Poll
Question:
The Alien Covenant Footage what did you think??
Option 1: Awesome!!!
votes: 143
Option 2: Meh!!
votes: 9
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XeMVrnYNwus (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XeMVrnYNwus)
Really liked that bit, hope it's in the movie!
Quote from: acidreign on Apr 26, 2017, 06:10:45 PM
Really liked that bit, hope it's in the movie!
It'll be in the movie
Awesome, then!
"I learned their ways" is an extremely suggestive and enticingly vague line. Love it.
I really wonder now when (or if; i mean the bombing sure but the David/Shaw stuff?) this all going to take place in the final film?
Spoiler
Probably when the Covenant crew asks about what happened to Shaw.
At the very end after the footage, the announcer said Covenant will be released globally starting on May 12th. Did I mishear that or did they just bump the US release up a week? Time stamp on youtube is 1:49:18
Quote from: Anthony on Apr 26, 2017, 06:20:00 PM
Spoiler
Probably when the Covenant crew asks about what happened to Shaw.
Probably, but feels kinda anticlimatic (especially now weve seen lots of it prefilm).
Quote from: oberonqa on Apr 26, 2017, 06:24:47 PM
At the very end after the footage, the announcer said Covenant will be released globally on May 12th. Did I mishear that or did they just bump the US release up a week?
She definitely said that
It seems it will be in cinemas a bit earlier!
P.S. Only the scene at the very end is in the movie. Everything else
is just filmed and edited for promotional uses.
Crossposting from the other thread:
QuoteNice footage. It's lovely to see Shaw and David together again, as them tripping through the galaxy in their spaceship on a cosmic odyssey is the movie I wanted next.
My suspicion is the same as others: That this is David's version of the story, and that he'll claim she 'died' but in fact he turned on her when she opposed his plans. I also thought their relationship was pitched right here - she was almost maternal with him in the final version of the last sequence of Prometheus, firm and tough but not cold. The idea of it changing to him turning on full-on evil and offing her reduces them both IMO, but especially David, whose grayer shadings in the last film were great for me.
David is channeling his inner Heisenberg with that epic quote
Quote from: oberonqa on Apr 26, 2017, 06:24:47 PM
At the very end after the footage, the announcer said Covenant will be released globally starting on May 12th. Did I mishear that or did they just bump the US release up a week? Time stamp on youtube is 1:49:18
She most likely misspoke. It opens in the UK on 5/12 but 5/19 here in the US.
Quote from: Robopadna on Apr 26, 2017, 06:31:49 PM
Quote from: oberonqa on Apr 26, 2017, 06:24:47 PM
At the very end after the footage, the announcer said Covenant will be released globally starting on May 12th. Did I mishear that or did they just bump the US release up a week? Time stamp on youtube is 1:49:18
She most likely misspoke. It opens in the UK on 5/12 but 5/19 here in the US.
Thats kinda a big error to be messing up on her part. Only time will tell, I suppose. May 12th is exactly one week before the 19th...
Gosh, again so many questions pop up.
But damn it looks good and damn it feels good to see them again and knowing the story moves on!!
Quote from: Infected on Apr 26, 2017, 06:35:19 PM
Gosh, again so many questions pop up.
But damn it looks good and damn it feels good to see them again and knowing the story moves on!!
Agreed. :)
Quote from: salomonj on Apr 26, 2017, 06:11:21 PMit will be in the movie
how do you know that?. This looks like a prologue to me that won't make it to the final cut
You can tell Luke Scott directed this. His handling of the camera is nowhere near as good as Daddy Scott's.
Don't know about that. I mean from 4-5 camera settings? David starting the bombardment is 100% Ridley directing.
One thing to point again. Look how all those pseudo Engineers gather to welcome the Juggernaut... If it is just another of their own, why the great fuss? I think the hall of heads which is straight below the docking Juggernaut (Main platform) is the place of entrance, there this humanoids welcome their gods.
Quote from: oberonqa on Apr 26, 2017, 06:34:25 PM
Quote from: Robopadna on Apr 26, 2017, 06:31:49 PM
Quote from: oberonqa on Apr 26, 2017, 06:24:47 PM
At the very end after the footage, the announcer said Covenant will be released globally starting on May 12th. Did I mishear that or did they just bump the US release up a week? Time stamp on youtube is 1:49:18
She most likely misspoke. It opens in the UK on 5/12 but 5/19 here in the US.
Thats kinda a big error to be messing up on her part. Only time will tell, I suppose. May 12th is exactly one week before the 19th...
Well, it would always be one week before because they typically always release movies on Fridays (although now they tend to release them on late Thursday showings).
I don't honestly know if the terms globally vs world wide mean two different things when discussing movie releases. Overall it would be too late to move the release date in the US up. For months trailers have been displaying 5/19... it won't move from that date.
Anyone notice
Spoiler
the arms on the Engineer suits were really elongated. Like the Space Jockey arms in Alien.
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This looks awesome IMO. David "learning their ways" must give him the justification to nuke them. Also, the scorpionaut does appear to be a docking station of sorts.
The final few seconds were really unnerving with David arriving and opening the ship.
But yeah, I suspect this will not be in the film at all and we'll get very little of Shaw.
Quote from: kwisatz on Apr 26, 2017, 06:39:32 PM
Don't know about that. I mean from 4-5 camera settings? David starting the bombardment is 100% Ridley directing.
Yes. The other shots, like the one where David is revealed to be alone doesn't strike me as Ridley-esque.
Enjoyed it.
I think the urns fall in that container with the hole underneath where the juggernaut is docking and from there they get sprayed all over the placa. The Scorpionaut is what it looks like: a weapon for mass destruction.
The urns are just like cartridges, that scorpion ship is the:
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Quote from: shawsbaby on Apr 26, 2017, 06:46:32 PM
The final few seconds were really unnerving with David arriving and opening the ship.
But yeah, I suspect this will not be in the film at all and we'll get very little of Shaw.
I'd say without a doubt that every single thing from the ship coming out of space to the end are in the movie. We have seen the shots before and the effects are far too finished and demanding to not be in the release.
QuoteI think the urns fall in that container with the hole underneath where the juggernaut is docking and from there they get sprayed all over the placa. The Scorpionaut is what it looks like: a weapon for mass destruction.
The urns are coming from the docked juggernaut that david is in. The scorpion is the docking station. It doesn't have any urns in it and it doesn't 'shoot' them either. It's just a docking station.
Quote from: Robopadna on Apr 26, 2017, 06:51:05 PM
Quote from: shawsbaby on Apr 26, 2017, 06:46:32 PM
The final few seconds were really unnerving with David arriving and opening the ship.
But yeah, I suspect this will not be in the film at all and we'll get very little of Shaw.
I'd say without a doubt that every single thing from the ship coming out of space to the end are in the movie. We have seen the shots before and the effects are far too finished and demanding to not be in the release.
Agreed.
Also: "Look on my works, ye Mighty and despair!" is pretty chilling.
The docking sequence will definitely be in the movie.You dont pay that level of attention and time on something that'll only be used in a 2minute short.
Uh-huh, told ya'll the engineer pods worked for humans, and that she'd be in there. 8) . And that video was awesome!
Quote from: Robopadna on Apr 26, 2017, 06:51:05 PM
Quote from: shawsbaby on Apr 26, 2017, 06:46:32 PM
The final few seconds were really unnerving with David arriving and opening the ship.
But yeah, I suspect this will not be in the film at all and we'll get very little of Shaw.
I'd say without a doubt that every single thing from the ship coming out of space to the end are in the movie. We have seen the shots before and the effects are far too finished and demanding to not be in the release.
QuoteI think the urns fall in that container with the hole underneath where the juggernaut is docking and from there they get sprayed all over the placa. The Scorpionaut is what it looks like: a weapon for mass destruction.
The urns are coming from the docked juggernaut that david is in. The scorpion is the docking station. It doesn't have any urns in it.
I suppose the urns fall from the docked Juggernaut into the Scorpionaut. Check the footage. Or maybe some are loaded into the Scorpionaut and some are dropped directly. Maybe the ones that get load into the Scorpionaut get cracked open and then rain down on the masses.
Quote from: kwisatz on Apr 26, 2017, 06:55:39 PM
Quote from: Robopadna on Apr 26, 2017, 06:51:05 PM
Quote from: shawsbaby on Apr 26, 2017, 06:46:32 PM
The final few seconds were really unnerving with David arriving and opening the ship.
But yeah, I suspect this will not be in the film at all and we'll get very little of Shaw.
I'd say without a doubt that every single thing from the ship coming out of space to the end are in the movie. We have seen the shots before and the effects are far too finished and demanding to not be in the release.
QuoteI think the urns fall in that container with the hole underneath where the juggernaut is docking and from there they get sprayed all over the placa. The Scorpionaut is what it looks like: a weapon for mass destruction.
The urns are coming from the docked juggernaut that david is in. The scorpion is the docking station. It doesn't have any urns in it.
I suppose the urns fall from the docked Juggernaut into the Scorpionaut. Check the footage.
They fall from the juggernaut. At 2:16 you can even see the port on the bottom of the juggernaut start to open which has a clear drop to the crowd below. It then cuts to David's POV looking down directly on to the crowd. The scorpion isn't any part of it.
We have also seen stills (and a small amount of footage) from david's POV of them simply dropping from the juggernaut.
Just realized the Ozymandius reference. Was that cheering I heard from the engineers? Perhaps they have been waiting for the return of their god, or the engineers on lv-223 were trying to recreate or resurrect what they thought was a/their god and bring it back.
I found some new scenes of Spores ::)
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Quote from: kwisatz on Apr 26, 2017, 06:27:28 PM
Quote from: Anthony on Apr 26, 2017, 06:20:00 PM
Spoiler
Probably when the Covenant crew asks about what happened to Shaw.
Probably, but feels kinda anticlimatic (especially now weve seen lots of it prefilm).
The rest of the docking scene will probably be in the film.
That was incredible. I hope the rest of Covenant is just as good, if not better!
Quote from: Enoch on Apr 26, 2017, 06:39:52 PM
One thing to point again. Look how all those pseudo Engineers gather to welcome the Juggernaut... If it is just another of their own, why the great fuss? I think the hall of heads which is straight below the docking Juggernaut (Main platform) is the place of entrance, there this humanoids welcome their gods.
Maybe because they weren't expecting them to show up? The incident on LV-223 happened like 2,000 years ago and now one of their ships has returned after that long.
Also we just heard David say, "We were able to activate their ship, and set course for their homeworld."
These are engineers on their homeworld.
Quote from: Robopadna on Apr 26, 2017, 06:58:04 PM
Quote from: kwisatz on Apr 26, 2017, 06:55:39 PM
Quote from: Robopadna on Apr 26, 2017, 06:51:05 PM
Quote from: shawsbaby on Apr 26, 2017, 06:46:32 PM
The final few seconds were really unnerving with David arriving and opening the ship.
But yeah, I suspect this will not be in the film at all and we'll get very little of Shaw.
I'd say without a doubt that every single thing from the ship coming out of space to the end are in the movie. We have seen the shots before and the effects are far too finished and demanding to not be in the release.
QuoteI think the urns fall in that container with the hole underneath where the juggernaut is docking and from there they get sprayed all over the placa. The Scorpionaut is what it looks like: a weapon for mass destruction.
The urns are coming from the docked juggernaut that david is in. The scorpion is the docking station. It doesn't have any urns in it.
I suppose the urns fall from the docked Juggernaut into the Scorpionaut. Check the footage.
They fall from the juggernaut. At 2:16 you can even see the port on the bottom of the juggernaut start to open which has a clear drop to the crowd below. It then cuts to David's POV looking down directly on to the crowd. The scorpion isn't any part of it.
We have also seen stills (and a small amount of footage) from david's POV of them simply dropping from the juggernaut.
The Juggernaut only has a tiny hole compared to the size of the plaza. But we know the whole plaza gets bombed. How do you think thats possible?
I think thats where the Scorpionaut enters the game.
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The Juggernaut only has a tiny hole compared to the size of the placa. But we know the whole placa gets bombed. How do you think thats possible?
Cleaning this up a bit in terms of quotes.
We don't actually know that.... plus, from the previous trailer we have seen a weird spreading effect of the urns contents that make it almost seem a little airborne. It also may very well not cover all of the area... infected people may spread it, etc. That was the idea behind Prometheus. One juggernaut is not enough to wipe out earth (which is much larger than the tiny arena seen here) but that was the leap that the movie simply asked you to accept.
From the angles you can see the portal open on the juggernaut, it cuts to davids point of view looking down and we have seen the next footage of the urns falling around david on to the crowd below.
Also, at some point you just have to accept that stuff happens.
Wild theory, what if during the crash, Shaw's cryo-tube was compromised and she was exposed to black goo?
I wonder if david will blame himself for her death; his selfish and violent act led to the destruction of his only friend. He has then become imperfect, like the humans and engineers, and seeks to create the perfect organism.
After watching that clip I have strange feeling, Dr. Shaw will be that Space Jockey from first Alien. :-\
Yay, Shaw! Even if she doesn't have a proper appearance in the actual film at least we got this. Love the design of the Scorpionaut. It has that same great 'totally alien and asymmetrical' look to it as the Derelict/Juggernaut while still clearly being something new. Very nice.
And yes, David's "I learned their ways" was very ambiguous, in a good way. As has already been speculated here, maybe whatever he learns about them in that time is what ultimately makes him decide to wipe the Engineers out? Or maybe he still just holding a grudge about one of them decapitating him. ;) Either way, it was a cool switch from "compassionate David" to "about to coldly commit mass murder" at the end there.
Oh David, we just never can tell with you, can we? ;D
Quote from: Robopadna on Apr 26, 2017, 07:08:13 PM
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The Juggernaut only has a tiny hole compared to the size of the placa. But we know the whole placa gets bombed. How do you think thats possible?
Cleaning this up a bit in terms of quotes.
We don't actually know that.... plus, from the previous trailer we have seen a weird spreading effect of the urns contents that make it almost seem a little airborne. It also may very well not cover all of the area... infected people may spread it, etc. That was the idea behind Prometheus. One juggernaut is not enough to wipe out earth (which is much larger than the tiny arena seen here) but that was the leap that the movie simply asked you to accept.
From the angles you can see the portal open on the juggernaut, it cuts to davids point of view looking down and we have seen the next footage of the urns falling around david on to the crowd below.
Also, at some point you just have to accept that stuff happens.
Then what is the point of the Scorpionaut in your scenario? A mere docking station? I pretty much doubt that. It doesnt look like a scorpion tail for no reasons.
Quote from: kwisatz on Apr 26, 2017, 07:13:06 PM
Quote from: Robopadna on Apr 26, 2017, 07:08:13 PM
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The Juggernaut only has a tiny hole compared to the size of the placa. But we know the whole placa gets bombed. How do you think thats possible?
Cleaning this up a bit in terms of quotes.
We don't actually know that.... plus, from the previous trailer we have seen a weird spreading effect of the urns contents that make it almost seem a little airborne. It also may very well not cover all of the area... infected people may spread it, etc. That was the idea behind Prometheus. One juggernaut is not enough to wipe out earth (which is much larger than the tiny arena seen here) but that was the leap that the movie simply asked you to accept.
From the angles you can see the portal open on the juggernaut, it cuts to davids point of view looking down and we have seen the next footage of the urns falling around david on to the crowd below.
Also, at some point you just have to accept that stuff happens.
Then what is the point of the Scorpionaut in your scenario? A mere docking station? I pretty much doubt that. It doesnt look like a scorpion tail for no reasons.
It is absolutely a mere docking station. I don't think you can attribute anything to its shape, just like you can't attribute any real functionality to the shape of the juggernaut.
We have essentially seen from the doors opening and onward to the bombing in this and other trailers/stills. The scorpion plays no role other than to lock in the juggernaut. There isn't any real reason to assume it does anything else.
Also, this matches up with the spoiler descriptions perfectly and none have mentioned any role for the scorpion outside of a docking station.
In the Vietnamese trailer you literally see them dropping right in front of David straight down on the crowd below.
Look where the Juggernaut docks theres a platform withstanding a the end of the Scorpionaut. There might not even be a free field of fire straight from the Juggernaut to the plaza. Maybe thats where the Scorpionaut "sucks" the urns in or weaponises them in another way.
Maybe David's arrival isn't coincidental? By learning their ways could there be some kind of significance to the gathering of Engineers? Aztecs waiting for the conquistadors type of thing?
Why does David go mad? A human just saved his life. He says because he was alone again. So loneliness drive him mad?
Noticed this: David's sketch of Shaw and a sketch of Ron Shusett on the set of ALIEN by Dan O'Bannon. Similarity?
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Quote from: kwisatz on Apr 26, 2017, 07:24:33 PM
Look where the Juggernaut docks theres a platform withstanding a the end of the Scorpionaut. There might not even be a free field of fire straight from the Juggernaut to the plaza. Maybe thats where the Scorpionaut "sucks" the urns in or weaponises them in another way.
All I can say is we have literally seen this scene. The scorpion plays no role but to dock the ship (and why wouldn't they have a way of docking a ship? They need to make sure it's clear of pathogens, especially because it's coming from a 2000 year old bio weapons planet). The urns drop straight out of the juggernaut and down. Anything you think is in the way is just a matter of viewing perspective. They simply fall right out.
They damn well better not have!!! I have a show that night!!!
But then again, Im going to the first showing at either 7pm or 12:01am... soooo yeah hahah
Love the dark foreboding atmosphere in this clip.
I also love davids voice during the head refitting, it is eerily similar to the effect used for that of Ash when he meets his end in Alien.
I also loved the inclusion of the original Alien soundtrack during that scene.
Impressed!
Quote from: DorkiDori on Apr 26, 2017, 07:30:56 PM
They damn well better not have!!! I have a show that night!!!
But then again, Im going to the first showing at either 7pm or 12:01am... soooo yeah hahah
Not have what?
For the record I also suspect this was filmed by Luke Scott, and may not be in the final film. Which I think is a mistake (though I am also not a fan of the Alien franchise suddenly instituting flashback sequences). It wouldn't surprise me if David's voice-over is from the film though.
Looks magnificent !
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Apr 26, 2017, 07:36:31 PM
For the record I also suspect this was filmed by Luke Scott, and may not be in the final film. Which I think is a mistake (though I am also not a fan of the Alien franchise suddenly instituting flashback sequences). It wouldn't surprise me if David's voice-over is from the film though.
From the ship coming out of space and on is in the film. We have seen it in multiple trailers and the level of effects are far too expensive to justify not putting it in. This scene has also been described by multiple people who saw the film already.
Now the earlier parts with Shaw and the entire voice over may very well not be.
Quote from: Robopadna on Apr 26, 2017, 07:38:11 PM
Now the earlier parts with Shaw and the entire voice over may very well not be.
Yes, that's what I meant. The Engineer genocide sequence is definitely in. I think David's V.O. about her may be as well, and that it was simply spliced into this.
Quote from: Synyster on Apr 26, 2017, 07:26:17 PM
Why does David go mad? A human just saved his life. He says because he was alone again. So loneliness drive him mad?
He is like that religious terrorist, you can put him in old folks homeses and let him do charity and work with sick people, but in the end of the day when he is home alone, he crawls back into that dark place and thinks to himself, the infidels must die, i am right and you are all wrong.
(with all due respect to the religious people on this site)
But i have a question for the people who keep saying "the ship docks with the scorpion" where do you guys and girls get that idea?
The last shot is so intense. David, the urns, the citadel...
Ok it was entertaining to watch. However, the questions rose by the end of Prometheus regarding how the hell did they manage to take off and control a Derelict ship, have ended up being "answered" sorta this way:
- They manage to make it for another temple and take another Derelict ship - check
- They take off without using the chair - LeLz
- They navigate space without a pilot in the chair - LeLz
- Shaw patches David's head up back to Its body - check
- They walk around the ship in the middle of space as If they were at home - LeLz
- Shaw is still happy as she will finally be able to visit their creators, and all that after what happened with the engineer boy in the movie - LeLz
- Shaw is put to cryosleep without a pressure suit, when It's clearly requiered for the wires to plug in across your body as we saw in Prometheus - LeLz
- The very cryosleep chamber is now smaller or resized in order to make Shaw to not look as the dwarf she is, giving the impression she even fits it well - LeLz
- It's about to rain LeLz on them engineer boyz - check
- So many laughs after watching this prologue and finding out that Scott has been eventually unable to explain all these questions regarding how the hell they did manage to take off and control the ship, as we could not have it any other way tbh - check
Ok. Now roll on May
OMG! I cannot wait to see this movie.
why would you put together a psychopat?
Birth.Movies.Death. is reporting that Shaw's portion of the clip will not be in the final film. The bombing will, however, which we all guesed.
Quote from: fernandito on Apr 26, 2017, 07:51:03 PM
Ok it was entertaining to watch. However, the questions rose by the end of Prometheus regarding how the hell did they manage to take off and control a Derelict ship, have ended up being "answered" sorta this way:
- They manage to make it for another temple and take another Derelict ship - check
- They take off without using the chair - LeLz
- They navigate space without a pilot in the chair - LeLz
- Shaw patches David's head up back to Its body - check
- They walk around the ship in the middle of space as If they were at home - LeLz
- Shaw is still happy as she will finally be able to visit their creators, and all that after what happened with the engineer boy in the movie - LeLz
- Shaw is put to cryosleep without a pressure suit, when It's clearly requiered for the wires to plug in across your body as we saw in Prometheus - LeLz
- The very cryosleep chamber is now smaller or resized in order to make Shaw to not look as the dwarf she is, giving the impression she even fits it well - LeLz
- It's about to rain LeLz on them engineer boyz - check
- So many laughs after watching this prologue and finding out that Scott has been eventually unable to explain all these questions regarding how the hell they did manage to take off and control the ship, as we could not have it any other way tbh - check
Ok. Now roll on May
It could all be on purpose, maybe he gave her eternal sleep, "how long will it take?" "impossible to tell" he said, well that "impossible" instantly made my bells ring, that was clearly false info from David.
But the most important atm for me is, the arms on the jockey suits are long, something tells me Ridley is saying with this, these are the jockeys from my first Alien movie, deal with it, live with it.
Quote from: Robopadna on Apr 26, 2017, 07:28:31 PM
Quote from: kwisatz on Apr 26, 2017, 07:24:33 PM
Look where the Juggernaut docks theres a platform withstanding a the end of the Scorpionaut. There might not even be a free field of fire straight from the Juggernaut to the plaza. Maybe thats where the Scorpionaut "sucks" the urns in or weaponises them in another way.
All I can say is we have literally seen this scene. The scorpion plays no role but to dock the ship (and why wouldn't they have a way of docking a ship? They need to make sure it's clear of pathogens, especially because it's coming from a 2000 year old bio weapons planet). The urns drop straight out of the juggernaut and down. Anything you think is in the way is just a matter of viewing perspective. They simply fall right out.
Ja obviously.
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Quote from: acidreign on Apr 26, 2017, 06:10:45 PM
Really liked that bit, hope it's in the movie!
It'll be in the movie
How do you know? :)
Thats what he chose to believe, and like shaw, he was wrong, he was so wrong
Quote from: Walter on Apr 26, 2017, 07:02:23 PM
I found some new scenes of Spores ::)
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This is why they should have helmets on an alien planet,they are dumb like people from Prometheus.
Quote from: fernandito on Apr 26, 2017, 07:51:03 PM
- They manage to make it for another temple and take another Derelict ship - check
Why is that implausible?
Quote- They take off without using the chair - LeLz
- They navigate space without a pilot in the chair - LeLz
There is no evidence they did that. David could've guided Shaw through it pre-reattachment. Or for all we know she reattached it before they even left LV-223.
Quote- Shaw patches David's head up back to Its body - check
Very possible. Ripley was able to do basic work on synthetics without a talking guide.
Quote- They walk around the ship in the middle of space as If they were at home - LeLz
Just like any other ship in the series.
Quote- Shaw is still happy as she will finally be able to visit their creators, and all that after what happened with the engineer boy in the movie - LeLz
Shaw is a scientist bent on discovery.
Quote- Shaw is put to cryosleep without a pressure suit, when It's clearly requiered for the wires to plug in across your body as we saw in Prometheus - LeLz
Only necessarily required for Engineers wearing their flight suits. We have no idea if that's needed to function with human physiology. That's just you deciding it must.
Quote- The very cryosleep chamber is now smaller or resized in order to make Shaw to not look as the dwarf she is, giving the impression she even fits it well - LeLz
Maybe it shifts!
Seriously, what exactly did you expect them to say about how those two flew the ship? That there was going to be some elaborate apparatus by which something else did it? Even five years ago there was never any chance they were not going to show Fassbender or Noomi Rapace in the pilot's chair someday.
I noticed in the clip that the Engineers were cheering. They seemed very happy to see the ship. At least until David started bombing them.
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Look where the Juggernaut docks theres a platform withstanding a the end of the Scorpionaut. There might not even be a free field of fire straight from the Juggernaut to the plaza. Maybe thats where the Scorpionaut "sucks" the urns in or weaponises them in another way.
All I can say is we have literally seen this scene. The scorpion plays no role but to dock the ship (and why wouldn't they have a way of docking a ship? They need to make sure it's clear of pathogens, especially because it's coming from a 2000 year old bio weapons planet). The urns drop straight out of the juggernaut and down. Anything you think is in the way is just a matter of viewing perspective. They simply fall right out.
Ja obviously.
http://i.imgur.com/FVoAMLe.gif
From where you got that shot?
Quote from: Ragonk_Force on Apr 26, 2017, 07:58:30 PM
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Really liked that bit, hope it's in the movie!
It'll be in the movie
How do you know? :)
Thats what he chose to believe, and like shaw, he was wrong, he was so wrong
I wonder why it's been cut from the final version. What was the purpose of filming it if it's not gonna end up in the film? DVD extras?
Quote from: Sabres21768 on Apr 26, 2017, 08:10:55 PM
I noticed in the clip that the Engineers were cheering. They seemed very happy to see the ship.
Yeah, I thought what appeared to be V.O. of World Cup/Super Bowl fans cheering from below to be a bit silly.
Quote from: fernandito on Apr 26, 2017, 07:51:03 PM
Ok it was entertaining to watch. However, the questions rose by the end of Prometheus regarding how the hell did they manage to take off and control a Derelict ship, have ended up being "answered" sorta this way:
- They manage to make it for another temple and take another Derelict ship - check
- They take off without using the chair - LeLz
- They navigate space without a pilot in the chair - LeLz
- Shaw patches David's head up back to Its body - check
- They walk around the ship in the middle of space as If they were at home - LeLz
- Shaw is still happy as she will finally be able to visit their creators, and all that after what happened with the engineer boy in the movie - LeLz
- Shaw is put to cryosleep without a pressure suit, when It's clearly requiered for the wires to plug in across your body as we saw in Prometheus - LeLz
- The very cryosleep chamber is now smaller or resized in order to make Shaw to not look as the dwarf she is, giving the impression she even fits it well - LeLz
- It's about to rain LeLz on them engineer boyz - check
- So many laughs after watching this prologue and finding out that Scott has been eventually unable to explain all these questions regarding how the hell they did manage to take off and control the ship, as we could not have it any other way tbh - check
Ok. Now roll on May
Jesus you must be a real pain in the ass to watch a film with.
Use your imagination, not everything needs to be spoon fed to you.
Quote from: Ingwar on Apr 26, 2017, 08:11:49 PM
I wonder why it's been cut from the final version. What was the purpose of filming it if it's not gonna end up in the film? DVD extras?
Same as the Last Supper. Viral marketing.
I do think it's tacky that they keep offloading character scenes into promotion. Particularly with the Last Supper, which is heavily featured in TV spots now but which is neither directed by Ridley Scott nor in the actual film.
Quote from: hfeldhaus on Apr 26, 2017, 08:12:07 PM
Quote from: fernandito on Apr 26, 2017, 07:51:03 PM
Ok it was entertaining to watch. However, the questions rose by the end of Prometheus regarding how the hell did they manage to take off and control a Derelict ship, have ended up being "answered" sorta this way:
- They manage to make it for another temple and take another Derelict ship - check
- They take off without using the chair - LeLz
- They navigate space without a pilot in the chair - LeLz
- Shaw patches David's head up back to Its body - check
- They walk around the ship in the middle of space as If they were at home - LeLz
- Shaw is still happy as she will finally be able to visit their creators, and all that after what happened with the engineer boy in the movie - LeLz
- Shaw is put to cryosleep without a pressure suit, when It's clearly requiered for the wires to plug in across your body as we saw in Prometheus - LeLz
- The very cryosleep chamber is now smaller or resized in order to make Shaw to not look as the dwarf she is, giving the impression she even fits it well - LeLz
- It's about to rain LeLz on them engineer boyz - check
- So many laughs after watching this prologue and finding out that Scott has been eventually unable to explain all these questions regarding how the hell they did manage to take off and control the ship, as we could not have it any other way tbh - check
Ok. Now roll on May
Jesus you must be a real pain in the ass to watch a film with.
Use your imagination, not everything needs to be spoon fed to you.
You see, the clip isn't an accurate simulation of the "real" Alien universe, as Ridley Scott didn't account for pointless minutiae for internet nitpickers. LeLz!
Quote from: hfeldhaus on Apr 26, 2017, 08:12:07 PM
Quote from: fernandito on Apr 26, 2017, 07:51:03 PM
Ok it was entertaining to watch. However, the questions rose by the end of Prometheus regarding how the hell did they manage to take off and control a Derelict ship, have ended up being "answered" sorta this way:
- They manage to make it for another temple and take another Derelict ship - check
- They take off without using the chair - LeLz
- They navigate space without a pilot in the chair - LeLz
- Shaw patches David's head up back to Its body - check
- They walk around the ship in the middle of space as If they were at home - LeLz
- Shaw is still happy as she will finally be able to visit their creators, and all that after what happened with the engineer boy in the movie - LeLz
- Shaw is put to cryosleep without a pressure suit, when It's clearly requiered for the wires to plug in across your body as we saw in Prometheus - LeLz
- The very cryosleep chamber is now smaller or resized in order to make Shaw to not look as the dwarf she is, giving the impression she even fits it well - LeLz
- It's about to rain LeLz on them engineer boyz - check
- So many laughs after watching this prologue and finding out that Scott has been eventually unable to explain all these questions regarding how the hell they did manage to take off and control the ship, as we could not have it any other way tbh - check
Ok. Now roll on May
Jesus you must be a real pain in the ass to watch a film with.
Use your imagination, not everything needs to be spoon fed to you.
Well, wouldnt it be cool if Ridley showed this in the extras on the blu ray, with Prometheus i got a lot of deleted scenes, but it would be insanely awesome if Ridley filmed the escape from Lv-223 and with the deacon on their tail, fanbase instant pleaser.
Quote from: hfeldhaus on Apr 26, 2017, 08:12:07 PM
Jesus you must be a real pain in the ass to watch a film with.
Use your imagination, not everything needs to be spoon fed to you.
I would have certainly been delighted with your face of happiness as you watched Prometheus, and enjoyed every single piece of utter nonsense left unexplained just like you do, as It is inevitable to leave it unexplained when you have to deal with utter nonsense
geez lol
So the Scorpion tail moves and has some pretty large holes in it that look like entrances and or exits. What is it! ???
That was a great clip, very well done. I really like the feel so far and if Luke Scott directed this piece, then that's even better. The vibe you get from David is that he's crazy in a zealot kind of way. I was not a super Prometheus fan. I though a lot of it was sloppy and some of the parts were down-right stupid ( i.e Vickers not moving sideways to avoid being crushed). Maybe a lot of that had to do with the script but once again I have high hopes for this film. I like what I've seen so far. Hoping for the best.
The FX in that scene are just amazing
Quote from: Ragonk_Force on Apr 26, 2017, 08:21:36 PM
The FX in that scene are just amazing
Yes the scenery as they approach the docking bay is certainly pleasant to the eyes, even as damn cgi. It's very well done indeed
Quote from: Synyster on Apr 26, 2017, 08:19:07 PM
So the Scorpion tail moves and has some pretty large holes in it that look like entrances and or exits. What is it! ???
Its a slide, the juggernaut docks, the humans/engineers just slide through the hole and fall down into the iris in the ground and they plunge into a pool of black goo so that they wont die from the fall..... (laughing of my own joke)
hahah
Seems like the engineers lost the ability of space travel? Maybe lost contact with their ships (?) which is why they cheer the Comeback of one of their own
Quote from: Infected on Apr 26, 2017, 08:25:48 PM
Quote from: Synyster on Apr 26, 2017, 08:19:07 PM
So the Scorpion tail moves and has some pretty large holes in it that look like entrances and or exits. What is it! ???
Its a slide, the juggernaut docks, the humans/engineers just slide through the hole and fall down into the iris in the ground and they plunge into a pool of black goo so that they wont die from the fall..... (laughing of my own joke)
:laugh:
Quote from: Infected on Apr 26, 2017, 08:25:48 PM
Quote from: Synyster on Apr 26, 2017, 08:19:07 PM
So the Scorpion tail moves and has some pretty large holes in it that look like entrances and or exits. What is it! ???
Its a slide, the juggernaut docks, the humans/engineers just slide through the hole and fall down into the iris in the ground and they plunge into a pool of black goo so that they wont die from the fall..... (laughing of my own joke)
;D
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fprn.fm%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2015%2F03%2FGiant-Vacuum.jpg&hash=5b60afeb0bfe964aabc36a14ebd4a84b6546c4c0)
Quote from: Infected on Apr 26, 2017, 07:57:20 PM
Quote from: fernandito on Apr 26, 2017, 07:51:03 PM
Ok it was entertaining to watch. However, the questions rose by the end of Prometheus regarding how the hell did they manage to take off and control a Derelict ship, have ended up being "answered" sorta this way:
- They manage to make it for another temple and take another Derelict ship - check
- They take off without using the chair - LeLz
- They navigate space without a pilot in the chair - LeLz
- Shaw patches David's head up back to Its body - check
- They walk around the ship in the middle of space as If they were at home - LeLz
- Shaw is still happy as she will finally be able to visit their creators, and all that after what happened with the engineer boy in the movie - LeLz
- Shaw is put to cryosleep without a pressure suit, when It's clearly requiered for the wires to plug in across your body as we saw in Prometheus - LeLz
- The very cryosleep chamber is now smaller or resized in order to make Shaw to not look as the dwarf she is, giving the impression she even fits it well - LeLz
- It's about to rain LeLz on them engineer boyz - check
- So many laughs after watching this prologue and finding out that Scott has been eventually unable to explain all these questions regarding how the hell they did manage to take off and control the ship, as we could not have it any other way tbh - check
Ok. Now roll on May
It could all be on purpose, maybe he gave her eternal sleep, "how long will it take?" "impossible to tell" he said, well that "impossible" instantly made my bells ring, that was clearly false info from David.
But the most important atm for me is, the arms on the jockey suits are long, something tells me Ridley is saying with this, these are the jockeys from my first Alien movie, deal with it, live with it.
Yeah I noticed that. I think your right and he is saying that.
Cool. David exterminates alien race, because... Show have a kind heart!
Quote from: Synyster on Apr 26, 2017, 08:19:07 PM
So the Scorpion tail moves and has some pretty large holes in it that look like entrances and or exits. What is it! ???
Tough to say. The juggernaut does dock with the scorpionaut (or whatever) and then unleashes it's payload. Part of the activation process? In any event, it looks like the scorpionaut is in place well before the juggernaut gets on scene. Rolling out the red carpet? It does seem as if the Engineers are welcoming the ship home and then all hell breaks loose.
OMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMG
this.movie.is.so.awesome.
THIS
MOVIE
IS
SO
AWESOME.
ok i need to breathe in a bag right now. so excited!!!!!!!!!
David looks so creepy in that shot at the end! Loving it!
Why didn't they show the whole bombarding the Paradise scene?? Then screen goes dark. At least the scenes from Alien Covenant "Devastation" TV Spot.
Quote from: kwisatz on Apr 26, 2017, 08:28:41 PM
Quote from: Infected on Apr 26, 2017, 08:25:48 PM
Quote from: Synyster on Apr 26, 2017, 08:19:07 PM
So the Scorpion tail moves and has some pretty large holes in it that look like entrances and or exits. What is it! ???
Its a slide, the juggernaut docks, the humans/engineers just slide through the hole and fall down into the iris in the ground and they plunge into a pool of black goo so that they wont die from the fall..... (laughing of my own joke)
;D
http://prn.fm/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/Giant-Vacuum.jpg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jo1OjI4Yfv8
1:04 sorry couldnt find the right cut of it but "want me to vacuum now" LOL
If scott wants to answer all of your questions then he would be able to 7/8 movies just to answer your question and one of them will be shaw and david are learning how to drive this ship another will be exploring the engineer ship......Don't be a noob mate.....:P
Interesting that this isn't going to be in the film. This scene was in the December test screening according to the original 4chan leaker.
ok I'm going to watch it and laugh again. I never thought I could laugh any harder after watching them leaving in a Derelict ship by the end of Prometheus, but hell yeah that I can hahahaaaaaaaa
Roll on May! Let's see what's next. Engineers wearing hats perhaps? xD
Quote from: fernandito on Apr 26, 2017, 08:18:35 PM
Quote from: hfeldhaus on Apr 26, 2017, 08:12:07 PM
Jesus you must be a real pain in the ass to watch a film with.
Use your imagination, not everything needs to be spoon fed to you.
I would have certainly been delighted with your face of happiness as you watched Prometheus, and enjoyed every single piece of utter nonsense left unexplained just like you do, as It is inevitable to leave it unexplained when you have to deal with utter nonsense
geez lol
Who said I loved Prometheus enough to forgive all its flaws.
You're just nit picking pointless details. Details which would bog down the whole thing. Film structure is a delicate balance.
Percy Shelley's
OzymandiasQuoteI met a traveller from an antique land
Who said: Two vast and trunkless legs of stone
Stand in the desert. Near them, on the sand,
Half sunk, a shattered visage lies, whose frown,
And wrinkled lip, and sneer of cold command,
Tell that its sculptor well those passions read
Which yet survive, stamped on these lifeless things,
The hand that mocked them and the heart that fed:
And on the pedestal these words appear:
'My name is Ozymandias, king of kings:
Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!'
Nothing beside remains. Round the decay
Of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare
The lone and level sands stretch far away
'My name is David, king of kings:
Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!'
;D ;D
i get the sneaky feeling that something in that Engineer ship corrupts David. theres still that theory about 2 different factions of Engineers raised by Aliens Colonial Marines (feeding into the extended beginning of Prometheus that shows the "peaceful" Engineers seeding the planet and flying a circular ship). I wonder if Davids programming gets corrupted by some sort of virus via learning about the Engineers on their ship while Shaw sleeps?
I wonder if that's actually what happened...or David's "version" of events. I think there could be a horrific twist here. David has a touch of the Norman Bates about him; Narcissistic. Delusional. One cable short of reattachment ;)
Also, I wonder how secure the head is? They surely didn't have the right tools at hand, just enough to make him functional.
Did Shaw eat Engineer provisions? Was there access to clean water? Where was the bathroom?
I didn't think it featured in the final cut, they did announce it as a special presentation from Ridley exclusive for the event.
I'm very excited overall.
Quote from: Game_Over_Man on Apr 26, 2017, 08:59:31 PM
I wonder if that's actually what happened...or David's "version" of events. I think there could be a horrific twist here. David has a touch of the Norman Bates about him; Narcissistic. Delusional. One cable short of reattachment ;)
Also, I wonder how secure the head is? They surely didn't have the right tools at hand, just enough to make him functional.
Did Shaw eat Engineer provisions? Was there access to clean water? Where was the bathroom?
I didn't think it featured in the final cut, they did announce it as a special presentation from Ridley exclusive for the event.
I'm very excited overall.
The key line in this video is where David said that he was alone again and learned more about their (Engineers). Who knows how much time he had while Shaw was in cryo? I also noticed they appeared to have some human supplies. Cups, maps, etc.
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Apr 26, 2017, 08:11:58 PM
Quote from: Sabres21768 on Apr 26, 2017, 08:10:55 PM
I noticed in the clip that the Engineers were cheering. They seemed very happy to see the ship.
Yeah, I thought what appeared to be V.O. of World Cup/Super Bowl fans cheering from below to be a bit silly.
Didn't sound like cheering to me, just the faint roar of a massive crowd...?
Quote from: Predaker on Apr 26, 2017, 09:02:33 PM
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Apr 26, 2017, 08:11:58 PM
Quote from: Sabres21768 on Apr 26, 2017, 08:10:55 PM
I noticed in the clip that the Engineers were cheering. They seemed very happy to see the ship.
Yeah, I thought what appeared to be V.O. of World Cup/Super Bowl fans cheering from below to be a bit silly.
Didn't sound like cheering to me, just the faint roar of a massive crowd...?
It was cheering. Waiting for whoever went on a beer run to return.
QuoteI wonder if that's actually what happened...or David's "version" of events. I think there could be a horrific twist here. David has a touch of the Norman Bates about him; Narcissistic. Delusional.
Doesnt make sense though. This is meant as a bridge piece and to give Noomi a not so abrupt departure, because Prometheus wasnt actually her fault but Ridleys/Lindelofs whomever --
ok now some calmness arrived.
dayum. so cool. but ok.
this will definately be in it's fullest in the movie, it's mentioned that the scene with the vase dropping is in the middle of the movie.
david tells the story. we see shaw, and obviously we need movie explenation why he's together again in shape. so this will defo
be in the movie, which i love
also, i start wondering now if shaw will actually be otherwise present in the movie, and we might get to actually see her reappear
in another movie, who knows.
That docking sequence is amazing. interesting, it is rather different then i assumed and really big. i thought the leaks said the openings end up into eachother but the entire ship goes into the other. so david brings the payload, the ammo, and the device is a gun? also curious then why that floor thing opened. i don't think that 'ship' came from that hole, but i might be mistaken?
interesting event. must attract quite the attention obviously that suddenly something is going on.
a couple of questions rise.
is this planet their homeplanet or is it actually a destination of the juggernaut they left lv-223 with, like the other juggernaut was supposed to go to earth?
as for earth, a question rises; why isnt there such a scorpionaut/dreadnaught docking apparatus here if that's how it's supposed to work?
as for the 'paradise planet', if that docking ship is then meant to gun down barrels, then it must be of destructive nature somehow. its already there, were they awaiting this to happen and something happened that they never arrived and david simply 'does their mission' ?
could that mean that that planet should have been destroyed of life 2000 years ago, too? galaxy-wide extinction mission, but something went wrong and the lv-223 location had a 'contamination breach' which caused the ships never to take off? part of a war?
this brings so much more to the table, i can't wait. only 2-3 weeks!
Quote from: rabidranger on Apr 26, 2017, 09:02:22 PM
Quote from: Game_Over_Man on Apr 26, 2017, 08:59:31 PM
I wonder if that's actually what happened...or David's "version" of events. I think there could be a horrific twist here. David has a touch of the Norman Bates about him; Narcissistic. Delusional. One cable short of reattachment ;)
Also, I wonder how secure the head is? They surely didn't have the right tools at hand, just enough to make him functional.
Did Shaw eat Engineer provisions? Was there access to clean water? Where was the bathroom?
I didn't think it featured in the final cut, they did announce it as a special presentation from Ridley exclusive for the event.
I'm very excited overall.
The key line in this video is where David said that he was alone again and learned more about their (Engineers). Who knows how much time he had while Shaw was in cryo? I also noticed they appeared to have some human supplies. Cups, maps, etc.
Was that a human cup? Could be engineer-ware. :D
The sacrificial engineer had a cup, too.
One thing is clear now. Shaw manages to scape cryo after that Derelict ship crashes in the woods
Quote from: Game_Over_Man on Apr 26, 2017, 08:59:31 PM
I wonder if that's actually what happened...or David's "version" of events. I think there could be a horrific twist here. David has a touch of the Norman Bates about him; Narcissistic. Delusional. One cable short of reattachment ;)
Also, I wonder how secure the head is? They surely didn't have the right tools at hand, just enough to make him functional.
Did Shaw eat Engineer provisions? Was there access to clean water? Where was the bathroom?
My assumption is they raided stores and provisions leftover from the wreckage of
Prometheus and Vickers' suite before leaving LV-223. Clothes, food, etc. needed for Shaw. Although I'd not be shocked if the tech onboard the juggernaut could fabricate any number of provisions.
Quote from: fernandito on Apr 26, 2017, 09:06:27 PM
One thing is clear now. Shaw manages to scape cryo after that Derelict ship crashes in the woods
How is that clear?
Quote from: cliffhanger on Apr 26, 2017, 09:06:05 PM
this will definately be in it's fullest in the movie, it's mentioned that the scene with the vase dropping is in the middle of the movie.
The drop is. The material with Shaw and David before arriving at the Engineers' world allegedly is not.
Quotes this planet their homeplanet or is it actually a destination of the juggernaut they left lv-223 with, like the other juggernaut was supposed to go to earth?
They have said in advance press, at the end of
Prometheus and now in this featurette that David and Shaw went to the Engineers' homeworld. David explicitly says that he and Shaw worked together to find the homeworld and set course for it.
Quote from: Predaker on Apr 26, 2017, 09:06:17 PM
Quote from: rabidranger on Apr 26, 2017, 09:02:22 PM
Quote from: Game_Over_Man on Apr 26, 2017, 08:59:31 PM
I wonder if that's actually what happened...or David's "version" of events. I think there could be a horrific twist here. David has a touch of the Norman Bates about him; Narcissistic. Delusional. One cable short of reattachment ;)
Also, I wonder how secure the head is? They surely didn't have the right tools at hand, just enough to make him functional.
Did Shaw eat Engineer provisions? Was there access to clean water? Where was the bathroom?
I didn't think it featured in the final cut, they did announce it as a special presentation from Ridley exclusive for the event.
I'm very excited overall.
The key line in this video is where David said that he was alone again and learned more about their (Engineers). Who knows how much time he had while Shaw was in cryo? I also noticed they appeared to have some human supplies. Cups, maps, etc.
Was that a human cup? Could be engineer-ware. :D
The sacrificial engineer had a cup, too.
Good point. A cup is a cup I guess!
FFS man pls tell me we will see him drop the black stuff over the city. :'(
I actually believe, it's not the engineer homeworld and the Scorpionaut was deliberately left there.
And there probably was one on earth too, before they revolted.
Everyone there looks so... in awe to see the Derelict like "it's coming back" after such a long time.
And if I was to guess again, I would suspect that David has "learnt" what the Engineers are doing / all about :D
And it has something to do about weaponizing this black goo.
Engineer creates life, black goo-ed it, but then for which purpose, I'm sure it's what covenant is going to set, so we understand there's something "bigger" than just a robot killing all engineers and creating the Alien (it doesn't sound very Scott's like to be honest, it lacks depth).
Also, if you take a very very very close look at the pictures and promo videos, it's very very very very very very very very (I can't put enough very) obvious, that this "round plaza" thing IS A TRAP.
It looks so well designed to weaponize the black goo, there are even fences that closes on the entrance to trap everyone.
It can't be there just by "accident" or "randomness".
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Apr 26, 2017, 09:07:01 PM
how is that clear
The hologram we saw of her should be a recording of what we see now while she operates the console and David is on the chair. She should not be infected or anything else, unless what it looked like a stab at the end of the recording was indeed a stab, suggesting that the recording is not of what we see now, but of something else after when she leaves cryo.
The covenant guys don't seem to find her when they enter the crushed Derelict also, just her tags, so It would be safely to assume that the crash frees her from the cryo
Quote from: rabidranger on Apr 26, 2017, 09:09:59 PM
Quote from: Predaker on Apr 26, 2017, 09:06:17 PM
Quote from: rabidranger on Apr 26, 2017, 09:02:22 PM
Quote from: Game_Over_Man on Apr 26, 2017, 08:59:31 PM
I wonder if that's actually what happened...or David's "version" of events. I think there could be a horrific twist here. David has a touch of the Norman Bates about him; Narcissistic. Delusional. One cable short of reattachment ;)
Also, I wonder how secure the head is? They surely didn't have the right tools at hand, just enough to make him functional.
Did Shaw eat Engineer provisions? Was there access to clean water? Where was the bathroom?
I didn't think it featured in the final cut, they did announce it as a special presentation from Ridley exclusive for the event.
I'm very excited overall.
The key line in this video is where David said that he was alone again and learned more about their (Engineers). Who knows how much time he had while Shaw was in cryo? I also noticed they appeared to have some human supplies. Cups, maps, etc.
Was that a human cup? Could be engineer-ware. :D
The sacrificial engineer had a cup, too.
Good point. A cup is a cup I guess!
I noticed the cup has some weight to it when you hear her set it down. Did they have heavy cups like that on the Prometheus?
Quote from: fernandito on Apr 26, 2017, 09:11:36 PM
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Apr 26, 2017, 09:07:01 PM
how is that clear
The hologram we saw of her should be a recording of what we see now while she operates the console and David is on the chair. She should not be infected or anything else, unless what it looked like a stab at the end of the recording was indeed a stab, suggesting that the recording is not of what we see now, but of something else after when she leaves cryo.
The covenant guys don't seem to find her when they enter the crushed Derelict also, just her tags, so It would be safely to assume that the crash frees her from the cryo
no, she doesnt get stabbed. you can see from her movements that that is the EXACT same we see in holograph. it's literally the exact same movement.
the question that remains though; can we see the cryotube in the 'shaw' tv spot or not, can't remember i did?
Quote from: cliffhanger on Apr 26, 2017, 09:06:05 PM
ok now some calmness arrived.
dayum. so cool. but ok.
this will definately be in it's fullest in the movie, it's mentioned that the scene with the vase dropping is in the middle of the movie.
david tells the story. we see shaw, and obviously we need movie explenation why he's together again in shape. so this will defo
be in the movie, which i love
also, i start wondering now if shaw will actually be otherwise present in the movie, and we might get to actually see her reappear
in another movie, who knows.
That docking sequence is amazing. interesting, it is rather different then i assumed and really big. i thought the leaks said the openings end up into eachother but the entire ship goes into the other. so david brings the payload, the ammo, and the device is a gun? also curious then why that floor thing opened. i don't think that 'ship' came from that hole, but i might be mistaken?
interesting event. must attract quite the attention obviously that suddenly something is going on.
a couple of questions rise.
is this planet their homeplanet or is it actually a destination of the juggernaut they left lv-223 with, like the other juggernaut was supposed to go to earth?
as for earth, a question rises; why isnt there such a scorpionaut/dreadnaught docking apparatus here if that's how it's supposed to work?
as for the 'paradise planet', if that docking ship is then meant to gun down barrels, then it must be of destructive nature somehow. its already there, were they awaiting this to happen and something happened that they never arrived and david simply 'does their mission' ?
could that mean that that planet should have been destroyed of life 2000 years ago, too? galaxy-wide extinction mission, but something went wrong and the lv-223 location had a 'contamination breach' which caused the ships never to take off? part of a war?
this brings so much more to the table, i can't wait. only 2-3 weeks!
Maybe the engineers search the galaxy for inferior species, bastard creations from the engineers/jockeys, and they want to exterminate them, and the engineer type humanoids at the citadel did just suffered the fate of what was waiting for us on Earth if the derelict never crashed, and the scorpion is just a automated vessel wich syncs with engineer ships on arrival of its destination....
This a lot of bla but my question is, the scorpion is a mystery, knowing what it is and does is probably the most important thing in all this, its another green crystal thing mystery atm
I don't really like the shot if the juggernaut flying through space. Looks too low tech in terms of fun making. If u look at the Prometheus flying through space, that was impressive. This looked chintzy. Otherwise this really looked interesting...
Quite well done but no way i'm ever buying that this fantasy space opera takes place in the same classic A L I E N universe.
So i was thinking could this be a little look at what Alien Awakening might be about? shaw waking and finding out what david has done? just thinking out loud. I bet most likely just hypeing up the alien covenant prequel book.
Quote from: Le Celticant on Apr 26, 2017, 09:11:29 PM
I actually believe, it's not the engineer homeworld and the Scorpionaut was deliberately left there.
And there probably was one on earth too, before they revolted.
Everyone there looks so... in awe to see the Derelict like "it's coming back" after such a long time.
And if I was to guess again, I would suspect that David has "learnt" what the Engineers are doing / all about :D
And it has something to do about weaponizing this black goo.
Engineer creates life, black goo-ed it, but then for which purpose, I'm sure it's what covenant is going to set, so we understand there's something "bigger" than just a robot killing all engineers and creating the Alien (it doesn't sound very Scott's like to be honest, it lacks depth).
Also, if you take a very very very close look at the pictures and promo videos, it's very very very very very very very very (I can't put enough very) obvious, that this "round plaza" thing IS A TRAP.
It looks so well designed to weaponize the black goo, there are even fences that closes on the entrance to trap everyone.
It can't be there just by "accident" or "randomness".
I would definitely welcome this direction.
But i wondered if these are really fences?
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.alien-covenant.com%2Faliencovenant_uploads%2F1481320738384.jpg&hash=28fb13d69e62e77b98d7ad5763ad1728d79e06eb)
Its these right? But are the gaps really too small to get through?
Quote from: fernandito on Apr 26, 2017, 09:11:36 PM
The hologram we saw of her should be a recording of what we see now while she operates the console and David is on the chair. She should not be infected or anything else, unless what it looked like a stab at the end of the recording was indeed a stab, suggesting that the recording is not of what we see now, but of something else after when she leaves cryo.
There is no stab. I am not disputing Shaw may come out of cryo, I am saying there is no evidence either way based on this clip.
Quote from: kwisatz on Apr 26, 2017, 09:18:35 PM
Quote from: Le Celticant on Apr 26, 2017, 09:11:29 PM
I actually believe, it's not the engineer homeworld and the Scorpionaut was deliberately left there.
And there probably was one on earth too, before they revolted.
Everyone there looks so... in awe to see the Derelict like "it's coming back" after such a long time.
And if I was to guess again, I would suspect that David has "learnt" what the Engineers are doing / all about :D
And it has something to do about weaponizing this black goo.
Engineer creates life, black goo-ed it, but then for which purpose, I'm sure it's what covenant is going to set, so we understand there's something "bigger" than just a robot killing all engineers and creating the Alien (it doesn't sound very Scott's like to be honest, it lacks depth).
Also, if you take a very very very close look at the pictures and promo videos, it's very very very very very very very very (I can't put enough very) obvious, that this "round plaza" thing IS A TRAP.
It looks so well designed to weaponize the black goo, there are even fences that closes on the entrance to trap everyone.
It can't be there just by "accident" or "randomness".
I would definitely welcome this direction.
But i wondered if these are really fences?
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.alien-covenant.com%2Faliencovenant_uploads%2F1481320738384.jpg&hash=28fb13d69e62e77b98d7ad5763ad1728d79e06eb)
Its these right? But are the gaps really too small to get through?
You can clearly see in the TV spots the fences up;
(and the people rushing towards it trying to escape).
Quote from: theDecline84 on Apr 26, 2017, 09:17:36 PM
So i was thinking could this be a little look at what Alien Awakening might be about?
People misunderstood/Ridley misspoke.
Alien: Awakening is taking place after
Covenant.
Quote from: Le Celticant on Apr 26, 2017, 09:11:29 PM
I actually believe, it's not the engineer homeworld and the Scorpionaut was deliberately left there.
They have said in press, in
Prometheus and now in this very featurette that this is the Engineer homeworld.
Quote from: reecebomb on Apr 26, 2017, 09:15:56 PM
Quite well done but no way i'm ever buying this fantasy space opera takes place in the same classic A L I E N universe.
I personally can more easily buy a grand cosmic space opera evolving out of the mystery of the space jockey a la
Prometheus and this clip vs. the story devolving to
Spoiler
"the alien was created by a vengeful android who killed the space jockeys and bred the monster a mere twenty years before Alien".
I think one option opens the universe and the other makes it incredibly plain.
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Apr 26, 2017, 09:23:59 PM
Quote from: Le Celticant on Apr 26, 2017, 09:11:29 PM
I actually believe, it's not the engineer homeworld and the Scorpionaut was deliberately left there.
They have said in press, in Prometheus and now in this very featurette that this is the Engineer homeworld.
Okay let me then rephrase, by using an analogy to the quadrilogy:
They already said Ripley died in Alien³ :P
And everyone panic seeing her in Resurrection !
Maybe you know, there's something we don't understand because the film is not out yet.
Maybe the original engineers have left there own planet.
And maybe they've seeded it with their own DNA.
You know, it's called story telling, it's supposed to surprises you, not to bore you with obvious answers :P
It may not be as simple as "oh it's the engineer homeworld and they are all engineers and david kill them all".
But then if it is, my apology, or Ridley's apology to be honest, cos that would suck, light years in scale.
(and to be honest I wouldn't be surprised, after all the guy who did Blade Runner and Alien also did Prometheus and Exodus [and Robin Hood])
I hope their are some tall ones like we saw in Prometheus in this scene. Because the one's shown look about the same size as the one that sacrifices himself at the beginning of that film.
Quote from: Le Celticant on Apr 26, 2017, 09:27:48 PM
You know, it's called story telling, it's supposed to surprises you, not to bore you with obvious answers :P
It may not be as simple as "oh it's the engineer homeworld and they are all engineers and david kill them all".
But then if it is, my apology, or Ridley's apology to be honest, cos that would suck, light years in scale.
I don't disagree with you that it would suck. But this is the fundamental problem with a lot of these discussions I've had: People don't want to believe Ridley would do that so they start coming up with any alternate theory. That is exactly what Ridley is doing and we've known it for months. And now we have David literally telling us onscreen and people are asking 'but what if he didn't mean it?'
He did mean it. This is it. I don't like it either, but that's it.
Quote from: Le Celticant on Apr 26, 2017, 09:27:48 PM
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Apr 26, 2017, 09:23:59 PM
Quote from: Le Celticant on Apr 26, 2017, 09:11:29 PM
I actually believe, it's not the engineer homeworld and the Scorpionaut was deliberately left there.
They have said in press, in Prometheus and now in this very featurette that this is the Engineer homeworld.
Okay let me then rephrase, by using an analogy to the quadrilogy:
They already said Ripley died in Alien³ :P
And everyone panic seeing her in Resurrection !
Maybe you know, there's something we don't understand because the film is not out yet.
Maybe the original engineers have left there own planet.
And maybe they've seeded it with their own DNA.
You know, it's called story telling, it's supposed to surprises you, not to bore you with obvious answers :P
It may not be as simple as "oh it's the engineer homeworld and they are all engineers and david kill them all".
But then if it is, my apology, or Ridley's apology to be honest, cos that would suck, light years in scale.
(and to be honest I wouldn't be surprised, after all the guy who did Blade Runner and Alien also did Prometheus and Exodus [and Robin Hood])
I still doubt it but hope dies last hm?
(https://i0.wp.com/onceuponascreen.files.wordpress.com/2016/06/doomed-beach.jpg?w=588&h=248&crop&ssl=1)
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Apr 26, 2017, 09:20:11 PM
I am saying there is no evidence either way based on this clip.
that's why I used the auxiliary form "would" be , followed by the adjective "safe", to end it all with the verb "to assume"
Did anybody else think the homeworld would look more Giger-esque? I expected something more bio-mechanical than primitive?
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Apr 26, 2017, 09:31:14 PM
Quote from: Le Celticant on Apr 26, 2017, 09:27:48 PM
You know, it's called story telling, it's supposed to surprises you, not to bore you with obvious answers :P
It may not be as simple as "oh it's the engineer homeworld and they are all engineers and david kill them all".
But then if it is, my apology, or Ridley's apology to be honest, cos that would suck, light years in scale.
I don't disagree with you that it would suck. But this is the fundamental problem with a lot of these discussions I've had: People don't want to believe Ridley would do that so they start coming up with any alternate theory. That is exactly what Ridley is doing and we've known it for months. And now we have David literally telling us onscreen and people are asking 'but what if he didn't mean it?'
He did mean it. This is it. I don't like it either, but that's it.
i.e. the use of "Maybe" and "I believe" and the fact it was an "opinion" not a fact itself.
Ah, people getting too quickly emotional and misreading ::) a classical tale that never gets old !
Quote from: echobbase79 on Apr 26, 2017, 09:36:17 PM
Did anybody else think the homeworld would look more Giger-esque? I expected something more bio-mechanical than primitive?
Giger? Oh that guy that worked on... wait nope, FOX!
Quote from: Whos_Nick on Apr 26, 2017, 08:42:13 PM
Interesting that this isn't going to be in the film. This scene was in the December test screening according to the original 4chan leaker.
I was thinking the same thing. Also, Sargadoa (I don't remember if that's how his handle was spelled) on imdb, who was very accurate in his very early leaks, said the filmed showed David putting Shaw into cryosleep and then having a very sinister looked on his face. According to his account, that was just about all we saw apart from the hologram later. Perhaps the footage from this prologue was recycled for that initially? Maybe it was filmed by Scott, removed, and then a version of it was re-shot for this prologue?
I'm glad we got this prologue film and it's great to see Shaw, but just seeing Noomi back in the role - even that little scoff when David tells her she's kindhearted - made me kind of desperate to see her in the role again in a larger way. I'm now pretty bummed we won't get more of her.
This just might turn out to be the best Alien film since 1986.
Quote from: shawsbaby on Apr 26, 2017, 09:40:29 PM
Quote from: Whos_Nick on Apr 26, 2017, 08:42:13 PM
Interesting that this isn't going to be in the film. This scene was in the December test screening according to the original 4chan leaker.
I was thinking the same thing. Also, Sargadoa (I don't remember if that's how his handle was spelled) on imdb, who was very accurate in his very early leaks, said the filmed showed David putting Shaw into cryosleep and then having a very sinister looked on his face. According to his account, that was just about all we saw apart from the hologram later. Perhaps the footage from this prologue was recycled for that initially? Maybe it was filmed by Scott, removed, and then a version of it was re-shot for this prologue?
I'm glad we got this prologue film and it's great to see Shaw, but just seeing Noomi back in the role - even that little scoff when David tells her she's kindhearted - made me kind of desperate to see her in the role again in a larger way. I'm now pretty bummed we won't get more of her.
She is a pretty good actress, and i liked seeing her again, felt familair.
I probably underestimated her work in Prometheus, seeing Waterston and now Rapace again, hope we will see more of her, and not just dead or be killed off, she is more valuable i see now.
I just rechecked though.
Ridlyes says specifically that this snippet takes place "in a time after Prometheus and at the beginning of the upcoming film Alien: Covenant"!
Make of it what you will, but i doubt that they will show the bombing sequence twice.
And for me this kinda rules out the 'David telling what happened to Shaw'-angle. Then again its Ridley.
You know, that "look upon my works, ye mighty, and despair" snippet of dialogue at the very end doesn't sound like David. He's definitely not speaking in the shot where we actually hear it. I'm willing to bet it's Peter Weyland, from the film's opening scene.
Quote from: echobbase79 on Apr 26, 2017, 09:36:17 PM
Did anybody else think the homeworld would look more Giger-esque? I expected something more bio-mechanical than primitive?
I did as well but it seems Ridley went in a different direction i guess.
(https://media.giphy.com/media/QdOvrjgiDOe6Q/giphy.gif)
Quote from: Predaker on Apr 26, 2017, 09:40:50 PM
This just might turn out to be the best Alien film since 1986.
Im thinking 79
Quote from: echobbase79 on Apr 26, 2017, 09:36:17 PM
Did anybody else think the homeworld would look more Giger-esque? I expected something more bio-mechanical than primitive?
Why more Giger-esque? This is homeworld of Engineers not Aliens. Besides, Xenomorphs don't have their home. They're bio-weapon.
Quote from: Ingwar on Apr 26, 2017, 09:58:22 PM
Quote from: echobbase79 on Apr 26, 2017, 09:36:17 PM
Did anybody else think the homeworld would look more Giger-esque? I expected something more bio-mechanical than primitive?
Why more Giger-esque? This is homeworld of Engineers not Aliens. Besides, Xenomorphs don't have their home. They're bio-weapon.
I thought their world would look similar to the designs of their ships. I will admit that the primitive look does contrast well against the bio-mechanical ships.
bloody awesome😏😏😏
the giger aesthetic comes from the blackstuff ......
it would make zero sense for their home world to resemble it in any way
I'm fairly certain the lv223 engineers were starting their own civilisation on that moon with the mural creature being their cornerstone for architecture , technology and even creation itself .
civil war breaks out based on that premise 😉
Quote from: echobbase79 on Apr 26, 2017, 10:01:48 PM
Quote from: Ingwar on Apr 26, 2017, 09:58:22 PM
Quote from: echobbase79 on Apr 26, 2017, 09:36:17 PM
Did anybody else think the homeworld would look more Giger-esque? I expected something more bio-mechanical than primitive?
Why more Giger-esque? This is homeworld of Engineers not Aliens. Besides, Xenomorphs don't have their home. They're bio-weapon.
I thought their world would look similar to the designs of their ships. I will admit that the primitive look does contrast well against the bio-mechanical ships.
Maybe because those folks are not
the Enginners? We'll see.
So this scene won't be in the film?! >:(
http://bloody-disgusting.com/movie/3434294/another-alien-covenant-short-film/ (http://bloody-disgusting.com/movie/3434294/another-alien-covenant-short-film/)
It looks perfect.
This is the footage I mentioned a few days back that I saw earlier this year. But it's been cut differently to how it was incorporated into the film than I saw.
Well at least this is a percentage of what we wanted to see touched upon in Prometheus 2. Though brief we got to see the after math and them arriving on Paradise.
Quote from: M_Tak on Apr 26, 2017, 10:18:40 PM
This is the footage I mentioned a few days back that I saw earlier this year. But it's been cut differently to how it was incorporated into the film than I saw.
How was it cut the way you saw it?
The Xenomorph in all its glory behind the scenes http://www.scified.com/u/animatronic-alien-alien-covenant.png
Quote from: echobbase79 on Apr 26, 2017, 10:24:05 PM
Quote from: M_Tak on Apr 26, 2017, 10:18:40 PM
This is the footage I mentioned a few days back that I saw earlier this year. But it's been cut differently to how it was incorporated into the film than I saw.
How was it cut the way you saw it?
Spoiler
In a discussion between Walter and David (discussing how he "loved" her) and then it goes into a flashback, but small shots like Shaw looking out of the window weren't in it. And some of the CG in the ship wasn't finished
"Its a old fashioned good Alien movie. By gar, it's been a while"
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/kP158nfO3jA/hqdefault.jpg)
Quote from: XENOMORPHOSIS on Apr 26, 2017, 10:32:02 PM
The Xenomorph in all its glory behind the scenes http://www.scified.com/u/animatronic-alien-alien-covenant.png
What video is this from?
Quote from: XENOMORPHOSIS on Apr 26, 2017, 10:32:02 PM
The Xenomorph in all its glory behind the scenes http://www.scified.com/u/animatronic-alien-alien-covenant.png
Finally!
Quote from: Omegamorph on Apr 26, 2017, 10:35:51 PM
Quote from: XENOMORPHOSIS on Apr 26, 2017, 10:32:02 PM
The Xenomorph in all its glory behind the scenes http://www.scified.com/u/animatronic-alien-alien-covenant.png
What video is this from?
Upcoming HBO featurette.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7leJSQrkrRE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7leJSQrkrRE)
Quote from: Omegamorph on Apr 26, 2017, 10:35:51 PM
Quote from: XENOMORPHOSIS on Apr 26, 2017, 10:32:02 PM
The Xenomorph in all its glory behind the scenes http://www.scified.com/u/animatronic-alien-alien-covenant.png
What video is this from?
http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=57080.0
Got a new idea:
What if David actually killed Shaw in the sleep after he "learned their (engineers) ways" to spare her the disappointment to find out that they were in fact much "worse than us"?!
He figured it would be better to kill her than to rob her of the last shred of faith she got left after Prometheus. Spiritual peace over physical health.
Shaw could have got more survival supplies and tools from the all-terrain vehicle that conveyed Weyland to his meeting with the Engineer.
Awesome to see the practical Alien!
Quote from: Enoch on Apr 26, 2017, 10:37:13 PM
Quote from: Omegamorph on Apr 26, 2017, 10:35:51 PM
Quote from: XENOMORPHOSIS on Apr 26, 2017, 10:32:02 PM
The Xenomorph in all its glory behind the scenes http://www.scified.com/u/animatronic-alien-alien-covenant.png
What video is this from?
Upcoming HBO featurette.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7leJSQrkrRE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7leJSQrkrRE)
Thanks! :)
Alien Awakening: Give us David wandering the ship and learning the way of the engineer!
Quote from: M_Tak on Apr 26, 2017, 10:33:20 PM
Quote from: echobbase79 on Apr 26, 2017, 10:24:05 PM
Quote from: M_Tak on Apr 26, 2017, 10:18:40 PM
This is the footage I mentioned a few days back that I saw earlier this year. But it's been cut differently to how it was incorporated into the film than I saw.
How was it cut the way you saw it?
Spoiler
In a discussion between Walter and David (discussing how he "loved" her) and then it goes into a flashback, but small shots like Shaw looking out of the window weren't in it. And some of the CG in the ship wasn't finished
Thanks man. Sounds like the version you saw was much better.
Quote from: Predaker on Apr 26, 2017, 10:51:30 PM
Alien Awakening: Give us David wandering the ship and learning the way of the engineer!
i assume the alien covenant prequel book will cover that.
I'm actually really happy they released this. We're all seasoned viewers in this day and age. No need to play overly coy about about what happened in between films. Better to at least touch on it.
Given the style of the bombing sequence, and the use of voice-overs, I figured they wouldn't use the footage in the film, directly. I'm glad they didn't.
Quote from: theDecline84 on Apr 26, 2017, 10:53:38 PM
Quote from: Predaker on Apr 26, 2017, 10:51:30 PM
Alien Awakening: Give us David wandering the ship and learning the way of the engineer!
i assume the alien covenant prequel book will cover that.
Most people think Awakening is going to be a movie, but I think this is just the prequel novel from Alan Dean Foster.
The bombing sequence will be in the movie, no doubt.
Wait, this is going to be in the film, right? In the conversation between David and Walter...?
Was worried in the theatre they'd show the entire Engineer city sequence. This has hyped me up even more. Fantastic CGI regarding the city/ships.
Quote from: Evanus on Apr 26, 2017, 11:24:53 PM
Wait, this is going to be in the film, right? In the conversation between David and Walter...?
Nope.
How do you know?
Quote from: Evanus on Apr 26, 2017, 11:24:53 PM
Wait, this is going to be in the film, right? In the conversation between David and Walter...?
Some people doubt that the Shaw/David parts are in the film.
Ridley said its a piece from the beginning of Covenant.
The Shaw/David parts look a little viral marketing to me (the set, the directing, overall look etc.).
Quote from: Evanus on Apr 26, 2017, 11:28:02 PM
How do you know?
http://bloody-disgusting.com/movie/3434294/another-alien-covenant-short-film/ (http://bloody-disgusting.com/movie/3434294/another-alien-covenant-short-film/)
Quote from: Pvt. Himmel on Apr 26, 2017, 11:26:44 PM
Quote from: Evanus on Apr 26, 2017, 11:24:53 PM
Wait, this is going to be in the film, right? In the conversation between David and Walter...?
Nope.
Is it official the Shaw flashbacks are excluded?
Quote from: Pvt. Himmel on Apr 26, 2017, 11:29:04 PM
Quote from: Evanus on Apr 26, 2017, 11:28:02 PM
How do you know?
http://bloody-disgusting.com/movie/3434294/another-alien-covenant-short-film/ (http://bloody-disgusting.com/movie/3434294/another-alien-covenant-short-film/)
That would involve the bombing sequence parts though. I highly doubt that.
Quote from: Citadel on Apr 26, 2017, 11:30:00 PM
Quote from: Pvt. Himmel on Apr 26, 2017, 11:26:44 PM
Quote from: Evanus on Apr 26, 2017, 11:24:53 PM
Wait, this is going to be in the film, right? In the conversation between David and Walter...?
Nope.
Is it official the Shaw flashbacks are excluded?
Its on the front page of this site... Bloodydisgusting.com confirmed with FOX!!
Quote from: kwisatz on Apr 26, 2017, 11:30:53 PM
Quote from: Pvt. Himmel on Apr 26, 2017, 11:29:04 PM
Quote from: Evanus on Apr 26, 2017, 11:28:02 PM
How do you know?
http://bloody-disgusting.com/movie/3434294/another-alien-covenant-short-film/ (http://bloody-disgusting.com/movie/3434294/another-alien-covenant-short-film/)
That would involve the bombing sequence parts though. I highly doubt that.
Yeah, exactly. Unless they just cut out the rest and only show the bombing part. Which would be disappointing, I think.
That sucks, but I do remember hearing rumors that those might be cut out. Maybe the dvd/bluray release will show them in their entirety.
In the original alien, the idea behind the Space Jockey was that it was both the pilot and crew, grown-out-of and integrated into the ship's systems, not some bald guy in a chair. It suggested a race so different from us that their technology blurred the line between organism and machine. A race so advanced that something as basic as chair is obsolete to them. Now, Ridley Scott has changed it so that the engineers are just unimaginative looking bald white guys in cloth who live in very human/greek looking civilization. Part of what made the first movie so great had as much to do with the artists and writers as it did with Ridley himself. Without them, he is going to ruin this franchise.
Maybe they asked FOX if the Shaw/David parts were in the film and FOX said no. But they continue to show the whole clip in their article and so get everyone confused.
When I originally saw this clip it was part of the film. They must've changed their minds since.
Quote from: M_Tak on Apr 26, 2017, 11:38:48 PM
When I originally saw this clip it was part of the film. They must've changed their minds since.
I wonder if then the Shaw/David parts actually were directed by Ridley. But the sets do look a little bit cheap though imo hm.
This looks great! Cool to actually see some of this stuff in motion.
Not sure if covered:
How does everyone feel about the Engineer chants/cheers as the juggernaut descends? Not something I was expecting.
May be David altered the destination to another world which supposed to be destroyed as well by the Engineers in their original plan and attempted to launch the black goo attack. His ship was attacked and damamges as a response from the world, and he has been stuck there till covenent reaches there. Now he wants the ship covenent to complete his beloved Shaw to reach Engineers actual home world.
Awesome is putting it lightly.
Plus David's statement about learning of their ways... he's probably going to be an anti-hero in the series.
Just saw the preview scenes as part of Alien Day superticket in the UK. Including the spineburster scene.
It was really, really horrifying. I can't remember the last time a scene got under my skin like that. I'm still wary, but optimistic.
Quote from: whiterabbit on Apr 27, 2017, 12:00:50 AM
Awesome is putting it lightly.
Plus David's statement about learning of their ways... he's probably going to be an anti-hero in the series.
Clearly he doesn't approve of their ways, and I hope the specifics of that come out in the film. I'm starting to think that it's what David learns about the Engineers is what makes him decide to goo bomb them. Initially, I thought he might have had it planned all along.
An interesting twist would be if David creates the Xeno as a weapons against Engineers to save Earth humans. I find it hard to believe that this city contains the last group of Engineers in the whole galaxy. Intelligent space faring civilization would not put all their eggs in one basket. David would have a good idea if more are out there.
Obviously innocent people are going to die, but maybe his mind justifies the losses.
"Some must be sacrificed if all are to be saved" G'Kar
Is there a thread for the two Covenant scenes that we got showed after the UK Prometheus and Alien cinema showings?
Quote from: Jacku on Apr 27, 2017, 12:39:01 AM
Is there a thread for the two Covenant scenes that we got showed after the UK Prometheus and Alien cinema showings?
I don't believe so.
Quote from: Mustangjeff on Apr 27, 2017, 12:28:59 AM
Quote from: whiterabbit on Apr 27, 2017, 12:00:50 AM
Awesome is putting it lightly.
Plus David's statement about learning of their ways... he's probably going to be an anti-hero in the series.
Clearly he doesn't approve of their ways, and I hope the specifics of that come out in the film. I'm starting to think that it's what David learns about the Engineers is what makes him decide to goo bomb them. Initially, I thought he might have had it planned all along.
An interesting twist would be if David creates the Xeno as a weapons against Engineers to save Earth humans. I find it hard to believe that this city contains the last group of Engineers in the whole galaxy. Intelligent space faring civilization would not put all their eggs in one basket. David would have a good idea if more are out there.
Obviously innocent people are going to die, but maybe his mind justifies the losses.
"Some must be sacrificed if all are to be saved" G'Kar
Well there is no reason to not think that David and Shaw already visited the true engineer home world first. Remember Ridley's "Awaking" comment about it being a prequel to covenant. The engineers may have killed Shaw and thus David decides to exterminate all humans from the galaxy out of blinding hatred. Which like Prometheus punishment is a bit of an over reaction. :P
Also the Alien was designed as a weapon that the engineers created, as per Ridley Scott. Also that the engineers aren't the ones that created humans. However the Alien we see could be how an android who's built in the image of man really feels on the inside.
I see it playing as the Alien created humans(engineers) and the covenant was to be host for them, until they turned on them. Meaning there must be some truly fearful being in the galaxy we haven't seen yet.
I want to see the version of the movie where David just wakes up Shaw after bombing the engineers and explains the why of it. Then she just mopes around for 2 hours drinking tea and wondering if he is right while learning about how terrible the Engineers culture truly is for herself.
Seriously, I would kinda like the see the Moon/Solaris version of this film more than the one we are actually getting.
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I want to see the version of the movie where David just wakes up Shaw after bombing the engineers and explains the why of it. Then she just mopes around for 2 hours drinking tea and wondering if he is right while learning about how terrible the Engineers culture truly is for herself.
Seriously, I would kinda like the see the Moon/Solaris version of this film more than the one we are actually getting.
And SUBTITLES
I registered just to voice my frustration with the release of this video
This Shaw video is a total waste. Just like Weylands speech was a total waste. My point is.....that scenes like this & Weylands speech should be in the actual movie. I don't understand why Ridley cuts major scenes like this out of the movie & forces us to look up some random youtube video that should have been in the movie in the first place. Think back to Prometheus. All the deleted scenes were major scenes, that should have been in the movie in the first place.If they were, the movie would have been much better & gotten much higher reviews. Now I'm forced to wait on a full directors cut, with all the good scenes included in the movie. I'm begging Ridley Scott. please leave this social media stuff alone & give us a full film. Litterally all these good clips need to be in the MOVIE, not youtube ::)
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I want to see the version of the movie where David just wakes up Shaw after bombing the engineers and explains the why of it. Then she just mopes around for 2 hours drinking tea and wondering if he is right while learning about how terrible the Engineers culture truly is for herself.
Seriously, I would kinda like the see the Moon/Solaris version of this film more than the one we are actually getting.
And SUBTITLES
Totally. Rapace only speaks in Swedish and in Engineer as she is slowly learning their language. David speaks in whatever the f**k he feels like cause he's a f**king robot.
Quote from: HELGHAST SHOCK TROOPER on Apr 27, 2017, 01:35:43 AM
I registered just to voice my frustration with the release of this video
This Shaw video is a total waste. Just like Weylands speech was a total waste. My point is.....that scenes like this & Weylands speech should be in the actual movie. I don't understand why Ridley cuts major scenes like this out of the movie & forces us to look up some random youtube video that should have been in the movie in the first place. Think back to Prometheus. All the deleted scenes were major scenes, that should have been in the movie in the first place.If they were, the movie would have been much better & gotten much higher reviews. Now I'm forced to wait on a full directors cut, with all the good scenes included in the movie. I'm begging Ridley Scott. please leave this social media stuff alone & give us a full film. Litterally all these good clips need to be in the MOVIE, not youtube ::)
I agree that the original Prometheus intro should have been used, with the Engineers. It would parallel Covenant a little better. I also prefer the CGI Fifield-xeno hybrid scene, though it needed more work. Everything else worked out just fine. Having the Weyland TED speech jammed in there wouldn't make the film any better, and it was shot as promo material for the reason that including such a scene would mess with the pacing. I can't even think of one moment in the film that the speech might compliment the movie.
I'm still optimistic regarding the David/Shaw scenes being included somehow in Covenant.
does anybody know if this will be in the movie? if it is, i wont watch it
Quote from: D88M on Apr 27, 2017, 01:43:05 AM
does anybody know if this will be in the movie? if it is, i wont watch it
The bombing, yes. David/Shaw apparently not. I'm remaining open minded.
I want to see more of Shaw now. Hope that isn't all there is.
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Quote from: HELGHAST SHOCK TROOPER on Apr 27, 2017, 01:35:43 AM
I registered just to voice my frustration with the release of this video
This Shaw video is a total waste. Just like Weylands speech was a total waste. My point is.....that scenes like this & Weylands speech should be in the actual movie. I don't understand why Ridley cuts major scenes like this out of the movie & forces us to look up some random youtube video that should have been in the movie in the first place. Think back to Prometheus. All the deleted scenes were major scenes, that should have been in the movie in the first place.If they were, the movie would have been much better & gotten much higher reviews. Now I'm forced to wait on a full directors cut, with all the good scenes included in the movie. I'm begging Ridley Scott. please leave this social media stuff alone & give us a full film. Litterally all these good clips need to be in the MOVIE, not youtube ::)
I agree that the original Prometheus intro should have been used, with the Engineers. It would parallel Covenant a little better. I also prefer the CGI Fifield-xeno hybrid scene, though it needed more work. Everything else worked out just fine. Having the Weyland TED speech jammed in there wouldn't make the film any better, and it was shot as promo material for the reason that including such a scene would mess with the pacing. I can't even think of one moment in the film that the speech might compliment the movie.
I'm still optimistic regarding the David/Shaw scenes being included somehow in Covenant.
Yes, I think the CGI Fifield was much scarier & creepy. I think the most important deleted scene was Idris elba's discussion about why he thought the Boneship was a weapon. It explained why they would risk their lives to destroy the Boneship. In the final release, they seemed to just suddenly decide to destroy the Boneship out of knowhere.
Not to distract from the threat topic , but this was a fan video made with the Weyland speech & all the other promo videos edited into the beginning of prometheus.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHUhjTo16i8
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I want to see the version of the movie where David just wakes up Shaw after bombing the engineers and explains the why of it. Then she just mopes around for 2 hours drinking tea and wondering if he is right while learning about how terrible the Engineers culture truly is for herself.
Seriously, I would kinda like the see the Moon/Solaris version of this film more than the one we are actually getting.
And SUBTITLES
Totally. Rapace only speaks in Swedish and in Engineer as she is slowly learning their language. David speaks in whatever the f**k be feels like cause he's a f**king robot.
:D
200 Million Art-house piece, all sequences that did contain CGI got cut out, opening scene is 49 min of David wandering on the Juggernaut alone, in silence, uncut. I would kill to see this!
I think the deleted scene with Janek and Vickers re: the weapons facility is good, but I also think it's a bit redundant of the often-overlooked scene in the final cut with Janek and Shaw where he talks about the same things. To me that is enough motive for what comes next.
Quote from: kwisatz on Apr 27, 2017, 01:54:54 AM
Quote from: fiveways on Apr 27, 2017, 01:36:07 AM
Quote from: kwisatz on Apr 27, 2017, 01:23:32 AM
Quote from: fiveways on Apr 27, 2017, 01:10:36 AM
I want to see the version of the movie where David just wakes up Shaw after bombing the engineers and explains the why of it. Then she just mopes around for 2 hours drinking tea and wondering if he is right while learning about how terrible the Engineers culture truly is for herself.
Seriously, I would kinda like the see the Moon/Solaris version of this film more than the one we are actually getting.
And SUBTITLES
Totally. Rapace only speaks in Swedish and in Engineer as she is slowly learning their language. David speaks in whatever the f**k be feels like cause he's a f**king robot.
:D
200 Million Art-house piece, all sequences that did contain CGI got cut out, opening scene is 49 min of David wandering on the Juggernaut alone, in silence, uncut. I would kill to see this!
Then a dialog scene scene followed by 35 minutes of Shaw looking out a window into space, sipping tea. Running time is 4hours 26 minutes.
Seriously I need this movie in my life.
Quote from: HELGHAST SHOCK TROOPER on Apr 27, 2017, 01:53:52 AM
Quote from: Citadel on Apr 27, 2017, 01:42:17 AM
Quote from: HELGHAST SHOCK TROOPER on Apr 27, 2017, 01:35:43 AM
I registered just to voice my frustration with the release of this video
This Shaw video is a total waste. Just like Weylands speech was a total waste. My point is.....that scenes like this & Weylands speech should be in the actual movie. I don't understand why Ridley cuts major scenes like this out of the movie & forces us to look up some random youtube video that should have been in the movie in the first place. Think back to Prometheus. All the deleted scenes were major scenes, that should have been in the movie in the first place.If they were, the movie would have been much better & gotten much higher reviews. Now I'm forced to wait on a full directors cut, with all the good scenes included in the movie. I'm begging Ridley Scott. please leave this social media stuff alone & give us a full film. Litterally all these good clips need to be in the MOVIE, not youtube ::)
I agree that the original Prometheus intro should have been used, with the Engineers. It would parallel Covenant a little better. I also prefer the CGI Fifield-xeno hybrid scene, though it needed more work. Everything else worked out just fine. Having the Weyland TED speech jammed in there wouldn't make the film any better, and it was shot as promo material for the reason that including such a scene would mess with the pacing. I can't even think of one moment in the film that the speech might compliment the movie.
I'm still optimistic regarding the David/Shaw scenes being included somehow in Covenant.
Yes, I think the CGI Fifield was much scarier & creepy. I think the most important deleted scene was Idris elba's discussion about why he thought the Boneship was a weapon. It explained why they would risk their lives to destroy the Boneship. In the final release, they seemed to just suddenly decide to destroy the Boneship out of knowhere.
Janek's questioning over the ship leaving has always annoyed me. He was shown the cargo hold, why did he question the decision to stop the ship returning to Earth? Its motive was clear. "This is not a war ship", he said. ???
I really dislike his character. Along with quite a few characters and decisions in Prometheus, really. The sacrifice was fine, but yes, it needed something else in there. Maybe not another scene talking about the same thing, but more build-up.
For all the love I indulge in Prometheus, there's a lot I'd love to change.
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Apr 27, 2017, 01:59:41 AM
I think the deleted scene with Janek and Vickers re: the weapons facility is good, but I also think it's a bit redundant of the often-overlooked scene in the final cut with Janek and Shaw where he talks about the same things. To me that is enough motive for what comes next.
How'd he figure that out though? All I can think of is plot convenience.
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And SUBTITLES
Totally. Rapace only speaks in Swedish and in Engineer as she is slowly learning their language. David speaks in whatever the f**k he feels like cause he's a f**king robot.
David's miraculous robotic power of understanding everything is about as realistic as the Boneships Star Trek Enterprise like arrival on Paradise in this video. Literally every Movie spaceship in in Hollywood uses that warp drive stuff. Literally ignoring all the laws of physics lol. But hey, it is what it is. At least the Covenant is not warping in. I look forward to a long scene where they are strapped into their seats & the captian is pressing all kinds of buttons & pulling levers like Ripleys last "disable self destruct" scene in Alien.
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Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Apr 27, 2017, 01:59:41 AM
I think the deleted scene with Janek and Vickers re: the weapons facility is good, but I also think it's a bit redundant of the often-overlooked scene in the final cut with Janek and Shaw where he talks about the same things. To me that is enough motive for what comes next.
How'd he figure that out though? All I can think of is plot convenience.
I never thought so when I first saw the film. Judging by what they'd seen in the holograms, the storage in the juggernaut and the temple, the monsters and the virus that had mutated several people by then, etc. I thought a military man like Janek could come to a reasonable conclusion.
Yeah, he did spend most of the film studying the hologram of the ship. So I can buy that.
Good point about Janek. He felt un easy the whole film, like he knew something was wrong.
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Quote from: kwisatz on Apr 27, 2017, 01:54:54 AM
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Quote from: fiveways on Apr 27, 2017, 01:10:36 AM
I want to see the version of the movie where David just wakes up Shaw after bombing the engineers and explains the why of it. Then she just mopes around for 2 hours drinking tea and wondering if he is right while learning about how terrible the Engineers culture truly is for herself.
Seriously, I would kinda like the see the Moon/Solaris version of this film more than the one we are actually getting.
And SUBTITLES
Totally. Rapace only speaks in Swedish and in Engineer as she is slowly learning their language. David speaks in whatever the f**k be feels like cause he's a f**king robot.
:D
200 Million Art-house piece, all sequences that did contain CGI got cut out, opening scene is 49 min of David wandering on the Juggernaut alone, in silence, uncut. I would kill to see this!
Then a dialog scene scene followed by 35 minutes of Shaw looking out a window into space, sipping tea. Running time is 4hours 26 minutes.
Seriously I need this movie in my life.
This needs to be Alien: Awakening
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Quote from: fiveways on Apr 27, 2017, 01:10:36 AM
I want to see the version of the movie where David just wakes up Shaw after bombing the engineers and explains the why of it. Then she just mopes around for 2 hours drinking tea and wondering if he is right while learning about how terrible the Engineers culture truly is for herself.
Seriously, I would kinda like the see the Moon/Solaris version of this film more than the one we are actually getting.
And SUBTITLES
Totally. Rapace only speaks in Swedish and in Engineer as she is slowly learning their language. David speaks in whatever the f**k be feels like cause he's a f**king robot.
:D
200 Million Art-house piece, all sequences that did contain CGI got cut out, opening scene is 49 min of David wandering on the Juggernaut alone, in silence, uncut. I would kill to see this!
Then a dialog scene scene followed by 35 minutes of Shaw looking out a window into space, sipping tea. Running time is 4hours 26 minutes.
Seriously I need this movie in my life.
This needs to be Alien: Awakening
Sounds more like "Alien: A Space Odyssey"
I can't tell if people are being sarcastic or not, but I'd love to see an Alien movie with David and Shaw in a 2001 style film as well. The events between Prometheus and Covenant just scream for that type of movie. Also, with David putting Shaw into cryo, doesn't it seem like Alien: Awakening could allude to Shaw's literal awakening? I haven't read much for spoilers so I'm not as well versed as some of you guys on the direction this is taking.
so, the bombing scene will be in the movie, but the David/Shaw parts no? that doesnt make any sense, we need to know what happened between Prometheus and Covenant, IN the movie
What about the Deacon?
I think you guys are forgetting something. If Shaw spends all this time putting David back together & studying the boneship, then where is the deacon? Does the Deacon find a way to get on board the ship? Could the Deacon be the cause of Paradise's demise? While everybody is focused on the other two Xenomorphs, we are forgetting about the Deacon. I wonder if it will become the real bad guy in Covenant. Forget those other two Xenos, we ain't seen nothin yet. :)
It's fun to see everybody jumping to conclusions about bombing. We still don't know how the Boneship is in this city, yet in other trailers, it is crash landed in the middle of the woods. How does it get their? Is it the same ship? We wont know till we see the movie.
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What about the Deacon?
I think you guys are forgetting something. If Shaw spends all this time putting David back together & studding the boneship, then where is the deacon? Does the Deacon find a way to get on board the ship? Could the Deacon be the cause of Paradise's demise? While everybody is focused on the other two Xenomorphs, we are forgetting about the Deacon. I wonder if it will become the real bad guy in Covenant. Forget those other two Xenos, we ain't seen nothin yet. :)
I'd love to see/learn more about the deacon. I'm guessing dialogue in the movie will explain more.
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What about the Deacon?
I think you guys are forgetting something. If Shaw spends all this time putting David back together & studding the boneship, then where is the deacon? Does the Deacon find a way to get on board the ship? Could the Deacon be the cause of Paradise's demise? While everybody is focused on the other two Xenomorphs, we are forgetting about the Deacon. I wonder if it will become the real bad guy in Covenant. Forget those other two Xenos, we ain't seen nothin yet. :)
I'd love to see/learn more about the deacon. I'm guessing dialogue in the movie will explain more.
Think about it...
The goo from Prometheus is what created the Trilobite. the Trilobite infected the engineer. Which gave birth to the Deacon. A deacon like creature is probably what the engineers were running away from in the hologram.
In Covenant, the Deacon find a way on board the boneship & ends up attacking paradise, somehow something goes wrong & Paradise is destroyed. If the deacon is intelligent, fr all we know it could end up being the real Space Jockey. As for the Queen, I'm guessing Shaw is somehow mutated into the queen. Something had to lay the eggs.
The same queen that is in Covenant could be the same Queen in Alien & Aliens.
Quote from: newagescamartist on Apr 27, 2017, 02:25:24 AM
I can't tell if people are being sarcastic or not, but I'd love to see an Alien movie with David and Shaw in a 2001 style film as well.
It's partly sarcasm (though I love the original
Solaris), but I definitely was hoping for more of a mix of
Blade Runner or
2001's headtrip philosophy, cosmic scale and transhumanism with
Covenant's body horror and scares. I felt following the jockeys/Engineers to their world and exploring that would allow Ridley to get his space epic and horror show on without infringing on
Alien's turf or repeating old territory. The story leading out from
Prometheus gave the franchise a new larger scope and meta-structure which would've allowed them to tell weirder and less hidebound stories while also still doing
Alien movies any time they wanted.
But here we are. And no, I think this movie is it for Shaw. I also think the Deacon ended up being some last minute thing in the final iteration of
Prometheus; I don't think we'll ever see it again onscreen.
Quote from: HELGHAST SHOCK TROOPER on Apr 27, 2017, 02:35:27 AM
t's fun to see everybody jumping to conclusions about bombing. We still don't know how the Boneship is in this city, yet in other trailers, it is crash landed in the middle of the woods. How does it get their? Is it the same ship? We wont know till we see the movie.
David apparently says it crashed, but we don't know that for sure. It looks like it landed to me; I think he may be lying to sell a story of his being a poor castaway lost in space. There is a potential basis for this - for years fans thought the derelict on LV-426 crashed, but in recent years Ridley has said it 'landed' or made an emergency landing.
Weyland Yutani probably sees everything David is seeing. & probably downloaded orders to David to make him sabotage the mission. Don't forget, that David is just a robot, build for a purpose. It would be crazy if the Corporation sent a robot like David all the way out into uncharted space without a way to send & receive transmissions from him.
It's like your Android phone. Google can activate your camera & see everything you do.
Quote from: newagescamartist on Apr 27, 2017, 02:25:24 AM
I can't tell if people are being sarcastic or not, but I'd love to see an Alien movie with David and Shaw in a 2001 style film as well. The events between Prometheus and Covenant just scream for that type of movie. Also, with David putting Shaw into cryo, doesn't it seem like Alien: Awakening could allude to Shaw's literal awakening? I haven't read much for spoilers so I'm not as well versed as some of you guys on the direction this is taking.
Partly jokes. I'm actually completely serious about my first post. I'd rather see that movie than Covenant. I think my inner gore hound is dead. I'd rather see a sad, contemplative alien film.
At this point I legitimately would not be surprised if a future film in Ridley's new saga reveals that David opens covert lines of communication with people inside Weyland-Yutani from his new home in deep space, or sends out a trail of breadcrumbs, and that's what puts them on track to make Nostromo touch down on LV-426 and enact Special Order 937. There was a reason they put Ash on the ship out of Thedus - they knew something was there.
I am not advocating this story development, I think it's too much. But at this point nothing would surprise me in terms of literal prequelization.
I don't have a problem with a paint by numbers approach honestly. That said, what's David's motivation to be in cahoots with WT or does he have a choice?
Personal suspicion? He knows what the Company would make of his findings/creations, knows they would seek it out (just as Weyland and Project: Prometheus sought the gods) and wants to lure humanity in so he can annihilate them with the alien. David is behind it all!
And yes, I think that is exactly the scope Ridley is going for here in future. He loves Fassbender and the David character - David is his central axis for the future, these new movies are David's odyssey. I love David too, but I think this is the wrong use of him and the story.
I liked seeing Shaw, again. Makes me wonder if David waits until after he's killed everyone to wake her up and say they were already dead?
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Quote from: Jarac on Apr 27, 2017, 04:04:12 AM
I liked seeing Shaw, again. Makes me wonder if David waits until after he's killed everyone to wake her up and say they were already dead?
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I know it's unlikely but I have this nagging doubt this isn't the Engineers homeworld. It's a seeded plant David/Shaw arrives at either before/after "Paradise." I mean, the prologue for Covenant can be interpreted as ambiguous as the beginning of Prometheus.
Quote from: HELGHAST SHOCK TROOPER on Apr 27, 2017, 02:35:27 AM
What about the Deacon?
I think you guys are forgetting something. If Shaw spends all this time putting David back together & studying the boneship, then where is the deacon? Does the Deacon find a way to get on board the ship? Could the Deacon be the cause of Paradise's demise? While everybody is focused on the other two Xenomorphs, we are forgetting about the Deacon. I wonder if it will become the real bad guy in Covenant. Forget those other two Xenos, we ain't seen nothin yet. :)
It's fun to see everybody jumping to conclusions about bombing. We still don't know how the Boneship is in this city, yet in other trailers, it is crash landed in the middle of the woods. How does it get their? Is it the same ship? We wont know till we see the movie.
Deacon still on LV-223 and became an organic mountain in fire and stone comics.
http://avp.wikia.com/wiki/Deacon
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FBseLoM1.jpg&hash=916f60858fe26879dba047b00bb5d814561d039e)
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XeMVrnYNwus (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XeMVrnYNwus)
This is quite impresive and gives me faith in the film. :o
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Awesome is putting it lightly.
Plus David's statement about learning of their ways... he's probably going to be an anti-hero in the series.
Clearly he doesn't approve of their ways, and I hope the specifics of that come out in the film. I'm starting to think that it's what David learns about the Engineers is what makes him decide to goo bomb them. Initially, I thought he might have had it planned all along.
An interesting twist would be if David creates the Xeno as a weapons against Engineers to save Earth humans. I find it hard to believe that this city contains the last group of Engineers in the whole galaxy. Intelligent space faring civilization would not put all their eggs in one basket. David would have a good idea if more are out there.
Obviously innocent people are going to die, but maybe his mind justifies the losses.
"Some must be sacrificed if all are to be saved" G'Kar
Well there is no reason to not think that David and Shaw already visited the true engineer home world first. Remember Ridley's "Awaking" comment about it being a prequel to covenant. The engineers may have killed Shaw and thus David decides to exterminate all humans from the galaxy out of blinding hatred. Which like Prometheus punishment is a bit of an over reaction. :P
Also the Alien was designed as a weapon that the engineers created, as per Ridley Scott. Also that the engineers aren't the ones that created humans. However the Alien we see could be how an android who's built in the image of man really feels on the inside.
I see it playing as the Alien created humans(engineers) and the covenant was to be host for them, until they turned on them. Meaning there must be some truly fearful being in the galaxy we haven't seen yet.
I don't think Awakening will be the prequel to Covenant. I think that was just a case of Ridley misspeaking or not being clear. It doesn't make much sense to do Covenant as a sequel to Prometheus. and then have the next film as a prequel to Covenant. At least in my head it doesn't. Why wouldn't he have just had this movie be Awakening and the next movie Covenant? :) At least to me it doesn't
Can you imaging the advirts?
From the director of ALIEN, The Martian, and Gladiator.. The prequel to the sequel of Prometheus... Alien Awakening...
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Quote from: Jarac on Apr 27, 2017, 04:04:12 AM
I liked seeing Shaw, again. Makes me wonder if David waits until after he's killed everyone to wake her up and say they were already dead?
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I know it's unlikely but I have this nagging doubt this isn't the Engineers homeworld. It's a seeded plant David/Shaw arrives at either before/after "Paradise." I mean, the prologue for Covenant can be interpreted as ambiguous as the beginning of Prometheus.
I can see that. From what we've seen of this planet, so-far, it doesn't seem to be high tech enough to be the Engineer's true homeworld.
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"Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair!'
David's out on a mission to undo what the Engineers have done. Paradise is just another seeded planet like Earth, except they haven't grown out of the petri dish... I bet!
It might explain why the Engineer went slightly berserk when he finds their errant creations turning up on his doorstep not only exceeding their limitations but also creating life of their own in A.I and David.
Also, Scott has said "if you think it's them [the Engineers], you're dead wrong" referring to the origin of the alien creatures apparently.
The Engineers are in the same position as humans, there is something above them and they're just the first rung in the ladder.
I like this though, it's the Crusoe/Friday thing I'd imagine Shaw and David would have to go through being stuck together. I hope Shaw is still asleep.
Is there a chance the first part was filmed at the end of Prometheus filming and the better lighting and effects at the end were filmed/produced during covenant filming?
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I wonder if that's actually what happened...or David's "version" of events. I think there could be a horrific twist here. David has a touch of the Norman Bates about him; Narcissistic. Delusional. One cable short of reattachment ;)
Also, I wonder how secure the head is? They surely didn't have the right tools at hand, just enough to make him functional.
Did Shaw eat Engineer provisions? Was there access to clean water? Where was the bathroom?
My assumption is they raided stores and provisions leftover from the wreckage of Prometheus and Vickers' suite before leaving LV-223. Clothes, food, etc. needed for Shaw. Although I'd not be shocked if the tech onboard the juggernaut could fabricate any number of provisions.
Quote from: fernandito on Apr 26, 2017, 09:06:27 PM
One thing is clear now. Shaw manages to scape cryo after that Derelict ship crashes in the woods
How is that clear?
Quote from: cliffhanger on Apr 26, 2017, 09:06:05 PM
this will definately be in it's fullest in the movie, it's mentioned that the scene with the vase dropping is in the middle of the movie.
The drop is. The material with Shaw and David before arriving at the Engineers' world allegedly is not.
Quotes this planet their homeplanet or is it actually a destination of the juggernaut they left lv-223 with, like the other juggernaut was supposed to go to earth?
They have said in advance press, at the end of Prometheus and now in this featurette that David and Shaw went to the Engineers' homeworld. David explicitly says that he and Shaw worked together to find the homeworld and set course for it.
Would they have really returned to the ship, with Shaw not knowing the full grown trilobite may still be active? And if so, would they not have encountered the Deacon?
It's kind of tragic that Shaw trusts David, especially as he engineered her partners mutation. It would be a great dramatic moment if she were to find this out somehow.
So, either something happens to Elizabeth that really upsets David, or he discovers something that he really doesn't like about the engineers while she's asleep... as he seems to be in something of a bad mood when he arrives.
I suspect that he found out something about their history.
...that the Engineers didn't like Lawrence of Arabia.
Quote from: Predaker on Apr 26, 2017, 09:40:50 PM
This just might turn out to be the best Alien film since 1992
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Somethings to notice from the vid though.
Shaw is not sick at all. Depressed, sure. Somehow David comforts her. Also we see indeed David learning to 'love' her, having a deep affection for her.
When she's put back to sleep in the hypersleep chamber, she's wearing a robe/sleeping bag that's exactly the same texture as what the civilians on the destination planet are wearing. interesting.
If i look at the 'cups' and material the 'engineers' have, then i must say i'm curious to see how 'cavemen' like that is compared to the ship. It actually would fit those 'planetgineers' as being tech-free civilization - offcourse, minus the centre with the tech and the flying scorpionaut.
Starting to feel like they haven't designed or invented that black goo at all, or the vases, and they're 'merely' a civilization that encountered the stuff, and the ships from a to them alien civilization and got the best from it.
Something to think about too is that the magazines state they found a way of travelling through 'magnetism' somehow. Cool and interesting, but that's not really what i'm seeing fitting with the derelicts, juggernaut, scorpionaut, dreadnaught. much directions to go with.
As for the part not being in the movie, that's g*y af. what the hell. this belongs in the movie, for real.
Still don't see how it's not going to be in the movie, as the flashback sequence explaining to walter what happened must include how shaw repaired him, so there's shaw. I also have a hard time believing they'd have shaw in this role and then not in the movie. It's a small role enough not to say 'it's not her movie', but theres no sign shaw will only be holographic.
I've not read through all the comments in this post but did anyone notice the dogtags hanging next to shaw? 0:28
The more i'm repeating to look at this video, the more stuff starts to pop up.
I was mistaken to think the scorpionaut shoots the load and acts like a gun. Also, i was mistaken that the opening on the 'right' side of the scorpionaut wiht the long 'snout' on it, was where they'd drop the stuff. very wrong.
as when the juggernaut david is operating docks with the scorpionaut, you can see in the lower part of the juggernaut, that a 'door' opens, EXACTLY the same like the floors in LV-223 and this planet. AND at that moment, you can see the floor opening in the juggernaut, whilst david comes walking in and watches.
you hear the crowd cheering and chanting. you also see behind david the vases loading up and then going to get dropped.
i'm really starting to wonder whether he actually does that himself.
there is a good possibility that he actually is NOT doing that, and it's an automated action from the vessel itself.
it surprises me that the vasedropping happens IMMEDIATELY when they 'arrive'. that doesnt fit with what david and shaw were out for; to seek out their creators. they dont get a chance to talk at all. nothing.
so this makes me only more suspicious that it's going to happen like that, and david isn't doing this at all, but being a mere 'bystander'.
and i don't approve the above being used for our forum dwelling plaguerism playing vultures in their respective hybrid network and scified stuff. if i encounter this in your vids, expect to suffer the consequences.
Quote from: Tonyhartmorph on Apr 27, 2017, 05:56:39 AM
"Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair!'
David's out on a mission to undo what the Engineers have done. Paradise is just another seeded planet like Earth, except they haven't grown out of the petri dish... I bet!
It might explain why the Engineer went slightly berserk when he finds their errant creations turning up on his doorstep not only exceeding their limitations but also creating life of their own in A.I and David.
^ This, definitely this :)
Quote from: LV-12986 on Apr 27, 2017, 08:57:41 AM
I've not read through all the comments in this post but did anyone notice the dogtags hanging next to shaw? 0:28
good spot. immediately destroys the theories that david left it there, or that it confirms her death.
and as stated by someone else here, it's interesting to theorize about the deacon now. Despite the movie showing them taking off, and THEN showing the deacon birth; it seems like they spent a good time before leaving. shaw somehow made herself a drink, put david on a table, attached his head, got into a better 'relationship' with her 'crewmate', managed to 'start' the ship, plot a course - you could see shaw reading space maps (where those come from) and plotting a course- , she was then smiling sitting in the chair plotting a course, and david putting her to sleep as there is no way to know how long the journey would take (in the end can't be superbly long as he still has short hair, whilst when covenant arrives, he has shoulder long hair, so the most time must have been on the planet, not the ship). assuming he put her to sleep when they took off, there must have been substancial time between shaw leaving the lifemodule of vickers, and getting aboard one of the subterrainian juggernauts.
the 'alien' lifeforms clearly grow rapidly. the backburster grows in really fast time. mouthburster probably likewise, and oram surely also gets the xeno out fast. the creature in shaw's uterus grew super fast too, and so did it when it got out. we can thus assume that the 'parasite' inside grows really fast.
the engineer that got smothered by the trilobite was still unconcious when the deacon bursted out, so it can't have been out really long after getting 'impregnated'.
so there definately is possibility the deacon left the life module and went out to follow 'prey'. the concept art work depicted the deacon (resembling a neomorph) walking outside. and we also heared a screech when the prometheus crew first noticed the atmosphere process in the building/pyramid.
and there was a suggestion by ridley that they might have not been alone when leaving the planet, but i'm not taking that so serious.
Not something I normally do, but somehow I was drawn to it ....
If you pause the new clip at about 1:10, 1:11, 1:12, with Shaw sat down in the orrery, she looks decidedly unwell ( to me ), black veins on her neck and her eyes have a different quality, very similar to Holloway in Prometheus.
Or am I seeing something that isn't there?
Quote from: Enoch on Apr 26, 2017, 06:29:22 PM
It seems it will be in cinemas a bit earlier!
P.S. Only the scene at the very end is in the movie. Everything else
is just filmed and edited for promotional uses.
Does anyone know for Certain we are going to see the bombing scene. It cuts right at the moment of the drop so i am preying we do? That's the scene i am most looking forward too. Has to be in the movie based on the significance and cost of the production?
i agree that when she's drinking from the mug, she looks a bit unhealthy. but then, when she operates on david, and sits in the pilot chair, and goes to sleep, she looks absolutely fine.
Quote from: Tonyhartmorph on Apr 27, 2017, 05:56:39 AM
David's out on a mission to undo what the Engineers have done. Paradise is just another seeded planet like Earth, except they haven't grown out of the petri dish... I bet!
He literally calls it their homeworld.
Quote from: Tonyhartmorph on Apr 27, 2017, 06:03:36 AM
Also, Scott has said "if you think it's them [the Engineers], you're dead wrong" referring to the origin of the alien creatures apparently.
He is not talking about the Engineers having someone above them. He means that
Spoiler
David created the alien.
Quote from: cliffhanger on Apr 27, 2017, 09:03:03 AM
so this makes me only more suspicious that it's going to happen like that, and david isn't doing this at all, but being a mere 'bystander'.
Nope. He decides to wipe them out. Hence the Ozymandias quote.
It's not Engineers homeworlds. It's no brainer.
While David and Shaw are flying towards the planet he calls it their homeworld because he thinks it will be it. He's wrong at that time. How could he know? Once he arrives we can see that it cannot be their homeworld because it's too primitive. They're like us. They're Engineers children or product if you prefer. Another seeded planet like Earth. You name it.
Shaw is curiously staring at this (and there doesn't seem much to it).
I am presuming that this is just a light to illuminate the passageway or possibly a window to the outside/stars?
Does this suggest they were already on the move before she went into hypersleep?
Just spit balling....
Quote from: Ingwar on Apr 27, 2017, 09:36:02 AM
It's not Engineers homeworlds. It's no brainer.
Well, the character in the movie calls it the homeworld, the advance press and official materials call it the homeworld, the film crew have called it the homeworld, but yeah, you're right - it's not the homeworld.
You may not like the look of it or of the Engineers and their wardrobe - I'm not crazy about their clothes either - but the fact is it
is the homeworld and those are the Engineers David is wiping out. That is 100% what the film is going to tell you and do. Take it or leave it, them's the facts. You don't have to like it.
Quote from: Hard-R on Apr 27, 2017, 09:40:53 AM
Shaw is curiously staring at this (and there doesn't seem much to it).
I am presuming that this is just a light to illuminate the passageway or possibly a window to the outside/stars?
Does this suggest they were already on the move before she went into hypersleep?
Just spit balling....
She's alone and bored out of her mind.... that is no doubt a *hallway light* lol the ship is very dark in some parts.
Like when david is leaving the pilot/cockpit room? (assume he's found auto-pilot) that room is dark as hell.
Quote from: Hard-R on Apr 27, 2017, 09:40:53 AM
Shaw is curiously staring at this (and there doesn't seem much to it).
I am presuming that this is just a light to illuminate the passageway or possibly a window to the outside/stars?
I think it's just the closest thing she has to a window.
Quote from: echobbase79 on Apr 26, 2017, 09:36:17 PM
Did anybody else think the homeworld would look more Giger-esque? I expected something more bio-mechanical than primitive?
Yeah i wanted some crazy original looking planet.
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Quote from: Predaker on Apr 26, 2017, 09:40:50 PM
This just might turn out to be the best Alien film since 1986.
Im thinking 79
Heresy.
Quote from: prometheusfire08 on Apr 26, 2017, 10:08:12 PM
bloody awesome😏😏😏
the giger aesthetic comes from the blackstuff ......
it would make zero sense for their home world to resemble it in any way
I'm fairly certain the lv223 engineers were starting their own civilisation on that moon with the mural creature being their cornerstone for architecture , technology and even creation itself .
civil war breaks out based on that premise 😉
It would make total sense,wtf you talking about,look how their ships are looking and look how Engineer looked like in Prometheus,his body was full biomechanical Giger style.You really wanted some generic looking planet? some of you exuses are ridiculous.
It was so so lovely to see Giger's original concept art he made for Alien come to life so vividly in this small clip. I have to admit I was leaning more on the skeptical side when it came to expectations for Ridley's expansion on the Alien history, but now I'm a bit more hopeful. Can't wait to see more.
EDIT:
Chilling quote at the end. "Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair." Absolutely loved it.
Quote from: HELGHAST SHOCK TROOPER on Apr 27, 2017, 02:35:27 AM
What about the Deacon?
I think you guys are forgetting something. If Shaw spends all this time putting David back together & studying the boneship, then where is the deacon? Does the Deacon find a way to get on board the ship? Could the Deacon be the cause of Paradise's demise? While everybody is focused on the other two Xenomorphs, we are forgetting about the Deacon. I wonder if it will become the real bad guy in Covenant. Forget those other two Xenos, we ain't seen nothin yet. :)
It's fun to see everybody jumping to conclusions about bombing. We still don't know how the Boneship is in this city, yet in other trailers, it is crash landed in the middle of the woods. How does it get their? Is it the same ship? We wont know till we see the movie.
What about the Deacon? well you watched Prometheus right? he left on the planet while David and Naomi left in Space Jockey ship.Movie will focus on more classic Alien.
Quote from: rabidranger on Apr 26, 2017, 09:02:22 PM
Quote from: Game_Over_Man on Apr 26, 2017, 08:59:31 PM
I wonder if that's actually what happened...or David's "version" of events. I think there could be a horrific twist here. David has a touch of the Norman Bates about him; Narcissistic. Delusional. One cable short of reattachment ;)
Also, I wonder how secure the head is? They surely didn't have the right tools at hand, just enough to make him functional.
Did Shaw eat Engineer provisions? Was there access to clean water? Where was the bathroom?
I didn't think it featured in the final cut, they did announce it as a special presentation from Ridley exclusive for the event.
I'm very excited overall.
The key line in this video is where David said that he was alone again and learned more about their (Engineers). Who knows how much time he had while Shaw was in cryo? I also noticed they appeared to have some human supplies. Cups, maps, etc.
He wouldn't be alone for too long and the journey to the planet not to long either for that matter if the movie is set 10 years after the events of Prometheus.
Let's not forget shaw is still in the process of recovering from a caesarean, plus a few knocks to it after so I'd imagine she might feel/look a bit unwell.
Quote from: LV-12986 on Apr 27, 2017, 11:24:13 AM
Let's not forget shaw is still in the process of recovering from a caesarean, plus a few knocks to it after so I'd imagine she might feel/look a bit unwell.
Good point.
Quote from: LV-12986 on Apr 27, 2017, 11:24:13 AM
Let's not forget shaw is still in the process of recovering from a caesarean, plus a few knocks to it after so I'd imagine she might feel/look a bit unwell.
yet she looks completely fine when operating on david and sitting in a chair and then a hypersleep 'bed' moments later......that must be one hellofa drink she takes then.....
RE - The Deacon Creature.
In the beginning of the Hologram of the Engineers running from something early in Prometheus you can hear the sound of the creature.
Later when the Deacon is shown at the end of the movie, the same sound can be heard.
It's not the Alien sound from Aliens etc.
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Apr 27, 2017, 09:27:39 AM
Nope. He decides to wipe them out. Hence the Ozymandias quote.
it's been suggested it wasn't david but weyland stating that quote.
Picking up on cliffhanger's point, is it possible that the bombing of the planet is automated once it docks with the scorpionaut?
Quote from: rabidranger on Apr 27, 2017, 02:41:23 PM
Picking up on cliffhanger's point, is it possible that the bombing of the planet is automated once it docks with the scorpionaut?
No, as the engineer in Prometheus was heading to earth, there is no scorpionaut on earth.
David no doubt activated the command to launch an attack.
Quote from: cliffhanger on Apr 27, 2017, 02:31:28 PM
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Apr 27, 2017, 09:27:39 AM
Nope. He decides to wipe them out. Hence the Ozymandias quote.
it's been suggested it wasn't david but weyland stating that quote.
Could be Weyland, it doesn't totally sound like David. Probably is though.
Quote from: hfeldhaus on Apr 27, 2017, 02:56:26 PM
Quote from: cliffhanger on Apr 27, 2017, 02:31:28 PM
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Apr 27, 2017, 09:27:39 AM
Nope. He decides to wipe them out. Hence the Ozymandias quote.
it's been suggested it wasn't david but weyland stating that quote.
Could be Weyland, it doesn't totally sound like David. Probably is though.
Either way, the prologue associated it with David eradicating the engineers.
Quote from: Predaker on Apr 27, 2017, 03:18:39 PM
Quote from: hfeldhaus on Apr 27, 2017, 02:56:26 PM
Quote from: cliffhanger on Apr 27, 2017, 02:31:28 PM
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Apr 27, 2017, 09:27:39 AM
Nope. He decides to wipe them out. Hence the Ozymandias quote.
it's been suggested it wasn't david but weyland stating that quote.
Could be Weyland, it doesn't totally sound like David. Probably is though.
Either way, the prologue associated it with David eradicating the engineers.
Yes, David intentionally bombs them. Probably made the decision whilst researching them on the trip there.
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In my opinion, the Engineers should be suspicious about a really old spacecraft moving towards their home unexpectedly. Since this is a military spacecraft, it shouldn't be moving towards their direction without any clearance. Imagine if a forgotten WWI battlecruiser approached the US coast.
Quote from: x-M-x on Apr 27, 2017, 02:42:47 PM
Quote from: rabidranger on Apr 27, 2017, 02:41:23 PM
Picking up on cliffhanger's point, is it possible that the bombing of the planet is automated once it docks with the scorpionaut?
No, as the engineer in Prometheus was heading to earth, there is no scorpionaut on earth.
David no doubt activated the command to launch an attack.
You're probably right but we don't that for sure.
Quote from: x-M-x on Apr 27, 2017, 02:42:47 PM
Quote from: rabidranger on Apr 27, 2017, 02:41:23 PM
Picking up on cliffhanger's point, is it possible that the bombing of the planet is automated once it docks with the scorpionaut?
No, as the engineer in Prometheus was heading to earth, there is no scorpionaut on earth.
David no doubt activated the command to launch an attack.
nonsense. We don't know where the scorpionaut comes from in the planet, nor do we know of the non-existance of such a undiscovered opening somewhere on earth, perhaps in egypt, perhaps in jerusalem, perhaps in the vatican, who knows.
also, nobody knows if the scorpionaut that possibly was on earth has been destroyed millennia ago.
Quote from: rabidranger on Apr 27, 2017, 04:29:28 PM
Quote from: x-M-x on Apr 27, 2017, 02:42:47 PM
Quote from: rabidranger on Apr 27, 2017, 02:41:23 PM
Picking up on cliffhanger's point, is it possible that the bombing of the planet is automated once it docks with the scorpionaut?
No, as the engineer in Prometheus was heading to earth, there is no scorpionaut on earth.
David no doubt activated the command to launch an attack.
You're probably right but we don't that for sure.
Well seeing as one of the engineers killed his *creator* that's like someone killing your father you definitely want revenge.
Quote from: cliffhanger on Apr 27, 2017, 06:26:38 PM
Quote from: x-M-x on Apr 27, 2017, 02:42:47 PM
Quote from: rabidranger on Apr 27, 2017, 02:41:23 PM
Picking up on cliffhanger's point, is it possible that the bombing of the planet is automated once it docks with the scorpionaut?
No, as the engineer in Prometheus was heading to earth, there is no scorpionaut on earth.
David no doubt activated the command to launch an attack.
nonsense. We don't know where the scorpionaut comes from in the planet, nor do we know of the non-existance of such a undiscovered opening somewhere on earth, perhaps in egypt, perhaps in jerusalem, perhaps in the vatican, who knows.
also, nobody knows if the scorpionaut that possibly was on earth has been destroyed millennia ago.
How's it nonsense? there is no *scorp* on earth well defo not in 2093 i'm pretty sure the engineer would be shocked to see how far we have come he'll just arrive open his bay and unleash the black goo vases.
And if there was one on earth? it's been lost/destroyed long time ago.
David didn't seem to like Weyland though. He literally said: ''Doesn't everyone want their parents dead?'' And he seems to dislike Weyland in this clip too. He wanted to be free, and now he is.
Quote from: Evanus on Apr 27, 2017, 06:31:52 PM
David didn't seem to like Weyland though. He literally said: ''Doesn't everyone want their parents dead?'' And he seems to dislike Weyland in this clip too. He wanted to be free, and now he is.
Good Point, totally forgot about that.
So what you think his main reason is? (to show he has power) or just thought *What the hell i'll kill them for the lols?*
Quote from: Shinawi on Apr 27, 2017, 04:05:43 PM
In my opinion, the Engineers should be suspicious about a really old spacecraft moving towards their home unexpectedly. Since this is a military spacecraft, it shouldn't be moving towards their direction without any clearance. Imagine if a forgotten WWI battlecruiser approached the US coast.
Thats applying human thinking to aliens.
Is the robe Shaw's wearing the same one David is wearing later in the movie?
Quote from: x-M-x on Apr 27, 2017, 06:35:00 PM
Quote from: Evanus on Apr 27, 2017, 06:31:52 PM
David didn't seem to like Weyland though. He literally said: ''Doesn't everyone want their parents dead?'' And he seems to dislike Weyland in this clip too. He wanted to be free, and now he is.
Good Point, totally forgot about that.
So what you think his main reason is? (to show he has power) or just thought *What the hell i'll kill them for the lols?*
Honestly, I've got no idea what his reasoning is. I think he had to get rid of them before he could create life on his own, or something like that.
Quote from: Evanus on Apr 27, 2017, 06:54:47 PM
Quote from: x-M-x on Apr 27, 2017, 06:35:00 PM
Quote from: Evanus on Apr 27, 2017, 06:31:52 PM
David didn't seem to like Weyland though. He literally said: ''Doesn't everyone want their parents dead?'' And he seems to dislike Weyland in this clip too. He wanted to be free, and now he is.
Good Point, totally forgot about that.
So what you think his main reason is? (to show he has power) or just thought *What the hell i'll kill them for the lols?*
Honestly, I've got no idea what his reasoning is. I think he had to get rid of them before he could create life on his own, or something like that.
By learning their ways (who knows how long he had to study the Engineers) he seemed to secure enough justification to destroy them. Shoot, his credo of "in order to create you must destroy" might be part of their playbook.
Yep that's certainly a possibility. But I wonder how all of this could relate to his hate for humanity..
Quote from: Hard-R on Apr 27, 2017, 09:40:53 AM
Shaw is curiously staring at this (and there doesn't seem much to it).
I am presuming that this is just a light to illuminate the passageway or possibly a window to the outside/stars?
Does this suggest they were already on the move before she went into hypersleep?
Just spit balling....
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Quote from: hfeldhaus on Apr 27, 2017, 06:48:12 PM
Quote from: Shinawi on Apr 27, 2017, 04:05:43 PM
In my opinion, the Engineers should be suspicious about a really old spacecraft moving towards their home unexpectedly. Since this is a military spacecraft, it shouldn't be moving towards their direction without any clearance. Imagine if a forgotten WWI battlecruiser approached the US coast.
Thats applying human thinking to aliens.
But the Engineers ARE humans
Quote from: Omegamorph on Apr 27, 2017, 07:09:58 PM
Quote from: hfeldhaus on Apr 27, 2017, 06:48:12 PM
Quote from: Shinawi on Apr 27, 2017, 04:05:43 PM
In my opinion, the Engineers should be suspicious about a really old spacecraft moving towards their home unexpectedly. Since this is a military spacecraft, it shouldn't be moving towards their direction without any clearance. Imagine if a forgotten WWI battlecruiser approached the US coast.
Thats applying human thinking to aliens.
But the Engineers ARE humans
same DNA after all.
Quote from: rabidranger on Apr 27, 2017, 06:59:23 PM
Quote from: Evanus on Apr 27, 2017, 06:54:47 PM
Quote from: x-M-x on Apr 27, 2017, 06:35:00 PM
Quote from: Evanus on Apr 27, 2017, 06:31:52 PM
David didn't seem to like Weyland though. He literally said: ''Doesn't everyone want their parents dead?'' And he seems to dislike Weyland in this clip too. He wanted to be free, and now he is.
Good Point, totally forgot about that.
So what you think his main reason is? (to show he has power) or just thought *What the hell i'll kill them for the lols?*
Honestly, I've got no idea what his reasoning is. I think he had to get rid of them before he could create life on his own, or something like that.
By learning their ways (who knows how long he had to study the Engineers) he seemed to secure enough justification to destroy them. Shoot, his credo of "in order to create you must destroy" might be part of their playbook.
hold on though, what possible dark secret of the Engineers beyond the "if you dont stop it, there wont be any home to go back to" would David have learnt though, the Engineers werent exactly given the sympathetic treatmeant in Prometheus, Shaw may well have wanted to set out to the homeworld to discover why they seemed to bear such a grudge, but it sounds more like he learnt their way to manipulate the black goo to create a xenomorph.
and for all the praise of the cgi ship approach, dont you think they pilot it just a bit too close to the mountain range ;)
Quote from: cliffhanger on Apr 27, 2017, 07:20:19 PM
Quote from: Omegamorph on Apr 27, 2017, 07:09:58 PM
Quote from: hfeldhaus on Apr 27, 2017, 06:48:12 PM
Quote from: Shinawi on Apr 27, 2017, 04:05:43 PM
In my opinion, the Engineers should be suspicious about a really old spacecraft moving towards their home unexpectedly. Since this is a military spacecraft, it shouldn't be moving towards their direction without any clearance. Imagine if a forgotten WWI battlecruiser approached the US coast.
Thats applying human thinking to aliens.
But the Engineers ARE humans
same DNA after all.
::)
Earth bound human thinking then.
Quote from: Evanus on Apr 27, 2017, 07:04:10 PM
Yep that's certainly a possibility. But I wonder how all of this could relate to his hate for humanity..
Is it hatred though? He seems to have an air of superiority.
Interresting prologue, with a nice atmosphere, I think.
As for the Engineers, as of now, there are multiple possibilities (I haven't read recent articles).
In an ideal world we coud have a complex scenario : multiple factions, multiple variants of the species, etc. I've a proclivity to like complexity, I admit it, because it's funnier for someone like me, and it feels more real, furthermore. ^^ But in this kind of movie, it's rare to have such a thing (I laugh everytime people say parts about politics in Star Wars I were boring - it was what, ten minutes of the film, and it was a simple matter).
The space-faring Engineers could be a tiny section of their society (the species itself can be as complex as ours) : scientists and astronauts, with a system of caste, or oligarchy, which would explain some elements, I think.
I had a chance to watch it:
There's lots to discuss, including David's deceiving of Shaw and her mysterious fate, as well as David's theft of Promethean Fire and his study of what essentially amounts to forbidden science or occult knowledge, akin to Mary Shelley's Frankenstein, while he is stranded on the alien planet and Shaw is ostensibly out of the picture.
I cannot wait for this film to come out! :)
so i just ran across that concept picture of the xenomorph that weve seen associated with the film, and something hit me regarding some info leaked a while back...
Spoiler
i wonder if the details that were mentioned about concept drawings and the fate of shaw related to the image below...
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the information mentioned something about Shaw being hooked up to some sort of machine and turning all Giger-esque looking... like she was being transformed into something. i wonder if the above image IS Shaw!?!? look at the tubes coming from the back of the xenos head... Also notice that it looks extremely human in its facial appearance?
Quote from: DorkiDori on Apr 28, 2017, 04:45:56 AM
so i just ran across that concept picture of the xenomorph that weve seen associated with the film, and something hit me regarding some info leaked a while back...
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i wonder if the details that were mentioned about concept drawings and the fate of shaw related to the image below...
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the information mentioned something about Shaw being hooked up to some sort of machine and turning all Giger-esque looking... like she was being transformed into something. i wonder if the above image IS Shaw!?!? look at the tubes coming from the back of the xenos head... Also notice that it looks extremely human in its facial appearance?
I agree. That concept art is just simply too good not to be used at all in the film. I doubt they'll give us anything that's less than that when it comes to
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revealing Shaw and what it is David has done to her. Regardless of whether or not she was a willing participant in an experiment. Giving us anything less visually stunning would be a punch to the gut. "Hey, look at what could've been but this is what you got instead."
i still like the idea someone proposed that the engineers technology hurt or killed Shaw and David is retaliating because they actually became friends.
Quote from: DorkiDori on Apr 28, 2017, 07:38:09 AM
i still like the idea someone proposed that the engineers technology hurt or killed Shaw and David is retaliating because they actually became friends.
Yes!!! Wonderful headcanon, if it turns out to be true I'd love to see how it might tie to the original Alien.
Guys, did you all notice something ?
The scene where Shaw is looking out of the window of the space ship ?
As the camera pans towards Shaw, the thingy in between resembles/looks like a Xenomorph !!
Is Ridley insinuating something !!
Quote from: palerider on Apr 28, 2017, 09:06:27 AM
Guys, did you all notice something ?
The scene where Shaw is looking out of the window of the space ship ?
As the camera pans towards Shaw, the thingy in between resembles/looks like a Xenomorph !!
Is Ridley insinuating something !!
Come again? You gotta be a little more specific, 'cause "thingy" doesn't really mean anything. :laugh:
I wonder what David learned to unleash such suffering on the Engineers. Certainly he would have considered that over 2000 years they may have changed, perhaps improved from what they once were, or whatever it was he disapproved of, if he disapproved or even cares. It could all just be another experiment to see what will happen on a global scale.
He may think that what they stumbled on can surpass them, and he wants it all for himself, who knows, maybe the elders/apostle engineers wanted these engineers wiped out.
The question I have is whether the prologue is misleading. It indicated that Shaw would be awoken by David when they got to the Engineer home world in order for them to meet their creators. Is it possible that had already happened by the time we see the bombing scene? In other words, is that actually the Engineer home world?
No. it all happens when david arrives. the question that matters though, is that david mentioned there is 'no way to know' how long it takes for them to reach their home world.
but that doesnt 100% surely means that david set out a course to their homeworld. he might have decided to go and visit the 'closest' seeded planet he stumbled upon on his map investigations - in other words, it may perhaps not be their homeworld at all, and david intends to go there after this visit.
it doesnt sound logical at all and surely is too complicated for the movie, so it's not gonna be like that. just putting possibilities out there.
i think that IF david REALLY is the one responsible for bombing those guys,
then the reason to has been revealed in the prologue; they're not better than us; they're potentially even worse.
david mentioned to shaw about better or worse when she went into hypersleep. so he could very well has discovered they're not friendly at all, perhaps even worse than humans. for example, though i think some are identifyable as females, there is the strong sense that there are no female engineers.
so where are they? are they second-grade citizens ala islamic state style? have they actually done away with women at all? are they savages despite millenia of moral growth possibility yet decidedly not acting up?
David atleast 'learned of their ways' which could include that their ways are seeding a planet with life, letting it evolve, and when life doesn't find it's way it's supposed to go, or if a planet becomes evil/repeats the same mistakes of their ancestors, then they decide they must be terminated ,thus the vases and the docking device to exterminate life, and david simply is contunuing their work, which should have been done 2000 years before.
You could thus argue that the citizens on the planet have been left 'behind' for 2000 years.
Quote from: cliffhanger on Apr 28, 2017, 10:12:50 AM
You could thus argue that the citizens on the planet have been left 'behind' for 2000 years.
But still have working technology that supports a 2000 year old ships arrival... via docking procedures ? :-\
These *engineers* seem devolved but still have older tech circa 2000 years old perhaps?
I'm just curious to know.... is the notion that the black goo creates a destroyer, like the creature depicted in the mural in Prometheus, if used by something that is selfish, self centered or evil, and it creates life if used by something that believes in sacrifice, like the Engineers do, and like how HUMANS ONCE DID (Mayans, etc)....is this not canon or even considered anymore?
I keep hearing about the idea that David created the Aliens...how so? I thought it was the black goo all along...the reason the Gods wanted us destroyed is because we no longer believed in self sacrifice for the creation of everything good, whether it's rain for crops or the end of a plague....with the creation of life being at the top. I thought sacrifice is a big deal to them, and that's why it was also a part of our belief system thousands of years ago...but we got hip to it...but that makes nasty monsters, so we had to get wiped out....we were no longer a species that could be counted on to create more life...we only created monsters because of what we had become. "The atmosphere in the room has changed"-Shaw...yeah because you guys with your dirty little minds and self preservation at all costs walked in...right? Why didn't the goo do anything to David? Because he doesn't have a conscience...there is nothing there for the goo to get an idea as to what to create...life or death.
Somebody is going to point out that Scott said something to the tune of "you might think they (Engineers) created them, you'd be wrong"....but what he's saying there doesn't mean it's David. Did he modify them? I guess we'll see... but he didn't "create" them, if that's the case then there is a guy roaming around named Deacon that would like to have a word. There is also this other thing that was chasing the Engineers and wiping them out two thousand years ago....did we forget about that? It was around the time we did something to a guy that looked eerily similar to the other mural that was facing the evil one...remember him, the dude who also believed in sacrifice for the greater good? Wonder where he got that from lol.
One thing I hate is when a new movie comes out and makes the one before it completely irrelevant. Like Alien 3, it was an entertaining movie, but the reason it sucked was because in the first couple of minutes, the whole reason we cheered for Ripley to make it out alive with Newt was washed away by killing her for no damn reason. It made Aliens into a waste of time...what was all that trouble for? If David is the creator and everything, then Prometheus will become the second pointless movie in the franchise. Did he really shift completely away from the whole point he was trying to make with the black goo in Prometheus? Seems like it from what I'm reading here....as a matter of fact it seems like the whole discussion on what this movie is about is completely ignoring what Prometheus was all about....and it doesn't fit.
Consider this, guys - David might not be acting out of free will.
The Juggernaut is, essentially, a military ship, and I'm certain the Engineer "software" powering their computers could have an advanced enough defense system. What if David, while tampering with the Engineer computers while Shaw was asleep, triggered some sort of defense mechanism that lead to both David's software being corrupt, or possibly infected into taking control over him, and, possibly, infecting Shaw with the pathogen in her stasis chamber, thus morphing her into the abomination we've seen in the concept art?
Just an idea.
Just thinking this through (or at least trying to)...
David and Shaw take off in the alien ship, Shaw goes into hyper sleep and they arrive at the planet. David's appearance hasn't changed...
The events of Covenant take place 10 years after the events of Prometheus (if I remember right?). Crew finds David with long hair as per Empire photo...
Something about the timeline doesn't seem right. Either they got to paradise really quick (so why did Shaw need hyper sleep) or David had a hair cut on the alien ship or I'm talking s**t. Could be any.
Either way, can some explain the timeline for my simple brain? Not hating by the way, just curious.
Quote from: Bonus Situation on Apr 28, 2017, 11:14:25 AM
Just thinking this through (or at least trying to)...
David and Shaw take off in the alien ship, Shaw goes into hyper sleep and they arrive at the planet. David's appearance hasn't changed...
The events of Covenant take place 10 years after the events of Prometheus (if I remember right?). Crew finds David with long hair as per Empire photo...
Something about the timeline doesn't seem right. Either they got to paradise really quick (so why did Shaw need hyper sleep) or David had a hair cut on the alien ship or I'm talking s**t. Could be any.
Either way, can some explain the timeline for my simple brain? Not hating by the way, just curious.
Perhaps David really didn't know how *long* it would take to get there? so he put Shaw in hyper sleep (lack of food maybe?)
Or he knew it would take a few hours but lied to Shaw?
Since the arrival ? David has been on there for 10 years (hence long hair)
Shaw asks how long and David replies that it's impossible to say, then he gets her into that engineer hypersleep bed. The shot from her perspective that showed David through the "glass" of the door closing seemed ominous.
Quote from: AbazZova on Apr 28, 2017, 09:37:46 AM
I wonder what David learned to unleash such suffering on the Engineers. Certainly he would have considered that over 2000 years they may have changed, perhaps improved from what they once were, or whatever it was he disapproved of, if he disapproved or even cares. It could all just be another experiment to see what will happen on a global scale.
I think a clue might be David's comment to Shaw "as long as they aren't worse" in response to her question "what if they aren't better than us"?
Quote from: Predaker on Apr 28, 2017, 12:22:50 PM
Shaw asks how long and David replies that it's impossible to say, then he gets her into that engineer hypersleep bed. The shot from her perspective that showed David through the "glass" of the door closing seemed ominous.
Yeah, I don't buy that. David's likely keeping information from Shaw. I believe there is "affection" there but David has an agenda.
Just watched the preview of the crew landing and the backburster scene.All I will say is that there's a fine line between horror and comedy,well for me atleast.
When Faris got her foot trapped between the door I couldn't help but find it all rather amusing,especially as the little Neomorph fella looks horrifically cute in the process.I'm pretty certain this wasn't R.Scott's intention ;)
Quote from: Pauli on Apr 28, 2017, 02:32:41 PM
Just watched the preview of the crew landing and the backburster scene.All I will say is that there's a fine line between horror and comedy,well for me atleast.
When Faris got her foot trapped between the door I couldn't help but find it all rather amusing,especially as the little Neomorph fella looks horrifically cute in the process.I'm pretty certain this wasn't R.Scott's intention ;)
On the contrary, I thought it was supposed to be a little funny. They do the slipping on blood pratfall twice in the same sequence, even. Prometheus had a macabre sense of humor, too, and I'm glad that element has carried over.
It's all coming along rather nicely.
Loved The Crossing prologue.
I do agree that David did know exactly how long it would take to get to the Homeworld (he can speak their language, pilot their ships etc so he can study their data & info aboard the Juggernaut) but I wonder if he doesn't wake Shaw to protect her, or indeed she is ill and he knows it, and his motive for the film is to try and either cure Shaw or gain bloody revenge for what the Engineers have done or would have done to humanity (even though it was he who infected Holloway).
Or as someone else mentioned, David could be telling is story from his point of view.
I tend to think Shaw is alive in the movie just because they are actually showing us clues she's dead (the dog tags etc) and I think they will want to surprise us.
Maybe Shaw escapes on to the Covenant at the climax or more likely she sacrifices herself in order to let the Covenant crew escape Paradise.
Intriguing.
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Quote from: Pauli on Apr 28, 2017, 02:32:41 PM
Just watched the preview of the crew landing and the backburster scene.All I will say is that there's a fine line between horror and comedy,well for me atleast.
When Faris got her foot trapped between the door I couldn't help but find it all rather amusing,especially as the little Neomorph fella looks horrifically cute in the process.I'm pretty certain this wasn't R.Scott's intention ;)
On the contrary, I thought it was supposed to be a little funny. They do the slipping on blood pratfall twice in the same sequence, even. Prometheus had a macabre sense of humor, too, and I'm glad that element has carried over.
I haven't seen the backburster sequence but macabre sense of humour is a constant throughout all the Alien films.
Watching that scene and this is the one thing that instantly sprung to mind.
QuoteOr as someone else mentioned, David could be telling is story from his point of view.
It is a possibility - an unreliable narrator.
But actually I think it's more interesting to have a complex David character, who would truly have some positive relationship with Shaw : it's more stimulating.
I'll be very interested to see what Shaw's status as I'm clinging to the idea her "awakening " will be covered in the next film.
lol Shaw is done.
Quote from: BishopShouldGo on Apr 28, 2017, 04:23:04 PM
lol Shaw is done.
Yeah, probably. Seems like a shame though. Hope she gets some kind of moment in the sun in Covenant. ...
I still want to see david gigerfy her
Quote from: Ragonk_Force on Apr 28, 2017, 04:36:59 PM
I still want to see david gigerfy her
xDDD You cruel cruel men :D
I assuming she dies in the crash while in cryo-sleep? Ridley has now resorted to Alien 3 tactics!
I'm kidding of course, but I really can't figure out what's happened to her.
Well, according to the leaks
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David experimented on her. So I assume she dies because of that, somehow.
Which is a bit confusing, since he genuinely seemed to like Shaw in this clip. But perhaps he was lying.
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Quote from: cliffhanger on Apr 28, 2017, 10:12:50 AM
You could thus argue that the citizens on the planet have been left 'behind' for 2000 years.
But still have working technology that supports a 2000 year old ships arrival... via docking procedures ? :-\
These *engineers* seem devolved but still have older tech circa 2000 years old perhaps?
dude did you even see prometheus? i mean for real dude, they just activated a ship that was 2000 years old,
they woke up a engineer that was sleeping for 2000 years, and they decided to also activate another 2000 year old ship.
is that even an honest question there because i can't begin to grasp how on earth that wouldn't be a problem but on another planet,
it would? for real.
I'm curious if anyone has a good or reasonable theory as to how the Juggernaught (sp.) that we see Shaw and David in ends up crashing on the planet?
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In the video release on Alien Day we saw David dock the Juggernaught with the Scorpionaught so it seems that it's safely docked at the time that David unleashes the accelerant on the Engineer's homeworld to annihilate them so it seems the Juggernaught is safely secured to the Scorpionaught while David unleashes his volley. I recall some vague guesses by other members in the forum about the Juggernaught crashing, but I can't recall since we saw the new bridge video if anyone had more details about how it might have crashed. I checked the information again the 4chan leak/spoiler information, but I didn't see any explanation as to how or why David and Shaw's Juggernaught crashed. Any guesses or does someone actually have verified details why the Juggernaught might have crashed.
Quote from: Evanus on Apr 28, 2017, 06:31:44 PM
Well, according to the leaks Spoiler
David experimented on her. So I assume she dies because of that, somehow.
Which is a bit confusing, since he genuinely seemed to like Shaw in this clip. But perhaps he was lying.
Maybe David takes advantage of a bad situation (i.e. Shaw has side effects from her experiences in Prometheus or gets exposed to the black goo)?
Quote from: Evanus on Apr 28, 2017, 06:31:44 PM
Well, according to the leaks Spoiler
David experimented on her. So I assume she dies because of that, somehow.
Which is a bit confusing, since he genuinely seemed to like Shaw in this clip. But perhaps he was lying.
Yeah, that doesn't make sense at all. They could've shot that but then changed it during the test screening process.
I suspect Shaw has a bigger involvement than we think... even if not in person...
Quote from: Evanus on Apr 28, 2017, 06:31:44 PM
Well, according to the leaks Spoiler
David experimented on her. So I assume she dies because of that, somehow.
Which is a bit confusing, since he genuinely seemed to like Shaw in this clip. But perhaps he was lying.
Since David is narrating the prologue, I suspect he's an unreliable narrator...
So I hear this will not be in the movie??? Then what is the point in releasing it? What is the point in cutting it off before you officially see David release the black goo on the Engineers down below? What is the point in having shots of Engineers with upset looks on their face?
Also don't forget David has loyalty to only one person. Peter Weyland. David purposely infected Holloway in Prometheus, which ended up killing him. David is not to be trusted at all, and would kill Shaw in a new york minute.
Also, I think the robe that David's wearing is Shaw's. I thought it was an Engineer robe (and it still could be),
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but why would David wear her robe if he killed her?
Quote from: Richman678 on Apr 28, 2017, 10:08:44 PM
So I hear this will not be in the movie??? Then what is the point in releasing it? What is the point in cutting it off before you officially see David release the black goo on the Engineers down below? What is the point in having shots of Engineers with upset looks on their face?
Also don't forget David has loyalty to only one person. Peter Weyland. David purposely infected Holloway in Prometheus, which ended up killing him. David is not to be trusted at all, and would kill Shaw in a new york minute.
This prologue with Shaw won't be in the film, but the bombing scene probably will be.
Quote from: Richman678 on Apr 28, 2017, 10:08:44 PM
So I hear this will not be in the movie??? Then what is the point in releasing it? What is the point in cutting it off before you officially see David release the black goo on the Engineers down below? What is the point in having shots of Engineers with upset looks on their face?
Also don't forget David has loyalty to only one person. Peter Weyland. David purposely infected Holloway in Prometheus, which ended up killing him. David is not to be trusted at all, and would kill Shaw in a new york minute.
Yeah, but Weyland is dead. And I'm pretty sure David always wanted to be free. Now he is.
You can see shaws dog tags dangling above her in the prologue 0:28 but the question is, did she put them back on?
Could the part where David walks into the darkness of the ship be a metaphor for him going mad?
I am thankful for fox and Sir Scott , for giving us a lot images and the prologue , but at the same time not giving away the actual plot..
Quote from: LV-12986 on Apr 29, 2017, 12:01:56 AM
You can see shaws dog tags dangling above her in the prologue 0:28 but the question is, did she put them back on?
No, because she's still wearing her cross. Continuity preserved.
The debate can finally be put to rest now, but the question is where the dog tags come from and how did they end up where they ended up?
That cross! Gah!!!1!
David takes it off Shaw while she's in the med bay. Later, Shaw asks David "Where's my cross?"
David replies "It was in the top draw of the desk in the medical bay when the Prometheus exploded but now it's in my pocket."
-Windebieste.
So, he might have taken it out of the draw and put it in his pocket.
That's not plot convenience, though. I totally buy David having Shaw's cross on his synthetic. David had always been curious of Shaw. He invaded her dreams, and most definitely developed a strange affinity for her as further proved by "The Crossing" prologue. He was intrigued by her beliefs and the continuation of those beliefs even after everything that happened to her.
It could also be seen as a metaphor for Shaw literally being robbed of her faith and innocence. "I'll need to take this - it may be contaminated." While no longer in possession of her cross, she learns that she's pregnant with the Devil/Dragon/Snake at the hands of David. She was tainted and David caused it.
I wonder if she asked him for her lipstick, purse or bra, if David would have pulled them out of his pockets, too.
I can just see Shaw standing there, demanding David hand everything back. lol. "By the way David, what else do you have in your pocketses? A ring of invisibility will be handy."
-Windebieste.
Quote from: Predaker on Apr 28, 2017, 11:04:14 PM
This prologue with Shaw won't be in the film, but the bombing scene probably will be.
Which baffles me, because there's a lot of people, even some I know personally, that still wonder if this is a sequel to Prometheus or not. I'm sure leaving the little prologue part in the movie would help rather than hinder in that case. But I guess we'll find out what happens to Shaw anyway (hopefully!), so whatever, I guess.
My guess : it's a decision from the studio and maybe also from Scott himself, a middle ground situation. It's of course a sequel of Prometheus, but for commercial and artistic reasons, it seems that they've chosen to moderate this aspect. It's in line with the fact the movie is entitled Alien Covenant and not Covenant alone. Of course, David is present and will play a role (we don't know exactly what happened to Shaw).
For my part I would have no problem with having the content of these two minutes in the movie itself : David can narrate it to the Covenant crew when they meet and thus, if the scene of the bombing happens at the beginning of the movie (after a scene of the "birth" of David with Weyland ?), the spectator can make the connection then (at the middle of the movie).
Eventually, it's embarrassing. It's a good clip, with elements of awe, it's sad for it to be an extra.
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Quote from: Predaker on Apr 28, 2017, 11:04:14 PM
This prologue with Shaw won't be in the film, but the bombing scene probably will be.
Which baffles me, because there's a lot of people, even some I know personally, that still wonder if this is a sequel to Prometheus or not. I'm sure leaving the little prologue part in the movie would help rather than hinder in that case. But I guess we'll find out what happens to Shaw anyway (hopefully!), so whatever, I guess.
I think if someone--particularly a fan of
Prometheus--is paying attention to any of the trailers or any of the marketing, it's clear this is a sequel to
Prometheus and a prequel to
Alien. And I think the casual viewer who doesn't remember
Prometheus, or didn't see it, or is just excited about a new, high quality
Alien film will flock to see this opening night.
Releasing the prologue to the public a month prior to the film's release is smart because it caters to both groups: those of us who want more
Prometheus and more Shaw get to see what happened in the aftermath, and those who don't realize it's continuing the
Prometheus storyline will be reminded and prepared. Ultimately having David prominently in the film continues the narrative either way and most who go see
Covenant will remember him (and recognize Fassbender as Walter), but I think this prologue eases the blow of the diminished role/fate of Shaw without having to shoehorn a flashback that's too explicit or start the film off directly at the end of
Prometheus, which is something they could have done but Ridley opted for a Weyland/David moment instead.
Quote from: windebieste on Apr 29, 2017, 08:29:05 AM
I wonder if she asked him for her lipstick, purse or bra, if David would have pulled them out of his pockets, too.
I can just see Shaw standing there, demanding David hand everything back. lol. "By the way David, what else do you have in your pocketses? A ring of invisibility will be handy."
-Windebieste.
Reminds me of that old Parker & Lady Penelope joke!
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Alien Covenant 10 preview has it's positives and negatives, this however is pure jokes. I don't get why people get pumped by this clip, it's a travesty.
Quote from: reecebomb on Apr 30, 2017, 11:28:08 PM
Alien Covenant 10 preview has it's positives and negatives, this however is pure jokes. I don't get why people get pumped by this clip, it's a travesty.
People are allowed to enjoy what they want, who are you to say otherwise?
Quote from: reecebomb on Apr 30, 2017, 11:28:08 PM
Alien Covenant 10 preview has it's positives and negatives, this however is pure jokes. I don't get why people get pumped by this clip, it's a travesty.
Nice avatar.
Quote from: reecebomb on Apr 30, 2017, 11:28:08 PM
Alien Covenant 10 preview has it's positives and negatives, this however is pure jokes. I don't get why people get pumped by this clip, it's a travesty.
In what way?
Quote from: reecebomb on Apr 30, 2017, 11:28:08 PM
Alien Covenant 10 preview has it's positives and negatives, this however is pure jokes. I don't get why people get pumped by this clip, it's a travesty.
can we just totally start ignoring this blatant and obvious troll?
Quote from: cliffhanger on May 01, 2017, 07:49:03 AM
Quote from: reecebomb on Apr 30, 2017, 11:28:08 PM
Alien Covenant 10 preview has it's positives and negatives, this however is pure jokes. I don't get why people get pumped by this clip, it's a travesty.
can we just totally start ignoring this blatant and obvious troll?
Agree.
Agree.
Cliffhanger, Ingwar and few others - you remind of the guys who used to call anyone who dared to criticize Colonial Marines a troll, hater... before the game was released, while it was obvious somethings was not right with it for some time before release. Some of them were defending it even after it was released. So are you a blind fanboy who can't take criticism and acts like if someone criticized his/her dear husband/wife?
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Quote from: reecebomb on Apr 30, 2017, 11:28:08 PM
Alien Covenant 10 preview has it's positives and negatives, this however is pure jokes. I don't get why people get pumped by this clip, it's a travesty.
In what way?
I'll get back to it later, tight schedual today.
There's very little to critisise in the clips. Wait until the films out.
ignore mode on
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Quote from: reecebomb on May 01, 2017, 09:34:29 AM
Cliffhanger, Ingwar and few others - you remind of the guys who used to call anyone who dared to criticize Colonial Marines a troll, hater... before the game was released, while it was obvious somethings was not right with it for some time before release. Some of them were defending it even after it was released. So are you a blind fanboy who can't take criticism and acts like if someone criticized his/her dear husband/wife?
there, much better.
Quote from: cliffhanger on May 01, 2017, 05:30:22 PM
ignore mode on
Spoiler
Quote from: reecebomb on May 01, 2017, 09:34:29 AM
Cliffhanger, Ingwar and few others - you remind of the guys who used to call anyone who dared to criticize Colonial Marines a troll, hater... before the game was released, while it was obvious somethings was not right with it for some time before release. Some of them were defending it even after it was released. So are you a blind fanboy who can't take criticism and acts like if someone criticized his/her dear husband/wife?
there, much better.
It's not like you were paying attention before, silly fanboy.
That's enough from you. Please enjoy a 7 day sojourn from AvP Galaxy. If you're incapable of interacting with your fellow fans in a mature manner after that, we'll make it a permanent break.
Back to the actual footage. I am thoroughly hyped up and excited by the positive feedback.
Just look at the poll alone; 138 votes, 8 thought it was 'meh' and a whopping 130 think it's awesome, that's 94.2 % as mentioned above.
so 94% that saw the footage think it's awesome, DESPITE the footage being very low in resolution to view, another viewer's silhouette blocking the view,
and being merely 2 parts of the movie alltogether.
Hello guys!!
Could you write here what David says just at the end of the prologue?
Im spanish and have some doubts....He talks faster than I can undestand!!!
Thank you very much!!!
Quote from: Albert78 on May 01, 2017, 07:58:16 PM
Hello guys!!
Could you write here what David says just at the end of the prologue?
Im spanish and have some doubts....He talks faster than I can undestand!!!
Thank you very much!!!
"Look on my Works, ye Mighty, and despair"
its fromPercy Bysshe Shelley from "Ozymandias"
There is a spanish version:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fAPKi4mkA3M&t=24s
Thank you guys for your quick answers!!!
Egyptian influence?
Greeaaat!!!!!
It's been hard avoiding the clip... but I will persevere! Happy to see fans are excited, though. We can be the pickiest and most unforgiving lot sometimes.
Quote from: Valaquen on May 01, 2017, 10:23:48 PM
It's been hard avoiding the clip... but I will persevere!
If you don't mind me asking... why are you avoiding the clip? It has been made to be watched before the movie's release as a bridge between Prometheus and Covenant and most of it won't actually be in the movie.
Hold on a moment. Let's cast our minds back to last year and that early leak of pompeii-esque still image...
In that scene on the steps, human-like shapes are seen battling what looks like Xenos. So wouldn't that mean Xenos were already on the planet BEFORE the arrival of the engineer ship and release of urn-bombs?
Otherwise it would seem a little too instantaneous for the release of the goo bombs to kickstart an evolution of xenos, and moments later wipe evrerything out, including the petrified remains of the xenos.
And in any case... How come the planet civilization has no sophisticated air traffic control system or ground to air defence capabilities? Surely it can't be as simple as David rocking up to their planet uninvited in order to trojan horse the heck out of everything.(Yes, its possible David could master their language and flute, but to a foolproof level?)
Unless... The engineers are so busy battling the Xenos, they don't have time to manually intercept the arriving ship. So the scorpion tail manages to finally go into auto-defence mode after the release of the goo bombs, eventually flnging the engineer ship aside to send it crashing and embedding itself precariously into the side of a hill.
Assuming the scorpion tail is a docking device, there has to be more than just last minute dock and go. What about comms systems and foolproof handshakes designed to intercept objects before they even reach planetary orbit, never mind the surface?
I'm just having a last-minute panic that the movie pulls a Prometheus - lots of breathtaking imagery and design, but beneath the surface very little makes sense.
They weren't xenos.
The Accelerant was probably turning some of them in Fifield like monsters, yes?
Quote from: Necronomicon II on May 02, 2017, 04:21:05 AM
They weren't xenos.
What was the "thing" with the spindly legs at the top left of the steps then?
Why bother buliding a citadel unless you are protecting yourself from something and keeping it on the other side of the walls?
Something akin to the form of a xeno, I suspect, just like the original idea of the mutated Fifield where he turns into something xeno-esque, it's the effects of the pathogen.
I can't believe there were no other life forms on that lush planet - only the civilization and plant life.
There may have been before the goo apocalypse ha.
I still think the need to even erect a citadel is telling. Could they have been living alongside "something(s)" they needed to protect themselves from?
Quote from: motherfather on May 02, 2017, 05:26:45 AM
Quote from: Necronomicon II on May 02, 2017, 04:21:05 AM
They weren't xenos.
What was the "thing" with the spindly legs at the top left of the steps then?
Why bother buliding a citadel unless you are protecting yourself from something and keeping it on the other side of the walls?
That was nothing more than multiple Engineers seen from that angle.
Ther is another pic of that same area seen from the side and you can see it's just Engineer bodies.
Quote from: motherfather on May 02, 2017, 05:49:51 AM
I still think the need to even erect a citadel is telling. Could they have been living alongside "something(s)" they needed to protect themselves from?
Dude you are looking too much into this,its just city with walls,just like we people were building ours.There was life but after David attack no anymore,and no Xenos,how they were created will be the point of this movie,he will from what we know create them,he is doing experiments on this planet.They will nor just randomly pop out from David attack xD.
I know I might be grasping at straws, but the mural in prometheus did seem to be pointing to a xeno-like creature that the engineers seemed to be in servitude/worship of.
Yes it could be the ultimate pure form of something they created from scratch. But it could also be something they found already existing and either worshipped "as is", or they optmized it via distilling its dna.
I guess I"m just in love with the idea that the xenos (maybe less lethal / more mortal) existed in some natural form until they were "supersized". That to me would be much more palatable than David having any hand in things or solving a puzzle the engineers couldn't capably manage on their own.
Heck even combining 2 existing species one with 4 limbs and a tail, and one with egg-laying abilities would be better in my mind than "a magic black goo did it all - with the help of David" explanation.
Quote from: motherfather on May 02, 2017, 07:43:46 AM
I know I might be grasping at straws, but the mural in prometheus did seem to be pointing to a xeno-like creature that the engineers seemed to be in servitude/worship of.
Yes it could be the ultimate pure form of something they created from scratch. But it could also be something they found already existing and either worshipped "as is", or they optmized it via distilling its dna.
I guess I"m just in love with the idea that the xenos (maybe less lethal / more mortal) existed in some natural form until they were "supersized". That to me would be much more palatable than David having any hand in things or solving a puzzle the engineers couldn't capably manage on their own.
Heck even combining 2 existing species one with 4 limbs and a tail, and one with egg-laying abilities would be better in my mind than "a magic black goo did it all".
The creature on the mural was Deacon :).In this movie though we see that Alien have more organic look,so yeah maybe David created this by his own,or there was recipe that he discovered and created this Alien and he will upgrade it to have biomechanical classic look we know.
Time will tell :).
I'm not sure if this has been discussed, if it has please forgive the duplication.
Question is, remember the opening scene in promehteus, the engineer sacrifices himself and as a result a new DNA/life is formed. We all tought that planet was earth. Could that planet be the one in Covenant, paradise ??...sure has the same atmosphere !
I don't think its the same planet. Besides, these covenant munchkin engineers have shrunk again in size. Probably by covenant movie 2, the engineers will be the size of lilliputians and we can all go off galavanting on some gullivers travels in space adventure.
BUT, there is that black/charred spore pod floating up to the covenant crew's ear in the first trailer which seems to be the same color as the dissolving engineer in Prometheus.
Which brings me to another point. The Prometheus engineer dissolved, yet the pompeii covenant engineers don't dissolve but petrify. Unless there are 2 strains of goo - liquid to react with solvents like water, and black gas when airborne/spore particles.
I'm sure you have all discussed this -- but even if David drops all the ampules and all the Engineers on Paradise die etc --- wouldn't there be some of them manning the docking station that would survive?
Quote from: motherfather on May 02, 2017, 03:05:08 PM
I don't think its the same planet. Besides, these covenant munchkin engineers have shrunk again in size. Probably by covenant movie 2, the engineers will be the size of lilliputians and we can all go off galavanting on some gullivers travels in space adventure.
BUT, there is that black/charred spore pod floating up to the covenant crew's ear in the first trailer which seems to be the same color as the dissolving engineer in Prometheus.
Which brings me to another point. The Prometheus engineer dissolved, yet the pompeii covenant engineers don't dissolve but petrify. Unless there are 2 strains of goo - liquid to react with solvents like water, and black gas when airborne/spore particles.
Dude you have NOTHING to compare if those Engineers are smaller lol.And spore have color as black goo because David infected entire planet with black goo....Did you even watched trailers ? or read stuff here?
The black goo is basically a MacGuffin. It becomes whatever is needed to advance the plot as it can both create and destroy depending on who is wielding it and to what effect. It seems to be programmable.
Quote from: rabidranger on May 02, 2017, 05:19:28 PM
The black goo is basically a MacGuffin. It becomes whatever is needed to advance the plot as it can both create and destroy depending on who is wielding it and to what effect. It seems to be programmable.
Hoping we will learn more about black goo in this movie.
This prologue is hilarious; way to completely ditch the entire premise for your sequel with an 80 second hand wave. Oh look, she's reattached his head, isn't she
kind! Oh look, they're buddies now! How
sweet! Oh look, she's going to sleep.
BYE! ::)
Quote from: Adorianu on May 02, 2017, 04:32:56 PMDavid infected entire planet with black goo
He bombed a small city in a valley - not an entire planet. And don't say that the goo spreads. We don't know that. The spores are encountered near the crashed Juggernaut.
They were not exactly bitter enemies when we left them. Not in the final cut. Shaw and David were not fast friends but they had a tacit understanding of each other. That's what I found far more interesting at the end of the last movie, that tenuous relationship where she didn't just have venom for him but seemed to tolerate and accept him while firmly keeping him in line.
We also have absolutely no way of knowing how fast and far David's payload on the planet spreads; we have no metric for that. This imaginary black goo in this fictional sci-fi movie does not have a quantifiable measurement. We also don't know whether he deliberately seeded the rest of the environs.
Quote from: ChrisPachi on May 03, 2017, 12:11:59 AM
This prologue is hilarious; way to completely ditch the entire premise for your sequel with an 80 second hand wave. Oh look, she's reattached his head, isn't she kind! Oh look, they're buddies now! How sweet! Oh look, she's going to sleep. BYE! ::)
Quote from: Adorianu on May 02, 2017, 04:32:56 PMDavid infected entire planet with black goo
He bombed a small city in a valley - not an entire planet. And don't say that the goo spreads. We don't know that. The spores are encountered near the crashed Juggernaut.
She hated him, but understood she needed him to get to Paradise. Which explains why she would reattach his head. So he could pilot the ship, like she asked him to.
Quote from: motherfather on May 02, 2017, 03:05:08 PM
I don't think its the same planet. Besides, these covenant munchkin engineers have shrunk again in size. Probably by covenant movie 2, the engineers will be the size of lilliputians and we can all go off galavanting on some gullivers travels in space adventure.
I have to disagree with you. Those guys on paradise are not engineers. They are the offspring of the Blue guys that are the engineers, just like they offspringed us sacrificing themselves by drinking the goo. The engineers have probably done this process thru out the galaxy.Those people on paradise,if you look closely to the released photos show a resemblence to the engineers, quite rightly so, because they carry the same DNA. Thats why they worship them.Gods to them.They created them just like us. Coming back to the opening scene in Prometheus I belive the seeding done was not earth but Paradise.
Now the million dollar question is, why on earth did David bomb those guys??!!
Quote from: palerider on May 03, 2017, 06:35:27 AM
Quote from: motherfather on May 02, 2017, 03:05:08 PM
I don't think its the same planet. Besides, these covenant munchkin engineers have shrunk again in size. Probably by covenant movie 2, the engineers will be the size of lilliputians and we can all go off galavanting on some gullivers travels in space adventure.
I have to disagree with you. Those guys on paradise are not engineers. They are the offspring of the Blue guys that are the engineers, just like they offspringed us sacrificing themselves by drinking the goo. The engineers have probably done this process thru out the galaxy.Those people on paradise,if you look closely to the released photos show a resemblence to the engineers, quite rightly so, because they carry the same DNA. Thats why they worship them.Gods to them.They created them just like us. Coming back to the opening scene in Prometheus I belive the seeding done was not earth but Paradise.
Now the million dollar question is, why on earth did David bomb those guys??!!
Because he perceives them as engineers, which they highly likely are. There's been nothing released that should lead use to believe that they are anything but.
Quote from: palerider on May 03, 2017, 06:35:27 AM
Quote from: motherfather on May 02, 2017, 03:05:08 PM
I don't think its the same planet. Besides, these covenant munchkin engineers have shrunk again in size. Probably by covenant movie 2, the engineers will be the size of lilliputians and we can all go off galavanting on some gullivers travels in space adventure.
I have to disagree with you. Those guys on paradise are not engineers. They are the offspring of the Blue guys that are the engineers, just like they offspringed us sacrificing themselves by drinking the goo. The engineers have probably done this process thru out the galaxy.Those people on paradise,if you look closely to the released photos show a resemblence to the engineers, quite rightly so, because they carry the same DNA. Thats why they worship them.Gods to them.They created them just like us. Coming back to the opening scene in Prometheus I belive the seeding done was not earth but Paradise.
Now the million dollar question is, why on earth did David bomb those guys??!!
No,they are Engineers,check here:
http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=57141.0
Then who are the Blue guys ???
who is blue?
Quote from: cliffhanger on May 03, 2017, 08:23:48 AM
who is blue?
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.scified.com%2Ftopics%2F3172711139087145.jpg&hash=56d04bed48fdc4f155c27cd702fcb6b2a9f2e4c9)
He just looks blue because of the lighting in that pic.
Here: (https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcdn.collider.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2017%2F02%2Fprometheus-engineer-alien-covenant-slice-600x200.png&hash=e025a57c9cff156a3f345bc7ca65b3a91d3f4178)
Doesn't look blue to me. ;)
Ahh you comedians....blue, white, grey, whatever...................then who are they ????
Quote from: palerider on May 03, 2017, 10:29:20 AM
Ahh you comedians....blue, white, grey, whatever...................then who are they ????
They're.. uh, engineers.
........then the folk oozed on by David are humanoids seeded by these engineers, a total different race just like us fullstop.
They're intended to be the Engineers, by all accounts. The crew referring to them as Deadgineers. The makeup difference is likely due to cost and effort of such a quick scene.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 03, 2017, 10:41:44 AM
................... The makeup difference is likely due to cost and effort of such a quick scene.
That makes sense..........but still , there is a chaphel in their city where they worship , murals, big giant sculptured heads which look exactly like themselves...isn't that odd??!!.....OR is there another being/God above these engineers ?..I belive when Shaw told Holloway that they found their maker.......Holloway replied "then who created them". It seems there is another deity that hopefully Ridley will reveal.
Quote from: palerider on May 03, 2017, 11:52:03 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 03, 2017, 10:41:44 AM
................... The makeup difference is likely due to cost and effort of such a quick scene.
That makes sense..........but still , there is a chaphel in their city where they worship , murals, big giant sculptured heads which look exactly like themselves...isn't that odd??!!.....OR is there another being/God above these engineers ?..I belive when Shaw told Holloway that they found their maker.......Holloway replied "then who created them". It seems there is another deity that hopefully Ridley will reveal.
The engineers on LV-223 also had a giant head sculpture. Ridley said they are like the apostles or wise men.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 03, 2017, 10:41:44 AM
They're intended to be the Engineers, by all accounts. The crew referring to them as Deadgineers. The makeup difference is likely due to cost and effort of such a quick scene.
I am sure they also made an executive decision in production design that they
might also look a bit different after 2,000 years. I doubt they were just uniformly comfortable not putting the same effort into the Engineer make up to save a few bucks.
Quote from: palerider on May 03, 2017, 11:52:03 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 03, 2017, 10:41:44 AM
................... The makeup difference is likely due to cost and effort of such a quick scene.
That makes sense..........but still , there is a chaphel in their city where they worship , murals, big giant sculptured heads which look exactly like themselves...isn't that odd??!!.....OR is there another being/God above these engineers ?..I belive when Shaw told Holloway that they found their maker.......Holloway replied "then who created them". It seems there is another deity that hopefully Ridley will reveal.
Why odd? we were and are building human statues as well...
Quote from: shawsbaby on May 03, 2017, 01:25:13 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 03, 2017, 10:41:44 AM
They're intended to be the Engineers, by all accounts. The crew referring to them as Deadgineers. The makeup difference is likely due to cost and effort of such a quick scene.
I am sure they also made an executive decision in production design that they might also look a bit different after 2,000 years. I doubt they were just uniformly comfortable not putting the same effort into the Engineer make up to save a few bucks.
The sacrificial engineer was potentially hundreds of millions of years before the incident on LV-223 and he wasn't made to be any different. They seem to be just fine not going through all the trouble of exactly replicating the
Prometheus engineers for a huge group of extras in what is a nonessential and likely split-second close up.
For all the fuss, they don't actually look terribly different. I think a lot of this comes from their funny expressions and how their faces aren't like greek statues.
The Engineer from Prometheus was 2000+ years old. My guess is these rubes from Covenant are the same race, different (less advanced) civilization. They probably look at the Prometheus dude as heroes. Aren't they cheering when David shows up? It's like Charles Lindbergh is landing.
Still think this is awesome? I thought it was laughable and a major sign that the film is not going to be any good. I wanted to be more specific why i thought it was so awful but got banned before i got the chance.
Now i seriously think that it's almost impossible to a depict a space travel in an alien spaceship (the legendary juggernaut no less) with a creepy android (who obviously has no good intentions based on it's previous behaviour) as your only companion in a more generic and unimaginative way. Prometheus was a flawed film but at least there was a possibilty to continue the story in interesting ways. There isn't even a hint of doubt or tension nor horror or drama. Just a banal montage of voice over exposition and a sequence of Shaw reattaching the head and drinking tea while using a f**king loupe on a actual paper map to find the engineers, give me break. Then we get to see how happy go lucky Shaw is using the alien ship control panel like some kid in a planetarium, ooh David drew a pretty picture and off to bed she goes. Did the surgery aborted her brain as well or did David put something in his tea, that made her behave like that. This isn't right. They could have at least made it interesting visually but no. The Nostromo is million times scarier than the actual alien spaceship, even Airbus is scarier than that. The whole thing feels like a fancy advert, which it really is. But don't tell me it takes place in the same universe as A L I E N 1979.