QuoteLast year I revealed a possible live-action series set in the Alien universe in the very early development stages and could be heading towards a streaming service. Well, it's been a couple of months and I have some exclusive updates to share.
There isn't just one live-action Alien series in the works, but two of them.
According to a source, one of them is said to have Ridley Scott as an executive producer and is going to be for Hulu. I would imagine that his production company Scott Free Productions would be involved as they've had previous interests in television projects including Ridley's current project, an android series titled Raised By Wolves for TNT.
Details are scarce at the moment but there might be multiple seasons that could tackle different corners/eras of the franchise, not unlike Noah Hawley's series Fargo.
In theory, I could see them possibly filling gaps in the franchise or crafting brand new stories to tell within the Alien universe. It still seems to be the very early days with these projects and I can't exactly speak to what they'll be about at the moment.
The Disney-Fox merger is a couple of months away but that wouldn't stop from Fox developing their own in-house projects. Disney CEO Bob Iger has also suggested in an earnings call recently that they're open to Fox continuing mature programming/franchises and we've already seen Marvel Television launch four mature animated shows on Hulu with M.O.D.O.K., Hit-Monkey, Tigra & Dazzler, and Howard The Duck. There is a very good chance that we could see more mature projects from the Fox side of things take root at Hulu, like this Alien series from Ridley Scott.
After the less than successful box office run of Alien: Covenant it could be enough reason to pivot to television/streaming for the next little while.
When we have more information to share we will certainly update.
https://hnentertainment.co/exclusive-two-live-action-alien-series-are-in-the-works-and-ridley-scott-is-producing-one-at-hulu/
No idea the validity of this source, but thought i should post anyway.
Ridley doing one of them means a continuation (conclusion?) of the David arc, which excites me immensely. And with one dedicated to David, that means that the second show would be free to go off and do whatever it pleases. Best of both worlds, providing two totally unique perspectives on the universe.
Fingers crossed that this is true.
This could be so perfect if it's true.
Give David fans a conclusion with the Ridley series and give casual fans & prequel haters something more crowd-pleasing with the other series.
I would love to see David's story get wrapped up as a Netflix or Hulu mini series or movie. That being said, there's no grain of salt big enough to take this with.
If a show (or shows) were to happen, Hulu is definitely the place they would go; Disney and Fox had two of the biggest stakes in Hulu, and given the current Fox shakeup...
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 14, 2019, 12:38:54 AM
Ridley doing one of them means a continuation (conclusion?) of the David arc, which excites me immensely. And with one dedicated to David, that means that the second show would be free to go off and do whatever it pleases. Best of both worlds, providing two totally unique perspectives on the universe.
Fingers crossed that this is true.
Agreed!
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 14, 2019, 12:38:54 AM
that means that the second show would be free to go off and do whatever it pleases.
MAKE THE SPACE JOCKEY GREAT AGAIN. :)
I hope if they do reintroduce the SJ as a real organism, that it's part of David's narrative- not separate. I don't want to see them running around punching Humans, Androids or Xenomorphs in the chest with a big elephant trunk, it has the potential to go so stupid, so fast if they go in completely the opposite direction from Prometheus. Say what you will about the Engineers, but at least they weren't the comics' rendition of the Space Jockey.
The last engineer did go around punching humans and ripping the head off an android. That part with him going after Shaw was out of a slasher movie. That Engineer was disappointing, specially with all those faces the actor was making. Prometheus already made him go full angry monster mode.
Not that fully agree with their portrayal on the comics, Destroying Angels did their backstory better, but I didn't like the organic look on that one. I wouldn't even mind if it is a suit as long its not human behind it. There has been many great fanversions of them that were much better than the ones we got on movies/comics.
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Anyway I hope a TV series happens and its a new take on the series.
Something tells me the non-Ridley series will stray pretty far away from the Engineers and their associated plot elements.
I would love to see something set post-Alien 3, dealing with the events surrounding Weyland-Yutani's collapse.
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or GTFO.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 14, 2019, 01:28:10 AM
Something tells me the non-Ridley Scott series will stray pretty far away from the Engineers and their associated plot elements.
I would love to see something set post-Alien³ dealing with the events surrounding Weyland-Yutani's collapse.
Agreed, or even post-Resurrection, but with the reemergence of all the elements from the Trilogy.
If they ever do anything post-Resurrection, I want to see them embrace Resurrection. Tonally it can be its own thing, but run amok with the plot elements that film established.
"There never was much hope, only a fool's hope."
I can't see them ever embracing Resurrection, not directly- it would either be entirely it's own thing that's set after Resurrection or something aping the more popular first three entries as Isolation or The Cold Forge do. I can perhaps see the USM being included or mentioned but that's it.
Why would they invest in a TV show based on a movie that most who can remember it, don't like very much?
They wouldn't.
Quote from: The Old One on Feb 14, 2019, 02:34:58 AM
"There never was much hope, only a fool's hope."
I can't see them ever embracing Resurrection, not directly- it would either be entirely it's own thing that's set after Resurrection or something aping the more popular first three entries as Isolation or The Cold Forge do. I can perhaps see the USM being included or mentioned but that's it.
Autons are an intriguing concept for me, especially given the AI-filled landscape that is the current Alien continuity.
There would also be a lot of interesting directions to take Ripley 8 (in a project with a less of a satirical tone than Resurrection) in light of what the prequel films have revealed about Alien genetics, but alas, if Sigourney ever does come back it would never be as Ripley 8.
As you say, Sigourney Weaver would never return as Ripley 8- it's not worth discussion.
The USM and Autons, I doubt most would even remember that they were in Resurrection in the first place if they were in a new Series, they left the details reagrding both rather vague after all. Again, I can see these concepts perhaps returning in some form but every effort would most likely be made to divorce the audience from even thinking about Resurrection.
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These are f**king awful BTW.
To each his own, I prefer it to what we got on movies and comics.
I prefer the ones I posted to what we've received in Official Media, the above are laughable, genuinely- the first made me laugh.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 14, 2019, 02:30:02 AM
If they ever do anything post-Resurrection, I want to see them embrace Resurrection. Tonally it can be its own thing, but run amok with the plot elements that film established.
Hard agree. A mini about the auton uprising would be cool. I guess we'd be the only two who would watch it! :laugh:
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Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 14, 2019, 02:30:02 AM
If they ever do anything post-Resurrection, I want to see them embrace Resurrection. Tonally it can be its own thing, but run amok with the plot elements that film established.
Hard agree. A mini about the auton uprising would be cool. I guess we'd be the only two who would watch it! :laugh:
Tie in WY's collapse with the Autons...
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I just want another story with the USM. An interesting antagonist that hasn't been touched in 20 years aside from a small reference in one novel.
Also, if this ends up on Netflix, they already have Winona Ryder's number...
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Quote from: Ultramorph on Feb 14, 2019, 03:17:46 AM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 14, 2019, 02:30:02 AM
If they ever do anything post-Resurrection, I want to see them embrace Resurrection. Tonally it can be its own thing, but run amok with the plot elements that film established.
Hard agree. A mini about the auton uprising would be cool. I guess we'd be the only two who would watch it! :laugh:
Tie in WY's collapse with the Autons...
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The Company was gone decades before the Auton recall.
Read. Play. Watch. #AmandaRipley
I assume we're getting a series featuring Amanda Ripley.
Quote from: The Old One on Feb 14, 2019, 01:42:48 AM
Ah, so this is what WATCH was eh?
Amanda Ripley TV Series confirmed?
Amanda Ripley Mini-Series, I'd say.
According to Muthur9000 on Twitter, her sources tell her there's no reason to believe this right now. Mr H Reviews is saying the same thing.
Muthur9000 claims she knows what the "Watch" portion of the Amanda Ripley promotion is and it is not connected to either of these shows if they are even happening.
Gonna take a cold shower now...
Not a shock. Don't believe anything 'til it is straight out of Fox's mouth.
Still, on the topic of Fox, "I want to believe."
That's why healthy skepticism is a good thing. #gameover
The Tongal short Alien film competition is finished. Winners were selected on 8 Feb. We are now awaiting announcements.
*WATCH could be that.
TC
It isn't. ;)
SM guards his secrets like Aaron and his code.
And we share an IQ.
I'm really excited to see what those Tongal shorts end up like!
Regarding the rumour, it's not something I can validate either. That said, HN (and Chris M, formerly of Omega Underground) are hardly Scified so regardless I would expect this does come from somewhere they genuinely trust. Not some randomer in their emails.
Quote from: TC on Feb 14, 2019, 06:27:21 AM
The Tongal short Alien film competition is finished. Winners were selected on 8 Feb. We are now awaiting announcements.
*WATCH could be that.
TC
the watch part of the read play watch is separate to these fan films, its very Amanda Ripley centric and is coming soon. or scheduled to come soon anyway, may even be something familiar to people.... may not be....
Quote from: Samhain13 on Feb 14, 2019, 01:26:17 AM
The last engineer did go around punching humans and ripping the head off an android. That part with him going after Shaw was out of a slasher movie. That Engineer was disappointing, specially with all those faces the actor was making. Prometheus already made him go full angry monster mode.
Not that fully agree with their portrayal on the comics, Destroying Angels did their backstory better, but I didn't like the organic look on that one. I wouldn't even mind if it is a suit as long its not human behind it. There has been many great fanversions of them that were much better than the ones we got on movies/comics.
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Anyway I hope a TV series happens and its a new take on the series.
Don't worry, David will make the Jockey great again. ;D
David can't even make himself great. This is beyond his league. He can stay on the corner crying over Shaw's grave.
:D You'll see...
I'm sticking with Samhain on this one ;D
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 14, 2019, 09:10:32 AM
I'm really excited to see what those Tongal shorts end up like!
Regarding the rumour, it's not something I can validate either. That said, HN (and Chris M, formerly of Omega Underground) are hardly Scified so regardless I would expect this does come from somewhere they genuinely trust. Not some randomer in their emails.
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">As we said things are in very early development.. might not even get off the ground until 2020.. if people think this is happening within months we didn't give that impression.. <a href="https://t.co/p0KxOXFE3J">https://t.co/p0KxOXFE3J</a></p>— Christopher Marc (@_ChristopherM) <a href="https://twitter.com/_ChristopherM/status/1095872104510210048?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 14, 2019</a></blockquote>
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Christopher Marc here... yeah I'm not sure you guys know who I am so I figured I'd make a glorious return to the AVPGalaxy forums.. so yeah, I actually started out here in the early 2000s when Fox was mulling over ALIEN 5 vs AVP.. then I started doing film stuff in early Facebook groups, then finding images/scoops sending them to places like SlashFilm, FilmSchoolRejects, and FirstShowing.. eventually started my own blog Celluloid & Cigarette Burns, and attempted to self-teach aggregation of industry news..ended up co-founding OmegaUnderground about four years ago this month, I've done some light freelancing for IGN a while back.. we then sold OmegaUnderground to GeeksWorldWide in July and I eventually moved on to writing news for Hybrid Network in Novermber.. I've been covering film news since about 2008.. so over ten years now..
Concerning our story, this was coming from someone that has been giving some solid film and TV information over the last year.. mostly through direct L.A. agency sources (like how the film trades get their information).. I totally understand why Mr. H (he blew up at me in direct messages on Twitter yesterday which sparked that debunk video) and others feel the need to be skeptical and from my perspective, this is still super early and is a huge reason why nobody at Fox is confirming this to the community.. because like Hicks pointed out above in my tweet this long-game stuff at the moment it's not something that is coming out in the next couple months or that is being previewed among the community websites..make it as you will I post production/crew news on a daily basis, I don't waste my time on clickbait.. anyways, I hope everyone has a lovely Valentine's Day
The plot, like my gravy, thickens..
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Quote from: Necronomicon II on Feb 14, 2019, 12:57:04 PM
:D You'll see...
I will tell you what I won't see. David ever getting over the friendzone Shaw put him on.
Well. Did not expect this... Color me intrigued.
I'll be skeptical as to if it sees the light of day knowing how often things get cancelled. If it goes well, I so want to see those series. But thanks to Mr H for killing the unwarranted hype that it was making, fan speculation is out of control which is to be expected. When it's not the Watch part, people expecting it to be need to be told the truth.
This whole situation is messy, but very, very interesting.
Dread Central's sources tell them the "Watch" component is "not live-action," but Mr. H claims he knows what it is and he thinks fans will be excited about it. Hicks and Muthur9000 seem positive about it too.
This is getting really frustrating. I wish Fox would just hurry the hell up and announce this.
Honestly, between the wait for the Watch component and an expectation to see something live-action, I worry we're in for another Blackout situation when it does get announced.
I'm worried about that too. Whatever we're getting, I feel like it will pale in comparison to the supposed HN news.
Oh well, at least this means that neither of these series won't be Amanda Ripley centric- which is a really good thing. I wager if it'll come to fruition that one will essentially be a Prometheus series, and the other a Alien series.
This makes me really curious now what the WATCH component is now, perhaps an animated film? Or something animated.
Quote from: David's Creation on Feb 14, 2019, 03:50:51 PM
Dread Central's sources tell them the "Watch" component is "not live-action," but Mr. H claims he knows what it is and he thinks fans will be excited about it. Hicks and Muthur9000 seem positive about it too.
This is getting really frustrating. I wish Fox would just hurry the hell up and announce this.
We may have been given a preview of the Watch part and I don't think people will be disappointed. Although how they rolled-out Alien: Blackout wasn't the smartest.
Quote from: David's Creation on Feb 14, 2019, 04:03:27 PM
I'm worried about that too. Whatever we're getting, I feel like it will pale in comparison to the supposed HN news.
It's interesting for sure, I can't dish on specifics but it's cooler than Blackout.
Quote from: The Old One on Feb 14, 2019, 04:44:42 PM
Oh well, at least this means that neither of these series won't be Amanda Ripley centric- which is a really good thing.
Did I honestly miss something? What makes you certain of that? Only one involves Ridley (supposedly).
There isn't just one live-action Alien series in the works, but two of them.
According to a source, one of them is said to have Ridley Scott as an executive producer and is going to be for Hulu.
Because the WATCH component has nothing to do with this, and I have a feeling that Amanda Ripley's story is going to be wrapped up effectively with Resistance, or a sequel to Resistance. If they're seeking out those responsible for the "Special Orders" which I'd wager they are.
I don't see Amanda Ripley carrying a whole series, and frankly don't want to.
I know you don't want a live action series to feature Amanda, I'm just making sure I didn't miss anything concrete / definitive that we wouldn't.
Itz all still up in zee air. ;)
It is indeed.
My money is on Watch being the Isolation cutscenes strung together into a movie. It's the safest bet, and that way we'll be pleasantly surprised if it's something else.
Quote from: Ultramorph on Feb 14, 2019, 05:16:31 PM
My money is on Watch being the Isolation cutscenes strung together into a movie. It's the safest bet, and that way we'll be pleasantly surprised if it's something else.
I hope you don't mean that, any good YouTube Channel could do the same. Unless you're talking a CG or Animated film rendition with the same voice actors.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 14, 2019, 03:57:20 PM
Honestly, between the wait for the Watch component and an expectation to see something live-action, I worry we're in for another Blackout situation when it does get announced.
Fox must be preparing for round 2.
Ding-Ding Ding!
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 14, 2019, 09:10:32 AM
Regarding the rumour, it's not something I can validate either. That said, HN (and Chris M, formerly of Omega Underground) are hardly Scified so regardless I would expect this does come from somewhere they genuinely trust. Not some randomer in their emails.
Yeah, I'll vouch for Christopher Marc (HudsonGAMEOVERMANGAMEOVER) as well. Been using his intel for years and it's usually proven to be solid. In fact, I've just updated Ridley Scott's
Merlin Saga thread with some new info from him.
My guess it's either Isolation cut-scene style graphics as a short film, or those animated Instagram posts we had in a longer form.
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Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 14, 2019, 09:10:32 AM
Regarding the rumour, it's not something I can validate either. That said, HN (and Chris M, formerly of Omega Underground) are hardly Scified so regardless I would expect this does come from somewhere they genuinely trust. Not some randomer in their emails.
Yeah, I'll vouch for Christopher Marc (HudsonGAMEOVERMANGAMEOVER) as well. Been using his intel for years and it's usually proven to be solid. In fact, I've just updated Ridley Scott's Merlin Saga thread with some new info from him.
You're gonna make me blush.
We had posted character breakdowns and production crew info for RAISED BY WOLVES not too long ago. Also had a bunch of intel on Blomkamp's GREENLAND before he exited and we interviewed Ed Neumeier about ROBOCOP RETURNS along his plans for a STARSHIP TROOPERS TV series.. Like I said, I've been doing this a for a long time and have sources.. I'm gonna try to be more active on the forums leading up to ALIEN DAY
I'd like to see a really strong mini series (6-8 episodes) rather than something longer that gets stretched too thin. Could actually do multiple mini-series, each having a different focus. Though I'd rather it not be the Amanda story. I'd like to see something different in a new series.
Makes sense that there's talk of a series, the IP is definitely great for a show! Though also makes sense that there is no developed show yet as they figure out which direction they want to take the franchise now. Also Ridley Scott's new series, "Raised by Wolves", sounds super cool(!) and seems to be dealing with similar themes that David & synthetics explore. So doubtful an Alien series would be heavily synthetic focused. Do you think they would do a Predator series? I'd personally rather see an Alien one.
Looking forward to Watch and those Tongal shorts. Any news on when we get to see those? Maybe those will help decide which direction a series may take? Depending on what people respond to them?
Jumping into the convo...
I have been gunning for this type of show for years. It is the only way to fix the franchise properly. Im willing to bet that one series will be A:CM based and veer into the AVP stuff or that they will eventually merge the main series with AVP. If they decide to keep them separate, Ive always thought 1 AvP ANIMATED series would be great and the other exclusively all the corners of Alien franchise
After the roaring success of ACM, I doubt it'll have anything to do with Colonial Marines for some time, I could be wrong though.
I like the idea of an animated AVP Series and a live-action Alien Series, however the fact Ridley Scott's a producer on one makes me think that one of the two series will directly connect to, or even finish David's story- which is bizarre but considering the place Covenant ends in, you might need about ten episodes worth of runtime to finish the story. If that's the case I hope the budget's bigger than GOT.
Man, imagine, 10 episodes of juiciness, not to mention the characterisation you'll be able to pull off. Yep, I think things have got to the point where a series is necessary to flesh out all of Riddlez' crazy ideas.
I would actually prefer for David's story to be finished in a series rather than in a movie for the very same reasons that were mentioned above. More screen time, more story, more development. I only do worry about the budget and quality of things. I have no idea about the budget of GOT, but knowing what a popular series it is, I can't imagine anything alien related getting the same budget as the insanely popular GOT. I hope I'm wrong though.
Also, I'd really be up for exploring the different time zones and even EU of the series. A season of AVP in the future, with marines. A season post A3 as a closed off, claustrophobic, more intimate, smaller scale story. Post A:R, a look at the new world of the more distant future. A season of David's finale and prequel stuff. I'd really be up for that if this was possible.
And here's me taking a stab at guessing the Watch part. I say animated/CGI mini series with Amanda. Have no clue about the complete run time. But knowing that people who know what's up are excited about it, I doubt it's shorter than 15 minutes, but I'd be surprised if it's anything longer than 60.
As I said, just guessing, not winding up my expectations, just having fun.
Ridley made a recent Hennessy commercial that looks better than most feature length movies. I wouldn't worry.
I'd rather Ridley complete his prequels in a third movie, if only form uniformity's sake. I think they're deserving enough to be a trilogy.
As far as a TV show, it would be cool if they could adapt some of the better books and comics and hopefully do them well. Make stories that aren't just related to the Ripley Alien saga.
Quote from: PsyKore on Feb 16, 2019, 06:20:45 AM
I'd rather Ridley complete his prequels in a third movie, if only form uniformity's sake. I think they're deserving enough to be a trilogy.
As far as a TV show, it would be cool if they could adapt some of the better books and comics and hopefully do them well. Make stories that aren't just related to the Ripley Alien saga.
The problem is, Disney's Alan Horn makes the calls concerning the movies and if ALIEN: COVENANT didn't find an audience as the box office returns compared to PROMETHEUS reflect, it's hard from a business standpoint to spend another $100 million on ALIEN: AWAKENING or what Ridley had in mind. He's got RAISED BY WOLVES and then Disney's MERLIN SAGA aka THE LOST YEARS... maybe that's his way of getting into the good graces with Disney... but there is a new oversight group at 20th Century Fox when the Disney-Fox merger completes with Emma Watts taking over for Stacey Snider, and Watts will then be directly reporting to Alan Horn... TV/streaming opens a lot of doors because viewership, not box office is what drives those projects instead of ticket sales
Tv streaming is the best way to close out Ridley's Alien prequels. IMO. This will allow for an in depth exploration into the engineers and the story will be fully extrapolated and fleshed out. It would feel cheap if the prequel loose ends were tied up in 1 film.
I would love to see some more LV-223
I am all for two Alien TV shows. 8)
Well, well, well... So many good souls TV shows!
I'm glad you said it.
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I am all for two Alien TV shows. 8)
Why stop at two?
The Alien Channel.
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Quote from: BishopShouldGo on Feb 16, 2019, 06:40:56 PM
I am all for two Alien TV shows. 8)
Why stop at two?
The Alien Channel.
Because they would ruin the party with a bunch of Predators...
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Quote from: BishopShouldGo on Feb 16, 2019, 06:40:56 PM
I am all for two Alien TV shows. 8)
Why stop at two?
The Alien Channel.
Because they would ruin the party with a bunch of Predators...
You don't need Predators to ruin the Alien Channel...
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I have a gut feeling that this is all going to amount to absolutely nothing.
Prithee No. :'(
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I have a gut feeling that this is all going to amount to absolutely nothing.
It seems to be our specialty.
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Quote from: The Old One on Feb 16, 2019, 04:34:42 PM
@Voodoo Magic
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I'm interested in the David TV Series ONLY IF Michael Fassbender is David. We need Ridley Scott and Michael Fassbender
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that means that the second show would be free to go off and do whatever it pleases.
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Quote from: CristianoRonaldo7 on Feb 17, 2019, 08:57:15 PM
I'm interested in the David TV Series ONLY IF Michael Fassbender is David. We need Ridley Scott and Michael Fassbender
Absolutely! Fassbender and Scott of go home!
Quote from: The Old One on Feb 15, 2019, 04:50:54 AM
After the roaring success of ACM, I doubt it'll have anything to do with Colonial Marines for some time, I could be wrong though.
I like the idea of an animated AVP Series and a live-action Alien Series, however the fact Ridley Scott's a producer on one makes me think that one of the two series will directly connect to, or even finish David's story- which is bizarre but considering the place Covenant ends in, you might need about ten episodes worth of runtime to finish the story. If that's the case I hope the budget's bigger than GOT.
I think it's important to consider that David doesnt really age, per se so he could be reintroduced at any point in the timeline.
He won't age but he'll fall, as all Gods must, one way or another.
So if there's going to be a series with Ridley Scott as an executive producer.. that doesn't necessarily mean it's a continuation of the prequel storyline, does it? I sure as hell hope so, but yeah.
Somehow I just don't see Fassy doing television.
Yeah. He's done television in the past, but I don't know if he's still open to it. Maybe Ridley can convince him, heh.
A lot of prominent film actors that wouldn't typically be thought of as willing to do TV have been delving into some pretty interesting limited run episodic projects, anthology series and such. Look at, say, True Detective.
Should we get a show to follow up on Alien: Covenant's cliffhanger, I don't imagine that the narrative would run longer than a season. Think of it as being like a miniseries. I could absolutely see Fassbender reprising his role for a project like that.
Agreed! I hope we'll get confirmation soon enough.
Me too.
"We need to know what we're dealin with"
Prithee.
I honestly wouldn't expect anything for quite some time. If something ever gets off the ground.
But I'm perfectly open to the concept of some limited Alien mini-series.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 21, 2019, 09:31:19 AM
I honestly wouldn't expect anything for quite some time. If something ever gets off the ground.
But I'm perfectly open to the concept of some limited Alien mini-series.
Only limited? Is it because you think a seasonal running series can hurt theatrical opportunities?
I know you were asking AP, but...
That, and I'd personally rather have something along the lines of Alien Black Mirror, or The Haunting Of Hill House- rather than Alien's version of The Walking Dead, aka strong start then slowly devolving into cliché crap that should've ended Seasons ago.
I totally agree that The Walking Dead should have ended seasons ago.
But then you have multiple seasons of shows like Game of Thrones and Breaking Bad that last for years and never overstays its welcome, and ends when the story calls for it. I don't see why an Alien television series cannot choose the latter and thrive multiple seasons as the story organically calls for it. That path would be much more pleasing to me than a limited series that if successful is suddenly extended for additional seasons for the almighty dollar, not because the story calls for it. *See Season 2 in production for Big Little Lies & Haunting of Hill House
Well, we're getting two series apparently- why not both? One with a monster of the week/season format, think Black Mirror- and the other an overarching character drama think Breaking Bad and A Game Of Thrones.
I'd be game for that! :)
I wouldn't mind an anthology series. Hour long episodes, explore some different ideas.
Yes!
I'm not sure how apt Game of Thrones is for an Alien comparison. GOT functions due to its expansive cast, locations, etc. which all lend to its complex, multi-layered story that branches in numerous directions at once. Something like Alien, however, is much more intimate, personal, and claustrophobic.
I think that the Alien films function as well as they do because each and every one takes on an entirely new tone and lives and breathes as its own unique piece, standing on its own two feet. I would love to see that sensibility reflected should Alien makes its way to television, and I think a True Detective-esque anthology structure would be the perfect way to explore that.
CBR are reporting that an R rated Animated series is what's in the works.
https://www.cbr.com/alien-animated-series-in-development/
Apparently It's a retelling of Isolation.
Existing thread here >> https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=61633.0 :)
Yeah, separate project.
Quote from: Huggs on Feb 20, 2019, 10:53:34 PM
Somehow I just don't see Fassy doing television.
He'll do it for Riddles. They are pals.
If Henry Cavill can be Geralt of Rivia (The Witcher Netflix) then why Fassy cannot do televison?
Yeah I don't see why he wouldn't, plus he has so much fun playing an A.I., he'd do it for sure.
Perhaps if it's just a few episodes long. I just hate to see Fassbender coming home from work and shutting the engineer door behind him , while looking for Shaw and screaming honey I'm home. ;D
;D Lol, maybe it'll be more like Cheers, though instead of alcohol it's pathogen and orgies. ;D
Only problem there is somebody's gonna have to sleep with cliff.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Feb 21, 2019, 11:25:35 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 21, 2019, 09:31:19 AM
I honestly wouldn't expect anything for quite some time. If something ever gets off the ground.
But I'm perfectly open to the concept of some limited Alien mini-series.
Only limited? Is it because you think a seasonal running series can hurt theatrical opportunities?
My vote is for each season to be a mini-series. It's the only way to fix the franchise at this point, and that way they can have different "corners" of the franchise stick to certain elements without stepping on other elements.
Indeed, dark corners.
So Mr H Reviews deleted his video shooting down this rumor... Not sure what to make of this.
If there are to be multiple anthology films, they should be in series formats of 7 to 12 episodes, so that the series is properly fleshed out. This isn't the Twilight Zone where stories can be contained in 45 minutes. I am up for exploring all corners of the Aliens universe, and even alternate realities. I would even love to see a continuation from where Resurrection left off, but that would require a host of actors that I am sure would not be up for it. There could even be a series of interrogations of Morse filled with Alien 3 flashbacks. Or the Alien 3 and A:R could be totally ignored for something alternate. Would be cool.
At this time, I am hoping for a really decent retelling of the Amanda Ripley adventure on Sevastopol. That Alien Isolation is a gift that keeps on giving...
I don't expect any alternate tellings out of these potential series, most likely one will be a full-blown conclusion to the Prequels. The rest, stories post AR to avoid continuity confusion.
I kinda see them playing around post-A3 more than I do post-AR, to be honest. At least for an initial miniseries. That way they still have the familiar Weyland-Yutani, tech design, etc. Unless they go full Blomkamp, of course.
I can easily see them going post-AR in dates alone, but acting aesthetically and otherwise like it's post Alien, Aliens, Alien³ era.
I don't see it. I figure that the run of books from Titan was intended to prove a point about which time-line people liked best. If my memory serves me correctly, Sea of Sorrows did not fare well. I'd love to see a series in this time line, but I doubt it would happen. The amount of people who care is negligible.
I expect that there will be the Amanda Isolation tale, and a full on conclusion to Alien Covenant.
It proved no point since all three books are complete shite.
People don't know if they like a timeframe they haven't been introduced to yet, with all the bells and whistles of the Trilogy. With none of the continuity baggage.
Hey folks!
We have a massive update from our Alien live-action series rumor from last month (I first reported about it in July at OmegaUnderground). Deadline has not only confirmed that it was indeed being mulled over at Fox and Ridley Scott's Scott Free would have produced. But added that Legion/Fargo series creator Noah Hawley was attempting to an Alien miniseries for FX. Fox's Stacey Snider was blocking it from happening but with her being replaced with Disney's Alan Horn, it could still happen but where is a little unclear as Hulu is indeed a good spot for it since Disney+ will be a family friendly streaming service. The status, of course, is up in the air but Disney seems interested with Hawley as Marvel's Kevin Feige met with him about continuing his Doctor Doom script for them post-merger.
https://twitter.com/HNEsocial/status/1109140453952274432
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Keep it way from FX. 7 years of a biker gang that couldn't even say the word f**k.
HBO or similar please.
Don't defang the beast.
Agreed. Hulu's a good idea.
Quote from: Huggs on Mar 22, 2019, 06:55:49 PM
Keep it way from FX. 7 years of a biker gang that couldn't even say the word f**k.
HBO or similar please.
Don't defang the beast.
Disney now owns Fox, if they end up making it'll likely land on FX or HULU.. also, I remember Fargo (on FX) being pretty violent lots of blood and gore
I don't see Disney giving their new IP over to competitors like Warner Bros. (owns HBO)...
Quote from: HudsonGAMEOVERMANGAMEOVER on Mar 22, 2019, 07:01:27 PM
Quote from: Huggs on Mar 22, 2019, 06:55:49 PM
Keep it way from FX. 7 years of a biker gang that couldn't even say the word f**k.
HBO or similar please.
Don't defang the beast.
Disney now owns Fox, if they end up making it'll likely land on FX or HULU.. also, I remember Fargo (on FX) being pretty violent lots of blood and gore
I don't see Disney giving their new IP over to competitors like Warner Bros. (owns HBO)...
It's not about violence. Sons had plenty of violence, but went the entire series only being able to say sh*t and d*mn. It was unrealistic of human behavior, especially of those within a violent subculture, and took me right out of the experience. I don't believe an alien film or series that has to watch its language is a good idea. Look at what happened with the aliens novelization.
Does FX allow egg-barfing?
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Mar 22, 2019, 07:55:08 PM
Does FX allow egg-barfing?
They allowed a scalpel in the ear and burned tiggs daughter alive in front of him.
But heaven forbid somebody drop the f word. Like every 10 year old in America doesn't use it religiously.
They wouldnt even include it and just mute it on tv, then release it uncut only Blu-ray and DVD. Thank god they didn't butcher Hannibal with such nonsense.
This is the 21st century. Censorship deserves no place in modern society.
Agreed Huggs.
I'm a supporter of the notion that, "if you don't like it, don't watch it". The artist and their audience should not have their work or experience limited just to appease a small group of people who could easily just change the channel.
It beggars the imagination that someone could be fine with violence and Gore, but not okay with the f word. Talk about screwed up values.
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Agreed Huggs?
100% Correct Huggs?
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Quote from: Huggs on Mar 22, 2019, 07:45:05 PMIt's not about violence. Sons had plenty of violence, but went the entire series only being able to say sh*t and d*mn. It was unrealistic of human behavior, especially of those within a violent subculture, and took me right out of the experience.
Yeah, back when I actually watched
The Walking Dead, it wound/cracked me up no end that you could see a zombie tear a man's eyeball out with its teeth, but heaven forbid you see a nipple or someone saying a swears!
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Quote from: Huggs on Mar 22, 2019, 07:45:05 PMIt's not about violence. Sons had plenty of violence, but went the entire series only being able to say sh*t and d*mn. It was unrealistic of human behavior, especially of those within a violent subculture, and took me right out of the experience.
Yeah, back when I actually watched The Walking Dead, it wound/cracked me up no end that you could see a zombie tear a man's eyeball out with its teeth, but heaven forbid you see a nipple or someone saying a swears!
No doubt.
Rick can throat bite a dudes esophagus out, but the dirtiest thing I remember anybody saying was when dude asked to see Hershel's stump. Granted, it was important data :laugh:
Noah Hawley is great. I absolutely love what I saw of Fargo.
I still want Ridley's third prequel to take precedence, but if we are going to delve into Alien as a miniseries, Hawley is a pretty excellent choice to hand the reigns to.
The first Fargo series is excellent.
This would have been great even if each episode was a short story. A set of five stories from five directors/film workers doing five different stories set in the alien universe. Some could just ignore the alien entierly and be about the company and a synthetic life form like David and his or her inner dialog and how it may differ from what he or she is actuly expressing and showing to human beings.
just going to chuck this in here. its important to note that the initial report and the follow up report stated things were in development, an idea, being pitched, is not in development. also, the same report that is being used to confirm this narrative also states that disney plans to only let fox release four movies and four streaming services per year.
I highly doubt any of those will be the alien franchise.
the same article being used to try and confirm something, also proves its false. enjoy.
https://youtu.be/UW1vDm000yE
I hadn't revisited our report from January but we actually mentioned Noah Hawley in there because our source had mentioned him in describing the information, a Noah Hawley type series. They didn't come out and say he was involved but it adds some legitimacy to the source for sure.
"Details are scarce at the moment but there might be multiple seasons that could tackle different corners/eras of the franchise, not unlike Noah Hawley's series Fargo."
https://twitter.com/HNEsocial/status/1095816659808501761
Quote from: MrH on Mar 23, 2019, 02:33:46 PM
just going to chuck this in here. its important to note that the initial report and the follow up report stated things were in development, an idea, being pitched, is not in development. also, the same report that is being used to confirm this narrative also states that disney plans to only let fox release four movies and four streaming services per year.
I highly doubt any of those will be the alien franchise.
the same article being used to try and confirm something, also proves its false. enjoy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UW1vDm000yE
Full disclosure myself and Mr. H had a bit of a blowout last month and he has a bit of an axe to grind with myself.
no axe to grind at all, im just sharing a counter opinion and I detailed quotes references and sources in the video description. no axe to grind at all. the facts speak for themselves and im just sharing it.
lets not be petty, nothing about my post or my video shows I have an axe to grind.
on the contrary, its just journalism, you have to quote, you have to reference. again, lets not be childish here. its standard journalism practices.
Quote from: HudsonGAMEOVERMANGAMEOVER on Mar 23, 2019, 02:36:12 PM
I hadn't revisited our report from January but we actually mentioned Noah Hawley in there because our source had mentioned him in describing the information, a Noah Hawley type series. They didn't come out and say he was involved but it adds some legitimacy to the source for sure.
"Details are scarce at the moment but there might be multiple seasons that could tackle different corners/eras of the franchise, not unlike Noah Hawley's series Fargo."
https://twitter.com/HNEsocial/status/1095816659808501761
Quote from: MrH on Mar 23, 2019, 02:33:46 PM
just going to chuck this in here. its important to note that the initial report and the follow up report stated things were in development, an idea, being pitched, is not in development. also, the same report that is being used to confirm this narrative also states that disney plans to only let fox release four movies and four streaming services per year.
I highly doubt any of those will be the alien franchise.
the same article being used to try and confirm something, also proves its false. enjoy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UW1vDm000yE
Full disclosure myself and Mr. H had a bit of a blowout last month and he has a bit of an axe to grind with me.
Quote from: MrH on Mar 23, 2019, 02:38:47 PM
no axe to grind at all, im just sharing a counter opinion and I detailed quotes references and sources in the video description. no axe to grind at all. the facts speak for themselves and im just sharing it.
lets not be petty, nothing about my post or my video shows I have an axe to grind.
on the contrary, its just journalism, you have to quote, you have to reference. again, lets not be childish here. its standard journalism practices.
If you were sharing an opinion you should have been a little more upfront it was just an opinion and you don't have a lot of your own information to refute things, making an opinion video isn't actual journalism it's just an editorial. Journalism is sourcing which we did and why we may have actually mentioned Noah Hawley in our reporting from January, which you pointed out. Everything is up in the air at Fox as Disney cleans house and what does and doesn't get made is very unclear. I wouldn't be making any declarations that stuff won't be made when you have no idea what Alan Horn will be doing with the IP within the next year.
If you want to hash this out on Twitter we can, I'll unblock you right now. I don't hold grudges but I don't like letting my temper get the best of me so I removed you before that even took.
the video opens with stating its an editorial..... ???
in editorials you can reference, journalism by definition is the following - "the activity or profession of writing for newspapers, magazines, or news websites or preparing news to be broadcast"
that accounts for editorials and opinion pieces, I sourced the facts, which I say in the video and I link in the description box, thats journalism, by literal definition.......
I have no axe to grind, I merely plotted everything, I referenced everything, I gave every fact there was, even the ones that had been left out from your article I believe, I even referenced myself.
but this is just journalism, just another opinion, why should yours be the only one in the mix? ??? you dont have a monopoly on this and when I clearly see some misreporting, I wanted to outline the entire facts. a pitch, is not, absolutely not, development.
appreciate the incredibly kind gesture of unblocking me, but I won't be graciously accepting. I literally only came here to post my video, because I felt the opposing view was a good one. and then you said I had an axe to grind, which is incorrect. completely.
take care :)
Quote from: MrH on Mar 23, 2019, 02:50:10 PM
the video opens with stating its an editorial..... ???
in editorials you can reference, journalism by definition is the following - "the activity or profession of writing for newspapers, magazines, or news websites or preparing news to be broadcast"
that accounts for editorials and opinion pieces, I sourced the facts, which I say in the video and I link in the description box, thats journalism, by literal definition.......
I have no axe to grind, I merely plotted everything, I referenced everything, I gave every fact there was, even the ones that had been left out from your article I believe, I even referenced myself.
but this is just journalism, just another opinion, why should yours be the only one in the mix? ??? you dont have a monopoly on this and when I clearly see some misreporting, I wanted to outline the entire facts. a pitch, is not, absolutely not, development.
appreciate the incredibly kind gesture of unblocking me, but I won't be graciously accepting. I literally only came here to post my video, because I felt the opposing view was a good one. and then you said I had an axe to grind, which is incorrect. completely.
take care :)
Fair enough, I guess nobody needs to be friends.
I think I'd respect that video more if you weren't calling me out by name and instead of simply mentioning my outlet which is the norm, and then trying to insert yourself when you offer next to zero of your own information and seemingly really only have a semantics issue. So yeah, I feel that is trying to make it personal from my perspective. Editorials are fine when the person does them isn't acting as a gatekeeper to the franchise being covered and seemingly more concerned about their own status of information sharing. I get people are super protective of this stuff. I started out here on the boards of AVPGalaxy in the early 2000s before I assume most people currently on here were even born. I also cover many many different projects and have a long-standing record of reporting stuff beyond this franchise. I wish I could see this video as some vetting of the stuff I put out but it feels/sounds a little more accusatory and petty.
your view of journalism and mine are clearly different then, but if you are the source and not the outlet itself and you change outlets, its a pretty important factor, in my view.
therefore your name should have been mentioned, because its a piece to the puzzle.
I dont care where you started, I dont care about your history, none of that is relevant to me just posting my video. again, lets not be petty or childish about it all. you dont have the monopoly. let your journalism do the talking if you're so confident in it :)
anyway, this has been, something, im off like I said I was, if you want to contact me directly, my email address is in every video description.
On topic... Noah Hawley's a good choice.
Quote from: The Old One on Mar 23, 2019, 05:24:32 PM
On topic... Noah Hawley's a good choice.
Totally, Fargo is amazing. I couldn't really get into Legion though it was a little too non-linear and all over the place for me.
He's also making the jump to film with his feature film debut Lucy In The Sky, talked to someone who has seen it and they really liked it. Plus, Noah revealed that Marvel's Feige Kevin met with him about continuing work on his Doctor Doom script.
I worked first hand with Noah on The Unusuals. Based on our conversations he would have been a good choice to spearhead this.
I think most people would like to see a TV series. The quality these days can be just as good as movies and it's a pretty big incentive to jump onto a new service. I'm currently on Netflix only, but I'd for sure pay for another service if it had themes I was interested in.
Shorts would be my pick, but shorts would probably pump up the costs.
Do it, Do it, Do it.
Honestly, I want a good series more than a movie right now. So yeah.. Do it.
Quote from: Still Collating... on Mar 24, 2019, 12:56:55 PM
Honestly, I want a good series more than a movie right now. So yeah.. Do it.
I definitely would prefer a good series over another David Ridley prequel, for sure.
Finish Ridley's David arc, and then move off in whatever direction you wish.
I certainly would not object to a project from Noah Hawley.
Or not. ;D
We had an "alien" in Covenant presumably because the studio knew that fans were clamouring for it. If the studio is listening, they won't allow Ridley to make Dave the creator of the Aliens. Under those circumstances, I say let Ridley make his film.
The flipside of that coin is whether Ridley would agree to do a sequel if he couldn't do it exactly the way he wanted.
The impression I got was that he was very much the boss when it came to Covenant, and the studio largely deferred to him. Whether that's still the case after the movie under-performed, I couldn't say.
I would like a series to be set just after A3 and dealing with W-Y final comeback to LV-426, establishing base near the Derlict and focusing on Alien research. It would fill the gap and gave us answer why USM had to go as far as cloning Ripley to get their hands on Alien.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 24, 2019, 01:29:12 PM
Finish Ridley's David arc, and then move off in whatever direction you wish.
I certainly would not object to a project from Noah Hawley.
This.
Quote from: Master on Mar 24, 2019, 03:29:32 PM
I would like a series to be set just after A3 and dealing with W-Y final comeback to LV-426, establishing base near the Derlict and focusing on Alien research. It would fill the gap and gave us answer why USM had to go as far as cloning Ripley to get their hands on Alien.
That could be a good story to tell. Ideally leaving the appearance of any xenomorphs right up to the very end, if at all.
Good idea.
My preference is post-AR though, with all the bells and whistles of the Trilogy. With none of the continuity baggage.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Mar 24, 2019, 03:20:37 PM
The flipside of that coin is whether Ridley would agree to do a sequel if he couldn't do it exactly the way he wanted.
The impression I got was that he was very much the boss when it came to Covenant, and the studio largely deferred to him. Whether that's still the case after the movie under-performed, I couldn't say.
I got the exact opposite impression. Ridley Scott was vocal about the beast being toast and moving to a new direction and then we got a delay in the development project and when the project came back, it was a bona fide alien movie. It really feels as if Fox demanded from Scott to dial down the Prometheus connection and include the big chap.
Agreed Kane's Other Son;
One final Ridley Scott prequel. Under supervision, and/or collaboration.
Spoiler
Push the creator, creation angle even farther by revealing the SJ's created the Engineers eons ago, some cataclysm happened and they disappeared. They discovered the Alien, it destroyed them. The Engineers, millennia later inherited their technology.
The Pathogen, which the SJs derived from the Alien, somehow (the audience isn't told) is all that remains of that Galactic extinction event. Ruins, and technological remains. The SJ's wanted to fight fire with fire with the Pathogen, but the Pathogen- although destructive to worlds- couldn't infect or best the Alien. In fact it always worked it's way towards something resembling the Alien more and more with each use. All the Space Jockey's race die, all but a few. They're effectively extinct.
So the Engineers, in their hubris- flying too close to the sun, make the same mistakes in using this almost "seductively" powerful Pathogen, believing they can control it- it leaves their civilizations in ruins LV-223 being the source of the main disaster, which they abandon. So obviously they banish the Wolf, undo their creation but in the process become the insular and primitive society we see in Covenant.
David gets the wrong end of the stick, believes he's creating something original but in reality it is guiding him to almost supernaturally, resurrect the Alien from extinction. He would realise this when he discovers the Derelict, or the Derelict discovers him- and that would be his grand downfall- not just physically but mentally.
Spoiler
Do it.
Spoiler
A talented team and a new vision afterwards.
Pay me, 20th Century Fox/Disney. ;D
Quote from: The Old One on Mar 25, 2019, 12:21:16 AM
Agreed Kane's Other Son;
One final Ridley Scott prequel. Under supervision, and/or collaboration.
Spoiler
Push the creator, creation angle even farther by revealing the SJ's created the Engineers eons ago, some cataclysm happened and they disappeared. They discovered the Alien, it destroyed them. The Engineers, millennia later inherited their technology.
The Pathogen, which the SJs derived from the Alien, somehow (the audience isn't told) is all that remains of that Galactic extinction event. Ruins, and technological remains. The SJ's wanted to fight fire with fire with the Pathogen, but the Pathogen- although destructive to worlds- couldn't infect or best the Alien. In fact it always worked it's way towards something resembling the Alien more and more with each use. All the Space Jockey's race die, all but a few. They're effectively extinct.
So the Engineers, in their hubris- flying too close to the sun, make the same mistakes in using this almost "seductively" powerful Pathogen, believing they can control it- it leaves their civilizations in ruins LV-223 being the source of the main disaster, which they abandon. So obviously they banish the Wolf, undo their creation but in the process become the insular and primitive society we see in Covenant.
David gets the wrong end of the stick, believes he's creating something original but in reality it is guiding him to almost supernaturally, resurrect the Alien from extinction. He would realise this when he discovers the Derelict, or the Derelict discovers him- and that would be his grand downfall- not just physically but mentally.
Spoiler
Do it.
Spoiler
A talented team and a new vision afterwards.
Pay me, 20th Century Fox/Disney. ;D
The Old One, I am not down with your resistance to the Alien 3 retcon, but the above thing you wrote is right on the money! That saves everything that Covenant screws up, allowing the derelict to remain ancient and mysterious. All we need to do is show GLIMPSES of the real space jockey. Literally, one scene where one of those things is seen moving in the shadows.
You can literally have David eggmorph everyone on the Covenant and make us believe it will be the derelict on LV426. Then it turns out that derelict was already there and it's not the same one.
Somebody please go film this!
No "Morphing" but thank you. 8)
Ya, I'm not married to morphing either. I've always been rather ambivalent about that idea.
I guess what I'm trying to get across as a cool thing is the idea that everyone expects the people in the Covenant to play a hand in creating the eggs on the LV-426 derelict, but your idea subverts that.
Just as long as we don't get a universe littered with derelicts...
Lucy in the Sky looks good.
Let's do this.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Mar 24, 2019, 03:20:37 PM
The flipside of that coin is whether Ridley would agree to do a sequel if he couldn't do it exactly the way he wanted.
The impression I got was that he was very much the boss when it came to Covenant, and the studio largely deferred to him. Whether that's still the case after the movie under-performed, I couldn't say.
mmm, I would have said the opposite. Seemed more to me like Ridley had a plan set out, the Studio said nah put the Alien in it and then we ended up with Covenant.
I'd imagine that's why the third one is so sticky. Do you go Alien or Prom.....
Quote from: The Old One on Mar 25, 2019, 12:21:16 AM
Agreed Kane's Other Son;
One final Ridley Scott prequel. Under supervision, and/or collaboration.
Spoiler
Push the creator, creation angle even farther by revealing the SJ's created the Engineers eons ago, some cataclysm happened and they disappeared. They discovered the Alien, it destroyed them. The Engineers, millennia later inherited their technology.
The Pathogen, which the SJs derived from the Alien, somehow (the audience isn't told) is all that remains of that Galactic extinction event. Ruins, and technological remains. The SJ's wanted to fight fire with fire with the Pathogen, but the Pathogen- although destructive to worlds- couldn't infect or best the Alien. In fact it always worked it's way towards something resembling the Alien more and more with each use. All the Space Jockey's race die, all but a few. They're effectively extinct.
So the Engineers, in their hubris- flying too close to the sun, make the same mistakes in using this almost "seductively" powerful Pathogen, believing they can control it- it leaves their civilizations in ruins LV-223 being the source of the main disaster, which they abandon. So obviously they banish the Wolf, undo their creation but in the process become the insular and primitive society we see in Covenant.
David gets the wrong end of the stick, believes he's creating something original but in reality it is guiding him to almost supernaturally, resurrect the Alien from extinction. He would realise this when he discovers the Derelict, or the Derelict discovers him- and that would be his grand downfall- not just physically but mentally.
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Do it.
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A talented team and a new vision afterwards.
Pay me, 20th Century Fox/Disney. ;D
That...
...is actually briliant idea. I also wanted Engineers to be Jockey creation. This should be done, not as a series, but as a motion picture. Three hours long and expensive.
As Sheev Palpatine said; "Do it." :D
So I've been very curious as to when Emma shot Noah down. I don't see any reports on when this happened.
Was this before Covenant, when they still had huge hopes for the franchise because Prometheus was a success?
Or was this after Covenant, meaning she still had high hopes despite Covenant's disappointment?
Yeah I'm curious too. We need answers! :o
Curious indeed.
It all just makes me believe that Fox is trying to relive the glory days and are unable to accept what the franchise is and where it is now.
Television is not only cheaper but because you can stream your also not entirely beholden to the networks. So not only can you get away with a smaller budget, you can still do things that otherwise you can't do on network television. A show also does not have to be 12 episodes but you can do 6 and still get away with it with minimal creature FX. It's not only better to use the creature sparingly but it's wanted and expected by the fan base to use the Alien in sparing and creepy ways. You can get away with minimal usage of the Alien in an Alien product, it is possible.
I get the want to keep it in theaters but if your fanbase is eager to consume content but you can't muster the money to put it in theaters, your not going to convince investors or producers of a big budget franchise if your prior products are going downhill. People will put out the money for Alien, they will not put out theatrical dollars for it. Now a streaming show is definitely the way to go and Fox has an outlet with Hulu, so why not stay streaming until the franchise is capable of supporting a big budget release again.
On a slight tangent:
Band of Brothers is coming back to TV in the UK and seeing the trailer for it today reminded me just how superb and cinematic TV can be these days.
Indeed, both are equally viable mediums.
Quote from: The Old OneDavid gets the wrong end of the stick, believes he's creating something original but in reality it is guiding him to almost supernaturally, resurrect the Alien from extinction.
This has been my thinking the entire time tbh, probably why I've always been so okay with covvie.
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On a slight tangent:
Band of Brothers is coming back to TV in the UK and seeing the trailer for it today reminded me just how superb and cinematic TV can be these days.
It's good, but it's no Call of Duty, man :D
QuoteStar Trek is not the only iconic franchise Hawley has pushed to dabble with as a creator. In March 2019, it was reported that he had pitched FX on a miniseries set within the Alien universe. The Disney-Fox merger may have ended those hopes for now, but we're hoping for a potential return based on Hawley's angle in. Namely: it's about the people, not the xenomorphs.
"Alien is on some level the complete opposite of Stark Trek. It's sort of about humanity at its worst," he said. "There's this moment in the second film when Sigourney says, 'I don't know which species is worse. At least they don't screw each other over for a percentage.' If you look at what Aliens tends to be, it's usually a trapped story – trapped in a ship, trapped in a prison, etc. And because the Alien has this life cycle to it, where it goes from egg, to chestburster, to xenomorph, there becomes a certain routine to it."
He continued: "I thought it would be interesting if you could expand. If you're going to make something for television, you've got 10 hours let's say. Even if you have a lot of action, like two hours, then you're still going to have eight hours left. So what is the show about? That's what I tried to talk to them about. As I did with Legion, the exercise is: Let's take the superhero stuff out of the show and see if it's still a great show. What's the show about? Let's take the Alien out of the show. What's the show about? What are the themes, who are the characters and what is the human drama? Then we drop the aliens back in and we go, 'This is great. Not only is there great human drama, but there's aliens!'"
https://observer.com/2020/09/noah-hawley-star-trek-movie-details-alien-miniseries-pitch-fx/
Damn, I wish they went with this -especially as it becomes more and more obvious that the franchise's future lies in streamers.
I read
"I thought it would be interesting if you could expand"I read
"Let's take the Alien out of the show. What's the show about?"I immediately think of
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But you know what, I think this could be well done nicely. They just have to choose the elements we love as fans in order to make the journey enjoyable for everyone and not so esoteric like the prequels. Everything else is pure good execution.
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I like Hawley. What I've seen of Fargo is excellent. Would have been curious to see this play out.
I'd wonder how much of that expanded universe exists in Alien isolation. You can't tell me they would retool an existing universe and negate the game as canon?
Sure they would. Especially with the franchise shifting hands again.
Hell, they were even considering wiping out one third of the actual movies a few years ago.
The constant, forced, cringey musical numbers in Legion sucked, otherwise i liked the almost experimental vibe, but overall i dont trust this guy to make the franchise justice.
Ripley was referring more to executive types, not those around her. The films tended to show humanity when pushed to the brink, not at its worst.
I think that is great Storytelling. At first make the basics right and create characters you care for.
All about the company crooks and the droids and space pirates and all that. HBO would be a better fit then FX.
Great headline, Corporal
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"...And because the Alien has this life cycle to it, where it goes from egg, to chestburster, to xenomorph, there becomes a certain routine to it."
Translation: The beast is cooked. :laugh:
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He continued: "I thought it would be interesting if you could expand. If you're going to make something for television, you've got 10 hours let's say. Even if you have a lot of action, like two hours, then you're still going to have eight hours left. So what is the show about? That's what I tried to talk to them about. As I did with Legion, the exercise is: Let's take the superhero stuff out of the show and see if it's still a great show. What's the show about? Let's take the Alien out of the show. What's the show about? What are the themes, who are the characters and what is the human drama? Then we drop the aliens back in and we go, 'This is great. Not only is there great human drama, but there's aliens!'"
He's saying all the right things here. But nothing a good writer is unaware of.
"Let's take the Alien out of the show. What's the show about?"In TV, 9 times out of 10, if you take the X out of the show, what the show is about, is
family.
OK, a bit of exaggeration there, but it's true of
Madam Secretary, it's true of
Big Bang Theory, it's true of
Agents of Shield. Even a police procedural like
NCIS:LA - family.
Not that there's anything wrong with that, it's the way you tell it that counts. It would fit in with an Alien series too. After all,
Aliens '86 was about motherhood. That's pretty close.
TC
Regarding Noah Hawley's Legion, far superior to the source material, highly creative with perhaps the best promotional material for a story of this kind that accurately reflects the experience itself. I'm conflicted on whether he's right for Alien, but he's certainly talented, and definitely showed potential with horror. He's got a habit of hiding rot in beauty but can do the genuinely eerie when it takes his fancy much like the main A.I design itself in Alien 1979, Aliens 1986, Alien³ 1992 and Isolation.
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Ripley was referring more to executive types, not those around her. The films tended to show humanity when pushed to the brink, not at its worst.
Agreed. Alien is more about ordinary people facing an extraordinary adversary and doing their best to survive it. "Humanity at its worst" is the Mad Max movies.
Alien is more about the corporations and the military industrial complex being evil ? And the blue collar and grunts or anyone below the rich and powerful being expendable ???
I don't like his vision. I hope he doesn't get a chance.
Better is a series about explorers, other worlds and ancient civilizations. With scientists and adventurers in the lead roles. No boring family relationships, personal experiences and etc. Alien is not like Star Trek? OK bro, don't be nervous, calm down. Do it like Star Gate!
Maybe build a series around a relative of Hicks (or any other member of the squad), that wants to investigate what really happened on LV426...
Maybe they hire ex-marines or mercs to go investigate...
Maybe when they arrive they discover the original derelict was far enough away from Hadley's Hope to have survived the blast...
Maybe a few eggs remained in place...
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Quote from: Xenomorphine on Sep 25, 2020, 05:54:30 PM
Ripley was referring more to executive types, not those around her. The films tended to show humanity when pushed to the brink, not at its worst.
Agreed. Alien is more about ordinary people facing an extraordinary adversary and doing their best to survive it. "Humanity at its worst" is the Mad Max movies.
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Alien is more about the corporations and the military industrial complex being evil ? And the blue collar and grunts or anyone below the rich and powerful being expendable ???
The Alien universe is extremely capitalist at the very extreme expense of your average day to day person; employees are quite literally replaceable and the means to a very grisly end. And yeah, of course it is more individuals within the company than the company itself causing this, but all of the figures like Burke and Bishop II that have gone to these extremes have done it in the name of their position in the company and the almighty dollar and at the expense of their fellow man, even fellow company employees. Ordinary people are pushed to the brink
because human corporate greed pushed them there. So I'd say that Hawley is absolutely correct when he says "It's sort of about humanity at its worst" in reference to the Alien franchise and its depiction of the future.
This guy, Noah Hawley, sounds like he had the right idea. Compelling humans and human drama is what was missing from all of the post Alien 3 films. Prometheus and Alien Covenant tried but failed this. This TV series could have done wonders for saving the franchise.
Hopefully Disney will reconsider, especially now with Disney Plus.
Why not, but first I would like to see Ridley Scott continuation of Prometheus / Covenant, on tv or cinema.
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Regarding Noah Hawley's Legion, far superior to the source material, highly creative with perhaps the best promotional material for a story of this kind that accurately reflects the experience itself. I'm conflicted on whether he's right for Alien, but he's certainly talented, and definitely showed potential with horror. He's got a habit of hiding rot in beauty but can do the genuinely eerie when it takes his fancy. Spoilers for Legion if you care:
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Also if you can not appreciate a phenomenally choreographed dance off as a valid, storytelling device, you're a lost cause.
Damn I miss that show, although it's always best to leave the fans wanting more than to drag on until the inevitable drop in quality. Legitimately made my head hurt at times, but I still loved it. :)
I hope hulk will resurrct this sereies and I want to see the marines in if it it didn't matter if there on there for a short time and I want it to be dark rated r and have a good mix of horror and action
I adored Noah Hawley's Legion myself if you can guess, so much, I'm myself glad it never got dragged out beyond arguably some instances in the middle chapter. I do think he's ultimately got the right idea for Alien story comes first but wonder if he will get the freedom, I thought his questionable Directoral debut suffered from being forced into a pre-existing narrative and hope it's not what people, particularly ones in charge measure him by for future projects. Though perhaps he may take inspiration from things such as Glass Corridor, Sacrifice, Salvation, Survival, Inhuman Condition, Labyrinth, Wraith, Alchemy, Dust To Dust and Dead Orbit or even Alien The Cold Forge.
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Yeah, this exists. It is called Bladerunner
That was too snarky. But seriously, they are supposed to be in the same universe and time period. What I would do to drive the story is [Cut to Earth / post Aliens action]: Show the BR Los Angeles with the familiar themes, including "Offworld, Find your Paradise" blimps. Have a low-mid class bar (indoor/outdoor) with a sexy/tough couple barely fitting in. They are pretending to drink and cuddle, but are watching a newsfeed of the ALIENS story, but the facts are wrong, total propaganda, then the news moves on. INTRO: A woman meets them, this was planned thru backchanels, she is mid-management for a Wayland competitor. They want to scoop the bio-weapon but dont know what it is, or what exactly went wrong with the Weyland attempts. Our super solid couple are replicants, and the entire story is a crew of replicants with one human embedded, from the competition company. Maybe this is the replicant Mfg, explaning how this crew is self-determined. The entire story presents the future of humanity/humane growth as a set of conflicts between 'natural' humans vs Mfg humans vs. Xenos with a late mixing of Engineers and maybe even a Pred ship.
They are neither the same universe nor time period.
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Yeah, this exists. It is called Bladerunner
I don't seem to recall any Aliens in
Blade Runner.
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Quote from: PM Johnson on Sep 26, 2020, 11:56:48 PM
Yeah, this exists. It is called Bladerunner
I don't seem to recall any Aliens in Blade Runner.
Of course you don't recall any Aliens in
Blade Runner ;)
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Quote from: Drukathi on Sep 26, 2020, 09:36:23 AM
Better is a series about explorers, other worlds and ancient civilizations. With scientists and adventurers in the lead roles. No boring family relationships, personal experiences and etc. Alien is not like Star Trek? OK bro, don't be nervous, calm down. Do it like Star Gate!
I llike the ancient trope as one of the many elements featured in a story, ala Rised by Wolves, but not as the whole thing.
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Quote from: PM Johnson on Sep 26, 2020, 11:56:48 PM
Yeah, this exists. It is called Bladerunner
I don't seem to recall any Aliens in Blade Runner.
Of course you don't recall any Aliens in Blade Runner ;)
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Cake, however. That I do have very fond memories of.
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Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Sep 27, 2020, 12:34:17 PM
Quote from: PM Johnson on Sep 26, 2020, 11:56:48 PM
Yeah, this exists. It is called Bladerunner
I don't seem to recall any Aliens in Blade Runner.
I think this was meant as a response to the TV show pitch of what happens if you have an Alien style universe but without the aliens. Megacorporations, robots who want to be human... Yup, sounds like Blade Runner.
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Quote from: PM Johnson on Sep 26, 2020, 11:56:48 PM
Yeah, this exists. It is called Bladerunner
I don't seem to recall any Aliens in Blade Runner.
I think this was meant as a response to the TV show pitch of what happens if you have an Alien style universe but without the aliens. Megacorporations, robots who want to be human... Yup, sounds like Blade Runner.
But nothing Hawley's statement mentioned anything about the show not having Aliens.
His exact quote was as follows:
"As I did with Legion, the exercise is: Let's take the superhero stuff out of the show and see if it's still a great show. What's the show about? Let's take the Alien out of the show. What's the show about? What are the themes, who are the characters and what is the human drama? Then we drop the aliens back in and we go, 'This is great. Not only is there great human drama, but there's aliens!'"The
"Let's take the Alien out of the show" bit isn't at all him saying that there won't be Aliens; it is just step one in his creative process of figuring out the characters and and the narrative and making sure that they're interesting even when the Aliens aren't on screen.
But reading a whole paragraph is difficult.
You should be rereading DOTS anyway.
Ah yes. I must remind my book club.
I loved Legion. Also loved Fargo (I guess he worked on that show too) and I'm sure he could do a decent ALIEN mini series.
I don't know why people are taking that quote out of context. He very clearly says he would figure out the characters on their own merit to make them compelling and THEN throw the Xenos into the mix to dial that shit up to 11.
And I think Hawley totally has the right idea. Capitalism plus the greed, vanity, and power hunger of humanity could definitely be pulled out of the films, including Prometheus and Covenant. Thats a strong theme to work with.
Space explorers, ancient alien space archeologists/scientists, etc. Those aren't themes. Those are plot points and backdrop setups. BUT they could absolutely work with the themes of corporate capitalism and the expendability of humanity in the pursuit of wealth, power, technology all of which could culminate with discovering a Xenomorph which would represent a remarkable vessel that literally represents the pinnacle of science, violence, biological weaponry. The Xenos literally cannot thrive without destroying another species much like corporations are recklessly harming the world.
IMO the show could focus on a corporation, perhaps a subsidiary of Weyland Yutani or a rival that has also discovered a Xenomorph and the pursuit of the Xenomorph ends up being their undoing. It results in the destruction and death of their off-world colonies.
I'm thinking The Terror meets The Expanse.
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Quote from: PM Johnson on Sep 26, 2020, 11:56:48 PM
Yeah, this exists. It is called Bladerunner
I don't seem to recall any Aliens in Blade Runner.
I think this was meant as a response to the TV show pitch of what happens if you have an Alien style universe but without the aliens. Megacorporations, robots who want to be human... Yup, sounds like Blade Runner.
But nothing Hawley's statement mentioned anything about the show not having Aliens.
His exact quote was as follows: "As I did with Legion, the exercise is: Let's take the superhero stuff out of the show and see if it's still a great show. What's the show about? Let's take the Alien out of the show. What's the show about? What are the themes, who are the characters and what is the human drama? Then we drop the aliens back in and we go, 'This is great. Not only is there great human drama, but there's aliens!'"
The "Let's take the Alien out of the show" bit isn't at all him saying that there won't be Aliens; it is just step one in his creative process of figuring out the characters and and the narrative and making sure that they're interesting even when the Aliens aren't on screen.
I get that. Just trying to interpret the comment. I must admit, though, I thought Hawley's comments implied a show where the alien wouldn't appear that often.
You would have to hold them back a bit, naturally, but that's why it would be important that there's a good strong backbone there without the XTs themselves. There's absolutely nothing wrong with that mentality, and I think it's important. It's important that there being strong characters, and strong stories without the Aliens themselves on all the time.
The worrying line for me was 2 hours of action over a ten hour series.
If only because that can so easily turn into 8 episodes of character drama with 2 hours of Alien-related content right in the last two episodes.
I wrote my pitch for Alien V in the Walter Hill thread. Here's some ideas I had for a tv show:
"Weyland/Yutani"
Set during the time of the merger between the 2 companies. Tone: 80's corporate douche bags trying to sell each other out Robocop/Burke style, corporate esponiage, weapon divisions/androids.
Leads: a character based on Machinko Noguchi on the Yutani side. Starts the series as a cold, corporate suit, ends being one of the heroes.
On the Weyland side we have Charlize Theron returning as Vickers. She sent a highly advanced, prohibitively expensive to mass produce android replica of herself on the Prometheus mission. She is running the company and must reluctantly merge with Yutani for survival.
Plot/Story wise: I got nothing!
A corporate espionage type show with the xenos appearing sporadically might be interesting. Then again, it may also be well written with fleshed out characters but pretty dull overall. But I'd be willing to give it a shot 8)
I feel like it goes further and further away from the original ideas of O'Bannon and Shusett. Not that this is bad in itself, but it is less and less relevant to the Alien Universe. A kind of procrastination. Not developing or deepening the franchise.
The show about Colonial Marines will be better. Even without aliens, but with other situations, monsters, military conflicts. Anything would be better than a shitshow about the corporation. Even androids for next ten films.
The Marines have nothing to do with the original ideas of O'Bannon and Shusett either. They're entirely a construct of Hill, Giler and Cameron.
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The Marines have nothing to do with the original ideas of O'Bannon and Shusett either. They're entirely a construct of Hill, Giler and Cameron.
Oh, rolls eyes, I know. But they are closer than meaningless and the worn-out сorporation of stupidity. At least the Colonial Marines promise adventure and fun in contrast to the
boring,
cliched evil corporation that is the perfect food for misanthropists and pathetic edgelords.
Maybe I'm a "misanthropist and pathetic edgelord" but I don't really find the Colonial Marines in Aliens to be adventurous or fun. They're people thrown into a situation they don't understand at all, underestimating it every step of the way, and they get slaughtered because of it.
Yippie!
Quote from: Drukathi on Sep 28, 2020, 02:34:14 PMOh, rolls eyes, I know. But they are closer than meaningless and the worn-out сorporation of stupidity. At least the Colonial Marines promise adventure and fun in contrast to the boring, cliched evil corporation that is the perfect food for misanthropists and pathetic edgelords.
I'm not sure I have enough fingers on my hands to count all the boring, cliched future space marine stories we've had over the years.
It doesn't matter, I'm not going to change your mind. And I still believe that corporate intrigue - one of the most boring things in the universe. Except for melodrama. It will destroy the Alien Universe and turn away fans of other worlds.
I have to agree here.
If you make the movie/show about the alien you get a creature feature (which is not what you want)
People need to feel for characters when they get killed. Like the chills you get watching Hudson get dragged under the floor, or how bad you feel watching Lambert break down as certain death approaches her.
I would rather have 4 episodes introduce a setting and characters followed by 4 hours of terror. Rather than opening shot of random person getting eaten, or killed, or whatever.
Why were they wearing dirty sneakers in this funky spaceship?
"'This is great. Not only is there great human drama, but there's aliens!'"
I'm glad this wasn't made.
Why exactly? Aliens and Alien³ live and breathe human drama.
Aliens running around killing humans without context would be pretty f**king boring.
If that is your kick boot up AvP or AvP2 and play the Alien campaign.
If there is no human characters to care about nobody will give a shit.
I wouldn't want a story of only WY that is of any length just because it HAS been played out over the years, even when they called it Bionational in the comics. But a story that involves different aspects of the universe functioning in tandem with other parts of it would be nice.
Lets say you have somebody in ICC quarantine trying to find out why WY is trying to be so elusive with shipments coming to and from a deep space black lab or something like that. Or the United Americas government catching wind of WY wrong doings and sending out an investigative team. WY can't be too powerful or Burke wouldnt even bother trying to pull a fast one on the Marines. He would've just ordered the Marines to take the facehuggers back and that would've been that. There are all kinds of different dynamics and power struggles that could be explored.
There are other aspects of the universe that can be expanded on. It doesn't have to just be WY and the Colonial Marines.
You mean Van Leuwen isn't the CEO of WY and they don't own the USCM? ???
Silence pathetic edgelord!
I maintain an Alien-less series would be more Outland and less Corporate Intrigue 2122.
Tell Hadley's Hope getting overrun in a series? Or a similar situation.
Congratulations, you can put together engaging character drama and Alien fun times and avoid the Colonial Marines and work in some corporate shitf**kery.
Cold Forge is arguably the most popular Alien book and that's all about corporate intrigue.
It's not just that though.
Don't make an Alien TV show that doesn't have Aliens in it (not that that was what the dude was even saying anyway).
Quote from: Chris!(($$))! on Sep 28, 2020, 07:13:27 AM
I'm thinking The Terror meets The Expanse.
I was watching
The Expanse not so long ago and it occurred to me how well it matched up to a potential Alien series:
Three rival factions, Earth, Mars, and the Belters, could have been W-Y, Seegson and UPP. The protomolecule everyone is chasing could have been xenos. The alien stargate that appears could have been space jockey tech.
The Expanse has alien mystery and conflict, political intrigue, military action, and a solid sci-fi base.
Maybe Hawley missed the boat a long time ago. Maybe his Alien series has already been done; all it was missing was, you know,
Aliens.
TC
Quote from: SM on Sep 30, 2020, 04:01:19 AM
Silence pathetic edgelord!
But isn't that how the RPG is trending though?
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Don't make an Alien TV show that doesn't have Aliens in it (not that that was what the dude was even saying anyway).
I know, my point was more I'd use something like
Outland as a starting point for human drama in an Alien universe, then drop Aliens back into it. Regular people against the natural and man-made problems around them, rather than the machinations of the people in charge.
Still need to read Cold Forge. I think I put it on my Christmas wishlist this year.
I wasn't disagreeing.
And in reference to a post a few posts up - The Terror was f**king great. Something like for Alien would be sweet if it hadn't already been done with The Terror.
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Silence pathetic edgelord!
But isn't that how the RPG is trending though?
Don't think so. But people can make it trend anyway they want. Had Olivia Schipp's story been able to progress beyond Echo, it would've gone into the a-bit-too-cosy relationship between the Company and USCM.
We're all counting on you to be a bulwark against that sort of thing.
I think the ideas they had were sound. How they might've played out could've been different, but we'd talked a lot about how the marines worked as an organisation, how they interact with the Company, Cameron's original concept based on British-East India company etc. So the powers-that-be were well aware of the deets.
Have you pitched a Heart of Darkness adaptation set in the Alienverse to them yet?
We already have Apocalypse - The Destroying Angels.
And the original Colonial Marines comic.
I had a couple of things in the pipeline before the Mouse foiled me.
Re. The Terror.
The Terror has a historical basis to it that helps out with its oppressive atmosphere of danger. Much like the Chernobyl mini-series. I feel like fiction has to work twice as hard to get the same kind of powerful effect. (Although, granted, Terror did have the made-up thing with the bear monster.)
TC
I originally thought The Terror was all fiction, but I think in the first episode they started referencing real people so I looked it up.
As good as it was, I didn't even bother with season two. How was it?
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Re. The Terror.
The Terror has a historical basis to it that helps out with its oppressive atmosphere of danger. Much like the Chernobyl mini-series. I feel like fiction has to work twice as hard to get the same kind of powerful effect. (Although, granted, Terror did have the made-up thing with the bear monster.)
TC
A Hadley's Hope story would give us that same sense of dread -- we know it's all going to end horribly, we just want to see how. I think that's what gives things like
Chernobyl and
The Terror their atmosphere -- they're otherwise so fictionalised I don't feel the reality of their origin gave them too much of a leg-up.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Oct 01, 2020, 05:52:59 AM
As good as it was, I didn't even bother with season two. How was it?
No idea. I was in it for old naval stuff and the second season was an entirely different story.
Quote from: SiL on Oct 01, 2020, 06:06:34 AMA Hadley's Hope story would give us that same sense of dread -- we know it's all going to end horribly, we just want to see how.
I've really never understood the appeal of seeing an
Aliens prequel. The colony is so much creepier for
not seeing how it got that way.
Although maybe my opinion's just tainted by the fact I think so little of
Newt's Tale and
River of Pain.
The fact remains, the same story would probably be far more interesting if you just made it another colony.
Same as the appeal of seeing stories about Marie Celeste I guess.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Oct 01, 2020, 09:31:24 AM
Quote from: SiL on Oct 01, 2020, 06:06:34 AMA Hadley's Hope story would give us that same sense of dread -- we know it's all going to end horribly, we just want to see how.
I've really never understood the appeal of seeing an Aliens prequel. The colony is so much creepier for not seeing how it got that way.
Although maybe my opinion's just tainted by the fact I think so little of Newt's Tale and River of Pain.
The fact remains, the same story would probably be far more interesting if you just made it another colony.
Mainly due to: nostalgia, want to see more of the aliens movie and see what happened prior to it and make it to a part of the aliens movie and make fans of it relive the feelings they had, and this is why it most often fails: as the same feeling and theme etc is almost impossible to recreate and it also in most cases fails to live up to the expectations fans have had of what happened there for so many years that only a mircale of storywriting can live up to it.
Same reason why so many fans want to get more colonial marines vs aliens movies and have more action scenes and tension and themes aliens did, instead of something new which I hold Alien 3 in high regards of doing.
So yes I like you think doing a story/movie of a different colony or ship etc getting infested by aliens and new charachters is the way to go.
Yeah nah I just think there could be an interesting story there.
Quote from: judge death on Oct 01, 2020, 05:20:07 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Oct 01, 2020, 09:31:24 AM
Quote from: SiL on Oct 01, 2020, 06:06:34 AMA Hadley's Hope story would give us that same sense of dread -- we know it's all going to end horribly, we just want to see how.
I've really never understood the appeal of seeing an Aliens prequel. The colony is so much creepier for not seeing how it got that way.
Although maybe my opinion's just tainted by the fact I think so little of Newt's Tale and River of Pain.
The fact remains, the same story would probably be far more interesting if you just made it another colony.
Mainly due to: nostalgia, want to see more of the aliens movie and see what happened prior to it and make it to a part of the aliens movie and make fans of it relive the feelings they had, and this is why it most often fails: as the same feeling and theme etc is almost impossible to recreate and it also in most cases fails to live up to the expectations fans have had of what happened there for so many years that only a mircale of storywriting can live up to it.
Same reason why so many fans want to get more colonial marines vs aliens movies and have more action scenes and tension and themes aliens did, instead of something new which I hold Alien 3 in high regards of doing.
So yes I like you think doing a story/movie of a different colony or ship etc getting infested by aliens and new charachters is the way to go.
I saw the Noah Hawley video on the AVPGalaxy YouTube channel.
It presented some interesting ideas but I think the concerns brought up by judge death highlight some of the issues for any future Alien TV/Streaming project.
- Getting the audience to feel the same terror of the original "Alien" or the same rush from "Aliens" is very difficult even in a bigger budget movie.
In a TV series where the budget is much smaller, the task is even harder.
- I'm not saying it's impossible and I'd love to be proved wrong.
- Hawley says he wants to set up the story first without the aliens/Xenomorphs.
That could be kind of like "Another Life", the Katee Sackoff series on Netflix. That was successful enough to be renewed for another season.
Still, the expectations for that show were very low. A mediocre monster on a ship story was good enough.
- But put the Alien name on a new series and the expectations from some viewers will be; ' was it as good as "Aliens" or "Alien"?'
- That is a tough puzzle to solve.
(Ridley went another direction with some related ideas in "Raised by Wolves". It's not about "Alien" though.)
- Hawley mentioned "The Mandalorian". It's a western in space built around a cute baby Yoda. In terms of demographics, it's a family show.
Alien projects have never had such a wide appeal.
It's going to be tough to get Disney to agree to putting up the money for an Alien Disney+ TV series.
Yet I believe that eventually Disney will change their mind and a new Alien film will happen.
;)
https://www.indiewire.com/2020/11/alien-tv-miniseries-1234601357/ (https://www.indiewire.com/2020/11/alien-tv-miniseries-1234601357/)
Quote from: Lizardboy on Dec 01, 2020, 09:27:13 AM
https://www.indiewire.com/2020/11/alien-tv-miniseries-1234601357/ (https://www.indiewire.com/2020/11/alien-tv-miniseries-1234601357/)
QuoteWhen asked if he personally is still involved with a potential "Alien" series, Hawley answered, "Ya know, I have conversations from time to time but I'm not committed." The showrunner also noted there's no conceit in place about what the miniseries would tackle from a narrative standpoint.
Interesting to hear that he's still chatting about it from time to time, even if there isn't any narrative set. That confirms that Disney/20th is at least talking about things (probably more outside of this project as well), which we also know thanks to Hicks' vague scoop.
Hopefully we won't have to wait too long before Disney/20th announces what they intend to do next...
I've been hungry for a tv show ever since the short films.
I wouldn't be totally shocked if the potentially in development Alien project does wind up being a series, but at this rate I doubt it would be Hawley's. There is nothing in place on his end, barring a few conversations with the studio from time to time.
As long as it is one long, cohesive story, rather than episodic, I'm up for a tv series.
Maybe it'll be the Ridley Scott produced series that was rumored back in the first post thread. 8)
The Walking Dead with aliens instead of zombies... sorry, walkers.
I hope not because that show used to piss me right off when I still bothered to watch it.
For every really good episode there's at least three shit ones.
After the impressive alien shorts , I'd love to see a series. An alien series is long overdue. So much in the universe to explore.
Go the Fargo route. A whole season dedicated to one storyline then a new one the next season. Heck I'd even be up for a new story each episode.
Quote from: Prez on Dec 02, 2020, 10:26:24 AM
Go the Fargo route. A whole season dedicated to one storyline then a new one the next season. Heck I'd even be up for a new story each episode.
I think longer, season long arcs would be the way to go. Longer-form storytelling is doing so well these days.
Hoping we get the final Prequel, another Sequel later in the time line and Dan Trachtenberg's Predator Prequel, venturing to the Alien universe through TeleVision would be interesting, same fro Predator, as long as neither Movie or TV negatively effects oneanother.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 02, 2020, 10:42:22 AMI think longer, season long arcs would be the way to go. Longer-form storytelling is doing so well these days.
Yeah, I really wouldn't want to see a "monster of the week" format. It's gotta be season-long (or even longer) storylines for me.
I'm all for an Alien tv series, but I hope we'll get something continuing the story and concepts of Prometheus/Covenant.
Quote from: Mando on Dec 02, 2020, 04:13:25 PM
I'm all for an Alien tv series, but I hope we'll get something continuing the story and concepts of Prometheus/Covenant.
Very much agreed, on both counts.
Is this news in any way relatable to the scoop this site has? I appreciate you probably can't say one way or another out of respect for your source - so probably a stupid question ;D just seemed when Hicks announced in the Predator thread Alien is still alive it sounded concrete, whereas this sounds "talkative".
Either way, TV series? Lovely. Get Odd studios back for the creature effects while you're at it!
Quote from: seattle24 on Dec 02, 2020, 05:01:32 PM
Is this news in any way relatable to the scoop this site has? I appreciate you probably can't say one way or another out of respect for your source - so probably a stupid question ;D just seemed when Hicks announced in the Predator thread Alien is still alive it sounded concrete, whereas this sounds "talkative".
Either way, TV series? Lovely. Get Odd studios back for the creature effects while you're at it!
We know the answer to that question but cannot confirm or deny.
And yes it would be nice to have Odd Studios back, just don't slather CGI over most of their creature work this time! Or Weta Workshop, or ADI (:p), honestly which creature shop would get it would depend on where filming would be happening.
I'd be all for ADI. Their work in
Alien 3 and
Alien: Resurrection is great (though of course, only appropriate within the confines of those specific movies... I'm looking at you,
Alien vs Predator ::)), and while I don't care for Blomkamp's concept at all, what we've seen of the concepts for that film (including the silly four-armed maquette) it seems like they would have done a solid job recreating something more like Giger's original there.
Odd would be great as well, if they do go the man in suit mode. Though I do kind of expect to see something more akin to
Alien: Covenant, what with an on-set reference suit that is mostly replaced with a digital creature for the final product.
Quote from: RidgeTop on Dec 02, 2020, 08:32:29 PM
We know the answer to that question but cannot confirm or deny.
The whole AVPG staff right now:
(https://64.media.tumblr.com/68cdff2ebf2f2b425512d3148ff85e48/tumblr_p5jn3pmCq11vigpn1o7_500.gifv)
Quote from: RidgeTop on Dec 02, 2020, 08:32:29 PM
Quote from: seattle24 on Dec 02, 2020, 05:01:32 PM
Is this news in any way relatable to the scoop this site has? I appreciate you probably can't say one way or another out of respect for your source - so probably a stupid question ;D just seemed when Hicks announced in the Predator thread Alien is still alive it sounded concrete, whereas this sounds "talkative".
Either way, TV series? Lovely. Get Odd studios back for the creature effects while you're at it!
We know the answer to that question but cannot confirm or deny.
And yes it would be nice to have Odd Studios back, just don't slather CGI over most of their creature work this time! Or Weta Workshop, or ADI (:p), honestly which creature shop would get it would depend on where filming would be happening.
Haha! I can wait... so long as there is a meaty 3-hour podcast to accompany the announcement when or if it does happen? :P
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 02, 2020, 10:43:28 PM
I'd be all for ADI. Their work in Alien 3 and Alien: Resurrection is great (though of course, only appropriate within the confines of those specific movies... I'm looking at you, Alien vs Predator ::)), and while I don't care for Blomkamp's concept at all, what we've seen of the concepts for that film (including the silly four-armed maquette) it seems like they would have done a solid job recreating something more like Giger's original there.
Odd would be great as well, if they do go the man in suit mode. Though I do kind of expect to see something more akin to Alien: Covenant, what with an on-set reference suit that is mostly replaced with a digital creature for the final product.
Quote from: RidgeTop on Dec 02, 2020, 08:32:29 PM
We know the answer to that question but cannot confirm or deny.
The whole AVPG staff right now:
https://64.media.tumblr.com/68cdff2ebf2f2b425512d3148ff85e48/tumblr_p5jn3pmCq11vigpn1o7_500.gifv
I've said it before and I maintain my stance, Tom and Alec appear to be lovely guys. Their work on Alien 3 is elite. But I would argue the design of the Alien in Resurrection is very poor, and I understand the genetic mutation, and the purposeful design choices, but it's all subjective to your own set of eyes - and I really dislike the design. I won't waste breath on the creature work in AvP.
I was really impressed with Odd in Covenant, though, even if much of their practical work was relegated in favour of CGI. The Alien "on stilts" was really innovative in my opinion. And putting the guy from REC in the suit was inspired.
I'd definitely agree that Resurrection has the weakest Alien design of the proper Alien films, though I do personally like it quite a bit within the context of the film.
But I more so meant the actual craftsmanship of the suit, and the execution of it on set, as proof of their abilities. The design, on the other hand, I would attribute more directly to Jean-Pierre Jeunet, who gave them the guidelines for what he was looking for in the design and approved that final rendition of it.
If ADI was working with a director who wanted to do something more Giger-esque, I have no doubt in my mind that they would deliver on it.
I'd be super down for a show, as long as it was good. You would need a big budget for the sets though. There are rules to the design of Alien and they should be followed. That doesn't mean there's not room to grow but you have to honor the aesthetic.
Y'all keep pulling for ADI and I just don't get it. Maybe they could do a better suit but who gives a shit? Design aside I'm just going on the films they've worked on. This is not aimed at their 2-D artists or sculptors.
Quote from: Lost_Hunter on Dec 03, 2020, 01:18:50 AM
I'd be super down for a show, as long as it was good. You would need a big budget for the sets though. There are rules to the design of Alien and they should be followed. That doesn't mean there's not room to grow but you have to honor the aesthetic.
Y'all keep pulling for ADI and I just don't get it. Maybe they could do a better suit but who gives a shit? Design aside I'm just going on the films they've worked on. This is not aimed at their 2-D artists or sculptors.
Honestly it's mostly just me who's the ADI cheerleader, our staff have disagreements about whether or not they should get another gig. But I don't place their work above any of the other practical creature FX studios that have been involved in the franchise, any of the major ones would do a nice job I'm sure.
Also high production value sci-fi series have become much more accessible these days. The Unreal Engine live-action virtual sets utilized by
The Mandalorian are a good example. That show has an excellent blend of practical and digital effects.
I appreciate that RidgeTop. The second season of Mandalorian is crazy with what they've been able to achieve. Definitely groundbreaking. That kind of production would be incredible with Alien.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 02, 2020, 10:42:22 AM
Quote from: Prez on Dec 02, 2020, 10:26:24 AM
Go the Fargo route. A whole season dedicated to one storyline then a new one the next season. Heck I'd even be up for a new story each episode.
I think longer, season long arcs would be the way to go. Longer-form storytelling is doing so well these days.
Hear, hear
I like ADI. Just want to put that out there
I don't believe in ADI skills since I watched The Void. A crowdfunding Canadian film with $82,000 budget vs the power of the practical effects in ADI's ultimate film with all power of kickstarter support: Harbinger Down - $350,000. Amateurs vs professionals.
Well, The Void is better in ANY aspect. Including practical effects. You won't be impressed with ADI's light garlands, but the monsters in The Void look natural.
I think tthis would be great. Also a Predator series would be a great way to explore different parts of history on earth for storylines and hunting scenerios . Not to mention what off world could be like. I am sold on the idea.
Quote from: Drukathi on Dec 03, 2020, 01:24:26 PM
I don't believe in ADI skills since I watched The Void. A crowdfunding Canadian film with $82,000 budget vs the power of the practical effects in ADI's ultimate film with all power of kickstarter support: Harbinger Down - $350,000. Amateurs vs professionals.
Well, The Void is better in ANY aspect. Including practical effects. You won't be impressed with ADI's light garlands, but the monsters in The Void look natural.
The effects in
The Void were $82,000, not the film itself, and they had help from the effects team on
Suicide Squad.
The effects aren't the real issue in
Harbinger Down, the atrocious cinematography and direction are.
And the fact they didn't really properly showcase their effects skills.
They really shouldn't have directed it themselves.
Yeah, I was excited for that project until I started seeing some trailers. Never did wind up watching the film. Love the ADI guys and their work but... they aren't directors.
Gillis is a pretty good actor, though. :D
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Dec 02, 2020, 11:42:56 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 02, 2020, 10:42:22 AMI think longer, season long arcs would be the way to go. Longer-form storytelling is doing so well these days.
Yeah, I really wouldn't want to see a "monster of the week" format. It's gotta be season-long (or even longer) storylines for me.
Look guys. I only need to know one thing.
Where.
They.
Are.
;D
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 04, 2020, 02:37:28 AM
Yeah, I was excited for that project until I started seeing some trailers. Never did wind up watching the film. Love the ADI guys and their work but... they aren't directors.
Gillis is a pretty good actor, though. :D
It's not a terrible film. It's what you expect from an effects team making a whole movie. Nothing amazing but there's far worse out there.
Quote from: Stitch on Dec 04, 2020, 08:45:34 AM
It's not a terrible film. It's what you expect from an effects team making a whole movie. Nothing amazing but there's far worse out there.
The film - not. But practical effects - yes. They are ridiculous - especially the light garlands at the end. And the only purpose of Harbinger Down is to show the power of practical effects. Draw conclusions.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Dec 02, 2020, 09:55:32 AM
I hope not because that show used to piss me right off when I still bothered to watch it.
For every really good episode there's at least three shit ones.
Yeah the Walking Dead seasons should have been halved, at the least! So much filler...
I just want to have a great show following Noah's perspective. I want a show that we love not because Aliens are in it, but a show we love that
also has Aliens in it. A show with great characters where every single episode doesn't need a Xenomorph in it. Man just the thought...so great!
I think Noah talked about it as a 10 hour show when he spoke earlier this year, so it would look he only envisioned a 10 episode season.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 04, 2020, 01:30:14 PM
I think Noah talked about it as a 10 hour show when he spoke earlier this year, so it would look he only envisioned a 10 episode season.
8-12 episodes would be perfect IMO
And given Hawley's track record with Fargo, I'd absolutely be down for something like this as an anthology series with new characters and a new story each season.
Especially if one of those seasons is a Covenant sequel, with Ridley involved. ;)
Quote from: RidgeTop on Dec 03, 2020, 01:48:12 AM
Quote from: Lost_Hunter on Dec 03, 2020, 01:18:50 AM
I'd be super down for a show, as long as it was good. You would need a big budget for the sets though. There are rules to the design of Alien and they should be followed. That doesn't mean there's not room to grow but you have to honor the aesthetic.
Y'all keep pulling for ADI and I just don't get it. Maybe they could do a better suit but who gives a shit? Design aside I'm just going on the films they've worked on. This is not aimed at their 2-D artists or sculptors.
Honestly it's mostly just me who's the ADI cheerleader, our staff have disagreements about whether or not they should get another gig. But I don't place their work above any of the other practical creature FX studios that have been involved in the franchise, any of the major ones would do a nice job I'm sure.
Also high production value sci-fi series have become much more accessible these days. The Unreal Engine live-action virtual sets utilized by The Mandalorian are a good example. That show has an excellent blend of practical and digital effects.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ufp8weYYDE8
This is the way! 💪😎
Or at least the way I want so see in an Alien production ;D
Split off discussion relating to the new announcement, merged into this thread: https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=64564.0