I'd love to see someone re-edit Prometheus with some different music cues and see if the film can be made better. It would be an interesting project.
Thought the music was pretty good myself. The movie does not need cut up. It needs shit put in.
Quote from: Highland on Aug 11, 2012, 01:32:36 PMThought the music was pretty good myself. The movie does not need cut up. It needs shit put in.
I reckon that there are a few music cues that could be improved upon (what the f**k is that SHIT IN MY EYE!)... dah dum!
I agree that the film is already cut to within an inch of its life, but a fan edit would still be fun to watch.
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Aug 11, 2012, 11:42:47 AM
I'd love to see someone re-edit Prometheus with some different music cues and see if the film can be made better. It would be an interesting project.
Invariably fan edits are sh*te, because invariably fan edits are done by individuals with nothing better to do.
Quote from: Darth Vile on Aug 11, 2012, 01:50:02 PM
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Aug 11, 2012, 11:42:47 AM
I'd love to see someone re-edit Prometheus with some different music cues and see if the film can be made better. It would be an interesting project.
Invariably fan edits are sh*te, because invariably fan edits are done by individuals with nothing better to do.
I'd like to differ for the very same reason you mentioned. Sometimes fan edits are actually better, because fans are just simple folks and can experiment a lot. Meanwhile world-known movie directors have their respect and multi-million $ contracts on the line. There is a certain limit as to how much risk they are willing to take. Fans are anonymous people on the internet, they (we) don't need to worry about respect or money (which is also a bonus, since fans make stuff because they have passion for it, not because of money) and thus when experimenting I've seen people coming up with ideas worth hundreds of million $ in Hollywood. Off course, about 90% of fan-made stuff
is in fact bullsh*t. But the remaining 10%, when good, are
really good and make it worthwhile to standout with 90% of crap.
The problems aren't something you can fix with the existing material though. Sure, maybe fix the music in one or two scenes, but ultimately what has been cut (i.e what isn't available to fans, until October) is what needs to be reinserted to make this movie even better. 'Flesh out characters more' is the biggest goal.
Quote from: bov930527 on Aug 11, 2012, 01:58:03 PM
Quote from: Darth Vile on Aug 11, 2012, 01:50:02 PM
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Aug 11, 2012, 11:42:47 AM
I'd love to see someone re-edit Prometheus with some different music cues and see if the film can be made better. It would be an interesting project.
Invariably fan edits are sh*te, because invariably fan edits are done by individuals with nothing better to do.
I'd like to differ for the very same reason you mentioned. Sometimes fan edits are actually better, because fans are just simple folks and can experiment a lot. Meanwhile world-known movie directors have their respect and multi-million $ contracts on the line. There is a certain limit as to how much risk they are willing to take. Fans are anonymous people on the internet, they (we) don't need to worry about respect or money (which is also a bonus, since fans make stuff because they have passion for it, not because of money) and thus when experimenting I've seen people coming up with ideas worth hundreds of million $ in Hollywood. Off course, about 90% of fan-made stuff is in fact bullsh*t. But the remaining 10%, when good, are really good and make it worthwhile to standout with 90% of crap.
The most high profile ones I've seen have been the
Star Wars edits... and whilst technically ok - and clearly time and effort have been put in, they are nothing more than 'interesting' and a curio (IMHO). I'd be interested to know which you'd recommend though...
I mentioned in a different topic that I had considered doing an edit when the deleted scenes come out.
My intention was to alter the music and thus try and create a true mood and atmosphere. Not one that stops and starts constantly. I posted some Penderecki in a thread before the film came out, where we were talking about what we hoped the soundtrack would sound like.
Would also add/cut scenes. Such as the dream sequence, because that was bloody brutal.
Dunno when I'd have time to work on this though. I'm busy with other creative things.
Anyone have other ideas as to what they'd like to change/alter/cut/keep?
im going to edit it and add dialogue to make the scientist seem more like scientist.
Quote from: tmjhur on Aug 11, 2012, 08:04:12 PM
I mentioned in a different topic that I had considered doing an edit when the deleted scenes come out.
My intention was to alter the music and thus try and create a true mood and atmosphere. Not one that stops and starts constantly. I posted some Penderecki in a thread before the film came out, where we were talking about what we hoped the soundtrack would sound like.
Would also add/cut scenes. Such as the dream sequence, because that was bloody brutal.
Dunno when I'd have time to work on this though. I'm busy with other creative things.
Anyone have other ideas as to what they'd like to change/alter/cut/keep?
I think from a structural perspective... the best and most fundamental change/edit would be to reduce the amount of trips to the temple from 3 to 2... all though I'm pretty sure that's not feasible due to the differing elements involved. If that's not possible... perhaps cut the sequence with the David/star map sequence. That would at least save the reveal of that location/set to the more pertinent section i.e. the engineer's awakening scene.
A simpler improvement (requiring very little effort) would be to remove the Deacon segment... as I don't think that scene is needed. However, I'm not sure that deletion would improve the movie for those that don't like it.
QuoteSometimes fan edits are actually better, because fans are just simple folks and can experiment a lot.
Example?
Quote from: SM on Aug 12, 2012, 01:33:39 AM
QuoteSometimes fan edits are actually better, because fans are just simple folks and can experiment a lot.
Example?
There is a fan-edit of AvP I saw on the internet a couple of years back that was about 45 (maybe 50+, I don't really remember) minutes long and that I thought was actually better paced and kept my tension more than the original. However, it is the
only fan-edit I've ever seen. I don't know where I found it or where it is right now, so unfortunately I can't provide any more info than that straight out of my memory. (I also think it was deleted due to copyright or some).
Quote from: SM on Aug 12, 2012, 01:33:39 AM
QuoteSometimes fan edits are actually better, because fans are just simple folks and can experiment a lot.
Example?
Army of darkness Primitive screwhead edition. :)
Not that it is better, but the most complete version and it is way better imo than theatrical.
Hi, can anybody offer any advice on the first steps of how to actually go about this?
I know how to use editing software etc but how do I get all the scenes off the DVD, what kind of time would it take to rip all the scenes off the DVD. So my real question is, how long would the pre production (so to speak) take before I could actually get down to work on the edit?
Quote from: tmjhur on Aug 12, 2012, 05:37:24 PM
Hi, can anybody offer any advice on the first steps of how to actually go about this?
I know how to use editing software etc but how do I get all the scenes off the DVD, what kind of time would it take to rip all the scenes off the DVD. So my real question is, how long would the pre production (so to speak) take before I could actually get down to work on the edit?
It wouldn't take long at all. The only thing that would take time is deciding what you want to edit. You don't piece the movie together bit by bit, you leave it as it is then trim what you don't want or shuffle a scene to a different point in the timeline.
I can't recommend any programs but I'm sure something like Adobe Premier would be a good place to start.
You'd need a DVD ripper that can get around the copy protection, then convert it to a format you can edit in (MOV or AVI or something). Do the same for any deleted scenes you might want to include. Then drop it into Premiere or FCP or whatever. The ripping and converting might take a couple of hours depending on the speed of your machine and whether you know what you're doing.
I've ripped stuff using Hand-Brake and Mac The Ripper.
I've done some editing with I-Movie HD which would theoretically work fine for this as I can't image I'd be doing visual cross fades.
In terms of the sound though, I'm not sure if you can cross fade music on I-Movie and I don't know what resolutions it outputs, so I'd need to check out those things.
Anyway I'll have to wait until the DVD comes out and I've watched the film a second time to see if it's truly a mess.
It would be an interesting exercise anyway to see how things can change and if the silly things in the movie can be salvaged, and if the tone can be shifted to be more sinister and unnerving.
By the way, do any of you guys have the DIE HARD trilogy release that has the bonus discs where you can re edit scenes with all the coverage they shot? It's interesting for sure.
I am a faneditor myself so I can help a little.
QuoteYou'd need a DVD ripper that can get around the copy protection, then convert it to a format you can edit in (MOV or AVI or something).
Keep the original format. Mpeg-2 is easy for editing and Womble Mpeg Editor handles it well. It may create MPEG file or DVD folder fast and without any quality loss. It's more complicated however if you want to edit HD blu-ray sourced material. I've done some fanedits and I intend to do Prometheus extended cut with all of released deleted scenes (but only if they're completed and there is no CGI missing or other problems like that), maybe some rearranging of scenes to reduce plot problems if possible.
Audio editing, especially adding new music and keeping SFX and dialogue at the same time is almost always difficult, sometimes even impossible. It depends how sounds are separated among all channels of 5.1 track. You need to demux this track to 6 mono Wavs, and edit all of them separately, then, after deleting all unwanted sounds, you may add what you want to selected channels, then remux it back to 5.1. You may also add sounds straight to 5.1 track, but results may not be as satisfying. I'd recommend creating separate MPEG file for scene which is to be edited, then demux audio from it and working on just this piece, not the whole movie audio track.
Programs like BeLight, Audacity or GoldWave may be helpful.
Good luck :)
QuoteSo my real question is, how long would the pre production (so to speak) take before I could actually get down to work on the edit?
Under one hour I suppose.
Cheers thanks, very helpful post.
I'll see where I'm at in a few months.
Lots of hopefully great films coming out to take my mind off the disappointment of Prometheus.
and btw, Womble can cross audio without problem.
I used to use Gordian Knot (not Auto GK though), VobSub, VirtualDub, etc.
So...is anyone working on a fanedit that puts the new Fifield mutant footage in?
I'm very eager to know of any future releases.
I started working on one yesterday, but had some difficulty because of the files were so big that it made my computer hiccup and hang to the point where I couldn't justify the amount of time I was putting into each cut. I was using Mp4 files - maybe MPEG 2 are better?
i also made a fan edition this weekend with the following deleted scenes included:
00:00:58:05 (T'IS THE SEASON) (DELETED SCENE)
00:00:42:08 (OUR FIRST ALIEN) (DELETED SCENE)
00:01:22:01 (WE'RE NOT ALONE ANYMORE) (DELETED SCENE)
00:01:25:04 (HOLLOWAY HUNGOVER) (DELETED SCENE)
00:03:27:07 (JANEK FILLS VICKERS IN) (DELETED SCENE)
00:03:40:12 (A KING HAS HIS REIGN) (DELETED SCENE)
00:02:01:24 (FITFIELD ATTACKS) (DELETED SCENE)
00:04:06:06 (THE ENGINEER SPEAKS) (DELETED SCENE) /NOT THE WHOLE SCENE/
00:05:05:19 (PARADISE) (DELETED SCENE) /NOT THE WHOLE SCENE, rather the mixed of the two ending- there are no scenes with unfinished cgi in it/
ALSO INCLUDED:
prometheus files - peter weyland (for opening scene, the engineer were cut to make it much more shocking his presence at the end)
prometheus files - transmission (some scenes from the transmission including the crew and that nice Earth scene just before we arriving aboard the Prometheus in the story, feels like a transmission in space, helps the character development)
thats it....but with vegas pro it takes at least 20 hours to render the movie o.O even if its in 2 parts so...i dont know what should i do
Did u use other software besides vegas pro for making this fan edit ??
yep only that
K cool, maybe i'll make a fan edit myself ^^
Talking of fanedits, my Weyland Investors Cut that you may or may not have heard about is in finishing stages...here's a trailer I put together last night for it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3wwk3MtZXtI#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3wwk3MtZXtI#ws)
And a poster:
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FFqbcq.jpg&hash=d04d22ce47cc209ad8f3bfbbd90ebd79f56a367d)
Premiering next Sat as it says in the trailer. Includes ALL THE DELETED SCENES reinserted back in with minimal removal (apart from to replace a scene with its alternate counterpart) of footage from the theatrical version. Runtime is 2 HOURS 19.
Done it in Premiere, and it does not take 20 hours to render...and that's in HD :) As mentioned before, may organise distribution via PMs of the HD copy the week of Blu-ray release, the official rule is that to legally own a copy and for it to be not considered pirating you should own the source material - ideally the BD but DigitalHD should be OK I think.
Did you put the "Janek fills vickers in" back in ? i did not like that scene :laugh: Maybe because i want Vickers to be an android :P
then maybe i'll render then my version in a bunch of small parts and cut them together and render in a whole movie with the program u used
i just dont want to mess with the sounds, fades again... who long did it take to render the movie for you?
Quote from: Snowdog on Sep 30, 2012, 09:48:41 PM
Did you put the "Janek fills vickers in" back in ? i did not like that scene :laugh: Maybe because i want Vickers to be an android :P
Everything is in there.
Quote from: szkoki on Sep 30, 2012, 10:01:33 PM
then maybe i'll render then my version in a bunch of small parts and cut them together and render in a whole movie with the program u used
i just dont want to mess with the sounds, fades again... who long did it take to render the movie for you?
1.5 hours, 720p, bitrate 3.5 Mbps
Did you cut out the unfinished shots from the deleted scenes ? :laugh: I'll shut up now :-X Should watch it first ^^
Quote from: Snowdog on Sep 30, 2012, 10:07:52 PM
Did you cut out the unfinished shots from the deleted scenes ? :laugh: I'll shut up now :-X Should watch it first ^^
As much theatrical footage as possible is spliced back into the deleted scenes where necessary.
Cool :) really looking forward to it
The very first scene with Shaw and Holloway doesnt seem necessary... the hangar briefing ends up repeating some of the same exposition anyway. (and introduces the characters as well)
I'd cut that scene if i was doing a fan edit :P
If i do a fan edit (when i have enough time :P) i'd cut the opening sequence. Put in the weyland TED talk, after that the Title of the movie and cut to the first Prometheus scene. Gives Weyland a lot more character development in the movie. It is a character with so much potential but they killed him off in the first movie :(
It needs the other mutated fifield. Please take out the super zombie meatball boogie man that we got.
I have an idea. You know the scene where Holloway's like, "I'm an asshole and your a robot, anything and everything, bro" and then David poisons him? Make it so that the scene ends with David saying, "Thought you were running low" and picking up the glass. Also, cut out Milburn and Fifield's death, or have the hammerpede's hand strike happen immediately, without Milburn fumbling around and playing with it.
Quote from: antovolk on Sep 30, 2012, 09:40:24 PM
Includes ALL THE DELETED SCENES reinserted back in with minimal removal (apart from to replace a scene with its alternate counterpart) of footage from the theatrical version. Runtime is 2 HOURS 19.
Good stuff, man. I'm definitely looking forward to it. This is the way to go if you really want to be the premier fanedit - then others can cut/mix scenes if they'd like to make their own.
Quote from: SM on Aug 12, 2012, 01:33:39 AM
QuoteSometimes fan edits are actually better, because fans are just simple folks and can experiment a lot.
Example?
Star Wars: The Phantom Edit. I like the other regular version too but this was pretty cool to watch and I liked it better.
Don't forget about the Terminator 3 fanedit
Quote from: echobbase79 on Oct 01, 2012, 04:14:46 AM
Quote from: SM on Aug 12, 2012, 01:33:39 AM
QuoteSometimes fan edits are actually better, because fans are just simple folks and can experiment a lot.
Example?
Star Wars: The Phantom Edit. I like the other regular version too but this was pretty cool to watch and I liked it better.
the only way that edit made sense was to watch the the official versin first - which kind of defeats the object. TPM had too much exposition for sure, but said exposition was needed.
Hey yall , i worked on a fan edit the past week that includes the cuts scenes with some added music cues to smooth out transitions and intensify the alien experience with the engineer and shaw better axe sequence. ahemm...Jerry Goldsmith to be specific!
PM.
Quote from: antovolk on Sep 30, 2012, 10:06:22 PM
Quote from: Snowdog on Sep 30, 2012, 09:48:41 PM
Did you put the "Janek fills vickers in" back in ? i did not like that scene :laugh: Maybe because i want Vickers to be an android :P
Everything is in there.
Quote from: szkoki on Sep 30, 2012, 10:01:33 PM
then maybe i'll render then my version in a bunch of small parts and cut them together and render in a whole movie with the program u used
i just dont want to mess with the sounds, fades again... who long did it take to render the movie for you?
1.5 hours, 720p, bitrate 3.5 Mbps
All of the alternate scenes? Did you use any of the theatrical versions?
And did you color grade the deleted scenes?
Quote from: Alienseseses on Oct 04, 2012, 07:08:49 PM
Quote from: antovolk on Sep 30, 2012, 10:06:22 PM
Quote from: Snowdog on Sep 30, 2012, 09:48:41 PM
Did you put the "Janek fills vickers in" back in ? i did not like that scene :laugh: Maybe because i want Vickers to be an android :P
Everything is in there.
Quote from: szkoki on Sep 30, 2012, 10:01:33 PM
then maybe i'll render then my version in a bunch of small parts and cut them together and render in a whole movie with the program u used
i just dont want to mess with the sounds, fades again... who long did it take to render the movie for you?
1.5 hours, 720p, bitrate 3.5 Mbps
All of the alternate scenes? Did you use any of the theatrical versions?
And did you color grade the deleted scenes?
Alternate scenes replace theatrical versions. Theatrical footage used though where possible to compensate for incomplete VFX etc (some of the shots are identical)
And all the scenes are color graded to fit theatrical as well.
Will u share a link or should we pm u?
Go back to page 2 and you shall find :)
can't wait to see this. i love the theatrical cut but really want to see this extended cut. any chance of getting this cut on dvd? would love to buy it and watch it on my home cinema.
wtf they released a chopped version of fifield attack!!!!!!
why don't they release the original cut with Weyland leaving at that moment and Shaw being the one doing the driving?
Seriously this movie is getting frustrating dicoveries after dicoveries.
When you see the original concept art and what they went for instead or the script that inclueded a giant xeno climax faceoff...
Urgh what a missed opportunity...
Hope the fancut will make it better...
I'm not hoping anymore for a real extended cut now.
The Fanedit is somewhat better...but only for a fan.
What I mean to say is that while some of the added scenes raise the "cool factor" of Prometheus,
there is little (perhaps only the worm discovery scene) to illuminate/elaborate on story/complexity.
Likely, NGRO1, there is more/alternate cutting room floor material their holding onto for the inevitable directors cut.
IMHO they should have skipped the foreplay this time, swallowed their pride, and only released a director's cut.
However, I doubt it would add much depth or make up for all the missed opportunities which were aborted in the conceptual art stages.
Agreed, i dont think a dc or ext cut will "save" the movie but it will feel less rushed and dumb.
BTW did you see the wyland investors fancut? Any link :)
Thanks
whats up with the project?
I've only seen one fanedit so far and it adds all the deleted scenes as well as the Weyland TED.
My quenstions are:
Do we know how many fanedits are out there right now?
Has anyone seen multiple fanedits of Prom?
What are the distinctions between them (i.e., scenes judicially omitted from one fanedit but not by others)?
Any updates on any of these fanedit projects?
Where are those Phantom Menace and Terminator 3 fanedits posted? I've heard of them but never seen them. Do you have to do torrent downloads to get them?
My Weyland Investors Extended Cut has been going round for some time...PM me for details. Make sure you have the BD.
Quote from: orchidal on Oct 17, 2012, 11:22:56 PM
I've only seen one fanedit so far and it adds all the deleted scenes as well as the Weyland TED.
My quenstions are:
Do we know how many fanedits are out there right now?
Has anyone seen multiple fanedits of Prom?
What are the distinctions between them (i.e., scenes judicially omitted from one fanedit but not by others)?
As far as I know there is:
Weyland Investors Extended Cut (mine) - all deleted/alt scenes reinserted/color corrected etc. back into theatrical cut (without any removals apart if to be replaced by alternate scene)
Russian FAN-cut - all deleted scenes + TEDTalk + Quiet Eye roughly thrown in (without color/audio fixes, VERY ROUGH) with VirtualDub.
And several more on PirateBay but don't have all deleted scenes/have bits of theatrical editors didn't like cut out.
Hope this helps.
Would you consider VirtualDub superior tool to for example VideoReDo? I had experience with both (previously bigger with VirtualDub but mostly years ago with one notable exception made this year, and the most recent one was with VideoReDo which I used for the very first time 1.5 weeks ago)...
Quote from: antovolk on Oct 18, 2012, 03:23:46 PMMy Weyland Investors Extended Cut has been going round for some time...PM me for details. Make sure you have the BD.
I have to say that the 'walk of pain' scene and the Fifield attack scene work much better when they are untangled from each other - nice job.
Quote from: ChrisPachi on Oct 19, 2012, 05:35:16 AM
Quote from: antovolk on Oct 18, 2012, 03:23:46 PMMy Weyland Investors Extended Cut has been going round for some time...PM me for details. Make sure you have the BD.
I have to say that the 'walk of pain' scene and the Fifield attack scene work much better when they are untangled from each other - nice job.
What makes them work better do you think? Less back and fourth?
Quote from: Darth Vile on Oct 19, 2012, 11:24:13 AM
Quote from: ChrisPachi on Oct 19, 2012, 05:35:16 AM
Quote from: antovolk on Oct 18, 2012, 03:23:46 PMMy Weyland Investors Extended Cut has been going round for some time...PM me for details. Make sure you have the BD.
I have to say that the 'walk of pain' scene and the Fifield attack scene work much better when they are untangled from each other - nice job.
What makes them work better do you think? Less back and fourth?
Yeah, they are both decent scenes that kind of cancel each other out when they are chopped together. Especially the walk of pain - it bookends what Shaw has just gone through.
I've seen an edit that starts with TED and adds in all deleted scenes; audio is seamless; picture quality is slightly off when fifield attacks.
Is there anyone else out there working on a different edit?
Would be nice to see a fanedit wherein:
-starts with TED
-cuts straight to spaceship/David aboard Prometheus
-excising the sacrifice scene as well as the cave paintings scene
-then adding in all subsequent deleted/alternate scenes
If that edit is out there or being worked on now,
that is a Prometheus film which I'd rather enjoy repeatedly
I have absolutely no interest in any edit that removes the sacrifice scene.
Quote from: orchidal on Oct 20, 2012, 02:04:05 PM
I've seen an edit that starts with TED and adds in all deleted scenes; audio is seamless; picture quality is slightly off when fifield attacks.
Is there anyone else out there working on a different edit?
Would be nice to see a fanedit wherein:
-starts with TED
-cuts straight to spaceship/David aboard Prometheus
-excising the sacrifice scene as well as the cave paintings scene
-then adding in all subsequent deleted/alternate scenes
If that edit is out there or being worked on now,
that is a Prometheus film which I'd rather enjoy repeatedly
Playing this game... The edit I'd like to see is - 1)Ted talk. 2) Opening titles over Iceland but resolving into the cave painting scene and instead of and excising the engineer sacrifice scene... cut to space.