Just based on what you've read of the leaks and the directions they're taking Romulus to bring the Xenomorph back, is it a safe bet to say the Queen could still actually be alive after Ripley sucked it from the airlock and there could be another potential story with wherever it landed or who picked it up? Is there any indication that the Xenomorphs need oxygen to survive and the Queen could be out in space for x-amount of time till she landed on another planet or a moon or another station somewhere?
I imagine she burned up in the atmosphere.
They can survive a fair while in vacuum, but as Hicks indicated, gravity may have something else to say.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 25, 2024, 11:26:27 AMI imagine she burned up in the atmosphere.
Was Sulaco still in LV-426's orbit atm tho ?
Yep. They had literally just arrived back on the ship.
Yeah I can buy tolerating more exposure than humans when it comes to space but to survive it completely and indefinitely, no, it just adds more need to suspend disbelief. They are supposed to be aliens, not supernatural creatures. If something is science fiction, then it should at least make some effort at the science part. The first movie for example is fairly gritty, other than a few things such as maybe how the ship travels and how stasis works etc, most of what you see is within the realm of plausibilty.
Says the guy with the Alien Isolation avi. Tardigrades bro.
Hey, I dislike those legs by the way. Original legs all the way :laugh:
Quote from: The Cruentus on Mar 25, 2024, 01:09:16 PMYeah I can buy tolerating more exposure than humans when it comes to space but to survive it completely and indefinitely, no, it just adds more need to suspend disbelief. They are supposed to be aliens, not supernatural creatures. If something is science fiction, then it should at least make some effort at the science part. The first movie for example is fairly gritty, other than a few things such as maybe how the ship travels and how stasis works etc, most of what you see is within the realm of plausibilty.
Tardigrades can survive in space so it's not totally out of the realm of scifi possibilities. I mean its no more far fetched than antigravity and hypersleep or the rest of the aliens abilities.
Whoops, now I recall, tardigrades are those simple microlife forms, I thought Blue was calling the Isolation legs tardigrades, due to it having grade from digitigrade in it lol
How long can they survive though? and they are simple life-forms. They tend to have some traits that more complicated life-forms don't have.
Dehydrated tardigrades can be revived after exposure to space, but have high mortality awards. Tardigrades that are not dehydrated prior to exposure mostly just die.
These are also very small organisms, at most 1.5mm, with no respiratory system (unlike Aliens, which clearly breathe).
Its just a terrestrial example of the possibility. Like I said its not any more unrealistic than the creatures other attributes or the other scifi trappings of the series.
Yeah, you pretty much hear the breathing and hissing from the Aliens, the queen is snarling a lot when Ripley meets her. If they got lungs then they do need to breath, even if they can hold it far longer than humans.
So Chap surviving space would not make sense at all then ?
Not indefinitely at least.
Holding your breath doesn't help in a vacuum.
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Mar 25, 2024, 01:40:13 PMSo Chap surviving space would not make sense at all then ?
About as much sense as BC surviving outside the Narcissus at all. Or as much sense as the queen screaming in a vacuum.
Humans can survive in space about a few minutes give or take, Big Chap's exposure before being hit by the engines was within that timeframe.
Quote from: 426Buddy on Mar 25, 2024, 01:43:53 PMHolding your breath doesn't help in a vacuum.
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Mar 25, 2024, 01:40:13 PMSo Chap surviving space would not make sense at all then ?
About as much sense as BC surviving outside the Narcissus at all. Or as much sense as the queen screaming in a vacuum.
But if Xenomorphs need to breathe, which they apparently do
Spoiler
Chap being salvaged alive in Romulus is bogus ?
You see them casually moving around the outside of Sevastapol whilst inside the station in Isolation, they do not appear much bothered, it is only brief but the Alien in Covenant also appears largely pretty unperturbed.
They might be able to vocalise, but not need to breathe necessarily, I do not really know honestly.
Anything that needs to breath as we understand it wouldnt be concsious for more than a few seconds.
Holding your breath doesnt matter.
QuoteIn the vacuum of space, gas exchange in the lungs continues but results in the removal of all gases, including oxygen, from the bloodstream. After 9 to 12 seconds, the deoxygenated blood reaches the brain, and it results in the loss of consciousness.
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 25, 2024, 01:50:36 PMYou see them casually moving around the outside of Sevastapol whilst inside the station in Isolation, they do not appear much bothered, it is only brief but the Alien in Covenant also appears largely pretty unperturbed.
They might be able to vocalise, but not need to breathe necessarily, I do not really know honestly.
Yeah those are the parts that do break the immersion for me, I just try to figure it as only short term and they will die eventually.
Well you can see the breath of the Queen in some shots.
If Chap can, the Queen could too, plus she didn't take a blowing reactor to the face.
Depending on how close Sulaco was to LV-426, she would have been pulled by the gravity as others here have said.
Its not nessecarily breathing though. Like Blue said could be using the air to vocalize. May need to expel gas from whatever acidic reactions their insane metabolism creates, maybe not need the actual air itself. We don't know for certain.
But yeah the queen would have died in re-entry.
Romulus will make this all a moot point.
Spoiler
Because
Spoiler
Big Chap
survived.
Aliens really need to watch out for those darn airlocks... I think with movies and games, they have been sucked out at least 5 times.
Yeah I call bs on that. chances of
Spoiler
big chap being found in space is extremely unlikely and it be stupid for the movie as it just too coincidental and convenient for the plot
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 25, 2024, 12:55:53 PMYep. They had literally just arrived back on the ship.
Shouldn't we see planet's surface here then ? I assume airlock should be at the bottom of the ship
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Hey, look:
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Dan O'Bannon imagined some very resilient insectoid creatures in They Bite/Omnivore script. I find it interesting;
Quote from: Alien ExplorationsThe creatures from They Bite would remain hidden from man through recorded history and emerging after 65,000, 000 at a modern day archaeological dig.
(https://i.ibb.co/JnJLy8h/three-leggd-bug-for-They-Bite-from-rocket-blast-comicollector-1.jpg)
▶️ They Bite / Omnivore (https://alienexplorations.blogspot.com/1975/03/they-bite-omnivore.html?m=1)
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 25, 2024, 02:02:36 PMRomulus will make this all a moot point.
Spoiler
Because
Spoiler
Big Chap
survived.
That's what I was thinking regarding the breathing question.
Queen is still floating in the space, waiting for the sequel ;D
Queenie likely perished on re-entry or when she hit the earth. But imagine this.. one colonist survivor of Hadley's Hope steps out, "I am invincible!" And Queen lands on him. :D
Quote from: The Cruentus on Mar 25, 2024, 01:45:17 PMHumans can survive in space about a few minutes give or take, Big Chap's exposure before being hit by the engines was within that timeframe.
Flight back to the Sulaco was in the realm of 50 minutes, a decent chunk of that in vacuum.
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Quote from: 426Buddy on Mar 25, 2024, 10:59:33 PMhttps://i.imgur.com/7MMM1QN.jpg
When you think about it, The Queen is the victim. Ripley toasts her children, and blows her hive to kingdom come.
Self defence, your honour.
She is easily four times the size of Big Chap. Four times easier to locate in space ! I want writing credits on the sequel.
Same comic also gave us elephant man.
Quote from: SM on Mar 25, 2024, 11:05:31 PMSelf defence, your honour.
So defendent, you knowingly trespass into another's territory, "bargain" with the leader by making threats, renege on the bargain by committing infantcide, and then commit multiple murders when others try and stop you! and your plea is self defence!?! I object!
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Mar 25, 2024, 11:06:05 PMShe is easily four times the size of Big Chap. Four times easier to locate in space ! I want writing credits on the sequel.
Call it Alien: Remus. :)
Quote from: The Cruentus on Mar 25, 2024, 11:10:28 PMQuote from: SM on Mar 25, 2024, 11:05:31 PMSelf defence, your honour.
So defendent, you knowingly trespass into another's territory, "bargain" with the leader by making threats, renege on the bargain by committing infantcide, and then commit multiple murders when others try and stop you! and your plea is self defence!?! I object!
The "other" being referred to, was squatting on private property without the appropriate timeframe to claim adverse possession, and furthermore lacked the intellect to realise aforementioned property was going into meltdown despite repeated warnings to evacuate to a, quote, "minimum safe distance", unquote.
Quote from: E. Shaw on Mar 25, 2024, 11:13:49 PMQuote from: BigDaddyJohn on Mar 25, 2024, 11:06:05 PMShe is easily four times the size of Big Chap. Four times easier to locate in space ! I want writing credits on the sequel.
Call it Alien: Remus. :)
Disney doesn't want to go there. Uncle Remus is off-limits.
James Cameron: I will have ship hit her like an iceberg. XD
Zip-A-Dee-Doo-DAARRRRGGHHH!!
Quote from: Local Trouble on Mar 25, 2024, 11:10:09 PMSame comic also gave us elephant man.
I like to think that the Queen is the daughter of the elephant man. :)
Then I realize that everything is a delusion resulting from my anxiety about Fede's movie, with surely is going to blew my mind and change my Alien perspective...
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Maybe, probably? We don't know if Chap is for sure alive or if
Spoiler
"Ash" and the suits have just been dissecting and experimenting on a burnt corpse for 20 years. The leaks seem to interpet him as definitely being alive, but the Instagram reels just show something mangled being carted around.
I'm more curious if they're going to pull an Out of the Shadows and imply that Ripley's shuttle was deliberately sabotaged and led off course.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Mar 25, 2024, 11:51:32 PMQuote from: E. Shaw on Mar 25, 2024, 11:13:49 PMQuote from: BigDaddyJohn on Mar 25, 2024, 11:06:05 PMShe is easily four times the size of Big Chap. Four times easier to locate in space ! I want writing credits on the sequel.
Call it Alien: Remus. :)
Disney doesn't want to go there. Uncle Remus is off-limits.
Disney is evolving...
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Quote from: SM on Mar 25, 2024, 11:05:31 PMSelf defence, your honour.
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I have often wondered if Xenos respond to emotion like Bees. Most people respond with fear to them, which if you do to a Bee it stings.
Well, I see two options. Number one she went into the orbit of LV – 426 and simply burned up in the atmosphere. Number two she's in space. Just floating I don't know What's worse. Either you can just burn up in the atmosphere with a painful death or just float into space and experience, infinite boredom.
Quote from: Thatguy2068 on Mar 26, 2024, 05:02:24 AMWell, I see two options. Number one she went into the orbit of LV – 426 and simply burned up in the atmosphere. Number two she's in space. Just floating I don't know What's worse. Either you can just burn up in the atmosphere with a painful death or just float into space and experience, infinite boredom.
But surly in space she could plot her revenge a long time. XD
"Ripley 8.. I am coming for you!" :D
Quote from: Eal on Mar 26, 2024, 12:32:01 AMMaybe, probably? We don't know if Chap is for sure alive or if Spoiler
"Ash" and the suits have just been dissecting and experimenting on a burnt corpse for 20 years. The leaks seem to interpet him as definitely being alive, but the Instagram reels just show something mangled being carted around.
I'm more curious if they're going to pull an Out of the Shadows and imply that Ripley's shuttle was deliberately sabotaged and led off course.
Alive could also be in a similar manner as a sea sponge and coral are technically 'alive'. Could be a blob of skin and remains of internal organs and still be alive in a technical sense, or maybe it's just regressed into a mass of organic matter.
We don't know enough of the xenomorph's biology to know what it's fully capable of. Maybe he's in survival mode, looking almost dead while being not.
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Mar 26, 2024, 09:46:21 AMWe don't know enough of the xenomorph's biology to know what it's fully capable of. Maybe he's in survival mode, looking almost dead while being not.
We know they're regenerative to some capacity. The novelization of
Alien and script show him being disintegrated and blowing up ala
Alien 3.
When it comes to what we see on film, mostly thanks to limitations of 70s special effects though? He just kind of elegantly floats away and it's shown in repeat.
There's a glaring plot hole in him coming back though. I just now noticed it. No, it's not the vastness of space, oddly enough. I haven't heard this one mentioned so far on this forum.
It's that...in the movie, specifically right after he's blasted away, you hear an audible 'boom'. 1:26 if you don't believe me. No, the 'boom' isn't the engines being turned off, as we can clearly see they're still going...
It undoes whatever justification I and others can come up with too. If he blew up, there's no way he would've actually stayed in the shuttle's relative flight path: He'd be bits and pieces drifting and floating in random areas of deep space.
I always thought the boom was a deliberate reference to the Alien exploding in the script.
Quote from: Thatguy2068 on Mar 26, 2024, 05:02:24 AMWell, I see two options. Number one she went into the orbit of LV – 426 and simply burned up in the atmosphere. Number two she's in space. Just floating I don't know What's worse. Either you can just burn up in the atmosphere with a painful death or just float into space and experience, infinite boredom.
Or she got pulled into the gas giant.
This is really dumb but... everytime i read the title of this thread I hear it on this guys voice.
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He was supposed to explode, and the sound is him exploding, but since we don't see it Fede has the same free reign Cameron did with the Queen.
Except Big Chap coming back is layers of stupid.
Quote from: SM on Mar 26, 2024, 12:17:09 PMI always thought the boom was a deliberate reference to the Alien exploding in the script.
I mean, that, or they didn't have the money left to actually show it exploding and had to make do with a sound effect. ;D
Then again, Cameron referenced the deleted scene in Alien when he had Ripley somehow know of the Alien having a coccooning process, yet as far as he was concerned he was retconning that aspect.
EDIT: D'oh, that's right. I need to rewatch
Aliens again. Thanks SiL.
Quote from: Eal on Mar 26, 2024, 12:30:38 PMThen again, Cameron referenced the deleted scene in Alien when he had Ripley somehow know of the Alien having a coccooning process, yet as far as he was concerned he was retconning that aspect.
Ripley only mentions cocooning after seeing the colonists have been cocooned.
Quote from: SiL on Mar 26, 2024, 12:30:21 PMHe was supposed to explode, and the sound is him exploding, but since we don't see it Fede has the same free reign Cameron did with the Queen.
Except Big Chap coming back is layers of stupid.
The only layer of stupid I can objectively point out is that it implies WY knew of Ripley's shuttle (how else could they find Big Chap?) and are both omnipotently evil and incompetent at the same time. This also assumes you discount Big Chap being blown to pieces and scattered throughout deep space, I might add.
Quote from: 426Buddy on Mar 26, 2024, 12:18:40 PMThis is really dumb but... everytime i read the title of this thread I hear it on this guys voice.
https://i.imgur.com/38oQF3X.jpeg
"Yea....Right...there's a piece of him in this random area of the galaxy...a couple more pieces here...uh...the rest I don't know...good luck?"
Quote from: Eal on Mar 26, 2024, 12:33:41 PMThe only layer of stupid I can objectively point out is that it implies WY knew of Ripley's shuttle (how else could they find Big Chap?) and are both omnipotently evil and incompetent at the same time.
That it survived is dumb, that they could
find it is dumb, that they could find it and not Ripley is dumb, that --
It's a small charred corpse in deep space. There is no good explanation for finding it. There are plenty of contrived ways to pull it out your arse, sure, but no good explanations.
Quote from: SM on Mar 26, 2024, 12:17:09 PMI always thought the boom was a deliberate reference to the Alien exploding in the script.
Quote from: Thatguy2068 on Mar 26, 2024, 05:02:24 AMWell, I see two options. Number one she went into the orbit of LV – 426 and simply burned up in the atmosphere. Number two she's in space. Just floating I don't know What's worse. Either you can just burn up in the atmosphere with a painful death or just float into space and experience, infinite boredom.
Or she got pulled into the gas giant.
Maybe, again we don't know. Space is so vast with ... space but you can literally miss most things while floating through.
On a long enough time frame she'd be pulled into either the moon's gravity or the planet's gravity. She's not going to end up floating out into the void.
Quote from: SiL on Mar 26, 2024, 12:36:41 PMQuote from: Eal on Mar 26, 2024, 12:33:41 PMThe only layer of stupid I can objectively point out is that it implies WY knew of Ripley's shuttle (how else could they find Big Chap?) and are both omnipotently evil and incompetent at the same time.
That it survived is dumb, that they could find it is dumb, that they could find it and not Ripley is dumb, that --
It's a small charred corpse in deep space. There is no good explanation for finding it. There are plenty of contrived ways to pull it out your arse, sure, but no good explanations.
There
are, actually, they just have three major problems in that they a.)retcon Ripley's accidental drifting through the Core systems to one of deliberate interference by whatever WY survey team found Chap b.)This further retcons WY's actions inbetween Alien and Aliens to be both omnipotent and incompotent. And finally c.)rather than exploding and being scatered in disparate parts of the galaxy, Big Chap somehow remained intact and drifted in a straight line backwards away from the shuttle.
Provided a.) and c.) are true, then it's certainly very "convenient", but no more so than an egg randomly appearing in a random Sulaco corridor that we haven't seen being laid or created.
That still leaves the problem of WY somehow being omnipotent and also incredibly idiotic at the same time. It begs the question of why the dog catches in Alien 3 didn't just survey the planet to look for a floating Queen.
"It floated in a straight line and they just worked their way back from a point in space they could not have known" is not a good explanation, that's firmly in the arse-pull territory.
Even if they had a way of knowing where the ship was when it was ejected, the chances of finding something that small floating alone in space is zero.
An egg being on the Sulaco after an egg-laying Alien was on it was fine. We can connect those dots. The only actual problem is where we see it.
I think it is not fine, being a stationary object they ought to have found with a sweep before hypersleep, Facehuggers though I can absolutely buy being missed.
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 26, 2024, 01:01:54 PMI think it is not fine, being a stationary object they ought to have found with a sweep before hypersleep
That's a separate issue. We don't need to see the egg being laid if there's an egg-laying Alien on the ship beforehand.
But yes, just facehuggers would've been the sensible thing.
Yeah I know what you mean.
The Big Chap exploding part will be easily ignored. I'm pretty sure most people didn't even notice it.
100% he didn't explode and is in one slightly used piece.
Quote from: SM on Mar 25, 2024, 11:48:04 PMThe "other" being referred to, was squatting on private property without the appropriate timeframe to claim adverse possession, and furthermore lacked the intellect to realise aforementioned property was going into meltdown despite repeated warnings to evacuate to a, quote, "minimum safe distance", unquote.
How's this for an ass pull? The Queen always intended to stowaway on the Sulaco and used both Newt and Ripley to do it. Then it's finally a literal ass pull of leaving an infant Alien behind just in case.
I guess. Plot contrivances and gaps in logic only really start to matter when the movie is terrible.
My main gripe, still, is more that it retroactively makes WY look incompetent and like evil geniuses at the same time.
They're geniuses enough to perfectly track a shuttle's flight path, deliberately interfere with it to make sure she goes off course and find and reverse-engineer the remains of Big Chap. Okay. Right. Sure.
They're also incompetent enough to waste billions of dollars processing the atmosphere on LV-426 and sending colonists out there, and by Alien 3somehow not being able to repeat the process they used to find Big Chap to also find the Queen?
Like I said, it's layers of dumb.
Quote from: Eal on Mar 26, 2024, 01:17:21 PMI guess. Plot contrivances and gaps in logic only really start to matter when the movie is terrible.
I agree. Alien 3 is build on a big plot hole, and I love it.
I like to think Big Chap went into stasis mode, he a sleepy boy all through the end of Alien, ala in Dark Descent. He appears to have created some fungal growth or something around him.
I think the Queen died though, burning up in the atmosphere of Acheron hopefully, I can only be glad the Dragon got such a definitive ending on Fury that they can not f**k with.
This feels truly like discussing Halloween or Friday the 13th now.
Quote from: SiL on Mar 26, 2024, 01:20:51 PMLike I said, it's layers of dumb.
Fair enough. I guess we just disagree on the type of dumbness in particular. My contention is more to do with how it affects WY's motivation in the later entries, yours is the probabilities and odds of it occuring the first place. Also the fact that the script has it blowing to bits and being scattered randomly throughout deep space. Cheers.
If the movie is good though, I'll accept it just like I accepted the Egg on the Sulaco.
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Mar 26, 2024, 01:24:29 PMQuote from: Eal on Mar 26, 2024, 01:17:21 PMI guess. Plot contrivances and gaps in logic only really start to matter when the movie is terrible.
I agree. Alien 3 is build on a big plot hole, and I love it.
Me too! ;D
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 26, 2024, 01:26:28 PMI like to think Big Chap went into stasis mode, he a sleepy boy all through the end of Alien, ala in Dark Descent. He appears to have created some fungal growth or something around him.
I think the Queen died though, burning up in the atmosphere of Acheron hopefully, I can only be glad the Dragon got such a definitive ending on Fury that they can not f**k with.
This feels truly like discussing Halloween or Friday the 13th now.
If Alien: Romulus turns out to be a waste of time, performs terribly and gets terrible reviews, they probably won't try and do anything with the Queen.
If it doesn't though...well...we know what they're going to try.
@Ralphy, are you feeling vindicated yet?
But if the Queen is somehow reintroduced for a hypothetic sequel, doesn't the black goo invalidate this possiblity anyways ?
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 26, 2024, 01:26:28 PMI like to think Big Chap went into stasis mode, he a sleepy boy all through the end of Alien, ala in Dark Descent. He appears to have created some fungal growth or something around him.
Like in that one fan comic Xenomorph lucky star, even though not the same the shared the same concept?
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Mar 26, 2024, 01:41:19 PMBut if the Queen is somehow reintroduced for a hypothetic sequel, doesn't the black goo invalidate this possiblity anyways ?
I don't follow? Would it be the seeming retcon that they're not really interested in Chap or Bitch and moreso after the alien DNA goo as established in the recent lore?
The Antarctica Queen is more likely to be alive.
AVP can piss off.
If it is successful (which I reckon it will be) I do not see them touching the Queen because it is so bloody obvious, and in essence leads to the same premise, I do see them going for another film set between films though.
Perhaps even something between Aliens and Alien³ dealing with the Sulaco I can see. And simultaneously giving the green light to the last prequel.
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 26, 2024, 01:49:34 PMAVP can piss off.
If it is successful (which I reckon it will be) I do not see them touching the Queen because it is so bloody obvious, and in essence leads to the same premise, I do see them going for another film set between films though.
Perhaps even something between Aliens and Alien³ dealing with the Sulaco I can see. And simultaneously giving the green light to the last prequel.
I do think Ridley should get to finish his prequels but then the door needs to be closed on it.
The prequel trilogy should then be retconned or ignored. The Alien's origins should either be old or simply not explained at all.
No black goo, no artificial life-form created by an android. Keep it simple and plausible.
Keeping general audiences in mind, that will never explicitly happen, at best you will get Noah Hawley contradicting the films for his particular narrative.
Whether or not successive creatives follow that path or Ridley who knows.
I only want the David being the Space Jockey idea reigned in, everything else, do what you want to Scott.
Quote from: The Cruentus on Mar 26, 2024, 01:52:24 PMQuote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 26, 2024, 01:49:34 PMAVP can piss off.
If it is successful (which I reckon it will be) I do not see them touching the Queen because it is so bloody obvious, and in essence leads to the same premise, I do see them going for another film set between films though.
Perhaps even something between Aliens and Alien³ dealing with the Sulaco I can see. And simultaneously giving the green light to the last prequel.
I do think Ridley should get to finish his prequels but then the door needs to be closed on it.
The prequel trilogy should then be retconned or ignored. The Alien's origins should either be old or simply not explained at all.
No black goo, no artificial life-form created by an android. Keep it simple and plausible.
I think that's what they're doing. Not ignoring the goo or the prequels, nor explicitly decanonizing them, but partially retconning and recontextualizing them like Alex White was able to do.
IE: that neither David nor the Engineers actually created the Xenomorphs. The Engineers simply were an advanced, humanoid religious cult that worshiped the Alien and DNA-goo, and tried to be utilize it for religious reason, until it got them all killed.
In effect, this would retcon the Engineers back to what they originally stood for: A plot device meant to foreshadow humanity's encounter with the alien. I'm fine with this if that's the case. It would make the jockey seen in Alien far more sympathetic than evil. An Engineer with a conscious trying to warn of what happens when you go off the deep end with the organism, but like Ripley, no one listened.
Quote from: Eal on Mar 26, 2024, 01:48:19 PMQuote from: BigDaddyJohn on Mar 26, 2024, 01:41:19 PMBut if the Queen is somehow reintroduced for a hypothetic sequel, doesn't the black goo invalidate this possiblity anyways ?
I don't follow? Would it be the seeming retcon that they're not really interested in Chap or Bitch and moreso after the alien DNA goo as established in the recent lore?
I mean the queen explained the presence of eggs already. The black goo being introduced as an important element for David's creations including eggs never seemed to open the path for a queen.
What I mean is when you have black goo, you don't need a queen anymore.
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Mar 26, 2024, 02:19:13 PMQuote from: Eal on Mar 26, 2024, 01:48:19 PMQuote from: BigDaddyJohn on Mar 26, 2024, 01:41:19 PMBut if the Queen is somehow reintroduced for a hypothetic sequel, doesn't the black goo invalidate this possiblity anyways ?
I don't follow? Would it be the seeming retcon that they're not really interested in Chap or Bitch and moreso after the alien DNA goo as established in the recent lore?
I mean the queen explained the presence of eggs already. The black goo being introduced as an important element for David's creations including eggs never seemed to open the path for a queen.
What I mean is when you have black goo, you don't need a queen anymore.
The black goo is a MacGuffin and byproduct of the Alien DNA. It can't generate Aliens, Eggs or Queens in and of itself unless additional steps are introduced.
I was more thinking of the possibly of showing the goo/dna as part of the lifecycle, kind of like how Alex White incorporated it as the payload that the huggers deliver. So, you could incorporate it into Eggmorphing, the process of a hive generating a queen, etc.
in one of the scripts i remember vaguely something about a queen being able to release spores from her tail. not sure which one it was. i think it s the one where there is a scene like in covenant where a person s skin just bursts open and is transformed into an alien creature. funnily enough didn t the person in covvie also breath in a spore?
so maybe somewhere down the line the goo spawns a spore releasing queen.
who knows
Quote from: oduodu on Mar 26, 2024, 02:49:47 PMin one of the scripts i remember vaguely something about a queen being able to release spores from her tail. not sure which one it was. i think it s the one where there is a scene like in covenant where a person s skin just bursts open and is transformed into an alien creature. funnily enough didn t the person in covvie also breath in a spore?
so maybe somewhere down the line the goo spawns a spore releasing queen.
who knows
The Gibson script did this sort of. It had the Queen depositing some sort of (unspecified)genetic material into Bishop when she stabbed him, which results in an Egg being formed. You could replace the genetic material with the black accelerant.
You could also take the deleted scene in the original Alien where Chap hooks the tip of his tail into the base of Brett's spine/neck before headbiting him as it depositing genetic material into him to prepare for cocooning him into an egg.
Quote from: Eal on Mar 26, 2024, 02:31:21 PMQuote from: BigDaddyJohn on Mar 26, 2024, 02:19:13 PMQuote from: Eal on Mar 26, 2024, 01:48:19 PMQuote from: BigDaddyJohn on Mar 26, 2024, 01:41:19 PMBut if the Queen is somehow reintroduced for a hypothetic sequel, doesn't the black goo invalidate this possiblity anyways ?
I don't follow? Would it be the seeming retcon that they're not really interested in Chap or Bitch and moreso after the alien DNA goo as established in the recent lore?
I mean the queen explained the presence of eggs already. The black goo being introduced as an important element for David's creations including eggs never seemed to open the path for a queen.
What I mean is when you have black goo, you don't need a queen anymore.
The black goo is a MacGuffin and byproduct of the Alien DNA. It can't generate Aliens, Eggs or Queens in and of itself unless additional steps are introduced.
I was more thinking of the possibly of showing the goo/dna as part of the lifecycle, kind of like how Alex White incorporated it as the payload that the huggers deliver. So, you could incorporate it into Eggmorphing, the process of a hive generating a queen, etc.
Oh ok I see. I would prefer that indeed.
Quote from: The Cruentus on Mar 26, 2024, 01:52:24 PMQuote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 26, 2024, 01:49:34 PMAVP can piss off.
If it is successful (which I reckon it will be) I do not see them touching the Queen because it is so bloody obvious, and in essence leads to the same premise, I do see them going for another film set between films though.
Perhaps even something between Aliens and Alien³ dealing with the Sulaco I can see. And simultaneously giving the green light to the last prequel.
I do think Ridley should get to finish his prequels but then the door needs to be closed on it.
The prequel trilogy should then be retconned or ignored. The Alien's origins should either be old or simply not explained at all.
No black goo, no artificial life-form created by an android. Keep it simple and plausible.
They need to hurry up on a final prequel, Fassbender cannot stay young forever.
Quote from: E. Shaw on Mar 26, 2024, 03:30:36 PMQuote from: The Cruentus on Mar 26, 2024, 01:52:24 PMQuote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 26, 2024, 01:49:34 PMAVP can piss off.
If it is successful (which I reckon it will be) I do not see them touching the Queen because it is so bloody obvious, and in essence leads to the same premise, I do see them going for another film set between films though.
Perhaps even something between Aliens and Alien³ dealing with the Sulaco I can see. And simultaneously giving the green light to the last prequel.
I do think Ridley should get to finish his prequels but then the door needs to be closed on it.
The prequel trilogy should then be retconned or ignored. The Alien's origins should either be old or simply not explained at all.
No black goo, no artificial life-form created by an android. Keep it simple and plausible.
They need to hurry up on a final prequel, Fassbender cannot stay young forever.
Deepfake.
Quote from: Eal on Mar 26, 2024, 04:21:58 PMQuote from: E. Shaw on Mar 26, 2024, 03:30:36 PMQuote from: The Cruentus on Mar 26, 2024, 01:52:24 PMQuote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 26, 2024, 01:49:34 PMAVP can piss off.
If it is successful (which I reckon it will be) I do not see them touching the Queen because it is so bloody obvious, and in essence leads to the same premise, I do see them going for another film set between films though.
Perhaps even something between Aliens and Alien³ dealing with the Sulaco I can see. And simultaneously giving the green light to the last prequel.
I do think Ridley should get to finish his prequels but then the door needs to be closed on it.
The prequel trilogy should then be retconned or ignored. The Alien's origins should either be old or simply not explained at all.
No black goo, no artificial life-form created by an android. Keep it simple and plausible.
They need to hurry up on a final prequel, Fassbender cannot stay young forever.
Deepfake.
Yeah CG allows for keeping people young, but I prefer love action. I want to see David on Origae-6.
Quote from: E. Shaw on Mar 26, 2024, 04:21:58 PMYeah CG allows for keeping people young, but I prefer love action. I want to see David on Origae-6.
A little love action eh? ;D
Quote from: 426Buddy on Mar 26, 2024, 04:36:23 PMQuote from: E. Shaw on Mar 26, 2024, 04:21:58 PMYeah CG allows for keeping people young, but I prefer love action. I want to see David on Origae-6.
A little love action eh? ;D
Now that was a perfect typo. XD
I love me some love action now an then.
Quote from: Eal on Mar 26, 2024, 04:21:58 PMQuote from: E. Shaw on Mar 26, 2024, 03:30:36 PMQuote from: The Cruentus on Mar 26, 2024, 01:52:24 PMQuote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 26, 2024, 01:49:34 PMAVP can piss off.
If it is successful (which I reckon it will be) I do not see them touching the Queen because it is so bloody obvious, and in essence leads to the same premise, I do see them going for another film set between films though.
Perhaps even something between Aliens and Alien³ dealing with the Sulaco I can see. And simultaneously giving the green light to the last prequel.
I do think Ridley should get to finish his prequels but then the door needs to be closed on it.
The prequel trilogy should then be retconned or ignored. The Alien's origins should either be old or simply not explained at all.
No black goo, no artificial life-form created by an android. Keep it simple and plausible.
They need to hurry up on a final prequel, Fassbender cannot stay young forever.
Deepfake.
This! Someone wake up Scott! :)🙏
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Mar 26, 2024, 06:12:47 PMQuote from: Eal on Mar 26, 2024, 04:21:58 PMQuote from: E. Shaw on Mar 26, 2024, 03:30:36 PMQuote from: The Cruentus on Mar 26, 2024, 01:52:24 PMQuote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 26, 2024, 01:49:34 PMAVP can piss off.
If it is successful (which I reckon it will be) I do not see them touching the Queen because it is so bloody obvious, and in essence leads to the same premise, I do see them going for another film set between films though.
Perhaps even something between Aliens and Alien³ dealing with the Sulaco I can see. And simultaneously giving the green light to the last prequel.
I do think Ridley should get to finish his prequels but then the door needs to be closed on it.
The prequel trilogy should then be retconned or ignored. The Alien's origins should either be old or simply not explained at all.
No black goo, no artificial life-form created by an android. Keep it simple and plausible.
They need to hurry up on a final prequel, Fassbender cannot stay young forever.
Deepfake.
This! Someone wake up Scott! :)🙏
Even better, deepfake Scott. Deepfake him approving a script for Aliens: Phalanx and Alien: The Cold Forge and send it to 20th Century. :b
Quote from: Eal on Mar 26, 2024, 07:46:09 PMQuote from: Immortan Jonesy on Mar 26, 2024, 06:12:47 PMQuote from: Eal on Mar 26, 2024, 04:21:58 PMQuote from: E. Shaw on Mar 26, 2024, 03:30:36 PMQuote from: The Cruentus on Mar 26, 2024, 01:52:24 PMQuote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 26, 2024, 01:49:34 PMAVP can piss off.
If it is successful (which I reckon it will be) I do not see them touching the Queen because it is so bloody obvious, and in essence leads to the same premise, I do see them going for another film set between films though.
Perhaps even something between Aliens and Alien³ dealing with the Sulaco I can see. And simultaneously giving the green light to the last prequel.
I do think Ridley should get to finish his prequels but then the door needs to be closed on it.
The prequel trilogy should then be retconned or ignored. The Alien's origins should either be old or simply not explained at all.
No black goo, no artificial life-form created by an android. Keep it simple and plausible.
They need to hurry up on a final prequel, Fassbender cannot stay young forever.
Deepfake.
This! Someone wake up Scott! :)🙏
Even better, deepfake Scott. Deepfake him approving a script for Aliens: Phalanx and Alien: The Cold Forge and send it to Fox. :b
Alien: Pravagen
Finally get into Weyland's pharma use of the Xenos.
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 26, 2024, 01:49:34 PMAVP can piss off.
Umm, let's be civil? This is an AvP forum.
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Mar 25, 2024, 01:40:13 PMSo Chap surviving space would not make sense at all then ?
Quote from: The Cruentus on Mar 25, 2024, 01:42:52 PMNot indefinitely at least.
Or, and hear me out, it's an edgy space monster, and if it survived the thrusters it can probably survive space, for a given value of "survive" either.
I'm not opposed to it surviving space, as long as it's in rough shape.
It certainly looks to be
Character: "How did you find the missing Nostromo's Alien? Did you guys find it there on the shuttle? With Ripley? Or was it space?"
Droid: "It was with us all the way"
That's gonna be our explanation, I'll bet.
Wait what ?
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Mar 26, 2024, 06:12:47 PMQuote from: Eal on Mar 26, 2024, 04:21:58 PMQuote from: E. Shaw on Mar 26, 2024, 03:30:36 PMQuote from: The Cruentus on Mar 26, 2024, 01:52:24 PMQuote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 26, 2024, 01:49:34 PMAVP can piss off.
If it is successful (which I reckon it will be) I do not see them touching the Queen because it is so bloody obvious, and in essence leads to the same premise, I do see them going for another film set between films though.
Perhaps even something between Aliens and Alien³ dealing with the Sulaco I can see. And simultaneously giving the green light to the last prequel.
I do think Ridley should get to finish his prequels but then the door needs to be closed on it.
The prequel trilogy should then be retconned or ignored. The Alien's origins should either be old or simply not explained at all.
No black goo, no artificial life-form created by an android. Keep it simple and plausible.
They need to hurry up on a final prequel, Fassbender cannot stay young forever.
Deepfake.
This! Someone wake up Scott! :)🙏
Scott should tell Disney:
"Let me make the final prequel, I'll agree not to take a pay check while working on it or raise some funds myself."
Yes she's alive and so is the one in Antarctica
Just pick up the lonely Deacon from LV-223
Quote from: Wweyland on Mar 29, 2024, 11:12:21 AMJust pick up the lonely Deacon from LV-223
For all we know he might turn into a mountain :|
Quote from: solace97 on Mar 29, 2024, 08:16:35 AMYes she's alive and so is the one in Antarctica
Two Queens to bring them all and in the darkness bind them where no one can hear you scream.
Two Queens. There was a thread...
Quote from: solace97 on Mar 29, 2024, 08:16:35 AMYes she's alive
Burned up on re-entry.
Quoteand so is the one in Antarctica
(https://i.imgur.com/RkzA7Sy.jpeg)
HISHE's How Aliens Should Have Ended had The Queen floating about and meeting a Predator and their ship. XD
Quote from: The Cruentus on Mar 25, 2024, 01:09:16 PMYeah I can buy tolerating more exposure than humans when it comes to space but to survive it completely and indefinitely, no, it just adds more need to suspend disbelief. They are supposed to be aliens, not supernatural creatures. If something is science fiction, then it should at least make some effort at the science part. The first movie for example is fairly gritty, other than a few things such as maybe how the ship travels and how stasis works etc, most of what you see is within the realm of plausibilty.
why is that unrealistic gor them to be ablre to sevirve in space? We have no idea if they need to breath or how often they need to eat. Same goes gor the queen at the bottum of the ocean from avp.
Because we see and hear them breath, if they have lungs then they need to breath.
Just not very often.
Maybe they can go into a hibernate like state where they don't require breathing for extended periods of time. We know they can survive in space for a period of time so there has to be something to kt