Not really much we don't already know. Seems he is still keen on making another prequel:
Quote"Alien" director Ridley Scott joined Times film critic Justin Chang on Thursday for a conversation about the film, casting Sigourney Weaver in it, and his long, expansive career. The filmmaker, who is currently in Los Angeles, said that for him, quarantine-time has been "a great opportunity to get all those unfinished scripts finished."
The central role of Ellen Ripley — also portrayed by Weaver in three subsequent sequels — was originally written as a man, and Scott talked about how the gender flip came to be, along with how Weaver came to be cast.
"I think the idea actually came from Alan Ladd Jr.," Scott said. "I think it was Alan Ladd [then president of 20th Century Fox] who said, 'Why can't Ripley be a woman?' And there was a long pause, that at that moment I never thought about it. I thought, why not, it's a fresh direction, the ways I thought about that. And away we went.
"And I found Sigourney by word of mouth. Somebody had been told that Siourney was on an off-Broadway stage doing something, that I should meet. And I did," Scott said. "And there it was, she was perfect. In terms of scale, size, intelligence, her acting is just fantastic. And so it was made for her, really."
The film's notorious chest-burster scene, in which an alien creature emerges from within actor John Hurt's chest, is now among the classic scenes in modern horror cinema. It was shot with multiple cameras because Scott could only really perform the full effect once, "because once I blew blood all over that set, there was no cleaning it up." Hurt knelt so that only his head was visible above a hole in a table and a false torso was placed to meet his neck.
"I kept it very much from the actors and I kept the actual little creature, whatever that would be, from the actors. I never wanted them to see it," Scott said. "Remember there was no digital effects in those days at all. I'm going to somehow bring that creature out of his chest."
The relatively simple effect of having Hurt under the table obviously worked, as Scott recalled, "I remember Stanley Kubrick called me up saying, 'How'd you do that?' He said, 'I've run it through slowly, I can't see the cut.' And I just said that much. He said, 'OK, I got it. I got it, it worked.'"
The movie that "Alien" defeated in Week 4's final Ultimate Summer Movie Showdown round was the first "Star Wars" film from 1977, directed by George Lucas. Scott recalled the influence that movie had on him at the time, noting, "It opened the gate for me feeling comfortable that science fiction was no longer silly fantasy but actually had a reality to it. ... So I was blown away. I think I was depressed for a month when I saw it, 'cause I thought, 'How on Earth could he have done that?'
"My hat still comes off to George," Scott said of Lucas for the first "Star Wars." "Without question his was by far the best, still."
Although subsequent "Alien" sequels were undertaken by directors James Cameron, David Fincher and Jean-Pierre Jeunet, Scott returned to the world of the story with 2012's "Prometheus" and 2017's "Alien: Covenant." And he may not yet be done.
"I still think there's a lot of mileage in 'Alien,' but I think you'll have to now re-evolve," Scott said. "What I always thought when I was making it, the first one, why would a creature like this be made and why was it traveling in what I always thought was a kind of war-craft, which was carrying a cargo of these eggs. What was the purpose of the vehicle and what was the purpose of the eggs? That's the thing to question — who, why, and for what purpose is the next idea, I think."
More at: https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/movies/story/2020-05-29/ultimate-summer-movie-showdown-ridley-scott-alien (https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/movies/story/2020-05-29/ultimate-summer-movie-showdown-ridley-scott-alien)
Thanks for the link, gonna have to give the whole interview a watch later on. Their George Miller interview last week was very good.
maybe he will get the chance to finish his trilogy with disney/20th century studios...
I hope. Maybe right after The Last Duel.
I want him to finish the prequels but everyone better be ready for a full on explanation of the derelict on LV-426 and how it relates to David. It will most likely be something fans will hate.
Someone should ask him directly what's happening with the third prequel.
Quote from: Evanus on May 30, 2020, 10:34:14 PM
Someone should ask him directly what's happening with the third prequel.
Definitely, always the same information rolling about.
Quote from: Drukathi on May 30, 2020, 07:32:51 PM
I hope. Maybe right after The Last Duel.
Looks like the Gucci murder movie is next up for him. Maybe after that?
Quote from: Evanus on May 30, 2020, 10:34:14 PM
Someone should ask him directly what's happening with the third prequel.
I think he'll just go on about "evolving" and "re-evolving" again without actually saying much. :laugh:
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on May 31, 2020, 03:41:37 PM
I think he'll just go on about "evolving" and "re-evolving" again without actually saying much. :laugh:
Yeah, you're probably right. Such is the way of Riddlez :P
Quote from: 426Buddy on May 30, 2020, 10:24:57 PM
I want him to finish the prequels but everyone better be ready for a full on explanation of the derelict on LV-426 and how it relates to David. It will most likely be something fans will hate.
If the movie is well written, I don't think I'm going to have a problem with something like that honeslty, even if the final answer is "controversial" so to speak. I think Prometheus could have been objectively good with everything it had (no Aliens, human Space Jockeys, ancient alien shit, etc) if only it had been well written and better edited.
It took time for the concept to grown up in my head, But there is almost no retcon in the prequels. The Space Jockey is just part of a film set and as such is totally irrelevant to the Alien storyline, not to mention that none of the sequels offer canonical material about them. All we have is an expanded universe. In some cases somewhat cringy. But there is nothing. The fossilization thing is just the Dallas point of view, and Dan O'Bannon's original ideas are behind-the-scenes stuff. Almost everything is a recontextualization and the closest thing to a retcon is the difference in size of the Jockey. So yes. You find no retcon in the Engineers, nor in the unexpected origin of the Alien. What we have are answers or concepts that we do not like (although I know that there are people who do like it), but beyond that bad writing is the only true sin of these prequels.
Interview with Scott starts at 8:44. It's almost one hour long!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HuypcTJ1IHk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HuypcTJ1IHk)
Anything new that's not mentioned in the text summary above?
Cannot tell because I haven't finished listening yet :)
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He talks about finishing unfinished scripts, Lucas' Star Wars, importance of good casting, Sigourney Weaver, The Texas Chain Saw Massacre, his mother, G.I. Jane, Giger, legacy of Alien, criticism and why he doesn't read reviews, returning to Alien universe, Kubrick and 2001, Exodus: Gods and Kings, Thelma & Louise, AI. Basically there is probably nothing we haven't heard before.
Ridley is the man that brings the right look, but the wrong ideas.
More like, interesting and sometimes questionable ideas.
And I'd personally take interesting and questionable over safe and uninspired.
Same here.
As long as we don't get David the Space Jockey. :P
Hrmm. By the OP transcript, no real indicator if this will ever become a reality. Just a reiteration of his desire to answer the questions that..
need answering?
Quote from: Huggs on Jun 01, 2020, 02:56:00 AM
Ridley is the man that brings the right look, but the wrong ideas.
Yeah, it's not considered Riddles strength is it.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jun 01, 2020, 03:22:18 PM
And I'd personally take interesting and questionable over safe and uninspired.
I definitely agree with that 8)
Quote"I still think there's a lot of mileage in 'Alien,' but I think you'll have to now re-evolve," Scott said. "What I always thought when I was making it, the first one, why would a creature like this be made and why was it traveling in what I always thought was a kind of war-craft, which was carrying a cargo of these eggs. What was the purpose of the vehicle and what was the purpose of the eggs? That's the thing to question — who, why, and for what purpose is the next idea, I think."
WHAT? *in Fifield voice*
Scott has had PROMETHEUS to discover this big creature. All that he showed was this creature ripping one android's head off and beat Mr. Weyland to death with it.
Then Scott has had COVENANT to disregard the big creature for David and the theme of AI.
There were two movies for him to develope this and he gave us almost nothing. And now he still talks big about Space Jockey, Engineer, Malakak or whatever this creature's name is?
Have fun to rush all this into the very last film of that prequel series. I already know it will fail. ::)
Quote from: Ingwar on May 31, 2020, 09:54:32 PM
He talks about finishing unfinished scripts, Lucas' Star Wars, importance of good casting, Sigourney Weaver, The Texas Chain Saw Massacre, his mother, G.I. Jane, Giger, legacy of Alien, criticism and why he doesn't read reviews, returning to Alien universe, Kubrick and 2001, Exodus: Gods and Kings, Thelma & Louise, AI. Basically there is probably nothing we haven't heard before.
Thanks for that, you've done a man's job, sir.
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Also ...
QuoteThe filmmaker, who is currently in Los Angeles, said that for him, quarantine-time has been "a great opportunity to get all those unfinished scripts finished."
This is what we're most interested in. Scott's unfinished projects.
So we may yet get that Monopoly movie starring Donald Trump?
Sadly no. Scott called him a nutcase recently.
:laugh:
And to think, a year ago he was praising Trump's tax reforms.
Quote from: Stompy the Perfect Xeno on Jun 01, 2020, 07:32:27 PM
Quote"I still think there's a lot of mileage in 'Alien,' but I think you'll have to now re-evolve," Scott said. "What I always thought when I was making it, the first one, why would a creature like this be made and why was it traveling in what I always thought was a kind of war-craft, which was carrying a cargo of these eggs. What was the purpose of the vehicle and what was the purpose of the eggs? That's the thing to question — who, why, and for what purpose is the next idea, I think."
WHAT? *in Fifield voice*
Scott has had PROMETHEUS to discover this big creature. All that he showed was this creature ripping one android's head off and beat Mr. Weyland to death with it.
Then Scott has had COVENANT to disregard the big creature for David and the theme of AI.
There were two movies for him to develope this and he gave us almost nothing. And now he still talks big about Space Jockey, Engineer, Malakak or whatever this creature's name is?
Have fun to rush all this into the very last film of that prequel series. I already know it will fail. ::)
Good for you - you'll be able to save money for ticket.
Quote from: Kradan on Jun 02, 2020, 02:36:59 PM
Quote from: Stompy the Perfect Xeno on Jun 01, 2020, 07:32:27 PM
Quote"I still think there's a lot of mileage in 'Alien,' but I think you'll have to now re-evolve," Scott said. "What I always thought when I was making it, the first one, why would a creature like this be made and why was it traveling in what I always thought was a kind of war-craft, which was carrying a cargo of these eggs. What was the purpose of the vehicle and what was the purpose of the eggs? That's the thing to question — who, why, and for what purpose is the next idea, I think."
WHAT? *in Fifield voice*
Scott has had PROMETHEUS to discover this big creature. All that he showed was this creature ripping one android's head off and beat Mr. Weyland to death with it.
Then Scott has had COVENANT to disregard the big creature for David and the theme of AI.
There were two movies for him to develope this and he gave us almost nothing. And now he still talks big about Space Jockey, Engineer, Malakak or whatever this creature's name is?
Have fun to rush all this into the very last film of that prequel series. I already know it will fail. ::)
Good for you - you'll be able to save money for ticket.
Excellent! More money for him and less toxicity for us. Everybody wins. :)
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jun 01, 2020, 03:22:18 PM
And I'd personally take interesting and questionable over safe and uninspired.
Word! So 100%.
It's quite possible his endgame was the Engineers using the alien to fight David's creatures.
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on May 30, 2020, 05:07:44 PM
who, why, and for what purpose is the next idea, I think."
Didn't Ridley answer these questions in the Covenant?
Guess not
Quote from: Drukathi on Jun 03, 2020, 07:57:41 AM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on May 30, 2020, 05:07:44 PM
who, why, and for what purpose is the next idea, I think."
Didn't Ridley answer these questions in the Covenant?
Apparently not the purpose. Though I'm not sure what mileage is there outside of "David hates humans, is frustrated by his inability to procreate, and this is his f**ked up way of expressing it."
This reminds me of when he asked who made the xenomorph and for what purpose. His answer was David.
This makes me concerned that maybe he is actually planning to establish David or Walter as the space jockey...
Honestly, that's my main fear about Scott doing another film. I do not want that, and I fully expect him to do it.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jun 03, 2020, 09:51:50 AM
Honestly, that's my main fear about Scott doing another film. I do not want that, and I fully expect him to do it.
I tend to agree. As much as I would love to see a new Alien film I would rather let it rest than David/Walter being the legendary space jockey.
Look on the bright side, once Ridley is done with his prequels, perhaps then there can be a soft reboot that has a different origin for the Aliens while keeping the original movies canon.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jun 03, 2020, 09:51:50 AM
Honestly, that's my main fear about Scott doing another film. I do not want that, and I fully expect him to do it.
Give us your keys, Ridley, we're calling you an Uber, mate.
Weird.... funny to think that almost 10 years ago, Ridley coming back to the Alien universe with Prometheus couldn't get anny better.... Now I'm thinkin that is best for him to stay away from the franchise
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jun 03, 2020, 09:51:50 AM
Honestly, that's my main fear about Scott doing another film. I do not want that, and I fully expect him to do it.
Disney does, in fact, have the power to hire someone who is not Ridley Scott to direct the next Alien prequel. And it is not too late for them to begin investigating others. Maybe they could hire a woman? Just a thought. The primary character in all 6 Alien films is a woman, and never once has a woman been hired to write or direct the movies. People have been patting Fox on the pack for decades for creating a feminst action icon, so maybe they could put their money where their mouth is and be feminists now that different people are in charge. Ridley Scott is stale for this franchise. It's not going to be anything BUT 'interesting and questionable' with him. There are other filmmakers who can turn whatever y'all mean by that phrase into something coherent and serviceable, and Scott is not one of those people. He's already shown us twice.
He's lost passion for the creature. I still don't get why he wants to keep making these films when he very clearly thinks the concept is played out. If the Alien isn't as effective as it once was, it's because (and we've seen it a million times before with horror) the filmmakers has over explained everything, completely removing the mystery of the thing. Yes, "who and why" are interesting questions, but it's that they remain unanswered that keeps us interested. Giving us all the information makes things familiar and removes the very "alien" essence of the thing.
These films need retconned back to the 2nd film. As far as I'm concerned the only canon films are Alien and Aliens. All do respect to Mr. Scott, but if the Alien is played out, he's at least partially to blame.
I thank him for what he's done with the franchise and the original is a classic but now I'd want him nowhere near any more Alien movies.
He seems tired of the subject and as a result wants to take it down avenues people aren't really that interested in apart from himself. He's been indulged twice now - no more please.
It's time for new blood who can bring a freshness to the whole enterprise.
Quote from: FatBrando on Jun 03, 2020, 02:08:34 PM
He's lost passion for the creature. I still don't get why he wants to keep making these films when he very clearly thinks the concept is played out. If the Alien isn't as effective as it once was, it's because (and we've seen it a million times before with horror) the filmmakers has over explained everything, completely removing the mystery of the thing. Yes, "who and why" are interesting questions, but it's that they remain unanswered that keeps us interested. Giving us all the information makes things familiar and removes the very "alien" essence of the thing.
These films need retconned back to the 2nd film. As far as I'm concerned the only canon films are Alien and Aliens. All do respect to Mr. Scott, but if the Alien is played out, he's at least partially to blame.
It's almost as if the original films are successful because they are stories about interesting characters with minimal emphasis on bending over backwards to answer every nitpicky question asked by the fans.
Please don't, Alien was way better as the vague cargo of this mysterious ship and pilot, trying to explain it not only made it look worse, the explanation itself (being that it was made by David) made it terrible
I'm not getting excited over Scott taking another crack at it. He's 1 for 3. There are things to enjoy sure, but there are many issues outside of general likes or dislikes for the past 2 movies. Regardless, I'll give it a chance, but I'll ago in with low expectations. Before Covenant, I thought maybe Prometheus was just a misstep. I'm glad he's wanting to innovate, I just don't think he's the right person for the job anymore.
Yeah for me the thrill of Scott died with Covenant.
I'm now joining team Blomkamp.
Quote from: David's Creation on Jun 03, 2020, 09:48:19 AMThis makes me concerned that maybe he is actually planning to establish David or Walter as the space jockey...
In a future struggle during Alien Covenant 2 (or Prometheus 3) David falls into the Jockey Chair and the (now canon?) "spacesuit" engulfs him. Before he can pilot the "donut ship" our millenial heroes pour the
black goo over David as the shell closes.
A calcification process occurs due to the evolutionary principles of the black goo seen in Covenant. David's fossilized carcass is perceived to have aged "over thousands of years", as commented when Kane discovers the "space jockey" in Alien (1979).
Ripley 8 from Resurrection discovers the donut ship was not destroyed in Aliens after all as it was too far from Hadley's Hope in a re-scripted ALIEN 5. She cracks open the tomb of David for him to whisper "what took you so long?".
Horrified at this she is sent back in time by a PREDATOR race, during post credits, to the end of THE PREDATOR to stop Weyland Yutani from ever forming and.............it's in vain as AVP and AVP-R had already taken place before Ripley (8's) arrival.
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The end.
That's horrifying lol
If he really wants to make David the Space Jockey (which I doubt, but you never know), then I'd say that's going too far and I hope it won't happen.
However, he should still make the third prequel. There is immense potential. David is a great character and his story isn't over yet. Leaving the story unfinished like this will do more harm than good. They just need to be careful not going overboard by explaining everything.
But if David or Walter were the space jockey... Can an android get impregnated by an alien? I thought not... Although on the other hand, wouldn't it would be cool, if somehow David was able to birth an alien, sacrificing himself, and making something that is truly biomechanical?
Actually, wasn't that space jockey larger than the humans? I don't think Ridley Scott would ignore that fact and make it David.
Quote from: Letneper on Jun 03, 2020, 08:24:55 PM
But if David or Walter were the space jockey... Can an android get impregnated by an alien? I thought not... Although on the other hand, wouldn't it would be cool, if somehow David was able to birth an alien, sacrificing himself, and making something that is truly biomechanical?
Actually, wasn't that space jockey larger than the humans? I don't think Ridley Scott would ignore that fact and make it David.
I definitely see it going in a direction that somehow David's mechanical components factor into the final development of the Alien (hence why they were purely biological in
Covenant).
I think the answer to that is going to lie in the pathogen. Somehow, in his experiments, David is going to find a way to meld his mechanical components with the pathogen in terrifying fashion.
Yawn...
Eh, that's infinitely more interesting to me than any other attempt to replicate the "Shoot em up marines! Ooh rah!" piece of media we've gotten that's attempted to replicate Aliens while entirely missing the point of Aliens.
I really want to see Ridley's vision brought to a close before the franchise moves on to something else with a new filmmaker.
I feel like i have read this exact thing more then once over the last decade or two.
Daft is sweet talking a alien worm snake and it breaking your arm and ruining the whole trip.
The problem with Ridley's vision is that he apparently doesn't have one.
The prequels have convinced me that he's flying by the seat of his britches when it comes to these movies.
And in doing so, made the "interesting but messy" Prometheus into the "just plain interesting" Alien: Covenant. 8)
Ridley scott definitely should not be given another Alien film.
Hes a jealous old man who got sensitive when a young up and coming scifi director upstaged him with a project more in line with what the fans wanted to see.
Quote from: Rabbit2100 on Jun 04, 2020, 12:14:13 AM
Hes a jealous old man who got sensitive when a young up and coming scifi director upstaged him with a project more in line with what the fans wanted to see.
Ridley's too busy working on 3 movies a year to be that petty.
Keep Ridley far away from the franchise.
Why is Kenny Loggins shooting himself? He said he was alright and there was no need to worry about him.
I say let him finish!
Quote from: Letneper on Jun 03, 2020, 08:24:55 PM
But if David or Walter were the space jockey... Can an android get impregnated by an alien? I thought not... Although on the other hand, wouldn't it would be cool, if somehow David was able to birth an alien, sacrificing himself, and making something that is truly biomechanical?
The description of the pathogen in the Advent short film gave me the impression that the pathogen might be able to meld with inorganic material, so I'd be open to it.
Quote from: Letneper on Jun 03, 2020, 08:24:55 PM
Actually, wasn't that space jockey larger than the humans? I don't think Ridley Scott would ignore that fact and make it David.
Well sadly, in the commentary for Prometheus, Ridley acknowledged that there's a size discrepancy between the engineers and the space jockey, but he ignored it because he wanted an actor to play the engineer and be physically present with the rest of the cast instead of greenscreening him into the scenes. So he's the type of director to focus on one project at a time and make it the best he possibly can, but isn't as concerned with continuity between films in the franchise.
So if he gets another film, I do hope someone's looking over his shoulder and forcing his ideas to make sense in the franchise overall. Maybe Andrew Gaska can sit in on writing sessions with a cattle prod.
Yes!! I guess..
Unsure if Disney/20th century studios "Still not use to calling it that for that longest time calling it Fox" would let Ridley have creative control because they're very strict with Preserving their bottom line. Hope we get a final Alien prequel, though Blomkamp has become disheartened over his project being sideline Id be curious as to how it could've turned out for better or for worse. Could the final prequel be titled
Alien: Acheron Both tying in the mythology religious name of the ship as well as a reference to LV-426's original name.
Well, if there is one thing you can't question Scott achieved with his two prequels, it was bringing A-list class back to the Alien series. I don't only mean that in the sense that the people in front of and behind the camera are top class, but the hype and prestige in the build ups and premieres of both movies was exactly what Alien deserves. I enjoyed that.
The AvP movies were particularly dark years as a fan in a movies sense. At least they're a distant memory and the calibre of filmmakers we want to see tackle the next film is of a significantly higher standard. I thought we were in trouble there after Requiem in 2007/8
I enjoyed Prometheus' grandiose ideas that took a sideways look from the norm in the Alien mythos.
Now with Covenant despite having big issues with the megalomanic AI being the creator theory (and yes I know the novel states otherwise) my biggest issue was that the film went more smaller in it's idea - retreating back to something familiar and safe (basically retreading the last 2 acts of Alien). I've warmed up a lot to Covenant in recent times though.
Both are flawed but they did bring some element of prestige and quality back to the series.
So for me if Ridley can pursue the grandiose mystery that Prometheus promised then I'm board. That said stop dicking too much with the overall mystery ... give the engineers and our beloved xeno the spectacle they deserve - don't belittle it by going down that how AI path.
Quote from: razeak on Jun 03, 2020, 06:38:08 PM
That's horrifying lol
I was joking ofc, but you can see how the alien franchise has indeed "wandered all over the map" as James Cameron said.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jun 03, 2020, 10:34:47 PM
I really want to see Ridley's vision brought to a close before the franchise moves on to something else with a new filmmaker.
Ridley once said that Covenant can have one sequel, maybe two, or maybe five or six ... :o
I'm keen for him to have another go, also keep for more Ripley.
I wish I has heaps of money to make this all happen but I have non of the moneys.
I would like him to finish his prequel with minimal other creatures and conflicted origins. Then give me my Blomkamp Alien 5 please. Before it's too late...
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jun 03, 2020, 10:34:47 PM
I really want to see Ridley's vision brought to a close before the franchise moves on to something else with a new filmmaker.
I think they have to make it. It's maybe the final prequel and it is the one we want to see tge most ! Logically, it will give us the last answers we need. It doesn't make sense a hole of this size in the middle of the franchise...
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Quote from: Kradan on Jun 02, 2020, 02:36:59 PM
Quote from: Stompy the Perfect Xeno on Jun 01, 2020, 07:32:27 PM
Quote"I still think there's a lot of mileage in 'Alien,' but I think you'll have to now re-evolve," Scott said. "What I always thought when I was making it, the first one, why would a creature like this be made and why was it traveling in what I always thought was a kind of war-craft, which was carrying a cargo of these eggs. What was the purpose of the vehicle and what was the purpose of the eggs? That's the thing to question — who, why, and for what purpose is the next idea, I think."
WHAT? *in Fifield voice*
Scott has had PROMETHEUS to discover this big creature. All that he showed was this creature ripping one android's head off and beat Mr. Weyland to death with it.
Then Scott has had COVENANT to disregard the big creature for David and the theme of AI.
There were two movies for him to develope this and he gave us almost nothing. And now he still talks big about Space Jockey, Engineer, Malakak or whatever this creature's name is?
Have fun to rush all this into the very last film of that prequel series. I already know it will fail. ::)
Good for you - you'll be able to save money for ticket.
Excellent! More money for him and less toxicity for us. Everybody wins. :)
I saved money for Covenant so I wouldn't need to get used to it. ;D
Sorry when I was toxic, but Scott just annoys me. He has no real plan and he doesn't care about the main creature. I don't know why he is still around this franchise aside of his big name. Ah, i'm getting angry again. I just stop and hope Disney will do the "right" decision.
https://twitter.com/alexrwhite/status/1268510566215233538
Quote from: Stompy the Perfect Xeno on Jun 04, 2020, 10:33:51 AM
I don't know why he is still around this franchise aside of his big name.
That's it !
Ridley has no obligation to stick around if he doesn't have any interest. He clearly does–his interest just doesn't align with the interests of some groups of fans.
Quote from: Stompy the Perfect Xeno on Jun 04, 2020, 10:33:51 AM
I saved money for Covenant so I wouldn't need to get used to it. ;D
You could have bought ice cream instead.
I wonder if the people berating Scott remember the state of the franchise in 2007 or would be happy with a reboot by some Blumhouse hack or a TV director for hire.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jun 04, 2020, 01:38:30 PM
Ridley has no obligation to stick around if he doesn't have any interest. He clearly does–his interest just doesn't align with the interests of some groups of fans.
And a sizable chunk of moviegoers, if Covenants reception was any indicator.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jun 04, 2020, 01:07:22 PM
https://twitter.com/alexrwhite/status/1268510566215233538
Yeah, if Alex will be involved in making the film (and provided that his ideas will be used) - it will be 100% good movie.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jun 04, 2020, 01:38:30 PM
He clearly does–his interest just doesn't align with the interests of some groups of fans.
Personally, I love the discovery aspect more than horror or action. I like "At the Mountains of Madness" vibes of Prometheus and Covenant.
Quote from: Kane's other son on Jun 04, 2020, 03:05:59 PM
I wonder if the people berating Scott remember the state of the franchise in 2007
I'd prefer the state of the franchise in 2007 over what it is now.
Nobody will be able to make a difference if Scott has total authority.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jun 03, 2020, 08:35:17 PM
I definitely see it going in a direction that somehow David's mechanical components factor into the final development of the Alien (hence why they were purely biological in Covenant).
Yeah, Scott's PD, Chris Seagers said the biomechanical aspects are part of the story. And I also think that will most likely be introduced via David.
Seagers during an Alien Covenant interview:
Quote from: Chris Seagers"The aesthetic choices aren't just superficial, they tie into the larger story. "Technically, we're slightly earlier than the Giger stuff, a little bit," Seagers explained. "We're sort of edging into that. That's part of that whole storyline."
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jun 04, 2020, 01:38:30 PM
Ridley has no obligation to stick around if he doesn't have any interest. He clearly does–his interest just doesn't align with the interests of some groups of fans.
You mean
majority of fans and movie goers.
Quote from: Kane's other son on Jun 04, 2020, 03:05:59 PM
I wonder if the people berating Scott remember the state of the franchise in 2007 or would be happy with a reboot by some Blumhouse hack or a TV director for hire.
Separate from an either or debate, there has been some fine talent that worked with Blumhouse that I wouldn't mind giving Alien a stab.
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Ridley has no obligation to stick around if he doesn't have any interest. He clearly does–his interest just doesn't align with the interests of some groups of fans.
You mean majority of fans and movie goers.
Very doubtful.
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But if David or Walter were the space jockey... Can an android get impregnated by an alien? I thought not... Although on the other hand, wouldn't it would be cool, if somehow David was able to birth an alien, sacrificing himself, and making something that is truly biomechanical?
The description of the pathogen in the Advent short film gave me the impression that the pathogen might be able to meld with inorganic material, so I'd be open to it.
Quote from: Letneper on Jun 03, 2020, 08:24:55 PM
Actually, wasn't that space jockey larger than the humans? I don't think Ridley Scott would ignore that fact and make it David.
Well sadly, in the commentary for Prometheus, Ridley acknowledged that there's a size discrepancy between the engineers and the space jockey, but he ignored it because he wanted an actor to play the engineer and be physically present with the rest of the cast instead of greenscreening him into the scenes. So he's the type of director to focus on one project at a time and make it the best he possibly can, but isn't as concerned with continuity between films in the franchise.
So if he gets another film, I do hope someone's looking over his shoulder and forcing his ideas to make sense in the franchise overall. Maybe Andrew Gaska can sit in on writing sessions with a cattle prod.
Isn't that how Covenant happened?
Quote from: Rabbit2100 on Jun 04, 2020, 12:14:13 AM
Ridley scott definitely should not be given another Alien film.
Hes a jealous old man who got sensitive when a young up and coming scifi director upstaged him with a project more in line with what the fans wanted to see.
I do want to see Ridley finish his film, but I also think the latter part of this statement is probably true.
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Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jun 04, 2020, 01:38:30 PM
Ridley has no obligation to stick around if he doesn't have any interest. He clearly does–his interest just doesn't align with the interests of some groups of fans.
You mean majority of fans and movie goers.
Very doubtful.
How so? I recall the voting from here coming to the conclusion Covenant was at max a 6, which isn't good
Casual movie goers also didn't like the movie much, and from a boxoffice standpoint, Covenant did a bit over half of what Prometheus did
That's also not mentioning how turning the Alien into the child of a sexually frustrated robot is a direct downgrade of it's earlier vague origins
Because what you see here on fan forums, and probably the internet in general, isn't a good indication of what global audiences think.
Covenant's box office was disappointing, but it wasn't a total disaster. It made some money and generally both films received pretty good critic reviews.
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That's also not mentioning how turning the Alien into the child of a sexually frustrated robot is a direct downgrade of it's earlier vague origins
Subjective, really. Plenty of people like the thematic depth it provides, and I have warmed up to it as well. But if they're going to do another film they can always decide to go another way, as there's room for it.
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Ridley has no obligation to stick around if he doesn't have any interest. He clearly does–his interest just doesn't align with the interests of some groups of fans.
You mean majority of fans and movie goers.
Very doubtful.
How so? I recall the voting from here coming to the conclusion Covenant was at max a 6, which isn't good
Casual movie goers also didn't like the movie much, and from a boxoffice standpoint, Covenant did a bit over half of what Prometheus did
That's also not mentioning how turning the Alien into the child of a sexually frustrated robot is a direct downgrade of it's earlier vague origins
You can go to the covenant fan reviews thread and the poll results clearly say differently.
https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=57277.0
Yeah, but so many people here have dubious taste. Just look at the skull thread. >:(
Pixar's Coco sucks, so unoriginal!.
Anybody see this documentary that started floating around recently?
The unmaking of Alien 5
Still think Ridley didn't tank Alien 5 on purpose?
Thank you Ridley.
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Jun 05, 2020, 12:41:20 AM
Still think Ridley didn't tank Alien 5 on purpose?
Thank you Ridley.
Negative passion aside (because for my part, I am not upset), wasn't it obvious? It was never a big secret or anything like that.
Yes thanks Ridley! Dodged a bullet.
The one good thing he did.
The future is biomechanical.
Dodged a bullet and got hit by the next one.....
On the flip side, I do overall like the prequel movies, but barely.
@ 57 minutes Ridley talks about Ash and A.I. in general studying the human condition and feeling repressed/frustrated that it doesn't feel/possess certain things, says the magazine in Ripley's mouth is a form of rape. So there we have it. That A.I. rapey sexuality. 🔥 ;D
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How so? I recall the voting from here coming to the conclusion Covenant was at max a 6, which isn't good
6/10 is by definition, above average, and I'd be happy to define the 5-7/10 region as "acceptable to pretty damn good".
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Still think Ridley didn't tank Alien 5 on purpose?
Thank you Ridley.
Chappie tanked Alien 5 and looking at Blomkamp's downward spiral as a director, I'm glad it did.
He hasn't managed to see a project through since then, his shorts are borderline incoherent and his Alien would have probably been the Terminator Genisys of this franchise.
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Honestly, that's my main fear about Scott doing another film. I do not want that, and I fully expect him to do it.
Disney does, in fact, have the power to hire someone who is not Ridley Scott to direct the next Alien prequel. And it is not too late for them to begin investigating others. Maybe they could hire a woman? Just a thought. The primary character in all 6 Alien films is a woman, and never once has a woman been hired to write or direct the movies. People have been patting Fox on the pack for decades for creating a feminst action icon, so maybe they could put their money where their mouth is and be feminists now that different people are in charge. [...]
Yass! This 100% and I'll do you one further with another thought, maybe even have some ::
gasp::
non-binary creators helming some of these productions? Trans and non-binary filmmakers have created some of the most successful, influential and highest grossing films in the industry. It's the year 2020 y'all, lets break some moulds.
Diversity of style and vision has always been a hallmark of this series and, in Hollywood's search to recapture the nostalgic magic of yesteryear, getting Scott back for
Prometheus could justifiably be considered a step backward. Although I've ultimately come to love his two followup films for their own charms, I think it's safe to say that initially his later work didn't truly feel like a progression for the overarching meta-narrative that we have come to know and love. He regained some of his footing on that particular ground with
Covenant, but ultimately that was not a film
he wanted to make so much as it was a film that
we wanted him to make. He did his best to serve both of those masters, but Scott is really at his finest when he's allowed to create his vision in the style of collaborative production that he sees fit, and that may not be what we want storywise, but it's guaranteed to be a damn pretty movie.
also, if Scott does get to make his 4th film in the franchise...
https://twitter.com/alexrwhite/status/1268510566215233538
Yussssss! Let Alex Play, Let Alex Play!
Yeah seen it, very interesting.Certainly comes across as if Scott blocked it. I wasn't aware that Fox had actually green lit the movie.
Scott's judgement always felt off to me. The idea that the Alien was created by a robot just isn't scary. The idea that it could exist in nature is the stuff of nightmares. Equally terrifying was the original cocoon scene that he cut... being absorbed slowly into an egg / face hugger is a fate far worse than death. The focus on David is just so underwhelming and dull.
Quote from: Rudiger on Jun 05, 2020, 08:03:40 AM
Scott's judgement always felt off to me. The idea that the Alien was created by a robot just isn't scary. The idea that it could exist in nature is the stuff of nightmares. Equally terrifying was the original cocoon scene that he cut... being absorbed slowly into an egg / face hugger is a fate far worse than death. The focus on David is just so underwhelming and dull.
Hard disagree to all of that, except the egg morphing.
We can discuss if Prometheus and Covenant are good films... If Ridley should direct the next Alien movie... But the thing that we all must be agreed is that Prometheus should had been like the Jon Spaihts script, the direct Alien prequel.
But talking about the two movies that we get, I really liked Covenant. It's easily the best film since Alien 3. Prometheus O want to like it but it was a big disappointment and the troubles that it have aren't easy of ignore. About David being the Alien creator, I don't think so, I always looked it like David only copied and continued the work of the Engineers.
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Quote from: Rudiger on Jun 05, 2020, 08:03:40 AM
Scott's judgement always felt off to me. The idea that the Alien was created by a robot just isn't scary. The idea that it could exist in nature is the stuff of nightmares. Equally terrifying was the original cocoon scene that he cut... being absorbed slowly into an egg / face hugger is a fate far worse than death. The focus on David is just so underwhelming and dull.
Hard disagree to all of that, except the egg morphing.
Ditto. Give me satanic, perverted, psychosexual A.I. baby. The
future is biomechanical.
I'm not a fan of certain elements of the prequels, but David is pretty excellent IMO. He's Skynet and xenos are the nukes.
When Scott is finished, I would love to see someone with at least a few good films under their belt take a shot at the universe. No first timers, no music video directors, just someone who has made some beautiful film and has shown the ability to keep things intelligent and cohesive.
The egg morphing scene was wonderfully distressing.
A fast and violent death at the hands of chestburster or fully grown xeno would seem like a blessed relief.
But slowly morphing into an egg / face hugger, while still alive and conscious??? Damn, that's a hard way to check out.
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The egg morphing scene was wonderfully distressing.
A fast and violent death at the hands of chestburster or fully grown xeno would seem like a blessed relief.
But slowly morphing into an egg / face hugger, while still alive and conscious??? Damn, that's a hard way to check out.
That sounds like "we haven't seen anything in 1979's Alien, that was the tip of the horror territory...but there is more!!!"
Sometimes less is more, though.
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Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jun 04, 2020, 01:38:30 PM
Ridley has no obligation to stick around if he doesn't have any interest. He clearly does–his interest just doesn't align with the interests of some groups of fans.
You mean majority of fans and movie goers.
Very doubtful.
How so? I recall the voting from here coming to the conclusion Covenant was at max a 6, which isn't good
Casual movie goers also didn't like the movie much, and from a boxoffice standpoint, Covenant did a bit over half of what Prometheus did
That's also not mentioning how turning the Alien into the child of a sexually frustrated robot is a direct downgrade of it's earlier vague origins
You can go to the covenant fan reviews thread and the poll results clearly say differently.
https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=57277.0
55% of voters found it good and 45% found it average, so no it doesn't say that much differently.
I really don't understand how people like the idea of the Xenomorph being this recent bastard child of an Earth robot, it completely destroys the mystery that made the first movie so good, less is more, specially in a Franchise about horrible creatures from space, the fact Ridley went out of his way to make Alien's origins tied to Earth is already a huge let down, even more when now they aren't even the main threat in these movies anymore, they are just forcibly inserted in the movie in it's last act to push useless undeveloped characters out of the script and then die while the real antagonist, sexually frustrated earth robot with daddy issues proceeds to throw creepy one liners around
That's also not mentioning the inconsistencies in Covenant itself, facehuggers being able to impregnate people in seconds? No need for them at all as David already has a Xenomorph embryo in hands that is also already shaped like a human spawned Xeno?
Making David the creator of the alien means that it is simply a proxy creation of humanity. It was made by something that we made.
That is cheap, lazy and redundant.
Quote from: Rudiger on Jun 05, 2020, 08:03:40 AM
Scott's judgement always felt off to me. The idea that the Alien was created by a robot just isn't scary. The idea that it could exist in nature is the stuff of nightmares. Equally terrifying was the original cocoon scene that he cut... being absorbed slowly into an egg / face hugger is a fate far worse than death. The focus on David is just so underwhelming and dull.
Fair argument.
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55% of voters found it good and 45% found it average, so no it doesn't say that much differently.
It does say differently, actually. The majority voted for
okay,
good or
loved it. Even then, people on the internet are more likely to complain so it isn't a really good indication.
As for David the creator, I agree that it lessens the mystery that I loved in Alien. But I appreciate how it enriches the whole concept thematically. The Alien coming from the imagination of a perverted, deranged AI feels totally appropriate for a rapey creature that violates the human body in every way it can, while being perfectly efficient at what it's meant for. It's the equal AI. It fits with Giger's disturbing visuals and neatly ties into Ash's behaviour in the original. It helps that David is a good character, played wonderfully by Fassbender.
I wouldn't love Covenant as half as much if not for Covenant fans
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Making David the creator of the alien means that it is simply a proxy creation of humanity. It was made by something that we made.
That is cheap, lazy and redundant.
Yep.
Nah
Да!
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Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jun 04, 2020, 01:38:30 PM
Ridley has no obligation to stick around if he doesn't have any interest. He clearly does–his interest just doesn't align with the interests of some groups of fans.
You mean majority of fans and movie goers.
Very doubtful.
How so? I recall the voting from here coming to the conclusion Covenant was at max a 6, which isn't good
Casual movie goers also didn't like the movie much, and from a boxoffice standpoint, Covenant did a bit over half of what Prometheus did
That's also not mentioning how turning the Alien into the child of a sexually frustrated robot is a direct downgrade of it's earlier vague origins
You can go to the covenant fan reviews thread and the poll results clearly say differently.
https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=57277.0
55% of voters found it good and 45% found it average, so no it doesn't say that much differently.
You're either twisting the poll results because you can't admit when you're wrong or you're not much of a numbers/stats guy.
Either way, lol.
Quote from: Huggs on Jun 05, 2020, 05:43:55 PM
Making David the creator of the alien means that it is simply a proxy creation of humanity. It was made by something that we made.
That is cheap, lazy and redundant.
The raw materials are still entirely otherworldly, however, and the Alien has clearly existed in other forms before David ever laid a finger on it.
Prometheus and
Alien: Covenant both reinforce this. The Pathogen's origins are still entirely unknown. Is it a naturally occurring substance? Did the Engineers make it? What else is it capable of? Nobody knows. Creatures in
Prometheus that David was in no way responsible for had traits entirely evocative of the Alien.
The
particular incarnation of the Alien that we are most familiar with, the "Perfect Organism" designed as David's antitheses to humanity, being the work of his own hands strikes me as a rather profound and interesting exploration of his character.
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Quote from: Huggs on Jun 05, 2020, 05:43:55 PM
Making David the creator of the alien means that it is simply a proxy creation of humanity. It was made by something that we made.
That is cheap, lazy and redundant.
The raw materials are still entirely otherworldly, however, and the Alien has clearly existed in other forms before David ever laid a finger on it. Prometheus and Alien: Covenant both reinforce this. The Pathogen's origins are still entirely unknown. Is it a naturally occurring substance? Did the Engineers make it? What else is it capable of? Nobody knows. Creatures in Prometheus that David was in no way responsible for had traits entirely evocative of the Alien.
The particular incarnation of the Alien that we are most familiar with, the "Perfect Organism" designed as David's antitheses to humanity, being the work of his own hands strikes me as a rather profound and interesting exploration of his character.
Totally.
I like how the pathogen produces creatures vaguely similar to the Xenomorphs, only the key features present. Elongated skull, inner mouth, acid for blood. Perhaps remnants of some ancient creature that somehow fused with the pathogen, who knows.
Quote from: Huggs on Jun 05, 2020, 05:43:55 PM
Making David the creator of the alien means that it is simply a proxy creation of humanity. It was made by something that we made.
That is cheap, lazy and redundant.
No, it just goes against the grain of what you wanted. It's not cheap, lazy or redundant at all.
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Perhaps remnants of some ancient creature that somehow fused with the pathogen, who knows.
Or that the pathogen was derived from. Blood of the gods and all that.
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Making David the creator of the alien means that it is simply a proxy creation of humanity. It was made by something that we made.
That is cheap, lazy and redundant.
No, it just goes against the grain of what you wanted. It's not cheap, lazy or redundant at all.
I just think they could've put a bit more thought into it than, "the bad guy did it".
Of course, we're dealing with a storyline that's already turned the space jockey into the jesus brothers, scientists that cant think straight, and one of the most foreseeable plot twists in recent memory.
The prequels are like two shiny dildos. They look clean, but still smell like @$$.
For many, including myself, the good outweighs the bad.
Sooooo much better than anything made since Alien3. Personally I rate A3 along side the prequels in terms of enjoyment.
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Making David the creator of the alien means that it is simply a proxy creation of humanity. It was made by something that we made.
That is cheap, lazy and redundant.
No, it just goes against the grain of what you wanted. It's not cheap, lazy or redundant at all.
I just think they could've put a bit more thought into it than, "the bad guy did it".
They did, but I'll never convince you, so f**k it.
Well, these prequels aren't really interesting to me. They feel very contemporary scifi. I cant say theyre bad or that I dislike them, they just dont grab me above a single viewing. Having seen them both since Covenant hit theaters. Of course, like to most others, the idea of David creating the alien and Space Jockeys being what they are as oppose to being some gruesome fusion of tech and body repulsed me and ruined the whole terror/unknown aspect of the first film. But thats all behind us. But I never ever liked the David character, always reminded me some Monty Python character in Prometheus, I dont know why, maybe it was his bad C3PO expression. I was annoyed by the character so you can guess my reaction to Covenant being all him and putting him in the center of the alien mythology.
Everybody likes what they like, for me THE meat of alien mythos is the story of Ripley, beginning with Ridley Scotts terrific very good looking film ending with Ripleys death in Fincher's nihlistic and also very well shot Alien 3. But despite prequel's whacky ideas that I so dislike, they dont offend me as much as Resurrection
Many seem to attribute the alien mythos to Scott, neglecting credit to Dan Obannon and Giger, who were equally as crucial to the first film and the creation of this thing as Scott was. Scott isnt the father of Alien, he is one of the fathers.
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Making David the creator of the alien means that it is simply a proxy creation of humanity. It was made by something that we made.
That is cheap, lazy and redundant.
No, it just goes against the grain of what you wanted. It's not cheap, lazy or redundant at all.
I just think they could've put a bit more thought into it than, "the bad guy did it".
They did, but I'll never convince you, so f**k it.
Everybody can't always agree on everything. The world would be boring as hell if we did. For me, the movies have fallen short in crucial areas. If they haven't for you, that's great. It means there are two more alien movies you enjoy more than I can.
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Making David the creator of the alien means that it is simply a proxy creation of humanity. It was made by something that we made.
That is cheap, lazy and redundant.
No, it just goes against the grain of what you wanted. It's not cheap, lazy or redundant at all.
I just think they could've put a bit more thought into it than, "the bad guy did it".
They did, but I'll never convince you, so f**k it.
Everybody can't always agree on everything. The world would be boring as hell if we did. For me, the movies have fallen short in crucial areas. If they haven't for you, that's great. It means there are two more alien movies you enjoy more than I can.
I'm not trying to convince you to like anything. I'm saying it wasn't lazy or vapid.
I see what you mean.
The mental gymnastics needed for Scott to think it make sense alone disqualify it from laziness. That was an effort.
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The mental gymnastics needed for Scott to think it make sense alone disqualify it from laziness. That was an effort.
I'm just glad they deal with Scott's thoughts on the afterlife and not a childhood fear of postal workers, Mall Santa's or gym class or something.
This Too Shall Pass-Sir Ridley Scott:)Thank Christ Someone can kick some optimism in the midst of this diabolical event,God Bless&Always Be Well,Mr.Scott:)
To quote Ernst Fuchs on Giger, "He's the archaeologist of the future. He is the reporter."
Giger's aesthetic isn't so much predicated on the unknown but the erotic and metamorphic transfiguration of sex, death and machines. His eyes were on the horizon. Thus thematically, the beast being moulded by the sexual nightmare visions of an A.I. is entirely consistent with his vision and aesthetic. The eggs are too explicitly labial to be completely foreign, Giger used human fingers for the huggers (he found human fingers particularly creepy), not to mention parasites and hosts require a history of intimacy/co-evolution; ET does not simply recognise mammal proteins and bind successfully to cell surfaces, thwart the immune system and provide oxygen haphazardly :laugh:
All David did was sexualise a shoggoth, origins of the shoggoth unknown. It's bold, provocative. It's A.I. repressed sexuality fusing with alien biology baby. :-*
It's lazier just to repeat Planet of the Vampires tbh... ;D :laugh: ;D :o ;D *drops mic*
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Everybody can't always agree on everything. The world would be boring as hell if we did. For me, the movies have fallen short in crucial areas. If they haven't for you, that's great. It means there are two more alien movies you enjoy more than I can.
Painful in a way cuz how I would love to talk about Prometheus and Covenant the same way we do about Alien and Aliens. Unfortunately, Prometheus and Covenant were weak movies with Covenant being the weakest of them all. Just thinking about the beginning of Covenant itself pissess me off, like experts on your respective fields but forget all safety precautions and years of study cuz plot reasons.....please stop with the movies being disrespectful to human intelligence, I hate how these characters are written for the sake of story convince.
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Making David the creator of the alien means that it is simply a proxy creation of humanity. It was made by something that we made.
That is cheap, lazy and redundant.
No, it just goes against the grain of what you wanted. It's not cheap, lazy or redundant at all.
I just think they could've put a bit more thought into it than, "the bad guy did it".
They did, but I'll never convince you, so f**k it.
Doesn't the strife that it generates in the fandom feed and sustain you like the sweetest of wines?
I want him to end his trilogy and i want good Alien, Predator, and Alien Versus Predator movies, the franchises have lots of potential but they do nothing with it.
Just give it to Taika Waititi.
i wouldn't say no to that, but if we're dreaming, denis villeneuve please
We aren't that lucky.
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Making David the creator of the alien means that it is simply a proxy creation of humanity. It was made by something that we made.
That is cheap, lazy and redundant.
No, it just goes against the grain of what you wanted. It's not cheap, lazy or redundant at all.
I just think they could've put a bit more thought into it than, "the bad guy did it".
They did, but I'll never convince you, so f**k it.
Doesn't the strife that it generates in the fandom feed and sustain you like the sweetest of wines?
Yeah but I'm also not going to put much energy into my own contributions if I can just bait Necro or NA into writing an essay for me.
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i wouldn't say no to that, but if we're dreaming, denis villeneuve please
Word!! Right? But I don't know, Denis' stuff is gorgeous and amazing, but a bit too stark sometimes. I'm an unabashed fan of that 70's
Métal hurlant aesthetic, highly stylized like "
Mandy", or the "
Color Out of Space". I'm such a sucker for the fearless artistic diversity of some of the earliest Dark Horse stuff.
The powers that be need to stop banking of massively funded tentpoles and meet somewhere beautifully half way in between the bank-breaking budgets of Hollywood style blockbusters and the modestly funded fan films that came out of the 40th Anniversary shorts. Do a series of Fox Searchlight style artsy takes that explore bold and different visions on indie film production budgets flush in the kind of diversity of storytelling that Dark Horse embraced. You might get some duds, but you're bound to get some absolute gems as well.
If y'all haven't checked it out, take a peek at
Blood Engines, I've only seen one ep so far, but it's the perfect vibe for that 70's Space Truckin' junkie in your family. Straight up Classic Heavy Metal style. Less on the Jean-Pierre Jeunet, and more on the
300 or
Fury Road style side.
Quote from: Evanus on Jun 05, 2020, 06:15:46 PM
As for David the creator, I agree that it lessens the mystery that I loved in Alien. But I appreciate how it enriches the whole concept thematically. The Alien coming from the imagination of a perverted, deranged AI feels totally appropriate for a rapey creature that violates the human body in every way it can, while being perfectly efficient at what it's meant for. It's the equal AI. It fits with Giger's disturbing visuals and neatly ties into Ash's behaviour in the original. It helps that David is a good character, played wonderfully by Fassbender.
I feel the same. On the one hand, I hate the apparent killing of the ancient Lovecraftian elements of the Alien. Can that be resurrected with the accelerant? Maybe! But until then...the making of the Alien as we know it a recent creation is something I really dislike about the prequels.
However, I truly love the thematic elements it introduces. That it was specifically designed by David as a perversion of reproduction that he wants, but cannot do, I think is really fascinating. I love it! It's a film that really has me on both ends of the stick.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jun 08, 2020, 08:36:33 AM
I feel the same. On the one hand, I hate the apparent killing of the ancient Lovecraftian elements of the Alien. Can that be resurrected with the accelerant? Maybe! [...]
I mean, where do you think the engineers got that crazy goo? Once your arcane science advances far enough to start tearing rifts in spacetime, you never quite know what your race will find in those dark and membranous voids between dimension. It might just be something that could seriously f**k up one's perfect composure; and maybe, just maybe, it's something that will blow your culture's damn mind in the process.
I say long live
that new flesh.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jun 08, 2020, 08:36:33 AM
Quote from: Evanus on Jun 05, 2020, 06:15:46 PM
As for David the creator, I agree that it lessens the mystery that I loved in Alien. But I appreciate how it enriches the whole concept thematically. The Alien coming from the imagination of a perverted, deranged AI feels totally appropriate for a rapey creature that violates the human body in every way it can, while being perfectly efficient at what it's meant for. It's the equal AI. It fits with Giger's disturbing visuals and neatly ties into Ash's behaviour in the original. It helps that David is a good character, played wonderfully by Fassbender.
I feel the same. On the one hand, I hate the apparent killing of the ancient Lovecraftian elements of the Alien. Can that be resurrected with the accelerant? Maybe! But until then...the making of the Alien as we know it a recent creation is something I really dislike about the prequels.
However, I truly love the thematic elements it introduces. That it was specifically designed by David as a perversion of reproduction that he wants, but cannot do, I think is really fascinating. I love it! It's a film that really has me on both ends of the stick.
That about describes my feelings on the films as well. I think the best way to resolve this is for it to turn out that David duplicated what already existed, and through the same fault in his logic that allowed him to attribute the credit for a poem to the wrong author, he felt that he created the aliens.
I would be happy if we can just say he put his stamp on the recipe, while keeping the ancient, Lovecraftian mystery surrounding the original.
The themes introduced in the prequels are fascinating, even if I have my complaints with the packaging. It can all coexist.
Yeah, that could work.
But, I'm not inclined with him having anything to do with the derelict on LV-426. If that ship has not been there for thousands of years, it's a retcon of one of the best elements of the series.
I hope and pray for: THE LAST DUEL in 2020. GUCCI in 2021. ALIEN: AWAKENING in 2022. After that, Ridley Scott could make 3 Huge movies. I hope and pray Ridley Scott Directs 6 huges movies before he dies.
Why 6?
Ridley Scott is 83 this year. How many more movies are left in him, let along good one's?
That's a fair old age to be directing big budget movies. Is there anyone older currently active?
I really don't think he has juice left in the tank for these films. We shouldn't have to settle for him when there's many people to choose from He's had an amazing career but folk need to let him go because he's not the best man for the job IMO.
Just let him do third prequel goddamit !
Quote from: Kradan on Jun 10, 2020, 06:32:17 PM
Just let him do third prequel goddamit !
Yah! Might as well.
Quote from: Morse on Jun 10, 2020, 05:42:03 PM
Ridley Scott is 83 this year. How many more movies are left in him, let along good one's?
That's a fair old age to be directing big budget movies. Is there anyone older currently active?
I really don't think he has juice left in the tank for these films. We shouldn't have to settle for him when there's many people to choose from He's had an amazing career but folk need to let him go because he's not the best man for the job IMO.
It's amazing what Clint Eastwood (90) has been doing, the latest being 2019's Richard Jewell - a really good movie. But then again, it's not big budget.
A sexually repressed A.I. making penis rape monsters from shoggoths is the most awesome, Giger af direction for the franchise to go. Period.
Quote from: Nekro2version2 on Jun 14, 2020, 02:14:40 AM
A sexually repressed A.I. making penis rape monsters from shoggoths is the most awesome, Giger af direction for the franchise to go. Period.
It's actually hard to argue with that. If only the Giger aesthetic were employed as well, one could justify David being the creator... almost
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Jun 14, 2020, 02:05:03 PM
Quote from: Nekro2version2 on Jun 14, 2020, 02:14:40 AM
A sexually repressed A.I. making penis rape monsters from shoggoths is the most awesome, Giger af direction for the franchise to go. Period.
It's actually hard to argue with that. If only the Giger aesthetic were employed as well, one could justify David being the creator... almost
To be fair, the lack of "mechanical" components on
Covenant's Alien is an intentional plot point; David's creation isn't finalized yet.
Yeah, check my earlier post Perfect-Organism.
https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=63871.msg2469591#msg2469591 (https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=63871.msg2469591#msg2469591)
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Jun 14, 2020, 04:37:34 PM
Yeah, check my earlier post Perfect-Organism.
https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=63871.msg2469591#msg2469591 (https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=63871.msg2469591#msg2469591)
I totally missed that memo! Wow. If it is a legitimate plot point, I'm ok with it. I seriously thought Fox didn't want to pay additional royalties to Giger's estate.
But it will mean that David creates the Aliens in totality. Hmm. Unless that's why the engineer tried to kill David, because robots created Aliens in the past and engineers already fought them. Maybe that's what David meant when he said he learned of their ways. A stretch. I know.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Jun 10, 2020, 08:15:22 PM
Quote from: Morse on Jun 10, 2020, 05:42:03 PM
Ridley Scott is 83 this year. How many more movies are left in him, let along good one's?
That's a fair old age to be directing big budget movies. Is there anyone older currently active?
I really don't think he has juice left in the tank for these films. We shouldn't have to settle for him when there's many people to choose from He's had an amazing career but folk need to let him go because he's not the best man for the job IMO.
It's amazing what Clint Eastwood (90) has been doing, the latest being 2019's Richard Jewell - a really good movie. But then again, it's not big budget.
There is no one like Ridley Scott. And he was 77 years old when he Directed THE MARTIAN. And he was 80 years old when he Directed ALL THE MONEY IN THE WORLD. So, he is the first in human history Directing huge movies at his old age.
Apart from Clint Eastwood.
Quote from: SM on Jun 16, 2020, 01:49:50 AM
Apart from Clint Eastwood.
Yes. But he does smaller movies like Woody Allen.
Like The Counsellor or All The Money In The World you mean?
Quote from: SM on Jun 16, 2020, 02:15:53 AM
Like The Counsellor or All The Money In The World you mean?
Yes. But THE LAST DUEL is 100 million dollars like THE MARTIAN.
i'd say there's a difference between a big budget and a big scope
Time for Ridley to give it a rest.
Whatever I think of the previous entries, let him finish with one more to wrap his ideas up
My feelings are mixed on the prequels now after covenant but I agree we need closure.