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Dark Passenger
Apr 25, 2010, 10:51:26 AM
Reply #181 on: Apr 25, 2010, 10:51:26 AM
honour is for warriors not hunters,

how is it honourable killling an an unwary, inferior animal just for shits and giggles?


Milan
Apr 25, 2010, 06:40:57 PM
Reply #182 on: Apr 25, 2010, 06:40:57 PM
honour is for warriors not hunters,

how is it honourable killling an an unwary, inferior animal just for shits and giggles?

I haven't seen anything in movies, games or comics that says that they are hunting for just shit and giggles.
And to answer your question...
The Predator hanging up skinned body's for you to find is a way to make sure that you'll know he's there, then he might let his laser sight slowly travel up your chest so that you'll know that you're in his aim, this may be things they do to make sure that you ain't unwary about them being there. If you're unable to read the signs...well it ain't really their fault.

And because you're an inferior animal they'll decide to kill you quickly, like with an ranged attack with the plasma caster...
The result is that you suffer less and that would also make them honorable.

They might use their net gun but it's very painfull and the game has been given a slow death, a honourable predator would end the suffering, like killing the prey before the net does it for him.

A Predator going after prey that are armed and aggressive is also honorable,
Cause they don't want to take the life from someone who ain't capable of defending it.

We can only speculate on their motives, collecting trophies is one, but they commit sueside if they fail to collect the trophy and that tells me that there's more to their hunt than just shit and giggles.
Even if they are sore losers.

I myself hate too lose, I rather win.
I often play UFC 2009 for "shit and giggles", sometimes I lose in what I'm trying to do, like win the fight by submission or reach a decision victory in a 5 round fight, when that happens I'll try again.

Now picture me committing sueside because my CPU opponent on the easy difficult caught me in a submission while I was aiming to do it to him...
Would you really say that I was just a gamer, playing the game for "shit and giggles"?


Sylizar
Apr 26, 2010, 03:03:49 AM
Reply #183 on: Apr 26, 2010, 03:03:49 AM
As much as I'd love to say anything relevant, I can't. I'm having too much fun picturing a Predator giggling.


Dark Passenger
Apr 26, 2010, 05:09:11 AM
Reply #184 on: Apr 26, 2010, 05:09:11 AM
honour is for warriors not hunters,

how is it honourable killling an an unwary, inferior animal just for shits and giggles?

I haven't seen anything in movies, games or comics that says that they are hunting for just shit and giggles.
And to answer your question...
The Predator hanging up skinned body's for you to find is a way to make sure that you'll know he's there, then he might let his laser sight slowly travel up your chest so that you'll know that you're in his aim, this may be things they do to make sure that you ain't unwary about them being there. If you're unable to read the signs...well it ain't really their fault.

And because you're an inferior animal they'll decide to kill you quickly, like with an ranged attack with the plasma caster...
The result is that you suffer less and that would also make them honorable.

They might use their net gun but it's very painfull and the game has been given a slow death, a honourable predator would end the suffering, like killing the prey before the net does it for him.

A Predator going after prey that are armed and aggressive is also honorable,
Cause they don't want to take the life from someone who ain't capable of defending it.

We can only speculate on their motives, collecting trophies is one, but they commit sueside if they fail to collect the trophy and that tells me that there's more to their hunt than just shit and giggles.
Even if they are sore losers.

I myself hate too lose, I rather win.
I often play UFC 2009 for "shit and giggles", sometimes I lose in what I'm trying to do, like win the fight by submission or reach a decision victory in a 5 round fight, when that happens I'll try again.

Now picture me committing sueside because my CPU opponent on the easy difficult caught me in a submission while I was aiming to do it to him...
Would you really say that I was just a gamer, playing the game for "shit and giggles"?

you obviously dont understand what i am saying, there is a difference between a straight up 1 on 1 fight and being basicaly invisible and snipering people off.

how is it honourable being close to invisible and basically killing them off when they are unaware.

if a predator were to fight for honour they would straight up uncloak infront off their enemy and fight them on even terms, not shoot or stab them with their backs turned.

oh and last time i checked in UFC you dont kill your enemies so i dont see how that relates to anything being said. UFC is 1 on 1 fights not stealth killing people


arabianhunter
Apr 26, 2010, 08:08:23 AM
Reply #185 on: Apr 26, 2010, 08:08:23 AM
honour is for warriors not hunters,

how is it honourable killling an an unwary, inferior animal just for shits and giggles?

I haven't seen anything in movies, games or comics that says that they are hunting for just shit and giggles.
And to answer your question...
The Predator hanging up skinned body's for you to find is a way to make sure that you'll know he's there, then he might let his laser sight slowly travel up your chest so that you'll know that you're in his aim, this may be things they do to make sure that you ain't unwary about them being there. If you're unable to read the signs...well it ain't really their fault.

And because you're an inferior animal they'll decide to kill you quickly, like with an ranged attack with the plasma caster...
The result is that you suffer less and that would also make them honorable.

They might use their net gun but it's very painfull and the game has been given a slow death, a honourable predator would end the suffering, like killing the prey before the net does it for him.

A Predator going after prey that are armed and aggressive is also honorable,
Cause they don't want to take the life from someone who ain't capable of defending it.

We can only speculate on their motives, collecting trophies is one, but they commit sueside if they fail to collect the trophy and that tells me that there's more to their hunt than just shit and giggles.
Even if they are sore losers.

I myself hate too lose, I rather win.
I often play UFC 2009 for "shit and giggles", sometimes I lose in what I'm trying to do, like win the fight by submission or reach a decision victory in a 5 round fight, when that happens I'll try again.

Now picture me committing sueside because my CPU opponent on the easy difficult caught me in a submission while I was aiming to do it to him...
Would you really say that I was just a gamer, playing the game for "shit and giggles"?

you obviously dont understand what i am saying, there is a difference between a straight up 1 on 1 fight and being basicaly invisible and snipering people off.

how is it honourable being close to invisible and basically killing them off when they are unaware.

if a predator were to fight for honour they would straight up uncloak infront off their enemy and fight them on even terms, not shoot or stab them with their backs turned.

oh and last time i checked in UFC you dont kill your enemies so i dont see how that relates to anything being said. UFC is 1 on 1 fights not stealth killing people

i would say predators have a different sense of honor its more like a guideline than honor a rule which must be followed the only reason why i think they give themselves such an advantage over their prey is because they think every species they hunt is inferior to them and the guidlines that are meant to be followed are already  a burden on them. Predators think that they are the perfect living organism due to their technological advancment the only prey which truly rivals them is the xenomorph which is also classified as the perfect organism in the alien franchise. Back to what i was saying if we look at the subway seen in predator 2 were he kill i believe 2 elderly woman who are armed now to any predator he doesn't care if its an elderly human that fact that its armed is ok to kill and must be killed and the grave yard seen were the boy is playing with his toy gun if the predator didnt scan the gun he would have probably killed him and im sure the predator knew it was an infant. At the end of the movie when harrigan kills the pred it was more like an initiation/burial ceremony lol harrigan proved him self to be a challenge for the predator species when he is given the weapon by the elder predator it was more of a guildline than honor, like a trophy for harrigan to put on his wall to remember the predator clan


Dark Passenger
Apr 26, 2010, 08:31:16 AM
Reply #186 on: Apr 26, 2010, 08:31:16 AM
^ just sounds like you are just making assumptions and filling in what you want.

no-where in the first 2 films, especially the first does it blatantly say or reference that the predators are killing with honour in mind.


dallevalle
Apr 26, 2010, 12:02:47 PM
Reply #187 on: Apr 26, 2010, 12:02:47 PM
This is what anytime got to say about the whole honor thing



arabianhunter
Apr 26, 2010, 01:49:14 PM
Reply #188 on: Apr 26, 2010, 01:49:14 PM
^ just sounds like you are just making assumptions and filling in what you want.

no-where in the first 2 films, especially the first does it blatantly say or reference that the predators are killing with honour in mind.

i didn't mean that i meant they do it mainly as a guidline or ritual, a right, the more trophies the higher status you get all i was saying is that honor rules status rank whatever u wanna call it is what matters to them but they also wanna do things properly by the rules

u mistook me by claiming its honor


Milan
Apr 27, 2010, 02:14:00 AM
Reply #189 on: Apr 27, 2010, 02:14:00 AM
honour is for warriors not hunters,

how is it honourable killling an an unwary, inferior animal just for shits and giggles?

I haven't seen anything in movies, games or comics that says that they are hunting for just shit and giggles.
And to answer your question...
The Predator hanging up skinned body's for you to find is a way to make sure that you'll know he's there, then he might let his laser sight slowly travel up your chest so that you'll know that you're in his aim, this may be things they do to make sure that you ain't unwary about them being there. If you're unable to read the signs...well it ain't really their fault.

And because you're an inferior animal they'll decide to kill you quickly, like with an ranged attack with the plasma caster...
The result is that you suffer less and that would also make them honorable.

They might use their net gun but it's very painfull and the game has been given a slow death, a honourable predator would end the suffering, like killing the prey before the net does it for him.

A Predator going after prey that are armed and aggressive is also honorable,
Cause they don't want to take the life from someone who ain't capable of defending it.

We can only speculate on their motives, collecting trophies is one, but they commit sueside if they fail to collect the trophy and that tells me that there's more to their hunt than just shit and giggles.
Even if they are sore losers.

I myself hate too lose, I rather win.
I often play UFC 2009 for "shit and giggles", sometimes I lose in what I'm trying to do, like win the fight by submission or reach a decision victory in a 5 round fight, when that happens I'll try again.

Now picture me committing sueside because my CPU opponent on the easy difficult caught me in a submission while I was aiming to do it to him...
Would you really say that I was just a gamer, playing the game for "shit and giggles"?

you obviously dont understand what i am saying, there is a difference between a straight up 1 on 1 fight and being basicaly invisible and snipering people off.

how is it honourable being close to invisible and basically killing them off when they are unaware.

if a predator were to fight for honour they would straight up uncloak infront off their enemy and fight them on even terms, not shoot or stab them with their backs turned.

Well, I picture Dutch as being a honorable dude, by his actions and by his values.
Still he made himself invisible when calling out the Predator, the mud made him invisible but when he applied it to his body it wasn't a choice made because of honor, it was strategy, it was camouflage.
And it didn't make him dishonorable.

The Predator uses his cloak for the same reason the hunter is using camouflage or why the lioness is hiding in the grass while hunting, it's to get close enough to the prey without them noticing it.
Being honorable and being fair is far from the same thing.

And hunting have never been about a "straight up 1 on 1 fight", the hunter have always used methods to trick his prey, everything from using camouflage to smearing himself in shit so that he may get close enough  or the kill without being detected. The honor part in hunting can be found in the ammo the hunter uses or if he would spare the animal he's about to kill cause it had babies who wouldn't survive without it's help...

I think that many people missunderstand the whole honor thing with the predator,
They are hunters using stealth as a way to get close to their prey, to avoid detection.
Both Pussyface and Anytime used their cloak for that reason.
It really doesn't have anything to do with honor but if they choose to "honor" their prey by eating their still beating heart then some would say that they are honorable, others would call them f**king mental.



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oh and last time i checked in UFC you dont kill your enemies so i dont see how that relates to anything being said. UFC is 1 on 1 fights not stealth killing people

You need to read what I wrote again and you'll see my point.


Dark Passenger
Apr 27, 2010, 06:12:38 AM
Reply #190 on: Apr 27, 2010, 06:12:38 AM
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It really doesn't have anything to do with honor but if they choose to "honor" their prey by eating their still beating heart then some would say that they are honorable, others would call them f**king mental.

hmm. where in the films does it show the predators doing this? you have no proof of what you are saying!

you are making assumptions, filling in the gaps. thats all, maybe if the predators actually could talk and say that he is hunting for honour than you'd have a point but its shown in the films that they just seem to hunt, stalk and slaughter people with no real motive, youre just speculating so please stop talking likes its hard fact.



Milan
Apr 29, 2010, 12:25:13 AM
Reply #191 on: Apr 29, 2010, 12:25:13 AM
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It really doesn't have anything to do with honor but if they choose to "honor" their prey by eating their still beating heart then some would say that they are honorable, others would call them f**king mental.

hmm. where in the films does it show the predators doing this? you have no proof of what you are saying!

you are making assumptions, filling in the gaps. thats all, maybe if the predators actually could talk and say that he is hunting for honour than you'd have a point but its shown in the films that they just seem to hunt, stalk and slaughter people with no real motive, youre just speculating so please stop talking likes its hard fact.

I was trying to explain this in a way that would make it easy for you to understand.

You want hard proof of honor, okay.

They don't slaughter people, they hunt big game.
They arrive when it's season, season being when it's hot and during an armed conflict,
Among the combatants  is were they find their prey, the prey needs not only to be armed but it also needs to be willing to use it's weapon with deadly force. The prey is never a single individual, they go after a group of people, may it be green berets, rebels, a hostage rescue team, Jamaican or Colombian gangsters or a police team.
Their motive for hunting is the trophies, they collect trophies from the individuals who stand out within the group they are hunting, not every game taken down ends up as a trophy, just the special ones.
They are not only hunters, they are big game hunters, who follow a pattern,
that pattern can be referred as them following a code, guideline or values.
The pattern:

* The Hunter arrive at location when the temperature meets their standard and when it's a armed conflict going on in the region.

* The hunter then examens the combatans within the region to find worthy game.

* Once the big game have been found the hunter goes in for the kill,
The first kill have always been a stealth kill and the prey would be skinned and left hanging for others to find. If the body is removed from the scene then the hunter will claim it back.
After that the hunter picks the team apart in whatever way that suits him best, the special ones within the team become trophies. Most victims are found hung up, skinned.

* If the hunter is challenged and faces defeat in combat or admitting being hunted as prey then he'll commit suicide.

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About HONOR:

In contemporary international relations, the concept of "credibility" resembles that of honour, as when the credibility of a state or of an alliance appears to be at stake, and honour-bound politicians call for drastic measures.

In ancient China during the Warring States period, honor in battle was one of the many forms of virtue practiced by the nobility. In a battle, Duke Xiang of the Song state, instead of of giving the enemy a surprise attack, he waited for the enemy to go across the river in order to be a real Ren (仁) gentleman. Mao Zedong once said about Duke Xiang's humanity in war: "We are not Duke Xiang of Song and have no use for his idiotic virtue and morality"

In ancient Japan, honour was always seen as almost a duty by Samurai. When one lost their honour or the situation made them lose it, the only way to save their dignity was by death. Seppuku (vulgarly called "harakiri," or "belly-cutting") was the most honourable death in that situation. The only way for a Samurai to die more honourably was to be killed in a battle by a sword.

Traditionally, in Western society, honour figured largely as a guiding principle. A man's honour, that of his wife, his family or his beloved, formed an all-important issue: the archetypal "man of honour" remained ever alert for any insult, actual or suspected: for either would impugn his honour.

An honor code or honor system is a set of rules or principles governing a community based on a set of rules or ideals that define what constitutes honorable behavior within that community. The use of an honor code depends on the idea that people (at least within the community) can be trusted to act honorably. Those who are in violation of the honor code can be subject to various sanctions, including expulsion from the institution.

A similar concept with many connotations opposite to honour is shame.

HONOR, HUNTING and GAME:
As hunting moved from a subsistence activity to a social one, two trends emerged. One was that of the specialist hunter with special training and equipment. The other was the emergence of hunting as a sport for those of an upper social class. The meaning of the word "game" in middle English evolved to include an animal which is hunted.

As game became more of a luxury than a necessity, the stylized pursuit of it also became a luxury. Dangerous hunting, as for lions or wild boars was considered to be an honourable, somewhat competitive pastime to help the aristocracy practice skills of war in times of peace.
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I can't understand how any person can't see honor in the Predators actions.
I'm not saying that you should look at it from the Preys perspective but from the hunters.
And you have to remember that WHEN they go to earth they do it as BIG GAME HUNTERS during HUNTING SEASON.












Dark Passenger
Apr 29, 2010, 02:18:56 AM
Reply #192 on: Apr 29, 2010, 02:18:56 AM
^ how does patterns and common sense contribute to honour?

we can do the same, we hunt during certain seasons and in certain climate to kill the 'big one' but the bottom line is that we dont it for no real purpose other than our own entertainment and gain.

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You want hard proof of honor, okay.

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They don't slaughter people, they hunt big game.
They arrive when it's season, season being when it's hot and during an armed conflict,
Among the combatants  is were they find their prey, the prey needs not only to be armed but it also needs to be willing to use it's weapon with deadly force. The prey is never a single individual, they go after a group of people, may it be green berets, rebels, a hostage rescue team, Jamaican or Colombian gangsters or a police team.
Their motive for hunting is the trophies, they collect trophies from the individuals who stand out within the group they are hunting, not every game taken down ends up as a trophy, just the special ones.
They are not only hunters, they are big game hunters, who follow a pattern,
that pattern can be referred as them following a code, guideline or values.

still dont undertand what you are trying to say, a goddamn serial killer could stalk and slaughter a dozen people but does that mean he has honour in mind? no cause he just enjoys the hell out of killing and taking trophies.

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If the hunter is challenged and faces defeat in combat or admitting being hunted as prey then he'll commit suicide.

this can be debated, if he just wanted to simply commit suicide they could just stab themselves with their wristblades but since they seem to activate there wrist bomb when they're enemy is very close to them this can be see as a sinister act or a last ditch effort to kill them, note anytimes laughter when he activates it right near Dutch


Milan
Apr 29, 2010, 04:23:32 PM
Reply #193 on: Apr 29, 2010, 04:23:32 PM
^ how does patterns and common sense contribute to honour?

They just do, people think that honor is something big and complicated but it's not.
Like when the Predator doesn't kill the woman because she is pregnant or the boy cause his gun was fake.

You can come up with 1000 reasons why we shouldn't hunt an animal who is carrying a baby inside,
why WE have hunting seasons is just one of those reasons.
If one has values, like a view on what's right and wrong and goes for what one think it's right, then you have proof of honor.

The Predator didn't find the boy a threat, nor did he find the baby inside of that woman a threat,
They didn't qualify as worthy game, they need to be able to hurt the Predator, to put his life in danger to be considered worthy game, big game.
There you have the view on right and wrong, the Predator is a big game hunter, hunting prey not qualifying as big game, is wrong, it's against their character.
Having views on what's right or wrong and going for what's right is honorable, for the one who has the view.

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They don't slaughter people, they hunt big game.
They arrive when it's season, season being when it's hot and during an armed conflict,
Among the combatants  is were they find their prey, the prey needs not only to be armed but it also needs to be willing to use it's weapon with deadly force. The prey is never a single individual, they go after a group of people, may it be green berets, rebels, a hostage rescue team, Jamaican or Colombian gangsters or a police team.
Their motive for hunting is the trophies, they collect trophies from the individuals who stand out within the group they are hunting, not every game taken down ends up as a trophy, just the special ones.
They are not only hunters, they are big game hunters, who follow a pattern,
that pattern can be referred as them following a code, guideline or values.

still dont undertand what you are trying to say, a goddamn serial killer could stalk and slaughter a dozen people but does that mean he has honour in mind? no cause he just enjoys the hell out of killing and taking trophies.

The Predator is just as much of a serial killer as a 40 year old postman going out in the woods to shoot bear when it's hunting season. If he finds a bear who has two baby bears with her and decides not to kill them all, then that hunter has honor.

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If the hunter is challenged and faces defeat in combat or admitting being hunted as prey then he'll commit suicide.

this can be debated, if he just wanted to simply commit suicide they could just stab themselves with their wristblades but since they seem to activate there wrist bomb when they're enemy is very close to them this can be see as a sinister act or a last ditch effort to kill them, note anytimes laughter when he activates it right near Dutch

The Predators are here to win, their honor demands it, he'll die trying but it doesn't mean that he'll spare his chosen prey, why? cause it would be shamefull. If possible he'll take his prey with him in life or in death, that kill will be his to claim, why cause his honor demands it. It ain't like he got a choice...
This is something that Pussyface proved, when he was hanging by the ledge with one arm on Harrigan and the other on the disc, he released his grip on the disc and activated his wrist bomb, he could have grabbed the ledge and pull himself up, but he felt like he already lost, he have been followed, hunted, if you are being hunted then you are the prey, not the hunter.
Honor is what made both Pussyface and Anytime activate their wristbombs, but only one of them was dying.

I feel that you might feel that if a Predator had a sense of honor...it would dishonor them.
And that's where the conflict is hidden.
Honor is something good but the Predator ain't a hero, he isn't good, he doesn't have good values cause he's slaughtering people like we are animals...

...But that's what we are to them, we are only animals just like the bear, the lion, the wild boar, we are nothing more than big game. Animals who are going to be hunted and end up in their head on their trophy wall.


chazo136
Aug 01, 2010, 04:00:14 AM
Reply #194 on: Aug 01, 2010, 04:00:14 AM
u realise that the predators in the first 2 movies are honourable hunters right? they kill one at a time and not unarmed threats


 

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