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Sorry I dont know how longer till we can freely use the term "Belly Buster"
Anyways as stated in my review I posted. I am very upset that they have screwed with the alien reproductive cycle yet again!
I'll admit the scene with 3 or 4 chestbursters coming out was cool looking.
But the true fans like myself have been pissed off since Paul screwed with the time length of it in the first movie (I dont care what you said in some interview you should have had it added in the film!)
Now we are forced to swallow this belly busting idea. So in a sense then in a colony of Predaliens There would be no Queen! I mean who needs it?
Only way someone can save this is if they show how the Predators reproduce obviously in the same way except the females actually give birth rather than dies when 3 or 4 baby predators jump out of her tummy!...also makes Danny Glover's comment "pussy face" even that much cooler! ...then it will make sense, and be pretty cool too!
What made Alien work was having Ash explain what was going on...And again in Aliens Bishop and Ripley discuss the Alien cycle so that the Queen dosn't appear to the audience as something dumb at the end. Even in Alien 3 Ripley talks about how she has never seen one like this before.
The reason I am so disapointed with both AVP movies is they took all the Science and Natural instincts that the first films had and just started throwing in ideas that would look cool on camera!
chime in if you like I'd like to hear your thoughts on this. However, if all you can type out is "No way l00ser thr33 chestbursters was FTW!!!! emirite kthx" Then go make another stupid Predalien vs Jaws thread.
I no way shape or form did the multiple bursting look cool, uhh uhh, i shit you not.
Why not have some egg morphing action going on, could explain why the original Alien had the clear skull etc and could egg morph, and that the predalien could to, that maybe they were both molding queens? But nooo, we get gut burster's and hardcore Predalien oral rape.
You can relate the predaliens reproductive method to the preds at all i mean look at a human born queen i mean that is so very closely related to humans... ::) U could argue the preds dominant genes but this alien was a molting queen i think in fact it looked like it was getting bigger since the first scene on the ship
I'll just repeat a previous post of mine.
Maybe the new method is a result of the Predator DNA.
Think about it. We have only seen Queens from humans. If the Alien takes the most beneficial characteristics from its host, then maybe a Queen takes characteristics of the Predator reproduction method (born in litters). These characteristics, blended with the Alien reproduction method, result in this new, more efficient reproduction method. Now this new method wouldn't exist if the Predalien were just a drone, as only Queens have reproductive organs. But since this one is a Queen, it used its host's reproduction method to it's advantage and created this new amalgamation.
If we are to believe the Alien is a truly adaptable organism, than maybe it's not to far-fetched to believe that female (Queen) Aliens can take characteristics of its host's reproduction when it would be advantageous to do so. Accept it or not, just a little thought.
Nice theory me likey. Though i'd prefer if they used the egg morphing, my first post to explain why. :-\
Yeah that theory seems pretty good to me too.
only argument is how do they get egg laying from humans? unless you mean that egg laying is a better way vs actually mating and have another baby (of coarse wheres the fun in that though?)
Just had to throw in the Jurassic park quote eh?
But meh, this film is considered cannon, so i have a feeling we shall be seeing more gut bursters and oral rape, for shame =( :'(
The Lost World is a good read... :)
Off topic yeah, it is. Though the first JP book is up there in my favourites, way better than what the movie turned out to be.
Back on to topic. =)
Why is it so hard to accept that it was just a young, undeveloped, queen's way of reproducing? It makes complete sense.
Quote from: ScarPredator16 on Dec 31, 2007, 06:55:36 AM
Why is it so hard to accept that it was just a young, undeveloped, queen's way of reproducing? It makes complete sense.
Audiencies did not get it though i had to explain it to my two brpthers who have seen all the other movies
Yeah they have to make the movie so everyone can come to grasp with whats going on.
Quote from: Richman678 on Dec 31, 2007, 06:35:02 AM
Yeah that theory seems pretty good to me too.
only argument is how do they get egg laying from humans? unless you mean that egg laying is a better way vs actually mating and have another baby (of coarse wheres the fun in that though?)
Egg laying is the natural way of reproducing. It wouldn't be advantageous to take our reproduction method over the normal egg laying method.
Quote from: ScarPredator16 on Dec 31, 2007, 06:55:36 AM
Why is it so hard to accept that it was just a young, undeveloped, queen's way of reproducing? It makes complete sense.
Egg morphing made more sense and looked way better than the f**king gut burster monstrosity's. >:(
I hate thinking that Predators reproduce with their mouths, I like to think that they reproduce like we do, but their dominant genes, gave the Predalien its own form of Sexual reproduction, took on some of the facehugger traits to compensate. or that this genetic fu<k up only happens to a molting queen. or only happens to a Predalien molting into a queen.
But the point is, we shouldnt have to waste our time trying to explain something that was put into place simply so FOX could save money. they should have stuck with something much less controversial as this, but I guess we are fans who have to make our little explainations even when the subject makes no sense.
Quote from: ScarPredator16 on Dec 31, 2007, 06:55:36 AM
Why is it so hard to accept that it was just a young, undeveloped, queen's way of reproducing? It makes complete sense.
exactly.
Quote from: marrerom on Dec 31, 2007, 07:05:21 AM
Quote from: ScarPredator16 on Dec 31, 2007, 06:55:36 AM
Why is it so hard to accept that it was just a young, undeveloped, queen's way of reproducing? It makes complete sense.
exactly.
because its already established that Queens are born queens, and besides the small crest, (predators have a slightly crested head also) there is no indication it is a molting queen, it only has two arms, and the hugger that got Scar was not a superfacehugger. Collin himself said the Alternate cuts of the films are canon, so people cant really argue the Queenfacehugger idea.
I do believe i remember the chestburster in alien 3 looking very queen like.
It doesn't really make complete sense, and here's my issue with it: If these young chestburster embyros can only be impanted into a female creature with a womb, um... yeah... that's just really, really weird. How would the aliens evolve a method of reproduction that depends on mammalian reproduction in order to function, especially when they are egg-layers? And, more importantly, they're ALIENS, and therefore how many freaking mammalian creatures could it really be encountering that would lead to such an adaption?! Weirder stlll when you consider that she specifically seems to target females that are already pregnant - even the waitress has a tiny bit of pudge and squeezes her stomach thoughtfully in one scene while thinking about her husband, which seems to indicate that she's pregnant too. That limits the options even further.
Quote from: Wraith on Dec 31, 2007, 07:00:33 AM
Quote from: ScarPredator16 on Dec 31, 2007, 06:55:36 AM
Why is it so hard to accept that it was just a young, undeveloped, queen's way of reproducing? It makes complete sense.
Egg morphing made more sense and looked way better than the f**king gut burster monstrosity's. >:(
egg morphing was so rediculess. It makes no sense at all. How exactly can someone get "morphed" into an egg (and eventually a facehugger)
Quote from: AdamJZ on Dec 31, 2007, 07:07:26 AM
Quote from: marrerom on Dec 31, 2007, 07:05:21 AM
Quote from: ScarPredator16 on Dec 31, 2007, 06:55:36 AM
Why is it so hard to accept that it was just a young, undeveloped, queen's way of reproducing? It makes complete sense.
exactly.
because its already established that Queens are born queens, and besides the small crest, (predators have a slightly crested head also) there is no indication it is a molting queen, it only has two arms, and the hugger that got Scar was not a superfacehugger. Collin himself said the Alternate cuts of the films are cannon, so people cant really argue the Queenfacehugger idea.
Yeah they can, because Colin doesn't get to decide what's canon in the earlier films and what isn't.
Quote from: AdamJZ on Dec 31, 2007, 07:07:26 AM
Quote from: marrerom on Dec 31, 2007, 07:05:21 AM
Quote from: ScarPredator16 on Dec 31, 2007, 06:55:36 AM
Why is it so hard to accept that it was just a young, undeveloped, queen's way of reproducing? It makes complete sense.
exactly.
because its already established that Queens are born queens, and besides the small crest, (predators have a slightly crested head also) there is no indication it is a molting queen, it only has two arms, and the hugger that got Scar was not a superfacehugger.
1)molting doesnt interfere with queens being born queens because aliens only molt when they have no supper facehuggers or queens present.
2)colin has stated its a young queen thing. its how they build up their army before they become incapacitated with the egg sac.
Quote from: Bishop2 on Dec 31, 2007, 07:08:58 AM
It doesn't really make complete sense, and here's my issue with it: If these young chestburster embyros can only be impanted into a female creature with a womb, um... yeah... that's just really, really weird. How would the aliens evolve a method of reproduction that depends on mammalian reproduction in order to function, especially when they are egg-layers? And, more importantly, they're ALIENS, and therefore how many freaking mammalian creatures could it really be encountering that would lead to such an adaption?! Weirder stlll when you consider that she specifically seems to target females that are already pregnant - even the waitress has a tiny bit of pudge and squeezes her stomach thoughtfully in one scene while thinking about her husband, which seems to indicate that she's pregnant too. That limits the options even further.
I kinda thought the Predalien implanted that homeless woman in the drain.
Quote from: AdamJZ on Dec 31, 2007, 07:12:27 AM
Quote from: Bishop2 on Dec 31, 2007, 07:08:58 AM
It doesn't really make complete sense, and here's my issue with it: If these young chestburster embyros can only be impanted into a female creature with a womb, um... yeah... that's just really, really weird. How would the aliens evolve a method of reproduction that depends on mammalian reproduction in order to function, especially when they are egg-layers? And, more importantly, they're ALIENS, and therefore how many freaking mammalian creatures could it really be encountering that would lead to such an adaption?! Weirder stlll when you consider that she specifically seems to target females that are already pregnant - even the waitress has a tiny bit of pudge and squeezes her stomach thoughtfully in one scene while thinking about her husband, which seems to indicate that she's pregnant too. That limits the options even further.
I kinda thought the Predalien implanted that homeless woman in the drain.
I think so. Although we have no way of knowing if she was pregnant or not.
Quote from: AdamJZ on Dec 31, 2007, 07:07:26 AM
Quote from: marrerom on Dec 31, 2007, 07:05:21 AM
Quote from: ScarPredator16 on Dec 31, 2007, 06:55:36 AM
Why is it so hard to accept that it was just a young, undeveloped, queen's way of reproducing? It makes complete sense.
exactly.
because its already established that Queens are born queens, and besides the small crest, (predators have a slightly crested head also) there is no indication it is a molting queen, it only has two arms, and the hugger that got Scar was not a superfacehugger. Collin himself said the Alternate cuts of the films are canon, so people cant really argue the Queenfacehugger idea.
When was this established queens go from chestbursters to giant sized queens? There has to be some sort of growth period inbetween.
And the facehugger problem is a good point, but I'll just give the filmmakers a break and mark it off as a continuity error.
we should put this question in the Ask Colin Strause thread maybe he can help it out.
Quote from: ScarPredator16 on Dec 31, 2007, 07:14:37 AM
Quote from: AdamJZ on Dec 31, 2007, 07:07:26 AM
Quote from: marrerom on Dec 31, 2007, 07:05:21 AM
Quote from: ScarPredator16 on Dec 31, 2007, 06:55:36 AM
Why is it so hard to accept that it was just a young, undeveloped, queen's way of reproducing? It makes complete sense.
exactly.
because its already established that Queens are born queens, and besides the small crest, (predators have a slightly crested head also) there is no indication it is a molting queen, it only has two arms, and the hugger that got Scar was not a superfacehugger. Collin himself said the Alternate cuts of the films are canon, so people cant really argue the Queenfacehugger idea.
When was this established queens go from chestbursters to giant sized queens? There has to be some sort of growth period inbetween.
And the facehugger problem is a good point, but I'll just give the filmmakers a break and mark it off as a continuity error.
In Alien 3 the burster is a queen chestburster, Ripley states this multiple times, and when you see it, you'll notice it has 4 tiny arms and a crest.
Quote from: Richman678 on Dec 31, 2007, 07:18:28 AM
we should put this question in the Ask Colin Strause thread maybe he can help it out.
The Ask Collin thread is locked for some reason.
also, the fact still stands, we shouldent have had to do all this explaining, they should not have messed with the established life cycle in the first place, FOX was just trying to save a few bucks by not having a Queen in the film.
Quote from: AdamJZ on Dec 31, 2007, 07:03:51 AM
I hate thinking that Predators reproduce with their mouths, I like to think that they reproduce like we do
And I couldn't agree anymore with you! I like to think that the Yautja reproduce in a way similar to we do, the Yautja males simply impregnate the female Yautja through intercourse. But the biological function of it would differe vastly different from the way humans do-- I recall a fan site where it had great theories on how the Yautja females would carry their young inside. It was ran by Kleeng Seerot, and he even had drawn diagrams on the site as well. The Yautja females would have a womb inside, but inside the womb wouldn't be fetuses but rather eggs, which had a soft membrane and inside the eggs would be the fetus. The womb would be large enough to support many Yautja children inside, hence an explaination as to why Yautja males would father many suckers from one or more Yautja females.
Concerning the PredAlien-- we know that Scar was indeed a male, but as with many Queens, regaurdless of the gender of the host, will always be female but it will take characteristics of the host. In the case of the PredAlien, it was a young queen... or dare I even say this... a Praetorian, in someways. As for the way it reproduced... perhaps it was carrying some small Alien eggs or zygote inside, and through it's odd morphology, the only way it was able to do that was in a manner similar to how sea horses place in their eggs into their male counter parts, but not exactly in the same way. When it would shove it's secondary jaws inside the hosts mouth, perhaps it would shove some sort of thick straw like oviposter (think of the organ Bees use their straw like mouth appendage to gather nector) to place the zygote into the host's mouth.
There maybe some contridictions in this theory but... this is me trying to explain something which has some mystery to it.
-Rakai'Thwei
honestly I think this just a huge hole in a story, cause the last couple of screen writers failed to actually pay attention to the prior movies and here we are bitching about it.
Just because the Predalien reproduced orally doesn't mean Predators do. Like I said, it could be an amalgamation of these methods. Perhaps Predators give birth in litters, explaining the multiple chestbursters.
Quote from: That Yellow Alien on Dec 31, 2007, 07:27:05 AM
Just because the Predalien reproduced orally doesn't mean Predators do. Like I said, it could be an amalgamation of these methods. Perhaps Predators give birth in litters, explaining the multiple chestbursters.
If this is the case though then you would have to question the actual species of the Alien. It would almost sound more like a disease if its going to instantly mutate in order to survive...and I like the idea of it staying as an actual species
*edit* bad grammar fixed now
The cursed & damed kiss
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I'm gonna be honest, I'm not against the idea of this. The problem is it's on a predalien. Like, the Predalien should be no different than the human alien.