Hey folks!
Just remembered we talked to StudioADI's Alec Gillis about THE PREDATOR and the topic of female preds came up. Enjoy!
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" I know there are people like 'All you're going to do is stick boobs on a predator', well, I think there's something else you can do."
Man speaking with some sense
I liked the idea that the females are bigger than the males. On some level that also adds to the hunting and manliness we often see portrayed by them, in that they have to be powerful not only to get her attention but also to survive whatever sex looks like between them. And it's not like that sort of thing doesn't happen in the Animal kingdom so I'm all for the Hulked out females.
The hell with female predators. They can't even get the males right.
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HN: Along with those major changes to the third act, it kinda seemed like there were several different endings planned for the film. Obviously, the one that made the final cut was with the Predator Killer suit of armor, which still opens up a whole new path for sequels, but we'd also seen some photos of an aged Newt and Ripley inside that pod. Were those meant to connect back to the Alien idea that Neill Blomkamp had?
GILLIS: "Were there photographs of an aged Newt?"
HN: Yeah, I forget who [posted], but they surfaced and Breanna Watkins was standing in for Newt and Ripley.
GILLIS: "Huh. Well, then you know as much as I know. There is one other thing that I know, and that is the Fox legal department. [Laughs]."
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First, I do not trust ADI with this at all. They've had Predator long enough - 3 films with lackluster results imo. Time for someone new other than ADI to head this work. Hopefully new ownership at Fox will implement that.
With that said, considering the musculature of a Predator so closely resembles the musculature of a human male, I don't mind at all the female musculature of Predators resembling human females to a great degree. And Cool Props showed you can do some very interesting things with the look, including using head shapes to differentiate sex.
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Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Mar 12, 2019, 01:50:22 PM
First, I do not trust ADI with this at all. They've had Predator long enough - 3 films with lackluster results imo. Time for someone new other than ADI to head this work. Hopefully new ownership at Fox will implement that.
With that said, considering the musculature of a Predator so closely resembles the musculature of a human male, I don't mind at all the female musculature of Predators resembling human females to a great degree. And Cool Props showed you can do some very interesting things with the look, including using head shapes to differentiate sex.
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Do
not let ADI anywhere near this. We'll get the human looking female predator from the The Predator's concept art stuff. NO THANKS.
Making it with a different head shape would be fine. They don't actually need to explain in film its a female.
Like Voodoo said: "the musculature of a Predator so closely resembles the musculature of a human male", just make the different forehead and give it a musculature closer to that of a female human and we will know its meant to be a female. But no predator boobs for me.
I don't believe it's exactly ADI's fault considering they're just doing as they're told. You can have all the personal dignity in the world but you'd never work again so I don't blame them for going with it.
I do respect that they acknowledge they really only got Wolf right.
However the issue isn't so much ADI as much as it is the directors and producers who at the end of the day are the ones calling the shots. ADI really doesn't have that much say in the matter regarding what the director wants and what makes it to screen. When you're brought on to do FX you're basically a hired gun. Director vision and the money allotted is going to be the biggest impediments, and we know that from Wolf, Fugitive, what little we've seen of the Emissary that they do just fine on Predator FX.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Mar 12, 2019, 01:50:22 PM
First, I do not trust ADI with this at all. They've had Predator long enough - 3 films with lackluster results imo. Time for someone new other than ADI to head this work. Hopefully new ownership at Fox will implement that.
With that said, considering the musculature of a Predator so closely resembles the musculature of a human male, I don't mind at all the female musculature of Predators resembling human females to a great degree. And Cool Props showed you can do some very interesting things with the look, including using head shapes to differentiate sex.
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I like the look of this but is it too similar to the crest of a Queen?
I know some people have said they wanted the females bigger than the males, but I honestly would prefer if the females were smaller and leaner than the males and used different hunting tactics. I don't care if the females have bewbz or not, so long as the design wouldn't be overly sexual.
Quote from: SuperiorIronman on Mar 12, 2019, 02:25:58 PM
I don't believe it's exactly ADI's fault considering they're just doing as they're told. You can have all the personal dignity in the world but you'd never work again so I don't blame them for going with it.
I do respect that they acknowledge they really only got Wolf right.
However the issue isn't so much ADI as much as it is the directors and producers who at the end of the day are the ones calling the shots. ADI really doesn't have that much say in the matter regarding what the director wants and what makes it to screen. When you're brought on to do FX you're basically a hired gun. Director vision and the money allotted is going to be the biggest impediments, and we know that from Wolf, Fugitive, what little we've seen of the Emissary that they do just fine on Predator FX.
When Alec @ ADI was asked about the broken jaw, slack-jawed look of their Predators compared to the original beloved Stan Winston design, Alec answered the question with a question:
Why do the mandibles have to close like they did in the first two movies?Alec confirmed it was a creative decision, and after three films, with three different directors, you do have to consider the common factor: ADI. Especially when the CG Upgrade Assasin Predator mandible and jaws looked correct in "The Predator", even among his deformed upgraded self, but the ADI Predators in the same movie had the same broken jaw (Crabator) problem. We doubt Shane Black said "try to get the mandibles/jaw muscles right on the cg Predator only, people!" It would seem Black wasn't very invested in it either way.
We've relegated this change in core facial musculature to ADI's "stamp" on the Predator, for better or worse. And most of us feel worse. And I haven't even addressed the paint jobs. :-\
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What the actual hell?
Fugitive's mandibles look upside down. Like...bigger set on top and smaller on bottom. Which is completely opposite.
The laying down photo of him on the operating table looks bad. Like, really bad. Floppy mouth Predator.
Of course the mandibles of the Winston design should generally be the same. Unless it's a super Predator subspecies (Predators 2010), these are the same race of beings. What a loopy statement.
Ironically them being the same race but looking different is kind of undercut when you consider the Lost Hunters being usages of the Jungle Hunter and City Hunters mold with different paint applications. It also doesn't help modern makers because the guys in the garage don't have to fit mechanical bits into it and there is no direct reference to the face because the only thing that survived was the Greyback's head. They threw all that other stuff out. Meaning all you can get is approximations and guesswork on top of the things the studio tells you to do. You also got separate unmasked heads for the original films which means that what you're basing things off of might not be the right head because they do different things or have different static positioning of the mandibles.
I'd imagine artistically its to differentiate individuals, but from a practical point its more likely because unlike in the older films the mask isn't fitted to the head, hence the mandible configuration. Scar's head was too flat for that so I doubt that was an issue, but for damn sure Wolf's didn't, and Fugitive only needs to have it on for part of the lab escape and then be removed by Upgrade which was more CGI then practical FX. The helmets and face are also developed separately from each other so even developmentally they can't account for positioning of the mandibles.
But then why not do it when they have it off?
-Scar was meant to be more emotive thus his mandibles going everywhere. Not to mention him being more heroic than prior appearances and thus you want to draw attention to the chin.
-Wolf just needed to roar and emote in reaction to the PredAlien, otherwise he's obscured in the crashed ship.
-Fugitive does on his CGI model, but the practical FX doesn't require that because he doesn't wear the mask for any extended period of time when a face reveal is needed.
That's a big part of the reason you have half-masks for these films because the mandibles can cause the helmet to pop off or not fit entirely (both of which occurred in 2010's Predators). Practically speaking you'd have to account for this during development of the face and have the helmet sculpted over that in order to fit it properly but that just doesn't happen on these films which is why its only implied. And even then it doesn't mean it has to sit in that configuration.
I really hope the next Predator movie features female predators.
Quote from: BishopShouldGo on Mar 12, 2019, 06:04:10 PM
I really hope the next Predator movie features female predators.
In my headcanon, all the ones we've seen already are.
Quote from: SuperiorIronman on Mar 12, 2019, 05:09:11 PM
Ironically them being the same race but looking different is kind of undercut when you consider the Lost Hunters being usages of the Jungle Hunter and City Hunters mold with different paint applications. It also doesn't help modern makers because the guys in the garage don't have to fit mechanical bits into it and there is no direct reference to the face because the only thing that survived was the Greyback's head. They threw all that other stuff out. Meaning all you can get is approximations and guesswork on top of the things the studio tells you to do. You also got separate unmasked heads for the original films which means that what you're basing things off of might not be the right head because they do different things or have different static positioning of the mandibles.
I'd imagine artistically its to differentiate individuals, but from a practical point its more likely because unlike in the older films the mask isn't fitted to the head, hence the mandible configuration. Scar's head was too flat for that so I doubt that was an issue, but for damn sure Wolf's didn't, and Fugitive only needs to have it on for part of the lab escape and then be removed by Upgrade which was more CGI then practical FX. The helmets and face are also developed separately from each other so even developmentally they can't account for positioning of the mandibles.
But then why not do it when they have it off?
-Scar was meant to be more emotive thus his mandibles going everywhere. Not to mention him being more heroic than prior appearances and thus you want to draw attention to the chin.
-Wolf just needed to roar and emote in reaction to the PredAlien, otherwise he's obscured in the crashed ship.
-Fugitive does on his CGI model, but the practical FX doesn't require that because he doesn't wear the mask for any extended period of time when a face reveal is needed.
That's a big part of the reason you have half-masks for these films because the mandibles can cause the helmet to pop off or not fit entirely (both of which occurred in 2010's Predators). Practically speaking you'd have to account for this during development of the face and have the helmet sculpted over that in order to fit it properly but that just doesn't happen on these films which is why its only implied. And even then it doesn't mean it has to sit in that configuration.
You can still have competently done Winston-esque Predators. I've spent 4 grand proving that point. :laugh:
Don't tell me with the 88 million they couldn't. :o
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 12, 2019, 06:42:45 PM
In my headcanon, all the ones we've seen already are.
Why did you choose to see it that way?
The avp ones can't be females for sure,
manhood ritual and all. Colin always referred to Wolf as him, Kevin Peter Hall called Pussyface a he, Anytime I don't know. Then there is
Mr. Black. In some games there are refered as males. That leaves Falconer, Tracker, Classic, Anytime, Fugitive, Upgrade and the background predators without a clear sex.
Ultimately those aren't on-screen clarifications. Nothing we've seen on-screen determines that they are one way or the other.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 12, 2019, 07:06:33 PM
Ultimately those aren't on-screen clarifications. Nothing we've seen on-screen determines that they are one way or the other.
AvP and P2 certainly do. The others I might say are somewhat ambiguous.
Keyes calls CH
he when talking about his abilities in the government utility trailer.
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For what he is.
For what he can give us.
A new era of scientific technology.
I've waited a lifetime for this,
and I'm not going to miss the chance.
We have something
on the pheromone scanners.
- Target one is on the roof.
- It's taken us two weeks to learn his patterns.
He comes here every two days to feed.
- Seems he has a taste for beef.
- I didn't think he was vegetarian.
Also when Sebastian describes the blooding ritual.
https://youtu.be/-64q4HpZyaY (https://youtu.be/-64q4HpZyaY)
He's marking
himself.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 12, 2019, 07:06:33 PM
Ultimately those aren't on-screen clarifications. Nothing we've seen on-screen determines that they are one way or the other.
I was curious on why you decided to see it that way though.
Like in some people's headcanon David was only recreating the alien because they don't like the idea of him being the ultimate creator of the creature, like me, most of the confirmation of that comes Ridley's comments on interviews. In both cases off-screen clarifications are being put aside.
Quote from: AhabPredator on Mar 12, 2019, 07:11:03 PM
Keyes calls CH he when talking about his abilities in the trailer.
That's still not in the film.
QuoteAlso when Sebastian describes the blooding ritual.
That was only in the extended cut, right?
Quote from: Samhain13 on Mar 12, 2019, 07:12:44 PM
I was curious on why you decided to see it that way though.
Honestly, just because it solves the design issue for me. I loathe the boobs on a Predator and the slimmer waist to make them female. It's just another way of humanizing the Predators (which is a big reason I dislike most of the Yautja interpretation) and just considering the ones we've already seen as females solves that for me.
QuoteLike in some people's headcanon David was only recreating the alien because they don't like the idea of him being the ultimate creator of the creature, like me, most of the confirmation of that comes Ridley's comments on interviews. In both cases off-screen clarifications are being put aside.
Until it's in black-and-white there's room for wiggle as far as I'm concerned. I freely acknowledge Ridley's intentions and know that that is likely where we're heading but fortunately for me - and the others who dislike it - there's still that shred of hope.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 12, 2019, 07:25:03 PM
Quote from: AhabPredator on Mar 12, 2019, 07:11:03 PM
Keyes calls CH he when talking about his abilities in the trailer.
That's still not in the film.
QuoteAlso when Sebastian describes the blooding ritual.
That was only in the extended cut, right?
Quote from: Samhain13 on Mar 12, 2019, 07:12:44 PM
I was curious on why you decided to see it that way though.
Honestly, just because it solves the design issue for me. I loathe the boobs on a Predator and the slimmer waist to make them female. It's just another way of humanizing the Predators (which is a big reason I dislike most of the Yautja interpretation) and just considering the ones we've already seen as females solves that for me.
QuoteLike in some people's headcanon David was only recreating the alien because they don't like the idea of him being the ultimate creator of the creature, like me, most of the confirmation of that comes Ridley's comments on interviews. In both cases off-screen clarifications are being put aside.
Until it's in black-and-white there's room for wiggle as far as I'm concerned. I freely acknowledge Ridley's intentions and know that that is likely where we're heading but fortunately for me - and the others who dislike it - there's still that shred of hope.
Absolutely is in the film. I pasted the dialogue right from the script in my post edit.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 12, 2019, 07:25:03 PM
Honestly, just because it solves the design issue for me. I loathe the boobs on a Predator and the slimmer waist to make them female. It's just another way of humanizing the Predators (which is a big reason I dislike most of the Yautja interpretation) and just considering the ones we've already seen as females solves that for me.
So do imagine the males looking any different in your headcanon as in that case we haven't seen one so far?
Quote from: AhabPredator on Mar 12, 2019, 07:28:24 PM
Absolutely is in the film. I pasted the dialogue right from the script in my post edit.
Apologies, you said Keyes. I read that as KPH said in his trailer for some reason. Fair point but Keyes doesn't actually know that as far as we know. But even given that, I can still imagine the others.
Quote from: Samhain13 on Mar 12, 2019, 07:29:57 PM
So do imagine the males looking any different in your headcanon as in that case we haven't seen one so far?
I honestly haven't given them thought. Ideally, for me, they all look similar. I'd rather it's just little differences such a patterns, or colours, or something like that. Subtle differences.
When we spoke to Alec he mentioned them wanting to make one of the Emissaries a female. If I take either one (or both) of the realized Emissary Predators as being a female, that suits me fine.
Quote from: AhabPredator on Mar 12, 2019, 06:57:35 PM
Quote from: SuperiorIronman on Mar 12, 2019, 05:09:11 PM
Ironically them being the same race but looking different is kind of undercut when you consider the Lost Hunters being usages of the Jungle Hunter and City Hunters mold with different paint applications. It also doesn't help modern makers because the guys in the garage don't have to fit mechanical bits into it and there is no direct reference to the face because the only thing that survived was the Greyback's head. They threw all that other stuff out. Meaning all you can get is approximations and guesswork on top of the things the studio tells you to do. You also got separate unmasked heads for the original films which means that what you're basing things off of might not be the right head because they do different things or have different static positioning of the mandibles.
I'd imagine artistically its to differentiate individuals, but from a practical point its more likely because unlike in the older films the mask isn't fitted to the head, hence the mandible configuration. Scar's head was too flat for that so I doubt that was an issue, but for damn sure Wolf's didn't, and Fugitive only needs to have it on for part of the lab escape and then be removed by Upgrade which was more CGI then practical FX. The helmets and face are also developed separately from each other so even developmentally they can't account for positioning of the mandibles.
But then why not do it when they have it off?
-Scar was meant to be more emotive thus his mandibles going everywhere. Not to mention him being more heroic than prior appearances and thus you want to draw attention to the chin.
-Wolf just needed to roar and emote in reaction to the PredAlien, otherwise he's obscured in the crashed ship.
-Fugitive does on his CGI model, but the practical FX doesn't require that because he doesn't wear the mask for any extended period of time when a face reveal is needed.
That's a big part of the reason you have half-masks for these films because the mandibles can cause the helmet to pop off or not fit entirely (both of which occurred in 2010's Predators). Practically speaking you'd have to account for this during development of the face and have the helmet sculpted over that in order to fit it properly but that just doesn't happen on these films which is why its only implied. And even then it doesn't mean it has to sit in that configuration.
You can still have competently done Winston-esque Predators. I've spent 4 grand proving that point. :laugh:
Don't tell me with the 88 million they couldn't. :o
I own a P2 head myself, but not all Predator masks are built to the same specifications. Especially in garage kits that don't have to and commonly don't have room to fit the mechanical bits for the Predator's face. Those kits also don't have to put up with shooting requirements and because there isn't that much difference between a stunt suit and a hero suit for these films they also have to be in an ideal position to not break. These heads need to survive and it will be kind of bad if they can't hold a particular pose because they broke the servos. The heads are also dictated by needs of the studio and while AVP could've done it and didn't, Wolf and Fugitive are under no obligation to do so because nothing about those shots require them to hold that pose. The masks they used didn't require the helmet to be on in order for them to scrunch up like that. The pose we see Jungle Hunter in was also to lead into the roar pose, but because the movies later just use cut-away to hide the mask coming off, they could just prepare the later Predators to roar as wide as possible without limitations of the mask forcing the initial pose.
Now granted as often we see Fugitive without the helmet in the lab escape he could've held it at least once. But it was not a requirement of that day's shoot and is held on his CGI model. While its not a factor in practical FX they did use it.
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88 million also goes to paying your actors, getting sets, reserving areas, paying for security, etc. And most of that budget later on was allocated to re-shooting the third act. The Predator's budget is pretty much irrelevant given that fanmade creations don't put up with the same rigors of production nor does it have to do the same things as the suits in the films.
It would've been nice to see, but it's cut for a reason
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Quote from: BishopShouldGo on Mar 12, 2019, 06:04:10 PM
I really hope the next Predator movie features female predators.
In my headcanon, all the ones we've seen already are.
In my headcanon the differences are so indistinguishable, you can't tell the difference untill you get down to business. At least for a human being.
QuoteApologies, you said Keyes. I read that as KPH said in his trailer for some reason. Fair point but Keyes doesn't actually know that as far as we know. But even given that, I can still imagine the others.
No worries man. Also...I would like to see the Predator fanchise approach something like the Turians from Mass Effect with males and females.
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Quote from: Master on Mar 12, 2019, 07:52:51 PM
In my headcanon the differences are so indistinguishable, you can't tell the difference untill you get down to business. At least for a human being.
I just imagined 2 predators mistaking each other and only noticing while getting down to business. Very awkward.
Quote from: Samhain13 on Mar 12, 2019, 07:59:58 PM
Quote from: Master on Mar 12, 2019, 07:52:51 PM
In my headcanon the differences are so indistinguishable, you can't tell the difference untill you get down to business. At least for a human being.
I just imagined 2 predators mistaking each other and only noticing while getting down to business. Very awkward.
https://youtu.be/-K7fCQlUhj0 (https://youtu.be/-K7fCQlUhj0)
Random musing here. But, here me out!
Now, fans have discussed sexual dimorphism as a possibility in regards to the two sexes of Predators.
What about coloration? Like how almost all male birds are brightly colored to attract females. Whilst females have earth tone colors for camouflage.
Anyone think that's a possible way to design the females to differentiate them from their male counterparts?
Quote from: JungleHunter87 on Mar 12, 2019, 09:24:50 PM
Random musing here. But, here me out!
Now, fans have discussed sexual dimorphism as a possibility in regards to the two sexes of Predators.
What about coloration? Like how almost all male birds are brightly colored to attract females. Whilst females have earth tone colors for camouflage.
Anyone think that's a possible way to design the females to differentiate them from their male counterparts?
The idea sounds interesting and makes biological sense as the females would want to be secure in that scientific model. Ultimately I would be curious to see what that would look like exactly. They seem to be a practical race, where every life counts. The need to propagate the species.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 12, 2019, 06:42:45 PM
Quote from: BishopShouldGo on Mar 12, 2019, 06:04:10 PM
I really hope the next Predator movie features female predators.
In my headcanon, all the ones we've seen already are.
Love it.
Going to make it my headcanon now too.
In my headcannon, I am Dutch's long lost nephew named Sven, and was very popular with the ladies!
Sven, I'm sorry you're no longer a hit with the ladies; but know your uncle died serving his country and was a brave, brave man.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Mar 13, 2019, 10:26:35 AM
In my headcannon, I am Dutch's long lost nephew named Sven, and was very popular with the ladies!
:laugh:
We'll make something of you yet, Sven.
https://youtu.be/hQ7WsBp5hio (https://youtu.be/hQ7WsBp5hio)
Sven has to use past tense because he wants to be respectful to his girl of his dreams a.k.a. his wife!
And Sven is still trying to decide to get on that bus or not. Does that bus have tv screens with in-transit movies? And what about snacks? Sven sure loves himself some snacks.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Mar 13, 2019, 01:00:32 PM
Sven has to use past tense because he wants to be respectful to his girl of his dreams a.k.a. his wife!
And Sven is still trying to decide to get on that bus or not. Does that bus have tv screens with in-transit movies? And what about snacks? Sven sure loves himself some snacks.
There is no past tense. If the Marine Corps said you needed a wife, you would have been issued one.
The bus has seats. That's all you need.
Quote from: Samhain13 on Mar 12, 2019, 07:59:58 PM
Quote from: Master on Mar 12, 2019, 07:52:51 PM
In my headcanon the differences are so indistinguishable, you can't tell the difference untill you get down to business. At least for a human being.
I just imagined 2 predators mistaking each other and only noticing while getting down to business. Very awkward.
Break out the funky gold medina
Everyone knows that all they really need to do is put a bow in her dreads, give her some long eyelashes and some lipstick around the mandibles.
It always worked for Bugs Bunny.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Mar 13, 2019, 11:36:29 PM
Everyone knows that all they really need to do is put a bow in her dreads, give her some long eyelashes and some lipstick around the mandibles.
It always worked for Bugs Bunny.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfQWz4gVcP8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfQWz4gVcP8)
plz no
Just had the thought that while there's clearly no intent of it in the film, the super/black preds in Predators are a pretty satisfactory representation of an easily visually distinguished female pred. Personally i do also like the notion that you just can't really tell the difference as an unfamiliar human so we may have already seen plenty, but the Predators thing could be a neat spin imo.
Quote from: AhabPredator on Mar 12, 2019, 08:25:59 PM
Quote from: Samhain13 on Mar 12, 2019, 07:59:58 PM
Quote from: Master on Mar 12, 2019, 07:52:51 PM
In my headcanon the differences are so indistinguishable, you can't tell the difference untill you get down to business. At least for a human being.
I just imagined 2 predators mistaking each other and only noticing while getting down to business. Very awkward.
https://youtu.be/-K7fCQlUhj0 (https://youtu.be/-K7fCQlUhj0)
Exact tune I that came to mind :D
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Mar 12, 2019, 01:50:22 PM
First, I do not trust ADI with this at all. They've had Predator long enough - 3 films with lackluster results imo. Time for someone new other than ADI to head this work. Hopefully new ownership at Fox will implement that.
With that said, considering the musculature of a Predator so closely resembles the musculature of a human male, I don't mind at all the female musculature of Predators resembling human females to a great degree. And Cool Props showed you can do some very interesting things with the look, including using head shapes to differentiate sex.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/45351560_2177973592222457_7201981647689297549_n.jpg)
(https://scontent-sea1-1.cdninstagram.com/vp/5dc3757ae0b0e6445d0e9e6ef4131019/5C9F7FB8/t51.2885-15/e35/46350198_265640194133178_1742400962544755195_n.jpg?ig_cache_key=MTkyNDQwNTM1MDA0MDU5Mjg1OA%3D%3D.2)
I love that design... perhaps the breasts are a bit much but the skull structure and face are perfect.
I also liked OpenMaws idea of the females wearing furs.
Quote from: PredBabe on Mar 17, 2019, 01:06:16 AM
I love that design... perhaps the breasts are a bit much but the skull structure and face are perfect.
I also liked OpenMaws idea of the females wearing furs.
I love it too! And considering the musculature of a Predator so closely resembles the musculature of a human male, I want a female predator to have the musculature of human females.
That doesn't mean she needs breasts, just tone muscle!
(https://images.fitnessmagazine.mdpcdn.com/sites/fitnessmagazine.com/files/styles/facebook_og_image/public/story/101947330.jpg?itok=gTEn228s)
Agreed, this is one of my favorite female artworks which has that build.
(https://i.imgur.com/LSSRbSI.jpg)
Subtlety should be key with introducing a female as well as designing one- imo.
Quote from: PredBabe on Mar 17, 2019, 02:19:30 AM
Agreed, this is one of my favorite female artworks which has that build.
(https://i.imgur.com/LSSRbSI.jpg)
Subtlety should be key with introducing a female as well as designing one- imo.
Well said!
And that artwork is terrific!! I don't believe I've seen it before. Is that fan art or was that published somewhere?
Quote from: PredBabe on Mar 17, 2019, 02:19:30 AM
Agreed, this is one of my favorite female artworks which has that build.
(https://i.imgur.com/LSSRbSI.jpg)
Subtlety should be key with introducing a female as well as designing one- imo.
That's a great one. You can notice its a female without too much humanization on the body.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Mar 17, 2019, 02:24:31 AM
Quote from: PredBabe on Mar 17, 2019, 02:19:30 AM
Agreed, this is one of my favorite female artworks which has that build.
(https://i.imgur.com/LSSRbSI.jpg)
Subtlety should be key with introducing a female as well as designing one- imo.
Well said!
And that artwork is terrific!! I don't believe I've seen it before. Is that fan art or was that published somewhere?
I think its fan art, I came across it by someone posting it on the forums here. :)
Quote from: PredBabe on Mar 17, 2019, 03:00:50 AM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Mar 17, 2019, 02:24:31 AM
Quote from: PredBabe on Mar 17, 2019, 02:19:30 AM
Agreed, this is one of my favorite female artworks which has that build.
(https://i.imgur.com/LSSRbSI.jpg)
Subtlety should be key with introducing a female as well as designing one- imo.
Well said!
And that artwork is terrific!! I don't believe I've seen it before. Is that fan art or was that published somewhere?
I think its fan art, I came across it by someone posting it on the forums here. :)
Well thanks for reposting it! That was an instant save for me. :)
I'm not certain but I think it was painted in acrylics. Wow, so talented. It looks like an EU novel cover!
And in the spirit of keeping that age old debate going,
The breasts are too small. ;D
Quote from: PredBabe on Mar 17, 2019, 02:19:30 AM
Agreed, this is one of my favorite female artworks which has that build.
(https://i.imgur.com/LSSRbSI.jpg)
Subtlety should be key with introducing a female as well as designing one- imo.
10/10. Would support this design.
Agree about the subtlety. That design is nice, wouldn't have a problem with it. But I'd personally mostly like to see different color and pattern variations for preds in general, and some type of variation could be attributed to the females.
Quote from: Still Collating... on Mar 17, 2019, 10:41:42 AM
Agree about the subtlety. That design is nice, wouldn't have a problem with it. But I'd personally mostly like to see different color and pattern variations for preds in general, and some type of variation could be attributed to the females.
Same. I'd prefer more of a dimorphism resembling the avian world (i.e. plumage, colors, patterns, textures, etc.) and less mammalian features, like breasts and waist-to-hip ratio stuff. Those busts (no pun intended) a few pages back were nice though - I remember when they were first posted a few months ago I was like "aw yeah". Not sure how they would make it out of the birth canal, but surprisingly different nonetheless.
Quote from: Wysps on Mar 20, 2019, 09:44:42 PM
Quote from: Still Collating... on Mar 17, 2019, 10:41:42 AM
Agree about the subtlety. That design is nice, wouldn't have a problem with it. But I'd personally mostly like to see different color and pattern variations for preds in general, and some type of variation could be attributed to the females.
Same. I'd prefer more of a dimorphism resembling the avian world (i.e. plumage, colors, patterns, textures, etc.) and less mammalian features, like breasts and waist-to-hip ratio stuff. Those busts (no pun intended) a few pages back were nice though - I remember when they were first posted a few months ago I was like "aw yeah". Not sure how they would make it out of the birth canal, but surprisingly different nonetheless.
It's gonna sting a little!
I can get on board with a dimorphism that relates more to skin colors/patterns/etc. as well. It's actually a neat concept.
Quote from: PredBabe on Mar 20, 2019, 11:27:57 PM
Quote from: Wysps on Mar 20, 2019, 09:44:42 PM
Quote from: Still Collating... on Mar 17, 2019, 10:41:42 AM
Agree about the subtlety. That design is nice, wouldn't have a problem with it. But I'd personally mostly like to see different color and pattern variations for preds in general, and some type of variation could be attributed to the females.
Same. I'd prefer more of a dimorphism resembling the avian world (i.e. plumage, colors, patterns, textures, etc.) and less mammalian features, like breasts and waist-to-hip ratio stuff. Those busts (no pun intended) a few pages back were nice though - I remember when they were first posted a few months ago I was like "aw yeah". Not sure how they would make it out of the birth canal, but surprisingly different nonetheless.
It's gonna sting a little!
I can get on board with a dimorphism that relates more to skin colors/patterns/etc. as well. It's actually a neat concept.
Me too. That kind of dimorphism all the way. And like the cool props bust. Just not too crazy like an extra set of legs or something.
I would also be so on board with the female design losing breasts entirely, but have close to the musculature of a human crossfit female, because the Predators design has always been very humanoid.
(https://babesyoga.files.wordpress.com/2016/03/image4.jpg)
And is it only me or others out there think Predators mouths are their actual sex organs, which would definitely explain the egg-barfing in AvP Requiem.
Dear god this was a rabbit hole...
The males wear armored cups meaning they are protecting something down there. Whether their piece is a red rocket, corkscrew, or a floppy sausage is up for debate but clearly they are armoring something down there. Otherwise seeing as how they can take heavy gunfire and be fine, I don't see why they would single that part out if they weren't protective of it.
We also know that they also wear some form of undergarments meaning they do have some level of modesty. How large those speedos are is up to the individual, but we know they wear them. So with that being said, its more likely they have an ass and some form or genitalia. Else if there was nothing, there is nothing to hide down there and they do armor themselves, they for sure armor the front and in some cases double up.
The mandibles also don't seem to be anywhere near a sexual organ as well. The mandibles from what we know are able to be prehensile stabbing tools as Fugitive could do so, and Upgrade (though a hybrid) was able to pry off a guy's skull with them. Meaning that they are likely first and foremost a method of capturing prey items. The mandibles also grow extra tusks as evident by City Hunter and Wolf, meaning that if used in the act of mating, not only should we be seeing more facial scaring even on the males (seeing as we have no reason to believe the females couldn't couldn't grow extra tusks) but we should also be seeing more breakages. If the mandibles are present to lock the heads in place, if one or both partners move a certain way they run the risk of snapping a mandible. Either at the tusk or potentially breaking a bone in the Yaujta's face. To that end and being the primary form of communicating I find it unlikely. The PredAlien's mandibles also extended forward to do that while all other Predators could bend. The Predator mandibles don't exactly extend so much as they flare outwards. They appear shorter by comparison because they are usually relaxed or tighter to the face. It was also the inner jaw depositing the embryos which is a Xenomorph biological item that we have no reason to believe Yaujta possess. The resulting offspring had also been Human derived Aliens and lacked Predator traits. Meaning that if it was Predator in nature we would be seeing more resulting traits like mandibles or even coloration. All Aliens spawning from Chet did not possess any Predator traits and thus we have no reason to believe that this is a function of Predator DNA. If nothing else it could've been caused by the mutation, however a mutation doesn't have to be from one or the other parties involved, it could just be a new sequence resulting in Egg vomiting.
Chet was also becoming a Queen during Requiem and while she didn't live long enough to do it, she was at an in-between stage between a Warrior/Drone and the Queen, meaning that this could also just as easily be a function of the Praetorian. But this trait is also heavily reliant on pregnant creatures being available to be a literal ugly mother f----- with. Meaning that in the absence of a pregnant individual we have no reason to believe Chet would've even bothered to utilize it, this trait is likely opportunistic. On the side of the Predators while it's not unheard of for someone to have sex with their wife, its another to supplant an individual embryo of another species with their own and to my knowledge there is no naturally occurring species that does this. That also calls into question where the Yaujta species even came from if they require a Yaujta to do this but you can't get one without another Yaujta and a pregnant female. Essentially you require a Yaujta and a pregnant female to get a Yaujta but you need the Yaujta in the first place to do this.
We also know that their mouths don't have cheeks and while the flaps between the mandibles would minimize the loss of semen to some degree, the Predator's would have to aim pretty well and that's also noting that there could be some substantial difference in the area of the mouth among individuals. If it's a proboscis as well, we have no evidence the Yaujta even possess one but more to that problem is that the mouth is the primary form breathing. The Yaujta if it was a protracted experience runs the risk of suffocation. The Helmets would also be adapted for this problem seeing as while some do have areas where the mouth is visible, the Yaujta still can't open up their mandibles all that wide to release some sort of proboscis nor could they properly shoot semen as the mandibles would be in the way. The mandible portion of the helmet also prevents them from locking up. The Helmet also is an effort to remove, though not a problem for Upgrade, the other Predators had to dislodge a few items before the helmet could be removed. While they could just remove it before the efforts begin, we also know by Predator 2 and by Requiem that it isn't uncommon for them to walk around with it on. Seeing as there could easily be females aboard any given ship it would make things unnecessarily harder for them to do the deed if they have to take a few moments to take the helmet off.
All of this is my long-winded rabbit hole of an explanation to say that Chet's vomiting is a mutation or Praetorian trait and that we have no reason to simply think that the Predator wouldn't just stick their sausage into it. It's just easier to assume that they have a penis than over-complicating it with genetic mutations, a creator of an entire species, and resulting in a creature that vaguely resembles them and requires a parasitic host to make more...why does this all sound familiar?
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F4.bp.blogspot.com%2F-WENg-Ar1bSA%2FVgmU-7Sut0I%2FAAAAAAAAoLY%2FmTpAe5M9DXQ%2Fs1600%2FC.P.%252BHoly%252BShit.gif&hash=844e23cb389b64aeb77a2a5604eeba9d52fb91ca)
Now that was a mouthful SIM. ;D
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Mar 21, 2019, 12:58:58 PM
And is it only me or others out there think Predators mouths are their actual sex organs, which would definitely explain the egg-barfing in AvP Requiem.
(https://i.imgur.com/ddL2Dn3.jpg)
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Mar 21, 2019, 12:58:58 PM
And is it only me or others out there think Predators mouths are their actual sex organs, which would definitely explain the egg-barfing in AvP Requiem.
Predator's mouth is pure vagina. It's obvious. Just look at this:
(https://media.giphy.com/media/6s0Hz1d3gq2yI/giphy.gif)
Never thought connecting it with egg-barfing though. So, good point!
Hey, why not down south, under their codpiece, could be where they relieve themselves of urine and waist.
But somewhere up top, deep within those mandibles, are their reproductive organs.
Some ask why. I ask why not! ;D
"Science isn't about WHY, it's about WHY NOT!?" - Cave Johnson, Portal 2
Just because something looks vaginal doesn't mean it's vaginal but in Scar's case it didn't stop his one night stand. Then again a facehugger would probably "hug" a shoe if it could.
I still say its just easier that's what undeneath the codpiece.
All this talk about City Hunter's vagina mouth is just reminding me of how much I got made fun of when I got my P2 mask in the mail a decade and some change back.
Quote from: JokersWarPig on Mar 21, 2019, 02:58:56 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Mar 21, 2019, 12:58:58 PM
And is it only me or others out there think Predators mouths are their actual sex organs, which would definitely explain the egg-barfing in AvP Requiem.
(https://i.imgur.com/ddL2Dn3.jpg)
This made me spew hot coffee out of my nose. I actually love and hate you at the same time.
Quote from: SuperiorIronman on Mar 21, 2019, 02:07:28 PM
Dear god this was a rabbit hole...
The males wear armored cups meaning they are protecting something down there. Whether their piece is a red rocket, corkscrew, or a floppy sausage is up for debate but clearly they are armoring something down there. Otherwise seeing as how they can take heavy gunfire and be fine, I don't see why they would single that part out if they weren't protective of it.
We also know that they also wear some form of undergarments meaning they do have some level of modesty. How large those speedos are is up to the individual, but we know they wear them. So with that being said, its more likely they have an ass and some form or genitalia. Else if there was nothing, there is nothing to hide down there and they do armor themselves, they for sure armor the front and in some cases double up.
The mandibles also don't seem to be anywhere near a sexual organ as well. The mandibles from what we know are able to be prehensile stabbing tools as Fugitive could do so, and Upgrade (though a hybrid) was able to pry off a guy's skull with them. Meaning that they are likely first and foremost a method of capturing prey items. The mandibles also grow extra tusks as evident by City Hunter and Wolf, meaning that if used in the act of mating, not only should we be seeing more facial scaring even on the males (seeing as we have no reason to believe the females couldn't couldn't grow extra tusks) but we should also be seeing more breakages. If the mandibles are present to lock the heads in place, if one or both partners move a certain way they run the risk of snapping a mandible. Either at the tusk or potentially breaking a bone in the Yaujta's face. To that end and being the primary form of communicating I find it unlikely. The PredAlien's mandibles also extended forward to do that while all other Predators could bend. The Predator mandibles don't exactly extend so much as they flare outwards. They appear shorter by comparison because they are usually relaxed or tighter to the face. It was also the inner jaw depositing the embryos which is a Xenomorph biological item that we have no reason to believe Yaujta possess. The resulting offspring had also been Human derived Aliens and lacked Predator traits. Meaning that if it was Predator in nature we would be seeing more resulting traits like mandibles or even coloration. All Aliens spawning from Chet did not possess any Predator traits and thus we have no reason to believe that this is a function of Predator DNA. If nothing else it could've been caused by the mutation, however a mutation doesn't have to be from one or the other parties involved, it could just be a new sequence resulting in Egg vomiting.
Chet was also becoming a Queen during Requiem and while she didn't live long enough to do it, she was at an in-between stage between a Warrior/Drone and the Queen, meaning that this could also just as easily be a function of the Praetorian. But this trait is also heavily reliant on pregnant creatures being available to be a literal ugly mother f----- with. Meaning that in the absence of a pregnant individual we have no reason to believe Chet would've even bothered to utilize it, this trait is likely opportunistic. On the side of the Predators while it's not unheard of for someone to have sex with their wife, its another to supplant an individual embryo of another species with their own and to my knowledge there is no naturally occurring species that does this. That also calls into question where the Yaujta species even came from if they require a Yaujta to do this but you can't get one without another Yaujta and a pregnant female. Essentially you require a Yaujta and a pregnant female to get a Yaujta but you need the Yaujta in the first place to do this.
We also know that their mouths don't have cheeks and while the flaps between the mandibles would minimize the loss of semen to some degree, the Predator's would have to aim pretty well and that's also noting that there could be some substantial difference in the area of the mouth among individuals. If it's a proboscis as well, we have no evidence the Yaujta even possess one but more to that problem is that the mouth is the primary form breathing. The Yaujta if it was a protracted experience runs the risk of suffocation. The Helmets would also be adapted for this problem seeing as while some do have areas where the mouth is visible, the Yaujta still can't open up their mandibles all that wide to release some sort of proboscis nor could they properly shoot semen as the mandibles would be in the way. The mandible portion of the helmet also prevents them from locking up. The Helmet also is an effort to remove, though not a problem for Upgrade, the other Predators had to dislodge a few items before the helmet could be removed. While they could just remove it before the efforts begin, we also know by Predator 2 and by Requiem that it isn't uncommon for them to walk around with it on. Seeing as there could easily be females aboard any given ship it would make things unnecessarily harder for them to do the deed if they have to take a few moments to take the helmet off.
All of this is my long-winded rabbit hole of an explanation to say that Chet's vomiting is a mutation or Praetorian trait and that we have no reason to simply think that the Predator wouldn't just stick their sausage into it. It's just easier to assume that they have a penis than over-complicating it with genetic mutations, a creator of an entire species, and resulting in a creature that vaguely resembles them and requires a parasitic host to make more...why does this all sound familiar?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5OzyDNAicJY
They likely just have a cloaca, and wear the underwear to help prevent infection.
Simple, efficient, natural.
I can see them reproducing asexually. Which would explain why we haven't seen females.
That they're faces look like vaginas, is just the hand they were dealt. ;D
Quote from: Huggs on Mar 22, 2019, 01:12:21 AM
They likely just have a cloaca, and wear the underwear to help prevent infection.
Simple, efficient, natural.
Gee, doc, I'm kinda in a hurry. Can I just leave my underwear?
(https://i0.wp.com/geargods.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/9-predator2.gif?resize=370%2C204)
You could always assume the mouths are there for the alien tongue. ;D
You're all just jealous of my Predator reproductive organ imagination!!!
Some are meant to give, some to receive.
Now open wide, and let the alien make all your dreams come true Mr Yautja.
Is it possible the predators are just on a galactic conquest to discover their own sexuality? Maybe they're collecting our DNA in order to grow genitalia. Perhaps they're just frustrated like david?
Did someone say... sexually frustated David thread? Don't worry I'm here.
Quote from: Huggs on Mar 22, 2019, 03:32:42 AM
Is it possible the predators are just on a galactic conquest to discover their own sexuality? Maybe they're collecting our DNA in order to grow genitalia. Perhaps they're just frustrated like david?
Geez I guess Ridley has no choice now but to bring Predators in the next movie, David needs something to talk to about his sexual frustations, something that can relate to him and I doubt Aliens are good listeners. The Predators can help him grow a willy. Ha. I knew David would regret killing Shaw in the future.
Thereby accidentally bringing to David the secret of Willy growth, enabling him to sprout one and conquer the universe.
What shall we call this movie?
I'm sure Ridley will come out with a title that brings an appropriate metaphor to the plot.
Spoiler
Alien: Phallus Synthetic?
Alien: Schlong Uprising?
Quote from: Samhain13 on Mar 22, 2019, 04:29:35 AM
I'm sure Ridley will come out with a title that brings an appropriate metaphor to the plot.
Spoiler
Alien: Phallus Synthetic?
Alien: Schlong Uprising?
:laugh:
Nice artwork quality, but human breasts never made any sense, considering how their mouths operate. They wouldn't be able to breast-feed.
Either the infants have the same kind or fangs which would lacerate soft tissue, making any attempt something which could potentially mortally injure the mother from loss of blood. Or, if they don't, then they still don't have the upper/lower lips which would allow them to create the necessary suction around a spherical object. They'd be the sloppiest, messiest feeders, ever. Wouldn't be able to create the stimulation necessary or, even if they could, the milk would go all over the place.
Having them born/hatched and able to catch/eat live prey, like infant crocodiles and snakes, would also play way more into their natural aptitude for instinctive hunting.
On the other hand, I've often speculated that the reason for those cosmetic differences on the heads of those in the second film, might have been a clue to a different type of gender. No cleavage, just different colouration and spikes and such. I'd be happy with that, as it would help to serve as a reminder that they're basically an alien creature.
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Mar 22, 2019, 03:24:16 PM
Nice artwork quality, but human breasts never made any sense, considering how their mouths operate. They wouldn't be able to breast-feed.
Either the infants have the same kind or fangs which would lacerate soft tissue, making any attempt something which could potentially mortally injure the mother from loss of blood. Or, if they don't, then they still don't have the upper/lower lips which would allow them to create the necessary suction around a spherical object. They'd be the sloppiest, messiest feeders, ever. Wouldn't be able to create the stimulation necessary or, even if they could, the milk would go all over the place.
Having them born/hatched and able to catch/eat live prey, like infant crocodiles and snakes, would also play way more into their natural aptitude for instinctive hunting.
On the other hand, I've often speculated that the reason for those cosmetic differences on the heads of those in the second film, might have been a clue to a different type of gender. No cleavage, just different colouration and spikes and such. I'd be happy with that, as it would help to serve as a reminder that they're basically an alien creature.
Hear, hear!
Subtle differences between designs is the best way to convey different sex imho.
Like Stan Winston said " As is a snake is a snake, but different snakes are different. Their colorings are different, different parts of their characteristics, their facial structures,
subtle differences."
Quote from: AhabPredator on Mar 21, 2019, 07:08:21 PM
Quote from: JokersWarPig on Mar 21, 2019, 02:58:56 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Mar 21, 2019, 12:58:58 PM
And is it only me or others out there think Predators mouths are their actual sex organs, which would definitely explain the egg-barfing in AvP Requiem.
(https://i.imgur.com/ddL2Dn3.jpg)
This made me spew hot coffee out of my nose. I actually love and hate you at the same time.
I do what I can ;D
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Mar 22, 2019, 03:24:16 PM
Nice artwork quality, but human breasts never made any sense, considering how their mouths operate. They wouldn't be able to breast-feed.
Either the infants have the same kind or fangs which would lacerate soft tissue, making any attempt something which could potentially mortally injure the mother from loss of blood. Or, if they don't, then they still don't have the upper/lower lips which would allow them to create the necessary suction around a spherical object. They'd be the sloppiest, messiest feeders, ever. Wouldn't be able to create the stimulation necessary or, even if they could, the milk would go all over the place.
Having them born/hatched and able to catch/eat live prey, like infant crocodiles and snakes, would also play way more into their natural aptitude for instinctive hunting.
On the other hand, I've often speculated that the reason for those cosmetic differences on the heads of those in the second film, might have been a clue to a different type of gender. No cleavage, just different colouration and spikes and such. I'd be happy with that, as it would help to serve as a reminder that they're basically an alien creature.
See now, this would make sense. I think being egg-born from a cloaca (like Huggs mentioned) would fit the role that they play in their 'habitat' (being born already with some ability to defend themselves or at least feed). Only issue I see is their heads. Granted, they're an alien species - anything is possible - but how could they learn to balance? ??? Seems like it would take time for them to learn the mobility and gain the muscle mass to hold their heads up. This in essence would make them vulnerable, just like human babies (or chicks).
Perhaps the head's a different form, immaturity to maturity.
That would certainly solve a lot of issues with their physiology, if their heads grew as their bodies matured.
It's logical.
Comparison: Jungle Hunter's head structure and Elder Predator's head structure, the growth. Bone, muscle and hairs.
(https://images.ecosia.org/3rdJHRXJGr-OGz6MuCUQtuP0nRY=/0x390/smart/http%3A%2F%2Fbasementrejects.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2012%2F06%2Fpredator-1987-alien-make-up-design.jpg)
(https://images.ecosia.org/XBZUFDq6diq_4eB8lvfh9LmPSX4=/0x390/smart/https%3A%2F%2F4.bp.blogspot.com%2F-PuwTgPr9604%2FU_V4v3Y8IvI%2FAAAAAAAAEyM%2FBZICvav4TJ0%2Fs1600%2Fpredator-2.5.jpg)
Cartilage turning into bone as the infant pred matures. This could also support the idea of a live birth theory (which there is actually a species of chameleon that gives live birth instead of laying eggs).
I know the idea of live birth seems like an overly humanized/simplified idea to some, but I think it makes the most sense- assuming they are born upright and are a similar size to that of a primate baby. Then again maybe it is one large leathery egg that they push out! Lol
I don't necessarily think they hatch/come out ready to hunt and kill. There's definitely some amount of nurturing involved which doesn't have to equate to breastfeeding, but maybe something more along the lines of how birds feed their young. Killing/preparing the food so that it can be easily consumed by an infant.
They could be born similar to that of an Elephant where they are born mostly functional but still require nurturing of the parent and can be weened fairly quickly. Given that little about Predator births make sense, they might just have a fairly long gestation period enabling the Predator to be born more developed than something like a Human infant.
That would make some semblance of sense seeing as they have fairly long lifespans. The Greyback in Predator 2 presented a pistol to Harrigan that would've been 282 years old at the time. The film frames it as something Greyback collected meaning that Greyback is pushing 300 or is past it. The Predators of AVP go through that ritual every 100 years meaning that what is considered a senior citizen to us is basically a teenager to them.
If the gestation period is simply longer it would mean they wouldn't require as much post-birth resources from the mother. Elephants also learn what to eat by watching the adults which might explain how the Predators initially begin hunting seeing as its required for resources.
Seeing as the infants are likely in comparable size to a Human infant and share muscle structure with humans, they are likely similarly reliant on the parents for a given period of time. If AVP is any indicator though, it means the Predators are sufficient enough as is if not before becoming teenagers seeing as Chopper possessed some mounted Human skulls.
Quote from: SuperiorIronman on Mar 23, 2019, 01:31:07 PM
They could be born similar to that of an Elephant where they are born mostly functional but still require nurturing of the parent and can be weened fairly quickly.
So... like most mammals? Especially those born on the Serengeti. Where predatory animals await like flies to pick off the newly born.
Quote from: SuperiorIronman on Mar 23, 2019, 01:31:07 PM
The Predators of AVP go through that ritual every 100 years meaning that what is considered a senior citizen to us is basically a teenager to them.
If you use AVP as an example you also have too take in Anderson's bunk theory of Jungle Hunter and City Hunter being kids.
Which is baseless and stupid imho.
Quote from: JungleHunter87 on Mar 23, 2019, 04:41:43 PM
If you use AVP as an example you also have too take in Anderson's bunk theory of Jungle Hunter and City Hunter being kids.
Which is baseless and stupid imho.
The teenager/manhood part is mentioned on the unrated version of the movie, while they only say "ritual of passage" on the normal version. Nothing about Jungle/City Hunter's age is ever mentioned on screen. Besides those 2 already had plasma casters, the teens had to earn them for the first on this ritual.
They do the ritual on Earth every 100 years but if you take the EU, they have pyramids on other planets too, they might also do the same ritual on other planets. So were shown to do the blooding by hunting aliens after spreading eggs on a planet.
Quote from: Samhain13 on Mar 23, 2019, 05:10:34 PM
Quote from: JungleHunter87 on Mar 23, 2019, 04:41:43 PM
If you use AVP as an example you also have too take in Anderson's bunk theory of Jungle Hunter and City Hunter being kids.
Which is baseless and stupid imho.
The teenager/manhood part is mentioned on the unrated version of the movie, while they only say "ritual of passage" on the normal version. Nothing about Jungle/City Hunter's age is ever mentioned on screen. Besides those 2 already had plasma casters, the teens had to earn them for the first on this ritual.
They do the ritual on Earth every 100 years but if you take the EU, they have pyramids on other planets too, they might also do the same ritual on other planets. So were shown to do the blooding by hunting aliens after spreading eggs on a planet.
The films show blooding as literally using the acidic blood of a Xenomorph too burn one's clan mark onto one's forehead.
Neither Jungle Hunter nor City Hunter had such markings. Nor did the rest of the lost tribe.
However, the Elder in AVP had the marking.
Whereas Greyback didn't in PREDATOR 2.
I prefer to keep AVP far away from the regular PREDATOR universe for this reason.
Now some have said it could be a clan specific thing. But, the film never depicts it as such. Indeed it's shown as a species specific ritual. Although it's sequel doesn't continue this theme. What with Wolf lacking a clan marking altogether. Save for the writings on his bio mask.
Anyway, female Predators could breed like some Shark species. Where they start as eggs inside the mothers womb. The eggs hatch in the womb and the ones that hatch first, eat their unhatched siblings. Then the surviving pups are live birthed and are completely self sufficient once birthed.
I didn't get the impression that, in AVP, it was the first time the Predators got to use guns. I figured, on that particular hunt, they were to obtain those specific plasma cannons- which do seem to be larger than the pred guns in previous films.
Because they can be deemed an advanced species with their own established society/rituals/rules and language, I think there is a lot more nurturing that takes place between the parents/females and their young.
On the note of the helmets, Wolf did have a variety of helmets on the wall and since we don't see clan markings on them so it could be assumed that Wolf just had multiple helmets. Granted they could be belonging to other Predators, but that sequence is primarily about Wolf getting the call and suiting up so I would presume that moment is in Wolf's armory.
During the Flashback in AVP 2004 we also see those Predators without the marking. The Predator who actually succeeded in the trial lacked it, whereas what little we could see of the three who possessed shoulder cannons in the trial where they failed didn't as well.
During the opening of Requiem the Bone Grill Predator didn't and seeing as he was on a ship with Xenomorph cargo and tasked with preparing trophies he's probably higher in rank. Bull also lacks the clan marking and we see him blow out part of the ship with the cannon.
The clan marking is probably not a requirement seeing as there are other examples in AVP and its sequel who lack it but are still Alien handlers and or have the gun.
The only other example who has the clan marking (or that specific one) is the Elder at the end of the movie. Otherwise it's not on the other Predators and to my knowledge it doesn't even reappear in Requiem outside of on Scar's corpse. Seeing as how one can (and they often do) loose the helmet, it would make sense it's not a requirement and that they'd just have other helmets.
I think an interesting way to get around the curvy Amazon angle would be to make a female Predator, or at least an individual or certain class, more like a creepy old sha-woman or witch doctor - some kind of elder that sees males/whoever off to hunt or war. Wrapped in cloaks, leaving most to the imagination, wearing some kind of ornate ceremonial mask. You'd see her arms and that's about it, but you'd get the idea they were some kind of matriarchal figure. A female performer would help a lot, too.
Quote from: The Old One on Mar 23, 2019, 03:02:10 AM
It's logical.
Comparison: Jungle Hunter's head structure and Elder Predator's head structure, the growth. Bone, muscle and hairs.
If memory serves right, they both have an identical structure, as it was the same mask they just added stuff to and gave different colour.
Quote from: PredBabe on Mar 23, 2019, 11:50:59 PM
I didn't get the impression that, in AVP, it was the first time the Predators got to use guns. I figured, on that particular hunt, they were to obtain those specific plasma cannons- which do seem to be larger than the pred guns in previous films.
Would agree with that. It's technology which is at least 100 years old. It'd be like us unleashing young adults to retrieve civil war rifles as their primary means of physical protection. Functional, but not modern.
I'd say they fought quite well for being armed with crusty, outdated weaponry :laugh:
Quote from: Gilfryd on Mar 24, 2019, 02:31:06 PM
I think an interesting way to get around the curvy Amazon angle would be to make a female Predator, or at least an individual or certain class, more like a creepy old sha-woman or witch doctor - some kind of elder that sees males/whoever off to hunt or war. Wrapped in cloaks, leaving most to the imagination, wearing some kind of ornate ceremonial mask. You'd see her arms and that's about it, but you'd get the idea they were some kind of matriarchal figure. A female performer would help a lot, too.
I can see the picture you're trying to paint, but idk. I'd kinda prefer it if they just outright showed us the other sex instead of keeping it in obscurity, as it has been since pretty much the beginning (minus what we've been shown in a few comics.)
The Predators at the end of Predator 2 use existing assets with few either being heavy mods to existing parts or made for that scene.
The Greyback either uses the original mask or the same molds to create the Greyback and they then modified it to be as if that Predator was older. Structurally it is the same mask, but they painted it to be older and gave it some quills and horns to make it look different from the original Predator.
I wouldn't know if the osteoderms indicate that they are specifically older seeing as there have been a lot of Predator faces and Predator 2 is the only one that depicts them with facial osteoderms outside of Upgrade and that was a special case. They do possess osteoderms (although I'm pretty sure both Jungle Hunters and Scar's clan don't) but I wouldn't call that an indicator of age because they're inconsistent. The Elders (and we have no idea how old they even are) both possess greying dreads and are meant to be depicted older than their peers.
And as that relates back to aging weaponry, the guns in AVP are meant to be larger caliber.
The idea was that since the Predators are fighting "big game" they need a bigger gun. It's the same reason the rifle variant was used in the original comic because they felt the shoulder cannon was too small to be believable. However not all of the guns are like this because of the three guns in the pyramid, they are of varying sizes. Of course the one Scar uses is fairly large, but there is one in the pyramid that's closer to the regular size guns of the Jungle Hunters. It and its medium sized counterpart are just never used on film. Considering we know Predators live much longer than at least 300 years, 100 year old weapons doesn't seem like that big of an issue considering they are meant to be picked up and used by the teenagers. The ritual more or less is for earning the usage of it and I'd imagine they would be able to replace it for any number of reasons later on. But outside of Wolf picking up another and later converting one into a pistol we have no idea if they are outdated or where the other variants come from to begin with. We only know that Scar's clan performs the ritual, not that it's a regular thing nor know where the weapons come from to begin with.
After rewatching it, again, just the other day, I'm not sure if they were there to earn the right to pick them up. The Predators seem worried by the fact the humans have accessed the weapons vault and start running ahead, like they hadn't anticipated such an eventuality occurring.
Typically, it seems like the weapons being picked up are what then triggers the eggs. It's not meant to be a challenge for the Predators to get to the guns. It's more like them retrieving them is what initiates the facility's automated procedure, like pressing an 'on' button.
So, perhaps Predators not bringing their own along was more of a ceremonial observance. Not a rite of passage. Maybe they're just that arrogant that they didn't consider the natural curiosity of humans gaining access to their weapons storage. After all, the last time it was accessed would have been by loyal priests. Can't imagine the whalers would have known how to open it, if they even ventured down to that area.
I don't know how I forgot about the "on" button. If we ever explore that concept again I'm curious what would be explored regarding the weapon. The games have explored the idea that the weapons and armor do carry some sort of significance, so I'd be curious what might be explored regarding the Predator's cannons. I'd love to see something like a campfire scene where a shaman or something explains the significance of the weapons and armor.
Thought just crossed my mind though..., we never see anyone explicitly female in the films.
All of the Predators in Predator 2, AVP, and Requiem are male. There is not a single female among the groups and while you could argue some might be aboard the ship, they are not present to watch City Hunter's battle with Harrigan nor the battle with the Queen. They aren't even present in the flashback in either scenario. That part is especially interesting to me because we never see one participate in the ritual. Sure they might do it and we just never saw those events, but it is curious. Now the real world answer is that it's just easier to redress the stunt and hero suits, but the females are curiously absent from the hunts and ritual even on their home turf. Wolf is also to our knowledge the only Predator present in the scene which is said to even be on the homeworld. So Wolf is not only solitary but he has a fairly large collection and that's only his gear. Sure it could belong to others but we have no reason to believe he's anywhere else but his lair. To me the better question isn't what they look like but more, where are all the women at?
Amusingly there is also the thought that even if they don't have breasts, their pecs (assuming the waist is still relative to some form of birth process)would still be scaled up to Predator size Meaning that guys on the internet regardless will have the debate of Yaujta boobs. There is no escape.
You think if Predators did get the female Pornhub would make the distinction of mask or no mask? Because somehow I doubt the crab face would stop people.
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Mar 26, 2019, 09:45:59 PM
Typically, it seems like the weapons being picked up are what then triggers the eggs. It's not meant to be a challenge for the Predators to get to the guns. It's more like them retrieving them is what initiates the facility's automated procedure, like pressing an 'on' button.
I'm a little surprised this in question. Lex even says they took the guards guns and disrupted the balance.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 27, 2019, 08:36:11 AM
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Mar 26, 2019, 09:45:59 PM
Typically, it seems like the weapons being picked up are what then triggers the eggs. It's not meant to be a challenge for the Predators to get to the guns. It's more like them retrieving them is what initiates the facility's automated procedure, like pressing an 'on' button.
I'm a little surprised this in question. Lex even says they took the guards guns and disrupted the balance.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2Na9NXBW_Cc
Quote from: SuperiorIronman on Mar 26, 2019, 11:04:01 PM
Thought just crossed my mind though..., we never see anyone explicitly female in the films.
All of the Predators in Predator 2, AVP, and Requiem are male.
We don't know what gender the ones we've seen are - or if even
have any genders. They might have been a mixture, without gender or even all exclusively
female.
They could also have some really bizarre arrangement, like anglerfish, where the males are literally microscopic vampiric parasites who attach for life.
Did I mention I think a Predator's mouth contains its reproductive organ?
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Mar 27, 2019, 09:08:09 PM
Did I mention I think a Predator's mouth contains its reproductive organ?
Contains? It is the reproductive organ.
Quote from: Huggs on Mar 27, 2019, 09:49:59 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Mar 27, 2019, 09:08:09 PM
Did I mention I think a Predator's mouth contains its reproductive organ?
Contains? It is the reproductive organ.
So they breathe through their reproductive organ?
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Mar 27, 2019, 10:37:42 PM
Quote from: Huggs on Mar 27, 2019, 09:49:59 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Mar 27, 2019, 09:08:09 PM
Did I mention I think a Predator's mouth contains its reproductive organ?
Contains? It is the reproductive organ.
So they breathe through their reproductive organ?
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