http://collider.com/disney-movies-release-dates-fox/
As far as we know, none are greenlit. I wouldn't be surprised if Scott and his usual crew were still exploring story ideas though.
As far as I know there's always 5-7 years gap between Alien movies:
Alien - Aliens - 7 years; Aliens - Alien 3 - 6 years; Alien 3 - Resurrection - 5 years; Resurrection - AVP (yeah, i count them too) - 7 years; AVP - Requiem - 3 years (record !); Requiem - Prometheus - 5 years; Prometheus - Covenant - 5 years.
Just wait bro. Time will do its job.
Unless the Avatar king James Cameron convinces Disnox to move forward with a new Sigourney Weaver led Alien3 - which the box office returns of Terminator Dark Fate may ultimately be the deciding factor of, I'm still suspecting television is next for Alien.
I would be really suprised if Terminator Dark Fate will be anything approaching a sucess. Jimbo or not, the franchise seems to be even more burnt out than Alien.
I don't think taking Alien to TV or streaming would be the worse thing in the world.
Not at all. Maybe even help to bring it back on track.
Agreed.
1 more prequel please to finish the story, do what you want after. The gaps between films reassures
As I've written on this site before, Disney wants blockbusters.
MCU delivers that.
Alien & Predator do not.
Big hits like "Black Panther" will get another film.
Underperforming movies like "Alien Covenent" & "The Predator" will not with Disney in charge.
;)
Disney still produces and releases smaller films under its other labels.
Quote from: SiL on May 13, 2019, 12:07:22 AM
Disney still produces and releases smaller films under its other labels.
Of course they do. But the key word is smaller or movies having a production budget far below $100 million which are under $80 million.
So Disney companies will release small films like;
"Tini: The New Life of Violetta" (2016) / "Tini: El gran cambio de Violetta" (micro budget)
Or "The Finest Hours" (2016) ($70-80 million)
And "Pete's Dragon" (2016) ($65 million)
** Alien & Predator movies cost more than that.
- Disney has seen the box office performance of the Alien & Predator movies & from their POV, these films underperform and will not be approved.
Sequels to "Alien: Covenant" ($97 million) and "The Predator" ($88 million) would be too expensive for Disney to want to take a chance.
This explains why with Disney's announced plans for franchise sequels, there is no mention of Alien or Predator movies.
- Disney wants at least box office 3x the production budget. And Marvel constantly gives them well beyond that.
;)
Me thinks Hulu is definitely the way to go.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on May 14, 2019, 10:11:18 PM
Me thinks Hulu is definitely the way to go.
I think an extensive saga, on Blu-ray, mailed straight to my house would be the best way to go.
Quote from: bb-15 on May 14, 2019, 09:06:49 PM
- Disney wants at least box office 3x the production budget.
Literally every studio wants that for theatrical films.
You can make Alien and Predator movies for less than $80m. They always were before the last three.
Quote from: bb-15 on May 14, 2019, 09:06:49 PM
- Disney wants at least box office 3x the production budget.
Even AVPR managed to do that. So they just need to try a little.
Its official, and where an Alien or Predator series would most likely wind up if they moved to television.
Disney Gains Full Control of Hulu in Comcast Deal
Walt Disney Co. moved to take full control over Hulu through a wide-ranging deal with Comcast Corp. , ending years of complicated ownership of one of the media industry's hot properties.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/disney-to-assume-full-operational-control-of-hulu-11557839286
So they'll have Hulu AND Disney+? Why bother?
I mean I know the answer is "so they can have all of the money" but still.
You can do a lot with a limited budget depending on the cast and special effects team.
District 9 had an estimated budget of $30,000,000. It still looks good 10 years later. And better than many more recent, big budget movies.
Quote from: Xenomrph on May 15, 2019, 02:57:12 AM
So they'll have Hulu AND Disney+? Why bother?
I mean I know the answer is "so they can have all of the money" but still.
I thought Disney+ only shows Disney stuff. And all PG-13.
So they could use Hulu as an extra, separate competitor to Netflix. And get an extra income as well.
Yeah, Hulu will be for the non-Disney image properties. They want to maintain that divide. Hulu is US only, so unless they go worldwide with it we'd be seeing deals with NetFlix or Prime for distribution.
Quote from: SiL on May 14, 2019, 10:27:13 PM
Quote from: bb-15 on May 14, 2019, 09:06:49 PM
- Disney wants at least box office 3x the production budget.
Literally every studio wants that for theatrical films.
You can make Alien and Predator movies for less than $80m. They always were before the last three.
I agree. Aliens which was the high mark in the franchise was made for 18.5 million adjusted for inflation in 2019...it's $42 million.
Disney can green light a project and get 3x the return its just knowing how to utilize that money from writing a tight script, and toning down the cgi for practical effects and if you want to throw in big epic scenes like being in the juggernaut, use models, build half size sets like Scott did for Alien and use kids with engineer prosthetics.
You couldn't make Aliens for $42m today.
The last time they tried to make an Alien film for that sort of money - we got AvP:R.
Quote from: SM on May 15, 2019, 09:37:50 PM
You couldn't make Aliens for $42m today.
The last time they tried to make an Alien film for that sort of money - we got AvP:R.
I thought the budget was $75 and a toilet roll holder
It couldn't stretch to the toilet roll holder.
Quote from: SM on May 15, 2019, 09:42:08 PM
It couldn't stretch to the toilet roll holder.
It could, we just couldn't see it. Jokes aside, you're absolutely right, no way we would get a movie of the quality of Aliens for 42 million dollars. The marketing alone would eat a huge chunk of that
QuoteIt could, we just couldn't see it.
:laugh:
Quote from: SM on May 15, 2019, 09:37:50 PM
You couldn't make Aliens for $42m today.
The last time they tried to make an Alien film for that sort of money - we got AvP:R.
You could make Aliens for that price if you cut many of the same corners. I imagine a CG Queen today would be a lot more cost effective than two dudes in a rubber suit hoisted on a crane.
Quote from: SM on May 15, 2019, 09:37:50 PM
You couldn't make Aliens for $42m today.
The last time they tried to make an Alien film for that sort of money - we got AvP:R.
I really doubt that Requiem turned out so trashy because of its low budget.
Have a look at what the criticisms are, and I think you'll find more money would've certainly helped.
Quote from: SiL on May 15, 2019, 10:42:11 PM
Quote from: SM on May 15, 2019, 09:37:50 PM
You couldn't make Aliens for $42m today.
The last time they tried to make an Alien film for that sort of money - we got AvP:R.
You could make Aliens for that price if you cut many of the same corners. I imagine a CG Queen today would be a lot more cost effective than two dudes in a rubber suit hoisted on a crane.
But a CG Queen as effective as the puppet on that kind of budget?
Quote from: SM on May 15, 2019, 10:50:17 PM
Have a look at what the criticisms are, and I think you'll find more money would've certainly helped.
A 75W bulb or 2 on set wouldn't have hurt either.
Thank God for the Blu-ray.
Quote from: SM on May 15, 2019, 09:37:50 PM
You couldn't make Aliens for $42m today.
The last time they tried to make an Alien film for that sort of money - we got AvP:R.
When Blomkamp tried to raise money for a Firebase full length, I think the goal was 30 or 40 million.
He also said back then
"If we raise $40 dollars we will film a 'Firebase' cat video. If we raise $100 million we will shoot a 'Firebase' feature trilogy."
So I don't think it's impossible.
Quote from: SiL on May 15, 2019, 10:42:11 PM
Quote from: SM on May 15, 2019, 09:37:50 PM
You couldn't make Aliens for $42m today.
The last time they tried to make an Alien film for that sort of money - we got AvP:R.
You could make Aliens for that price if you cut many of the same corners. I imagine a CG Queen today would be a lot more cost effective than two dudes in a rubber suit hoisted on a crane.
I still remember reading the behind the scenes of Aliens where they mentioned using camera techniques to emulate the long rows of sleeping chambers in the cryodeck due to their budget limitations. So it's more than possible. Though I have to agree, marketing has taken greater importance lately and that's taking a major chunk of the budget. Unless Disney goes for minimal advertising and just have faith that their tight script and good word of mouth is enough to bring the masses to the film.
I know its not a valid comparison due to the genre, though Scott 'All the Money in the World' was done with 50 million production budget...that's with the 10 million dollar reshoots with the Spacey affair. That film looked great. Scott was able to lock down the places he had originally shot to redo most of the scenes. So the budget is there, though, like some have mentioned...the marketing budget is the problem.
The cheap tubing and duct work of the juggernaut. :laugh:
Quote from: 0321recon on May 16, 2019, 12:50:06 AM
Quote from: SiL on May 15, 2019, 10:42:11 PM
Quote from: SM on May 15, 2019, 09:37:50 PM
You couldn't make Aliens for $42m today.
The last time they tried to make an Alien film for that sort of money - we got AvP:R.
You could make Aliens for that price if you cut many of the same corners. I imagine a CG Queen today would be a lot more cost effective than two dudes in a rubber suit hoisted on a crane.
I still remember reading the behind the scenes of Aliens where they mentioned using camera techniques to emulate the long rows of sleeping chambers in the cryodeck due to their budget limitations. So it's more than possible. Though I have to agree, marketing has taken greater importance lately and that's taking a major chunk of the budget. Unless Disney goes for minimal advertising and just have faith that their tight script and good word of mouth is enough to bring the masses to the film.
I know its not a valid comparison due to the genre, though Scott 'All the Money in the World' was done with 50 million production budget...that's with the 10 million dollar reshoots with the Spacey affair. That film looked great. Scott was able to lock down the places he had originally shot to redo most of the scenes. So the budget is there, though, like some have mentioned...the marketing budget is the problem.
With Aliens you have to build all the locations - internal and external - and pay the people to build them at today's wages.
Something like All The Money In The World or AvP:R can use existing locations.
A modern Aliens could save money with by using CG models for the Sulaco, dropship, APC, Gateway etc. As they're largely static models, that don't need rigging as you would with an animated character.
Locations can be built affordably if you travel to places with good incentives, like Anderson did to make
AvP.
Quote from: SM on May 15, 2019, 10:50:17 PM
Have a look at what the criticisms are, and I think you'll find more money would've certainly helped.
Most of the problems come from the script, and the script was being dictated by half a dozen people. Throwing more money at it wouldn't have solved anything.
QuoteBut a CG Queen as effective as the puppet on that kind of budget?
Absolutely possible. Look at
The Host, which had a beautiful CG monster on a very meagre budget. If the shots are planned and staged carefully, you can get very good results on a lower budget. Especially if you minimise the number of CG shots you use.
QuoteLocations can be built affordably if you travel to places with good incentives, like Anderson did to make AvP.
I was more comparing like to like - ie. if it was shot in the UK.
QuoteMost of the problems come from the script, and the script was being dictated by half a dozen people. Throwing more money at it wouldn't have solved anything.
Higher profile cast might've helped, and a higher budget might've allowed them to set it in space like everyone except John Davis wanted.
QuoteAbsolutely possible. Look at The Host, which had a beautiful CG monster on a very meagre budget. If the shots are planned and staged carefully, you can get very good results on a lower budget. Especially if you minimise the number of CG shots you use.
But could you minimise the CG shots for the loader fight?
Quote from: SiL on May 16, 2019, 02:10:52 AM
Quote from: SM on May 15, 2019, 10:50:17 PM
Have a look at what the criticisms are, and I think you'll find more money would've certainly helped.
Most of the problems come from the script, and the script was being dictated by half a dozen people. Throwing more money at it wouldn't have solved anything.
Just like Alien 3, Covenant had plenty of scripts if the Reddit is to be believed (16 scripts) that were shut down by Fox. My speculation is every writer who took a stab at the script, they went too far in refining the story to the extreme of killing off the captivating elements of Prometheus (The Engineers and Dr. Shaw) that it killed the film and put the franchise on ice. Waterson couldn't pull off what Rapace did with the material she was given. If a final film is done, I do hope they have just one set of writers to write the script, though don't go overboard and over tweaking that they fix one thing and ruin everything else in the process like it occurred in Covenant.
Daniels doesn't have any development and consequently isn't as interesting as other protagonists.
Quote from: SM on May 16, 2019, 03:36:50 AM
Daniels doesn't have any development and consequently isn't as interesting as other protagonists.
You beat me to it.
Quote from: Huggs on May 16, 2019, 04:04:19 AM
Quote from: SM on May 16, 2019, 03:36:50 AM
Daniels doesn't have any development and consequently isn't as interesting as other protagonists.
You beat me to it.
Yup! I didn't feel for her when David reveals himself to her in the end. I thought, sucks being you. :laugh: ;D
Though, have it being Dr. Shaw instead, then yeah it would have been a gut punch, and most of the audience would have freaked out for her safety, and actually wanted another film to find out her fate. Though, it didn't happen and the franchise is on ice.
Quote from: SM on May 16, 2019, 03:23:24 AM
I was more comparing like to like - ie. if it was shot in the UK.
I was just going by the budget.
It depends on how like-for-like you want to get -- you reckon Michael Beihn is cheaper or dearer these days? ;D
QuoteHigher profile cast might've helped, and a higher budget might've allowed them to set it in space like everyone except John Davis wanted.
Higher profile cast wouldn't fix the shit writing, though. You'd just be having good actors reading awful lines. They had the money to set it in space, Davis didn't want to. Same with
AvP.
QuoteBut could you minimise the CG shots for the loader fight?
You'd minimise the shots (or their complexity) over the rest of the film to concentrate on where they're needed. Like you said, spaceships and space scenes are relatively easy. The Queen scenes would take up the bulk of the complex, costly and time-consuming CGI -- and they're only in it towards the end.
Aliens was always low budget for what it was. They only pulled it off through ingenuity and careful planning. You'd do the same today.
Biehn was pretty cheap back then, so tough call.
Quote from: SM on May 16, 2019, 06:54:09 AM
Biehn was pretty cheap back then, so tough call.
He got paid more for his likeness in Alien 3 than he did for appearing in Aliens right?
Yeah something like that.
Quote from: 0321recon on May 16, 2019, 04:16:44 AM
Yup! I didn't feel for her when David reveals himself to her in the end. I thought, sucks being you. :laugh: ;D
Her freaking out in the end after "big reveal" gives me some sadistic enjoyment every time.
Quote from: Kradan on May 16, 2019, 06:26:56 PM
Quote from: 0321recon on May 16, 2019, 04:16:44 AM
Yup! I didn't feel for her when David reveals himself to her in the end. I thought, sucks being you. :laugh: ;D
Her freaking out in the end after "big reveal" gives me some sadistic enjoyment every time.
:D :laugh:
Quote from: Kradan on May 16, 2019, 06:26:56 PM
Quote from: 0321recon on May 16, 2019, 04:16:44 AM
Yup! I didn't feel for her when David reveals himself to her in the end. I thought, sucks being you. :laugh: ;D
Her freaking out in the end after "big reveal" gives me some sadistic enjoyment every time.
Yeah, me too. But I'm rooting for David so that's no surprise.
https://yutani.studio/2019/05/24/michael-fassbender-wants-to-reprise-the-role-of-david-in-alien-awakening/
QuoteInterviewer: Let me ask you, and staying within the 20th Century Fox Family. Would you like to continue the story of one great character (David, Alien: Covenant) that you portrayed last time, a couple of years ago? Because we left him in space with this delirium of omnipotence, killing two people in this cryogenic hypersleep.
Michael Fassbender: Hmmn fun times.
James McAvoy: He's a fun dude to hang with.
Michael Fassbender: He's a great guy, but don't turn your back on him.
I'd love to, you know I absolutely just love working with Ridley and it was a real sort of moment for me when I stepped on the set of Prometheus and got to work with him and yeah I love the character. It's a lot of fun. So yeah, you know I'd definitely enjoy.
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/alien-ridley-scott-reveals-how-iconic-scene-went-wrong-1213109
QuoteRuminating on the immediate future of the Alien franchise, now that Disney has acquired 21st Century Fox, Scott confirms that there are discussions for future installments, but warns that if the basic premise of "the beast" does not evolve like the Xenomorph itself, the "joke" gets old.
Quote from: Evanus on May 24, 2019, 02:44:28 PM
https://yutani.studio/2019/05/24/michael-fassbender-wants-to-reprise-the-role-of-david-in-alien-awakening/
Nice to know he's still up for it and not bored with the character.
Ridley mapping out six more prequel films with Disney
Nice to see Riddles still thinks the creature is the problem, not poor writing.
A joke.
So it's a joke now is it?
It's a massive misjudgment.
I adore R.S's work most of the time, but he's so incorrect about the Alien's longevity.
It's all about the goddamn script.
I thought Gladiator 2 was a joke when I first heard of it.
I don't know, I feel like he has a point but then again I'm sure they can make the alien scary again. Isolation did it. Sure, it's a game so maybe it's not a very good comparison but still.. I do think he's right that we need more original stuff instead of just nostalgia pandering though. We'll see. I'm still hoping they get a good writer to do one last prequel directed by Scott.
Need to keep coming up with new ideas and aliens for future prequels
I pray that's sarcasm. lol
Quote from: Huggs on May 24, 2019, 03:53:32 PM
A joke.
So it's a joke now is it?
Spoiler
Honk Honk.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Lg_1Ka3C5I
I have issues with both prequels from a script point, though I have to agree with Scott regarding longevity and nostalgia.
A prime example is the Terminator. The trailer for Dark Fate came out yesterday, and the reception has been mixed with the critique of doubling on the nostalgia of the first two films and coming across as uninspired. I was surprised with the reception knowing that Cameron was behind the scenes as producer and credited with the story, and lauded by him as this being the true sequel to T2.
With Alien, having read the REDDIT, there needs to be lesser studio interference because thanks to them, they bludgeoned the nostalgia factor by shoving discount Ripley (Waterson), and shoe-horning the Alien for the hell of it at the cost of killing the interesting aspects of the story (Dr.Shaw and the Engineers).
Covenant would have fared better had Fox let Scott continued the Shaw, David, and Engineer narrative with new vicious creatures, and showed a hint of what's to come (xeno). They almost went there from the recent confirmation that Shaw was going to lead the story, though it didn't happen.
If a final film ever gets done, I hope Disney just lets Scott do his thing than meddle like Fox did with Covenant.
Quote from: The Old One on May 24, 2019, 03:54:10 PM
It's a massive misjudgment.
I adore R.S's work most of the time, but he's so incorrect about the Alien's longevity.
It's all about the goddamn script.
So you'd be ok with more of the same?
Another round of humans vs xenos, as long as the script's good?
Quote from: Baron Von Marlon on May 24, 2019, 06:09:44 PM
Quote from: The Old One on May 24, 2019, 03:54:10 PM
It's a massive misjudgment.
I adore R.S's work most of the time, but he's so incorrect about the Alien's longevity.
It's all about the goddamn script.
So you'd be ok with more of the same?
Another round of humans vs xenos, as long as the script's good?
For me I'm done with that.
It was noticeable when I watched the shorts. The most interesting for me were the ones Specimen and Alone. Those barely delt with the Alien. While I found the lauded Harvest the most cliche from them.
If I want humans vs xenos I'll just watch the original trilogy.
Quote from: Baron Von Marlon on May 24, 2019, 06:09:44 PM
Quote from: The Old One on May 24, 2019, 03:54:10 PM
It's a massive misjudgment.
I adore R.S's work most of the time, but he's so incorrect about the Alien's longevity.
It's all about the goddamn script.
So you'd be ok with more of the same?
Another round of humans vs xenos, as long as the script's good?
Hell yes.
While I'm generally okay with a novel idea executed poorly (because it might prompt other people to try that same novel idea and execute it well), I'm very okay with a familiar idea executed masterfully.
Quote from: Whos_Nick on May 24, 2019, 04:07:14 PM
Need to keep coming up with new ideas and aliens for future prequels
Need to just straight adapt 'Aliens: Labyrinth' already. >:(
Quote from: 0321recon on May 24, 2019, 06:24:59 PM
Quote from: Baron Von Marlon on May 24, 2019, 06:09:44 PM
Quote from: The Old One on May 24, 2019, 03:54:10 PM
It's a massive misjudgment.
I adore R.S's work most of the time, but he's so incorrect about the Alien's longevity.
It's all about the goddamn script.
So you'd be ok with more of the same?
Another round of humans vs xenos, as long as the script's good?
If I want humans vs xenos I'll just watch the original trilogy.
Sooo.... no more shark, werewolf, or vampire flicks? Would they be just more of the same and cant be done well because we've seen them before?
Or lets make a Dracula film with no vampires, and Jaws movie with no shark. In my opinion If you don't want to see the Alien in its own franchise, maybe just say no more Alien films?
You can make a great alien film with an alien in it, just like new comics and novels can be great with the alien still in it. It doesnt have to be more of the same either, but it all comes down to the script/writing.
Quote from: 426Buddy on May 24, 2019, 08:32:33 PM
Sooo.... no more shark, werewolf, or vampire flicks? Would they be just more of the same and cant be done well because we've seen them before?
Or lets make a Dracula film with no vampires, and Jaws movie with no shark. In my opinion If you don't want to see the Alien in its own franchise, maybe just say no more Alien films?
You can make a great alien film with an alien in it, just like new comics and novels can be great with the alien still in it. It doesnt have to be more of the same either, but it all comes down to the script/writing.
Never been a fan of shark movies.
Werewolf and vampires are something completely different since there's always a human side involved.
I don't consider myself a fan of the Alien franchise. I like the original and the prequels. That's about it.
Haven't read much of the comics but the ones I did read, all come down to more of the same.
Quote from: Baron Von Marlon on May 24, 2019, 11:00:31 PM
Quote from: 426Buddy on May 24, 2019, 08:32:33 PM
Sooo.... no more shark, werewolf, or vampire flicks? Would they be just more of the same and cant be done well because we've seen them before?
Or lets make a Dracula film with no vampires, and Jaws movie with no shark. In my opinion If you don't want to see the Alien in its own franchise, maybe just say no more Alien films?
You can make a great alien film with an alien in it, just like new comics and novels can be great with the alien still in it. It doesnt have to be more of the same either, but it all comes down to the script/writing.
Never been a fan of shark movies.
Werewolf and vampires are something completely different since there's always a human side involved.
I don't consider myself a fan of the Alien franchise. I like the original and the prequels. That's about it.
Haven't read much of the comics but the ones I did read, all come down to more of the same.
Did you read 'Aliens: Labyrinth'? It is real good, and very, very different.
Quote from: Baron Von Marlon on May 24, 2019, 11:00:31 PM
I don't consider myself a fan of the Alien franchise. I like the original and the prequels. That's about it.
You don't like Aliens???
(https://media.giphy.com/media/d31wSIKuWkFf6Fjy/giphy.gif)
The comment section on Bloody Disgusting about Ridley's interview is filled with the usual typical reactions:
"Ridley sucks. I want Blomkamp. I want Ripley. It's all Scott's fault." and a few like me who appreciate the prequels and new direction they took.
Quote from: Xenomrph on May 24, 2019, 11:05:18 PM
Did you read 'Aliens: Labyrinth'? It is real good, and very, very different.
Just done browsing through it online.
As an Alien(s) story, I don't like it that much. Mainly because the new characteristics of the xenos.
But I could see it working as something original with a different creature.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on May 25, 2019, 12:41:46 AM
You don't like Aliens???
Last time I watched it I couldn't care for it anymore. It's not a bad movie, I just don't enjoy it anymore.
And I came to hate the fact that Cameron turned the xeno into a space bug that screeches like a bird.
Aliens is...okay.
Quote from: Huggs on May 25, 2019, 01:07:50 AM
Aliens is...okay.
Aliens is okay???(https://media.giphy.com/media/d31wSIKuWkFf6Fjy/giphy.gif)
Quote from: Baron Von Marlon on May 25, 2019, 01:06:00 AM
The comment section on Bloody Disgusting about Ridley's interview is filled with the usual typical reactions:
"Ridley sucks. I want Blomkamp. I want Ripley. It's all Scott's fault." and a few like me who appreciate the prequels and new direction they took
I've heard this story before...it went like this 27 years ago...
Fincher sucks balls! I want Cameron! I want Newt and Hicks! I want more Colonial Marines!
Let me see if I can fix that up a bit.
Quote from: 0321recon on May 25, 2019, 03:13:48 AM
Quote from: Baron Von Marlon on May 25, 2019, 01:06:00 AM
The comment section on Bloody Disgusting about Ridley's interview is filled with the usual typical reactions:
"Ridley sucks. I want Blomkamp. I want Ripley. It's all Scott's fault." and a few like me who appreciate the prequels and new direction they took
I've heard this story before...it went like this 2 days ago...
Cameron sucks! I want more Fincher! Newt and Hicks should stay dead! No more Colonial Marines!
There we go.
Quote from: Huggs on May 25, 2019, 03:33:44 AM
Let me see if I can fix that up a bit.
Quote from: 0321recon on May 25, 2019, 03:13:48 AM
Quote from: Baron Von Marlon on May 25, 2019, 01:06:00 AM
The comment section on Bloody Disgusting about Ridley's interview is filled with the usual typical reactions:
"Ridley sucks. I want Blomkamp. I want Ripley. It's all Scott's fault." and a few like me who appreciate the prequels and new direction they took
I've heard this story before...it went like this 2 days ago...
Cameron sucks! I want more Fincher! Newt and Hicks should stay dead! No more Colonial Marines!
There we go.
;D :D :laugh:
It's always someone's fault, and the Alien fandom is always wrong, it's either: "Neill Blomkamp would've done it better more Ripley Hicks and Newt", "the Prequels are good shut up" or "Alien is just a slasher, the intellectual stuff is inappropriate."
And every time it's usually some hyperbole along these lines, that completely ignore the nuance of the situation and the first three films.
For example it's not "Prometheus' bad."
It's "Prometheus' bad, but good idea."
Quote from: The Old One on May 25, 2019, 04:23:35 AM
For example it's not "Prometheus' bad."
It's "Prometheus' bad, but good idea."
For me it's "Prometheus idea bad, execution meh."
Quote from: The Old One on May 25, 2019, 04:23:35 AM
It's always someone's fault, and the Alien fandom is always wrong, it's either: "Neill Blomkamp would've done it better more Ripley Hicks and Newt", "the Prequels are good shut up" or "Alien is just a slasher, the intellectual stuff is inappropriate."
And every time it's usually some hyperbole along these lines, that completely ignore the nuance of the situation and the first three films.
For example it's not "Prometheus' bad."
It's "Prometheus' bad, but good idea."
And the irony if you go to the Terminator forums this is exactly happening with Dark Fate. With just the teaser, I'm reading...Cameron is spent, even if he's producer this sucks, the story is flat, bad cgi, we have seen this before...can't they do something new...oh lord. :laugh: :laugh:
By Prometheus' idea I mean:
Going on a mission funded by an eccentric multi-billionaire Capitalist to find God, but finding an/several old God(s) instead/
Mountains of Madness in the Alien universe. With a Pathogen that generates new horrors based upon circumstances of infection. + Philosophical pondering on the meaning of life in the face of such abject horror.
Just Fyi.
It's a superb idea, executed horrendously.
My statement stands.
Variety and the Hollywood Reporter confirm that the third prequel is still in development, with Scott planning to direct:
https://variety.com/2019/film/news/alien-40-anniverary-ridley-scott-1203223989/
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/alien-ridley-scott-reveals-how-iconic-scene-went-wrong-1213109
Quote from: Kane's other son on May 25, 2019, 07:19:24 AM
Variety and the Hollywood Reporter confirm that the third prequel is still in development, with Scott planning to direct:
https://variety.com/2019/film/news/alien-40-anniverary-ridley-scott-1203223989/
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/box-office-avengers-endgame-faces-uphill-battle-catch-all-time-avatar-record-1212784
From your first link:
A third prequel, which he will direct, is in the script phase.I'm not sure how your second link applies.
Nice to see it's still alive. Though my hopes for a good script aren't high...
Quote from: Baron Von Marlon on May 25, 2019, 01:06:00 AM
Quote from: Xenomrph on May 24, 2019, 11:05:18 PM
Did you read 'Aliens: Labyrinth'? It is real good, and very, very different.
Just done browsing through it online.
As an Alien(s) story, I don't like it that much. Mainly because the new characteristics of the xenos.
But I could see it working as something original with a different creature.
Wait, so the problem is that the Alien is "played out" and you don't want to see stories that just have "Aliens vs humans"... you're presented with a story that isn't just Aliens vs humans and does new and interesting things with the Alien creature and takes it in unexpected places.... but you didn't like it because it had "new characteristics"?
I think you need to clarify your position a bit, because either I don't know what you want, or
you don't know what you want. :P
Quote from: SiL on May 25, 2019, 04:32:05 AM
Quote from: The Old One on May 25, 2019, 04:23:35 AM
For example it's not "Prometheus' bad."
It's "Prometheus' bad, but good idea."
For me it's "Prometheus idea bad, execution meh."
I think Prometheus has neat ideas, and the execution of those particular ideas is good, but the whole thing is dragged down by being saddled to the Alien franchise.
Quote from: Kane's other son on May 25, 2019, 07:19:24 AM
Variety and the Hollywood Reporter confirm that the third prequel is still in development, with Scott planning to direct:
https://variety.com/2019/film/news/alien-40-anniverary-ridley-scott-1203223989/
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/box-office-avengers-endgame-faces-uphill-battle-catch-all-time-avatar-record-1212784
Huh, that's pretty big news if true. Any ideas how legitimate it is?
Quote from: Evanus on May 25, 2019, 05:26:05 PM
Quote from: Kane's other son on May 25, 2019, 07:19:24 AM
Variety and the Hollywood Reporter confirm that the third prequel is still in development, with Scott planning to direct:
https://variety.com/2019/film/news/alien-40-anniverary-ridley-scott-1203223989/
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/box-office-avengers-endgame-faces-uphill-battle-catch-all-time-avatar-record-1212784
Huh, that's pretty big news if true. Any ideas how legitimate it is?
Is script phase big news? It doesn't mean any of it will be greenlit. Now that would be big news.
True I guess, I'm just starved of new info haha.
We all are.
It would have been nice to hear Ridley's own words on it versus the journalist just saying: A third prequel, which he will direct, is in the script phase.
Did Ridley say, we're trying to crack the story? We're doing rewrites right now? We're almost done writing it? We will begin writing it soon? We have to find the perfect story?
How vague or precise was he?
It would be nice to know.
Variety, Hollywood Reporter, and Deadline are the most reputable sources for film news...
They are. Very. Did they report something else?
Quote from: Xenomrph on May 25, 2019, 04:44:14 PM
Wait, so the problem is that the Alien is "played out" and you don't want to see stories that just have "Aliens vs humans"... you're presented with a story that isn't just Aliens vs humans and does new and interesting things with the Alien creature and takes it in unexpected places.... but you didn't like it because it had "new characteristics"?
I think you need to clarify your position a bit, because either I don't know what you want, or you don't know what you want. :P
I didn't find the new things they did interesting. And the story was so and so. Just because there's a twist doesn't make it goed imo.
And it seems like something that could've been done with another creature.
If I saw this in movie format, I'd think they took the script from another movie and swapped creatures to appeal to a larger audience. I don't like that. I prefer a good rip-off over an average sequel/reboot/new part in a series.
What I'd like are new creatures instead of adding things to something that's perfect. New creatures, new behaviour, new unknown horrors,...
Besides a new and final prequel, I don't feel the need for any more "Alien" movies.
Fair enough, to each their own. :)
We've known they've been trying to work on the direction for a while, but I think this is the first we've heard claimed it's actually being written.
And honestly...I'm not really aboard considering he's back on that old "the Alien is done" bandwagon. The Alien isn't the problem. The writing is.
Agreed and if I may be so bold, correct.
Just like Prometheus applying to the Alien Universe or Prometheus in general, the writing is the key element that either means it works or it doesn't work.
Prometheus didn't work because of the writing,
Alien worked in major part because of the writing, all the other aspects are important yes, but if the writing doesn't work- everything else is for nothing.
As such is Prometheus' case.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 27, 2019, 08:30:03 AM
We've known they've been trying to work on the direction for a while, but I think this is the first we've heard claimed it's actually being written.
And honestly...I'm not really aboard considering he's back on that old "the Alien is done" bandwagon. The Alien isn't the problem. The writing is.
I think he is only saying that Alien and cat and mouse chase is not his primary focus any longer. He just wants to continue with his bigger themes in Alien universe. There will be aliens but not for the sake of aliens, more like a plot device of sort. Thats just my opinion.
Quote from: Enoch on May 27, 2019, 01:50:34 PM
I think he is only saying that Alien and cat and mouse chase is not his primary focus any longer.
It would be nice, but I don't think that's what Riddles is saying.
Quote from: Enoch on May 27, 2019, 01:50:34 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 27, 2019, 08:30:03 AM
We've known they've been trying to work on the direction for a while, but I think this is the first we've heard claimed it's actually being written.
And honestly...I'm not really aboard considering he's back on that old "the Alien is done" bandwagon. The Alien isn't the problem. The writing is.
I think he is only saying that Alien and cat and mouse chase is not his primary focus any longer. He just wants to continue with his bigger themes in Alien universe. There will be aliens but not for the sake of aliens, more like a plot device of sort. Thats just my opinion.
If Alien Covenant is any indication, Alien fans aren't in for a good time if he continues making Alien prequels.
Quote from: Enoch on May 27, 2019, 01:50:34 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 27, 2019, 08:30:03 AM
We've known they've been trying to work on the direction for a while, but I think this is the first we've heard claimed it's actually being written.
And honestly...I'm not really aboard considering he's back on that old "the Alien is done" bandwagon. The Alien isn't the problem. The writing is.
I think he is only saying that Alien and cat and mouse chase is not his primary focus any longer. He just wants to continue with his bigger themes in Alien universe. There will be aliens but not for the sake of aliens, more like a plot device of sort. Thats just my opinion.
I wish that's what he means. Greater themes? I'm on board, the cat and mouse thing is not necessary. Explore something new, but with the Alien.
As most here know. It's not the beast, it's the writing...
And how the beast is handled.
I feel like the Neomorphs were done better than the Xenomorphs in Covenant, maybe because they felt fresh to Ridley.
Quote from: Evanus on May 27, 2019, 04:58:30 PM
And how the beast is handled.
I feel like the Neomorphs were done better than the Xenomorphs in Covenant, maybe because they felt fresh to Ridley.
Agreed. the Xeno was an afterthought. If they had just kept the Neos. We'd be golden. Though, it was Fox dictate to shove the Xeno for the hell of it.
I cross my fingers if they're actually drafting a script, I hope its someone who adores the franchise and is keen of the issues the community has with Covenant, and they just fix it and move on. Though, it would all hinge that studio execs are not meddling and telling them to add x and y to get greenlit like it occurred in Covenant.
I kinda want a final prequel just so that Ridley can't get it out of his system, we can be either entertained or pissed off, and then someone else can have a go.
Quote from: Stitch on May 27, 2019, 06:49:23 PM
I kinda want a final prequel just so that Ridley can't get it out of his system, we can be either entertained or pissed off, and then someone else can have a go.
Same here, let him do whatever ideas that got shut down on Covenant. Even if messy, at least shoot that final load and move on. Then, someone else can come in and move the franchise forward.
At least it will be a pretty looking film. :laugh:
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Agreed. the Xeno was an afterthought. If they had just kept the Neos. We'd be golden. Though, it was Fox dictate to shove the Xeno for the hell of it.
IF they had just kept the Neo, people would be complaining about 'why didn't they just put xenomorphs in the film?'
Quote from: SM on May 27, 2019, 08:21:10 PM
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Agreed. the Xeno was an afterthought. If they had just kept the Neos. We'd be golden. Though, it was Fox dictate to shove the Xeno for the hell of it.
If they had just kept the Neo, people would be complaining about 'why didn't they just put xenomorphs in the film?'
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: Oh I know people would complain. Though, the answer to them if they had taken this route...people were heading in that path. Were showing the steps to its evolution. Don't worry. You'll see the Xeno sooner or later in the later films. The only tidbit would have been what we saw at the end of Covenant, with the minature facehugger being stored in the embryo cryo bins.
I suppose "mini face huggers" is right in step with "mini Big Chaps" that emerge from their host fully formed in miniature.
Since it might be his last (Alien) movie, I hope Ridley goes crazy in a good way.
Sticking to his vision, going a little over budget when the shooting's nearly done. Which later turns out to be on purpose so he could do a director's cut.
Or some "reshoots". Which turn out to be extra scenes for the director's cut.
i'll never understand why ridley is such a company stooge. the minute they told him what to do he should've said, "i made gladiator, piss off."
the guy made two of the greatest sci-fi films of all-time, alien, blade runner.
the guy can do scifi
despite its flaws, prometheus is my favorite scifi universe of all-time.
honestly he could just pretend covenant was shaw's bad dream or something.
david is a great character.
but you don't let the replicant win.
let the human win.
what do i know. i hate hollywood and don't pay for movies anymore. it's all the same.
the only "lamestream" guy trying new things has a hard-on for hating christians (ari aster)
i hope hollywood goes down in a ball of flames
i'm interested in terrence mallick's film, but i can't go to cannes when i want quality.
in past decades, there was always something decent coming out every few weeks
how many truly GREAT movies get made now
disney is part of the problem
but they can't be so dumb to get in ridley's way
the guy made BLADE RUNNER
ok!?
Quotei'll never understand why ridley is such a company stooge.
Compromising to work within the studio system doesn't make you a stooge.
And many people made Blade Runner, same as how many people made Alien.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 27, 2019, 08:30:03 AM
We've known they've been trying to work on the direction for a while, but I think this is the first we've heard claimed it's actually being written.
And honestly...I'm not really aboard considering he's back on that old "the Alien is done" bandwagon. The Alien isn't the problem. The writing is.
And I've wondered who's writing the thing. Young guns, again?
Quote from: FenGiddel on May 28, 2019, 02:47:57 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 27, 2019, 08:30:03 AM
We've known they've been trying to work on the direction for a while, but I think this is the first we've heard claimed it's actually being written.
And honestly...I'm not really aboard considering he's back on that old "the Alien is done" bandwagon. The Alien isn't the problem. The writing is.
And I've wondered who's writing the thing. Young guns, again?
I'd love to see Craig Zahler (Bone Tomahawk, Brawl In Cell Block 99) give it a try. Perhaps combined with someone else for crazy sci-fi stuff. And Ridley can edit the whole thing.
Quote from: question11 on May 28, 2019, 02:27:16 AM
i'll never understand why ridley is such a company stooge. the minute they told him what to do he should've said, "i made gladiator, piss off."
the guy made two of the greatest sci-fi films of all-time, alien, blade runner.
the guy can do scifi
despite its flaws, prometheus is my favorite scifi universe of all-time.
honestly he could just pretend covenant was shaw's bad dream or something.
david is a great character.
but you don't let the replicant win.
let the human win.
what do i know. i hate hollywood and don't pay for movies anymore. it's all the same.
the only "lamestream" guy trying new things has a hard-on for hating christians (ari aster)
i hope hollywood goes down in a ball of flames
i'm interested in terrence mallick's film, but i can't go to cannes when i want quality.
in past decades, there was always something decent coming out every few weeks
how many truly GREAT movies get made now
disney is part of the problem
but they can't be so dumb to get in ridley's way
the guy made BLADE RUNNER
ok!?
I have to agree with you, I think most would agree that Disney should just toss Covenant, and pull a Terminator Dark Fate. Have the final film, just be 2 and half or three hour Prometheus 2 with Shaw finding the engineers though not liking the answers she finds, and both she and David try to escape though ending tragically to keep that nihilistic tone of the Alien universe. Then, after that, let someone else take over the franchise post Alien 3. However, I doubt they'll do that.
No way Ridley would ever throw what Covenant did aside, he loves having David kill main characters way too much. Its either a Covenant sequel bitchslaping aliens to the side while romanticizing David's gains or nothing at all.
And why not? Fassbender's performance and the character of David has been one of the few things that's gotten praise across both films. The only fault they've really made was putting Covenant under the Alien moniker. The prequels should be related, but not directly, like originally planned.
Quote from: PsyKore on May 28, 2019, 04:26:29 AM
And why not? Fassbender's performance and the character of David has been one of the few things that's gotten praise across both films. The only fault they've really made was putting Covenant under the Alien moniker. The prequels should be related, but not directly, like originally planned.
Exactly. Had they not added the Xeno and Alien moniker, sold Covenant as
'Paradise' as they should had, we'd be ok, and perhaps
Awakening would have already come out a few weeks back going by the info that Scott was planning to shoot the thrid film in the fall of 2017 when everything went to s#$%. after Covenant's misfire in the B.O.
I'd say if Scott does end up shooting the third film, have it titled to something else without the Alien moniker, and with Covenant, just do an Edge of Tomorrow were its title was changed for the video release.
Quote from: question11 on May 28, 2019, 02:27:16 AM
i'll never understand why ridley is such a company stooge.
Because it's company money. Not Ridley. If Ridley wants to invest $100-200 millions from his own wallet - no problem.
Quote from: question11 on May 28, 2019, 02:27:16 AM
honestly he could just pretend covenant was shaw's bad dream or something.
Good idea, but after Prometheus 2 we have to get Aliens 2 from Blomkamp. Why not? Fair enough, if cryo-nightmare will work as a plot twist. Or we can get Alien 2 instead Aliens, because aliens is cry-nightmare of Ripley in Narcissus. :) May be all alien franchise is cryo-nightmare of Space Jockey. :o
I'm not the biggest fan of Covenant, but simply retconning it seems lazy and messy. Just make a good sequel, and if needed, make the necessary changes to the story. As long as it's executed well. I'm sure it's doable 8)
Quote from: The Old One on May 28, 2019, 08:40:00 AM
Elizabeth Shaw is a poor character, glad she's gone. (Poor Noomi Rapace deserved a nuanced character.) I only see the character romanticised now because the next film came out and Daniels made Shaw look interesting by comparison. Despite the fact that in terms of characterisation, Daniels is a simpler but more solid and consistent character.
Yeah.... umm.......
no.
:)
Quote from: Evanus on May 28, 2019, 02:03:48 PMJust make a good sequel, and if needed, make the necessary changes to the story. As long as it's executed well. I'm sure it's doable 8)
Agreed. They need a great writer to tie all the hanging threads from Prometheus and Covenant, and if done well...I'm a happy camper. Though, it all depends on Disney not meddling in the project.
Quote from: The Old One on May 28, 2019, 02:07:26 PM
Um, yeah.
Elizabeth Shaw's character is as thin as paper.
Ummm... errr...
no.
Daniels was as interesting as paper. ;)
Question, speaking of thin characters, ask yourself there sis. How thick was Ripley's character in the first Alien?
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QuoteI'd love to. You know, I just absolutely love working with Ridley. And it was a real moment for me, when I stepped on the set on Prometheus and got to work with him...and yeah, I love the character. It's a lot of fun.
https://www.badtaste.it/video/excl-alien-michael-fassbender-sul-possibile-ritorno-nel-sequel-di-covenant/373859/
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on May 28, 2019, 02:12:29 PM
How thick was Ripley's character in the first Alien?
THICC?
Quote from: Samhain13 on May 28, 2019, 02:19:28 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on May 28, 2019, 02:12:29 PM
How thick was Ripley's character in the first Alien?
THICC?
:laugh: No, not that type of thick.
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on May 28, 2019, 02:16:00 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on May 28, 2019, 02:12:29 PM
Quote from: The Old One on May 28, 2019, 02:07:26 PM
Um, yeah.
Elizabeth Shaw's character is as thin as paper.
Daniels was as interesting as paper. ;)
Question, speaking of thin characters, ask yourself there sis. How thick was Ripley's character in the first Alien?
Both characters are boring, so ::)
Ummm... errr... no.
How about her baby? Is her baby boring? ;D
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Ripley's character is consistent and believable, even in the first film. Elizabeth Shaw isn't, point is- it's no great loss as if it's a great character. The greatest loss is Noomi Rapace as an actress for a good Alienverse film.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on May 28, 2019, 02:12:29 PM
Quote from: The Old One on May 28, 2019, 02:07:26 PM
Um, yeah.
Elizabeth Shaw's character is as thin as paper.
Ummm... errr... no.
Daniels was as interesting as paper. ;)
Question, speaking of thin characters, ask yourself there sis. How thick was Ripley's character in the first Alien?
Great insight. In Alien she was an unknown with thin characteristics it was Aliens and Alien3 were saw her evolve and grow as a person and hero we all love.
Looking back, perhaps that was one of the few good things that Prometheus did, build her character. Hence some like me felt a gut punch when I saw her dissected.
Though, with discount Ripley (Daniels) like I mentioned before in this thread. Didn't care for her and even smiled when David revealed himself to her in the end. If she suffers the same fate as Shaw in the final film, like I mentioned before...sucks being you. :laugh: ;D
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on May 28, 2019, 02:12:29 PM
Quote from: The Old One on May 28, 2019, 02:07:26 PM
Um, yeah.
Elizabeth Shaw's character is as thin as paper.
Ummm... errr... no.
Daniels was as interesting as paper. ;)
Question, speaking of thin characters, ask yourself there sis. How thick was Ripley's character in the first Alien?
.
Both characters sucks and both are annoying, by ut Shaw is better written.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on May 28, 2019, 02:20:35 PM
Quote from: Samhain13 on May 28, 2019, 02:19:28 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on May 28, 2019, 02:12:29 PM
How thick was Ripley's character in the first Alien?
THICC?
:laugh: No, not that type of thick.
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on May 28, 2019, 02:16:00 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on May 28, 2019, 02:12:29 PM
Quote from: The Old One on May 28, 2019, 02:07:26 PM
Um, yeah.
Elizabeth Shaw's character is as thin as paper.
Daniels was as interesting as paper. ;)
Question, speaking of thin characters, ask yourself there sis. How thick was Ripley's character in the first Alien?
Both characters are boring, so ::)
Ummm... errr... no.
How about her baby? Is her baby boring? ;D
https://hips.hearstapps.com/digitalspyuk.cdnds.net/18/29/1531833988-prometheus-elizabeth-shaw-noomi-rapace-creature-abortion.gif?resize=480:*
Ok, you win 8) that scene is as intense and well made as the birth of the neomorphs in Covenant, and it was thanks to all the artists who worked on the secuence, including Rapace 🤟
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on May 28, 2019, 02:12:29 PM
How thick was Ripley's character in the first Alien?
Like cardboard?
Quote from: Drukathi on May 28, 2019, 02:41:58 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on May 28, 2019, 02:12:29 PM
How thick was Ripley's character in the first Alien?
Like cardboard?
The only thick gurl of the franchise is the lady from Resurrection. Well, maybe Rosental as well. However, Vickers and Noomi Rapace are gorgeous, both in their own style.
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on May 28, 2019, 03:31:02 PM
Quote from: Drukathi on May 28, 2019, 02:41:58 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on May 28, 2019, 02:12:29 PM
How thick was Ripley's character in the first Alien?
Like cardboard?
The only thick gurl of the franchise is the lady from Resurrection. Well, maybe Rosental as well. However, Vickers and Noomi Rapace are gorgeous, both in their own style.
Amen to that!
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on May 28, 2019, 03:31:02 PM
Well, maybe Rosental as well.
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Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on May 28, 2019, 03:31:02 PM
Vickers and Noomi Rapace are gorgeous, both in their own style.
Yeah. I liked Vickers cold style, and Shaw is my favorite main character in Alien Universe.
Vickers style probably contributed to David's misanthropy. Too bad he took it out on Shaw.
David's pretty thicc as well man. Look at that ass:
(https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-XP_1VjckMLk/WTXGgtwsU8I/AAAAAAADVwc/SR5VAYhAtnAv5eKFG4noReyGGUEi6oztwCLcB/s1600/alien%2Bcovenant%2Bbehind%2Bscenes%2Bfassbender.png)
:o
For an android.
Take it to the Rec' board, folk.
Preferably further.
Quote from: Evanus on May 28, 2019, 04:01:09 PM
David's pretty thicc as well man. Look at that ass:
(https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-XP_1VjckMLk/WTXGgtwsU8I/AAAAAAADVwc/SR5VAYhAtnAv5eKFG4noReyGGUEi6oztwCLcB/s1600/alien%2Bcovenant%2Bbehind%2Bscenes%2Bfassbender.png)
:o
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: tap dat android ass.
Well i for 1 cant wait for the new film. We finally get to see the engineers in action.... I hope
I just want a good story.
Preferably something that stands on it's own whilist also wrapping up the storyline.
Actively create ambiguity surrounding whether David created the Alien, imply larger Lovecraftian stuff at work or outright use the idea David didn't create the Alien for the catalyst of the story.
Otherwise? Just create a good story and a protagonist to care about.
Quote from: The Old One on May 28, 2019, 09:57:38 PM
Actively create ambiguity surrounding whether David created the Alien, imply larger Lovecraftian stuff at work or outright use the idea David didn't create the Alien for the catalyst of the story.
It sounds like pandering to the fans again. Why not leave things the ways they are instead of going back on them, and move on to another subject?
Because if they don't go back on it, a lot of people will remain disinterested, your merchandise whales for instance.
They have good reason to go back on it, regardless of my opinion on it.
Of course, the prequels could really be taking place in an alternate universe...
Well it ain't our universe, so yes. Yes, it is. ;D
Where Weylan-Yutani Aspen is made of Planet 4 wheat. ;)
Quote from: Baron Von Marlon on May 28, 2019, 11:29:07 PM
Quote from: The Old One on May 28, 2019, 09:57:38 PM
Actively create ambiguity surrounding whether David created the Alien, imply larger Lovecraftian stuff at work or outright use the idea David didn't create the Alien for the catalyst of the story.
It sounds like pandering to the fans again. Why not leave things the ways they are instead of going back on them, and move on to another subject?
Because what they did was actively retarded (and even a lot of non-fans disregarded it) and undermined some of the best and scariest thematic elements from 'Alien', and walking it back is a really good idea.
Quote from: FenGiddel on May 29, 2019, 01:23:06 AM
Where Weylan-Yutani Aspen is made of Planet 4 wheat. ;)
I can dig it.
Quote from: The Old One on May 29, 2019, 12:04:32 AM
Because if they don't go back on it, a lot of people will remain disinterested, your merchandise whales for instance.
They have good reason to go back on it, regardless of my opinion on it.
Didn't know you speak for a lot of people.
Right now, from what I've read at least, those interested in part 3 are mainly curious to what David will do with the colonists and/or are hoping for Engineer action. They seemed to make peace with the fact that David's the creator.
Quote from: Baron Von Marlon on May 29, 2019, 01:41:22 AM
They seemed to make peace with the fact that David's the creator.
Far from it, if other threads on the topic are any indication. :)
Quote from: Baron Von Marlon on May 29, 2019, 01:41:22 AM
They seemed to make peace with the fact that David's the creator.
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Quote from: Baron Von Marlon on May 29, 2019, 01:41:22 AM
They seemed to make peace with the fact that David's the creator.
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Just push it down and pretend it didn't happen, like the Star Wars prequels and TLJ, or the time I called my second year History teacher 'mum' by accident.
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Quote from: Baron Von Marlon on May 29, 2019, 01:41:22 AM
Quote from: The Old One on May 29, 2019, 12:04:32 AM
Because if they don't go back on it, a lot of people will remain disinterested, your merchandise whales for instance.
They have good reason to go back on it, regardless of my opinion on it.
Didn't know you speak for a lot of people.
Right now, from what I've read at least, those interested in part 3 are mainly curious to what David will do with the colonists and/or are hoping for Engineer action. They seemed to make peace with the fact that David's the creator.
I want to see where a third prequel will go. I still don't like the concept that David is the creator.
I don't like the idea that David's the creator.
Although I do think it had some merit, and various video essayists have expressed that quite throughrally with the Frankenstein parallels and all. I personally think it's a little backwards that the repressed bisexual creates a murder/rape monster. Not intentionally offensive but just a little tone deaf, I think it works in Covenant but doesn't for the world of Alien as a whole.
A Ridley Scott & James Cameron co-production prequel to Alien? Now that I can get into.
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Why does part of me want neither Ridley Scott nor James Cameron involved anymore.
Because it doesn't matter who comes back to a franchise. If neither has been very impressive with their films as of late it's safe to say that just because they were involved with earlier installments, it doesn't mean they can fix what others have done with the franchise regardless of what they say. At the end of the day I think new blood will ultimately fix the franchise or at least get it headed back in the right direction. Sometimes it just takes a franchise being dormant for a couple years for it to be good and fresh again, there are just so many variables that at the end of the day only Good Writing, Time, and the pouring of somone's heart and soul will actually make something good. Or at least that's what I've always believed in.
David is a great character, it's not so much backwards that his sexual repression was the crux of the creature's purpose; it's more that it's a perverted mockery of the human reproductive process, but something that can be seen as beautiful at the same time, at least to an A.I. It works in the larger context of the Alien universe when you consider how the synths have admired the creature, even Bishop remarked on its "magnificence" - while virtually every human character is repulsed by the beast. It adds an extra dimension to an otherwise well executed but age-old strange monster from outer space tale.
It's not worth what it undoes.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on May 30, 2019, 07:24:15 PM
Why does part of me want neither Ridley Scott nor James Cameron involved anymore.
Me too.
Quote from: The Old One on May 31, 2019, 11:14:34 AM
It's not worth what it undoes.
This. This right here.
Subjective, really. IMO it's still a bit problematic, but I appreciate the ideas behind it. Necro explained it perfectly
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on May 31, 2019, 12:32:34 PM
Quote from: The Old One on May 31, 2019, 11:14:34 AM
It's not worth what it undoes.
Very, very well said.
Yup, and it is remarkable the fact that some fans (like Necro) put more thought on the prequels, that the filmmakers :laugh: but that's not bad at all. I love reading and learning from you guys. But it's funny when the fan is doing the work of the filmmaker ;D
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Jun 01, 2019, 02:24:44 PM
Yup, and it is remarkable the fact that some fans (like Necro) put more thought on the prequels, that the filmmakers :laugh: but that's not bad at all. I love reading and learning from you guys. But it's funny when the fan is doing the work of the filmmaker ;D
I think without lazy writing and plot holes fans' theorizing about things wouldn't be as half as interesting. Magic egg in Alien 3, for instance.
Nah, plot holes rules.
When fans need to come up with theory explanations to make a movie work it means the writers suck at their job.
Quote from: Samhain13 on Jun 01, 2019, 05:10:42 PM
When fans need to come up with theory explanations to make a movie work it means the writers suck at their job.
That's true.
Indeed.
Spoiler
& The aforementioned is not a plothole.
As for creativity or discussion, see the Witcher or a myriad of other franchises that are fun to discuss without having plotholes abound.
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Jun 01, 2019, 02:24:44 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on May 31, 2019, 12:32:34 PM
Quote from: The Old One on May 31, 2019, 11:14:34 AM
It's not worth what it undoes.
Very, very well said.
Yup, and it is remarkable the fact that some fans (like Necro) put more thought on the prequels, that the filmmakers :laugh: but that's not bad at all. I love reading and learning from you guys. But it's funny when the fan is doing the work of the filmmaker ;D
How did he put more thought into it than the filmmakers? He just made a good analysis.. of what the filmmakers intended.
I doubt you'll find many agree upon what exactly the filmmakers intended, which is part of the issue in this particular case.
Sometimes headcanon is required for damage control.
Too long I know, but there are interesting points about film criticism.
Just Write has some excellent videos, this isn't one of them-
even if I agreed it's all over the show.
Who would people say are the absolute top-quality writers that Scott has worked with in his career?
David Giler, Walter Hill, David Webb Peoples, Hampton Fancher, William Nicholson, Michael Green and John Logan.
William Monahan (Kingdom of Heaven), Drew Goddard (The Martian).
Definitely.
I'd be looking into drafting Drew Goddard in addition into keeping John Logan to draft that final script.
Goddard brought levity and built a good set of characters in The Martian. He can bring that to this film. Seeing what happened in Covenant, and if this truly leads to Alien, we'll need both when everything goes bad towards the end, and each character gets killed off either by David, the xenos, or the Engineers, we'll feel for the characters.
Totally agreed, it's something the previous three mainline Alien films lacked dearly.
Quote from: The Old One on Jun 03, 2019, 02:25:05 PM
Totally agreed, it's something the previous three mainline Alien films lacked dearly.
How I imagine the ending occurring if the characters are properly written, it would look a la Rogue One in the context on how each character dies off - heroically trying to stop the Xenos, David, and the Engineers (unless they've turned and are helping the humans to stop David). I think doing that would redeem the prequels.
Quote from: 0321recon on Jun 03, 2019, 02:48:35 PM
[...]...doing that would redeem the prequels.
That's a tall bill to fill, but I get ya!
Quote from: 0321recon on Jun 03, 2019, 02:48:35 PM
How I imagine the ending occurring if the characters are properly written, it would look a la Rogue One in the context on how each character dies off - heroically trying to stop the Xenos, David, and the Engineers (unless they've turned and are helping the humans to stop David). I think doing that would redeem the prequels.
Ha, that smells as human-Engineer team up!
Please, no.
Otherwise yes, I totally agree Recon.
I dunno. I wouldn't mind if they didnt make another prequel tbh.
I just have a feeling that under Disney they would be more willing to reboot the entire thing than they would to continue it on its current trajectory.
They know the bellcows were the first two movies, they will formulate scripts based on those two.
Part of me does want to see if they can tidy the mess they made up, but part of me is willing to pop smoke and move on without much regret.
Quote from: Necronomicon II on May 31, 2019, 08:26:25 AM
David is a great character, it's not so much backwards that his sexual repression was the crux of the creature's purpose; it's more that it's a perverted mockery of the human reproductive process, but something that can be seen as beautiful at the same time, at least to an A.I. It works in the larger context of the Alien universe when you consider how the synths have admired the creature, even Bishop remarked on its "magnificence" - while virtually every human character is repulsed by the beast. It adds an extra dimension to an otherwise well executed but age-old strange monster from outer space tale.
Agreed.
Quote from: The Old One on May 31, 2019, 11:14:34 AM
It's not worth what it undoes.
Not agreed.
It's worth it for Fassbender's juice mmm
The prequels just have bad corny writing and characterisation in a lot of places but the general direction perversely fits and widens the 'Alien' story and the gravitas that Ridley has brought particularly through David is thought out, well considered and I believe overall will prove to serve the franchise well as time shall show. As artworks with their tones and symbolism it's trying to expand the universe and although they fail badly in places, all I can hope ultimately is they justify the ambiguity and capatilise fully on their vision in the (at the very least, last) next prequel
Quote from: Necronomicon II on May 31, 2019, 08:26:25 AM
David is a great character, it's not so much backwards that his sexual repression was the crux of the creature's purpose; it's more that it's a perverted mockery of the human reproductive process, but something that can be seen as beautiful at the same time, at least to an A.I. It works in the larger context of the Alien universe when you consider how the synths have admired the creature, even Bishop remarked on its "magnificence" - while virtually every human character is repulsed by the beast. It adds an extra dimension to an otherwise well executed but age-old strange monster from outer space tale.
Would it be be too much of a stretch to say that the way David (synths) see the creature (admiration) is the way humans see the synths, but humans are repulsed by the creature (synth's creation), and engineers see humans (or at least did see us) admirably, but are repulsed by synths (our creation) :-\?.
Considering the Engineers wanted to wipe us out 2000 years before we created synths, it may be too much of a stretch.
Quote from: SM on Jun 09, 2019, 02:21:12 AM
Considering the Engineers wanted to wipe us out 2000 years before we created synths, it may be too much of a stretch.
I figured they wanted to wipe us out because we didn't like being told what to do, like when the synth industry is crushed because the synths didn't like being told what to do.
I still don't know to what extent any human on earth is aware of the synths connection to the alien, but it seems like most of humanity united against synths (post-Alien 3) due to a rebellion.
QuoteI figured they wanted to wipe us out because we didn't like being told what to do, like when the synth industry is crushed because the synths didn't like being told what to do.
Indeed. Nice link that.
QuoteI still don't know to what extent any human on earth is aware of the synths connection to the alien, but it seems like most of humanity united against synths (post-Alien 3) due to a rebellion.
It'd depend on how seriously anyone took the Advent transmission.
I like to think that the humans never actually find out about the Alien & that David's messages are creepily for the knowledge and benefit of the Weyland Yutani AI. It's also possible that the humans of WY did not redirect the Nostromo at all but was the handy work of David or the WY cpu to maintain the existence of their ' Perfect organism'
Having a "Weyland-Yutani" AI behind it all would seem to take things into different territory than what's depicted in the first film, where it's human greed driving things. AI at that scale might be entering the realm of "The Forbin Project", whose Colossus forced a "larger good" onto its creators.
Quote from: Kimarhi on Jun 05, 2019, 02:53:20 AM
I just have a feeling that under Disney they would be more willing to reboot the entire thing than they would to continue it on its current trajectory.
Under Disney it's all about blockbusters & not movies that make a small profit.
Disney will keep the Alien & Predator properties on hold until someone can convince them that a new film can make plenty of cash.
Quote from: David Weyland on Jun 09, 2019, 01:32:18 AM
The prequels ... the general direction perversely fits and widens the 'Alien' story and the gravitas that Ridley has brought particularly through David is thought out, well considered and I believe overall will prove to serve the franchise well as time shall show. As artworks with their tones and symbolism it's trying to expand the universe ... all I can hope ultimately is they justify the ambiguity and capatilise fully on their vision in the (at the very least, last) next prequel
You are on the right track for those of us who care about the Alien movies as serious science fiction (horror) films.
With references to 2001, Jurassic Park, classic mystery going back to Agatha Christie & classic science fiction going back to Mary Shelly, the prequels connect to the roots of "Alien" & expand on that.
;)
We'll get one more, Ridley Scott will not be denied but beyond that? Who knows.
Quote from: bb-15 on Jun 14, 2019, 05:55:55 PM
Quote from: Kimarhi on Jun 05, 2019, 02:53:20 AM
I just have a feeling that under Disney they would be more willing to reboot the entire thing than they would to continue it on its current trajectory.
Under Disney it's all about blockbusters & not movies that make a small profit.
Disney will keep the Alien & Predator properties on hold until someone can convince them that a new film can make plenty of cash.
Nothing new, but at least it is a recent article (May 24, 2019) and comes from a reliable source.
QuoteA third prequel, which he will direct, is in the script phase.
https://twitter.com/Variety_Film/status/1132176614417002498
Quote from: Erik Lehnsherr on Jun 15, 2019, 04:58:52 PM
We'll get one more, Ridley Scott will not be denied but beyond that? Who knows.
I hope there is another Alien prequel w/ Scott directing.
I just haven't heard/read anything which tells me that Disney will make that happen.
Too bad.
:-[
QuoteA final prequel, which he will direct, is in the script phase.
Quote from: bb-15 on Jun 14, 2019, 05:55:55 PM
Quote from: Kimarhi on Jun 05, 2019, 02:53:20 AM
I just have a feeling that under Disney they would be more willing to reboot the entire thing than they would to continue it on its current trajectory.
Under Disney it's all about blockbusters & not movies that make a small profit.
Disney will keep the Alien & Predator properties on hold until someone can convince them that a new film can make plenty of cash.
Quote from: David Weyland on Jun 09, 2019, 01:32:18 AM
The prequels ... the general direction perversely fits and widens the 'Alien' story and the gravitas that Ridley has brought particularly through David is thought out, well considered and I believe overall will prove to serve the franchise well as time shall show. As artworks with their tones and symbolism it's trying to expand the universe ... all I can hope ultimately is they justify the ambiguity and capatilise fully on their vision in the (at the very least, last) next prequel
You are on the right track for those of us who care about the Alien movies as serious science fiction (horror) films.
With references to 2001, Jurassic Park, classic mystery going back to Agatha Christie & classic science fiction going back to Mary Shelly, the prequels connect to the roots of "Alien" & expand on that.
;)
I wouldn't call Prometheus serious science fiction. Unless looking at cave paintings can somehow translate to navigation coordinates for interstellar objects.
Hmmmm...
Quote from: Kimarhi on Jun 16, 2019, 03:51:59 AM
Quote from: bb-15 on Jun 14, 2019, 05:55:55 PM
Quote from: Kimarhi on Jun 05, 2019, 02:53:20 AM
I just have a feeling that under Disney they would be more willing to reboot the entire thing than they would to continue it on its current trajectory.
Under Disney it's all about blockbusters & not movies that make a small profit.
Disney will keep the Alien & Predator properties on hold until someone can convince them that a new film can make plenty of cash.
Quote from: David Weyland on Jun 09, 2019, 01:32:18 AM
The prequels ... the general direction perversely fits and widens the 'Alien' story and the gravitas that Ridley has brought particularly through David is thought out, well considered and I believe overall will prove to serve the franchise well as time shall show. As artworks with their tones and symbolism it's trying to expand the universe ... all I can hope ultimately is they justify the ambiguity and capatilise fully on their vision in the (at the very least, last) next prequel
You are on the right track for those of us who care about the Alien movies as serious science fiction (horror) films.
With references to 2001, Jurassic Park, classic mystery going back to Agatha Christie & classic science fiction going back to Mary Shelly, the prequels connect to the roots of "Alien" & expand on that.
;)
I wouldn't call Prometheus serious science fiction. Unless looking at cave paintings can somehow translate to navigation coordinates for interstellar objects.
Burn! :laugh:
A serious Pseudo-science fiction film :-X
But: "2 years, 4 months, 18 days, 36 hours, 15 minutes".
16 inches fully erect, varies when it's relaxed.
I'm not sure any of the films in this series qualify as serious scifi. They are scifi monster movies that are a pretty light on the factual science. I think that goes for all the films imo. So i won't hold it against the prequels, i love all these films to one degree or another.
Maybe they're talking about science fiction based on real science (physics, biology, chemistry, astronomy, etc). I know I'm going to sound like a pedant, but Prometheus it is indeed a movie based on fringe science: Pseudoarchaeology. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pseudoarchaeology)
But the Prometheus problem is not that. It's just bad writing since there are stories that deal with similar teams but in a better way; like Lovecraftian fiction.
I never expected hard science fiction anyway, since this kind of story has its feet on the ground and rarely go too far from real science (which is boring sometimes).
Absolutely right.
Quote from: FenGiddel on Jun 16, 2019, 08:43:02 PM
But: "2 years, 4 months, 18 days, 36 hours, 15 minutes".
Pffft, so what?
The Devil is in the detail or God is in the detail,
if you view the sequel as retroactively turning the error into a suggestion of David's "unique" nature.
Quote from: FenGiddel on Jun 16, 2019, 08:43:02 PM
But: "2 years, 4 months, 18 days, 36 hours, 15 minutes".
Waaaaait a minute ... I feel so dumb now :D
;D
I sure hope they end the trilogy and disney does not ruins teh brand as it does with everything that it touches.
Quote from: D88M on Jun 19, 2019, 10:16:19 PM
I sure hope they end the trilogy and disney does not ruins teh brand as it does with everything that it touches.
But they get dem dollas tho
They sure do.