I think that if the Company had recovered the queen from AvP, it really shows how cold-blooded it later was in the first Alien film, because in that case the Company knew about
queens all along, so it knew exactly what the Nostromo crew would run into and fully understood the species' deadly nature from the very beginning.
Dudes ... the f**k ever happened to continuity?
Contiwhat?
happypred - Ah, I see where you're going...Nice touch. My idea basically exemplifies that W-Y will do anything to pursue extra money...It might seem a bit of a cliche, but what does anyone with money want? More money! I'm imagining that W-Y is run by typical fat-cats who hunger for power and wealth and that their bio-weapons division is a newly formed sector (due to the Xenomorphs), purely because they could make millions from it. And I'm thinking that their company could be going through another economic downturn, which could make their hunt for the Aliens even more desperate (money again). It brings in my captured Predator, too...And their Xenomorph hunts...It's all connected.
SiL - Continuity is all part of the ideas that we've been trying to churn out. It's the very basis of my ideas and it seems that way with happypred, too. Excuse me if you can't see it, but it's there.
SM - ?
Continuity - That thing that says in Alien and Aliens the Company had no idea what the Aliens were and were capable of.
they lied
Quote from: JediYautja on Dec 03, 2008, 11:17:37 PM
happypred - Ah, I see where you're going...Nice touch. My idea basically exemplifies that W-Y will do anything to pursue extra money...It might seem a bit of a cliche, but what does anyone with money want? More money! I'm imagining that W-Y is run by typical fat-cats who hunger for power and wealth and that their bio-weapons division is a newly formed sector (due to the Xenomorphs), purely because they could make millions from it. And I'm thinking that their company could be going through another economic downturn, which could make their hunt for the Aliens even more desperate (money again). It brings in my captured Predator, too...And their Xenomorph hunts...It's all connected.
I get the gist of it, so your story takes place before Alien. I'm assuming that the Company actively searches for aliens, but low-level employees (like the Nostromo crew) are kept completely clueless, that is, the existence of the aliens is kept highly confidential even within the Company. That's pretty much the idea that I'm running with, that the Company knows a lot more than it reveals, within the Company only a secret division knows of their existence, and that the Nostromo crew and the Acheron colony were expendable as long as the Company could get its hands on a specimen.
Quotethey lied
Or fanfic writers lack creativity.
I'm thinking the latter.
Exactly, happypred...It's like the Coca-Cola/KFC/Heinz Ketchup formulas, as in only the few people at the very top know what it is.
And yeah, 2100, so 22 years before the events of Alien.
Quote from: SM on Dec 03, 2008, 11:20:33 PM
Continuity - That thing that says in Alien and Aliens the Company had no idea what the Aliens were and were capable of.
The point of the films was that they (at Weyland-Yautani)
did know about them...How much they knew was unclear, but they knew. And if you were referring to the board of directors scene in Aliens, then it was one of two options; 1) like happypread said, they lied, or 2) there were higher people than them that knew about the Xenomorphs, but I think it's most likely the former.
QuoteThe point of the films was that they (at Weyland-Yautani) did know about them...
No, they knew the content of the Jockey transmission.
If they really knew about the Aliens, they wouldn't wait for 60 years after the Nostromo disappeared to actually exploit them.
Also, it doesn't make much sense that if they knew all about the Alien in Alien, they'd only send a small mining vessel to go check out the signal, rather than, say, a team which could actually securely bring back a specimen.
Quote from: War Wager on Dec 01, 2008, 10:33:04 PM
Same here. Mabye a glimpse of one of their ships or something.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Dec 01, 2008, 11:48:46 PM
I could go for another derelict; seems harmless.
Personally, I wouldn't that. Granted, it's better than having Predators and Jockeys at a board meeting discussing trading agreements on aliens eggs, but all I want in AvP3/Alien 5 is some dialogue that merely acknowledges the Space Jockey's existence.
A brief glimpse of a derelict wouldn't imply anything other than just what you suggest.
Nah - they just lied.
Yeah, that's it.
For what purpose - who the hell knows. It's fan fic - it doesn't have to make sense.
I would like to have a Predator hunting them... :P
Jockies?
What a challenge! Nailing a elephant dude who can't move out of his chair!
I think you meant "can't".
Fail. :-[
Fxied.
;D
Quote from: AvPvTerminator on Dec 04, 2008, 10:29:41 PM
Personally, I wouldn't that. Granted, it's better than having Predators and Jockeys at a board meeting discussing trading agreements on aliens eggs, but all I want in AvP3/Alien 5 is some dialogue that merely acknowledges the Space Jockey's existence.
Sigh...my idea does not show them in a meeting, discussing an trade agreement. The agreement is already established, my script/idea begins with the Predators discovering/investigating the Derelict. You actually dont see any Predator/Jockey interaction, until the end of the story.
Quote from: JediYautja on Dec 04, 2008, 01:48:02 PM
The point of the films was that they (at Weyland-Yautani) did know about them...How much they knew was unclear, but they knew. And if you were referring to the board of directors scene in Aliens, then it was one of two options; 1) like happypread said, they lied, or 2) there were higher people than them that knew about the Xenomorphs, but I think it's most likely the former.
I was thinking the Company either knew or strongly suspected that there would be alien eggs on Acheron. Sending a team to secure a specimen would mean that every member of that team would know about the aliens. The Company chose to use an android on a mining vessel to secure a specimen. I would think that this would prevent more people than neccessary from knowing about the creatures' existence.
Between Alien and Aliens, I assume that the Company did obtain a large number of eggs from the derelict, while keeping its existence secret. The derelict contained probably thousands of eggs so even a fraction of their total number would be a lot. Why didn't the Company remove all the eggs? ...well, the derelict provided convenient storage on a remote planet [moon?].
Why then would the Company send terraforming colonists to Acheron. I have a few ideas, this is one.
Only members of a secret division within the Company know about the aliens. This division does not exercise total control over the Company, which is a gigantic organization with diverse interests. Those who ordered the establishment of a colony on Acheron were unaware of the derelict or the existence of the aliens. The expedition with Burk and Ripley was not authorized by this secret division, neither was Burk aware of the existence of this division. As far as he was concerned, he thought no one in the Company knew about the aliens.
(I'm not sure how old Hadley's Hope was by the beginning of Aliens . . . that fact would be useful :P)
As of the establishment of Hadley's Hope, the division found itself in a very tricky situation. They were still contemplating ways to salvage the situation. None of the options seemed viable and revelation of the derelict's existence seemed all but inevitable. The division lucked out when colony blew up and Ripley emerged as the sole survivor.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Dec 04, 2008, 10:34:21 PM
A brief glimpse of a derelict wouldn't imply anything other than just what you suggest.
Yeah, I guess so. It's just, you know, the way I pictured the scene going on in my head, I thought it'd be better in words. But being "brief" would be key if you were going put a derelict in there. I'm thinking something along the lines of the Lost Ark in Indy 4. Something Easter-eggish.
Ya, something only hardcore fans would notice. Or at the very least, something like "it's like that vessel foundon LV 426".
Why send a freighter, lose the freighter for reasons unknown, and THEN go and obtain eggs afterwards? Why not just go and get the eggs in the first place and not pissfart around with tug jockies and sythetics science officer replacements?
And then how did the secret division end up allowing the Hadley colony to be established?
Anyway Alien3 undermines all this nonsense - the mythical "secret division" would've been in cahoots with the Bio Weapons Division, whom we see at the end of Alien3. If they had so many eggs - why was Bishop so distraught at Ripley killing the Queen? Why should he give a shit?
And on top of this - Call and the USM both had access to all the Company's files and they both say the Aliens effectively died with Ripley on Fiorina. There's been no contact with the Aliens in the preceeding 2 centuries so no secret division; no large number of eggs taken from Derelict.
Quote from: SM on Dec 05, 2008, 04:23:14 AM
Why send a freighter, lose the freighter for reasons unknown, and THEN go and obtain eggs afterwards? Why not just go and get the eggs in the first place and not pissfart around with tug jockies and sythetics science officer replacements?
a synthetic aboard a mining vessel was convenient and more low profile than a special expedition
QuoteAnd then how did the secret division end up allowing the Hadley colony to be established?
they don't exercise control over all branches of the Company
QuoteAnyway Alien3 undermines all this nonsense - the mythical "secret division" would've been in cahoots with the Bio Weapons Division, whom we see at the end of Alien3. If they had so many eggs - why was Bishop so distraught at Ripley killing the Queen? Why should he give a shit?
They're not certain if they can produce a queen from any of their eggs, he was distraught at losing a specimen that may very well have been a queen. The secret division runs the bioweapons division, as such it develops many other bioweapons too, but only its interest in the aliens is guarded so carefully.
QuoteAnd on top of this - Call and the USM both had access to all the Company's files and they both say the Aliens effectively died with Ripley on Fiorina. There's been no contact with the Aliens in the preceeding 2 centuries so no secret division; no large number of eggs taken from Derelict.
those files were incorrect, either purposefully meant to be misleading or compiled by people not fully in the know.
The personnel aboard the Auriga were not affiliated with the special division. It still exists under Wal-Mart, though it has managed to keep the secret of the eggs in its possession despite the take-over.
However, in Alien Res, the USM, unaware of the division's existence, was still able to procure its own specimens through the cloning procedure, so the division's monopoly was broken for a short while.
Ripley's DNA was saved by the secret division to one day clone a queen. Information about the aliens was leaked after A3, and by A4 the USM knew about a bioweapons division, Ripley's DNA, the Nostromo, and the Acheron incident. However the division has held on to its most precious secrets: the full history of the its involvement with the aliens and its possession of a large number of eggs.
The USM compelled Ripley's DNA to be transfered to the Auriga, believing that no other aliens or eggs existed elsewhere.
If you have to make more stuff up, to cover up the stuff your making up that gets contradicted by the films - not the sound base for a story. Easier to set the whole thing post-Resurrection when you have free rein.
Well, I'm playing with conspiracies, which aren't supposed to be easily detected.
Yes interpreting what we see in the films at face value will give us a nice simple story, but my goal is intrigue not simplicity . . . it's more challenging.
Though not convincing - as a good conspiracy should be.
I like happypred's way of thinking...
But do remember that it can't be too complex, there is that line that one could cross to make it confusing. And in Alien, the story was nice and simple, but had plenty of intrigue to carry it (the company, special orders, etc).
Thing is, all the films (except AVP) have featured groups from the bottom of the company with one or two people with knowledge of the creatures' existence; there have only been scenes and characters from the top of the company on several occasions.
I think it would be challenging to do a story with the top officials of Weyland-Yutani, who know what they're up against (i.e. what do they know, how do they know, etc)...That's my intrigue. (It's why the concepts of the other films were fairly easy to pen...They hardly knew a thing.)
Quote from: JediYautja on Dec 05, 2008, 03:20:28 PM
I like happypred's way of thinking...
But do remember that it can't be too complex, there is that line that one could cross to make it confusing. And in Alien, the story was nice and simple, but had plenty of intrigue to carry it (the company, special orders, etc).
Thing is, all the films (except AVP) have featured groups from the bottom of the company with one or two people with knowledge of the creatures' existence; there have only been scenes and characters from the top of the company on several occasions.
I think it would be challenging to do a story with the top officials of Weyland-Yutani, who know what they're up against (i.e. what do they know, how do they know, etc)...That's my intrigue. (It's why the concepts of the other films were fairly easy to pen...They hardly knew a thing.)
some plot twists that wouldn't be too complex for a novel might be too complex for a movie since the director would have to explain too many things in the new film that never appeared on the surface of the previous films, in fact on the surface these plot ideas were never even implied in the earlier films and would probably throw the audience off without the proper explanation. Such a radical twist is likely to clash with the preferences of audience members who have strong opinions for where they think the story should go.
The even with a novel using my idea is that it will leave many readers wondering about the events in the Alien films.
How would the writer incorporate explanations about the Nostromo, Acheron, Fiorina, and the Auriga in a novel set in 2083? You'd have to set other novels in the same time frame as the Alien films and have heads of the secret division refer to the films' concurrent events in these novels. An easier option: the Company recovers the queen from AvP in a severely weakened state. The secret division is formed. The division manages to make her lay a batch of eggs but didn't anticipate that she would die from the effort (the combination of the structural and internal damage she sustained from extreme water pressure and the exertion of egg laying kills her). The division keeps these eggs for the following decades, they are few and precious, all the while trying to figure out how to obtain more. In AvP3 the secret facility and the aliens and eggs within are destroyed. The division therefore knows about the aliens by Alien, but have no specimens,
having lost all of them 40 years ago. This makes them really want to obtain specimens.
Quote from: happypred on Dec 05, 2008, 05:43:52 PM
An easier option: the Company recovers the queen from AvP in a severely weakened state. The secret division is formed. The division manages to make her lay a batch of eggs but didn't anticipate that she would die from the effort (the combination of the structural and internal damage she sustained from extreme water pressure and the exertion of egg laying kills her). The division keeps these eggs for the following decades, they are few and precious, all the while trying to figure out how to obtain more. In AvP3 the secret facility and the aliens and eggs within are destroyed. The division therefore knows about the aliens by Alien, but have no specimens, having lost all of them 40 years ago. This makes them really want to obtain specimens.
And I like the idea...Brings in a big motive...Have you contacted Fox? lol :P
Of course the only problem with making a small reference, would be that you could end up with something shitty, like having a poorly-made Jockey skull in a predators trophy room. *Cough* avp-r *Cough*
nah this is just what I do when I'm bored :P
Quote from: SM on Dec 04, 2008, 11:50:56 PM
Quote from: Milan on Dec 04, 2008, 11:48:14 PM
I would like to have a Predator hunting them... :P
Jockies?
What a challenge! Nailing a elephant dude who can't move out of his chair!
Well, For the "modern" Predator it would be a huge challenge, remember how the Elite Predator acted in the latest movie and how Aliens reacted to his actions, a elephant dude in a stuck wheelchair would pose a great threat to any predator who was or wasn't an "elite".
Every time I think of Wolf another scene from a movie comes to mind,
have you seen "out of sight" with G. Cloney and J. Lopez?
There is a scene in that movie with a dude who takes a sprint up the stairs, trips and shoots himself in the head with his own gun...
That scene alone reminds me of the Predators these days.
They are so "clumsy" that a space jockey sleeping in that chair would pose a great challenge.
Um, the Predator walked all over them...what are trying to get at?
Wolf was incompetent and would've been dead in seconds had he gone against something with more self-preservation instincts than a tree.
JUST ADAPT THE GAME! The game had the best storyline I've ever seen, and atmosphere and interesting characters.
Here's how I rank best AVP stories:
1. AVP2 (game)
2. First AVP comic
3. AVP (movie)
Quote from: SiL on Dec 06, 2008, 04:49:14 AM
Wolf was incompetent and would've been dead in seconds had he gone against something with more self-preservation instincts than a tree.
I'm pretty sure something stuck to a chair wouldn't be too difficult to kill.
Quote from: gameoverman on Dec 06, 2008, 05:17:14 AM
JUST ADAPT THE GAME! The game had the best storyline I've ever seen, and atmosphere and interesting characters.
Here's how I rank best AVP stories:
1. AVP2 (game)
2. First AVP comic
3. AVP (movie)
Agreed AvP2 the game was brilliant; not so much the sequel though.
Quote from: SM on Dec 04, 2008, 11:50:56 PM
Jockies?
What a challenge! Nailing a elephant dude who can't move out of his chair!
Yeah, but what if the chair can spin?
Really, really fast?
Quote from: Layorz on Dec 06, 2008, 06:00:19 AM
Agreed AvP2 the game was brilliant; not so much the sequel though.
It didn't have a sequel.
Maybe he's referring to the expansion pack? Which was shit.
Quote from: SiL on Dec 06, 2008, 06:59:48 AM
Quote from: Layorz on Dec 06, 2008, 06:00:19 AM
Agreed AvP2 the game was brilliant; not so much the sequel though.
It didn't have a sequel.
Yeah mix up with words. Expansion was crap.
Quote from: happypred on Dec 06, 2008, 01:41:51 AM
nah this is just what I do when I'm bored :P
lol Same here, but I do hope I can put my ideas to use some day!
Quotethe Company recovers the queen from AvP in a severely weakened state. A secret division is formed which runs the bio-weapons department from behind the scene. The division makes her lay a batch of eggs, failing to anticipate that the effort would kill her (the combination of the structural and internal damage she sustained from extreme water pressure and the exertion of egg laying results in her death). The division keeps these eggs for the following decades, they are few and precious, all the while trying to figure out how to obtain more. In AvP3 the secret facility and the aliens and eggs within are destroyed. The division therefore knows about the aliens by Alien, but have no specimens, having lost all of them 40 years ago. They jump at the chance to recoup their losses but wish to do so as covertly as possible.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Dec 06, 2008, 05:56:23 AM
I'm pretty sure something stuck to a chair wouldn't be too difficult to kill.
I've said it before in other threads, and I'm sayin' it again: If the space jockeys were unable to get out of their chair, don't you think they would have evolved to obtain a defense mechanism other than one that was physical?
QuoteThis makes them really want to obtain specimens.
So why wait 60 years to actually make a proper attempt?
Fat lot of good it did.
Quote from: AvPvTerminator on Dec 06, 2008, 11:14:12 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Dec 06, 2008, 05:56:23 AM
I'm pretty sure something stuck to a chair wouldn't be too difficult to kill.
I've said it before in other threads, and I'm sayin' it again: If the space jockeys were unable to get out of their chair, don't you think they would have evolved to obtain a defense mechanism other than one that was physical?
Like what? No indication of that in Alien.
Quote from: SM on Dec 07, 2008, 10:47:15 PM
Fat lot of good it did.
The pred that killed it must of had a fat lot of skill then. (I think thats what you meant....... :-\)
No, fat lot of good their defence mechanism - whatever it was - did the Jockey on the Derelict.
they only detected the derelict signal around 2122?
I'd have to think of ideas for prior failed attempts, if any
Well, they only detected it via the Nostromo...It could've been the fact that W-Y have been sending out mining vessels through different parts of the galaxy, looking for it...
Just another theory, mind...
Yeah, I was thinking whether the Nostromo relayed knowledge of the signal back to Company management. (I have no idea how they'd do this though. If the nearest W-Y headquarter were light-years away it would take radio waves forever to reach it).
I think I should modify my idea a bit. Only the Nostromo picked up the signal (I think this is what was intended in Alien and Aliens. If the Company knew about the derelict signal in Alien, why would it establish a colony on Acheron? The Co. prob wouldn't want any people getting near it. I know my secret division idea sort of explains this in my version of the events, but the movies never implied this idea so Cameron prob thought that the Co. was ignorant. f**k it I'll just run with that.
So the Company knew about aliens and queens before Alien, but they never knew of the derelict signal until Ripley referred to it 50 years later, by which time the colony had already been established.
Of course there's still the question why would the Company send a team to the colony instead of going straight to the derelict? Well this inconsistency exists in the conventional interpretation of the movies and not just in my re-interpretation...
I'll come up with an explanation for that later :P
You know, I watched Alien again, yesterday and I noticed something very interesting (Actually, I noticed it last time, but I was reminded of it); When the team have woken up at the beginning and they're looking for Earth, Ripley calls 'Antarctica Traffic Control'...I wonder if that's why AVP was set in Antarctica...Probably/not, but I think it's a neat connection!
All I can be certain of, is that in Predator: Concrete Jungle, the (bio) computer MOTHER had evidence of the aliens existence when Weyland and Yutani finally (and successfully) merged together...And that was set in 2030...A little something to narrow your timeline?
Quotethey only detected the derelict signal around 2122?
More likely 2121 or thereabouts. And when the Nostromo didn't come back they did nothing until Ripley showed up 57 years later.
QuoteWell, they only detected it via the Nostromo...
No, they detected it before that. Hence the re-routing of the Nostromo before it left Thedus.
QuoteRipley calls 'Antarctica Traffic Control'...I wonder if that's why AVP was set in Antarctica...Probably/not, but I think it's a neat connection!
More likely it's situated in Antarctica because they'd have the best 24/7 line of sight to any approaching ships riding the solar ecliptic. AvP wasn't actually set in Antarctica - despite what the film tries to tell us. Andy Pandy just set it on Bouvet because it's isloated.
Quote from: SM on Dec 08, 2008, 11:50:51 PM
QuoteWell, they only detected it via the Nostromo...
No, they detected it before that. Hence the re-routing of the Nostromo before it left Thedus.
hmmm, so if the Company already knew about the derelict signal in Alien, why did they later establish a colony on Acheron? And assuming the Company didn't know about the derelict signal until Ripley mentioned it in Aliens, why would they send Ripley and the marines to the colony. Wouldn't it make more sense to send a team straight to the derelict? That's why I said below:
QuoteOf course there's still the question why would the Company send a team to the colony instead of going straight to the derelict? Well this inconsistency exists in the conventional interpretation of the movies and not just in my re-interpretation...
I'll come up with an explanation for that later :P
The second your idea creates problems you then have to spend a lot of time hemming and hawing over to fix, it's a bad idea.
Now you're taking the fun out of it! :P :D
Quotehmmm, so if the Company already knew about the derelict signal in Alien, why did they later establish a colony on Acheron?
Someone issued a special order that a specimen be returned to Earth and that the crew were expendable. This would be highly illegal. So when the Nostromo didn't come back, anything realting to that special order - including the transmission would've been buried or destroyed to protect the company from any liability over the crew's deaths. Decades pass. Anyone connected to SO937 would either be retired or dead - so no one at the ECA or WY would be aware of the transmission or SO937.
Besides establishing the colony would likely be at the instigation of the ECA. Even if anyone was aware of the events in Alien at WY, they're not going to bring it up as an excuse not to setup on LV-426.
QuoteAnd assuming the Company didn't know about the derelict signal until Ripley mentioned it in Aliens, why would they send Ripley and the marines to the colony. Wouldn't it make more sense to send a team straight to the derelict? That's why I said below:
Once again - WY wouldn't have the pull to send a marine team in to check out the Derelict. Since Hadley was an ECA/ WY joint venture the first priority for the USCM is the safety of the colonists and re-establishing communications with Gateway - not securing specimens. Burke saw it as an opportunity in case Ripley was telling the truth.
What is the ECA, what are your sources?
and given your explanations, I think my second idea works pretty well with the movies:
Quotethe Company recovers the queen from AvP in a severely weakened state. The secret division is formed. The division manages to make her lay a batch of eggs but didn't anticipate that she would die from the effort (the combination of the structural and internal damage she sustained from extreme water pressure and the exertion of egg laying kills her). The division keeps these eggs for the following decades, they are few and precious, all the while trying to figure out how to obtain more. In AvP3 the secret facility and the aliens and eggs within are destroyed. The division therefore knows about the aliens by Alien, but have no specimens, having lost all of them 40 years ago.
Extrasolar Colonisation Administration AKA Colonial Administration
Source - Aliens Special Edition.
As for the secret division - it can work if it remains in present day and remains small and self contained and obliterated by the end. Kinda like AvP, but kinda not like AvP:Poo.
Continued possession of alien specimens after AvP3 would require a load of explaining.
But as long as all the alien specimens are destroyed by the end of AvP3, I don't see why the special division has to go.
Hence my use of the word "obliterated".
Agreed; the company must have lost all specimens in AvP: 3 for their motivation to work in the Alien films.
I have a notion that the Predators must be reduced in number, too...As it would make sense, because the Alien films only contain...well, Aliens! I would say 'excintion', but that'll upset Predator-fans (I'm a Pred-fan too, but like I said before, there must be a clear winner...)
Maybe beforehand, there had been a war between the Predators and (say) 'Space Jockeys'...Hence the reason why on of them is found on LV-426...And there is only a handful of Predators left (hence my 'one of each creature' idea).
QuoteAgreed; the company must have lost all specimens in AvP: 3 for their motivation to work in the Alien films.
What motivation? They don't have any motivation until Alien3.
The preds have to be extinct just because they don't pop up in the Alien movies?
Why would they show up on the Nostromo, Hadley's Hope, Fiorina, or even the Auriga. I don't see why their absence from a few specific locations implies that they're extinct ... it's a big universe
SM - Okay, they had the initiative, then...Otherwise there wouldn't have been Ash's 'special orders'...
happypred - Read it again, there will only be a handful of Predators left, so I said! Anyway, it's just an idea and I am well aware that they could be elsewhere, during the Alien films...I just think it'd be interesting to have only a (known) few left...
QuoteSM - Okay, they had the initiative, then...Otherwise there wouldn't have been Ash's 'special orders'...
Ash's SO was to secure a potentially beneficial lifeform. They had very little idea of it's true potential - otherwise they woulda gone to LV-426 with a proper BW team.
Ah yes, I see what you mean...
Quote from: happypred on Dec 15, 2008, 05:53:28 AM
The preds have to be extinct just because they don't pop up in the Alien movies?
Why would they show up on the Nostromo, Hadley's Hope, Fiorina, or even the Auriga. I don't see why their absence from a few specific locations implies that they're extinct ... it's a big universe
Because this franchise was called Alien long before Predator
Alien does not equal to Predator.
Alien / Predator / Alien Vs. Predator
3 Different franchises, no link between them, only few homages and some bunch of retarded stuff that could make believe the fan that an Alien met a Predator in Alien or a Predator met an Alien in Predator.
Actually it's a fact, there are no Predator in Alien and no Alien in Predator.
My point is that the predators don't have to be extinct or even reduced in number to exist in the Alien universe.
Sure if you want to merge the franchises, one way you could explain their absence in the Alien movies is that they've gone extinct or only a handful remain, but an equally sound explanation would be that they've remained elusive, not that hard given the size of the universe...
Quote from: happypred on Dec 15, 2008, 08:49:32 PM
My point is that the predators don't have to be extinct or even reduced in number to exist in the Alien universe.
Because they simply don't exist in it.
QuoteSure if you want to merge the franchises, one way you could explain their absence in the Alien movies is that they've gone extinct or only a handful remain, but an equally sound explanation would be that they've remained elusive, not that hard given the size of the universe...
They aren't in Alien movies because it's Alien, not Predator.
Quote from: happypred on Dec 15, 2008, 08:49:32 PM
an equally sound explanation would be that they've remained elusive, not that hard given the size of the universe...
And I see what you mean...
Oh and Le Celticant? You're forgetting the Alien skull in the Predator trophy room in 'Predator 2'. And I wanted feedback to my idea, not a destructive, simplistic way of looking at the films. Your opinion? Fine, but this isn't the place for that particular opinion.
Quote from: JediYautja on Nov 27, 2008, 11:43:43 PMI already had a few suggestions; Matt Reeves, J.J. Abrams and Christopher Nolan came to mind (maybe even Guillermo Del Toro for some added surrealism).
Not to be a downer, but none of these are happening. Look at the films they make, then compare them to the quality of the last two AVP films. They wouldn't want to make a sequel based off of those films. Abrams is all about lens flare and flash. I really don't think he would be appropriate for an Alien or Predator film. Even then, he seems to know what people do and do not want to see. Del Toro is the closest one on that list, and seeing as he emphasizes humanity with his horror neither one of the last two would appeal to him. Nolan...I don't even think I should mention why this won't work.
QuoteThing is, in my opinion, what is needed for the third film is a story that evens out the balance between the warring creatures, if you know what I mean...We need something that works well as both and Alien movie and a Predator movie, and that means a director is needed that isn't really a big fan of either. Think Transformers; Michael Bay wasn't a transformers fan, but came up with something that appealled to a wide audience, rather than just the fan-base.
I don't think you're considering what you're saying. Yes, this needs a solid story. But Transformers is not a good example. The Autobots and Decepticons are sentient. A big complaint on that film was that there was way too much human influence. Alternatively, neither Aliens nor Predators are intelligible in our language. Thus, to avoid becoming pretentious, the individual stories rely on a solid human foundation for us to project our wants, fears, and frustrations at as an audience.
Congrats on the first post, though. Everybody's got to start someplace around here.
I see what you mean...But it's good to imagine...Many people offer their choices for directors and these are mine...I just realistically think 'if...' (So by your process of elimination, Matt Reeves looks good? lol :D)
Yeah, the human influence was a main point of Transformers...One point of of the Alien/Predator films should be hardly any human-alien co-operation...The Alien doesn't care and kills on sight, whilst the Predator can cut you in half if you get in its way, or cross it. I think it'd be interesting to have three sections of the story, so you'd follow the Predator, then the Alien, then the humans (in which, the final A/P battle is fought! Stop me if I'm over-doing it again! lol)
And thanks!
I've just thought...Who thinks it's about time they brought a female Predator into the mix? I've heard that they are larger, stronger, faster and more powerful than their male counterparts (of which we've only seen).
We've had variants of Xenomorph in the past, so how about a variant of Predator...Any thoughts?
no, keep the females out of it
human characters assume that they're male, keep it at that
But we know they're not! :P
Sure, it might get rid of some of the mytholigy that still surrounds the creatures, but...To be fair, there ain't too much mythology left! lol Major things that haven't been in the films are; the females, and the extended life-span from Predator flesh consumption...I say; it's one or the other!
Anyway, I've already been compiling a story for a possible AVP based on this thread, so thank you all for sharing the debate! :D
years after the fatal event in Colorado,after humans stumbling across predator technology they've yet to still found out how such advanced weaponry works.At area 51 scientist are still studying predator technology left over from the bomb on colorado.On the other hand predators have come to a descision that the humans are no ordinary prey and must be takin more seriously,They decide to make an assault on area 51 to retrive what was once rightfully theirs so thier own technology wont be used against them or to over power them.Meanwhile they also find out from studying the humans that during the attack in colorado goverment officials went in and were able to obtain some of the aliens for scientific research.Humans not knowing what there dealing with the predators must see that this must end once and for all.The elder predator now stepping in calling this the great hunt in which he himself will be leading so he'll see it to himself that he claims the skull of the one who thought of even tempering with there items.As for the aliens who are now being contained and basically living like lab rats,one alien in particular how ever smarter than the rest have been observing the humans and some how finds a way to escape and wreck havoc
causing trouble through out the facility he finally frees his other aliens or whatever and so they make sure to it that the facehugger carrying the queen embryo finds a suitable host and from there they start the hive.With all the crazy stuff happening now through the facility back up is called in to help clean up the mess.Predators seeing this as the perfect time to come in make there move im not talkin bout 3 predators more like 20-30 maybe seeming they'll be dealing with over 200 people or more since the facility is a big place
well this is how i think AVP3 should be like or sumthing
as each race seriously needs a main chracter and the mains from each race face off in a epic battle.
With that in mind it should cut to a scene where the Humans decide wheather to leave or fight the alien infestation that has started to contain them.
The aliens seeing that the base have enough host for a hive decide to put up a fight
Predators on the other hand are just arriving and there should be a scene after them landing preaping up n stuff they come in contact with US Troops (not a quick cut n dap fighting scene something good for the fans)
One soilder manages to make it out alive and reports back to Area51 about whats going on with the humans having last 2 encounters with the predators they know who they are now and prepare for them with special weaponry i say this is where the smart gun comes in.Meanwhile back inside the aliens are out and about snatching host for the facehuggeers.The predators are now entering the base thinking thier unseen until a commrade is shot to death by the smart gun they learn now that the humans have come up with weaponry to detect thier stealth and they learn this may be the hardest hunt ever so uncloaking and running into battle the predators began firing off plasma canons and thier new weaponry the spear gun.In the battle should show a predator shooting a human's head off and it sticking to the wallafter wipping out the sqaud of marines they continue into the facility.The humans are aware of the predators arrival now,they send troopers who have smart guns with the sqauds the predators learn they must take out the smartgunners first.The aliens on the other hand still ploting on taking over the base and making it thier cnetral hive,the queen giving birth to a black face hugger which gets a victim it overtime molts andcomes out to be a Ravenger playable alien chracter from AVP:Extinction seeing that they'll need to fight hard the queen knows predators are inbound so they alien drones seek out new host so they can produce predaliens.Then cuts to a scene where the humans come in contact with a group of 4 predators while fighting it out,the aleins coming from vents see this as perfect oppourtunity to take many host and predators too so this is a big fight scene with all three species fighting the Main alien which should have sum typr of mark like the grid alien faces off with a predator and human and comes out victourious the aliens being succesful in this battle take what they came for.meanwhile the government still deciding what to do tell they survivors whats left of the facility that they'll have to clear out for evac,but before that the government gives orders to destroy the queen to stop alien reproduction so mission first they you'll be saved is basically what the remaining humans have gotten thier selves into.So they prep up and get ready for a near impossible mission.Now seeing that all 3 races have thier own main objectives as what they want to do all hell starts to break lose and only one race will make it out...and please let the humans DIE!!!!
Sounds more like a video game.
And it's not a script. And where's the grammar?
Could be Shane.
Between the events of Alien 3 and Alien Resurrection there is a space/earth setting. WAR will come to earth and in the space around earth. Because the humans have got their hands on Predator tech they adapt it then thrive in exploration and science more than ever before in history. They go years later to Antarctica to search for DNA of the aliens but found more than the bargained for... the queen still alive but frozen the humans keep it a secret for research. Later the queen breaks free! She starts her own hive and is no longer a secret. The humans are forced to leave earth and seek salvation on earths moon and other planets such as mars. Filled with thoughts of revenge the humans build a military designed to eliminate the alien existence. Five years later Colonial Marine cruisers as far as the eye can see bombard earth for three weeks. After three weeks tens of thousands of Colonial Marines get their chance to take earth back and to take revenge on the aliens for what they have done. Meanwhile with the large presence of aliens on earth and the large rise in war industry on surrounding planets a predator clan takes the opportunity to have the hunt of their lives.
I was also thinking that this should have two main characters. A male Colonial Marine and a female human warrior who was converted into a predator clan (not Lex ::) ).
This is all just my imagination speaking but what do you think?
I actually really like that idea. Put the humans on the offensive for a change! I was also thinking of another idea: how about an alien vs. predator movie set back in time when the Predators were teaching the humans how to build pyramids (as seen in AvP). It would be like Apocalypto meets Aliens and Predators.
Quote from: CanadianHero67 on Jan 06, 2009, 10:32:51 PM
Between the events of Alien 3 and Alien Resurrection there is a space/earth setting. WAR will come to earth and in the space around earth. Because the humans have got their hands on Predator tech they adapt it then thrive in exploration and science more than ever before in history. They go years later to Antarctica to search for DNA of the aliens but found more than the bargained for... the queen still alive but frozen the humans keep it a secret for research. Later the queen breaks free! She starts her own hive and is no longer a secret. The humans are forced to leave earth and seek salvation on earths moon and other planets such as mars. Filled with thoughts of revenge the humans build a military designed to eliminate the alien existence. Five years later Colonial Marine cruisers as far as the eye can see bombard earth for three weeks. After three weeks tens of thousands of Colonial Marines get their chance to take earth back and to take revenge on the aliens for what they have done. Meanwhile with the large presence of aliens on earth and the large rise in war industry on surrounding planets a predator clan takes the opportunity to have the hunt of their lives.
I was also thinking that this should have two main characters. A male Colonial Marine and a female human warrior who was converted into a predator clan (not Lex ::) ).
This is all just my imagination speaking but what do you think?
Not bad, but drop the female human converting to a Predator clan.
What AVP3 needs is one solid noticable actor that we can all believe in. It needs a Bruce Willis. Does anyone have any suggestions as to who would be a solid actor for a lead role in AVP3?
What if AVP3 was made in 3D? AVP3D could have the potential to be amazing. Just imagine watching Preds and Aliens fighting in 3D! It would bring them alive, I mean havent you ever wanted to be in the middle of a fight between those two? If they made AVP3D, it could have the potential to be a thrilling action flick and would draw more people to the theater. It would satisfy AVP diehards along with casual movie goers.
Quote from: Rich Green Acid Blood on Jan 07, 2009, 04:11:13 PM
What if AVP3 was made in 3D? AVP3D could have the potential to be amazing. Just imagine watching Preds and Aliens fighting in 3D! It would bring them alive, I mean havent you ever wanted to be in the middle of a fight between those two? If they made AVP3D, it could have the potential to be a thrilling action flick and would draw more people to the theater. It would satisfy AVP diehards along with casual movie goers.
oh god.... :-X
I wouldn't mind seeing an AvP film in 3D myself, but then again, if the whole film is in the dark well...fat lotta good 3D would do.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jan 06, 2009, 11:00:21 PM
Not bad, but drop the female human converting to a Predator clan.
:-\ I loved that concept in the comics.
It was cool! I would however, like to see a strong male lead in the next movie.
Quote from: CanadianHero67 on Jan 06, 2009, 10:32:51 PM
Between the events of Alien 3 and Alien Resurrection there is a space/earth setting. WAR will come to earth and in the space around earth. Because the humans have got their hands on Predator tech they adapt it then thrive in exploration and science more than ever before in history. They go years later to Antarctica to search for DNA of the aliens but found more than the bargained for... the queen still alive but frozen the humans keep it a secret for research. Later the queen breaks free! She starts her own hive and is no longer a secret. The humans are forced to leave earth and seek salvation on earths moon and other planets such as mars. Filled with thoughts of revenge the humans build a military designed to eliminate the alien existence. Five years later Colonial Marine cruisers as far as the eye can see bombard earth for three weeks. After three weeks tens of thousands of Colonial Marines get their chance to take earth back and to take revenge on the aliens for what they have done. Meanwhile with the large presence of aliens on earth and the large rise in war industry on surrounding planets a predator clan takes the opportunity to have the hunt of their lives.
This is all just my imagination speaking but what do you think?
Wouldn't the humans be content with living on other planets? Why would they try to take over a planet that would have lost almost all non-Alien life, when they have a perfectly fine existence on other planets? If they go back all that's left is probably a big lifeless rock. Aliens do have to eat, and if they infested the Earth to the extent that they could force the humans away with sheer force of numbers, than Earth would have been reduced to nothing. They would gain nothing from the revenge, and would only lose millions of dollars of value in resources, not to mention the lives of many of the Colonialm Marines. Revenge could be a motive, but considering the time it would take to build such a military, that hatred would have died down. They could get satisfaction, but they pay for it in blood and precious materials. In return they gain a big rock they have no need of because they have developed civilization in areas rich with resources, (It'd have to be, where else are they getting the material for the bombs, pulse rifles, etc.).
Predator clans indulge in hunting. In such a large infestation, it would literally be war, there wouldn't be elaborate skirmishes or individual combats, the aliens would come in a giant swarm, flooding the ground, and the Predators would be forced to use sheer firepower or be surrounded and cut down. There would be no stalking or tracking because the foe comes in a great visible mass, in other words it would be just a giant brawl. Wouldn't the Predators prefer the glory of the hunt rather than open warfare?
Quote from: CanadianHero67 on Jan 06, 2009, 10:32:51 PM
I was also thinking that this should have two main characters. A male Colonial Marine and a female human warrior who was converted into a predator clan (not Lex ::) ).
I like the idea of the worthy human inducted into Predator society.
I like Lex. ;D people should give her a break.
But earth is the humans main home, humanities national symbol. If someone invaded your country would just let them take it?
Quote from: CanadianHero67 on Jan 10, 2009, 04:38:12 AM
But earth is the humans main home, humanities national symbol. If someone invaded your country would just let them take it?
I would but that's a completely different situation.
If someone invaded your country, reduced it to nothing but sand and ash, and those invaders were deadly beasts with acidic blood, would you go back to your former home, now a wasteland and and fight over nothing and lose a lot men in the process, not to mention you might lose and get facehugged, creating more Aliens.
"Hooray. I won back my land, it's just now sorely lacking in life and covered in acidic corpses. Now we only have to reclaim our buildings which could have Aliens lurking in any corner, and fight them in a war where they have all the advantages. Then I can settle back and live off Aid from other countries, because our country is now nothing but sand."
I find your lack of faith in humanity... disturbing.
How do you know it would be a wasteland by the time the humans come back? No one knows how long it took for LV-426 to become a wasteland or if it was even the aliens that made it like that.
Quote from: Celtic-predator on Jan 10, 2009, 04:51:23 AM
Quote from: CanadianHero67 on Jan 10, 2009, 04:38:12 AM
But earth is the humans main home, humanities national symbol. If someone invaded your country would just let them take it?
I would but that's a completely different situation.
How? In Starship Troopers why would they fight on some dry wasteland planet infested with bugs? In DUNE why people fight each other over a dust ball with huge ass worms?
Quote from: Celtic-predator on Jan 10, 2009, 04:51:23 AM
If someone invaded your country, reduced it to nothing but sand and ash, and those invaders were deadly beasts with acidic blood
If it bleeds we can kill it.
Life would probably start again as far as I know. LV-426 could of already of being uninhabitable to humans. The only way humans would not go back to earth is if it were blown to tiny pieces.
Quote from: CanadianHero67 on Jan 10, 2009, 05:14:18 AM
I find your lack of faith in humanity... disturbing.
Was that a Darth Vader reference?
Quote from: CanadianHero67 on Jan 10, 2009, 05:14:18 AM
How do you know it would be a wasteland by the time the humans come back? No one knows how long it took for LV-426 to become a wasteland or if it was even the aliens that made it like that.
Well we can assume, given how large the Alien army would have to be to drive off the ENTIRE human population, that'd they have to consume everything just to survive, which creates said wasteland. There's a lot of mouths to feed.
Quote from: CanadianHero67 on Jan 10, 2009, 05:14:18 AM
How? In Starship Troopers why would they fight on some dry wasteland planet infested with bugs? In DUNE why people fight each other over a dust ball with huge ass worms?
That's why, my good fellow, it's fiction. :P
In all seriousness, the humans would have established comfortable living on the other planets, so they have no need to go back and kick alien arse over a wasteland.
Quote from: CanadianHero67 on Jan 10, 2009, 05:14:18 AM
I find your lack of faith in humanity... disturbing.
How do you know it would be a wasteland by the time the humans come back? No one knows how long it took for LV-426 to become a wasteland or if it was even the aliens that made it like that.
Quote from: CanadianHero67 on Jan 10, 2009, 04:38:12 AM
If it bleeds we can kill it.
Life would probably start again as far as I know. LV-426 could of already of being uninhabitable to humans. The only way humans would not go back to earth is if it were blown to tiny pieces.
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Yes we could kill them, but why bother? You'd invariably sustain large numbers of casualties for a completely changed earth, all vegetation would be stripped away, it'd just be another alien planet, except for all the ruined buildings and such. You have an ok home back on Mars, no need to fight the death bugs.
Quote from: Celtic-predator on Jan 10, 2009, 06:52:54 AM
Quote from: CanadianHero67 on Jan 10, 2009, 05:14:18 AM
How? In Starship Troopers why would they fight on some dry wasteland planet infested with bugs? In DUNE why people fight each other over a dust ball with huge ass worms?
That's why, my good fellow, it's fiction. :P
And this isn't? :P
Quote from: Celtic-predator on Jan 10, 2009, 06:52:54 AM
Quote from: CanadianHero67 on Jan 10, 2009, 05:14:18 AM
If it bleeds we can kill it.
Life would probably start again as far as I know. LV-426 could of already of being uninhabitable to humans. The only way humans would not go back to earth is if it were blown to tiny pieces.
Yes we could kill them, but why bother? You'd invariably sustain large numbers of casualties for a completely changed earth, all vegetation would be stripped away, it'd just be another alien planet, except for all the ruined buildings and such. You have an ok home back on Mars, no need to fight the death bugs.
Why do I get the feeling your one of those aliens. :D
Earth is changed and there are a lack of humans in the future in the Terminator franchise but do those humans stop fighting and let them win? No. Why would would humans go through all the trouble to make LV-426 a colony of earth?
P.S is it LV-426 or am I getting mixed up with the games?
I think a military operation solely for the purpose of exacting revenge on the aliens is a bit silly.
If the aliens have overrun Earth, there's probably not much to win back. The military would be better off nuking Earth from orbit, why on Earth [pun intended] would the military want to risk the lives of tens of thousands of marines ...
Plus aliens are not sentient, it would be like taking revenge on a lion for eating your friend ... I guess some people would do that but that's not how the military works
I don't understand why people would just let earth go to hell?
Quote from: happypred on Jan 11, 2009, 05:56:19 AM
why on Earth [pun intended] would the military want to risk the lives of tens of thousands of marines ...
So you wouldn't feel even a tiny bit of need for revenge one bit if thousands of families including yours were killed. :P
Quote from: happypred on Jan 11, 2009, 05:56:19 AM
but that's not how the military works
Then what was June 6, 1944 all about?
Just incase someone says "but aliens are not people". Humans bleed, aliens bleed, end of story. It is as if people don't think humans can fight aliens succesfully when they can if they use their one advantage against the aliens... intelligence. Sure they can sneak around but think about it.
All aliens do is gather host, kill, and sneak around and thats all. The humans made me see that in Alien 3 when they captured the dog alien. Any human with a brain would know that dark room was a trap but did the alien see that, no, the alien was far to concern either making that guy a host or just kill him, too dumb to notice what was really going on. If you want to beat aliens than you have to think like them.
No offence to alien fans. I am a fan of aliens too but when people like me see a point like that aliens are not so tough anymore.
Quote from: CanadianHero67 on Jan 11, 2009, 06:35:00 AM
So you wouldn't feel even a tiny bit of need for revenge one bit if thousands of families including yours were killed. :P
You would, but if the entire operation would be ridiculously expensive in equipment and lives.
It's just not necessary. Revenge is driven by politics in this case. The Government wouldn't be willing to waste billions to take back a useless piece of rock. It's just not done.
Quote from: CanadianHero67 on Jan 11, 2009, 06:35:00 AM
Then what was June 6, 1944 all about?
Completely different situation. The Allies in World war 2 would have been put into oppressive rule had they not fought back, they were almost forced to. In this AvP situation the humans can choose to sit comfortably back and NOT die back on Mars or whatever.
The issue isn't about how hard it is to take back Earth from Aliens, the issue is how much it would cost and what would you gain. As it stands, as I have said: You gain a lifeless rock, and lose lives and money.
Not worth the effort. Revenge isn't everything.
Again, why should earth be different from LV-426 when humans made a colony on the planet? Why go through all the trouble to put a atmosphere processor on that planet? Why go through the trouble of cleaning the atmosphere of that planet?
And how would earth be lifeless? Earth has endured Ice ages, snowball earths (when earth is 100% frozen for thousands of years), huge meteors, you name it and life is still kicking.
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Quote from: CanadianHero67 on Jan 11, 2009, 06:35:00 AM
Then what was June 6, 1944 all about?
Sure they can sneak around but think about it.
All aliens do is gather host, kill, and sneak around and thats all. The humans made me see that in Alien 3 when they captured the dog alien. Any human with a brain would know that dark room was a trap but did the alien see that, no, the alien was far to concern either making that guy a host or just kill him, too dumb to notice what was really going on. If you want to beat aliens than you have to think like them.
Also reminds me of a quote.
Hunter Borgia: "In habit lies vulnerability"
well the allies in WWII had something to gain, not being conquered is a pretty good motive
the humans don't really have much to gain in ur hypothetical
they can live on other planets
There is never nothing to gain.
Life is one thing you can gain. Earth being completely 100% frozen for thousands of years and the land formations on LV-426 are not so different. I am confident that no matter what the aliens throw at earth life will always continue until the earth itself is blown to tiny pieces.
There are probably still many mysteries on earth that we probably would be dying to discover, where is the nearest planet similar to earth?
Now that I think about it it is like a more large scale alien version of Independence Day. "We will not go quietly into the night"! It also came to mind, earth is important because it has something in large quantities that the rest of the planets around don't have and that's WATER. Can't live on other planets without that can you.
Also for the invasion itself its not like I am just dropping thousands of marines on earth. There will be days or weeks of bombardments from orbiting ships across the atmosphere and precision air strikes. Then the marines go in and do their job as well as using tactics that defeat their tactics. Especially with the use of flamethrowers. The landing zones would have to be few though. Two or three in each continent so that the human armies would not be spread thin right at the start. Yes the war would be long but we need to retake the earth in baby steps otherwise the humans have already lost. And of course the isn't just shooting and dodging, the primary mission is to infiltrate hives, eliminate queens and eggs, then destroy hives with explosives. Elimination of all other aliens is secondary but not mandatory.
Changes I might make to it such as the timeline. I don't know if I want to get rid of my female human warrior in the predator clan, I like that so much! ;D
yeah well, I said there probably won't be much to gain ... not enough to outweigh the effort and risk
hey, I don't like it but it's your idea ...
Agree to disagree. :)
At least out of this I learned that knowlege can defeat anything even aliens. :) Probably would not make it as a movie but maybe a good novel or game.
What if humans colonized an earth like planet kinda like avp extinction with the mines and all. Theres a hidden pocket of eggs and people are becoming affected while others are unaware. Then lets say Aliens start colonizing heavily and marines are sent in. Somehow predators would have to get involved. I havent quite figured it out.
For a teaser trailer u could have a shockwaves going through a water puddle u know like jurassic park, have the trex walk out of some forest and roar with great sound from there movies, giving people the impression of a new jurassic park movie then u see three ret dots appear on the trex and u hear a whip like noise and see it dropped by a predator cannon. That would get people going, at least to me. its a funny thought to think about with that kind of trailer and all.
Don't really give a sh&t about the setting, just a quality production that doesn't feel the need to homage every other film in the franchises.
What if by an unknown reason, a space jockey activate an anti-material mega bomb which destroy the universe and no more avp?
You've got a hell of an imagination.
Quote from: Le Celticant on Jan 13, 2009, 05:39:55 PM
What if by an unknown reason, a space jockey activate an anti-material mega bomb which destroy the universe and no more avp?
;D
I am writting an AVP script I have two ideas one is already in script form but it is very short and done a while back - the other is what I am doing now it has potential and if anyone wants I'd be fine to give a summary.
i dont mind what they do with avp3 as long as its set in space... aliens just dont fit in on earth, they lose most of the fear factor, cant be a narrow corridor with steam coming out of vents and lights flickering then an alien pops out of a grate on the floor.
LOL thanks , for repling GRIMYGHOST , this thread seemed dead.
Colonial Marines get shot down by Predators and are stranded on an unexplored planet. The Predators use the marines as bait to lure Aliens out from a nearby hive (or something, I don't really know) for their own reasons (maybe for hunting, or to capture a Queen to fuel further coming-of-age-hunts like in the first AVP film). All hell promptly breaks loose.
There is my rough, amateurish, outline for an unconnected third instalment.
Well , not bad by now I've done two fully developed scripts one in the present and one in the future both good depending on what you like. ;D
I would like to see a screen adaptation of the game Aliens vs. Predator 2.
The setting was so eerie and the characters were unforgettable. Seeing them on the big screen would be a real treat.
IMO, this would be interesting because the film could follow all three characters, Harrison, The Predator and The Alien. In the end, all three would come out as heroes.
That would keep me happy.
Here is my idea
I had watched AVP-R with the commentary and heard that they tried to get I am assuming Adam Baldwin to reprise his role of Garber. Not sure why he wouldn't do it, maybe it wasn't a big enough part for him I don't know. For AVP 3 it would be great to get Adam Baldwin to reprise his role from Predator 2 and play Garber along with Robert Joy as Col. Stevens, and have Jake Busey play the son of Peter Keys from Predator 2 and is the husband of Ms. Yutani from AVP-R. Also have someone play the role of Charles Bishop Weyland's son, Robert Patrick maybe, so they can show them working together as a joint company.
It should start about a six months to a year after AVP-R, but it will have the company of now Weyland-Yutani Corp. back in Gunnison, Colorado examining the landing pod in the lake that the predator used in AVP-R then transporting it back to a research facility. Then you can show another team in Antarctica getting the frozen Alien Queen out of the water. Once they get her out, they transport her to the same Weyland-Yutani military research facility complete with military personnel, where they took the landing pod, on a remote tropical island somewhere. They thaw her out and chain her up, in order to produce more eggs. They then maybe have military prisoners and use them as hosts for the aliens.
There would have to be the inevitable disaster in order to get the Aliens to start running a muck. Then we see a ship that looks like the ship that was found in the first Alien movie and seen in the extended edition of Aliens, this ship is used by the Space Jockies (the big creature in the chair in Alien) and the Predators to transport Alien eggs to other hunting grounds. While they are passing by Earth they do a scan for the heat and conflict they crave, the monitors could show some battles in Iraq and Afghanistan and then they discover that the Aliens are running a muck on the tropical Island with the Weyland-Yutani installation.
So they cloak the ship and land at a remote spot on the island. All 3 Predators leave the ship and the lone Space Jockey is left behind. Some scientists and military personnel at the facility noticed the atmospheric disturbance from the ship and see it land and with the thermal suits (Predator 2) they do a recon mission to the ship (do not go inside). They place a sophisticated homing device on the outside of the ship and return to the base. While this is going the remaining military personnel, scientists, Aliens and Predators are fighting it out on the island.
The Queen and a drone can end up escaping and on the way to the ship she lays her egg that will house a face hugger with a Queen and drone embryo(as in alien 3). She then instructs the drone and face hugger that is out of the egg to head to the ship (just as she instructed the drones in Aliens to back away from Ripley). She then turns back to fight the remaining 2 predators.
The Drone and face hugger make it to the ship where they go to the observatory with the big telescope, where the drone knocks out the Space Jockey and then it is impregnated by the face hugger. All the Aliens are killed on the island and 1 Predator remains and after he kills the queen he boards the ship to leave. (There will be NO explosion to kill everything on the island) The predator takes off in the ship and once the ship is on course he then proceeds to the observatory room where he sees the space jockey against the wall passed out. He scans the jockey and sees the queen embryo gestating inside. The same face hugger tries to impregnate the Predator (as in Alien 3 I think the final face hugger from the queen carried 2 embryos) but the Predator kills the face hugger. Then the drone emerges and a fight happens between him and the Predator. The drone is killed and melts a hole in the deck (Like the hole in Alien.), unfortunately the predator is under the alien when the acid blood comes out and is killed in the process.
You could then go back to the Weyland-Yutani scientist tracking the ship, and then go back to the Space Jockey ship a few hours later when the Space Jockey comes to. He then hops into the big telescope chair and then you can show the Space Jockey convulsing with the Queen trying to get out, he uses the telescope chair to locate a planet to land / crash on, he then resets the computer to land / crash on a planet LV-426(from Alien and Aliens) He then sets the computer to issue the warning signal. Then the Queen bursts out of his chest killing him, And then the Queen chestburster goes down the hole made by the drone. Once the ship comes to a stop the last thing you see is the Queen going through the ship and then the camera pulls back and you see of all the eggs that Kane saw in the first Alien movie complete with the mist and the blue barrier. This is how Weyland-Yutani Corp. knows about the ship and Alien in the first Alien movie, because it has the homing device on it. Plus it has the warning from the space jockey that mother deciphered in Alien.
I think this would be a good way to meld the story lines together.
darthmaul1 Nice idea, but why would the space Jockey come to Earth? I might have missed that part. Other then that pretty interesting for a setting on Earth again. :) But I still don't think an AVP film should be done I just don't think anything good will come out of it, especially after how awful AVPR was.
That would certainly be a great homage to the original classic and is a lot more neutral than the last two AvP films.
There is one thing that bothers me.
Keep in mind the Space Jockey was fossilized.
Could it fossilize in the time between this and Alien? Alien was in the not to distance future
(SOMEWHERE IN TIME AND SPACE ;D)
Thanks, the space jocky was with the preds and I thought they would be the perfect handler for the aliens given their size. The ship was more of a transport ship but when they notice the aliens running a muck they go down to fix the problem.
As for the space jockey being fossilized, i do believe Dallas said "an Alien life form looks like it's been dead a long time, and fossilized."
A few things with that, how would dallas know it was fossilized? It may look just fossilized.
and don't you need extreme pressure and heat for fossilization? so how could that happen where they are? I think that when the ship decompressed in the crash the atmosphere affects the space jockey and it turns into what it looks like in Alien. Maybe something like what happened to Arnie and that in total recall when they were exposed to mars's atmosphere. or like the simpsons with the fog that turns you inside out. :) LOL
What do you think of that?
Touche. ;)
I think that if a bunch of fans got together (with considerable influence) and worked real hard, they could probobly make a kickass AvP3 or AvP reboot.
Ain't no money in it. And without money, interest in such things wanes very quickly.
sure there is money in it, the first one made money and so did the 2nd
if they were to go with something along the lines with what i wrote and get a good director and writer then they would be good to go
Say get, Shane Black to direct and write or nicholas meyer and it would do very good.
I can even see the tag line: In AVP you were face hugged, in AVP-R you were chest burst now in 2011 prepare to shed your skin and mature for Aliens Vs. Predators /// (title??)
can't think of a title or if it needs one any ideas anyone?
They barely brought back their budget, and they only succeeded internationally when it came to making money.
Quote from: darthmaul1 on Jul 08, 2009, 03:46:14 AM
I can even see the tag line: In AVP you were face hugged, in AVP-R you were chest burst now in 2011 prepare to shed your skin and mature for Aliens Vs. Predators ///
Haha, funny.
A perfect AVP movie for me would be a faithful recreation of he first AVP comic from 89 set on Ryushi. Perfectly captured the vibe of Aliens and the portrayal of the Predators. f**king love this comic and novel
Quote from: JamesCameronOnline on Jul 11, 2009, 03:59:08 AM
A perfect AVP movie for me would be a faithful recreation of he first AVP comic from 89 set on Ryushi. Perfectly captured the vibe of Aliens and the portrayal of the Predators. f**king love this comic and novel
My sentiments exactly.
-Rakai'Thwei
Quote from: JamesCameronOnline on Jul 11, 2009, 03:59:08 AM
A perfect AVP movie for me would be a faithful recreation of he first AVP comic from 89 set on Ryushi. Perfectly captured the vibe of Aliens and the portrayal of the Predators. f**king love this comic and novel
Yuatja predators and cannon-fodder aliens. Wow. How original. :P
The comic had none of the Yautja crap. Steve Perry added that in the novel.
The comic has the teamup doesn't it? Ok, I admit I haven't read the comic. But Paul Anderson's AVP was partly based off the comic.
I'd rather see them go back to basics with just one alien and one predator hunting people.
Quote from: DoomsdayApocalypse on Jul 11, 2009, 07:25:07 AM
The comic has the teamup doesn't it?
Yes. Wouldn't be too hard to ditch it.
QuoteBut Paul Anderson's AVP was partly based off the comic.
He took a few ideas. But didn't execute them near as well.
QuoteI'd rather see them go back to basics with just one alien and one predator hunting people.
Which would probably get really boring really quickly. People want them to fight.
Quote from: SiL on Jul 11, 2009, 07:30:07 AM
Which would probably get really boring really quickly. People want them to fight.
And that's the main problem.
No one wants to see a well-made movie, they just want to see two rubber monsters slapping the shit out of eachother.
Quote from: DoomsdayApocalypse on Jul 11, 2009, 07:32:23 AM
Quote from: SiL on Jul 11, 2009, 07:30:07 AM
Which would probably get really boring really quickly. People want them to fight.
And that's the main problem.
No one wants to see a well-made movie, they just want to see two rubber monsters slapping the shit out of eachother.
If they're not going to fight,at least not have a misleading title like
Aliens vs Predator.
That's why I find the whole idea ill-suited for a movie. I've approached the concept from a lot of different angles, and that's what it boils down to; constructing a movie around dudes in rubber suits dry-humping each other to death.
The original comic did it decently, but it's been cherry-picked by the movies so much it would seem tired now; The fights didn't really ever take center stage, seen more from a distance from the human characters' points of views. It allowed you to have your fights without derailing the movie. It never cut from the characters to just the creatures fighting.
Approached like that, I think a decent story could be made. I doubt anyone would try it, though.
Quote from: SiL on Jul 11, 2009, 07:37:51 AM
The original comic did it decently, but it's been cherry-picked by the movies so much it would seem tired now;
I agree. NOW it would be pointless. two movies executed the idea of the two species fighting together and its a tired and hated concept now. Plus, Anderson borrowed few elements from it,thats why I said AVP movie not AVP3 movie. Such a shame nobody wanted to actully adapt the comic - the story that was so good and so successfull that it was such a well received hit at the time and spawned the joint franchise
They did want to, and started on it, but it became too expensive/Alien producers didn't want to do it/the stars refused to align/whatever other dozen reasons you can find around that came together to make it a nonentity.
Then when Davis had the chance ... he decided that setting it on Earth would be the best idea.
Because the man recognises good ideas about as well as people recognise someone farting on another continent.
I have a page on AvP Prey Adaptions.
Check http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=24367.msg504997#msg504997
Hm, maybe the AvP franchise is dead after all. I realize it would be for the best, but I'd still like to see a third film.
err lets say the future, different planet, marines, guns, explosions, smart aliens, smart predators not a bunch of newbs of their blood hunt, plenty of carnage, full action shot instead of little flash clips and possibly have John woo as the director.
A full Cg AVP film would be great. It's not a problem with Aliens moving or Predators, but it's getting them to fight in a way that dosen't look idiotic. It could be done, but that'd cost time and money.
What about this concept.
A space station shuttle some how contains Alien eggs. Over time, neglecting details, the station is infested and due to the infestation the station crash lands on the nearest planet with a military base.. that being a jungle planet being dominated by a group of Predators?.. maybe?
Maybe have a link between surviving characters in the station and surviving characters on the planet and some how end the final battle in the middle of space where both creatures came from... in a way.
just go with my idea a couple of pages back to close out the franchies. or at least make it so they can do individual avp movies after it.
I sent my idea to joel silver.
How about this...
The government takes up the queen still frozen and believed to be dead, they heat her up to study her and she awakes.
She makes a hive at the lab and have all the people in it face hugged.
The government sees this but can't nuke the place because of it's location, a nuke would destroy the ozone layer or have the world flooded so they decide to send a team, the team gets killed quickly.
Another queen is born and driven from the hive, she sneaks on the ship that dropped the team of soldiers of.
The mission was a falior and the captain is ordered to return to base, when the ship reaches the base at the main land it's a ghost ship, the whole crew is missing, the engine room on the ship has become a new hive and now the aliens have a whole continent with potential prey...
a jump forward, the Predators watching this planet from space is given the "go" for hunting season, it's conflict, it's warm, when they look closer they see the war is between humans and Aliens, they decide to hunt the Aliens.
Once they arrive, a group of 15-20 Predators, they start hunting the weakest first, they find a large human group who has done well against the aliens and they start with them, killing humans first aliens second.
They work their way into the human base located in a big mountain but it leaves the base open for the horde of aliens on the outside, once inside the base they meet resistance from the human fraction, the Predators get separated and deeper inside the base two predators will come across a group of humans talking about a potential way out.
The humans are found in a large room, looking at maps, talking about a taking the mines, going inside the large caves and make their way out on top of the mountain, but it's so high and they wouldn't be able to get off the mountain without a helicopter, the Predators make their move and they corner the humans but out of the shadows we'll see a shiny object being thrown by a female, it kills one of the two Predators but the other Predator is quickly on to her, he grabs her by her throat and lifts her up against the wall, the Predator raises his hand, the wristblades come out as he's about to throw the killing blow, the woman turns her head away as a reflex, the Predator stops, he looks at her then on the Predator she killed, it has a spear in it, a spear belonging to them, he looks at the woman, she's marked on the cheek...
She's one of them...still she ain't, he releases his grip and she falls to the ground, the predator walks toward his fallen clan member...
...Another Predator(2) comes in, he sees his clan member standing over a Predator corpse with a Predator spear in it, not far away theres a woman on the floor, still alive, along with her there's some other people hiding in the corners, shaking, the Predator(2) howl's as he thinks the other Predator killed one of them, with the wristblades out he attacks the other Predator, they fight and the attacking predator(2) loses, the woman approaches the winning Predator saying "the enemy of my enemy used to be my friend, what are you..." The Predator doesn't reply.
Then suddenly, a group of Aliens attacks them. The Predator and woman fights the aliens and the Predator saves some humans by killing some Aliens, but the predator gets very wounded doing so.
The battle is over and one human, a man, picks up a rifle, he is about to shoot the wounded Predator as the Predator says "friend"...
Lex stops the man from shooting the Predator, saying they have "use" for him, if they are to survive.
She and the other humans helps the Predator and they flee deeper inside the mountain, into the mines and caves...
The other Predators have noticed that the Aliens have found their way inside the mountains and there's a full scale war going on, Predators killing humans and Aliens, Aliens killing both Predators and humans...
The battle makes the entrance to the mountain fall in and they are locked inside the big mountain, with a large amount of aliens that where able to get in as the defenses didn't work.
The Predators come across the two slain Predators and witness by watching their masks that one was killed by a Predator spear being thrown at it and the other being killed by their team member found standing over the corpse of the first Predator, the team member has become a "bad blood" he's no longer a hunter but prey who should be killed on sight...
They start tracking the wounded Predator as some aliens are seen tracking them...deeper inside the caves.
Will the humans and the wounded predator be able to reach the top?
Will they have the Predator call for his ship to pick them up and take them to some other place believed to be safe?
Or will they all become victims of the Aliens and Predators chasing them in the mines, in the caves...
ACT ONE
Opening from "Prey"
A Predator spacecraft enters orbit around a desolate world and the Predators begin to gather their weapons.
The planet is home to a colony of humans, whose job it is to manage a fuel/parts depot for Weyland-Yutani shipping on long-distance flights.
As well as this, the planet is covered with a labyrinth of caverns and tunnels.
The colony is introduced as a distant light from the Outsider's house.
The Outsider has no contact with the other colonists, and runs a one-man survey station that checks geological stability.
He drives into the town, and everyone either ignores or insults him.
A group of kids slash his tyres, and he chases them, dropping his groceries, and he is beaten up by a group of teenaged colonists.
A survey team heads down into one of the caverns to continue the mapping process, but are being watched by security devices, that link the footage back to the Predator ship.
The pilot presses a series of buttons.
Deeper in the caverns, an ancient machine lets out several frozen eggs, and they begin thawing.
The Outsider returns to his survey station, and is told by another survey team that they are going down to see why they lost contact with the first team.
Out of nowhere, one of the second team bursts into his station and frantically screams of "eggs" and "spiders"
None of the colonists believes him, but the Outsider volunteers to go down with a camera and check the area.
The Outsider goes down with the man, and reveals a huge cache of illegal weapons in the station.
The head down, and see the first team heading back up, but they all promptly are chestbursted.
The Outsider shoots some of them, discovering their acid blood, but they decide to go back and get more men.
The posse from before confiscate his weapons and go down themselves, and find the second team tied to the walls and already dead.
At that point, several Aliens attack and kill/capture them all.
Six Predators salute their pilot, and go down to the planet surface.
ACT TWO
The Man takes control of the survivors and they start barricading the colony off.
He follows Outsider, who is heading back to the station, thinking he is deserting them.
He gets inside, and sees that the Outsider is actually moving an even larger weapons cache into his truck and is going to move them to the colony.
As they drive, you see the Predator drop pods embedded in the ground.
The Predators enter the caverns and follow tracks they see through their helmets.
They soon break up in different directions, and start fighting Aliens.
One of them finds the Queens egg chamber, and steps in a pile of greenish jelly.
He is promptly eviscerated by a Praetorian.
The other Predators keep fighting, and another one sees the Praetorian coming up, and he tries to fight it, but is bashed into a group of Aliens and is dragged away.
Nameless sees this and tries to shoot it, but causes a tunnel collapse, and they are forced to find another way out.
The surviving Aliens return to the Queen, and she detaches from the ovipositor and they leave.
The Praetorian grabs multiple eggs and attaches them to its back.
The colonists are setting up more barricades, using decisions from the Man, but Man is actually taking advice from the Outsider.
After a discussion, the Outsider decides to reveal who he is.
On Earth, he was a mafia enforcer, considered one of the most dangerous men on Earth.
One day, he discovered that the Mafia, as well as practically every criminal organisation in the United States, was controlled by the Weyland-Yutani Corporation.
He tried to break his gang away, but they were attacked by corporates, and all were killed except for Outsider, who was taken to a hospital.
At the hospital, company doctors tried to kill him, but he escaped and fled to the outer rim, eventually settling on the colony.
One of the trucks being moved as a barricade is attacked by an Alien, and it crashes into the colony wall.
Several more Aliens attack, and start capturing/killing colonists.
The colony officers escape in the only accessible ship, but discover the Queen is nesting in it, and they are pinned down.
The few colonists who can escape to the control centre, and realise about 200 people are missing or dead.
The Predators finally reach the Surface and see the Aliens taking over the colony, and satisfied that they will have prey soon, they sit down and wait.
The Predator Drop Pods are similar to AvP Prey
The green jelly is Royal jelly that one of the Drones ate to transform into a Praetorian
ACT THREE
The Aliens gain numbers and after a day has passed, launch a fresh assault.
They attack the control centre from every possible angle (vents, ducts, doors, onside, outside) and the colonists form a defence.
Dual sees the defence with a zoom function, and calls the others, Flame, Viking and Nameless over.
They see the courageous defence and decide to attack now, as they think the humans might win.
The cloak and sneak in in style, cutting through about half the Aliens.
The other half stops their attack and piles on the Predators, and Viking is impaled.
The colonists see Vikings corpse, and some go outside.
The Predators decloak, and stare at the humans.
Outsider says, "What the f**k are we dealing with!?" and Dual shows them a holographic presentation on the Alien life cycle.
They promptly enter the colony building to hunt down the survivors.
The colonists decide to help the Predators, and half of them try to keep up.
The Predators butcher their way through multiple Aliens, and enter a massive foundry.
The humans finally catch up and see that there are literally Aliens everywhere.
Man activates a hydraulic press that crushes most of the Aliens, but the Predators are visibly annoyed.
They pull off their helmets and their Plasmacasters, and block the human's firing line, so they can duel the Aliens and redeem their honour.
They are attacked, and force the survivors to retreat, but Dual and Burner are injured, and can't run anymore, so Nameless goes on alone.
He eventually reaches an elevator shaft and looks down, seeing a gigantic swarm of facehuggers with a (believed to be the) Praetorian and several drones.
They all charge at him, and he fires a net down at them, and jumps down the shaft, jumping from wall-to-wall in massive falling fight with the Aliens.
He sees the bottom, and sees numerous Alien corpses and a pool of acid blood, so he swings out into the bottom room, just after the other Aliens who were falling smash onto the ground, dying.
The survivors crawl out and attack him, but he kills them all, before epically duelling and decapitating a (believed to be the) Praetorian.
He turns around and sees a huge shedded skin, and a broken Praetorian crown.
He follows tracks and finds a massive room, with a discarded ovipositor hanging from the ceiling, before being promptly attacked by the Queen.
The colonists find another elevator and start going down.
Nameless and the Queen wrestle, but is soon pinned and about to be head-bited...
...when the colonists arrive and blow the Queens weak spots out.
The Queen charges and brutally kills several Colonists, but Outsider rolls under it and blows her chest out, before shooting her repeatedly in the head.
The Predator gets up, walks to Outsider...
...and kicks him in the chest so hard he flies across the room.
The Colonists point their guns at the Predator, but Outsider orders them to stand down.
The Predator heads back up and meets Dual and Burner.
They both head back up to their drop pods and take off.
They get a communication from the Pilot, showing the ship from before that the officers tried to escape in.
Nameless changes course and attaches his pod to the side of the ship and breaks in.
He fights seven drones (there were seven officers) and kills them all (their acid has no effect as the ship is coated with resin)
He finds the egg chamber (the old cargo bay) and shoots the Queens ovipositor off, before battling the Queen with a combistick.
After a close fight, he stabs the Queen in the throat and decapitates her.
He drags the head into the Pod and detaches, causing the ship to enter the planets atmosphere and burn up.
On the planet surface, they see a "shooting star", and Outsider begins to directly help the community for the first time, ending his self-imposed exile.
Nameless enters the ship and pridefully presents the Queens head.
Nameless is pretty much a rig
Dual has two sets of wristblades
Burner has a flamethrower on his wrist mechanism and a small one "for close encounters"
Viking has bear-like hair on his armour
Note this is not a blooding ritual: these are experienced Predators
Note the humans are using standard guns, so their effectivness on Aliens is significantly reduced, but they still work
The Second Queen is the original Praetorian that moulted after the Queen seperated from the hive mind ("dying").
It sounds like a good story, way better than the stories from the two movies we got.
I hope we one day may see this turn into a movie or even animation.
However, make the aliens more deadly when fighting the Predators,
I'm a Predator fan by heart but I really would like to see the Aliens be so deadly that they live up to the title "ultimate prey".
The Predator is a big game hunter, big game is prey that could hurt or kill the hunter, hunting ducks ain't big game, hunting lions are.
Something labled "ultimate" should be very dangerous to hunt and the odds would be against the hunter.
I'm not saying that this is something left out from your story, I wrote a large one my self and had to take away much, just to make it shorter for the ppl reading.
But a predator should take on the alien from the distance, pick them off one by one when they can, if they swarm him he's in trouble, if they swarm him and he has to defend himself by useing close combat he's dead, no matter how many hunts he's been on before.
One on one in a close combat situation, the Predator would have the odds against him.
The alien most deadly weapons when fighting a predator would be it's tail, head bite and acid blood, in close combat the Predators weapon of use would be the spear, it would lessen the threat from the head bite, it would distance him from acid blood splatter but the tail would still be a threat. The wrist blades may be acid proof but the Predator ain't, splatter may kill him or make him lose important body parts.
The Alien may claw him but I don't think they could scrach a fighting predator to death,
So I don't see the claws as the biggest threat for a Predator fighting an Alien.
However I think it would look cool if the Predator could heat their wristblades, so that they glow in the dark, the cuts would burn the wound and take away much of the blood splatter and useing this feat dureing a fight in a dark area would look awesome.
Useing fire as a weapon is not so good, the predator "sees" by heat, causeing fires would effect his vision, it may even blind him cause the fire in the room would raise the temperature in that area and the flames would need to be crazy high to kill the aliens he's about to hunt.
So I would equip "Burner" with something else more suited for Alien hunting.
And I read that the Predators have individual masks, you could identify the Predators by their masks not their weapons.
Nameless could have a mask that looks like wolfs, without the teeth and runes, make it smooth with a diffrent color, Duel could have a new design, Wiking could have horns, Burner could have the design of flames on his mask, not painted but molded into the mask, the sides on the upper forehead, the crown.
Hope you didn't get offended by this, it's just some stuff that came to mind reading your script.
However, I think it would be a good idea if you could work in a character from the AvP movies in your script, how about Molly O'Brien, Kellys daughter.
AVP-R ended with humans getting new tech, by the time molly is 32, they might be in space, she was 7 years old in AVP-R and much can happen dureing 25 years.
Her expirience might have driven her to studie hard and so that she may get a job at Weyland-Yutani, working in space as a pilot.
Or that they killed Kelly and made it look like sueside then they malipulated Molly to work for them so that they may keep her under close observation and to keep a lid on the information about Aliens and Predators, Molly didn't get killed cause miss Yutani couldn't have any kids on her own, she adopted Molly and became her foster mom...
Thanks for the feedback! :D
I didn't want to really connect with the AvP movies.
If you have a problem with the Aliens getting killed by the Predators, just extend the action sequences in your head, or picture the Predators as REALLY pissed off.
I really liked the part where Nameless kicks the Outsider!
Quote from: dragonthingy on Aug 02, 2009, 10:25:29 PM
Thanks for the feedback! :D
:)
QuoteI didn't want to really connect with the AvP movies.
Well, I was thinking that your script has the potential to redeem the AvP movies, so a link to them could turn out good, and if you'll send the script away so it may evolve into a movie I think that the ppl at FOX also would like that idea.I was thinking that the Molly character wouldn't be like a Ripley copycat, she would turn into more of a "Sara Connor" character, with her background with losing her mom who was a soldier, having an Alien kill her dad and being adopted by a cold ruthless person at a young age while she still is trying to cope with the tragedy in her life, she would turn out slightly "mental"...
QuoteIf you have a problem with the Aliens getting killed by the Predators...
No, I got no problem at all with the Aliens being killed by the Predators, as a Predator fan I like to see the Predator win, I like him to outsmart and kill many aliens but if the Aliens are killed without much of an effort it doesn't say that the Predator is an experienced hunter, it only weakens the prey.
We saw that in AVP-R.
I like the scene in P2, in the slaughter house when they are trying to trap him and Pussyface turns the situation around.
I would like to see something like that happen in a AvP movie, a couple of Aliens stalking a Predator making him the prey but the Predator notices them and takes back his role as the hunter, killing them.
Let the Predator do what he does, let him use all his weapons but don't make his opponent lesser for him to be able to do so, like take away the Aliens acid blood so that the Predator can kill them with his wristblades in close combat without being hurt by splatter from the wetwork.
QuoteI really liked the part where Nameless kicks the Outsider!
I like that part too, I liked it alot, a Predator is a hunter, if you steal his prey he will get pissed.
Get a director that knows the franchise, and what makes it so goddamn good, set it in the future (the Alien universe) put Colonial Marines in it, and make a good f**king movie-- It's not that complicated; just do it well, in a universe were both franchises blend well (one reason why the games are so good, is the choice to set it in the Alien universe).
Quoteand make a good f**king movie
:D
Damn! All those guys who've made bad films now know where they were going wrong! Great tip!
Quote from: SM on Aug 03, 2009, 04:05:17 AM
Quoteand make a good f**king movie
:D
Damn! All those guys who've made bad films now know where they were going wrong! Great tip!
Hahaha! Thank you! Seriously, they should have know AvP was going to be awful on sight of snow...
Quote from: Space Sweeper on Aug 03, 2009, 03:11:52 AM
Get a director that knows the franchise, and what makes it so goddamn good, set it in the future (the Alien universe) put Colonial Marines in it, and make a good f**king movie-- It's not that complicated; just do it well, in a universe were both franchises blend well (one reason why the games are so good, is the choice to set it in the Alien universe).
Yes. I agree.
Salvage something out of this mess of two horrible AvP movies.
Aliens versus Predator is a brilliant idea. But they choose morons to make it.
Could I have more feedback on my idea?
It's on page 46.
Quote from: SiL on Jul 11, 2009, 07:37:51 AM
That's why I find the whole idea ill-suited for a movie. I've approached the concept from a lot of different angles, and that's what it boils down to; constructing a movie around dudes in rubber suits dry-humping each other to death.
The original comic did it decently, but it's been cherry-picked by the movies so much it would seem tired now; The fights didn't really ever take center stage, seen more from a distance from the human characters' points of views. It allowed you to have your fights without derailing the movie. It never cut from the characters to just the creatures fighting.
Approached like that, I think a decent story could be made. I doubt anyone would try it, though.
I think in some ways you're right, but I don't think it has to be just about "dudes in rubber suits dry-humping each other to death". There must be ways around that because that sounds so freaking silly. If that's what the fights look like, then to me that means the director is lazy and can't choreograph a good fight.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Aug 03, 2009, 05:34:23 PM
Quote from: SiL on Jul 11, 2009, 07:37:51 AM
That's why I find the whole idea ill-suited for a movie. I've approached the concept from a lot of different angles, and that's what it boils down to; constructing a movie around dudes in rubber suits dry-humping each other to death.
The original comic did it decently, but it's been cherry-picked by the movies so much it would seem tired now; The fights didn't really ever take center stage, seen more from a distance from the human characters' points of views. It allowed you to have your fights without derailing the movie. It never cut from the characters to just the creatures fighting.
Approached like that, I think a decent story could be made. I doubt anyone would try it, though.
I think in some ways you're right, but I don't think it has to be just about "dudes in rubber suits dry-humping each other to death". There must be ways around that because that sounds so freaking silly. If that's what the fights look like, then to me that means the director is lazy and can't choreograph a good fight.
Agree And It would be nice to be able to see an AvP movie with a script and a Director who knows the creatures but doesn't see any of them as a favorite.
Like making one of the creatures superior in any given situation.
Sadly, we got that with both movies, if a AvP 3 ever happens I would like have that changed.
A grim and mirthless thought occured to me this morning: I look at the Peter Briggs script with fondness. A decade ago, when AvP looked even less likely than Alien V, we could all smirk at how demeaning it was to its characters and what a bad film it would make. What a bizarre time that was, when the worst thing about an AvP script was that it wasn't good enough rather than it being completely f**king antagonistic towards anyone who reads it.
I spent a long time arguing why "Predators seed planets with alien eggs for the ultimate hunt!" was a lousy idea. I never thought it would be competing with "Predator shoots down own spaceship and hunts aliens in Wal-Mart!"
I always thought it was kind of odd that the Predators would bring the Aliens to Earth for a hunt... I mean, the Predators seem smarter than that - they have that self-destruct device and all, surely they would have contingency plans in place in case they fail.
Anywho.....
I always figured that somewhere deep in Predator space, there was a planet with all sorts of wild animals and whatnot. They'd seed this planet with an Alien Queen or two (or ten), and let the Aliens spread like wildfire. Then, either A) the young Predators would arrive for their ritual hunt, or B) a dishonored Predator would be dropped off, the point being that when his buddies returned for him One Predator Year Later, if he were still alive, his honor would be restored, and if he'd become a chestbursted corpse...
Well, in that case, he probably wouldn't be interested in his honor anymore anyway.
Either way, doesn't seem like it'd be all that much of a stretch to just have a human starship crash land on this planet in the middle of all this, with a wide variety of human characters to watch desperately try to survive.
This way there'd be a wide variety of Aliens, a unique cast of Predators, (possibly even a downright evil one if you take the Dishonored Pred route), and hopefully an interesting cast of human folk. Plus, you'd have free reign to come up with just about any type of geographical terrain you could think of to set it in, a real opportunity to really set it apart from any other Aliens or Predator film that came before it.
Hope I got all that out clearly enough, I haven't had much sleep this week.
:-[
I am posting this again but i have tweaked it a bit, i also sent this to Joel Silver.
I had watched AVP-R with the commentary and heard that they tried to get I am assuming Adam Baldwin to reprise his role of Garber. Not sure why he wouldn't do it, maybe it wasn't a big enough part for him. It would be great to get him back to reprise his role from Predator 2 and play Garber, he could be the husband of Ms. Yutani. Also keep Robert Joy as Col. Stevens from AVP-R. Have someone play the role of Charles Bishop Weyland's son, Robert Patrick maybe, so they can show them working together as a joint company.
It should start about a six months to a year after AVP-R, but it will have the company of now Weyland-Yutani Corp. back in Gunnison, Colorado examining the landing pod in the lake that the predator used in AVP-R then transporting it back to a research facility. Then you can show another team in Antarctica getting the frozen Alien Queen out of the water (She was still alive when she was sinking). Once they get her out, they transport her to the same Weyland-Yutani military research facility complete with military personnel, where they took the landing pod, on a remote tropical island somewhere. They thaw her out and chain her up, in order to produce more eggs. They then maybe have military prisoners and use them as hosts for the aliens. Have to have someone comment on the notes made by Lex(AVP) that the aliens appeared in about 10 minutes, now they are taking hrs (in alien it must of been maybe 2 or 3 hours?)and the other creatures (predators) must of been giving the queen some sort of drug to accelerate the process.
There would have to be the inevitable disaster in order to get the Aliens to start running a muck. Then we see a ship that looks like the ship that was found in the first Alien movie and seen in the extended edition of Aliens, this ship is used by the Space Jockies (the big creature in the chair in Alien) and the Predators to transport Alien eggs to other hunting grounds. While they are passing by Earth they do a scan for the heat and conflict they crave, the monitors could show some battles in Iraq and Afghanistan and then they discover that the Aliens are running a muck on the tropical Island with the Weyland-Yutani installation.
So they cloak the ship and land at a remote spot on the island. All 3 Predators leave the ship and the lone Space Jockey is left behind. Some scientists and military personnel at the facility noticed the atmospheric disturbance from the ship and see it land and with the thermal suits (like Predator 2) they do a recon mission to the ship (do not go inside). They place a sophisticated homing device on the outside of the ship and return to the base. While this is going the remaining military personnel, scientists, Aliens and Predators are fighting it out on the island.
The Queen and a drone can end up escaping and on the way to the ship she lays her egg that will house a super face hugger with a Queen and drone embryo(as in alien 3). She then instructs the drone and face hugger that is out of the egg to head to the ship (just as she instructed the drones in Aliens to back away from Ripley). She then turns back to fight the remaining 2 predators.
The Drone and face hugger make it to the ship where they go to the observatory with the big telescope, where the drone knocks out the Space Jockey and then it is impregnated by the face hugger. All the Aliens are killed on the island and 1 Predator remains and after he kills the queen he boards the ship to leave. (There will be NO explosion to kill everything on the island) The predator takes off in the ship and once the ship is on course he then proceeds to the observatory room where he sees the space jockey against the wall passed out. He scans the jockey and sees the queen embryo gestating inside. The same face hugger tries to impregnate the Predator, but the he kills the face hugger. Then the drone emerges and a fight happens between him and the Predator. In the final blows of the fight, the Alien is thrown to the floor and he stabs the Predator through the neck with his tail and with his last breath the predator decapitates the alien and collapses on top of the acid bleeding drone. The acid melts a hole in the deck (Like the hole in Alien.) and the now melting predator falls down the hole with the drone.
You could then go back to the Weyland-Yutani scientist tracking the ship, and then go back to the Space Jockey ship a few hours later when the Space Jockey comes to. He then hops into the big telescope chair and then you can show the Space Jockey convulsing with the Queen trying to get out, he uses the telescope chair to locate a planet to land / crash on, he then resets the computer to land / crash on a planet LV-426(from Alien and Aliens) He then sets the computer to issue the warning signal, after that the Queen bursts out of his chest killing him. The ship crashes and the hull breach occurs and the atmosphere gets in and makes the space jockey look as if it has been fossilized, And then the Queen chestburster goes down the hole made by the drone.
Once the ship comes to a stop the last thing you see is the Queen going through the ship and then the camera pulls back and you see of all the eggs that Kane saw in the first Alien movie complete with the mist and the blue barrier. This is how Weyland-Yutani Corp. knows about the ship and Alien in the first Alien movie, because it has the homing device on it. Plus it has the warning from the space jockey that mother and Ripley deciphered in Alien.
I think this would be a good way to meld the story lines together.
Perhaps Shane Black, who has written a few action films and even starred in the first Predator movie could write and direct it to bring a familiar element into the mix.
You sent that to Joel Silver?
No offense darthmaul1, but I would have tweaked that a lot more than you did, especially considering you planned to, and did, send it to Joel Silver.
I wasn't liking the Predator involvement in that idea at all.
Seemed like they were just thrown in to be with Space Jockeys and Aliens.
That would make a cool comic book.
As for a movie. They should just reinvent the AvP idea with a good writer and director as we have mentioned before, know these creatures and like them for what they brought to the movies they appeared in.
Quote from: The Demon on Aug 12, 2009, 10:33:02 PM
That would make a cool comic book.
As for a movie. They should just reinvent the AvP idea with a good writer and director as we have mentioned before, know these creatures and like them for what they brought to the movies they appeared in.
Yeah, and I wouldn't mind if they made the Predator just a fanatic hunter, like the Yautja.
Don't get me wrong...
...I don't want the Predators to be knights in shiny armor, I want them to be grim, without mercy.
Like if they show us something from their code, like the "rule" when hunting for food; then they must hunt weak creatures so that the line of speices they see as prey are kept strong.
It sounds honorable...
...Until we see the Predators sneaking into a hospital searching for children that are so sick that they never be adults and when they find them, they butcher them and then start eating them.
My bet is that not one of us would see the Yautja as heroic because of their "honorable" code after that...
They don't have to show us the ugly parts, they just have to make us understand what's going on.
It should be a movie about the humans trying to survive the different horrors both creatures present,
when it somes to the xenomorph eating then I rather have it following the battery theory, they don't eat...they charge up while resting...
And I would like the xenomorph to be very deadly in close combat situations, it would take a very skilled Predator to survive it, he would need to set the alien up for the kill, trick it into makeing a misstake that would cost it its life and the Alien would have to do the same with the Predator, it can't just sneak up behind it and kill it without any effort.
I don't wanna see any of the shit in AvP or AvP-R, none of the creatures could be made lesser in any way.
They would be bad guys...
Dammit, you're god-modding the damn predator again. They seriously need to find a way to appologise to the Aliens in the third movie, perhaps instead of one Pred kicking Alien ass, one Alien killing off members of a Pred ship. (JK)
Anyway, I was kinda hoping for a world-wide breakout, like they do it the way they did it in Revenge of The Fallen, they cover up the incident, and then, like you said, they thaw out the Alien mother in the ice, and bring her to some remote complex where they begin researching the creatures or something, and then, say, the pred ship lands and causes the aliens to break out. Soon, they're all over the damn place, hives everywhere, pred ships everywhere, they find there are predator doomsday weapons hidden inside of ancient ruins all over the world, and maybe onboard the pred mothership there is some mechanism for activating these weapons incase a planet-wide infestation were to occur, and the humans have to somehow find a way to shut it down before the timer hits '0'. And I am not sure if I would prefer one on one avp action, sure it is AVP but that shit gets old. I think it should just be like background story, inbetween major plot points have preds and aliens, like legions of preds fighting swarms of aliens, fighting each other all around the world, like egypt, paris, russia, etc, and most of the plot would surround the humans trying to find the 'off' button. In otherwords, try to make something different other than constant alien on pred action, it gets old.
Quote from: Pred Killer on Aug 14, 2009, 08:31:10 AM
And I am not sure if I would prefer one on one avp action, sure it is AVP but that shit gets old. I think it should just be like background story, inbetween major plot points have preds and aliens, like legions of preds fighting swarms of aliens, fighting each other all around the world, like egypt, paris, russia, etc, and most of the plot would surround the humans trying to find the 'off' button. In otherwords, try to make something different other than constant alien on pred action, it gets old.
If the focus isn't about the war, then it's not an AvP movie. That's the whole point, is to learn about the war.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Aug 14, 2009, 05:09:11 PM
If the focus isn't about the war, then it's not an AvP movie. That's the whole point, is to learn about the war.
Sry but fox seriously f**ked it up for me, not really interested anymore. Make it more dramatic than slasher cliche. More mysterious, horrific, like the originals. More horror/thriller than action.
Quote from: Milan on Aug 13, 2009, 01:25:39 AM
Like if they show us something from their code, like the "rule" when hunting for food; then they must hunt weak creatures so that the line of speices they see as prey are kept strong.
It sounds honorable...
...Until we see the Predators sneaking into a hospital searching for children that are so sick that they never be adults and when they find them, they butcher them and then start eating them.
My bet is that not one of us would see the Yautja as heroic because of their "honorable" code after that...
I think we got enough of that in AvP R.
Quote from: TheMonolith on Aug 14, 2009, 06:03:48 PM
Quote from: Milan on Aug 13, 2009, 01:25:39 AM
Like if they show us something from their code, like the "rule" when hunting for food; then they must hunt weak creatures so that the line of speices they see as prey are kept strong.
It sounds honorable...
...Until we see the Predators sneaking into a hospital searching for children that are so sick that they never be adults and when they find them, they butcher them and then start eating them.
My bet is that not one of us would see the Yautja as heroic because of their "honorable" code after that...
I think we got enough of that in AvP R.
Yes please no more cheap gore fest.
Quote from: Pred Killer on Aug 14, 2009, 07:10:42 PM
Quote from: TheMonolith on Aug 14, 2009, 06:03:48 PM
Quote from: Milan on Aug 13, 2009, 01:25:39 AM
Like if they show us something from their code, like the "rule" when hunting for food; then they must hunt weak creatures so that the line of species they see as prey are kept strong.
It sounds honorable...
...Until we see the Predators sneaking into a hospital searching for children that are so sick that they never be adults and when they find them, they butcher them and then start eating them.
My bet is that not one of us would see the Yautja as heroic because of their "honorable" code after that...
Quote from: TheMonolith on Aug 14, 2009, 06:03:48 PM
I think we got enough of that in AvP R.
Yes please no more cheap gore fest.
Ha Ha, why did you guys leave this part out? read the bolded text...:)
"...Like if they show us something from their code, like the "rule" when hunting for food; then they must hunt weak creatures so that the line of species they see as prey are kept strong.
It sounds honorable...
...Until we see the Predators sneaking into a hospital searching for children that are so sick that they never be adults and when they find them, they butcher them and then start eating them.
My bet is that not one of us would see the Yautja as heroic because of their "honorable" code after that...
They don't have to show us the ugly parts, they just have to make us understand what's going on."
I'm not after gore and splatter, that wasn't my point.
My point was that many people don't like the "yautja" being compared to the movie Predators,
and it's because the Yautja lives by a code that makes them honorable in their eyes,
I'm trying to point out that their code doesn't make these hunters so honorable...
...their code is the reason why a Predator would go to a children hospital in search for food.
But he could also find his way to the med-bay on a large spaceship and eat the wounded...same shit in the eyes of a Yautja.
I didn't mean gore wise. I meant the idea of kids getting eaten. The nursery scene.
It did the same thing you suggested, showed just enough to know what was going on, but it's the idea.
I think my idea on page 46 would work out like that
Threee of the six predators die and two are badly injured.
The Aliens encircle and outsmart the humans and Predators.
There is no serious action that isn't either not seen or at a bad camera angle in the entire act one.
Quote from: TheMonolith on Aug 15, 2009, 03:45:52 PM
I didn't mean gore wise. I meant the idea of kids getting eaten. The nursery scene.
It did the same thing you suggested, showed just enough to know what was going on, but it's the idea.
Well, it ain't really the same idea...
Chet is more "face hugger" than a Queen, cause she creates the embryo not the egg carrying the facehugger with the embryo.
Ask yourselves why do the embryo need a host to become "baby alien"?...
The alien need something from the host to in order to survive, I think it needs our genetic memory,
It gathers info not nutrition.
Still, the scene with Chet and the Pregnant lady's is about them being hosts for reproduction, the theme is "sex".
What I was talking about wasn't how the Predators would "make babies" and wasn't about feeding their babies or gathering information. It was about what the Predators would concider an honorable meal while hunting.
And I wasn't talking about babies, I was talking about
sick children, they wouldn't eat "Newt" if they found her healthy, but she would become a snack if she was ill, dying...
Use the head in the back. :P
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/gallery/albums/movies/avp2/adibook/normal_adibook37.jpg)
I originally posted this in the Worst AVP stories thread, but I felt like it needed to be here, too, just 'cause its funny.
Aliens vs. Predator: Resurrection
After Dallas, Ricky, and Kelly escape Gunnison, they are put into custody by the secretive Yutani corporation, and held pending termination (they do know too much, after all).
The Yutani corporation then enters into a business alliance with the Weyland corporation, who has recovered enough tissue from Scar to clone him, with the help of recovered Predator technology - and with the PredAlien embryo still inside of course.
The PredAlien, after maturing and being gawked at by WY scientists, inevitably escapes, and wreaks havoc throughout the base. Just when all hope seems lost for the three Gunnison survivors, however, they are rescued by Alexa Woods, and they track the PredAlien, with the help of a clan of Predator warriors, through New York City, where it's leaving a path of mangled corpses and building its army of alien warriors.
And, of course, because this version of Chet was crossed with Predator DNA, he would then partake in the Predator reproductive system, and gives birth to this bad boy from out of his vagi-er, mouth:
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The 'PredBorn', who is of course highly intelligent and uses weapons, then organizes the aliens (after killing Chet2) into taking over the united states. They're stopped, however, by Ricky Howard, after the startling revelation that he is in fact the first Synthetic.
NO!!! YOU MUST KEEP THAT BLASPHEMY CONFINED TO ONE THREAD ONLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
That is a very good imagination for a young kid. What are you 12-13? ;)
Fraid not. I was trying to come up with something Fox/Salerno would actually do, and this was the shit that came out the other end lol. Thought it was good for a few quick laughs.
Mission accomplished. 8)
Quote from: Mr. Domino on Sep 03, 2009, 03:52:46 PM
I originally posted this in the Worst AVP stories thread, but I felt like it needed to be here, too, just 'cause its funny.
Aliens vs. Predator: Resurrection
After Dallas, Ricky, and Kelly escape Gunnison, they are put into custody by the secretive Yutani corporation, and held pending termination (they do know too much, after all).
The Yutani corporation then enters into a business alliance with the Weyland corporation, who has recovered enough tissue from Scar to clone him, with the help of recovered Predator technology - and with the PredAlien embryo still inside of course.
The PredAlien, after maturing and being gawked at by WY scientists, inevitably escapes, and wreaks havoc throughout the base. Just when all hope seems lost for the three Gunnison survivors, however, they are rescued by Alexa Woods, and they track the PredAlien, with the help of a clan of Predator warriors, through New York City, where it's leaving a path of mangled corpses and building its army of alien warriors.
And, of course, because this version of Chet was crossed with Predator DNA, he would then partake in the Predator reproductive system, and gives birth to this bad boy from out of his vagi-er, mouth:
http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:Ko3BPnQyy21V7M:http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/43/Alien_026.jpg
The 'PredBorn', who is of course highly intelligent and uses weapons, then organizes the aliens (after killing Chet2) into taking over the united states. They're stopped, however, by Ricky Howard, after the startling revelation that he is in fact the first Synthetic.
LOL!!!
The most scary part about this is that it could really happen...
What's thought to be a derelict free-floating spacecraft enters orbit with a major population centre and crash lands. Turns out to be a Predator ship. There's, like, one survivor and he's pretty wimpy by Predator standards. However, through the compassion of his newfound Company buddies and determination, he finally learns to read and finds his place in human society as a library bouncer.
Also there's an Alien and he works at the library. No-one minds, though - he is very quiet.
I smell a sitcom!
The Predator, though very dependable and hard-working, feels threatened by Alien because he enjoyed the status of being the only extraterrestrial. He tries to fight his feelings of resentment, but ultimately falters and sleeps with Alien's girlfriend.
Alien finds out and is absolutely shattered - it is not particularly easy to find a girlfriend when your head looks like an erection with teeth. He confronts Predator about this and harsh words are exchanged before Alien simply breaks down crying. Feeling awful, Predator is now determined to make things right again and help Alien out through this hard time.
Through many wacky adventures, tough times and the occasional instinctual pang of violence, they become best friends, showing us that, after all, aliens of all kinds are capable of platonic love.
Aw.
And this is how Alien Loves Predator (http://www.alienlovespredator.com) got started.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jun 07, 2007, 09:15:16 AM
Space. Marines. Smart Aliens. All varients of Aliens. Jungle.
Now someones talking sense!
Quote from: A L I E N on Sep 05, 2009, 10:55:58 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jun 07, 2007, 09:15:16 AM
Space. Marines. Smart Aliens. All varients of Aliens. Jungle.
Now someones talking sense!
A small clan of predators, hunting as a team, their choosen prey is the marines, the humans are the the ones who released the aliens, by misstake. Predators do well at long rage, some do well at medium range, most die at close range when fighting an alien.
I would like that Aliens too have ships, some Hive ship, very ugly and abandoned, there is only one Alien, dead and frozen, some new species, but there are tons of eggs on that ship, and it crashes on Earth, but not US, that's just lame, why everything on US ground? Maybe France or Australia, where they multiply and nobody knows of it. There is a great black thing that can be seen from space, and it is the Mother Hive that they try to destroy
Just go with my idea that i posted a few pages back, that i sent to Joel Silver, John Davis, and god help me the strause brothers. The should tie the avp movie completely in with predator and alien. and my idea would do that.
Quote from: darthmaul1 on Sep 06, 2009, 07:43:44 PM
The should tie the avp movie completely in with predator and alien. and my idea would do that.
Please shoot me in the head first.
Don't rush. It's consigned to the waste paper basket of Joel Silver's PA's PA's PA..
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Sep 07, 2009, 01:19:34 AM
Quote from: darthmaul1 on Sep 06, 2009, 07:43:44 PM
The should tie the avp movie completely in with predator and alien. and my idea would do that.
Please shoot me in the head first.
Don't rush. It's consigned to the waste paper basket of Joel Silver's PA's PA's PA..
Hey no need to be nasty, if you can think of something better why don't you post your idea?
I did know that the idea would probably be thrown into the trash of who ever i sent it to, but i don't care, and felt it was a desent enough idea to send. and other people on other forums have enjoyed it.
What about a basic plot where a military squad goes in to a jungle/cavern environment (on another planet of course) to investigate an a strange corperation's operation involving the descovery of Aliens. With a violent encounters between the military and the bio operation - the Predator(s) are drawn in to the conflict to hunt meanwhile - the Aliens are spawning. Just an idea.
QuoteHey no need to be nasty, if you can think of something better why don't you post your idea?
Nothing to do with being nasty - just a statement of fact. It's unsolicited - it gets chucked without being opened. As for thinking of something better - waste of time, seeing as it will never see the light of day.
Quote from: SM on Sep 07, 2009, 05:12:31 AM
QuoteHey no need to be nasty, if you can think of something better why don't you post your idea?
Nothing to do with being nasty - just a statement of fact. It's unsolicited - it gets chucked without being opened. As for thinking of something better - waste of time, seeing as it will never see the light of day.
I was talking to the othe guy about being nasty, but that is ok, they would not chuck it without opening it, they would take read first they may not get very far into it before they chuck it though. :)
Quote from: darthmaul1 on Sep 07, 2009, 03:48:19 PM
they would not chuck it without opening it
Time is money, bubs.
No, it's more to do with protecting themselves from legal action. They don't want you to have a legitimate claim if they independently come up with a similar idea. So it's gets thrown out unopened.
Quote from: darthmaul1 on Sep 07, 2009, 03:48:19 PM
Quote from: SM on Sep 07, 2009, 05:12:31 AM
QuoteHey no need to be nasty, if you can think of something better why don't you post your idea?
Nothing to do with being nasty - just a statement of fact. It's unsolicited - it gets chucked without being opened. As for thinking of something better - waste of time, seeing as it will never see the light of day.
I was talking to the othe guy about being nasty, but that is ok, they would not chuck it without opening it, they would take read first they may not get very far into it before they chuck it though. :)
Don't take it personal. It's just that the idea of directly tying the three movie franchises together is something I strongly oppose, no matter how good the script is.
Sorry to break it to you, but no, unsolicited = unopened. They wouldn't look at it for legal reasons even if they wanted to. Which they don't.
Quote from: Mr. Domino on Sep 08, 2009, 02:17:09 AM
Sorry to break it to you, but no, unsolicited = unopened. They wouldn't look at it for legal reasons even if they wanted to. Which they don't.
Maybe that's how the AvP and AvP-R scripts were green lit in the first place,
Fox didn't know the shit that was in them...
Of course Fox knew what was in them. They greenlit the projects because they thought the stories were good enough.
Or at least, would make money...
Quote from: DoomRulz on Sep 09, 2009, 09:25:09 PM
Of course Fox knew what was in them. They greenlit the projects because they thought the stories were good enough.
I know, I wasn't serious about my reply... ;D
Quote from: SM on Sep 07, 2009, 11:29:41 PM
No, it's more to do with protecting themselves from legal action. They don't want you to have a legitimate claim if they independently come up with a similar idea. So it's gets thrown out unopened.
Correct. A fan once openly boasted about having a plan to sue James Cameron, based on the fact that he was going to send in his '
Terminator 3' script, wait until one was made and then claim the idea was stolen. This is precisely the reason why envelopes which seem to have scripts in them, will have a small tear in the corner and are then sent back: The secretary does this to check whether or not that really is what's inside.
If it's unopened, you're unable to try and sue them.
Sometimes, an executive happens to hunt around for stuff they've got in the vaults or whatever and, every so often, gets enthusiastic about it and the project gets resurrected. That's what happened with '
Predators', which Fox already apparently paid for, back in the day.
Maybe instead of making a new AVP they could do what Paul WS Anderson is doing with the Resident Evil movies after Afterlife, just start from the beginning again. LOL. Maybe they will redo AVP and make it better. Or just scrap it all together.
One would hope so.
Just put it in the ALIEN setting and give it more powerful elements of gritty sci-fi than the previous AvP movies had.
Quote from: Naissus on Sep 12, 2009, 05:32:04 PM
Maybe instead of making a new AVP they could do what Paul WS Anderson is doing with the Resident Evil movies after Afterlife, just start from the beginning again. LOL. Maybe they will redo AVP and make it better. Or just scrap it all together.
Just scrap it all together. I don't see the point in making more AvP movies at all.
you know theres bound to be a third movie sooner or later! maybe a reboot would work better and start all over fresh with a better story! it worked for the new hulk movie! ;D
My idea, if it was to be set in the future is that it could be set anytime between Alien 3 and Alien Resurrection.
Weyland Yutani has grown into the largest corporation in the planet (thanks to the technology developed from the Predator weapon in AVPR) and Earth is now their main HQ.
A Predator ship containing face huggers crash lands (couldn't think of anything original here sorry) on earth and Weyland Yutani captures them and secretly begins breeding Aliens in the hope of using them as the ultimate weapon.
However the Predator homeworld soon learns of these goings on and sends a group of Predators in to eradicate the threat.
However it does not go to plan and the Aliens escape, and begin an onslaught against the humans inhabiting the planet.
Weyland Yutani orders all of their colonial marines to battle and the film should finish with a 3 way battle between Aliens,Predators & Colonial Marines.
Then the film should end with the destruction of the earth and Weyland Yutani. (i.e. merging with the story of Alien Resurrection)
Anybody like my idea? :)
So, basically the first ALIENS omnibus, but with Predators?
Prepare to get panned by others here, it sounds like AVPR, I think my idea was better than that.
Quote from: NoFateButWhatWeMake on Sep 13, 2009, 12:30:37 AM
My idea, if it was to be set in the future is that it could be set anytime between Alien 3 and Alien Resurrection.
Weyland Yutani has grown into the largest corporation in the planet (thanks to the technology developed from the Predator weapon in AVPR) and Earth is now their main HQ.
A Predator ship containing face huggers crash lands (couldn't think of anything original here sorry) on earth and Weyland Yutani captures them and secretly begins breeding Aliens in the hope of using them as the ultimate weapon.
However the Predator homeworld soon learns of these goings on and sends a group of Predators in to eradicate the threat.
However it does not go to plan and the Aliens escape, and begin an onslaught against the humans inhabiting the planet.
Weyland Yutani orders all of their colonial marines to battle and the film should finish with a 3 way battle between Aliens,Predators & Colonial Marines.
Then the film should end with the destruction of the earth and Weyland Yutani. (i.e. merging with the story of Alien Resurrection)
Anybody like my idea? :)
sounds like an idea!
Quote from: MadassAlex on Sep 13, 2009, 04:22:40 AM
So, basically the first ALIENS omnibus, but with Predators?
With a couple of new elements, like a more futuristic setting, a MASSIVE apocalyptic atmosphere, with the whole planet caught in between, and more Predators than the first two AVP films.
Also, one thing I have really wanted in the AVP films is a big military standoff between the three races, which AVPR glimpsed at but never really expanded on. This plot would have to have massive battles.
The major flaw I feel is that the budget would have to be substantial, something which Fox probably wouldn't be willing to give in to.
:(
Madmax-desert-scrap planet+ pred's and aliens ???
Quote from: darthmaul1 on Sep 13, 2009, 06:59:17 PM
Prepare to get panned by others here, it sounds like AVPR, I think my idea was better than that.
Not really like AVPR at all.
What was your idea?
I'd like to hear a couple from different people. :)
Quote from: NoFateButWhatWeMake on Sep 14, 2009, 11:06:53 PM
Quote from: darthmaul1 on Sep 13, 2009, 06:59:17 PM
Prepare to get panned by others here, it sounds like AVPR, I think my idea was better than that.
Not really like AVPR at all.
What was your idea?
I'd like to hear a couple from different people. :)
Sorry meant to say the part with the ship carrying the facehuggers crashes sounded like AVPR, but i know for a fact lots of people here are going to say that it sucks cause it's on earth again (like mine) and why do these predators always crash on earth? but my idea was similar but more indepth, and i have posted it before like over a month ago. so here it is hope i wont get into bother for posting it again, and i got panned cause some people thought it sucked
It would be great to get Adam Baldwin back to reprise his role from Predator 2 and play Garber, he could be the husband of Ms. Yutani. Also keep Robert Joy as Col. Stevens from AVP-R. Have someone play the role of Charles Bishop Weyland's son, Robert Patrick maybe, so they can show them working together as a joint company.
It should start about a six months to a year after AVP-R, but it will have the company of now Weyland-Yutani Corp. back in Gunnison, Colorado examining the landing pod in the lake that the predator used in AVP-R then transporting it back to a research facility. Then you can show another team in Antarctica getting the frozen Alien Queen out of the water (She was still alive when she was sinking). Once they get her out, they transport her to the same Weyland-Yutani military research facility complete with military personnel, where they took the landing pod, on a remote tropical island somewhere. They thaw her out and chain her up, in order to produce more eggs. They then maybe have military prisoners and use them as hosts for the aliens. Have to have someone comment on the notes made by Lex(AVP) that the aliens appeared in about 10 minutes, now they are taking hrs (in alien it must of been maybe 2 or 3 hours?)and the other creatures (predators) must of been giving the queen some sort of drug to accelerate the process.
There would have to be the inevitable disaster in order to get the Aliens to start running a muck. Then we see a ship that looks like the ship that was found in the first Alien movie and seen in the extended edition of Aliens, this ship is used by the Space Jockies (the big creature in the chair in Alien) and the Predators to transport Alien eggs to other hunting grounds. While they are passing by Earth they do a scan for the heat and conflict they crave, the monitors could show some battles in Iraq and Afghanistan and then they discover that the Aliens are running a muck on the tropical Island with the Weyland-Yutani installation.
So they cloak the ship and land at a remote spot on the island. All 3 Predators leave the ship and the lone Space Jockey is left behind. Some scientists and military personnel at the facility noticed the atmospheric disturbance from the ship and see it land and with the thermal suits (like Predator 2) they do a recon mission to the ship (do not go inside). They place a sophisticated homing device on the outside of the ship and return to the base. While this is going the remaining military personnel, scientists, Aliens and Predators are fighting it out on the island.
The Queen and a drone can end up escaping and on the way to the ship she lays her egg that will house a super face hugger with a Queen and drone embryo(as in alien 3). She then instructs the drone and face hugger that is out of the egg to head to the ship (just as she instructed the drones in Aliens to back away from Ripley). She then turns back to fight the remaining 2 predators.
The Drone and face hugger make it to the ship where they go to the observatory with the big telescope, where the drone knocks out the Space Jockey and then it is impregnated by the face hugger. All the Aliens are killed on the island and 1 Predator remains and after he kills the queen he boards the ship to leave. (There will be NO explosion to kill everything on the island) The predator takes off in the ship and once the ship is on course he then proceeds to the observatory room where he sees the space jockey against the wall passed out. He scans the jockey and sees the queen embryo gestating inside. The same face hugger tries to impregnate the Predator, but the he kills the face hugger. Then the drone emerges and a fight happens between him and the Predator. In the final blows of the fight, the Alien is thrown to the floor and he stabs the Predator through the neck with his tail and with his last breath the predator decapitates the alien and collapses on top of the acid bleeding drone. The acid melts a hole in the deck (Like the hole in Alien.) and the now melting predator falls down the hole with the drone.
You could then go back to the Weyland-Yutani scientist tracking the ship, and then go back to the Space Jockey ship a few hours later when the Space Jockey comes to. He then hops into the big telescope chair and then you can show the Space Jockey convulsing with the Queen trying to get out, he uses the telescope chair to locate a planet to land / crash on, he then resets the computer to land / crash on a planet LV-426(from Alien and Aliens) He then sets the computer to issue the warning signal, after that the Queen bursts out of his chest killing him. The ship crashes and the hull breach occurs and the atmosphere gets in and makes the space jockey look as if it has been fossilized, And then the Queen chestburster goes down the hole made by the drone.
Once the ship comes to a stop the last thing you see is the Queen going through the ship and then the camera pulls back and you see of all the eggs that Kane saw in the first Alien movie complete with the mist and the blue barrier. This is how Weyland-Yutani Corp. knows about the ship and Alien in the first Alien movie, because it has the homing device on it. Plus it has the warning from the space jockey that mother and Ripley deciphered in Alien.
I think this would be a good way to meld the story lines together.
Perhaps Shane Black, who has written a few action films and even starred in the first Predator movie could write and direct it to bring a familiar element into the mix.
Quote from: darthmaul1 on Sep 15, 2009, 01:53:57 AM
Quote from: NoFateButWhatWeMake on Sep 14, 2009, 11:06:53 PM
Quote from: darthmaul1 on Sep 13, 2009, 06:59:17 PM
Prepare to get panned by others here, it sounds like AVPR, I think my idea was better than that.
Not really like AVPR at all.
What was your idea?
I'd like to hear a couple from different people. :)
Sorry meant to say the part with the ship carrying the facehuggers crashes sounded like AVPR
Yes well like I said I had trouble of thinking of something original there lol.
Maybe I should just have said that "As usual, an inevitable disaster occurs" like you lol.
they should pick up where the predators gun was getting handed to the Wayland corporation!
No. AvP and AvPR should be banished to Tartarus and forever forgotten. The whole AvP movie franchise should be restarted.. in space, of course.
QuoteMadmax-desert-scrap planet
= Spacehunter
Quote from: Puks on Sep 16, 2009, 08:58:14 PM
No. AvP and AvPR should be banished to Tartarus and forever forgotten. The whole AvP movie franchise should be restarted.. in space, of course.
already posted they should be restarted but don't see that happening! the space idea would work no more aliens on earth! ;D ;D
Quote from: CHAINS on Sep 17, 2009, 01:40:23 AM
Quote from: Puks on Sep 16, 2009, 08:58:14 PM
No. AvP and AvPR should be banished to Tartarus and forever forgotten. The whole AvP movie franchise should be restarted.. in space, of course.
already posted they should be restarted but don't see that happening! the space idea would work no more aliens on earth! ;D ;D
Yes the Earth attraction wore off very quickly didn't it?
A Space setting would open up a whole new direction in terms of ideas, and the choice of setting would almost be endless.
Quote from: Puks on Sep 16, 2009, 08:58:14 PM
No. AvP and AvPR should be banished to Tartarus and forever forgotten. The whole AvP movie franchise should be restarted.. in space, of course.
This person has a brain.
The whole idea of Avp has been spoiled. There's just no interest in it anymore. They should have gotten it right the first time and then never again.
The movies wouldn't work in space either. The Alien belongs in space, while the Predator belongs on earth. Moving one into the other setting would f**k everything up, as seen in AVP and AVPR by moving the Alien into the Predator setting. The exact same thing would happen if the Predator were to be moved into the Alien setting.
Jungle planet in the future.
SHAZAM.
Sweet!! Will Kaboobie the Flying Camel be in it too??
Well if they really wanted to do it right it would be a planet that looks a whole lot like Arizona in the future...with an asian chick replacing sanaa lathan.
An Asian chick? Then we'd end up with some live action jap crap.
Quote from: Private Hudson on Sep 18, 2009, 01:59:08 AM
An Asian chick? Then we'd end up with some live action jap crap.
Oh how I love narrow-mindedness. ::)
-Rakai'Thwei
Tell me about it. :-X
Quote from: Private Hudson on Sep 18, 2009, 01:59:08 AM
An Asian chick? Then we'd end up with some live action jap crap.
Holy unwarranted racism, Batman!
It reminds me of the remarks I'd hear from the hicks at school. ::)
Quote from: MadassAlex on Sep 18, 2009, 10:27:31 AM
Holy unwarranted racism, Batman!
unwarranted and racism...
together?...no
since when?
What I said wasn't racist at all, the Japs just come out with some dumb shit. Anything with Asians in it is bound to come out as some cartoony style shit.
Yeah, that's not racist.
That's just f**king moronic.
No, not moronic. I am pretty much saying that Jap stuff should stay away from Alien/Predator/AVP movies. Last thing the franchises need is ninjas and god damn predators in Samurai armor.
They already wear samurai armour - What do you think the look was based off in Predator 2?
And you're saying all this ... for the thought of a Japanese actor being in the film. You've made the incredible leap from someone Japanese being in the movie, to everything being "Japanese", which is in itself inherently bullshit - You do realise that ninja shit and samurai armour-centric stuff accounts for very, very little of Japanese cinema, right?
Well, obviously not, but seriously - Stop being an ignorant f**k before someone comes along and decides to revoke your posting privileges.
Fine, I'll stop being 'ignorant'.
I wouldn't want the whole Machiko team up to be used in AvP3, we've already had a team up in AvP1 (albeit with a black chick), one chick-predator pairing is enough
If they want to do an AvP3 set in the future, I think they should draw their inspiration from AvP Duel (which has a team-up too yes, but it's not as prominent and is IMO more believable)
How about just drop a team-up altogether, base it off the original comic, but find a way to write the original team up out of the story? Still use the setting at the very least.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Sep 19, 2009, 04:58:50 AM
How about just drop a team-up altogether, base it off the original comic, but find a way to write the original team up out of the story? Still use the setting at the very least.
I agree with you, especially 'bout the team-up part. However, I don't think it would be a good idea to base the movie on the original comic, but to use its setting might - just like you said - be the right way to go. What I didn't like about the comic (and as you all know I'm an Alien fan) is that there was too much focus on the Predators, and the Aliens felt really weak, uninspiring/derivative and bug-like (like they usually do in the comics). But I did like the desert planet and the whole Old West prairie town space pilgrims vibe and feeling Ryushu (right?) had. The two space truckers felt right and the colonists kind of felt like real people, which isn't that common in comics.
EDIT: Broken Tusk was too much of a super hero and Machiko was the typical genric run-of-the-mil heroine apart from being Japanese. And on a side note I think it would be cool if we for once had an Asian or Asian-American hero/heroine/main-character in AVP, since the absence of Asians in the A/P/AVP movies is quite striking.
As I've said ad nauseum, you could keep the team up but make it more realistic. Have Lex and Scar forced to team up because neither can win without the other. Or rather Scar - being the dominant member - can't win without Lex. Earlier when Lex kills the Alien, have Scar go to kill her, then the pyramid shifts and he's denied. Then later they're forced to team up to beat the Queen.
Ya, that's the best idea. Make them team up out of circumstance, as opposed to implied love.
Oh you can still keep the love aspect. ;D
Evil, evil man!
now that would be a hybrid
I would actually and before i say what i was going to, I always thought just watching aliens, would be that if there was a predator involved in aliens "the movie" i think it would of been pretty sweet, now onto what i was going to say. If they made a new avp movie sorta like aliens. Have some decent actors and actresses. Made amayzing sets, the movie would do really reaaly good in my honest opinion. But it seems our fearless FOX likes to fork out only little cash and have noobie actors and actress's make the movie to what it is....i mean look at avpr...COUPH HORRID! Anyways thats my thoughts on a new avp movie...Love to see it but if there going to revive it...basically do it RIGHT!
Quote from: DoomRulz on Sep 21, 2009, 12:52:38 AM
Ya, that's the best idea. Make them team up out of circumstance, as opposed to implied love.
The first AVP comic series nailed the team up for me. If they'd done it like that, then it'd be fine IMO.
There ain't going to be no team up in my script thats for dam sure.
Hes not your friend, hes not your boyfriend, hes not your partner. A Predator is a bad guy, the enemy, they called him the demon in Predator for a very good reason lol :D
QuoteHes not your friend, hes your boyfriend
And don't you forget it, mister!!
This series is far from dead. If there isn't any interest, it's because the only AvP movies made were half-retarded.. even the most die-hard fan gets discouraged. All it would take is 1 solid, serious effort, with new ideas, great actors, and, for the love of god, a trip down memory lane to those magical emotions that we used to enjoy, like HORROR for example.
These movies were awesome, Alien, Aliens, Predator, etc... Phenomenal, made by some very talented individuals. They went from A to B to C, they can always go back. If they keep making them, they're bound to improve! :D
Imagine if they had gone with the first Predator costume for the movie of the same name. We'd all be on here talking about a giant styrofoam B-Movie ant monster that hunted humans for sport.
Are we talking about Levithan and Deep Star 6?
The original Predator would've been in the same class and as such we wouldn't be talking about it.
We might be talking about the Alien, though, on some cheesy B-movie forum.
Quote from: SM on Oct 09, 2009, 07:04:43 AM
Are we talking about Levithan and Deep Star 6?
The original Predator would've been in the same class and as such we wouldn't be talking about it.
I've heard this opinion before, and I emphatically disagree with it, but I was talking about the "original" Predator creature that the crew received while filming in the jungle. It's on the special features, and if you haven't seen it, I highly recommend it. The thing is hilarious, they only did a few shots with it... It looks like a big giraffe/ant thing and wiggles around when it runs. Then they sent it back with "WTF" written on the side of the crate.
No, they didn't, but it would have been funny if they did. They did send it back, though.
So was he.
That design was also (sort of) used in the novelization.
Quote from: RagingDragon on Oct 09, 2009, 06:43:40 AM
Imagine if they had gone with the first Predator costume for the movie of the same name. We'd all be on here talking about a giant styrofoam B-Movie ant monster that hunted humans for sport.
Going by that,we talk about a pussyfaced alien with armor on here.
Quote from: War Wager on Jun 06, 2007, 08:34:01 PM
I'd like it to be set in the future, on a space-ship or something and based after the events of Alien Resurrection. There would only be one Alien and one Predator.
This - I've always wanted to see one Alien and one Predator stalking and killing off the humans one by one throughout the entire movie. Then at the end they face off. The Predator takes off his weapons, and of course, due to being better in hand-to-hand combat, the Alien kicks his ass, and as the Predator lay dying, he detonates his warhead, killing all the humans.
THAT is what I wanted to see.
What's the point in wanting to see that when you already have a clear idea how it ends? Predator blows up the space ship, all the humans die in the explosion, and the alien is still subjected to being a lethal insect. -barf!-
Quote from: Necronomicon IV on Dec 11, 2009, 04:02:54 PM
Quote from: War Wager on Jun 06, 2007, 08:34:01 PM
I'd like it to be set in the future, on a space-ship or something and based after the events of Alien Resurrection. There would only be one Alien and one Predator.
This - I've always wanted to see one Alien and one Predator stalking and killing off the humans one by one throughout the entire movie. Then at the end they face off. The Predator takes off his weapons, and of course, due to being better in hand-to-hand combat, the Alien kicks his ass, and as the Predator lay dying, he detonates his warhead, killing all the humans.
THAT is what I wanted to see.
One Predator and one Alien? Coulda sworn that was what we got with AvP, with Grid and Scar.
But they never fought.
It was a bad joke :P my point is, we got more or less one Alien and Predator and it made for an extremely boring film.
Then we got one Predator and plenty of Aliens and it was even less interesting.
It kept me awake, which is more than I can say for AvP.
Indeed. I enjoyed AvPR far more than AvP. I think most of the hate for AvPR comes from the Alien fans who disliked Wolf.
AvPR at least satisfied my wanting to see gory, bloody, mincemeat kills.
What about the Predator fans who disliked Wolf? He was an idiot.
Quote from: MadassAlex on Dec 12, 2009, 02:22:58 PM
What about the Predator fans who disliked Wolf? He was an idiot.
Like I said, it satisfied my wanting to see gory, bloody mincemeat kills. Whatever Wolf and the Aliens did in between, that's a whole 'nother story.
But why turn to AvP for that when it's capable of so much more? Plenty of other franchises and one-off movies can provide that in spades, but AvP is unique in bringing together two very powerful and narratively flexible monsters.
Quote from: MadassAlex on Dec 12, 2009, 02:22:58 PM
What about the Predator fans who disliked Wolf? He was an idiot.
What makes him an idiot? Not that I'm opposed to your opinion but I find the AvP Predator's far more of idiots than the Wolf. He was ridiculously untouchable but I didn't see much of an idiot in him.
Quote from: Ijapa on Dec 12, 2009, 02:21:13 PM
Indeed. I enjoyed AvPR far more than AvP. I think most of the hate for AvPR comes from the Alien fans who disliked Wolf.
AvPR at least satisfied my wanting to see gory, bloody, mincemeat kills.
I agree - I enjoy AvPr for its action. And I admittingly enjoy it for the Predator domination and action.
Quote from: The Demon on Dec 12, 2009, 05:32:34 PM
Quote from: MadassAlex on Dec 12, 2009, 02:22:58 PM
What about the Predator fans who disliked Wolf? He was an idiot.
What makes him an idiot? Not that I'm opposed to your opinion but I find the AvP Predator's far more of idiots than the Wolf. He was ridiculously untouchable but I didn't see much of an idiot in him.
Closing yourself inside a tight space while surrounded by Aliens isn't the brightest thing in the world to do, which is exactly what he did in the sewers.
Quote from: The Demon on Dec 12, 2009, 05:32:34 PM
I agree - I enjoy AvPr for its action. And I admittingly enjoy it for the Predator domination and action.
As did I.
Quote from: The Demon on Dec 12, 2009, 05:32:34 PM
Quote from: MadassAlex on Dec 12, 2009, 02:22:58 PM
What about the Predator fans who disliked Wolf? He was an idiot.
What makes him an idiot? Not that I'm opposed to your opinion but I find the AvP Predator's far more of idiots than the Wolf. He was ridiculously untouchable but I didn't see much of an idiot in him.
Quote from: Ijapa on Dec 12, 2009, 02:21:13 PM
Indeed. I enjoyed AvPR far more than AvP. I think most of the hate for AvPR comes from the Alien fans who disliked Wolf.
AvPR at least satisfied my wanting to see gory, bloody, mincemeat kills.
I agree - I enjoy AvPr for its action. And I admittingly enjoy it for the Predator domination and action.
The action scenes were monotone and brief. I didn't feel any impact in any of them(i.e. National Guard scene), I might as well have been watching the movie's dialogue scenes.
Quote from: The Demon on Dec 12, 2009, 05:32:34 PM
What makes him an idiot? Not that I'm opposed to your opinion but I find the AvP Predator's far more of idiots than the Wolf. He was ridiculously untouchable but I didn't see much of an idiot in him.
He essentially always left his back open to attack, even while in the hive. He held up two Aliens by the neck for an extended period of time, which would've resulted in death if they weren't a particularly retarded spawning. He fired he plasma caster, long distance, against a few Aliens that had ample time to move out of the way
and ample cover, alerting them to his position.
AvPR had a very comic-book interpretation of the Aliens, it seems, and Wolf preempted that. If the creatures were comparable to the Aliens from Acheron, Spike, Ripley's spawning or Grid & Co., Wolf would've been severely screwed going in with his attitude and combat tactics. There's one part where he almost takes an Alien, and then
very slowly he fights another one while the other one stays still. You think it's dead because it ain't doin' shit, but no - Wolf returns once dispatching the other Alien and kills the first one.
What.And this was in the hive, too.
Wolf also did awfully inefficient things like putting that vial of cleaning fluid in an Alien's mouth to finish it off.
Also when he had the Aliens at arm's reach his plan was to shoot them in the face.
Let's break that down.
He was holding. In his hands. Two acid bleeding monsters.
His plan was to shoot them. In the head.
...While holding them.
What part of that scenario isn't f**king retarded?
Quote from: SiL on Dec 13, 2009, 12:05:21 AM
Also when he had the Aliens at arm's reach his plan was to shoot them in the face.
Let's break that down.
He was holding. In his hands. Two acid bleeding monsters.
His plan was to shoot them. In the head.
...While holding them.
What part of that scenario isn't f**king retarded?
DEH PREDATUR IS STRONG AND CAN DU THAT
Quote from: XenoVC on Dec 13, 2009, 01:33:31 AM
Quote from: SiL on Dec 13, 2009, 12:05:21 AM
Also when he had the Aliens at arm's reach his plan was to shoot them in the face.
Let's break that down.
He was holding. In his hands. Two acid bleeding monsters.
His plan was to shoot them. In the head.
...While holding them.
What part of that scenario isn't f**king retarded?
DEH PREDATUR IS STRONG AND CAN DU THAT
Yeah. More muscle for the acid to eat through.
Quote from: SiL on Dec 13, 2009, 12:05:21 AM
Also when he had the Aliens at arm's reach his plan was to shoot them in the face.
Let's break that down.
He was holding. In his hands. Two acid bleeding monsters.
His plan was to shoot them. In the head.
...While holding them.
What part of that scenario isn't f**king retarded?
Well, it would've kept us from having to be subjected to the rest of the film. You can't exactly have an AvP film without the P.
He knew that the acid was pissweak and proven right at the climax. Coz he teh baddassess!!
Remember when he crushed that aliens head with his foot?
Yeah
Shut up shut up shut up.
Remember when he ripped out Chet's tongue?
Shut up shut up shut up.
Thankfully, I've only seen this "film" once, so I actually don't remember any of those parts.
I remember when he chucked an Alien into a wall and blasted it right in the water ;D
Remeber when he held to aliens by the throat.
Quote from: SiL on Dec 13, 2009, 12:05:21 AM
Also when he had the Aliens at arm's reach his plan was to shoot them in the face.
Let's break that down.
He was holding. In his hands. Two acid bleeding monsters.
His plan was to shoot them. In the head.
...While holding them.
What part of that scenario isn't f**king retarded?
It wasn't. It was actually pretty cool because he didn't know what to do. He was panicing with two acid bleeding monsters in his hands. If his plan was to shoot them in the head he would of but he was too much of in a panic to know what to do.
What part of that scenario isn't cool?
A Predator picking up two Aliens, panicking, and not knowing what to do.
Besides, SiL's right - he was clearly going to shoot them because his plasma casters fired off after he was hit in the back.
Having two Aliens attacking him, he has them restrained for the most part - I think its cool. There's suspense to it.
Yeah it fired, because the thing was drawn. We'll never know he it went off because he was struck or if he was actually planning to shoot them that close.
I don't think that was the intention, given how Wolf handles Aliens later on in the film.
If I remember right, the casters went off after he was struck while still in the air.
Yup, you got it. Chet nailed him and off they went.
So I'm going to stick with the theory that they went off because he was struck by the Predalien.
Didn't he lock on before he was batted away?
Yeah he did. But how hard would it be to shoot them? I call it a struggle. That's why I say he wasn't sure what he was going to do.
But he locked on, and then the casters fired when he was struck.
I think the intention of the situation is exceedingly clear.
What else was he supposed to do, let them go?
Maybe he should have not been an idiot and just never picked them up in the first place. He's lucky they were retarded.
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Dec 14, 2009, 02:13:11 AM
Maybe he should have not been an idiot and just never picked them up in the first place. He's lucky they were retarded.
Ha Ha! Thats true.
Wolf seemed to be within splash radius of every alien kill in the movie. Certain writers and directors must have skipped class that day. Or the whole semester for that matter. So back to the original topic, we need Aliens, Predators, and Colonial Marines in space or something at least close to that. And for god's sake don't turn the Aliens into canon fodder. Bring back to strong, creepy, tail raping Alien we know and love.
If they get a Japanese director, then you know there will be some tail rape. :-X
Quote from: Tundro on Dec 14, 2009, 04:33:57 AM
Wolf seemed to be within splash radius of every alien kill in the movie. Certain writers and directors must have skipped class that day. Or the whole semester for that matter. So back to the original topic, we need Aliens, Predators, and Colonial Marines in space or something at least close to that. And for god's sake don't turn the Aliens into canon fodder. Bring back to strong, creepy, tail raping Alien we know and love.
I couldn't agree more.
Oh yeah, lets talk about the creatures themselves really quick. NO MORE ADI! Give the creatures back to Legacy Effects (formerly Stan Winston Studios). I'm sick of floppy Aliens and a Predator with a jacked up face. Is it really so hard to make his mandibles close properly? Come on people get it together. Research, RESEARCH!
They need to return to the very alien, and strangely beautiful, biomechanical look for the Alien. Having them fleshy just makes them more terrestrial and less menacing.
Well if KNB does a good job on Predators, then maybe FOX will be more open to hiring someone other than ADI for any other future projects.
Let's face it no one else will ever do as good a job as the team that created the Predator in the first place. Some might come close but I still say Stan Winston's team, many of whom are still at Legacy should be the only ones to touch either franchise.
Distant planet, massive human transport ship crashes on Predator hunting ground full of Aliens, Colonial Marines attempt a rescue.
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I'd like it to be set in the future, on a space-ship or something and based after the events of Alien Resurrection. There would only be one Alien and one Predator.
This - I've always wanted to see one Alien and one Predator stalking and killing off the humans one by one throughout the entire movie. Then at the end they face off. The Predator takes off his weapons, and of course, due to being better in hand-to-hand combat, the Alien kicks his ass, and as the Predator lay dying, he detonates his warhead, killing all the humans.
THAT is what I wanted to see.
One Predator and one Alien? Coulda sworn that was what we got with AvP, with Grid and Scar.
Wrong. But this is how it could've (and should've) been.
Meh, it was a bad joke. I was alluding to the severe lack of action and attention was given really only to those respective creatures.
I would like them to leave both the Alien and Predator franchises seperate!
AvP does not work beyond a computer game!
Quotewe need Aliens, Predators, and Colonial Marines in space
This.
QuoteAvP does not work beyond a computer game!
Why not? The only 2 AvP movies we've got so far were made by a B-game movie director and a duo of SFX fanboys. Give the film a decent script, actual actors and a good director..
..PROFIT!!!!!!!
Over the last few days I have been sad and bored enough to read every single post in this subject and I find it hilarious how the oponion of the Strause Bros went from "saviours" of the Predator franchise to hate figures!
Regardless, you guys gave a lot of trust and faith in two inexperienced filmakers just because they joined the forum and spouted a lot of crap about "going back to roots".
I just think its ironic since Predators (2010) is being made by one very experienced filmaker, RR, a critically acclaimed up and coming talented filmaker, Antal, and Oscar calibre actors and yet the majority of you have written off the film because there is a black super Predator that bleads black blood!!
Its ridiculous!
The fans didn't want anything new as far as the creature goes. That's where the faith came from with AvPr. Then we saw how awful the movie itself was even though creature wise, if gave us a great Predator.
As far as I am concerned, Predators, with all these Super Black Predators, Falcons, etc is all just an excuse to make a senseless, brainless CG film. The worst part about that is that we can basically kiss our beloved Predator good bye. Atleast AvPR had a real Predator. That is just how I'm seeing things. If the movie turns out good, then I'm wrong and I hope I am.
I doubt the intention for Predators is to make a brainless CG film.
Cash grab?
I think if someone was actually passionate about this movie or any modern project, they wouldn't fill a movie full of CG. Not saying that's what this movie is going to be but it sounds like its headed that way.
Quote from: The Demon on Jan 03, 2010, 07:15:24 PM
Cash grab?
No,I think Rodriguez is trying to
add to the mythology,whether or not that works in the fan's eyes is up to you.
Yes RR is adding to the mythology and is not shitting on the old Preds! If he was doing that then the old Preds would not make an appearance in the story. RR story hints at a clan war - am I the only one who can see this?
QuoteCash grab?
I think if someone was actually passionate about this movie or any modern project, they wouldn't fill a movie full of CG.
Because one automatically equates to the other, of course.
Quote from: The Demon on Jan 03, 2010, 07:15:24 PM
Cash grab?
I think if someone was actually passionate about this movie or any modern project, they wouldn't fill a movie full of CG. Not saying that's what this movie is going to be but it sounds like its headed that way.
Incorrect statement.
It's not the CGI, for f**k's sake. I'm tired of seeing "CGI sucks".
"Just gimme a guy in a suit - I don't care if it looks fake; I must try and project that I have cred by bashing CGI because it's fashionable to do so! By the way, did you see Avatar? ZOMG IT'S AWESOME!!!!"
Quote"Just gimme a guy in a suit - I don't care if it looks fake; I must try and project that I have cred by bashing CGI because it's fashionable to do so! By the way, did you see Avatar? ZOMG IT'S AWESOME!!!!"
Why? (I see what you're trying to do and its kinda funny because I never said I liked avatar. Nice try though.)
I'm tired of seeing Pvt. Hicks being such a dick to everyone every chance he gets.
I don't think I was actually referring to you - but since you brought it up, too many people are fixated on hating CGI that they fail to realise it's simply a tool a director can use for achiveiving the desired emotional response from the audience.
No different from a script, a performance, an angle, a light, a direction, a score, a practical or visual effect.
Quote from: The Demon on Jan 05, 2010, 01:55:41 AM
Quote"Just gimme a guy in a suit - I don't care if it looks fake; I must try and project that I have cred by bashing CGI because it's fashionable to do so! By the way, did you see Avatar? ZOMG IT'S AWESOME!!!!"
Why? (I see what you're trying to do and its kinda funny because I never said I liked avatar. Nice try though.)
I'm tired of seeing Pvt. Hicks being such a dick to everyone every chance he gets.
And I'm tired of seeing people blame CGI on f**k-all
everything that is wrong about movies. Did you ever think about that maybe it was the script that sucked? Or the acting, or the directing?
That is the automated response nowadays, the knee-jerk reaction. "CGI! It was the f**kin' CGI man!"
If a movie had the best special effects in the world but a terrible script, thus making the movie awful, people would
still blame the CGI.
I never said movies only problem is CG. I don't know where the hell you're getting that from but it never came from me. Yes I agree there are other problems other than CG.
Do you all still believe that the filmmakers are doing their best to please the fans? They're being methodical and trying to spark new interest in the franchise. Seriously, there's not much more you can do with the Predator figure. "It hunts people, skins them alive, and takes their skulls as trophies." Thats the basic plot premise of any predator movie you could create if you didn't stray from the canon. But you know what, these people are ADDING something because they realize the lack of potential for the series at this point, whereas the fans are willing to watch and re-watch the same thing over and over and over again. If you want to see what this franchise is capable of, go watch the original Predator as many times as you want a sequel. Call it a sequel, its the best you're gonna get.
I love predator, but its not very adaptable.
Here is my idea
I had watched AVP-R with the commentary and heard that they tried to get I am assuming Adam Baldwin to reprise his role of Garber. Not sure why he wouldn't do it, maybe it wasn't a big enough part for him. It would be great to get him back to reprise his role from Predator 2 and play Garber, he could be the husband of Ms. Yutani. Also keep Robert Joy as Col. Stevens from AVP-R. Have someone play the role of Charles Bishop Weyland's son, Robert Patrick maybe, so they can show them working together as a joint company.
It should start about a six months to a year after AVP-R, but it will have the company of now Weyland-Yutani Corp. back in Gunnison, Colorado examining the landing pod in the lake that the predator used in AVP-R then transporting it back to a research facility. Then you can show another team in Antarctica getting the frozen Alien Queen out of the water (She was still alive when she was sinking). Once they get her out, they transport her to the same Weyland-Yutani military research facility complete with military personnel, where they took the landing pod, on a remote tropical island somewhere. They thaw her out and chain her up, in order to produce more eggs. They then maybe have military prisoners and use them as hosts for the aliens. Have to have someone comment on the notes made by Lex(AVP) that the aliens appeared in about 10 minutes, now they are taking hrs (in alien it must of been maybe 2 or 3 hours?)and the other creatures (predators) must of been giving the queen some sort of drug to accelerate the process.
There would have to be the inevitable disaster in order to get the Aliens to start running a muck. Then we see a ship that looks like the ship that was found in the first Alien movie and seen in the extended edition of Aliens, this ship is used by the Space Jockies (the big creature in the chair in Alien) and the Predators to transport Alien eggs to other hunting grounds. While they are passing by Earth they do a scan for the heat and conflict they crave, the monitors could show some battles in Iraq and Afghanistan and then they discover that the Aliens are running a muck on the tropical Island with the Weyland-Yutani installation.
So they cloak the ship and land at a remote spot on the island. All 3 Predators leave the ship and the lone Space Jockey is left behind. Some scientists and military personnel at the facility noticed the atmospheric disturbance from the ship and see it land and with the thermal suits (like Predator 2) they do a recon mission to the ship (do not go inside). They place a sophisticated homing device on the outside of the ship and return to the base. While this is going the remaining military personnel, scientists, Aliens and Predators are fighting it out on the island.
The Queen and a drone can end up escaping and on the way to the ship she lays her egg that will house a super face hugger with a Queen and drone embryo(as in alien 3). She then instructs the drone and face hugger that is out of the egg to head to the ship (just as she instructed the drones in Aliens to back away from Ripley). She then turns back to fight the remaining 2 predators.
The Drone and face hugger make it to the ship where they go to the observatory with the big telescope, where the drone knocks out the Space Jockey and then it is impregnated by the face hugger. All the Aliens are killed on the island and 1 Predator remains and after he kills the queen he boards the ship to leave. (There will be NO explosion to kill everything on the island) The predator takes off in the ship and once the ship is on course he then proceeds to the observatory room where he sees the space jockey against the wall passed out. He scans the jockey and sees the queen embryo gestating inside. The same face hugger tries to impregnate the Predator, but the he kills the face hugger. Then the drone emerges and a fight happens between him and the Predator. In the final blows of the fight, the Alien is thrown to the floor and he stabs the Predator through the neck with his tail and with his last breath the predator decapitates the alien and collapses on top of the acid bleeding drone. The acid melts a hole in the deck (Like the hole in Alien.) and the now melting predator falls down the hole with the drone.
You could then go back to the Weyland-Yutani scientist tracking the ship, and then go back to the Space Jockey ship a few hours later when the Space Jockey comes to. He then hops into the big telescope chair and then you can show the Space Jockey convulsing with the Queen trying to get out, he uses the telescope chair to locate a planet to land / crash on, he then resets the computer to land / crash on a planet LV-426(from Alien and Aliens) He then sets the computer to issue the warning signal, after that the Queen bursts out of his chest killing him. The ship crashes and the hull breach occurs and the atmosphere gets in and makes the space jockey look as if it has been fossilized, And then the Queen chestburster goes down the hole made by the drone.
Once the ship comes to a stop the last thing you see is the Queen going through the ship and then the camera pulls back and you see of all the eggs that Kane saw in the first Alien movie complete with the mist and the blue barrier. This is how Weyland-Yutani Corp. knows about the ship and Alien in the first Alien movie, because it has the homing device on it. Plus it has the warning from the space jockey that mother and Ripley deciphered in Alien.
I think this would be a good way to meld the story lines together.
Perhaps Shane Black, who has written a few action films and even starred in the first Predator movie could write and direct it to bring a familiar element into the mix.
My idea for AvP3 is a two part, the first will be standalone Alien film (prequel or part 5) and a standalone Predator film. Both films will have no reference to AvP or AvPR, in fact they will block it out and pretend it never happened.
That actually doesn't sound that bad. I would like to see something with one alien and one predator.
Quote from: darthmaul1 on Jan 09, 2010, 09:37:09 PM
You could then go back to the Weyland-Yutani scientist tracking the ship, and then go back to the Space Jockey ship a few hours later when the Space Jockey comes to. He then hops into the big telescope chair and then you can show the Space Jockey convulsing with the Queen trying to get out, he uses the telescope chair to locate a planet to land / crash on, he then resets the computer to land / crash on a planet LV-426(from Alien and Aliens) He then sets the computer to issue the warning signal, after that the Queen bursts out of his chest killing him. The ship crashes and the hull breach occurs and the atmosphere gets in and makes the space jockey look as if it has been fossilized, And then the Queen chestburster goes down the hole made by the drone.
Once the ship comes to a stop the last thing you see is the Queen going through the ship and then the camera pulls back and you see of all the eggs that Kane saw in the first Alien movie complete with the mist and the blue barrier. This is how Weyland-Yutani Corp. knows about the ship and Alien in the first Alien movie, because it has the homing device on it. Plus it has the warning from the space jockey that mother and Ripley deciphered in Alien.
I think this would be a good way to meld the story lines together.
Perhaps Shane Black, who has written a few action films and even starred in the first Predator movie could write and direct it to bring a familiar element into the mix.
sound good only one problem the Space Jocky on Lv-426 died 10 million years ago.
Where'd you get that number?
The Chocolate Spider told him.
the space jockey in alien was fossilized and wiki give a appormate number of that happening the thing is it couldn't have fossilized unless it was there for at least millions of years.
I'm guessing that Wikipedia was talking about fossilisation of terrestrial carbon based lifeforms in a atmosphere made up of mostly nitrogen and oxygen?
Well there's your problem.
Quote from: SM on Jan 11, 2010, 11:15:57 PM
I'm guessing that Wikipedia was talking about fossilisation of terrestrial carbon based lifeforms in a atmosphere made up of mostly nitrogen and oxygen?
Well there's your problem.
well i've research and other sorces says its at least 7 million years old. just saying.
All of which are plucked out of either thin air or someone's bottom.
Possibly both.
ok i'm not going to argue on this pointless matter.
Quote from: The Dude5000 on Jan 11, 2010, 01:05:11 PM
Quote from: darthmaul1 on Jan 09, 2010, 09:37:09 PM
You could then go back to the Weyland-Yutani scientist tracking the ship, and then go back to the Space Jockey ship a few hours later when the Space Jockey comes to. He then hops into the big telescope chair and then you can show the Space Jockey convulsing with the Queen trying to get out, he uses the telescope chair to locate a planet to land / crash on, he then resets the computer to land / crash on a planet LV-426(from Alien and Aliens) He then sets the computer to issue the warning signal, after that the Queen bursts out of his chest killing him. The ship crashes and the hull breach occurs and the atmosphere gets in and makes the space jockey look as if it has been fossilized, And then the Queen chestburster goes down the hole made by the drone.
Once the ship comes to a stop the last thing you see is the Queen going through the ship and then the camera pulls back and you see of all the eggs that Kane saw in the first Alien movie complete with the mist and the blue barrier. This is how Weyland-Yutani Corp. knows about the ship and Alien in the first Alien movie, because it has the homing device on it. Plus it has the warning from the space jockey that mother and Ripley deciphered in Alien.
I think this would be a good way to meld the story lines together.
Perhaps Shane Black, who has written a few action films and even starred in the first Predator movie could write and direct it to bring a familiar element into the mix.
sound good only one problem the Space Jocky on Lv-426 died 10 million years ago.
Isn't wikepedia changed daily? and that is why i said the atmosphere made it look as if the jocky had been fossilized. also don't you need great pressure for fossilization to occur the usual way?
Quote from: SM on Jan 11, 2010, 11:15:57 PM
I'm guessing that Wikipedia was talking about fossilisation of terrestrial carbon based lifeforms in a atmosphere made up of mostly nitrogen and oxygen?
Well there's your problem.
Total ownage. :D
I thought it was somewhere in between several thousand and several tens of thousands, not millions..
anyways it turns out it was suppose to be scripted in the movie but wasn't but anyways i tip my hat to you sir. Anyways i still like the idea for your avp.
Quote from: SM on Jan 11, 2010, 11:15:57 PM
I'm guessing that Wikipedia was talking about fossilisation of terrestrial carbon based lifeforms in a atmosphere made up of mostly nitrogen and oxygen?
Well there's your problem.
and fossilsastion is the replacement of bone to minerals has nothing to due with the type of gas the atmosphere is made of.
Well, ya, it kind of does. Fossilisation cannot occur if there's no sediment covering the actual bones. That's why it's called a fossil: it's been preserved naturally.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jan 13, 2010, 05:05:07 PM
Well, ya, it kind of does. Fossilisation cannot occur if there's no sediment covering the actual bones. That's why it's called a fossil: it's been preserved naturally.
it depend what the atmosphere is blowing and its surprising that it fossilized anyways due it to being inside a ship and above ground.
and on top of that isn't lv-426 a lava rock based planet? so how would it have sediment?
It may not be a fossil sensu stricto at all, perhaps a subfossil. Just a very old corpse which was preserved thanks to conditions aboard the ship. Or maybe jockey "bones" (talking about bones in a fictional alien organism is kinda weird) just have extreme resilience and stay intact thousands or even millions of years despite not being fossilized.
Quoteand fossilsastion is the replacement of bone to minerals has nothing to due with the type of gas the atmosphere is made of.
Yeah and what about Jockey biology of which we know precisely zip.
Taking transmission times into account - ie. when the Company would've picked up the transmission, and when they issued SO937 and travel times from Thedus - the Derelict could conceivably have been only only a few years; nevermind centuries or millenia.
Only only a few years what?
Quote from: Puks on Jan 13, 2010, 06:14:25 PM
It may not be a fossil sensu stricto at all, perhaps a subfossil. Just a very old corpse which was preserved thanks to conditions aboard the ship. Or maybe jockey "bones" (talking about bones in a fictional alien organism is kinda weird) just have extreme resilience and stay intact thousands or even millions of years despite not being fossilized.
That makes more sense. Like I said, it can't fossilize if there's nothing to preserve it.
QuoteOnly only a few years what?
Depends on where the transmission was picked up. The frontier, some network relay between the outer rim and Thedus, a probe, another passing ship.
SM, re-read your post:
Quotethe Derelict could conceivably have been only only a few years; nevermind centuries or millenia.
That sentence is missing bits.
Only a few years old?
Feck... >:(
I meant the Derelict may only have been on LV-426 for a few years.
Quote from: SM on Jan 13, 2010, 11:28:52 PM
Feck... >:(
I meant the Derelict may only have been on LV-426 for a few years.
so you think the derelict was floating through space for a years until it just crash on lv-426?
that's a plausible i guess.
The captian said it "looks Fossilized" so i guess you guys are right. It might not be a fossil but it looks like one.
we due agree it fused its self to the chair right? lol
Quoteso you think the derelict was floating through space for a years until it just crash on lv-426?
No, I think he was on his way somewhere. The Derelict doesn't look like it crashed.
QuoteThe captian said it "looks Fossilized" so i guess you guys are right. It might not be a fossil but it looks like one.
The key word is LOOKS. It looks fossilised to a guy "who just runs the ship". It may very well be fossilised - but it's hardly a scientific study.
Quotewe due agree it fused its self to the chair right? lol
It LOOKS like it's part of the chair.
I'd call it more mummified than fossilized, my fellow gentlemen.
Quote from: Puks on Jan 13, 2010, 11:46:50 PM
I'd call it more mummified than fossilized, my fellow gentlemen.
it doesn't look like a husk to me, too much like a skeleton.
Doesn't really matter anyway. We may find out more when alien 0 hits the theaters.
Quote from: Puks on Jan 13, 2010, 11:58:20 PM
Doesn't really matter anyway. We may find out more when alien 0 hits the theaters.
I hope they add some info about the space jockey, just enough to keep it in mystery still but i mean a little more couldn't hurt.
I just thought of something that deepens the Alien mythos even more: perhaps it really is fossilized, as in it was buried under sediment and all that. Then something else came along and excavated it. This probably has holes an elephant could pass through, but still.
Well to me the Perfect AVP Film would be that after 50 years after the second Alien movie The Marines have built a Facality around the Crashed Space jockey spaceship and are studying the eggs etc. The building is operated by 100 or so people 25 marinesi in total and 75 Civys. But the films plot only follows a band of 6 Marines. However one face hugger breaks loose and start causing chaos. So then the Station sends out a destress becon to any nearby Marine Ships to help aid against the outbreak.
Meanwhile a Scouting Predator Ship(with about 5 or so predators in it) pick up the Human transmission about the Alien outbreak. And dispite heading to earth for a hunt they get permission from the Elder predator to change course and head to the Marine base for a hunt against both Humans and Aliens and to kill the alien queen.
But i doubt Fox would ever make a movie like that.
Especially since Alien3 hints and Resurrection confirms the Derelict was destroyed at the end of Aliens.
Quote from: SM on Jan 14, 2010, 05:49:39 AM
Especially since Alien3 hints and Resurrection confirms the Derelict was destroyed at the end of Aliens.
When does resurrection confirm the derelict was destroyed at the end of aliens? I think it would of been too far away, cause i think it took newts family a couple of days to get out there from hadleys hope.
Me personally would like to see a reboot of the series starting right after aliens. just forget 3 and 4 ever happened. You could have ripley wake up from cryosleep and say what a terrible dream. LOL
And even if it was within range im pretty sure it would of been able to withstand the damage. Because Aliens are ment to be really strong aginst the envioment and if the Alien in Alien 3 could withstand Malton Metel beinng pored onto it then im sure the eggs could easly survive the radiation from a fallout.
After all if the Derelict has no doors and the three holes that they entered in do lead to the cockpit then when it flys around in space all the r Radiation rays, Sub freezing temps & all other kinds of space hazards would be blasting all over and inside of the ship. And that hasn't killed any of the eggs nether has it killed the Space jockey. Plus on top of that Millions of years of being on the Planet and facing the harsh envioment hasnt even put a dent on the Spaceship.
So my Conclusion is that the Spaceship may be still there. The Aliens are supposed to be able to addapt to any envioment.
The fact they bothered to piss around resurrecting Ripley shows the derelict was made no longer viable by the explosion. Perez' line of "Ellen Ripley died trying to wipe this species out. For all intents and purposes, she succeeded", as well as the comment earlier in the film about the Aliens never being found elsewhere, add to this.
Quote from: darthmaul1 on Jan 14, 2010, 06:46:11 AM
Quote from: SM on Jan 14, 2010, 05:49:39 AM
Especially since Alien3 hints and Resurrection confirms the Derelict was destroyed at the end of Aliens.
When does resurrection confirm the derelict was destroyed at the end of aliens? I think it would of been too far away, cause i think it took newts family a couple of days to get out there from hadleys hope.
Me personally would like to see a reboot of the series starting right after aliens. just forget 3 and 4 ever happened. You could have ripley wake up from cryosleep and say what a terrible dream. LOL
That would be hilarious lol
Quote from: SiL on Jan 14, 2010, 08:43:56 AM
The fact they bothered to piss around resurrecting Ripley shows the derelict was made no longer viable by the explosion. Perez' line of "Ellen Ripley died trying to wipe this species out. For all intents and purposes, she succeeded", as well as the comment earlier in the film about the Aliens never being found elsewhere, add to this.
Na i blame the screenwriters for not comming up with the idea i did. Anyway Wasnt the Derelict pretty far out from Hadley's hope? Im pretty sure it would of Suvived the blast.
Quote from: QueenofDeath on Jan 14, 2010, 09:21:59 AM
Quote from: SiL on Jan 14, 2010, 08:43:56 AM
The fact they bothered to piss around resurrecting Ripley shows the derelict was made no longer viable by the explosion. Perez' line of "Ellen Ripley died trying to wipe this species out. For all intents and purposes, she succeeded", as well as the comment earlier in the film about the Aliens never being found elsewhere, add to this.
Na i blame the screenwriters for not comming up with the idea i did. Anyway Wasnt the Derelict pretty far out from Hadley's hope? Im pretty sure it would of Suvived the blast.
Hey i agree with you, and i do agree its been there for millions of years too. although i was burned none stop about that lol. Anyways i think its going to get destoried in A:cm when it comes out i bet. I heard you raise hell in the space jockey ship.
They spent a lot of time and effort on cloning someone, not to mention money. A lot of time and money on what was clearly an illegal operation.
They would not have done that if the Derelict was available.
It doesn't matter if they didn't come up with the same story as you. No mention of the ship is made, they clone Ripley, two plus two equals Derelict being destroyed.
They just couldnt find it. And you're forgetting one important thing. Alien Resurrection is set 200 years after the event of Alien 3. So anything could of happened between Aliens, Alien 3 and Alien Resurrection to the planet. So thankfully because of Alien Resurrections Place in the timeline(At the very end) Theres still that big 200 year gap from Alien 3 that can still be explored in the AVP universe or the Alien Universe.
So take my idea that is set 10-30 years after the Events of aliens.(Ripely is long gone) They could easly have it so The predators Bombard the Crash site from above or another planet crashes into it or a Astroid or even better yet! one of the predators gets sourrounded by Aliens within Jockey area within the marine base And Takes himself out in true Predator fashion.
Just because the Crashsite is out of the way from Hadleys hope and makes it so it could of suvived the blast doesnt mean it cant withstand getting caught within a predator Nuke.
All you gotta do is be creative and you can easly come up with a possible solution to why they HAD to clone Ripley in the first place. And im pretty sure he would of Sied in that one scene that it was destroyed via the nuke that went off there anyway. So again i blame crappy screenwriting for not comming up with a solution beyond the stupid cloning excuse.
Quote from: QueenofDeath on Jan 14, 2010, 09:59:39 AM
They just couldnt find it.
They knew where it was the same way Burke did: Ripley told them.
QuoteAnd you're forgetting one important thing. Alien Resurrection is set 200 years after the event of Alien 3. Anything could of happened between Aliens Alien 3 and Alien Resurrection to the planet.
You're forgetting that they pretty explicitly state that there's no record of people encountering Aliens since A3, that the Company knew where the derelict was, and that if they really, really wanted one, they would have looked.
You're also not taking into account that Alien 3 literally takes place within at most a week of
Aliens. If the Company had a crew out there ready to get an Alien, why would they not stop by LV-426 while they were in the area?
anyone know why Johner calls earth a shit hole?
and when the ship crash into earth and caused that massive explosion that took up a half contenant wouldn't millions of people have died?
The amount of Radiation was too much. Plus maby they thought because of the blast, the ship would no longer be there.
But even better maby you just didnt read what i sied? The Company have Gone back to the Crash site because it suvived the blast because of the reasons i sied above in my other post. And have built a Complex around it. So the company can study the Eggs and do whatever they want. But as the Ship who was going to collect the aliens from the base and return it to earth gets blasted by a predator ship, Crashes near the base which forces or allows for the aliens to get loose.
Alien 3 takes how long after Aliens? a week yeah? so while the company is building a new Complex around the ship ready to study and bring back the eggs on site. And because hugh ass buildings like that take a good few years to make. The company knowing of Ripley thought it could get the alien faster by going to her.
And OFC when has the AVP Movies ever tied itself to the movies perfectly? It's a Seperate universe which hardy classes as Canon. Even the games are not cannon if you follow the movies plot. Apart from a few details at times the movies hint at. Look how awesome the games are. If AVP3(The movie) follows its own plot with Spaces Marines, Aliens, Predators within the universe but stays true to the franchise like both games have done. Then it would be a good movie.
Anyway if what you say is true then by theory they shouldnt be any AVP Games or comic books, since the crash site was destroyed if they followed the movies plot as cannon. Which the games doesnt
Your're gonna have to cut corners if you want a Movie about Space marines, predators and Aliens like we all do. Or do you want another AVP Movie set on earth with a bunch of townsfolk getting killed? And a setting no one cares about or wants?
I personal like the idea and i would love to see they make the AVP movie fighting the USCMC.
Quote from: QueenofDeath on Jan 14, 2010, 10:16:24 AM
Plus maby they thought because of the blast, the ship would no longer be there.
They still would have checked.
QuoteBut even better maby you just didnt read what i sied? The Company have Gone back to the Crash site because it suvived the blast because of the reasons i sied. And have built a Complex around it. So it can study the Eggs and do whatever they want. But as the Ship who is going to collect the aliens from the base gets blasted by a predator ship Crashes near the base which forces or allows for the aliens to get loose.
I read what you said, and it still makes no sense.
Alien Resurrection makes it clear that what we see is what there is. If the Company had built a giant complex around the ship and gone about studying Aliens, we would have heard about it.
Quote from: SiL on Jan 14, 2010, 10:27:22 AM
Quote from: QueenofDeath on Jan 14, 2010, 10:16:24 AM
Plus maby they thought because of the blast, the ship would no longer be there.
They still would have checked.
QuoteBut even better maby you just didnt read what i sied? The Company have Gone back to the Crash site because it suvived the blast because of the reasons i sied. And have built a Complex around it. So it can study the Eggs and do whatever they want. But as the Ship who is going to collect the aliens from the base gets blasted by a predator ship Crashes near the base which forces or allows for the aliens to get loose.
I read what you said, and it still makes no sense. Alien Resurrection makes it clear that what we see is what there is. If the Company had built a giant complex around the ship and gone about studying Aliens, we would have heard about it.
Then tell me how can we have AVP Games and comics? If the games and comics feature(Marines, The company, etc and all this kind of stuff then theres nothing stopping a Fresh reboot of the AVP Movie franchise having this kind of stuff. AVP1 (Not sure about AVP2) Had the Space jockey and the kind of setting i was talking about. But if the games followed that kind of stuff then by all means they shouldnt be any aliens and the games should of been called "Marines vs Predator"
So if the games have the Space jockey in then that means theres nothing stopping A new AVP Movie from having it. After all like you sied No Derelict no aliens..
Yeah i was just about to bring up the comic, games, and books but people follow the movies more i guess.
Quote from: QueenofDeath on Jan 14, 2010, 10:31:46 AM
Then tell me how can we have AVP Games and comics? If the games and comics feature(Marines, The company, etc and all this kind of stuff then theres nothing stopping a Fresh reboot of the AVP Movie franchise having this kind of stuff.
They're comics. And novels. And games. Not movies. They don't even follow continuity with each other, let alone the movies.
Movies follow their own continuity. Even the AvP movies kept themselves largely in-check, except for some nonsense in AvPR.
You can have Aliens, Predators and marines without screwing with continuity.
Yes so if the games have places like The Prison planet 161 and the Space jockey Ship as setpeaces and levels then theres nothing stopping the movie from doing so. And my idea is not scewing continuity. Its just taking a part of a story in the Alien universe and making its own AVP Version of it.
After all the AVP universe like you sied it its own continuity. So theres nothing wrong with having a predator fight a Queen within the space Jockey Cockpit area.
And im not Saying AVP Movie should add to what happened in the Alien story. But to keep things intresting theres nothing wrong with Changing what hapepend to suit the AVP Storyline.
Then you can have the Cannon Alien Story line where the Derelict is supposed to be destroyed.
And AVP's Own version of it of where it still remains. And the Company has several Marine bases around Predator Pyamids and Alien Hives etc.
Take the transformers Movie by Michal Bay and compaire it to AVPR. Transformers: Revenege of the fallen got crappy reviews, no one liked it. But it still made 800+ Million for a 150 Million budget film. People will play money if it has things they want from a big blockbuster movie(I know i did) And the movie universe is Considered to be its own cannon. But for a Movie stand-point it works because it takes characters, Setting and stuff and makes it into a film.
Does Devastator getting hit by a Rail gun while climbing the Pyamids ever happen in the original storyline? Not really. But it does in the movie. So Lets get a good action Director. Lets get a Nice budget of 100-150 Million, Get a good cast of actors to play as Space marines, Get Aliens, Get predators, Set it in space on eather a space craft or a Planet(or both)
And people will pay for that. Because it what people whana be seeing. With the three Races. Who wants to be watching a bunch of townfolk fight it out with aliens and predators on Earth using modern weapons. And watching actors who cant act.
Quote from: QueenofDeath on Jan 14, 2010, 10:44:35 AM
Yes so if the games have places like The Prison planet 161 and the Space jockey Ship as setpeaces and levels then theres nothing stopping the movie from doing so.
Yes there is.
Continuity.
Games, comics, novels, they can do whatever they want. If they want the Space Jockey to rise up out of the Derelict and shoot rainbows out its eyes, they can.
The movies, on the other hand, not so much. The games, comics and novels have absolutely zero baring on what goes on in the movies.
QuoteAfter all the AVP universe like you sied it its own continuity.
That's not what I said. At all.
I said the expanded universe - comics, novels, games - have their own thing, and
movies have theirs. AvP films included.
Whatever.. Your not reading what im saying.
What is stopping Fox from Just making a movie out of AVP2(The game) plot? it will work. Yeah you will have to shorten it down to a 2 and half hour film but you still have the basic setting.
Ignored anyway. You're annoying me.
Quote from: QueenofDeath on Jan 14, 2010, 10:57:21 AM
Whatever.. Your not reading what im saying.
Yes I am.
And I'm saying you're wrong.
QuoteWhat is stopping Fox from Just making a movie out of AVP2(The game) plot?
Money. And even filmmakers like Anderson and the Brothers Strause had some respect for continuity; anyone else they could get would, too.
Set the movie after Alien Resurrection,
bam. Problem solved. You have your AvP 2 plot
and you don't screw with continuity. It is literally
that easy.
Not directly based on AvP2 - but a similar setting with a different story.
That could work and I'm sure this is the opinion of a large majority of fans.
Although I may be wrong and most A/P/AvP fans don't want a third AvP at all.
A higher budget reboot in space, I say. Should have been done right from the start in 2004, but what can we do..
And SiL,why not consider A/P/AvP as different franchises with their own continuities?
Quote from: Puks on Jan 14, 2010, 11:03:21 AM
Not directly based on AvP2 - but a similar setting with a different story.
That could work and I'm sure this is the opinion of a large majority of fans.
Although I may be wrong and most A/P/AvP fans don't want a third AvP at all.
A higher budget reboot in space, I say. Should have been done right from the start in 2004, but what can we do..
Yes. ;D But i think most AVP fans just want it to be done right. 8)
I thought AVP, A , and P were all different francises that have nothing to due with eachother what so ever.
Quote from: Puks on Jan 14, 2010, 11:03:21 AM
And SiL,why not consider A/P/AvP as different franchises with their own continuities?
Because they've tried their damnedest to do the opposite so far.
Why not consider them one, see the enormous room for movement, and exploit it?
You can literally do anything you want if you set it after AR. You can have space jockeys and derelicts and space marines all you please. It's that simple. Want
Aliens-era tech? Use it! No-one will mind.
I don't like the post-resurrection setting for AvP (too advanced technology + no WY company) nor the idea of predators f**king with space jockeys in something that is considered part of Alien canon.
I heard the aliens and space jockeys have a viloent history together but i think that's non-canon or somthing.
Quote from: Puks on Jan 14, 2010, 11:15:26 AM
I don't like the post-resurrection setting for AvP (too advanced technology
Then set it in a place with older tech.
Quote+ no WY company)
Bam, Alien continuity.
Quotenor the idea of predators f**king with space jockeys in something that is considered part of Alien canon.
Whatever happened to them being separate continuities? Surely it wouldn't matter, then.
I just want a movie that is actually based on the games. Am I asking for that much? :D
Quote from: Puks on Jan 14, 2010, 11:29:50 AM
I just want a movie that is actually based on the games. Am I asking for that much? :D
not in my book :D
Quote from: Puks on Jan 14, 2010, 11:29:50 AM
I just want a movie that is actually based on the games. Am I asking for that much? :D
Pretty much.
Too big, too expensive, doesn't fit at all.
You could have
pretty much the same thing with a few modifications.
Well, one. Change the date, get rid of WY. Problems solved.
There still may be hope FOX heads will get their heads straight and make an AvP reboot directly based on the games with its own continuity - sending AvP and AvPR(ectum) into oblivion.
Why not? After all, we get an alien prequel with no preds around and a predator sequel with no aliens ever mentioned. And both are set after the species encountered each other in the AvP movies.
They can be treated like separate franchises - I just wish FOX would see this.
Heres my Own version of How the Movie Timeline works with the AVP Movie And game franchise(Only the three major AVP Games Along with the Predator and Alien movies. And for most part it works without screwing any of the existing story lines.
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The above timeline includes all movies and all three major avp games
Predator and Predator 2 are set in the late 80s to early 90s. So this marks it first in the Conntected timeline, Then Comes AVP Movie 1 and AVP Movie 2 which are set later in the timeline around the year 2000(Forgot the exact date) Because of the Plasma caster found in AVP2 the Wayland company pushes forward space travel. So now Alien begins where Ash having his orders by the company to protect the alien and to get it back(we all know that the company already knew about the aliens existance by now.
The next event happens 57 years later and the Aliens movie storyline begins. However at this point the theres two known timelines. The AVP comic and video game timeline where Aliens are still at large and the explosion didnt take out the crashsite(But it still took out the Hadley's hope). In the Official
Movie cannon where it did and the events with alien 3 proceed like normal we move onward 200 years to the end of the Known Alien story.
Meanwhile in the Game universe. The wayland company is still at large studying the aliens(Seen in Game1) After that happens AVP2 Game happens and then AVP3 Happens(Bishop is in AVP3 so the game happens slightly before or after the third alien movie.
Ok so my Second timeline is AVP only and works better if the Alien Movies and Predator movies never happened. So it starts in this order. AVP Movie 1 then AVP Movie 2 you Jump forward into the future and Game one starts and then after that game two followed by game three.
Then The Third movie begins around the time of Marines and Aliens and Predators. The third movie is a fresh reboot set in space. After that the New movie is followed by a sequel and then one more sequel to end it off. The Comics are happening around about after game 1 and continueing still after game 3
Can we not have a alien time line that has no predators and does not reference the games or comics? The same goes for Predators time line, one without Aliens ect
Quote from: Puks on Jan 14, 2010, 11:39:59 AM
There still may be hope FOX heads will get their heads straight and make an AvP reboot directly based on the games with its own continuity - sending AvP and AvPR(ectum) into oblivion.
Why not? After all, we get an alien prequel with no preds around and a predator sequel with no aliens ever mentioned. And both are set after the species encountered each other in the AvP movies.
They can be treated like separate franchises - I just wish FOX would see this.
I would like to believe that by backing the Alien Prequel and Predators Fox are starting with a clean slate and pretending that the AvP movies never happened. Therefore, the species have never met and AvP movies will be considered as non canon.
This is my dream.
Quote from: Mystic Ninja on Jan 14, 2010, 01:54:37 PM
Can we not have a alien time line that has no predators and does not reference the games or comics? The same goes for Predators time line, one without Aliens ect
Quote from: Puks on Jan 14, 2010, 11:39:59 AM
There still may be hope FOX heads will get their heads straight and make an AvP reboot directly based on the games with its own continuity - sending AvP and AvPR(ectum) into oblivion.
Why not? After all, we get an alien prequel with no preds around and a predator sequel with no aliens ever mentioned. And both are set after the species encountered each other in the AvP movies.
They can be treated like separate franchises - I just wish FOX would see this.
I would like to believe that by backing the Alien Prequel and Predators Fox are starting with a clean slate and pretending that the AvP movies never happened. Therefore, the species have never met and AvP movies will be considered as non canon.
This is my dream.
Yeah allowing them to be non-cannon allows them to do what they want :)
But if you want things like Weyland-Yutani and Aliens-style tech, not to mention Space Jockeys, you're taking from the Alien continuity, and people are going to see it as such.
QuoteWell, one. Change the date, get rid of WY. Problems solved.
Do people not get that USM serves the exact same purpose as WY? They're essentially a public sector version of the Company. You could even argue they're wose because they intend use the Aliens directly for things like urban pacification. The Company has some level of distance from something like that. They're like Lockheed Martin. They may not use the weapons themselves, but would happily sell them to anyone who would.
QuotePredator and Predator 2 are set in the late 80s to late 90s.
Fixed.
QuoteThen Comes AVP Movie 1 and AVP Movie 2 which are set later in the timeline around the year 2000(Forgot the exact date)
2004.
QuoteSo now Alien begins where Ash having his orders by the company to protect the alien and to get it back(we all know that the company already knew about the aliens existance by now.
And they entrusted something so vitally important to a bunch of ignorant tug jockies. Boy that Comapny sure is sharp!
"Shouldn't we send a team that knows what's going on?"
"Dean, seriously. This is why you don't get payrises."
Quote from: SM on Jan 14, 2010, 11:19:02 PM
QuoteWell, one. Change the date, get rid of WY. Problems solved.
Do people not get that USM serves the exact same purpose as WY? They're essentially a public sector version of the Company. You could even argue they're wose because they intend use the Aliens directly for things like urban pacification. The Company has some level of distance from something like that. They're like Lockheed Martin. They may not use the weapons themselves, but would happily sell them to anyone who would.
QuotePredator and Predator 2 are set in the late 80s to late 90s.
Fixed.
QuoteThen Comes AVP Movie 1 and AVP Movie 2 which are set later in the timeline around the year 2000(Forgot the exact date)
2004.
QuoteSo now Alien begins where Ash having his orders by the company to protect the alien and to get it back(we all know that the company already knew about the aliens existance by now.
And they entrusted something so vitally important to a bunch of ignorant tug jockies. Boy that Comapny sure is sharp!
On your last comment if you look at it that way, why didn't they send scientist and marines and just set up shop around the derelict. instead of the shake and bake colony. unless that was part of their plan to make the air breathable then go in?
They'd be better to go with my idea i posted a couple of pages back then once that is done they would be free to move the franchise into what ever direction they choose. and maybe follow the games stories etc.
[quote\On your last comment if you look at it that way, why didn't they send scientist and marines and just set up shop around the derelict.[/quote]
My last comment was sarcasm.
If they really did know all about the Alien and wanted one and knew there was one on LV-426 - they would've been more cautious about obtaining it. ie. Send a proper bio wepaons team. Since they sent tug jockies, it would follow they didn't know all about the Alien.
Quoteunless that was part of their plan to make the air breathable then go in?
Why wait 57 years to do this?
Quote from: SM on Jan 19, 2010, 02:10:12 AM
[quote\On your last comment if you look at it that way, why didn't they send scientist and marines and just set up shop around the derelict.
My last comment was sarcasm.
If they really did know all about the Alien and wanted one and knew there was one on LV-426 - they would've been more cautious about obtaining it. ie. Send a proper bio wepaons team. Since they sent tug jockies, it would follow they didn't know all about the Alien.
Quoteunless that was part of their plan to make the air breathable then go in?
Why wait 57 years to do this?
[/quote]
Yes it was 57 years after alien but the colonists must of been there for at least 20 years prior cause the shake and bake colony takes decades.
I still think the company new something about the alien as ash had orders to bring it back at all costs
by the way this is what James Cameron had to say about AVP
After viewing Alien vs. Predator, however, Cameron remarked that "it was actually pretty good. I think of the five Alien films, I'd rate it third. I actually liked it. I actually liked it a lot."[
Everyone has one shit film that they like.
A guilty pleasure
Mines AvPr. ;D
and if you consider the later Freddy movies shit, then those too. 4-6.
I want to see a GOOD AvP film. I think that it has a lot of potential it just needs the right people working on it. I feel that the first two were wasted opportunities, and we all have some ideas of what we want the 3rd one to be. Well here's my idea. P.S Its quite long but hopefully you'll think it's worth it and if you don't like it don't read on.
One Pandora like planet, Wayland Yutani has got it's eyes on it this planet because of the "natural resources". These resources are of course aliens. There is quite a hive on this planet and Weyland Industries want it. The mining colony there has protection from no other than colonial marines in all there pulse rifle toting, badass glory.Unbeknown to the marines is that there is a five man predator ship heading to the planet to catch a queen for the reasons seen in AvP. These Preds are the real deal, duel Plasma casters and wristblades, cool helmets, all acid proof, all heavily armoured motha fu**as. A small group of Aliens attack the mining colony and the colonial marines go out in force to kill them. A 12 man team is sent out to kill what is believed to be a small infestation. The aliens have dug in deep in this palnet and have turned the native populace into dribbling killers. The aliens range from looking like our standard guys with spikes on to looking like a praetorian, due to the eccentricity of the hosts (Our main alien character who is faster smarter and all together more deadly looks awesome). They also have different abilities such as spitting acid. The three species meet in a deadly battle at the mouth of the cave. The Predators lose 1 guy while the marines suffer a 4 man loss. The aliens whose initial guard count is 20 retreat after 8 go down. There are far more in the hive of course but they are not as packed together. The marines run into the cave from one entrance and are fitted with a bomb which they want to place in the egg chamber. The Predators take another entrance. After a few scary bits,the marines and predators splitting up because it is a horror film, story and character development the medic predator with embryo removing tech gets ironically dragged off, after a one on one with a deadly alien type, other predators die, from both the marines and aliens, until there is one left. He has been impregnated and has to go the the centre of the hive if he wants to survive and use the tech from his cocooned buddy to save himself. The remaining marines get there asses handed to them by strong alien numbers as they approach the centre of the hive. The remainders get cocooned but get out before impregnation, they see the predator with the tech also. The three marines left decide to plant the bomb here and get out. Our character alien knows that the only way to stop the bomb is to stop the detonator, which means killing the marines. The final Predator is cutting his way to survival by going deeper into the hive, The marines are trying to shoot there way out of the centre. And the aliens as usually want to capture or kill anything that moves. The predator gets cured and gets out, the last of the marines left, the other two dead, detonates the bomb but our character alien survives. The Predator now wants the marine dead also as he destroyed what the Predator sought. The three survivors fight one another, the marine on his last clip, the Pred badly wounded and with only his wristblades intact and the alien also wounded the fight begins. Eventually the victor is the human and he goes back to the colony to see that it has become infested by aliens, all the aliens charge at him he looks at his ammo counter, 13, he begins to fire. We get a face on zoomed out look at the lone marine and we see a lot of Predators de- cloak behind him... FIN.
Please tell me your thoughts, I know it is unoriginal and a bit cheesy and cliche but I'm only 14. If you read this far thanks!!!! ;D :D ;D
the first AVP was so bad the 2 preds died so fast , AVP 2 was alright
That was alright, but i don't think you can end it like that, and the idea of one smart alien kind of takes away from the species i think. (that would be more for the queen)
Here is my idea what do you think?
It should start about a six months to a year after AVP-R, but it will have the company of now Weyland-Yutani Corp. back in Gunnison, Colorado examining the landing pod in the lake that the predator used in AVP-R then transporting it back to a research facility. Then you can show another team in Antarctica getting the frozen Alien Queen out of the water (She was still alive when she was sinking). Once they get her out, they transport her to the same Weyland-Yutani military research facility complete with military personnel, where they took the landing pod, on a remote tropical island somewhere. They thaw her out and chain her up, in order to produce more eggs. They then maybe have military prisoners and use them as hosts for the aliens. Have to have someone comment on the notes made by Lex(AVP) that the aliens appeared in about 10 minutes, now they are taking hrs (in alien it must of been maybe 2 or 3 hours?)and the other creatures (predators) must of been giving the queen some sort of drug to accelerate the process.
There would have to be the inevitable disaster in order to get the Aliens to start running a muck. Then we see a ship that looks like the ship that was found in the first Alien movie and seen in the extended edition of Aliens, this ship is used by the Space Jockies (the big creature in the chair in Alien) and the Predators to transport Alien eggs to other hunting grounds. While they are passing by Earth they do a scan for the heat and conflict they crave, the monitors could show some battles in Iraq and Afghanistan and then they discover that the Aliens are running a muck on the tropical Island with the Weyland-Yutani installation.
So they cloak the ship and land at a remote spot on the island. All 3 Predators leave the ship and the lone Space Jockey is left behind. Some scientists and military personnel at the facility noticed the atmospheric disturbance from the ship and see it land and with the thermal suits (like Predator 2) they do a recon mission to the ship (do not go inside). They place a sophisticated homing device on the outside of the ship and return to the base. While this is going the remaining military personnel, scientists, Aliens and Predators are fighting it out on the island.
The Queen and a drone can end up escaping and on the way to the ship she lays her egg that will house a super face hugger with a Queen and drone embryo(as in alien 3). She then instructs the drone and face hugger that is out of the egg to head to the ship (just as she instructed the drones in Aliens to back away from Ripley). She then turns back to fight the remaining 2 predators.
The Drone and face hugger make it to the ship where they go to the observatory with the big telescope, where the drone knocks out the Space Jockey and then it is impregnated by the face hugger. All the Aliens are killed on the island and 1 Predator remains and after he kills the queen he boards the ship to leave. (There will be NO explosion to kill everything on the island) The predator takes off in the ship and once the ship is on course he then proceeds to the observatory room where he sees the space jockey against the wall passed out. He scans the jockey and sees the queen embryo gestating inside.
The same face hugger tries to impregnate the Predator, but the he kills the face hugger. Then the drone emerges and a fight happens between him and the Predator. In the final blows of the fight, the Alien is thrown to the floor and he stabs the Predator through the neck with his tail and with his last breath the predator decapitates the alien and collapses on top of the acid bleeding drone. The acid melts a hole in the deck (Like the hole in Alien.) and the now melting predator falls down the hole with the drone.
You could then go back to the Weyland-Yutani scientist tracking the ship, and then go back to the Space Jockey ship a few hours later when the Space Jockey comes to. He then hops into the big telescope chair and then you can show the Space Jockey convulsing with the Queen trying to get out, he uses the telescope chair to locate a planet to land / crash on, he then resets the computer to land / crash on a planet LV-426(from Alien and Aliens) He then sets the computer to issue the warning signal, after that the Queen bursts out of his chest killing him. The ship crashes and the hull breach occurs and the atmosphere gets in and makes the space jockey look as if it has been fossilized, And then the Queen chestburster goes down the hole made by the drone.
Once the ship comes to a stop the last thing you see is the Queen going through the ship and then the camera pulls back and you see of all the eggs that Kane saw in the first Alien movie complete with the mist and the blue barrier. This is how Weyland-Yutani Corp. knows about the ship and Alien in the first Alien movie, because it has the homing device on it. Plus it has the warning from the space jockey that mother and Ripley deciphered in Alien.
I think this would be a good way to meld the story lines together.
Perhaps Shane Black, who has written a few action films and even starred in the first Predator movie could write and direct it to bring a familiar element into the mix.
That was alright, but i don't think you can end it like that, and the idea of one smart alien kind of takes away from the species i think. (that would be more for the queen)
Here is my idea what do you think?
I liked your idea quite a bit actually, didn't think i would as it was set on earth though. I think it's a bit short though but I loved the way you branched the stories together, that was a fantastic idea well done! :) I think you should post this like I posted my idea, bulk the story up a bit and see what other people think.
P.S How would you end my story? and I wanted the character alien in my story to be independent like the alien from alien or like grid, but i didn't want the queen to be the focus point of it I wanted something unique, I mean the queen is awesome but she's 24 years old we need something fresh. But anyway thanks for reading and if you voted what did you vote and if you didn't please do. :)
Cool Idea
The End with the two armies look at each other is epic. :)
It's a really good idea, but we should know how the Aliens got here (or the explanation is here and I in fact didn't see it...) :)
Oh, and the director should be Emmerich, with all those "colossal" proportions. 8)
Quote from: Geraint95 on Jan 29, 2010, 07:07:23 PM
I liked your idea quite a bit actually, didn't think i would as it was set on earth though. I think it's a bit short though but I loved the way you branched the stories together, that was a fantastic idea well done! :) I think you should post this like I posted my idea, bulk the story up a bit and see what other people think.
P.S How would you end my story? and I wanted the character alien in my story to be independent like the alien from alien or like grid, but i didn't want the queen to be the focus point of it I wanted something unique, I mean the queen is awesome but she's 24 years old we need something fresh. But anyway thanks for reading and if you voted what did you vote and if you didn't please do. :)
Here is how i would of ended it. If the marine is the last one standing he could try to get back to his base and at the top of the hill a few miles away he can see his base, swarming with aliens, and there are a few preds making a last stand they set off the nuke and the marine is left and gets picked up by a drop ship.
Or in your ending actually show the aliens over run the marine, then pan into orbit and show a predator ship looking at the infestation and it then takes off into deep space? i don't know endings are hard.
My idea of avp 3..
scientists capture a bad ass predator!!, on another planet ...
enter: aliens ...
the predator has to be brought back to earth ....
the scientists call in the marines...
their mission bring back the pred to earth ..
But....the aliens start to get the better of them..
and the humans hav to release the pred to fight them off...kinda like ninja assassin when Rain's caught ...
may have huge plot holes...but after all its just an idea!
;)
Not gunna lie, I didn't read all the responses so I have no idea if anyone made this scenario.
I would certainly do it in the future, some time after Alien 3 and before Alien R. In fact, I wouldn't even care if it contrasted anything, whatsoever, with Alien R in even the slightest way.
That said, I would have the setting take place on a city-station. A large space station that served as a research facility, space hub for transit into deeper space (fuel, food, supplies in general) for colonist, shipping, military personal on patrol, explorers, etc.
With a hub as such, you could pick and choose the method of which an Alien infestation could get a foot-hold. It could be the research facilities fault, in the time honored fashion of studying Xeno's and it getting out of hand. Time test, slightly trite, it works well given the emphatic nature that the corperation wants to get their hands on them. As the infection spreads a distress call is sent out.
Explorers, in much the same fashion as what happened in Aliens get more than they bargained for. Perhaps several of them have facehuggers on as they seek medical attention. Perhaps they have several eggs in their holding area that are empty when they go to unload them - as they wonder what happened, they get hugged or the huggers scuttle off into the vent shaft and make their way into several personal quarters. No one would notice till it was too late.
As above, when the space feces hits the fan, the call is sent out for help. By the time the marines arrive the station is for the most part taken over and being turned into a hive. Perhaps their are pockets of humanity hidden away, leaving the door open for more characters to be introduced.
Which ever one, being the Evil Company, explorers, a infest ship coming in on auto pilot, I feel as though a station setting would be the best avenue for the three to be introduced instead of happening to wander onto another Predator training grounds. As for the Predators being introduced, they could have come across the infested station or intercepted the SOS. They themselves could be introduced after the Marines arrive or before, in a different part of the station. Either or, the Predators would view it as an incredible opportunity to hunt both species in incredibly difficult circumstances.
any new avp movie should be set in the future and must feature the colonial marines. Maybe the marines stumble upon a planet that is infested with aliens that the predators visit to hunt every so often
This new game essentially is the third AvP film.
Any of them could've been the new movie. But nnnnnooooooo :P
Yeah. But at least this game has some loosely connecting story threads with first AvP film.
yeah i liked how they made reference to the first avp movie and included the wolf character but also liked the fact that avp3 went in a different direction, maybe the 3rd movie could take note or maybe the movie producers should just hire us lot the life fans we could make a kick ass avp3.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jun 07, 2007, 09:15:16 AM
Space. Marines. Smart Aliens. All variants of Aliens. Jungle.
Would you mind defining smart aliens?
Quote from: #6.0 on Mar 08, 2010, 03:02:02 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jun 07, 2007, 09:15:16 AM
Space. Marines. Smart Aliens. All variants of Aliens. Jungle.
Would you mind defining smart aliens?
You know, smart as in how Giger's Space Rapist acted in Alien.
^^ lol, but honestly like Ripley: They cut the power. Hudson: What do you mean, "*They* cut the power"? How could they cut the power, man? They're animals! ...
Quote from: #6.0 on Mar 08, 2010, 03:05:24 AM
^^ lol, but honestly like Ripley: They cut the power. Hudson: What do you mean, "*They* cut the power"? How could they cut the power, man? They're animals! ...
James Cameron said in commentary that he was implying that they were smarter than Hudson gave them credit for.
Not to mention that the queen figured out how to operate a f**king elevator. :P
^^ Not at all to belittle the queen, may the lord bless her, ia ia chtulhu fhtagn!, but that was mimicry, which is a sign of intelligence, also, the scene in which the queen and ripley almost come to an agreement, until the queen back stabs the deal (like she should have), was a far better example of their intellect.
Quote from: #6.0 on Mar 08, 2010, 03:15:10 AM
also, the scene in which the queen and ripley almost come to an agreement, until the queen back stabs the deal (like she should have), was a far better example of their intellect.
...Did we watch the same movie? :-\
A Predator ship should crash land on a colony, and after bieeng investigated is filled with Aliens Eggs. Predators respond to distress signal. Figure the rest out.
Inspired by Alien: Resurrection, since the space pirates were such memorable characters:
Freelance 'merchants' get hired by Weyland-Yutani to smuggle a particular package to a corporate facility near our solar system. The package is a facehugger egg, acquired from another planet found using the Acheron Jockey's telemetry.
We get a few shots of a Predator ship, distorting the tapestry of deep space through its cloak. Every few exterior shots, it shows up just to assert its presence and go "PREDATORRRRR".
Everything goes pretty much according to plan, despite some tension generated by a crew member who appears to be overly curious. Halfway through the voyage, however? BAM. Rival space pirates attack.
Battle ensues. The aggressors look as if they're set to win, but an unseen force seems to turn the tide in favour of the defenders, with only two attackers surviving. Spooky. Turns out one is a Company man, trying to take the cargo and the credit for it. He fills us in on how the egg was discovered, as above. The other survivor didn't really take part in the battle - he made for the cargo hold. Uh oh. Our heroes count the corpses and test it against the information Company Dude gave them and basically shit themselves. When they get to the door, they find it physically crippled in such a way that the hold is sealed shut. There's absolutely no way in -- except the ventilation system. It takes some time to prepare - a lot of time, in fact.
OOOOOHHHH SHIIIIII--
Subverting everyone's expectations, the volunteer who goes to check it out doesn't actually die. Yet. He takes a torch and a small camera that feeds into some piece of viewing technology to update the other crew members on what he sees. Remember, he doesn't think anything is supernaturally amiss here -- they've just got a lost hostile who might've been in their cargo. So he's in. Then there's a moment where we get SHRIEKING VIOLINS and the hostile shows up, begging for help.
What we see is basically a jumbled account of the chestbursting through the camera, which is going everywhere because the crew member in there is losing his shit ten times over. We otherwise get to hear it from the other characters' perspective, through the mangled but obtrusive door. The sound dies down. Tense moments pass, the crew looking to each-other for leadership, until one -shakenly- calls the name of the crew member trapped in there. No response.
That's as far as this idea got. I'm still thinking of ways to maintain the tension, but the idea is that the Predator herds the human playthings into the Alien's path without presenting itself as a priority target, so it can have its amusement and then finish off the Alien. This Predator is experienced, but is "unblooded" in that he's never fought an Alien, just sorta heard of them on the vine. He's arrogant, too - he doesn't seem to think of the Alien as anything but a plaything itself. The first confrontation between the two shatters this pretty violently, as the Alien subverts his attempt to herd the humans by simply attacking him.
So the Predator has a reality check and vows to take the next fight more seriously. He does, and wounds the Alien - causing its acid blood to seep through the hull. Predator escapes just before the ship's protective measures seal the room off, and that vacuum area becomes the Alien's lair - a soundless abyss.
So now the Alien is taking the Predator more seriously after being wounded, and our unlucky galactic hunter becomes a priority target. The final battle is brutal and fast, seeing the Predator on the back foot as the Alien launches sneak attack after sneak attack from all angles - a particularly violent tussle interferes and damages the cockpit control systems, disengaging gravity control amongst other things. Wounded, and no longer able to keep a firm footing against a perfectly adaptive enemy, the Predator sees its demise and activates its wristbomb. There's a final clash with the Alien. He wounds it heavily, but ultimately gets killed.
So ... Well...
I like it. This movie I wish, I could see. And there are no Marines in it. An additional plus. ;)
Just - for me - too little of Predator. I'm talking not about numbers, only the length of the action.
And Unblooded should know what Xenos are, IMHO.
The end is good. The only one possible.
BTW New av, Alex... Spring-cleaning? I like it... ;D
Quote from: dragonthingy on Mar 08, 2010, 03:58:50 AM
A Predator ship should crash land on a colony, and after bieeng investigated is filled with Aliens Eggs. Predators respond to distress signal. Figure the rest out.
An army of PredAliens?
Quote from: keylight-di on Mar 08, 2010, 01:18:02 PM
Just - for me - too little of Predator. I'm talking not about numbers, only the length of the action.
I actually feel the same about the Predator screen-time in comparison to the Alien.
But I wanted the crew to get the feeling that the Predator is like a ghost. Instead of killing them directly, it watches, observes and changes the circumstances of the conflicts within the ship, like a malevolent angel. It's curious about the Alien, and wants to observe the way it fights - partially for its own amusement.
So the Predator is only truly revealed in full when it comes to fight against the Alien, because all his spiritual meddling and machinations break down when it comes time to fight an enemy just as daemonic as himself.
Quote from: keylight-di on Mar 08, 2010, 01:18:02 PM
And Unblooded should know what Xenos are, IMHO.
He knows of them, and knows that they're a highly-regarded adversary. But his knowledge on them isn't extensive. So a lot of his motivation comes from curiosity - he wants to learn more about the Alien and he uses the crew members as unfortunate victims to bait and observe it.
Quote from: keylight-di on Mar 08, 2010, 01:18:02 PMBTW New av, Alex... Spring-cleaning? I like it... ;D
Even Aliens love spring! ;D
Dug your AVP idea dude, you really found a way to make the 1vs1 AVP scenario work. Which is something I've always wanted.
However my few complaints are:
It's set on a space ship right? Why not set it on a planet? The Predator needs more reason to be there...they do travel across the galaxy to hunt the most dangerous game after all. Pirates don't really seem like they cut the mustard.
None of this young blood shit. Just make him like the Predator from P1; calculating and skilled, but at his core sadistic and arrogant.
Space pirates? Really? Possibly the gayest thing that the Alien franchise gave us. Also, don't you think the company wouldn't trust pirates with thier most valuable salvage.
Also, as cool as the zero G bits might sound, it wouldn't look cool. It would just make the creatures look like guys in suits (see A L I E N). Just have a really close fight, but then the Alien wins due sudddenly. Have it move in to bust a lambert as the timer goes down.
Quote from: Aeus on Mar 08, 2010, 01:55:11 PM
It's set on a space ship right? Why not set it on a planet? The Predator needs more reason to be there...they do travel across the galaxy to hunt the most dangerous game after all. Pirates don't really seem like they cut the mustard.
The idea is less about the pirates themselves. I should've explained this better, but the Predator observes the Alien egg being retrieved and handed to them, so its curiosity-slash-desire-to-prove-how-big-its-balls-are cause it to follow them.
Also, it happens in a space ship 'cause I like space ships. :P
But seriously, a planet gives you options. In a space vessel, you're stuck in a tin-can with no escape. In this case, you're stuck between what you think has to be a f**king
ghost that subverts your every plan and a necromorphic death machine. So setting it off-world is basically a ticket to free tension.
Quote from: Aeus on Mar 08, 2010, 01:55:11 PMNone of this young blood shit. Just make him like the Predator from P1; calculating and skilled, but at his core sadistic and arrogant.
Completely agreed. I used the term "unblooded" as a comparative term only. The idea is that he's just as experienced as Anytime or any other Predator. He's just never fought an Alien, 'cause in my head a part of the Predators holding Aliens in high esteem as adversaries isn't just based on their supreme fighting ability, but their rarity.
Quote from: Aeus on Mar 08, 2010, 01:55:11 PMSpace pirates? Really? Possibly the gayest thing that the Alien franchise gave us. Also, don't you think the company wouldn't trust pirates with thier most valuable salvage.
Well, "pirates" is one way to put it. Perhaps the term "rogue traders" would be better. The Company uses them because getting any alien organism anywhere near Earth without serious consequences is to take less legal paths. They need someone who knows how to be invisible to the authorities. They're not so much ragtag pirates as businessmen in organised crime. The more complete version of this story would imply (or outright state) that they have an under-the-table relationship with the Company. Trusted, unofficial employees. Everyone wins.
'Cept the people killed.
Quote from: Aeus on Mar 08, 2010, 01:55:11 PMAlso, as cool as the zero G bits might sound, it wouldn't look cool. It would just make the creatures look like guys in suits (see A L I E N). Just have a really close fight, but then the Alien wins due sudddenly. Have it move in to bust a lambert as the timer goes down.
I did think of that - zero G would always be difficult to accomplish well, but goofiness can be avoided. The thing is that nothing really changes for the Alien, since it can already stick to all surfaces and doesn't like to spend time still and suspended where it's an easy target. The whole zero G thing has a lot more to do with the Predator, and it dealing with an enemy that suddenly has even more of a footing advantage than it had previously.
Point admitted that it wouldn't be easy to pull off, though.
Fair enough, still not down with the space ship setting though, I just don't see a Predator having its hunt inside some spaceship.
Also, the fight at the end... Sure it sounds cool, Predator and an Alien fighting to the death. But why do I care? There's not enough threat to the main characters. Sure it'd make the fanboy side of me giddy, but it'd make fir a wasted climax. You gotta involve your main character in there somehow. With the Predator and the Alien both out to kill him/her.
In my mind's eye, the main character has decided to leg it at this point. S/he (probably a "he", I want to avoid Ripley clones) would have to cross paths with the final battle to actually do this, though. Plus, gravity is killed all over the ship, so zero G isn't just for the benefit of the fight scene, but it means our hero is just that much more f**ked.
And what if the vacuum room is an obstacle in getting to an escape ship or something similar? Zero G everywhere, then BAM, shit, I gotta go through a vacuum. You can mix up the order, too. Perhaps the location of the AvP fight isn't actually made clear? So while we get an idea of the effects they're indirectly having on the escape of the hero, we never know when they'll all cross paths.
As said in the post that outlined the idea, not everything is fully formed in concept and it's all up for revision. So while I have a clear idea of what I want from the first half of the movie and the actual AvP battles, I'm still working on the character interactions, the Alien-only parts and the Predator-only parts. Making the audience give a shit is a high priority, though, so I haven't forgotten about that.
Maybe have something like, I dunno, the initial main character gets killed and the focus switches to someone waking up and escaping the hive. Have it then revealed through the Predator that the person has a Queen inside then. The Predator starts dragging this person towards it's ship, seeking to leave a capture the Queen, but the Alien shows up and chaos ensues. That way both creatures have sinister intentions for the main character and thier fight has more weight to it.
Also a problem with the vacuum hive is that Aliens like warm places.
@Alex.
Space ship it's better idea, IMHO, than any planetary place. Especially Earth.
I understand you meaning of Unblood term. I agree, he can be calculating, arrogant, etc.. But not sadistic. As alien species you can't apply human ethics. Do you think Xenos are sadistically? In my opinion - no. They don't care. They don't care about feelings of the victim. And so it is with the Preds. In the eyes of human there is the fear, pain, horror, bloody slaughterhouse. For them it's a task that they need and want to do. Perhaps with pleasure. The same way as the human hunter feels the pleasure of shooting a deer. But it's not sadism. It does not enjoy the suffering and death. Anyway, what you expect from a species that doesn't care about it's own death? Which has deaths inscribed in them destiny? Why do they have to take care of life Preys, if they don't care about their own? At least by human standards.
Let's hide the human standard into deep drawer, when we talk about alien species, huh? ;)
The more you write about the Pred, the more I like him ... Like a ghost ... observing, studying, studying .. killing .. I doubt that he saw himself as the demonic person, but we have observers, thanks to which the action has another meaning.
The human protagonist should be only an observer. Weak and defenseless, would he / she be safe (at least in part). Not roused he / she interest from Pred. And he / she might become a relay for the spectators. His / her eyes viewer would watch action. But it can not be none super hero. Only the weak and defenseless.
Zero G idea is brilliant, I love it, I can see it in my imagination.... Perfect vision. :)
Are you going to write it as a higher form? Story, screenplay? I would like to read this very much...
Although the idea of it being set on a ship is gonna have people crying out its too similar to aliens id love to see it set on some sort of way-station. So not a ship but a massive hub with many people in it. Similar enough to a ship but we can have so many sets within it that we wouldnt get on a ship. Its still more open than a ship and theres more places to go, but youre still essentially secluded with no way of escape.
Keylight, a Predator is definitely sadistic. Laughing as the timer countsdown on the selfdestruct device because it knows Dutch is going to die, whispering 'anytime' to Dillon as he discovers Macs corpse.
You also say they don't care about thier life...why do they have a medikit then? Why do they avoid gunfire? Why do they run back to thier ship when theyre wounded and being relentless hounded by thier prey? You're idea of what a Predator is, isn't backed up by what we see on film.
@Keg.
If you think about film, whose action takes place on the ship, it's Alien rather, not Aliens... And Alien:Resurection. But similarity is very remote.
@Aeus.
Nope.
1# You wrong interpret his behavior. Even if it was really laugh, it's not sadistic. Perhaps satisfaction? (so you don't get me alive), or something completely different.
I repeat once again - don't interpret the behavior of an alien race by human criteria. It's a trap. If you interpret the conduct of the foreign tribe in Africa or Maori, do you always use the European standards? ;)
2 # The answer is simple: different priorities. The most important is the task at any cost. But it's not suicide. If they did not use medikit or if they don't avoid the shots, they would be fools who just want to die. Do you remember the behavior of the ancient samurai? They also don't care about life, but that doesn't make them notorious suiciders. ;)
Quote from: QueenofDeath on Jan 14, 2010, 10:16:24 AM
The amount of Radiation was too much. Plus maby they thought because of the blast, the ship would no longer be there.
But even better maby you just didnt read what i sied? The Company have Gone back to the Crash site because it suvived the blast because of the reasons i sied above in my other post. And have built a Complex around it. So the company can study the Eggs and do whatever they want. But as the Ship who was going to collect the aliens from the base and return it to earth gets blasted by a predator ship, Crashes near the base which forces or allows for the aliens to get loose.
Alien 3 takes how long after Aliens? a week yeah? so while the company is building a new Complex around the ship ready to study and bring back the eggs on site. And because hugh ass buildings like that take a good few years to make. The company knowing of Ripley thought it could get the alien faster by going to her.
And OFC when has the AVP Movies ever tied itself to the movies perfectly? It's a Seperate universe which hardy classes as Canon. Even the games are not cannon if you follow the movies plot. Apart from a few details at times the movies hint at. Look how awesome the games are. If AVP3(The movie) follows its own plot with Spaces Marines, Aliens, Predators within the universe but stays true to the franchise like both games have done. Then it would be a good movie.
Anyway if what you say is true then by theory they shouldnt be any AVP Games or comic books, since the crash site was destroyed if they followed the movies plot as cannon. Which the games doesnt
Your're gonna have to cut corners if you want a Movie about Space marines, predators and Aliens like we all do. Or do you want another AVP Movie set on earth with a bunch of townsfolk getting killed? And a setting no one cares about or wants?
you guys realise all this is what the 1st AvP game by Rebellion was all about?
Quote from: dragonthingy on Mar 08, 2010, 03:58:50 AM
A Predator ship should crash land on a colony, and after bieeng investigated is filled with Aliens Eggs. Predators respond to distress signal. Figure the rest out.
Replace colony with Gunnison County and I think we have a winner!!!
QuoteIt's a trap.
lulz :D
Seriously now, I really like the Zero G idea. Would also love to see it in a future AvP game. (Dead Space comes to mind..)
Quote from: keylight-di on Mar 08, 2010, 04:02:48 PM
1# You wrong interpret his behavior.
Says you.
I don't get it. You tell people their interpretation is wrong, then you go and lay yours down and act like it's objectively "right" :-\
If skinning, beheading, impaling, plasma-blasting, shredding, ripping, crippling and laughing while doing it is not sadistic, then.. I don't know what to say..
Sadism: the derivation of pleasure as a result of inflicting pain or watching pain inflicted on others.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sadism
Predators obviosly take pleasure by doing things mentioned above.
Quote from: SiL on Mar 08, 2010, 08:57:45 PM
Quote from: keylight-di on Mar 08, 2010, 04:02:48 PM
1# You wrong interpret his behavior.
Says you.
I don't get it. You tell people their interpretation is wrong, then you go and lay yours down and act like it's objectively "right" :-\
No, Sil. Whatever I say, you tell me it's a mistake. This is your game, and I begin to understand its source...
Did you notice this sentence also?
QuoteI repeat once again - do not interpret the behavior of an alien race by human criteria. It's a trap. If you interpret the conduct of the foreign tribe in Africa or Maori, do you always use the European standards?
Quote from: Puks on Mar 08, 2010, 09:00:38 PM
If skinning, beheading, impaling, plasma-blasting, shredding, ripping, crippling and laughing while doing it is not sadistic, then.. I don't know what to say..
Sadism: the derivation of pleasure as a result of inflicting pain or watching pain inflicted on others.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sadism
Predators obviosly take pleasure by doing things mentioned above.
If so, Xenos are sadistic too. Much more sadistic. Could you stop antropomorphization, talking about aliens? :-\
Quote from: Aeus on Mar 08, 2010, 02:45:00 PM
Maybe have something like, I dunno, the initial main character gets killed and the focus switches to someone waking up and escaping the hive. Have it then revealed through the Predator that the person has a Queen inside then. The Predator starts dragging this person towards it's ship, seeking to leave a capture the Queen, but the Alien shows up and chaos ensues. That way both creatures have sinister intentions for the main character and thier fight has more weight to it.
But until then? You totally think that character's dead. You assumed it. So when it cuts back to them, it all comes as a shock and you
know the final act has begun.
So yeah. That's a pretty solid idea.
Quote from: Aeus on Mar 08, 2010, 02:45:00 PMAlso a problem with the vacuum hive is that Aliens like warm places.
That's true but a vacuum hive is
badass.
Also, the Alien, perhaps understanding that both the humans and the Predator really,
really don't want to step into a vacuum, might not literally use it as a hive, but as stopper or intermediate hunting ground. So we got a shot of the character deliberating, looking at the cameras and they realise that it's "nesting" in a certain room:
"That's on the either side of the vacuum, isn't it?"
Like Resurrection where the only way to the docks was through the flooded kitchen?
QuoteIf so, Xenos are sadistic too.
They don't generally display pleasure when they kill.
Quote from: SM on Mar 09, 2010, 03:18:17 AM
Like Resurrection where the only way to the docks was through the flooded kitchen?
Ayup.
Quote from: SM on Mar 09, 2010, 03:18:17 AM
They don't generally display pleasure when they kill.
I always did like Kane's Son's (say that ten times very quickly) curiosity, though.
Curiosity...like when? It's been a while since I watched the film. I don't recall him killing his victims just because he wanted to know how many different ways he could do it.
Both Lambert and Parker. The Alien could've killed either of them very quickly, but chose instead to take its time, squeezing Parker's guts out and doing goodness-knows-what to Lambert. Not canon at all, but this was echoed really well in the Aliens comic Labyrinth, where the Aliens performed (apparently) primitive experiments on captured humans.
Doesn't make them sadists though. In all likelihood the Alien is probably completely unaware that its victims are shitting themselves (figuratively speaking of course).
Sadist is a strong word. But I would say it just makes the Alien more mysterious in that regard; curious is fair too, I suppose.
Yeah, Aliens definitely aren't sadistic. They just kill to survive. Predators? Well "It kills for pleasure. It hunts for sport." sort of spells it out doesn't it.
As for Kanes Son? Well he was just weird. Truely alien in every sense of the word.
Quote from: SM on Mar 09, 2010, 03:34:26 AM
Doesn't make them sadists though. In all likelihood the Alien is probably completely unaware that its victims are shitting themselves (figuratively speaking of course).
Yeah, completely agreed. I think the Alien knew it was causing them pain, actually, but it didn't care either way - the point is not that it went out of its way to cause them pain, but to create different conditions within its kills and observe the reactions. So it's not exactly sadism, more like a primitive form of science.
*sniff sniff* "Hmmm... the female really HAS shit herself. Fascinating."
Quote from: SM on Mar 09, 2010, 03:18:17 AM
Like Resurrection where the only way to the docks was through the flooded kitchen?
QuoteIf so, Xenos are sadistic too.
They don't generally display pleasure when they kill.
Quote from: Aeus on Mar 09, 2010, 03:43:52 AM
Yeah, Aliens definitely aren't sadistic. They just kill to survive. Predators? Well "It kills for pleasure. It hunts for sport." sort of spells it out doesn't it.
As for Kanes Son? Well he was just weird. Truely alien in every sense of the word.
To be clear.
I don't say, that they are sadistic.
One sentence out of context.
They
are not sadistic.
Just as Preds. But I just stupidly insist.
Do not use human standards to the alien species. Who cares.
Predators already display human like traits, like the laughing when he set his bomb off in the first one. So why not speculate on other human like traits?
But Keylight, the human standards in this case are perfectly applicable, given the nature of the Predators actions. They perfectly fit the definition of the word.
And since the whole thing is based on The Most Dangerous Game, with rich hunter replaced by crab faced Rastafarian hunter from outer space...
The key word is 'hunter'.
It might not be sadism by Predator standards, but by human standards - it's pretty close.
Quote from: keylight-di on Mar 08, 2010, 10:22:48 PM
If so, Xenos are sadistic too. Much more sadistic. Could you stop antropomorphization, talking about aliens? :-\
Except they don't fit into the definition in the least. Aliens don't show the
capacity for sadism; Predators do.
Predators were closely modeled after humans. Aliens weren't. It's entirely fair to interpret Predator actions through human means.
Aeus, SM, SiL...
Hopeless.
Calling some species sadistic, just because you don't like them.
This is racism. ;)
I expected more from you... :-\
EDIT: Aliens don't show the capacity for sadism? In human standards they play them prey, they smell their fear, looking for more... in human standards. ;)
I love Predators!
And wouldn't it be speciesism? Or did I just make that word up?
Quote from: keylight-di on Mar 09, 2010, 04:20:50 AM
Calling some species sadistic, just because you don't like them.
This is racism. ;)
No, no it isn't. :-\
QuoteI expected more from you...
Why?
I expected more than the usual blinkered litany of "Don't anthropomorphise Predators" but what are you gunna do?
Quote from: Aeus on Mar 09, 2010, 04:23:29 AM
And wouldn't it be speciesism? Or did I just make that word up?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciesism ;)
Quote from: DoomRulz on Mar 09, 2010, 04:39:57 AM
Quote from: Aeus on Mar 09, 2010, 04:23:29 AM
And wouldn't it be speciesism? Or did I just make that word up?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciesism ;)
WOW!
didn't know this
Quote from: SM on Mar 09, 2010, 04:25:39 AM
QuoteI expected more from you...
Why?
I expected more than the usual blinkered litany of "Don't anthropomorphise Predators" but what are you gunna do?
Because this is essential...
I tried to explain, but it's hopeless, when someone only repeats, that I tell people their interpretation is wrong, that I act like my interpretation objectively "right". I never claim, that I know better, but I try to understand.... If someone try to attack my arguments only because it's my arguments... No, not this way. I try to have open mind, I try to explain many things in many ways... If you (all of you) can't understand it, it's OK. But if someone don't try to understand, explanations are hopeless. :-\
We understand where you're coming from.
We just disagree, the same way you disagree with us.
You don't think we should apply human standards to Predators. We think we should.
So ner.
Quote from: SiL on Mar 09, 2010, 05:12:47 AM
We understand where you're coming from.
We just disagree, the same way you disagree with us.
You don't think we should apply human standards to Predators. We think we should.
Thinking in this way, you give one species a right to a fair assessment, but refuse the same to another species.
Even on Earth there is cultural diversity. You can't use the same, rigid standards to every community and every culture. This is what I call "a trap". Intellectual trap. This is an extreme anthropomorphism, self-centeredness. Thinking
"my standards are only appropriate". If so, the existence of anthropology, sociology and related disciplines doesn't make sense. Why we should study other cultures, if there are one, the only rigid standards? ;)
The Aztecs and the ancient Greeks were deviants, because they don't fit those standards?
But following this reasoning, we still can't call Preds sadistic. Because sadism it's deviation . If this behavior is dominant in them, this is not the deviation, but standard, huh?
And it's not true that the Xenos we could consider in humans category, and the Preds we can't. The whole idea of Xenos was a reflection of our, human fears and obsessions. Their existence, their behavior and their essence is more human than you think, Sil. Because they come from us. From the interior of human folly. And in this sense they are just human like you and me. ;)
Quote from: keylight-di on Mar 09, 2010, 07:32:17 AM
Thinking in this way, you give one species a right to a fair assessment, but refuse the same to another species.
Not at all. They're given the assessment they invite in the movies.
The Aliens don't invite a comparison to humans. Social insects, maybe, but there's more than enough material in the movie to show they clearly aren't bound by anything resembling
human thought processes.
Predators, on the other hand, do invite such a comparison.
QuoteYou can't use the same, rigid standards to every community and every culture.
Which is why we're not doing that to the Predators. We're looking at one species that clearly displays traits of various
human behaviours and compiling an image of them based off of that.
QuoteThis is an extreme anthropomorphism, self-centeredness.
Except totally not, because it's invited by the source material.
QuoteWhy we should study other cultures, if there are one, the only rigid standards? ;)
We shouldn't, were that the case.
But it clearly isn't.
We aren't keying Predators to one rigid human structure, we're creating a new structure for them out of various human elements - Elements that they were transparently based on in the first place.
QuoteBecause sadism it's deviation .
Not by definition, no - It's only a deviation if it isn't the norm. Sadism can be the norm, and still be sadism.
QuoteThe whole idea of Xenos was a reflection of our, human fears and obsessions.
But because of that they
aren't human by any means. They're a
perversion of people, maybe - Which means we could only seek to understand them by essentially going by the
opposite of us.
QuoteBecause they come from us.
And anything else large enough to fit a tube down.
QuoteAnd in this sense they are just human like you and me. ;)
Not really, no.
Quote from: SM on Mar 09, 2010, 04:11:49 AM
And since the whole thing is based on The Most Dangerous Game, with rich hunter replaced by crab faced Rastafarian hunter from outer space...
The key word is 'hunter'.
It might not be sadism by Predator standards, but by human standards - it's pretty close.
Is he from Rastafari or outer space?
He be both, Babylon.
to be set on an alien world that's full of different life then u can really have fun with different breeds of chestbursters. maybe this idea would be better suited to a avp animated series, that would be cool either in japanese anime or totally CG.
Quote from: SM on Mar 09, 2010, 03:45:48 AM
*sniff sniff* "Hmmm... the female really HAS shit herself. Fascinating."
This made my day! Thanks, SM! :D
I think predators are sadists. They also like chocolate. And hunt for honor.
Provocateur. ;D ;D ;D
They like chocolate, but only on hot, with chili and drunk through a straw. ;D
Sadistically... ;)
I'm a fan of the Predator movies but not a fan of the Predator. I always enjoy seeing the Predator die at the end! ;)
Anyway, if they make AvP3 I would like it to be set on the Predator home world. I want a scenario where loads of Alien eggs "mysteriously" end up on their planet and cause a rain of destruction on these decadent bloodthirsty hunters society. I want to see Predators screaming in pain, chests bursting, green blood spewing everywhere, Predator killing infected Predators, Predators engaged in a last stand against an army of Alien drones charging their stronghold, Pred-Alien ripping of the head of an Elder Pred, I want to see Armageddon!!!
Then at the end, when there are no Predators left only Pred Aliens and drones. I want to see a mysterious space ship hover over their planet and drop a nuclear bomb! As the bomb free falls onto the planet I want the camera zooms into the side of the bomb and we see the UNITED NATIONS FLAG followed by "f**k YOU!!"
That would be a cool short movie.
Contact Fox. I'm sure they would be interested.
Quote from: Dark Jester on Mar 22, 2010, 07:08:08 PM
I'm a fan of the Predator movies but not a fan of the Predator. I always enjoy seeing the Predator die at the end! ;)
Anyway, if they make AvP3 I would like it to be set on the Predator home world. I want a scenario where loads of Alien eggs "mysteriously" end up on their planet and cause a rain of destruction on these decadent bloodthirsty hunters society. I want to see Predators screaming in pain, chests bursting, green blood spewing everywhere, Predator killing infected Predators, Predators engaged in a last stand against an army of Alien drones charging their stronghold, Pred-Alien ripping of the head of an Elder Pred, I want to see Armageddon!!!
Then at the end, when there are no Predators left only Pred Aliens and drones. I want to see a mysterious space ship hover over their planet and drop a nuclear bomb! As the bomb free falls onto the planet I want the camera zooms into the side of the bomb and we see the UNITED NATIONS FLAG followed by "f**k YOU!!"
That would be a cool short movie.
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Genius. I would watch it infinity times.
Quote from: Aeus on Mar 23, 2010, 02:36:07 AM
Quote from: Dark Jester on Mar 22, 2010, 07:08:08 PM
I'm a fan of the Predator movies but not a fan of the Predator. I always enjoy seeing the Predator die at the end! ;)
Anyway, if they make AvP3 I would like it to be set on the Predator home world. I want a scenario where loads of Alien eggs "mysteriously" end up on their planet and cause a rain of destruction on these decadent bloodthirsty hunters society. I want to see Predators screaming in pain, chests bursting, green blood spewing everywhere, Predator killing infected Predators, Predators engaged in a last stand against an army of Alien drones charging their stronghold, Pred-Alien ripping of the head of an Elder Pred, I want to see Armageddon!!!
Then at the end, when there are no Predators left only Pred Aliens and drones. I want to see a mysterious space ship hover over their planet and drop a nuclear bomb! As the bomb free falls onto the planet I want the camera zooms into the side of the bomb and we see the UNITED NATIONS FLAG followed by "f**k YOU!!"
That would be a cool short movie.
http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-images/Film/Pix/pictures/2008/09/08/tommyleejones460.jpg
huh? :-\
It's called implied facepalm.
Quote from: Puks on Mar 23, 2010, 09:44:20 AM
It's called implied facepalm.
hahaha I get it hahahahah
They should really invent a fint for sarcasm then I would have used it in my original post.
See, this plot was my guess after I first saw the end of AvP. The Predalien egg-morphs one Predator and from the egg we get a Queen that lays eggs on the Predator Homeworld, causing caos.
Unless there was humans involved, I'll say 'No thanks'.
Make it coincident with Predators! ;D
I bet if I could write up a decent script on the plot...adding the humans....idk about all that?
IF this film is ever made, what do you want from it? I've been thinking about a few ideas for the general story:
#1 - The VERY first meeting between the two races. Obviously somewhere is space and maybe we could have a young AVP Elder inserted as one of the main Predators. Possibly even have him being the one that captures the queen whom is later imprisoned in the AVP Pyramid. Big drawback is how to insert humans in here.
#2 - Sometime in the future and in space say maybe on LV-426. Aliens have overrun the planet, humans try to re-claim it, while Predators come in for a big hunt. Maybe this film could be the one to have the merger of W-Y.
There is aleady a thread on a third AVP movie. But to answer your question ... there is so much out there. We have kick ass source material and I think we can put it to good use.
In space? Yes. But please not on a colony of Moisture farmers ...
I thought of this idea one math class last year-
Years in the future,just awhile before aliens,an odd creature (predator) is found and put into a testing facility designed just for the creature,heavily guarded by highly trained marines.the predator was stripped of his weapons and technology.The guards test on everything about the predator and its technology.Some of the methods the scientists used were painful,torturous even.This continued for over a year.Needless to say,the predator began forming a plan to escape.During one of the testings,he escaped and reclaimed his weaponry.In a hurry,the hundreds of scientists and small group of remaining marines fled to a marine transport(similar to the sulaco)taking every thing that was left of the test results and the predators tech found on the ship.Little do they know,one of the belongings was a queen alien that was ready to be used in the hunt.They bring it on to the ship and begin preparing for a week and a half long trip back to the nearest colonized planet.
During the placement of the tech,the queen alien was discovered.They did not realize they took it on board.They removed it from the container,and it immediatly came alive,implanting a scientist.The next day the bottom floor of the ship became an alien hive.All of the passengers had to seal themselves off in the upper floor,and immediatly went to war with the xenomorphs.
Meanwhile,the predator was driven by pure revenge to eliminate the ship and reclaim his technology from the humans hands.Him and a group of 4 other experienced predators ord the ship and an all out war breaks out.
This is just the rough outline of the plot.
I have written a script an AVP script that is based on how they met, what happened and how they became mortal enemies. There is an apocalyptic human element to the story also. I am currently trying to sell my script to fox - its an epic though - lord of the rings scale, doubt they'll ever make it even if by some fluke they did buy it
At first we have to answer very simple question: Do we want to make a sequel or a reboot?
If we want to make a sequel then we should start with something like interrogation of Lex by some Weyland corporation guys. Ewentually she gives them location of submerged queen near Bovatoya. Then we shall have a scene where they are taking queen out of the water and transport her to some clasyfied facility, preferably on volcanic tropical island. The outcome would be big explosion of volcano that kills everything on island.
If ew want a reboot then we should take whole action to space.
Quotewhere do we go from here?
We don't. We start from scratch.
If AvP happens again, it needs to be the classic AvP: Prey story, or somthing like that, and the AvP movies need to be completely forgotten.
They could get a good story written by some of the guys who write the game stories.. those aren't that bad.
i did post and idea here
http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=32413.0
Quote from: Spaghetti on Jun 30, 2010, 02:04:17 PM
Quotewhere do we go from here?
We don't.
IF WE STAY THE CORUSE.....WE ARE DEAD!! WWWWEEE ARE ALLLLL DEAAAADDD!!!!!!
Aka...no more AvP. ;D
Plus one on the reboot.
I like the general scenario presented in Redemption. With some fine-tuning and extension, its basic plot would be a pretty effective basis for an AvP film.
I dunno....I dont want a creature based movie. I'd rather root for the humans, and enjoy the fights.
You can shift the focus and keep the same plot.
For instance, the movie could begin with the marine investigating the ship and finding datalogs of what happened to provide the setup as the movie goes on.
What about AvP? Why not (exiting denial mode ::) ) just ignore AvPR, AvP was actually a decent movie.
It deserves a decent sequel.
AvP-R was it's sequel....
I said a decent sequel.
Quote from: Mr. Self Destruct on Jul 10, 2010, 10:58:31 AM
What about AvP? Why not (exiting denial mode ::) ) just ignore AvPR, AvP was actually a decent movie.
It deserves a decent sequel.
AvP shouldn't have had a sequel, no AvPR, should have just stopped there, just one little fun film like transformers 2, but unfortunately holywood loves making piece of s**T movies so....
i dont think the first AVP was good at all sorry - each to their own :-)
I thought the first AvP was kickass! It was the first Alien film I ever saw in a theatre, no other Alien or Predator film can equal that...
Quote from: Mr. Self Destruct on Jul 10, 2010, 11:00:47 PM
I thought the first AvP was kickass! It was the first Alien film I ever saw in a theatre, no other Alien or Predator film can equal that...
Funny.
They're a lot of directions the story can go. I like avp alien vs. predator and avpr alien vs. predator: requiem. It'll be interesting to see what the strause brothers show us in avp 3. If they direct it.
Quote from: Lost Predator on May 02, 2010, 05:58:39 PM
IF this film is ever made, what do you want from it? I've been thinking about a few ideas for the general story:
#1 - The VERY first meeting between the two races. Obviously somewhere is space and maybe we could have a young AVP Elder inserted as one of the main Predators. Possibly even have him being the one that captures the queen whom is later imprisoned in the AVP Pyramid. Big drawback is how to insert humans in here.
#2 - Sometime in the future and in space say maybe on LV-426. Aliens have overrun the planet, humans try to re-claim it, while Predators come in for a big hunt. Maybe this film could be the one to have the merger of W-Y.
I don't see having problems including humans into an AVP movie as a major drawback.
I would personally like to see a clan of predators invading a hive to capture a queen alien.
Something like the AVP war comic (#0). It was gritty, lots of casualties on both sides, and
really exciting to read much less watch unfolding on the big screen.
Everybody always says "we need human characters" I dissagree and say we need a human
narrator. Something like the guy from the Conan movie.
Quote from: Nihil on Jul 18, 2010, 01:38:05 AM
Quote from: Lost Predator on May 02, 2010, 05:58:39 PM
IF this film is ever made, what do you want from it? I've been thinking about a few ideas for the general story:
#1 - The VERY first meeting between the two races. Obviously somewhere is space and maybe we could have a young AVP Elder inserted as one of the main Predators. Possibly even have him being the one that captures the queen whom is later imprisoned in the AVP Pyramid. Big drawback is how to insert humans in here.
#2 - Sometime in the future and in space say maybe on LV-426. Aliens have overrun the planet, humans try to re-claim it, while Predators come in for a big hunt. Maybe this film could be the one to have the merger of W-Y.
I don't see having problems including humans into an AVP movie as a major drawback.
I would personally like to see a clan of predators invading a hive to capture a queen alien.
Something like the AVP war comic (#0). It was gritty, lots of casualties on both sides, and
really exciting to read much less watch unfolding on the big screen.
Everybody always says "we need human characters" I dissagree and say we need a human
narrator. Something like the guy from the Conan movie.
I completely agree with the narrator, and somthing along the lines of the original AvP stories.
See I... I had an idea in mind some days ago. I know it may sound like shit but here it is.
The AvPR survivors are taken to a secret agency that deals with Alien and Predator appearences over the world. They discover that the head of this is actually Alexa from the first film. She explains them everything from A to Z about what really killed their beloved ones. Just in time, another Pyramid is discovered in Amazon. Alexa is determined to destroy it. Whaddia think? It's just a basic plot point...
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Jul 18, 2010, 11:11:01 AM
See I... I had an idea in mind some days ago. I know it may sound like shit but here it is.
The AvPR survivors are taken to a secret agency that deals with Alien and Predator appearences over the world. They discover that the head of this is actually Alexa from the first film. She explains them everything from A to Z about what really killed their beloved ones. Just in time, another Pyramid is discovered in Amazon. Alexa is determined to destroy it. Whaddia think? It's just a basic plot point...
Honestly i think thats a really good AvP3 FOR the last two crap films though.. I just can't stand the characters from both movies (accept Alexa). I would really just like to see these last AvP movies be throwin into the trash. Have an amazing director make the first official AvP movie. Whether it be in space, future, past, present, it doesn't matter we need a director who can make it work anytime, anywhere. My dream is that James Cameron directs the AvP: Prey story, then the two that follow. Just imagine that..
im ok with them attempting another avp i just hope they either have more predators again or just one again because i hated how grid killed gill and celtic right away i would be ok with it if it was like half way thru instead of right after each other
I don't know if this has already been posted or not, but... What's your guys' ideas for AvP3 if they make it?
I have an idea.... the movie is when the predators first come in contact with the xenomorphs on the xenomorphs home planet. (Predators go to the (foreign) planet to try to find a lost team of preds they lost contact with) The predators are truly tested upon meeting these new creatures (no xeno vision yet). They fight tooth and nail on instinct trying to find their comrads,... ultimately finding A xeno-hive, Queen, pred-aliens, and their downed comrads.
I'd love to see it along the same lines as AVP 2 for the PC, great game, good story, a film version of it could possibly work....
Take AvP: Alien Vs. Predator (2004).
Got it? Okey.
Switch location of the Pyramid to an alien Planet - with a jungle around the Pyramid.
Put it into a new date: Something in-between Alien and Aliens or after Alien: Resurrection - or set it in a completely new timeline.
Add a small elite squad of Enhanced Troops (>10).
5 Predators against 5 Aliens.
Bam, there you go.
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I would simply say put AvP Prey on screen.
Or
Spoiler
The story takes places between Alien 3 and Alien:R, in a (secret)
scientist& military complex of the USMC on an unregistered planet(XV-51)
Their experiences are concerning a unknow life form found by a USMC
spaceships, in hybernation (and very weakened). Loose in the middle of space (yes it is the Queen of
Aliens, i supposed that a xeno can life in space. Maybe i'm wrong but whatever....)
This life form (the Aliens' Queen) quickly recover and start to lay eggs in
a heavily armored greenhouse .The death of many Marines and scientists
(during the Queen transfer to the complex) leads the directors to have a very carfull and
almost paranoiac secutity level (and behavior) about this life form
(and her children)
The Weyland-Yutani's industrial spies (in the USMC) quickly informed
THE BOSS about the USMC secret base and his special contents.
The WY corporation quickly realized that the USMC would then be able to
take the lead of the weapons and technological race , and threaten their
(economic) monopoly.
Then WY used their most efficient and loyal private militaries,and hired a
"special" soldier of fortun well known fo his incredible strategy
skills. In order to attack the X-51 complex
Obectives:
- shut down every communiaction and alarm possibility of the complex
(no S.O.S)
- kill or neutralized the 57 militaries an scientists personel of the complex
- take the control of the military complex and give enough time for the
WY specialized team to hack scientists' researches and steal
some level 1 xeno (eggs). Before the USMC realized somethings wrong.
- destroy the military complex and his personel (this must look like an
accident)
At the same time (in space) 3 PREDATOR's tribes are preparing a "hunting contest".
That means that each tribe select their own best "young champion" which have to bring back the
worthiest trophy (compare to the others "young champions" trophies) if they want to win.
The winner tribe would earn respect,honor AND many hunting planets
The tribes involved are :
-the Lost Predator tribe (Predator2)
-the AvP (2004) tribe
-The Abyss Eye clan ( a new very technological clan)
here is a pic of the Abyss Eye Pred champion (in quick painting, not fully detailed version)
Spoiler
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All tribes Elders (P2 ELder, AVP Elder and Abyss Eye Elder) already know their is a xenomorph activity (and a Queen) on this
planet (XV-51) ,but they agree to don't inform their champions about it, in order to challenge their tracking and searching skills.
Adapt the prologue of the first AVP comic. Conversation between two space truckers concerning their lives, juxtaposed with wordless Alien/Predator visuals that apply to what the two men are talking about. Shake well before unsealing.
Out pours solid gold.
What do you do for the next 95 minutes?
Very slow credits.
Adapt the original Aliens vs. Predator comic with Machiko, add in Weyland-Yutani, a droid, some M41A pulse rifles, the Broken Tusk Predator but make him look like the original one, Warrior Aliens, a Praetorian or two, maybe a quadriped alien....and omit the' film' entitled Alien Vs. Predator
Quote from: SM on Mar 02, 2011, 12:13:12 AM
What do you do for the next 95 minutes?
Skip to the part where Machiko sees the hunter's egg drop in the distance and decides to participate in the hunt ;D
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Mar 01, 2011, 08:02:57 PM
Take AvP: Alien Vs. Predator (2004).
Got it? Okey.
Switch location of the Pyramid to an alien Planet - with a jungle around the Pyramid.
Put it into a new date: Something in-between Alien and Aliens or after Alien: Resurrection - or set it in a completely new timeline.
Add a small elite squad of Enhanced Troops (>10).
5 Predators against 5 Aliens.
Bam, there you go.
This more or less works for me.
You can replace the Weyland mercs with the Synthetics from the 2010 AvP game. 'Cept them being Synthetic is a plot reveal; they're there less for security and more to dispose of the scientific specialists once Weyland-Yutani has what they need. So you can have the Synthetics being set up as a sort of measure. Basically, they effortlessly (and with horrific indifference) paste a few of the scientists and then the usual suspects make them look like shit.
A larger section of the film can take place on the surface of the planet, mostly when the underground temple goes kerbang. Only Grid (or his equivalent -- a more subtle scar would work better) and Scar are remaining of their respective species, locked in a deadly game of cat and mouse blah blah blah blah. Then Grid kills the shit out of Scar 'cause I'm an Alien fanboy.
The Queen makes an appearance but is pasted by a Predator's plasma caster. Said Predator shortly thereafter gets gutted by an Alien, 'cause the Queen is a sack of shit meant for pooping out Alien warriors, not fighting in her own right.
An ice planet works just fine. Or an area of an arid planet with ice caps. Or something. We can have the same deal going on; surely planets other than earth experience climate change. We can also change the rationale of the Predators this way -- perhaps the temple is truly abandoned and emits a signal after the humans reactivate it after thousands of years? Then the Preds are all "Oh shit, we better crack down on this, otherwise the Aliens might get outta there and then
everyone is f**ked forever".
So the Predators may not be trying to prove anything. They might be playing for keeps. Which would necessitate them being even more badass and the Aliens even more cunning and ruthless.
As for characters, we can mix it up a bit. Perhaps one of them spent time homeless? Or as a drug addict? Perhaps one has a criminal record they're keeping secret? Or, more relevantly, perhaps one sold a dangerous scientific advance to WY against their own conscience? One may have wanted to be a soldier, but dropped out after training was too difficult. Perhaps one has falsified credentials to justify experiments that don't meet ethics restrictions, for the "betterment of mankind" or some shit. Perhaps one is mentally disturbed and becomes a wildcard after running out of medication?
Hell, perhaps one of the Predators is mentally disturbed. Or just f**king
paranoid, seeing signs of Aliens where there are none.
There is one hell of a lot you can do. You just have to get out of the rut of imitation.
Quote from: Sharp Sticks on Mar 01, 2011, 11:54:25 PM
Adapt the prologue of the first AVP comic. Conversation between two space truckers concerning their lives, juxtaposed with wordless Alien/Predator visuals that apply to what the two men are talking about. Shake well before unsealing.
Out pours solid gold.
Balance out the fights and you have a deal!
Quote from: AliceApocalypse on Mar 02, 2011, 07:09:57 PM
Skip to the part where Machiko sees the hunter's egg drop in the distance and decides to participate in the hunt ;D
That idea belongs in this thread (http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=37577.0). ;D
Quote from: kelgaard on Mar 02, 2011, 09:53:48 PM
Quote from: Sharp Sticks on Mar 01, 2011, 11:54:25 PM
Adapt the prologue of the first AVP comic. Conversation between two space truckers concerning their lives, juxtaposed with wordless Alien/Predator visuals that apply to what the two men are talking about. Shake well before unsealing.
Out pours solid gold.
Balance out the fights and you have a deal!
Which one?
The first fihgt 6 vs 6 battle. Which is indeed a 1vs1 battle? ( result :1 or 2 preds down ,6 aliens down)
The fight when Machinko is 'saved" by a pred who takes down 4 aliens before going down (cause surounded and largely out numbered)
The fight where a pred is instantly neutralized by a 3aliens swarm?
The broken tusk famous 1 vs 5 fights (too badass to be cut , if you ask me ;D )
The Queen vs Machinko battle?
It's just a question , nothing more ;)
Broken Tusk is too badass for his fight to be neutered completely. Other Preds can get owned 1 on 1. But not Broken Tusk.
I think he's referring to the first battle, where it's 6 vs 6 and one Predator goes down.
Quote from: MadassAlex on Mar 02, 2011, 10:12:40 PM
Broken Tusk is too badass for his fight to be neutered completely. Other Preds can get owned 1 on 1. But not Broken Tusk.
Sorry i don't get what you mean? (not your fault, it's mine). Could you be more accruate?
Quote from: MadassAlex on Mar 02, 2011, 10:12:40 PM
I think he's referring to the first battle, where it's 6 vs 6 and one Predator goes down.
I thoug that a second pred least was wounded during this battle. Gonna check this out
Basically I mean that Broken Tusk should be able to take on multiple Aliens, even if we're "rebalancing" the concept so 1 Alien = 1 Predator.
Ok , thanks for the explanation ;)
QuoteI think he's referring to the first battle, where it's 6 vs 6 and one Predator goes down.
Correct. What a stab through the heart that was. A half-page and it was over. I was turning pages looking for the rest of the fight, unable to accept that the aliens were simply slaughtered.
QuoteBroken Tusk is too badass for his fight to be neutered completely. Other Preds can get owned 1 on 1. But not Broken Tusk.
I'd be cool with that as long as he has a badass alien counterpart a la Grid.
QuoteThe first fihgt 6 vs 6 battle. Which is indeed a 1vs1 battle? ( result :1 or 2 preds down ,6 aliens down)
The fight when Machinko is 'saved" by a pred who takes down 4 aliens before going down (cause surounded and largely out numbered)
The broken tusk famous 1 vs 5 fights (too badass to be cut , if you ask me ;D )
The Queen vs Machinko battle?
Remembering all that felt like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1AM-UEMEws# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1AM-UEMEws#)
Quote from: kelgaard on Mar 03, 2011, 04:00:01 AM
QuoteI think he's referring to the first battle, where it's 6 vs 6 and one Predator goes down.
Correct. What a stab through the heart that was. A half-page and it was over. I was turning pages looking for the rest of the fight, unable to accept that the aliens were simply slaughtered.
QuoteBroken Tusk is too badass for his fight to be neutered completely. Other Preds can get owned 1 on 1. But not Broken Tusk.
I'd be cool with that as long as he has a badass alien counterpart a la Grid.
QuoteThe first fihgt 6 vs 6 battle. Which is indeed a 1vs1 battle? ( result :1 or 2 preds down ,6 aliens down)
The fight when Machinko is 'saved" by a pred who takes down 4 aliens before going down (cause surounded and largely out numbered)
The fight where a pred is instantly neutralized by a 3aliens swarm?
The broken tusk famous 1 vs 5 fights (too badass to be cut , if you ask me ;D )
The Queen vs Machinko battle?
Remembering all that felt like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1AM-UEMEws# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1AM-UEMEws#)
Fixed
You didn't quote correctly my whole post ;D (just teasing)
I just want aliens that look like this...
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fanimationartwork.com%2Fartwork%2Fimagery%2Fl.AlienInferno_DenBeauvais.jpg&hash=10b8ea52ee1d16db62c53542c54e0b2e8f4b9c47)
and predators that look like this...
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with action scenes like this...
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(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi49.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Ff291%2Fsabres21768%2Fother13%2FAvP3WorldWar3b.jpg&hash=1e097b6c3122ca1271cb49641d47e706e473b11a)
and Colonial Marines! Woo!
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Quote from: kelgaard on Mar 05, 2011, 09:01:31 PM
I just want aliens that look like this...
http://animationartwork.com/artwork/imagery/l.AlienInferno_DenBeauvais.jpg
and predators that look like this...
http://articulationtimes.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/1predmaskedoriginalNEW.jpg
with action scenes like this...
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi918.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fad28%2Fkelgaard%2Faliensvspredator.jpg%3Ft%3D1299358566&hash=399ff76f5f7b7233edd56fde01548403dad432b2)
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi49.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Ff291%2Fsabres21768%2Fother13%2FAvP3WorldWar3b.jpg&hash=1e097b6c3122ca1271cb49641d47e706e473b11a)
and Colonial Marines! Woo!
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This.
But maybe not have the Predators owning Aliens quite so much as that. And show some "younger" aliens still with their Giger domes.
Also, I would want a female predator and a male predator.
Also, a badass predalien. As in, a proper one. Just like the one in Ghostface's Signature. The predalien would be no different from another alien other than that it would have a slightly different appearance and is a bit taller.
Also I would want the film to be more Horror like.
Oh yeah, and hopefully a good quality film this time.
I think an idea like the Marine campaign for AvP2 works the best. A group of people thrown into a shitstorm of activity with little to no getting to know the Alien or Predator perspectives.
They are just malevolent forces out to get you and your trying to survive. Obviously this would need to be reworked into a compressed script as said campaign is simply to big, but I think something along those lines is much better than AvP or AvPR where the predators essentially became characters and lost much of their menace.
I think the original AvP comic could also very easily work. As its set up to be an isolated incident that requires no direct involvement with either of the alien/predator movies. But you do the exact same thing with it as the AvP and AvPR movies did. Just replace Scar and Wolf with Broken Tusk/Yeyinde.
I've been brainstorming this idea for a while.
Alien timeline, Weyland-Yutani has set up a research colony on a distant planet. It is in an isolated area mainly designed for studying the flora & fauna, surrounded by extraterrestrial dense jungle & rocky caves, but with a landing pad for incoming ships. An object is dropped off from the sky within the near vicinity just inside the forest, & the facility personnel go to check it out. Within days the base & its security is overrun & the colonial marines are called in. All they know is that there's a 'hostile situation'.
Once the troops arrive, they discover the facility desolate & void of life (similar to in Aliens), but pretty soon they realize they are in some truly deep shit. Their dropship is taken down by an unknown shooter & their communication lines are cut off. One by one they slowly get picked off without seeing a thing, until finally they realize they are in the middle of a killing ground with the two deadliest species in the universe.
In essence, the object from the sky was a Queen facehugger egg dropped by a small clan of predators which they used to deliberately overrun the facility so they could come down several days later & hunt the matriarch just for kicks. When the corps show up, it just makes things all the more interesting.
The Xenos would be more akin to Giger's original, methodical & intelligent. Dangerous individually, as a pack absolutely lethal. The predator clan would be ideally similar to the one in Predator 2. They are also highly experienced & totally ruthless.
Some ideas I had for particular scenes or encounters:
- A marine being attacked by a facehugger, he pins it against the wall with all his strength & stabs it with his combat knife. The acid blood erupts onto his face & causes serious damage.
- An alien uncurling behind a predator & revealing itself like Brett's death in the original film. They have a momentary face-to-face stare down, & just as the Xeno peels back its lips to strike the predator lunges, then the fight ensues.
- A predator mimics the sound of the Queen, confusing the other aliens for a few moments (like what Dr. Grant did to the raptors in Jurassic Park 3.)
- A cocooned marine is strung up inside the hive. An invisible figure appears in front of him. The predator brings itself close, staring at him face-to-face. As the helpless bound victim begins to feel the chestburster tearing away at his insides, he spits blood in the Yautja's face. "I hope they f**king kill you too!" he murmurs with his last breath as the pred, angered by his disrespect, violently punches through his sternum & rips the chestburster out of his body with its bare hands, then kills it. The death of one of their babies then awakens the rest of the hive.
^Good ideas. That stage/scenario would be a good way to put both creatures in their element. I would recommend that instead of dropping an egg from the sky, have the colonists discover an underground pyramid. Not an Aztek/Mayan/Egyptian pyramid from AVP, but a Giger designed one obviously built by the Jockeys.
EDIT: Found an identical topic...
http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=2112.0 (http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=2112.0)
Quote from: samoht on Mar 06, 2011, 12:06:29 AM
Quote from: kelgaard on Mar 05, 2011, 09:01:31 PM
I just want aliens that look like this...
http://animationartwork.com/artwork/imagery/l.AlienInferno_DenBeauvais.jpg
and predators that look like this...
http://articulationtimes.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/1predmaskedoriginalNEW.jpg
with action scenes like this...
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi918.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fad28%2Fkelgaard%2Faliensvspredator.jpg%3Ft%3D1299358566&hash=399ff76f5f7b7233edd56fde01548403dad432b2)
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and Colonial Marines! Woo!
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ironhands.com%2Fsi01_all.jpg&hash=475760ec1d7da3dad04e0cbe45debc70e88b0664)
This.
But maybe not have the Predators owning Aliens quite so much as that. And show some "younger" aliens still with their Giger domes.
Also, I would want a female predator and a male predator.
Also, a badass predalien. As in, a proper one. Just like the one in Ghostface's Signature. The predalien would be no different from another alien other than that it would have a slightly different appearance and is a bit taller.
Also I would want the film to be more Horror like.
Oh yeah, and hopefully a good quality film this time.
My thoughts exactly
It's possible i've posted my thoughts in this forum before and i must say they were not all that different to the ideas presented by Stalker and Kelgaard...
We'd have set up an off world colony similar to the one in Aliens but on a slightly less atmospherically hostile planet with perhaps a rain forest of sorts to boot. We'd discover a Pyramid, where we'd find stores of Xeno eggs akin to those seen in Alien. I keep thinking here to the AVP game, where the Xeno mission starts you in a pyramid.
Anyways, wackiness ensues and Aliens begin to take over, as they do. Then, while i never came up with a good plot device to explain it a team of Predators, either 3 or 5, would arrive at the human settlement looking for trouble. The goal is essentially to make it similar to Aliens, with the CM's or military already present on base, and then just insert Predators.
I had this idea:
The movie takes place in between Alien and Aliens, about 42 years after Alien. A distant colony, founded by the United States, begins to revolt. They start an uproar and there are constant riots. The Colonial Marines are sent in to quell the rebellion.
But before they get there, some Preds deploy a queen egg, and all hell breaks loose.
But before all hell breaks loose, the Marines arrive and have an epic battle with some rebels. Meanwhile, the Queen starts laying eggs and then Xenos spread throughout the colony. They start out like Giger's Alien, a young adult. Then they mature into Cameron's Warriors. There are also some dogs on the colony, so some Dog xenos are thrown in too.
Then the Preds arrive. They all look different, like each are from a different clan, like a joint-clan hunt. There is about half a dozen or so.
So then a massive battle begins! Eventually whatever is left of the Marines, and Rebels, have to team up for survival.
But the Company discovers what happens, and they activate some sort of protocol in the synthetics. So a synthetic tricks the group into wandering in the nest. One of the Rebels is impregnated by a Facehugger. The synthetic takes the rebel and abandons the others, and takes the rebel to a hidden ship. The synthetic puts him in hypersleep and escapes the planet. The Marine's ship is sabotaged, due to protocol, and the humans are trapped.
Eventually the colonists are all killed off, and the Marines go out in a blaze of glory. They are all killed, the last Marine is killed by a Praetorian :o
Eventually, the Predators fight their way to the Queen, and in an epic battle, kill her. They take her skull, but the rest of the Xenos converge on their location. One Pred escapes and sets off their bomb-thingy. They had planted several throughout the Hive. He sets them all off and kills all the Xenos. The Pred flies away without the Queen's skull, but plenty of human and Xeno warrior heads.
After the credits, it shows the synthetic and several scientists all looking into a small chamber. Inside the chamber is a Giger Drone, curled up in the corner.
Then the shot changes to a blood covered wall. We here MU-TH-UR, she says "WARNING QUARANTINE IN EFFECT" and "SPECIMANS LOOSE"
The camera pans to show several scientists and staff cocooned and being turned into eggs.
And instead of AVP3, call it ALIENS VERSUS PREDATORS
EDIT:
Forget the very ending....kinda crappy.
Quote from: gtsp669 on Jun 06, 2011, 05:50:15 AM
And instead of AVP3, call it ALIENS VERSUS PREDATORS
the fast and the furious - fast and furious
Im more for a predator who is very smart and very ruthless/sick/sadistic sort of Macgyver meets Mr Brooks (serial killer) meets Dutch. See him as a fullgrown strong warrior who knows whats he is doing and he is very good at what he does.
It begins in outer space a large cruiser spaceship is orbitting a planet for exploration of new worlds contact is lost and they only got a vague message.
A ship is send to investigate with a crew of 15 humans,
it docks with the cruiser and people enter it they find no one its a large cruiser teams are formed entering the ship deeper they find bodies hanging skinned.
And from there on the cat and mouse game begins with the big smart efficient predator killing them off one by one.
A small group escapes with an escape pod to the planet coming down in a strange structural surroundings.
Were they see another escape pod so they follow the footprints into the structure,strange drawings on the wall and strange large doors.
The predator arrives and simply uses higher ground and follows the humans,
he gets distracted by something and comes up in area with walls like in the derelict and sees in a room two humans acting weird he turns off his cloaking device and looks at them and he cant really make out what they are saying to each other but there laughing and acting wierd until he reckognizes the language they are speaking the predators language blood dripping out of there nose and ears the predator is surprised and leans forward and when he does that he sees a big tall weird looking space jockey looking at the predator in a moment the predator understand the jockey is inside the preds mind for already a couple of minutes without hesitating he grawls and aims the shoulder canon and fires but the jockey moves like its a dream and in slow mo. the pred sees no way out and leaps towards the jockey with his wrist blade out and then it goes black.
then we move back to the humans who enter lv-426 like shaped rooms with aliens all over but not noticeable,
walking on,the four of them one wounded entering strange rooms who reminds them of dreams and thing they cant place but they have seen before.
a strange looking alien shows himself with a weird shaped head they all freeze the creature approaches them they turn around and start running and the weird alien follows.
Moving to the end of the movie two humans make it to the jockeys room were they see the large pred not able to move and the jockey mind f**king him and the other two humans laying there dead (once a jockey comes in your brain you cannot survive it it damages too much) the jockey sees the humans and turns toward them the jockey still inside the predators head but weaker because he is know focussing on the humans by inspecting them so the predator is able to acctivate his nuke on his wrist and therefor f**king the whole shit up for the jockey who finds out and within an instant rips of the preds head with lots of anger but the nuke is ticking and the jocky flees and the humans get the idea also and take a run for it.... so therefor somekind of ending but consider this is still under construction ;)
You know how a lot of AvP comics, and most of the games, are pretty much Aliens guest starring Predators? I was thinking, why not a new movie that is Predator-like in atmosphere, feel and/or story, featuring an Alien?
Story
Set in the future, on a planet used by a Guerrilla-like organization. The lead humans are a squad of marines sent to deal with them. A Predator sees them in action, and goes after them. Only, out of nowhere comes a strange creature, with a phallic head shape, an apparent lack of eyes and an jaw inside it's outer one. The Predator attempts to fight this unknown being and barely manages to survive.
The planet, or to be more precise, the area of the planet the story is set on, could be a jungle, but it could also be something else. A desert, a cavern, something completely alien.
I was also thinking of involving two other alien forms, each of them based on the title characters' respective original designs.
I was thinking of an Epic adaptation of Three World War, using large flashbacks based on Aliens vs Predator, Aliens vs Predator: War, Aliens: More Than Human and Predator: Prey to the Heavens. Of course, faults in all five stories would be changed or removed to make it work better.
i think they should just do n adaptation of the classic "alien vs predator" comic, the one with machiko on ryushi
Quote from: maestro on Jun 23, 2011, 12:27:26 PM
i think they should just do n adaptation of the classic "alien vs predator" comic, the one with machiko on ryushi
If Machiko dies in one of the most gruesome way imaginable then I'm all for it. Don't care which species kills her. And the Aliens must not be portrayed as cannon fodder.
Quote from: DUB1 on Jun 25, 2011, 09:59:54 AM
Quote from: maestro on Jun 23, 2011, 12:27:26 PM
i think they should just do n adaptation of the classic "alien vs predator" comic, the one with machiko on ryushi
If Machiko dies in one of the most gruesome way imaginable then I'm all for it.
....what?
Quote from: DUB1 on Jun 25, 2011, 09:59:54 AM
Quote from: maestro on Jun 23, 2011, 12:27:26 PM
i think they should just do n adaptation of the classic "alien vs predator" comic, the one with machiko on ryushi
If Machiko dies in one of the most gruesome way imaginable then I'm all for it. Don't care which species kills her. And the Aliens must not be portrayed as cannon fodder.
I don't know about her dying a violent death, but if we ditch the bullshit at the end where she joins up with the Predators and flies away in their magical spaceship to go live with them in cotton candy land, then the original comic would be a great film.
Quote from: Darkbladepred2.0 on Jun 25, 2011, 10:30:38 AM
Quote from: DUB1 on Jun 25, 2011, 09:59:54 AM
Quote from: maestro on Jun 23, 2011, 12:27:26 PM
i think they should just do n adaptation of the classic "alien vs predator" comic, the one with machiko on ryushi
If Machiko dies in one of the most gruesome way imaginable then I'm all for it. Don't care which species kills her. And the Aliens must not be portrayed as cannon fodder.
I don't know about her dying a violent death, but if we ditch the bullshit at the end where she joins up with the Predators and flies away in their magical spaceship to go live with them in cotton candy land, then the original comic would be a great film.
i think the ending of that comic could stick, because as told in the comics after that, the predator society is nothing like a cotton candy world. that story could be a sequel!
I'd rather the comics' Predator society never be canonised, unless it's only one culture out of many. It was way too human-like, with the much ridiculed Shorty and a feminazi's (not the same as a feminist) wet dream with the overly dominant female Preds. Larger and more aggressive females, sure, why not. Gender dominance? Hell no!
Quote from: maestro on Jun 25, 2011, 10:55:52 AM
i think the ending of that comic could stick, because as told in the comics after that, the predator society is nothing like a cotton candy world. that story could be a sequel!
Come on, can you honestly say it's believable for them to just take her in? And for her to become a part of their society (however lowly she was seen as when she was a part of it)? And for her to go head to head with them in unarmed battles?
Machiko's story pretty much went way past acceptable levels of disbelief suspension after the first comic.
Quote from: DUB1 on Jun 25, 2011, 11:17:16 AM
I'd rather the comics' Predator society never be canonised
I think we've found something we agree on.
Quote from: DUB1 on Jun 25, 2011, 11:17:16 AM
I'd rather the comics' Predator society never be canonised, unless it's only one culture out of many. It was way too human-like, with the much ridiculed Shorty and a feminazi's (not the same as a feminist) wet dream with the overly dominant female Preds. Larger and more aggressive females, sure, why not. Gender dominance? Hell no!
the "feminazis" theory isnt from that comic, there isnt any female predators at all in that comic actually. i wonder what comic do the dominant female predators come from? i have never seen it.
About the Predator "Shorty" I would like to see him/it in a movie. But only as long as they omit the whole story of him/it being ridiculed by most other Preds. I'd love to see smaller Preds. Yes, I know some would say the "black" Predators and Classic in Predators were actually shorter, but the movie did not meant for that to be the case. "Shorty" could be the first actual small Predator introduced to the canon.
But as far as small Predators are concerned, I'd personally prefer Long Spear from P:CJ (the game, of course) to "Shorty". You don't need a P:CJ movie adaptation to bring it to the movieverse.
Quote from: DUB1 on Jun 25, 2011, 03:57:45 PM
About the Predator "Shorty" I would like to see him/it in a movie. But only as long as they omit the whole story of him/it being ridiculed by most other Preds. I'd love to see smaller Preds. Yes, I know some would say the "black" Predators and Classic in Predators were actually shorter, but the movie did not meant for that to be the case. "Shorty" could be the first actual small Predator introduced to the canon.
But as far as small Predators are concerned, I'd personally prefer Long Spear from P:CJ (the game, of course) to "Shorty". You don't need a P:CJ movie adaptation to bring it to the movieverse.
do the comic Concrete jungle have anything in common with the horrible death-rape that is the game?
Quote from: DUB1 on Jun 25, 2011, 03:57:45 PM
About the Predator "Shorty" I would like to see him/it in a movie. But only as long as they omit the whole story of him/it being ridiculed by most other Preds. I'd love to see smaller Preds. Yes, I know some would say the "black" Predators and Classic in Predators were actually shorter, but the movie did not meant for that to be the case. "Shorty" could be the first actual small Predator introduced to the canon.
But as far as small Predators are concerned, I'd personally prefer Long Spear from P:CJ (the game, of course) to "Shorty". You don't need a P:CJ movie adaptation to bring it to the movieverse.
Lol dwarf predators.
Theres a sort of Shorty at the end of pred2 that I always though was cool.
Keep the ideas original, and for god sake keep them grounded in reality. That is what has always made both franchises so popular, the fact that they could actually happen. It ads to the façade. The minute you start adding fantasy elements the credibility goes right out the window which unfortunately has happened too many times in the EU.
Quote from: Ghostface on Jun 27, 2011, 09:34:46 AM
Keep the ideas original, and for god sake keep them grounded in reality. That is what has always made both franchises so popular, the fact that they could actually happen. It ads to the façade. The minute you start adding fantasy elements the credibility goes right out the window which unfortunately has happened too many times in the EU.
well i dont know about that, i wouldnt count AVP:Prey as EU because it was before all the movies, and everything, its the original story THE SOURCE material that everything else is based on.
Quote from: maestro on Jun 27, 2011, 10:27:48 AM
i wouldnt count AVP:Prey as EU because it was before all the movies, and everything, its the original story THE SOURCE material that everything else is based on.
Wasn't Prey just the novelization of the original comic? Wouldn't that make the comic THE SOURCE MATERIAL that everything else is based on?
Quote from: Darkbladepred2.0 on Jun 27, 2011, 10:41:02 AM
Quote from: maestro on Jun 27, 2011, 10:27:48 AM
i wouldnt count AVP:Prey as EU because it was before all the movies, and everything, its the original story THE SOURCE material that everything else is based on.
Wasn't Prey just the novelization of the original comic? Wouldn't that make the comic THE SOURCE MATERIAL that everything else is based on?
Correct and the comic's source material was Alien/Aliens & Predator. The original AVP never had eternal life, cyber punks or any other stupid fantasy ideas that have bled out of the EU over the years.
exactly! :)
Quote from: Ghostface on Jun 27, 2011, 10:48:40 AM
The original AVP never had eternal life, cyber punks or any other stupid fantasy ideas that have bled out of the EU over the years.
Yeah. The original comic was the only one besides "Duel" that I finished and was able to say "Gee, that actually fits in the universe the movies set up." (Aside from Machiko's joining of the Predators at the end.)
How does "Prey" compare to the comic? It's an adaptation, but does it try to add a bunch of ridiculous backstory to the Predators or anything?
Not really. It describes deeper what goes on on the ship and goes into some of their rituals a little but doesnt get too bogged down on it. Although that is where the whole "honor" code came from. It explains further why the clan attack the humans and why broken tusk turn around and kill his "students". It does make the whole team up thing make more sense.
Most AvP stories usually feature a group of ordinary (relatively speaking) people who discover the creatures for the first time and get caught between them, but both the A and P series establish the presence of a powerful human organization that not only knows of the creatures' existence, but is actively trying to acquire a specimen. After the events of the Alien movies, it wouldn't be a stretch to think that there is at least one government or corporate entity that is aware of both aliens and predators and is seeking them out.
The next AvP movie could focus on the story of one or more persons who come into the employ of this organization and then, well, you know the drill. Corruption, conspiracies, secrets, plot twists, and shocking discoveries all lead to a cataclysmic showdown between the three species.
Quote from: Darkbladepred2.0 on Jun 25, 2011, 12:57:23 PM
Come on, can you honestly say it's believable for them to just take her in? And for her to become a part of their society (however lowly she was seen as when she was a part of it)? And for her to go head to head with them in unarmed battles?
Machiko's story pretty much went way past acceptable levels of disbelief suspension after the first comic.
For a comic book character, I enjoyed Machiko's story very much. Of the many comic book adaptations done on films, this one is particularly intersting enough to follow her through her decision to leave humanity for a while and live as Hunter. I enjoyed how the comic developed the species, their stories, and their implementations of humanity into their society.
In comic books, who cares what is literary canon and what is not. In this case, why not enjoy the story for what it is, a story.
I think the Novels did a great job of showing how much the predators hated that Machiko was with them and that they were forced into taking her in and tried to get rid of her at every chance they got. Due to the nature of the medium, I think the comics were a little too vague with this. Granted I read the novels before touching the comics so I knew the little things the comic didn't have time to explain.
Quote from: Ghostface on Jun 28, 2011, 12:41:24 AM
I think the Novels did a great job of showing how much the predators hated that Machiko was with them and that they were forced into taking her in and tried to get rid of her at every chance they got. Due to the nature of the medium, I think the comics were a little too vague with this. Granted I read the novels before touching the comics so I knew the little things the comic didn't have time to explain.
Other way around for me. Having a visual mental guide helped.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimages.wikia.com%2Favp%2Fimages%2F3%2F30%2FAliens_vs_Predator_cover.jpg&hash=9bffbac99700139596ac49546563b65342e447f0)
How about this.....in film form....Hell I don't care if it is done in the cut scene animation!!!!
http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=35466.0 (http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=35466.0)
You can find my whole idea here. Im pretty damn proud of it due to how long it took me to think of it
Quote from: #6.0 on Jul 11, 2011, 06:00:19 PM
http://images.wikia.com/avp/images/3/30/Aliens_vs_Predator_cover.jpg
How about this.....in film form....Hell I don't care if it is done in the cut scene animation!!!!
Too similar to avp. And srsly, space patroling, sacred ground-defending holy crap wuss predators, please no...
Quote from: #6.0 on Jul 11, 2011, 06:00:19 PM
http://images.wikia.com/avp/images/3/30/Aliens_vs_Predator_cover.jpg
How about this.....in film form....Hell I don't care if it is done in the cut scene animation!!!!
I have done this (game footage & cut scenes). Its on YouTube. Goes for about an hour and a half in 10 minutes blocks.
Quote from: Fujimaster on Jul 13, 2011, 09:14:09 AM
Quote from: #6.0 on Jul 11, 2011, 06:00:19 PM
http://images.wikia.com/avp/images/3/30/Aliens_vs_Predator_cover.jpg
How about this.....in film form....Hell I don't care if it is done in the cut scene animation!!!!
I have done this (game footage & cut scenes). Its on YouTube. Goes for about an hour and a half in 10 minutes blocks.
Link?
I would want the AvP 3 no humans. In a way back event when the xeno-morph planet existed and the movie should be about how the Predators destroyed it.
Quote from: #6.0 on Jul 13, 2011, 03:13:09 PM
Quote from: Fujimaster on Jul 13, 2011, 09:14:09 AM
Quote from: #6.0 on Jul 11, 2011, 06:00:19 PM
http://images.wikia.com/avp/images/3/30/Aliens_vs_Predator_cover.jpg
How about this.....in film form....Hell I don't care if it is done in the cut scene animation!!!!
I have done this (game footage & cut scenes). Its on YouTube. Goes for about an hour and a half in 10 minutes blocks.
Link?
http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=31435.0 (http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=31435.0)
Quote from: Lord Predator on Jul 13, 2011, 07:24:07 PM
I would want the AvP 3 no humans. In a way back event when the xeno-morph planet existed and the movie should be about how the Predators destroyed it.
That could work for a scene or for an Episode, but not for a movie. Audiences need characters to sympathize with and bond to. Aliens and Predators can't be an Audience Surrogate.
Quote from: Lord Predator on Jul 13, 2011, 07:24:07 PM
I would want the AvP 3 no humans. In a way back event when the xeno-morph planet existed and the movie should be about how the Predators destroyed it.
Do the people who write this crap not get how real movies work? Without humans you have no characters, and why would the predators destroy the aliens home planet, it's hardly in the spirit of hunting.
Space jockeys, colonial marines, and the xenomorph homeworld. If they include that it would be good. And no more strause brothers, for being special effects guys they really don't know how to light/ portray aliens and predators
AvP3 might as well be a reboot...but in space on a huge colonial ship and many more: six or so veteran predators, one of them maybe an Elder. Hundreds to thousands of Aliens witch are in the form of their rank (kind of like an ant's nest with their pecking order) witch there are the drones of course, witch acts as scouts and hunters, within every five to six drones, there is one warrior, theres at least three Praetorians guarding a huge mess hall witch a Queen resides laying countless amounts of eggs, and of course, within their battles, there will be up to at most, two predaliens. And of course, tough Colonial Marines witch have been sent there with a liasion to investigate and to destroy all extra-terrestrial activity and save survivors (of course if there is any, know what im saying? hehehe) Well, that's how I would envision AVP3: a reboot, starting fresh in space and ignoring the events of AVP & AVP:R but still continues under the influence of the alien and predator movies, set after Alien Rez. I hope so.
I don't want AvP connected to the previous Alien and Predator films. I tcreates too much of headache when it comes to what is canon and what isn't. I do like the idea of a futuristic setting though.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Aug 05, 2011, 08:08:39 PM
I don't want AvP connected to the previous Alien and Predator films. I tcreates too much of headache when it comes to what is canon and what isn't. I do like the idea of a futuristic setting though.
This. I don't want space jockeys or colonial marines, just a fun movie with both monsters kicking the crap out of each other.
We should see a reboot of the franchise soon enough. Its the hollywood thing at the moment.
There should be no thir sequel, the way I see it that WILL only end with the grave even deeper.
I want a reboot. My ideas.
"Whoever wins we lose" concept must die! Notice how both are just cheesy "VS" flings, the first making Predator fans scream, the second making Alien fans scream. I believe the only thing that should be "VS" about it is the title.
It should be a future setting with Colonial Marines. Obviously the Marines, probably along with a few civilian characters, end up in a crisis and end up in the middle of a conflict between the Aliens and Predators. This is were I might piss off some fan boys and girls.
The focus should almost be entirely on the human point of view with good characters that people can relate to and have both human protagonist and human antagonist. The Aliens and the Predators should be almost completely shrouded in mystery and the unknown, this movie should get us to really ask questions like "Where are they coming from? What are they capable of? How many are there? When will they strike next?" much like in Alien, Aliens, or Predator, hell even like Predators. I'm not saying such a reboot would even nearly as good as those films, they probably shouldn't even connect the AvP story to the origional Alien and Predator stories.
As I was saying, when you have the creatures covered in mystery you get a lot more suspense and even some jumps and scares from the general audience, which would be nice for such a film. Near the conclusion is when that epic "Alien vs Predator" battle takes place, not because it would be just plain f**king awesome, but as the final/one of the last and most significant obstacles in the humans journey in the story. Guess what, humans win this time. That way fan boys and girls from both sides have less to scream about, some will scream, but probably not to the point we should have to take them seriously like the past two films.
That is what I have so far.
Double post.
Title: Alien vs Predator (reboot) (maybe I'll come up with a better title...)
Intro: Your looking at the stars in outer space then you sowly scroll done as the credit thing is... doing it's thing, meanwhile you start to see a planet come into view as the screen scrolls done slowly, then once the credit thing is done you see the whole planet as well as a USCM ship rollin along peacefully. At the moment those words stop showing you hear a voice, saying something cool that I haven't thought of yet, something origional. When the voice is finished you see the ship just blow up out of no where. Then the black screen sowly takes over.
Done.
Start of the plot: You meet the main protagonist, for now we will call him Bob. He is a reservist in the United States Colonial Marines, he loses his second job as a vehicle mechanic, his girl friend leaves him, he is struggling to pay the bills because the reserves don't pay him enough. Some gang really wants to kick his ass because a gang member lost a game of poker to Bob and is a sore f**king loser. Bob doesn't really have any other choice than to volunteer for full time service.
To be continued.
Share your thoughts please and thanks.
AvP movie needs to have mainstay settings/characters like the series of games has. Futuristic colony/offworld setting, Colonial Marines, Weyland Yutani, etc. It also needs to completely drop the perspectives of the aliens/preds. Because focusing on them takes away characterization for the humans and humanizes the aliens/preds.
It also needs to be bigger in scope. I'm talking necromorphs taking over the Sprawl big with the earth or an even bigger colony potentially being overrun should it not be stopped.
The stakes for the last couple of Alien movies and AvP pred movies weren't high at all. Nothing felt endangered in the grand scheme of things.
base it on AvP Duel or AvP Prey
except
no team-up
no more Machiko/Ripley wannabes...AvP and AvP-R both went that route and failed, have a strong male protagonist instead
this franchise has really been cheapened
no good, famous actors would want to get involved, nameless actors hopefully with some acting skill would have to suffice
I'd love for the movie to be set inbetween AVPR and Prometheus and to include androids or the development/completion of the first androids by Weyland-Yutani; at first as more robotic-like workers for space exploration, but then as prototype soldiers and science officers as Weyland starts to realize the advantage of expendible workers. We need to get an android or a scientist to weigh-in, or study and assess the Predators just to give us some good back story about their behaviour or characteristics or whatever. The actual story could then take place off-planet with a small group of W-Y scientists studying chains of ancient ruins found on some of Saturn's moons that seem Predator in origin. They use the robots/precursors to the androids to avoid accidently stumbling upon a hive. Throughout the movie they are stationed on a gargantuan fusion powered space craft with an even more massive android-factory vessel, or space barge of sorts in tow behind it. They then attempt to use soldiers and improved robots/android precursors to wipe out an awakened hive and later defend against attacking predators curious about their presence a the ancient site, and their expansion into space. This way the colonial marines can be included or left out of the story if a tie-in happens or not. Most likely they'll have to be soldiers or the like working for Weyland-Yutani who accompany the science team. This fails miserably leaving the humans vulnerable and stranded on Saturn's moon awaiting the companies support from back on the android-producing ship. The company, however, discovers that the androids make ineffective soldiers against the extraterrestrials: but that they can still be used as obedient agents and are effective for subterfuge against human targets, as well as to survey the scene developing below and control operations from within. One of these prototype android soldiers called Rook seems to gain free-will, and does not participate in the storming of the hive. Also, he will not turn against his surviving human superiors at the company's behest, and will go on to lead the main scientist characters, taking the battle back to the Weyland-Yutani space barge.
A cross between Predator, Alien and Aliens......nuf said.
It should be set in.... SPACE!!!!!! ;D
I would love a setting like in the games, they started it all afterall (togheter with the comics), and honestly, when AvP first was about to come out (before tarilers and stuff) i did think it was based of the games. I did like the story in AvP2 for pc, so something like that as a reboot would make me happy. Go back to corridors and alien planet, not earth
"I've heard 45 pitches on this movie, from terrific writers, and in fact I even hired a writing team that had a good story but wasn't actually able to execute it in a way that was good enough, and on the first draft, Paul nailed it."
-John Davis, producer.
Those words have always haunted me. I can't help but wonder how many great ideas John dismissed out of hand in order to make Anderson's cheaper budget movie. A close adaptation of the comic would have been good. Peter Briggs' script -based on the comic- would have been even better. *sigh*
Here's an idea for AVP3: Take it out of Davis' hands.
Quote from: Shadow on Sep 01, 2011, 12:06:17 PM
I would love a setting like in the games, they started it all afterall (togheter with the comics), and honestly, when AvP first was about to come out (before tarilers and stuff) i did think it was based of the games. I did like the story in AvP2 for pc, so something like that as a reboot would make me happy. Go back to corridors and alien planet, not earth
Earth was a good idea but just not in the modern time I mean really it just sounds stupid.
Reboot. Space. Aliens. Predators. Colonial Marines. Chuck Norris.
You forgot Steven Seagal.
Morgan Freeman? Everyone loves Morgan Freeman!
I don't know if this has been mentioned, but I would like to see the comic 'Eternal' made into the AvP3 movie. And have it be extremely true to the comic.
But Fox would want there to be new things and bring in different ideas.
Ok first off, AVP 1 and 2 sucked big monkey balls. Those movies were totally shit.
Now i always liked the idea of having a avp movie setting in space, in a mixed style of that ridley's alien and the first predator.
Well this was my idea for a movie...
In the future a space shit is transporting a prisoned predator creature. It looks like scientists have finally found a way to capture a young predator hunter and are planning to do tests on the creature and his high tech weapons, which are also on board of the ship. The members of the ship exists out of 4 Elite soldiers and two scientists and also 2 pilots. Due to a suddenly system faillure the ship makes a crashlanding on a planet which used to be habited by colonies from Earth. what the members of the ship don't know is that colony has been wiped out by xenomorphs. Nobody dies and the soldiers go out to investigate what happened. After a while the give the clear code word and the scientists and pilots also come off the ship to have a look. When one of the pilots goes back in the ship to make a distress call, he notices the predator is gone and also his weapons and other stuff. The soldiers than use their tracking device to track down the predator, but instead of reading one movement they track 2. one moving in high speed away from them and one staying put. As they move towards the non-moving point they see a woman cocooned against the wall. As the woman wakes up, they free her asking her what happened. As she tries to give a answer, blood starts to drip out of her mouth and not many moments after that a alien chest burst her. The members paralized by fear, the alien shoots out of her chest and runs for it. As they arguing what the hell just happened, one of the scientists begin talking about a old story about a species so diedly that even their blood is diedly (referring to the alien movies). As the scientist stops talking about it he freezes for a moment and his eyes grow big, meaning he sees something. At the moment the rest turns around, a stick splits the scientist against the wall. The members starts to panic, and the soldiers start shooting around them, not knowing where the predator is. This noise they make starts to attract the attention of more xenomorphs, making the tracking device beep ever second.
From here on the battle for survival begins for the humans (and the predator). As you can see, i'm not a big fan of cooperation of the humans with the predators. It is called avp and not avph(umans). to keep the movie very attractive they only should film the humans and not to much the predator who stalks them. this keeps the exitement of who is gonna strike first, the aliens or the predators. The predator also doesn't hunt for sports anymore because the capture of him angered him and he also is fighting for survival.
Who survives at the end should be a suprise, even for me.
a short summary to keep the long story attractive:
A transport ship with a precious cargo crashlands on a colony planet. What the crew does not know is that the colony has been wiped out by something. To make things worse, their "precious" cargo has found a way to escape and now they will have to deal with enemies who wiped out a whole colony and a enraged stalker who has unfinished business to handle...
tell me what you think about it, and sorry for my english ::)
Ummmm.... I can't believe it....
There are actually people in this world who believe this film is going to happen? O__O
In the unlikely event that this would happen.... and to quote John Dorian
"Let me paint you a picture with my imagination brush"
Memorable characters, Alien, Aliens, Alien 3 and Predator managed to do this
Give the Predators more character, names, dialogue etc, I don't understand why its not been done in the first place
That being said, don't make the Predators anti heroes, they're villains
Set it IN THE FUTURE, colonial Marines etc
Lots of guns, lots of action yet with depth to the story, as I said before pre "Ressurection" managed to do this
A credible director with some balls to tell Fox "it's done my way but don't panic I'll make you (more) rich
All honesty the Predators should be anti-heroes. Not pure villains or heroes unless they are meant to be bad bloods. And by anti-heroes I mean I don't want the Predators attacking the humans for no good reason that wouldn't make any sense based on their honor and code. If/when they attack humans I want them to have a valid purpose. As for AVP3 if it happens I to want it to take place in space and I actually want one of the species to survive as in one of the Predators or something.
No, Predators should just be villains plain and simple. Not saviours like Pussyface was when he raided the condo.
Predator's should be villains but at sometimes, take place from their perspective when they fight Aliens.
The movie should take place in space. Ms. yutani should have a bigger role. Ms. Yutani should die in avp 3. No teenagers. Bring back the alien queen. The alien queen should fight the humans then one or many powerful predators. If avp 3 is great then we might get avp 4. If it's terrible then the filmmakers will remake it.
Quote from: StayFrosty on Oct 29, 2011, 07:06:55 PM
Ummmm.... I can't believe it....
There are actually people in this world who believe this film is going to happen? O__O
It wasn't until 20 years after Predator 2 did we get Predators. P2 had pretty bad reviews when it was released as well. AVP3 will happen, FOX will cash in on it at least one more time. It's only a matter of when.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Dec 20, 2011, 05:48:38 AM
No, Predators should just be villains plain and simple. Not saviours like Pussyface was when he raided the condo.
I'd hope they'd be portrayed in a more complex way than just "the bad guys." I'd think that they'd still have some decency even being the killers that they are. I mean even in the first film Dutch mentions that Anytime didn't kill Anna because she was unarmed, the whole honor thing was already hinted at in the first film and simply expanded upon in the sequels. And who exactly was Pussyface saving when he massacred the gang in the condo?
Teri Weigel.
I'm not suggesting they should just mindlessly slaughter everyone. The honour code should always be present but I'm speaking more in the way it's presented. It just seemed like a setup in P2 when PF shows up at the condo just after the latino drug dealer is killed coz we assume something bad will happen to his woman as well.
What about Eloise from Aliens: Purge? Would she be an interesting character, or a game breaker? I could picture Killer Predators trying to use her for nefarious purposes.
I think the whole concept of "honor" is where we start cheapening the Predator...and even "Klingon-izing it. I always felt it was more that some humans are just simply not worth the Pred's time. He's just focusing on what will give him the biggest thrill [insert Teri Weigel comment here ;) ].
Otherwise you could just imagine the internal monologue of the Predator every time he's on screen: "Come on, 'ol Preddie, ya got to remember to always do the right thing now!"
Let's not forget that the Predator is a sadistic motherf**ker.
There is no Predator Honor, just guide lines. Nothing bad happens if one breaks it. Just think about wrist nuke. It vaporizes everything, no metter if it`s unarmed, pregnant, ill etc.
I just posted the first ten pages of an AVP script that I started in the Fan Fic section, so I don't want to go too into detail here, but my idea would take place both in a space station and on a colonized planet.
I have a lot of ideas for an avp3 story. maybe it's time to finally write a script. When i have the time i'll definitly start writing :D
Lex should come back and helps tart the colinal marines which will lead into ms. Yutani hiring them to go to the predator planet and have aliens get loose and wreak havoc on their world
^ Oh No. No. No. No No. No.
my idea
set in the future obviosly, and W.Y. is already aware of the aliens existance
the planet would be a jungle habbitat aswell as a large W.Y. complex
W.Y. is farming alien eggs from the remains of an predator pyramid they discovered on a distant planet, i dont like the whole pyramid idea but its already been established in the first film. A lone predator, who has been keeping eyes on the pyramid, is emped and captured by W.Y. after hunting humans trying to stop them from taking the eggs. W.Y. performs many experiments, using the face huggers on humans and eventually on the predator. The chest burster is sergically removed from the predator, like in ressurection, so the predator will servive. In quarentine, where the alien are kept their are already drones, and a couple praetorians, and the predalien. While performing tests on the predalien, W.Y. wants to use it as a weapon since it is much stronger than drones, it escapes slaughtering the team tesitng it and works its way to freeing the captive aliens. The preatorians lead as the drones follow slaughtering W.Y.s army and team. The predalien also finds a way to release face huggers, kept in quarentine, which increases the alien population. The aliens overrun the W.Y. complex trying to get back to the queen which is still alive under the surface of the pyramid. Three predators, which would have been alerted earlier in the film of the predator getting capture, arive on the planet. They move from the jungles, where they have already encountered a few drones to the W.Y. complex where they have to find and rescue the captive predator. The predators would die slowly in this film not all but one in one scene. One predator would die before they rescue the captive predator, one die in a huge fight with aliens as the rescue their friend, possibly by the predalien, it would take both the remaining predators to fight and kill the predalien, other drones would be with it. the last off the three predators would die, with the rescued predator being the last left. the captive predator decides he must stop the alien overrun, instead of surviving so he would go and kill the queen. He cant fight the queen and aliens but puts up a good fight but eventually self destructs, kills many but not all the aliens.
This is just rough thoughts of my dream film, im not sure how humans would come into play.
Either a group of survivors during the alien overrun or marines coming to either to rescue/or investigate the rumors of W.Y. experiments on humans.
AVP3 needs to be set in the Alien timeline. It could focus on a Marine boot camp being besiged by Predators dropping off the Alien eggs (see original AVP comic) and all heck breaking out.
I had an idea, it was told from the perspective of a Marine with firsthand experience of the Predators having survived and killed one leaving all it's technology intact which the Company quickly take and the Marine is locked away in prison for knowing too much. It's the Company's plans to dissect the technology and use it for themselves, (they are engaged in a war with a rival company and it has escalated to violence) in the arms race WY are also trying to create supersoldiers with the use of Xenomorph DNA (my knowledge of this kind of process and the terminology isn't the best so feel free to criticise or offer your own ideas guys!) and arm the Supersoldiers with the in development weaponry, cloaking devices etc.
The Predators know of this and turn to an exile, one of their best wrongfully dishonoured for the deaths of un blooded under his command and order him to lead a clan (6-7) Predators to destroy the facility, equipment and eradicate all who stand in his way and regain his honour.
At the same time WY's rival also; through a mole they have in the opposite camp discover that the Company have plans to create supersoldiers and arm them with next gen weaponry that would surely spell their end. They drag the Marine from Prison, he's consumed with revenge both against the Company and the creatures that killed his squad and friends and jumps at the chance to help sabotage WY's plans.
It's linear at best I know, but the films went wrong in so many ways;
Too biased towards the Predators,
Aliens too weak,
Humans uninteresting, just cannon fodder,
set on earth,
Improved fight scenes, no more guys in rubber suits feeling each other up, agile hunters, vs biomechanical nightmares (the aliens in this would be the original, huge, smart, extremely hostile, not the bugs james cameron gave us)
Predators to have more character and possibly dialogue?
Even out the battles, obviously the more experienced Predators can combat Xenomorphs better but still, kill from a distance, use better weapons than their wristblades (if anyone has read Prey, that's what I mean)
The original creature didn't strike me as the fighting type. Yes it could hurt someone but fight? It just didn't act like it.
Yeah I get what you mean, I was leaning towards them being smarter and more cunning, not just mindlessly running into bullets like in other movies
More stealth attacks would be good as long as the Alien doesn't have Paul Anderson's ridiculous 20 foot long tail like in AvP. Ugh, that scene is annoying, when Grid kills Chopper.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Feb 24, 2012, 01:29:25 PM
More stealth attacks would be good as long as the Alien doesn't have Paul Anderson's ridiculous 20 foot long tail like in AvP. Ugh, that scene is annoying, when Grid kills Chopper.
That was redonkulous. :laugh: I actually didn't even notice it the first few times I watched it. Then, something sprang on me...That's a long ass f**kin tail he has.
But, I do agree, more stealthy kills.
It was an awful set piece from start to finish
Quote from: Novak 1334 on Feb 24, 2012, 01:56:17 PM
It was an awful set piece from start to finish
You think that? I think it's the best part of the movie...if you're talking about the fight between Celtic and Grid.
The credits were the best part of the movie :laugh:
It had some good points, seeing a predator and alien go toe to toe for the first time was awesome but I just didn't like the whole wrestling match idea, plus the melting wristblades was annoying.
One good part was when Grid disappeared, then Celtic spins and fires his net, that was really welll done
Yeah, the part you mentioned was well done. And, I liked that the Alien tried to spay acid at Celtic after he cut his tail off. And, well, dude, I really do like that scene. :D
Quote from: darthmaul1 on Jan 09, 2010, 09:37:09 PM
Here is my idea
I had watched AVP-R with the commentary and heard that they tried to get I am assuming Adam Baldwin to reprise his role of Garber. Not sure why he wouldn't do it, maybe it wasn't a big enough part for him. It would be great to get him back to reprise his role from Predator 2 and play Garber, he could be the husband of Ms. Yutani. Also keep Robert Joy as Col. Stevens from AVP-R. Have someone play the role of Charles Bishop Weyland's son, Robert Patrick maybe, so they can show them working together as a joint company.
It should start about a six months to a year after AVP-R, but it will have the company of now Weyland-Yutani Corp. back in Gunnison, Colorado examining the landing pod in the lake that the predator used in AVP-R then transporting it back to a research facility. Then you can show another team in Antarctica getting the frozen Alien Queen out of the water (She was still alive when she was sinking). Once they get her out, they transport her to the same Weyland-Yutani military research facility complete with military personnel, where they took the landing pod, on a remote tropical island somewhere. They thaw her out and chain her up, in order to produce more eggs. They then maybe have military prisoners and use them as hosts for the aliens. Have to have someone comment on the notes made by Lex(AVP) that the aliens appeared in about 10 minutes, now they are taking hrs (in alien it must of been maybe 2 or 3 hours?)and the other creatures (predators) must of been giving the queen some sort of drug to accelerate the process.
There would have to be the inevitable disaster in order to get the Aliens to start running a muck. Then we see a ship that looks like the ship that was found in the first Alien movie and seen in the extended edition of Aliens, this ship is used by the Space Jockies (the big creature in the chair in Alien) and the Predators to transport Alien eggs to other hunting grounds. While they are passing by Earth they do a scan for the heat and conflict they crave, the monitors could show some battles in Iraq and Afghanistan and then they discover that the Aliens are running a muck on the tropical Island with the Weyland-Yutani installation.
So they cloak the ship and land at a remote spot on the island. All 3 Predators leave the ship and the lone Space Jockey is left behind. Some scientists and military personnel at the facility noticed the atmospheric disturbance from the ship and see it land and with the thermal suits (like Predator 2) they do a recon mission to the ship (do not go inside). They place a sophisticated homing device on the outside of the ship and return to the base. While this is going the remaining military personnel, scientists, Aliens and Predators are fighting it out on the island.
The Queen and a drone can end up escaping and on the way to the ship she lays her egg that will house a super face hugger with a Queen and drone embryo(as in alien 3). She then instructs the drone and face hugger that is out of the egg to head to the ship (just as she instructed the drones in Aliens to back away from Ripley). She then turns back to fight the remaining 2 predators.
The Drone and face hugger make it to the ship where they go to the observatory with the big telescope, where the drone knocks out the Space Jockey and then it is impregnated by the face hugger. All the Aliens are killed on the island and 1 Predator remains and after he kills the queen he boards the ship to leave. (There will be NO explosion to kill everything on the island) The predator takes off in the ship and once the ship is on course he then proceeds to the observatory room where he sees the space jockey against the wall passed out. He scans the jockey and sees the queen embryo gestating inside. The same face hugger tries to impregnate the Predator, but the he kills the face hugger. Then the drone emerges and a fight happens between him and the Predator. In the final blows of the fight, the Alien is thrown to the floor and he stabs the Predator through the neck with his tail and with his last breath the predator decapitates the alien and collapses on top of the acid bleeding drone. The acid melts a hole in the deck (Like the hole in Alien.) and the now melting predator falls down the hole with the drone.
You could then go back to the Weyland-Yutani scientist tracking the ship, and then go back to the Space Jockey ship a few hours later when the Space Jockey comes to. He then hops into the big telescope chair and then you can show the Space Jockey convulsing with the Queen trying to get out, he uses the telescope chair to locate a planet to land / crash on, he then resets the computer to land / crash on a planet LV-426(from Alien and Aliens) He then sets the computer to issue the warning signal, after that the Queen bursts out of his chest killing him. The ship crashes and the hull breach occurs and the atmosphere gets in and makes the space jockey look as if it has been fossilized, And then the Queen chestburster goes down the hole made by the drone.
Once the ship comes to a stop the last thing you see is the Queen going through the ship and then the camera pulls back and you see of all the eggs that Kane saw in the first Alien movie complete with the mist and the blue barrier. This is how Weyland-Yutani Corp. knows about the ship and Alien in the first Alien movie, because it has the homing device on it. Plus it has the warning from the space jockey that mother and Ripley deciphered in Alien.
I think this would be a good way to meld the story lines together.
Perhaps Shane Black, who has written a few action films and even starred in the first Predator movie could write and direct it to bring a familiar element into the mix.
Quote from: The Ghoul on Jan 11, 2010, 11:07:52 PM
the space jockey in alien was fossilized and wiki give a appormate number of that happening the thing is it couldn't have fossilized unless it was there for at least millions of years.
I guess my idea would have to be changed because of prometheus coming out.. but i am curious to see IF the Space jockies are alive in prometheus? My guess is they are so the millions of years argument is out the window.
I think we would like to see the original ALIENS VS PREDATOR comic on big screen, i mean the ryushi planet is a new enviroment for aliens and also for predators, i want to see aliens in lighten places and big enviroments, saw them interact with other species and the predators confronting the humans with the future tech
A movie about how the Predators discover the Xenomorph(Alien) species and begin to use humans as hosts. It would be cool if the tittle was not "Alien vs. Predator", but something like "When they came to Earth", "The Beginning" or ''Human bait''.
That's what they did in the flashback of AvP.
now your gona need your humans,aliens and predators for this film :p except for prometheus the other alien films,predator films and avp films all kinda tie in with one another in the timeline.now from the end of avp requiem the predators gun is handed to miss yutani (weylandyutani corp) the same corporation that sent the colonists to lv426 building better worlds.now for avp3 to work youl have to incorporate what world the predators gun is for,now is miss yutani from earth because the colonel said it isnt for our world,the predators world? we need the story to follow on,or some years after.and what happend to isabelle and royce being on the predators moon or hunting planet,there alive but did they get off? maybe the corporation was picking people from earth and sending to the predators planet,miss yutani involved?maybe. avp 3 needs to be set on multiple planets,earth,predator and somewhere else and mostly set in space,length of the film needs to be long and dont hold back,money spent is a worth while gain.now question is 1 predator or a few,lets face it the predator in requiem was 1 well armed and very experienced hunter :)
Quote from: robbie2k13 on Jun 11, 2012, 10:30:31 PM
now your gona need your humans,aliens and predators for this film :p except for prometheus the other alien films,predator films and avp films all kinda tie in with one another in the timeline.now from the end of avp requiem the predators gun is handed to miss yutani (weylandyutani corp) the same corporation that sent the colonists to lv426 building better worlds.now for avp3 to work youl have to incorporate what world the predators gun is for,now is miss yutani from earth because the colonel said it isnt for our world,the predators world? we need the story to follow on,or some years after.and what happend to isabelle and royce being on the predators moon or hunting planet,there alive but did they get off? maybe the corporation was picking people from earth and sending to the predators planet,miss yutani involved?maybe. avp 3 needs to be set on multiple planets,earth,predator and somewhere else and mostly set in space,length of the film needs to be long and dont hold back,money spent is a worth while gain.now question is 1 predator or a few,lets face it the predator in requiem was 1 well armed and very experienced hunter :)
...what.
Quote from: Edvin on Jun 27, 2012, 07:54:59 PM
Quote from: robbie2k13 on Jun 11, 2012, 10:30:31 PM
now your gona need your humans,aliens and predators for this film :p except for prometheus the other alien films,predator films and avp films all kinda tie in with one another in the timeline.now from the end of avp requiem the predators gun is handed to miss yutani (weylandyutani corp) the same corporation that sent the colonists to lv426 building better worlds.now for avp3 to work youl have to incorporate what world the predators gun is for,now is miss yutani from earth because the colonel said it isnt for our world,the predators world? we need the story to follow on,or some years after.and what happend to isabelle and royce being on the predators moon or hunting planet,there alive but did they get off? maybe the corporation was picking people from earth and sending to the predators planet,miss yutani involved?maybe. avp 3 needs to be set on multiple planets,earth,predator and somewhere else and mostly set in space,length of the film needs to be long and dont hold back,money spent is a worth while gain.now question is 1 predator or a few,lets face it the predator in requiem was 1 well armed and very experienced hunter :)
...what.
Seconded. What?
What, what, what???
Quote from: JokerJohn35 on Jun 29, 2012, 03:08:39 PM
What, what, what???
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3PUu88nOcw#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3PUu88nOcw#ws)
Quote from: Novak 1334 on Jun 29, 2012, 05:50:30 PM
Quote from: JokerJohn35 on Jun 29, 2012, 03:08:39 PM
What, what, what???
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3PUu88nOcw#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3PUu88nOcw#ws)
WHA-TWUAAH-TWUUAAHH!?
Quote from: robbie2k13 on Jun 11, 2012, 10:30:31 PM
now your gona need your humans,aliens and predators for this film :p except for prometheus the other alien films,predator films and avp films all kinda tie in with one another in the timeline.now from the end of avp requiem the predators gun is handed to miss yutani (weylandyutani corp) the same corporation that sent the colonists to lv426 building better worlds.now for avp3 to work youl have to incorporate what world the predators gun is for,now is miss yutani from earth because the colonel said it isnt for our world,the predators world? we need the story to follow on,or some years after.and what happend to isabelle and royce being on the predators moon or hunting planet,there alive but did they get off? maybe the corporation was picking people from earth and sending to the predators planet,miss yutani involved?maybe. avp 3 needs to be set on multiple planets,earth,predator and somewhere else and mostly set in space,length of the film needs to be long and dont hold back,money spent is a worth while gain.now question is 1 predator or a few,lets face it the predator in requiem was 1 well armed and very experienced hunter :)
You utterly lost me at "multiple planets".
I would like to see some super preds breeding their own batch of xenos, then letting 'em loose on a remote country somewhere on earth, sometime in the future. These xenos have been tortured, experimented on, and locked in cages for many years and lost their "protect hive, protect queen, ensure survival of their species" mindset and have become completely feral. But keep the number of xenos low, like 5 xenos in the entire movie just to reinforce how deadlier they have become. And each xeno looks different because they are all from different hosts from throughout the galaxy.
The number of preds needs to be low too, like 1 or 2. These preds are really powerful and smart, and use alot more powerful weapons in their battle with the savage xenos.
And also there is a team of soldiers in this areas too. These guys are like special colonial marine commandos, and have a bunch of crazy weapons but they're pretty useless because the team is only in the movie to get torn apart by crazy xenos and super preds.
That's more or the less first AvP but with a bit more violence, from the sounds of it.
I just want a reboot, but change some stuff up.
I want the colonial marines to have technology so advanced that it would blow our minds away, since they're in the future. The ones depicted in the Alien movies were not that advanced. I bet modern engineers could build just about everything that appeared in those movies - especially the weapons. Imagine how the American Civil War era people would've felt if they watched WWII. And yet the Predators and Aliens would still be a threat. The Predators' technology would advance like the humans except the Predators have a great head start. And there'd be stronger Alien species not seen before in the earlier movies.
Or have WWII era soldiers, women partisans and women nurses get abducted into a spacecraft to outer space and then dropped off at a Predator training ground where the Predators fight against the Aliens.
They wouldn't last. That type of weaponry would be ineffective especially against Aliens.
They could hide. They'd be hard to find if only 3-4 people get sent there.
Or an entire battalion could be sent. Large numbers of soldiers were involved in WWII. The generals would just consider that battalion as "missing in action". We could have a movie that lasts more than an hour with this scenario.
just reboot it, do an adaptation of the original avp comic.
The first one is already a loose adaptation of that comic, though. And the first film was enjoyable, but I'd rather see something different.
Quote from: Edvin on Jul 23, 2012, 01:54:37 PM
just reboot it, do an adaptation of the original avp comic.
A script was written in the same vein by Peter Briggs but ultimately was deemed to expensive to produce.
I just want to see something with a decent PredAlien. Oh and a good story would be welcome too.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jul 23, 2012, 06:10:21 PM
The first one is already a loose adaptation of that comic, though. And the first film was enjoyable, but I'd rather see something different.
then we are talking EXTREMELY loose.
I want to see the Predators have more character and some dialogue and the Xeno's have to be portrayed as the perfect organism better
Quotethe Xeno's have to be portrayed as the perfect organism better
ok, how?
I mean they dont put up much of a fight in the movies (apart from Grid) in the comics they are so much scarier
well thats the deal, aliens are weaker than predators, but stronger in numbers.
Eh, debatable. Personally, I feel like an Alien would easily take a Predator in a one on one fight, but the Pred gains the upper hand when given his weapons.
Environment would probably play an important role as well.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jul 30, 2012, 12:26:24 AM
Eh, debatable. Personally, I feel like an Alien would easily take a Predator in a one on one fight, but the Pred gains the upper hand when given his weapons.
Environment would probably play an important role as well.
well a pred having his weapons is kinda' part of the deal ;)
Quote from: Edvin on Jul 31, 2012, 01:08:13 AM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jul 30, 2012, 12:26:24 AM
Eh, debatable. Personally, I feel like an Alien would easily take a Predator in a one on one fight, but the Pred gains the upper hand when given his weapons.
Environment would probably play an important role as well.
well a pred having his weapons is kinda' part of the deal ;)
Not necessarily, Jungle Hunter armed with just his wristblade vs John Hurt's Alien would be so interesting!!!
Quote from: Edvin on Jul 31, 2012, 01:08:13 AM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jul 30, 2012, 12:26:24 AM
Eh, debatable. Personally, I feel like an Alien would easily take a Predator in a one on one fight, but the Pred gains the upper hand when given his weapons.
Environment would probably play an important role as well.
well a pred having his weapons is kinda' part of the deal ;)
Not necessarily. Plasma Caster can fail for whatever reason (Alien sabatoge, perhaps? They did cut the power in
Aliens after all), and then the Aliens sneak around and stalk the Predators to gain an upper hand. Even if the predator had his wristblades, the Alien still has a great chance of coming out on top.
It should be set..... in space 8)
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jul 31, 2012, 02:48:05 AM
Quote from: Edvin on Jul 31, 2012, 01:08:13 AM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jul 30, 2012, 12:26:24 AM
Eh, debatable. Personally, I feel like an Alien would easily take a Predator in a one on one fight, but the Pred gains the upper hand when given his weapons.
Environment would probably play an important role as well.
well a pred having his weapons is kinda' part of the deal ;)
Not necessarily. Plasma Caster can fail for whatever reason (Alien sabatoge, perhaps? They did cut the power in Aliens after all), and then the Aliens sneak around and stalk the Predators to gain an upper hand. Even if the predator had his wristblades, the Alien still has a great chance of coming out on top.
true maybe there power pack runs out of power or the aliens acid blood burns it making it malfuction :-\
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jul 30, 2012, 12:26:24 AM
Eh, debatable. Personally, I feel like an Alien would easily take a Predator in a one on one fight, but the Pred gains the upper hand when given his weapons.
Environment would probably play an important role as well.
An Alien, if it gets its hands on a Predator should be able to do some serious damage with those claws. The only thing that would save a Pred's life in that case, as seen in AvP when Grid launched himself at Celtic, is a Pred's strength, holding the Alien back.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jul 31, 2012, 02:48:05 AM
Quote from: Edvin on Jul 31, 2012, 01:08:13 AM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jul 30, 2012, 12:26:24 AM
Eh, debatable. Personally, I feel like an Alien would easily take a Predator in a one on one fight, but the Pred gains the upper hand when given his weapons.
Environment would probably play an important role as well.
well a pred having his weapons is kinda' part of the deal ;)
Not necessarily. Plasma Caster can fail for whatever reason (Alien sabatoge, perhaps? They did cut the power in Aliens after all), and then the Aliens sneak around and stalk the Predators to gain an upper hand. Even if the predator had his wristblades, the Alien still has a great chance of coming out on top.
Wolf showed that plasmacasters can be in a way repaired and some Predators have alien tracking to counter stealth attacks. I am also assuming Wolf's equipment was anti acid as his weapons and armor never burned, which makes sense as they are an advanced race. Properly equipped, a pred annihilates a xeno, whereas with no equipment, they get crushed instead.
It only makes sense that the acid didn't affect him if you ignore the fact that the Straus. Bros. blamed the low budget for not being able to film scenes where the acid would indeed have f**ked up Wolf, so much so, and anyone who knows can correct me if I'm wrong, that Wolf was in fact going to lose an arm, or something over the acid during the final scenes.
I remember hearing something like that.
Thing is it didn't need all that. A hissing sound effect would be superior to what we got which was Chet barfing acid everywhere with no ill effects.
They spent all the money on Aliens dissolving with blue anti-acid. Lame.
Not to mention they got extra budget later for the Predator planet scene...
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jul 16, 2012, 09:29:19 PM
They wouldn't last. That type of weaponry would be ineffective especially against Aliens.
If you are talking about WWII weaponry , i 'm sorry to say their calibers were far FAR more deadlier than what we have today
Mauser 98K (8x57)
Garand M1 (30-06)
Lee Enfielf n°4 MK1 (.303 british)
These caliber are nasty bastards under steroids next to our modern 5.56 , 308win or 7.62x39 M43
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Aug 03, 2012, 10:21:21 AM
Not to mention they got extra budget later for the Predator planet scene...
Oh, shit. True, forgot about that.
They said they got that scene out of the money they didn't spend on the rest of the movie.
Yeah, been some time since I read that.
Still the same outcome. :P
I would prefer that another AVP film would never see the light of day unless we get a talented director, but if there were to be another I would like to see a futuristic setting. I would like to see more Predator equipment to further distinguish their "hi-tech" weaponry from futuristic humans. Some barren, yet colonized planet would make a great place for this type of movie. The planet could be under threat of Xenomorph invasion and the Predators could be thinking it as a glorious hunting ground. The rest falls into place from there. Just don't forget a Queen fight.
I had a bit of a crazy idea after thinking about how an AVP movie could be done well and wanted to share it with the good folks here. Considering this is about ideas on making a third AVP film I guessed this was the best place to put it.
So the idea is this: go The Avengers route. What I mean by that is make a few films that establish new characters who will face Aliens and Predators in their own standalone films culminating in a crossover where the characters meet and face both creatures in one film. Considering how The Avengers is really the only crossover film to be successful it'd make sense to take that formula and apply it to the Alien and Predator movies.
The Avengers is a crossover of of those characters, not a crossover that happens to have them in it. No-one's going into an AvP movie because they're really interested in seeing a group of humans teaming up to fight; they're going to see Aliens and Predators fight.
That's the main reason why the last AVP films failed so badly. There wasn't enough attention devoted to making the human characters likable or memorable for viewers to even care when they were killed. People like Aliens because it had memorable characters AND had tons of aliens. People like Predator because it had Arnold and a bunch of badass soldiers fighting the totally awesome predator. If you take out the human element there's no plot, and it becomes something less than an Alien or Predator film.
If you set up an AVP film with likable characters trapped between hordes of aliens and predators you get not only an interesting plot but also the oh-so desired slugfest between alien and predator the fanboys drool for.
Sure -- but you don't need to make entirely separate films for your protagonists before bringing them together. That's not what made The Avengers work. You can watch The Avengers without having seen any of the previous films and still understand what's going on, still know who's who, etc. Helps to see the others, but not vital, because it's a well-written film. That's what AvP needs. Someone who understands how to put together a good story, not someone stringing together action set-pieces.
Quote from: ShadowPred on Aug 05, 2012, 07:20:12 AM
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Aug 03, 2012, 10:21:21 AM
Not to mention they got extra budget later for the Predator planet scene...
Oh, shit. True, forgot about that.
True, they did same the money for that Predator planet scene but did it because they wanted a better opening for him. Originally, it was just the Predator popping up out of nowhere and showing up.
Quote from: SiL on Dec 01, 2012, 10:17:25 PM
Sure -- but you don't need to make entirely separate films for your protagonists before bringing them together. That's not what made The Avengers work. You can watch The Avengers without having seen any of the previous films and still understand what's going on, still know who's who, etc. Helps to see the others, but not vital, because it's a well-written film. That's what AvP needs. Someone who understands how to put together a good story, not someone stringing together action set-pieces.
You're absolutely right. No one really needs to watch the other movies to get The Avengers. Mainly, the reason I suggest doing setup movies is to simply add more depth and inter-connectivity between the two film franchises that aren't just winks to past films or shoehorned homages and perhaps build upon the universe these two creatures exist in. If there was one thing I enjoyed about the setup to the Avengers was all the signs of just how connected everything was. It really fleshed out the Marvel Cinematic Universe really well.
QuoteThat's the main reason why the last AVP films failed so badly.
No the main reason the first film failed was what Sil alluded to - people want to see Aliens and Predators fight. The first film had about 6 or 7 minutes of that in total.
Similarly in the second flick, again people wanted to see them fight - but we mostly couldn't.
And what we could see was pretty lame.
There's no reason we can't have kick-ass crossover action scenes and a well-told story with an engaging plot outside of no-one talented enough -- or at the least, interested enough -- being hired. It's always within the realm of possibility; it just requires desire and effort, two things hitherto sorely lacking.
AVP films could be better.
We do not need a fight between them ; as SM had said.
We need new situations.Others enviroments...new planets .. a new starship invasion .. something like that.
I don't know if I'm traveling about this idea ... but I'm almost sure that there are situations and places that will make a difference .
We have to forget a little ..the planet Earth. And do something near what star trek did in their films.
To do something next to the film series...but with aliens and predators making part. And if it was possible; to divide the story into two parts. Creating a thriller about which one would be the first to appear in the context of the plot.
Quote from: SiL on Dec 02, 2012, 11:33:47 AM
And what we could see was pretty lame.
There's no reason we can't have kick-ass crossover action scenes and a well-told story with an engaging plot outside of no-one talented enough -- or at the least, interested enough -- being hired. It's always within the realm of possibility; it just requires desire and effort, two things hitherto sorely lacking.
In your estimation, what do you think prevents those qualities from coming together for an AvP film? SM I'd like your input on this as well.
QuoteWe do not need a fight between them ; as SM had said.
So what are they going to do? Play Yahtzee?
No, billiards. See:
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ftheinspirationroom.com%2Fdaily%2Fprint%2F2009%2F2%2Faliens_vs_predator_pool.jpg&hash=d4539d259e125f79358ccf50e936dec35b7c97e4)
Quote from: SM on Dec 03, 2012, 04:43:24 AM
QuoteWe do not need a fight between them ; as SM had said.
So what are they going to do? Play Yahtzee?
Well ..
if the intention is to put them fighting each other
as has been done in recent films...Then to be honest...
Better not have more films about the series!
But from what I understand about your opinion, you did not like it.
Me too.
I don't want to see a bunch of college students battling aliens and predators, and that atmosphere of inner city like it was before.
I do not want to see a woman, again, pretending to be Ripley, again ... and so on ...
I want the best for the franchise SM.
Or they should stop to insist on trivializing these creatures that are considered by fans ; the coolest aliens of all.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Dec 03, 2012, 04:42:13 AM
In your estimation, what do you think prevents those qualities from coming together for an AvP film? SM I'd like your input on this as well.
Not realising the full potential of what you can do with these two creatures playing off against each other and not knowing what film you're trying to make, just based on the last two movies. Both films resorted to uninspired monster wrestling matches we've seen dozens of times in Godzilla movies and AvPR didn't know that being infantile with its violence is not the same as being gritty and hardcore.
The AvP flicks occassionally had a good idea that never seemed fully realised. I thought the laser traps in AvP:Poo were insteresting for instance. It actually made sense of what the Predator was trying to do ie. contain an outbreak. But instead of developing that idea more (like someone throwing one at an Alien or something), we get a Predator bursting through the street.
For a film like this use Aliens as a template. It's non-stop action feast for when Ripley and Newt get attacked by the huggers for around 40 minutes. You need the protagonists to be cut off at every turn, and then find a way to get out of their predicament only to be met be a worse predicament. Similarly the battle between the titular creatures need to be attack and counter attack which play to their respective strengths while trying to exploit the others weaknesses. AvP had stuff like this like when the Alien is attacking the Predator with its tail, so the Predator cuts the tip off, disarming that weapon - or so you'd think - until it flings acid from the stump.
And all this bullshit about character development - it's not vital. If you can have the main character, or lead pair, have some development that'll do. That was all we got with Aliens. No one but Ripley had any development. Everyone else was a stereotype - but they were memorable stereotypes, and people gave a shit when they died. Even dude like Apone or Drake who are barely in a quarter of the film.
The AvP flicks didn't even have their leads have any sort of arc.
Exactly. We don't need deep characters, we just need people we can give a shit about, even if they are paper-thin cliches. Character arcs aren't that complicated to work into a plot, least of all one where the protagonist is caught in a horrifying life-or-death struggle; if anything that can make your job easier.
For the creature action we need quality over quantity, but without going to AvP's extreme of 10 minutes of creature action in an 85 minute film. If you played most of the movie with the creatures stalking each other in a deadly game of interspecies cat-and-mouse you could get away with them not slapping each other upside the head until the climax, at which point you go full Aliens with half and hour of almost nonstop action that steadily cranks up the tension as you go.
But naw, more wrestling matches every ten minutes. Worked for AvPR.
Well it sounds like you two have the right idea, no doubt about it. Do you think the setting is overtly important as well, i.e. present vs. future?
They tried in the first movie.We could respect ,a little, what they did in the first one.
The second was a total disaster.
No matter how small what we can do.We have to look to do well.
I agree the AVP series don't need to be profound or have some great names , great actors...This is a movie about a game...nothing beyond that.The aliens and the predators they are the star players!
But one thing we must think and have sure.
You can't laugh at the movies when they come into the action. And that's what happened in the first and second film.
And also can't be like an RPG adventure . Initiative rolls to see who goes first.
The situations of encounters between the creatures are always the same cliché.This could be improved in the films.
In the future , of cause , and please let's not have filmed in Vancouver. both the Predators and Aleins love hot climates ,
I love the notion of the earth of the future with the green house effect has finally taken its toll , most of humanity
have left to do what ever , but the Predators love it , perfect hunting ground , Alens perfect breeding ground
and the humans , we all know the rest ,
Please if they do , film a third one , TCFox have to hire a top of the line director ......
Quote from: Originalsin on Jun 06, 2007, 08:25:09 PM
I would want something new and fresh. Something with a minimal connection to any Alien, Predator or AVP movie. They should not have the Weyland Yutani corp. involved. I honestly think they need to look into Stephen Perry's writtings. The way he tells every persons point of view makes for charactors that you can honestly relate to. When you have people you can relate to then you feel more of what they are going through. If you have not read Aliens Vs Predator : PREY then you really need to. I highly recomend it. ;D
I agree with your statement 210% AVP:Prey should have been the first AVP movie period. As it is it looks like they tried to take elements from the novel and incorporate them into AVP. Not cool and another one of the reasons I like AVP:R better. The novel was flawless storywise, and they could have filmed it all in locations in the US, nice and close to home, which would have dropped costs alot! Arizona being an ideal place to shoot because its supposed to be a near desert planet that the novel takes place on. Alot like the movie Tremors, same setting except more futuristic.
I just thought of something. We don't see the gateway station in alien ressurection. So it would be perfect to fit a story in there. Ghe aliens are a threat to Earth. Predators wanna hunt them. Weyland Yutani breed the xenos secretly on the gateway station to amass an army of them to wipe out the predators on there homeworld. There battles lead to the destruction of the station. What do you guys think of it?
way to big. Most people tend to come up with a war story when it comes to avp. Make it a horror. Keep the creatures in the dark for most of the movie with a lot of character development and tension. More or less like the first alien. Then wrap it up in a good conclusion near the end of the film.
Quote from: Snowdog on Dec 25, 2012, 12:16:39 PM
way to big. Most people tend to come up with a war story when it comes to avp. Make it a horror. Keep the creatures in the dark for most of the movie with a lot of character development and tension. More or less like the first alien. Then wrap it up in a good conclusion near the end of the film.
I was going for the ressurection approach. Less aliens and more wide spread panic (have at most twenty aliens and maybe three predators) have maybe a tratior, no queen, have eggmorphing (love the idea of it. It is pure alien) and a ending that connects into the films.
Quote from: Terx2 on Dec 25, 2012, 12:25:48 PM
Quote from: Snowdog on Dec 25, 2012, 12:16:39 PM
way to big. Most people tend to come up with a war story when it comes to avp. Make it a horror. Keep the creatures in the dark for most of the movie with a lot of character development and tension. More or less like the first alien. Then wrap it up in a good conclusion near the end of the film.
I was going for the ressurection approach. Less aliens and more wide spread panic (have at most twenty aliens and maybe three predators) have maybe a tratior, no queen, have eggmorphing (love the idea of it. It is pure alien) and a ending that connects into the films.
sorry i misunderstood you then. That sounds pretty interesting actually ^^
I've got an idea. Mine is a total reboot. Nothing to do with AVP or AVPR.
My idea is set on a colonized planet near a jungle. Where the Predators drop eggs on the planet in pods. Little do they know their captured Queen smuggled Queen egg. Just like the first comic. The eggs impregnate all who go to investigate in the jungle. So Marines are called in to investigate it. But they are interrupted by private company military commandos, Weyland-Yutani, maybe a different company entirely. They have come to get a hold of the Predators' technology.
They work together and end up running into the Aliens and the Predators. During the fight, the Company leader (originally Ms. Yutani) steals one of the Predator's computers. So now the Predators want it back.
So the Marines are caught in the crossfire of the Aliens and the Predators and have to escape.
So it's almost like the first comic but with Marines and a corrupt company.
Sounds a bit like Aliens with an extra corporation, IMO.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Dec 31, 2012, 03:31:13 AM
Sounds a bit like Aliens with an extra corporation, IMO.
You forgot about the predators.
Hence why I said "a bit".
AvP 2010 makes for a good sequel. I like to watch the walkthroughs on youtube and pretend it's a movie. 8)
Wouldn't that make the movie hard to follow, three different stories?
An actual movie would probably just show the marine's side of the story. The stories themselves shouldn't be hard to follow, but distinguishing the lead predator and alien from the other predators and aliens would probably be too difficult for the average viewer. And following the story from the monster's point of view would lose a lot of tension.
I'd attach it to Predators, since they drop off different species of game on a hunting planet it's just a matter of time until one of them is a Xenomorph and trouble starts.
AVP3 should be a "reboot" of sorts and ignore the first film and the Strause bros monstrosity....
It should also tie in with Prometheus as part of a new "canon".
....i wouldnt mind a soft rewrite of SIL's AVP script... with a different strain of Aliens... and added mythology on how the Predators appropriated Engineer weaponry (i.e. the Aliens).
I'd also go about changing the "landscape" of the planet from a forest to something a bit stranger and alien.
Not tie in with Prometheus, no way. Prometheus has enough continuity issues as it stands. It doesn't need the mess that comes with AvP.
There's enough "space" in the continuity to do something while keeping some ties with Prometheus...
There's no need for ties with Prometheus. That just get's in the way of the main point of the damn thing.
THIS:
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It's one of the reasons I rather liked the original AVP comic. It didn't bring WY or any of that into it. It had it's own corporation, and it's own characters, and relationships. It didn't have to harvest and pillage the entire canon and try to stitch it all together. That kind of thing is ultimately meaningless bollocks anyway.
They need to add the marines and move away from the scientist, civilian characters etc... this is why at least imo both movies failed since they were action movies and not thriller like the first Alien or in a way Predator 2.
Quote from: Blacklabel on Feb 19, 2013, 05:58:05 AM
There's enough "space" in the continuity to do something while keeping some ties with Prometheus...
Prometheus it seems is still figuring out if it even ties to Alien to begin with. It doesn't need the extra mess that the AvP films create as we have enough continuity issues as it is.
No matter what fox or whatnot comes up with, I want to see something new. Nothing based on comics, or full of cameos... just some mind boggling, disturbing new idea, that makes me shiver. Which no media connected to avp has done yet.
You're asking for a blooming miracle.
Does anyone want to see a avp film without marines?
Quote from: Terx2 on Feb 24, 2013, 01:10:33 AM
Does anyone want to see a avp film without marines?
Yes, Hollywood... it's cheaper with few civilians and some love story/drama.
I'm sure they could do the marines very easily. There are so many prop replicas and fans out there with the gear, that even if they wanted to do the cheap route they could bring the marines back. I mean, even a TV show made for quite a bit of money (Enterprise) rented fan sets to do a nice throwback episode, and it looked pretty good.
Though, I have no problem seeing the CM's return. They can't just be there to fill out the guys with machine guns quota. They have to be entertaining, endearing characters, and represent the human faction well in the battle of the film. Anything else is a waste of material. Why bother if we don't do anything more than just having marines there?
Quote from: SDR on Feb 22, 2013, 01:54:37 AM
They need to add the marines and move away from the scientist, civilian characters etc... this is why at least imo both movies failed since they were action movies and not thriller like the first Alien or in a way Predator 2.
That doesn't really make any sense. Having "marines" with big ass machine guns implies more action. Having unarmed civilians getting caught in between the two titular characters (and if it had gone this way) having to adapt and come up with ways of defending themselves or evading the blood path, would be in some respect more interesting.
Take a movie like Die Hard, for example. One of the great elements of that movie is you can actually pretty much count all of John McClanes bullets. It becomes an additional layer of tension to the action sequences. Dwindling resources. Having an AVP movie set on a planet where you'd have the future version of cops, for example, could be an interesting twist. See how law enforcement in the future might evolve, and how they might react when faced with crazy crap.
There's lots of ideas, both cliche and out there. Honestly though I don't think Hollywood will touch this franchise again for a long time, if ever. It would take a really strong talent to step up and have a great idea for the story.
I still fondly remember Robodan's AVP trailer. That pretty much embodied the concept for an AVP movie before Anderson made his.
Quote from: SDR on Feb 24, 2013, 09:46:45 AM
Quote from: Terx2 on Feb 24, 2013, 01:10:33 AM
Does anyone want to see a avp film without marines?
Yes, Hollywood... it's cheaper with few civilians and some love story/drama.
I meant on the lines of Alien or Alien 3. Not like AVPR with they're bad teen romance. Less can equal more.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Feb 24, 2013, 12:23:27 AM
You're asking for a blooming miracle.
Yea, but as I see a miracle is needed to make an avp that's somehow good (=successful and acceptable+enjoyable for the audience)
Quote from: OpenMaw on Feb 24, 2013, 11:42:13 AM
I'm sure they could do the marines very easily. There are so many prop replicas and fans out there with the gear, that even if they wanted to do the cheap route they could bring the marines back. I mean, even a TV show made for quite a bit of money (Enterprise) rented fan sets to do a nice throwback episode, and it looked pretty good.
Though, I have no problem seeing the CM's return. They can't just be there to fill out the guys with machine guns quota. They have to be entertaining, endearing characters, and represent the human faction well in the battle of the film. Anything else is a waste of material. Why bother if we don't do anything more than just having marines there?
Quote from: SDR on Feb 22, 2013, 01:54:37 AM
They need to add the marines and move away from the scientist, civilian characters etc... this is why at least imo both movies failed since they were action movies and not thriller like the first Alien or in a way Predator 2.
That doesn't really make any sense. Having "marines" with big ass machine guns implies more action. Having unarmed civilians getting caught in between the two titular characters (and if it had gone this way) having to adapt and come up with ways of defending themselves or evading the blood path, would be in some respect more interesting.
Take a movie like Die Hard, for example. One of the great elements of that movie is you can actually pretty much count all of John McClanes bullets. It becomes an additional layer of tension to the action sequences. Dwindling resources. Having an AVP movie set on a planet where you'd have the future version of cops, for example, could be an interesting twist. See how law enforcement in the future might evolve, and how they might react when faced with crazy crap.
There's lots of ideas, both cliche and out there. Honestly though I don't think Hollywood will touch this franchise again for a long time, if ever. It would take a really strong talent to step up and have a great idea for the story.
I still fondly remember Robodan's AVP trailer. That pretty much embodied the concept for an AVP movie before Anderson made his.
I understand what you're saying but take for example the Alien, Predator and AVP movies , when the human side wasn't soldiers they were just running, trying to escape from the enemy, something like that can work in a thriller imo but not in action. Both movies "Aliens" and "Predator 1" had the human side scared trying to escape but when the alien attack they stand and fight and they were a descent enemy, also don't get me wrong because i don't wotn something like "Battle of LA" but something more like "Dog Soldiers" etc.
As for John McClane and future cops theme i definitely agree with you, this probably would work great.
There is never going be a AvP 3....if we ever get another movie it will be a reboot.
Quote from: chrisr232007 on Feb 25, 2013, 03:42:40 AM
There is never going be a AvP 3....if we ever get another movie it will be a reboot.
Don't be so sure, I think that a AVP movie tied into the Predators movie could be possible.
It depends on how Fox wants to continue to treat the franchise. If they ever give it the big-budget-Hollywood-summer-event-movie-blockbuster treatment the concept deserves, it will surely be a reboot. If they just want to squeeze out a profit through low budget and home video sales, they'll just keep making sequels. The latter is more likely. :-\
But...big-budget-Hollywood-summer-event-movie-blockbusters do squeeze out a profit and provide home video sales. Some of them are even done for relatively low budgets.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 25, 2013, 10:12:15 PM
But...big-budget-Hollywood-summer-event-movie-blockbusters do squeeze out a profit and provide home video sales. Some of them are even done for relatively low budgets.
You're not thinking about this like a business. Diminishing returns will usually result in diminishing budgets. Each film has gotten a smaller budget each time out the gate. Higher budget is a higher risk. If they make a 15 million direct-to-dvd release and have it air on Sci Fi, they can make back the money fairly easy. If they spend 60-70 million, go theatrical release, and it gets panned by critics and suffers from any number of other problems they get burned when they don't see the money back. Even if they see the returns eventually via DVD sales, it doesn't bode well for future projects to get a higher budget. This is the trend we have seen with the films up to this point. The budgets have gotten smaller from their peaking point.
Just make it a generic AVP comic/video game story with some gung ho colonial marines on some jungle colony where they find a derelict Predator spaceship with eggs on it. They investigate the spaceship, where a a few of them get facehugged, and as the rest of the crew starts scavanging the ship while waiting for it to be towed back to base, the ship is accidentally activated and a distress signal is sent.
The humans deal with the newly found technology and their facehugged compadres, and of course there is an evil W-Y employee there to screw things up. Eventually the Alien infestation starts and shortly after that the Predators arrive to join the fun.
As a "twist" one of the Predators is extra arrogant and full of himself and brings total chaos - the Aliens get the upper hand. In the meantime the skeezy W-Y dude and a bunch of opportunistic marines get the great idea to use the chaos to their advantage to acquire some tasty ET technology and specimens to bring home etc. ...Unfortunately the last surviving Predator get in their way and kills all but the W-Y guy, who believes he is special and tries to communicate and bargain with the Predator (who earlier in the film duels and kills the arrogant douche Predator who screwed things up), all ending in a hilarious scene where the Predator snuffs the bastard right after he thinks ha has outsmarted and made a deal with the Predator. The Predator then heads to the Predator Clan Carrier ship, which uncloaks... All is well for mister sole survivor, but then, all of a sudden, he starts convulsing and a slimy little pred-alien chestburster spurts over the ship's controls. The Predator slumps over the control panels and the ship changes direction and crashes into the planet, killing every remaining human and alien on the battleground below in a gigantic blast. THE END
I know, pretty lame. But hey, it's AVP!
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Feb 26, 2013, 07:26:34 PM
I know, pretty lame. But hey, it's AVP!
That's hurtful man.
Quote from: Dusk on Jun 06, 2007, 08:29:16 PM
Definitely a future setting with Colonial Marines.
This.
The Marine aspect of the movie would have to be about surviving and escaping. I wouldn't want to see anything where the humans partner up with the predators, that's just stupid. If there's any interaction between humans and predators and its not fighting or being killed it should be that show of respect, simmilar to the elder and Harrigan at the end of Predator 2. No other interaction necessary
How about this for a movie concept...
Colonial Marines in some kind of space patrol type spaceship find a seemingly lifeless ship of unknown origins... they board it and there turns out to be aliens on board that have taken over. New action draws attention of predators that come along to hunt everything.
Insert plot complications and twists etc... Just something I thought up then
I'm kind of tired of the "surviving and escaping from the humans' perspective" formula. Don't we already have enough movies of that? IMO horror just isn't very sustainable.
Horror is what makes the AvP idea work. Alien at its core has always been about horror. Predator is more action-oriented but the first film has great suspenseful moments too.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Mar 17, 2013, 09:39:42 PM
Horror is what makes the AvP idea work. Alien at its core has always been about horror. Predator is more action-oriented but the first film has great suspenseful moments too.
Predator does have a tad bit of horror. The best way of making it is combining the two. You need guns and weapons to kill the alien but if your armed he predator will consider you game worthy and attack you. But if your unarmed the predator will ignore you but makes you easy picking for the aliens. Kinda a double edged sword. Your doomed either way. This is what I'd like to see. Also the predator human team up can work just depending on how its done. Eg the predators bargaining with the humans to get something in return sparing them or something along those lines.
Quote from: zasz on Mar 17, 2013, 03:07:24 PM
I'm kind of tired of the "surviving and escaping from the humans' perspective" formula. Don't we already have enough movies of that? IMO horror just isn't very sustainable.
What about a last stand to reclaim they're territory? A moon base or spacestation. No escape possible.
They need to make an AvP with an alien as the "Wolf Predator" as in, there needs to be an alien that shows more intelligence and fighting skills than the others that can give the predators a hard time. Kind of like the net head from AvP but more unique. Also, the movie can't be shot in a place like a city or somewhere with a lot of people, it needs to be on an unknown planet or some sort of isolated base camp with only a handful of humans. I think this setting can help bring a really interesting AvP movie.
Quote from: Grid_Life on Mar 21, 2013, 12:39:11 AM
They need to make an AvP with an alien as the "Wolf Predator" as in, there needs to be an alien that shows more intelligence and fighting skills than the others that can give the predators a hard time. Kind of like the net head from AvP but more unique.
I remember reading a while ago that the aliens had a collective consciousness which is why they co-ordinate their attacks so well... and makes it hard for there to be any unique aliens besides the queen... unless we have the alien ranks like predaliens and praetorians etc... actually I'd like to see a Praetorian in a film. Has it ever been confirmed or denied that aliens operate with a hive mind type deal?
Quote from: Grid_Life on Mar 21, 2013, 12:39:11 AMAlso, the movie can't be shot in a place like a city or somewhere with a lot of people, it needs to be on an unknown planet or some sort of isolated base camp with only a handful of humans. I think this setting can help bring a really interesting AvP movie.
I'm working on a piece of fan fiction in my spare time as a hobby, It's pretty much that setting. :) I'll post it on this forum when it's completed.
Quote from: Terx2 on Mar 18, 2013, 05:41:20 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Mar 17, 2013, 09:39:42 PM
Horror is what makes the AvP idea work. Alien at its core has always been about horror. Predator is more action-oriented but the first film has great suspenseful moments too.
Predator does have a tad bit of horror. The best way of making it is combining the two. You need guns and weapons to kill the alien but if your armed he predator will consider you game worthy and attack you. But if your unarmed the predator will ignore you but makes you easy picking for the aliens. Kinda a double edged sword. Your doomed either way. This is what I'd like to see. Also the predator human team up can work just depending on how its done. Eg the predators bargaining with the humans to get something in return sparing them or something along those lines.
The team up needs to be avoided entirely IMO. It doesn't make any sense to have the three sides warring if they're going to be fighting.
Simple idea
Take AvP and start again.
It has worked for spiderman, hulk, etc so it should be fine for AvP!
Bigger budget, better director, better script - done
Here's what I'd like to see, from another thread...
I'd like to see a reboot taking place in the future, but change the Alien from the typical cannon-fodder to the more simplified "Alien". Instead of the typical horse-and-pony-show where the Predator seeds a planet with Xenos to hunt, have the existence of a Xenomorph be either a complete surprise to the Predator (maybe an undiscovered or lost strain), or such an amazingly rare occurrence that the Predator is immediately drawn to hunting it.
One thing Prometheus did do (or may have done), is allow the rules of the xenomorph to be a bit more fluid. So perhaps we could go back to egg-morphing or something similar. Rather than acting like the Cameron Aliens, we could have something more like the Scott Alien...strange, unknowable, other-worldly...
Imagine one or two Predators against one, solitary ultimate organism. The Preds could be hunting a group of humans for a good part of the movie before they realize the existence of the Alien, and begin to corral the humans to use as bait, while subsequently being hunted themselves.
Hell, maybe we could see an origin for that black goo...have it derived from the original idea for Alien, where there was a destroyed civilization, with massive pyramids of cyclopean blocks, and the Space Jockeys were warning ships away. The goo could have been derived from a catalyst in the egg-morphing process and corrupted by the Engineers (if they wanted to tie those two franchises together).
If we're going to do it, let's do it full-on. No Colorado towns or hidden temples in present-day Antarctica.
I liked your idea up until you mentioned the black goo. AvP has enough continuity issues without mixing up Prometheus into it.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Mar 22, 2013, 02:36:47 AM
I liked your idea up until you mentioned the black goo. AvP has enough continuity issues without mixing up Prometheus into it.
Yeah, I'm not a big fan of that X-Files rip-off, but if they
have to have it, at least they could think of some way to not screw it up.
I'm mainly more interested in the Alien being something
so highly prized by the Predators that they would drop everything to hunt it, and usually get hunted themselves. Anything to move the Alien away from just another bug hunt.
It would also give us the opportunity to resolve the differences between the Scott and Cameron Aliens, and possibly reintroduce the egg-morphing. Maybe it's time for the Alien to have less rules as an organism?
The only way they can make an acceptable reboot of this dark stain on the franchises is to make it either an Alien film that has predators in it, or a Predator film that has aliens in it. Take the "versus" shit out. A Mortal Kombat round does not make a full blown story. The xenomorph bug hunt stuff really needs to be put to sleep too. Them being screeching space ants in Aliens was an interesting one off but the comics, video games and then AvP turds rehashed the idea to death. It's so boring. They really need to go back to being intelligent, creepy, psychosexual wierd monsters.
I think the Space Jockeys are the key, but this time as biomechanoids. Think about it, maybe the best option is establish a separate canon as in the Star Trek franchise.
I think there are two paths they can go down for an avp 3 movie.
1. Is just another isolated incident, an excuse to have aliens and predators fighting on the big screen, with a few humans stuck in the middle.
2. An actual development of complex storytelling, perhaps a way to better link the events of the existing avp films to the iconic films that the creatures originated from, maybe even showing some more backstory of the creatures, where they come from, how far back their interactions go, who that governement guy was at the end of avp R... anything comparable to keyes form P2? What the predator technology was used for... what happened to the alien queen etc.
Of course there can be elements from both but the core of the story would orientate towards one of them. Both can create good films if executed properly, but they would need to have someone behind the wheel who isn't a complete **** up like Paul Anderson or completely inexperienced fanboys like those brothers.
I wanted to see it based off of rebellions AVP2010 showing what went down before rookie,youngblood,and six.
have it change perspective throughout like halo:odst where you see things through a different poibt of view to catch up.
so thats my idea.
Just thought up a random idea then and thought I'd post it. Someone's probably already posted it in this thread lol but w/e I'm not reading the whole thing to check. So here it is.
How about a prequel?
Set near the peak of human & predator civilisation shown briefly in flashbacks in the first AVP. Most humans are slaves forced to build pyramids. There are a few rebels astray that refuse to be enslaved by predators, these guys are the main characters of the movie, and some humans that have proven their worth in combat who stand alongside the predators, these guys are the main bad guys. There would be a evil ruthless human warrior who acts as the emperor of the humans, stands alongside the predators and enforces the slavery, while the predators stand over most humans as gods, using them as breeding vessels for xenos and even hunting the stronger humans. The evil bad dude could have beaten a predator in combat and earned their respect.
There could be a gladiatorial arena, and the rebels get captured and forced to fight and survive in battle, fight through increasingly challenging tests. Maybe the leader of the rebels is forced to fight a xeno or two or three with primitive weapons and wins. He ends up escaping, earning his freedom or something similar, haven't thought how to work it into this idea yet.
The main evil human emperor wants to kill the predators and become the absolute ruler of earth, he uses xenos as an instrument to kill them, not realizing that he is going to wipe out his own species with it. The rebel humans try to stop him, but the bad guy succeeds and a massive xeno outbreak occurs. Perhaps the evil guy boards a predator ship and spreads the xenos throughout it. The rebel leader catches up with him to stop him. The predators capture them both for breaking into the ship and force them to fight each other to the death and the rebel leader wins but the aliens have already started to take over at this point, so the rebels escape the city, while the predators fight the xenos. The slaves/citizens blindly follow the predators loyally. Most humans are wiped out and xenos overtake everything. Three remaining elite predators try to call for an evacuation at the top of a pyramid, but their ride is overrun by xenos and crashes. In an epic last stand, the predators fight to the death with a tidal wave of aliens before their self destruct wipes out everything.
In the aftermath, the rebels who managed to escape the blast return to the ashes of the ruined city to start anew, as they do, another predator ship is hovering overhead, watching them, before it turns away and leaves the earth.
I just made this up off a sudden random thought in like 5 mins lol
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I really like that idea!
I feel that AVP and AVPR are very much Predator films in spirit and in tone. For AVP 3 I want to see more of an Alien kind of movie as opposed to the more action based Predator kind of film.
I like the Prequel idea, but the only problem is we would be seeing something very similar to AvP which is a road I hope they never go down again....
Quote from: bloodinthemud on Jun 29, 2013, 10:44:52 AM
Just thought up a random idea then and thought I'd post it. Someone's probably already posted it in this thread lol but w/e I'm not reading the whole thing to check. So here it is.
How about a prequel?
Set near the peak of human & predator civilisation shown briefly in flashbacks in the first AVP. Most humans are slaves forced to build pyramids. There are a few rebels astray that refuse to be enslaved by predators, these guys are the main characters of the movie, and some humans that have proven their worth in combat who stand alongside the predators, these guys are the main bad guys. There would be a evil ruthless human warrior who acts as the emperor of the humans, stands alongside the predators and enforces the slavery, while the predators stand over most humans as gods, using them as breeding vessels for xenos and even hunting the stronger humans. The evil bad dude could have beaten a predator in combat and earned their respect.
There could be a gladiatorial arena, and the rebels get captured and forced to fight and survive in battle, fight through increasingly challenging tests. Maybe the leader of the rebels is forced to fight a xeno or two or three with primitive weapons and wins. He ends up escaping, earning his freedom or something similar, haven't thought how to work it into this idea yet.
The main evil human emperor wants to kill the predators and become the absolute ruler of earth, he uses xenos as an instrument to kill them, not realizing that he is going to wipe out his own species with it. The rebel humans try to stop him, but the bad guy succeeds and a massive xeno outbreak occurs. Perhaps the evil guy boards a predator ship and spreads the xenos throughout it. The rebel leader catches up with him to stop him. The predators capture them both for breaking into the ship and force them to fight each other to the death and the rebel leader wins but the aliens have already started to take over at this point, so the rebels escape the city, while the predators fight the xenos. The slaves/citizens blindly follow the predators loyally. Most humans are wiped out and xenos overtake everything. Three remaining elite predators try to call for an evacuation at the top of a pyramid, but their ride is overrun by xenos and crashes. In an epic last stand, the predators fight to the death with a tidal wave of aliens before their self destruct wipes out everything.
In the aftermath, the rebels who managed to escape the blast return to the ashes of the ruined city to start anew, as they do, another predator ship is hovering overhead, watching them, before it turns away and leaves the earth.
I just made this up off a sudden random thought in like 5 mins lol
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Aliens and Predators vs. spears and sticks. Sounds bland.
That and the Space Jockeys who had more than spears and sticks attempted to control xenomorphs before.
...
Didn't go very well.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Aug 12, 2013, 01:14:25 PM
Quote from: bloodinthemud on Jun 29, 2013, 10:44:52 AM
Just thought up a random idea then and thought I'd post it. Someone's probably already posted it in this thread lol but w/e I'm not reading the whole thing to check. So here it is.
How about a prequel?
Set near the peak of human & predator civilisation shown briefly in flashbacks in the first AVP. Most humans are slaves forced to build pyramids. There are a few rebels astray that refuse to be enslaved by predators, these guys are the main characters of the movie, and some humans that have proven their worth in combat who stand alongside the predators, these guys are the main bad guys. There would be a evil ruthless human warrior who acts as the emperor of the humans, stands alongside the predators and enforces the slavery, while the predators stand over most humans as gods, using them as breeding vessels for xenos and even hunting the stronger humans. The evil bad dude could have beaten a predator in combat and earned their respect.
There could be a gladiatorial arena, and the rebels get captured and forced to fight and survive in battle, fight through increasingly challenging tests. Maybe the leader of the rebels is forced to fight a xeno or two or three with primitive weapons and wins. He ends up escaping, earning his freedom or something similar, haven't thought how to work it into this idea yet.
The main evil human emperor wants to kill the predators and become the absolute ruler of earth, he uses xenos as an instrument to kill them, not realizing that he is going to wipe out his own species with it. The rebel humans try to stop him, but the bad guy succeeds and a massive xeno outbreak occurs. Perhaps the evil guy boards a predator ship and spreads the xenos throughout it. The rebel leader catches up with him to stop him. The predators capture them both for breaking into the ship and force them to fight each other to the death and the rebel leader wins but the aliens have already started to take over at this point, so the rebels escape the city, while the predators fight the xenos. The slaves/citizens blindly follow the predators loyally. Most humans are wiped out and xenos overtake everything. Three remaining elite predators try to call for an evacuation at the top of a pyramid, but their ride is overrun by xenos and crashes. In an epic last stand, the predators fight to the death with a tidal wave of aliens before their self destruct wipes out everything.
In the aftermath, the rebels who managed to escape the blast return to the ashes of the ruined city to start anew, as they do, another predator ship is hovering overhead, watching them, before it turns away and leaves the earth.
I just made this up off a sudden random thought in like 5 mins lol
thoughts?
Inspirations for the idea I just wrote:
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Aliens and Predators vs. spears and sticks. Sounds bland.
well no, it's aliens vs predators with helpless cavemen in between...
and @monolith, the predators have been controlling aliens in the avp pyramid for millennia,
You do remember the pyramid getting over run by aliens and destroyed. The aliens can't be controlled. From the words of Ripley 8 "She'll breed. You'll die." if they really wanted to control the aliens they'd be best to control there numbers. Instead of having 100,000 aliens run rampant and think "Well **** where did we go wrong"
The entire point of the alien series. People desire to control the alien, alien says "f**k no. Ima rape some bitches." lots of people die, hero says "Well this doesn't seem to be a very good idea."
That and the aliens sort of break out of the predator's prison at least twice. It doesn't seem to work very well.
Quote from: Terx2 on Aug 13, 2013, 07:39:18 AM
You do remember the pyramid getting over run by aliens and destroyed. The aliens can't be controlled. From the words of Ripley 8 "She'll breed. You'll die." if they really wanted to control the aliens they'd be best to control there numbers. Instead of having 100,000 aliens run rampant and think "Well **** where did we go wrong"
Right. They should consider controlling the egg count somehow. After a few eggs put the queen back in the freezer.
Quote from: AliceApocalypse on Aug 13, 2013, 08:03:01 PM
Quote from: Terx2 on Aug 13, 2013, 07:39:18 AM
You do remember the pyramid getting over run by aliens and destroyed. The aliens can't be controlled. From the words of Ripley 8 "She'll breed. You'll die." if they really wanted to control the aliens they'd be best to control there numbers. Instead of having 100,000 aliens run rampant and think "Well **** where did we go wrong"
Right. They should consider controlling the egg count somehow. After a few eggs put the queen back in the freezer.
^ this is a good idea, but then have some bad guy **** that up out of greed.
I'd have it set on a mining planet, post Alien³, with a diverse bunch of humans, a pair of Predators and a trio of Aliens. The operations been going a for a good few years, put together by a mysterious smaller company that pops up during WY's impending Wal-Mart doom. One of the monthly cargo pods contains, you guessed it, three eggies. In the scrub outside the colony there's an on-going chase between two Preddies. A bad-blood (think Predator serial killer) and his (less dickish) counterpart that gets even more interesting when the come upon hell. Awesome ensues.
I like the idea of having a Predator that doesn't use all the fancy tech. No plasma cannon, no cloak, no mines; just a mask and a blade, running around killing anything and everything. The situation forcing the Predators to work together to take out the Aliens isn't a shabby idea either. As for the Aliens they need to get back to being, well, alien. Plus that unnerving tension when you have to outsmart the beasties rather than just blow them away.
Oh and this is a reboot. I choose to throw what came before in the cornfield and move on.
Quote from: War Wager on Aug 13, 2013, 11:37:54 PM
Oh and this is a reboot. I choose to throw what came before in the cornfield and move on.
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Quote from: War Wager on Aug 13, 2013, 11:37:54 PM
I'd have it set on a mining planet, post Alien³, with a diverse bunch of humans, a pair of Predators and a trio of Aliens. The operations been going a for a good few years, put together by a mysterious smaller company that pops up during WY's impending Wal-Mart doom. One of the monthly cargo pods contains, you guessed it, three eggies. In the scrub outside the colony there's an on-going chase between two Preddies. A bad-blood (think Predator serial killer) and his (less dickish) counterpart that gets even more interesting when the come upon hell. Awesome ensues.
I like the idea of having a Predator that doesn't use all the fancy tech. No plasma cannon, no cloak, no mines; just a mask and a blade, running around killing anything and everything. The situation forcing the Predators to work together to take out the Aliens isn't a shabby idea either. As for the Aliens they need to get back to being, well, alien. Plus that unnerving tension when you have to outsmart the beasties rather than just blow them away.
First of all, good to see you again as it seems like you disappeared for a long freaking time. Second, ace idea! I personally would rather have the Predator use just his basic weapons: cannon and blades. The Bad Blood would make for an interesting twist I agree but might that not complicate the story? That's a story in of itself.
Ta, and nah I don't think it would over complicate things; just imply that this Preddy kills everything and is on the run. The how and the why can be left ambiguous for us nerds!
Quote from: TheMonolith on Aug 14, 2013, 02:08:22 AM
Quote from: War Wager on Aug 13, 2013, 11:37:54 PM
Oh and this is a reboot. I choose to throw what came before in the cornfield and move on.
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Well, no-where near
there :P
Quote from: War Wager on Aug 14, 2013, 12:52:39 PM
Ta, and nah I don't think it would over complicate things; just imply that this Preddy kills everything and is on the run. The how and the why can be left ambiguous for us nerds!
Quote from: TheMonolith on Aug 14, 2013, 02:08:22 AM
Quote from: War Wager on Aug 13, 2013, 11:37:54 PM
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Well, no-where near there :P
If its a reboot call it
Aliens vs. Predator, as opposed to
AVP, and this idea sounds flippin sweet. You should represent the Aliens as accurately as possible too, the
AVP movies really nerfed the hell outta 'em.
You make it sound like I'll be making something of the idea! But yeah, the Alien hasn't been even remotely threatening since 1997.
They dun f**ked up.
Quote from: War Wager on Aug 16, 2013, 12:54:48 AM
You make it sound like I'll be making something of the idea!
Why not? You know what I say?
Dream big, stay positive, accept all possibilities. :P
Personally I don't feel Hollywood will ever make another good Aliens or Predator movie. But if they make anymore I'd rather have both creatures separate (which seems to be the trend ATM) for reasons already disused abroad. The first Predator was great but I have no desire to sit through another horror like AVP. I could only make it through 30 minutes of AVP-R just to see some people die, needless to say I gave it the same treatment as Starship Troopers 2. Which was into the trash after breaking it into pieces so it couldn't procreate. If everyone does the same we can make it extinct thereby erasing it from memory in only a few generations.
Are you friends with PHANTOM, by any chance? lol
Quote from: nostalgicalgorithms on Aug 16, 2013, 11:09:06 PM
I gave it the same treatment as Starship Troopers 2. Which was into the trash after breaking it into pieces so it couldn't procreate.
Good, padawan.
Despite my best efforts another did spawn another but I haven't scene it. I almost bought it at Best Buy only because the box looked awesome with the little figure Marauder figure inside.
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The only way I would remotely accept a new AVP movie is if it had nothing to do with any of the previous releases. Even if that happened my stomach is still queasy, how does one prepare to blow chunks into a tub of popcorn? It almost happened when I went to see Predators. Could have been the Mcdonalds I ate earlier or a intense negative reaction to the feces I saw all over the screen.
Well, I`m not so negative for idea of bringing back submerged Queen. Let`s be honest, AvP 3 will happen sooner or later. Queen taken to underwater base (powered by geothermal reactor from near by volcano ;) ) would give us some new and interesting environment for next film. And of course possibility for some cool looking Aliens based on underwater creatures. Would you like to see Shark-Alien?
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It`s like Leviathan or Abbys with Alien and Predator. You know you like it ;)
Maybe in a graphic novel.
Quote from: nostalgicalgorithms on Aug 27, 2013, 02:08:29 AM
The only way I would remotely accept a new AVP movie is if it had nothing to do with any of the previous releases. Even if that happened my stomach is still queasy, how does one prepare to blow chunks into a tub of popcorn? It almost happened when I went to see Predators. Could have been the Mcdonalds I ate earlier or a intense negative reaction to the feces I saw all over the screen.
I think the butter on your popcorn might've been contaminated ;)
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That guy's got some great Pred stuff.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Aug 27, 2013, 01:00:18 PM
Quote from: nostalgicalgorithms on Aug 27, 2013, 02:08:29 AM
The only way I would remotely accept a new AVP movie is if it had nothing to do with any of the previous releases. Even if that happened my stomach is still queasy, how does one prepare to blow chunks into a tub of popcorn? It almost happened when I went to see Predators. Could have been the Mcdonalds I ate earlier or a intense negative reaction to the feces I saw all over the screen.
I think the butter on your popcorn might've been contaminated ;)
I think it's the intense negative reaction to the feces he saw all over the screen, personally. :P
Quote from: nostalgicalgorithms on Aug 27, 2013, 02:08:29 AM
The only way I would remotely accept a new AVP movie is if it had nothing to do with any of the previous releases. Even if that happened my stomach is still queasy, how does one prepare to blow chunks into a tub of popcorn? It almost happened when I went to see Predators. Could have been the Mcdonalds I ate earlier or a intense negative reaction to the feces I saw all over the screen.
Predators was better than the first two AVP's combined.
Disagreed.
To each his own.
At least the "super" Predators where more intelligent than Wolf, Chopper, and Celtic. I hate to admit it because I loved Celtic, but it's the truth.
I honestly liked AVP more than Predators...
One of the most ridiculous things about the previous films is that the humans were able to kill the aliens with regular guns. The colonial marines had to use pulse rifles with incendiary rounds to pierce the aliens' armor, but some kid with a nine can shoot them in the face and kill them? Lame. Also, in avpr, the blood barely ever burns anything. The predator odds totally immune to the acid blood, which is stupid. And there were several occasions when the aliens could have simply killed the predator but didn't. Basically, i just want to see a film in which the predator acts like and has the abilities of the predator, the alien acts like and has the abilities of the alien, and the humans are helpless and get murdered unless the possess some kind of weapons or defenses capable of contending with the other two species. But, I guess if they made a movie like that then nothing would be able to contend with the alien in a melee confrontation, and of course the predators would take the ranged and tactical advantage every time... whatever, I just want to see a movie that does them both honest justice. I want Cameron's Aliens versus the original Predators.
vasquez killed an alien with a sidearm.
the civies in the installation of lv426 bagged some xenos with small arms fire...
it was never stated high powered ammunition is needed... just what the marines used as standard,
Vasquez shot the Alien 10 times at point blank - four of them in the side of the head - and it was still kicking (not for much longer granted).
Pizza Boy only managed to kill the Alien after his brother shot it with the Predator gun.
After taking another look at newts tale, you're right. They used shot guns, and newt's brother uses a pistol. Whatever, they still die too easily. In the avp films. Also, they made Wolf too careless. I still enjoy watching the films, but a third installment should really stay true to the original aliens and predator films. Horror over action. Suspense over thrills. Aliens still murder predator.
I wouldn't hold Newt's Tale up as any sort of evidence.
And even if you did - we can't even tell it Tim kills the Alien.
It's also impossible to tell if Aliens were actually killed by the colonists or merely wounded.
Quote from: SM on Oct 18, 2013, 03:25:02 AM
Vasquez shot the Alien 10 times at point blank - four of them in the side of the head - and it was still kicking (not for much longer granted).
Pizza Boy only managed to kill the Alien after his brother shot it with the Predator gun.
Bullets only bounced off twice from what I remember.
Quote from: xenomorphnt on Oct 18, 2013, 03:34:14 AM
After taking another look at newts tale, you're right. They used shot guns, and newt's brother uses a pistol. Whatever, they still die too easily. In the avp films. Also, they made Wolf too careless. I still enjoy watching the films, but a third installment should really stay true to the original aliens and predator films. Horror over action. Suspense over thrills. Aliens still murder predator.
It's nigh impossible to pull that now due to excessive exposure done by previous films. I say balance.
And the studio won't like something that seem less profitable...
I know... they have to make it fair I guess, even though it wouldn't be. Aliens rock, imo.
If they want to make this shit work they cant make it play on Earth, it wont work aliens on Earth and predators coming like its nothing.
It has to be in the future.
The issue is how to bring in the audience. First the studio wonders how if humans aren't in the movie, as someone we can root for. Otherwise, it could just (and literally) be aliens vs. predator. Hunters like to hunt prey in their natural habitats, also, and a movie with a predator on a safari to the alien homeworld (which Ridley wanted to do in an Alien 5 I understand) could be great. Then there would be no limits to what they two species could do. If humans are involved, then the future will be much better still, but then I've heard there are more expenses, and we need more background on what humans are doing at that time, who the predators are in the galaxy, etc.. They could do it with a lone craft out in space, which has its navigational systems compromised while the crew is in stasis, and they wake up in distant space, as "honored guests" of a predator tribe living on a remote moon or planet relative to the location of their own home world(s). That sounds like a good idea to me, actually...
Why would Predators "honour" some guys they found asleep on a ship?
They're treated as honored guests at first, offered food at a banquet, entertained with predator dancing and opera, and nursed back to full health. They are told when they can first understand the language, "they are chosen ones", and they will play a part in a "great hunt"...
Can't wait.
Seems awful un-Predator like.
You haven't seen Così fan tutte until you've experienced it in Predatorish.
Naw, they do Wagner's The Ring Cycle.
All three hours of it.
I'll see your Wagner and raise you a Kathakali (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kathakali).
But you're missing out on Ride of the Valkyries performed by Predators.
Game, set, match.
Jai Ho > Ride of the Valkyries
I know you guys are just alien fans, but what if the dessert at the banquet was a nice alien egg for everyone?
That's more an entree.
Quote from: SM on Nov 26, 2013, 04:12:58 AM
Jai Ho > Ride of the Valkyries
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NaBfnmVwDt8#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NaBfnmVwDt8#ws)
Quote from: Liberator on Nov 26, 2013, 04:24:31 AM
I know you guys are just alien fans, but what if the dessert at the banquet was a nice alien egg for everyone?
I like Predators just fine. Why would they be eating Alien eggs?
Have you seen AVP?
Yes, but not the version where Scar snacks down on some eggs at the end when in the sacrificial chamber.
The whole point is to freak people out by showing that the face-huggers are coming out. No one will really eat the eggs. The point is to use the humans in this way, instead of luring scientists to Antarctica so they can be used there. The opera also gives them a chance to understand what they're getting involved in, but opera is an acquired taste. Predator opera is the best in my opinion.
I have no idea what's going on here.
There will just be "all this blood", screaming everywhere, and then big xenomorphs will come on-screen and be hunted.
It would be like in Alien 4 when the eggs were put in front of the people kidnapped to be used to breed xeno's.
Quote from: SiL on Nov 26, 2013, 04:37:48 AM
Quote from: SM on Nov 26, 2013, 04:12:58 AM
Jai Ho > Ride of the Valkyries
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NaBfnmVwDt8#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NaBfnmVwDt8#ws)
Quote from: Liberator on Nov 26, 2013, 04:24:31 AM
I know you guys are just alien fans, but what if the dessert at the banquet was a nice alien egg for everyone?
I like Predators just fine. Why would they be eating Alien eggs?
Not that shitty Jai Ho - the proper one! >:(
QuoteI have no idea what's going on here.
Me neither.
I'm not sure that's entirely a bad thing, though.
Would you agree that my idea is good?
Honestly, no. Why Predator opera ... ?
Quote from: SM on Nov 26, 2013, 05:09:01 AM
Not that shitty Jai Ho - the proper one! >:(
All I can find is that, but in Hindi.
I also want to put a vote in for AVP3 taking place on LV 223, from Prometheus. The predators were there during the movie(!), and they'd see the deacon which will grow to gargantuan size and likely possess super intelligence. I'd like to see what the predators do there, what happens to the deacon as it grows up and tries to survive, and what happens when the next ship from Earth arrives.
Quote from: SiL on Nov 26, 2013, 05:23:09 AM
Honestly, no. Why Predator opera ... ?
The following is written in reply by Liberator, not quoted:
It just sounded funny. I was going to say predator music and dancing, but their civilization is very advanced so why not "even" opera. It would be funny, to me, to see those big creatures like performing epic hunts and battles, depicting their ancestral heroes and such. They would be BIG ON STORYTELLING I think, but again, this is serious thinking about it and I just came up woth opera because it's the most absurd (absurdly funny) thing they could do.
Why are we making the Predators laughable?
Well, I apologize to all the predator fans out there. I realize I was trying to pay them a compliment, saying they would have well developed, great art forms and culture. The joke was just the revelation to the humans of the predators' ultimate intentions for them.
QuoteAll I can find is that, but in Hindi.
That's the one.
And I think he be trolling.
In slightly surreal and not unarousing way.
Quote from: Liberator on Nov 26, 2013, 04:45:32 AM
The whole point is to freak people out by showing that the face-huggers are coming out. No one will really eat the eggs. The point is to use the humans in this way, instead of luring scientists to Antarctica so they can be used there. The opera also gives them a chance to understand what they're getting involved in, but opera is an acquired taste. Predator opera is the best in my opinion.
Quote from: SiL on Nov 26, 2013, 04:46:38 AM
I have no idea what's going on here.
LMAO.
The movie should be spooky, not so biased against humans in my honest opinion, and one way to do this would be to place the action on an alien world where the human cast is trying to explore or fght a war and among the dangers or opponents are predators and xenomorphs who are going at each other with a vengeance. Maybe we want to explore an ancient city, or liberate a fallen people? We would be more powerful, ourselves, with advanced equipment and no one would have to be cannon fodder.
..the f**k?
I love this forum. :laugh:
It's refreshing to see someone with new and.. uh.. "unique" ideas every once in a while.
Predators are monsters and should remain as such throughout the films....
I dont want them to have too much of an "honor" code.. as they have been shown to be very dirty fighters. I also wouldnt like them to have too much of an advanced culture with "singing and dancing".. or any other attempt to make them "relatable" or turn them into "klingons" of sorts. lol What would follow after that... performances of Shakespeare in Yautja language? :P
Quote from: Blacklabel on Nov 26, 2013, 02:23:19 PM
What would follow after that... performances of Shakespeare in Yautja language? :P
Rrrrrrrrooooooooooooommmmmmmmmmmmeeeeeeeeeeeeoooooooooooo, wheeeeeeerrrrrrrrrreee arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrtt thouuuuuuuuu, Rrrrrrrrrrrooooooooooommmmmmmmmmmmmeeeeeeeooooooooo?
If you have the patience for Predator English speak, it could be fun, no?
Quote from: DoomRulz on Nov 26, 2013, 03:27:37 PM
Quote from: Blacklabel on Nov 26, 2013, 02:23:19 PM
What would follow after that... performances of Shakespeare in Yautja language? :P
Rrrrrrrrooooooooooooommmmmmmm mmmmeeeeeeeeeeeeoooooooooooo, wheeeeeeerrrrrrrrrreee arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrtt thouuuuuuuuu, Rrrrrrrrrrrooooooooooommmmmmm mmmmmmeeeeeeeooooooooo?
If you have the patience for Predator English speak, it could be fun, no?
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:laugh:
..the performances of Hamlet will be HARDCORE. ;D
See, you two have the right idea :)
Random idea
Set in the Alien futuristic timeline, following a crew of planet explorers/salvagers and a large team of hired mercenaries.
To their surprise find an inhabitable alien planet deep in space that has a rich and unique eco-system, in their exploring they find a derelict craft of unknown origin..
They then proceed to set up base and decide to explore the derelict craft to look for any signs of life or anything of value but
unbeknownst to them they have stumbled onto the hunting grounds of a ruthless clan of 6-9 predators , a clan who circle the planets orbit with their ship and only proceed to the ground when they engage in a hunt.
These are predators who have never seen humans before and find them intriguing and after watching them fight off a few of the planets natural predators and being able to hold their own, soon find them worthy of hunting.
So they send out a hunting crew of 3-5 predators to move in and track the human visitors who have taken a liking to their sacred hunting grounds.
Meanwhile the humans discover that the derelict spacecraft had indeed been shot down by something of unknown origin and decide to head back to camp, little do they know they have discovered a space-jockey ship, a space jockey ship that had been transporting multiple Queen alien eggs in it's cargo.
The predators having shot down the space-jockey ship long ago in a pre-emptive attack due to them having encountered their destructive race before but not knowing of the dangerous cargo it's ship withheld and as the humans get comfy an alien outbreak slowly ensues while the predators descend for a hunt they are ill prepared for and humans are all caught In the middle.
That's just a vague idea I have, of course showing the aliens and predators should be minimalistic and full of tension/horror as possible and we should be viewing all of this from the humans point of view, preferably with relatable characters.
Their goal should be to do their job, then survive and then find a way to get off of this planet.
The idea of predators being inexperienced with humans and aliens would put their superior hunting capabilities and technology to the test while also allowing the aliens to get the upper-hand on the predators and kill a few of them off and a select 2-3 predators having to learn how to adapt to their new prey and learning how to kill some aliens off and humans are just in the middle of this mess trying to survive and find a way off the planet..
Just an idea..
Interesting. Just not too far into the future so Lex can return for this one.
There should be a link to Prometheus in the next AVP movie. We have a good thread about the possibility over in the Prometheus forum.
A good thread you say?
I am trying to make it a good one, at any rate. I get bombarded by these rude, sarcastic people all the time, but if everyone just ignores all the trolling the thread is just for ideas about a possible connection to AVP with Prometheus. It's a wide open field for speculation, because we know all three movies are in the same universe, so the studio really is bound to make stuff connecting it all. Dark Horse comics, I understand, is already in the works of a few stories. I hope to bring some positive comments to the thread, to force out the nay-sayers, but if you just don't like the concept I can understand that. I think for crossover movies, they can fill niches like to explain what happened to the engineers on LV 223 2,000 years ago, but the official series movies can focus on their own stories without doing any crossovers. The predator makes an appearance, very secretly, like an "Easter egg" hidden in Prometheus, which the nay-sayers are saying is actually just an accidental camera problem called lens flare that no one thought to edit out in the final cut. I say, at least, when they saw it they said "Why don't we leave that in, because it looks pretty cool".
Quote from: Liberator on Dec 15, 2013, 05:00:57 AM
I am trying to make it a good one, at any rate. I get bombarded by these rude, sarcastic people all the time, but if everyone just ignores all the trolling the thread is just for ideas about a possible connection to AVP with Prometheus. It's a wide open field for speculation, because we know all three movies are in the same universe, so the studio really is bound to make stuff connecting it all. Dark Horse comics, I understand, is already in the works of a few stories. I hope to bring some positive comments to the thread, to force out the nay-sayers, but if you just don't like the concept I can understand that. I think for crossover movies, they can fill niches like to explain what happened to the engineers on LV 223 2,000 years ago, but the official series movies can focus on their own stories without doing any crossovers. The predator makes an appearance, very secretly, like an "Easter egg" hidden in Prometheus, which the nay-sayers are saying is actually just an accidental camera problem called lens flare that no one thought to edit out in the final cut. I say, at least, when they saw it they said "Why don't we leave that in, because it looks pretty cool".
No we don't "know". If we did, we wouldn't have people picking and choosing what's canon. You can't just state what you believe and claim it as fact.
What am I making up? Prometheus is in the Alien universe, or more accurately, Alien is in the Prometheus universe. Michael Fassbender, who plays the android, David, in the movie, says that the events of Alien are like happening in one tiny corner of the story's universe, during the same time table as the events of Prometheus which are much bigger and far reaching. Prometheus is the new main story for Ridley Scott's part.
The comic books are already going to incorporate Prometheus into the stories for AVP. I read this on these forums from an independent poster.
Quote from: Liberator on Dec 15, 2013, 06:57:03 AM
What am I making up? Prometheus is in the Alien universe, or more accurately, Alien is in the Prometheus universe. Michael Fassbender, who plays the android, David, in the movie, says that the events of Alien are like happening in one tiny corner of the story's universe, during the same time table as the events of Prometheus which are much bigger and far reaching. Prometheus is the new main story for Ridley Scott's part.
The comic books are already going to incorporate Prometheus into the stories for AVP. I read this on these forums from an independent poster.
I never said you made it up. It's your personal canon. It's what you choose to believe and follow.
Quote from: Liberator on Dec 15, 2013, 05:00:57 AM
I am trying to make it a good one, at any rate. I get bombarded by these rude, sarcastic people all the time, but if everyone just ignores all the trolling the thread is just for ideas about a possible connection to AVP with Prometheus. It's a wide open field for speculation, because we know all three movies are in the same universe, so the studio really is bound to make stuff connecting it all. Dark Horse comics, I understand, is already in the works of a few stories. I hope to bring some positive comments to the thread, to force out the nay-sayers, but if you just don't like the concept I can understand that. I think for crossover movies, they can fill niches like to explain what happened to the engineers on LV 223 2,000 years ago, but the official series movies can focus on their own stories without doing any crossovers. The predator makes an appearance, very secretly, like an "Easter egg" hidden in Prometheus, which the nay-sayers are saying is actually just an accidental camera problem called lens flare that no one thought to edit out in the final cut. I say, at least, when they saw it they said "Why don't we leave that in, because it looks pretty cool".
I haven't seen your thread but I'm against the idea of tying AvP into the Prometheus 'verse for the same reason I'm against tying AvP into the Alien and Predator films. It creates too much confusion with regard to canon. Prometheus is still a confusing film and tying it with AvP isn't going to help.
I want a film with no freaking humans. It should be in another planet with no humans still. I want the homeworlds of the alien and predator collide or something and maybe even combine, idk. I want the Predator population to be almost wiped out and stuff but they found a way to defeat the alien horde of millions without risking another predator death. Personally, I want Dark[In Aliens vs Predator video game 2010] and along with Spartan. I don't know but maybe add the bad bloods. I know that they are never to accepted in Predator society but would you even do this when your species is at the brink of extinction? [Predator in their homeworld actually]
Anyways I just hope to see the next movie on another planet with better concepts and effects and lightning and stuff and I more tech for the Predator would satisfy as they would invent new weapons on the way. And I really hope to see a Predator live for a change, it is not very cool to see the big-badass alien hunter that everyone favors[not everyone, mostly]. I still wanna see the Predators use their senses, like celtic. (And I wanna see the Predator king and Alien King fight.)=[Maybe not in AvP 3]
In short, I just wanna see the Predator being the hero or alive. Somebody may say, "hey their were living predators in AvP -_-, watch the movie again". And definitely did get the point, we want to see the ones who participated in the hunt being alive not their leaders and stuff.[From the hunt predators not promoters of the hunt and stuff like that.]
I don't want to watch 2 hours of people in rubber suits miming at each other. I also don't want subtitled Predator dialogue.
I think I'd rather see the Predator be another menace that the protagonist(s) would have to deal with but one that would hide in the shadows. I'd rather the Predator be a silent killer like he was in the videos games rather than a hero or antihero. In general I would rather see a horror film approach to another AVP film as opposed to the action film vibe of the first two.
Quote from: Dark,The Legendary Yautja on Dec 27, 2013, 12:35:31 AM
I want a film with no freaking humans. It should be in another planet with no humans still.
In short, I just wanna see the Predator being the hero or alive.
I think the issue with anything Predator-centric is that it wouldn't fly with anyone other than a hardcore fan audience - it would essentially be a foreign-language sci-fi movie with (to the casual viewer) unrelatable characters.
This is not to say that the public at large dont know jack about the Preds and don't think they're cool/ bad-ass, but I don't think that many could buy into a Predator "lead." I think as well that Fox knows fanboys and girls all too well... No matter what movie comes out, fans hate it (by and large, he says with a sweeping generalisation). So... If you had twenty million dollars to invest in a project, would you put that into a story for a base that was going to assassinate it as soon as the first leaked image came out, or would you make something more likely to please a wider audience and provide a lucrative roi?
AVP and /R were made by (like it or not) fanboys. Anderson was at pains to include stuff that he KNEW fans would love (nodding duck, the thing with the knife (ok, pen)), Henrickson himself... The whole thing was designed to please not only JoeP, but also ... Us. Yet most hated it. I'm in the minority, I really liked avp, and.. to a lesser extent, /r.
I'd love to see more of these movies, but I don't think we will for some time to come.
Unless animated was an option? Cheaper to make, cheaper to distribute... Adapting the comics would be far easier this way too and I think most of those were pretty well received?
Just take the original AVP Perry comic, change it around a little, add colonial marines and some popular elements from the games (such as the exosuit and the praetorian), don't pay too much (...or any...) attention to "teh cann0n!1!" and just make a moderately scary sci-fi action flick late 80ies style. Voila! Easy as pie!
I had an idea for AVP3 that I mentioned in another thread...it was NOT popular.
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Dec 31, 2013, 03:17:02 AM
Just take the original AVP Perry comic, change it around a little, add colonial marines and some popular elements from the games (such as the exosuit and the praetorian), don't pay too much (...or any...) attention to "teh cann0n!1!" and just make a moderately scary sci-fi action flick late 80ies style. Voila! Easy as pie!
The AvP Perry comic.
lol
I see what you did there.
But I actually liked Stradley's AvP better than almost any incarnation hence put forth aside from Rebellion's original AvP.
An AVP stand-alone, not directly in either universe a sort of Blade-Runner city on a moon of Venus say, Predator is doing his usually business as a militant government take over, people aren't happy. Riots etc
And in all the chaos only a few people realise others are going missing, but the good cop investigating it thinks it's the government kidnapping people as the Predator hunts down this new government force ( They have new tech, prototype military powerloaders etc
The cop also does his investigating and calls in a few favors from friends in the government, but what they don't know is the reason the government quarantined an isolated part of town, they found an Alien and it's getting out of hand, (They were doing construction and broke into a giger-esque cave beneath. This could show some of the more predator aspects of the Xenomorph hunting down marines. (Government marines.
The unique thing about the film would that it would have it's own political commentary, characters with genuine depth (Spend most of your time with one character and four at the most well developed other characters.
Some marines, some government guys and some just people each with their own perspective on the militant take-over. But with their own theory as to why people go missing.
Also their would only be one alien and one Predator. Each taking fodder(but politically important fodder, marines go missing because of the alien no-one knows about and the predator works his way up the political food chain.
(This is also a reboot just titled: Alien Versus Predator)
Egg morphed people are found at the end of the film if you're wondering.
And also the Alien is different, more giger than ever having gestated in an Android.
You could have the mystery essentially be the meat of the film and also, the Predator and Alien fight twice, once in the middle and the Predator is dealt a severe injury and is out of the game temporarily. This is after the reveal that one of our main character's friends has been feeding information to the government about their investigation.
I envision the fights to be slow paced, rather than action-packed.
They nearly gut their lying friend but she just thought she was doing the right thing.
I think the film would end with similtanously with our investigator's being revealed as Weyland spies, the informant to the established government runs in fear. Whilist the person "good cop" we thought we'd be rooting for hunts her and is promptly ambushed by healed Predator (Predators re-entrance) and the predator promptly guts him violent and takes his skull and spine.
Our new female protagionist leaves the planet immediately fearing for her life as the Predator comes close to killing the Alien and he does but the Alien then explodes! (A trait of being android produced) The chap showers the Predator with blood on a rooftop.
I'm not sure if the Predator should activate his bomb or not at the end, if Weyland then comes in and retrieves the eggs held in the abandoned part of town where he alien took it's victims.
Sorry this first draft is very rough but it's what I'd like to see.
Then you can up the stakes in the sequel and call it Aliens Versus Predators. (Not related to the Predators movie, just like the sound of the title.) And even harken back to the original comic books by calling the third Aliens Versus Predator, Font and all.
That's got great potential. I don't know if I like the exploding alien, but that's just my view... the different world view from what we are used to is intriguing.
Are you going to Fan-Fiction this as a novella?
I would like to see an adaptation of Rebellion's AVP 3 aka AVP 2010 game as that story fits in with the first AVP as well as serving as a kinda sequel to Alien 3 (with Bishop's logs heavily referrencing Ripley's sacrifice). Think that would be a fun film.
Also, i would like an adaptation of the original 4 part AVP story by Stradley.
Quote from: Russ on Jan 31, 2014, 10:15:56 AM
That's got great potential. I don't know if I like the exploding alien, but that's just my view... the different world view from what we are used to is intriguing.
Are you going to Fan-Fiction this as a novella?
Neither do I honestly, my mind was just sparked early in the morning and I decided to write it.
I just don't like the idea of simpletons coming out and saying, "the alien's the best" or "the predator's the best!"
But I suppose the alien doesn't have to explode, it could just cripple the Predator by the Acid landing on the side without armour as it dies.
Then the Predators in the next film, could be more armoured as a result.
I want something That will stop people moaning and being judge mental yes these two Avp films has not been what you wanted but has any one considered it to be a build up to everything you really want out of the films like being in space colonial marines etc So yes I would like to see more action in the films instead of it being based on humans running away and screaming we need more queens and aliens fighting predators = EPIC but only time shall tell :)
Quote from: lee.mulford.33 on Feb 02, 2014, 08:05:11 PM
I want something That will stop people moaning and being judge mental yes these two Avp films has not been what you wanted but has any one considered it to be a build up to everything you really want out of the films like being in space colonial marines etc So yes I would like to see more action in the films instead of it being based on humans running away and screaming we need more queens and aliens fighting predators = EPIC but only time shall tell :)
That's not what makes a good movie, if anything they need to reboot AVP with the legitimacy to be it's own universe with great story and characterisation.
Quote from: The1PerfectOrganism on Feb 03, 2014, 01:14:04 AM
That's not what makes a good movie, if anything they need to reboot AVP with the legitimacy to be it's own universe with great story and characterisation.
We don't need a reboot. Hollywood is over-saturating it's audiences with reboots, if anything else.
Also, I would thin that the AvP universe is it's own universe contrary to what a lot of people out there believe. Yes, it does have ties to the first two Predator films, and the Alien films but at the same time it's a parallel universe to the Predator and Alien universes.
Having that said, the AvP movies need a retcon. The first movie is fine, but Requiem probably needs a retcon and replacement.
EDIT: OK I've refined this idea.
A team of 5 honorable predators who refuse to kill any species for the sake of killing are hired by an elder predator to rescue predators believed to be in alien hands.. Along for the ride is a 6th predator and old friend of the lead predator, this 6th predator is there to ensure the job is done right. They get dropped in the middle of a jungle environment and quickly track down the alien hive.
Spamming predator noob tubes and wiping the place out easily. Turns out the already dead captured predators are bad bloods, also the 6th predator is revealed to be a bad blood who wanted revenge on the aliens and used the honorable predators to get the job done. The honorablepredators are disgusted with the bad blood predator but agree to take him back with them.
As they head for the rendezvous point they are attacked by an unseen foe. They start to be taken out one by one with no idea who or what is hunting them. After two predators are quickly taken out the remaining predators declare that they are being hunted by a demon who makes trophies of predators and decide to make a stand. They form a variety of traps in an effort to capture the invisible hunter to no avail. One of the predators is crippled by a failed trap. One of the predators, a good friend of one of the already slain predators, goes on a frenzy trying to take out the seemingly unstoppable foe. The bad blood to restore honor decides to help out the frenzied predator but they both die gruesome deaths.
One of the honored predators decides to make a last stand in an attempt to buy time for the clan leader to carry his injured brother to safety but is easily slain. The final two predators upon hearing the death of their comrade realize they cannot outrun it and must fight. The unstoppable beast takes out the crippled predator easily. The leader predator uses his weaponry but the foe disarms him.
What ensues is a violent game of cat and mouse as the predator discovers weaknesses in it's stalker's methods. Eventually leading to an epic showdown which involves the hunter unmasking himself and revealing his true identity...
Spoiler
The demon who makes trophies of predators is ahnold. He calls the predator one ugly mother****er before they get into a bare handed fistfight and ahnold wins before the predator gets a lucky shot with a trap and ahnold is badly injured.
Ahnold cannot self terminate so he just calls for backup and a dozen more ahnolds emerge from hiding and take their wounded away. The predator is rewarded with an ancient weapon taken from fallen predators long ago and told to take it before the ahnolds leave in a space ship.
A group of bad bloods confront the the sole surviving predator who is walking off into the sunset chuckling. They declare in frustration that they came so close. He tells them that they will get another chance and the bad bloods leave.
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Feb 03, 2014, 11:24:14 PM
Quote from: The1PerfectOrganism on Feb 03, 2014, 01:14:04 AM
That's not what makes a good movie, if anything they need to reboot AVP with the legitimacy to be it's own universe with great story and characterisation.
We don't need a reboot. Hollywood is over-saturating it's audiences with reboots, if anything else.
Also, I would thin that the AvP universe is it's own universe contrary to what a lot of people out there believe. Yes, it does have ties to the first two Predator films, and the Alien films but at the same time it's a parallel universe to the Predator and Alien universes.
Having that said, the AvP movies need a retcon. The first movie is fine, but Requiem probably needs a retcon and replacement.
Why bother trying to fit around an uninspired uinverse that has terrible design elements (AR Aliens and Wrestler Predators) why cling to something mediocre if someone with a vision can re-do the entire thing remaining faithful to the original creatures and telling something with a point, not just "monster mash no.24546"
Remake Die Hard, replace John McClane with a predator, replace Hans and his men with aliens.
Remake bloodsport. Replace all characters with aliens and predators. Van Damme = young predator ready to prove himself. Replace bolo with predalien.
Remake terminator. Replace Sarah Connor and Kyle Reece with a single alien, replace terminator with predator.
Remake Rambo part 2. Replace rambo with predator, replace everyone else with Aliens.
Remake gladiator. Replace every good character with predators, Russel Crowe = predator. Replace all bad characters with aliens.
Remake Aliens, replace Colonial Marines with Predators. Replace ripley with female predator nobody respects until later.
Remake Lone Wolf McQuade, replace everyone with aliens and predators, replace chuck norris with god.
I can keep going.
You can't remake Lone Wolf McQuade. BLASPHEMY.
I actually haven't even seen it lol, I'll have to do something about that immediately.
Add to the list a remake of the ghost and the darkness except the people are vikings and the two lions are an alien and a predator who don't like each other.
Rocky IV where Rocky is a Predator and Dolph is a PredAlien.
I'm prefer a story outside earth... in some planet, which originally appears to be a large scale hunting ground.
the entire planet is hunting ground between xenomorph and several Predator's clan, who sent their representative for the game. Colonial Marine, human, doesn't know about this, and landed on the planet as this planet has similarity with earth in nature.
The climax will be battle between the yautja's clans , clash with humans, and finally they need to work together to fight their primary nemesis, the xenomorph. the Xenomorph will rely on their numbers as ussually , but I prefer that the real danger is coming from a group xenomorph drone (being a classic xenomorph) that apparently exceptional far more clever and cunning than their rigged warrior counterpart, more, every of them excell in different skill. The predator doesn't realize it, until several of their clans is massacred. In the other side , the predators who also have their main cast, a group of veteran and skilled warrior. So I want to see how they fight between a clever and cunning xenomorph versus a veteran and skilled predator in single or tag team melee combat. Too much for the predator's surprise, rather than relying on their sheer number, a single xenomorph is proved to be a match or more for a single veteran predators. For human, it will be a survival mission.
Ive thought about changing the heroes to a group of "punk" kids maybe 12-14.
For AVP2 continuity as the predator ship is flying to the crash in Gunnison a group of eggs are ejected from the damage and land in the Gulf of Mexico where they float to different areas One drifts near a female is tanning in an isolated private area where she gets facehugged. Her scene is when she is making love to her BF and he has his arms in a way she is in a sort of headlock the BF thinks her screams are from him until the spray of blood and the CB launching to his face. Another egg or two is located by a group of kids exploring and find a strange "rock" on the waters edge where the facehugging happens and the "punks" come across a little brother of one dragging the others to a clubhouse where they witness a CB and set in motion them trying to contain it when Adults dont believe them.
The ending will be at a family barn/ warehouse where a Juvenile delinquent sacrifices himself using stolen dynamite to allow his friend to escape from a Queen/ drones, But to add a possible 4th the friend may have already been facehugged or show another egg floating in the current a different beach where drug cartels are operating
Far distant future with the colonial marines and possibly a world that's been dominated by xenoes. And It would be cool if the main queen was huge. And the humans and marines would have to put aside their differences and work together.
I just want Marines, Aliens and Predators set on a LV-426 type planet. Apparently it's too hard to ask.
It's not. It's just expensive.
I've been thinking maybe an anthology film would work. Several short stories, each focusing on a different aspect of the franchises so that there's something for everyone. One story that's straight horror, another that's more action. One story can be set in the ancient past while others are set in the future. There should be at least one story with Colonial Marines because god it's been almost 30 years. The final story can then be nothing but alien vs predator action.
Just something random:
Future space, colonial marines responding to a human spacecraft disappearance. They locate the ship crashed on a distant world and investigate...
The aliens and predators are at war on some ancient tribal temple on a different world when the humans turn up. There is a clan of warrior predators, as well as an elder predator and his son both who overlook the hunt without participation. There is also a thriving hive of aliens with a queen.
The humans don't even notice the other creatures as they make their way through the setting ignorantly. They keep stumbling across already abandoned battle zones. Perhaps their team gets picked off (accidentally) one by one and have absolutely no idea what the hell is going on so they send out a distress call, however backup isn't going to arrive for a while.
The predators deem them unworthy prey and decide to focus their attention on the aliens who want to attack the humans. The aliens plans get thwarted time and again by the predators.
When the dwindling humans inadvertently corner a predator in alien territory and it is captured by the aliens, the predators rally together to wipe the humans out in their hideout in one move. The few remaining marines set up an ambush point to try and kill whatever is hunting them elsewhere. Meanwhile backup has arrived.
A weyland yutani team turn up, the leader orders the death of any human presence and capture of any alien life forms. The predators are rapidly closing in as the wy team enter the marines hideout, unbeknownst to them it is swarming with hiding aliens who have set up an ambush. There is an eery calm in anticipation of the imminent battle. At the slightest twitch the intense battle breaks out and there are massive casualties on all sides. When the few marines return to their place and find it filled with dead bodies they panic, realize the wy dropship is still available to leave with.
An elder predator and his son turn up to find the carnage and chase after the few remaining marines. The marines stumble across the queen who goes on a rampage. The queen brutally shreds apart the elder predator as the elder's son starts attacking the queen.
The marines run away as the two fight, the marines run into a last remaining weyland yutani soldiers at the dropship outside.. the wy team start attacking the marines, killing one of them. The queen suddenly turns up and starts tearing apart the wy soldiers. The young predator turns up and starts attacking as well, but the queen overpowers everything. The marines hatch some sort of plan and distract the queen while the predator sticks it's self destructing gauntlet into the queen's head, the marines use the dropship to ram the queen into the temple or some nonsense. The pilot & the installation are blown up with the queen.
The young predator nods to the surviving marines and disappears. A second dropship full of colonial marines turn up, the last two marines drop their weapons in defeat when the marines reveal they aren't working for the same weyland yutani team and offer assistance in extraction.
The young predator watches the marines leave, turns around and charges aggressively into the smouldering ruins of the temple as alien screaches can be heard.
My influence for this thought is lock stock and two smoking barrels lol.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Aug 20, 2014, 11:19:07 AM
It's not. It's just expensive.
And a fanporn idea which rarely translate to a good story, let alone a good film and/or game.
I prefer AvP2-video game-type story telling to be honest, and prefer the AvP script from the 90's (Peter Briggs) over what I read in any of the comics or have seen in the film. A little less Predator's keeping queens as live stock though, but the feel was right in my mind's eye.
In all honesty, leaving the film to mature and in the meanwhile Fox should try focus on telling a more cohesive story for Aliens, Predators and AvP, something they seem to be working on with Dark Horse anyway. Without a cohesive universe, all future films are doomed to begin with.
Quote from: skull-splitter on Oct 07, 2014, 09:03:12 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Aug 20, 2014, 11:19:07 AM
It's not. It's just expensive.
And a fanporn idea which rarely translate to a good story, let alone a good film and/or game.
Quote from: skull-splitter on Oct 07, 2014, 09:03:12 AMand prefer the AvP script from the 90's (Peter Briggs)
Which is it, fanporn or an idea you like? Because the Briggs script is what I was originally referring to in the post you quoted.
Quoteand prefer the AvP script from the 90's (Peter Briggs) over what I read in any of the comics
Briggs script was lifted straight from the original comics.
Quote from: SM on Oct 07, 2014, 09:04:57 PM
Quoteand prefer the AvP script from the 90's (Peter Briggs) over what I read in any of the comics
Briggs script was lifted straight from the original comics.
And if I'm not mistaken, the first AvP film was somewhat based on it.
Predators use pet Aliens to hunt as a right of passage, humans get caught up in between, minority girl teams up with Predator.
AvP2's greatest weakness is that it takes too much from the comics and not enough from the movies.
It lacks the serious tone of the first three Alien films.
i want the avp3 movie if they have one with no humans the aliens make a new predalien and the predalien fights the queen and kills her then a super predator has to kill the predalien before it kills the super predator clan and other predators have to kill it then a war starts.
Lots of killing going on there!
If you could be a little more descriptive (why the predalien would kill the queen? ; why just one super predator goes for the predalien?) , that would be good as a movie plot .
I think the best idea for AVP3 is to gather up all of the scripts that might be floating around, find a barrel, toss em in and light a match. A:R, AVP and AVP:R have swayed way too far into the direction of "Hollywood" movie making.
Quote from: Kimarhi on Oct 08, 2014, 11:45:26 PM
AvP2's greatest weakness is that it takes too much from the comics and not enough from the movies.
It lacks the serious tone of the first three Alien films.
If Joss Whedon wrote it, it would turn out good if they're basing it on the comic. Sadly, I don't think he could be arsed.
Check out my forum AVP setting in FURY-161 i think that would be a good idea.
For me I'd like a possible AVP3 to be set on another world, Maybe a Colony world, that finds the remains of an ancient civilisation. A civilisation that was destroyed by the Predators during one of the Seedings/Bloodings.
Then you could have Predators Seeding the planet again when they find that Colonists are on the planet. From there you could then take elements of Peter Briggs original AVP script.
That's how id do it anyway. and have some honourable and dishonourable Predators too
I wonder if AVP3 would/could work as a cgi movie?
Love it to be set in fury 161.
Quote from: THE CITY HUNTER on Sep 22, 2015, 12:25:43 PM
Love it to be set in fury 161.
That could actually work for both creatures ;D
Quote from: Spaghetti on Jun 07, 2007, 02:05:31 AM
in space...with colonial marines...is that so much to ask?
With R rated violence
A proper 18 certificate
Anyone else think the premise for Predators would be perfect for a AvP film?
Some colonial marines get dropped on the hunting preserve planet. Predators start hunting them. The marines make it to the predator ship so they can escape but they are ambushed by the Predators. During the ambush some facehuggers escape (Predators have them just laying around apparently). And viola, Solid AvP action. Predators would have to focus on killing the Aliens before the hunting preserve got overrun and the Aliens would be focused on killing/breeding and taking over the planet.
Predators was ripe for further alien interaction. We got a little from Stickman but yeah, it could have all sorts of extra-terrestrials getting involved.
Quote from: marrerom on Sep 24, 2015, 04:12:46 AM
Anyone else think the premise for Predators would be perfect for a AvP film?
Some colonial marines get dropped on the hunting preserve planet. Predators start hunting them. The marines make it to the predator ship so they can escape but they are ambushed by the Predators. During the ambush some facehuggers escape (Predators have them just laying around apparently). And viola, Solid AvP action. Predators would have to focus on killing the Aliens before the hunting preserve got overrun and the Aliens would be focused on killing/breeding and taking over the planet.
That works. It has a semblance of AVP :Duel as well. Marine working with Predator to stop the Aliens and he doesn't get killed due to the honour code
Quote from: Whiskeybrewer on Sep 24, 2015, 03:01:57 PM
Quote from: marrerom on Sep 24, 2015, 04:12:46 AM
Anyone else think the premise for Predators would be perfect for a AvP film?
Some colonial marines get dropped on the hunting preserve planet. Predators start hunting them. The marines make it to the predator ship so they can escape but they are ambushed by the Predators. During the ambush some facehuggers escape (Predators have them just laying around apparently). And viola, Solid AvP action. Predators would have to focus on killing the Aliens before the hunting preserve got overrun and the Aliens would be focused on killing/breeding and taking over the planet.
That works. It has a semblance of AVP :Duel as well. Marine working with Predator to stop the Aliens and he doesn't get killed due to the honour code
If the predators are to follow their honour code then I'm afraid that the marine won't be saved...Not if he's on the hunting preserve planet, him being there makes him "game". Him killing an Alien for example would only make his skull more valueble as a trophy.
Quote from: Milan on Sep 25, 2015, 07:15:46 AM
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Anyone else think the premise for Predators would be perfect for a AvP film?
Some colonial marines get dropped on the hunting preserve planet. Predators start hunting them. The marines make it to the predator ship so they can escape but they are ambushed by the Predators. During the ambush some facehuggers escape (Predators have them just laying around apparently). And viola, Solid AvP action. Predators would have to focus on killing the Aliens before the hunting preserve got overrun and the Aliens would be focused on killing/breeding and taking over the planet.
That works. It has a semblance of AVP :Duel as well. Marine working with Predator to stop the Aliens and he doesn't get killed due to the honour code
If the predators are to follow their honour code then I'm afraid that the marine won't be saved...Not if he's on the hunting preserve planet, him being there makes him "game". Him killing an Alien for example would only make his skull more valueble as a trophy.
That's true, I forgot the Hunting Preserve part. Would be a interesting sucker punch for some viewers to see the last marine get killed at the end of the film or it ends like Duel with the two of them sat there looking at the stars
Quote from: Whiskeybrewer on Sep 25, 2015, 10:42:45 AM
Quote from: Milan on Sep 25, 2015, 07:15:46 AM
Quote from: Whiskeybrewer on Sep 24, 2015, 03:01:57 PM
Quote from: marrerom on Sep 24, 2015, 04:12:46 AM
Anyone else think the premise for Predators would be perfect for a AvP film?
Some colonial marines get dropped on the hunting preserve planet. Predators start hunting them. The marines make it to the predator ship so they can escape but they are ambushed by the Predators. During the ambush some facehuggers escape (Predators have them just laying around apparently). And viola, Solid AvP action. Predators would have to focus on killing the Aliens before the hunting preserve got overrun and the Aliens would be focused on killing/breeding and taking over the planet.
That works. It has a semblance of AVP :Duel as well. Marine working with Predator to stop the Aliens and he doesn't get killed due to the honour code
If the predators are to follow their honour code then I'm afraid that the marine won't be saved...Not if he's on the hunting preserve planet, him being there makes him "game". Him killing an Alien for example would only make his skull more valueble as a trophy.
That's true, I forgot the Hunting Preserve part. Would be a interesting sucker punch for some viewers to see the last marine get killed at the end of the film or it ends like Duel with the two of them sat there looking at the stars
...But if the Marine was sick, like had cancer or something, that would make the Predator look at him in a different set of eyes, specially if the Marine takes down an Alien or two on his own. So a Team-up could be made to work, if the ppl involved makeing the movie only took a little of their time to learn a little about the creature.
Quote from: Milan on Sep 25, 2015, 12:39:57 PM
Quote from: Whiskeybrewer on Sep 25, 2015, 10:42:45 AM
Quote from: Milan on Sep 25, 2015, 07:15:46 AM
Quote from: Whiskeybrewer on Sep 24, 2015, 03:01:57 PM
Quote from: marrerom on Sep 24, 2015, 04:12:46 AM
Anyone else think the premise for Predators would be perfect for a AvP film?
Some colonial marines get dropped on the hunting preserve planet. Predators start hunting them. The marines make it to the predator ship so they can escape but they are ambushed by the Predators. During the ambush some facehuggers escape (Predators have them just laying around apparently). And viola, Solid AvP action. Predators would have to focus on killing the Aliens before the hunting preserve got overrun and the Aliens would be focused on killing/breeding and taking over the planet.
That works. It has a semblance of AVP :Duel as well. Marine working with Predator to stop the Aliens and he doesn't get killed due to the honour code
If the predators are to follow their honour code then I'm afraid that the marine won't be saved...Not if he's on the hunting preserve planet, him being there makes him "game". Him killing an Alien for example would only make his skull more valueble as a trophy.
That's true, I forgot the Hunting Preserve part. Would be a interesting sucker punch for some viewers to see the last marine get killed at the end of the film or it ends like Duel with the two of them sat there looking at the stars
...But if the Marine was sick, like had cancer or something, that would make the Predator look at him in a different set of eyes, specially if the Marine takes down an Alien or two on his own. So a Team-up could be made to work, if the ppl involved makeing the movie only took a little of their time to learn a little about the creature.
That's true, the Predator could then see it as the Marines final hunt
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Quote from: THE CITY HUNTER on Sep 22, 2015, 12:25:43 PM
Love it to be set in fury 161.
That could actually work for both creatures ;D
Check out my forum AVP setting in Fury 161(AVP section)
At this point in time, you gotta go with the engineer concept.
You can put in a predator or a group of predators in the main role,
and insert some humans but only as supporting roles.
I would go for an engineer facility with the full Giger stuff,
make the opening of the movie that predators engage the facility and scope it out,
we see some interesting things and no doubt with questions.
Then the terror of the engineers or maybe one engineer begins on the predators,
a brutal kill of a predator by an egineer is shown and eventually wiping them all out.
Next up is years later, and a human group finds the facility, they think its left behind, start doing their research and setting up camps,
one of them finds some predator remains and activates a beacon or just activates the arm and the signal is being picked up by other predators who go and investigate.
They find empty human camps with some hiding around, they go further into the facility and finding or one or more engineers experimenting or doing sick things to humans, and at one point they see a human being showerd with the black goo and turning into something...
They also find some facehuggers, different kinds and different colors, maybe at one point a predator takes on of them and drops it on a human and later on offcourse something totally different comes out of the human, because the predator picked a green or black facehugger, what comes out im keeping it to me atm.
Quote from: Infected on Oct 11, 2015, 02:00:26 PM
At this point in time, you gotta go with the engineer concept.
You can put in a predator or a group of predators in the main role,
and insert some humans but only as supporting roles.
I would go for an engineer facility with the full Giger stuff,
make the opening of the movie that predators engage the facility and scope it out,
we see some interesting things and no doubt with questions.
Then the terror of the engineers or maybe one engineer begins on the predators,
a brutal kill of a predator by an egineer is shown and eventually wiping them all out.
Next up is years later, and a human group finds the facility, they think its left behind, start doing their research and setting up camps,
one of them finds some predator remains and activates a beacon or just activates the arm and the signal is being picked up by other predators who go and investigate.
They find empty human camps with some hiding around, they go further into the facility and finding or one or more engineers experimenting or doing sick things to humans, and at one point they see a human being showerd with the black goo and turning into something...
They also find some facehuggers, different kinds and different colors, maybe at one point a predator takes on of them and drops it on a human and later on offcourse something totally different comes out of the human, because the predator picked a green or black facehugger, what comes out im keeping it to me atm.
I like the idea of seeing Predators interact with other aliens such as the Engineers, so seeing more of their battles is always welcome by me.
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Quote from: Infected on Oct 11, 2015, 02:00:26 PM
At this point in time, you gotta go with the engineer concept.
You can put in a predator or a group of predators in the main role,
and insert some humans but only as supporting roles.
I would go for an engineer facility with the full Giger stuff,
make the opening of the movie that predators engage the facility and scope it out,
we see some interesting things and no doubt with questions.
Then the terror of the engineers or maybe one engineer begins on the predators,
a brutal kill of a predator by an egineer is shown and eventually wiping them all out.
Next up is years later, and a human group finds the facility, they think its left behind, start doing their research and setting up camps,
one of them finds some predator remains and activates a beacon or just activates the arm and the signal is being picked up by other predators who go and investigate.
They find empty human camps with some hiding around, they go further into the facility and finding or one or more engineers experimenting or doing sick things to humans, and at one point they see a human being showerd with the black goo and turning into something...
They also find some facehuggers, different kinds and different colors, maybe at one point a predator takes on of them and drops it on a human and later on offcourse something totally different comes out of the human, because the predator picked a green or black facehugger, what comes out im keeping it to me atm.
I like the idea of seeing Predators interact with other aliens such as the Engineers, so seeing more of their battles is always welcome by me.
And does it matter to you if it was an Prometheus engineer or a an Alien space jockey undefined engineer?
Quote from: Infected on Oct 11, 2015, 05:21:37 PM
And does it matter to you if it was an Prometheus engineer or a an Alien space jockey undefined engineer?
They're the same thing atm. :P
I really want to see the Predators interact (on screen) with different Alien species. But I want them to do Alien vs. Predator right first!
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Oct 12, 2015, 09:56:25 AM
Quote from: Infected on Oct 11, 2015, 05:21:37 PM
And does it matter to you if it was an Prometheus engineer or a an Alien space jockey undefined engineer?
They're the same thing atm. :P
I really want to see the Predators interact (on screen) with different Alien species. But I want them to do Alien vs. Predator right first!
Same here.
I only wonder how one could make the both creatures feel right, I want the Predator to be the bad guy even when there are aliens present, I'm not totally against a team-up but right now I feel that, if it's put in a movie that it should be some special circumstances behind it. A human killing an alien isn't one of those. Revenge caused by betrayal might be a good way to handle it...I think
I did an article earlier this year about my take on an AvP film - http://www.avpgalaxy.net/website/articles/you-are-one-ugly-motherfu-my-wishlist-for-the-next-alien-vs-predator-film/
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Oct 13, 2015, 10:11:21 AM
I did an article earlier this year about my take on an AvP film - http://www.avpgalaxy.net/website/articles/you-are-one-ugly-motherfu-my-wishlist-for-the-next-alien-vs-predator-film/
Yes a very well done article that was the first thing i saw when i joined the website and i wanted to do an Article on AVP isolation :D
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Oct 13, 2015, 10:11:21 AM
I did an article earlier this year about my take on an AvP film - http://www.avpgalaxy.net/website/articles/you-are-one-ugly-motherfu-my-wishlist-for-the-next-alien-vs-predator-film/
Nice!
But looking at it in my perspective, i dont think the predators would ever go into a space battle with the humans,
because they would be far superior and could take out a human armada with only one ship and that sounds to me that it goes into their nature.
And although the zero gravity battle sounds nice, i would rather see it between some aliens and humans/marines not only could this be as epic as the underwater scene in Alien: Resurrection (although the movie is crap that was nice) but could be a very cool way to show of the intelligence of the marines and the aliens, and offcourse maybe put in a predator to watch it all from a side.
I dont think predators would go into battle in a cold spaceship, they would immediately activate their arm nuke in my opinion, same as AVP that they never would go into a very very cold place, i grew up with the fact that predators only operate in very hot/warm areas.
and maybe near a warm place like on Hadley's Hope near the core, but evading corridors when come in contact with aliens.
And another thing is the superior alien breeding, they cannot mix with a predator nor can they be mixed with an engineer,
if it did happen then you would have had a inferior being, because xeno's are made to be mixed and created out of humans,
if you mix them with an engineer you get like the Deacon, a xeno without a killing jaw, same as with the predator you would have had a xeno that was born but looked like a freak and really only able to crawl or walk at the most,
scratch the predalien junk.
Excuse my bad English and writing,
now i go read your page 2 of your wishings :D
I think i fully agree with you on that page.
Predator the movie was build on script and then a lot of one liners came in and the though guys in the movie dared to express themselves, these movies now the one liners are already inserted into the script so they work towards it it doenst surprise you,
it doesnt do anything, its fake!
and evolution of humans and preds when going up against each other is a must,
lets say a predator goes into an area where the xeno is king the predator will have tech that will help him from whats going on around him, its like with our cars when we put it in reverse the back cam goes on, at one shoulder a cannon and on the other a detector or a 360 camera that picks up everything around him and warns him of movement like a cheat detector with online gaming like its not to set off when a leave falls off but gives him a warning of like a percentage of movement ok im going way too far in the tech stuff.
Same as with the marines, they know what they are up against so they get trained for that.
Elder predators talking to engineer leaders about politics and maybe some deals or maybe a bigger enemy besides the humans and on the other hand they are fighting each other,
same as whats going on with us in the world
It all needs to step up a notch
anyway thinking of all this, they need more then a xeno, engineers need to be in it and in an AVP movie where action will be a must.
its gonna be really hard to pull of a good AVP movie.
And yes i still believe in this franchise.
Oh yeah and no team ups
I've got an idea, which I think would work. Humans are always worse than the monsters they've created, or encounter. Or the monster is a punishment for their sin of hubris in the face of God. The golden rules of horror; Alien, Jurassic Park, Godzilla, etc etc.
So, you'd want the humans to be worse than the Aliens and the Predators. Disrespecting the natural order, playing God, that's worse than anything they do. We kill our own for a goddamn percentage.
So, the thrust of my idea: The story would center around an experiment in the Weyland-Yutani bio-weapons division.
Unwitting Marines are impregnated with a weaponised equivalent to a face-hug. Airborne spores. The hero has a ticking clock, the experiment results in carnage. The aliens, unexpectedly, attract a group of Predators.
Long story short, you have the Aliens and Predators wiped out, and end up with human equivalents representing each side; a Marine using Predator Tech from a fallen Predator, and a human villain; a company mastermind who has enhanced himself with Alien DNA. A dangerous psychopath who wants to be the perfect organism. And is capable of taking down a few Predators himself!
I think it could be quite cool. Humans aren't reduced to fodder, or spectators, they really tie-in to the battle, and effectively become the creatures. Reminiscent of sort of a Blomkamp/Rodriguez take.
I'm not too keen on the idea of spores (William Gibson tried it for Alien 3 and it wasn't great in that script) but I do quite like the idea of someone toying with their own DNA. I'd love to see a more humaniod biomechanical featured in the cinematic universe. Get Sil's species involved. :laugh: I enjoyed the concept in Fire and Stone aside from the later rambling he went through.
So basically an AvP story where the Aliens and Predators barely feature.
No thanks. Had too many comics go down that path; it's not satisfying.
Quote from: jimmylace on May 07, 2016, 03:24:47 PM
We kill our own for a goddamn percentage.
A percentage of what? ???
He's referencing Aliens. :P
Honestly, I think the best choice is to either reboot (the AVP films, not the series from which they originate) or just set it so far into the future they can just go without mentioning the other two.
Why not a team up movie?
Remake under seige and recast Seagal as the predator and have an alien jump out of the birthday cake. Keep Tommy Lee Jones and Gary Busey though.
And the Predators arc is that he's a disgraced hunter forced to be a cook, but now he has a chance to shine. I love it, but only if we keep the scene where Busey dresses up as a woman.
Re: Unused Alien Film Pitch
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 30, 2016, 10:42:14 AM
Peter Briggs (writer of the first AvP film script) just shared this anecdote on Facebook:
QuoteSome (gosh) 20 years ago, a fellow writer (now director, with several critically lauded films with A-list talent under his belt) earnestly told me his pitch for an Alien movie. He was being quite serious, and said that it involved Aliens and time travel and mutating dinosaurs. He genuinely thought this was a good idea, and couldn't understand my point of view that he didn't have a clue about what makes an Alien movie work.
I had a hilarious mental image of what my friend's "vision" would look like. Today I found this. Yep. Oh, the hilarity.
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When he says mutating dinosaurs, I'm guessing that what he actually means is giant mutant Aliens derived from dinosaur hosts.
It's easy to laugh at such ideas, but look at this.
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Notice the Smilodon skull on the lower right? I like that. I could go for an AVP film set on a prehistoric world. How does this world exist? I don't know! But imagine a group of Colonial Marines stranded on this planet with limited ammo, fighting off everything from pterodactyls to saber toothed cats, all the while being stalked by Predators. They find an ancient pyramid and think they can take refuge inside but, goddammit, Aliens!
I know we fans want our Alien movies to be
serious damnit, but an AvPvDvCM movie would really sell some popcorn. Plus it would settle the very important Queen vs T-Rex debate.
So maybe this guy's core idea is viable; it's just his approach that's wrong. You don't need time travel to get dinosaurs, and you don't need Dinosaur-Aliens when your movie already has both. It's redundant.
As opposed to Brigg's idea for jump scares with Penguins, bullet time facehuggers and the lead female stabbing the Alien queen....
That was Anderson. Briggs' script was never filmed.
Ah, I stand corrected.
f**k you Anderson
QuoteBut looking at it in my perspective, i dont think the predators would ever go into a space battle with the humans,
because they would be far superior and could take out a human armada with only one ship and that sounds to me that it goes into their nature.
The Predators would indeed have a huge advantage, but that how it should be. A single hunter can take out a dozen soldiers in a typical workday, so I would expect that correlation in a larger scale battle. It wouldn't go against their nature.
The Sulaco would probably be toast because it's such a big target, but multiple dropships maneuvering to take out a single Predator ship would be fun to watch.
As entertaining as AvPvDvCM would be... I could only see it working as an episode of an avp tv series rather then a feature film. It sounds too much like a throwaway entry to be a big budget theatrically released movie.
I could live with a literal adaptation of the first AVP series, but that is the basic premise of the AVP film and that didn't turn out too well. But I think the atmosphere on Ryushi would really add to a film version. I'm just imagining a Tattoine vibe, especially with the twin suns. It really could be good. But I'm actually more inclined to just abandon the whole AVP idea. Predators and Engineers don't mix. It's like rednecks and opera-goers.
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Jul 23, 2016, 06:04:27 AM
I could live with a literal adaptation of the first AVP series,
This.
Quote from: Spoon on Jun 06, 2007, 08:27:58 PM
I want an avp movie set on different planet with no HUMANS.
Or with humans set in future. I guess you have to have humans.. So future.
personally that's how the avp movie should've been, I read all the comics and novels back in the 90's and they were far better than the 2 movies we got
QuoteI want an avp movie set on different planet with no HUMANS.
Why? Just WHY?!
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This is such a huge consensus with the fans that it is almost natural. The film will suffer so much if there is no human characters. This is a major Strausism in which the characters were undermined because they were under the impression that aliens and predators fighting is what the audience came to see. Maybe a twenty minute low production film on Youtube would be good for this but not a 120 minute theatrical release.
The reason why it works in the comics is because they are less than 30 pages long and are usually viewed by either comic book enthusiasts or AvP fans.
To make AvP work you have to take the idea of the Pyramids and that the Preds aways knowing of the Xenos and throw it in the trash. Afterall, teh Xenos are supposely Weapons made by an Ancient Race, right?
They should make a movie from the first enconter of the two beasts.
QuoteThey should make a movie from the first enconter of the two beasts.
Would human characters be involved in this movie?
Quote from: Kelgaard on Nov 08, 2016, 12:26:04 AM
QuoteThey should make a movie from the first enconter of the two beasts.
Would human characters be involved in this movie?
No need to, but would be better to tell the story
Quote from: blood. on Feb 04, 2014, 08:11:09 AM
EDIT: OK I've refined this idea.
A team of 5 honorable predators who refuse to kill any species for the sake of killing are hired by an elder predator to rescue predators believed to be in alien hands.. Along for the ride is a 6th predator and old friend of the lead predator, this 6th predator is there to ensure the job is done right. They get dropped in the middle of a jungle environment and quickly track down the alien hive.
Spamming predator noob tubes and wiping the place out easily. Turns out the already dead captured predators are bad bloods, also the 6th predator is revealed to be a bad blood who wanted revenge on the aliens and used the honorable predators to get the job done. The honorablepredators are disgusted with the bad blood predator but agree to take him back with them.
As they head for the rendezvous point they are attacked by an unseen foe. They start to be taken out one by one with no idea who or what is hunting them. After two predators are quickly taken out the remaining predators declare that they are being hunted by a demon who makes trophies of predators and decide to make a stand. They form a variety of traps in an effort to capture the invisible hunter to no avail. One of the predators is crippled by a failed trap. One of the predators, a good friend of one of the already slain predators, goes on a frenzy trying to take out the seemingly unstoppable foe. The bad blood to restore honor decides to help out the frenzied predator but they both die gruesome deaths.
One of the honored predators decides to make a last stand in an attempt to buy time for the clan leader to carry his injured brother to safety but is easily slain. The final two predators upon hearing the death of their comrade realize they cannot outrun it and must fight. The unstoppable beast takes out the crippled predator easily. The leader predator uses his weaponry but the foe disarms him.
What ensues is a violent game of cat and mouse as the predator discovers weaknesses in it's stalker's methods. Eventually leading to an epic showdown which involves the hunter unmasking himself and revealing his true identity...
Spoiler
The demon who makes trophies of predators is ahnold. He calls the predator one ugly mother****er before they get into a bare handed fistfight and ahnold wins before the predator gets a lucky shot with a trap and ahnold is badly injured.
Ahnold cannot self terminate so he just calls for backup and a dozen more ahnolds emerge from hiding and take their wounded away. The predator is rewarded with an ancient weapon taken from fallen predators long ago and told to take it before the ahnolds leave in a space ship.
A group of bad bloods confront the the sole surviving predator who is walking off into the sunset chuckling. They declare in frustration that they came so close. He tells them that they will get another chance and the bad bloods leave.
I still think this is the way to go.
Is it easy, i dont get how they did the two terrible movies they made, first of all, it needs to be in the future, it needs to be in some isolated claustrophobic location, maybe in a distant planet, like the Jungle, Nostromo, Acheron, the Prison, the Auriga, and the city of LA, then we need GOOD characters that we are interested in and have an arc, because, and this is the most important part, THE MONSTERS HAVE TO BE SECONDARY, that is the main point of Alien and Predator, they have to be a personification of the themes, not the focal point, it needs to be suspenseful, very realistic, dark, adult, and sci fi, and thematically, it needs to be a batle of the sexes, two protagonists, one female and one male, all of that is pretty much the standard rules to follow to make a GOOD AVP movie, so basic and simple yet so ignored, that is why i am making my own story that could be AVP
Quote from: blood. on Nov 08, 2016, 07:00:36 AMsdfgdssdgsdfgsdgfsdfsdfgodlyhood
THIS. This is the most amazing thing I have ever read.
Give the Alien prequels & predator reboot a chance and maybe in 10-15 years, maybe Fox can use whatever elements of those films with the comics also.
Maybe it's one of those adaptions that can't translate to film; we'll see.... ;)
Quote from: g2vd on Dec 14, 2016, 12:20:42 AM
Quote from: blood. on Nov 08, 2016, 07:00:36 AMsdfgdssdgsdfgsdgfsdfsdfgodlyhood
THIS. This is the most amazing thing I have ever read.
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(Not laughing at the idea, just g2vd's perversion of the entire quote, it was so sudden and came out of nowhere ROFL!)
lmao! who wouldn't want to see arnold hunt down a group of predators one by one :laugh: :-X
*Let me tell you what I DON'T want to see:
PG Rating
Human Predator Team Ups
Bulky Line Backer Predators
Fake looking Predator Faces
"Super" Predators
Pyramids
Quote from: Jeri on Dec 24, 2016, 05:23:05 PM
Give the Alien prequels & predator reboot a chance and maybe in 10-15 years, maybe Fox can use whatever elements of those films with the comics also.
Maybe it's one of those adaptions that can't translate to film; we'll see.... ;)
if they make a new AVP, they need to use only, and ONLY, the 6 Alien/Predator movies, maybe some stuff from Prometheus when the trilogy is complete, but they have to use nothing of the games, comics, etcetera, only what the movies show and is canon
Quote from: cheachea on Dec 27, 2016, 11:07:55 PM
*Let me tell you what I DON'T want to see:
PG Rating
Human Predator Team Ups
Bulky Line Backer Predators
Fake looking Predator Faces
"Super" Predators
Pyramids
Don't forget the Predalien that looks more like a Pred than a Xeno and making the Xenos harmless and weak.
I actually don't mind the human/predator team up as long as it makes sense. AVP executed it terribly, the girl (I forget her name honestly) wasn't a warrior of any kind, she only killed on alien if I remember correctly.
As far as the pred alien goes in appearance I think AVP2010 did it the best. I don't think the pred alien should inherit the dread locks, but you can barely notice them in game.
Quote from: JokersWarPig on Jan 05, 2017, 03:20:36 PM
I actually don't mind the human/predator team up as long as it makes sense. AVP executed it terribly, the girl (I forget her name honestly) wasn't a warrior of any kind, she only killed on alien if I remember correctly.
And it was a fluke. Yeah, I don't mind the team-up as long as it's pulled off well. It isn't in Anderson's AvP. Lex didn't come across as any kind of formidable character that deserved the Predator's respect.
The Alien just threw itself at her and she got lucky and grabbed the combistick. Hardy qualifies as a skilled warrior.
In the comic that relationship took a large chunk of the comic to build up. Broken Tusk being saved by the colonists, and then BT saving the colonists from one of his rogue students. Plus the whole "hunt" going way out of control.
Even then, though, i'm not entirely sure what possessed the writers of the original AVP to turn the Predator's into anti-heroes. I mean, yeah, they're on this side of Jason Voorhees in terms of how well they can relate to us, but that doesn't mean they would stoop to siding with us. They blow themselves up when they lose.
With all that sad, I would not mind if they actually adapted the comic. I like the original comic a lot. As far as Alien and Predator comics go it's right near the top.
I wouldn't mind one based on "Chained to Life and Death" either. Greatly expanded, of course. The idea of an Elder Predator setting up an attempted suicide hunt would make for a great setup.
First thing's first: completely disregard the first two movies. Reference the books and comics and games all you want, but the films never happened. Now, here's my idea: We follow a team of Colonial Marines sent to investigate a colony that went dark a week ago. Make the marines likable through dialogue, like the ones from Aliens or the original Predator. Then, as the marines investigate the colony, they find it was built over the ancient hunting grounds the Predators would use to hunt the Aliens. A Predator hunting party arrives after this revelation and the Marines have to try and survive as the Predators and Aliens duke it out. Maybe have the leader of the unit work alongside the Predators, maybe after they see him kill a few Aliens and view him as worthy of not getting killed. final confrontation would be the Marines (or what's left of them) trying to escape the colony as the Predator fights the Alien queen. Alien vs Predator as a concept is just a huge fan jerk off sesh. Treat it as such. Don't have it fly into parody, but have some goddamn fun with the concept
I remember being super surprised how little fun I had with Alien vs Predator Requiem, and that movie has an alien-predator hybrid for f**ks sake!
Do the predators coincidentally turn up while the aliens and colonial marines are getting frisky or is there an event that triggers their arrival?
I still think the Queen is alive.
Frozen by the cold depths but since we know xenomorphs are resilient I could easily see her in a coma type state at the bottom of the ocean--almost like megatron when he was dumped.
Perhaps the film opens up with a skilled team retrieving her, maybe the same people who have the Predator technology from AVP:R?
Keep it in Comic form. This should never be made into another movie. Ever
An agricultural colony (call it LV-87 or LV-79) with animals that humans have transported so that they can procreate and survive. A cornucopia of possible Xeno variations (Baboon Alien, Bull Alien, etc.) that the Predator has to deal with. Smugglers have ransacked the colony and the hot summer months of this planet are at its peak. One of the smugglers finds a cavern with a Xenomorph egg inside and all hell breaks loose (just have a few and the sequel can deal with where they came from and world build). A Yautja arrives to hunt and has to deal with the surprising annoyance of a Xenomorph outbreak while he's hunting.
Keep it simple and focused. A Deadpool-sized budget and a competent action director. And a solid R rating.
Quote from: Mr. Xenomorph on Jun 29, 2017, 09:37:19 PM
An agricultural colony (call it LV-87 or LV-79) with animals that humans have transported so that they can procreate and survive. A cornucopia of possible Xeno variations (Baboon Alien, Bull Alien, etc.) that the Predator has to deal with. Smugglers have ransacked the colony and the hot summer months of this planet are at its peak. One of the smugglers finds a cavern with a Xenomorph egg inside and all hell breaks loose (just have a few and the sequel can deal with where they came from and world build). A Yautja arrives to hunt and has to deal with the surprising annoyance of a Xenomorph outbreak while he's hunting.
Keep it simple and focused. A Deadpool-sized budget and a competent action director. And a solid R rating.
I agree with this. If AVP is made, it needs to be set in the future. They should also state that it's not canon in the alien and predator series. Make it a good, solid R-rated action movie like Dredd. And don't have a hack write the script, either.
Quote from: Mr. Xenomorph on Jun 29, 2017, 09:37:19 PM
An agricultural colony (call it LV-87 or LV-79) with animals that humans have transported so that they can procreate and survive. A cornucopia of possible Xeno variations (Baboon Alien, Bull Alien, etc.) that the Predator has to deal with. Smugglers have ransacked the colony and the hot summer months of this planet are at its peak. One of the smugglers finds a cavern with a Xenomorph egg inside and all hell breaks loose (just have a few and the sequel can deal with where they came from and world build). A Yautja arrives to hunt and has to deal with the surprising annoyance of a Xenomorph outbreak while he's hunting.
I would love to eventually see several different variations of the adult Alien together on-screen (I'm not counting Chet or the Queen). I do think that if we get another AvP it wouldn't be a massive budget, though, so I can't imagine we'd get anything like that.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jun 30, 2017, 07:59:19 AM
Quote from: Mr. Xenomorph on Jun 29, 2017, 09:37:19 PM
An agricultural colony (call it LV-87 or LV-79) with animals that humans have transported so that they can procreate and survive. A cornucopia of possible Xeno variations (Baboon Alien, Bull Alien, etc.) that the Predator has to deal with. Smugglers have ransacked the colony and the hot summer months of this planet are at its peak. One of the smugglers finds a cavern with a Xenomorph egg inside and all hell breaks loose (just have a few and the sequel can deal with where they came from and world build). A Yautja arrives to hunt and has to deal with the surprising annoyance of a Xenomorph outbreak while he's hunting.
I would love to eventually see several different variations of the adult Alien together on-screen (I'm not counting Chet or the Queen). I do think that if we get another AvP it wouldn't be a massive budget, though, so I can't imagine we'd get anything like that.
You never know. It depends on how much money they save on set design and how many practical effects they use. If it's an agricultural colony you just need open space and a few interiors. Predators pulled that off with a $40 million budget. If it had a Deadpool budget of $60 - $65 million, I think that they can pull something like that off.
I saw a fan film of AVP the other day on YouTube. It was short, had cruddy effects and was made for no money, but I enjoyed it more than both of the AVP movies, because it was what I wanted to see - Xenos and Preds in space on the Sulacco. If someone can do that for peanuts, then there's no reason why Hollywood can't.
Was it Redemption? The guy who made that is toying with doing another one.
http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=56065.0
Yes! I freakin' loved it.
My idea is we should deviate from Earth and took a place on a new planet. The story should be the Predators hunted the Military personnel on the planet but because of some breach the previously static Xenomorph in a hidden chamber started to wreak havoc. This time there's no "Enemy of my enemy is my friend", and this is a kill or be killed world. I would love the Predalien return and maybe the Runner. I would like a team up of the Drone and Warrior caste.
I agree with the statement that the Marines must be likeable and not a cardboard character. The Aliens also must to be a serious threat and even made the things worsen, like killing a few Predators or impregnate them. The ending should be the Alien conquers the planet, but at the stake of losing their Queen in an airstrike, the Predators left the planet because of being outnumbered and seeking a new hunt, and the Marines with some survive and returned to Earth, maybe with a twist that one of them is the host of the Queen.
My suggestion is there are epic battles of Drone or Warrior vs Predator, and many of them , not just one epic Predalien or Queen fight. I think this should be rated R. The Predator design should follow Anytime's design or Pussyface's.
Something close to Aliens but add 3 predators who are hunting a hive for a queen trophy so they can become clan leaders. But the suspense level needs to be WAYYYYYYYY up like in alien and predator. Not see them a whole lot along with the xenos. The other movies showed too much of them and it took away from who they are if you asked me. didn't make them seem that scary. But the twist of the tail is no human survives.
Think about it we loved hicks ( #hicks&2pacarealiveincuba) and ripley and in the movie you sort of know they will live and it seems in EVERY predator movie the pred dies.... Welp..... Predators win killing off the last human and clamming them as a trophy. movie ends with the head of hero being mounted on the trophy wall. imagine that reaction when the credits roll. Would make everyone watching the movie have a new perspective on who the "good guys" really were in the movie.
My idea, wish I could sell it or have it looked at, if good enough.
AVP 3: Survival
preparing the hunt
First you see the predator home planet with predators stacking up their scout ship with many eggs and creatures as hosts, all in containment units set to open when the predators leave. One of the eggs is an Alien Queen which is vital for their hunt so her unit will open first. They travel to an unknown planet with a huge cave and many passages in a rocky mountain. Other creatures are seen near the cave so they too will will become hosts.
They set down the eggs and the creatures in the center of the huge cave so they can come back to hunt for another time.
From an outpost further away from the cave picked up a signal when the Predator scout ship landed. Two workers Taylor and Bob from the outpost go to investigate the unknown signal that they picked up where their scout ship landed using a buggy. They travel out to a big cave and spot the Predators spaceship. They climb on a ledge away from the huge cave as they see the Predators carrying big containments into it. They wonder what the Predators were doing and Taylor stumbles slightly on a rock and some fall down. One Predator turns suddenly and spots them. Taylor and Bob make a run for it back to the buggy and drive as fast as they can to the outpost but the Predator fires a shoulder cannon at the buggy making it turn tumbling a few times from the impact. Both men are are badly hurt from the crash but Bob manages to escape the buggy running but the predator wrist blades him. You then see Taylor trapped inside calling for Bobs help. Then the Predator grabs him dragging him out. He takes Taylor into the cave and drops him onto the floor next to the eggs containing the Queen. Before the Predators leave one of the Predators climbs above the entrance and marks a symbol in the crust to show the other Predators who'll be hunting to show this is their ground. The Predators head back into the scout ship and fly away.
Inside the cave all the containments open and the creatures walk out then Taylor looks behind him and sees the egg sack open and others around. A face hugger jumps at him he yells as it attaches itself to his face.
Workers from the outpost travel to see where Bob and Taylor are. They find the buggy which had crashed and see Bob hanged upside down skinned near it. They can only look in shock, Taylor's body was never found. They contact the main colony on the planet near them, their told to evacuate the outpost as marines are on there way to take over.
Signal spotted
On another planet next to the unknown one are based a colony. Their expecting a visit from the marine core to investigate the predator spaceship signal which was picked up by outpost's satellite. The marines finally arrive in a similar ship to the one in Resurrection, they call it mother ship. They travel down to the Colony to be briefed in a shuttle like the drop ship in Aliens but with a more futuristic look. By this time the eggs on the colonies second planet have now found their hosts and a Queen has been made laying more eggs.
There told about the signal but not about the killings. As the marines make their final check there told they have two colony workers that will assist them down since they worked on the planet and know the area. One is Carla quite tough and dedicated to her work and the other Richard which isn't tough and reluctant to go and acts like an asshole most of the time which no one likes. He thinks if he goes he might get promoted always challenging Carla since she is very good at her work and the colony bosses respect her loads. Ryder one of the main mail characters takes an interest into Carla but she's seems more interested in her work and finding out about the signal on the planet. Sparks a black American which is another main character and quite funny at times tries it on with Carla but she has none of it and walks away.
Ryder " Your Sparks aren't firing today maybe next time"
Sparks "what ever man, she wants me" looking a bit annoyed.
Predators prepare for battle
By now two elite predators get ready for the hunt one has a Celtic mask and the other a sharp menacing look to it. They both get on the scout ship and sent to the planet now infested with aliens. The predator scout ship drops them from space ready and armed one after the other. The marines have finally landed on the colony being briefed and head off to the unknown planet where the last signal had been spotted. There told if anything was to go badly wrong there's an old outpost with a complex which is not used anymore near the destination point. Once the marines have landed on the planet they start to explore the vast landscapes with rocky mountains and no other creatures are seen. They stand on a hill side and marvel at the view similar to Stargate with planets that look very close in the sky.
Sparks "have you ever seen such a beautiful view"
Ryder "maybe"
As he looks at Carla who looks a bit taken back but in a nice way and smiles slightly. The sergeant tells him to concentrate in a firm voice.
A marine named Thugs holds a electronic monitor which shows where there destination point is. Once they have checked the area so its safe they use the armoured car and travel straight to it. They use a different rout getting to the cave as they are told to go a back rout to come behind there destination point if they come under attack from anything.
As the predators reach the cave they realise there not the only ones who have landed as they see the marines drop ship land from a distance. Celtic Predator signals to the other to go and investigate so know one can track them down. He does and works his way to there drop ship not seeing the other marines as they took a different rout to him. Sharp Predator soon takes the pilots out in Predator style with one wondering around outside. He splunges his spear straight into one pilot as blood squirts out of him.
The other pilot inside comes out to see where the other one is he gets wrist blades through his body as Sharp predator lifts him up. He uses his shoulder cannon to destroy the drop ship and heads on back to the cave to do battle. Sharp Predator returns back to the cave.
Danger ahead
Back to the marines which have reached their destination point and spotted the predator pods which they came down in and wonder what they are. They notice a huge rocky mountain above with a symbol on it which the predators made to mark their hunting ground and they head straight for it. They leave the armoured car just below the entrance further down with there driver who will wait for them to return. As the marines climb higher they reach the entrance unawhere what dangers lies ahead.
Celtic Predator had already entered the entrance a while before and takes one of the corridors exploring the cave and its passages heading for the main part where the queen has nested her eggs. The nearer you get to the nest the more corridors have been altered to the aliens structure like in aliens where they sleep. The marines enter the huge cave and start to explore and split up into two groups down each corridor. Richard now having a few arguments with Carla and goes with the sergeant thinking he will have a better chance of surviving if he sticks with him. Carla now liking Ryder more follows him Sparks, Thugs and Blake a big marine , also another marines named Styles.
Thugs "thank god we don't have to put up with that asshole any more".
Sparks " Yeah it was about time I was about to use my rifle first on him".
Ryder "lets keep going marines".
Sharp Predator tracks back to the cave and sees there armoured car. He jumps on top of it and the driver inside comes outside to see what the noise was with a pulse rifle. He sees Sharp predator and starts firing but Sharp Predator uses his Spear gun and kills him. Sharp Predator then returns to the cave to begin his hunt.
The battle begins
The sergeants team gets further in as they notice the walls looking more alien like and wonder what the hell it is.
Richard "don't ask me"
sergeant "do you know anything".
Richard looks annoyed. One of the marines spot a figure near them on his tracker. They look up and see Celtic Predator right above them on another level. He immediately uses his clocking devise and fires a net weapon at one pinning him to the wall. The marines start firing at him and the nest awakens. Groups of warrior aliens crawl slowly along the walls nearer to the marines as they start to surround them from every where . They first attack Celtic Predator and tumbles him over in another part of the cave. His cloaking devise turns off as he truffles with dozens of aliens being ambushed. He puts up a good fight taking out some chucking them against the walls as it crumbles and slicing them with his wrist blades. He finishes off the aliens around him badly hurt from a head bite to the body and then cloaks himself from being spotted by any more marines and disappears.
The aliens now focus on the marines grabbing one taking him into the shadow yelling and then the other warrior aliens attack the rest of the marines. They take some aliens out but panic and run further down the corridors. The sergeant in charge tries to keep them organised but there's only chaos. Richard stays near the sergeant as he tries contacting the other group warning them and trying to get reinforcements as each one of his men get taken out one at a time.
sergeant "Do you read me were under attack from something, we need help"
Ryder "serge your breaking up I cant hear you"
sergeant "god damn connection"
The signals to bad to communicate. A warrior aliens creeps behind him and then using its head-bite killing him. Richard panics and runs further down as yells and other marines die from all over. He thinks he's safe but two warrior aliens climb out of the wall on either side. He looks terrified as they go for him and then just a big scream as they kill him.
Last group of marines
Ryder and the rest tried listening to the sergeants signal but all they could hear was screams and firing. They are nervous as they come to a large open space with a big nest of alien eggs just below. There's also other levels above them with other corridors which leads into different parts of the cave. They all have a stunned look wondering what an earth there looking at. There is a small cave just near the eggs which travels further in with the Queens egg sack hanging out but the Queen is not quite visible but parts of her body can be noticed. Warrior aliens start crawling from the corridors coming straight for the them. Carla yells to Ryder as they spot them coming for them and start firing trying to take each one out. Suddenly further away from the marines down where the eggs Celtic predator appears as he uncloaks himself.
He starts blasting everything in sight, then queen appears out of the shadow where the small dug in cave was looking menacing and furious as Celtic predator destroys her eggs with his shoulder cannon. She signals other warriors to take Celtic predator out.
Ryder and Sparks relies there in too deep and unprepared for so many aliens and get the hell out.
Thugs "what the hell is that thing"
Ryder "I have no idea but whatever it is, its taking out all those other things" "shit styles watch out".
Styles gets knocked down by an alien into the alien nest and then gets face hugged. Sparks pulls out a grenade.
Ryder yells "let's go sparks"
Sparks "I've got a little present for ya"
Then chucks it into the nest as it explodes and takes a few aliens an eggs out. They pull out firing their way through hordes of warriors. Blake leads the way taking as many as he can out. Sparks takes a warrior out and acid splatters on his armour, he yells Ryder tries to take it off him and then they carry on to the entrance.
Ryder yells into his mice trying to reach the driver of the armoured car to get ready to pick them up near the entrance but no answer. Another warrior goes for Carla Ryder shoots it just in time and they carry on as Thugs and Ryder helps Sparks back to the armoured car with Blake now just behind covering them.
Predators mean business
Celtic predator fires shots everywhere taking out as many eggs as possible and then gets pounced on by aliens needing help from his comrade who appears suddenly and fires a net weapon at one flinging it against the wall then another runs at him and he quickly pulls out his smart disc and chuck it slicing it in half. Sharp and Celtic kill whatever aliens left around them. They both try to eradicate everything in sight. An alien jumps on the sharp predator to the ground and he tuffles with it. The alien head bites him twice in the body wounding the him badly scraping his mask at the same time.
Sharp predator rolls the alien off him and punches the alien to stun it to the ground and holds it down as he rips the aliens tongue out violently. The Queen rips from its egg sack and gets behind sharp Predator who's now fighting another warrior. He digs his wrist blade into the warrior's head still holding it and gets whacked by the queen's tail and sends him flying. A face hugger jumps at him but he uses his wrist blades to slice it, then another grabs hold of him straggling him. While this is happening Celtic predator takes on the queen. He fires a cannon at her but aliens protect her and takes the hit and more attack him. He battles them using his spear killing a few chucking them across the air but unaware the queen sneaking up behind and impaling him with her tail as he screams in pain.
Sharp predator frees himself from the face hugger and stamps on it crushing it. He realises he is in serious trouble as hordes of aliens get ready to attack him not to mention the alien queen. He runs to his dead companion Celtic and detonates his wrist bomb and runs back through the corridors. The queen not being stupid realises what the predator has done and disappears. Sharp predator escapes the cave as fast as he can, as the huge explosion sends him flying down a huge ditch below the entrance.
Revenge
The marines and Carla get back their armoured car and find the driver killed. As Blake steps into to drive Carla barges through saying she got to help sometime and gets on the wheel and drives them away. They drive back to the drop ship and see its been destroyed by sharp predator. They realise there only way of escape from the planet is to reach the outpost which is further away from the nest and contact the mother ship to be picked up from another drop ship.
Ryder "How fars the outpost"
Carla "not far"
Ryder "alright lets get go" and then goes back to comfort Sparks.
Back to sharp Predator who is leaning against a rocky wall below the entrance and is very angry that the humans ruined there hunt decides to go after them. Before he does so he uses his medi-kit form being badly wounded from alien attacks and the explosion. He removes his mask so he can use his breathing apparatus and also takes a strength injection. He then puts his mask back on. He then follows the marines trace and begins his new hunt. The marines drives to the drop-ship only to find it destroyed and panic. They relies there last escape is too reach the old outpost complex and head straight for it. They reach outpost and find a huge crane and vehicles which looks as if not been used for a while. The only way to get inside is by a Audio Analyser and needs to recognise a voice to get in. Carla quickly says the complex name and uses her voice but sharp predator has followed them using their trace from their armoured car and crouched on the huge crane above and recorded Carla's voice so he can then use it to get inside. He gurgles angrily as he figures his next move. The marines then park their car in the hanger of the complex.
Not safe yet
Its now night and the marines have a breathing space and time too relax.
Thugs "what the hell were those things, it was like a war was going on or some kind of hunt"
Ryder "Have you ever seen those things before"
Carla "No I only heard we picked up an unknown signal, two workers down here went to investigate which was near the cave and both died. They said one was found near the cave skinned hanging upside down, the other body was never found." "We were told to evacuate the outpost until you guys came in, that's all I know"
Ryder "whatever they are we carnt let any of them in here"
Moments later Carla says to Ryder "I'm Sorry I didn't tell you before Ryder we were ordered not to talk about it "
Ryder " Don't worry its not your fault"
Carla " thanks for saving me back there"
Ryder "No problem just doing my job" and smiles.
While he dresses up Sparks wounds from the acid.
she smiles back.
Carla helps thugs contact the mother ship to send another drop ship and be picked up. From a camera They notice the main entrance doors open but see nothing enter, they think nothing of it as the doors close. Sharp predator has used his cloaking devise and now looking for the remaining marines in the complex. Blake checks the complex to make sure its safe and no aliens have got inside. He's told to keep in contact with the others. Sharp predator comes across him using his spear to impale him against the wall and make little sound as possible and heads for the others.
They loose contact with Blake and start hearing banging on the walls from outside the complex, they look at the CCTV but they all suddenly loose their picture and they know that aliens have followed them to the complex and desperately trying to get inside. They realise now there's not a moment to loose and contact the drop ship to give them a new check point because the complex has become surrounded with aliens and too dangerous to lift off from.
Final Battle
The remaining head off to the hanger where a Power-Loader can be seen and get ready to leave the complex using their armoured car. They open the door and get inside the armoured car. As they get in they spot sharp predator above on the balcony. He gets attacked by an alien who jumps on his back. He flings it off in front of him and twists his wrist blades into it killing it. The predator heads off to the armoured car, Ryder tells them to close the doors quickly, as they do so sharp predator fires his shoulder cannon at the door leaving a huge dent. He jumps on top and tries punching his way into the vehicle as they try to start it up. Suddenly sharp predator gets whacked off by something strong like a huge tail. They finally start the armoured car up and a huge head bite smashes through the window and nearly kills Carla and Ryder shoots at it scaring it off.
The queen had gotten inside with warrior aliens and attack the armoured car trying to get inside as it rocks side to side. Carla being careful not to get face bitten trying to start the armoured car up. Then Sharp Predator manages to wipe out the last few warrior aliens with his cannon from a balcony above and the vehicle escapes the grasp of the Queen and barges passed it with full power and heads to the drop ship. The queen looks at the predator hissing furiously. Sharp predator looks back at the queen as to say its just you and me. He fires a shoulder cannon at her but she manages to dodge it as she comes jumping towards him. He jumps out of the way as she smashes against the wall and falls down.
Sharp predator jumps onto the queens back stabbing into her as much as he can with his spear, trying to stay on but is shaken off and whacked flying by the queens tail with his cannon being knocked off a bit further away from him. He's badly wounded from the hit and in a last attempt at killing the queen he chucks his spear straight at her which imbeds into her body, she screams with pain and pulls the spear out chucking it away. But she is still coming at the predator ready to finish him off and being a predator never giving up crawls towards his cannon and as he's about to grab it the queen digs her tail into the predators back and kills him once and for all.
The queen turns her head as to say it's now focused on the marines with its menacing look.
Last escape
The marines are now racing towards the drop ship smashing through hordes of aliens along the way which slow them down slightly giving the queen enough time to catch up. They finally reach the drop ship which lowers its elevator so they can get on. They race up the elevator getting out as Ryder yells telling the pilot to go but he says it's too heavy to lift off. They are fairly high and look at the end of the elevator and the queen is hanging on.
Ryder shoots it using his grenade round "f**king die you bitch" and the queen goes flying down. They fly off quickly into the air and nuke the site from orbit with a huge explosion below.
Finally the last four marines, Sparks badly wounded next to Thugs and Carla and Ryder looking at each other warn out and relived. She slowly rests here head on Ryder's shoulder looking content. The drop ship flies off into space.
The End
I hope they never make another avp movie ever again.
"James Cameron" They screwed the whole franchise
I would actually prefer a new AvP game to the movie.
Quote from: Wweyland on May 19, 2018, 05:57:19 PM
I would actually prefer a new AvP game to the movie.
Same. But at this point, I think neither is going to happen in the near future. If the predator flops, I think everything outside of novels and comics will go dormant for awhile.
Maybe that is for the best for now. The quality of books and novels has actually gone up recently.
Quote from: Wweyland on May 19, 2018, 08:17:39 PM
Maybe that is for the best for now. The quality of books and novels has actually gone up recently.
The novels have been wiping the floor with the movies lately. I found the novel of Covenant to be quite superior to the film. And cold forge had probably the best bad guy, movies or novels combined. I've said it many times, the novels are cheaper to fund, the scope of the story is unlimited, and they actually have aliens in them. Just compare the first avp novel to the movies, no contest. Or for the predator, the movie might not look great right now, but "if it bleeds" sure was a lot of fun. The written word is keeping these creatures alive and well, and I will in no way be disappointed if that's where they stay for awhile. And all of this is not counting the excellent audio dramas that have been getting made. If Earth Hive, Rogue, Labyrinth, or Gibson's Alien 3 ever get a treatment, I'd just love it.
The heck with the movies, give me a dozen solid novels and some good audio dramas instead. :) Sure, they may be cheesy sometimes, but by golly they're fun, and that's what counts.
I agree completely. Just give me a couple of good games between the novels and I'll be happy.
I think it's crucial that the next film should not be called Alien Vs Predator. Not many people get excited over an A or P title, it seems. Bill it as a COLONIAL MARINES movie. Focus less on the versus part and more on the big guns, big personalities, tension, and thrills. That's the stuff that made Aliens and Predator so popular, not just the monsters.
There should definitely be creature battles, of course, but not with out human characters present. For example, in AVP, everyone left the room just as the Grid/Celtic battle was getting started. That was a mistake because we weren't given a reason to care who won the fight. Next time, keep the main characters trapped and looking for a way out while the monsters battle. This makes the fight a ticking clock; they must escape before whoever wins comes after them. Keeping the humans involved adds the necessary tension.
Meh.
Quote from: Kelgaard on Jun 25, 2018, 06:52:25 PM
There should definitely be creature battles, of course, but not with out human characters present. For example, in AVP, everyone left the room just as the Grid/Celtic battle was getting started. That was a mistake because we weren't given a reason to care who won the fight. Next time, keep the main characters trapped and looking for a way out while the monsters battle. This makes the fight a ticking clock; they must escape before whoever wins comes after them. Keeping the humans involved adds the necessary tension.
We weren't given a reason to care because we don't care about the human characters to begin with. We literally just witnessed Lexx Tank getting kicked in the gut and slammed into a wall, and she walks it off, when she should be on the ground, feebly crawling, trying to catch her breath.
The characters just sucked.
Quote from: Lionhart on May 19, 2018, 08:03:36 AM
I hope they never make another avp movie ever again.
"James Cameron" They screwed the whole franchise
You know he said that before he even saw the movie, right? after he saw it, he actually liked it.
Yes, he endorsed Terminator Genisys too.
Quote from: The Old One on Sep 25, 2018, 11:01:32 PM
Yes, he endorsed Terminator Genesys too.
Dangit, you beat me to it. :D
Yeah, Cameron says a lot of things. He's made some good movies, some not so good. After Avatar and his comments about genisys, his opinion is suspect...in my opinion. ;)
Quote from: Huggs on Sep 25, 2018, 11:03:36 PM
Quote from: The Old One on Sep 25, 2018, 11:01:32 PM
Yes, he endorsed Terminator Genesys too.
Dangit, you beat me to it. :D
Yeah, Cameron says a lot of things. He's made some good movies, some not so good. After Avatar and his comments about genisys, his opinion is suspect...in my opinion. ;)
I always considered Cameron mediocre, his two Terminator films are really the only films of his that I like and I heard he stole the idea from an outer limits episode.
Quote from: Jigsaw85 on Sep 26, 2018, 12:37:11 AM
Quote from: Huggs on Sep 25, 2018, 11:03:36 PM
Quote from: The Old One on Sep 25, 2018, 11:01:32 PM
Yes, he endorsed Terminator Genesys too.
Dangit, you beat me to it. :D
Yeah, Cameron says a lot of things. He's made some good movies, some not so good. After Avatar and his comments about genisys, his opinion is suspect...in my opinion. ;)
I always considered Cameron mediocre, his two Terminator films are really the only films of his that I like and I heard he stole the idea from an outer limits episode.
Well ALIENS took some inspiration from Starship Troopers, Cameron never denied that. Avatar on other hand was just Pocahontas on space, I already knew everthing that was going to happen before seeing it, predictable as I had already seen the same story in other movies. I also heard the blue humanoid aliens were ripped off from a old novel that had such creatures.
Terminator 1&2
Aliens
True Lies
The Abyss
And that's about it for me. I can slightly tolerate Avatar about once every 5 years. Why it was such a big deal, I'll never understand. It's just dances with wolves meets the smurfs. In fact, Dances with Smurfs is a name I've heard it called several times.
Titanic is one I just can't forgive. As a titanic nut, I couldn't stand what he did with it. Nothing is ever going to top "A Night to Remember". But certainly not some ridiculous "paint me like you love me" business, or whatever the heck that was.
Quote from: Huggs on Sep 26, 2018, 01:16:53 AM
And that's about it for me. I can slightly tolerate Avatar about once every 5 years. Why it was such a big deal, I'll never understand.
Perhaps the filming techniques used in this movie were considered an innovation at that time.
Quote from: Crazy Shrimp on Sep 26, 2018, 01:40:57 AM
Quote from: Huggs on Sep 26, 2018, 01:16:53 AM
And that's about it for me. I can slightly tolerate Avatar about once every 5 years. Why it was such a big deal, I'll never understand.
Perhaps the filming techniques used in this movie were an innovation at that time.
I remember the 3D being a big deal, or something to that effect. Still, as a story, it followed too closely in the footsteps of Dances with wolves, and was far too political to suit my tastes.
No AVP film
Yes AvP film. A good one.
(https://i.imgur.com/jqSbH1S.jpg)
It can be done! It can be fun! It can be good!
Quote from: The Old One on Oct 19, 2018, 11:21:55 AM
https://i.imgur.com/jqSbH1S.jpg
An accurate picture of almost every producer in the mid to late 70s being pitched a monster on a spaceship movie ;)
Perhaps.
I do not believe the creatures' coexistence is suitable.
As sensible as The Thing + Alien/Predator IMO.
I believe you're wrong.
Also The Thing works with ... everything.
I think it's time for another crack at AVP, but done right of course.
Quote from: SiL on Oct 19, 2018, 11:33:24 AM
I believe you're wrong.
Also The Thing works with ... everything.
The Thing does- Predator does not.
But your comparison of a bad crossover was The Thing Vs Predator, so what would it matter if the Predator doesn't work with everything ???
AVP's a misbegotten idea IMO.
Like Robocop Versus Alien, Terminator Vs Alien or (Superhero) Versus Alien.
Or Batman Versus Predator, it's fun to see them duke it out- but they don't belong in the same boat.
If it 'had' to be set present day for a third time, I would like to see the Alien Queen recovered from the depths. Being dethawed in the way Megatron was in Transformers.
Quote from: DerelictShip on Oct 19, 2018, 09:22:30 PM
If it 'had' to be set present day for a third time, I would like to see the Alien Queen recovered from the depths. Being dethawed in the way Megatron was in Transformers.
Like fallen kingdom, except way, way down there. But how preserved would or could she be given the nature of her biology and any environmental factors?
As far as we know she was kept frozen by the Predators for hundreds of years, maybe longer, depending on how many times she was 'summoned' to provide eggs for the hunt. Xenomorphs have shown the ability to survive in space as well.
I personally like to think that xenomorphs have the ability to go into a hibernation mode, allowing them to survive without food or in harsh conditions. I don't know for sure though, sounds like a job for an alienist....
Quote from: DerelictShip on Oct 19, 2018, 11:50:41 PM
As far as we know she was kept frozen by the Predators for hundreds of years, maybe longer, depending on how many times she was 'summoned' to provide eggs for the hunt. Xenomorphs have shown the ability to survive in space as well.
I personally like to think that xenomorphs have the ability to go into a hibernation mode, allowing them to survive without food or in harsh conditions. Almost like shutting themselves down completely, to the point of near death, if need be. I don't know for sure though, sounds like a job for an alienist....
Kind of like the eggs on the derelict in Alien. Those eggs were there for thousands of years. Still fresh...
;D
What about a disgraced Predator stumbling on to a Rogue engineer planning to drop the black goo on a Predator Planet, so the Predator has to save his people? At the end, we learn that It was the Predator that slaughtered the engineer's family years ago and the motive was revenge.
Quote from: SiL on Oct 19, 2018, 11:33:24 AM
I believe you're wrong.
The villains can be played off of one another nicely. And it doesn't even have to be a "crossover" (at its core its based off of two sci-fi-horror films about predatory alien beings). It could be an "Alien Predators" film. No team-ups. No hamfisted origin stories. Just pure and utter mindf**kery. Not to mention both are rather Lovecraftian space horrors. We could get a really good tale of cosmic terror if we got together the right team.
AVP's a crossover by definition.
Quote from: The Old One on Nov 24, 2018, 12:15:15 AM
AVP's a crossover by definition.
Meant to put it in quotations my bad.
Edit: Fixed.
Quote from: The Old One on Oct 19, 2018, 02:32:15 PM
AVP's a misbegotten idea IMO.
Like Robocop Versus Alien, Terminator Vs Alien or (Superhero) Versus Alien.
Or Batman Versus Predator, it's fun to see them duke it out- but they don't belong in the same boat.
I know your feelings, but I honestly feel otherwise.
Mixing Robocop, Terminator, Batman, Superman, Blade Runner (your favorite thing to do ;D) yes, they do not belong in the same boat. Agreed.
But Aliens and Predators are amazingly symbiotic. Almost Ying and Yang. They fit so well that I'm never surprised when I come across a young fan, who's not familiar with the history, thinking these two species were always joined in the same universe. And that truly explains why this wasn't a one time thing. It explains the popularity, the longevity and fascination with this powerful, successful fictional marriage.
I see it today as Alien dragging Predator's irrelevant corpse frankly.
& That rope needs to be cut so they can both be what they ought to be.
They're know together by association because DH pushed that association at their zenith,
-not because it's successful or the right direction for either.
Alien /V\arine Predator
-is a fantastic three way dynamic for the purpose of videogaming, but not otherwise IMO.
Quote from: The Old One on Nov 25, 2018, 04:48:28 PM
I see it today as Alien dragging Predator's irrelevant corpse frankly.
I always get a chuckle when Terminator, Predator, Alien, Robocop etc. fans call another said franchise "irrelevant".
And let let me take this moment to thank the great Alien franchise for these new great Neca Predator figures, adding to this irrelevant franchise I love!
(https://media3.giphy.com/media/J8U6jQs5JYXnO/giphy.gif?cid=19f5b51a5bfad8bd6657683467593b78)
Oh c'mon, you know exactly what I mean.
It's a situation where Predator exists as a starter or side-dish to the Alien Franchise, and that's not a healthy relationship for either partner.
Predator inhabits the world of Alien quite a bit, but because Predator has no universe to speak of-
Because Predator inhabits the world of Alien quite a bit Predator finds it difficult to stand on it's own two feet.
Predator ought to be performing in the same leagues as Halloween, Friday the 13th & A Nightmare On Elm Street.
Or go bigger and have a team of talented people extrapolate the Predator universe into something larger- Avatar-like.
But being tied to Alien for either of these potential scenarios does it no favours.
Because ultimately then, it's back to the beginning concept of- a Predator in the Alien Universe.
& Predator ought to be more than that.
I think AVP has played itself out. But mostly I think that is in terms of it having some sort of canonical merit. Comics can still be fun, but crossing predators and any subject matter related to Prometheus are ill advised even in comics. That was the problem with Fire, Stone, Life and death.
A literal adaptation of the original AVP series as a film would be cool. No question. But the key would be to make it non-canonical from the get-go.
Quote from: The Old One on Nov 25, 2018, 05:45:05 PM
Oh c'mon, you know exactly what I mean.
It's a situation where Predator exists as a starter or side-dish to the Alien Franchise, and that's not a healthy relationship for either partner.
Predator inhabits the world of Alien quite a bit, but because Predator has no universe to speak of-
Because Predator inhabits the world of Alien quite a bit Predator finds it difficult to stand on it's own two feet.
Predator ought to be performing in the same leagues as Halloween, Friday the 13th & A Nightmare On Elm Street.
Or go bigger and have a team of talented people extrapolate the Predator universe into something larger- Avatar-like.
But being tied to Alien for either of these potential scenarios does it no favours.
Because ultimately then, it's back to the beginning concept of- a Predator in the Alien Universe.
& Predator ought to be more than that.
Yes, I tend to agree with this. Predator doesn't build its own lore. Mind you I'm so bored of Predators I haven't even seen the new film yet.
Quote from: The Old One on Nov 25, 2018, 05:45:05 PM
Oh c'mon, you know exactly what I mean.
I'm sorry, how should someone take calling the Predator franchise an "irrelevant corpse" other than literally, and as an effort to be coarse and belittling?
QuoteIt's a situation where Predator exists as a starter or side-dish to the Alien Franchise, and that's not a healthy relationship for either partner.
Disagree. And often in AVP lore, Alien is the sidedish.
QuotePredator inhabits the world of Alien quite a bit, but because Predator has no universe to speak of-
Because Predator inhabits the world of Alien quite a bit
Its only natural and organic when your merging Alien and Predator lore to include major aspects of each. And since Alien exists in the future, and the company... aka Weyland-Yutani Corp.. is such an intricate part of the Alien world, it had to be included... considering no such company existed in Predator, other than the US military and special divisions of said military. It would only make sense to bring in that intricate part of Alien, from a writer's perspective, when merging the two.
The net of it is though, nothing can change each other's mind, but let's try not to be rude about it please.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Nov 25, 2018, 06:18:18 PM
Quote from: The Old One on Nov 25, 2018, 05:45:05 PM
QuoteIt's a situation where Predator exists as a starter or side-dish to the Alien Franchise, and that's not a healthy relationship for either partner.
Disagree. And often in AVP lore, Alien is the sidedish.
Nonsense- every AVP story is essentially an Alien story with a Predator dropped in.
That's inarguable.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Nov 25, 2018, 06:18:18 PM
Quote from: The Old One on Nov 25, 2018, 05:45:05 PM
Predator inhabits the world of Alien quite a bit, but because Predator has no universe to speak of-
Because Predator inhabits the world of Alien quite a bit.
Its only natural and organic when your merging Alien and Predator lore to include major aspects of each. And since Alien exists in the future, and the company... aka Weyland-Yutani Corp.. is such an intricate part of the Alien world, it had to be included... considering no such company existed in Predator, other than the US military and special divisions of said military. It would only make sense to bring in that intricate part of Alien, from a writer's perspective, when merging the two.
Seems like you're missing the point by a wide margin.
Predator ought to be performing in the same leagues as Halloween, Friday the 13th &
A Nightmare On Elm Street.
Or go bigger and have a team of talented people extrapolate the Predator universe into something larger- Avatar-like.
But being tied to Alien for either of these potential scenarios does it no favours.
Because ultimately then, it's back to the beginning concept of- a Predator in the Alien Universe.
& Predator ought to be more than that.
I've suggested myself that Predator can adopt the slasher model successfully, and Aliens have been sometimes reduced to cannon fodder prey in some AvP EU... aka sidedish.
But you're missing my point by a wide margin. We can agree to disagree, but be respectful about it.
I'm sorry my corpse comment offended so much, it was only intended as a jovial jab.
(Much like your Blade-Runner comment.)
If I hated Predator or considered it really irrelevant, I'd say it's only future is with AVP.
Because of association to Alien. (But I believe precisely the opposite.)
Quote from: The Old One on Nov 25, 2018, 07:04:56 PM
I'm sorry my corpse comment offended so much, it was only intended as a jovial jab.
(Much like your Blade-Runner comment.)
If I hated Predator or considered it really irrelevant, I'd say it's only future is with AVP.
Because of association to Alien. (But I believe precisely the opposite.)
Appreciate it. Cheers :)
The characters by themselves command such a powerful aura of authority and nobility within fandom, that they both have virtually limitless wells from which to draw literary material.
I don't think the Alien actually benefits from an AVP story as much as the Predators do. The Alien is typically played as this ultimate prize where the Hunter(s) have to kill one to be worth a damn. Except in an AVP story the Aliens are torn down rather easily and the films make it a note that the more experienced Predator has no trouble at all until it comes to the Hybrid or Queen.
To that end it means that the Alien has less to gain from the experience than the Predator does because it ultimately becomes fodder.
The Predator however greatly benefited from an expanded mythology which also included the ultimate hybrid between the two, the PredAlien. The Predators hunting Xenomorphs becomes as a result this manhood ritual in-universe. It also benefited from the symbolism of a boy becoming a man by metaphorically claiming his penis. The Alien being this symbol of unchecked male aggression and sexual violence is used to convey that that the boy has become a man, and that in slaying the dragon he has proven himself master of his domain. He has proven him worth the respect of peers. And because this is conveyed in the subsequent films it means that the Predators get to embellish themselves. Make no mistake, this is the underlying reason the Predators are even present in the original comic. You become a man by proving your dominance. And to that end I say that works astoundingly well for the franchise which is why it was never jettisoned even after Prometheus screwed the timeline up.
So what needs to happen in an AVP 3?
The Knight needs to slay the Dragon.
The Knight needs to come in on his white horse and save the princess from the Dragon.
In short what this film needs to do is simple, have one Predator and have one Alien. The Alien is a threat because it will takeover eventually given enough time and she can spread fast which creates obstacles for the Predator. Said obstacles can be metaphors for feats the Predator must perform to gain access to the Dragons's lair (the hive). Because they take traits of their host, they really can represent that. Be it the elements, or strength, speed, courage, etc. The Predator only has to come in and prove his worth to the Princess (the clan, the humans, or himself). The Predator (the Knight) then confronts the dragon and this battle then decides if he is worthy of his honor. Does he prove himself?
To that end AVP isn't about the humans, it's about the Predator. The Predator's story is the important part which serves as the narrative catalyst, and the means to its end.
AVP 3 does not have to be this all-inspiring epic nor does it have to be straight horror. AVP is at its core a knight slaying the dragon.
AvP gets on my nerves when it becomes an excuse to show one or two action set pieces centered around humans spilling exposition.
I think the franchise as a standalone could work (discounting the Anderson and Strause AvPs) if they actually tried to establish the human characters with the pred an alien only being shown primarily working against them with maybe a few shots of the predator on it's own do to it being more relatable as a humanoid.
Like a cross of AvP2 (game) worldbuilding mixed with the original comic.
So Noguchi is the head of a brand new WY research post that is looking at old derelict tech and suddenly finds herself actually being responsible for the facility when it comes into contact with Preds and Aliens in conflict.
I think the concessions would have to be made. To me the Pred universe is more macho, so you'd have to either make the Aliens universe MORE macho OR make the Predator universe more scary. So I see the Preds being more of a horror creature in what I would look for in an AvP universe.
Quote from: SuperiorIronman on Mar 05, 2019, 11:15:03 PM
I don't think the Alien actually benefits from an AVP story as much as the Predators do. The Alien is typically played as this ultimate prize where the Hunter(s) have to kill one to be worth a damn. Except in an AVP story the Aliens are torn down rather easily and the films make it a note that the more experienced Predator has no trouble at all until it comes to the Hybrid or Queen.
To that end it means that the Alien has less to gain from the experience than the Predator does because it ultimately becomes fodder.
The Predator however greatly benefited from an expanded mythology which also included the ultimate hybrid between the two, the PredAlien. The Predators hunting Xenomorphs becomes as a result this manhood ritual in-universe. It also benefited from the symbolism of a boy becoming a man by metaphorically claiming his penis. The Alien being this symbol of unchecked male aggression and sexual violence is used to convey that that the boy has become a man, and that in slaying the dragon he has proven himself master of his domain. He has proven him worth the respect of peers. And because this is conveyed in the subsequent films it means that the Predators get to embellish themselves. Make no mistake, this is the underlying reason the Predators are even present in the original comic. You become a man by proving your dominance. And to that end I say that works astoundingly well for the franchise which is why it was never jettisoned even after Prometheus screwed the timeline up.
So what needs to happen in an AVP 3?
The Knight needs to slay the Dragon.
The Knight needs to come in on his white horse and save the princess from the Dragon.
In short what this film needs to do is simple, have one Predator and have one Alien. The Alien is a threat because it will takeover eventually given enough time and she can spread fast which creates obstacles for the Predator. Said obstacles can be metaphors for feats the Predator must perform to gain access to the Dragons's lair (the hive). Because they take traits of their host, they really can represent that. Be it the elements, or strength, speed, courage, etc. The Predator only has to come in and prove his worth to the Princess (the clan, the humans, or himself). The Predator (the Knight) then confronts the dragon and this battle then decides if he is worthy of his honor. Does he prove himself?
To that end AVP isn't about the humans, it's about the Predator. The Predator's story is the important part which serves as the narrative catalyst, and the means to its end.
AVP 3 does not have to be this all-inspiring epic nor does it have to be straight horror. AVP is at its core a knight slaying the dragon.
This is very interesting.
Quote from: Kimarhi on Mar 09, 2019, 05:39:59 AM
AvP gets on my nerves when it becomes an excuse to show one or two action set pieces centered around humans spilling exposition.
I think the franchise as a standalone could work (discounting the Anderson and Strause AvPs) if they actually tried to establish the human characters with the pred an alien only being shown primarily working against them with maybe a few shots of the predator on it's own do to it being more relatable as a humanoid.
Like a cross of AvP2 (game) worldbuilding mixed with the original comic.
So Noguchi is the head of a brand new WY research post that is looking at old derelict tech and suddenly finds herself actually being responsible for the facility when it comes into contact with Preds and Aliens in conflict.
I think the concessions would have to be made. To me the Pred universe is more macho, so you'd have to either make the Aliens universe MORE macho OR make the Predator universe more scary. So I see the Preds being more of a horror creature in what I would look for in an AvP universe.
Yeah this is pretty much it, the focus have to be the humans for the movie to work. In fact the story that i am slooowly making is exactly what you mention, a mix of AVP2 with the original comic book and AVPR (in the sense that is a place with a population being overrun basically, nothing else)
The trick of the movie should be making good human characters and have the creatures in the background, a blend of Aliens with Predator should be ideal, with little touches of Predator 2, Alien and Alien 3, mainly an horror action suspense science fiction movie.
I've always wanted to see a adaption of sorts of AvP 2, the PC game... the game scared the life out of me and always wanted to see it recreated on the big screen... I would also like to see it purely based in space, which would make it more interesting as in how would a group of military personal try and take on a predator within the confines of a ship (without firing a bullet through the hull)...
The AVP movies we got were never the movies I really wanted as a fan, so hopefully one day we may see a reboot of these particular movies, because if done right with enough passion and talent behind them... they could be pretty darn good.
Quote from: Space_Dementia on Mar 10, 2019, 11:52:53 PM
I've always wanted to see a adaption of sorts of AvP 2, the PC game... the game scared the life out of me and always wanted to see it recreated on the big screen...
You aren't the only one. :)
Quote from: Samhain13 on Mar 11, 2019, 12:12:33 AM
Quote from: Space_Dementia on Mar 10, 2019, 11:52:53 PM
I've always wanted to see a adaption of sorts of AvP 2, the PC game... the game scared the life out of me and always wanted to see it recreated on the big screen...
You aren't the only one. :)
I just love the slow gradual build up to the reveal of the Predator and Alien... I feel the game really captured the atmosphere and vibe of the original movies. It's been years since I played the game last, was in my early teens when I first played it and always remembered thinking "wow this would make a great movie".
The VG's excellent but perhaps the love's half nostalgia?
Quote from: The Old One on Mar 11, 2019, 12:47:36 AM
The VG's excellent but perhaps the love's half nostalgia?
And yeah... it may very well be to be honest, its been years since I played them and was in my early teens when I first played AVP 2, so not sure myself how they have survived the test of time...(I do intend on revisiting them soon) but I will agree, its mostly nostalgia at the moment when it comes to the games and just remembering how scary and atmospheric they were at the time.
Monolith's AVP's worn indeed, but it's excellent today regardless.
But a masterpiece or perfect? No.
Quote from: The Old One on Mar 11, 2019, 12:47:36 AM
The VG's excellent but perhaps the love's half nostalgia?
It is. It would have to be retooled to a more serious scale in a modern retelling.
Right now a replay feels like Jurassic Park in space. There is nothing wrong with JP, it just not as heavy as the Alien universe.
I recently replayed AVP2 and it was as great as ever. Actually by using certain mods(the 2007's texture overhaul, some better looking alien skins) + on 1080p for the first time on my 27'' monitor it ended up being one of my most fun playthroughs of it.
Quote from: Samhain13 on Mar 11, 2019, 01:27:52 AM
I recently replayed AVP2 and it was as great as ever. Actually by using certain mods(the 2007's texture overhaul, some better looking alien skins) + on 1080p for the first time on my 27'' monitor it ended up being one of my most fun playthroughs of it.
That sounds
amazing. I miss that game so much. I really wish it would be remastered.
I have started a script(plot points) for AVP3...
It has some immature plot points which i am currently developing.
please have a read and feel free to tear it down...
Earth 2025
Alien cargo dropped by unknown entity on earth (The Amazon jungle).
aliens develop from all kinds of animals including a group of human poachers.
The aliens form a hive in an cave with the queen still developing.
Predators scout ship observe a intelligent life form capable of flight for the
first time apart from themselves which hovers over many isolated parts of the
earth unnoticed by humans.
The Predator scout ship sends a signal to its home world for a investigation
following which 2 different warring clans depart towards earth , each
striving for self worth and honor, each seeking dominance
One of the clan is very different from the predators we've come to know.
Comparatively less dependent on technology, Slightly leaner and muscular,
look physically stronger, shorter nails on dominant hand and long,sharp on the other,
Longer thin dreads.
Markings on face, similar to earth tribes. Height a minimum of 8 Feet.
Posses Sharp weapons, and a hand held plasma canon.
On earth ,
A secret organisation formed jointly by the USA, Russia, India and Japan.
'JURI' observe this anomaly. The UFO departs at light speed.
'JURI'
With global security as their aim, they have been working for more than
2 decades, forming a organised response team to alien threats.
This organisation has no knowledge of the existence of Xenos.
Another organisation namely "The Weyland Corp", observe the same from a space station.
Following the events of AVP:R this Company along with the Yutani Corporation
have knowledge of both the Xenomorphs and the Predator.
They possess High-Tech Inventory , including weapons and instruments.
Have no knowledge of the predator events of 1987 and 1997.
I've been working on an AVP3 concept for a while now, and it's intended to act as the first of a two-part story arc that bridges the gaps between all the twelve films (particularly Alien Resurrection, The Predator, Aliens vs. Predator: Requiem, and Alien: Covenant). The main setting being LV-426 and involving an ancient feud between the Engineers and the Space Jockeys (which are not the same) and a royal band of Predators which leads to the Derelict crash on Acheron. It also involves David and his army of evolved Protomorphs going up against the traditional Xenomorphs of the Engineers before it leaves that planetoid behind and sets things up for an epic Earth War finale with AVP4, occurring prior to Alien Resurrection and following through on story elements (including the Predator Killer and the Assassin Predators) introduced in The Predator.
I hope if they ever make another it washes the taste of AVP and Requiem out of general audiences mouths.
No shitty Alien designs, no shitty Predator designs, and by God no return of the super shitty PredAlien design we already got.
It ought to come across as a mashup of Aliens (1986) and Predator (1987), with the original story as the film's blueprint, I do wonder what that anime looked like.
I think AvP needs a reboot more than either standalone franchise.
Just ignore the first two AvP movies and don't tie them into anything.
Don't include temples or any of that shit either.
Future timeline, Aliens fighting Preds with humans in the middle at a human location. Alien species and Predator species could be tied into future movies.
My idea way back in the day was to ignore the EU that says the Aliens and Preds have known of each other's existence for a long time, and have them (a single alien and a single pred) meet for the first time in a human infested ship where a Pred picks up a human distress signal where the Alien is picking off the crew.
The crew is trapped between two killers and has the plan of leading them into each other so they can escape on a shuttle/pred ship whatever.
The difference between this idea and the other ideas is that the Alien and Pred wouldn't know each other's capabilities before hand.
Yes I like that idea definitely.
And call it Alien Versus Predator.
Then the sequel Aliens Versus Predators.
Quote from: Kimarhi on Jun 09, 2021, 02:45:33 AM
The difference between this idea and the other ideas is that the Alien and Pred wouldn't know each other's capabilities before hand.
I actually really like that idea, but then it does make me a little worried about limiting any mythology. But I 100% want to see just one Alien and one Predator beat the shit out of each other, where every encounter is meaningful.
The way I see it, with the Predator's strength, cunning, technology, weaponry and skills far surpassing the Colonial Marines, I don't think a single Alien versus a Predator for the entire length of the film would jive with audiences, or with fans (except for perhaps Alien fans itching to transform a single Alien to an unstoppable beast. :))
The Alien is smart and stealthy and dangerous and could best a Predator quickly by using its environment, jumping out of the shadows and killing it, but you can't keep running that scenario through the course of the entire movie.
You can disarm the Predator and have it go hand-to-hand combat with an Alien, but again you can't keep running that scenario through the course of the entire movie. 120 Minutes full of punching & slashing. Yawn.
Remember, the Predator is not an unarmed, combat untrained, blue-collar worker that would get a job on the Nostromo here! :)
Absolute nonsense.
There's a reason Thicker Than Blood's lauded as the best AVP graphic novel since the original.
Quote from: Trash Queen on Jun 09, 2021, 02:12:35 PM
Absolute nonsense.
There's a reason Thicker Than Blood's lauded as the best AVP graphic novel since the original.
Lauded by whom? Not all. Consensus on the art, definitely, but there's no consensus on the story.
https://comicbookroundup.com/comic-books/reviews/dark-horse-comics/alien-vs-predator-thicker-than-blood
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/48619102-alien-vs-predator
But that isn't even one Alien versus one Predator the entire story, the scenario we are discussing. It was 3 Predators against one Alien. You're filling your story with the first Predator the Alien attacked & killed by surprise. (Perfectly plausible). The second Predator, the Alien beat without a scratch but we don't know how (you have to show this stuff, especially in film.) And the third Predator with only one arm & one leg (only with the help of two "kids") defeated it. Logical? No. But there ya go.
And differing opinions do not equate to absolute nonsense my dear! :)
I think the idea of having one each forces creativity.
Typing from phone but bear with me. I'm not in favor of the one alien and pred wrestling match through the whole movie. Most if the early action would be human vs pred, human vs alien. Then there would be a short brutal action at the end between the two characters.
Like Samurai facing off.
All of the above.
Quote from: Kimarhi on Jun 09, 2021, 04:42:44 PM
Typing from phone but bear with me. I'm not in favor of the one alien and pred wrestling match through the whole movie. Most if the early action would be human vs pred, human vs alien. Then there would be a short brutal action at the end between the two characters.
Like Samurai facing off.
Hmm. Like Samurai?
Well, with that approach, it's probably best to not call it AvP. Too many people will undoubtedly complain
there's not enough AvP!!! :laugh:
I'm thinking twelve or so minutes with the two stalking each other at the end of the film. Which would
Be longer than some of their screentime in movies I'm sure.
The last act is Dutch vs the Predator except the Predator is Dutch and the Alien is Jungle Hunter.
You're welcome.
Something like that yeah.
Then in sequels and shit you could expand on the lore and make the engagements bigger with more characters from every faction.
Folks, you're onto something.
SiL, since you're going to direct the next one, what was your AvP idea? If I'm not mistaken, I believe you already had a script.
It was just Aliens and Predators fighting in a generic space colony with some security contractors.
That's honestly the only real way to go about it. Alien and Predator are two distinctly different flavours that to make something exceptional, you'd have to lead into one or the other, but it would shaft the other one. Shame that anime series wasn't real, that's probably a good way to do it.
I also really liked Psykore's Predators in his FEAR sp missions/campaigns for AvP2.
There the Preds were more horror movie adversaries, but were portrayed in a way that they were frightening to encounter. To his credit no other Pred encounter in any game made me feel that way before or after.
Maybe leaning into them as horror movie monsters might extend/freshen the life of them.
He didn't really do anything different, but there was no feeling of machoism to break any sort of tension like the movies possess. And since it was a human only SP campaign, there was no POV from the pred that you could relate to or understand their mission like in AvP2 or the comics, they were just big scary f**kers running around gutting and skinning people.
Some loose on the spot thoughts. I'm thinking about an old school universal horror inspired film. The looks of the original frankenstein films with the assymetrical buildings, spooky dead trees and cool camera angles, lightning, thunderstorm, heavy rain and sometimes moments of quiet with a minimalistic creepy soundtrack
A lone predator cruises through space looking for the ultimate trophy, finds a sinister looking planet. It is a ruin of an old civilization, big mysterious elephant headed monstrosities lay scattered across the ship. The pred investigates, The place is dead but for a lone alien stalking the predator, a game of cat and mouse begins all around the ruins of,what seemed to be a laboratory ( very old school with tubes and bottles and odd brews, mad scientist styled lab. The predator wins after a long and fierce fight, leaves the building when he comes eye to eye with a queen. Meanwhile a storm is raging on the planet with howling spooky winds, weirdly and off shaped rocks and trees and a mist are the new surroundings.there is thunder and lightning. Pred needs his entire arsenal of weapons to hurt the queen but is clearly on the losing side. Hurt and wounded he heads back to his ship, not to run away but to lure the queen into a trap using a hologram to try outsmart the queen
The ships enteriors are equally odd like in predator 2. The pred in the meantime heals himself in the medical bay. In awe of his adversay he ditches all his weapons but his wristblade and fight the queen beast to beast. The queen wins but a distress signal is bleeping in the ship, soon a new warrior will arrive to take on the queen...
No humans, no dialogue, no story. Just sounds, creepy soundtrack, suspense and odd camera angles. I'm gunning for atmosphere over story here, short film padded out for about 75 min. Keep everything mysterious.
All of what Kimmy said.
I want the SNES plot adapted (and altered here and there). One Predator. And I want all the crazy Alien variants. Dolphin, Gorilla, Bat, Snake, all of it.
Non Earth locale, and no humans are around after the aliens wiped them all out and turned the whole Colony into a hive.
My idea is, it takes place in the future when there's Weyland Utani running things, so a while after aliens but before alien resurrection. It takes place on a Weyland Utani large space station, they are breeding and experimenting with Xenos and got the eggs from a derelict ship found on one of the many worlds previously inhabited or used by the Engineers. Some time after the aliens have grown to adulthood, The Predators find out about it due to reading passenger signatures as a yutani transport is happening by carrying eggs. The Predators follow the ship and come to find the space station, once finding out there are more Xenomorphs on board the station, the two Predators fly over head and drop down to infiltrate the station and stop the humans and kill the aliens before it becomes uncontrollable. The two Predators make short work of the humans as they traverse the three levels/floors of the station and come to the holding cells of the xenos. One of the Predators releases a door to a holding cell and kills a Xenomorph inside, but does not notice the one hiding on the ceiling of the cell right above him...He quickly tries to parry the attack of the Xenomorph which throws the alien out of the cell and into the power controls causing a 3rd floor power shutdown, releasing the doors to the holding cells. Chaos quickly ensues and the two Predators are left to fight 15 cells worth of xenos. Hopelessly outnumbered they have to kill them all and escape or die trying...That's just my thoughts anyway. The predator designs would be similar to Predator 2 and 1 and the xenos would be like big chap and also a few warriors from aliens and some Dog aliens as the science team was experimenting with different animals. there would also be an additional few floors to this space station with surviving humans who would also be trying to get out alive. Let me know what you think!
I want an AVPIII to be in 2100 or later. I want to see The Pred and Xeno fight in the future worlds and colonies.
Predator - in space. Special forces go on a mission to a colony. Find Aliens and Predators. Carnage ensues. Last act is "Predator" but human vs Alien vs Predator 3-way cat and mouse.
Simple, clean, but with great potential for action and horror.
It's kind of funny, AvP is showing up randomly all over my youtube suggested videos. I would not be surprised if it was rebooted by Disney. Especially with Prey doing well.
I DO NOT want an Alien movie set in ancient times though. Even an AvP movie.
The worst part about the last AvP movies has been the human characters. If they could be written well with dialogue that doesn't make you cringe, then I think it could come out great regardless of the setting.. But I am definitely all for it being set in the future AL()ENS era. Because that just makes more sense.
Also, if the Predator could NOT team up with humans and not be a hero that's invincible to acid, that would be great. F**kin' hell..
Quote from: SiL on Aug 18, 2022, 06:57:14 AMPredator - in space. Special forces go on a mission to a colony. Find Aliens and Predators. Carnage ensues. Last act is "Predator" but human vs Alien vs Predator 3-way cat and mouse.
Simple, clean, but with great potential for action and horror.
I like this. In your vision, did the Predators release the facehuggers on the unsuspecting colonists?
In the old script, no. It was a human EEV that had eggs in it that the Predators were keeping an eye on.
AvP ideas hmmm let's see
- first off huge crazyass demolisher queen that's like a staple
(https://c.tenor.com/GYPmdCjUba4AAAAC/alien-vs-predator-alien.gif)
- a Predator exploring a Giger landscape, stalking an explorer squad of Aliens and taking them out one by one using long-range and close-range weapons. Preferably with disc and spear throws, as well as some good old wristblade to the face, uncaring of the acid blood's effects
- a fight wherein an Alien tail-slaps a Predator's mask off, the Predator's head turns back and we can see a huge gash on it, it doesn't care and keeps going
- absolutely no Marines thanks perhaps an armored special elite force or a couple armored space cops but no military as MCs. Hell, I'd do away with humans altogether, it's about the battle royale anyway, perhaps a curious observer synthetic as the MC? Or Something like that. If there are humans at all, they should come out on top using wit to lure the creatures into each other instead of them
- a panicked Predator firing all over the place at a swarm of Aliens coming through a tight tunnel like sewer sludge, killing some, but eventually he gets hand-to-hand with just one of them who mauls him to death
- three Predators teaming up against a huge Anderson-size Alien Queen, perhaps with three different body types
- a Predator leaving another Predator to die at the hands of Aliens, only for the second Predator to come back with a vengeance and Alien carapace for armour to spine rip his ex-friend
- some Predator to Predator interaction, like one more insane Predator going at it like hell while another saves the former from being killed by a sneak attack (using the disc, of course)
- aesthetics borrowed and expanded from Predator 2 and Alien principally, but also from other films - show biodiversity in both species
- City Hunter returning with a robot arm and chest, as a battle-worn Elder observing the to-be Elder Predators going at it with the ultimate trial to become Elders
- an invisible Predator slaughtering a couple Aliens before a third one pinpoints him and spits acid at him, taking out his cover and taking him on
Quote from: PsyKore on Aug 27, 2022, 11:39:42 AMThe worst part about the last AvP movies has been the human characters. If they could be written well with dialogue that doesn't make you cringe, then I think it could come out great regardless of the setting.. But I am definitely all for it being set in the future AL()ENS era. Because that just makes more sense.
Also, if the Predator could NOT team up with humans and not be a hero that's invincible to acid, that would be great. F**kin' hell..
I don't even know if I'd call the humans in either AvP movie characters. More like cardboard. It is very hard to make people sound like actual human beings talking, but by god, my I spent three minutes writing these characters fanfictions shouldn't sound better than a professional playwright. That was a HUGE reason AvP, AvP2 and Prometheus were terrible. I didn't care about anybody, and nobody was believable. Covenant even had this issue, but some background issues were fixed to make it at least slightly more watchable.
For some reason when I think an Alien movie set in humanities past, the very first image that comes into my mind is a samurai vs an Alien. I think this is a direct influence of Predator lore embedded in my head over the years taking the EU version of the pred and putting it in human form.
I don't know that it wouldn't work...........it just feels very familiar already. If you start replacing the samurai with any swordsman from a different era or country it still seems familiar.
Maybe something closer to Roanoke era timeline...........but then you are playing with something Prey has done. You start getting more modern and then you just have alien without the predator. It could still be a good alien film, but everybody is going to remember AvP.
I am beginning to think, heck maybe it would be been better off to just adapt the storyline from AVP2 the 2001 video game published by Sierra than the sorry-excuse-for-a-plot that we got in the AVP films. Ha, its not everyday where even a game storyline is better than a movie storyline...
A want them to fish up my Queen. After that they can do whatever they want.
That was a plan for one potential AvP3...
It sure was :-X
Okay, I guess it was the plan for 2 in that case...lol
No I think we're both thinking the same outline.
Can you elaborate guys?
I need to actually double-check what was put out into the public regarding that one before I comment any further.
Oh, ok. Top secret :laugh:
I will tell you this, judging by that script, you better hope the Antarctic Queen never ever returns.
By which script?
What's going on here ?
Quote from: Master on Sep 06, 2022, 06:47:53 PMOh, ok. Top secret :laugh:
Yeah, I can't talk about this one currently but hopefully working something out so that we can.
Just what I heard down the grapevine to be honest.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Sep 12, 2022, 09:59:05 AMQuote from: Master on Sep 06, 2022, 06:47:53 PMOh, ok. Top secret :laugh:
Yeah, I can't talk about this one currently but hopefully working something out so that we can.
Please do. You know how I love AvP as a concept. I'm starving for some news/info I haven't heard before!
https://twitter.com/KelG426/status/1573687232363479050?t=PusRQRv8hUxnCAPdX5XX6A&s=19
But AVP 2010 references both AVP 2004, and Ripley's death on Fury 161, so I guess an android then?
(https://i.imgur.com/zIDDZGX.png)
I mean if we want pyramids without retaining the other AVP films in continuity, just make em pyramids not built by Predators... Right? :D
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Sep 24, 2022, 04:53:24 PMBut AVP 2010 references both AVP 2004, and Ripley's death on Fury 161, so I guess an android then?
Ignore those parts.
Lmao
I think I just prefer the Alien RPG continuity.
Quote from: OpenMaw on Sep 24, 2022, 07:18:56 PMhttps://i.imgur.com/zIDDZGX.png
I mean if we want pyramids without retaining the other AVP films in continuity, just make em pyramids not built by Predators... Right? :D
Still waiting to actually see these Silo's on the screen! Give 'em me!
Yeah I've always loved the egg silo design
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Sep 28, 2022, 08:00:44 AMQuote from: OpenMaw on Sep 24, 2022, 07:18:56 PMhttps://i.imgur.com/zIDDZGX.png
I mean if we want pyramids without retaining the other AVP films in continuity, just make em pyramids not built by Predators... Right? :D
Still waiting to actually see these Silo's on the screen! Give 'em me!
Quote from: 426Buddy on Sep 28, 2022, 02:47:31 PMYeah I've always loved the egg silo design
Could make a whole movie out of one of those depending on how big you want to make it.
I agree, love that silo, along with Giger's other concept art for the unmade Dune (and just his art in general ofc).
Just gimme a whole movie of a Giger designs and landscapes. That's a big want.
That's one big reason I'm eagerly anticipating the upcoming game Scorn, to help scratch that itch lol.
More Zdzisław Beksiński than H.R Giger.
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Sep 28, 2022, 03:58:28 PMMore Zdzisław Beksiński than H.R Giger.
Certainly heavy elements of his as well, no doubt. Especially in the color palette and gothic atmosphere. But I see a ton of Giger influence all over what I've seen of that game. Especially with all of the bio-mechanical elements/designs. Looks like it's going to be a good mix of both their styles!
(but I digress, this is not the Scorn thread lol)
Quote from: Cosmic Incubation on Sep 28, 2022, 04:09:07 PMQuote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Sep 28, 2022, 03:58:28 PMMore Zdzisław Beksiński than H.R Giger.
Certainly heavy elements of his as well, no doubt. Especially in the color palette and gothic atmosphere. But I see a ton of Giger influence all over what I've seen of that game. Especially with all of the bio-mechanical elements/designs. Looks like it's going to be a good mix of both their styles!
(but I digress, this is not the Scorn thread lol)
One thing I would point out about Scorn is actually an idea I thought would be really cool for a story to spawn from, which is what Scorn seemed to be doing early on. It almost looked like the environment you were visitng was Giger designed, but the Beksiński style was devouring it.
On the subject of future Alien movies and the egg silo... If only they would adapt Labyrinth.
I wonder if it has a narrative component at all.
Quote from: OpenMaw on Sep 28, 2022, 04:12:35 PMOne thing I would point out about Scorn is actually an idea I thought would be really cool for a story to spawn from, which is what Scorn seemed to be doing early on. It almost looked like the environment you were visitng was Giger designed, but the Beksiński style was devouring it.
On the subject of future Alien movies and the egg silo... If only they would adapt Labyrinth.
That's the impression I'm getting as well. I get the impression that some of the Beksiński creatures/level design elements are some sort of outside force or plague that's taking over and engulfing the game's Giger world. I love it!
hard reboot for AvP, it the only way to make thing right. The OG movie will be left untouched.
Aim for the future so you can have Colonial Marines, desolate worlds, and see these two titans clash anywhere but Earth.
Quote from: Thatguy2068 on Sep 16, 2023, 06:47:06 PMhard reboot for AvP, it the only way to make thing right. The OG movie will be left untouched.
I agree it has to be reboot since the lore and mythos has changed.
There's plenty of those already.
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Mar 31, 2024, 10:01:01 PMThere's plenty of those already.
But I want official one
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OK what's your PayPal and how much money you want?
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Quote from: [cancerblack] on Mar 31, 2024, 10:11:04 PMQuote from: Thatguy2068 on Mar 31, 2024, 10:06:31 PMQuote from: [cancerblack] on Mar 31, 2024, 10:03:28 PMThen give me enough cash to do nothing but re-train my art skills for a few months, get me hired by Marvel, then convince them to sell smut.
OK what's your PayPal and how much money you want?
QuoteThe cost of living in New Zealand, for one person in a major city, is between NZ$4,000-NZ$5,000 per month.
This for four months should do it.
OK I got contact my relatives Ripley Scott
Would Giger be proud of this comic if it ever existed?
Probably not if it was crafted to normie tastes.