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There doesn't seem to be any plans for another instalment to the hugely popular franchise, even though Weaver insists that Ripley's story is still unresolved. In fact, recently there has been more talk of a sequel to Prometheus, the prequel to Alien, than another film that involves Ripley.

Weaver shot to fame as the star of Ridley Scott's 1979 sci-fi classic, Alien, before then starring in James Cameron's 1986 highly acclaimed follow-up Aliens.

She also featured in the less popular Alien 3 and Alien Resurrection, which were directed by David Fincher and Jean-Pierre Jeunet, respectively, but despite the fact that neither of these films received the praise of its predecessors, Weaver is still adamant that there is life in the film series yet.

"I definitely feel the story is unresolved, we never really finished it," Weaver explained. "That was sort of my responsibility, because I didn't like where the story was going – I'd already tried to kill myself in Alien 3."

The actress also noted that she isn't a fan of the spin-off films of the series, which saw the creature paired with another cinematic legend, Predator. "I didn't like the Alien Vs Predator movies, I thought they were demeaning to a wonderful story," she noted. "Jim Cameron said it was like Alien vs the Wolfman. For many reasons, I didn't want to pursue it, I wanted to do other things."

Alien Resurrection did provide some closure to the story though, as Ripley managed to kill a human hybrid of the alien before making her way back to earth with Winona Ryder's android.

Weaver insists that there is more room to explore in the story. "As a former English major, I feel like... hmmm, I wish we'd finished this story," she added. "It feels incomplete to me. I wish it didn't, but it does. We left it hanging. And there's a way to finish this story that I think would be satisfying to me and the many fans."

This isn't the first time that Weaver has made several comments alluding to another Alien film. In June she told a crowd at the Hero Complex film festival that the story was unresolved, while back in May James Cameron also revealed that he had once planned to make Alien 5 alongside Ridley Scott. However these plans ultimately fell through.

Weaver made the comments while promoting her role in the new Alien game, which she also insisted is "incredibly cool." This is the first time that she's played the character since 1997′s Alien Resurrection.

With Weaver clearly interested, however, it surely won't be long before Fox picks up on the hints and kicks a production into motion.


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Meh.  Ellen Ripley's part in the tale was over after Alien3.  And I wouldn't be all that stoked about continuing the A:R story.  I'd rather leave that sequel lying fallow for all time.

I really don't want to see an Alien 5. We have had so many years to get it done after Resurrection but then again you could argue that Resurrection was where the franchise ended.. Of course you could even argue that Aliens or Alien 3 was where the story should've ended. But with Prometheus being the main focus, and a movie taking two to three years to make.. By the time Prometheus 3, assuming there will be a Prometheus 3 will ever be made if the sequel succeeds.. Weaver will be too old.

Also.. there has to be a stopping point. In some respect, I do agree with Ridley Scott that Fox has milked the franchise and the Xenomorph dry. Seven movies (Prometheus and AvP's included, Predator movies not counting for this).. and two more Prometheus movies constitutes nine. Do we need a tenth movie? Where can we go after Resurrection with Ripley?

Ripley's story has been told. No point in adding an unnecessary sequel.

Yea, Rips story ended with Alien³. Rip8 is a carbon copy of Ripley but it is not Ripley. I mean lets face it, that boat(Ripley) sank into the fire a long time ago. On that note, I do want to see an Alien 5 but if I had to choose then I'm going with Prometheus 2. Besides, they could always do AVP3 instead.

Quote from: whiterabbit on Jul 27, 2014, 05:17:23 AM
Besides, they could always do AVP3 instead.

As much as I would love to see AvP3 happening, I've come to terms that movie won't likely happen. We've a better chance at seeing an Alien reboot or a Predator reboot happening before AvP3.

Or they could just stop making Alien, Predator and Prometheus movies after the Prometheus series finishes it's run. And what we have is what we have, end of story and that's all she may have wrote.

Yea it doesn't look promising except for the predator series. It appears pred fans will get a squeal to the original series.

They should let WY get their hands on the alien and make a movie showing what people can do with alien dna... no A|R was not that. Basically that was a poor version of Frankenstein gone wild at best.

anyone who would be excited about another AvP movie is an idiot. its a concept that should have stayed to comic books, video games and toy lines. NEVER a movie.

we need another ALIEN film.

I don't like her

Alien 5: Ripley 8 & Call go a date that ends in bed, Call kills the Alien watching them with a "antique" M41A pulse rifle. The hot android-on-human/Xeno/hybrid-clone-action continues to some Issac Hayes. The End.  8)

Yeah, might as well let it go. Ripley's been turned into a superhero, and the alien's now about as scary as Kermit the Frog.

Prometheus 2, please!

Quote from: Immolater on Jul 27, 2014, 10:59:06 AM
anyone who would be excited about another AvP movie is an idiot. its a concept that should have stayed to comic books, video games and toy lines. NEVER a movie.

we need another ALIEN film.

Yeah screw the Prometheus sequels. I want to see the xenomorph in a new fresh light again and Sigourney Weaver at the helm producing it. Prometheus fell flat and hard entertainment wise and I don't think it has much to carry. Alien 5 could at least be a new beginning for the series while still extending the story to the xenomorph and to Ripley. Why do you guys want boring sequels to Prometheus? I want to see the Aliens again for Christ sake. Especially if the director has a good track record and is able to push the series into new territory.

What part of the story is left to finish, honestly? Most fans agree that A R was somewhere between awful and a fun movie, but Ripleys story ended at 3. If you want to take the franchise in new directions, I'd start with comic adaptations that bring to light the Alien menace is scattered across the universe, under the title Aliens: (insert sub name here).

That way, you have an infinitely large fictional universe to create material that is based on the original films but not limited to Ripley-based stories. You can have more Colonial Marines, more Weyland-Yutani, more space truckers and more Gateway station. Other planets, colonies, new characters and more insight on the creatures.

The biggest threat to the expansion of the Alien universe are the limits currently in place. Once you expand to outside the events of Acheron and show that Engineers and Aliens are spread throughout space, you can go wherever you want. If movies are canon, you need a new movie for new canon.

No thank you. Ripley has been drained dry. I thought the third movie was stretching to include her (star power over story telling) and the fourth movie was abysmal.

"Always leave them wanting more" is the old show business adage.  Alien Resurrection left me wanting less.

Quote from: Immolater on Jul 27, 2014, 10:59:06 AM
we need another ALIEN film.

An Alien film that probably has NOTHING to do with Ripley. Feature a new protagonist, and go somewhere with that.. I'll be good with that but to continue on with Ripley's story? No, no we don't.

Quote from: Valaquen on Jul 27, 2014, 04:31:22 PM
No thank you. Ripley has been drained dry. I thought the third movie was stretching to include her (star power over story telling) and the fourth movie was abysmal.

Agreed whole heartedly. While I liked Alien 3, or rather the Assembly Cut of the movie rather than the theatrical version anyway.. The franchise should've ended there. Or for those who had hated Alien 3, then the franchise should either ended with Aliens or gone in a completely different direction. Of course, we have the now retconned and arguably non-canon (due to the reboot comics on the way) Dark Horse comics which were published in '88-89. Those explore Ripley's exploits in a different route.

Quote from: Chronicle on Jul 27, 2014, 02:52:53 PM
Prometheus fell flat and hard entertainment wise and I don't think it has much to carry. Why do you guys want boring sequels to Prometheus?

While I liked Prometheus, I couldn't help but feel as if.. there was really pretentious air about the movie. More and more I find myself personally just not caring about the upcoming sequel. More and more I am finding myself just not really caring about these franchises because.. I haven't been very pleased with where the are going. First with Colonial Marines, now the pandering with Prometheus in the comics.. While I don't know where Prometheus 2 is headed, something just tells me that I just wouldn't care enough to be excited for it. If Alien 5 were to be announced, chances are I wouldn't be excited for it either.

I won't mind if they have it that Alien 3 and Resurrection where just one big dream at the end of Aliens  ;).

Quote from: Hellspawn28 on Jul 27, 2014, 08:04:31 PM
I won't mind if they have it that Alien 3 and Resurrection where just one big dream at the end of Aliens  ;).

Going the Ripley's Nightmare route, are we?

An easy conventional, if not cliche way to retcon the last two movies out continuity but would it bode well with long time fans?

It's a soap opera plot device. If they pull that, I'm out.

That ship already sailed when they brought Ripley back to life.

Quote from: Local Trouble on Jul 27, 2014, 10:02:58 PM
That ship already sailed when they brought Ripley back to life.

Ha, TRUTH!  :D

Quote from: Local Trouble on Jul 27, 2014, 10:02:58 PM
That ship already sailed when they brought Ripley back to life.

If the ship sailed then I'm on a floating raft made of plywood in the middle of the ocean.

I quit after ALIENS,ALIEN3 i consider a interesting curio and AR is dead to me.

Alright guys, we can keep alien³ and everything will be alright. All we have to do is explain away the bullshit that happened; that shortly after they enter into hyper-sleep a team of predators interested in this kick ass family decide to kidnap them. Ergo while they are asleep they are taken and replacements are put in. aka cheap clone knockoffs, however to make things interesting(and because predators are dicks) the predator decides to leave a few eggs on board. Bang, boom, thank you very much! We now have an explanation of why the eggs were there, why the facehugger makes no sense, why bishop pusses out, and most importantly of all, how the dumbasses from A|R were able to get blood samples of Ripley's DNA. They stole that form the predators sometime after finding their crashed ship. cough, cough, AVP3.

How's that for some serious continuity bullshit.

I'd love to see an Alien 5, just not with Ripley in it. Do something new.

Quote from: whiterabbit on Jul 28, 2014, 07:47:03 AM
How's that for some serious continuity bullshit.

Predators aren't part of the Alien universe, so it don't matter none.  ;)

Quote from: Uncanny Antman on Jul 28, 2014, 10:43:33 AM

Quote from: whiterabbit on Jul 28, 2014, 07:47:03 AM
How's that for some serious continuity bullshit.

Predators aren't part of the Alien universe, so it don't matter none.  ;)

not yet


:laugh:

avpu meets alienu, it's only a mater of time.

Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jul 28, 2014, 10:41:54 AM
I'd love to see an Alien 5, just not with Ripley in it. Do something new.

I'm in 2 minds about this. I'd like them to finally close off the Ripley story (again!) but I'd also like to see new Alien films. Granted, I don't really care either way if they're actually good.

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jul 28, 2014, 11:18:03 AMI'm in 2 minds about this. I'd like them to finally close off the Ripley story (again!) but I'd also like to see new Alien films. Granted, I don't really care either way if they're actually good.

Like others have said, I don't have a lot of interest in finding out what happened to Ripley 8, and Ellen Ripley died quite fittingly in the third film. I'd rather they just had the initiative to create some new characters.

Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jul 28, 2014, 11:24:59 AM

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jul 28, 2014, 11:18:03 AMI'm in 2 minds about this. I'd like them to finally close off the Ripley story (again!) but I'd also like to see new Alien films. Granted, I don't really care either way if they're actually good.

Like others have said, I don't have a lot of interest in finding out what happened to Ripley 8, and Ellen Ripley died quite fittingly in the third film. I'd rather they just had the initiative to create some new characters.

Exactly. I'd just love to see more alien movies. Hopefully good movies.

Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jul 28, 2014, 11:24:59 AM

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jul 28, 2014, 11:18:03 AMI'm in 2 minds about this. I'd like them to finally close off the Ripley story (again!) but I'd also like to see new Alien films. Granted, I don't really care either way if they're actually good.

Like others have said, I don't have a lot of interest in finding out what happened to Ripley 8, and Ellen Ripley died quite fittingly in the third film. I'd rather they just had the initiative to create some new characters.

Her connection to the Aliens has potential to be interesting. But like I said, either way, as long as what we get is good.

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jul 28, 2014, 11:38:16 AMHer connection to the Aliens has potential to be interesting. But like I said, either way, as long as what we get is good.

Oh I'm sure there is potential there. I just think lately the series has been suffering a bit from everything having to be tied to the original films and characters, especially Ripley.

I would like to see a Morse spin-off movie. Perhaps a tale of how he goes on to write his book and subsequently founding a new religion. Could make for some interesting historical parallels as WY desperately tries to suppress this new faith and prophet.

Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Jul 28, 2014, 11:46:32 AM
I would like to see a Morse spin-off movie. Perhaps a tale of how he goes on to write his book and subsequently founding a new religion. Could make for some interesting historical parallels as WY desperately tries to suppress this new faith and prophet.

That was something I always wanted them to do a book on. Could easily see him being kidnapped or coerced into being an "Alien guide".

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jul 28, 2014, 12:10:58 PMThat was something I always wanted them to do a book on. Could easily see him being kidnapped or coerced into being an "Alien guide".

I think a story based on that would probably work better as a book than a film.

Yeah, a book would likely work better for this idea. Most people would probably not be that interested in seeing a secondary character from Alien 3 starring in his own film.

what is there to finish after alien resurrection? not interested. need a legit avp movie though. i think the alien movie list is complete anyway same as for the pred movies(excluding predators)

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jul 28, 2014, 12:10:58 PM
That was something I always wanted them to do a book on. Could easily see him being kidnapped or coerced into being an "Alien guide".

Couldn't you have a go at writing it? You must have loads of contacts at the publishers so easier to get your MS to them?

i think there should be no alien 5 i mean the whole point was ripley finally got back to earth after facing the horrors of space even though her clone did anyways, which was her original goal in the first alien movie "get back home"

1. Ellen Ripley died in the 3rd movie. the 4th one is about money. no one is intrested in that character since stated is  not the same one

2. Alien homeworld idea is killed of when Prometheus tied in the story. xenos are just creations of the black goo

@whiterabbit, now that some serious continuity bullshit I like.

If we see Alien 5, I hope its "This time its war!" again. I want more Colonial Marines movies  :laugh:

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jul 28, 2014, 11:18:03 AM

Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jul 28, 2014, 10:41:54 AM
I'd love to see an Alien 5, just not with Ripley in it. Do something new.

I'm in 2 minds about this. I'd like them to finally close off the Ripley story (again!) but I'd also like to see new Alien films. Granted, I don't really care either way if they're actually good.

I'm happy to let the series rest, in the same manner that I don't want another Godfather movie, or another Rocky, or whatever. Sometimes things need to stop. I loathe the 'franchise', but I love a few of the movies involved.

Quote from: Valaquen on Jul 28, 2014, 06:56:40 PM
I'm happy to let the series rest, in the same manner that I don't want another Godfather movie, or another Rocky, or whatever. Sometimes things need to stop. I loathe the 'franchise', but I love a few of the movies involved.

I agree with this. After the Prometheus movies are done, just give the franchise a long needed rest. If they want to continue the story, that's what the EU is for to satisfy the fans. Then again I've met few here who like the EU. Personally, I think the Alien story is just tired and done. Prometheus is fertile ground but after those.. give the Alien/Predator universes a rest.

I loved most of the movies that have come out, but right now it's kind of the family dog that's just grown old and tired. And right now it seems as if Fox wants the old dog to do some new tricks before putting it down.

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jul 28, 2014, 12:10:58 PM

Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Jul 28, 2014, 11:46:32 AM
I would like to see a Morse spin-off movie. Perhaps a tale of how he goes on to write his book and subsequently founding a new religion. Could make for some interesting historical parallels as WY desperately tries to suppress this new faith and prophet.

That was something I always wanted them to do a book on. Could easily see him being kidnapped or coerced into being an "Alien guide".

We could always see Morse end up founding the sect that gets exiled to Arceon and then Vincent Ward would finally get to make his wooden planet movie.  Imagine the universe coming full circle and Shaw being the protagonist of that story after being in hypersleep on the juggernaut for a couple of centuries.  Maybe she even encounters Ripley 8.  ;D

Given that Ridley doesnt seem that interested in doing Prometheus 2 (he keeps choosing different projects before Prommy 2)...

Alien 5 might be the path forward...

it would be kinda interesting if Alien 5 contradicts Prometheus...  :laugh:

Quote from: Local Trouble on Jul 28, 2014, 07:45:13 PM
We could always see Morse end up founding the sect that gets exiled to Arceon and then Vincent Ward would finally get to make his wooden planet movie.  Imagine the universe coming full circle and Shaw being the protagonist of that story after being in hypersleep on the juggernaut for a couple of centuries.  Maybe she even encounters Ripley 8.  ;D

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Make it so?  Or are do you want some tea, Earl Grey, hot?

I thought he was saying "ENOUGH OF THIS SHIT'?  ???

I think he's actually saying "engage."

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Quote from: Valaquen on Jul 28, 2014, 06:56:40 PM
I'm happy to let the series rest, in the same manner that I don't want another Godfather movie, or another Rocky, or whatever. Sometimes things need to stop. I loathe the 'franchise', but I love a few of the movies involved.

I don't want it to stay ended on the sour notes it has.

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jul 29, 2014, 07:22:00 AMI don't want it to stay ended on the sour notes it has.

I'll counter that by saying with the fourth film at the end, you can simply ignore it. If they made a decent, direct sequel to it, you'd have to acknowledge it's existence :)

I agree.
Yeah Ellen Ripley died in A3, but the Ripley 8 is still her sort of?.....so there is still that aspect of the xeno/human clone.
What happened to Earth?
Why was the ALIEN acting the way it did in the end of the original?
There are probably a few more questions that need to be answered and hopefully Sigourney Weaver gets the chance to show us.

I can't imagine we'd get answers to either of those questions.

Just give me some more aliens.  :'(

I don't even care if it is a movie about beach volleyball just as long as there are some aliens in it. Not too keen on seeing Rip in a bikini though...

Quote from: RakaiThwei on Jul 28, 2014, 07:03:12 PM
I agree with this. After the Prometheus movies are done, just give the franchise a long needed rest. If they want to continue the story, that's what the EU is for to satisfy the fans. Then again I've met few here who like the EU. Personally, I think the Alien story is just tired and done. Prometheus is fertile ground but after those.. give the Alien/Predator universes a rest.

But... but...

what about the forum. I mean, we can't just keep on arguing about old movies over and over again.

Can we? Oh wait...

--- What about TV? Is that a viable option for the continuation of many a flagging franchise? I'm not sure Ripley's story could continue on telly (unless it was a total reboot), but you could do something with Wey-Yu (like X-files). Or just things "set in the alienverse" - I'm sure people would watch that.

I thought of this in the light of the new Snake Plissken comic - years ago, Carpenter and Russell pitched a EFNY series to a network and they turned it down because it was "too dark" - back then, yes - now, I reckon that's just what people seem to want.

Production values on the telly are great now as we know, there are so many things I can think of that'd work great as TV shows -- Underworld, Resident Evil (mind you, there may as well be a series there are so many films now), AL III EN(s) - even Star Wars was being spoken about -- not sure that's still a project though.

It's not exactly breaking new ground - this has been done before (even now, there's Dusk til Dawn), but I think it could work.

Even if that was wildly off topic.

Back on topic, I've read a few times on here that maybe there could (and perhaps should) be an AvP3?

With this Ripley idea - only if it's "Ripley's Dream" as people have pointed out. I dunno - I'm leaning towards new horizons with the franchise(s) if anything - I'm in agreement that Ripley's arc is complete, so they'd have to retcon it Bobby Ewing style.

Quote from: Russ on Jul 29, 2014, 08:31:02 AMBack on topic, I've read a few times on here that maybe there could (and perhaps should) be an AvP3?

I actually think an AVP film could be kinda awesome, but they shot themselves in the foot big time when they went and made two that sucked balls.

You'd think, but Superman III and IV sucked balls, yet we got the (wonderful, in my view) Superman Returns.

Someone must want to do a "real" AvP (look, you know I really love the first one - AvP:R not so much), but many people perceive both films as failures - yet the core franchises and the spin-offs (games etc) are as popular as ever. Remember there was BIG news at ComicCon the one one year when they had stands for what people thought was a new Predator film (it was for the 3d in the end, wasn't it).

Point being - taking on AvP III would be a challenge but it could be awesome. Or, do you think its the cinematic equivalent of some motherf**kers always trying ice-skate uphill?

Quote from: Russ on Jul 29, 2014, 08:45:50 AMYou'd think, but Superman III and IV sucked balls, yet we got the (wonderful, in my view) Superman Returns.

The difference there is you still had the original Superman, which is regarded as a classic and remembered fondly. The AVP films sucked straight out the gate. From the word go they were mediocre at best and a catastrophic letdown at worst (not trying to insult you for liking them, but I think that's probably the popular opinion). That fact undeniably damaged the viability of the franchise. Yeah, you've got the Alien and Predator films before them, but AVP sort of feels like it's own thing (possibly because of the decisions made with the plots of the first two films).

Quote from: Russ on Jul 29, 2014, 08:45:50 AMPoint being - taking on AvP III would be a challenge but it could be awesome. Or, do you think its the cinematic equivalent of some motherf**kers always trying ice-skate uphill?

I think the main problem is the performance and reception of the first two films will discourage them from putting in a huge amount of effort with another one - yet that effort is exactly what it needs to be decent. The first two felt so lazy, it was like they just threw the monsters together and who gives a sh*t about the rest. I probably couldn't even tell you the name of a single character from the two films combined, they were that vapid and forgettable. It felt like they weren't even trying to make a decent film, it was just b-movie crap to them and they didn't care (especially so with the second film).

I see no reason why an AVP film couldn't have a little more integrity than that. Obviously it's still monsters fighting, but why shouldn't we get a decent plot and interesting characters along with that?

Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jul 29, 2014, 09:13:52 AM

I think the main problem is the performance and reception of the first two films ...

Reception yes, performance I don't know about. I'm pretty sure AvP made oodles of cash -- I'm not sure about AvP:R though, but I think the appeal of the beasties will make whatever shit they put up there stick - this is what many people say about the first two *lol*

Don't get me wrong - I really loved AvP, but I'm not saying "that's the ultimate AvP movie, it can't be topped." It had some great ideas, the von Danieken thing was really ace for instance, but I think we all wanted Colonial Marines vs Predators with Added Aliens.

But that's another thread.

Back to this one - No more Ripley arc... new stories, new people. I must rewatch Prometheus... I really didn't "feel" it the first time I saw it... It was OK, but if I'm asking for new Alien stories with new people, that's the closest there's been for a while.

i want a scary, suspensful, avp movie with marines and weyland corps, i feel nothing for the first two.

Ripley had her chance and we basically got Alien³ and A|R for it. The next movie should expand the mythos is some fashion. The xenos should be willing to negotiate a peace to only have humans f**k it up and stab them in the tubes.

i think its time to let the alien and pred franchise rest seperatly they were a good run, i mean the films that were made in the twentieth century. The predators, prometheus(better left as a mystery or should remained a book), two failed avp movies i didnt care for those movies.  think its time to stop dicken around and give us the avp movie the franchise has been waiting for, its the future of the franchise in tieing in the alien and predator classics in together. give us the right picture texture like the classics had, props, costumes, camera shot angles, shadows, art, not the bright cgi colors

Well, I'd like there to be a film with a sense of a point to the alien species as if they were heading somewhere with a purpose, maybe another stage in their evolution might reveal something else about them that's been locked away in their DNA and it might be as if a strange ancient ritual has to be fulfilled, and I don't mean have them as 'kill fodder' for n Predator's Rights of Passage Ritual. Ripley 8 finds that she needs to help the Aliens species get to where they need to go and become what they must beyond the shortsightedness of the human race who really ought to have taken precautions from day one with the alien species in order to get along with them. I'd probably have them revisit the Alien derelict and find it still completely intact, find that there was more to it than eggs in the cargo hold and get people who want to include Aliens directors cut as canon screaming abuse.

And having said that, Ripley 8 will find out that it was completely the wrong thing to do.

ah the glory days of the 70s 80s and 90s, people knew how to make sci-fi movies back then, today its like a different breed with CGI up the ass and all hail technology

If the first one is horror, the second action, the third something like detective fiction, the fourth probably related to conspiracy, then the fifth should be an epic leading to the end of the story arc.

No, Prometheus 2 or nothing at all.

Screw the aliens directors cut. I can live without that. :P AVP is nice and all but that has no business in the alien or predator canon. It's AVP, silliness ensures. However what wmmvrrvrrmm said is the issue. The aliens were made into pussies. The point of the movies since aliens is to find reasons to make movies. They had to shove magical super facehuggers onto the sulaco to make alien³, then find magical super Ripley blood to make A|R. WHY? They already have the perfect alien creature to base an entire franchise on. They really should focus on the mythos of the creature. Make the point of the movies the alien itself. Which of course prometheus probably was meant to have been but then decided to ignore them and focus on the space jockey instead. Which is ok but not what many of us wanted.

QuoteWHY? They already have the perfect alien creature to base an entire franchise on.

Because Ripley is iconic.

Its all about story for me. If the script is well written with the Ripley character absolutely!

Though the only way I can see a way to resolve or bring closure for Ripley. Is to annihilate the ALIEN species. Then she would be at peace.  Of course then we'd be trying to figure out how to bring the ALIEN back! ;)   

For me at this point its not so much about the ALIEN being scary. Its about surviving the perfect organism. How the creature evolves either from learned behavior or from traits picked up from its host. How it adapts and how it came to be...do they communicate? Have language?

At the pen of a creative writer there are so many paths to explore. I'm crossing my fingers they will find the "perfect" script. Then it will be R.I.P.ley (this is the title of a magazine article...wishing I was that clever ;) )

The fans are a tough crowd to please...and I wouldn't want it any other way. I've learned so much from the various opinions & view points on this site. Its what keeps me coming back. 

Ripley died when she fell into the furnace in ALIEN 3. Her story arc reached its logical (and very satisfying) conclusion in that iconic scene. There's nothing to resolve imo.

She wasn't killed by an exploding fusion reactor though.

Quote from: Eva on Jul 29, 2014, 11:43:56 PM
Ripley died when she fell into the furnace in ALIEN 3. Her story arc reached its logical (and very satisfying) conclusion in that iconic scene. There's nothing to resolve imo.

Ditto, here. Alien Resurrection is the 'Holiday Special' of the Alien saga.

Ellen Ripley died.

RIPLEY 8 LIVES, BITCHES!!!!!

f**k ripley 8. Quite frankly I don't give a flying damn about her. :P

Seriously though, who cares. Stories over man. Stories OVER! Does anybody really want to see A|R2? That is exactly what a movie with Ripley 08 is going to be. Alien Resurrection Part Deux. Come on man, you can count me out. How about the rest of you?  :laugh:

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Story ended in Alien 3, there really is no reason to bring back Ripley or the Benjamin Button clone that unravelled her character development. I'd rather see what they'll do with the magic black goo.

Quote from: whiterabbit on Jul 30, 2014, 02:25:53 AMCome on man, you can count me out.

Yeah, I guess we can just count you out of everything.

Quotethat unravelled her character development

lol

Quote from: whiterabbit on Jul 30, 2014, 02:25:53 AM
Come on man, you can count me out. How about the rest of you?  :laugh:

I'm in agreement. Just leave well enough alone.

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Not "for reasons unknown".  They made the AvP films on company orders, that destroyed a franchise.

And your entertainment.

I still wake up at night with my sheets soaked in sweat.  :(

Quote from: SM on Jul 30, 2014, 05:57:16 AM
Not "for reasons unknown".  They made the AvP films on company orders, that destroyed a franchise.

And your entertainment.

Alright, you win the night. That was way better than what I was expecting.  :laugh: :laugh:

Quote from: whiterabbit on Jul 30, 2014, 02:25:53 AM
f**k ripley 8. Quite frankly I don't give a flying damn about her. :P

Thing is she has the potential to be more interesting than Ripley ever was. Her connection to the Aliens opens so many possibilities. But that'd depend on how well that was handled.

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Quote from: whiterabbit on Jul 30, 2014, 02:25:53 AM
f**k ripley 8. Quite frankly I don't give a flying damn about her. :P

Thing is she has the potential to be more interesting than Ripley ever was. Her connection to the Aliens opens so many possibilities. But that'd depend on how well that was handled.

Potential that will forever be untapped. All the while delaying other possibilities. As a fan, I just get this vibe that there will never be another alien movie until Weaver bites the dust.

Quote from: whiterabbit on Jul 30, 2014, 08:25:11 AMAs a fan, I just get this vibe that there will never be another alien movie until Weaver bites the dust.

Weaver's got nothing to do with it. If anything she seems far more interested in doing another film than the studio is.

Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jul 30, 2014, 08:38:28 AM

Quote from: whiterabbit on Jul 30, 2014, 08:25:11 AMAs a fan, I just get this vibe that there will never be another alien movie until Weaver bites the dust.

Weaver's got nothing to do with it. If anything she seems far more interested in doing another film than the studio is.

Well yea, the moment the studio shows any interest, guess who'll be there knocking on the door. RIPlay. :P

So she should.

Talking about the character Ripley and not Weaver. In hindsight they could just get someone else to play Ripley any ways.

However, again, I doubt we'll ever get a movie unless it has Ripley in the story. Which is why I figure it'll just never happen.

The point that began this conversation.  ;) 

Is Sigourney Weaver feels that the Ripley story is not resolved. And She would like to finish / resolve this.
Who more than her has the right to have a "say" on what concerns the character Ripley. I'm guessing...that the plot would address this and still leave plots to battle the xenomorphs in the future.

If she insists, I can accept an Alien 5 that wraps up Ripley's belabored-as-f**k-all story, but I don't want to see Call or any of other goofball survivors from AR again.  Ron Perlman does nothing for me.

Quote from: Local Trouble on Jul 30, 2014, 05:29:40 PM
If she insists, I can accept an Alien 5 that wraps up Ripley's belabored-as-f**k-all story, but I don't want to see Call or any of other goofball survivors from AR again.  Ron Perlman does nothing for me.

Alright, then that's how story will start off. Rip and Johner hook up and call becomes some sort of maid for Vriess. Now where are we going to find any aliens. There is no plausible way the derelict exists in A|R. I guess they could go the demon spawn route... I'd hate to see a Rip8/Johner mutant baby though.

I'd like to see her return for Alien 5 just because.

Quote from: Darwinsgirl on Jul 30, 2014, 03:42:35 PM
The point that began this conversation.  ;) 

Is Sigourney Weaver feels that the Ripley story is not resolved. And She would like to finish / resolve this.
Who more than her has the right to have a "say" on what concerns the character Ripley. I'm guessing...that the plot would address this and still leave plots to battle the xenomorphs in the future.

To be fair, she's not short of a few quid - if she was that keen, she should exec produce (not saying she should fund the whole thing), but money-where-her-mouth-is (and the huge profit this would make) would probably be enough to get the ball rolling?

She's not a charity for one of the richest and most powerful companies on Earth.

How would reaping the profits of her investment make her a charity?

I badly worded it.  I meant she shouldn't be providing charity for Fox/ News Corp.

And she doesn't have the money to fund a film of this calibre anyway.

That's why I wrote "not saying she should fund the whole thing."

But a commitment to part fund wouldn't hurt the project. I'm pretty sure that a Sigourney Weaver produced Alien movie would be warmly received in many quarters and I'd be very confident she'd get a good ROI.

Would it have to be a hugely expensive movie? Prometheus was, of course, would they need to spend 100 million on Alien5? Maybe they would (I know that - maligned as it is - AvP was done pretty cheaply and looked pretty good).

But, that's all pure fantasy - I doubt if she would exec produce, I guess its just wishful thinking on my part.

Quote from: Russ on Jul 31, 2014, 11:34:41 AMI know that - maligned as it is - AvP was done pretty cheaply and looked pretty good.

AVP wasn't set hundreds of years in the future (solely because they weren't given the budget to do that).

QuoteBut a commitment to part fund wouldn't hurt the project. I'm pretty sure that a Sigourney Weaver produced Alien movie would be warmly received in many quarters and I'd be very confident she'd get a good ROI.

Weaver simply committing to another Alien film adds value to the project, because she's a bankable star.

That said she 'co-produced' Alien3 and Resurrection already and they weren't warmly received in many quarters.

I think there's a bit of a difference between a vanity credit and someone who's actually putting their money into the project though? Hence your '' marks - her credit on those movies was pretty much a "thanks to you for signing up and making it happen" - I think you've alluded to something like that elsewhere.

And I don't think she's particularly happy with either movie (else there wouldn't be more stories to tell from her perspective?).

But as I say - her actually producing or exec producing probably is just wishful thinking on my part. Directing... hmmmm... that'd be interesting... Or even writing. Wow. that'd be ace, no one knows Ripley like her (I think I read somewhere that she was doing the DLC for the new Alien game and kept saying "Ripley would say this" or "Ripley would do that.."

Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jul 31, 2014, 11:41:07 AM
AVP wasn't set hundreds of years in the future (solely because they weren't given the budget to do that).

I'm not convinced that a sci-fi future setting has to cost hundreds of millions of dollars to look good. It sure helps, though!

Quote from: Russ on Jul 31, 2014, 12:28:35 PM
But as I say - her actually producing or exec producing probably is just wishful thinking on my part. Directing... hmmmm... that'd be interesting... Or even writing. Wow. that'd be ace, no one knows Ripley like her (I think I read somewhere that she was doing the DLC for the new Alien game and kept saying "Ripley would say this" or "Ripley would do that.."

That's basically the same thing she was doing with Cameron's script. And he was happy to go along with her suggestions because as you said, nobody knows Ripley better than Weaver.

Writing or directing a whole movie on the other hand is a completely different kettle of fish.

I'm not sure the point you're making. I cited the game as an example of her knowing the character and suggested that if she wrote or directed an Alien film, that'd be interesting (or ace).

You then say "that's just what she did on Aliens" citing the game example.

I don't understand

Quote from: Russ on Jul 31, 2014, 12:28:35 PM

Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jul 31, 2014, 11:41:07 AM
AVP wasn't set hundreds of years in the future (solely because they weren't given the budget to do that).

I'm not convinced that a sci-fi future setting has to cost hundreds of millions of dollars to look good. It sure helps, though!

And they had to build new sets anyway. They just did it on the cheap in Prague.

Pyramid interiors and fake snow are cheaper than space ship interiors and cgi space/alienscapes, I guess? I'm still not convinced that you need hundreds of millions to create an effective future look - but as I said, having hundreds of millions would certainly make it easier.

It all adds up I guess. I just heard the reason the film was set in the present (thereby totally undermining the fact no one was supposed to have seen the Alien before the Nostromo) was to save money.

Quote from: Russ on Jul 31, 2014, 02:00:57 PM
I'm not sure the point you're making. I cited the game as an example of her knowing the character and suggested that if she wrote or directed an Alien film, that'd be interesting (or ace).

You then say "that's just what she did on Aliens" citing the game example.

I don't understand

No, I cited the film example. Meaning that it is something she's been doing since Aliens and that her extensive input on Ripley in A:I is not unique in anyway.

Knowing the Ripley character very well doesn't automatically qualify her as a director nor scriptwriter.

Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Jul 31, 2014, 04:51:59 PM
Knowing the Ripley character very well doesn't automatically qualify her as a director nor scriptwriter.

I agree.  :)  It does qualify her on knowing what Ripley would or would not do.

I'm revisiting the ALIEN Quad special features. Jeunet wanted Sigourney to do something (not revealed) in ALIEN Resurrection and she refused because the character wouldn't do that. It must have been way off (maybe more of the dark humor?:P) being Ripley 8 is not the Ripley of the previous films.

Winona Ryder said she has like 20 notebooks on Ripley. Maybe one day some of her diaries will find its way to a special features section on disc or a book about Ripley & her experiences playing her. 8)

Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jul 31, 2014, 03:03:31 PM
It all adds up I guess. I just heard the reason the film was set in the present (thereby totally undermining the fact no one was supposed to have seen the Alien before the Nostromo) was to save money.

Davis, the producer, wanted it on Earth because he thought it would be scarier, according to him on one of the making-of documentaries for the first movie.

Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Jul 31, 2014, 04:51:59 PM

No, I cited the film example. Meaning that it is something she's been doing since Aliens and that her extensive input on Ripley in A:I is not unique in anyway.

Knowing the Ripley character very well doesn't automatically qualify her as a director nor scriptwriter.

Because of course, no actor ever has written a film or directed one.

At any rate, I'm not sure I said it automatically qualifies her. I said it'd be interesting. And ace. Though, if she was going to do that sort of thing, I guess she would have done it by now.

I doubt anyone would get handed anything north of $50 million for a film without a proven directorial track record in either film or television/commercials.

I just think you're being obtuse now.

Quote from: SiL on Jul 31, 2014, 08:51:47 PM

Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jul 31, 2014, 03:03:31 PM
It all adds up I guess. I just heard the reason the film was set in the present (thereby totally undermining the fact no one was supposed to have seen the Alien before the Nostromo) was to save money.

Davis, the producer, wanted it on Earth because he thought it would be scarier, according to him on one of the making-of documentaries for the first movie.

I still can't believe 20th Century Fox handed over 2 of their most iconic franchises to a bunch of twats with so little understanding of what made the original movies work in the first place.

Twice.

Quote from: Eva on Aug 02, 2014, 12:59:57 AM

I still can't believe 20th Century Fox handed over 2 of their most iconic franchises to a bunch of twats with so little understanding of what made the original movies work in the first place.

Twice.

Are you surprised?  Generally speaking aren't sequels (as well prequels and reboots for that matter) expected to not live up to the original because enough in the past have not?

I'm a bit cynical about this.  I am not at all surprised that 20th Century Fox would do what it thought would bring it money.  I do not understand how it, as an entity, could have any passion for a particular franchise beyond its capacity to make money.  So what if maybe an exec here or there has fond memories of a particular film and wants to see its presequelboot "done right".  Does that one person alone get to choose scripts, directors and then sign the checks?

What would surprise me is if, after 20th does whatever it feels it needs to do to get Alien 5 filmed and released, I walked away from watching it the first time thinking "Holy crap.  That was it.  That was everything that made Alien so damned haunting, dialed to 11." 

I will not hold my breath. 

Quote from: Russ on Aug 01, 2014, 06:21:58 AM
Because of course, no actor ever has written a film or directed one.

It has happened  "Good Will Hunting" written by Ben Affleck & Matt Damon. It won 2 academy awards..one of them for Best Original Screenplay. It grossed over $225 million.

Just saying... ;) :)   

I don't think its likely myself...

Quote from: Darwinsgirl on Aug 02, 2014, 03:33:44 PM

Quote from: Russ on Aug 01, 2014, 06:21:58 AM
Because of course, no actor ever has written a film or directed one.

It has happened  "Good Will Hunting" written by Ben Affleck & Matt Damon. It won 2 academy awards..one of them for Best Original Screenplay. It grossed over $225 million.

Just saying... ;) :)   

I think he was being sarcastic. 'Rocky', much?  ;D

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Quote from: Darwinsgirl on Aug 02, 2014, 03:33:44 PM

Quote from: Russ on Aug 01, 2014, 06:21:58 AM
Because of course, no actor ever has written a film or directed one.

It has happened  "Good Will Hunting" written by Ben Affleck & Matt Damon. It won 2 academy awards..one of them for Best Original Screenplay. It grossed over $225 million.

Just saying... ;) :)   

I think he was being sarcastic. 'Rocky', much?  ;D

Doh ! Totally missed it! :P :laugh:

Ripley had already died at the end of Alien 3. I don't see or get what Sigourney meant by returning to the Alien movies. So now what? Some possibilites just came across but they would still be terrible to explain why and if Ripley is still alive or  if Sigourney Weaver comes back to repise her role as the Eighth Clone (Ripley-8) from Alien Resurrection. Maybe it will be an Alien+Aliens reboot remake of sorts?

Oh or maybe a nother bogus excuse, oh btw now Ripley has a "twin" ::)

Otherwise maybe some other bogus retcon excuse they'll write in the script to try to throw out Alien 3 and Resurrection and treat them as if they were just really long bad dreams or "premonitions" Ripley had? This had been considered way back at one point if I remember that Alien Movies FAQs.

Maybe time-travel of some sort that alter the events therefore whatever we had seen Alien 3 and Resurrection never "actually" occurred, or thus creating an "alternate timeline and/or universe".

Think it would be an easy fix and retcon to resurrect a character killed off right? I very much doubt it, and I bet most people here have the same opinion regarding such attempt. Maybe if they had gone that route in the first place without the terrible Alien Resurrection story, but even now I think it would be far far too late.

The already attempted to "undo" Hick's death with the Aliens Colonial Marines video game, which wasn't very believable and had way too many continuity mistakes.

Perhaps the story has something hinted or splashed in regarding the Engineers (Space Jockeys). Maybe they have some form of biotechnology that could resurrect chestbursted victims :P

Either way I am lost on her for this one, but hey in time we will all see what she actually meant.

Quote from: Eva on Aug 02, 2014, 12:59:57 AM
I still can't believe 20th Century Fox handed over 2 of their most iconic franchises to a bunch of twats with so little understanding of what made the original movies work in the first place.

Twice.

Honestly, I think Anderson did understand.

He just wasn't good enough to do it himself.

He's right, for example, when he says that the slower builds of the first two Alien films contributed immensely to their effectiveness, but where those films built tension and unease, he has a bunch of people wandering around saying "Dafuq is this? Dafuq is that? Oh no, I'm dead!" for two thirds of the damn film. He understood the concept, he just wasn't competent enough in the work he did on the film to nail the execution.

Anderson did a pretty reasonable job with Event Horizon. It's certainly got issues but I though it was pretty decent myself. It's most likely that which got him the AvP gig in the first place.

I like Event Horizon too. A much better Alien film than AVP was.

I remember being excited for AvP before it came out because of Event Horizon. Shame how it turned out though.

Quote from: SiL on Aug 03, 2014, 05:11:17 AM
Honestly, I think Anderson did understand.

He just wasn't good enough to do it himself.

He's right, for example, when he says that the slower builds of the first two Alien films contributed immensely to their effectiveness, but where those films built tension and unease, he has a bunch of people wandering around saying "Dafuq is this? Dafuq is that? Oh no, I'm dead!" for two thirds of the damn film. He understood the concept, he just wasn't competent enough in the work he did on the film to nail the execution.

Precisely. When you look at the special feature interviews, you probably can believe the story concept got pitched with the same atmosphere as 'Jaws', just as (I think) the producer explained. But pitching something in a meeting is often different to how the details of a finished script turn out to be.

And even then, another director (or even himself, if he'd been in 'Event Horizon' mode, rather than 'Resident Evil') could have done certain things to portray the same thing in a different way. There were a bunch of scenes which could have had exactly the same dialogue and things taking place, but which didn't feel right, simply because of the wrong timing, music, lighting, way they were shot and all the rest of it.

Even so, it wasn't as bad as it could have been. 'Requiem' is a cautionary tale in that direction, if ever there was.

I had an idea before Prometheus was announced and it was just a prequel that they should introduce a new characer and then link that character up with Ripley in a sequel.

Now with all the universe building that goes on in modern mainstream movies I wonder is there an idea in FOX to try and link together the ALIEN / PROMETHEUS series.

I don't think that is outside and realm of possibility. They just did it with X Men.
They'd need to really establish some time dilation plot device to get them both Shaw/David and Ripley into the same time zone.
Maybe Ripley 8 could find the course to the Engineer home planet and go there alone and somehow arrive there before Shaw?????

I dunno, I would rather they link up though than keep them separate. I would love to see Ripley take down Shaw's silly belief's several hundred notches.

Quote from: tmjhur on Aug 03, 2014, 07:22:45 PMNow with all the universe building that goes on in modern mainstream movies I wonder is there an idea in FOX to try and link together the ALIEN / PROMETHEUS series.

Given how they specifically moved Prometheus away from Alien during it's development, that seems kinda unlikely. But I guess studios change their mind all the time.

They could put Shaw in hypersleep for a few centuries.  She could wake up on the juggernaut to Ripley 8's disapproving face.

Quote from: Local Trouble on Aug 03, 2014, 08:08:14 PM
The could put Shaw in hypersleep for a few centuries.  She could wake up on the juggernaut to Ripley 8's disapproving face.

Ripley 8: "What.  Did.  You.  Do?"
Shaw: "I wanted to believe!"

I can think of worse things than Sigourney Weaver verbally abusing Noomi Rapeface.  I couldn't stand Shaw.

How would you do the story though?

Ripley makes it her goal to find out where the ALIEN came from which leads her to the same destination as SHAW and DAVID?
And then maybe you learn what happened to Shaw and David by Ripley doing the detective work?

Or you do one movie where Shaw and David get to the Engineer homeworld and whatever happens happens.

Then in the next movie Ripley gets to the homeworld and finds David and possibly a cryogenically frozen Shaw and they all get together and do whatever they want to do.

Ripley and David for Engineer/Xeno King and Queen!!!!!!

Anyway I'm just typing aloud here but it's certainly possible to get the characters together if they want to.

I suspect Ripley 8 would view the events as the Engineers getting what was coming to them. She wasn't too big on compassion.

If I were abducted, held at gunpoint, and told that I would earn my freedom, and $100,000 USD somehow tax free (I'm not cheap) if I wrote the script for Alien 5 and it had to include:

-Ripley 8
-The above encountering Shaw and David.
-The origins of the Alien

I would be in that room a long time, or possibly dead after being shot during an escape attempt.

If, however, I was granted latitude on the last plot point I would, as I'm about to, hack out something like this:

-Ripley 8 would be tracking down the "alien homeworld" to exterminate them "once and for all!"
-Shaw and David would be finally on the Engineer homeworld having adventured through time and space.  There they meet Ripley 8, who just stumbled upon it.
-The Engineer homeworld is in ruins.  Yes, the Alien did it.  They learn that the Alien is very adaptable when it comes to reproduction especially after driving a spacefaring race back to something like a stone age.  Anything goes, and all of it is horrible.
-The three team up when they conclude, via completely unbiased analysis, that the Engineers created the Alien and were predictably murdered by it.
-They learn of a remnant of Engineers out in the cosmos.  Shaw wants to ask Why more plaintively than ever before, and Ripley 8 just wants to murder them.
-They find these Engineers holed up in some fortress, with countless goo-related traps.  We'll need extra human characters to suffer the body horror so our plucky trio can get through unscathed.
-These Engineers are clearly extremely paranoid and seem to be on the verge of ending themselves.  But when Ripley, Shaw, and David finally appear before them they seem relieved, and quit talkative.
-They reveal that they simply found the Alien (though not anywhere they believe is its homeworld) but on some other world ravaged by it (where they learned that civilization had once found the Alien as well.  They also reveal that the black goo originally had two purposes: first to immunize lifeforms against the Alien.  Second, to serve as a weapon against the Alien directly.  They failed miserably on both accounts because they used too much of the Alien's DNA in making the goo and it proved just as adaptable.  That or something made to fight a monster (surprise!) turned into a monster itself.  They hang their heads in shame and say "we were wrong".  Shaw looks crestfallen that someone stole her thunder.
-Their story told, the Engineers go into hibernation after telling our protagonists to go look in a nearby vault for "the truth/origin/destiny of the Alien"  (David has trouble translating that bit).  In that vault we see a map of the galaxy that shows that the Alien is effectively everywhere.  Roll credits.

I would be released and naturally not paid.  My script would go on to suffer so many rewrites it ended up as a Gremlins sequel.

Quote from: Local Trouble on Aug 03, 2014, 09:23:17 PMNoomi Rapeface

:D I knew I couldn't be the only person who calls her that!

What an awful wordplay.

Quote from: SiL on Aug 03, 2014, 05:11:17 AM

Honestly, I think Anderson did understand.

He just wasn't good enough to do it himself.

He's right, for example, when he says that the slower builds of the first two Alien films contributed immensely to their effectiveness, but where those films built tension and unease, he has a bunch of people wandering around saying "Dafuq is this? Dafuq is that? Oh no, I'm dead!" for two thirds of the damn film. He understood the concept, he just wasn't competent enough in the work he did on the film to nail the execution.

I really think he did too - watching all those special features and listening to the commentary, it's really clear that he has a lot of love for what he was doing and really wanted to give "the fans" (including himself, I guess) something "they'd never seen before."

I think it was in the commentary of "Aliens" where Cameron talks about the slow build? He says that about 40 minutes has gone by and nothing has really happened and "you'd never get away with that nowadays."

I'm not sure that its competency - I think he's a good (not great) director, but he's also a man that delivers what the studio wants - so maybe with all the money in the world and the time, he would have made a slow burner. Or not - It's difficult to say, given Anderson's track record: going on the majority of evidence, you'd be right (which is all we can go on) but then you look at Event Horizon and you think "well... may be he could have pulled it off better".

Quote from: tmjhurHow would you do the story though?

Quote from: MH-875If I were abducted, held at gunpoint, and told that I would earn my freedom, and $100,000 USD somehow tax free (I'm not cheap) if I wrote the script for Alien 5 and it had to include:

-Ripley 8
-The above encountering Shaw and David.
-The origins of the Alien

I'd be interested to hear if anyone actually wants to see a sequel with Ripley 8? I certainly wouldn't -  But then my unreasonable (but in my world totally reasonable) hatred of A:R is probably clouding my judgement.

Have to say that the "at gunpoint" synopsis sounds pretty good though... IF you had to have Ripley 8 *lol*.

Quote from: DarwinsGirlDoh ! Totally missed it!

I was being *lol*

Ridley and Jimbob doled out tidbits of info to the characters and by extension, the audience.

Paulie mostly told us stuff we already knew, or could easily guess.  We learn little about the characters and what we do learn isn't terribly exciting.  Conversely, have a look at how much we learned about Parker, Dallas, Ripley, Burke, Bishop, or Hicks.  Sweet f**k all - and yet they were all way more interesting than Lex ('Here's some backstory about my dad'), or Sebastian (aka Exposition Boy).  All Lex's backstory did was give Weyland more than one dimension.  Miller's death was predetermined as soon as he whipped the pictures of the kids out - yet, he was able to suddenly become interesting seconds before said death.

The original characters personalities are all determined off screen, and then portayed by the actors - rather than having it blatantly told to us "I act like this, because of this in my past".  An accusation that could be levelled at Shaw in Prometheus too while we're at it.

Quote from: SM on Aug 04, 2014, 08:53:48 AMPaulie mostly told us stuff we already knew, or could easily guess.  We learn little about the characters and what we do learn isn't terribly exciting.  Conversely, have a look at how much we learned about Parker, Dallas, Ripley, Burke, Bishop, or Hicks.  Sweet f**k all - and yet they were all way more interesting than Lex ('Here's some backstory about my dad'), or Sebastian (aka Exposition Boy).

For me, the characters were killed by the dialogue. Like you said, in Alien we know almost nothing about the crew, but most of what they say is interesting and naturalistic enough for them to be engaging. In AVP, everything anyone says sounds like it comes straight out of an awful, undeveloped screenplay - which it did.

I think an Alien 5 film would be very achievable but the studio would have to unfortunately deviate from the storyline from Resurrection in-order to get this series kicked off in the right direction again. It would have to be a simple storyline with characters who we could believe in. I'm sure Sigourney would need to be involved. Maybe she could become a more elderly heroine. Become an inspiration for older people. The only thing i'd carry over from 4 would be to have the DNA of the Aliens still mixed in with Ripley's but make her character more human. Less, 'alieny' and more down to earth, human based so we felt more connected to the character.

I feel like Alien 5 is a wanted film and its not impossible to think about something like this happening. The studio just needs to have a clear idea with a very innovative director and move forward with it. I mean if James Cameron and Ridley Scott were at one point in, "violent agreement" about making an Alien 5 than that should be enough for any director to want to explore this series further. Apparently Scott and Cameron believed there was still life in the series and Sigourney firmly believes this as well. Why the hell has no one picked up on this yet? Are the studios just that ignorant. I mean the people that seeded this series into existence wanted this series to move forward yet no one took action. Its such a shame and probably one of the most overlooked sequels that could of made this series something again.

That Scott-Cameron-Weaver boat has sailed, I'm afraid. Cameron is involved with Avatar and Battle Angel (perhaps for what remains of his career as a film maker) and Scott has made it clear that he wanted to steer away from ALIEN with the new addition(s) to the franchise. I think their plan was to pick the story up after ALIENS (or ALIEN 3 - can't remember) ended and ignore whatever others had added to the universe.

Quote from: SiL on Aug 03, 2014, 05:11:17 AM

Quote from: Eva on Aug 02, 2014, 12:59:57 AM
I still can't believe 20th Century Fox handed over 2 of their most iconic franchises to a bunch of twats with so little understanding of what made the original movies work in the first place.

Twice.

Honestly, I think Anderson did understand.

He just wasn't good enough to do it himself.

He's right, for example, when he says that the slower builds of the first two Alien films contributed immensely to their effectiveness, but where those films built tension and unease, he has a bunch of people wandering around saying "Dafuq is this? Dafuq is that? Oh no, I'm dead!" for two thirds of the damn film. He understood the concept, he just wasn't competent enough in the work he did on the film to nail the execution.

Anderson comes across as a film maker who's basically remade the same film over and over his entire career. AvP is almost identical to Resident Evil and Event Horizon in how the film looks/sounds/is edited/builds on 1-dimensional character arch types etc etc.

In that sense, I can't really blame him for how AvP turned out - he can only make 1 kind of movie, no matter the source material given to him, I suspect. 20th Century Fox had done this with other high profile franchises - Die Hard, X-Men - handing sequel duties over to creative teams with little skill on the cheap and the results... well...

Not even gonna bother chop apart AvP:R here, which might be the worst film I've ever watched in a movie theater. Transformers 2 was an orgasmic thunderbolt of enjoyment compared to that one. :D

Many would argue that at least 5 of the 7 X-Men films are pretty decent.

Quote from: SM on Aug 04, 2014, 10:16:15 PM
Many would argue that at least 5 of the 7 X-Men films are pretty decent.

They turned it around when they started hiring talented directors and screenwriters again. ;)

Die Hard on the other hand.... f*** me... and I cherish John McTiernans original film as much as I would cherish my first born... :'(

First and third are good.  Don't remember enough about the others.

As for X-Men aren't they all considered pretty good apart form 3 and the first Wolverine flick?  Sounds pretty consistent with a couple of hiccups, rather than something thet needed turning around.

Quote from: SM on Aug 04, 2014, 10:40:38 PM
First and third are good.  Don't remember enough about the others.

As for X-Men aren't they all considered pretty good apart form 3 and the first Wolverine flick?  Sounds pretty consistent with a couple of hiccups, rather than something thet needed turning around.

In the case of X-Men, everything fell apart when Singer scrambled for Superman Returns and Fox decided to hire Brett 'the Hack' Rattner for the third film. When that film buried any aspirations for continuing with the original X-Men cast, they 'AvP'ed' the franchise with the first of a series of planned Origins films. I believe a stand alone Magneto film was planned to follow Wolverine.

Nevermind... I'm derailing the thread with this rant. :D

Quote from: Eva on Aug 04, 2014, 10:14:04 PM

Anderson comes across as a film maker who's basically remade the same film over and over his entire career. AvP is almost identical to Resident Evil and Event Horizon in how the film looks/sounds/is edited/builds on 1-dimensional character arch types etc etc.

Yes. But I like that film *lol*

He keeps making money with mediocre movies, so someone has to like them.

It's funny, I don't remember ever actively wanting to see most of his films, especially all the Resident Evils, but for some reason I feel like I know all his films really really well. Eva's probably right that he makes the same film all the time, haha.

I think with Anderson, he does what it says on the tin - I find his films really entertaining which is all that really matters. As we know, his films also make oodles of cash, which means that the Impact machine will keep on rolling.

To be honest, I think the guy is a real success story; started out with a small indie film, formed his own production company and now writes and directs films he wants to make. I mean - its the dream job for many people. Many have tried, many have failed, but whatever you think of his films, he's living the dream. I admire that.

His Resident Evil films make oodles of money.  His other films sometimes do okay, sometimes tank. He owes his career to an already successful video game with a built in fanbase.

Good work if you can get it.

Resident Evil & Event Horizon are better executed movies that plot wise seemed to fit better with his 'template' than the established ALIEN & Predator universe.

ALIEN/ALIENS/Predator are usually associated with fantastic creature design, extremely high production values and visuals, fantastic soundtracks and very memorable characters - all of which AvP had none.

I haven't seen his latest Evil movies, but I imagine they're basically copies of what came before each one of them. :D

Quote from: SM on Aug 05, 2014, 10:16:23 PM
His Resident Evil films make oodles of money.  His other films sometimes do okay, sometimes tank. He owes his career to an already successful video game with a built in fanbase.

Good work if you can get it.

Didn't he do Mortal Kombat first?

QuoteI haven't seen his latest Evil movies, but I imagine they're basically copies of what came before each one of them.

I caught some of one of the later sequels.  Think it had the same laser trap from the first one...  And the first one was incredibly average.

They were all awful once he stopped making an effort to align them with the games.

Quote from: Local Trouble on Aug 06, 2014, 12:12:10 AM
They were all awful once he stopped making an effort to align them with the games.

dude even starting with Mortal Kombat it was horrible. I think the one film that maybe got close to even being called worthy to be a film is the first Resident Evil and thats it. All the other stuff is plebian.

I thought MK was generally regarded as being half decent.

Quote from: Chronicle on Aug 06, 2014, 02:25:15 AM

Quote from: Local Trouble on Aug 06, 2014, 12:12:10 AM
They were all awful once he stopped making an effort to align them with the games.

dude even starting with Mortal Kombat it was horrible. I think the one film that maybe got close to even being called worthy to be a film is the first Resident Evil and thats it. All the other stuff is plebian.

They were all better movies than Alien Resurrection.

No, please just no. Sigourney is just too old now, and the film we be chalk full references and nods to the other films.

Just remember the abortion that was Indiana Jones 4, thats pretty much how Alien 5 would be.

I'm all in favor for a remake/reboot at this point...

Quote from: SM on Aug 06, 2014, 02:32:57 AM
I thought MK was generally regarded as being half decent.

"So bad it's good" I think is how it's regarded.

Oh, right.  Fair enough.

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Quote from: A_Sexual_Tyrannosaurus on Aug 06, 2014, 06:06:39 AM
No, please just no. Sigourney is just too old now, and the film we be chalk full references and nods to the other films.

Like how Aliens had all those nods to Alien?

QuoteJust remember the abortion that was Indiana Jones 4, thats pretty much how Alien 5 would be.

I remember how Crystal Skull rated 78% on RT, 6.3/10 on IMDB and made $780+m.  Sounds pretty good to me.

Quote from: SM on Aug 06, 2014, 06:27:40 AM
Oh, right.  Fair enough.

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Quote from: A_Sexual_Tyrannosaurus on Aug 06, 2014, 06:06:39 AM
No, please just no. Sigourney is just too old now, and the film we be chalk full references and nods to the other films.

Like how Aliens had all those nods to Alien?

QuoteJust remember the abortion that was Indiana Jones 4, thats pretty much how Alien 5 would be.

I remember how Crystal Skull rated 78% on RT, 6.3/10 on IMDB and made $780+m.  Sounds pretty good to me.

Wow, I bet you love the Star Wars Prequels too.

BTW, Superman Returns also has a great score on RT, as does Prometheus...

Yeah I dug the prequels.  Lot of people did.

And Prometheus.  Haven't seen Superman Returns.

Yeah, your opinion no longer matters to me...

I really didn't like the Resident Evil films at all. The first one started OK but lost it by about halfway through, and what sequels I've seen were all pretty shitty (although I'll confess to having a bit of a laugh with them when surrounded by friends and filled with alcohol).

I maintain that Event Horizon is the only really decent film he's made.

I'll confess to having enjoyed Indiana Jones 4 and never quite understood why the noise over "nuking the fridge" was so loud and yet so many of Indiana's other antics that should have severely injured or killed him (being dragged under a speeding truck, leaping out of a plane on a raft, being on the end of a 50 ft. pendulum as it slams into a cliff face, being in a confined space, wading through flammable liquid--bonus points for it being full of rat waste--as it is set aflame to name a few) garner much less negative attention.  Was it silly? Yes.  Was it fun? Also yes. 

I suspect some bias at work: special status afforded to movies first seen when one is at an age when one is less critical perhaps raises the bar too high for newer entries.  But Crystal Skull did partially remind me of how it felt to watch the earlier movies as a child.

I do draw the line at the Russian-hating monkey scene.  That was a little too much cheese for my taste.

Quote from: MH-875 on Aug 06, 2014, 08:03:37 AMI'll confess to having enjoyed Indiana Jones 4 and never quite understood why the noise over "nuking the fridge" was so loud and yet so many of Indiana's other antics that should have severely injured or killed him (being dragged under a speeding truck, leaping out of a plane on a raft, being on the end of a 50 ft. pendulum as it slams into a cliff face, being in a confined space, wading through flammable liquid--bonus points for it being full of rat waste--as it is set aflame to name a few) garner much less negative attention.  Was it silly? Yes.  Was it fun? Also yes.

While I hated the fourth Indy film, I completely agree with this. The fridge scene was no less stupid than jumping a mine cart across a fifty foot pit of lava and landing perfectly on the rails on the far side.

I think what ruined the film for me was that they showed you the aliens at the end. In the first film, the Ark kills all the Nazis but we never see God. Shiva doesn't rock up to burn Mola Ram's hand in the second. Jesus Christ doesn't walk out of the temple in the third. It was all left to our imagination. By simply showing us the aliens, it took away all the mysticism.

Also I was massively annoyed by how they were adamant they'd steer clear of CGI to help the film blend with the originals, then the movie turned out to be a CGI sh*tfest. I had the same problem with the new Star Wars films - in the originals, it felt like they were having to invent all these new SFX technologies as they went along to get the job done. In the new entries they simply had CGI to just do it all for them, and they took it way too far.

The Raiders films were using the pinnacle of special effects when they were made (and it sometimes shows they were pushing the effects to their limit).

With the new one and the Star Wars prequels they were also inventing new effects technologies in order to get the job done.  Why wouldn't they use the pinnacle of current effects?

There's no difference.  Are there some dodgy CG shots?  Yep.  Same as how there's some dodgy practical effects shots in older films.  When you wear rose coloured glasses though, and are in a hurry to bash CGI, that tends to get forgotten.

I'm not bashing CGI, I'm bashing the way it's used in a lot of modern films. Take the new Star Wars films - they went so over the top with it you can't tell what the hell's going on half the time. The best example is the space battle at the start of Revenge of the Sith - it's a total mess. The CGI let them go so far with all the hundreds of ships and explosions that it ended up a confusing jumble.

CGI can be incredible when used properly (look at District 9), but far too often movies go overboard with it. And I think Crystal Skull was a case in point, especially as that's what they specifically said they wouldn't do.

How was the start of the Revenge of the Sith confusing?

Anakin and Obi-Wan battle droid starfighters and buzz droids as they fight their way to General Grevious' ship to resuce the Chancellor.  The battle is just background.

Best opening to a Star Wars film since the original.

My 20 month old didn't seem confused in the slightest...

How is it difficult to work out what's going on in a Star Wars film anyway?

As for Crystal Skull - they assessed it and changed their minds.  Stiff shit.  Pablo Helman said what I said above.  The originals used the best effects available at the time - they did the same this time. 

Confused is the wrong word. Visual overload perhaps. It was so frenetic that I couldn't really concentrate on any of what was happening to be impressed by it. It was like visual white noise.

No different the battle in Return of the Jedi.  This one just had more going in the wide shots in the background.

Quote from: SM on Aug 06, 2014, 08:41:12 AMNo different the battle in Return of the Jedi.

Not to me. That one felt far more lucid.

Quote from: HuDaFuK on Aug 06, 2014, 08:07:37 AM
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I think what ruined the film for me was that they showed you the aliens at the end. In the first film, the Ark kills all the Nazis but we never see God. Shiva doesn't rock up to burn Mola Ram's hand in the second. Jesus Christ doesn't walk out of the temple in the third. It was all left to our imagination. By simply showing us the aliens, it took away all the mysticism.
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I can understand that but I also wonder whether the fact that the crystal skull was a body part of the "mystical" being means that to not show it whole would have denied the viewer an expected payoff or been anti-climactic.  Might having not depicted the restored "alien" been on par with opening the Ark and having the Nazi's simply drop dead instead of the pretty-then-scary wraiths and face melting?

For the sake of conveying mysticism I suspect they could have done better than interdimensional beings but another religious artifact might have been too old hat.  In my opinion, it was set up to be non-mystical from the start when they borrowed from Roswell and Area 51.

My thoughts on imagery-rich space battles:  Revenge of the Sith's opener challenged me a bit too.  I wanted to follow what was happening to this ship and that ship, wondered which ship belonged to which side, etc.  It was spectacular, but perhaps too much so for me.  And perhaps that is part of the point: "fog of war" for the viewer if I don't misuse the phrase.  Some of the bigger battles in the various Star Trek series and Babylon 5 probably did this to me too, as well as the Alliance/Reaver fight in Serenity.  "Pan back!  I was still looking at that one ship!"

To be honest it's a similar effect for me during the Operations battle in Aliens.

Quote from: MH-875 on Aug 06, 2014, 09:09:47 AMTo be honest it's a similar effect for me during the Operations battle in Aliens.

I got the impression that was supposed to be a little confusing and chaotic, what with all the strobe lights and quick cutting.

Perhaps the same is true of Revenge of the Sith. But I didn't get that from the battles in the original series, or The Phantom Menace.

With the Yavin battle, or Hoth, or Endor or Naboo - the battle is the focus.

Empire wants to blow Yavin; Alliance wants to destroy Death Star.
Empire wants to destroy Alliance shield  and base; Alliance fights delaying action while they evacuate.
Alliance wants to destroy shield/ Death Star; Empire wants to annihilate Alliance fleet.
Naboo/ Gungans want to take out droid control ship and capture Viceroy; Trade Federation wants the Queen.

The battle is the story.

With ROTS, the story is Obi-Wan and Anakin have to rescue the Chancellor and the battle is just a backdrop.

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Wow.

Subtle.

Quote from: tmjhur on Aug 06, 2014, 11:23:26 AM
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Is that a Henschel and Son, class 25 4-8-4, engine number 477615? Wow they always were considered a bit overpowered.

They also always had problems with connecting rods failing, big end bearings breaking up as well as cracks developing in the motion girder of the Alligator crossheads.

Quote from: Local Trouble on Aug 06, 2014, 03:31:32 AM

Quote from: Chronicle on Aug 06, 2014, 02:25:15 AM

Quote from: Local Trouble on Aug 06, 2014, 12:12:10 AM
They were all awful once he stopped making an effort to align them with the games.

dude even starting with Mortal Kombat it was horrible. I think the one film that maybe got close to even being called worthy to be a film is the first Resident Evil and thats it. All the other stuff is plebian.

They were all better movies than Alien Resurrection.

Oh stop it Local!  :laugh:

Just wanna hold my hand up and say I enjoyed Indy 4, as well. 'Cept those goddamn gophers. It's a fun film. MH-875's young/old thesis is bang-on, in my opinion, and certainly applies to Star Wars just as much.

Quote from: A_Sexual_Tyrannosaurus on Aug 06, 2014, 06:38:38 AM
Yeah, your opinion no longer matters to me...

...and the opinion of someone actually in favour of an Alien 'reboot' no longer matters to me.

Gophers were on screen for a few seconds.

Those monkeys on the other hand...

You know, I didn't even mind the monkeys. Maybe it's because they had a function in the scene, whereas the gophers were just 'ba-dum tsssh!'. It felt like Lucas had jumped into the director's chair for a moment while Spielberg was in the bathroom.  :D

Quote from: HuDaFuK on Aug 06, 2014, 08:39:33 AM
Confused is the wrong word. Visual overload perhaps. It was so frenetic that I couldn't really concentrate on any of what was happening to be impressed by it. It was like visual white noise.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3RR-rzT5ws#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3RR-rzT5ws#ws)

Quote from: Mr. Clemens on Aug 06, 2014, 10:13:33 PM
Just wanna hold my hand up and say I enjoyed Indy 4, as well. 'Cept those goddamn gophers.
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I guess it's the fate of such films to have those little quirks that some people shrug their way past and others stop, squint, and ask, "What the f**k"?

For me in this film it's the monkeys.  For you Mr. Clemens, the gophers.  For someone else the ants or the guys with the blow guns.  Some are fortunate enough to enjoy a film anyway instead of having that conversation with it that begins and ends with, "This is just not working.  It's not you, it's me.  No, it's totally you, Alien Resurrection."  Both reactions are perfectly normal in my book.  Different strokes and all.

Now I'm going to have trouble not picturing Lucas, wearing a Spielberg costume, sneaking into the director's chair.  Thank you for the image Mr. Clemens!  :)

Local Trouble, that was a snippet of the Plinkett 'review' of Episode 1?  What a fascinating genre the Internet has birthed: film critique as entertainment.... or has it existed before in some periodical?

Quote from: Mr. Clemens on Aug 06, 2014, 10:24:18 PM
You know, I didn't even mind the monkeys. Maybe it's because they had a function in the scene, whereas the gophers were just 'ba-dum tsssh!'. It felt like Lucas had jumped into the director's chair for a moment while Spielberg was in the bathroom.  :D

I just think the monkeys were a bad idea, badly executed.

I can buy Indy in a fridge, because it's Indy.  I can't buy Mutt and some 1s and 0s pretending to be monkeys, because it's not Indy.