Started by Mrengineer, Sep 06, 2020, 09:05:22 AM
Quote from: Samhain13 on Sep 06, 2020, 12:33:25 PMQuote from: Mrengineer on Sep 06, 2020, 09:05:22 AMThis has baffled me for years...did he retcon Prometheus?Kind of. During the making of Covenant I think he had another one of his brain farts and well that happened.
Quote from: Mrengineer on Sep 06, 2020, 09:05:22 AMThis has baffled me for years...did he retcon Prometheus?
Quote from: T Dog on Sep 06, 2020, 01:33:47 PMBecause he's old and doesn't know what the f**k he's doing story wise.
Quote from: Evanus on Sep 06, 2020, 03:59:34 PMI don't really agree - the black goo adds an extra layer of mysteriousness, if anything. Sure, it's a bit of a McGuffin, but I like how they kept it vague in the sense that we don't know where it came from and why it creates all these horrible xenomorph-esque creatures and mutations. I think they did it on purpose to keep the true origin a mystery.
Quote from: SM on Sep 06, 2020, 11:19:41 PMThe only things he 'retconned' - for lack of a better word - was the Jockey being a dead skeleton and the Derelict being very old. And since neither of those things are properly established on screen, they're open to being reinterpreted.
Quote from: SpaceKase on Sep 07, 2020, 02:05:15 AMQuote from: Samhain13 on Sep 06, 2020, 12:33:25 PMQuote from: Mrengineer on Sep 06, 2020, 09:05:22 AMThis has baffled me for years...did he retcon Prometheus?Kind of. During the making of Covenant I think he had another one of his brain farts and well that happened.Quote from: T Dog on Sep 06, 2020, 01:33:47 PMBecause he's old and doesn't know what the f**k he's doing story wise.This is a bit uncharitable. It isn't that his brain doesn't work, or that he is somehow inept as a filmmaker or story teller, he cares about creating thought provoking, visually stunning cinema, that's his art form. He works collaboratively with the fellow artists he gathers together for a production and he doesn't have the same slavish devotion or reverence for previous works that we have. His style is somewhat improvisational, subject to change on the whim of inspiration and if something is stunning visually he couldn't give a damn if it is incompatible with something that has come before. This is fundamentally different to the meticulously ordered style that Cameron has for example and its a style that allows a great deal of artistic freedom to the designers he employs. Look at the Seven Worlds shorts that he did for Hennessy. What is the story logic here? There isn't any, and there doesn't need to be, at least not in anyway that takes precedence over the visual storytelling and the feelings he's trying to evoke. His films relating to Alien, by necessity, need to have a bit more form, but he still operates primarily from a place of Art leading story, and not working within the boundaries established by anyone else's work or even in some cases his own. It's not that he doesn't know how to create a film, clearly he does, he just doesn't care about making films in the way some of us may like or want, he makes films the way he wants and the studio tries to rein him in for the purposes of their franchise.
Quote from: SM on Sep 07, 2020, 02:57:10 AMLV-426. Prior to the prequels everyone thought that the Jockey was the skeleton of some extraterrestrial, rather than a guy in a suit (because that's how it was written).There's 28 years between Prometheus and Alien.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Sep 06, 2020, 11:33:53 PMAre you at liberty to divulge whether or not they're at least aware that some of Ridley's decisions have been divisive or downright unpopular?
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Sep 07, 2020, 07:59:40 PMCan you imagine Disney hiring J.J Abrams to make the next Alien movie?