Probably been discussed ages and ages ago but I'm watching Aliens now. Ripley says she doesn't recognise the hive structure. If Ridley's director's cut was canon she would recognise it.
They just haven't gotten around to updating Aliens yet...
Haha, Ovomorphing is canon- the DC isn't.
She also didn't know where eggs came from in Aliens.
Quote from: Jonjamess on Nov 14, 2019, 08:29:23 PM
Probably been discussed ages and ages ago but I'm watching Aliens now. Ripley says she doesn't recognise the hive structure. If Ridley's director's cut was canon she would recognise it.
Just the side effects of such an unusually long hyper sleep.
Quote from: Jonjamess on Nov 14, 2019, 08:29:23 PM
Probably been discussed ages and ages ago but I'm watching Aliens now. Ripley says she doesn't recognise the hive structure. If Ridley's director's cut was canon she would recognise it.
Correct and correct, has been discussed ages and ages ago.
Quote from: FenGiddel on Nov 14, 2019, 11:46:57 PM
They just haven't gotten around to updating Aliens yet...
Also correct. ;D
Of course there's another way to look at it.
When Scott re-introduced the eggmorphing scene, he retconned 'ALIENS'.
BWAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!! Hilarious.
-Windebieste.
Tbh, the hive in Alien DC doesn't looks like the hive in Aliens. Ripley was right — she had never seen such a structure. She's just boring and pedantic. ;)
True, it isn't as consistent.
Quote from: Drukathi on Nov 15, 2019, 04:05:11 PM
Tbh, the hive in Alien DC doesn't looks like the hive in Aliens. Ripley was right — she had never seen such a structure. She's just boring and pedantic. ;)
It looks just like the hive in Aliens.
It really doesn't.
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They're not completely dissimilar, but there's a lot more shape and flow to the Aliens hive than the roiling cancerous mess Ripley saw on the Nostromo.
Wasn't the colony hive supposed be more evocative of the derelict though?
The other consideration is Ripley doesn't know what an Alien egg looks like in ALIEN. She has no correlation between Brett and Dallas fate and what they are becoming. As far as she is concerned, they're trapped and part of the hive mass.
Ripley doesn't actually see an egg until a lot later in 'ALIENS' when she goes searching for Newt. So no, she can't make a connection there.
-Windebieste.
Quote from: SiL on Nov 16, 2019, 05:50:38 AM
It really doesn't.
http://www.jamescamerononline.com/eggmrph.png
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They're not completely dissimilar, but there's a lot more shape and flow to the Aliens hive than the roiling cancerous mess Ripley saw on the Nostromo.
There's no way she would outright say she doesn't know what it is though - the Aliens hive would definitely remind her of what she saw on the Nostromo. It doesn't need to be identical, but she'd be reminded about the weird foreign goop smeared over the walls and put two and two together.
Quote from: PsyKore on Nov 16, 2019, 08:43:54 AM
There's no way she would outright say she doesn't know what it is though - the Aliens hive would definitely remind her of what she saw on the Nostromo. It doesn't need to be identical, but she'd be reminded about the weird foreign goop smeared over the walls and put two and two together.
Quote from: Drukathi on Nov 15, 2019, 04:05:11 PM
She's just boring and pedantic. ;)
Quote from: SiL on Nov 16, 2019, 05:50:38 AM
It really doesn't.
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They're not completely dissimilar, but there's a lot more shape and flow to the Aliens hive than the roiling cancerous mess Ripley saw on the Nostromo.
Depends on which part of the hive. That part not so much. Others seen in the hive ambush and when Ripley goes back in, more so.
Yes, but surely if Ripley saw crew members being turned into something else, it may be worth mentioning.
Quote from: Jonjamess on Nov 14, 2019, 08:29:23 PM
Probably been discussed ages and ages ago but I'm watching Aliens now. Ripley says she doesn't recognise the hive structure. If Ridley's director's cut was canon she would recognise it.
Egg morphing is cool but I can't argue with that.
Quote from: SiL on Nov 16, 2019, 05:50:38 AM
It really doesn't.
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They're not completely dissimilar, but there's a lot more shape and flow to the Aliens hive than the roiling cancerous mess Ripley saw on the Nostromo.
Separating this opinion from us mega fans and our over scruitization... a regular person would definitely look at both as the same. The second scenario would spur recollection of the first, especially to someone who was living it.
Yeah, this.
It also didn't occur to Ripley that the marines were walking into a nest where they'd find the cocooned bodies of the colonists. If the DC of Alien was canon, then she should have known what to expect as soon as she saw the hive.
Indeed, you're correct.
D-did...did we just reach consensus?
I guess so.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Nov 16, 2019, 10:09:10 PM
D-did...did we just reach consensus?
Magic 8 ball says it's questionable.
Quote from: SM on Nov 16, 2019, 08:59:16 AM
Depends on which part of the hive. That part not so much. Others seen in the hive ambush and when Ripley goes back in, more so.
Right, but wasn't her comment about that part of the hive, if we're keeping with the
Quote from: Drukathi on Nov 15, 2019, 04:05:11 PM
boring and pedantic. ;)
bit ;D
Hahaha, just so!
Ripley says in the inquiry in Aliens that Kane "said he saw thousands of eggs there...thousands", implying that the Exec relayed that information (at least to her) in the hours between his re-awakening and his death.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m92yvNscIAo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m92yvNscIAo)
Wouldn't that suggest that Ripley knew about the eggs? Maybe not so much of a leap for her to see Brett's state and connect the dots. After all, she did complete the Company's Horizon Beyond OTP with honors. ;D
QuoteRight, but wasn't her comment about that part of the hive
Fair.
Ish.
QuoteRipley says in the inquiry in Aliens that Kane "said he saw thousands of eggs there...thousands", implying that the Exec relayed that information (at least to her) in the hours between his re-awakening and his death.
Kane didn't remember anything about the planet, and likely didn't live hours after waking. 20 minutes tops. I think Ripley was extrapolating from off screen discussions with Dallas or Lambert about what Kane saw regarding a cave full of eggs.
Well, I'm figuring the time it took to cook that pasta and chop up those squash he's eating, plus plating time. ;).
Maybe I'm giving her "Kane said" too literal a read. In hindsight, I'm sure the writer wasn't thinking so deeply about it to say "Dallas & Lambert" or "my crew" instead.
Kane told Dallas and Lambert that the ship's hold was "full of leathery objects, like eggs or something." If one of them told Ripley off-screen that he said that (assuming it was relayed to her verbatim), she may have just embellished with the numerical estimate based on the size of the derelict.
Or something.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Nov 16, 2019, 06:18:12 PM
It also didn't occur to Ripley that the marines were walking into a nest where they'd find the cocooned bodies of the colonists. If the DC of Alien was canon, then she should have known what to expect as soon as she saw the hive.
I think it's safe to assume that she should have known what to expect (the colonists were f**ked) the moment she saw the hive regardless of whether she'd found Brett and Dallas.
Even to Ridley, the theatrical cut of Alien is thee cut.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Nov 19, 2019, 01:06:31 PM
Even to Ridley, the theatrical cut of Alien is thee cut.
Ridley is entitled to his opinion.
Quote from: Xenomrph on Nov 19, 2019, 09:43:34 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Nov 16, 2019, 06:18:12 PM
It also didn't occur to Ripley that the marines were walking into a nest where they'd find the cocooned bodies of the colonists. If the DC of Alien was canon, then she should have known what to expect as soon as she saw the hive.
I think it's safe to assume that she should have known what to expect (the colonists were f**ked) the moment she saw the hive regardless of whether she'd found Brett and Dallas.
I wonder why Ripley didn't balk at sending the marines into the hive, especially when she pointed out where it was in relation to the AP's cooling system. Her advice at that point should have gone something like this: "Don't send them in there with nothing but flamethrowers! We already know enough about what happened here! They're going to find nothing but corpses down there!"
Or maybe she figured it would have been futile and they had to learn the hard way. Still, at least she could have tried.
lol The DC is so worthless it isn't even properly restored on the 4K version.
And it even cuts out some good scenes.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Nov 19, 2019, 01:06:31 PM
Even to Ridley, the theatrical cut of Alien is thee cut.
Even Ridley Scott gets to be wrong sometimes.
Yeah, everyone does.
TC is the superior cut by far.
Did we just start talking about Alien 3?
He always said that the Director's Cut was just a marketing gimmick and his preferred cut was the TE.
Yeah, and instead making an extended version, created a faster paced version for younger viewers I think he said.
Modern, not younger.
Ah, yes.
Yet modern audiences are younger. ;D
I wish the original, longer edit (with everything back in) that was prepared was released instead of the 2003 DC.
At least the cocoon scene could then play out at its own pace instead of being rushed in editing.